Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gazz on Feb 19, 2015, 12:27:30 AM
Post by: Gazz on Feb 19, 2015, 12:27:30 AM
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel)
UPDATE: Neill Blomkamp's ALIEN movie will take place AFTER the events of PROMETHEUS 2. Ridley Scott is producing BOTH
http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/ (http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/)
Prometheus Sequel is STILL happening.
QuoteDistrict 9 and Elysium helmer Neill Blomkamp made headlines last month when he posted a series of concept art designs for a new film in the 20th Century Fox's Alien franchise. Although the filmmaker admitted that the designs were unofficial, he hinted that he'd be more than happy to take on such a project. Today, Blomkamp posted a new image with a message that should make Alien franchise fans pretty happy!
"So I think it's officially my next film," he writes!
At this point it's uncertain precisely what route the new film will take or if Signourney Weaver (whose Ellen Ripley was featured in the concept designs) will be returning to the franchise.
"[Sigourney] knows about it," Blomkamp told ComingSoon.net last week, "and part of it was just inspired by speaking to her on set when we were filming 'Chappie,' and getting her thoughts on 'Alien' and what she thought of the movies that came after 'Aliens' and what she felt about Ripley and what was incomplete for her about Ripley. There was so much fuel in what she was telling me."
You can read more about Blomkamp's thoughts on the new project right here and check back for further information as soon as it becomes available!
Blomkamp's latest, Chappie, also stars Weaver and lands in theaters March 6!
UPDATE: Neill Blomkamp's ALIEN movie will take place AFTER the events of PROMETHEUS 2. Ridley Scott is producing BOTH
http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/ (http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/)
Prometheus Sequel is STILL happening.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 12:28:55 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 12:28:55 AM
So Alien V is happening...
Now all we need to know if it's going to continue where Resurrection left off.. or if it's going to be a retconning of Alien 3 and Resurrection.
Now all we need to know if it's going to continue where Resurrection left off.. or if it's going to be a retconning of Alien 3 and Resurrection.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: MudButt on Feb 19, 2015, 12:43:02 AM
Post by: MudButt on Feb 19, 2015, 12:43:02 AM
this is amazing news
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 19, 2015, 12:44:21 AM
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 19, 2015, 12:44:21 AM
Prometheus can kiss my little ass goodbye. Bring It on Blomkamp. Give us fans the Alien film we've been wanting for!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 12:49:04 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 12:49:04 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on Feb 19, 2015, 12:44:21 AM
Prometheus can kiss my little ass goodbye.
I'll laugh if Fox decides to stop the Prometheus sequel in favor for Alien V.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:49:19 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:49:19 AM
Excited to know we're getting a new Alien film and from someone with talent.
Still feeling cautious as I do not want a retcon as has been hinted out.
Can't wait to see more news.
I'd like to see both. With a Predator 4, a Prometheus 2 and an Alien 5 all we're missing now is a new AvP.
Still feeling cautious as I do not want a retcon as has been hinted out.
Can't wait to see more news.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 12:49:04 AMQuote from: Chronicle on Feb 19, 2015, 12:44:21 AM
Prometheus can kiss my little ass goodbye.
I'll laugh if Fox decides to stop the Prometheus sequel in favor for Alien V.
I'd like to see both. With a Predator 4, a Prometheus 2 and an Alien 5 all we're missing now is a new AvP.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 12:50:11 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 12:50:11 AM
Whoa! Consider me extremely intrigued by this news.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Samus007 on Feb 19, 2015, 12:50:14 AM
Post by: Samus007 on Feb 19, 2015, 12:50:14 AM
YES!!!! I am so excited right now! Woo!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 12:52:47 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 12:52:47 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:49:19 AM
Still feeling cautious as I do not want a retcon as has been hinted out.
Yeeeeeeaaaaaaaah... I'd be bummed out if it was a retcon. I'm hoping it's not.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 19, 2015, 12:58:41 AM
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 19, 2015, 12:58:41 AM
Very cool news! I hope it follows on from Resurrection, as I want to see more of that part of the universe.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gazz on Feb 19, 2015, 12:59:22 AM
Post by: Gazz on Feb 19, 2015, 12:59:22 AM
UPDATE: Neill Blomkamp's ALIEN movie will take place AFTER the events of PROMETHEUS 2. Ridley Scott is producing BOTH
http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/ (http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/)
http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/ (http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 19, 2015, 01:02:20 AM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 19, 2015, 01:02:20 AM
If it is Alien 5 then I can't see Michael Biehn coming back. Reviving Hicks would just make no sense. I'd say he pops up in the concept art because it was done 'just for fun' at that stage.
Great news though. I'd still like to see Prometheus 2.
Great news though. I'd still like to see Prometheus 2.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 01:03:57 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 01:03:57 AM
So it's going to be the Alien prequel then? Like.. THE Alien prequel which Prometheus was SUPPOSED to be?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:04:40 AM
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:04:40 AM
Quote from: Gazz on Feb 19, 2015, 12:59:22 AM
UPDATE: Neill Blomkamp's ALIEN movie will take place AFTER the events of PROMETHEUS 2. Ridley Scott is producing BOTH
http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/ (http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/)
ugh seriously....why
Can we please keep Ridley out of the picture? I'm acceptable of a Prometheus sequel but i'm sure as hell not happy if Blomkamp puts the same lore of prometheus into the film. I want Alien 5 to completley stray away from Ridley Scott's Prometheus and take place in the universe of the 4 Alien films or AT LEAST the first two.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:05:47 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:05:47 AM
Well, this being set post-Prometheus 2 is... odd. But something tells me that it'll be pretty standalone in its own right.
I still think bringing back Hicks is kind of dumb, but if it happens it happens. I don't really give a shit at this point. I'm just interested in seeing what Scott's take on this world looks like.
I still think bringing back Hicks is kind of dumb, but if it happens it happens. I don't really give a shit at this point. I'm just interested in seeing what Scott's take on this world looks like.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 01:07:20 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 01:07:20 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 01:03:57 AM
So it's going to be the Alien prequel then? Like.. THE Alien prequel which Prometheus was SUPPOSED to be?
I don't think it necessarily means directly after Prometheus 2. It's a given that the film takes place after the prequels.
Pleased to hear this isn't interfering with Prometheus 2.
In terms of taking lore from Prometheus into account...it'd probably just be the Engineers which we can't change. It's happened. That's what the Jockey's are now.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Wrecktangle on Feb 19, 2015, 01:08:51 AM
Post by: Wrecktangle on Feb 19, 2015, 01:08:51 AM
Sweet baby Jesus, yes!
The only film of his I have seen is District 9, but I have high hopes for Chappie. If his artwork is of any indication of what Alien V may, well colour me excited!
The only film of his I have seen is District 9, but I have high hopes for Chappie. If his artwork is of any indication of what Alien V may, well colour me excited!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 01:11:06 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 01:11:06 AM
I hope it won't be a retcon of Alien 3, wouldn't mind it retconning Resurrection though.
Nearly 20 years now, 18 to be exact since resurrection was 97 I think.
Nearly 20 years now, 18 to be exact since resurrection was 97 I think.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:12:20 AM
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:12:20 AM
Not happy about this at all >:(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Feb 19, 2015, 01:13:27 AM
Post by: T Dog on Feb 19, 2015, 01:13:27 AM
Calling it now I bet his film will link up somehow with Shaw and/or David after the events of Prometheus 2!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 01:13:43 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 01:13:43 AM
Excellent! now I wonder if Sharlto Copley will play a role in this film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 01:14:04 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 01:14:04 AM
Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:12:20 AM
Not happy about this at all >:(
Why?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:15:05 AM
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:15:05 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:05:47 AM
Well, this being set post-Prometheus 2 is... odd. But something tells me that it'll be pretty standalone in its own right.
I still think bringing back Hicks is kind of dumb, but if it happens it happens. I don't really give a shit at this point. I'm just interested in seeing what Scott's take on this world looks like.
Hicks I'm fine without being in the picture since its CLEARLY obvious he dies in Alien 3 but I think Blomkamp needs to finish up Ripley's story and at least wrap everything up. I'm tired of hearing about this Prometheus hype. Scott needs to get over himself and focus on his own films without intertwining his crap with other Director's. Ridley just move on man. Make Prometheus 2 your last 'Some-what Alien' movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 19, 2015, 01:16:45 AM
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 19, 2015, 01:16:45 AM
Quote from: Gazz on Feb 19, 2015, 12:59:22 AM
UPDATE: Neill Blomkamp's ALIEN movie will take place AFTER the events of PROMETHEUS 2. Ridley Scott is producing BOTH
http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/ (http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/)
Interesting. I'm looking forward to more details as things take shape. I wouldn't mind if it had some Prometheus elements, provided it still remained an Alien movie at its core.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:18:10 AM
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:18:10 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Feb 19, 2015, 01:16:45 AMQuote from: Gazz on Feb 19, 2015, 12:59:22 AM
UPDATE: Neill Blomkamp's ALIEN movie will take place AFTER the events of PROMETHEUS 2. Ridley Scott is producing BOTH
http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/ (http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/)
Interesting. I'm looking forward to more details as things take shape. I wouldn't mind if it had some Prometheus elements, provided it still remained an Alien more at its core.
THIS. A little Prometheus is fine but I want the ratio to be 95% Alien and 5% Prometheus.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 19, 2015, 01:21:47 AM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 19, 2015, 01:21:47 AM
I'll be frankly amazed if Michael Biehn is in this. There's just no conceivable way to bring him back and I can't imagine the character is popular enough to retcon Alien 3 instead of just moving forward with Alien 5. I think Hicks is in that concept art because it was just a cool what-if image done at a time when not even Blomkamp believed Fox would take any notice.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 01:26:14 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 01:26:14 AM
Worse than Prometheus? I doubt it. Furthermore, Ridley Scott is only producing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 01:30:36 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 01:30:36 AM
Oh well, at least Ridley Scott's involved. Gives it a bit more credence if it has loose ties to Prometheus.
Still more interested in Prometheus, all alien ideas seem pretty washed out. District 9 was ok but forgettable. Hope the Ripley and Hicks stuff is nonsense.
Still more interested in Prometheus, all alien ideas seem pretty washed out. District 9 was ok but forgettable. Hope the Ripley and Hicks stuff is nonsense.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:31:32 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:31:32 AM
I'd be content - happy, even - if the film didn't feature Ripley or Hicks and they were just placeholders in the concept art.
Sure, Blomkamp talked to Siggy about it while filming Chappie, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's involved.
Sure, Blomkamp talked to Siggy about it while filming Chappie, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's involved.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 19, 2015, 01:33:46 AM
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 19, 2015, 01:33:46 AM
We're getting both a Prometheus 2 AND an Alien sequel. I'm just gonna sit back and be optimistic. ;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 01:34:04 AM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 01:34:04 AM
YES!
And I think Blomkamp liked SOME of the ideas from Aliens Colonial Marines. That one with the Derelict having construction around it. Hicks. He might want to follow that story and bring back Hicks that way. Although idk how him and Ripley would meet again.
But yeah I think he keeps an eye on games. He gave props to Alien Isolation.
And I think Blomkamp liked SOME of the ideas from Aliens Colonial Marines. That one with the Derelict having construction around it. Hicks. He might want to follow that story and bring back Hicks that way. Although idk how him and Ripley would meet again.
But yeah I think he keeps an eye on games. He gave props to Alien Isolation.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 01:34:27 AM
Post by: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 01:34:27 AM
YESSSSSSSS! Hicks lives! Seeing as Prometheus was half prequel, half it's own thing inside the Alien universe, I hope that Blomkamp's Alien just picks up 30 years after Aliens. I'd be very surprised if Fox is all that concerned with having it follow 3 and Resurrection considering they didn't want Prometheus to be a straight prequel to Alien.
But what is unrealized about Ripley's story? She dies in 3 then is cloned in Resurrection. Seems pretty full circle to me.
Quote from: Chronicle on Feb 19, 2015, 01:15:05 AMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:05:47 AM
Well, this being set post-Prometheus 2 is... odd. But something tells me that it'll be pretty standalone in its own right.
I still think bringing back Hicks is kind of dumb, but if it happens it happens. I don't really give a shit at this point. I'm just interested in seeing what Scott's take on this world looks like.
Hicks I'm fine without being in the picture since its CLEARLY obvious he dies in Alien 3 but I think Blomkamp needs to finish up Ripley's story and at least wrap everything up. I'm tired of hearing about this Prometheus hype. Scott needs to get over himself and focus on his own films without intertwining his crap with other Director's. Ridley just move on man. Make Prometheus 2 your last 'Some-what Alien' movie.
But what is unrealized about Ripley's story? She dies in 3 then is cloned in Resurrection. Seems pretty full circle to me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 01:37:06 AM
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 01:37:06 AM
I'm optimistic. But then, I was also optimistic for Prometheus...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 19, 2015, 01:38:04 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 19, 2015, 01:38:04 AM
Please Fox do not screw this up! It been so long since we had a solo Alien movie. I never thought to see the day happen :o !
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 01:41:26 AM
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 01:41:26 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:38:04 AM
Please Fox do not screw this up! It been so long since we had a solo Alien movie.
Its been ever longer since we had a good one...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Crazy Rich on Feb 19, 2015, 01:42:53 AM
Post by: Crazy Rich on Feb 19, 2015, 01:42:53 AM
I'm too say the least, pretty damn cynical about this. Due to some of the concept work I've seen and the whole "recton" idea it's a chalkboard scratching a chalkboard for me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:51:12 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:51:12 AM
Retcon! Retcon! Retcon! Retcon! Retcon! :)
Not overly fussed about Prometheus 2 (seeing as how the first was such a crushing disappointment) but a new Alien film that hopefully recaptures some of the magic of the first two films, while erasing the latter two abortions from the history books, would be a dream come true...
Not overly fussed about Prometheus 2 (seeing as how the first was such a crushing disappointment) but a new Alien film that hopefully recaptures some of the magic of the first two films, while erasing the latter two abortions from the history books, would be a dream come true...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 01:53:05 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 01:53:05 AM
Quote from: GQSioux on Feb 19, 2015, 01:33:46 AMOh it turns out the new Alien title is Alien V Requiem, tag line: Just when you thought it couldn't get worse!
We're getting both a Prometheus 2 AND an Alien sequel. I'm just gonna sit back and be optimistic. ;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 01:53:47 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 01:53:47 AM
Bringing back Hicks would be weird and pointless - what was there to the character anyway? But even bringing back Ripley would destroy it for me. She was a survivor by chance, ever more convoluted ways of involving her in each sequel was stretching credibility.
Amanda Ripley maybe. Make a film inspired by Isolation. Something that recaptures the essence of the original. And get the look of the alien right, if it's an alien film it's Giger's alien you want.
No Queen alien either, let's not go down that route again. In fact, for me, if it's anything in the Aliens mould I would find it a deeply depressing. regressive watch. Colonial marines - no thanks.
Amanda Ripley maybe. Make a film inspired by Isolation. Something that recaptures the essence of the original. And get the look of the alien right, if it's an alien film it's Giger's alien you want.
No Queen alien either, let's not go down that route again. In fact, for me, if it's anything in the Aliens mould I would find it a deeply depressing. regressive watch. Colonial marines - no thanks.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gate on Feb 19, 2015, 01:54:14 AM
Post by: Gate on Feb 19, 2015, 01:54:14 AM
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: r6i99 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:54:53 AM
Post by: r6i99 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:54:53 AM
that art work is truly, truly hideous.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 19, 2015, 01:55:50 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 19, 2015, 01:55:50 AM
I will be hype up for this movie once we get story details and the movie starts filming. After what happen with AVPR, I want to fully watch the movie before I make judgement.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 19, 2015, 01:56:19 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 19, 2015, 01:56:19 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:31:32 AM
I'd be content - happy, even - if the film didn't feature Ripley or Hicks and they were just placeholders in the concept art.
Sure, Blomkamp talked to Siggy about it while filming Chappie, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's involved.
We can only hope. I'm really conflicted about this news, actually. I've got my fingers crossed that it goes back to the pre-Siggy version of his story because I don't think I'll be able to get excited about this if it's HIX N NOOT wish-fulfillment or even just has Weaver. I'm done with Ripley.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 01:56:40 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 01:56:40 AM
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Feb 19, 2015, 01:42:53 AM
I'm too say the least, pretty damn cynical about this. Due to some of the concept work I've seen and the whole "recton" idea it's a chalkboard scratching a chalkboard for me.
You know... I feel the same way.
I want to be excited for it but I'm just like... "Oh, another Alien. Cool, I guess?"
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:58:34 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:58:34 AM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Feb 19, 2015, 01:56:19 AMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:31:32 AM
I'd be content - happy, even - if the film didn't feature Ripley or Hicks and they were just placeholders in the concept art.
Sure, Blomkamp talked to Siggy about it while filming Chappie, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's involved.
We can only hope. I'm really conflicted about this news, actually. I've got my fingers crossed that it goes back to the pre-Siggy version of his story because I don't think I'll be able to get excited about this if it's HIX N NOOT wish-fulfillment or even just has Weaver. I'm done with Ripley.
Yup, totally get that.
That being said, I'm curious enough about seeing how Blomkamp handles the film that I'm willing to go along with just about anything, so long as the end result is good.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 19, 2015, 01:58:46 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 19, 2015, 01:58:46 AM
Between this and the new Predator film, I'm excited. All we need is a good AVP movie to tie it all together... but I'm kidding myself with that one.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 02:02:06 AM
Post by: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 02:02:06 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 01:56:40 AMQuote from: Crazy Rich on Feb 19, 2015, 01:42:53 AM
I'm too say the least, pretty damn cynical about this. Due to some of the concept work I've seen and the whole "recton" idea it's a chalkboard scratching a chalkboard for me.
You know... I feel the same way.
I want to be excited for it but I'm just like... "Oh, another Alien. Cool, I guess?"
I'm super pumped, Aliens is one of my favorite films, by far my favorite in the Alien franchise. Michael Biehn as Hicks is one of my favorite characters/performances so I'm excited at the prospect of his character being given some love after what happened with Alien 3.
I understand more involved fans of the franchise in general don't like negating one chapter at the expense of another. But seeing what Prometheus did and didn't do for the series along with how nobody cares that X-Men, Fox's other franchise has no continuity yet the films keep getting better, I'm staying optimistic until they give me a reason not to.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:04:42 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:04:42 AM
Guys.
Alien V. I'm just saying.
Something fans have discussed on forums such as these since before the dark times we knew as the AVP movies.
It's finally happening. We have an experienced competent director at the helm, an enthused and excited Sigourney Weaver, and Ridley Scott on high and not directly in control. It is the perfect storm for the Alien franchise, on it's own, to restore some of it's quality standing.
And you know what? I don't care. Let Ripley suffer from a massive comatose state to explain away the previous two films and bring back an embittered battle-scared Hicks.
Alien V. I'm just saying.
Something fans have discussed on forums such as these since before the dark times we knew as the AVP movies.
It's finally happening. We have an experienced competent director at the helm, an enthused and excited Sigourney Weaver, and Ridley Scott on high and not directly in control. It is the perfect storm for the Alien franchise, on it's own, to restore some of it's quality standing.
And you know what? I don't care. Let Ripley suffer from a massive comatose state to explain away the previous two films and bring back an embittered battle-scared Hicks.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 19, 2015, 02:05:00 AM
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 19, 2015, 02:05:00 AM
I'd be a lot more excited if District 9 was the only feature he'd made, let's put it that way.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 02:06:17 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 02:06:17 AM
Regardless of what happens with this, Chappie's gonna be nuts. 8)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 19, 2015, 02:08:20 AM
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 19, 2015, 02:08:20 AM
I had hoped Elysium was just a typical sophomore slump but I honestly think the trailers for Chappie have been beyond terrible. I mean, I was looking for Ally Sheedy and Fisher Stevens by the 90 second mark.
I think he's a lovely idea man and has a real head for gadgetry and so on, but neither of his new efforts fill me with confidence. Still, it will be great to see Ripley again.
I think he's a lovely idea man and has a real head for gadgetry and so on, but neither of his new efforts fill me with confidence. Still, it will be great to see Ripley again.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 02:12:02 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 02:12:02 AM
Chappie's trailers seem to really be playing down some of the more insane parts--and all of Die Antwoord!
Most people are probably going to walk out feeling mixed, but if it's tonally what I'm thinking it will be, I am so in. 8)
Most people are probably going to walk out feeling mixed, but if it's tonally what I'm thinking it will be, I am so in. 8)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 02:14:42 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 02:14:42 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:04:42 AM
Let Ripley suffer from a massive comatose state to explain away the previous two films and bring back an embittered battle-scared Hicks.
But the idea of retconning Alien 3 and Resurrection as a bad dream in the way Dallas did it seems like nothing more than just pandering to bitter fans.. fans who haven't gotten over those movies in the last twenty two years. Do we need a retcon if that's the worst case scenario?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 19, 2015, 02:16:17 AM
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 19, 2015, 02:16:17 AM
The concept art really suggests sort of an Alien-esque riff on Elysium - which was a really bad movie - with Ripley and Friends storming the W-Y complex, adding in Fanfic Hicks. I just hope none of that has a basis in reality, but I'm not that lucky. I love Michael Biehn but Hicks is dead.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 02:19:40 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 02:19:40 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 19, 2015, 02:16:17 AM
I love Michael Biehn but Hicks is dead.
Not if you count... THAT game..
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 19, 2015, 02:19:50 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 19, 2015, 02:19:50 AM
I will be happy if they make A3 and A:R not canon. It will be something fans wanted for years.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: MudButt on Feb 19, 2015, 02:22:12 AM
Post by: MudButt on Feb 19, 2015, 02:22:12 AM
Any retcon, remake, reboot, reimagining, retelling, repeat, or foreign version of this film they choose to make will be okay with me only if Paxton comes back. 8)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:22:18 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:22:18 AM
I wouldn't even bother going to see it if Hicks was in it, and I'd think twice about it if Ripley was too. I'm sure Sigourney would like to do it, it'll undoubtedly give her a big paycheck, but I just think it needs to cut it's ties and have the guts to do something fresh. Otherwise it's just sinking back into the mire that lead to apparent fan service like AvP.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 19, 2015, 02:27:23 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 19, 2015, 02:27:23 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:22:18 AM
I wouldn't even bother going to see it if Hicks was in it, and I'd think twice about it if Ripley was too. I'm sure Sigourney would like to do it, it'll undoubtedly give her a big paycheck, but I just think it needs to cut it's ties and have the guts to do something fresh. Otherwise it's just sinking back into the mire that lead to apparent fan service like AvP.
One-thousand-times this.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:28:41 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:28:41 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 02:14:42 AM
But the idea of retconning Alien 3 and Resurrection as a bad dream in the way Dallas did it seems like nothing more than just pandering to bitter fans.. fans who haven't gotten over those movies in the last twenty two years. Do we need a retcon if that's the worst case scenario?
I don't think most people, the general audience, will care either way. As long as the story is done well and entertaining. It very easily could be done well, too. A malfunction in hypersleep is entirely plausible for any number of reasons. You don't even have to dwell on the notion of what is taking place.
EX: Superman Returns had many problems to be sure, but one of them was not that it retconned III and IV. It actually did that part quite well. The real concern is that whatever reason you do this retcon for, it better be a damn compelling story.
Alternatively, you set the story after the events of Resurrection, which doesn't really interest me very much personally. It's so far removed from what made the series interesting to me, and that version of Ripley has little to do with the woman I cared about for the three previous films. If there's a Ripley to show the audience, it's the Ripley who survived the first two films, not the Ripley who had very little of her humanity.
Now, those two options of course hinge on the notion that Weaver/Ripley must return. Now, personally, I don't think they do, but if you're going to do it, then i'd rather they go the Superman Returns route rather than following on or "soft" rebooting after the events of Resurrection.
Besides, this is shallow, but I really like the idea of seeing a PTSD suffering, alcoholic, and older Hicks fighting the aliens again. There's just something about exploring that character in those terms, especially if they get Michael Biehn back to do the role, that appeals to me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 02:28:58 AM
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 02:28:58 AM
I'm thinking Blomkamp is a very 'sharp cookie' (:P):
Now that he's got the gig, hopefully he'll jettison the fanbait 'Rip n' Hicks' rubbish and tell an interesting, original story.
But if any retconning happens, I'll just wait and catch it on Netflix.
- Release concept art, including Ripley and Hicks
- Watch internet explode
- Wait for Fox to call
Now that he's got the gig, hopefully he'll jettison the fanbait 'Rip n' Hicks' rubbish and tell an interesting, original story.
But if any retconning happens, I'll just wait and catch it on Netflix.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 19, 2015, 02:31:27 AM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 19, 2015, 02:31:27 AM
Holy. f**king. Shit.....ALIEN V!!!!!!
Ive been praying for a fabled Alien V since over a DECADE ago.......omg.
PLEASE be good!! Too early for me to pass any judgement currently, as we know next to nothing about the plot so far, but man...Alien V, geez. I though I would honestly never see the day. After the disappointing Prometheus I hope to god this movie is amazing. I want a tense scary action movie like the first 2 alien films. And bring back dat Xeno baby!!!!!
Shame Giger died recently, as it wouldve been great to have him work on this film. But I have faith....
I cant wait to follow every minute detail on the progress of this film on this site with you other hardcore fans!!
Ive been praying for a fabled Alien V since over a DECADE ago.......omg.
PLEASE be good!! Too early for me to pass any judgement currently, as we know next to nothing about the plot so far, but man...Alien V, geez. I though I would honestly never see the day. After the disappointing Prometheus I hope to god this movie is amazing. I want a tense scary action movie like the first 2 alien films. And bring back dat Xeno baby!!!!!
Shame Giger died recently, as it wouldve been great to have him work on this film. But I have faith....
I cant wait to follow every minute detail on the progress of this film on this site with you other hardcore fans!!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Machiko Naguchi on Feb 19, 2015, 02:32:22 AM
Post by: Machiko Naguchi on Feb 19, 2015, 02:32:22 AM
I would say I am optimistic for a new Alien film by Blomkamp. I thought District 9 was good and thought Elysium was even beeter, so I think his take on an Alien film would probably turn out well. I think it will definitely be different than the other films, but isn't that what we need at this point?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 19, 2015, 02:37:07 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 19, 2015, 02:37:07 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 02:28:58 AM
Now that he's got the gig, hopefully he'll jettison the fanbait 'Rip n' Hicks' rubbish and tell an interesting, original story.
Pls be right, Clemens.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 02:41:10 AM
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 02:41:10 AM
Oh wait, hang on folks, false alarm: it's not 'Alien V', it's 'Alien vs. V'
Diana FTW! :D
Diana FTW! :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:42:37 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:42:37 AM
The concept art seems to take Ripley 8 a stage further and puts her in an alien costume. Looks very daft.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:01 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:01 AM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Feb 19, 2015, 02:37:07 AMQuote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 02:28:58 AM
Now that he's got the gig, hopefully he'll jettison the fanbait 'Rip n' Hicks' rubbish and tell an interesting, original story.
Pls be right, Clemens.
Honestly, that's what my first thought was when I first saw the pics. That they were placeholders.
Will be interesting to see what news comes out of this.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:08 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:08 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 02:14:42 AMLet's be honest, it's not only the fans. Hell, many fans do appreciate A3 and A:R. But for general audience, A3 were not a success and they don't mind the movies. Retconning them away would be a good and, in the worst of the cases, inoffensive.Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:04:42 AM
Let Ripley suffer from a massive comatose state to explain away the previous two films and bring back an embittered battle-scared Hicks.
But the idea of retconning Alien 3 and Resurrection as a bad dream in the way Dallas did it seems like nothing more than just pandering to bitter fans.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:33 AM
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:33 AM
I'm excited about the news but where is the story now? Can they really pick up where "Resurrection" left off? With Ripley being a Clone? As for how they can bring Hicks Back. He can be cloned or an Andriod but it can be done. Again I don't know where Ridley is going with "Prometheus 2" yet but I am happy the Franchise won't end with "Resurrection". I love the concept art but I just don't see Hicks coming back unless that was apart of the deal.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 02:46:49 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 02:46:49 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:08 AM
Let's be honest, it's not only the fans. Hell, many fans do appreciate A3 and A:R. But for general audience, A3 were not a success and they don't mind the movies. Retconning them away would be a good and, in the worst of the cases, inoffensive.
I get that and I understand that from a point of view but it doesn't mean I agree with it. I honestly felt that Ripley's story was done with Alien 3, and as sour on a note as it ended-- I felt as if it told us that the Alien is an all-consuming adversary which takes, and takes, and will not stop taking. Ripley had lost everything, but she stopped her adversary and in the end found peace in her own death and sacrifice.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:53:10 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:53:10 AM
Whatever way you look at it, if Ripley's in it, it's a problem.
Either it means retconning A3 out of existence, which despite it's script flaws, is an admirable film that closes Ripley's story very effectively, and doesn't deserve to be dumped on by FOX.
Or it's the continuing story of Ripley 8, who was a uninteresting character in a terrible film.
Why saddle yourself with such problems?
Either it means retconning A3 out of existence, which despite it's script flaws, is an admirable film that closes Ripley's story very effectively, and doesn't deserve to be dumped on by FOX.
Or it's the continuing story of Ripley 8, who was a uninteresting character in a terrible film.
Why saddle yourself with such problems?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 02:56:01 AM
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 02:56:01 AM
Gonna get lynched for this, but I don't care: If retconing A3 and A4 isn't an option for whatever reason(s) I'm totally okay with them rebooting the series at this point.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 02:56:08 AM
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 02:56:08 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:53:10 AM
Whatever way you look at it, if Ripley's in it, it's a problem.
Either it means retconning A3 out of existence, which despite it's script flaws, is an admirable film that closes Ripley's story very effectively, and doesn't deserve to be dumped on by FOX.
Or it's the continuing story of Ripley 8, who was a uninteresting character in a terrible film.
Why saddle yourself with such problems?
WORD.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 02:58:26 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 02:58:26 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:53:10 AMWhatever way you look at it, if Ripley's in it, it's a problem.I don't think most people would care if A3 is retconned. I don't think they would be interested in Ripley and Hicks being the protagonists of the story, either, modern generations don't know those characters. But I think most non-hardcore fans, that loved the characters, would prefer them to be revealed to be alive and a couple living on a distant planet or something.
Either it means retconning A3 out of existence, which despite it's script flaws, is an admirable film that closes Ripley's story very effectively, and doesn't deserve to be dumped on by FOX.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:00:27 AM
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:00:27 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 02:58:26 AMQuote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:53:10 AMWhatever way you look at it, if Ripley's in it, it's a problem.I don't think most people would care if A3 is retconned. I don't think they would be interested in Ripley and Hicks being the protagonists of the story, either, modern generations don't know those characters. But I think most non-hardcore fans, that loved the characters, would prefer them to be revealed to be alive and a couple living on a distant planet or something.
Either it means retconning A3 out of existence, which despite it's script flaws, is an admirable film that closes Ripley's story very effectively, and doesn't deserve to be dumped on by FOX.
In your last two posts, you seem to be really keyed-in on the non-hardcore fans. So one must ask: why would the non-hardcore fans care if Ripley and Hicks are in it at all?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:00:39 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:00:39 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:53:10 AM
Either it means retconning A3 out of existence, which despite it's script flaws, is an admirable film that closes Ripley's story very effectively, and doesn't deserve to be dumped on by FOX.
I agree with this!
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:53:10 AM
Or it's the continuing story of Ripley 8, who was a uninteresting character in a terrible film.
I am not so sure if Weaver wants to continue where Ripley 8 left off from.. I mean I am not even sure what her attitude towards the character is but if I recall, she said only Ridley Scott and James Cameron wrote the character right.
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:53:10 AM
Why saddle yourself with such problems?
I would love for this movie to be a stand-alone. I am hoping it's a stand-alone with new characters.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:01:40 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:01:40 AM
Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 02:56:01 AM
Gonna get lynched for this, but I don't care: If retconing A3 and A4 isn't an option for whatever reason(s) I'm totally okay with them rebooting the series at this point.
What, with old lady Ripley? Can't really be a reboot then can it?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:03:02 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:03:02 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:00:27 AMIn your last two posts, you seem to be really keyed-in on the non-hardcore fans. So one must ask: why would the non-hardcore fans care if Ripley and Hicks are in it at all?Well, there are like 50-years-old people who only loved the series because of those characters, and then lost any interest in the series...
You know, you cannot owe the credits for the series success and fan memories only on the xenomorph alone or the horror concepts, people embraced Alien as a great saga because of the empathy with its characters.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:04:17 AM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:04:17 AM
just food for thought....
What do you guys think of an "alternate timeline" film set a few years after Aliens, where A3 and resurrection didn't happen? An older Ripley and Hicks seeking some kind retribution against WY for the death of Newt and all WYs general shadiness. Could explore WY as a company, show their head quarters, their brass, and what happens when they finally start Harvesting Xenomorphs for bio-weapons.
I think that would maybe be cool. thoughts?
What do you guys think of an "alternate timeline" film set a few years after Aliens, where A3 and resurrection didn't happen? An older Ripley and Hicks seeking some kind retribution against WY for the death of Newt and all WYs general shadiness. Could explore WY as a company, show their head quarters, their brass, and what happens when they finally start Harvesting Xenomorphs for bio-weapons.
I think that would maybe be cool. thoughts?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:05:20 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:05:20 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:03:02 AM
Well, there are like 50-years-old people who only loved the series because of those characters, and then lost any interest in the series...
You say fifty year old like it's a shameful thing.
I'm twenty seven and I love the series and the characters.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:05:36 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:05:36 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:04:17 AMNightmare Asylum and Breakout were awesome. That's pretty much my opinion.
just food for thought....
What do you guys think of an "alternate timeline" film set a few years after Aliens, where A3 and resurrection didn't happen? An older Ripley and Hicks seeking some kind retribution against WY for the death of Newt and all WYs general shadiness. Could explore WY as a company, show their head quarters, their brass, and what happens when they finally start Harvesting Xenomorphs for bio-weapons.
I think that would maybe be cool. thoughts?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 03:06:08 AM
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 03:06:08 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:01:40 AMQuote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 02:56:01 AM
Gonna get lynched for this, but I don't care: If retconing A3 and A4 isn't an option for whatever reason(s) I'm totally okay with them rebooting the series at this point.
What, with old lady Ripley? Can't really be a reboot then can it?
No, I mean reboot it completely, with all new characters and everything.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:06:27 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:06:27 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:05:20 AMNo, I'm 27 too. I'm talking about every people that watched these movies in the theater long time ago and helped them to be a great success. They might be interested in seeing their loved characters alive and back.Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:03:02 AM
Well, there are like 50-years-old people who only loved the series because of those characters, and then lost any interest in the series...
You say fifty year old like it's a shameful thing.
I'm twenty seven and I love the series and the characters.
Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 03:06:08 AMAvP and Prometheus pretty much tried to do this. People didn't respond that well.Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:01:40 AMQuote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 02:56:01 AM
Gonna get lynched for this, but I don't care: If retconing A3 and A4 isn't an option for whatever reason(s) I'm totally okay with them rebooting the series at this point.
What, with old lady Ripley? Can't really be a reboot then can it?
No, I mean reboot it completely, with all new characters and everything.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DaddyYautja on Feb 19, 2015, 03:09:17 AM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Feb 19, 2015, 03:09:17 AM
At least we know that the film will have cool fights.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Wobblyboddle77 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:09:48 AM
Post by: Wobblyboddle77 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:09:48 AM
This is great news, i'm kind of on the fence about bloomkamp as a director. District 9 was a decent film, but Elysium looked great and most of the acting was fine. The script though was below average. I'm cautiously optimistic about this film, Scott producing dosen't bother me. I hope we get closure on Ripleys story and the derelict engineer craft on lv426 is looked at in more detail, as i assume it survived the explosion on LV426.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 03:10:13 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 03:10:13 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:01:40 AM
What, with old lady Ripley? Can't really be a reboot then can it?
Unless it ends up being a Trek 2009 style reboot. A half-boot, or whatever. I have no idea how that would work.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:11:10 AM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:11:10 AM
I assume Blomkamp wont be WRITING the script? just directing?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 03:12:50 AM
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 03:12:50 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:06:27 AMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:05:20 AMNo, I'm 27 too. I'm talking about every people that watched these movies in the theater long time ago and helped them to be a great success. They might be interested in seeing their loved characters alive and back.Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:03:02 AM
Well, there are like 50-years-old people who only loved the series because of those characters, and then lost any interest in the series...
You say fifty year old like it's a shameful thing.
I'm twenty seven and I love the series and the characters.Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 03:06:08 AMAvP and Prometheus pretty much tried to do this. People didn't respond that well.Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:01:40 AMQuote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 02:56:01 AM
Gonna get lynched for this, but I don't care: If retconing A3 and A4 isn't an option for whatever reason(s) I'm totally okay with them rebooting the series at this point.
What, with old lady Ripley? Can't really be a reboot then can it?
No, I mean reboot it completely, with all new characters and everything.
People didn't respond cause the stories were pure crap.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:13:26 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:13:26 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 02:58:26 AM
I don't think most people would care if A3 is retconned.
But I think most non-hardcore fans, that loved the characters, would prefer them to be revealed to be alive and a couple living on a distant planet or something.
I would have no problem with that either. Gives Ripley, Hicks and Newt the happy ending they should have eventually had and allows a new cast to take the series onwards...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:14:47 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:14:47 AM
Just Make:
Shaw & Ripley: Xenos of Future Past.
Shaw & Ripley: Xenos of Future Past.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DemonicD13 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:15:22 AM
Post by: DemonicD13 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:15:22 AM
Hot Damn, I love his movies. I couldn't think of a better choics for directors. ;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:16:37 AM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:16:37 AM
Holy shit....I've been waiting so long.
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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:23:10 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:23:10 AM
Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 03:06:08 AMQuote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:01:40 AMQuote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 02:56:01 AM
Gonna get lynched for this, but I don't care: If retconing A3 and A4 isn't an option for whatever reason(s) I'm totally okay with them rebooting the series at this point.
What, with old lady Ripley? Can't really be a reboot then can it?
No, I mean reboot it completely, with all new characters and everything.
Well indeed that is the best way to go, not by retelling the original stories, but by putting new characters in a new story. But the concept art, which is all we have to go on, is creating all sorts of problematic timeline issues. At this stage it looks like Ripley 8 is the character, complete with biomechanic costume. And as Weaver has now expressed an interest it may be that FOX are also pushing for her inclusion. Which makes it very difficult to be it's own thing.
Meanwhile, I admire Prometheus for taking the familiar and playing around with it; expanding the mythology, so I'm still more invested in that sequel than I am Alien5, which can only work if it loses the baggage it appears to be currently saddled with. Alien3 had the balls to kill off Hicks and that irritating kid, I don't ever want to see them back.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:23:22 AM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:23:22 AM
Quote from: Wobblyboddle77 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:09:48 AM
This is great news, i'm kind of on the fence about bloomkamp as a director. District 9 was a decent film, but Elysium looked great and most of the acting was fine. The script though was below average. I'm cautiously optimistic about this film
I agree with you word for word. This series has always has visionaries for directors and Blomkamp certainly fits in. Its too early to tell but I'm just praying that this all works out because now it has real potential.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:24:52 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:24:52 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:23:10 AMAlien3 had the balls to kill off Hicks and that irritating kid, I don't ever want to see them back.Most of the audience despised Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 03:28:19 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 03:28:19 AM
Only spend money on fitness and Newt could kick asses again
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:28:48 AM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:28:48 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:24:52 AMQuote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:23:10 AMAlien3 had the balls to kill off Hicks and that irritating kid, I don't ever want to see them back.Most of the audience despised Alien 3.
If all they saw was the theatrical release I dont blame them. The assembly cut is a different film entirely.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:29:44 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:29:44 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:24:52 AMQuote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:23:10 AMAlien3 had the balls to kill off Hicks and that irritating kid, I don't ever want to see them back.Most of the audience despised Alien 3.
Why?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:30:16 AM
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:30:16 AM
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 19, 2015, 03:28:19 AM
Only spend money on fitness and Newt could kick asses again
http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b632/aladygmadelpensamiento/Carrie_Hennjpg_zps3edb4a0f.jpg
God, you guys are vicious.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:30:40 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:30:40 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:28:48 AMThey despised the fact Hicks and Newt were killed. Is the assembly cut different?Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:24:52 AMQuote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:23:10 AMAlien3 had the balls to kill off Hicks and that irritating kid, I don't ever want to see them back.Most of the audience despised Alien 3.
If all they saw was the theatrical release I dont blame them. The assembly cut is a different film entirely.
They were killed because of some contracts disagreement, the idea had always been Hicks and Newt to stay alive, so who the cares about Alien 3, give me now the true Aliens 2 and Aliens 3, that's what I want 8)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:32:25 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:32:25 AM
Perhaps you could just make your own film with Neca figures, and it would serve the same purpose.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:34:06 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:34:06 AM
Perhaps you could just rewatch once and again Alien 3 if you think that should be the end of Ripley's story, that would serve the same purpose ::)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:39:46 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:39:46 AM
Read the front page..
It says that it's taking place after the Prometheus films... Either it's being filmed after Prometheus 2 which explains the wording, or it's chronologically taking place after Prometheus 2 in-universe.
The wording is a little confusing to me.
It says that it's taking place after the Prometheus films... Either it's being filmed after Prometheus 2 which explains the wording, or it's chronologically taking place after Prometheus 2 in-universe.
The wording is a little confusing to me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: bioweapon on Feb 19, 2015, 03:40:57 AM
Post by: bioweapon on Feb 19, 2015, 03:40:57 AM
This scalate quick.
Congrats to Neill. The alien art remembers me of the Aliens: Colonial Marines comic. He´s the right choice for the tech side of this univers. I hope he finds the most important side, the Giger one.
Congrats to Neill. The alien art remembers me of the Aliens: Colonial Marines comic. He´s the right choice for the tech side of this univers. I hope he finds the most important side, the Giger one.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gridseeker on Feb 19, 2015, 03:43:35 AM
Post by: Gridseeker on Feb 19, 2015, 03:43:35 AM
OMG NOW I CAN DIE HAPPILY! :) District 9 and Elysium rock and now he would direct the fifth installment. Seriously, Neil is the next James Cameron and Ridley Scott (when they ruled of course, but still I love Prometheus and also I´m eager to see the sequel).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 03:44:17 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 03:44:17 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:39:46 AM
Read the front page..
It says that it's taking place after the Prometheus films... Either it's being filmed after Prometheus 2 which explains the wording, or it's chronologically taking place after Prometheus 2 in-universe.
The wording is a little confusing to me.
Could be a reboot? or perhaps Ripley is not part of the story.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:44:34 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:44:34 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:34:06 AM
Perhaps you could just rewatch once and again Alien 3 if you think that should be the end of Ripley's story, that would serve the same purpose ::)
If Alien 5 can't be original without backpeddling to revive more dead characters, that's exactly what I will do.
If it's truly that uninspired that it feels it has to reinvent the closure for Ripley in a more homely, happy way with her nuclear family, I'll catch Alien5 on TV three or four years down the line.
However, given that Ripley is the alien in the concept art, I'm guessing this is a sequel to Alien: Resrrection anyway.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 03:44:47 AM
Post by: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 03:44:47 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:39:46 AM
Read the front page..
It says that it's taking place after the Prometheus films... Either it's being filmed after Prometheus 2 which explains the wording, or it's chronologically taking place after Prometheus 2 in-universe.
The wording is a little confusing to me.
That is weird they specifically mention Prometheus 2 but really any sequel involving Ripley should take place after Prometheus if it's following the ship, space jockey and how it landed on LV-426, etc right? If they're going right of Pro, it should be about whatever her name is and Michael Fassbender crashing the ship and dying on the planet before being found in Alien. Aliens takes place 57 years after Alien so just set Blomkammp's 30 years later with Ripley and Hicks being reunited and no mention of 3 or Resurrection, most people going to see it won't know what they missed.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 03:45:21 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 03:45:21 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:30:16 AMQuote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 19, 2015, 03:28:19 AM
Only spend money on fitness and Newt could kick asses again
http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b632/aladygmadelpensamiento/Carrie_Hennjpg_zps3edb4a0f.jpg
God, you guys are vicious.
Touché
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:46:37 AM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:46:37 AM
Quote from: bioweapon on Feb 19, 2015, 03:40:57 AM
I hope he finds the most important side, the Giger one.
I hear that. Lets retire the A:R look of the Aliens. It worked for that film but has since been reused over and over again for budget purposes in the AvP films. Bring back the old school bio-mechanical look. Blomkamp has stated he loved Alien: Isolation, Well look at this beauty:
Lets hope he honors H.R. Giger.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 19, 2015, 03:47:22 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 19, 2015, 03:47:22 AM
Other franchises ignore the bad sequels in the series, so it's okay if Alien did the same with A3 and A:R. For example Superman Returns ignores Superman 3 & 4, Higherland ignores Highlander 2, the new Universal Solider movies ignore the second movie that came out in 1999 and Twisted Metal: Head On ignores TM3 & TM4.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: tmoldovan on Feb 19, 2015, 03:48:12 AM
Post by: tmoldovan on Feb 19, 2015, 03:48:12 AM
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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:50:10 AM
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:50:10 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:32:25 AM
Perhaps you could just make your own film with Neca figures, and it would serve the same purpose.
Looking for 'Like' button.
Rakai, if a film 'takes place' in a particular time, then that's when it is set. 500 BC, 1898, or 1985. So this film will take place anywhere from the end of Prometheus 2 to the end of human history. When it is 'filming' is another matter, and has not yet been disclosed.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 19, 2015, 03:51:34 AM
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 19, 2015, 03:51:34 AM
How cool would it be if Cameron steps in as another producer?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:52:04 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:52:04 AM
People tend to remember Alien 3 - if only as the bleak one where Ripley died.
Problem is, whilst Fincher might hate it, and some Aliens fans might hate it, there are a lot of people who regard Alien3 as a masterpiece.
A heavily flawed one in my opinion, but still harder to ignore because of the obvious rift it causes in fandom, than any number of obviously poor sequels like T3, or Universal Soldier or Superman 3 and 4.
Problem is, whilst Fincher might hate it, and some Aliens fans might hate it, there are a lot of people who regard Alien3 as a masterpiece.
A heavily flawed one in my opinion, but still harder to ignore because of the obvious rift it causes in fandom, than any number of obviously poor sequels like T3, or Universal Soldier or Superman 3 and 4.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 19, 2015, 03:52:38 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 19, 2015, 03:52:38 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:39:46 AM
Read the front page..
It says that it's taking place after the Prometheus films... Either it's being filmed after Prometheus 2 which explains the wording, or it's chronologically taking place after Prometheus 2 in-universe.
The wording is a little confusing to me.
I was confused by the wording, too, but I also don't get why that point needed to be brought up in the first place. The Prometheus films are set before Alien, and this movie would take place after them to begin with. I have no idea why Fox felt it was necessary to say that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 03:53:27 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 03:53:27 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:46:37 AMQuote from: bioweapon on Feb 19, 2015, 03:40:57 AM
I hope he finds the most important side, the Giger one.
I hear that. Lets retire the A:R look of the Aliens. It worked for that film but has since been reused over and over again for budget purposes in the AvP films. Bring back the old school bio-mechanical look. Blomkamp has stated he loved Alien: Isolation, Well look at this beauty:
Lets hope he honors H.R. Giger.
Despite that there were practical reasons for the choice of that design from Alien Isolation, I hate those kangaroo paws.
This is still the best design
Also, when I see the conceptual art of Neil, I get the impression that he is a fan of James Cameron xenomorph. Although I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:56:42 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:56:42 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:50:10 AM
Rakai, if a film 'takes place' in a particular time, then that's when it is set. 500 BC, 1898, or 1985. So this film will take place anywhere from the end of Prometheus 2 to the end of human history. When it is 'filming' is another matter, and has not yet been disclosed.
Point made.. I just feel it would either be worked best as either set immediately after Prometheus 2, or sometime after Resurrection. I just feel like the franchise has been retconned enough as it is.
But we only can speculate based on the concept art which Blomkamp released. Personally.. I hope it's a stand alone.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:58:01 AM
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:58:01 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:47:22 AM
Other franchises ignore the bad sequels in the series, so it's okay if Alien did the same with A3 and A:R. For example Superman Returns ignores Superman 3 & 4, Higherland ignores Highlander 2, the new Universal Solider movies ignore the second movie that came out in 1999 and Twisted Metal: Head On ignores TM3 & TM4.
'Superman'! 'Highlander'! 'Universal Soldier'! And WTF is 'Twisted Metal'?
I've heard this argument before, with 'Godzilla' and 'Robocop' (among others). You're gonna lump ALIEN in with those things?
Might as well throw 'Masters of the Universe' and 'Scooby-Doo' in, while you're at it...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 04:00:04 AM
Post by: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 04:00:04 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:58:01 AMQuote from: Hellspawn28 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:47:22 AM
Other franchises ignore the bad sequels in the series, so it's okay if Alien did the same with A3 and A:R. For example Superman Returns ignores Superman 3 & 4, Higherland ignores Highlander 2, the new Universal Solider movies ignore the second movie that came out in 1999 and Twisted Metal: Head On ignores TM3 & TM4.
'Superman'! 'Highlander'! 'Universal Soldier'! And WTF is 'Twisted Metal'?
I've heard this argument before, with 'Godzilla' and 'Robocop' (among others). You're gonna lump ALIEN in with those things?
Might as well throw 'Masters of the Universe' and 'Scooby-Doo' in, while you're at it...
I keep bringing up X-Men, Fox's other bungled yet successful franchise.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gridseeker on Feb 19, 2015, 04:02:01 AM
Post by: Gridseeker on Feb 19, 2015, 04:02:01 AM
I love all the four Alien movies and even Prometheus but also I´m very excited with this news, Neil is a big fan from the Alien franchise like us; about the retconning, I think there´re two options: 1) set the next movie as an alternate universe or like "what if...?" and that "what if...?" would be Hicks along with Ripley as the main protagonists or 2) set Alien 5 as the official sequel BUT NOT THROWING A3 AND RESURRECTION and set both movies in an alternate cannon or universe.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 04:03:44 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 04:03:44 AM
Gridseeker as much as I do like the alternate universe/alternate canon idea... I just do not see Fox adopting that idea. Not to mention for whatever reason, as unfounded as it is, seems to really not sit well with fans as it wouldn't erase anything.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: bioweapon on Feb 19, 2015, 04:07:22 AM
Post by: bioweapon on Feb 19, 2015, 04:07:22 AM
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 19, 2015, 03:53:27 AMQuote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:46:37 AMQuote from: bioweapon on Feb 19, 2015, 03:40:57 AM
I hope he finds the most important side, the Giger one.
I hear that. Lets retire the A:R look of the Aliens. It worked for that film but has since been reused over and over again for budget purposes in the AvP films. Bring back the old school bio-mechanical look. Blomkamp has stated he loved Alien: Isolation, Well look at this beauty:
Lets hope he honors H.R. Giger.
Despite that there were practical reasons for the choice of that design from Alien Isolation, I hate those kangaroo paws.
This is still the best design
Also, when I see the conceptual art of Neil, I get the impression that he is a fan of James Cameron xenomorph. Although I could be wrong.
I would definitely go with the first installment art.
BUT... i rather make no alien creature but related things. I mean like Ridley says, we just saw too much of it and now is like a toy.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 19, 2015, 04:08:19 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 19, 2015, 04:08:19 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:32:25 AM
Perhaps you could just make your own film with Neca figures, and it would serve the same purpose.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 19, 2015, 04:09:15 AM
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 19, 2015, 04:09:15 AM
Quote from: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 01:34:27 AM
YESSSSSSSS! Hicks lives! Seeing as Prometheus was half prequel, half it's own thing inside the Alien universe, I hope that Blomkamp's Alien just picks up 30 years after Aliens. I'd be very surprised if Fox is all that concerned with having it follow 3 and Resurrection considering they didn't want Prometheus to be a straight prequel to Alien.Quote from: Chronicle on Feb 19, 2015, 01:15:05 AMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:05:47 AM
Well, this being set post-Prometheus 2 is... odd. But something tells me that it'll be pretty standalone in its own right.
I still think bringing back Hicks is kind of dumb, but if it happens it happens. I don't really give a shit at this point. I'm just interested in seeing what Scott's take on this world looks like.
Hicks I'm fine without being in the picture since its CLEARLY obvious he dies in Alien 3 but I think Blomkamp needs to finish up Ripley's story and at least wrap everything up. I'm tired of hearing about this Prometheus hype. Scott needs to get over himself and focus on his own films without intertwining his crap with other Director's. Ridley just move on man. Make Prometheus 2 your last 'Some-what Alien' movie.
But what is unrealized about Ripley's story? She dies in 3 then is cloned in Resurrection. Seems pretty full circle to me.
Exactly. She died and then she was cloned. We still have yet to figure out what happens to the clone character of Ripley because the story was left wide open after Ripley and Call reach Earth. Even if it had nothing to do with Resurrection it would be nice to see Sigourney Weaver one more time as Ripley before she gets too old.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: acrediblesource on Feb 19, 2015, 04:17:55 AM
Post by: acrediblesource on Feb 19, 2015, 04:17:55 AM
With terminator coming out, this looks like a return to the franchise markets again. Guess we'll see another predator sequel....
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 04:21:04 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 04:21:04 AM
Quote from: acrediblesource on Feb 19, 2015, 04:17:55 AM
Guess we'll see another predator sequel....
Already are getting one.. Shane Black's doing it.
All I'll say is I hope Fred Dekker writes up something which doesn't go the route of PREDATORS.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 04:28:34 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 04:28:34 AM
Quote from: bioweapon on Feb 19, 2015, 04:07:22 AMQuote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 19, 2015, 03:53:27 AMQuote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:46:37 AMQuote from: bioweapon on Feb 19, 2015, 03:40:57 AM
I hope he finds the most important side, the Giger one.
I hear that. Lets retire the A:R look of the Aliens. It worked for that film but has since been reused over and over again for budget purposes in the AvP films. Bring back the old school bio-mechanical look. Blomkamp has stated he loved Alien: Isolation, Well look at this beauty:
Lets hope he honors H.R. Giger.
Despite that there were practical reasons for the choice of that design from Alien Isolation, I hate those kangaroo paws.
This is still the best design
Also, when I see the conceptual art of Neil, I get the impression that he is a fan of James Cameron xenomorph. Although I could be wrong.
I would definitely go with the first installment art.
https://hollywoodhatesme.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/lambert-v-alien.jpg
BUT... i rather make no alien creature but related things. I mean like Ridley says, we just saw too much of it and now is like a toy.
you mean Gigeresque? ^^ that already exists, and is called Deacon
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 04:32:05 AM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 04:32:05 AM
You know, after AvPR I was afraid that Fox just wasn't thinking about these franchises seriously anymore. I thought that we would be getting either a direct to dvd AvP3 or a straight up reboot of Alien and Predator. But I was wrong, instead we got Predators and Prometheus and now Alien 5 by Blomkamp, Predator 4 by shane black, and Prometheus 2 by Ridely scott. Its just awesome.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 19, 2015, 04:35:14 AM
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 19, 2015, 04:35:14 AM
I would be very ok with this movie forgetting Alien 3 and Resurrection. Don't even explain them away-- just do a new timeline. I'm ok with that. I appreciate 3 and Res for what they are, but I don't think they're very good films, and the idea of following up Aliens with a direct sequel that actually builds on the former instead of tearing it down... I'm ok with that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 04:36:49 AM
Post by: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 04:36:49 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on Feb 19, 2015, 04:09:15 AMQuote from: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 01:34:27 AM
YESSSSSSSS! Hicks lives! Seeing as Prometheus was half prequel, half it's own thing inside the Alien universe, I hope that Blomkamp's Alien just picks up 30 years after Aliens. I'd be very surprised if Fox is all that concerned with having it follow 3 and Resurrection considering they didn't want Prometheus to be a straight prequel to Alien.Quote from: Chronicle on Feb 19, 2015, 01:15:05 AMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:05:47 AM
Well, this being set post-Prometheus 2 is... odd. But something tells me that it'll be pretty standalone in its own right.
I still think bringing back Hicks is kind of dumb, but if it happens it happens. I don't really give a shit at this point. I'm just interested in seeing what Scott's take on this world looks like.
Hicks I'm fine without being in the picture since its CLEARLY obvious he dies in Alien 3 but I think Blomkamp needs to finish up Ripley's story and at least wrap everything up. I'm tired of hearing about this Prometheus hype. Scott needs to get over himself and focus on his own films without intertwining his crap with other Director's. Ridley just move on man. Make Prometheus 2 your last 'Some-what Alien' movie.
But what is unrealized about Ripley's story? She dies in 3 then is cloned in Resurrection. Seems pretty full circle to me.
Exactly. She died and then she was cloned. We still have yet to figure out what happens to the clone character of Ripley because the story was left wide open after Ripley and Call reach Earth. Even if it had nothing to do with Resurrection it would be nice to see Sigourney Weaver one more time as Ripley before she gets too old.
I'm all for Ripley's return as well as Hicks, take their age into account and go forth in a new chapter. Will be interesting to see if Weaver and Biehn return and how they'll go about it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 04:37:49 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 04:37:49 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Feb 19, 2015, 04:35:14 AM
I would be very ok with this movie forgetting Alien 3 and Resurrection. Don't even explain them away-- just do a new timeline.
If in a similar vein to what Halloween H20 did with Halloween IV to VI, and set them aside as an alternative timeline is what you mean, then I would be completely for that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 04:47:17 AM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 04:47:17 AM
People need to get over their butt hurt over what happened in Alien3. All this talk about retconning...come on. Rest assured that if Weaver is going to be apart of this film then it will be respecting continuity. She's not going to star in a film that conflicts with her previous films and undermines the franchise and the same goes for Ridley Scott since he's the producer. This doesnt mean that Hicks cant come back. If they can write a way for it to happen that makes sense then there is no problem.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 04:52:03 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 04:52:03 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 04:47:17 AM
This doesnt mean that Hicks cant come back.
I don't want to be THAT GUY but Hicks is already back.. thanks to an ill-received video game which Fox "allegedly" totes around as canon. Emphasis on allegedly.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 04:56:36 AM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 04:56:36 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 04:52:03 AMQuote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 04:47:17 AM
This doesnt mean that Hicks cant come back.
I don't want to be THAT GUY but Hicks is already back.. thanks to an ill-received video game which Fox "allegedly" totes around as canon. Emphasis on allegedly.
Dealing with this assertion that Fox said it was canon (when it was actually just Gearbox) is like playing whack-a-mole.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:07:04 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:07:04 AM
Just throw some Hicks, Newt and Bishop clones and let's f**king go :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 05:13:34 AM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 05:13:34 AM
I am so nervous about what direction this will go. retconing is a stupid idea. Retconning jsut seems so unserious. With scott doing it though i think we could see this being a stand alone film, i dont think he wasnt to see ripley back or hicks, has he ever said anything about aliens?
I hope they dont go with the man in the suit look, man in a suit looks silly. If they took a bit from alien 3, isolation and aliens it would look good.
I hope we get a more aliens style movie. Hives multiple aliens, i think that would be really cool.
I hope we get a stand alone film, that would be the best case scenario. Itll be easier to write new characters, new story and new settings.
Maybe we will find out how WY learns of the alien to begin with, or how the ship crashed on 426.
AS it is, im extremely nervous and trying not to get too excited.
I hope they dont go with the man in the suit look, man in a suit looks silly. If they took a bit from alien 3, isolation and aliens it would look good.
I hope we get a more aliens style movie. Hives multiple aliens, i think that would be really cool.
I hope we get a stand alone film, that would be the best case scenario. Itll be easier to write new characters, new story and new settings.
Maybe we will find out how WY learns of the alien to begin with, or how the ship crashed on 426.
AS it is, im extremely nervous and trying not to get too excited.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 19, 2015, 05:19:35 AM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Feb 19, 2015, 05:19:35 AM
I wonder when Fox will have the movie come out? I don't think Prometheus 2 is coming out anytime soon. Could Fox have both Predator 4 and Alien 5 coming out in 2017?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 05:20:39 AM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 05:20:39 AM
late 2017 would be the earliest release date for ALien, predators and prometheous
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:25:03 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:25:03 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:28:41 AMEX: Superman Returns had many problems to be sure, but one of them was not that it retconned III and IV. It actually did that part quite well.Yeah, but that can have a very easy in-universe explanation:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightgaunt on Feb 19, 2015, 05:25:45 AM
Post by: Nightgaunt on Feb 19, 2015, 05:25:45 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 04:37:49 AMQuote from: Alienseseses on Feb 19, 2015, 04:35:14 AM
I would be very ok with this movie forgetting Alien 3 and Resurrection. Don't even explain them away-- just do a new timeline.
If in a similar vein to what Halloween H20 did with Halloween IV to VI, and set them aside as an alternative timeline is what you mean, then I would be completely for that.
What no Halloween 3 Season of the Witch? ;)
I feel like this might be the route they go. I'd love to see more of the Weyland Yutani era. Blomkamp would nail the look. Stoked this is really happening.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: chrisr232007 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:27:37 AM
Post by: chrisr232007 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:27:37 AM
Great news! Here is hoping for the best!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:28:11 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:28:11 AM
What if Prometheus is indeed a franchise reboot rather than a prequel, and this movie's about an alternate universe version of Hicks and Ripley set in that universe?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ryley J. Lyons on Feb 19, 2015, 05:28:37 AM
Post by: Ryley J. Lyons on Feb 19, 2015, 05:28:37 AM
Mid 2016 seems like a good estimate for the release date of Alien 5, given that it will mark the 30th anniversary of Aliens. I'd guess mid 2017 for Predator, since that will mark the 30th anniversary of Predator. And for Prometheus 2, I'm not really sure. They really seem tentative to give any new info about the project, other than that it is actually happening.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 05:33:40 AM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 05:33:40 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:28:11 AM
What if Prometheus is indeed a franchise reboot rather than a prequel, and this movie's about an alternate universe version of Hicks and Ripley set in that universe?
no thanks
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 05:40:44 AM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 05:40:44 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:14:47 AMOk that was a good one :laugh:
Just Make:
Shaw & Ripley: Xenos of Future Past.
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:28:11 AMI honestly wouldn't be surprised if they tried making a shared universe with separate franchises a la Fire and Stone. Specially with all these studios trying to get on that bandwagon.
What if Prometheus is indeed a franchise reboot rather than a prequel, and this movie's about an alternate universe version of Hicks and Ripley set in that universe?
Predator 4, Alien V, Prometheus 2. Maybe another attempt at AvP in the far future. I'm not saying I want this to happen, but this sounds like something Fox would do.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 05:45:36 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 05:45:36 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:28:11 AM
What if Prometheus is indeed a franchise reboot rather than a prequel, and this movie's about an alternate universe version of Hicks and Ripley set in that universe?
I am all for an alternate universe and everything but someone mentioned the whole shared universe thing thanks to Fire and Stone. If Fox is going for a whole shared universe thing going on, then it's being handled... I don't want to say sloppily but taking thirty something year old movies, which were separate.. then unified, then separated again... the way they're doing it if it's meant to be a shared universe doesn't feel seemless like how Marvel did it.
But I am for alternate universes within the Alien-Predator franchises. But I don't see Fox doing anything like this.. It doesn't seem like something that they would even so much as care to do.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 05:47:17 AM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 05:47:17 AM
i dont want to see some silly super hero like plot crap
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 19, 2015, 05:50:20 AM
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 19, 2015, 05:50:20 AM
I am SOOOO amped for this film!
Clarification....this film is to take place YEARS AFTER Prometheus 2.....
Clarification....this film is to take place YEARS AFTER Prometheus 2.....
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 05:50:58 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 05:50:58 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 19, 2015, 05:47:17 AM
i dont want to see some silly super hero like plot crap
Alternate universe doesn't necessarily mean superhero. In fact there is some scientific theory of parallel universes already at work. Also some hardcore sci-fi franchises deal with alternate universes-- some of them being scientifically grounded.. Like Star Trek.
Also alternate universes don't have to coincide with the main universe. They can co-exist without interacting with each other.
But again.. I don't see this happening.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 05:53:44 AM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 05:53:44 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 05:50:58 AMQuote from: Nazrel on Feb 19, 2015, 05:47:17 AM
i dont want to see some silly super hero like plot crap
Alternate universe doesn't necessarily mean superhero. In fact there is some scientific theory of parallel universes already at work. Also some hardcore sci-fi franchises deal with alternate universes-- some of them being scientifically grounded.. Like Star Trek.
Also alternate universes don't have to coincide with the main universe. They can co-exist without interacting with each other.
But again.. I don't see this happening.
Oh i mean i dont want some really far fetched time travel, universe hoping machine or something. Keep it Alien/prometheous dont try to reboot, just make it its own thing.
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 19, 2015, 05:50:20 AM
I am SOOOO amped for this film!
Clarification....this film is to be made AFTER Prometheus 2 is made...not after the events of Prometheus 2. That's an important distinction.
There has not been any clarification on that, unless you have some new source
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 05:55:59 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 05:55:59 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 19, 2015, 05:50:20 AM
I am SOOOO amped for this film!
Clarification....this film is to be made AFTER Prometheus 2 is made...not after the events of Prometheus 2. That's an important distinction.
I seriously doubt that it will be made after Prometheus 2 (assuming Prometheus 2 is still possible). Unless it is "a la Fire and Stone" as xeno-kaname has posted.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 05:56:30 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 05:56:30 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 04:56:36 AM
Dealing with this assertion that Fox said it was canon (when it was actually just Gearbox) is like playing whack-a-mole.
Well... That's a little muddier. Fox signed off on it as an "official" sequel. Gearbox just milked that idea for fan wankery cred.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 05:57:28 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 05:57:28 AM
This is absolutely fantastic.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:57:34 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:57:34 AM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 05:40:44 AMI honestly wouldn't be surprised if they tried making a shared universe with separate franchises a la Fire and Stone. Specially with all these studios trying to get on that bandwagon.Have Arnold Schwarzenneger to return as Dutch on Predator 4, and add Trank's Fantastic Four to the mix.
Predator 4, Alien V, Prometheus 2. Maybe another attempt at AvP in the far future. I'm not saying I want this to happen, but this sounds like something Fox would do.
Result:
The Xenopendables
aka
The Avengigers
D:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 05:57:45 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 05:57:45 AM
I don't dread this as much as AvP, but the more I hear clamouring for an Aliens rehash the more I feel disenchanted that that might be basically what we get.
The only thing that Fox has confirmed is that it will come after Prometheus 2.
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 19, 2015, 05:55:59 AMQuote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 19, 2015, 05:50:20 AM
I am SOOOO amped for this film!
Clarification....this film is to be made AFTER Prometheus 2 is made...not after the events of Prometheus 2. That's an important distinction.
I seriously doubt that it will be made after Prometheus 2 (assuming Prometheus 2 is still possible)
The only thing that Fox has confirmed is that it will come after Prometheus 2.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 05:59:17 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 05:59:17 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 05:57:45 AM
I don't dread this as much as AvP, but the more I hear clamouring for an Aliens rehash the more I feel disenchanted that that might be basically what we get.
I really don't get why returning characters = Aliens rehash in your mind. I really doubt it'll deal with a military action motif at all.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 05:59:46 AM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 05:59:46 AM
unless this has a new setting, and plot with new characters it will probably flop. But lets not get too hyped up over it or we will all be disappointed one way or another.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 06:03:15 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 06:03:15 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 05:59:17 AMQuote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 05:57:45 AM
I don't dread this as much as AvP, but the more I hear clamouring for an Aliens rehash the more I feel disenchanted that that might be basically what we get.
I really don't get why returning characters = Aliens rehash in your mind. I really doubt it'll deal with a military action motif at all.
Hopefully it won't be. But the concept art features Hicks in armour, Ripley with a pulse rifle and an alien queen. Frankly that is enough to tell me it's trying to rekindle past 'glories'. And those aspects in particular hold no interest for me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 06:07:44 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 06:07:44 AM
You know.. if there is one thing I want to say regarding this..
This better be the FINAL Alien movie before a reboot or remake in years to come.
This better be the FINAL Alien movie before a reboot or remake in years to come.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: PHANTOM on Feb 19, 2015, 06:17:57 AM
Post by: PHANTOM on Feb 19, 2015, 06:17:57 AM
It's going to take me a while to let this sink in that Blomkamp is going to direct an Alien film.
Still sounds too good to be true. Until I see the man himself standing in front of a black terrifying xenomorph and a camera in his hand, I've been played.
Still sounds too good to be true. Until I see the man himself standing in front of a black terrifying xenomorph and a camera in his hand, I've been played.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 06:19:28 AM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 06:19:28 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 06:07:44 AM
You know.. if there is one thing I want to say regarding this..
This better be the FINAL Alien movie before a reboot or remake in years to come.
we dont need a reboot or remake just keep it in the same universe and do some new stories
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Darkness on Feb 19, 2015, 06:27:13 AM
Post by: Darkness on Feb 19, 2015, 06:27:13 AM
Woah, things are moving very fast. Great news for the franchises. I'd much rather have Alien 5 than Prometheus 2 any day.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Feb 19, 2015, 06:34:09 AM
Post by: SiL on Feb 19, 2015, 06:34:09 AM
Much as I love D9, Blomkamp's had one hit and one very mediocre movie. And any idea that brings Hicks back is f**king stupid.
But hey, can't be worse than Strause Bros, so...
But hey, can't be worse than Strause Bros, so...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 06:40:19 AM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 06:40:19 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2015, 06:34:09 AM
Much as I love D9, Blomkamp's had one hit and one very mediocre movie. And any idea that brings Hicks back is f**king stupid.
But hey, can't be worse than Strause Bros, so...
I really, really really hope we dont get anything close to Avpr quality, or colonial marines quality
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Feb 19, 2015, 06:42:14 AM
Post by: SiL on Feb 19, 2015, 06:42:14 AM
We won't. Blomkamp's a good director.
Just his ideas are the worst type of Aliens fanboy terrible if his art's anything to go by.
Just his ideas are the worst type of Aliens fanboy terrible if his art's anything to go by.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 06:44:50 AM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 06:44:50 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2015, 06:42:14 AM
We won't. Blomkamp's a good director.
Just his ideas are the worst type of Aliens fanboy terrible if his art's anything to go by.
I hate a majority of fanfiction, and aliens fancfiction is no different, all of this retconing just reminds me of bad fanfiction
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 06:46:21 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 06:46:21 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 19, 2015, 06:44:50 AM
I hate a majority of fanfiction, and aliens fancfiction is no different, all of this retconing just reminds me of bad fanfiction
I just feel like the franchises have gone through enough retconning as it is. So I am hoping this new Alien movie is not a retcon. Either a continuation or a stand-alone. I would like a stand alone though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Scree on Feb 19, 2015, 06:51:17 AM
Post by: Scree on Feb 19, 2015, 06:51:17 AM
Very glad Blomkamp got the project, after all. Pretty much expected this. That's why he put those concept-illustrations on his Instagram. To get movie fans excited and get the attention of FOX. Well done, Neill! :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 06:52:22 AM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 06:52:22 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 06:46:21 AMQuote from: Nazrel on Feb 19, 2015, 06:44:50 AM
I hate a majority of fanfiction, and aliens fancfiction is no different, all of this retconing just reminds me of bad fanfiction
I just feel like the franchises have gone through enough retconning as it is. So I am hoping this new Alien movie is not a retcon. Either a continuation or a stand-alone. I would like a stand alone though.
If its not stand alone i dont see it having a good story
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 06:54:01 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 06:54:01 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2015, 06:42:14 AM
We won't. Blomkamp's a good director.
Just his ideas are the worst type of Aliens fanboy terrible if his art's anything to go by.
Agreed. The art, if anything, is what's putting me off. What it implies doesn't look like a great direction to go in.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 19, 2015, 07:53:46 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 19, 2015, 07:53:46 AM
My two cents is that the concept art released, was bad. However it has got to start somewhere. I also just don't see it working anywhere else than after A|R if Ripley's going to be in it canon wise.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BonesawT101 on Feb 19, 2015, 08:26:42 AM
Post by: BonesawT101 on Feb 19, 2015, 08:26:42 AM
Congratulations to Neil on landing the director's job of a life time for such a big Alien fan. Neil is a talented director, there is no doubt about that. The 'concept' art worked because it got a majority interested and excited for a potential alien film. While the inclusion of Ripley and Hicks certainly excites me, I am not so sure that it would work, particularly Hicks. I can see ways in which Ripley could be involved that makes sense definitely and to be honest I think the idea that the great Sigourney Weaver could be involved is what has excited the majority of film goers.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 08:28:34 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 08:28:34 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:46:37 AM
Lets retire the A:R look of the Aliens. It worked for that film but has since been reused over and over again for budget purposes in the AvP films. Bring back the old school bio-mechanical look. Blomkamp has stated he loved Alien: Isolation, Well look at this beauty:
Lets hope he honors H.R. Giger.
Definitely! The constant reuse of the AR suits was all a cost saving exercise. I think the film needs to return to the original approach and let us see things we never got to see in Alien - in particular, I want to see it show off like it does in Isolation.
I'd like to see it explore Ripley 8. I genuinely think her character was the best thing about Resurrection. Her mix with the Aliens allows for something for Weaver to dig into and for the writer to explore. It gives it the potential to actually move forward and not simply repeat the formula of the previous films. I just want it to close off the Ripley story so the franchise can move forward.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 08:51:56 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 08:51:56 AM
Colour me no more than curious at this point.
I've said so before, but I agree with you on this. If they insist on using Ripley, I want them to go down this route.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 08:28:34 AMI'd like to see it explore Ripley 8. I genuinely think her character was the best thing about Resurrection. Her mix with the Aliens allows for something for Weaver to dig into and for the writer to explore. It gives it the potential to actually move forward and not simply repeat the formula of the previous films. I just want it to close off the Ripley story so the franchise can move forward.
I've said so before, but I agree with you on this. If they insist on using Ripley, I want them to go down this route.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 19, 2015, 08:59:47 AM
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 19, 2015, 08:59:47 AM
My immediate reaction to this news was a "no thanks."
I love Blomkamp's visual style, and I've said before that if anyone were to reboot/remake the series, he'd pull it off aesthetically.
However, I already have 3 (maybe even 4) ALIEN films I very much love and cherish. Pretty reluctant to accept any new sequels, especially after my immense disappointment with Prometheus. I don't like the notion of resurrecting Hick's either. ALIEN 3's opening may have been the worst way the character could have been thrown away, but it's been over 20 years. Let's not go with this fanboyish story route.
Since this project will happen, however, I'm just going to hope for the best. If we're disregarding ALIEN 3 and Resurrection's canon, please do it in a classy way.
I love Blomkamp's visual style, and I've said before that if anyone were to reboot/remake the series, he'd pull it off aesthetically.
However, I already have 3 (maybe even 4) ALIEN films I very much love and cherish. Pretty reluctant to accept any new sequels, especially after my immense disappointment with Prometheus. I don't like the notion of resurrecting Hick's either. ALIEN 3's opening may have been the worst way the character could have been thrown away, but it's been over 20 years. Let's not go with this fanboyish story route.
Since this project will happen, however, I'm just going to hope for the best. If we're disregarding ALIEN 3 and Resurrection's canon, please do it in a classy way.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 19, 2015, 09:00:01 AM
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 19, 2015, 09:00:01 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 01:07:20 AMAfter reading this announcement earlier this evening, when I had just walked into work, I could not concentrate for like two hours. This is legit very very exciting. The best announcement Ive heard since Scott stated working on Prometheus. I can't imagine someone better suited for Alien 5, Blomkamp has the right balance of serious sci-fi and action this needs. He knows how to escalate the action and the drama. I am also guessing this will allow Prometheus 2 the freedom to go other, stranger places, as it needs. What's even better is Scott's involvement as Producer for both films guarantees the A-class production values that elevated the best Alien films from its contemporaries.Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 01:03:57 AM
So it's going to be the Alien prequel then? Like.. THE Alien prequel which Prometheus was SUPPOSED to be?
I don't think it necessarily means directly after Prometheus 2. It's a given that the film takes place after the prequels.
Pleased to hear this isn't interfering with Prometheus 2.
In terms of taking lore from Prometheus into account...it'd probably just be the Engineers which we can't change. It's happened. That's what the Jockey's are now.
This is already the best Sci-Fi film franchise of all time.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: szkoki on Feb 19, 2015, 09:21:09 AM
Post by: szkoki on Feb 19, 2015, 09:21:09 AM
Cool, lets use Ripley 8 and be the plot like this: she has visions, telepatic calls etc from the mother queen in her dreams so they(good guys&bad guys) use those to find the Alien homeworld.
So give that big middle finger to Prometheus theory about xenos.
Now really, dont get me wrong, how will this play out. What will it about if not alien homeworld? Other than that its bullshit, on the flipside Prometheus stated already that xenos are bioweapons, and Shaw already going to the Homeworld...but the Engineer's.
wow make this movie a franchise like Prometheus and in the 3rd part for both movie will be the same with Shaw and Ripley with including time travel :3 xD
So give that big middle finger to Prometheus theory about xenos.
Now really, dont get me wrong, how will this play out. What will it about if not alien homeworld? Other than that its bullshit, on the flipside Prometheus stated already that xenos are bioweapons, and Shaw already going to the Homeworld...but the Engineer's.
wow make this movie a franchise like Prometheus and in the 3rd part for both movie will be the same with Shaw and Ripley with including time travel :3 xD
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 19, 2015, 09:25:37 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 19, 2015, 09:25:37 AM
I'm curious about this announcement, but I hate the idea of retconning 3.
I wouldn't like to see Ripley or Hicks, or Ripley 8.
Should be a stand alone film with new characters.
I wouldn't like to see Ripley or Hicks, or Ripley 8.
Should be a stand alone film with new characters.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenoscream on Feb 19, 2015, 09:43:46 AM
Post by: Xenoscream on Feb 19, 2015, 09:43:46 AM
This is SUCH GOOD NEWS!
Can't quite believe we will get another pure Alien film.
And we all get to see it on the big screen, Alien on Imax... can't wait.
Can't quite believe we will get another pure Alien film.
And we all get to see it on the big screen, Alien on Imax... can't wait.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Bay on Feb 19, 2015, 10:11:45 AM
Post by: Bay on Feb 19, 2015, 10:11:45 AM
I remember reading an interview where Michael Biehn stated that he did not want to return to the film franchise unless Cameron was involved (maybe was the terminator franchise, i'm not sure about this). Anyone remember this? It would be a pity to have another actor for the Hicks charachter :(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: PsyKore on Feb 19, 2015, 10:16:58 AM
Post by: PsyKore on Feb 19, 2015, 10:16:58 AM
I'm pretty excited to see a new Alien film honestly. I can't help it.
Although, it would be silly to retcon Alien 3 because I feel her sacrifice is a much too significant point in the series. It would be such a slap in the face to ignore that.
Do what you like to Resurrection, however.
Although, it would be silly to retcon Alien 3 because I feel her sacrifice is a much too significant point in the series. It would be such a slap in the face to ignore that.
Do what you like to Resurrection, however.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 19, 2015, 10:27:55 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 19, 2015, 10:27:55 AM
You know the movie I would want to see, the one explaining how the derelict crashed on lv426. No humans, just alien on space jockey action and whatever other poor saps might be out there.
There is no way to retcon 3 or A|R. Time travel doesn't exist in the franchise.... I hope.
There is no way to retcon 3 or A|R. Time travel doesn't exist in the franchise.... I hope.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Everlasting Undead on Feb 19, 2015, 10:31:18 AM
Post by: Everlasting Undead on Feb 19, 2015, 10:31:18 AM
I'm pretty excited about this news, too. But like many, I don't think a reboot or a retcon is the way to go.
Pretty sure that Hicks could never meet up with Ripley again... Unless the conspiracy story in Colonial Marines is accepted as lore.
It shouldn't be.
Pretty sure that Hicks could never meet up with Ripley again... Unless the conspiracy story in Colonial Marines is accepted as lore.
It shouldn't be.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 10:50:41 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 10:50:41 AM
Quote from: Bay on Feb 19, 2015, 10:11:45 AM
I remember reading an interview where Michael Biehn stated that he did not want to return to the film franchise unless Cameron was involved (maybe was the terminator franchise, i'm not sure about this). Anyone remember this? It would be a pity to have another actor for the Hicks charachter :(
And Weaver wanted Ripley to die in Alien 3. Things change. :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: sean.sumner on Feb 19, 2015, 10:52:30 AM
Post by: sean.sumner on Feb 19, 2015, 10:52:30 AM
If Alien Colonial Marines was official cannon then Hicks is alive and well? As for Ripley she died in Alien 3, again fox cannon so any sequel involving these two is going to be messy story wise
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 10:56:04 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 10:56:04 AM
Biehn is too old to play Hicks now if you ask me. And I don't really wanna see the role recast.
Ripley did die in Alien 3. She wasn't Ripley any more when she came back.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 10:50:41 AMAnd Weaver wanted Ripley to die in Alien 3. Things change. :)
Ripley did die in Alien 3. She wasn't Ripley any more when she came back.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomorphine on Feb 19, 2015, 11:01:15 AM
Post by: Xenomorphine on Feb 19, 2015, 11:01:15 AM
Quote from: Gazz on Feb 19, 2015, 12:59:22 AM
UPDATE: Neill Blomkamp's ALIEN movie will take place AFTER the events of PROMETHEUS 2.
It's an anonymous source and not a direct quote. My guess is that they actually meant that filming would commence after the 'Prometheus' sequel has wrapped.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 01:07:20 AM
In terms of taking lore from Prometheus into account...it'd probably just be the Engineers which we can't change. It's happened. That's what the Jockey's are now.
Not necessarily. I was saying for a long time that the Engineers could have simply been emulating their own creators or another, even more ancient, species. Or, alternatively, something symbolic of one - I always preferred the idea of the Space Jockey just being a ship's 'living' CPU, with the actual crew looking completely different. The excellent 'Farscape' did that.
It's totally plausible, considering that the Engineers clearly have a thing for working iconic art into event heir architecture.
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 01:53:47 AM
Bringing back Hicks would be weird and pointless - what was there to the character anyway?
A pragmatic character who could have backed up Ripley's version of events, for one. The third film was hampered by recycling the nobody-believes-Ripley-and-people-die-because-of-it thing. One of the major points of 'Aliens' was that the conclusion implied that was going to be a game-changer in the grand scheme of things, once they got home.
QuoteAmanda Ripley maybe.
Eh... The way that character was portrayed, was fine. The reason for her existence, however, still has yet to be reconciled with an explanation. :)
QuoteMake a film inspired by Isolation. Something that recaptures the essence of the original.
Tone-wise, maybe - lighting and set design. The rest? As a game, it works. As a movie, it would be fairly boring/predictable to watch what amounts to a two-hour extravaganza of someone running around corridors and hiding in lockers.
QuoteNo Queen alien either, let's not go down that route again.
So... No way for the Aliens to reproduce? Talk about devaluing their threat potential! :)
I'd love for it to finally be canonised that egg-transformation is a way to get a Queen, but that still includes the presence/threat of one - much like 'Alien 3' did.
Also, considering we have seen concept art of weapons being hauled around, you can bet some Aliens are going to be shot at and die. They need a way to reproduce.
On the other hand, if this does retcon the third and fourth films, we can perhaps bring back the possibility of any adult creature being able to turn into a Queen... The third movie meant that was no longer feasible, because Queens were 'born' that way (which wouldn't happen if any adult could simply turn into one). Bringing that possibility back would make the creatures a significant threat, once more - and maybe explain why the original film's creature was so lethargic.
It'll be like the early 1990s, all over again! :laugh:
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:28:41 AM
I don't think most people, the general audience, will care either way. As long as the story is done well and entertaining. It very easily could be done well, too. A malfunction in hypersleep is entirely plausible for any number of reasons. You don't even have to dwell on the notion of what is taking place.
Precisely. If the story's decent, nobody will care.
The only thing is, it's a gamble. A retcon always runs the risk of being worse than what it's hoping to replace. Dare I say it, but witness the Engineers versus original Space Jockey concept... I'm fairly sure most people who saw it wished they had just kept it the same.
If it's a good film, though, nobody will mind if it means the third and fourth films are no longer 'true'. It wouldn't even have to be superior to have that effect. Just equal to them.
QuoteAlternatively, you set the story after the events of Resurrection, which doesn't really interest me very much personally. It's so far removed from what made the series interesting to me, and that version of Ripley has little to do with the woman I cared about for the three previous films. If there's a Ripley to show the audience, it's the Ripley who survived the first two films, not the Ripley who had very little of her humanity.
I'd actually like it, personally. It'd essentially be like 'The Fly 2', where we can never tell when her Alien psychology and DNA might assert itself, which could make for some great drama if it's handled well/respectfully.
There is also still the matter of not knowing what happened to Ripley 7.
QuoteBesides, this is shallow, but I really like the idea of seeing a PTSD suffering, alcoholic, and older Hicks fighting the aliens again. There's just something about exploring that character in those terms, especially if they get Michael Biehn back to do the role, that appeals to me.
Agreed. I really liked how he was portrayed in the first two comics - which I suspect is what's heavily influencing this story and resulting concept art.
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:42:37 AM
The concept art seems to take Ripley 8 a stage further and puts her in an alien costume. Looks very daft.
No more daft than the Engineers. :P If anything, it looks like that concept might directly involve that technology.
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 02:58:26 AM
I don't think they would be interested in Ripley and Hicks being the protagonists of the story, either, modern generations don't know those characters.
I honestly can't think of a single person who hasn't watched 'Aliens'... Just look at all the hype and hope which surrounded 'Colonial Marines', back when people still thought it might be good. Whether or not this could turn out well, there's no way people won't remember who Hicks is.
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 19, 2015, 04:28:34 AM
you mean Gigeresque? ^^ that already exists, and is called Deacon
The Deacon was a poor Roger Corman-esque imitation... I can never look at it and not feel unintentionally amused. :)
Quote from: sean.sumner on Feb 19, 2015, 10:52:30 AM
If Alien Colonial Marines was official cannon then Hicks is alive and well? As for Ripley she died in Alien 3, again fox cannon so any sequel involving these two is going to be messy story wise
In fairness, we don't actually know that.
I've said before, that we could just as easily be seeing concept art of Ripley 'doing a Sarah Connor'. In the extended version of 'Terminator 2', the character has dreams about Kyle (played by the same actor) helping her to get out of a bad situation.
Now, that'd be easy enough to do with Ripley dreaming about Hicks, but we know Ripley 8 had a lot of genetic memories locked up. It would be interesting if something happened (whether accidentally or deliberately) to make her hallucinate him. I could see that working as an intriguing sub-plot. Would go some way to explaining why he's injured and dressed in that way, also, as those would effectively be her last (semi-distorted) memories of how he was.
So, that's a way it could possibly be set after 'Alien Resurrection'. Either Hicks is part of a dream or he's an active hallucination (possibly with Ripley being fully aware of such).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Karl on Feb 19, 2015, 11:03:42 AM
Post by: Karl on Feb 19, 2015, 11:03:42 AM
Alien is officially the most resilient franchise there is. ;D It just keeps getting new chances despite several misfires.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Doggo33 on Feb 19, 2015, 11:05:04 AM
Post by: Doggo33 on Feb 19, 2015, 11:05:04 AM
The statement that it will take place after 'Prometheus 2' only makes me question whether they'll tie in 'Prometheus' with 'Alien', and I sincereley hope they don't. Obviously, that's already what's being done with the 'Prometheus' franchise but I'd much prefer to ignore it, for it is so awful and destructive of the 'Alien' franchise.
This does in fact also suggest that the film will take place before 'Alien'. This is quite irritating since the only need for another film is to finish the series that left Clone Ripley and others on a desolate Earth. That was really why it was brought up in the first place. Otherwise it is just exploiting the franchise.
This does in fact also suggest that the film will take place before 'Alien'. This is quite irritating since the only need for another film is to finish the series that left Clone Ripley and others on a desolate Earth. That was really why it was brought up in the first place. Otherwise it is just exploiting the franchise.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ulfer on Feb 19, 2015, 11:06:30 AM
Post by: Ulfer on Feb 19, 2015, 11:06:30 AM
So there will be another Alien movie. So be it.
But it's going to be hard work. What do I except from a new Alien movie ? Novelty, originality, and quality. Problem : in what regards the xenomorph itself, there is not very much to tell or to see now in the context of a movie in terms of originality. I mean, look : the human/xeno and the xeno/human hybrids have been done. Characters discovering alien eggs and being impregnated ? It's not new. The presence of traditional xenos can satisfy the hyperfans, maybe. But we need other things.
A movie is not a video game, where a really good variation of Alien (Alien Isolation) or Aliens (through the old AvP games) is possible.
Prometheus has begun to extend a bit the Alien universe and although the movie has been a great disappointment for me when I consider what it could have been, I have still hope for Prometheus 2.
I hope that these two future movies bring wonder and stupefaction. We've seen Interstellar, now, after all.
But it's going to be hard work. What do I except from a new Alien movie ? Novelty, originality, and quality. Problem : in what regards the xenomorph itself, there is not very much to tell or to see now in the context of a movie in terms of originality. I mean, look : the human/xeno and the xeno/human hybrids have been done. Characters discovering alien eggs and being impregnated ? It's not new. The presence of traditional xenos can satisfy the hyperfans, maybe. But we need other things.
A movie is not a video game, where a really good variation of Alien (Alien Isolation) or Aliens (through the old AvP games) is possible.
Prometheus has begun to extend a bit the Alien universe and although the movie has been a great disappointment for me when I consider what it could have been, I have still hope for Prometheus 2.
I hope that these two future movies bring wonder and stupefaction. We've seen Interstellar, now, after all.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: JPredator on Feb 19, 2015, 11:12:02 AM
Post by: JPredator on Feb 19, 2015, 11:12:02 AM
concgrats to blomkamp for getting the job. the way he used social media to get him noticed is genious. 'hey guys heres some art but i dont think it will ever happen...look ripley and hicks'. then let the fans do all the work.....absolutley genious.
very excited but still dont know if hes a good fit for alien. his past work demonstrates a great talent for world building but not much else. i actually think he would be a better fit for an alien vs predator film. still hes a better choice then whedon/jeunett
i think the best place to go for this film would be to explore the company. why does it want the xenomorph? what is the world of alien like when we are away from the hostile environments? Blomkamp would defo be suited to a corporate espionage type tale.
also cant wait to see sharlt copley as an android (u know this is def gna happen).
this film cant follow alien resurection because that would mean the company is wallmart.....no thanks.
also the fact that ripley and hicks were featured in the concept art is prob the reason why its gaines so much attention. i think it will be a retcon or sorts.
my wishes: no time travel element to explain why hicks and ripley are together.
no continutation of alien resurection.
i dont care if the films is a retcon as long as its a great alien film. dont retcon alien 3 and 4 unless u are damn sure your making a film that is nothing short of great.
very excited but still dont know if hes a good fit for alien. his past work demonstrates a great talent for world building but not much else. i actually think he would be a better fit for an alien vs predator film. still hes a better choice then whedon/jeunett
i think the best place to go for this film would be to explore the company. why does it want the xenomorph? what is the world of alien like when we are away from the hostile environments? Blomkamp would defo be suited to a corporate espionage type tale.
also cant wait to see sharlt copley as an android (u know this is def gna happen).
this film cant follow alien resurection because that would mean the company is wallmart.....no thanks.
also the fact that ripley and hicks were featured in the concept art is prob the reason why its gaines so much attention. i think it will be a retcon or sorts.
my wishes: no time travel element to explain why hicks and ripley are together.
no continutation of alien resurection.
i dont care if the films is a retcon as long as its a great alien film. dont retcon alien 3 and 4 unless u are damn sure your making a film that is nothing short of great.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 11:19:00 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 11:19:00 AM
Quote from: JPredator on Feb 19, 2015, 11:12:02 AMalso cant wait to see sharlt copley as an android (u know this is def gna happen).
That's a good call actually! You know he's gonna be in it somewhere.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 11:36:48 AM
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 11:36:48 AM
I think that a T-800s going to show up on the Evac Ship and save Ripley, Hicks and Newt - they go with him because they want to live.
I don't like this idea at all - I'm in Team Retcon, but this really does make a lot of sense. For me, A:R left such a foul taste in my mouth, I want it retconned out of existence, but the idea here has a lot of merit. Kudos!
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 19, 2015, 11:01:15 AM
Now, that'd be easy enough to do with Ripley dreaming about Hicks, but we know Ripley 8 had a lot of genetic memories locked up. It would be interesting if something happened (whether accidentally or deliberately) to make her hallucinate him. I could see that working as an intriguing sub-plot. Would go some way to explaining why he's injured and dressed in that way, also, as those would effectively be her last (semi-distorted) memories of how he was.
So, that's a way it could possibly be set after 'Alien Resurrection'. Either Hicks is part of a dream or he's an active hallucination (possibly with Ripley being fully aware of such).
I don't like this idea at all - I'm in Team Retcon, but this really does make a lot of sense. For me, A:R left such a foul taste in my mouth, I want it retconned out of existence, but the idea here has a lot of merit. Kudos!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 19, 2015, 11:56:41 AM
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 19, 2015, 11:56:41 AM
"District 9" was really good. "Elyisum" had good ideas but the execution was off in parts. "Chappie" looks like it's trying to hard to be "Short Circuit 3". But Neil is a good up and coming Sci-Fi Director. Both the previous Director's didn't have Sci-Fi background so this is good. I'm excited that he took a chance with that concept art and treatment. I'm also sure he was talking to Sigorney about it since she is in his next film "Chappie". Speaking of my Girl Ripley, she looks GREAT:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 11:57:18 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 11:57:18 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 10:56:04 AM
Biehn is too old to play Hicks now if you ask me. And I don't really wanna see the role recast.
That depends entirely on the nature of the Hicks role. I've seen him in some of his roles lately, and although many of the movies he's been in as of late have been... Not so great. He has the chops for it still.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 10:56:04 AM
Ripley did die in Alien 3. She wasn't Ripley any more when she came back.
Well, that's not exactly my point. Weaver apparently changed her mind and was willing to come back. Whether it was down to the size of the paycheck, or what, i'm not sure.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 19, 2015, 11:01:15 AM
A pragmatic character who could have backed up Ripley's version of events, for one. The third film was hampered by recycling the nobody-believes-Ripley-and-people-die-because-of-it thing. One of the major points of 'Aliens' was that the conclusion implied that was going to be a game-changer in the grand scheme of things, once they got home.
Exactly.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 19, 2015, 11:01:15 AMQuoteAmanda Ripley maybe.
Eh... The way that character was portrayed, was fine. The reason for her existence, however, still has yet to be reconciled with an explanation. :)
Could you clarify what you mean by "reason" ?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Shuriken on Feb 19, 2015, 11:59:04 AM
Post by: The Shuriken on Feb 19, 2015, 11:59:04 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 12:49:04 AMQuote from: Chronicle on Feb 19, 2015, 12:44:21 AM
Prometheus can kiss my little ass goodbye.
I'll laugh if Fox decides to stop the Prometheus sequel in favor for Alien V.
Ya know I've had that same thought like...1 minute after I saw the news, I hope it doesn't happen since there are fans waiting to see it. But I honestly wouldn't put it past Fox.
Either way, pretty exciting news, guess fan reactions to all of Neil's art got the gears turning, or maybe they already had a plan, and the concept art making its way to the internet was a way to test the waters?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 12:01:34 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 12:01:34 PM
Quote from: The Shuriken on Feb 19, 2015, 11:59:04 AM
Either way, pretty exciting news, guess fan reactions to all of Neil's art got the gears turning, or maybe they already had a plan, and the concept art making its way to the internet was a way to test the waters?
You have passed the aptitude test for Weyland Yutani. Congratulations and welcome aboard. *lol*
That's really interesting idea - I don't know, but you wouldn't put it past them, would you!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 19, 2015, 12:11:29 PM
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 19, 2015, 12:11:29 PM
After what happen in the last "X Men" and "Star Trek" movies, I wouldn't be shocked by an "Alternate-Timeline" concept. Therefor yes guys, 3 and 4 might not be safe. Basically it's like this:
Alien----------------------------------------------Aliens------------------------------------------Alien 3------------------------------------------Alien: R
Alternate-timeline----------------------------------------Alien 5 (Takes Place after Aliens)
Alien----------------------------------------------Aliens------------------------------------------Alien 3------------------------------------------Alien: R
Alternate-timeline----------------------------------------Alien 5 (Takes Place after Aliens)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 12:15:05 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 12:15:05 PM
Eugh the last X-Men film was a joke. They didn't even attempt to explain how Xavier is suddenly alive again. It was almost insulting to the audience's intelligence, like they were just expecting no one to question it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:19:20 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:19:20 PM
The possibility of multiple realities/timelines is long established in those properties. I really loathe the idea for Aliens.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 12:29:40 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 12:29:40 PM
Stickied this because yeah, it's kind of important. After my initial wave of enthusiasm, I had the time to think some of this through.
Undoubtely, Blomkamp can definitely nail the dry and dirty style of the first two films -- not to mention that he uses a combination of practical and digital effects that are overall very convincing (just look at District 9, one of the best examples of creature effects in a decade). Very probably the new film will feel like a sequel to them, at least visually.
I love both Alien3 and Alien: Resurrection, I really do -- but I am not particularly opposed to a film that starts anew after Aliens at all. It just needs a solid script to be built on. This brings me to the concept art -- which, mostly, looks pretty promising. Love the Queen in the simulated-jungle facility, and the Derelict-type ship in the hangar (which is more accurate to Giger's designs than the ones in Prometheus!). I don't really like Ripley in the 'Alien-suit', however. If that idea remains in the film, my impression on it will be obviously based on its actual role.
Nothing more than wishful thinking at this point, but I would love it if they estabilished the Derelict Pilot as an actual otherwordly being as opposed to a member of the Engineer race. Very doubtful, but that would really bring it all full circle.
Undoubtely, Blomkamp can definitely nail the dry and dirty style of the first two films -- not to mention that he uses a combination of practical and digital effects that are overall very convincing (just look at District 9, one of the best examples of creature effects in a decade). Very probably the new film will feel like a sequel to them, at least visually.
I love both Alien3 and Alien: Resurrection, I really do -- but I am not particularly opposed to a film that starts anew after Aliens at all. It just needs a solid script to be built on. This brings me to the concept art -- which, mostly, looks pretty promising. Love the Queen in the simulated-jungle facility, and the Derelict-type ship in the hangar (which is more accurate to Giger's designs than the ones in Prometheus!). I don't really like Ripley in the 'Alien-suit', however. If that idea remains in the film, my impression on it will be obviously based on its actual role.
Nothing more than wishful thinking at this point, but I would love it if they estabilished the Derelict Pilot as an actual otherwordly being as opposed to a member of the Engineer race. Very doubtful, but that would really bring it all full circle.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:38:23 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:38:23 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 12:29:40 PM
Nothing more than wishful thinking at this point, but I would love it if they estabilished the Derelict Pilot as an actual otherwordly being as opposed to a member of the Engineer race. Very doubtful, but that would really bring it all full circle.
I'd think that's unlikely as that was the point of Prometheus. And with Scott producing this alongside Prometheus 2, I expect to see them complimenting each other.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 12:39:03 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 12:39:03 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 12:29:40 PMAfter my initial wave of enthusiasm, I had the time to think some of this through.
The more I think about it the more I realise my feelings are very mixed.
On the one hand, District 9 is possibly my favourite film made in the last decade, it was such an incredible experience. And I even liked Elysium a lot, so I'm really excited to see what Blomkamp can do.
On the other hand, I don't like the idea of Hicks being in it. I can't see any sensible way of that happening without either a ludicrous shoehorn or a total retcon, neither of which I want to see. I also don't like that silly Alien helmet artwork.
Until we get some more details I really don't know what to feel about where this might be going.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Spooky Baz on Feb 19, 2015, 12:39:40 PM
Post by: Spooky Baz on Feb 19, 2015, 12:39:40 PM
Exciting times to be an Alien/Predator fan indeed. What with a Scott-helmed Prometheus 2, a Black-helmed Predator film and now this. All we need now is a Duncan Jones AvP film and I'll be on cloud nine.
Re the shared universe thing, I'm all for it. As far as I see it, the films needn't be bogged down in continuity from sister-films - as long as they can stand alone on their own story, then I see no reason why we can't cross-reference them in some small way; akin to the skull in P2 perhaps. It's this world-building aspect that has always excited me. I'd guess Fox think similarly as Hollywood has a massive erection for shared universes at the moment.
I'd rather not see Ripley 8, but then I'm not keen on Alien 3 or Resurrection being consigned to the dustbin either, as Alien 3 in particular still has it's good points. The best solution to my mind is to not include Ripley at all and revert to having real human beings being the protagonists. Looks like that ain't happening though. Ce la vie.
Re the shared universe thing, I'm all for it. As far as I see it, the films needn't be bogged down in continuity from sister-films - as long as they can stand alone on their own story, then I see no reason why we can't cross-reference them in some small way; akin to the skull in P2 perhaps. It's this world-building aspect that has always excited me. I'd guess Fox think similarly as Hollywood has a massive erection for shared universes at the moment.
I'd rather not see Ripley 8, but then I'm not keen on Alien 3 or Resurrection being consigned to the dustbin either, as Alien 3 in particular still has it's good points. The best solution to my mind is to not include Ripley at all and revert to having real human beings being the protagonists. Looks like that ain't happening though. Ce la vie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:42:26 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 12:39:03 PM
Until we get some more details I really don't know what to feel about where this might be going.
Completely agree. It's an exciting prospect to be getting a new Alien film but until we get more concrete details...we'll naturally feel cautious.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 12:44:29 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 12:44:29 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:42:26 PMCompletely agree. It's an exciting prospect to be getting a new Alien film but until we get more concrete details...we'll naturally feel cautious.
Also, in the back of my mind there's the knowledge that I was ludicrously excited for Prometheus, which seemed to have everything going for it, but then ended up being a huge disappointment for me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 12:47:51 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 12:47:51 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:38:23 PMI know, that's why I labeled it as wishful thinking. But you never know, you know. After all, Blomkamp seems to be a big enthusiast of the original films.
I'd think that's unlikely as that was the point of Prometheus. And with Scott producing this alongside Prometheus 2, I expect to see them complimenting each other.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:42:26 PMAlso agreed. We need more data to work from.Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 12:39:03 PM
Until we get some more details I really don't know what to feel about where this might be going.
Completely agree. It's an exciting prospect to be getting a new Alien film but until we get more concrete details...we'll naturally feel cautious.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 12:50:50 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 12:50:50 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 12:47:51 PM
Also agreed. We need more data to work from.
So... Still collating? :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: irn on Feb 19, 2015, 12:54:08 PM
Post by: irn on Feb 19, 2015, 12:54:08 PM
I'm massively excited about this! This news had made my day! :D
However Fox, if you're reading this, PLEASE DO NOT RETCON ALIEN 3!
However Fox, if you're reading this, PLEASE DO NOT RETCON ALIEN 3!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 19, 2015, 12:56:02 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 19, 2015, 12:56:02 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 12:44:29 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:42:26 PMCompletely agree. It's an exciting prospect to be getting a new Alien film but until we get more concrete details...we'll naturally feel cautious.
Also, in the back of my mind there's the knowledge that I was ludicrously excited for Prometheus, which seemed to have everything going for it, but then ended up being a huge disappointment for me.
Rarely (if ever) been as hyped for a film than I was with Prometheus. Even if I watched that trailer today, I'd still think "wow, that looks amazing!". Still can't believe Ridley messed that up... :(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Its Auto on Feb 19, 2015, 01:06:20 PM
Post by: Its Auto on Feb 19, 2015, 01:06:20 PM
Right here, right now, this director has the opportunity to set the franchise canon straight. I am excited, but I already have a gut feeling that it is going to be a missed opportunity. Here's my thought; How about we have a new 'Aliens' sequel while NOT retconning 'Alien 3', but instead, correcting the continuity errors?
Hear me out; This movie could take place AFTER 'Aliens', where Ripley, Newt and Hicks made it home safe.
*Insert awesome story right here, which includes aesthetics and technology which match that seen in Aliens (in the same way Isolation mimics the aesthetics of Alien), includes a soundtrack which matches the horror of the first movie, with the action and adrenaline of the second, a story where the characters are presented with an ordeal so pressing that Riply and Hicks cannot ignore, leaving Newt safely at Gateway (as responsible parents would), as they steal the Sulaco, along with the deactivated carcass of Bishop (as the only proof of what has happened) with a group of others and head on into the story. But hold onto your butts, after a rollercoaster ride of horror and shocking revelations, Wey-Yu shows up with Newt as leverage to stop Ripley on what she is about to do *insert further awesome story here* and it all ends with Ripley, Newt, a badly beaten up Hicks, and the deactivated Bishop that hasnt been part of the story but was left on the ship, all asleep in the CIVILIAN Cryo-bay (ya know, where they would have transported all those LV-426 colonists they were gonna rescue) as the camera pans to a pulsating superhugger egg, which got there in perfectly plausible means thanks to an earlier scene in the movie XD
The end.
Hear me out; This movie could take place AFTER 'Aliens', where Ripley, Newt and Hicks made it home safe.
*Insert awesome story right here, which includes aesthetics and technology which match that seen in Aliens (in the same way Isolation mimics the aesthetics of Alien), includes a soundtrack which matches the horror of the first movie, with the action and adrenaline of the second, a story where the characters are presented with an ordeal so pressing that Riply and Hicks cannot ignore, leaving Newt safely at Gateway (as responsible parents would), as they steal the Sulaco, along with the deactivated carcass of Bishop (as the only proof of what has happened) with a group of others and head on into the story. But hold onto your butts, after a rollercoaster ride of horror and shocking revelations, Wey-Yu shows up with Newt as leverage to stop Ripley on what she is about to do *insert further awesome story here* and it all ends with Ripley, Newt, a badly beaten up Hicks, and the deactivated Bishop that hasnt been part of the story but was left on the ship, all asleep in the CIVILIAN Cryo-bay (ya know, where they would have transported all those LV-426 colonists they were gonna rescue) as the camera pans to a pulsating superhugger egg, which got there in perfectly plausible means thanks to an earlier scene in the movie XD
The end.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 01:09:06 PM
Post by: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 01:09:06 PM
The concept art may have given away some beats from the movie. Why would Ripley clad herself in explosives? Because, if she is a hybrid whose DNA can integrate with Alien technology then The Company would consider her an extremely valuable asset. District 9 again then...
What if this movie is essentially an alternative Alien 4? WY clone Ripley for her DNA. Hicks was kidnapped from the Sulaco to provide first hand info to WY (okay, this is wonky but the only way to explain his being alive is through some convoluted style "The Dark Knight Rises Prologue" shenanigans.)
The movie would proceed (in a fairly unoriginal manner) fulfilling a wishlist of things from the Alien series. Giger Alien. Grungy hardcore sci-fi production design. Nightmarish terror. Pulse pounding thrills. Androids! Pulse Rifles! Sigourney! But if it is shot well, performed well, cut well and scored well then I'll take it. And, it won't necessarily negate Alien: Resurrection either as that film takes place so far in the future. In fact it makes the United Systems Military even more inept, ripping off ideas from ancient corporate entities. Producing multiple failed versions of a vastly superior original. Man, this stuff is just brimming with subtext... :D
What if this movie is essentially an alternative Alien 4? WY clone Ripley for her DNA. Hicks was kidnapped from the Sulaco to provide first hand info to WY (okay, this is wonky but the only way to explain his being alive is through some convoluted style "The Dark Knight Rises Prologue" shenanigans.)
The movie would proceed (in a fairly unoriginal manner) fulfilling a wishlist of things from the Alien series. Giger Alien. Grungy hardcore sci-fi production design. Nightmarish terror. Pulse pounding thrills. Androids! Pulse Rifles! Sigourney! But if it is shot well, performed well, cut well and scored well then I'll take it. And, it won't necessarily negate Alien: Resurrection either as that film takes place so far in the future. In fact it makes the United Systems Military even more inept, ripping off ideas from ancient corporate entities. Producing multiple failed versions of a vastly superior original. Man, this stuff is just brimming with subtext... :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 01:44:52 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 01:44:52 PM
I'm thrilled! Honestly, I love Blomkamp and really want to see this.
You mean a movie where Hicks, Newt, and Bishop survive?
Quote from: Its Auto on Feb 19, 2015, 01:06:20 PM
Right here, right now, this director has the opportunity to set the franchise canon straight. I am excited, but I already have a gut feeling that it is going to be a missed opportunity. Here's my thought; How about we have a new 'Aliens' sequel while NOT retconning 'Alien 3', but instead, correcting the continuity errors?
You mean a movie where Hicks, Newt, and Bishop survive?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 01:51:50 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 01:09:06 PM
The concept art may have given away some beats from the movie. Why would Ripley clad herself in explosives? Because, if she is a hybrid whose DNA can integrate with Alien technology then The Company would consider her an extremely valuable asset. District 9 again then...
All of your points are very interesting, but something about this one actually rings quite true to me somehow. At the very least these are some very astute observations. :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: stroggificated on Feb 19, 2015, 01:53:22 PM
Post by: stroggificated on Feb 19, 2015, 01:53:22 PM
After Prometheus i'll never be hyped for an Alien movie. There's certainly something to f**k it up again.
Stupid dialogues, even more fleshier Aliens, plotholes you can't ignore, etc.
When does it even air? 2020? f**k it.
Stupid dialogues, even more fleshier Aliens, plotholes you can't ignore, etc.
When does it even air? 2020? f**k it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:01:52 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:01:52 PM
Quote from: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 01:09:06 PM
The movie would proceed (in a fairly unoriginal manner) fulfilling a wishlist of things from the Alien series. Giger Alien. Grungy hardcore sci-fi production design. Nightmarish terror. Pulse pounding thrills. Androids! Pulse Rifles! Sigourney! But if it is shot well, performed well, cut well and scored well then I'll take it. And, it won't necessarily negate Alien: Resurrection either as that film takes place so far in the future. In fact it makes the United Systems Military even more inept, ripping off ideas from ancient corporate entities. Producing multiple failed versions of a vastly superior original. Man, this stuff is just brimming with subtext... :D
It's hard to go back to the formula of the original film I think because people expect an action film in the vein of Aliens. And considering Neil's concept art showed off a Queen, I'm sure that's what we'll get.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 02:05:50 PM
Post by: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 02:05:50 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 01:51:50 PMQuote from: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 01:09:06 PM
The concept art may have given away some beats from the movie. Why would Ripley clad herself in explosives? Because, if she is a hybrid whose DNA can integrate with Alien technology then The Company would consider her an extremely valuable asset. District 9 again then...
All of your points are very interesting, but something about this one actually rings quite true to me somehow. At the very least these are some very astute observations. :)
The Space Jockey Suit Ripley will probably also serve the same purpose as District 9. Third act final battle, Ripley engages the Queen, multiple Aliens and corporate stormtroopers whilst wearing a strength and agility enhancing exo-suit. An idea that I'm not overly fond of. But Hollywood sees bank in superheroes so lets turn Ripley into Ubermorph...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:01:52 PM
It's hard to go back to the formula of the original film I think because people expect an action film in the vein of Aliens. And considering Neil's concept art showed off a Queen, I'm sure that's what we'll get.
I think there is room for a tense claustrophobic second act which could deliver on the horror and suspense of ALIEN, whilst the third act can change gears and ramp up into ALIENS territory.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 02:07:01 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 02:07:01 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 08:28:34 AM
I'd like to see it explore Ripley 8. I genuinely think her character was the best thing about Resurrection. Her mix with the Aliens allows for something for Weaver to dig into and for the writer to explore. It gives it the potential to actually move forward and not simply repeat the formula of the previous films. I just want it to close off the Ripley story so the franchise can move forward.
This is the only way which I think they should finish the franchise. Heavily in agreement here.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 02:09:28 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 02:09:28 PM
Just read this on Den of Geek in the comments section:
Which, annoyingly, is good food for thought.
Quote"This film will need a big budget and to qualify for that, it will need to tick a lot of boxes to keep investors happy. Expect a family-friendly 13-rated safe-bet action film rather than the hard-hitting tone of the originals. That era of film making is gone. We're in the era of rapid ROI and low risk investment. They absolutely will not do this properly because of Dredd and Watchmen, they'll play safe and we'll get yet another "meh" Alien film. And it will have to be this way because, as Ridley Scott himself said, his "dragon" has gone to Disneyland. Good luck Blomkamp, you're gonna need it."
Which, annoyingly, is good food for thought.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:11:17 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:11:17 PM
I really seriously hope not.
The glimmer of hope I have is Blomkamp's first two films were hard R.
The glimmer of hope I have is Blomkamp's first two films were hard R.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: swarm87 on Feb 19, 2015, 02:12:47 PM
Post by: swarm87 on Feb 19, 2015, 02:12:47 PM
pg-13 alien movie with liberal message here we come
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 02:17:46 PM
Post by: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 02:09:28 PM
Just read this on Den of Geek in the comments section:Quote"This film will need a big budget and to qualify for that, it will need to tick a lot of boxes to keep investors happy. Expect a family-friendly 13-rated safe-bet action film rather than the hard-hitting tone of the originals. That era of film making is gone. We're in the era of rapid ROI and low risk investment. They absolutely will not do this properly because of Dredd and Watchmen, they'll play safe and we'll get yet another "meh" Alien film. And it will have to be this way because, as Ridley Scott himself said, his "dragon" has gone to Disneyland. Good luck Blomkamp, you're gonna need it."
Which, annoyingly, is good food for thought.
The studio will go for an R-rated movie, if Blomkamp can bring the picture in for a reasonable budget. The recent "Riddick" movie was shot for a modest budget and maintained that R-rated spirit of the 80's. Even Blomkamp's own "Elysium" maintained the flavour of that spirit. And that was made on a considerably bigger budget. Fox have greenlit an R-rated "Deadpool" film for a modest budget.
If Blomkamp can use some ingenuity, he can pull off a lot with a mid-level budget. Cameron made $18 mil look like $100 mil. This keeps the studio happy regarding a return on their investment and should engender some respect with the fan base. Of course, Fox tried this technique with AVP: R under the Rothman regime. I have more respect for the current brass at Fox and respect Blomkamp as a filmmaker infinitely more than the Strause Brothers.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 19, 2015, 02:18:20 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 19, 2015, 02:18:20 PM
If Blomkamp ditches Ripley for all new characters, I'm happy with that.
If he wants to do a Superman Returns and ignore Alien 3 and 4, I'm happy with that. The third movie had little regard for continuity or concern with the second film, and is applauded for doing so by its fans. So bring it.
If he wants to do a Superman Returns and ignore Alien 3 and 4, I'm happy with that. The third movie had little regard for continuity or concern with the second film, and is applauded for doing so by its fans. So bring it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 02:29:00 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 02:29:00 PM
Quote from: swarm87 on Feb 19, 2015, 02:12:47 PM
pg-13 alien movie with liberal message here we come
Because every Alien movie and every Blomkamp movie has been PG-13 so far.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 19, 2015, 02:18:20 PM
If Blomkamp ditches Ripley for all new characters, I'm happy with that.
If he wants to do a Superman Returns and ignore Alien 3 and 4, I'm happy with that. The third movie had little regard for continuity or concern with the second film, and is applauded for doing so by its fans. So bring it.
Fair. :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:30:52 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:30:52 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 02:29:00 PMBecause every Alien movie and every Blomkamp movie has been PG-13 so far.
In fairness, off the back of Event Horizon, Soldier and Resident Evil, who would've thought AVP would be PG-13...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:32:59 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:32:59 PM
Quote from: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 02:05:50 PM
The Space Jockey Suit Ripley will probably also serve the same purpose as District 9. Third act final battle, Ripley engages the Queen, multiple Aliens and corporate stormtroopers whilst wearing a strength and agility enhancing exo-suit. An idea that I'm not overly fond of. But Hollywood sees bank in superheroes so lets turn Ripley into Ubermorph...
Again, that really does fit the pieces of the concept art and Blomkamp's previous efforts... And it ties in nicely with Ridley Scott's Prometheus stuff.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:30:52 PM
In fairness, off the back of Event Horizon, Soldier and Resident Evil, who would've thought AVP would be PG-13...
...Sadly true. Somehow, though, I doubt Fox is gonna go PG-13 on this one, though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 19, 2015, 02:39:40 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 19, 2015, 02:39:40 PM
Well, another future cr*p to add to the series unless there's a miracle and blomkamp happen to be a good director.
I don't count too much on that though.
I don't count too much on that though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:41:27 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:41:27 PM
Quote from: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 02:17:46 PM
If Blomkamp can use some ingenuity, he can pull off a lot with a mid-level budget. Cameron made $18 mil look like $100 mil. This keeps the studio happy regarding a return on their investment and should engender some respect with the fan base. Of course, Fox tried this technique with AVP: R under the Rothman regime. I have more respect for the current brass at Fox and respect Blomkamp as a filmmaker infinitely more than the Strause Brothers.
Cameron did it at a time when movie's didn't cost as much to make. Everything's more expensive today. I don't think Fox will be stingy with their budget because Blomkamp is an established director and a money-maker.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:14 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:14 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:41:27 PMCameron did it at a time when movie's didn't cost as much to make. Everything's more expensive today.
Steven Seagal's direct-to-video career seems to disagree with you... :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: dallevalle on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:32 PM
Post by: dallevalle on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:32 PM
I am so happy !!!!!
this is gonna be great :D alien 5 and prometheus 2 holy balls we are getting spoiled now !
just give me a predator 3 with arnold and my life is complete :)
this is gonna be great :D alien 5 and prometheus 2 holy balls we are getting spoiled now !
just give me a predator 3 with arnold and my life is complete :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 02:45:45 PM
Post by: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 02:45:45 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:30:52 PM
In fairness, off the back of Event Horizon, Soldier and Resident Evil, who would've thought AVP would be PG-13...
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:32:59 PM
...Sadly true. Somehow, though, I doubt Fox is gonna go PG-13 on this one, though.
Agreed. The people at Fox now are a bit more savvy. This whole project has essentially been greenlit by the force of the outspoken fanbase via the internet. As a studio, they are not going to suddenly piss off that fanbase. Ever since Tom Rothman left Fox, the quality of their films has slowly increased. Form the revived X-Men franchise to the new Planet of the Apes series. The Deadpool movie was greenlit in much the same way as Blomkamp's Alien. And given a R rating because thats what the fans demanded.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:41:27 PM
Cameron did it at a time when movie's didn't cost as much to make. Everything's more expensive today. I don't think Fox will be stingy with their budget because Blomkamp is an established director and a money-maker.
Relatively speaking, adjusting for inflation Cameron made the movie for the cost of a mid level budget movie these days. I think Return of the Jedi probably came in at around $30 odd mil which, in moviemaking terms, is equivalent to a $100mil+ budget these days. The art of movie making is only overly expensive in the hands of an inexperienced film maker who feels the need to use a $50, 000 fx shot every five frames, when a $1000 painting and puppet could probably achieve the same effect! ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:46:38 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:46:38 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:14 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:41:27 PMCameron did it at a time when movie's didn't cost as much to make. Everything's more expensive today.
Steven Seagal's direct-to-video career seems to disagree with you... :P
Lol, I don't think those films cost much to make.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 02:48:07 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 02:48:07 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 04:03:44 AMGridseeker as much as I do like the alternate universe/alternate canon idea... I just do not see Fox adopting that idea. Not to mention for whatever reason, as unfounded as it is, seems to really not sit well with fans as it wouldn't erase anything.Not saying it would be a comic book where there are dozens of alternate universes interacting or anything... I'm simply referring to a different canon independent from the Alien series.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 12:15:05 PMEugh the last X-Men film was a joke. They didn't even attempt to explain how Xavier is suddenly alive again. It was almost insulting to the audience's intelligence, like they were just expecting no one to question it.Lol, we all know how he survived.
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 19, 2015, 06:44:50 AMHaters gonna hate ;)Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2015, 06:42:14 AM
We won't. Blomkamp's a good director.
Just his ideas are the worst type of Aliens fanboy terrible if his art's anything to go by.
I hate a majority of fanfiction, and aliens fancfiction is no different, all of this retconing just reminds me of bad fanfiction
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 19, 2015, 03:03:18 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 19, 2015, 03:03:18 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:41:27 PMCameron did it at a time when movie's didn't cost as much to make. Everything's more expensive today.
Both right and wrong in this sentence.
Almost everything to make a movie (adjusted to inflation of course) actually cost much less than it did back in time.
A 10go usb card that can fill 1 minutes of raw files cost way less than 1 meter of film.
Same goes for camera, now companies eventually own them while back at the film era they only use to rent it due to the price.
Problem was, you rent it for one movie but as soon as you make another one you could have bought a camera.
But since studios didn't knew if they were ever going to make another movie they used to rent.
For all the expensive gear (microphone, tripods, crane, dolly, blablabla) not much has changed, they keep it so it doesn't cost anything at all.
Also, keep in mind they use to be a time, making lawrence of Arabia required 1000 figures to make a couple of shots. Each shot takes a day and you pay an average of 100$ each person. That's 100 000$ you're burning a day.
Today with modern computer, you pay 100 000$ and a bunch of VFX artists are going to make all the VFX of your film due to fixed bid which doesn't depends on the time spent to achieve a shot. It's very cost effective especially when you get subsidies.
What actually cost much more are the stars & marketing. And that's where the budget goes for your film.
Even adjusted with inflation there's a gap between what actors and directors used to be paid 50 years ago and how much they are being paid today.
Pay 10 000 000$ 5 stars and you already have a 50 000 000$ budget :D
Same thing with marketing. There was a time there weren't even trailers for film.
Now they make multiples, with posters everywhere and in all media (TV, Internet, local shop)
That is where your money is.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Feb 19, 2015, 03:27:45 PM
Post by: T Dog on Feb 19, 2015, 03:27:45 PM
I'm glad this is happening but I can't say that I'm excited about it yet.
I enjoyed District 9 and Elysium but many many behind the scenes things can still go wrong for this.
In agreement with what someone else said on here recently: Prometheus was probably the film that I've been most excited for in my entire life.
It turned out to be a bitter disappointment for me which has lead me to be cautiously optimistic but to really expect nothing from mainstream film-making anymore including this movie.
I hope Neil Blomkamp makes a great film though. It's simplistic/cliched story aside, Elysium had some great action and some great characters. The third act was spectacular despite a few plot-holes which I can overlook due to my general enjoyment of the movie and it's world.
I enjoyed District 9 and Elysium but many many behind the scenes things can still go wrong for this.
In agreement with what someone else said on here recently: Prometheus was probably the film that I've been most excited for in my entire life.
It turned out to be a bitter disappointment for me which has lead me to be cautiously optimistic but to really expect nothing from mainstream film-making anymore including this movie.
I hope Neil Blomkamp makes a great film though. It's simplistic/cliched story aside, Elysium had some great action and some great characters. The third act was spectacular despite a few plot-holes which I can overlook due to my general enjoyment of the movie and it's world.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: scarhunter92 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:52:12 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:52:12 PM
Really curious about this. Will LMAO hard if Fox moves forward with his retcon premise. I'm sure it will be better than Resurrection and both AvP films. He's the most appropiate pick for the franchise since Cameron (I like Alien 3, but Fincher was a nobody back then).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 03:55:45 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 03:55:45 PM
I really hope it is not going to be PG 13, I know gore doesn't make a film good but it is actually a part of the franchise, its what made the chestburster scene memorable after all and poor Veronica fainted :laugh: plus a lot of violence tends to get cut out as well.
I guess I would not mind too much with an Alien 3 retcon but personally I would rather it not, I think retconning would damage Ripley, her sacrifice and how gritty and horrible the universe is, and the message in it, Alien 3 showed us that anyone can die, protagonist or not. Don't get me wrong I would love Hicks back as much as the next fan but I think everyone is just getting too hung up over events that happned over a decade ago, s*** happens, people need to get over it, I did and I embrace Alien 3 as a legit part of the continuity, doesn't matter that the character we loved died, that just set the atmosphere for the film.
Plus a retcon, especially one that brings us Ripley and Hicks is just fanservice, nothing more.
I guess I would not mind too much with an Alien 3 retcon but personally I would rather it not, I think retconning would damage Ripley, her sacrifice and how gritty and horrible the universe is, and the message in it, Alien 3 showed us that anyone can die, protagonist or not. Don't get me wrong I would love Hicks back as much as the next fan but I think everyone is just getting too hung up over events that happned over a decade ago, s*** happens, people need to get over it, I did and I embrace Alien 3 as a legit part of the continuity, doesn't matter that the character we loved died, that just set the atmosphere for the film.
Plus a retcon, especially one that brings us Ripley and Hicks is just fanservice, nothing more.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 19, 2015, 04:09:25 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 19, 2015, 04:09:25 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:30:52 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 02:29:00 PMBecause every Alien movie and every Blomkamp movie has been PG-13 so far.
In fairness, off the back of Event Horizon, Soldier and Resident Evil, who would've thought AVP would be PG-13...
Blomkamp said he wouldn't make this film unless it was on his own terms.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 04:11:36 PM
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 04:11:36 PM
So fricking glad Hicks isn't coming back. My guess P2 will carry on with the engineers and introduce the Alien fully, the Blomkamp will make an Alien film that directly relates to the original
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 19, 2015, 04:14:57 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 19, 2015, 04:14:57 PM
Quote from: Corporal HicksFollowing all the recent news regarding the potential Alien 5 project by District 9 and Chappie helmer Neil Blomkamp, he posted a piece of H.R Giger's concept artwork for Alien on his Instragram with the notation "I think it's officially my next film. #alien".
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/02/19/blomkamps-alien-5-official/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/02/19/blomkamps-alien-5-official/)
*Neill Blomkamp
Two "L"'s Corporal. ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 04:15:16 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 04:15:16 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 04:11:36 PMMy guess P2 will carry on with the engineers and introduce the Alien fully
People keep saying this, yet Scott has made it clear the Prometheus sequel will have even less to do with the Alien than the first one.
Given that they're now making a bonafide Alien film as well, that seems entirely likely.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Space Sweeper on Feb 19, 2015, 04:20:06 PM
Post by: Space Sweeper on Feb 19, 2015, 04:20:06 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 19, 2015, 02:18:20 PMOn. f**king. Point.
If Blomkamp ditches Ripley for all new characters, I'm happy with that.
If he wants to do a Superman Returns and ignore Alien 3 and 4, I'm happy with that. The third movie had little regard for continuity or concern with the second film, and is applauded for doing so by its fans. So bring it.
I've stopped caring, and I've recently been spoiled when it comes to this franchise with Alien Isolation, just after it got as seemingly bad as it could possibly get with Colon Marines, so now it's basically win/win/whatever for me, and the tears of all others are delicious. Num num num.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 04:23:48 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 04:23:48 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 04:11:36 PM
So fricking glad Hicks isn't coming back. My guess P2 will carry on with the engineers and introduce the Alien fully, the Blomkamp will make an Alien film that directly relates to the original
Hick's isn't back? Where did this come from, I missed the link, can you repost?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:14 PM
Steven Seagal's direct-to-video career seems to disagree with you... :P
And you can take that to the bank. The blood bank.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Bat Chain Puller on Feb 19, 2015, 04:25:34 PM
Post by: Bat Chain Puller on Feb 19, 2015, 04:25:34 PM
Blomkamp has the chops to pull this off visually.
All we can hope for is a smart script with teeth and the right balance of thrills, action, and drama.
If the script is weak, or a slapdash of fan service we can count on this being Elysium with aliens in it.
I think everyone I've ever met who loves ALIEN and ALIENS wants a proper sequel that brings the aliens to earth and we get to go to the home world. (If such a thing even exists anymore.) I wouldn't mind a film that sort of ignores ALIEN 3 and 4. (As much as I loved 3.) Ripley being human and carrying on the fight would be much more dramatic and true to the roots, but would derail the continuity and confuse general audiences.
On the other hand Hybrid Ripley has a lot of potential and throwing her back into the mix with Aliens and the new Prometheus lore could be really awesome if handled correctly.
All we can hope for is a smart script with teeth and the right balance of thrills, action, and drama.
If the script is weak, or a slapdash of fan service we can count on this being Elysium with aliens in it.
I think everyone I've ever met who loves ALIEN and ALIENS wants a proper sequel that brings the aliens to earth and we get to go to the home world. (If such a thing even exists anymore.) I wouldn't mind a film that sort of ignores ALIEN 3 and 4. (As much as I loved 3.) Ripley being human and carrying on the fight would be much more dramatic and true to the roots, but would derail the continuity and confuse general audiences.
On the other hand Hybrid Ripley has a lot of potential and throwing her back into the mix with Aliens and the new Prometheus lore could be really awesome if handled correctly.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 04:25:52 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 04:25:52 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 04:23:48 PMAnd you can take that to the bank. The blood bank.
:laugh: 10 points for you.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 04:28:47 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 04:28:47 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 04:15:16 PMQuote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 04:11:36 PMMy guess P2 will carry on with the engineers and introduce the Alien fully
People keep saying this, yet Scott has made it clear the Prometheus sequel will have even less to do with the Alien than the first one.
Given that they're now making a bonafide Alien film as well, that seems entirely likely.
I think it's best if the films don't tie in to each other at all. Let them be their own thing. Prometheus can't be an Alien prequel anymore so let Riddles do whatever he wants with it. I'd rather see Blomkamp make something unique.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 04:35:44 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 04:35:44 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 04:25:52 PMQuote from: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 04:23:48 PMAnd you can take that to the bank. The blood bank.
:laugh: 10 points for you.
dun dun dundundundun.
I thank you.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 04:37:22 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Feb 19, 2015, 04:25:34 PM
Blomkamp has the chops to pull this off visually.
All we can hope for is a smart script with teeth and the right balance of thrills, action, and drama.
If the script is weak, or a slapdash of fan service we can count on this being Elysium with aliens in it.
I think everyone I've ever met who loves ALIEN and ALIENS wants a proper sequel that brings the aliens to earth and we get to go to the home world. (If such a thing even exists anymore.) I wouldn't mind a film that sort of ignores ALIEN 3 and 4. (As much as I loved 3.) Ripley being human and carrying on the fight would be much more dramatic and true to the roots, but would derail the continuity and confuse general audiences.
On the other hand Hybrid Ripley has a lot of potential and throwing her back into the mix with Aliens and the new Prometheus lore could be really awesome if handled correctly.
I can agree but bringing the aliens to earth is likely what contributed to the failure of AVP films(other than the obvious). We are always told that should Aliens reach earth, it would be devastation....but it wasn't.
Don't really like the hybrid storyline, too silly for my tastes. Alien to Alien 3 kept things dark and gritty, Resurrection just went wacky, I can appreciete the style and artistic view but it was just nonsense and over the top.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 19, 2015, 04:47:21 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 19, 2015, 04:47:21 PM
I see two options that I would be equally fine with (assuming the script is well written and well executed, of course.)
Retcon Version:
Retcons Alien 3 and Resurrection, and starts a new story taking place some time after Al()ENS. Involves Ripley and Hicks versing Weyland-Yutani.
Non-Retcon Version:
Takes place after Alien 3 (with Ripley dead), but way before Resurrection. Since there's like a 200 year gap there, i'm sure they could invent a new story in there with new characters. WY still trying to engineer aliens as bio-weapons, and new characters discovering the horror and trying to stop it. They wouldn't have to "retcon" resurrection, just ignore it since it wont happen for another 200 years or so.
Retcon Version:
Retcons Alien 3 and Resurrection, and starts a new story taking place some time after Al()ENS. Involves Ripley and Hicks versing Weyland-Yutani.
Non-Retcon Version:
Takes place after Alien 3 (with Ripley dead), but way before Resurrection. Since there's like a 200 year gap there, i'm sure they could invent a new story in there with new characters. WY still trying to engineer aliens as bio-weapons, and new characters discovering the horror and trying to stop it. They wouldn't have to "retcon" resurrection, just ignore it since it wont happen for another 200 years or so.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 04:49:54 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 04:49:54 PM
The non-retcon version doesn't sound so bad, but it does seem like it could be a retread of Aliens.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
They say that Ridley Scott/Scott Free is producing this film as well. Ugh, can't that guy just stay in the Prometheus franchise? After that movie, I don't want him coming anywhere near this.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Samus007 on Feb 19, 2015, 04:59:04 PM
Post by: Samus007 on Feb 19, 2015, 04:59:04 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 04:11:36 PM
So fricking glad Hicks isn't coming back. My guess P2 will carry on with the engineers and introduce the Alien fully, the Blomkamp will make an Alien film that directly relates to the original
Where is that confirmed at? Did i miss something because no cast has been announced yet.
Okay, so here's whats going to happen... Resurrection Ripley is going to time travel back to right after the events of Aliens and right before the events of Alien 3. She's going to sneak on board the Sulaco and rid it of the Alien egg that is there. Then she is going to smile at Newt, who is asleep, and then eject herself out of the ship killing herself. Or, better yet, she will stick around and when Ripley, Hicks, Bishop, and Newt all wake up, tell them crazy stories of what almost happened to them.
The end.
(I'm joking. All this sounds terrible). :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:09:59 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:09:59 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
They say that Ridley Scott/Scott Free is producing this film as well. Ugh, can't that guy just stay in the Prometheus franchise? After that movie, I don't want him coming anywhere near this.
Producing is not the same as directing. Most likely Ridley will just be lending his name to this production like he did with Halo Nightfall.
Would have loved for Scott to be the production designer on Blomkamp's film but for obvious reason's this isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Samus007 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:12:32 PM
Post by: Samus007 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:12:32 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
They say that Ridley Scott/Scott Free is producing this film as well. Ugh, can't that guy just stay in the Prometheus franchise? After that movie, I don't want him coming anywhere near this.
It's a sad day when us fans feel the same way about Ridley Scott as we do about Lucas. We want them to stay away from what they once created so long ago, because for some reason, they make it worse when they go back to it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 19, 2015, 05:12:42 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 19, 2015, 05:12:42 PM
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Feb 19, 2015, 04:25:34 PM
Ripley being human and carrying on the fight would be much more dramatic and true to the roots, but would derail the continuity and confuse general audiences.
I'm not sure that's entirely true. Most people I know lose track sometime after Aliens. Fans on the other hand will be able to roll with it without confusion, I think.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ripley28 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:14:20 PM
Post by: Ripley28 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:14:20 PM
I'd be fine with them just ignoring everything post-Aliens and doing their own things. As for Hicks, I saw Alien 3 for the first time years ago when was 10. I hated THAT scene then and I hate it even more now. It's actually my most hated moment of the entire franchise, so monumentally dumb. So by all means, bring Hicks back, and Newt, and Bishop, I'm all for it. Killing them off in the first place, especially how it was done, was a massive mistake.
Ridley Scott has been on a cold streak in general recently, at least for me. Robin Hood, Prometheus, The Counselor, Exodus: Gods and Kings, all incredibly disappointing. Heck at this point I don't want him doing the Blade Runner sequel either.
Quote from: Samus007 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:12:32 PMQuote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
They say that Ridley Scott/Scott Free is producing this film as well. Ugh, can't that guy just stay in the Prometheus franchise? After that movie, I don't want him coming anywhere near this.
It's a sad day when us fans feel the same way about Ridley Scott as we do about Lucas. We want them to stay away from what they once created so long ago, because for some reason, they make it worse when they go back to it.
Ridley Scott has been on a cold streak in general recently, at least for me. Robin Hood, Prometheus, The Counselor, Exodus: Gods and Kings, all incredibly disappointing. Heck at this point I don't want him doing the Blade Runner sequel either.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:18:37 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:18:37 PM
Can someone change to title of this thread to "Alien 5"? :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:23:18 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:23:18 PM
Siggy talks Chappie and Alien 5 on The Tonight Show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFJGg_GKts#t=34 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFJGg_GKts#t=34)
But what if it's going to be Alien 3? ???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFJGg_GKts#t=34 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFJGg_GKts#t=34)
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:18:37 PM
Can someone change to title of this thread to "Alien 5"? :D
But what if it's going to be Alien 3? ???
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:33:27 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:33:27 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 19, 2015, 05:23:18 PMBut what if it's going to be Alien 3? ???Just change the title again when that's confirmed.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:36:21 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:36:21 PM
I reckon we should just go with the working title "Aliens 2.0" for now. :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 05:38:57 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 05:38:57 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 19, 2015, 04:14:57 PM
Two "L"'s Corporal. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzJEkOCO1jo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzJEkOCO1jo) ;)
Fixed.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:40:55 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:40:55 PM
QuoteI wouldn't mind a film that sort of ignores ALIEN 3 and 4. (As much as I loved 3.) Ripley being human and carrying on the fight would be much more dramatic and true to the roots, but would derail the continuity and confuse general audiences.
Audiences by now should be pretty familiar with reboots and do-over sequels, and if I had to guess, I'd say Aliens is much better remembered than the latter sequels by general audiences.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 05:42:00 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 05:42:00 PM
If this is Alien 5, we can expect to see WY?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:42:56 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:42:56 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 19, 2015, 05:40:55 PMAudiences by now should be pretty familiar with reboots and do-over sequels, and if I had to guess, I'd say Aliens is much better remembered than the latter sequels by general audiences.Most people are only familiar with Alien and Aliens, the other two movies didn't reach the collective memory status or they plain prefer to forget them, just like they prefer to forget Alien vs Predator and Requiem. I mean, I don't think we can find too many people that do remember whatever happened on Alien 3 and 4 or have cherished memories about that...
Quote from: Chronicle on Feb 19, 2015, 01:04:40 AMugh seriously....whyProbably not. Ticket sales, you know ;)
Can we please keep Ridley out of the picture?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 05:51:39 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 05:51:39 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:42:56 PMMost people are only familiar with Alien and Aliens, the other two movies didn't reach the collective memory status or they plain prefer to forget them, just like they prefer to forget Alien vs Predator and Requiem. I mean, I don't think we can find too many people that do remember whatever happened on Alien 3 and 4 or have cherished memories about that...
I disagree with all this talk of people forgetting about the later films.
I'm pretty sure everyone knows Ripley died. It's kind of major, memorable plot point. My parents are hardly Alien fans, but they know Ripley's dead.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 05:57:30 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 05:57:30 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 19, 2015, 05:23:18 PM
But what if it's going to be Alien 3? ???
Then you have the option of picking and choosing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 06:02:25 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 06:02:25 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:33:27 PMYeah, I will wait till then. No sense in calling it Alien5 if it does not follow 3 and 4.Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 19, 2015, 05:23:18 PMBut what if it's going to be Alien 3? ???Just change the title again when that's confirmed.
I think the title is fine as it is for now; we will change it with further data acquired.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 06:10:04 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 06:10:04 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 05:51:39 PMI'm pretty sure everyone knows Ripley died. It's kind of major, memorable plot point. My parents are hardly Alien fans, but they know Ripley's dead.And they liked her to die?
Do they know Ripley was cloned into an acidic blood action-star version of her, and are they OK with that?
Would they be against seeing more Ripley and Hicks?
Most people didn't like that Ripley died because they didn't like Alien 3, or in the best of the cases they were completly "whatever" about Ripley's and Alien 3 was completely 'meh' for them. So, I think most people wouldn't mind Ripley and Hicks just being unexplainedly alive again, and in many cases they would love them to be back.
Just like they said above, people nowadays understand the reboot term, they could find a way to work a reboot sequel just like X-Men or Terminator, with an explanation or without it.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 06:09:38 PMOK.
I think the title is fine as it is for now; we will change it with further data acquired.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 06:15:26 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 06:15:26 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 06:10:04 PMAnd they liked her to die?
When did I ever say anything about liking it? I said they remembered.
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 06:10:04 PMMost people didn't like that Ripley died because they didn't like Alien 3, or in the best of the cases they were completly "whatever" about Ripley's and Alien 3 was completely 'meh' for them. So, I think most people wouldn't mind Ripley and Hicks just being unexplainedly alive again, and in many cases they would love them to be back.
This forum has shown plenty of people definitely do not want them back.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 19, 2015, 06:20:03 PM
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 19, 2015, 06:20:03 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if they tried to have it both ways, IE set the movie after Resurrection, but have Hicks return either as a clone or a synthetic. Remember synthetic Ripley from the novelization of Female War?
Either way, I'm looking forward to following this as it develops. I'm just so excited that a new Alien movie is finally happening!
Either way, I'm looking forward to following this as it develops. I'm just so excited that a new Alien movie is finally happening!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 06:26:34 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 06:26:34 PM
Hell Hicks doesn't have to be a synthetic if it's after Resurrection. Leave that to Sharlto Copley.
Chances are, if they pull the Hicks conspiracy theory from A:CM, they can just say WY ended up freezing Hicks in hyper sleep after using him for several years to fight Xeno infestations. That would explain his age.
Chances are, if they pull the Hicks conspiracy theory from A:CM, they can just say WY ended up freezing Hicks in hyper sleep after using him for several years to fight Xeno infestations. That would explain his age.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 19, 2015, 06:29:12 PM
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 19, 2015, 06:29:12 PM
I think the title should have a Roman Numeral in it, "ALIEN V". WOW.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 06:33:31 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 06:33:31 PM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 19, 2015, 06:29:12 PMYeah I think so too. Mentioned that in the other thread that is purely dedicated to the title.
I think the title should have a Roman Numeral in it, "ALIEN V". WOW.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 19, 2015, 06:44:06 PM
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 19, 2015, 06:44:06 PM
I say go the Cyborg/Android Humaniod Route with Hicks. They can say the Colonial Marines used his DNA cause he was a great solider and created a cloned version. The scars on his face is cause that's how he looked when he died. I mean I just think the whole "OH HICKS LIVED" thing doesn't feel right, feels kinda force and screaming at old school fans like myself but is it right for the story? I'm all for Hicks coming back but I don't think they should erase Alien 3 and 4. Just set this way into the future. The only way that will make sense is I said an "Alternate Timeline" scenario or You have Ripley wake up in Cryo-Sleep after "Aliens" as if 3 and 4 did not happen but was all some kind of dream.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 06:44:58 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 06:44:58 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 06:26:34 PMChances are, if they pull the Hicks conspiracy theory from A:CM, they can just say WY ended up freezing Hicks in hyper sleep after using him for several years to fight Xeno infestations. That would explain his age.
Except a) people don't age in hypersleep and b) why the hell would they bother?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 07:03:44 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 07:03:44 PM
Why exactly do we want Hicks back? He was a cool character, but his arc is over.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 19, 2015, 07:04:37 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 19, 2015, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 07:03:44 PM
Why exactly do we want Hicks back? He was a cool character, but his arc is over.
Because the character was unfairly cut down for no good reason.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 07:05:11 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 07:05:11 PM
General audiences are all over Aliens. The whole excision of Hicks and Newt seems to be an ongoing resentment.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 07:05:47 PM
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 07:05:47 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 04:23:48 PMQuote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 04:11:36 PM
So fricking glad Hicks isn't coming back. My guess P2 will carry on with the engineers and introduce the Alien fully, the Blomkamp will make an Alien film that directly relates to the original
Hick's isn't back? Where did this come from, I missed the link, can you repost?Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:14 PM
Steven Seagal's direct-to-video career seems to disagree with you... :P
And you can take that to the bank. The blood bank.
Sorry should have made clear that that post was purely my opinion. If Hicks does come though I'm done with the film altogether. Shoehorning a dead character into a film is always a bad start to a film m. All in the name of fan wankery as well. I liked the concept art but as concept alone.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 07:06:19 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 07:06:19 PM
If they do have Hicks, I hope they follow the A:CM arc so that at least something good can come from that fiasco.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 07:10:23 PM
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 07:10:23 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 07:06:19 PM
If they do have Hicks, I hope they follow the A:CM arc so that at least something good can come from that fiasco.
In the train wreck that was ACM, Hicks being alive and their explanation of it was not good. There is no good way to bring him back.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 07:16:18 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 07:06:19 PMIf they do have Hicks, I hope they follow the A:CM arc so that at least something good can come from that fiasco.
I cannot express how devastated I would be if they decide to follow on from that with this film. The way they attempted to justify Hicks being alive in that game was an absolute disgrace and an insult to the intelligence.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: scarhunter92 on Feb 19, 2015, 07:19:17 PM
Post by: scarhunter92 on Feb 19, 2015, 07:19:17 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Feb 19, 2015, 04:20:06 PMQuote from: Valaquen on Feb 19, 2015, 02:18:20 PMOn. f**king. Point.
If Blomkamp ditches Ripley for all new characters, I'm happy with that.
If he wants to do a Superman Returns and ignore Alien 3 and 4, I'm happy with that. The third movie had little regard for continuity or concern with the second film, and is applauded for doing so by its fans. So bring it.
I've stopped caring, and I've recently been spoiled when it comes to this franchise with Alien Isolation, just after it got as seemingly bad as it could possibly get with Colon Marines, so now it's basically win/win/whatever for me, and the tears of all others are delicious. Num num num.
Yup. Totally agree.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 07:20:31 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 07:20:31 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 07:16:18 PM
I cannot express how devastated I would be if they decide to follow on from that with this film. The way they attempted to justify Hicks being alive in that game was an absolute disgrace and an insult to the intelligence.
A lot of people say the Stasis Interrupted DLC made his return a little more palatable.
I don't know, I watched that sequence where Hicks is brought out of hypersleep and was in tears laughing at the WY guy putting somebody else in Hick's tube. Just freaking hysterically done with absolutely no subtlety or anything.
So, yeah, if they're gonna bring Hicks back it better not be the way Colonial Marines did it. That's a textbook example of how not to do it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 19, 2015, 07:20:38 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 19, 2015, 07:20:38 PM
Quote from: GQSioux on Feb 19, 2015, 01:33:46 AM
We're getting both a Prometheus 2 AND an Alien sequel. I'm just gonna sit back and be optimistic. ;D
I profoundly dislike prometheus, but this is the attitude. I'll do the same.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 07:22:23 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 07:22:23 PM
As much as I liked Hicks, I don't want to see him return.. Leave him alone.
Let sleeping dogs lie.
Let sleeping dogs lie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 07:30:42 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 07:30:42 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 07:20:31 PMA lot of people say the Stasis Interrupted DLC made his return a little more palatable.
I don't know, I watched that sequence where Hicks is brought out of hypersleep and was in tears laughing at the WY guy putting somebody else in Hick's tube. Just freaking hysterically done with absolutely no subtlety or anything.
So, yeah, if they're gonna bring Hicks back it better not be the way Colonial Marines did it. That's a textbook example of how not to do it.
It wasn't that the add-on made it more palatable - it was that the main game didn't even attempt to offer an explanation.
The actual explanation we got in the DLC was, as you say, a joke.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 07:34:00 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 07:34:00 PM
I don't need an explanation, I don't even want an explanation, we already have the definitive one (Hicks died because of Alien 3's development hell, now we're free to ignore that, so YOLO), I don't want this movie to care about continuity, disregard all that, make as little references as possible, ignore Alien 3 and R and and just give me a good ride with the things that made Alien and Aliens great: Great thrills, great creature, great characters (Ripley, Hicks, probably Bishop) and a great story on its own right.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Jman on Feb 19, 2015, 07:34:31 PM
Post by: Jman on Feb 19, 2015, 07:34:31 PM
Maybe the Engineers experimented and tried to merge their dna or actual human dna with the Xenos, and the Kane-spawned Alien showed that particular characteristic, hence the humanoid-like skull under the 1979 Alien's dome. Maybe the stinger-like tail was a byproduct of the experiment also. Aliens subsequent to the first film didn't have those features. Could it be possible that the embryo implanted in Kane was unique? Maybe a non-related but ancient forerunner to the "newborn" of Alien Resurrection?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 07:41:50 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 07:41:50 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 07:34:00 PM
I don't need an explanation, I don't even want an explanation, we already have the definitive one (Hicks died because of Alien 3's development hell, now we're free to ignore that, so YOLO), I don't want this movie to care about continuity, disregard all that, make as little references as possible, ignore Alien 3 and R and and just give me a good ride with the things that made Alien and Aliens great: Great thrills, great creature, great characters (Ripley, Hicks, probably Bishop) and a great story on its own right.
Its poor attention to continuity that contributed to AVP 1 and 2 result :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 07:50:05 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 07:50:05 PM
Quote from: Jman on Feb 19, 2015, 07:34:31 PM
Maybe the Engineers experimented and tried to merge their dna or actual human dna with the Xenos, and the Kane-spawned Alien showed that particular characteristic, hence the humanoid-like skull under the 1979 Alien's dome. Maybe the stinger-like tail was a byproduct of the experiment also. Aliens subsequent to the first film didn't have those features. Could it be possible that the embryo implanted in Kane was unique? Maybe a non-related but ancient forerunner to the "newborn" of Alien Resurrection?
It certainly wasn't treated uniquely if it was. It was just one egg among hundreds/thousands.
Also, God no. The alien in the first film is the purest breed of alien. From an artistic perspective if nothing else. Hand made by Giger. No freaking way does it need a back story involving genetic meddling.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 07:52:50 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 07:52:50 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 07:50:05 PMQuote from: Jman on Feb 19, 2015, 07:34:31 PM
Maybe the Engineers experimented and tried to merge their dna or actual human dna with the Xenos, and the Kane-spawned Alien showed that particular characteristic, hence the humanoid-like skull under the 1979 Alien's dome. Maybe the stinger-like tail was a byproduct of the experiment also. Aliens subsequent to the first film didn't have those features. Could it be possible that the embryo implanted in Kane was unique? Maybe a non-related but ancient forerunner to the "newborn" of Alien Resurrection?
It certainly wasn't treated uniquely if it was. It was just one egg among hundreds/thousands.
Also, God no. The alien in the first film is the purest breed of alien. From an artistic perspective if nothing else. Hand made by Giger. No freaking way does it need a back story involving genetic meddling.
But isn't implied that the Engineers created or at least modified the Xenomorphs? if that is the case, they are already genetically meddled with.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 07:58:46 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 07:58:46 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 06:44:58 PMI know that. I guess I should've been more specific when I said "several years. " A couple of decades give or take.Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 06:26:34 PMChances are, if they pull the Hicks conspiracy theory from A:CM, they can just say WY ended up freezing Hicks in hyper sleep after using him for several years to fight Xeno infestations. That would explain his age.
Except a) people don't age in hypersleep and b) why the hell would they bother?
And it's not that I necessarily want Hicks to be back, I'm just thinking of ways they could do it if Blomkamp is hellbent upon it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 19, 2015, 08:00:31 PM
Post by: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 19, 2015, 08:00:31 PM
I think everyone here should have WAY more faith in Blomkamp and his plans for this series. The dude is essentially bringing back sci-fi (specifically cyberpunk) back in a HUGE way. Hicks returning and retconning Alien3 should be the least of everyone's worries.
People that think Alien 3 is the best alien will not budge from thinking that Ripley/Hicks should not return. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this new alien will blow away everyones expectations.
People that think Alien 3 is the best alien will not budge from thinking that Ripley/Hicks should not return. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this new alien will blow away everyones expectations.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: the evil pred on Feb 19, 2015, 08:02:25 PM
Post by: the evil pred on Feb 19, 2015, 08:02:25 PM
If they want to go with the idea that alien 3 and res was all a dream, I would be OK with that. Even tho I am a fan of alien 3, resurrection was just painful, they could easily make it work. In prometheus they had David go into the dreams of those in hypersleep, why not do the same with Ripley. Just have WY try and see how far Ripley will go to exterminate the species. They killed newt and hicks and put a queen in her. Another scenario was that she became a part of the alien species. You could also see it as torture. Twice Ripley has screwed over WY. There are ways to retain alien 3 and resurrection. Will every alien fan like it. No. Me. I already can't wait.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 08:05:39 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 08:05:39 PM
Quote from: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 19, 2015, 08:00:31 PM
I think everyone here should have WAY more faith in Blomkamp and his plans for this series. The dude is essentially bringing back sci-fi (specifically cyberpunk) back in a HUGE way. Hicks returning and retconning Alien3 should be the least of everyone's worries.
People that think Alien 3 is the best alien will not budge from thinking that Ripley/Hicks should not return. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this new alien will blow away everyones expectations.
Its not that people think Alien 3 was the best which its obviously not, its fact that the characters are dead and its set in continuity, breaking that is a serious thing, it might work out for the best, it might make things worse. Not to mention retconning Alien 3 means retconning the adaptive abilities of the Xenomorph since this film started that trend.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 08:14:24 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 08:14:24 PM
No, that starts with the first film. Scott had that idea for the creature from very early on. He said "If it had come out of the cat it would have been an alien version of the cat."
It wouldn't harm the alien in the slightest if they retconned the last two flicks.
It wouldn't harm the alien in the slightest if they retconned the last two flicks.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 08:14:48 PM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 08:14:48 PM
The way i see it Its ripley 8's continuation
20th Century Fox has since confirmed the news, clarifying that this is, indeed, a sequel to the original Alien franchise and not the Prometheus sequel currently set for release March 4, 2016.
source http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel#/slide/1 (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel#/slide/1)
Since Weaver wants to do ripley 8 it looks like were getting ripley 8, and going wher her story left off which also means Hicks most likely wont be returning
20th Century Fox has since confirmed the news, clarifying that this is, indeed, a sequel to the original Alien franchise and not the Prometheus sequel currently set for release March 4, 2016.
source http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel#/slide/1 (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel#/slide/1)
Since Weaver wants to do ripley 8 it looks like were getting ripley 8, and going wher her story left off which also means Hicks most likely wont be returning
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 19, 2015, 08:16:17 PM
Post by: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 19, 2015, 08:16:17 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 08:05:39 PMQuote from: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 19, 2015, 08:00:31 PM
I think everyone here should have WAY more faith in Blomkamp and his plans for this series. The dude is essentially bringing back sci-fi (specifically cyberpunk) back in a HUGE way. Hicks returning and retconning Alien3 should be the least of everyone's worries.
People that think Alien 3 is the best alien will not budge from thinking that Ripley/Hicks should not return. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this new alien will blow away everyones expectations.
Its not that people think Alien 3 was the best which its obviously not, its fact that the characters are dead and its set in continuity, breaking that is a serious thing, it might work out for the best, it might make things worse. Not to mention retconning Alien 3 means retconning the adaptive abilities of the Xenomorph since this film started that trend.
Continuity that ended burying the alien franchise I might add. The whole problem with continuity isn't that Alien 3 happened (as movies like the new xmen show) but that the actors are WAY too old to be the same ages they were in Aliens or even Alien3. The easiest way to retcon would be to just have them wake up like Alien 3 never happened, but thats where the hurdles lie.
The only other way is that they managed to get home, grew older, and now Ripley is again finding herself getting roped into another bad situation.
I don't think it will happen like people will think it will happen, but the appeal to grab Weaver for the sequel and her interest in it, make me think that at least Ripley is coming back from the grave.
The adaptive abilities can totally be there as well, you don't need the old cannon to make new stuff. There are all the films, EU and more that the director can take from. District 9 had some human transmogrification in it, I'm sure his new Alien will at least nod to it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:22:41 PM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:22:41 PM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 19, 2015, 08:14:48 PM
The way i see it Its ripley 8's continuation
20th Century Fox has since confirmed the news, clarifying that this is, indeed, a sequel to the original Alien franchise and not the Prometheus sequel currently set for release March 4, 2016.
source http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel#/slide/1 (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel#/slide/1)
Since Weaver wants to do ripley 8 it looks like were getting ripley 8, and going wher her story left off which also means Hicks most likely wont be returning
Of course, this was the only possible route this film could take, and the only logical one. Still, I find it highly disturbing how many people here would even consider the idea of retconning Alien 3 and resurrection as remotely acceptable. People are even saying that having Ridley scott as a producer is a bad thing? get a grip people.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 19, 2015, 08:25:38 PM
Post by: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 19, 2015, 08:25:38 PM
Quote
Still, I find it highly disturbing how many people here would even consider the idea of retconning Alien 3 and resurrection as remotely acceptable.
Why? Alien 4 is one of the worst abominations ever, and Alien 3 (however technically good) was a snore, no one remembers it, and all it did was put the nail in the coffin for the franchise. People here are just assuming A3 is getting retconned, when they might just do a "alien sequel" that does not even mention the other previous movies.
Sigourney showed interest and is not confirmed, same with Michael Biehn.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 08:30:08 PM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 08:30:08 PM
Itll be ok as long as they dont let what happened in alien 3s production happen and they dont let something silly like resurrections script pop out
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 08:36:43 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 08:36:43 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:22:41 PMQuote from: Nazrel on Feb 19, 2015, 08:14:48 PM
The way i see it Its ripley 8's continuation
20th Century Fox has since confirmed the news, clarifying that this is, indeed, a sequel to the original Alien franchise and not the Prometheus sequel currently set for release March 4, 2016.
source http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel#/slide/1 (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel#/slide/1)
Since Weaver wants to do ripley 8 it looks like were getting ripley 8, and going wher her story left off which also means Hicks most likely wont be returning
Of course, this was the only possible route this film could take, and the only logical one. Still, I find it highly disturbing how many people here would even consider the idea of retconning Alien 3 and resurrection as remotely acceptable. People are even saying that having Ridley scott as a producer is a bad thing? get a grip people.
Tbh, there isn't any firm evidence that says they'll retcon anything, Ridley's presence on this film could be disconcerting however, since he seems to care little for the franchise now and his present style seems more focused on money-making than storytelling. :(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:42:36 PM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:42:36 PM
Both Alien 3 and resurrection are highly underrated, very stylish films made by very good directors with good actors. To say that they are far superior to the Disastrous AvP films is an understatement. Weavers performance in those films alone elevates them far above your standard sci fi horror film.
The real reason people continually are disappointment with those films (including Prometheus) is because they are not carbon copies of James cameron's Aliens. But they weren't trying to be, and even if hicks comes back neither will Alien 5
Again with the ridley bashing. We are lucky he is involved. Prometheus was a breath of fresh air and gave this franchise some much needed originality.
The real reason people continually are disappointment with those films (including Prometheus) is because they are not carbon copies of James cameron's Aliens. But they weren't trying to be, and even if hicks comes back neither will Alien 5
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 08:36:43 PM
Ridley's presence on this film could be disconcerting however, since he seems to care little for the franchise now and his present style seems more focused on money-making than storytelling. :(
Again with the ridley bashing. We are lucky he is involved. Prometheus was a breath of fresh air and gave this franchise some much needed originality.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 08:52:17 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 08:52:17 PM
Prometheus's Alien connection was nothing more than a cheap marketing gimmick to drag Alien fans into the picture (that's hardly originality), Ridley is really into doing these tricks now. If Ridley wanted to discard the Alien Prequel he was working on in favor of Prometheus, he should at least tell the story with integrity rather than with marketing schemes. The new film is promised to have no "gods and dragons" (aka engineers and aliens) in it whatsoever, you'd think that if Prometheus truly belonged in the Alien universe then there would still be some connection to keep the series going. Being without Aliens OR engineers, what else is there?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:57:59 PM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 08:52:17 PM
Prometheus's Alien connection was nothing more than a cheap marketing gimmick to drag Alien fans into the picture (that's hardly originality), Ridley is really into doing these tricks now. If Ridley wanted to discard the Alien Prequel he was working on in favor of Prometheus, he should at least tell the story with integrity rather than with marketing schemes. The new film is promised to have no "gods and dragons" (aka engineers and aliens) in it whatsoever, you'd think that if Prometheus truly belonged in the Alien universe then there would still be some connection to keep the series going. Being without Aliens OR engineers, what else is there?
Ridley was as upfront as humanly possible that Prometheus was not an alien Prequel but its film, set in the same universe. I don't know how many times in interviews leading up to Prometheus's theatrical release it was said that it wasn't going to be a clear cut prequel to alien. Ridley is exploring the spacejockeys with the Prometheus films, not the aliens, and that is perfectly acceptable.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 09:09:37 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 09:09:37 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:57:59 PMPlus he did initially intend for it to be an actual prequel but Fox wanted him to take the Xenos out of it.Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 08:52:17 PM
Prometheus's Alien connection was nothing more than a cheap marketing gimmick to drag Alien fans into the picture (that's hardly originality), Ridley is really into doing these tricks now. If Ridley wanted to discard the Alien Prequel he was working on in favor of Prometheus, he should at least tell the story with integrity rather than with marketing schemes. The new film is promised to have no "gods and dragons" (aka engineers and aliens) in it whatsoever, you'd think that if Prometheus truly belonged in the Alien universe then there would still be some connection to keep the series going. Being without Aliens OR engineers, what else is there?
Ridley was as upfront as humanly possible that Prometheus was not an alien Prequel but its film, set in the same universe. I don't know how many times in interviews leading up to Prometheus's theatrical release it was said that it wasn't going to be a clear cut prequel to alien. Ridley is exploring the spacejockeys with the Prometheus films, not the aliens, and that is perfectly acceptable.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 09:10:28 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 09:10:28 PM
Quote from: the evil pred on Feb 19, 2015, 08:02:25 PM
If they want to go with the idea that alien 3 and res was all a dream, I would be OK with that. Even tho I am a fan of alien 3, resurrection was just painful, they could easily make it work. In prometheus they had David go into the dreams of those in hypersleep, why not do the same with Ripley. Just have WY try and see how far Ripley will go to exterminate the species. They killed newt and hicks and put a queen in her. Another scenario was that she became a part of the alien species. You could also see it as torture. Twice Ripley has screwed over WY. There are ways to retain alien 3 and resurrection. Will every alien fan like it. No. Me. I already can't wait.
The evil pred fixes the Ripley's Nightmare issues. I love the idea of WY experimenting different scenarios; she, Hicks an Newt are the only people known to have survived an infestation. Their hands on knowledge makes them valuable insurance policies in case their latest project with the xenos goes awry. And they have previous when it comes to calling Ripley in as an expert.
We know that the filmmakers look at this site: for me, this actually gives Ripley's Nightmare resonance, a reason for it happening... And fits with the concept art.
Evil Pred, I salute you. I can't wait either.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 09:11:43 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 09:11:43 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:57:59 PMQuote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 08:52:17 PM
Prometheus's Alien connection was nothing more than a cheap marketing gimmick to drag Alien fans into the picture (that's hardly originality), Ridley is really into doing these tricks now. If Ridley wanted to discard the Alien Prequel he was working on in favor of Prometheus, he should at least tell the story with integrity rather than with marketing schemes. The new film is promised to have no "gods and dragons" (aka engineers and aliens) in it whatsoever, you'd think that if Prometheus truly belonged in the Alien universe then there would still be some connection to keep the series going. Being without Aliens OR engineers, what else is there?
Ridley was as upfront as humanly possible that Prometheus was not an alien Prequel but its film, set in the same universe. I don't know how many times in interviews leading up to Prometheus's theatrical release it was said that it wasn't going to be a clear cut prequel to alien. Ridley is exploring the spacejockeys with the Prometheus films, not the aliens, and that is perfectly acceptable.
No he isn't, didn't you read my post? He wants no Aliens OR jockeys in the sequel, which leads one to wonder whether the introduction of either in the first film was merely a launching platform to enslave fans to a franchise that ultimately wants nothing to do with Alien whether prequel or spinoff related.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 09:15:16 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 09:15:16 PM
Prometheus is connected to the franchise regardless, Predxeno. Your -- and my -- only hope is that this new film distances itself from the ideas it presented.
Most probably won't, but you never know.
Most probably won't, but you never know.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: ADC on Feb 19, 2015, 09:17:06 PM
Post by: ADC on Feb 19, 2015, 09:17:06 PM
Oh wow. This has to be great news. Love Blomkamp's work. If you're going to do A5, he's an inspired choice. Fingers crossed
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 09:28:53 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 09:28:53 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 09:15:16 PM
Prometheus is connected to the franchise regardless, Predxeno. Your -- and my -- only hope is that this new film distances itself from the ideas it presented.
Most probably won't, but you never know.
Yeah, I know it's connected, I wasn't contesting that (if I did then my "all EU is canon" argument would seem really flawed and hypocritical). Ironically enough, Prometheus is the AVPR of the series to me; I finally know how you guys feel, what it's like to dislike a film so much you want to pretend, if not outright say, it shouldn't be canon. It doesn't feel very good to be honest. :-\
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 09:41:41 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 09:41:41 PM
AvPR at least can be quickly isolated. Prometheus shakes the thematic ground on which the first film sat.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 19, 2015, 09:59:28 PM
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 19, 2015, 09:59:28 PM
I find Prometheus easy to isolate too. Stylistically and the lack of actual Aliens help. However, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't hoping this new Alien film would ignore the influence of Prometheus.
I don't want Prometheus to be any further connected to Alien.
Personally, of course.
I don't want Prometheus to be any further connected to Alien.
Personally, of course.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:00:08 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:00:08 PM
I think there's a very nice chance it will. :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 19, 2015, 10:03:44 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 19, 2015, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 08:05:39 PM
Not to mention retconning Alien 3 means retconning the adaptive abilities of the Xenomorph since this film started that trend.
Alien 3 didn't come up with that, Scott and Ron Shusett both mentioned it as early as 1979. It was well known among fans before the third film put it to the screen.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 10:07:24 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 10:07:24 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:57:59 PMRidley was as upfront as humanly possible that Prometheus was not an alien Prequel but its film, set in the same universe. I don't know how many times in interviews leading up to Prometheus's theatrical release it was said that it wasn't going to be a clear cut prequel to alien. Ridley is exploring the spacejockeys with the Prometheus films, not the aliens, and that is perfectly acceptable.No, IIRC, he originally wanted to be an Alien prequel, later he changed his mind and hired Lindelof to rewrite the script, but he said it was going to be a sequel at first and that was originally reported by many people.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 19, 2015, 10:08:42 PM
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 19, 2015, 10:08:42 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 19, 2015, 10:03:44 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 08:05:39 PM
Not to mention retconning Alien 3 means retconning the adaptive abilities of the Xenomorph since this film started that trend.
Alien 3 didn't come up with that, Scott and Ron Shusett both mentioned it as early as 1979. It was well known among fans before the third film put it to the screen.
And by god I wouldn't want that feature of the Alien to be taken away. How boring would it be if every xenomorph looked exactly the same.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 10:11:34 PM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 10:11:34 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 09:11:43 PM
No he isn't, didn't you read my post? He wants no Aliens OR jockeys in the sequel, which leads one to wonder whether the introduction of either in the first film was merely a launching platform to enslave fans to a franchise that ultimately wants nothing to do with Alien whether prequel or spinoff related.
We really dont know anything about it. Ridley says he wants to go to the Engineer's home planet and that shaw and david will be in it. Who knows? Its way too early to pass judgment.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 09:41:41 PM
AvPR at least can be quickly isolated. Prometheus shakes the thematic ground on which the first film sat.
Having aliens on modern day earth is more damaging to the themes presented In the Alien films then anything else. The whole point of those films was to prevent that exact scenario.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 10:14:17 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 10:14:17 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 10:07:24 PMQuote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:57:59 PMRidley was as upfront as humanly possible that Prometheus was not an alien Prequel but its film, set in the same universe. I don't know how many times in interviews leading up to Prometheus's theatrical release it was said that it wasn't going to be a clear cut prequel to alien. Ridley is exploring the spacejockeys with the Prometheus films, not the aliens, and that is perfectly acceptable.No, IIRC, he originally wanted to be an Alien prequel, later he changed his mind and hired Lindelof to rewrite the script, but he said it was going to be a sequel at first and that was originally reported by many people.
Yep, the pre-rewrite script was leaked recently, it was written as a prequel... DoG reviewed it, they say it makes a lot more sense than Prometheus
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:16:03 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:16:03 PM
One bright side to retconning Alien 3 would be that A:CM would be retconned by association, that would make fans happy, so there is that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 10:20:18 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 10:20:18 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 10:14:17 PMQuote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 10:07:24 PMQuote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:57:59 PMRidley was as upfront as humanly possible that Prometheus was not an alien Prequel but its film, set in the same universe. I don't know how many times in interviews leading up to Prometheus's theatrical release it was said that it wasn't going to be a clear cut prequel to alien. Ridley is exploring the spacejockeys with the Prometheus films, not the aliens, and that is perfectly acceptable.No, IIRC, he originally wanted to be an Alien prequel, later he changed his mind and hired Lindelof to rewrite the script, but he said it was going to be a sequel at first and that was originally reported by many people.
Yep, the pre-rewrite script was leaked recently, it was written as a prequel... DoG reviewed it, they say it makes a lot more sense than Prometheus
I have read it,
Spoiler
it features white Xenomorphs and reveals that each cargo hold held different versions of the Xenomorphs, the main protogonist herself gets infected by a regular facehugger while Holloway was infected by a octo-facehugger, which spawned the White-Xenomorph, Beluga-morph or something./spoiler]
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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 19, 2015, 10:20:55 PM
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 19, 2015, 10:20:55 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:16:03 PM
One bright side to retconning Alien 3 would be that A:CM would be retconned by association, that would make fans happy, so there is that.
So you're saying that Neil Blomkamp's Alien film will make Aliens: Colonial Marines a better game?
Spoiler
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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:22:47 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:22:47 PM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 19, 2015, 10:20:55 PMQuote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:16:03 PM
One bright side to retconning Alien 3 would be that A:CM would be retconned by association, that would make fans happy, so there is that.
So you're saying that Neil Blomkamp's Alien film will make Aliens: Colonial Marines a better game?Spoiler
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Better, it would make A:CM a nonexistent game. ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 10:25:14 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 10:25:14 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 10:14:17 PMAnd Alien: Engineers was arguibly better than Prometheus's final script. A lot cheesier, but in my opinion, better done.Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 10:07:24 PMQuote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:57:59 PMRidley was as upfront as humanly possible that Prometheus was not an alien Prequel but its film, set in the same universe. I don't know how many times in interviews leading up to Prometheus's theatrical release it was said that it wasn't going to be a clear cut prequel to alien. Ridley is exploring the spacejockeys with the Prometheus films, not the aliens, and that is perfectly acceptable.No, IIRC, he originally wanted to be an Alien prequel, later he changed his mind and hired Lindelof to rewrite the script, but he said it was going to be a sequel at first and that was originally reported by many people.
Yep, the pre-rewrite script was leaked recently, it was written as a prequel... DoG reviewed it, they say it makes a lot more sense than Prometheus
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 19, 2015, 10:28:50 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 19, 2015, 10:28:50 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:42:36 PM
Both Alien 3 and resurrection are highly underrated, very stylish films made by very good directors with good actors. To say that they are far superior to the Disastrous AvP films is an understatement. Weavers performance in those films alone elevates them far above your standard sci fi horror film.
The real reason people continually are disappointment with those films (including Prometheus) is because they are not carbon copies of James cameron's Aliens. But they weren't trying to be, and even if hicks comes back neither will Alien 5Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 08:36:43 PM
Ridley's presence on this film could be disconcerting however, since he seems to care little for the franchise now and his present style seems more focused on money-making than storytelling. :(
Again with the ridley bashing. We are lucky he is involved. Prometheus was a breath of fresh air and gave this franchise some much needed originality.
This guy, he gets it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 10:38:14 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 10:38:14 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:16:03 PM
One bright side to retconning Alien 3 would be that A:CM would be retconned by association, that would make fans happy, so there is that.
As true as that is... Who takes A:CM seriously as canon anyway?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 10:40:03 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 10:40:03 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 10:11:34 PMAbsolutely not. The themes of the fear of the unknown and the distant, and the utter vastity of the universe were absolutely at the core of Alien. Prometheus had no respect for that.
Having aliens on modern day earth is more damaging to the themes presented In the Alien films then anything else.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:40:20 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:40:20 PM
Meh, I wouldn't know about seriously taking A:CM canon but Hicks is alive in my personal canon. :P Then again so are Apone and Drake, but that's a different matter entirely.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ash 937 on Feb 19, 2015, 10:42:58 PM
Post by: Ash 937 on Feb 19, 2015, 10:42:58 PM
They should just retcon Alien3 and make it so Hick and (half of) Bishop crash land on Fury 161. Ripley and Newt can both die. At the end of the movie Bishop meets his father.
J/K...
I think the idea that we can assume what to expect out of Blomkamp's sequel will remain to be seen. Concept art doesn't always match the final product of the film. Instead, they are often used as pitching point for an idea that typically evolves with the movie making process.
Hell, we don't even know what Prometheus 2 is going to be about and that film is suppose to tie/lead into Alien 5 somehow. One speculative storyline is as good as anyone else's at this point.
J/K...
I think the idea that we can assume what to expect out of Blomkamp's sequel will remain to be seen. Concept art doesn't always match the final product of the film. Instead, they are often used as pitching point for an idea that typically evolves with the movie making process.
Hell, we don't even know what Prometheus 2 is going to be about and that film is suppose to tie/lead into Alien 5 somehow. One speculative storyline is as good as anyone else's at this point.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 10:48:09 PM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 10:48:09 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 10:40:03 PMQuote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 10:11:34 PMAbsolutely not. The themes of the fear of the unknown and the distant, and the utter vastity of the universe were absolutely at the core of Alien. Prometheus had no respect for that.
Having aliens on modern day earth is more damaging to the themes presented In the Alien films then anything else.
Wait, what? How did Prometheus not have those themes present? The whole point of their expedition was to find what was, in their mind, their benevolent creators. Instead they find out that their creators were creating genetic monstrosities and bioweapons intent on the destruction of the human race. They find out that the universe is a much darker place then they thought. Themes of fear and insignificance seem to fall well within that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 10:54:56 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 10:54:56 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 10:48:09 PMI started writing an enormous response to this, but then realized I already have (https://monsterlegacy.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/from-beyond-the-stars-alien-vs-prometheus/).
Wait, what? How did Prometheus not have those themes present?
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:57:12 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:57:12 PM
Holy Shit, that is an ENORMOUS response.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 11:02:21 PM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 11:02:21 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 10:54:56 PMQuote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 10:48:09 PMI started writing an enormous response to this, but then realized I already have (https://monsterlegacy.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/from-beyond-the-stars-alien-vs-prometheus/).
Wait, what? How did Prometheus not have those themes present?
...I don't even
Its just too much to unpack. :o
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Ultimate Predator on Feb 19, 2015, 11:06:25 PM
Post by: The Ultimate Predator on Feb 19, 2015, 11:06:25 PM
As much as I love A3, really not that bothered with retconning it. A3 felt like it was retconning Aliens in a way; technically it didn't but ditching hicks and newt kind of felt like giving up what was setup in Aliens. But none of its a problem in my opinions. Different spin-offs, imaginings, reboots etc, all that matters to me is if its a good film. I'm really pumped most of all in the prospect of bringing back Hicks :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 11:11:41 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 11:02:21 PMLong story short:
...I don't even
Its just too much to unpack. :o
Quote[...]
[According to Alien,] in the deepest corner of space, what humanity finds are unknown entities from other worlds.
[...]
[According to Prometheus,] in the deepest corner of space, what humanity finds is itself.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 11:24:44 PM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 11:24:44 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 11:11:41 PMQuote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 11:02:21 PMLong story short:
...I don't even
Its just too much to unpack. :oQuote[...]
[According to Alien,] in the deepest corner of space, what humanity finds are unknown entities from other worlds.
[...]
[According to Prometheus,] in the deepest corner of space, what humanity finds is itself.
Thank you for the TL;DR version.
Edit*
I'm skimming it and I like how well its thought out and written. I mean, I still think the AvP films hurt the franchise far worse then any perceived damage Prometheus did, but credit where credit is due man. Impressive.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 11:30:00 PM
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 11:30:00 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 11:11:41 PMQuote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 11:02:21 PMLong story short:
...I don't even
Its just too much to unpack. :oQuote[...]
[According to Alien,] in the deepest corner of space, what humanity finds are unknown entities from other worlds.
[...]
[According to Prometheus,] in the deepest corner of space, what humanity finds is itself.
Inhumanity in other words. Fits with A L I E N then.
Honestly, Scott's involvement is the only positive aspect I can see in this Alien5 project at the moment. If opinion can be made on all that's currently available - the concept art - well, it's all manner of confused. Has the whiff of fanfic nonsense all over it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 11:32:06 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2015, 11:32:06 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 11:30:00 PMIf humanity finds itself, the word is 'humanity'. Not fitting. Alien didn't say that in 1979, but Prometheus turned tables completely -- something that retroactively influenced the first film, too.
Inhumanity in other words. Fits with A L I E N then.
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 11:24:44 PMThank you. :)
I'm skimming it and I like how well its thought out and written. I mean, I still think the AvP films hurt the franchise far worse then any perceived damage Prometheus did, but credit where credit is due man. Impressive.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 11:33:26 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 11:33:26 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 10:54:56 PMQuote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 10:48:09 PMI started writing an enormous response to this, but then realized I already have (https://monsterlegacy.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/from-beyond-the-stars-alien-vs-prometheus/).
Wait, what? How did Prometheus not have those themes present?
I like this thought:
QuoteThe new concept can be interpreted in an array of ways: we have the faces of men, but carry the exterior masks of monsters; the exterior 'monstrous' suit could also refer to the fact we are not able to recognize ourselves, or the fact that we are the monsters — the appearence of the suits would then reflect our real nature.
But I agree, the Space Jockey as an unknown and incomprehensible entity (a la Lovecraf) is far better.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 11:34:18 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 11:34:18 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 11:30:00 PMall that's currently available - the concept art - well, it's all manner of confused. Has the whiff of fanfic nonsense all over it.Like X-Men Days of Future Past?
I wouldn't dismiss this as "fanficky" because the original idea was never to have Ripley and Hicks to die. Even James Cameron and Ridley Scott that was a terrible decision and a "slap to the face". A retcon would be necessary to return to their intended route.
Because seriously, whatever composite writer that created Alien 3 did, it didn't honor at all the series, and it's not me who is saying it, but also the creators of Alien and Aliens.
Alien 3 is nothing but an spurious child that occupied a place never belonged to it. It should be exterminated and vanished forever.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SuperM on Feb 19, 2015, 11:58:20 PM
Post by: SuperM on Feb 19, 2015, 11:58:20 PM
I would like to see a film about Robert Morse, who is serving as a creative consultant on a movie based on the best seller he penned after leaving Fury151 titled 'I Don't f**king Believe It Either', which he insists has nothing to do with butter.
The film (within the film) opens with an EEV containing Nicks, Hoot, Bashup and Ridley falling towards a prison planet and loosely recreates the events of Alien 3. The film is secretly financed by Weyland Yutani and is made deliberately bad to discredit Morse, however it is still superior to AVP: Requiem. Fans become obsessed with the characters of Nicks and Hoot and demand sequels. The unexpected success of the movie is frustrating for Weyland Yutani, who tried their hardest to make a terrible movie... but it somehow is a total box office success. A Michael Bay joke is used here. Morse also despises the movie, as sequences shot behind his back show him to be a idiotic, violent, cursing moron who is largely useless and only escapes out of sheer luck. The director insists the portrayal is accurate.
Morse writes another book entitled 'I Still Don't f**king Believe It' and is haunted in his dreams by the alien, which is now one of the most iconic images in the world. Everywhere he goes, he sees xeno dolls, toys, action figures. The beast is everywhere. His crusade to expose Weyland Yutani has failed. He overdoses and dies.
The final scene shows Morse's death on a cinema screen, and as the camera pulls back we see 'Hicks' smoking a cigar, watching the credits roll. 'What a f**king load of shit' he says, as the film fades out.
The film (within the film) opens with an EEV containing Nicks, Hoot, Bashup and Ridley falling towards a prison planet and loosely recreates the events of Alien 3. The film is secretly financed by Weyland Yutani and is made deliberately bad to discredit Morse, however it is still superior to AVP: Requiem. Fans become obsessed with the characters of Nicks and Hoot and demand sequels. The unexpected success of the movie is frustrating for Weyland Yutani, who tried their hardest to make a terrible movie... but it somehow is a total box office success. A Michael Bay joke is used here. Morse also despises the movie, as sequences shot behind his back show him to be a idiotic, violent, cursing moron who is largely useless and only escapes out of sheer luck. The director insists the portrayal is accurate.
Morse writes another book entitled 'I Still Don't f**king Believe It' and is haunted in his dreams by the alien, which is now one of the most iconic images in the world. Everywhere he goes, he sees xeno dolls, toys, action figures. The beast is everywhere. His crusade to expose Weyland Yutani has failed. He overdoses and dies.
The final scene shows Morse's death on a cinema screen, and as the camera pulls back we see 'Hicks' smoking a cigar, watching the credits roll. 'What a f**king load of shit' he says, as the film fades out.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: TheSulaco426 on Feb 20, 2015, 12:01:12 AM
Post by: TheSulaco426 on Feb 20, 2015, 12:01:12 AM
I think this sounds great, Neil sure does know how to use special effects effectively, and I thought District 9 was a very good film. I am curious if the film will be anything like the concept art which looks fantastic but only time will tell.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 12:05:47 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 12:05:47 AM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 11:32:06 PMQuote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 11:30:00 PMIf humanity finds itself, the word is 'humanity'. Not fitting. Alien didn't say that in 1979, but Prometheus turned tables completely -- something that retroactively influenced the first film, too.
Inhumanity in other words. Fits with A L I E N then.
Ok, but I don't see it that way. What the humans found in Prometheus was that their perceived Gods were 'mortal after all', and worse, they were inhumane. I don't see that it influences Alien at all.
In fact I respect the fact that Prometheus opens up the story whilst allowing other concepts like Cameron's hive/queen structure to co-exist as one of the more mundane routes that the originally much more bizarre life cycle could take.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 20, 2015, 12:11:55 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 20, 2015, 12:11:55 AM
It does change Alien on a thematic level -- as already elaborated.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 20, 2015, 12:16:45 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 20, 2015, 12:16:45 AM
I don't know what to post, except...
Spoiler
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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: razeak on Feb 20, 2015, 02:36:31 AM
Post by: razeak on Feb 20, 2015, 02:36:31 AM
On the flip side, I would have still bought a ticket either way.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 20, 2015, 03:04:25 AM
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 20, 2015, 03:04:25 AM
Whether or not they choose to ignore 3 and AR (and I think in an age where both DC Comics and Sony are rapidly rebooting their superhero properties and Fox is struggling to retcon their way out of their early, messy X-Men films, that's very possible), there is beyond zero chance that they will ever acknowledge the ACM video game as canon. That's the kind of fannish thinking that polluted the Star Wars fandom, thinking all those f**king awful books would be acknowledged for Episode VII. It will never happen. All that crap means nothing.
I think it would be a mistake to go on from Aliens and ignore the other sequels, because unfortunately what's done is done. But I think it stands a good chance of happening with this film. Nostalgia is king these days, 'remixing' and 'rebooting' unpopular history is in. The new Terminator film, which looks hilariously awful, is making a bold attempt to undo their last two terrible sequels by adding even more crazy shit on top of the existing mess. And I frankly don't find Neill Blomkamp to be very deep. He made a wonderful allegorical shoot-'em-up about refugees vs. Evil Corporations, and then he made another one with stars which was absolutely terrible and almost ankle-deep. Chappie looks like something very similar. And his designs look like the same thing: Ripley and Hicks play chaos agents in the beautiful secluded corporate palace of Weyland-Yutani! Pew pew! Time to get into my Engineer exosuit and wreck shop!
I mean, it might be a fun ride but a brlliant movie which deeply explores the interconnections of alien life and the darkness of the unknown... I am not seeing that here thus far.
I think it would be a mistake to go on from Aliens and ignore the other sequels, because unfortunately what's done is done. But I think it stands a good chance of happening with this film. Nostalgia is king these days, 'remixing' and 'rebooting' unpopular history is in. The new Terminator film, which looks hilariously awful, is making a bold attempt to undo their last two terrible sequels by adding even more crazy shit on top of the existing mess. And I frankly don't find Neill Blomkamp to be very deep. He made a wonderful allegorical shoot-'em-up about refugees vs. Evil Corporations, and then he made another one with stars which was absolutely terrible and almost ankle-deep. Chappie looks like something very similar. And his designs look like the same thing: Ripley and Hicks play chaos agents in the beautiful secluded corporate palace of Weyland-Yutani! Pew pew! Time to get into my Engineer exosuit and wreck shop!
I mean, it might be a fun ride but a brlliant movie which deeply explores the interconnections of alien life and the darkness of the unknown... I am not seeing that here thus far.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 03:28:03 AM
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 03:28:03 AM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 20, 2015, 12:11:55 AM
It does change Alien on a thematic level -- as already elaborated.
Not so much since the rape and mother - son relation was still very present in prometheus as in ALIEN.
It for sure isn't a take on heidegger phisolophy like Terrence Malick but it remained very much in the same vibe than the original.
It just failed at almost everything. The good thing Ridley has compared to Blomkamp even nowadays with his latest stupid movies is that the guy has an eye for photography and knows the power of editing while these two domains seems to be a complete unknown to blomkamp too focus on the cosmetic nature of over-amplifying things with fancy FX and sounds.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 03:29:57 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 03:29:57 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 20, 2015, 03:04:25 AM
I mean, it might be a fun ride but a brlliant movie which deeply explores the interconnections of alien life and the darkness of the unknown... I am not seeing that here thus far.
Frankly I think we've had enough lofty-aimed failures in this franchise. Alien 3, Alien Resurrection, and Prometheus.
A back to basic action-horror with some good character? Infinitely more palatable than "WHAT IT MEANS TO BE HUMAN IN THIS DARK AND UNFORGIVING UNIVERSE" writ large and erratically.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 20, 2015, 03:35:52 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 20, 2015, 03:35:52 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 03:29:57 AMFixed ;)Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 20, 2015, 03:04:25 AM
I mean, it might be a fun ride but a brlliant movie which deeply explores the interconnections of alien life and the darkness of the unknown... I am not seeing that here thus far.
Frankly I think we've had enough lofty-aimed failures in this franchise. Alien Resurrection and Prometheus.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: razeak on Feb 20, 2015, 03:44:43 AM
Post by: razeak on Feb 20, 2015, 03:44:43 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 19, 2015, 11:01:15 AMQuoteAmanda Ripley maybe.
Eh... The way that character was portrayed, was fine. The reason for her existence, however, still has yet to be reconciled with an explanation. :)
Well first, a mommy and daddy fall in love.... I really don't see her existence as being an issue.
Okay, so heart attack moment for Team Retcon. Alien 5 opens up with the Sulaco....and there is an egg and Hicks still dies. hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha to infinity.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 03:45:26 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 03:45:26 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/)
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Not only will Scott be producing but it's being said that Blomkamp's unnamed Alien film will take place directly following the events of Prometheus 2, which Scott is currently working on. The first Prometheus was loosely tied to the Alien franchise, and it looks like that connection will soon become stronger than ever.
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Damn the f**k. >:(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:15:31 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:15:31 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/)
So Alien V is going to be the Alien prequel then? Well... Know what.. I'm just not gonna pay attention to the news until it's all confirmed. As long as it doesn't retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection... I'm fine. I don't care.
At this point, keep me posted on the Shane Black Predator movie guys.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 04:16:31 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 04:16:31 AM
...Aw man. :-[
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 20, 2015, 04:22:07 AM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 20, 2015, 04:22:07 AM
Alien 3 is safe for now which makes me happy, but at this point who knows what could happen.. Prometheus was gunna be alien now Prometheus 2 will lead into AlienP(prequel?)
I..I dont know what to think anymore
I..I dont know what to think anymore
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:26:23 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:26:23 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 04:22:07 AM
Alien 3 is safe for now which makes me happy
I am glad that Alien 3 is safe! But right now hearing that it's gonna be sort of a tie into Prometheus just leaves me with a sense of just not caring anymore. I mean.. Okay.. I LIKED Prometheus when it was released, and my opinion of it changed but right now I'm just like... Whatever, you know? If this is going to be an Alien movie it HAS to be the LAST one..
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 04:27:43 AM
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 04:27:43 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:15:31 AMQuote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/)
So Alien V is going to be the Alien prequel then? Well... Know what.. I'm just not gonna pay attention to the news until it's all confirmed. As long as it doesn't retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection... I'm fine. I don't care.
At this point, keep me posted on the Shane Black Predator movie guys.
This is what I read earlier on comicbookmoveie but it was shot down on here. I'll say again P2 introduces the Alien the Blomkamp's P3 links to Alien and is probably a fully fledged Alien film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:31:59 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:31:59 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 04:27:43 AM
This is what I read earlier on comicbookmoveie but it was shot down on here. I'll say again P2 introduces the Alien the Blomkamp's P3 links to Alien and is probably a fully fledged Alien film.
I'm not taking anything until the finer details are clarified and confirmed.
Right now everything is in development hell.. We're not even in production, so at this point.. Call me when details are released.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DaddyYautja on Feb 20, 2015, 04:33:34 AM
Post by: DaddyYautja on Feb 20, 2015, 04:33:34 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 04:27:43 AMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:15:31 AMQuote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/)
So Alien V is going to be the Alien prequel then? Well... Know what.. I'm just not gonna pay attention to the news until it's all confirmed. As long as it doesn't retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection... I'm fine. I don't care.
At this point, keep me posted on the Shane Black Predator movie guys.
This is what I read earlier on comicbookmoveie but it was shot down on here. I'll say again P2 introduces the Alien the Blomkamp's P3 links to Alien and is probably a fully fledged Alien film.
OMG tied to prom? Do not care about this film at all now.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 20, 2015, 04:49:59 AM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 20, 2015, 04:49:59 AM
I liekd prometheous but the way fire ans tone tied in felt super messy and poorly written, i hope that its connected by explaining how lv426 derelict got there or something ..
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 05:04:59 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 05:04:59 AM
Can we get this settled? Confirm or debunk this claim?
What do they mean it's set directly after Prometheus 2? Do they mean it's going to be filmed after Prometheus 2 or is it chronologically in universe being set after Prometheus 2? So much confusion!
What do they mean it's set directly after Prometheus 2? Do they mean it's going to be filmed after Prometheus 2 or is it chronologically in universe being set after Prometheus 2? So much confusion!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 20, 2015, 05:06:22 AM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 20, 2015, 05:06:22 AM
im thinking both. which means we probably wont see it till 2020
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 20, 2015, 05:08:19 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 20, 2015, 05:08:19 AM
For what we know, Prometheus 2 might take place in the future, you know, lightspeed travel, relativity... I wouldn't be surprised if we get to see Ripley and Shaw sharing screen.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 20, 2015, 05:10:36 AM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 20, 2015, 05:10:36 AM
Weare following shaw and david, unless engineers have time travel (i hope they dont) we wont be seeing them with ripley 8
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 20, 2015, 05:14:12 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 20, 2015, 05:14:12 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 05:10:36 AMBut this will still be an Alien movie, not Prometheus³.
Weare following shaw and david, unless engineers have time travel (i hope they dont) we wont be seeing them with ripley 8
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 20, 2015, 05:24:48 AM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 20, 2015, 05:24:48 AM
remember when Prometheus was supposed to be an alien prequel?
HOPEFULLY they keep it alien i just wonder how Aliens(s) it will stay
HOPEFULLY they keep it alien i just wonder how Aliens(s) it will stay
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: iiiUMFiii on Feb 20, 2015, 05:25:07 AM
Post by: iiiUMFiii on Feb 20, 2015, 05:25:07 AM
This is good. Really good. They take so long to process these sequels I am surprised I lived to ever see an avp film ::) ::)
So quit all yer bishin and harsh comments "tell dat bish to be cool" 8)
So quit all yer bishin and harsh comments "tell dat bish to be cool" 8)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HappyAlien on Feb 20, 2015, 06:35:42 AM
Post by: HappyAlien on Feb 20, 2015, 06:35:42 AM
So is it going to be Alien 5 set after AliensR or Aliens? Or is it set right after Prometheus 2 but before Alien making it an Alien prequel and not really Alien 5.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:38:03 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:38:03 AM
Quote from: HappyAlien on Feb 20, 2015, 06:35:42 AM
So is it going to be Alien 5 set after AliensR or Aliens? Or is it set right after Prometheus 2 but before Alien making it an Alien prequel and not really Alien 5.
Rumor has it that it's set directly after Prometheus 2. Whatever that means it either could mean it's set to film after Prometheus 2, or it's chronologically set after Prometheus 2 and is an Alien prequel or sequel.
Title: Neill Blomkamp’s Alien 5............why?
Post by: Junglist on Feb 20, 2015, 06:45:58 AM
Post by: Junglist on Feb 20, 2015, 06:45:58 AM
Am I the only one that's upset about this?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 06:50:38 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 06:50:38 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 04:27:43 AMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:15:31 AMQuote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/)
So Alien V is going to be the Alien prequel then? Well... Know what.. I'm just not gonna pay attention to the news until it's all confirmed. As long as it doesn't retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection... I'm fine. I don't care.
At this point, keep me posted on the Shane Black Predator movie guys.
This is what I read earlier on comicbookmoveie but it was shot down on here. I'll say again P2 introduces the Alien the Blomkamp's P3 links to Alien and is probably a fully fledged Alien film.
Where did they say that? I heard we'll be getting an Alien that isn't connected to Alien (or something), sounds rather contradictory to me but I don't think we'll be seeing an "Alien". :-\
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SuicideDoors on Feb 20, 2015, 06:54:22 AM
Post by: SuicideDoors on Feb 20, 2015, 06:54:22 AM
I think it's a given it's going to star Sigourney Weaver so I wouldn't worry about the Prometheus links too much.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 06:57:19 AM
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 06:57:19 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 06:50:38 AMQuote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 04:27:43 AMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:15:31 AMQuote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/)
So Alien V is going to be the Alien prequel then? Well... Know what.. I'm just not gonna pay attention to the news until it's all confirmed. As long as it doesn't retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection... I'm fine. I don't care.
At this point, keep me posted on the Shane Black Predator movie guys.
This is what I read earlier on comicbookmoveie but it was shot down on here. I'll say again P2 introduces the Alien the Blomkamp's P3 links to Alien and is probably a fully fledged Alien film.
Where did they say that? I heard we'll be getting an Alien that isn't connected to Alien (or something), sounds rather contradictory to me but I don't think we'll be seeing an "Alien". :-\
It's all rumour and conjecture at this point. We won't know until we're told. My guess though is that Blomkamp wants to make an Alien film. Going off the basis that it will follow chronologically on from Prometheus 2, it's possible that it will be the link between Prometheus and Alien.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Chris!(($$))! on Feb 20, 2015, 06:59:02 AM
Post by: Chris!(($$))! on Feb 20, 2015, 06:59:02 AM
I don't think I've ever been so excited and worried about the same thing. Even with Godzilla 2014 I felt very safe and sound as well as excited as f**k and it paid off IMO. But so much more damage has been done to the ALIEN franchise then the Godzilla franchise. Let's all use our collective wills to put this FILM on the right track.
Also as much as I like Ripley and Weaver PLEASE just let her character RIP(ley)
Also as much as I like Ripley and Weaver PLEASE just let her character RIP(ley)
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp’s Alien 5............why?
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 20, 2015, 07:07:31 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 20, 2015, 07:07:31 AM
YES
Totally thinking it is yes but nothing is ever perfect.
Then again, why not. Give me some more alienzsz now!
Totally thinking it is yes but nothing is ever perfect.
Then again, why not. Give me some more alienzsz now!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 20, 2015, 07:08:14 AM
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 20, 2015, 07:08:14 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 03:29:57 AM
A back to basic action-horror with some good character? Infinitely more palatable than "WHAT IT MEANS TO BE HUMAN IN THIS DARK AND UNFORGIVING UNIVERSE" writ large and erratically.
I was commenting on the previous posts claiming Prometheus destroyed the mystery and unknown terror. My experience with Neill Blomkamp suggests any kind of mystery or unknown terror will not be an issue.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp’s Alien 5............why?
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 07:11:54 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 07:11:54 AM
Indifferent at the moment.
If Ripley and Hicks are in it, then it's just bullshit.
If Ripley and Hicks are in it, then it's just bullshit.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp’s Alien 5............why?
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 07:23:08 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 07:23:08 AM
Quote from: Junglist on Feb 20, 2015, 06:45:58 AM
Am I the only one that's upset about this?
Why?
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp’s Alien 5............why?
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 20, 2015, 07:28:48 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 20, 2015, 07:28:48 AM
I've been waiting for a movie for so long I don't even care what the hell happens anymore. Just happy that it appears to be in the making. :laugh:
However, seriously, why should anyone be upset over another alien movie?
However, seriously, why should anyone be upset over another alien movie?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:31:36 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:31:36 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 06:57:19 AMQuote from: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 06:50:38 AMQuote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 04:27:43 AMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:15:31 AMQuote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/)
So Alien V is going to be the Alien prequel then? Well... Know what.. I'm just not gonna pay attention to the news until it's all confirmed. As long as it doesn't retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection... I'm fine. I don't care.
At this point, keep me posted on the Shane Black Predator movie guys.
This is what I read earlier on comicbookmoveie but it was shot down on here. I'll say again P2 introduces the Alien the Blomkamp's P3 links to Alien and is probably a fully fledged Alien film.
Where did they say that? I heard we'll be getting an Alien that isn't connected to Alien (or something), sounds rather contradictory to me but I don't think we'll be seeing an "Alien". :-\
It's all rumour and conjecture at this point. We won't know until we're told. My guess though is that Blomkamp wants to make an Alien film. Going off the basis that it will follow chronologically on from Prometheus 2, it's possible that it will be the link between Prometheus and Alien.
I hope they stay away from Prometheus, Alien really does need a fresh start; a LOT of people on the web hate Prometheus (some probably as much as the AVP films), if Fox is too chicken to reference the AVP films in any of their future stories then it seems quite illogical to do something similar with Prometheus given its standing in the fan community. Considering the fact that this is the first Alien movie in a long time, something that all of us seriously thought may never happen, if this movie ends up blowing then it really would be the final nail in the coffin. I think it's too risky too reference any controversial works if we want this film to be a success.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 20, 2015, 07:34:19 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 20, 2015, 07:34:19 AM
I just watched District 9 for the first time... and I kind of want to xenos fight a mech. :laugh: Seriously, though, I have a bit of faith in Blomkamp now.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 07:39:28 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 07:39:28 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 20, 2015, 07:34:19 AM
I just watched District 9 for the first time... and I kind of want to xenos fight a mech. :laugh: Seriously, though, I have a bit of faith in Blomkamp now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01NO-0lASUw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01NO-0lASUw#ws)
:laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 20, 2015, 07:52:13 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 20, 2015, 07:52:13 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 07:39:28 AMQuote from: KiramidHead on Feb 20, 2015, 07:34:19 AM
I just watched District 9 for the first time... and I kind of want to xenos fight a mech. :laugh: Seriously, though, I have a bit of faith in Blomkamp now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01NO-0lASUw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01NO-0lASUw#ws)
:laugh:
Okay, I derped a bit there. :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2015, 08:17:40 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2015, 08:17:40 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/)
They're not providing a source...
I still think it's conjecture. Nothing more.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 09:17:27 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 09:17:27 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 20, 2015, 07:34:19 AMI just watched District 9 for the first time... and I kind of want to xenos fight a mech. :laugh: Seriously, though, I have a bit of faith in Blomkamp now.
Derping aside... :) District 9 freaking rocks. My favourite movie of the last decade.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: szkoki on Feb 20, 2015, 09:37:19 AM
Post by: szkoki on Feb 20, 2015, 09:37:19 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 10:56:04 AM
Biehn is too old to play Hicks now if you ask me. And I don't really wanna see the role recast.Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 10:50:41 AMAnd Weaver wanted Ripley to die in Alien 3. Things change. :)
Ripley did die in Alien 3. She wasn't Ripley any more when she came back.
yeah i also thought about that but khmmm
i totally forget about this
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 20, 2015, 10:54:19 AM
Post by: Russ on Feb 20, 2015, 10:54:19 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2015, 08:17:40 AM
They're not providing a source...
I still think it's conjecture. Nothing more.
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This ^
QuoteNot only will Scott be producing but it's being said that Blomkamp's unnamed Alien film will take place directly following the events of Prometheus 2, which Scott is currently working on. The first Prometheus was loosely tied to the Alien franchise, and it looks like that connection will soon become stronger than ever.
"It's being said..." is not that reliable a source. It's being said on AvP Galaxy that its a retcon that happens after A:R, that stars Sigourney Weaver, Ripley is dead, Hicks and Newt are alive (and dead) and Amanda Ripley's the main character.
Not at the same time, though.
They may as well have said "sources close to Blomkamp have confirmed..."
On the other hand, it did make me panic a bit.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: robbritton on Feb 20, 2015, 11:18:13 AM
Post by: robbritton on Feb 20, 2015, 11:18:13 AM
Thing is, it can follow directly THEMATICALLY from Prometheus 2 but still take place chronologically after Alien Resurrection, or Aliens, or wherever they're putting it. No-one knows anything yet, don't worry about it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 11:45:27 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 11:45:27 AM
Considering Scott has repeatedly stated the Prometheus sequel will have less to do with Alien, not more, I'm inclined to dismiss that statement as BS.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: JPredator on Feb 20, 2015, 11:51:44 AM
Post by: JPredator on Feb 20, 2015, 11:51:44 AM
Wow, ive got to say that for the first time i am open to alien 3 and 4 being ripleys nightmare based on the idea someone in this topic came up with. Sorry i read it and went to reply so fast i didnt catch the name of the poster.
Prometheus showed us the company has the ability to look into peoples dreams so what if the company simply intercepted the sulaco and has been running simulations on Ripley to test the aliens resourcefulness based on ripleys real experiences.
thats one way that ties the alien films to prometheus and makes sense in terms of alien 3 and 4 existing but also alowing hicks and newt to be alive.
thats the first idea ive heard that i think would be acceptable if the film makers insist on having hicks and newt alive it it being a sequel to aliens.
kudos to whoever came up with that.
Prometheus showed us the company has the ability to look into peoples dreams so what if the company simply intercepted the sulaco and has been running simulations on Ripley to test the aliens resourcefulness based on ripleys real experiences.
thats one way that ties the alien films to prometheus and makes sense in terms of alien 3 and 4 existing but also alowing hicks and newt to be alive.
thats the first idea ive heard that i think would be acceptable if the film makers insist on having hicks and newt alive it it being a sequel to aliens.
kudos to whoever came up with that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 20, 2015, 12:14:35 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 20, 2015, 12:14:35 PM
it was a guest called "The Evil Pred" - I'm in agreement, its a brilliant scenario, one that fits the 'vers and and the nature of WeyYu
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 12:17:53 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 12:17:53 PM
Really? Because I think it's an awful, incredibly cheap idea.
If they have to undo the third and fourth films, I'd honestly rather they just wrote them off completely than do something silly like that. I was taught in primary school that "It was all a dream" is among the weakest narrative devices.
If they have to undo the third and fourth films, I'd honestly rather they just wrote them off completely than do something silly like that. I was taught in primary school that "It was all a dream" is among the weakest narrative devices.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 20, 2015, 12:54:22 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 20, 2015, 12:54:22 PM
Hudafuk has a good point but I'm split on the idea. "It was all a bad dream" is a terrible literary device, but in the case of Ripley it was established in 86 that she has terrible dreams and can't sleep. A dream that Newt dies is entirely plausible. A dream that WY or USCMC betrays her and clones her is also plausible. If ever the dream angle made sense, it is here. It could be a way to fix the damage caused by A3 and AR without retconning those films entirely. I do really like Alien 3 so if done cleverly, this could make sense. It would all have to be about the execution...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 20, 2015, 01:04:07 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 20, 2015, 01:04:07 PM
HuDa's vehemently anti any "nightmare" scenario, I think - the one postulated by The Evil Pred is solid as far as I'm concerned. We'll probably find out that the Evil Pred is Neill Blomkamp in disguise and is testing the water *lol*
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2015, 01:06:44 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2015, 01:06:44 PM
It completely works - especially after Prometheus. It's just cheap.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 20, 2015, 01:12:59 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 20, 2015, 01:12:59 PM
Waking up in bed screaming and having an adult Newt come over an ask "if the dreams are getting worse again" is cheap. Evil Pred's notion isn't cheap in that its the best and most fitting retcon idea I've read on here (in my view only, all the others are equally fine, this is just my favourite one because it actually works with what we know to be "true" of both Hypersleep and how Wey-Yu operate.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2015, 01:29:22 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2015, 01:29:22 PM
It's still cheap. Regardless of execution, "it was all a dream" will always be a cheap story device.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 01:38:18 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 01:38:18 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2015, 01:29:22 PMIt's still cheap. Regardless of execution, "it was all a dream" will always be a cheap story device.
Exactly.
If they're going to write off the later films - and I'd very much rather they didn't - but if that's what they decide to do, better to just ignore them totally and start over from the end of Aliens.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: szkoki on Feb 20, 2015, 01:39:44 PM
Post by: szkoki on Feb 20, 2015, 01:39:44 PM
2 movies as dreams :D okay
Rather time travel. BTW the Hicks and Ripley concept art doesnt mean they will be in the movie. Lets wait it out what Fox approves and Riddley approves -if he is really included- as script.
Rather time travel. BTW the Hicks and Ripley concept art doesnt mean they will be in the movie. Lets wait it out what Fox approves and Riddley approves -if he is really included- as script.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 01:45:57 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 01:45:57 PM
No dreams.
No time travel.
No splinter universe/timeline.
If they're going to ignore something, just flat out ignore it. Simple.
No time travel.
No splinter universe/timeline.
If they're going to ignore something, just flat out ignore it. Simple.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 20, 2015, 01:47:17 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 20, 2015, 01:47:17 PM
Exactly. You guys are overthinking this aspect.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 20, 2015, 02:07:57 PM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 20, 2015, 02:07:57 PM
Its you guys who are dreaming. Weaver, Ridley Scott, Blomkamp, and especially fox aren't going to ignore the last two films just to appeal to a minority of butt hurt fanboys who never got over the fact that they didn't get more marines vs Aliens action in the later sequels.
Go ask the Strause bros to come back if you want lazy and cheap idea's like dream sequences in this new alien movie.
Go ask the Strause bros to come back if you want lazy and cheap idea's like dream sequences in this new alien movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 20, 2015, 02:15:19 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 20, 2015, 02:15:19 PM
Quote from: SuperM on Feb 19, 2015, 11:58:20 PM
I would like to see a film about Robert Morse, who is serving as a creative consultant on a movie based on the best seller he penned after leaving Fury151 titled 'I Don't f**king Believe It Either', which he insists has nothing to do with butter.
The film (within the film) opens with an EEV containing Nicks, Hoot, Bashup and Ridley falling towards a prison planet and loosely recreates the events of Alien 3. The film is secretly financed by Weyland Yutani and is made deliberately bad to discredit Morse, however it is still superior to AVP: Requiem. Fans become obsessed with the characters of Nicks and Hoot and demand sequels. The unexpected success of the movie is frustrating for Weyland Yutani, who tried their hardest to make a terrible movie... but it somehow is a total box office success. A Michael Bay joke is used here. Morse also despises the movie, as sequences shot behind his back show him to be a idiotic, violent, cursing moron who is largely useless and only escapes out of sheer luck. The director insists the portrayal is accurate.
Morse writes another book entitled 'I Still Don't f**king Believe It' and is haunted in his dreams by the alien, which is now one of the most iconic images in the world. Everywhere he goes, he sees xeno dolls, toys, action figures. The beast is everywhere. His crusade to expose Weyland Yutani has failed. He overdoses and dies.
The final scene shows Morse's death on a cinema screen, and as the camera pulls back we see 'Hicks' smoking a cigar, watching the credits roll. 'What a f**king load of shit' he says, as the film fades out.
That you SM?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 02:50:58 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 02:50:58 PM
I noticed that people were arguing about this movie's placement in the chronology for the past few pages.
We don't have much to speculate from, but I'd take the official Fox statement to be the clearest, and with it being the newest development, probably the closest to the truth.
A SEQUEL to the ALIEN FRANCHISE. Not to the Prometheus franchise. Not a prequel to the Alien franchise. All other "reports" are probably unsubstantiated. It's very early for all this information to be leaking.
And I guess this movie will be a Prometheus 2 sequel by proxy, but the Fox statement makes it sound like it's directly a sequel to the Alien franchise.
I don't understand why people are bothered by the prospect of Prometheus and Alien being even more interconnected. Maybe in some ways, yes, Prometheus shook the thematic ground of the series. But I still think they compliment each other. Even with whatever flaws Prometheus may have
We don't have much to speculate from, but I'd take the official Fox statement to be the clearest, and with it being the newest development, probably the closest to the truth.
A SEQUEL to the ALIEN FRANCHISE. Not to the Prometheus franchise. Not a prequel to the Alien franchise. All other "reports" are probably unsubstantiated. It's very early for all this information to be leaking.
And I guess this movie will be a Prometheus 2 sequel by proxy, but the Fox statement makes it sound like it's directly a sequel to the Alien franchise.
I don't understand why people are bothered by the prospect of Prometheus and Alien being even more interconnected. Maybe in some ways, yes, Prometheus shook the thematic ground of the series. But I still think they compliment each other. Even with whatever flaws Prometheus may have
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 02:58:59 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 02:58:59 PM
I liked Prometheus for what it was, even though the second half was an absolute mess (full of shoddy editing/pacing and gaping plot holes--I always point to the C-Section sequence as an example. A terrific scene, bookended by two of the absolute dumbest moments in the film that almost completely take me out of the film. Oh, Shaw just ran off to go abort her alien baby. Let's just let her do her thing IN WEYLAND'S MED POD, no harm no foul. We'll just use the time to wake up Weyland WHO IS TOTALLY ON THE VERGE OF DEATH AND MIGHT NEED THAT MED POD UPON WAKING UP. Oh, and we won't bother seeing if the alien baby survived or not. Or studying it. Or anything.).
I liked the Engineers, but as their own thing. I wish that they weren't the Space Jockies, that they weren't human. Prometheus did rupture the thematic ground on which Alien stood. It did it with extremely interesting ideas, things that I still would like to see further explored, but I would have preferred it done another step removed from the world of Alien. Incomprehensible cosmic horrors, by very definition, shouldn't have to be relatable, let alone human.
I liked the Engineers, but as their own thing. I wish that they weren't the Space Jockies, that they weren't human. Prometheus did rupture the thematic ground on which Alien stood. It did it with extremely interesting ideas, things that I still would like to see further explored, but I would have preferred it done another step removed from the world of Alien. Incomprehensible cosmic horrors, by very definition, shouldn't have to be relatable, let alone human.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 03:18:09 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 03:18:09 PM
If this film will be a sequel, they by default Hicks can't be in it so we might as well stop hoping.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 03:22:41 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 03:22:41 PM
It could easily be a sequel to Aliens though. Only time will tell, really.
At this point I really don't care. Just curious to see what Blomkamp does with the film in general. While I'd prefer if Alien 3 stayed intact, like Val said it's not like that film didn't mess with continuity in its own ways (lol egg magically tucked away on the ship), and fans still get behind it.
And even if this film does, for lack of a better term, "overwrite" Alien 3, it's not like it's going to go anywhere. I--and everyone else--can still watch and enjoy it on its own. At the end of the day, all these are is movies. Heavy continuity is cool if you're into that sort of thing, but for me a lot of the fun and intrigue of the Alien series has been seeing new filmmakers come in and put their own stamp on it. Each film has its own identity, and to see the franchise go in yet another new direction under new vision will hopefully make for another interesting experience.
At this point I really don't care. Just curious to see what Blomkamp does with the film in general. While I'd prefer if Alien 3 stayed intact, like Val said it's not like that film didn't mess with continuity in its own ways (lol egg magically tucked away on the ship), and fans still get behind it.
And even if this film does, for lack of a better term, "overwrite" Alien 3, it's not like it's going to go anywhere. I--and everyone else--can still watch and enjoy it on its own. At the end of the day, all these are is movies. Heavy continuity is cool if you're into that sort of thing, but for me a lot of the fun and intrigue of the Alien series has been seeing new filmmakers come in and put their own stamp on it. Each film has its own identity, and to see the franchise go in yet another new direction under new vision will hopefully make for another interesting experience.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 20, 2015, 03:32:02 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 20, 2015, 03:32:02 PM
Now I'm wondering who Copley will play. Mocap on Alien queen, maybe? :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 03:33:06 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 03:33:06 PM
Hurry up and watch Elysium mang. I want to hear your thoughts on Kruger. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 20, 2015, 03:45:49 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 20, 2015, 03:45:49 PM
Hope Blomkamp eventually gets around to doing that Kruger GTA style spinoff he talked about. Just one big epic heist movie!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 03:54:16 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 03:54:16 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 03:33:06 PMHurry up and watch Elysium mang. I want to hear your thoughts on Kruger. :P
"Pull it out! It's just a flesh wound, Butch!" *BOOM*
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 20, 2015, 04:02:47 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 20, 2015, 04:02:47 PM
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: gabgrave on Feb 20, 2015, 04:04:02 PM
Post by: gabgrave on Feb 20, 2015, 04:04:02 PM
Actually, considering Blomkamp has this thing for powered armor, what do you think are the odds of seeing ALICE verses Alien Horde and Queen in the film? Either that or the Berserker Armor, or something along the lines of the XM-550 CHAS Unit?
I've always been in awe of CHAS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z22BJbx-HJc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z22BJbx-HJc#)
I've always been in awe of CHAS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z22BJbx-HJc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z22BJbx-HJc#)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:09:58 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:09:58 PM
Quote from: gabgrave on Feb 20, 2015, 04:04:02 PM
Actually, considering Blomkamp has this thing for powered armor, what do you think are the odds of seeing ALICE verses Alien Horde and Queen in the film? Either that or the Berserker Armor, or something long the lines of the XM-550 CHAS Unit?
Doubtful as far as seeing ALICE or the Berserker MAX Armor is concerned. Blomkamp isn't necessarily beholding to the EU, let alone the old EU whatsoever.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2015, 04:12:41 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2015, 04:12:41 PM
I could easily see him using some form of exo-armor. His concept art would suggest he's got an interest in using the Engineer exosuits.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: gabgrave on Feb 20, 2015, 04:13:17 PM
Post by: gabgrave on Feb 20, 2015, 04:13:17 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:09:58 PMIt doesn't have to be them specifically, but something along the same lines. Essentially the powerloader fight with lots of guns, Micheal Bay explosions and JJ Abrams lens flares, and a ton of aliens on screen.
Doubtful as far as seeing ALICE or the Berserker MAX Armor is concerned. Blomkamp isn't necessarily beholding to the EU, let alone the old EU whatsoever.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2015, 04:12:41 PMThose look kinda skintight though. Unless they have something along the size of the original Space Jockey.
I could easily see him using some form of exo-armor. His concept art would suggest he's got an interest in using the Engineer exosuits.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Its Auto on Feb 20, 2015, 04:16:28 PM
Post by: Its Auto on Feb 20, 2015, 04:16:28 PM
I actually take Colonial Marines as canon in the sense that we know the events happen, but not exactly as portrayed in the game.. I think of the game in a similar fashion to 'Alien Trilogy' - Ripley did face her nightmares on LV-426, she did end up in a maximum security prison.. Just not how we played it in the game.. Colonial Marines happened, we know the Sephora was dispatched to LV-426, as it is also mentioned in Aliens: Infestation.. We just havent seen how these events 'really happened' yet ;-) (my personal take)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:19:55 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:19:55 PM
Quote from: gabgrave on Feb 20, 2015, 04:13:17 PM
It doesn't have to be them specifically, but something along the same lines. Essentially the powerloader fight with lots of guns, Micheal Bay explosions and JJ Abrams lens flares, and a ton of aliens on screen.
I could see Blomkamp going the District 9 route and using a mech similar to that but when you put it in the way with the mention of Bay explosions and Abrams lens flares... Makes me thing cautiously about that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: gabgrave on Feb 20, 2015, 04:23:55 PM
Post by: gabgrave on Feb 20, 2015, 04:23:55 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:19:55 PMThat was a joke, no one in their right mind really wants a Titanic super 3D effect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJxj1mou03M. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJxj1mou03M.)
I could see Blomkamp going the District 9 route and using a mech similar to that but when you put it in the way with the mention of Bay explosions and Abrams lens flares... Makes me thing cautiously about that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 20, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 20, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 02:50:58 PM
I noticed that people were arguing about this movie's placement in the chronology for the past few pages.
We don't have much to speculate from, but I'd take the official Fox statement to be the clearest, and with it being the newest development, probably the closest to the truth.
A SEQUEL to the ALIEN FRANCHISE. Not to the Prometheus franchise. Not a prequel to the Alien franchise. All other "reports" are probably unsubstantiated. It's very early for all this information to be leaking.
And I guess this movie will be a Prometheus 2 sequel by proxy, but the Fox statement makes it sound like it's directly a sequel to the Alien franchise.
I don't understand why people are bothered by the prospect of Prometheus and Alien being even more interconnected. Maybe in some ways, yes, Prometheus shook the thematic ground of the series. But I still think they compliment each other. Even with whatever flaws Prometheus may have
One of the most mysterious and awesome thing of ALIEN was the derelict and the space jokey. Prometheus completely ruined it(for some of us) by turning one of the most fascinating creatures into a tall humanoid that is half the size it should be, that has created humans just to destroy them, ad that when it's raped by a giant octopus that is the son of a barren woman and a prick selfish drunk, gives birth to a laughable looking Alien. Oh, and he plays the flute too.
Besides that, no problem!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 04:59:43 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 04:59:43 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 03:22:41 PM
It could easily be a sequel to Aliens though. Only time will tell, really.
At this point I really don't care. Just curious to see what Blomkamp does with the film in general. While I'd prefer if Alien 3 stayed intact, like Val said it's not like that film didn't mess with continuity in its own ways (lol egg magically tucked away on the ship), and fans still get behind it.
And even if this film does, for lack of a better term, "overwrite" Alien 3, it's not like it's going to go anywhere. I--and everyone else--can still watch and enjoy it on its own. At the end of the day, all these are is movies. Heavy continuity is cool if you're into that sort of thing, but for me a lot of the fun and intrigue of the Alien series has been seeing new filmmakers come in and put their own stamp on it. Each film has its own identity, and to see the franchise go in yet another new direction under new vision will hopefully make for another interesting experience.
Reading that makes me wish A3 never happened. There wouldn't be this much division if it hadn't. Come to think of it, I say overwrite A3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: reecebomb on Feb 20, 2015, 05:12:15 PM
Post by: reecebomb on Feb 20, 2015, 05:12:15 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 20, 2015, 04:24:14 PMQuote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 02:50:58 PM
I noticed that people were arguing about this movie's placement in the chronology for the past few pages.
We don't have much to speculate from, but I'd take the official Fox statement to be the clearest, and with it being the newest development, probably the closest to the truth.
A SEQUEL to the ALIEN FRANCHISE. Not to the Prometheus franchise. Not a prequel to the Alien franchise. All other "reports" are probably unsubstantiated. It's very early for all this information to be leaking.
And I guess this movie will be a Prometheus 2 sequel by proxy, but the Fox statement makes it sound like it's directly a sequel to the Alien franchise.
I don't understand why people are bothered by the prospect of Prometheus and Alien being even more interconnected. Maybe in some ways, yes, Prometheus shook the thematic ground of the series. But I still think they compliment each other. Even with whatever flaws Prometheus may have
One of the most mysterious and awesome thing of ALIEN was the derelict and the space jokey. Prometheus completely ruined it(for some of us) by turning one of the most fascinating creatures into a tall humanoid that is half the size it should be, that has created humans just to destroy them, ad that when it's raped by a giant octopus that is the son of a barren woman and a prick selfish drunk, gives birth to a laughable looking Alien. Oh, and he plays the flute too.
Besides that, no problem!
This. Kinda wish i could unsee the damn film. Prometheus made the Alien much less interesting and imo damaged the franchise far more than any of the AvP films or Alien Res. As stand alone feature Prometheus is quite a bit better than AvP1 and Requiem. I appreciate Prometheus as a nicely done Star Trek episode.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 05:18:01 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 05:18:01 PM
^This.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 05:20:10 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 05:20:10 PM
It's interesting to see how divided fans are when it comes to the movies. Makes me chuckle and shake my head.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 20, 2015, 05:36:31 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 20, 2015, 05:36:31 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 05:20:10 PM
It's interesting to see how divided fans are when it comes to the movies. Makes me chuckle and shake my head.
Some folk like Predators, some don't. Some like Prometheus, some don't. It's certainly healthy to have divisions in opinion. The only real problem is when people can't stand that others think differently from them. If we're lucky, we have good discussions and nice articulated arguments from it all.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 20, 2015, 05:37:21 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 20, 2015, 05:37:21 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 05:20:10 PM
It's interesting to see how divided fans are when it comes to the movies. Makes me chuckle and shake my head.
Fair to say that's never going to change... :)
Regardless of whether it's a retcon, carries on from A:R or goes in another direction entirely, my main hope is that Blomkamp can give us a film that restores the reputation of the series after all the damage that has been done to it in recent years...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:01:59 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:01:59 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 20, 2015, 05:36:31 PM
Some folk like Predators, some don't. Some like Prometheus, some don't. It's certainly healthy to have divisions in opinion. The only real problem is when people can't stand that others think differently from them. If we're lucky, we have good discussions and nice articulated arguments from it all.
I am all for different opinions and everyone having their own personal canon. Infact, I encourage fanon universes based off of personal canon! But a lot like you, I think the real problem is when there are fans who pretty much put down the opinion of fans who enjoyed certain movies, whether they were better received or ill-received. That's something I could do without from the fandom.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 20, 2015, 05:37:21 PM
Regardless of whether it's a retcon, carries on from A:R or goes in another direction entirely, my main hope is that Blomkamp can give us a film that restores the reputation of the series after all the damage that has been done to it in recent years...
Truth be told I don't think that the franchise has been damaged. It's endured quite a lot within the last twenty three years and still trucking along just fine. Even the ill-received movies took in a lot of money and still sold quite a fair deal of merchandise. I mean even the AvP movies are still bringing in money from collectables and stuff.. even if the movies didn't go well with most fans (I'm one of the few who enjoyed both), people are still buying figures of characters and what not.
So the only way a franchise can be damaged truly, and irreparably is if they outright stop making movies and stop selling merchandise when an entry in the series is so, so bad that little to no product is released. As far as I am aware.. only one franchise has suffered that type of irreparable damage, and that's the Jaws franchise.
The Alien franchise, with the Alien 3's, Resurrections and Versus... is still trucking along without slowing down.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 06:18:49 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 06:18:49 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 20, 2015, 04:24:14 PMI know the movie has shoddy writing but you're making it sound so much worse than it actually was.Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 02:50:58 PM
I noticed that people were arguing about this movie's placement in the chronology for the past few pages.
We don't have much to speculate from, but I'd take the official Fox statement to be the clearest, and with it being the newest development, probably the closest to the truth.
A SEQUEL to the ALIEN FRANCHISE. Not to the Prometheus franchise. Not a prequel to the Alien franchise. All other "reports" are probably unsubstantiated. It's very early for all this information to be leaking.
And I guess this movie will be a Prometheus 2 sequel by proxy, but the Fox statement makes it sound like it's directly a sequel to the Alien franchise.
I don't understand why people are bothered by the prospect of Prometheus and Alien being even more interconnected. Maybe in some ways, yes, Prometheus shook the thematic ground of the series. But I still think they compliment each other. Even with whatever flaws Prometheus may have
One of the most mysterious and awesome thing of ALIEN was the derelict and the space jokey. Prometheus completely ruined it(for some of us) by turning one of the most fascinating creatures into a tall humanoid that is half the size it should be, that has created humans just to destroy them, ad that when it's raped by a giant octopus that is the son of a barren woman and a prick selfish drunk, gives birth to a laughable looking Alien. Oh, and he plays the flute too.
Besides that, no problem!
Honestly none of those things I had a problem with. I give more criticism to the dumb scientists and the fact that they let Shaw just run around the place using their tech and whatnot while they just chill with Weyland to put his clothes on. And then bring her along for the ride haha
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 20, 2015, 05:36:31 PMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 05:20:10 PM
It's interesting to see how divided fans are when it comes to the movies. Makes me chuckle and shake my head.
Some folk like Predators, some don't. Some like Prometheus, some don't. It's certainly healthy to have divisions in opinion. The only real problem is when people can't stand that others think differently from them. If we're lucky, we have good discussions and nice articulated arguments from it all.
I'll choose Prometheus over Predators. Any day.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:30:11 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:30:11 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
I'll choose Prometheus over Predators. Any day.
Agreed.
PREDATORS just made me very apprehensive of future releases of the franchises. For me, that movie is the Robocop 3 of the Predator franchise. I hope Shane's movie ignores it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 20, 2015, 06:37:51 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 20, 2015, 06:37:51 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:30:11 PMOh, how you betrayed me. :o :-[Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
I'll choose Prometheus over Predators. Any day.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:39:51 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:39:51 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 20, 2015, 06:37:51 PM
Oh, how you betrayed me. :o :-[
What are you talking about?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 20, 2015, 06:50:12 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 20, 2015, 06:50:12 PM
Taking Prometheus over Predators.
Spoiler
It's a joke.
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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:55:21 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:55:21 PM
Ah. Yeah it's.. kind of hard to tell when one is joking on internet!
But yeah, I'd take Prometheus or AvP films over PREDATORS.
But yeah, I'd take Prometheus or AvP films over PREDATORS.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 06:59:00 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 06:59:00 PM
I honestly much prefer Predators. At least it didn't have some high and mighty opinion of itself. It was what it was and it knew it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 07:05:34 PM
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 07:05:34 PM
Yeah you've got to give it to Predators, it set out to be uninspiring and derivative, nailing both in the process.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:08:42 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:08:42 PM
I never understood what was so bad about Predators actually. I understand why people dislike AVPR since it's almost like a bad 70's horror flick, but I thought Predators was pretty nicely done (then again I obsessed over all the featurettes and whatnot that was released before the film was, and that helped explain the director's vision more clearly).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 07:12:31 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 07:12:31 PM
Because Predators, like the AvP movies, couldn't go more than two minutes without paying homage to the older films. There was nothing original about it and it tried to present itself as a fresh product.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 07:13:28 PM
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 07:13:28 PM
I wouldn't say Predators is bad, it's a 6/10 film imo
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 07:14:23 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 07:14:23 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 07:12:31 PMit tried to present itself as a fresh product.
I never got that impression at all. I felt like it knew exactly what it was doing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Spidey3121 on Feb 20, 2015, 07:15:29 PM
Post by: Spidey3121 on Feb 20, 2015, 07:15:29 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:30:11 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
I'll choose Prometheus over Predators. Any day.
Agreed.
PREDATORS just made me very apprehensive of future releases of the franchises. For me, that movie is the Robocop 3 of the Predator franchise. I hope Shane's movie ignores it.
O my, I entirely forgot they already announced another Predator movie :laugh:
And yes, I'd take Prometheus over Predators. I didn't care all that much for Predators, honestly. Certainly doesn't match up to P1 or P2. It's serviceable, & at times entertaining, but overall mediocre, & tries too damn hard to remind you of the original, as Doom just pointed about.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
In any event, I'll steer this back to A5 by saying I hope it doesn't end up being the Predators of the Alien franchise. I expect references to the other films, but only because they're story relevant. They don't need to be ham-fisted "wink wink, nudge nudge" moments.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 07:22:18 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 07:22:18 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:08:42 PM
I never understood what was so bad about Predators actually. I understand why people dislike AVPR since it's almost like a bad 70's horror flick, but I thought Predators was pretty nicely done (then again I obsessed over all the featurettes and whatnot that was released before the film was, and that helped explain the director's vision more clearly).
Well for me, it was mostly a project being given to the wrong hands. Namely Robert Rodriguez. I mean after reading the 1994 script which he came up with, I knew I was going to have trouble digesting that movie. And sure, Finch and Litvak overhauled the script to where it was slightly better than what Rodriguez wrote up.. For me it cheapened the Predators themselves.
I mean the whole problem for me was the idea of this Preserve Planet where it was kept in mind for Predators to have every single advantage over their prey. It was no longer about the challenge of the sport, removed the thrill of the hunt. The idea of a Predator alienating themselves into an unfamiliar terrain and putting themselves against the most dangerous game was thrown out when the concept of the Preserve Planet came to be. And the idea of it being a jungle planet too was done for the sake of "taking it back to the jungle". And then there were the Super Predators.. whom I felt completely devalued the original.
Those are my problems with the movie..
As far as Prometheus goes.. I liked it at first. But then over time my opinion of it changed, quite a lot like Resurrection really. I used to like Resurrection as a kid. But in regards to Prometheus.. I found the film to be extremely pretentious, filled with nonsensical metaphorical bull which I really don't need in order to be entertained as far as a movie goes. I am more generous with Prometheus than I am with PREDATORS because I am not so invested in the Alien side of things but... Prometheus is pretentious.
Where yo' monocle at, Prometheus? Muuuhurhurhur!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: stroggificated on Feb 20, 2015, 07:41:42 PM
Post by: stroggificated on Feb 20, 2015, 07:41:42 PM
I'm waiting for the announcement of Winona Ryder's return 8)
Still better than bringing Hicks back to life :P
Unless he's going to be cloned, but why would you do that and why would his burns be a part of it?
I can't take this very seriously atm. ;D
Still better than bringing Hicks back to life :P
Unless he's going to be cloned, but why would you do that and why would his burns be a part of it?
I can't take this very seriously atm. ;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:43:19 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:43:19 PM
It could also be a synthetic modeled after Hicks; that was going to be the plot of a 3D Aliens effects show but it got scrapped before it could be produced. :(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 07:47:04 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 07:47:04 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:43:19 PM
It could also be a synthetic modeled after Hicks; that was going to be the plot of a 3D Aliens effects show but it got scrapped before it could be produced. :(
Wait.. what? I never heard of that before!
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:48:14 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:48:14 PM
The script is on one of the bonus discs for the Alien Anthology.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 07:49:01 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 07:49:01 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:43:19 PM
It could also be a synthetic modeled after Hicks; that was going to be the plot of a 3D Aliens effects show but it got scrapped before it could be produced. :(
That would be about as interesting to me as Ripley 8. Not at all. Hicks and Ripley aren't just faces with names. They're fully fleshed out characters.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 20, 2015, 07:59:55 PM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 20, 2015, 07:59:55 PM
Hopefully ADI will be kept well away from this too.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 20, 2015, 08:10:37 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 20, 2015, 08:10:37 PM
Blomkamp's new "Alien" movie will be released March 4, 2016.
20th Century Fox have confirmed that Neill Blomkamp ("Elysium") will direct a sequel to the original "Alien" movie franchise, with Signourney Weaver as 'Ellen Ripley
http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2015/02/ripley-returning-for-more-alien.html (http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2015/02/ripley-returning-for-more-alien.html)
20th Century Fox have confirmed that Neill Blomkamp ("Elysium") will direct a sequel to the original "Alien" movie franchise, with Signourney Weaver as 'Ellen Ripley
http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2015/02/ripley-returning-for-more-alien.html (http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2015/02/ripley-returning-for-more-alien.html)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 08:11:21 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 08:11:21 PM
Ripley confirmed too, eh.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 20, 2015, 08:12:46 PM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 20, 2015, 08:12:46 PM
Er, no I don't think so. You're having a laugh with that release date considering he hasn't even wrote the script yet.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 20, 2015, 08:13:43 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 20, 2015, 08:13:43 PM
Yep, 3 months min on pre-production.
3 months on very min for filming.
9 months on very min for post production and visual effects.
3 months on very min for filming.
9 months on very min for post production and visual effects.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 08:14:32 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 08:14:32 PM
More to the point, isn't Prometheus 2 out right around then?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 20, 2015, 08:18:57 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 20, 2015, 08:18:57 PM
Wasn't The Martian scheduled for that March 4, 2016 release date? Methinks Sneakpeak got confused with them dates.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 20, 2015, 08:21:50 PM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 20, 2015, 08:21:50 PM
I believe so, yeah. Or at least hasn't Scott confirmed The Martian will be his next film?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:22:09 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:22:09 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 20, 2015, 08:13:43 PM
Yep, 3 months min on pre-production.
3 months on very min for filming.
9 months on very min for post production and visual effects.
Pre-production could already be done.
There are huge chances he talked to fox prior this despite what might be said and have just released a couple of concepts he draw that are never going to be into the film so it was perfectly safe to tease and see the fans reaction so fox could finally approve the project and give it a greenlight.
It might be much more developed already than everyone think.
And there are huge chances he doesn't use ADI for the props but rather WETA and there are also huge chances the creatures are entirely done in post-production since it's kinda blomkamp trademark.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:25:28 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:25:28 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 04:59:43 PM
Reading that makes me wish A3 never happened. There wouldn't be this much division if it hadn't. Come to think of it, I say overwrite A3.
Division is fine. I welcome it with open arms. When both sides remain civil, it makes for very engaging discussion.
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Feb 20, 2015, 07:59:55 PM
Hopefully ADI will be kept well away from this too.
Why? ADI is great. Complain about fleshy Aliens, but they were just delivering on the directors' requests. I'd love to see them take a stab at something more Giger-influenced.
Though I'd be really ecstatic if Blomkamp was able to get Weta on board again.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 20, 2015, 08:10:37 PM
Blomkamp's new "Alien" movie will be released March 4, 2016.
20th Century Fox have confirmed that Neill Blomkamp ("Elysium") will direct a sequel to the original "Alien" movie franchise, with Signourney Weaver as 'Ellen Ripley
http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2015/02/ripley-returning-for-more-alien.html (http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2015/02/ripley-returning-for-more-alien.html)
Don't think I buy that release date, unless it's been in pre-production for months without us knowing and it starts shooting tomorrow. Which almost certainly isn't the case. I'll hold out for a more reliable source.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 08:25:38 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 08:25:38 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:22:09 PMPre-production could already be done.
I highly doubt that. I believe Blomkamp when he said the concept art had nothing to do with Fox. In fact I get the feeling he threw that out there as an underhanded sales pitch to the studio. The studio wouldn't have let him release it if it had been done officially for the film, certainly not this early.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:26:52 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:26:52 PM
Also, guys, keep in mind that Chappie only finished post a couple weeks ago.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 20, 2015, 08:27:00 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 20, 2015, 08:27:00 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:22:09 PM
Pre-production could already be done.
lolnope
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 20, 2015, 08:30:32 PM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 20, 2015, 08:30:32 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:25:28 PM
Why? ADI is great. Complain about fleshy Aliens, but they were just delivering on the directors' requests. I'd love to see them take a stab at something more Giger-influenced.
ADI are awful and terribly overrated. They've had 4 attempts at the Alien, and cocked it up each time. Let's give someone else a shot.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:31:30 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:31:30 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 08:25:38 PMQuote from: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:22:09 PMPre-production could already be done.
I highly doubt that. I believe Blomkamp when he said the concept art had nothing to do with Fox. In fact I get the feeling he threw that out there as an underhanded sales pitch to the studio. The studio wouldn't have let him release it if it had been done officially for the film, certainly not this early.
As I said in another topic, it's more like a fan-art or a "tribute" he made.
It seems quite obvious it is not related to the film he envision.
No one would make such a mistake to publish that just like this.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 20, 2015, 08:27:00 PMQuote from: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:22:09 PM
Pre-production could already be done.
lolnope
I actually meant "more advanced than we think". My stupid brain typed "done". :P
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:26:52 PM
Also, guys, keep in mind that Chappie only finished post a couple weeks ago.
That doesn't mean you can work on multiple project.
Post-production isn't a very engaging one for directors, skype and server exchange with one daily is more than enough.
At least that's the way I've always seen it in the industry.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 08:38:03 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 08:38:03 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Feb 20, 2015, 08:30:32 PMADI are awful and terribly overrated. They've had 4 attempts at the Alien, and cocked it up each time. Let's give someone else a shot.
Their work on Alien 3 was great.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:41:51 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:41:51 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:31:30 PM
That doesn't mean you can work on multiple project.
Post-production isn't a very engaging one for directors, skype and server exchange with one daily is more than enough.
At least that's the way I've always seen it in the industry.
For a very "hands off" director, maybe.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 08:38:03 PMQuote from: TheBATMAN on Feb 20, 2015, 08:30:32 PMADI are awful and terribly overrated. They've had 4 attempts at the Alien, and cocked it up each time. Let's give someone else a shot.
Their work on Alien 3 was great.
And a ton of other non-Alien films as well. I'd have no qualms at all with them returning under Blomkamp's direction.
That being said, I really want (and expect) Weta to be involved as well. District 9, Elysium, and Chappie are all testaments to the fantastic work they've achieved in the past, and at this point they've collaborated so much it must be like a well oiled machine. They get each other.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 20, 2015, 08:43:29 PM
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 20, 2015, 08:43:29 PM
There is less than zero chance that article is legitimate. Excluding the open question of Ridley Scott and the Prometheus sequel and its potential release, Chappie is just now coming out. Timetables simply do not work like that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:44:17 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:44:17 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 20, 2015, 08:43:29 PM
There is less than zero chance that article is legitimate. Excluding the open question of Ridley Scott and the Prometheus sequel and its potential release, Chappie is just now coming out. Timetables simply do not work like that.
Yup.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 08:56:05 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 08:56:05 PM
Some of you need to take some deep breathing exercises. I honestly, hope they don't include Hicks, as it was from concept art. Or.......even try to add this in with Alien Resurrection (I am assuming they won't). There's not a lot of options than to overwrite Alien 3, and Alien 3 is such a visually magnificent film, I'm cautious if Blomkamp can achieve that same level. Think of it this way, if they add Hicks from the Colonial Marines continuity mess, what on earth are you thinking. If they add him and just write over Alien 3, it's like, ehhhhhh ehh, ehhhhh I'm not sure what I think of it. Alien 3 compliments Prometheus (I myself just watch an edit I've made of Prometheus with deleted scenes and uneeded scenes taken out, fixed continuity ) in that it is has very religious undertones, I tend to get it as helping make everything more tonally consistent for what they're trying to achieve, which is really unique in films science fiction history. The themes of Alien 3, and pre-written Alien 3 material, pretty much are the foundations for Prometheus to exist and add on to what it added, but not necessarily pulled off.
It just feels like over writing is jamming something in there that might not be pulled off well at all, might not keep a consistent tone. Including it before Alien 3 makes absolutely no sense and is just retconning for retconning sake to see Ripley. I suppose writing over Alien 3 accomplishes the same retconning for retconning sake to see Ripley just as well. I'm not even sure if the Alien franchise needs Ripley, there are plenty of avenues you can explore in this really rich world, that do not need Ripley and Hicks to guide us through them.
I am just very...neutral, about this whole thing. If it's happening then, well, it's happening and I hope it works.
And you know, there's gonna be some arguments. Some pretty emotionally charged arguments.
It just feels like over writing is jamming something in there that might not be pulled off well at all, might not keep a consistent tone. Including it before Alien 3 makes absolutely no sense and is just retconning for retconning sake to see Ripley. I suppose writing over Alien 3 accomplishes the same retconning for retconning sake to see Ripley just as well. I'm not even sure if the Alien franchise needs Ripley, there are plenty of avenues you can explore in this really rich world, that do not need Ripley and Hicks to guide us through them.
I am just very...neutral, about this whole thing. If it's happening then, well, it's happening and I hope it works.
And you know, there's gonna be some arguments. Some pretty emotionally charged arguments.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: A.F on Feb 20, 2015, 09:06:34 PM
Post by: A.F on Feb 20, 2015, 09:06:34 PM
To be sure that the new Alien movie would be great. This should be made by James Cameron!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 09:08:23 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 09:08:23 PM
He's a bit busy with the next three Avatar films at the moment.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: A.F on Feb 20, 2015, 09:13:49 PM
Post by: A.F on Feb 20, 2015, 09:13:49 PM
I rather wait that give a important franchise to some newbie. The concept art are great, but if he fails to deliver?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 09:17:16 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 09:17:16 PM
I wouldn't really call him a "newbie" at this point. This is going to be his fourth film. Anyways, Scott and Fincher were both "newbies" when they made their Alien films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 20, 2015, 09:18:47 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 20, 2015, 09:18:47 PM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 08:56:05 PMIt just feels like over writing is jamming something in there that might not be pulled off well at all, might not keep a consistent tone.All the four Alien films are different in tone. The least I'd like to see would be a return to the dead tone of Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 09:19:31 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 09:19:31 PM
Quote from: A.F on Feb 20, 2015, 09:13:49 PM
I rather wait that give a important franchise to some newbie. The concept art are great, but if he fails to deliver?
I'd rather someone give inject new artistry than constantly relying on the oh-great-magnificent-film-patriarchs and have them constantly sucking up oceans of cash. If this were 1985 I'm sure people would be lamenting the loss of Ridley Scott as director.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 20, 2015, 09:20:42 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 20, 2015, 09:20:42 PM
Yeah, Scott had only made one film when he did Alien, and Cameron had done two. One of those two was T1... the other was Piranha 2: The Spawning. So he was 50/50 like some say Blomkamp is.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 09:49:37 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 09:49:37 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 20, 2015, 08:10:37 PM
Blomkamp's new "Alien" movie will be released March 4, 2016.
Seems too soon and too good to be true.
The movie was announced a few days ago and already a release date? Why so soon? The usual average time rate for a movie to go through development and move into production and post-production is two years at the most.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 09:51:23 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 09:51:23 PM
It's not true.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 09:51:59 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 09:51:59 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 09:51:23 PM
It's not true.
Which is why I said it's too soon and too good to be true.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 10:34:10 PM
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 10:34:10 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on Feb 20, 2015, 05:12:15 PMQuote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 20, 2015, 04:24:14 PMQuote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 02:50:58 PM
I noticed that people were arguing about this movie's placement in the chronology for the past few pages.
We don't have much to speculate from, but I'd take the official Fox statement to be the clearest, and with it being the newest development, probably the closest to the truth.
A SEQUEL to the ALIEN FRANCHISE. Not to the Prometheus franchise. Not a prequel to the Alien franchise. All other "reports" are probably unsubstantiated. It's very early for all this information to be leaking.
And I guess this movie will be a Prometheus 2 sequel by proxy, but the Fox statement makes it sound like it's directly a sequel to the Alien franchise.
I don't understand why people are bothered by the prospect of Prometheus and Alien being even more interconnected. Maybe in some ways, yes, Prometheus shook the thematic ground of the series. But I still think they compliment each other. Even with whatever flaws Prometheus may have
One of the most mysterious and awesome thing of ALIEN was the derelict and the space jokey. Prometheus completely ruined it(for some of us) by turning one of the most fascinating creatures into a tall humanoid that is half the size it should be, that has created humans just to destroy them, ad that when it's raped by a giant octopus that is the son of a barren woman and a prick selfish drunk, gives birth to a laughable looking Alien. Oh, and he plays the flute too.
Besides that, no problem!
This. Kinda wish i could unsee the damn film. Prometheus made the Alien much less interesting and imo damaged the franchise far more than any of the AvP films or Alien Res. As stand alone feature Prometheus is quite a bit better than AvP1 and Requiem. I appreciate Prometheus as a nicely done Star Trek episode.
I thought Prometheus made the alien much more interesting. No longer was it saddled with the hive / queen dynamic; that was just one bug-ilke route the course of alien evolution could take. But now there are so many others. If Blomkamp insists on bringing back the queen it will be a retrograde step IMO.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 20, 2015, 10:50:15 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 20, 2015, 10:50:15 PM
Damn this movie is bringing in the people. Talk about a baby boom! :P
Yea Prometheus is a step up but this is not a Prometheus movie, it's an alien movie. So having the queen would not bother me one bit. :)
However I wonder if it will be one alien or many. Basically it went 1, 154?, 1, and 15? Ok I suppose it was 2 in Alien³ if you count the queen embryo or theatrical cut. :P
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 10:34:10 PMI thought Prometheus made the alien much more interesting. No longer was it saddled with the hive / queen dynamic; that was just one bug-ilke route the course of alien evolution could take. But now there are so many others. If Blomkamp insists on bringing back the queen it will be a retrograde step IMO.
Yea Prometheus is a step up but this is not a Prometheus movie, it's an alien movie. So having the queen would not bother me one bit. :)
However I wonder if it will be one alien or many. Basically it went 1, 154?, 1, and 15? Ok I suppose it was 2 in Alien³ if you count the queen embryo or theatrical cut. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 20, 2015, 10:52:49 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 20, 2015, 10:52:49 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 10:34:10 PMI thought Prometheus made the alien much more interesting. No longer was it saddled with the hive / queen dynamic; that was just one bug-ilke route the course of alien evolution could take. But now there are so many others. If Blomkamp insists on bringing back the queen it will be a retrograde step IMO.Prometheus is NOT PART of the Alien series. It's a related series, set in the same universe, but is not from the same series, it's a different story. They would not be "bringing back the queen", she never went away...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 20, 2015, 10:58:11 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 20, 2015, 10:58:11 PM
I hear by nominate Ripley 08 as the new queen! Why? Cause every time someone gets chest busted a kitty gets its wings! Honestly though, why not, this is a horror movie and I would love to see an evil ellen ripley on screen and then she could also have a proper death scene. I'm talking full carnage people.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 11:02:45 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 11:02:45 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 20, 2015, 10:58:11 PM
I hear by nominate Ripley 08 as the new queen! Why? Cause every time someone gets chest busted a kitty gets its wings! Honestly though, why not, this is a horror movie and I would love to see an evil ellen ripley on screen and then she could also have a proper death scene. I'm talking full carnage people.
This sounds like something @dril would post
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 11:09:20 PM
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 11:09:20 PM
This isn't going to be a sequel to Alien. Weaver looks old as shit and story-wise is makes no sense. They're probably just looking for page clicks.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:12:25 PM
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:12:25 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 20, 2015, 10:52:49 PMQuote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 10:34:10 PMI thought Prometheus made the alien much more interesting. No longer was it saddled with the hive / queen dynamic; that was just one bug-ilke route the course of alien evolution could take. But now there are so many others. If Blomkamp insists on bringing back the queen it will be a retrograde step IMO.Prometheus is NOT PART of the Alien series. It's a related series, set in the same universe, but is not from the same series, it's a different story. They would not be "bringing back the queen", she never went away...
It is part of the ALIEN universe with very obvious connections. Weyland, juggernaut. alien life using hosts, Scott's aestehtic. It's more closely tied to A L I E N, or the Starbeast script, than any of A L I E N's sequels.
Queen = shite. One of Cameron's 'great' ideas.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 11:14:25 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 11:14:25 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:12:25 PMQuote from: Magegg on Feb 20, 2015, 10:52:49 PMQuote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 10:34:10 PMI thought Prometheus made the alien much more interesting. No longer was it saddled with the hive / queen dynamic; that was just one bug-ilke route the course of alien evolution could take. But now there are so many others. If Blomkamp insists on bringing back the queen it will be a retrograde step IMO.Prometheus is NOT PART of the Alien series. It's a related series, set in the same universe, but is not from the same series, it's a different story. They would not be "bringing back the queen", she never went away...
It is part of the ALIEN universe with very obvious connections. Weyland, juggernaut. alien life using hosts, Scott's aestehtic. It's more closely tied to A L I E N, or the Starbeast script, than any of A L I E N's sequels.
Queen = shite. One of Cameron's 'great' ideas.
Honestly things don't have to be so black and white, and it's not a bad idea, nor badly designed. Aliens is a very good film, idk why you need to trash it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:21:51 PM
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:21:51 PM
I saw it in 86, and thought it was a travesty of the ideas A L I E N presented. I have never grown to like it. It is an effective action film and if it wasn't related to A L I E N I would consider it a better than average 80's action flick of the Die Hard stable. But coming on the tails of Rambo, it felt like a horribly toned down, muscled-up reinvention of A L I E N. I admire aspects of it's production, but it's style and presentation do nothing for me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 11:24:51 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 11:24:51 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:21:51 PM
I saw it in 86, and thought it was a travesty of the ideas A L I E N presented. I have never grown to like it. It is an effective action film and if it wasn't related to A L I E N I would consider it a better than average 80's action flick of the Die Hard staple. But coming on the tails of Rambo, it felt like a horribly toned down, muscled up reinvention of A L I E N. I admire aspects of it's production, but it's style and presentation do nothing for me.
Intense amounts of action stretched out with themes of repetition isn't exactly something uniquely Aliens or negative. It just explored the execution of the climax of Alien farther, while expanding upon the film setting. Considering the 80's, it could have been much worse, and the creative team behind Alien agree.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 11:28:35 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 11:28:35 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:21:51 PMI saw it in 86, and thought it was a travesty of the ideas A L I E N presented.
I don't really see how this is in any way true. It's just a logical extension of those ideas.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 20, 2015, 11:31:26 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 20, 2015, 11:31:26 PM
Something was laying those eggs... what else would have made any better sense?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 11:32:12 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 11:32:12 PM
I find it quite surprising that there are people who actually hate ALIENS. That was my first Alien movie and I have fond memories watching it every time my Dad would pick me up from kindergarten and took me to Toys R' Us where I'd get an Alien toy.. I mean I thought ALIENS was a solid movie, a classic for sure and.. I can't wrap my head around why anyone would hate it.
Don't get me wrong, I respect if a person doesn't like it. More power to them but it just... strikes me as odd.
Don't get me wrong, I respect if a person doesn't like it. More power to them but it just... strikes me as odd.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:33:44 PM
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:33:44 PM
I 've seen plenty of interviews with the creative team on A L I E N, who simply, diplomatically, state that it's not their sort of film.
It's just not my sort of film either.
If Blomkamp can do something interesting, then I'm open to seeing what that is, but if it's a story that relies on bringing back characters in order to rehash, or get different closure, on Aliens, then it simply won't interest me.
It's just not my sort of film either.
If Blomkamp can do something interesting, then I'm open to seeing what that is, but if it's a story that relies on bringing back characters in order to rehash, or get different closure, on Aliens, then it simply won't interest me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Feb 20, 2015, 11:34:23 PM
Post by: SiL on Feb 20, 2015, 11:34:23 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:33:44 PMWhich ones? Scott liked it, Giger liked it. O'Bannon didn't?
I 've seen plenty of interviews with the creative team on A L I E N, who simply, diplomatically, state that it's not their sort of film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 20, 2015, 11:42:04 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 20, 2015, 11:42:04 PM
Always saw Aliens as a natural progression to the first film tbh. I grew up on that film though, so I'm probably biased... :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:47:10 PM
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:47:10 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 20, 2015, 11:34:23 PMQuote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:33:44 PMWhich ones? Scott liked it, Giger liked it. O'Bannon didn't?
I 've seen plenty of interviews with the creative team on A L I E N, who simply, diplomatically, state that it's not their sort of film.
One of the guys who worked on A L I E N created a site with a CGI Nostromo, and he had a behind the scenes film in two or three parts - Alien Makers was it? A number of the interviewees on that were indifferent about the sequel.
Also Scott has moderated his views, but has stated that Aliens did a good job at what it did, but it wasn't where he would have seen it going.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 20, 2015, 11:55:25 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 20, 2015, 11:55:25 PM
Scott liked it; Giger found it too action-y but liked the designs (with the exception of the "ribbed cranium"); O'Bannon liked it. See here (https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2013/02/03/alien-alumni-on-aliens/).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 21, 2015, 12:03:05 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 21, 2015, 12:03:05 AM
Even if they didn't, it doesn't invalidate Aliens. It was a critical and creative smash hit with audiences around the world, and helped popularise a HUGE HUUUUGE amount of creative people in film, writing, and video games.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 01:43:42 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 01:43:42 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:12:25 PMobvious connections.More like, fanservice.
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:12:25 PMWeyland, juggernaut. alien life using hosts, Scott's aestehtic.A pretext to create their own different mythology, while taking advantage of the Alien series fame.
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:12:25 PMIt's more closely tied to A L I E N, or the Starbeast script, than any of A L I E N's sequels.It's a movie that doesn't make much sense on its own, and even less sense in connection with A L I E N.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 21, 2015, 02:07:26 AM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 21, 2015, 02:07:26 AM
"Prometheus sucks!!!!" "Aliens sucks!!!!!!!!!!" "AAAAAAAA" why can't we just take the artistry of each while understanding each has flaws.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 21, 2015, 02:22:52 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 21, 2015, 02:22:52 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 01:43:42 AMQuote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:12:25 PMobvious connections.More like, fanservice.
Fan service? But you're not a fan.
However, If Alien 5 is all about fan service to Aliens and screw what came after - that's fine by you.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Shinobi Wan Kenobi on Feb 21, 2015, 02:30:55 AM
Post by: Shinobi Wan Kenobi on Feb 21, 2015, 02:30:55 AM
Yay
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 02:32:21 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 02:32:21 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 21, 2015, 02:22:52 AMI loved Prometheus. As a fan, it gave me all the fan service I wanted (:Quote from: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 01:43:42 AMQuote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:12:25 PMobvious connections.More like, fanservice.
Fan service? But you're not a fan.
However, If Alien 5 is all about fan service to Aliens and screw what came after - that's fine by you.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 03:26:59 AM
Post by: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 03:26:59 AM
Did someone already point out that the H. R. Giger concept art he posted is called "Alien V"?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 21, 2015, 03:46:48 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 21, 2015, 03:46:48 AM
Wasn't there a maquette amongst the first leaked concepts that looked faithful to Giger's alien? Not seen that in recent posts about the concept art.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 03:51:08 AM
Post by: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 03:51:08 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 21, 2015, 03:46:48 AM
Wasn't there a maquette amongst the first leaked concepts that looked faithful to Giger's alien? Not seen that in recent posts about the concept art.
That was just Sideshow's Big Chap bust.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 21, 2015, 03:54:22 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 21, 2015, 03:54:22 AM
Quote from: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 03:51:08 AMQuote from: Gash on Feb 21, 2015, 03:46:48 AM
Wasn't there a maquette amongst the first leaked concepts that looked faithful to Giger's alien? Not seen that in recent posts about the concept art.
That was just Sideshow's Big Chap bust.
It was too good to be true :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 04:00:45 AM
Post by: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 04:00:45 AM
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 21, 2015, 03:54:22 AMQuote from: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 03:51:08 AMQuote from: Gash on Feb 21, 2015, 03:46:48 AM
Wasn't there a maquette amongst the first leaked concepts that looked faithful to Giger's alien? Not seen that in recent posts about the concept art.
That was just Sideshow's Big Chap bust.
It was too good to be true :P
The bust (the exclusive edition) and Giger concept art does seem to suggest he's a fan of the original Alien, so I imagine that's the design he's going to use.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 21, 2015, 04:44:12 AM
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 21, 2015, 04:44:12 AM
Quote from: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 03:51:08 AMQuote from: Gash on Feb 21, 2015, 03:46:48 AM
Wasn't there a maquette amongst the first leaked concepts that looked faithful to Giger's alien? Not seen that in recent posts about the concept art.
That was just Sideshow's Big Chap bust.
I'd prefer a Halo film over an Alien one right now
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rabbit2100 on Feb 21, 2015, 04:51:24 AM
Post by: Rabbit2100 on Feb 21, 2015, 04:51:24 AM
I know its a ways away from preprod of any kind, BUT the fanboy in me is screaming for Blomkamp to combine the first two designs into one. I've always liked the idea of a half domed alien. I whipped this up in photoshop using the beautiful renders by Locusta. His images are stunning and capture every detail of the creature.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 21, 2015, 05:10:34 AM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 21, 2015, 05:10:34 AM
Yes, they should definitely look no further than Locusta's take on the designs. I would love to see both designs, the original and the warrior, used in the same movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HappyAlien on Feb 21, 2015, 07:40:18 AM
Post by: HappyAlien on Feb 21, 2015, 07:40:18 AM
You know what i like about Kane 's Son from Alien and the warriors from Aliens they don't have buck teeth like the Aliens from AVP and AVPR and i think the ones from AR looked pretty shit as well. The ones in AVP and AVPR reminded me of Cleatus from the Simpsons!
Hopefull the new films go back to the original designs and i'd rather not have ADI involved unless they do designs similar to the first two films and not what they did in AR and AVP (Alien 3 design was okay though).
Hopefull the new films go back to the original designs and i'd rather not have ADI involved unless they do designs similar to the first two films and not what they did in AR and AVP (Alien 3 design was okay though).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 21, 2015, 08:05:33 AM
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 21, 2015, 08:05:33 AM
as long as it doesnt look like a man in a suit
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 09:08:30 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 09:08:30 AM
Whatever happens with this movie, I hope they get Charles de Lauzirika to do another amazing making-of.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 21, 2015, 09:17:00 AM
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 21, 2015, 09:17:00 AM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 08:56:05 PM
Some of you need to take some deep breathing exercises. I honestly, hope they don't include Hicks, as it was from concept art. Or.......even try to add this in with Alien Resurrection (I am assuming they won't). There's not a lot of options than to overwrite Alien 3, and Alien 3 is such a visually magnificent film, I'm cautious if Blomkamp can achieve that same level. Think of it this way, if they add Hicks from the Colonial Marines continuity mess, what on earth are you thinking. If they add him and just write over Alien 3, it's like, ehhhhhh ehh, ehhhhh I'm not sure what I think of it. Alien 3 compliments Prometheus (I myself just watch an edit I've made of Prometheus with deleted scenes and uneeded scenes taken out, fixed continuity ) in that it is has very religious undertones, I tend to get it as helping make everything more tonally consistent for what they're trying to achieve, which is really unique in films science fiction history. The themes of Alien 3, and pre-written Alien 3 material, pretty much are the foundations for Prometheus to exist and add on to what it added, but not necessarily pulled off.
It just feels like over writing is jamming something in there that might not be pulled off well at all, might not keep a consistent tone. Including it before Alien 3 makes absolutely no sense and is just retconning for retconning sake to see Ripley. I suppose writing over Alien 3 accomplishes the same retconning for retconning sake to see Ripley just as well. I'm not even sure if the Alien franchise needs Ripley, there are plenty of avenues you can explore in this really rich world, that do not need Ripley and Hicks to guide us through them.
I am just very...neutral, about this whole thing. If it's happening then, well, it's happening and I hope it works.
And you know, there's gonna be some arguments. Some pretty emotionally charged arguments.
Ok. Thank you!!! Thankyou soooo much for this wonderful post. I've spent years arguing with people that the reason the EGG on the sulaco is a mystery is so they could infuse ALIEN 3 with the christian virgin-birth tropes, religious subtext, that the people who made PROMETHEUS obviously understood! I cannot tell you how many people have outright told me I'm crazy and no such subtext existed. Prometheus even made the day Christmas to make it clear. I am sure that whoever wrote that stuff knew they were doing A3 a service.
The other thing - the killing of Newt - it's always been obvious to me that this was done because they wanted Ripley to have lost her daughter, so the Alien growing in her had a sort-of Nightmare version of the Christ-myth thing going. But since the studio had cut the scene with ripley's daughter dying in ALIENS - the only way that could be accomplished for Ripley's character that would make sense to general audiences, was to kill Newt. Ripley's conception of that Queen in her chest, is like a spiritual manifestation - the flip side of Christ who will save the world. Her child will destroy it. So that's why the cruciform pose at the end is so important. Because she found a way to flip it back the other way. She is the christ figure, not the alien inside her. It's actually quite smart writing and it never got the credit it deserved because Fox tried to gut that stuff out of it.
Anyway - since you brought up Prometheus complimenting ALIEN 3, I'd like to add that it also compliments A:R (not that there is much you can do to save A:R from being a badly produced film) but essentially Prometheus compliments A:R because A:R is like humans have now caught up with the genetic experimenting with the Alien that led to the Engineers problems in those holograms in their weapons lab on LV223. I would argue that Prometheus goes out of its way to show that all of W-Y's technology is very similar to where the Engineers tech is - thus the 'We are the gods now' theme. If you watch Prometheus with this in mind 'All the tech the humans have is practically holding a mirror up to the tech they discover the engineers have' it's obvious they did that very deliberately.
Anyway - thank god someone else see's this stuff too. It's there. You just have to know how to look for it.
That said -
I think Blomkamp couldn't be better for this. I wanted him as soon as I saw District 9.
I also do think they should finish Ripley's story for good because leaving A:R where it was is a terrible thing. Its such a great franchise and it ruins it to leave it there. It shouldn't have been let on a cliffhanger after starting it down a whole new path. Especially after A3 ended the series effectively.
Same goes for PROMETHEUS. It absolutely needs its sequel.
I do not think Siggy Weaves will take the part at all, if anyone suggests 3 and 4 are retconned out, and I don't think Blomkamp will want to do that either. If she turns it down, there is no reason to retcon anything.
I think they should finish her story and plant the seeds for it to continue without her. Like Episode VII is doing. They will NOT STOP MAKING ALIEN films so, rather than the eventual remake, this is the path to take.
I find all the hate for 3 , 4 and Prometheus totally unfounded. I dare anyone to name a single film franchise where all 7 (which is what ALIEN V will be - the 7th installment) films - or even 3 films are just as good as Alien and Aliens. You just have to understand that s not how things are. Some are better than others at in this case the best are phenomenal. ts impossible to make 7 films that good, and they are still all pretty damn fantastic in their own right. If you take the films in this series separately they are all very interesting and redeeming in their merits. If things stay on par for PRM 2 and A5, this franchise will be unequal in all Sci-Fi franchises. I already think its the best Sci-Fi franchise of all time, because each film is so different and has tried new things ( AVP not counted whatsoever).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 21, 2015, 10:20:56 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 21, 2015, 10:20:56 AM
Alien³ was an alien movie, A|R was a f**king comedy. It jumped through hoops pulling all kinds of crap cliches.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 04:24:07 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 04:24:07 PM
Just saw these on Facebook:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 04:26:18 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 04:26:18 PM
Really not a fan of that idea.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 04:28:01 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 04:28:01 PM
I'm not sure how I feel about it just yet. It could interesting as a possible direction for the weapons division. All depends on the execution, really.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 04:30:21 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 04:30:21 PM
What if Prometheus 1 and 2, and Alien V, are set in a different continuity than the Alien Quadralogy movies?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 04:32:06 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 04:32:06 PM
Except Fox has specifically said the new film is a "sequel to the Alien franchise". So clearly it exists alongside them.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 04:36:45 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 04:36:45 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 04:32:06 PMExcept Fox has specifically said the new film is a "sequel to the Alien franchise". So clearly it exists alongside them.Maybe it's a way to simplify it, instead of saying "a new sequel to Aliens that exists in an alternate reality where Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection never happened but Prometheus did and it will exist around the same time period".
Or at least that's what I hope for :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 04:41:48 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 04:41:48 PM
I'm sure then they'd just say "a sequel to Aliens" or "reboot" or something. Or a "new sequel in the franchise".
The more I think about it, the more I get the feeling the use of the phrase "sequel to the Alien franchise" means it will be post-Resurrection. That would also best fit with the fact Weaver is now getting on for 20 years older than she was last time out.
The more I think about it, the more I get the feeling the use of the phrase "sequel to the Alien franchise" means it will be post-Resurrection. That would also best fit with the fact Weaver is now getting on for 20 years older than she was last time out.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 04:46:12 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 04:46:12 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 04:41:48 PMI'm sure then they'd just say "a sequel to Aliens" or "reboot" or something. Or a "new sequel in the franchise".A sequel to the Alien series could mean a sequel to any movie of the series, they didn't say "A sequel to Alien Resurrection".
The more I think about it, the more I get the feeling the use of the phrase "sequel to the Alien franchise" means it will be post-Resurrection. That would also best fit with the fact Weaver is now getting on for 20 years older than she was last time out.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 04:56:53 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 04:56:53 PM
Not really. Saying it's a sequel to the franchise implies it comes after. You're saying it's a sequel to the franchise as a whole.
Of course, who knows if they actually put that much thought into the statement.
Of course, who knows if they actually put that much thought into the statement.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 21, 2015, 06:18:53 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 21, 2015, 06:18:53 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 04:28:01 PM
I'm not sure how I feel about it just yet. It could interesting as a possible direction for the weapons division. All depends on the execution, really.
The related concept art says space jockey, so maybe it's meant to be more of a Pilot suit.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 06:31:34 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 04:56:53 PMNot really. Saying it's a sequel to the franchise implies it comes after. You're saying it's a sequel to the franchise as a whole.Yap, as a whole. Not necessarily a sequel to Alien: Resurrection.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 06:33:11 PM
Post by: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 06:33:11 PM
Louis C.K. wants to die in the movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFJGg_GKts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFJGg_GKts)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFJGg_GKts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFJGg_GKts)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 21, 2015, 07:31:39 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 21, 2015, 07:31:39 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:41:51 PMQuote from: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:31:30 PM
That doesn't mean you can work on multiple project.
Post-production isn't a very engaging one for directors, skype and server exchange with one daily is more than enough.
At least that's the way I've always seen it in the industry.
For a very "hands off" director, maybe.
Oh yeah, I forgot that a very engaged director stay in front of the computer screen for an entire week looking at how much % the shot is rendered :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 21, 2015, 07:45:20 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 21, 2015, 07:45:20 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on Feb 20, 2015, 05:12:15 PMQuote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 20, 2015, 04:24:14 PMQuote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 02:50:58 PM
I noticed that people were arguing about this movie's placement in the chronology for the past few pages.
We don't have much to speculate from, but I'd take the official Fox statement to be the clearest, and with it being the newest development, probably the closest to the truth.
A SEQUEL to the ALIEN FRANCHISE. Not to the Prometheus franchise. Not a prequel to the Alien franchise. All other "reports" are probably unsubstantiated. It's very early for all this information to be leaking.
And I guess this movie will be a Prometheus 2 sequel by proxy, but the Fox statement makes it sound like it's directly a sequel to the Alien franchise.
I don't understand why people are bothered by the prospect of Prometheus and Alien being even more interconnected. Maybe in some ways, yes, Prometheus shook the thematic ground of the series. But I still think they compliment each other. Even with whatever flaws Prometheus may have
One of the most mysterious and awesome thing of ALIEN was the derelict and the space jokey. Prometheus completely ruined it(for some of us) by turning one of the most fascinating creatures into a tall humanoid that is half the size it should be, that has created humans just to destroy them, ad that when it's raped by a giant octopus that is the son of a barren woman and a prick selfish drunk, gives birth to a laughable looking Alien. Oh, and he plays the flute too.
Besides that, no problem!
This. Kinda wish i could unsee the damn film. Prometheus made the Alien much less interesting and imo damaged the franchise far more than any of the AvP films or Alien Res. As stand alone feature Prometheus is quite a bit better than AvP1 and Requiem. I appreciate Prometheus as a nicely done Star Trek episode.
+1
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 06:18:49 PMQuote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 20, 2015, 04:24:14 PMI know the movie has shoddy writing but you're making it sound so much worse than it actually was.Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 02:50:58 PM
I noticed that people were arguing about this movie's placement in the chronology for the past few pages.
We don't have much to speculate from, but I'd take the official Fox statement to be the clearest, and with it being the newest development, probably the closest to the truth.
A SEQUEL to the ALIEN FRANCHISE. Not to the Prometheus franchise. Not a prequel to the Alien franchise. All other "reports" are probably unsubstantiated. It's very early for all this information to be leaking.
And I guess this movie will be a Prometheus 2 sequel by proxy, but the Fox statement makes it sound like it's directly a sequel to the Alien franchise.
I don't understand why people are bothered by the prospect of Prometheus and Alien being even more interconnected. Maybe in some ways, yes, Prometheus shook the thematic ground of the series. But I still think they compliment each other. Even with whatever flaws Prometheus may have
One of the most mysterious and awesome thing of ALIEN was the derelict and the space jokey. Prometheus completely ruined it(for some of us) by turning one of the most fascinating creatures into a tall humanoid that is half the size it should be, that has created humans just to destroy them, ad that when it's raped by a giant octopus that is the son of a barren woman and a prick selfish drunk, gives birth to a laughable looking Alien. Oh, and he plays the flute too.
Besides that, no problem!
Honestly none of those things I had a problem with. I give more criticism to the dumb scientists and the fact that they let Shaw just run around the place using their tech and whatnot while they just chill with Weyland to put his clothes on. And then bring her along for the ride haha
If you have no problem with the flute, then I guess that...well...I mean...Good luck.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 07:13:28 PM
I wouldn't say Predators is bad, it's a 6/10 film imo
same here, while AVP is 2/10 and AVP:R is 0/10
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 21, 2015, 07:55:25 PM
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 21, 2015, 07:55:25 PM
I'm honestly just still in shock that Aliens V is actually happening. I saw Resurrection when it first came out on VHS when I was, what, 8 or so. All the chronological/"is a retcon or not?" stuff aside, I have high hopes. Elysium was garbage, but District 9 was pretty great, so I think the series is in good hands.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 21, 2015, 07:55:52 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 21, 2015, 07:55:52 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:43:19 PM
It could also be a synthetic modeled after Hicks; that was going to be the plot of a 3D Aliens effects show but it got scrapped before it could be produced. :(
Michael Biehn must be on the verge of a heart attach those days. The poor guy... Someone should make one of those documentaries about adorable losers with him.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 21, 2015, 07:59:04 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 21, 2015, 07:59:04 PM
I feel like this movie will divide opinions. Some will probably love it, others will probably dislike it. It's in a difficult position, in that it can't possible please everyone.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 08:04:30 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 08:04:30 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 21, 2015, 07:31:39 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:41:51 PMQuote from: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:31:30 PM
That doesn't mean you can work on multiple project.
Post-production isn't a very engaging one for directors, skype and server exchange with one daily is more than enough.
At least that's the way I've always seen it in the industry.
For a very "hands off" director, maybe.
Oh yeah, I forgot that a very engaged director stay in front of the computer screen for an entire week looking at how much % the shot is rendered :P
And overseeing editing, visual effects, audio (music, sound effects, ADR), color correction, planning potential reshoots, etc.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 08:49:46 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 21, 2015, 07:59:04 PMI feel like this movie will divide opinions. Some will probably love it, others will probably dislike it. It's in a difficult position, in that it can't possible please everyone.Everything divides opinions within this particular fandom. The whole quadralogy is a mixed bag. Many people hate Resurrection, many love Alien 3 and the same number of people hates or dislikes it, there are even fans who say Aliens is crap, I think the only thing we can all agree is that the first Alien was great.
That's why I'm saying, whatever, haters gonna hate.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 21, 2015, 08:56:24 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 21, 2015, 08:56:24 PM
Honestly, what really went wrong is the misunderstanding that the Alien is supposed to be similar to early Paleozoic life forms.Something really primitive, just from another world. I think the transition from that to aesthetically, something that's comparable to how Dracula is seen, is when things started getting, ehh. The alien, as a movie monster construct, is a monster that has generic elements and borrows a lot, but what makes it work is its lifecycle, and its vague appearance as a primitive crustacean of some kind, something you can't really fully make out covered in chitin and metal. The underlying idea is, it's a very primitive animal in the shape of a man, that only thinks about reproduction. Prometheus brought those ideas back a bit, and I'm hopefully seeing a return to that. I'm not saying biomechanic this biomechanic-that, the Alien has those elements but if you go too far that route, you mistake the attempts made on Alien and Aliens.
The point of contention, imo, arises, at the point they stopped considering this in production in Alien 3.
The point of contention, imo, arises, at the point they stopped considering this in production in Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: stroggificated on Feb 21, 2015, 10:56:44 PM
Post by: stroggificated on Feb 21, 2015, 10:56:44 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 04:24:07 PM
Just saw these on Facebook:Spoiler
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First i almost thought Ripley 8 starts to transform, mutate or something when i saw the first pictures. i'm not sure which would be weirder.
Why would anyone build a space suit like that? What is the meaning of it? Is this creature the result of a failed biomechanical space suit experiment? Do they want to fool the alien like in zombie movies, where they rub "zombie lotion" into their clothes?
I hope they'd come up with more than a simple >Because we can<.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 21, 2015, 11:25:36 PM
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 21, 2015, 11:25:36 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 08:04:30 PMQuote from: Le Celticant on Feb 21, 2015, 07:31:39 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:41:51 PMQuote from: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:31:30 PM
That doesn't mean you can work on multiple project.
Post-production isn't a very engaging one for directors, skype and server exchange with one daily is more than enough.
At least that's the way I've always seen it in the industry.
For a very "hands off" director, maybe.
Oh yeah, I forgot that a very engaged director stay in front of the computer screen for an entire week looking at how much % the shot is rendered :P
And overseeing editing, visual effects, audio (music, sound effects, ADR), color correction, planning potential reshoots, etc.
That's the producer/major(distributor) work in hollywood you're speaking about not the director.
To see a director do that you must either have James Cameron's gold bawl or simply leave the USA.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 22, 2015, 12:55:34 AM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 22, 2015, 12:55:34 AM
Quote from: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 06:33:11 PMThe reaction from the crowd at the mention of a new Alien was great. Shows that the "general audience" hasn't forgotten about the franchise.
Louis C.K. wants to die in the movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFJGg_GKts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFJGg_GKts)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 22, 2015, 01:39:28 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 22, 2015, 01:39:28 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 21, 2015, 11:25:36 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 08:04:30 PMQuote from: Le Celticant on Feb 21, 2015, 07:31:39 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:41:51 PMQuote from: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:31:30 PM
That doesn't mean you can work on multiple project.
Post-production isn't a very engaging one for directors, skype and server exchange with one daily is more than enough.
At least that's the way I've always seen it in the industry.
For a very "hands off" director, maybe.
Oh yeah, I forgot that a very engaged director stay in front of the computer screen for an entire week looking at how much % the shot is rendered :P
And overseeing editing, visual effects, audio (music, sound effects, ADR), color correction, planning potential reshoots, etc.
That's the producer/major(distributor) work in hollywood you're speaking about not the director.
To see a director do that you must either have James Cameron's gold bawl or simply leave the USA.
Again, maybe for a hands off director, but that's not at all the usual case. Some directors are definitely more involved than others in post, but to not have any role at all is, in a way, to not even direct. It was a big mess of a situation when David Fincher stormed off the set of Alien 3 immediately after production because there was no director to guide the process (not that his guidance was exactly relevant during all of production either, with all of the interference from Fox).
Just listen to the commentary tracks or watch the bonus features for any film, especially one by a director who has a very distinct look/feel to all of his/her projects. One name that immediately comes to mind in terms of big Hollywood filmmakers is Guillermo del Toro. Ridley Scott and Prometheus is another situation that most people on this site should be aware of-- his "butts in seats" mentality is responsible for the choppy structure of a lot of the film, because he as a director made the conscious choice to put relentless pacing on a higher pedestal than a fully informed story. Or, to check out something incredibly relevant to this upcoming Alien film, check out the bonus features for District 9 where you see Blomkmp interacting directly with the audio technicians, the editors, etc.
To direct on the set is good and all, but it's only one area that's actually in need of directing. Post is where the film really comes alive, where all of the elements from set come together and take on their true identity. The producers will definitely come in after and make you change things in most situations, especially in a film with a very big budget/a lot of money on the line, but even then they need to have the director's work to tear into and try to alter.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 22, 2015, 03:48:37 AM
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 22, 2015, 03:48:37 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 04:24:07 PM
Just saw these on Facebook:
Those are pretty neat! If the recent comics are anything to go by, it seems like Fox is willing to green-light some interesting new directions for the franchise. It will be divisive, yes, but I would rather that than another stale retreat of a previous entry in the series.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Jaz on Feb 22, 2015, 04:32:00 AM
Post by: Jaz on Feb 22, 2015, 04:32:00 AM
This is great news!
Though i really hope they dont include any of the original casts. Been far too long now to set the film after any of the films. The actors are far too old looking to get away with it. If it was to be set after Aliens Resurection there would be no WY, earth would be a strange mess that no one could relate to as its so far into the future nothin is recognisable.
IMO Aliens Resurection should be disregarded entirely. It was a bit naff, lets be fair. Too far into the future, cloning and mistakes. Just no!
Id like to see a film about WY Corp going to LV 426 after the events of Alien 3. Ripleys long dead, the space jockey ship is bound to be intact. Id like to see WY actually get hold of a specimen and monumentaly f**k it up like they probably will.
Though i really hope they dont include any of the original casts. Been far too long now to set the film after any of the films. The actors are far too old looking to get away with it. If it was to be set after Aliens Resurection there would be no WY, earth would be a strange mess that no one could relate to as its so far into the future nothin is recognisable.
IMO Aliens Resurection should be disregarded entirely. It was a bit naff, lets be fair. Too far into the future, cloning and mistakes. Just no!
Id like to see a film about WY Corp going to LV 426 after the events of Alien 3. Ripleys long dead, the space jockey ship is bound to be intact. Id like to see WY actually get hold of a specimen and monumentaly f**k it up like they probably will.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 22, 2015, 05:52:58 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 22, 2015, 05:52:58 AM
Quote from: Jaz on Feb 22, 2015, 04:32:00 AM
Id like to see a film about WY Corp going to LV 426 after the events of Alien 3. Ripleys long dead, the space jockey ship is bound to be intact. Id like to see WY actually get hold of a specimen and monumentaly f**k it up like they probably will.
Problem there is finding a suitable protagonist. Either the company is like a real company, made up of mostly fairly decent human beings, or it becomes a cartoon villain where you've got brain dead security guards, and mad scientists.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 22, 2015, 03:07:06 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 22, 2015, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 22, 2015, 05:52:58 AM
Problem there is finding a suitable protagonist. Either the company is like a real company, made up of mostly fairly decent human beings, or it becomes a cartoon villain where you've got brain dead security guards, and mad scientists.
Like the guards and scientists aboard the Auriga?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 22, 2015, 03:34:57 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 22, 2015, 03:34:57 PM
Quote from: Jaz on Feb 22, 2015, 04:32:00 AM
Though i really hope they dont include any of the original casts. Been far too long now to set the film after any of the films. The actors are far too old looking to get away with it.
They're too old to potentially play older version of their characters? What's wrong with being old? I don't want Chris Pratt or his ilk (nothing against 'em) in this thing.
QuoteIMO Aliens Resurection should be disregarded entirely.
The only advocate of that film is, I think, Sigourney. The general audience, or most people I know who aren't fans like us, don't care about Alien 3 or 4 or whatever. A great deal of the hype around Blomkamp's pitch was Ripley and Hicks. I get the feeling Blomkamp had this whole story hashed out and wouldn't chase after it because he didn't think Fox would let him contradict 3 or 4 so wildly. I guess the internet changed their minds, as did the success of ventures like X-Men: DOFP.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mike on Feb 22, 2015, 04:21:30 PM
Post by: Mike on Feb 22, 2015, 04:21:30 PM
I would like to see The new film take place right after Aliens. Not to dismiss Alien 3 and AR but Ripley ended in A3 and was cloned in AR. Some people like those films myself included but Alien and Aliens had a good thing going for it so I say continue it after Aliens just like the concept art showed. Bring back Ripley and Hicks and create an awsome story line. Together teaming up against the Bugs ! and even bigger ones like Queens and Preatorians and such! As for the title have maybe Alien and a sub title. As for referencing the other 2 films A3 and AR I wouldn't just go right to it from Aliens. Not retconning them just not referring to them like what Predators did as it doesn't totally discount Predator 2 but is a straight up sequel to Predator 1. In the storyline get Weyland Yutani involved somehow as corporate enemy's also what the concept art pictured. Forget about Ripley in A3 and cloned in AR for storyline purposes. Just don't reference them, simple and continue straight from Aliens. That's what I think is most right and most cool to do for the story. :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 22, 2015, 05:48:59 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 22, 2015, 05:48:59 PM
I have been thinking about what I would like the past few days, I will give a brief (and probably hilariously ludacrious) rundown.
1. A3 and AR happened. Deal with it.
2. Morse's book and character have a brief few moments in the film.
3. Does not take place on earth.
4. Does take place outside of Earth's solar system.
5. Ripley is in the film, hopefully as a contributing character and not main.
6. Brief mentions of LV426 and Fiorina161 events are in.
7. Colonial Marines and Space Police (?) are terifficly slaughtered.
8. The xenomorphs are still in costumes, but there probably will be a lot of CGI anyways.
9. Ruins of the terrestrial ship are shown.
10. Space Jockey is shown at end (why I don't know....)
Seems kinda crazy, but those are my wishes for this upcoming film.
1. A3 and AR happened. Deal with it.
2. Morse's book and character have a brief few moments in the film.
3. Does not take place on earth.
4. Does take place outside of Earth's solar system.
5. Ripley is in the film, hopefully as a contributing character and not main.
6. Brief mentions of LV426 and Fiorina161 events are in.
7. Colonial Marines and Space Police (?) are terifficly slaughtered.
8. The xenomorphs are still in costumes, but there probably will be a lot of CGI anyways.
9. Ruins of the terrestrial ship are shown.
10. Space Jockey is shown at end (why I don't know....)
Seems kinda crazy, but those are my wishes for this upcoming film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 22, 2015, 06:12:42 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 22, 2015, 06:12:42 PM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 22, 2015, 05:48:59 PM
1. A3 and AR happened. Deal with it.
*puts on sunglasses* ...Damn!
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 22, 2015, 05:48:59 PM
8. The xenomorphs are still in costumes, but there probably will be a lot of CGI anyways.
Costumes eh? Like this?
:laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 22, 2015, 06:14:55 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 22, 2015, 06:14:55 PM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 22, 2015, 05:48:59 PM
9. Ruins of the terrestrial ship are shown.
Do you mean extraterrestrial (as in, the Derelict), or something terrestrial, like the ruins of the Auriga on Earth?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 22, 2015, 06:35:01 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 22, 2015, 06:35:01 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 22, 2015, 06:12:42 PMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wRHBLwpASw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wRHBLwpASw#ws) 8)Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 22, 2015, 05:48:59 PM
1. A3 and AR happened. Deal with it.
*puts on sunglasses* ...Damn!Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 22, 2015, 05:48:59 PM
8. The xenomorphs are still in costumes, but there probably will be a lot of CGI anyways.
Costumes eh? Like this?
http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u446/openmaw/bfa9e8e40cbf80e911d580ea876e1eec_zpso0su86ff.jpg
:laugh:
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 22, 2015, 06:14:55 PMHow about both? :)Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 22, 2015, 05:48:59 PM
9. Ruins of the terrestrial ship are shown.
Do you mean extraterrestrial (as in, the Derelict), or something terrestrial, like the ruins of the Auriga on Earth?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: x-M-x on Feb 22, 2015, 10:47:02 PM
Post by: x-M-x on Feb 22, 2015, 10:47:02 PM
is this confirmed as 'ALIEN 5' or just an ALIEN movie on it's own?
Has Neill exactly said it is ALIEN5 or what?
Has Neill exactly said it is ALIEN5 or what?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 22, 2015, 10:53:54 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 22, 2015, 10:53:54 PM
He hasn't said anything, one way or the other. Worth noting is that his Twitter account is following Michael Biehn's, despite Biehn not being active on there in years.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 23, 2015, 12:54:58 AM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 23, 2015, 12:54:58 AM
Quote from: x-M-x on Feb 22, 2015, 10:47:02 PMWe're assuming it's 5,because the official statement says it's a sequel to the Alien franchise. That's all we got at the moment. Aside from the leaked concept art.
is this confirmed as 'ALIEN 5' or just an ALIEN movie on it's own?
Has Neill exactly said it is ALIEN5 or what?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 23, 2015, 02:04:56 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 23, 2015, 02:04:56 AM
"Sequel to the Alien franchise" is probably to make it clear that it's rooted in ALIEN, not the new offshoot, PROMETHEUS. It might not necessarily be Alien 5. But I imagine they're all hashing it out right now somewhere. It's going to be an interesting year.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Jaz on Feb 23, 2015, 05:10:45 AM
Post by: Jaz on Feb 23, 2015, 05:10:45 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 22, 2015, 03:34:57 PM
They're too old to potentially play older version of their characters? What's wrong with being old? I don't want Chris Pratt or his ilk (nothing against 'em) in this thing.
How would it work though? She dies in Alien 3 as does hicks. Or if you consider Colonial marines cannon then hicks is alive, but still, how would they explain ripley being alive and well? Slightly more weathered lol.
Better yet how do they explain it without completely selling out and just re-writing the timeline.
Im being a massive hipocrit here as i hope they do that to Aliens Res.
It really is a big pile of shit.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 23, 2015, 05:23:36 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 23, 2015, 05:23:36 AM
Yeah, people who keep saying Biehn and Weaver are too old haven't been keeping up on their recent outings. Biehn may be up there in years but he's keeping pretty damn active and he's got the energy for it, and Weaver too is still very active and she looks great. They could both tackle it, and I think that would actually garner more weight to their performances.
Even without any particular context I can imagine the scene where their characters are reunited. Ripley, maybe in some kind of a semi delusional state, searching for Newt. She's moving through some kind of a lab, and she hears something rustle behind her. There's a moment of tense silence. Then you hear a familiar voice. "Ripley..." In that same tone as when Hicks asked for Ripley to help when they first found Newt. She turns and their gazes meet.
It could be very powerful from two points of view. The audience having loved those characters for decades, and thematically from within the story. You wouldn't even have to totally debunk A3 and A:R, as those experiences, even if they were reduced to cryogenic nightmares, would be playing Hell on Ripley's psyche.
Even without any particular context I can imagine the scene where their characters are reunited. Ripley, maybe in some kind of a semi delusional state, searching for Newt. She's moving through some kind of a lab, and she hears something rustle behind her. There's a moment of tense silence. Then you hear a familiar voice. "Ripley..." In that same tone as when Hicks asked for Ripley to help when they first found Newt. She turns and their gazes meet.
It could be very powerful from two points of view. The audience having loved those characters for decades, and thematically from within the story. You wouldn't even have to totally debunk A3 and A:R, as those experiences, even if they were reduced to cryogenic nightmares, would be playing Hell on Ripley's psyche.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 23, 2015, 07:19:01 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 23, 2015, 07:19:01 AM
Oh without a doubt both Biehn and Weaver can pull it off. I have no idea where the too old for this crowd is coming from. Make up and roids do wonders.
Still as it is said, we don't even know where this movie is too take place aside form being years after the events of Prometheus 2. How would people feel about a reboot/remake instead of an alien 5?
Quote from: OpenMawEven without any particular context I can imagine the scene where their characters are reunited. Ripley, maybe in some kind of a semi delusional state, searching for Newt. She's moving through some kind of a lab, and she hears something rustle behind her. There's a moment of tense silence. Then you hear a familiar voice. "Ripley..." In that same tone as when Hicks asked for Ripley to help when they first found Newt. She turns and their gazes meet.Wouldn't it be terrible if at the very end of the 5th movie Ripley wakes up as she's falling into the fire at the end of Alien³. :laugh:
Still as it is said, we don't even know where this movie is too take place aside form being years after the events of Prometheus 2. How would people feel about a reboot/remake instead of an alien 5?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2015, 09:03:47 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2015, 09:03:47 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 07:12:31 PM
Because Predators, like the AvP movies, couldn't go more than two minutes without paying homage to the older films. There was nothing original about it and it tried to present itself as a fresh product.
Complete over-exaggeration there.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:48:14 PM
The script is on one of the bonus discs for the Alien Anthology.
Where's that on the disk? I can't recall that at all.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 09:17:16 PM
I wouldn't really call him a "newbie" at this point. This is going to be his fourth film. Anyways, Scott and Fincher were both "newbies" when they made their Alien films.
That was the charm of the first three films. All were relative "newbies". Sure, Jim, had Terminator under his belt by that points but Blomkamp also has District 9 and Elysium under his belt by now.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 23, 2015, 10:55:27 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 23, 2015, 10:55:27 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 23, 2015, 07:19:01 AMOh without a doubt both Biehn and Weaver can pull it off. I have no idea where the too old for this crowd is coming from. Make up and roids do wonders.
I dislike it for the same reason I dislike people clamouring to get Arnie back in Predator - the idea of old people fighting these things is kind of silly. They'll tear you apart when you're young and fit and on the top of your game; to have sixty year olds squaring off against them is comparatively ridiculous.
Of course, it completely depends on how the characters are integrated into the story. But I get the feeling a lot of the pro-RipleyHicks people want to see them going toe-to-toe with the Xenos again.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 23, 2015, 11:33:17 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 23, 2015, 11:33:17 AM
Honestly at the moment I'm having a hard time believing that they can pull off the old Arnie gimmick in TG myself. However, Weaver and Biehn don't have to play an unstoppable machine. Movies always take artistic license in relation to just what a character can and can't do. Just because they are older doesn't mean they have to be portrayed as being old.
Man I really wish they would drop some hints as to what they're thinking of doing. Of course they themselves probably don't know either. :P
Man I really wish they would drop some hints as to what they're thinking of doing. Of course they themselves probably don't know either. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 23, 2015, 01:45:59 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 23, 2015, 01:45:59 PM
If Arnie's back in Predator, it won't be as a main character - he'll have to be the General, the guy dragged out of retirement to be the adviser ("Major Alan Shaeffer - he's one of only two men to have survived contact with the creature...." "What happened to the other guy?"... "He's too old for this shit." (man, this stuff just writes itself)).
All these movies are franchises - they'll want to intro younger cast members to carry the torch forward. If I were writing it, I'd have a ballsy scientist woman called "Ripley" in it - played by Summer Glau. Just to watch the internet burn.
AlienV is a little different - Xenos aren't intelligent, they're not hunting for sport and they don't go mano a mano, they're hive creatures, you mow them down with pulse rifles. I don't think the emphasis in the aliens films has ever been on a physical confrontation with the creatures where as Predator always ends up in a face off.
All these movies are franchises - they'll want to intro younger cast members to carry the torch forward. If I were writing it, I'd have a ballsy scientist woman called "Ripley" in it - played by Summer Glau. Just to watch the internet burn.
AlienV is a little different - Xenos aren't intelligent, they're not hunting for sport and they don't go mano a mano, they're hive creatures, you mow them down with pulse rifles. I don't think the emphasis in the aliens films has ever been on a physical confrontation with the creatures where as Predator always ends up in a face off.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 01:47:53 PM
Post by: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 01:47:53 PM
Heres how it should go to warrant a great successful Alien movie/sequel.
1) A direct sequel to ALIENS
2) Don't reference A3 and AR for storyline purposes
3) Don't reference Prometheus 1 and 2 as it wasn't widely received well by the general audience
4) By not referencing A3 and Ar doesn't mean your retconning them but for strictly storyline purposes only so everyone wins if they liked those films ( I'm one of them myself). Similar to how Predators was a direct sequel to Predator but it didn't reference Predator 2 for storyline purposes but it doesn't 100% ignore the film either according to the director himself Nimrod Antal.
5) Get Sig and Beihn back to kick some Alien ass in a awesome new storyline as exactly what the concept designs showed. Have them fight Queens and other types.
6) Somehow get Weyland-Yutani invalid as enemys that Ripley and Hicks also have to deal with in the middle of the aliens
7) Throw in few androids as well.
8) The film should pick up were Ripley Hicks Bishop are in the drop ship, Newt unless they will replace the actress because she probably won't come back and they end up leaving Newt on Earth and then flying back to a different colony that was also infected with hundredths of eggs and xenomorphs all increasing in this infestation. knowing the info at hand Ripley and and Hicks want to wipe them out together. As well as Weyland-Yutani already there as enemys scavenging the area as they know what happen to it. For whatever reason and something happens to the ship and Ripley and Hicks Bishop can't return to earth. For storyline purposes they have a lil more ammunition then in the end of Aliens but have to create a lot more in time to survive this threat from the xenos. This would be an AMAZING Alien movie. You just need a script along these lines. The Key here is strictly a direct sequel to ALIENS as ALIEN and ALIENS had a great thing going for it. In the end your not retconning anything even the ACM game for the sake of fans not liking it but simply just not referencing them for storyline purposes.
1) A direct sequel to ALIENS
2) Don't reference A3 and AR for storyline purposes
3) Don't reference Prometheus 1 and 2 as it wasn't widely received well by the general audience
4) By not referencing A3 and Ar doesn't mean your retconning them but for strictly storyline purposes only so everyone wins if they liked those films ( I'm one of them myself). Similar to how Predators was a direct sequel to Predator but it didn't reference Predator 2 for storyline purposes but it doesn't 100% ignore the film either according to the director himself Nimrod Antal.
5) Get Sig and Beihn back to kick some Alien ass in a awesome new storyline as exactly what the concept designs showed. Have them fight Queens and other types.
6) Somehow get Weyland-Yutani invalid as enemys that Ripley and Hicks also have to deal with in the middle of the aliens
7) Throw in few androids as well.
8) The film should pick up were Ripley Hicks Bishop are in the drop ship, Newt unless they will replace the actress because she probably won't come back and they end up leaving Newt on Earth and then flying back to a different colony that was also infected with hundredths of eggs and xenomorphs all increasing in this infestation. knowing the info at hand Ripley and and Hicks want to wipe them out together. As well as Weyland-Yutani already there as enemys scavenging the area as they know what happen to it. For whatever reason and something happens to the ship and Ripley and Hicks Bishop can't return to earth. For storyline purposes they have a lil more ammunition then in the end of Aliens but have to create a lot more in time to survive this threat from the xenos. This would be an AMAZING Alien movie. You just need a script along these lines. The Key here is strictly a direct sequel to ALIENS as ALIEN and ALIENS had a great thing going for it. In the end your not retconning anything even the ACM game for the sake of fans not liking it but simply just not referencing them for storyline purposes.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 02:00:49 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 02:00:49 PM
But having Ripley, Hicks, and cNewt running around, even if Alien 3 isn't mentioned, retcons the film out of existence just by having them alive.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 03:09:51 PM
Post by: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 03:09:51 PM
Well you have a point but ok even if it does retcon A3 & AR and if it turns out to be great, it would probably be better than both those films combined. But as it is now Alien 5 is suppose to be a sequel including Prometheus. But I don't think those should combine in story. I like Prometheus 1 and 2 more of a spin-off than being canon. Even though Prometheus 1 is a prequel to Alien. But the way Neill Blomkamp showed the concept art of Ripley and Hicks scarred face ready to do battle seems like he is going to work off of Aliens.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BonesawT101 on Feb 23, 2015, 03:14:09 PM
Post by: BonesawT101 on Feb 23, 2015, 03:14:09 PM
If retconning wasn't an option then the only way possible to make an alien movie with ripley, Hicks etc would be to set it between aliens and alien 3 I suppose(which may in turn explain why their is an egg on the sulaco). Obviously Weaver looks older now than what she did in alien 3 but does that really matter? not to me. Although I would like to add that if they retcon 3 and 4 I don't mind at all, I would almost encourage it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 23, 2015, 03:40:37 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 23, 2015, 03:40:37 PM
I hope Blomkamp gets Syd Mead to do the vehicle/spaceship designs. He previously hired Mead to work on Elysium so they already know each other.
If Hicks and Ripley do return could we also see the return of Bishop (even as a different model)?
If Hicks and Ripley do return could we also see the return of Bishop (even as a different model)?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 03:48:36 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 03:48:36 PM
Oooh, never even thought of Mead. Yes, please!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 03:57:30 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 03:57:30 PM
Ok, there is something that is very concerning in this article:
http://www.scified.com/site/alien5/neill-blomkamps-alien-5-to-take-place-after-prometheus-2-and-also-be-produced-by-ridley-scott (http://www.scified.com/site/alien5/neill-blomkamps-alien-5-to-take-place-after-prometheus-2-and-also-be-produced-by-ridley-scott)
Specifically the below quote:
Originally, based off of Neill's concept artwork, the setting for his Alien 5 supposedly takes place between the events of James Cameron's Aliens and David Fincher's Alien 3.
I certainly hope this is just conjecture. I can't imagine anything dumber than trying to fit old Hicks and old Ripley in between Aliens and Alien 3. Talk about squeezing out a story where none belongs. It reeks of Alien: Out of the Shadows. Ultimately it would mean that anything good that possibly happens to Hicks and Ripley in Alien V will ultimately just be rendered moot in Alien 3. So why bother? Why cheer for characters that will just die?
I say they should either do away with Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection or make them into Ripley's bad dreams. The theme of dreams and monitoring of dreams (Prometheus) is already prevalent in the Aliens mythos...
http://www.scified.com/site/alien5/neill-blomkamps-alien-5-to-take-place-after-prometheus-2-and-also-be-produced-by-ridley-scott (http://www.scified.com/site/alien5/neill-blomkamps-alien-5-to-take-place-after-prometheus-2-and-also-be-produced-by-ridley-scott)
Specifically the below quote:
Originally, based off of Neill's concept artwork, the setting for his Alien 5 supposedly takes place between the events of James Cameron's Aliens and David Fincher's Alien 3.
I certainly hope this is just conjecture. I can't imagine anything dumber than trying to fit old Hicks and old Ripley in between Aliens and Alien 3. Talk about squeezing out a story where none belongs. It reeks of Alien: Out of the Shadows. Ultimately it would mean that anything good that possibly happens to Hicks and Ripley in Alien V will ultimately just be rendered moot in Alien 3. So why bother? Why cheer for characters that will just die?
I say they should either do away with Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection or make them into Ripley's bad dreams. The theme of dreams and monitoring of dreams (Prometheus) is already prevalent in the Aliens mythos...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 03:59:22 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 03:59:22 PM
Yeah, that's conjecture. Their source (Variety) says nothing at all about Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BonesawT101 on Feb 23, 2015, 04:11:40 PM
Post by: BonesawT101 on Feb 23, 2015, 04:11:40 PM
wow, looks like I was close with my pitch.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 04:11:50 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 04:11:50 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 03:59:22 PM
Yeah, that's conjecture. Their source (Variety) says nothing at all about Alien 3.
Thank the Engineers! Hope you're right...
I think fans pro and against a retcon would not want an insert in between Aliens and Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 23, 2015, 04:13:33 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 23, 2015, 04:13:33 PM
Quote from: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 01:47:53 PM
Heres how it should go to warrant a great successful Alien movie/sequel.
1) A direct sequel to ALIENS
2) Don't reference A3 and AR for storyline purposes
3) Don't reference Prometheus 1 and 2 as it wasn't widely received well by the general audience
4) By not referencing A3 and Ar doesn't mean your retconning them but for strictly storyline purposes only so everyone wins if they liked those films ( I'm one of them myself). Similar to how Predators was a direct sequel to Predator but it didn't reference Predator 2 for storyline purposes but it doesn't 100% ignore the film either according to the director himself Nimrod Antal.
5) Get Sig and Beihn back to kick some Alien ass in a awesome new storyline as exactly what the concept designs showed. Have them fight Queens and other types.
6) Somehow get Weyland-Yutani invalid as enemys that Ripley and Hicks also have to deal with in the middle of the aliens
7) Throw in few androids as well.
8) The film should pick up were Ripley Hicks Bishop are in the drop ship, Newt unless they will replace the actress because she probably won't come back and they end up leaving Newt on Earth and then flying back to a different colony that was also infected with hundredths of eggs and xenomorphs all increasing in this infestation. knowing the info at hand Ripley and and Hicks want to wipe them out together. As well as Weyland-Yutani already there as enemys scavenging the area as they know what happen to it. For whatever reason and something happens to the ship and Ripley and Hicks Bishop can't return to earth. For storyline purposes they have a lil more ammunition then in the end of Aliens but have to create a lot more in time to survive this threat from the xenos. This would be an AMAZING Alien movie. You just need a script along these lines. The Key here is strictly a direct sequel to ALIENS as ALIEN and ALIENS had a great thing going for it. In the end your not retconning anything even the ACM game for the sake of fans not liking it but simply just not referencing them for storyline purposes.
^ I like this. They could even say that Ripley/Hicks tried to live normal lives for a decade or so after ALIENS, and then have to go back to fighting Xenos after finding out that WY have started to bio-engineer them. That could explain their older age. Plus, it would be a great chance to flush out WY and show them more in depth. Imagine WY has found the destroyed Derelict and pieced it back together and found Xeno-DNA.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 04:15:45 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 04:15:45 PM
Bingo! Xeno-DNA!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 04:16:08 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 04:16:08 PM
Adam 802, that would be the perfect storyline. You could even throw in an older whack-job Newt at some point along the lines of the first Aliens comic book series by Mark Verheiden...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 23, 2015, 05:00:46 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 23, 2015, 05:00:46 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 23, 2015, 07:19:01 AM:laugh: :'( :laugh:Quote from: OpenMawEven without any particular context I can imagine the scene where their characters are reunited. Ripley, maybe in some kind of a semi delusional state, searching for Newt. She's moving through some kind of a lab, and she hears something rustle behind her. There's a moment of tense silence. Then you hear a familiar voice. "Ripley..." In that same tone as when Hicks asked for Ripley to help when they first found Newt. She turns and their gazes meet.Wouldn't it be terrible if at the very end of the 5th movie Ripley wakes up as she's falling into the fire at the end of Alien³. :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 23, 2015, 07:56:28 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 23, 2015, 07:56:28 PM
Quote from: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 01:47:53 PM
Heres how it should go to warrant a great successful Alien movie/sequel.
1) A direct sequel to ALIENS
2) Don't reference A3 and AR for storyline purposes
3) Don't reference Prometheus 1 and 2 as it wasn't widely received well by the general audience
4) By not referencing A3 and Ar doesn't mean your retconning them but for strictly storyline purposes only so everyone wins if they liked those films ( I'm one of them myself). Similar to how Predators was a direct sequel to Predator but it didn't reference Predator 2 for storyline purposes but it doesn't 100% ignore the film either according to the director himself Nimrod Antal.
5) Get Sig and Beihn back to kick some Alien ass in a awesome new storyline as exactly what the concept designs showed. Have them fight Queens and other types.
6) Somehow get Weyland-Yutani invalid as enemys that Ripley and Hicks also have to deal with in the middle of the aliens
7) Throw in few androids as well.
8) The film should pick up were Ripley Hicks Bishop are in the drop ship, Newt unless they will replace the actress because she probably won't come back and they end up leaving Newt on Earth and then flying back to a different colony that was also infected with hundredths of eggs and xenomorphs all increasing in this infestation. knowing the info at hand Ripley and and Hicks want to wipe them out together. As well as Weyland-Yutani already there as enemys scavenging the area as they know what happen to it. For whatever reason and something happens to the ship and Ripley and Hicks Bishop can't return to earth. For storyline purposes they have a lil more ammunition then in the end of Aliens but have to create a lot more in time to survive this threat from the xenos. This would be an AMAZING Alien movie. You just need a script along these lines. The Key here is strictly a direct sequel to ALIENS as ALIEN and ALIENS had a great thing going for it. In the end your not retconning anything even the ACM game for the sake of fans not liking it but simply just not referencing them for storyline purposes.
Thanks god you are not a movie writer...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 23, 2015, 08:00:13 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 23, 2015, 08:00:13 PM
People, keep in mind that everything concretely official we have so far is:
-Blomkamp's concept art;
-Blomkamp's confirmation;
-The short press release.
Everything else is just conjecture.
-Blomkamp's concept art;
-Blomkamp's confirmation;
-The short press release.
Everything else is just conjecture.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 08:06:19 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 08:06:19 PM
Arrrrgh!! We need more information!! Why has Michael Biehn gone silent?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 08:12:30 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 08:12:30 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 08:06:19 PM
Arrrrgh!! We need more information!! Why has Michael Biehn gone silent?
Shame over Scorpion King 4, maybe?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 08:49:54 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 08:49:54 PM
Or planning Scorpion King 5!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 08:55:25 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 08:55:25 PM
Y u no make real sequel rock :'(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 09:14:03 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 09:14:03 PM
If they spin the Scorpion King off of the Mummy reboot maybe he'll come back. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 09:20:52 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 09:20:52 PM
There's now more Scorpion King movies than Mummy movies from that franchise... Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 09:25:07 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 09:25:07 PM
And I've never seen any of them, not even the Mummy films. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 09:26:34 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 09:26:34 PM
Blomkamp to make new Mummy movie retconning the third one pls.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 09:28:29 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 09:28:29 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 09:26:34 PM
Blomkamp to make new Mummy movie retconning the third one pls.
Why, did the 3rd film derail the main story in the franchise and have a generally bad reception?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 09:44:22 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 09:44:22 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 09:28:29 PMQuote from: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 09:26:34 PM
Blomkamp to make new Mummy movie retconning the third one pls.
Why, did the 3rd film derail the main story in the franchise and have a generally bad reception?
Yep, more or less. The characters were all screwed up, and there was a very poor recast. And Jet Li was wasted, turning into an awful CG Ghidorah, among other things.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 09:49:38 PM
Post by: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 09:49:38 PM
Hopefully Blomkamp knows the right direction to go in. I would definitely lead off from Aliens. In the end in order for the script to work it's going to have to retcon A3 and AR. Who cares, as long as it's a great film. I just want to see another Alien film with Cameron's atmosphere style and Ridleys scarieness feel to it. Hopefully Blomkamp can pull it off. This is so cool to see another Alien film
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 09:53:45 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 09:53:45 PM
Quote from: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 09:49:38 PM
Hopefully Blomkamp knows the right direction to go in. I would definitely lead off from Aliens. In the end in order for the script to work it's going to have to retcon A3 and AR. Who cares, as long as it's a great film. I just want to see another Alien film with Cameron's atmosphere style and Ridleys scarieness feel to it. Hopefully Blomkamp can pull it off. This is so cool to see another Alien film
Couldn't agree more. But is so easy to screw it up. Blomkamp is not Cameron...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 10:29:41 PM
Post by: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 10:29:41 PM
I was just watching Alien last night, wow! What an intense and scary film. The kill scenes to Ripley being alone and trying to override Mothers Cooling unit back on. Then running in that intense scene saying You! Bitch! And the whole sound alarms going off. Just an awsome classic. This Alien movie could rival Aliens all the away. Both Amazing films in there own right. But Alien is just too cool. I am happy to own the Anthology Bluray set.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 24, 2015, 02:10:20 AM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 24, 2015, 02:10:20 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 04:15:45 PMDude I swear you read my mind half the time lol
Bingo! Xeno-DNA!
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 09:25:07 PMFor shame. I'm quite fond of the first two. Saw them at the movies when they were released. Third one too...but the disappointment.
And I've never seen any of them, not even the Mummy films. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 24, 2015, 03:15:25 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 24, 2015, 03:15:25 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 09:25:07 PM
And I've never seen any of them, not even the Mummy films. :P
Oh, dude. You gotta watch The Mummy. It is so much fun.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 24, 2015, 04:24:36 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 24, 2015, 04:24:36 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 09:53:45 PMQuote from: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 09:49:38 PM
Hopefully Blomkamp knows the right direction to go in. I would definitely lead off from Aliens. In the end in order for the script to work it's going to have to retcon A3 and AR. Who cares, as long as it's a great film. I just want to see another Alien film with Cameron's atmosphere style and Ridleys scarieness feel to it. Hopefully Blomkamp can pull it off. This is so cool to see another Alien film
Couldn't agree more. But is so easy to screw it up. Blomkamp is not Cameron...
That is one blessing for sure.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 04:46:28 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 04:46:28 AM
So just wondering, do we really need a Sharlto Copley and Michael Biehn thread, or can those get merged with the casting thread?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 24, 2015, 04:48:59 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 24, 2015, 04:48:59 AM
Fokin' Copley could fill a thread of his own.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 04:54:45 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 04:54:45 AM
Fookin xenos!
Hicks always wanded a wof.
Hicks always wanded a wof.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 24, 2015, 04:59:32 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 24, 2015, 04:59:32 AM
Jess cud neva settil dun. Ripley makes him wanna settil dun.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 05:08:38 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 05:08:38 AM
Even if you weren't completely sold on Elysium, I'm glad your loving Kruger. :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 24, 2015, 05:10:37 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 24, 2015, 05:10:37 AM
Needed to use the sword more.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 05:16:39 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 05:16:39 AM
Gotta get that GTA-esque spinoff movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 24, 2015, 05:31:55 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 24, 2015, 05:31:55 AM
He'd basically be Trevor from GTA V. :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 08:29:32 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 08:29:32 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 03:57:30 PM
"Originally, based off of Neill's concept artwork, the setting for his Alien 5 supposedly takes place between the events of James Cameron's Aliens and David Fincher's Alien 3. "
I certainly hope this is just conjecture.
I wouldn't worry. It's just conjecture.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 08:37:38 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 08:37:38 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 24, 2015, 04:48:59 AMFokin' Copley could fill a thread of his own.
The sweetie man is here!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 24, 2015, 09:31:23 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 24, 2015, 09:31:23 AM
Dare I say it, that would work.
It could explain the infamous egg and the cryotubes.
The only problem would be the wounds on Hicks.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 09:32:58 AM
Post by: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 09:32:58 AM
"And then they forgot it!"
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 24, 2015, 09:35:37 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 24, 2015, 09:35:37 AM
SiL you talking about the egg?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 09:36:56 AM
Post by: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 09:36:56 AM
Any story set between the two films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 24, 2015, 09:38:13 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 24, 2015, 09:38:13 AM
Depends.
In Alien 3 she only vaguely talks about her past experiences.
In Alien 3 she only vaguely talks about her past experiences.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 09:39:31 AM
Post by: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 09:39:31 AM
She refers to the last two times towards the end. "First it was crew expendable..."
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 09:40:49 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 09:40:49 AM
What about the fact the actors are suddenly almost thirty years older, then magically regress in age again? Weaver still looks good for her age, but Beihn? Not so much...
Or are you suggesting we recast them? No thanks.
Yeah, I don't buy it either.
Or are you suggesting we recast them? No thanks.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 09:32:58 AM"And then they forgot it!"
Yeah, I don't buy it either.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 09:44:12 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 09:44:12 AM
As much as I enjoyed Out of the Shadows, I think that particular reset button damaged that book enough. I don't want to see that trope in the film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 24, 2015, 09:55:17 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 24, 2015, 09:55:17 AM
Yeah I've just woken up properly, I'm out of bed and now I've had my tea. That concept doesn't work at all.
To myself...
"WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!"
To myself...
"WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!"
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 24, 2015, 10:04:00 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 24, 2015, 10:04:00 AM
How about we just retcon the ending of alien³?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 10:18:36 AM
Post by: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 10:18:36 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 24, 2015, 10:04:00 AM
How about we just retcon the ending of alien³?
I just thought, reading another thread, you could do that. You could say that Alien3 was Morse's re-telling of it. That gives you a "Ripley Lives" way out. Doesn't get past battle scarred Hicks, though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 24, 2015, 10:36:54 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 24, 2015, 10:36:54 AM
Nah hicks and newt are dead. However there is another route that would be a hybrid of the retcon dream route and give Ripley a chance to say I told you guys so without removing Alien³ or A|R. Just retcon the very ending of Alien³ by making that a dream sequence. The way I see it, lets say she got darted and fell instantly asleep on the platform? This could be made to make sense since not much of the events that happen make sense. Bishops real life dad shows up and has red blood? That would only happen in a dream. Aaron growing some balls when all he wants to do all movie is go home? Highly unlikely. That fake ass dream like fire she falls into? In the theatrical cut the alien pops out but she is in no pain? Dreamy. This would also not run afoul of A|R. I say they tranquilized her ass, took it out of her (thus blood sample for A|R) some how cured her but it took 20 years to do. This explains her age and naturally the company screws it up big time and she has to now solve their problem which leads them to being bought out by f**king walmart. Morse? He's f**king insane, maybe so much so he shared the same dream she had.
Not trying to piss off the Alien³ fans but something has to give. Putting the movie in between Aliens and Alien³ couldn't possibly make any damn sense.
Not trying to piss off the Alien³ fans but something has to give. Putting the movie in between Aliens and Alien³ couldn't possibly make any damn sense.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 10:54:20 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 10:54:20 AM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 10:18:36 AMI just thought, reading another thread, you could do that. You could say that Alien3 was Morse's re-telling of it. That gives you a "Ripley Lives" way out. Doesn't get past battle scarred Hicks, though.
Except there's no logical reason or motivation for Morse to lie about her being dead.
If you're gonna scrap the third film, just outright scrap it. Any workarounds are just going to be silly and/or contrived.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 24, 2015, 11:31:45 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 24, 2015, 11:31:45 AM
They should make an A|R sequel but that doesn't seem to be what they want to do. A full retcon is a terrible idea. I say they need to do just enough to make the movie fit in... yea sure, that's what they did with the egg on the sulaco... and look where it got us. I know. :P
Just as long as there is no time travel everything will work out.
Just as long as there is no time travel everything will work out.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 11:35:13 AM
Post by: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 11:35:13 AM
There's no logical reason for the facehugger in Alien3 either - that's silly and contrived making the entire reason that the characters died silly and contrived?
It seems illogical to me that you are willing to accept a magic facehugger, but not accept the hypersleep tropes that are set up and (if you accept that Prometheus takes place in the 'verse / is a sidequel) and use those? I think that is far more acceptable and raises far fewer questions (story-wise) than just asking people to pretend the other movies didn't happen. Star Trek did a good job of that, using Trek logic against the outraged Trekkies (the alternate timeline was logical in that universe - and I thought it was a stroke of genius - because it uses a medium already set up in the previously established shows).
You don't like the hypersleep dreaming is one thing, but you can't handwave it out of the park because you don't like it. I believe that the general movie going public would be far more accepting of that version (they accepted the magic facehugger, after all).
It seems illogical to me that you are willing to accept a magic facehugger, but not accept the hypersleep tropes that are set up and (if you accept that Prometheus takes place in the 'verse / is a sidequel) and use those? I think that is far more acceptable and raises far fewer questions (story-wise) than just asking people to pretend the other movies didn't happen. Star Trek did a good job of that, using Trek logic against the outraged Trekkies (the alternate timeline was logical in that universe - and I thought it was a stroke of genius - because it uses a medium already set up in the previously established shows).
You don't like the hypersleep dreaming is one thing, but you can't handwave it out of the park because you don't like it. I believe that the general movie going public would be far more accepting of that version (they accepted the magic facehugger, after all).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 11:49:47 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 11:49:47 AM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 11:35:13 AM
There's no logical reason for the facehugger in Alien3 either - that's silly and contrived making the entire reason that the characters died silly and contrived?
There's an entirely logical reason for the face-hugger aboard the ship. The Queen was present. The Queen makes eggs. Eggs contains face-huggers. The problem lies in how they showed the egg/face-hugger.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 11:51:45 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 11:51:45 AM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 11:35:13 AMYou don't like the hypersleep dreaming is one thing, but you can't handwave it out of the park because you don't like it.
How many times do Hicks and I have to say it? It's not that we don't like it. It's that it's an incredibly cheap story device. Like I said before, I was taught in primary school never to use it, because it's cheap and unintelligent.
And as for the magic egg, I'd argue undoing one cheap plot point with another is even less intelligent.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 24, 2015, 12:03:53 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 24, 2015, 12:03:53 PM
They don't need it to handwave it as a dream; if they do ignore it, they simply will.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 24, 2015, 12:06:14 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 24, 2015, 12:06:14 PM
I hate that superfacehugger. They should have just stuck to two regular ones.
Bishop did it!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 11:49:47 AM*looks around to see if the exit doors are clear*Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 11:35:13 AM
There's no logical reason for the facehugger in Alien3 either - that's silly and contrived making the entire reason that the characters died silly and contrived?
There's an entirely logical reason for the face-hugger aboard the ship. The Queen was present. The Queen makes eggs. Eggs contains face-huggers. The problem lies in how they showed the egg/face-hugger.
Bishop did it!
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 24, 2015, 12:03:53 PMYou really think alien³ and AR deserve the superman 3 and 4 treatment? That seems like it would leave a bad taste in a lot of mouths.
They don't need it to handwave it as a dream; if they do ignore it, they simply will.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 12:10:56 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 12:10:56 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 11:49:47 AMQuote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 11:35:13 AM
There's no logical reason for the facehugger in Alien3 either - that's silly and contrived making the entire reason that the characters died silly and contrived?
There's an entirely logical reason for the face-hugger aboard the ship. The Queen was present. The Queen makes eggs. Eggs contains face-huggers. The problem lies in how they showed the egg/face-hugger.
Which makes it conjecture, surely. There was nothing even hinted at that this had happened - everyone remembers the egg chamber being destroyed and the egg sac getting ripped off. No one remembers the queen quickly laying an egg and popping it in the corner whilst Ripley was gearing up in her powerloader (and even if the Queen did do that, why wasn't the egg sucked out of the airlock?). Not for me, Hicks, sorry man.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 11:51:45 AMQuote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 11:35:13 AMYou don't like the hypersleep dreaming is one thing, but you can't handwave it out of the park because you don't like it.
How many times do Hicks and I have to say it? It's not that we don't like it. It's that it's an incredibly cheap story device. Like I said before, I was taught in primary school never to use it, because it's cheap and unintelligent.
And as for the magic egg, I'd argue undoing one cheap plot point with another is even less intelligent.
And how many times do I have to say that if you using the tropes set up in your universe that are perfectly logical - within that universe - is a better solution that just coming out with a marketing campaign that says "forget the last two, they were shit."
They may well do the latter, but the former works - we've seen it, we know it happens. They even say at the end of Aliens that they both can dream - the fact that Ripley's entire motivation for going to LV-426 is that she has really bad nightmares. Unless she wasn't having a nightmare before she called Burke, she was clutching her chest because she had a bad case of heartburn. Essentially, we can explain it all away as Ripley's Indigestion.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
Post by: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
If only we could handwave all the people who think "It was all a dream!" is anything other than the laziest get-out-of-jail free card out of here too...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:16 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:16 PM
Yup. It'd be ridiculous, and incredibly convoluted, if they went that route.
If you're going to retcon, retcon. Do it with a little dignity though. Don't try to please everybody and then slap them in the face by saying it was all a dream.
If you're going to retcon, retcon. Do it with a little dignity though. Don't try to please everybody and then slap them in the face by saying it was all a dream.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 12:10:56 PM
Which makes it conjecture, surely. There was nothing even hinted at that this had happened - everyone remembers the egg chamber being destroyed and the egg sac getting ripped off. No one remembers the queen quickly laying an egg and popping it in the corner whilst Ripley was gearing up in her powerloader (and even if the Queen did do that, why wasn't the egg sucked out of the airlock?). Not for me, Hicks, sorry man.
Which is why I say it's the placement that's the issue. If they'd have made it clear that it was in the dropship somewhere instead...or not stuck upside down. Or that a face-hugger had hitched a ride on the Queen from the Hive and omitted the egg completely. The sound of the face-hugger crawling is even in the credits of Aliens.
It's really not that much of a stretch. And it'd be nice if that sequence was reworked in any future Assembly Cuts.
QuoteAnd how many times do I have to say that if you using the tropes set up in your universe that are perfectly logical - within that universe - is a better solution that just coming out with a marketing campaign that says "forget the last two, they were shit."
They may well do the latter, but the former works - we've seen it, we know it happens. They even say at the end of Aliens that they both can dream - the fact that Ripley's entire motivation for going to LV-426 is that she has really bad nightmares. Unless she wasn't having a nightmare before she called Burke, she was clutching her chest because she had a bad case of heartburn. Essentially, we can explain it all away as Ripley's Indigestion.
As I keep saying, it's conceivable. Entirely. As far back at Alien the notion of recording dreams or viewing dreams has been mentioned. It's just cheap. It's poor story writing. It is the worse trope of writing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 01:22:57 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 01:22:57 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
If only we could handwave all the people who think "It was all a dream!" is anything other than the laziest get-out-of-jail free card out of here too...
But not as lazy as ad hominem side-swipes. ::)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:16 PM
Yup. It'd be ridiculous, and incredibly convoluted, if they went that route.
If you're going to retcon, retcon. Do it with a little dignity though. Don't try to please everybody and then slap them in the face by saying it was all a dream.
I'm all for that. How? I'd be all for a really elegant solution that isn't Ripley's Indigestion - but I really can't think of one. I really liked that "The Evil Pred" idea that did have Ripley's Indigestion, only it was induced by Wey-Yu, running different scenarios - it was more thought out than that, but that's the gist of it.
Is it any less of a slap in the face to say "nah, don't worry, didn't happen." I genuinely think that that would confuse the vast majority (I don't have analytics to back that up of course, so conjecture), but for me, if (the huge IF) this is a retcon, they have to explain it somehow.
I can't think of a better way and in reading threads and threads and threads and threads, no one else on here can either. Or if they have, I've missed it - but I'm all ears (or more accurately - eyes), I would love there to be a consistent, logical and smarter way of explaining it.
I can see them doing a 'Returns... but for me that doesn't fit with this universe at all. But that's only my opinion ... maybe they will!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
Which is why I say it's the placement that's the issue. If they'd have made it clear that it was in the dropship somewhere instead...or not stuck upside down. Or that a face-hugger had hitched a ride on the Queen from the Hive and omitted the egg completely. The sound of the face-hugger crawling is even in the credits of Aliens.
It's really not that much of a stretch. And it'd be nice if that sequence was reworked in any future Assembly Cuts.
No it's not a stretch at all, and I wish they had done that with the last Assembly Cut to be honest. It would have been really easy for them to do so. But they didn't - so all we have to go on is what we assume to be the case (which is entirely reasonable), but if we're going on "facts" such as they are, it doesn't stand up. Which was sort of my point to HuDa - if the Indigestion scenario is bad, it's no worse than the magic faceugger in a film that some are defending and want to keep as canon over and above a retcon.
I often read "for all its faults" about Alien3 - for me, this was the biggest one of all, the whole film hinges on something the audience has to assume has happened. Well, that and the other stuff I've been ranting on about, but all that hinges on the facehugger. No facehugger, no accident. No Alien3 for that matter! (Thinking about it, they REALLY should have done something with an Aliens cut to explain it!).
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
As I keep saying, it's conceivable. Entirely. As far back at Alien the notion of recording dreams or viewing dreams has been mentioned. It's just cheap. It's poor story writing. It is the worse trope of writing.
It may well be, but we agree it's conceivable and it fits. It's by far the neatest solution (if, if, if etc). A few cuts, some digital youthening (what should that word be? Making them look younger...?) in the cryo tube... bang. Its done.
I've said all along - its not ideal, but its logical and I feel better than adopting the 'Returns approach.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 01:33:20 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 01:33:20 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 01:22:57 PMIt's by far the neatest solution (if, if, if etc).
No it isn't. Just ignoring them altogether is neatest.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2015, 02:05:40 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2015, 02:05:40 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 01:22:57 PMQuote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
If only we could handwave all the people who think "It was all a dream!" is anything other than the laziest get-out-of-jail free card out of here too...
But not as lazy as ad hominem side-swipes. ::)Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:16 PM
Yup. It'd be ridiculous, and incredibly convoluted, if they went that route.
If you're going to retcon, retcon. Do it with a little dignity though. Don't try to please everybody and then slap them in the face by saying it was all a dream.
I'm all for that. How? I'd be all for a really elegant solution that isn't Ripley's Indigestion - but I really can't think of one. I really liked that "The Evil Pred" idea that did have Ripley's Indigestion, only it was induced by Wey-Yu, running different scenarios - it was more thought out than that, but that's the gist of it.
Is it any less of a slap in the face to say "nah, don't worry, didn't happen." I genuinely think that that would confuse the vast majority (I don't have analytics to back that up of course, so conjecture), but for me, if (the huge IF) this is a retcon, they have to explain it somehow.
I can't think of a better way and in reading threads and threads and threads and threads, no one else on here can either. Or if they have, I've missed it - but I'm all ears (or more accurately - eyes), I would love there to be a consistent, logical and smarter way of explaining it.
I can see them doing a 'Returns... but for me that doesn't fit with this universe at all. But that's only my opinion ... maybe they will!Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
Which is why I say it's the placement that's the issue. If they'd have made it clear that it was in the dropship somewhere instead...or not stuck upside down. Or that a face-hugger had hitched a ride on the Queen from the Hive and omitted the egg completely. The sound of the face-hugger crawling is even in the credits of Aliens.
It's really not that much of a stretch. And it'd be nice if that sequence was reworked in any future Assembly Cuts.
No it's not a stretch at all, and I wish they had done that with the last Assembly Cut to be honest. It would have been really easy for them to do so. But they didn't - so all we have to go on is what we assume to be the case (which is entirely reasonable), but if we're going on "facts" such as they are, it doesn't stand up. Which was sort of my point to HuDa - if the Indigestion scenario is bad, it's no worse than the magic faceugger in a film that some are defending and want to keep as canon over and above a retcon.
I often read "for all its faults" about Alien3 - for me, this was the biggest one of all, the whole film hinges on something the audience has to assume has happened. Well, that and the other stuff I've been ranting on about, but all that hinges on the facehugger. No facehugger, no accident. No Alien3 for that matter! (Thinking about it, they REALLY should have done something with an Aliens cut to explain it!).Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
As I keep saying, it's conceivable. Entirely. As far back at Alien the notion of recording dreams or viewing dreams has been mentioned. It's just cheap. It's poor story writing. It is the worse trope of writing.
It may well be, but we agree it's conceivable and it fits. It's by far the neatest solution (if, if, if etc). A few cuts, some digital youthening (what should that word be? Making them look younger...?) in the cryo tube... bang. Its done.
I've said all along - its not ideal, but its logical and I feel better than adopting the 'Returns approach.
As well as the magic facehugger, we also had to buy the theory that the previously sensible/intelligent Ripley (with the self-preservation skills she's honed over the two films) wouldn't check for eggs/facehuggers/Xeno's considering she's just come face to face with a f***ing stowaway Queen! Kind of makes it hard to invest in a film when you have the main character having to act so completely out of character just to justify it's existence...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 02:09:20 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 02:09:20 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2015, 02:05:40 PMAs well as the magic facehugger, we also had to buy the theory that the previously sensible/intelligent Ripley (with the self-preservation skills she's honed over the two films) wouldn't check for eggs/facehuggers/Xeno's considering she's just come face to face with a f***ing stowaway Queen!
The Sulaco's a damn big ship and she's not exactly familiar with it.
But of course, that then raises the problem of how the egg could possibly get to somewhere Ripley couldn't easily check. I imagine she would have searched the dropship, so it couldn't realistically be there.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 02:15:39 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 02:15:39 PM
Just get rid of the egg, insert a shot of the hugger crawling up the Queen. Insert a shot of hugger crawling away, Rippers and Queen fighting in the background.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2015, 02:41:51 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2015, 02:41:51 PM
I'm sticking to my theory that the Queen literally has an emergency facehugger attached to her body that detaches itself whenever the Queen is in mortal danger.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 24, 2015, 02:56:20 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 24, 2015, 02:56:20 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2015, 02:41:51 PM
I'm sticking to mytheoryfiction that the Queen literally has an emergency facehugger attached to her body that detaches itself whenever the Queen is in mortal danger.
Fixed that for you.
It's a shame that fans have been driven to flat out invent things to make sense of the film, but we're not left with much choice are we?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2015, 02:57:26 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2015, 02:57:26 PM
Considering the film is a mess, we don't have a choice.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Lamal on Feb 24, 2015, 03:57:13 PM
Post by: Lamal on Feb 24, 2015, 03:57:13 PM
Let it take place after Ressurection. Closure to the film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Master on Feb 24, 2015, 03:57:55 PM
Post by: Master on Feb 24, 2015, 03:57:55 PM
I`m sticking with emergency egg. Queen is one big mamma, it isn`t so impossible she has an undeveloped egg in her uterus (or whatever she has insted).
But changing the scene in future cut to superfacehugger hiding somewhere would be best solution. Oh and remove ox and add dog in assembly cut (burst scene) and we are home.
But changing the scene in future cut to superfacehugger hiding somewhere would be best solution. Oh and remove ox and add dog in assembly cut (burst scene) and we are home.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 04:04:52 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: Lamal on Feb 24, 2015, 03:57:13 PM
Let it take place after Ressurection. Closure to the film.
Indeed. Completely agree.
Quote from: Master on Feb 24, 2015, 03:57:55 PM
But changing the scene in future cut to superfacehugger hiding somewhere would be best solution. Oh and remove ox and add dog in assembly cut (burst scene) and we are home.
And also completely agree.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 24, 2015, 04:16:27 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 24, 2015, 04:16:27 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 01:22:57 PMI completely agree.Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
If only we could handwave all the people who think "It was all a dream!" is anything other than the laziest get-out-of-jail free card out of here too...
But not as lazy as ad hominem side-swipes. ::)Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:16 PM
Yup. It'd be ridiculous, and incredibly convoluted, if they went that route.
If you're going to retcon, retcon. Do it with a little dignity though. Don't try to please everybody and then slap them in the face by saying it was all a dream.
I'm all for that. How? I'd be all for a really elegant solution that isn't Ripley's Indigestion - but I really can't think of one. I really liked that "The Evil Pred" idea that did have Ripley's Indigestion, only it was induced by Wey-Yu, running different scenarios - it was more thought out than that, but that's the gist of it.
Is it any less of a slap in the face to say "nah, don't worry, didn't happen." I genuinely think that that would confuse the vast majority (I don't have analytics to back that up of course, so conjecture), but for me, if (the huge IF) this is a retcon, they have to explain it somehow.
I can't think of a better way and in reading threads and threads and threads and threads, no one else on here can either. Or if they have, I've missed it - but I'm all ears (or more accurately - eyes), I would love there to be a consistent, logical and smarter way of explaining it.
I can see them doing a 'Returns... but for me that doesn't fit with this universe at all. But that's only my opinion ... maybe they will!Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
Which is why I say it's the placement that's the issue. If they'd have made it clear that it was in the dropship somewhere instead...or not stuck upside down. Or that a face-hugger had hitched a ride on the Queen from the Hive and omitted the egg completely. The sound of the face-hugger crawling is even in the credits of Aliens.
It's really not that much of a stretch. And it'd be nice if that sequence was reworked in any future Assembly Cuts.
No it's not a stretch at all, and I wish they had done that with the last Assembly Cut to be honest. It would have been really easy for them to do so. But they didn't - so all we have to go on is what we assume to be the case (which is entirely reasonable), but if we're going on "facts" such as they are, it doesn't stand up. Which was sort of my point to HuDa - if the Indigestion scenario is bad, it's no worse than the magic faceugger in a film that some are defending and want to keep as canon over and above a retcon.
I often read "for all its faults" about Alien3 - for me, this was the biggest one of all, the whole film hinges on something the audience has to assume has happened. Well, that and the other stuff I've been ranting on about, but all that hinges on the facehugger. No facehugger, no accident. No Alien3 for that matter! (Thinking about it, they REALLY should have done something with an Aliens cut to explain it!).Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
As I keep saying, it's conceivable. Entirely. As far back at Alien the notion of recording dreams or viewing dreams has been mentioned. It's just cheap. It's poor story writing. It is the worse trope of writing.
It may well be, but we agree it's conceivable and it fits. It's by far the neatest solution (if, if, if etc). A few cuts, some digital youthening (what should that word be? Making them look younger...?) in the cryo tube... bang. Its done.
I've said all along - its not ideal, but its logical and I feel better than adopting the 'Returns approach.
I wasn't too sure if and how I wanted A3 and A|R retconned, but I do think the dream manipulation is the best course. Cheap? Lazy? Maybe. It's far better than just ignoring the movies. They deserve to at LEAST exist in Ripley's imagination.
What comes to mind are stasis pods similar to the ones in Prometheus. Two at each side, with an android each working on them. In one pod you see the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection unfolding, Ripley's worst nightmares. Losing Hicks and Newt. Carrying an alien in her. A queen no less. Actually BECOMING part Alien in a cloning expirement. Her sorrow over losing both a biological and surrogate daughter summons a third "child" that is an even more grotesque human/alien hybrid than herself. Yet she has to lose this one as well, by her hands.
In the other pod, you see the events of Colonial Marines unfolding. Hicks' nightmare. (And all of ours as well :P) Still bound to Acheron. Prisoner of the company. Still fighting the xenos. With even more menacing variations. And although his outlook is more positive in that he escapes in the end, he never finds Ripley or Newt again.
The company for some reason trying to influence different outcomes and decisions during these subconscious invasions.
Yeah. It sounds pretty cheesy at times. But I could swallow this. For the sake of a good story. If the story sucks, well then it would just pile on and make it all that much worse. But for now I believe Blomkamp has something great in mind that would be worth the risk.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 24, 2015, 04:21:54 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 24, 2015, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 12:12:49 PM+1
If only we could handwave all the people who think "It was all a dream!" is anything other than the laziest get-out-of-jail free card out of here too...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2015, 02:57:26 PM
Considering the film is a mess, we don't have a choice.
Im sure there is another thread for this, but the magic egg does not bother me at all. It's a classic macguffin. You don't need to know where the egg came from, is just there.
I mean, if there is suddenly an egg in the Eiffel Tower, and then a movie with the aliens infesting Paris starts, that would be crazy. Where did the egg came from? But an EGG in a spaceship with an Alien Queen around, well, that makes sense. That it could have been done more nicely? yes.
But I don't think it's such a terrible thing to assume that could have happened.
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 24, 2015, 04:16:27 PMQuote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 01:22:57 PMI completely agree.Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
If only we could handwave all the people who think "It was all a dream!" is anything other than the laziest get-out-of-jail free card out of here too...
But not as lazy as ad hominem side-swipes. ::)Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:16 PM
Yup. It'd be ridiculous, and incredibly convoluted, if they went that route.
If you're going to retcon, retcon. Do it with a little dignity though. Don't try to please everybody and then slap them in the face by saying it was all a dream.
I'm all for that. How? I'd be all for a really elegant solution that isn't Ripley's Indigestion - but I really can't think of one. I really liked that "The Evil Pred" idea that did have Ripley's Indigestion, only it was induced by Wey-Yu, running different scenarios - it was more thought out than that, but that's the gist of it.
Is it any less of a slap in the face to say "nah, don't worry, didn't happen." I genuinely think that that would confuse the vast majority (I don't have analytics to back that up of course, so conjecture), but for me, if (the huge IF) this is a retcon, they have to explain it somehow.
I can't think of a better way and in reading threads and threads and threads and threads, no one else on here can either. Or if they have, I've missed it - but I'm all ears (or more accurately - eyes), I would love there to be a consistent, logical and smarter way of explaining it.
I can see them doing a 'Returns... but for me that doesn't fit with this universe at all. But that's only my opinion ... maybe they will!Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
Which is why I say it's the placement that's the issue. If they'd have made it clear that it was in the dropship somewhere instead...or not stuck upside down. Or that a face-hugger had hitched a ride on the Queen from the Hive and omitted the egg completely. The sound of the face-hugger crawling is even in the credits of Aliens.
It's really not that much of a stretch. And it'd be nice if that sequence was reworked in any future Assembly Cuts.
No it's not a stretch at all, and I wish they had done that with the last Assembly Cut to be honest. It would have been really easy for them to do so. But they didn't - so all we have to go on is what we assume to be the case (which is entirely reasonable), but if we're going on "facts" such as they are, it doesn't stand up. Which was sort of my point to HuDa - if the Indigestion scenario is bad, it's no worse than the magic faceugger in a film that some are defending and want to keep as canon over and above a retcon.
I often read "for all its faults" about Alien3 - for me, this was the biggest one of all, the whole film hinges on something the audience has to assume has happened. Well, that and the other stuff I've been ranting on about, but all that hinges on the facehugger. No facehugger, no accident. No Alien3 for that matter! (Thinking about it, they REALLY should have done something with an Aliens cut to explain it!).Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
As I keep saying, it's conceivable. Entirely. As far back at Alien the notion of recording dreams or viewing dreams has been mentioned. It's just cheap. It's poor story writing. It is the worse trope of writing.
It may well be, but we agree it's conceivable and it fits. It's by far the neatest solution (if, if, if etc). A few cuts, some digital youthening (what should that word be? Making them look younger...?) in the cryo tube... bang. Its done.
I've said all along - its not ideal, but its logical and I feel better than adopting the 'Returns approach.
I wasn't too sure if and how I wanted A3 and A|R retconned, but I do think the dream manipulation is the best course. Cheap? Lazy? Maybe. It's far better than just ignoring the movies. They deserve to at LEAST exist in Ripley's imagination.
What comes to mind are stasis pods similar to the ones in Prometheus. Two at each side, with an android each working on them. In one pod you see the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection unfolding, Ripley's worst nightmares. Losing Hicks and Newt. Carrying an alien in her. A queen no less. Actually BECOMING part Alien in a cloning expirement. Her sorrow over losing both a biological and surrogate daughter summons a third "child" that is an even more grotesque human/alien hybrid than herself. Yet she has to lose this one as well, by her hands.
In the other pod, you see the events of Colonial Marines unfolding. Hicks' nightmare. (And all of ours as well :P) Still bound to Acheron. Prisoner of the company. Still fighting the xenos. With even more menacing variations. And although his outlook is more positive in that he escapes in the end, he never finds Ripley or Newt again.
The company for some reason trying to influence different outcomes and decisions during these subconscious invasions.
Yeah. It sounds pretty cheesy at times. But I could swallow this. For the sake of a good story. If the story sucks, well then it would just pile on and make it all that much worse. But for now I believe Blomkamp has something great in mind that would be worth the risk.
People accepting that dream crap makes me understand why movies are so dumb nowadays...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:47:20 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:47:20 PM
I say retcon A3/A:R. Alien 3's plot only happened the way it did because in the REAL WORLD the movie went through development hell and even the people working on the movie probably would've wanted it to turn out differently. The continuation of ALIENS is what everyone really truly wanted.
And resurrection is just crap and wont be missed. Ripley 8 is a terrible character that isn't the REAL Ripley we all know and love. The real original Ripley would never sympathize with the aliens, and Ripley 8 was in fact PART alien, so f**k that. It was a goofy script that didn't fit in with the believability of the First 3 films.
And resurrection is just crap and wont be missed. Ripley 8 is a terrible character that isn't the REAL Ripley we all know and love. The real original Ripley would never sympathize with the aliens, and Ripley 8 was in fact PART alien, so f**k that. It was a goofy script that didn't fit in with the believability of the First 3 films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 04:49:34 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 04:49:34 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:47:20 PMThe continuation of ALIENS is what everyone really truly wanted.
Alien 3 was a continuation of Aliens.
Unless you mean an Aliens clone. And that's something I definitely didn't want.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:59:29 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:59:29 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 04:49:34 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:47:20 PMThe continuation of ALIENS is what everyone really truly wanted.
Alien 3 was a continuation of Aliens.
Unless you mean an Aliens clone. And that's something I definitely didn't want.
Not an Aliens clone, but a different direction of the story after Aliens, that's not Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 24, 2015, 05:55:36 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 24, 2015, 05:55:36 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:59:29 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 04:49:34 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:47:20 PMThe continuation of ALIENS is what everyone really truly wanted.
Alien 3 was a continuation of Aliens.
Unless you mean an Aliens clone. And that's something I definitely didn't want.
Not an Aliens clone, but a different direction of the story after Aliens, that's not Alien 3.
Alien 3 is an awesome failed movie. But I don't think it's problems have anything to do with killing hicks and newt. That was bold and brave and set the tone for the movie. I love Aliens, but In general I rather have an ALIEN tone that an ALIENS tone on this series. Aliens worked just because Cameron was on his prime, but I don't think it can work again. And its what I fear most from Neill, I think he is more likelly to make an actioner like ALIENS than a dark, claustrophobic thriller like ALIEN.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Master on Feb 24, 2015, 05:56:57 PM
Post by: Master on Feb 24, 2015, 05:56:57 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:59:29 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 04:49:34 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:47:20 PMThe continuation of ALIENS is what everyone really truly wanted.
Alien 3 was a continuation of Aliens.
Unless you mean an Aliens clone. And that's something I definitely didn't want.
Not an Aliens clone, but a different direction of the story after Aliens, that's not Alien 3.
Ever played Alien 3 The Gun? I think you`d love it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mike on Feb 24, 2015, 07:18:12 PM
Post by: Mike on Feb 24, 2015, 07:18:12 PM
Take place after AR? No but it should take place after Aliens. Retcon the sequels, and just build an awsome storyline from Aliens. Make a worthy follow up to Aliens as a continuation. A3 and Ar are only getting in the way of making a great sequel because of were it took the storyline. I liked both films but I say if you want this script to really work it's going to have to just refer to Alien and Aliens only. We need original Ripley not cloned Ripley. And Hicks. The 2 main characters it should have. I mean after seeing that concept art of the 2 just was awsome. Doesn't have to be called Alien 5. Shouldn't be called Alien 3 either has it will confuse fans of the previous Alien3. Call it Alien and a subtitle. I truly think this is the right way to go. Continue off we're the track record was still perfect. (Alien, Aliens). Also by not referencing the other films plots makes it a bit easier to write a new refreshing script. You don't have to worry about anything but what was seen in Alien and Aliens.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 24, 2015, 07:36:52 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 24, 2015, 07:36:52 PM
Quote from: Mike on Feb 24, 2015, 07:18:12 PM
Take place after AR? No but it should take place after Aliens. Retcon the sequels, and just build an awsome storyline from Aliens. Make a worthy follow up to Aliens as a continuation. A3 and Ar are only getting in the way of making a great sequel because of were it took the storyline. I liked both films but I say if you want this script to really work it's going to have to just refer to Alien and Aliens only. We need original Ripley not cloned Ripley. And Hicks. The 2 main characters it should have. I mean after seeing that concept art of the 2 just was awsome. Doesn't have to be called Alien 5. Shouldn't be called Alien 3 either has it will confuse fans of the previous Alien3. Call it Alien and a subtitle. I truly think this is the right way to go. Continue off we're the track record was still perfect. (Alien, Aliens). Also by not referencing the other films plots makes it a bit easier to write a new refreshing script. You don't have to worry about anything but what was seen in Alien and Aliens.
This is so right. Everything. Preach on Brother Mike.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 08:03:07 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 08:03:07 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 24, 2015, 07:36:52 PMQuote from: Mike on Feb 24, 2015, 07:18:12 PM
Take place after AR? No but it should take place after Aliens. Retcon the sequels, and just build an awsome storyline from Aliens. Make a worthy follow up to Aliens as a continuation. A3 and Ar are only getting in the way of making a great sequel because of were it took the storyline. I liked both films but I say if you want this script to really work it's going to have to just refer to Alien and Aliens only. We need original Ripley not cloned Ripley. And Hicks. The 2 main characters it should have. I mean after seeing that concept art of the 2 just was awsome. Doesn't have to be called Alien 5. Shouldn't be called Alien 3 either has it will confuse fans of the previous Alien3. Call it Alien and a subtitle. I truly think this is the right way to go. Continue off we're the track record was still perfect. (Alien, Aliens). Also by not referencing the other films plots makes it a bit easier to write a new refreshing script. You don't have to worry about anything but what was seen in Alien and Aliens.
This is so right. Everything. Preach on Brother Mike.
Exactly, I agree.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Master on Feb 24, 2015, 08:06:58 PM
Post by: Master on Feb 24, 2015, 08:06:58 PM
Guys, thats bullshit. It won`t happen either. Most probably it will have entire new cast. Sequel to A:R is less probable but possible. But dream sequences and Aliens sequel is a fanboy`s wet dream.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 09:32:35 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 09:32:35 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 24, 2015, 08:06:58 PM
Guys, thats bullshit. It won`t happen either. Most probably it will have entire new cast. Sequel to A:R is less probable but possible. But dream sequences and Aliens sequel is a fanboy`s wet dream.
I would also accept a movie set shortly after alien 3 with new characters, as long as its well-written of course. No A:R sequel though, please.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Its Auto on Feb 24, 2015, 11:49:22 PM
Post by: Its Auto on Feb 24, 2015, 11:49:22 PM
You know, I'm reading stuff here about the egg on the Sulaco (again), and the mention of 'emergency facehugger on queen' as there is "no other choice" ~ ya know, I'm just gonna copy and paste my post here from 5 days ago... while granted, the pitch was meant slightly tongue-in-cheek... I do see a 'missing story' the easiest way to put things right; it'd give us a sequel to Aliens, correct continuity errors, and wouldn't retcon Alien 3 (for those of us who love it!)
Original post for anyone who missed it;
Right here, right now, this director has the opportunity to set the franchise canon straight. I am excited, but I already have a gut feeling that it is going to be a missed opportunity. Here's my thought; How about we have a new 'Aliens' sequel while NOT retconning 'Alien 3', but instead, correcting the continuity errors?
Hear me out; This movie could take place AFTER 'Aliens', where Ripley, Newt and Hicks made it home safe.
*Insert awesome story right here, which includes aesthetics and technology which match that seen in Aliens (in the same way Isolation mimics the aesthetics of Alien), includes a soundtrack which matches the horror of the first movie, with the action and adrenaline of the second, a story where the characters are presented with an ordeal so pressing that Riply and Hicks cannot ignore, leaving Newt safely at Gateway (as responsible parents would), as they steal the Sulaco, along with the deactivated carcass of Bishop (as the only proof of what has happened) with a group of others and head on into the story. But hold onto your butts, after a rollercoaster ride of horror and shocking revelations, Wey-Yu shows up with Newt as leverage to stop Ripley on what she is about to do *insert further awesome story here* and it all ends with Ripley, Newt, a badly beaten up Hicks, and the deactivated Bishop that hasnt been part of the story but was left on the ship, all asleep in the CIVILIAN Cryo-bay (ya know, where they would have transported all those LV-426 colonists they were gonna rescue in the second movie - to account for difference in cryo-tubes) as the camera pans to a pulsating superhugger egg, which got there in perfectly plausible means thanks to an earlier scene in the movie XD
The end.
Now I'm not saying roll with that poor pitch by any means, but inserting a 'missing story' potentially could restore balance to the canon while pleasing everyone - and would be more creative than 'it was a dream'. :)
Original post for anyone who missed it;
Right here, right now, this director has the opportunity to set the franchise canon straight. I am excited, but I already have a gut feeling that it is going to be a missed opportunity. Here's my thought; How about we have a new 'Aliens' sequel while NOT retconning 'Alien 3', but instead, correcting the continuity errors?
Hear me out; This movie could take place AFTER 'Aliens', where Ripley, Newt and Hicks made it home safe.
*Insert awesome story right here, which includes aesthetics and technology which match that seen in Aliens (in the same way Isolation mimics the aesthetics of Alien), includes a soundtrack which matches the horror of the first movie, with the action and adrenaline of the second, a story where the characters are presented with an ordeal so pressing that Riply and Hicks cannot ignore, leaving Newt safely at Gateway (as responsible parents would), as they steal the Sulaco, along with the deactivated carcass of Bishop (as the only proof of what has happened) with a group of others and head on into the story. But hold onto your butts, after a rollercoaster ride of horror and shocking revelations, Wey-Yu shows up with Newt as leverage to stop Ripley on what she is about to do *insert further awesome story here* and it all ends with Ripley, Newt, a badly beaten up Hicks, and the deactivated Bishop that hasnt been part of the story but was left on the ship, all asleep in the CIVILIAN Cryo-bay (ya know, where they would have transported all those LV-426 colonists they were gonna rescue in the second movie - to account for difference in cryo-tubes) as the camera pans to a pulsating superhugger egg, which got there in perfectly plausible means thanks to an earlier scene in the movie XD
The end.
Now I'm not saying roll with that poor pitch by any means, but inserting a 'missing story' potentially could restore balance to the canon while pleasing everyone - and would be more creative than 'it was a dream'. :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 25, 2015, 12:25:58 AM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 25, 2015, 12:25:58 AM
Quote from: Master on Feb 24, 2015, 05:56:57 PMhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Coin-Operated-Aliens-3-Video-Game-/171693035681?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f9b3d0a1 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coin-Operated-Aliens-3-Video-Game-/171693035681?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f9b3d0a1)Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:59:29 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 04:49:34 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:47:20 PMThe continuation of ALIENS is what everyone really truly wanted.
Alien 3 was a continuation of Aliens.
Unless you mean an Aliens clone. And that's something I definitely didn't want.
Not an Aliens clone, but a different direction of the story after Aliens, that's not Alien 3.
Ever played Alien 3 The Gun? I think you`d love it.
:D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 02:04:50 AM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 02:04:50 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 24, 2015, 04:21:54 PMIt's better than just ignoring it. That's even dumber. The end justifies the means, IMO.Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 24, 2015, 04:16:27 PMQuote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 01:22:57 PMI completely agree.Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
If only we could handwave all the people who think "It was all a dream!" is anything other than the laziest get-out-of-jail free card out of here too...
But not as lazy as ad hominem side-swipes. ::)Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:16 PM
Yup. It'd be ridiculous, and incredibly convoluted, if they went that route.
If you're going to retcon, retcon. Do it with a little dignity though. Don't try to please everybody and then slap them in the face by saying it was all a dream.
I'm all for that. How? I'd be all for a really elegant solution that isn't Ripley's Indigestion - but I really can't think of one. I really liked that "The Evil Pred" idea that did have Ripley's Indigestion, only it was induced by Wey-Yu, running different scenarios - it was more thought out than that, but that's the gist of it.
Is it any less of a slap in the face to say "nah, don't worry, didn't happen." I genuinely think that that would confuse the vast majority (I don't have analytics to back that up of course, so conjecture), but for me, if (the huge IF) this is a retcon, they have to explain it somehow.
I can't think of a better way and in reading threads and threads and threads and threads, no one else on here can either. Or if they have, I've missed it - but I'm all ears (or more accurately - eyes), I would love there to be a consistent, logical and smarter way of explaining it.
I can see them doing a 'Returns... but for me that doesn't fit with this universe at all. But that's only my opinion ... maybe they will!Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
Which is why I say it's the placement that's the issue. If they'd have made it clear that it was in the dropship somewhere instead...or not stuck upside down. Or that a face-hugger had hitched a ride on the Queen from the Hive and omitted the egg completely. The sound of the face-hugger crawling is even in the credits of Aliens.
It's really not that much of a stretch. And it'd be nice if that sequence was reworked in any future Assembly Cuts.
No it's not a stretch at all, and I wish they had done that with the last Assembly Cut to be honest. It would have been really easy for them to do so. But they didn't - so all we have to go on is what we assume to be the case (which is entirely reasonable), but if we're going on "facts" such as they are, it doesn't stand up. Which was sort of my point to HuDa - if the Indigestion scenario is bad, it's no worse than the magic faceugger in a film that some are defending and want to keep as canon over and above a retcon.
I often read "for all its faults" about Alien3 - for me, this was the biggest one of all, the whole film hinges on something the audience has to assume has happened. Well, that and the other stuff I've been ranting on about, but all that hinges on the facehugger. No facehugger, no accident. No Alien3 for that matter! (Thinking about it, they REALLY should have done something with an Aliens cut to explain it!).Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
As I keep saying, it's conceivable. Entirely. As far back at Alien the notion of recording dreams or viewing dreams has been mentioned. It's just cheap. It's poor story writing. It is the worse trope of writing.
It may well be, but we agree it's conceivable and it fits. It's by far the neatest solution (if, if, if etc). A few cuts, some digital youthening (what should that word be? Making them look younger...?) in the cryo tube... bang. Its done.
I've said all along - its not ideal, but its logical and I feel better than adopting the 'Returns approach.
I wasn't too sure if and how I wanted A3 and A|R retconned, but I do think the dream manipulation is the best course. Cheap? Lazy? Maybe. It's far better than just ignoring the movies. They deserve to at LEAST exist in Ripley's imagination.
What comes to mind are stasis pods similar to the ones in Prometheus. Two at each side, with an android each working on them. In one pod you see the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection unfolding, Ripley's worst nightmares. Losing Hicks and Newt. Carrying an alien in her. A queen no less. Actually BECOMING part Alien in a cloning expirement. Her sorrow over losing both a biological and surrogate daughter summons a third "child" that is an even more grotesque human/alien hybrid than herself. Yet she has to lose this one as well, by her hands.
In the other pod, you see the events of Colonial Marines unfolding. Hicks' nightmare. (And all of ours as well :P) Still bound to Acheron. Prisoner of the company. Still fighting the xenos. With even more menacing variations. And although his outlook is more positive in that he escapes in the end, he never finds Ripley or Newt again.
The company for some reason trying to influence different outcomes and decisions during these subconscious invasions.
Yeah. It sounds pretty cheesy at times. But I could swallow this. For the sake of a good story. If the story sucks, well then it would just pile on and make it all that much worse. But for now I believe Blomkamp has something great in mind that would be worth the risk.
People accepting that dream crap makes me understand why movies are so dumb nowadays...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gilfryd on Feb 25, 2015, 02:31:10 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on Feb 25, 2015, 02:31:10 AM
I'll know how I feel about this after Chappie. Blomkamp comes up with a lot of cool ideas and designs but Elysium was a big drop after District 9 (which I wasn't crazy about either, but at least it had a level of satisfaction to it). The worst it can be is Cameron/ Aliens fan-wank because we all know Blomkamp likes his guns and mecha - they'll just be grimy and covered in trashy graffiti.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 25, 2015, 03:23:19 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 25, 2015, 03:23:19 AM
I wouldn't really use Chappie to gauge what this film will be like. Imma just sit back next week, watch Chappie, and let the insanity take over. 8)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 03:45:36 AM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 03:45:36 AM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 02:04:50 AMQuote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 24, 2015, 04:21:54 PMIt's better than just ignoring it. That's even dumber. The end justifies the means, IMO.Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 24, 2015, 04:16:27 PMQuote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 01:22:57 PMI completely agree.Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
If only we could handwave all the people who think "It was all a dream!" is anything other than the laziest get-out-of-jail free card out of here too...
But not as lazy as ad hominem side-swipes. ::)Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:16 PM
Yup. It'd be ridiculous, and incredibly convoluted, if they went that route.
If you're going to retcon, retcon. Do it with a little dignity though. Don't try to please everybody and then slap them in the face by saying it was all a dream.
I'm all for that. How? I'd be all for a really elegant solution that isn't Ripley's Indigestion - but I really can't think of one. I really liked that "The Evil Pred" idea that did have Ripley's Indigestion, only it was induced by Wey-Yu, running different scenarios - it was more thought out than that, but that's the gist of it.
Is it any less of a slap in the face to say "nah, don't worry, didn't happen." I genuinely think that that would confuse the vast majority (I don't have analytics to back that up of course, so conjecture), but for me, if (the huge IF) this is a retcon, they have to explain it somehow.
I can't think of a better way and in reading threads and threads and threads and threads, no one else on here can either. Or if they have, I've missed it - but I'm all ears (or more accurately - eyes), I would love there to be a consistent, logical and smarter way of explaining it.
I can see them doing a 'Returns... but for me that doesn't fit with this universe at all. But that's only my opinion ... maybe they will!Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
Which is why I say it's the placement that's the issue. If they'd have made it clear that it was in the dropship somewhere instead...or not stuck upside down. Or that a face-hugger had hitched a ride on the Queen from the Hive and omitted the egg completely. The sound of the face-hugger crawling is even in the credits of Aliens.
It's really not that much of a stretch. And it'd be nice if that sequence was reworked in any future Assembly Cuts.
No it's not a stretch at all, and I wish they had done that with the last Assembly Cut to be honest. It would have been really easy for them to do so. But they didn't - so all we have to go on is what we assume to be the case (which is entirely reasonable), but if we're going on "facts" such as they are, it doesn't stand up. Which was sort of my point to HuDa - if the Indigestion scenario is bad, it's no worse than the magic faceugger in a film that some are defending and want to keep as canon over and above a retcon.
I often read "for all its faults" about Alien3 - for me, this was the biggest one of all, the whole film hinges on something the audience has to assume has happened. Well, that and the other stuff I've been ranting on about, but all that hinges on the facehugger. No facehugger, no accident. No Alien3 for that matter! (Thinking about it, they REALLY should have done something with an Aliens cut to explain it!).Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
As I keep saying, it's conceivable. Entirely. As far back at Alien the notion of recording dreams or viewing dreams has been mentioned. It's just cheap. It's poor story writing. It is the worse trope of writing.
It may well be, but we agree it's conceivable and it fits. It's by far the neatest solution (if, if, if etc). A few cuts, some digital youthening (what should that word be? Making them look younger...?) in the cryo tube... bang. Its done.
I've said all along - its not ideal, but its logical and I feel better than adopting the 'Returns approach.
I wasn't too sure if and how I wanted A3 and A|R retconned, but I do think the dream manipulation is the best course. Cheap? Lazy? Maybe. It's far better than just ignoring the movies. They deserve to at LEAST exist in Ripley's imagination.
What comes to mind are stasis pods similar to the ones in Prometheus. Two at each side, with an android each working on them. In one pod you see the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection unfolding, Ripley's worst nightmares. Losing Hicks and Newt. Carrying an alien in her. A queen no less. Actually BECOMING part Alien in a cloning expirement. Her sorrow over losing both a biological and surrogate daughter summons a third "child" that is an even more grotesque human/alien hybrid than herself. Yet she has to lose this one as well, by her hands.
In the other pod, you see the events of Colonial Marines unfolding. Hicks' nightmare. (And all of ours as well :P) Still bound to Acheron. Prisoner of the company. Still fighting the xenos. With even more menacing variations. And although his outlook is more positive in that he escapes in the end, he never finds Ripley or Newt again.
The company for some reason trying to influence different outcomes and decisions during these subconscious invasions.
Yeah. It sounds pretty cheesy at times. But I could swallow this. For the sake of a good story. If the story sucks, well then it would just pile on and make it all that much worse. But for now I believe Blomkamp has something great in mind that would be worth the risk.
People accepting that dream crap makes me understand why movies are so dumb nowadays...
But who said they are ignoring alien 3 and A:R?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 03:48:48 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 03:48:48 AM
Nobody knows anything. It's all conjecture. People are just voicing their opinions about the possible retcon of Alien 3 and AR. Some say retcon. Some say no retcon. Some say make Alien 3 and AR a bad dream. It's a huge argument about nothing really.
I say: I love the smell of retcon in the morning!
I say: I love the smell of retcon in the morning!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 25, 2015, 03:50:47 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 25, 2015, 03:50:47 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't mind if Blomkamp used some retcon marines to get it done. ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 08:17:32 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 08:17:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI)
That was just terrible Kiramid. Just terrible. xD
That was just terrible Kiramid. Just terrible. xD
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 08:50:29 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 08:50:29 AM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 02:04:50 AMIt's better than just ignoring it. That's even dumber. The end justifies the means, IMO.
Funny, Superman Returns didn't strike me as especially dumb.
In no way is just ignoring it sillier than coming up with ridiculous contrivances in an attempt to rationalise things.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 25, 2015, 10:47:12 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 25, 2015, 10:47:12 AM
Correct, however both are absolutely disgusting ideas, neither of which should be followed through on.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Spooky Baz on Feb 25, 2015, 11:57:10 AM
Post by: Spooky Baz on Feb 25, 2015, 11:57:10 AM
You see the hoops we're having to jump through in order to justify Weaver's inclusion in Alien 5? It's ridiculous no matter the angle.
Ripley is dead. Long live Ripley's replacement.
Ripley is dead. Long live Ripley's replacement.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 11:58:29 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 11:58:29 AM
There's no hoops to jump through to get Sigourney involved. Ripley 8 is still out there and her story is still unresolved.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 12:49:37 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 12:49:37 PM
There's no hoops. With one simple decision on behalf of Fox, A3 and AR become an alternate history and we get a better continuity which features Hicks and the real Ripley.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: martin.whittaker.31 on Feb 25, 2015, 01:53:06 PM
Post by: martin.whittaker.31 on Feb 25, 2015, 01:53:06 PM
Its difficult to see where the story can go from here. I loved the original 3 films and thought that it should have ended as a trilogy. I hate all the negatives Alien 3 gets. I thought it was an excellent film, yeah it didnt go in the direction that a lot of people thought it would go but it was a great film nevertheless and I felt ended the story, or would have ended the story with closure. Sadly we were given the disasterpiece that was Resurrection that ruined the franchise but hey ho, s**t happens. If Ripley, Hicks, Bishop and Newt are set to make a comeback I think the only possible way to do it is to release an alternate sequel to Aliens. Taking the story to new place/time etc. If successful possibly leading on to more films to spin as much money as they can out of the francise that is Alien/s. Sadly that is the way the film industry seems to be at the moment, money/remakes over plot/storyline. How many Rambos do we have now? I digress. Doing this would at least give the fans the choice. Remember the first 3 films as the classic trilogy that it was and still is to this day or venture off into whatever universe Blomkamp will create like we are doing with Scotts Prometheus universe. I am a sucker for the first 3 films. My favourite 3 films of all time. You just cant beat them in my eyes. However the fanboy inside of me needs Corporal Hicks back in my life. What NEEDS to go is the idea of Alien 3 and Resurrection being all a bad dream. Yeah its an acceptable plot twist, if it was a childrens story however we are not children and the story deserves the respect it has earned over the years. One thing is for sure though, the next year is gonna be pretty damn interesting, SADDLE UP!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 25, 2015, 02:00:18 PM
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 25, 2015, 02:00:18 PM
How is having Hicks and Newt better continuity? Retconning two films out of a series is a messy and harmful affair. Theres a lot of people who love Alien 3. Alternate timelines? This isn't a comic book movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 03:10:43 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 03:10:43 PM
Having Hicks and Newt is a better continuity because they've become core characters. The series never recovered from their loss. People simply love these characters. I would say that many people on forums couldn't care less about Newt, but that is because they're sci-fi fans and are often impervious to the emotional impacts of a tale of a child surviving such a terrible tragedy. Hicks and Newt are now to the story what Mary Jane and JJ Simpson are to Spider Man. They complete the circle of Ripley's existence 57 years after Alien.
Alien as a film franchise will always be flawed without the real Ripley (and her posse Hicks and Newt). The Aliens on their own, while interesting are nothing more than a force of nature. They are animals. The Alien series is a human tale, and you can't dispose of the main characters and expect that the series will not sputter out. I know many people will disagree. That's ok.
Alien as a film franchise will always be flawed without the real Ripley (and her posse Hicks and Newt). The Aliens on their own, while interesting are nothing more than a force of nature. They are animals. The Alien series is a human tale, and you can't dispose of the main characters and expect that the series will not sputter out. I know many people will disagree. That's ok.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 03:21:57 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 03:21:57 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 03:10:43 PM
I know many people will disagree. That's ok.
And many that won't. I think you phrase it best here - "the series never recovered from their loss." Quite right, I've never really thought of it like that, but this is spot on. I've ranted on about the treatment of the characters in terms of story and their lazy ending, but taking that further, this is a really accurate assessment. You always read "despite its flaws" (Alien3) or "interesting ideas" (AR) but never that they're better or even on a par with the first movies.
I guess because, Dallas, Kane, Parker, Hicks, Hudson, Vasquez and Gorman (et al) provided great support for Ripley, whereas 3 and 4 have nothing that comes close? Does the "mother" Ripley need a family around her to make her character relevant? She's a survivor of course, but she's also a caregiver. She saves the cat, she saves the marines, she saves Newt... now a real survivor would have f**ked off and left the cat, marines and kid to stew.
Hmmm. I don't know if that's accurate, but it made me double take.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 03:30:48 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 03:30:48 PM
That's exactly it. Aliens was a film about nurturing and motherhood. True Aliens fans who want a continuation of Aliens are more about these human themes than fanboy Colonial Marines fantasies.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 03:43:00 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 03:43:00 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 03:10:43 PMHaving Hicks and Newt is a better continuity because they've become core characters.
They were in one movie. Morse and Johner are as much core characters as they are.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 03:49:58 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 03:49:58 PM
Morse was a criminal who must have committed murder to wind up on Fiorina 161. Johner was also a criminal and a party to murder if you consider that his crew smuggled human cargo to be experimented on. Both are irredeemable basically.
Are you really asking viewers to have more of an emotional connection with these bastards over an innocent child?
Are you really asking viewers to have more of an emotional connection with these bastards over an innocent child?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 03:51:36 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 03:51:36 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 03:43:00 PM
They were in one movie. Morse and Johner are as much core characters as they are.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 03:55:11 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 03:55:11 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 03:49:58 PMMorse was a criminal who must have committed murder to wind up on Fiorina 161. Johner was also a criminal and a party to murder if you consider that his crew smuggled human cargo to be experimented on. Both are irredeemable basically.
That wasn't my point. My point was 90% of joe public, who have only seen the films and neither know nor care about comics, have had as much exposure to the two characters I mentioned as Hicks and Newt. The latter are more memorable, perhaps. More likeable, definitely. But no more valid.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 03:57:37 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 03:57:37 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 03:51:36 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 03:43:00 PM
They were in one movie. Morse and Johner are as much core characters as they are.
I know the feeling, Russ.
HuDa is completely right. Hicks and Newt are no more vital to the over-arcing story of the Alien than Morse or Johner. They maybe more likable (Newt is debatable) but no more important. Hicks and Newt are important to Aliens because the theme of Aliens was the atomic family and maternity.
That theme wasn't present in any other Alien film. Morse is just as vital to Alien 3 because that was a film about desperation and hopelessness. What's more hopeless than the dredges of humanity flung out into space.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 04:02:57 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 04:02:57 PM
I agree to strongly disagree with you on this point. Newt became the raison D'etre for Ripley to go on. That child was arguably more important than Hicks. Hicks was just a super cool addition. I cansee though why back in the day Sigourney didn't want him back for Alien 3. He could have stolen her spotlight and ALL FILMS are about the strength of woman (maternity aside). But Sigourney's decisions basically painted her character into a corner. It was kind of selfish if you think about it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 04:08:31 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 04:08:31 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 04:02:57 PMI cansee though why back in the day Sigourney didn't want him back for Alien 3. He could have stolen her spotlight and ALL FILMS are about the strength of woman (maternity aside). But Sigourney's decisions basically painted her character into a corner. It was kind of selfish if you think about it.
Sigourney had nothing to do with it. She only wanted Ripely to die. Hicks was killed off by the writers before Weaver got anywhere near it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 04:16:09 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 04:16:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 03:57:37 PM
I know the feeling, Russ.
HuDa is completely right. Hicks and Newt are no more vital to the over-arcing story of the Alien than Morse or Johner. They maybe more likable (Newt is debatable) but no more important. Hicks and Newt are important to Aliens because the theme of Aliens was the atomic family and maternity.
That theme wasn't present in any other Alien film. Morse is just as vital to Alien 3 because that was a film about desperation and hopelessness. What's more hopeless than the dredges of humanity flung out into space.
I think we may be getting to the heart of the matter, Hicks (it only took 45 pages). The second two films are lesser than the first because of the changes written to Ripley. We (the Aliens fans we) know that A3 went through a gazillion rewrites, sets being built with no script in place... all that stuff.
But here's the thing: "most people" need to connect with movie characters on an emotional level. I was blown away with PO's post because this really just occurred to me (in this context) when he wrote it. Morse might be funny in a deranged way, Johnner might be a "cool" anti-hero but we don't really give a crap about them. We don't connect with them, we don't care if they live or die.
The crews of the Nostromo and Sulaco on the other hand, we do care. And Ripley cares about them (in 3 she cares about killing the alien, in 4... actually, I don't know about 4).
We (general public we) especially care about Hicks, Ripley and Newt and we hope that they will end up happy ever after (they hint at all the time. The way Hicks is looking at her when she's doing her opening speech, the "I can take care of myself" piece, the "See you, Ellen" bit... the way Ripley deals with Newt's hot chocolate issues, the way she sleeps under the cot... all that stuff.
Now, I get that A3 wasn't supposed to be like that - it is all the things you say it is. But perhaps it fails because, ultimately, we can't connect with anyone in that movie. It's dark and depressing, a "fitting end" all that stuff. But it's a flawed movie as everyone acknowledges both in technical terms (rewrites etc) and in emotional terms.
Whereas 1 and 2 win on all levels because of the characters and the attachment we and Ripley feel towards them to a greater or lesser extent. She has a relationship with all of them to a greater or lesser extent - even Parker and Brett who she doesn't like particularly (or perhaps vice versa).
So no, Hicks and Newt aren't important in the story as we have it - but they are important to the character and I'm thinking that PO has nailed why 3 and 4 are widely regarded as forgettable and / or crap by Joe Public, whereas 1 and 2 make onto every list of "Best Sci-Fi Movies" since lists of Best Sci-Fi movies started coming out. The themes of 3 (and 4) are wrong for the character established in one and two and they failed because of it.
What do you think?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 04:26:08 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 04:26:08 PM
I couldn't care less about Hicks and Newt outside the ALIENS movie.
Some people agree, some disagree, but saying that MOST people do isn't the truth, as saying most people don't isn't either.
Unless somebody has a poll about it saying otherwise.
I Don't want A3 dismissed, and even tho I absolutely despise A:R, I don't think they are dismissing it, and it would feel really strange if they did.
Anyway, this is an interesting debate but absolutely pointless at this moment.
Some people agree, some disagree, but saying that MOST people do isn't the truth, as saying most people don't isn't either.
Unless somebody has a poll about it saying otherwise.
I Don't want A3 dismissed, and even tho I absolutely despise A:R, I don't think they are dismissing it, and it would feel really strange if they did.
Anyway, this is an interesting debate but absolutely pointless at this moment.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 04:33:34 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 04:33:34 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 04:26:08 PM
I couldn't care less about Hicks and Newt outside the ALIENS movie.
That is really cold. But I guess eponymously so.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 25, 2015, 04:34:53 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 25, 2015, 04:34:53 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 03:57:37 PM
HuDa is completely right. Hicks and Newt are no more vital to the over-arcing story of the Alien than Morse or Johner. They maybe more likable (Newt is debatable) but no more important. Hicks and Newt are important to Aliens because the theme of Aliens was the atomic family and maternity.
That theme wasn't present in any other Alien film. Morse is just as vital to Alien 3 because that was a film about desperation and hopelessness. What's more hopeless than the dredges of humanity flung out into space.
I disagree, for reasons that have been very well explained here already. Newt especially has far more function than Morse or Johner. Remove Newt from Aliens and see what you're left with. Do the same for these other aforementioned characters and what happens? The movies lose a couple of one-liners.
There's also another consideration: that outside of these forums and fan circles, the other movies might as well not exist. We are outnumbered, I would hazard to say, by casual fans who still hold Alien and Aliens very close but don't come online to dissect the movies. Some of the biggest fans I know have never so much as graced a forum. Alien 3 and 4 are lesser works seems to be the general response, unless you appreciate, say, Alien 3 for various aesthetic reasons. History is littered with lesser works. A successful series should make concessions with its continuity or it won't survive. This is new to the realm of cinema because film is still in its relative infancy compared to, say, poetics and other forms of fiction.
I can imagine that hundreds of years ago there were folk who might have said, "I love Arthurian literature but I ignore anything that Layamon or Wace wrote," and others might have said in retort, "But it's important to the canon! You can't just ignore so-and-so. It would be a headf**k!"
We have to make room for new works, even if they sometimes override established ones. It might seem palimpsestuous but that's been the nature of storytelling since its beginnings. We might not get something that's better, but that's the gamble. I say if Neill and Fox think they can do something with a Hicks/Ripley angle, then bring it. I imagine general audiences might be relieved that they only have to swat up on two (classic) movies rather than a messy four.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 04:43:38 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 04:43:38 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 25, 2015, 04:34:53 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 03:57:37 PM
HuDa is completely right. Hicks and Newt are no more vital to the over-arcing story of the Alien than Morse or Johner. They maybe more likable (Newt is debatable) but no more important. Hicks and Newt are important to Aliens because the theme of Aliens was the atomic family and maternity.
That theme wasn't present in any other Alien film. Morse is just as vital to Alien 3 because that was a film about desperation and hopelessness. What's more hopeless than the dredges of humanity flung out into space.
I disagree, for reasons that have been very well explained here already. Newt especially has far more function than Morse or Johner. Remove Newt from Aliens and see what you're left with. Do the same for these other aforementioned characters and what happens? The movies lose a couple of one-liners.
There's also another consideration: that outside of these forums and fan circles, the other movies might as well not exist. We are outnumbered, I would hazard to say, by casual fans who still hold Alien and Aliens very close but don't come online to dissect the movies. Some of the biggest fans I know have never so much as graced a forum. Alien 3 and 4 are lesser works seems to be the general response, unless you appreciate, say, Alien 3 for various aesthetic reasons. History is littered with lesser works. A successful series should make concessions with its continuity or it won't survive. This is new to the realm of cinema because film is still in its relative infancy compared to, say, poetics and other forms of fiction.
I can imagine that hundreds of years ago there were folk who might have said, "I love Arthurian literature but I ignore anything that Layamon or Wace wrote," and others might have said in retort, "But it's important to the canon! You can't just ignore so-and-so. It would be a headf**k!"
We have to make room for new works, even if they sometimes override established ones. It might seem palimpsestuous but that's been the nature of storytelling since its beginnings. We might not get something that's better, but that's the gamble. I say if Neill and Fox think they can do something with a Hicks/Ripley angle, then bring it. I imagine general audiences might be relieved that they only have to swat up on two (classic) movies rather than a messy four.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 04:44:43 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 04:44:43 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 04:26:08 PM
Anyway, this is an interesting debate but absolutely pointless at this moment.
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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 06:12:22 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 06:12:22 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 25, 2015, 04:34:53 PMAgreed!Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 03:57:37 PM
HuDa is completely right. Hicks and Newt are no more vital to the over-arcing story of the Alien than Morse or Johner. They maybe more likable (Newt is debatable) but no more important. Hicks and Newt are important to Aliens because the theme of Aliens was the atomic family and maternity.
That theme wasn't present in any other Alien film. Morse is just as vital to Alien 3 because that was a film about desperation and hopelessness. What's more hopeless than the dredges of humanity flung out into space.
I disagree, for reasons that have been very well explained here already. Newt especially has far more function than Morse or Johner. Remove Newt from Aliens and see what you're left with. Do the same for these other aforementioned characters and what happens? The movies lose a couple of one-liners.
There's also another consideration: that outside of these forums and fan circles, the other movies might as well not exist. We are outnumbered, I would hazard to say, by casual fans who still hold Alien and Aliens very close but don't come online to dissect the movies. Some of the biggest fans I know have never so much as graced a forum. Alien 3 and 4 are lesser works seems to be the general response, unless you appreciate, say, Alien 3 for various aesthetic reasons. History is littered with lesser works. A successful series should make concessions with its continuity or it won't survive. This is new to the realm of cinema because film is still in its relative infancy compared to, say, poetics and other forms of fiction.
I can imagine that hundreds of years ago there were folk who might have said, "I love Arthurian literature but I ignore anything that Layamon or Wace wrote," and others might have said in retort, "But it's important to the canon! You can't just ignore so-and-so. It would be a headf**k!"
We have to make room for new works, even if they sometimes override established ones. It might seem palimpsestuous but that's been the nature of storytelling since its beginnings. We might not get something that's better, but that's the gamble. I say if Neill and Fox think they can do something with a Hicks/Ripley angle, then bring it. I imagine general audiences might be relieved that they only have to swat up on two (classic) movies rather than a messy four.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 25, 2015, 06:57:56 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 25, 2015, 06:57:56 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 25, 2015, 04:34:53 PM
I can imagine that hundreds of years ago there were folk who might have said, "I love Arthurian literature but I ignore anything that Layamon or Wace wrote," and others might have said in retort, "But it's important to the canon! You can't just ignore so-and-so. It would be a headf**k!"
I love this paragraph so much. We'd only lose the freaking Round Table completely of we ignored them. :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 07:40:45 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 07:40:45 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 04:33:34 PMQuote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 04:26:08 PM
I couldn't care less about Hicks and Newt outside the ALIENS movie.
That is really cold. But I guess eponymously so.
You know they are not real people right? :P
Quote from: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 04:44:43 PMQuote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 04:26:08 PM
Anyway, this is an interesting debate but absolutely pointless at this moment.
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I mean that we have no idea yet about where the story is going, so we can debate of course, but some people debate as they knew something we don't. Anyway, as I said it's interesting to see all opinions of course.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 25, 2015, 07:49:48 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 25, 2015, 07:49:48 PM
Neill and Siggy spill all the beans!*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8os-IfZhg#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8os-IfZhg#ws)
*well, not really...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8os-IfZhg#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8os-IfZhg#ws)
*well, not really...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 07:52:45 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 07:52:45 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 07:49:48 PM
Neill and Siggy spill all the beans!*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8os-IfZhg#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8os-IfZhg#ws)
*well, not really...
"It's Alien, Aliens, then this movie." YES please! Its retcon time, baby! :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 25, 2015, 07:54:46 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 25, 2015, 07:54:46 PM
R.I.P Alien³ & Alien: Resurection :'(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 07:58:19 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 07:58:19 PM
Wait wait wait...
"It's Alien, Aliens, then this movie."
So ARE we looking at a retcon?! :o Please tell me this is conjecture.. Please.
"It's Alien, Aliens, then this movie."
So ARE we looking at a retcon?! :o Please tell me this is conjecture.. Please.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 08:00:00 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 08:00:00 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 07:52:45 PMApparently so! I'm fine with this 8)Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 07:49:48 PM
Neill and Siggy spill all the beans!*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8os-IfZhg#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8os-IfZhg#ws)
*well, not really...
"It's Alien, Aliens, then this movie." YES please! Its retcon time, baby! :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 25, 2015, 08:04:53 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 25, 2015, 08:04:53 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 07:58:19 PM
Wait wait wait...
"It's Alien, Aliens, then this movie."
So ARE we looking at a retcon?! :o Please tell me this is conjecture.. Please.
How else are you going to fit it in before Alien 3? I don't think doing a Jeff Bridges/Clu on all the actors is going to be an option.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:08:51 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:08:51 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 08:04:53 PM
How else are you going to fit it in before Alien 3? I don't think doing a Jeff Bridges/Clu on all the actors is going to be an option.
I don't get the Jeff Bridges/Clu reference but.. You know I am going to wait until this is concrete. I mean there hasn't been a lot of news but if this is a retcon.. And I mean a retcon involving an actual write out of Alien 3 onward.. Aaaah.. Wow! Just... Wow! :-\
And I'm not even an Alien fan as I am Predator but damn... This.. If it's more than conjecture then.. damn.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:10:53 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:10:53 PM
Jeff Bridges was digitally rejuvenated as CLU in TRON: Legacy.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:12:32 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:12:32 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:10:53 PM
Jeff Bridges was digitally rejuvenated as CLU in TRON: Legacy.
I never saw Tron: Legacy so that reference went over my head.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 08:14:47 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 08:14:47 PM
Weaver-NiellBlomkamp
Building Better Sequels.
Building Better Sequels.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:17:40 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:17:40 PM
So it is a retcon then. :-[
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Feb 25, 2015, 08:19:32 PM
Post by: T Dog on Feb 25, 2015, 08:19:32 PM
Just found this interview with Weaver from June of last year. So that's a few months after Chappie wrapped.
It's interesting because she's most likely referring to Blomkamp and obviously wants to continue and end the story from the perspective of Ripley 8.
I feel after going to a couple of these Comic Cons and meeting so many fans who are so passionate about the series, passionate about Ripley — that there's more story to tell; but I don't know how to do that. I don't think Alien belongs on Earth popping out of a haystack, which is where I was afraid it was going to go. I feel it should take place in the far reaches of the universe where no one in their right mind would go. There are very few filmmakers that I can think of that I would want to entrust this to. But I can think of a couple... I feel there's a longing in certain groups of fans when I meet them for the story to be finished because we really left it up in the air and I feel a bit badly about that because I was part of that decision making process. I didn't want to make four and five in a bundle. I think it's hard to make these films all in a big lump. You need time to sort of let things resonate so I can imagine a situation where we could at least finish telling her story. I think that would be very satisfying at least to me — although I haven't done anything about it; but I can understand why that could happen and I certainly know young filmmakers who are interested in doing that. So we'll just have to see what happens.
Source: http://collider.com/alien-sequel-sigourney-weaver/ (http://collider.com/alien-sequel-sigourney-weaver/)
It's interesting because she's most likely referring to Blomkamp and obviously wants to continue and end the story from the perspective of Ripley 8.
I feel after going to a couple of these Comic Cons and meeting so many fans who are so passionate about the series, passionate about Ripley — that there's more story to tell; but I don't know how to do that. I don't think Alien belongs on Earth popping out of a haystack, which is where I was afraid it was going to go. I feel it should take place in the far reaches of the universe where no one in their right mind would go. There are very few filmmakers that I can think of that I would want to entrust this to. But I can think of a couple... I feel there's a longing in certain groups of fans when I meet them for the story to be finished because we really left it up in the air and I feel a bit badly about that because I was part of that decision making process. I didn't want to make four and five in a bundle. I think it's hard to make these films all in a big lump. You need time to sort of let things resonate so I can imagine a situation where we could at least finish telling her story. I think that would be very satisfying at least to me — although I haven't done anything about it; but I can understand why that could happen and I certainly know young filmmakers who are interested in doing that. So we'll just have to see what happens.
Source: http://collider.com/alien-sequel-sigourney-weaver/ (http://collider.com/alien-sequel-sigourney-weaver/)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 08:19:49 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 08:19:49 PM
Well at the very least I hope they just scrap the later films instead of trying to come up with some ludicrous work-around.
Although what does this mean for the series of novels they're currently working on that are definitively set post-Resurrection?
EDIT: Mind you, with that "genetic sibling" stuff he was saying, a small part of me wonders if he was just talking tonally...
Although what does this mean for the series of novels they're currently working on that are definitively set post-Resurrection?
EDIT: Mind you, with that "genetic sibling" stuff he was saying, a small part of me wonders if he was just talking tonally...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:24:12 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:24:12 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 08:19:49 PMThe whole dream speculation thing was born from fans -- filmmakers would never be that deep in a retcon. They'll just ignore them.
Well at the very least I hope they just scrap the later films instead of trying to come up with some ludicrous work-around.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 08:19:49 PMAlthough what does this mean for the series of novels they're currently working on that are definitively set post-Resurrection?The same thing that happened to Aliens Book I & II when Alien3 was released.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 08:24:59 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 08:24:59 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:24:12 PMThe same thing that happened to Aliens Book I & II when Alien3 was released.
True. But these novels have yet to be released and two of them haven't even been written yet.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:25:44 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:25:44 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:24:12 PM
The whole dream speculation thing was born from fans -- filmmakers would never be that deep in a retcon. They'll just ignore them.
Like how H20 ignored Halloween IV to VI?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 08:27:13 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 08:27:13 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 07:54:46 PM
R.I.P Alien³ & Alien: Resurection :'(
No, no , no. Not at all. A3 and AR will live on as excellent non-canon tales in the Alien world. Best of all... YOU STILL GET TO KEEP YOUR COPIES OF THE FILMS!!!!!! WICKED!! It's the best of both worlds...
Ok, this is officially the best thing that's happened in the Alien universe since James Cameron's Aliens film.
RETCON BABY!!! FULL RETCON!!! YEAH MAMA! That's what I'm talkin' about. Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 08:28:51 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 08:28:51 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 25, 2015, 08:19:32 PM
Just found this interview with Weaver from June of last year. So that's a few months after Chappie wrapped.
It's interesting because she's most likely referring to Blomkamp and obviously wants to continue and end the story from the perspective of Ripley 8.
She did say in the interview "floating around in space", though. Ripley 8 certainly wasn't, but Ellen certainly was (well, at the end of 2).
They showed a lot of Hicks in that interview, man - and I know it was all done by Sky Movies, but still...
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:24:12 PM
The whole dream speculation thing was born from fans -- filmmakers would never be that deep in a retcon. They'll just ignore them.
It's pretty clear Blomkamp IS a fan though. He was weaned on this shit, just like us.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 08:27:13 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 07:54:46 PM
R.I.P Alien³ & Alien: Resurection :'(
No, no , no. Not at all. A3 and AR will live on as excellent non-canon tales in the Alien world. Best of all... YOU STILL GET TO KEEP YOUR COPIES OF THE FILMS!!!!!! WICKED!! It's the best of both worlds...
Ok, this is officially the best thing that's happened in the Alien universe since James Cameron's Aliens film.
RETCON BABY!!! FULL RETCON!!! YEAH MAMA! That's what I'm talkin' about. Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...
Can I cuddle you, PO. I need a man-hug.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:30:11 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:30:11 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:25:44 PMNot particularly familiar with that. It's the same thing Superman Returns did -- starts after Superman II, ignores Superman III and IV.Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:24:12 PM
The whole dream speculation thing was born from fans -- filmmakers would never be that deep in a retcon. They'll just ignore them.
Like how H20 ignored Halloween IV to VI?
And yeah, this does not mean Alien3 and Alien: Resurrection get wiped out of existence. I love both films and I'll continue popping them in my Blu-Ray player from time to time, and watch them fondly.
Quote from: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 08:28:51 PMYeah but somehow I think he has a little common sense in that brain of his -- he'd never do some silly shit like that. Period.
It's pretty clear Blomkamp IS a fan though. He was weaned on this shit, just like us.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:30:44 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:30:44 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 08:27:13 PM
RETCON BABY!!! FULL RETCON!!! YEAH MAMA! That's what I'm talkin' about. Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...
You know, that's not exactly fair to those of us who liked Alien 3 by either seeing the Assembly Cut or the Workprint, and perhaps view the movie as an under-appreciated masterpiece. I swear, Alien 3 gets a lot of undeserved hate.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 08:31:18 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 08:31:18 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:25:44 PMQuote from: Omegazilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:24:12 PM
The whole dream speculation thing was born from fans -- filmmakers would never be that deep in a retcon. They'll just ignore them.
Like how H20 ignored Halloween IV to VI?
Exactly! And you still get to have all of these Halloween movies in the same boxed set! Isn't that awesome? We live in a really cool age. We get to see our favorite stories on film and we also get to see some really awesome alternate universe stories as well.. ON FILM. So cool!!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 08:32:26 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 08:32:26 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:30:11 PM
-- he'd never do some silly shit like that. Period.
That remains to be seen - though, there are questions to be asked (genetic sibling!)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:32:57 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:32:57 PM
What's this about a genetic sibling?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:33:47 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:33:47 PM
I sincerely doubt he'd bother, really. It could be an inside joke, maybe, but nothing beyond that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 08:35:45 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 08:35:45 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:30:44 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 08:27:13 PM
RETCON BABY!!! FULL RETCON!!! YEAH MAMA! That's what I'm talkin' about. Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...
You know, that's not exactly fair to those of us who liked Alien 3 by either seeing the Assembly Cut or the Workprint, and perhaps view the movie as an under-appreciated masterpiece. I swear, Alien 3 gets a lot of undeserved hate.
Alien 3 is a masterpiece! I always underscore this. It's just a masterpiece as a stand alone movie, not in the context of what went before. Believe me, I will still watch Alien 3 lots of times. But it has to go from the canon so we can have that continuation of Aliens countless fans have been wanting for 30 years. It's time to uncork the Champagne! One express elevator to retcon! Goin' down! WHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 25, 2015, 08:36:08 PM
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 25, 2015, 08:36:08 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:25:44 PMQuote from: Omegazilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:24:12 PM
The whole dream speculation thing was born from fans -- filmmakers would never be that deep in a retcon. They'll just ignore them.
Like how H20 ignored Halloween IV to VI?
The early drafts of the H20 script featured scenes that acknowledged the events of 4-6. The original title was Halloween: The Revenge of Laurie Strode, but Jamie Lee Curtis later demanded they remove all references to 4-6. Moustapha Akkad, before he died, mentioned a script that would tie all the films together and hinted that Jamie (Danielle Harris) might've been Josh Hartnett's twin sister. Sadly, that script never saw the light of day due to his untimely death. I would've LOVED to see that happen. Sadly, we got Rob Zombie's reboot instead.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 08:38:06 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 08:38:06 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:32:57 PM
What's this about a genetic sibling?
He said in the interview about it being a "genetic sibling" to Aliens.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:33:47 PM
I sincerely doubt he'd bother, really. It could be an inside joke, maybe, but nothing beyond that.
I sincerely doubt they'll Superman Returns it, but all we have are opinions at the moment, man. Agree to disagree?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 08:41:01 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 08:41:01 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 07:49:48 PM
Neill and Siggy spill all the beans!*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8os-IfZhg#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8os-IfZhg#ws)
This is what I call a perfect timming!
*well, not really...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 25, 2015, 08:57:05 PM
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 25, 2015, 08:57:05 PM
Damn, it sounds like Alien 3 and Resurrection will be ignored based on this interview. If it's going to happen, there's really nothing we can do. I know a lot of you, myself included, wanted a direct sequel to Alien: Resurrection, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
I wish they could find a way to make the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection tied in. There are 3 possible retcons and they chose the worst option. The three are:
1) Flat out ignoring Alien 3 and Resurrection (which they seemingly chose).
2) Make Alien 3 - Resurrection a hypersleep dream.
3) Pull a Days of Future Past thing so Alien 3 isn't entirely pointless and just start fresh after Aliens.
I wish they could find a way to make the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection tied in. There are 3 possible retcons and they chose the worst option. The three are:
1) Flat out ignoring Alien 3 and Resurrection (which they seemingly chose).
2) Make Alien 3 - Resurrection a hypersleep dream.
3) Pull a Days of Future Past thing so Alien 3 isn't entirely pointless and just start fresh after Aliens.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:07 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:07 PM
I don't want a direct sequel to A:R( even tho I hate that movie), but I also don't want a direct sequel to ALIENS (even tho I love that movie). So, I truly don't know what I want. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:53 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:53 PM
The thing with ALIEN canon is, that a lot of fans of this franchise seem to create in their own minds what THEY consider canon. Some (like myself) dont consider Resurrection canon. Others dont like to consider Alien 3 canon, and some dont consider anything after the original Alien canon.
So I dont see why this movie cant just ignore A3/A:R and make a different story after ALIENS that goes in a new (and potentially better) direction. The canon can sort of "split" into 2 separate versions after ALIENS. 1 being the A3 direction, the other being this new movie. No time travel BS, or even a "retcon", just an ALTERNATE version.
So I dont see why this movie cant just ignore A3/A:R and make a different story after ALIENS that goes in a new (and potentially better) direction. The canon can sort of "split" into 2 separate versions after ALIENS. 1 being the A3 direction, the other being this new movie. No time travel BS, or even a "retcon", just an ALTERNATE version.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Feb 25, 2015, 09:03:25 PM
Post by: T Dog on Feb 25, 2015, 09:03:25 PM
Ok......definitely sounds like they are doing a retcon, there I said it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 09:04:06 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 09:04:06 PM
And the timeline is even further broken assuming this is a retcon! Ha ha ha!
Seriously, I wonder how the folks at Xenopedia are gonna handle that... I might join up on that site to discuss the timeline page.
Seriously, I wonder how the folks at Xenopedia are gonna handle that... I might join up on that site to discuss the timeline page.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PM
Maybe this is why SM has thrown in the towel?
Unless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.
Unless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:51 PM
Post by: T Dog on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:51 PM
Personally - I'd rather they just use Ripley 8 and see how she's evolved and finish the story that way.
I like A:3 despite it's flaws but I just think it's a bit shitty to make dead characters alive again just to please the fans, we already swallowed that tough pill years ago and the series has already been f**ked with enough with AVP and Prometheus.
I like A:3 despite it's flaws but I just think it's a bit shitty to make dead characters alive again just to please the fans, we already swallowed that tough pill years ago and the series has already been f**ked with enough with AVP and Prometheus.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 09:11:37 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 09:11:37 PM
ANyway, I just hope for one thing, R-RATING.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 25, 2015, 09:14:06 PM
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 25, 2015, 09:14:06 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:53 PM
The thing with ALIEN canon is, that a lot of fans of this franchise seem to create in their own minds what THEY consider canon. Some (like myself) dont consider Resurrection canon. Others dont like to consider Alien 3 canon, and some dont consider anything after the original Alien canon.
So I dont see why this movie cant just ignore A3/A:R and make a different story after ALIENS that goes in a new (and potentially better) direction. The canon can sort of "split" into 2 separate versions after ALIENS. 1 being the A3 direction, the other being this new movie. No time travel BS, or even a "retcon", just an ALTERNATE version.
But people like that are just in denial. ;D Alien 3 IS canon. Flat out ignoring it and making an "alternate" storyline is just as much of a slap in the face and as lazy as a time travel or a dream gimmick, but at least time travel doesn't flat out ignore it. You don't just one day, 30 years later, tell fans: "Hey, all those Alien sequels we made within the last 30 years..well, they don't count anymore. Here's your new Alien 3." WTF?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 09:14:16 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 09:14:16 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:51 PM
Personally - I'd rather they just use Ripley 8 and see how she's evolved and finish the story that way.
I like A:3 despite it's flaws but I just think it's a bit shitty to make dead characters alive again just to please the fans, we already swallowed that tough pill years ago and the series has already been f**ked with enough with AVP and Prometheus.
+1
Anyway, what Neill said does not mean 100% that is Alien 3.2 necessarily.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 09:17:04 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 09:17:04 PM
Hey yeah, where is SM? I figured he'd be all over this...
Ok, I just had a brain-storm along this idea of 2 separate canons. Why not have the Core Alien canon which would be Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, and the new Alien 5, and then have a parallel Alien VS Predator canon which is basically everything Predator, everything AVP, and Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and AR? It kind of makes sense. The Bishop character we see in Alien 3 is made to look like the original Charles Weyland character in the first AVP film? Any takers?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PM
Maybe this is why SM has thrown in the towel?
Unless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:53 PM
The thing with ALIEN canon is, that a lot of fans of this franchise seem to create in their own minds what THEY consider canon. Some (like myself) dont consider Resurrection canon. Others dont like to consider Alien 3 canon, and some dont consider anything after the original Alien canon.
So I dont see why this movie cant just ignore A3/A:R and make a different story after ALIENS that goes in a new (and potentially better) direction. The canon can sort of "split" into 2 separate versions after ALIENS. 1 being the A3 direction, the other being this new movie. No time travel BS, or even a "retcon", just an ALTERNATE version.
Ok, I just had a brain-storm along this idea of 2 separate canons. Why not have the Core Alien canon which would be Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, and the new Alien 5, and then have a parallel Alien VS Predator canon which is basically everything Predator, everything AVP, and Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and AR? It kind of makes sense. The Bishop character we see in Alien 3 is made to look like the original Charles Weyland character in the first AVP film? Any takers?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Feb 25, 2015, 09:28:40 PM
Post by: T Dog on Feb 25, 2015, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 09:17:04 PM
Hey yeah, where is SM? I figured he'd be all over this...Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PM
Maybe this is why SM has thrown in the towel?
Unless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:53 PM
The thing with ALIEN canon is, that a lot of fans of this franchise seem to create in their own minds what THEY consider canon. Some (like myself) dont consider Resurrection canon. Others dont like to consider Alien 3 canon, and some dont consider anything after the original Alien canon.
So I dont see why this movie cant just ignore A3/A:R and make a different story after ALIENS that goes in a new (and potentially better) direction. The canon can sort of "split" into 2 separate versions after ALIENS. 1 being the A3 direction, the other being this new movie. No time travel BS, or even a "retcon", just an ALTERNATE version.
Ok, I just had a brain-storm along this idea of 2 separate canons. Why not have the Core Alien canon which would be Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, and the new Alien 5, and then have a parallel Alien VS Predator canon which is basically everything Predator, everything AVP, and Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and AR? It kind of makes sense. The Bishop character we see in Alien 3 is made to look like the original Charles Weyland character in the first AVP film? Any takers?
No. I think they should just use Ripley 8 and finish the god damn story and as much as I love her - don't bring back Sigourney Weaver again.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 09:33:00 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 09:33:00 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 09:17:04 PM
Hey yeah, where is SM? I figured he'd be all over this...Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PM
Maybe this is why SM has thrown in the towel?
Unless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:53 PM
The thing with ALIEN canon is, that a lot of fans of this franchise seem to create in their own minds what THEY consider canon. Some (like myself) dont consider Resurrection canon. Others dont like to consider Alien 3 canon, and some dont consider anything after the original Alien canon.
So I dont see why this movie cant just ignore A3/A:R and make a different story after ALIENS that goes in a new (and potentially better) direction. The canon can sort of "split" into 2 separate versions after ALIENS. 1 being the A3 direction, the other being this new movie. No time travel BS, or even a "retcon", just an ALTERNATE version.
Ok, I just had a brain-storm along this idea of 2 separate canons. Why not have the Core Alien canon which would be Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, and the new Alien 5, and then have a parallel Alien VS Predator canon which is basically everything Predator, everything AVP, and Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and AR? It kind of makes sense. The Bishop character we see in Alien 3 is made to look like the original Charles Weyland character in the first AVP film? Any takers?
Can we have a third canon with ONLY Prometheus? For me AVP and AVP R don't exist.
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 25, 2015, 09:28:40 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 09:17:04 PM
Hey yeah, where is SM? I figured he'd be all over this...Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PM
Maybe this is why SM has thrown in the towel?
Unless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:53 PM
The thing with ALIEN canon is, that a lot of fans of this franchise seem to create in their own minds what THEY consider canon. Some (like myself) dont consider Resurrection canon. Others dont like to consider Alien 3 canon, and some dont consider anything after the original Alien canon.
So I dont see why this movie cant just ignore A3/A:R and make a different story after ALIENS that goes in a new (and potentially better) direction. The canon can sort of "split" into 2 separate versions after ALIENS. 1 being the A3 direction, the other being this new movie. No time travel BS, or even a "retcon", just an ALTERNATE version.
Ok, I just had a brain-storm along this idea of 2 separate canons. Why not have the Core Alien canon which would be Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, and the new Alien 5, and then have a parallel Alien VS Predator canon which is basically everything Predator, everything AVP, and Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and AR? It kind of makes sense. The Bishop character we see in Alien 3 is made to look like the original Charles Weyland character in the first AVP film? Any takers?
No. I think they should just use Ripley 8 and finish the god damn story and as much as I love her - don't bring back Sigourney Weaver again.
How they will finish Ripley 8 without Sigourney?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:35:42 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:35:42 PM
no ripley 8 please for the love of god...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 09:41:03 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PMUnless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.
:laugh: I hope you aren't referring to me. Because it's not even a question that I'm a completely useless and uninformed source.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 09:49:15 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PM
Maybe this is why SM has thrown in the towel?
Unless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.
SM is too busy as an Executive Consultant to bother with us any more.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:52:25 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:52:25 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 09:41:03 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PMUnless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.
:laugh: I hope you aren't referring to me. Because it's not even a question that I'm a completely useless and uninformed source.
I think it was our mutual theory. Local Trouble seems to have taken it as gospel though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 09:54:24 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 09:54:24 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:35:42 PMRight?
no ripley 8 please for the love of god...
And Omegazilla you are speaking of Blomkamp as if you know him personally. You don't think he'll do it, but some of us think he will. We'll just have to wait for more info.
But with this and the concept art a retcon is at least possible.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 09:55:15 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 09:55:15 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:52:25 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 09:41:03 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PMUnless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.
:laugh: I hope you aren't referring to me. Because it's not even a question that I'm a completely useless and uninformed source.
I think it was our mutual theory. Local Trouble seems to have taken it as gospel though.
It's the only logical reason for his prolonged absence.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 25, 2015, 09:55:59 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 25, 2015, 09:55:59 PM
Local Trouble's bioelectric brain frequencies are a mystery even in the most remote corners of the Galaxy.
(J-k man, love ya)
(J-k man, love ya)
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 09:54:24 PMI'm not. But tell me of a single reboot that used this whole "dream" thing. It's a fan theory -- nothing more or less -- there's no reason why the filmmakers would use it. If they reboot, they reboot -- end.
And Omegazilla you are speaking of Blomkamp as if you know him personally. You don't think he'll do it, but some of us think he will. We'll just have to wait for more info.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 25, 2015, 10:07:13 PM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 25, 2015, 10:07:13 PM
Calm down guys. All neil blomkamp is saying is that his film will be more like Alien and Aliens in terms of tone and themes then Alien 3 and Resurrection. Thats what he means by "genetic sibling".
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 10:30:57 PM
Post by: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 10:30:57 PM
oh i would love to see the new Alien3 movie starting as killing off Hicks and Newt yet again :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 10:39:43 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 10:39:43 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 10:30:57 PM
oh i would love to see the new Alien3 movie starting as killing off Hicks and Newt yet again :D
;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 25, 2015, 10:46:01 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 25, 2015, 10:46:01 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 10:30:57 PM
oh i would love to see the new Alien3 movie starting as killing off Hicks and Newt yet again :D
Hope not but that would make Blomkamp the ultimate troll... :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 10:55:35 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 10:55:35 PM
Will Blumpkin at least getting the f**king cryotubes right?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 11:00:10 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 11:00:10 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 25, 2015, 10:07:13 PMHe also says it's "Alien, Aliens, and this movie" though.
Calm down guys. All neil blomkamp is saying is that his film will be more like Alien and Aliens in terms of tone and themes then Alien 3 and Resurrection. Thats what he means by "genetic sibling".
Omega yeah it's all conjecture so I can't claim he will follow the dream path, but I think he is capable of it. You flat out say he won't do it though. I understand the theory was pretty much created by fans but you sound so sure.
You might be right of course but so little is known right now yet you sound so confident.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 11:11:06 PM
Post by: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 11:11:06 PM
replying to the original scified link back in autumn
who is the dude in the middle?
who is the dude in the middle?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 25, 2015, 11:14:03 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 25, 2015, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 10:30:57 PMYea and he could use their older selves and make it like their cryotubes were tampered with. Making them appear as dried prunes.
oh i would love to see the new Alien3 movie starting as killing off Hicks and Newt yet again :D
No, wait, I know what they could do to really piss off everyone. Have an alien explode out of Newts chest!
I think that's Wierzbowski? :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 11:17:46 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 11:17:46 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 25, 2015, 11:14:03 PMI think that's Wierzbowski?
Uh, I think you mean Bowski. As in "Where's Bowski?! Where's Bowski?!"
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 25, 2015, 11:20:13 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 25, 2015, 11:20:13 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 11:17:46 PMOh damn I misspelled that didn't I. Did they ever find the dead body? :laugh:Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 25, 2015, 11:14:03 PMI think that's Wierzbowski?
Uh, I think you mean Bowski. As in "Where's Bowski?! Where's Bowski?!"
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 25, 2015, 11:49:47 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 25, 2015, 11:49:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP2A-TZl-Hc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP2A-TZl-Hc#ws)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 25, 2015, 11:59:00 PM
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 25, 2015, 11:59:00 PM
This film is already a f**king joke.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 25, 2015, 11:59:39 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 25, 2015, 11:59:39 PM
Aye, Hicks is now... a retcon marine. 8) http://cow.org/csi/ (http://cow.org/csi/)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2015, 12:00:15 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2015, 12:00:15 AM
The new AvP will be Aliens vs Prawns.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 12:09:53 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 12:09:53 AM
Alien vs Retcon.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 12:15:01 AM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 12:15:01 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 25, 2015, 11:59:00 PM
This film is already a f**king joke.
Then it'll be in good company with A3 and Resurrection... ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 12:18:28 AM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 12:18:28 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 12:15:01 AMShots fired!Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 25, 2015, 11:59:00 PM
This film is already a f**king joke.
Then it'll be in good company with A3 and Resurrection... ;)
I don't think A3 is a bad movie though just disappointing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Feb 26, 2015, 12:21:53 AM
Post by: T Dog on Feb 26, 2015, 12:21:53 AM
They should just bring back Hudson as well because sure he was only pulled under the floor. He probably escaped the Alien nest and made it off planet before it exploded and was then captured by the company and then put in a Demolition Man styled cryogenic freeze prison for years but now he's out and ready for A5.
All joking aside. If they really want to keep Hicks alive couldn't they just simply change aspects of Alien 3 and yet let the overall story play out the same way. So just say that somehow Hicks was out of action for that whole movie and then had his own story after it's events?
I think I could live more with them changing aspects of the story but not disregarding two entire films, that's just too much.
Oh god this is all driving me insane!!!!!
No, just use Ripley 8, finish her story from then, Hicks is dead.
Edit Over
All joking aside. If they really want to keep Hicks alive couldn't they just simply change aspects of Alien 3 and yet let the overall story play out the same way. So just say that somehow Hicks was out of action for that whole movie and then had his own story after it's events?
I think I could live more with them changing aspects of the story but not disregarding two entire films, that's just too much.
Oh god this is all driving me insane!!!!!
No, just use Ripley 8, finish her story from then, Hicks is dead.
Edit Over
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 26, 2015, 12:50:24 AM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 26, 2015, 12:50:24 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 26, 2015, 12:21:53 AM
They should just bring back Hudson as well because sure he was only pulled under the floor. He probably escaped the Alien nest and made it off planet before it exploded and was then captured by the company and then put in a Demolition Man styled cryogenic freeze prison for years but now he's out and ready for A5.
All joking aside. If they really want to keep Hicks alive couldn't they just simply change aspects of Alien 3 and yet let the overall story play out the same way. So just say that somehow Hicks was out of action for that whole movie and then had his own story after it's events?
I think I could live more with them changing aspects of the story but not disregarding two entire films, that's just too much.
You can disregard a movie but how do you disregards part of it without making it again? Would be really confusing and, well, dumb.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 25, 2015, 11:59:00 PM
This film is already a f**king joke.
Nothing with an ALIEN in it is a joke! I mean, besides A:R, AVP, AVPR, Prometheus...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Feb 26, 2015, 12:55:17 AM
Post by: T Dog on Feb 26, 2015, 12:55:17 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 26, 2015, 12:50:24 AMQuote from: tmjhur on Feb 26, 2015, 12:21:53 AM
They should just bring back Hudson as well because sure he was only pulled under the floor. He probably escaped the Alien nest and made it off planet before it exploded and was then captured by the company and then put in a Demolition Man styled cryogenic freeze prison for years but now he's out and ready for A5.
All joking aside. If they really want to keep Hicks alive couldn't they just simply change aspects of Alien 3 and yet let the overall story play out the same way. So just say that somehow Hicks was out of action for that whole movie and then had his own story after it's events?
I think I could live more with them changing aspects of the story but not disregarding two entire films, that's just too much.
You can disregard a movie but how do you disregards part of it without making it again? Would be really confusing and, well, dumb.Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 25, 2015, 11:59:00 PM
This film is already a f**king joke.
Nothing with an ALIEN in it is a joke! I mean, besides A:R, AVP, AVPR, Prometheus...
You just take elements of the story that you want keep and that's that. For example you just say that Ripley died at the end of 3 but other than that the other elements are up for altering.
Blomkamp does say he wants it to "feel like" the genetic sibling. Not actually be a retcon anyway.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 26, 2015, 01:00:26 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 26, 2015, 01:00:26 AM
So when are we gonna get new reissues of 3 and Rez with the character names dubbed over with new ones?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 01:08:24 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 01:08:24 AM
In space, no one can hear you... retcon!
;D
;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 01:42:35 AM
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 01:42:35 AM
If he pulls a Days of Future Past thing.....
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gilfryd on Feb 26, 2015, 01:49:19 AM
Post by: Gilfryd on Feb 26, 2015, 01:49:19 AM
I don't care about ignoring 3 and Res as long as the new movie builds on Aliens like Aliens built on Alien. It should really go in a bold new direction and not be lost in nostalgia like Superman Returns. If it's just a Scott/ Cameron love letter with nothing new to offer we're screwed. This needs to be the movie Prometheus should have been.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 02:01:32 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 02:01:32 AM
Ripley 8 could simply use her genetic memory powers to send her consciousness back into the body of her original and prevent the rogue xeno from causing the wreck of the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 02:28:28 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 02:28:28 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 02:01:32 AM
Ripley 8 could simply use her genetic memory powers to send her consciousness back into the body of her original and prevent the rogue xeno from causing the wreck of the Sulaco.
That's an insane and kinda cool idea.
I have no idea how they could make that work believably, but Hell, it's still an interesting and outlandish idea.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2015, 02:32:30 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2015, 02:32:30 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 02:01:32 AM
Ripley 8 could simply use her genetic memory powers to send her consciousness back into the body of her original and prevent the rogue xeno from causing the wreck of the Sulaco.
Which cryotubes would they use?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 02:40:00 AM
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 02:40:00 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 02:01:32 AM
Ripley 8 could simply use her genetic memory powers to send her consciousness back into the body of her original and prevent the rogue xeno from causing the wreck of the Sulaco.
that or how's this for a batshit idea?
___________________________
SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE - SPACE
Silent and endless. The stars shine like the love of God...cold and remote. Against them drifts a tiny chip of technology.
CLOSER: It is the BETTY, drifting lifelessly. Without interior or running lights, it seems devoid of life. The ships computer comes to life. The screen flashes PROXIMITY ALERT and the coordinates of the intruder. The PING of a ranging RADAR grows louder, closer. A shadow engulfs The Betty. The tiny ship is put into perspective as a MASSIVE DARK HULL descends toward it.
There we go. Open up Alien 5 in a eerily similar way that parallels Aliens. Plot points:
- A deep salvage team finds the Betty. In it, a passed out Ripley 8 and a dead Johner. Vriess and Call are M.I.A. The salvage team is surprised to see it is Ellen Ripley. HINT: "Didn't a salvage team find her a few months ago?" Total coincidence. A Ripley is found floating in space again.
- Cut to, Ripley 8 awakening in setting similar to Gateway Station. She's immediately questioned by a Corporate Suit. "You were on a, unknown, unregistered ship called The Betty. How did you get there? Why was the colony on LV-426 destroyed?"
- FLASHBACK w/ Voiceover. A confused Ripley 8 tells a story that takes place not long after the events of Alien:Resurrection. She speaks of finding the Alien's home planet--something she's longed for since the Alien DNA in her yearns to find its origin. In her mind, it's like some sort of calling. Johner, Call and Vriess decide to accompany her with the intent to obliterate the planet. Based on records, possible coordinates and files Call had previously hijacked from the mainframe, they set out on a mission to where the Alien planet might be. Call and Vriess take a separate ship, while Ripley and Johner follow in the Betty (as a precaution and to have a second ship). Ripley mentions that they are attacked by a strange spacecraft (a derelict) which leads to a chase. During the pursuit, they encounter a wormhole, almost as if the derelict is pushing them towards it. In a realistic, INTERSTELLAR sort of way, The Betty is sucked into the vortex and teleported through to the other end AND through TIME. Johner does not survive.
- FLASHBACK TO PRESENT. The Corporate Suit is baffled by Ripley's story. He reveals to her that his name is Michael Bishop, that it is July 28th, 2179 and that they are on the Patna, along with a few military escorts, and heading intercept the USS Sulaco. He believes she's deserted her mission on LV426 and that they received satellite imagery of Hadley's Hope being destroyed. A Medical Officer, pulls Michael aside to talk to him about his strange, test result findings while examining Ripley 8. Meanwhile, the ship gets to the Sulaco and, to the crew's amazement, they find the real Ripley, Hicks, Bishop and Newt in hypersleep--the battle with the Queen has already happened but the egg has not hatched....just yet. While exploring the ship, one of the military escorts finds the egg, but before he can alert anyone, he gets facehugged. Meanwhile, the others awaken the real Ripley from hypersleep. Ripley meets Ripley 8 and a new adventure begins.
Boom, new timeline started. Alien 3 and 4 happened, but we're getting a sequel that acts as a new Alien 3, sort of. There's cool potential here. Two Ripleys, a dual performance by Weaver (with some CGI de-aging for the real Ripley of course). Cool scenes of Ripley-8 meeting Newt, which could be pretty haunting of executed correctly. With Ripley 8's knowledge of the Alien Homeworld whereabouts, they set out on a new mission. Ripley-8 can even be killed off within the first half of the movie since so many seem to dislike the character.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 02:41:10 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 02:41:10 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 09:17:04 PM
Ok, I just had a brain-storm along this idea of 2 separate canons. Why not have the Core Alien canon which would be Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, and the new Alien 5, and then have a parallel Alien VS Predator canon which is basically everything Predator, everything AVP, and Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and AR? It kind of makes sense. The Bishop character we see in Alien 3 is made to look like the original Charles Weyland character in the first AVP film? Any takers?
I would support this. Infact, there is a multiverse thread which sort of deals with this already. You can read it over at:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=49750.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=49750.0)
So you know I would support the two canons.. buuuuut.. the fandom itself doesn't support this for whatever lame reason.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 03:24:30 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 03:24:30 AM
Dudes, I was just kidding.
Cloning a dead woman who fell to lava and the clone coming out with an alien foetus inside, now that's a little unrealistic, lol.
Cloning a dead woman who fell to lava and the clone coming out with an alien foetus inside, now that's a little unrealistic, lol.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 03:28:22 AM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 03:28:22 AM
Quote from: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 02:40:00 AMf**k it I'm down :laugh: Days of Future Xenos, as Magegg said.Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 02:01:32 AM
Ripley 8 could simply use her genetic memory powers to send her consciousness back into the body of her original and prevent the rogue xeno from causing the wreck of the Sulaco.
that or how's this for a batshit idea?
___________________________
SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE - SPACE
Silent and endless. The stars shine like the love of God...cold and remote. Against them drifts a tiny chip of technology.
CLOSER: It is the BETTY, drifting lifelessly. Without interior or running lights, it seems devoid of life. The ships computer comes to life. The screen flashes PROXIMITY ALERT and the coordinates of the intruder. The PING of a ranging RADAR grows louder, closer. A shadow engulfs The Betty. The tiny ship is put into perspective as a MASSIVE DARK HULL descends toward it.
There we go. Open up Alien 5 in a eerily similar way that parallels Aliens. Plot points:
- A deep salvage team finds the Betty. In it, a passed out Ripley 8 and a dead Johner. Vriess and Call are M.I.A. The salvage team is surprised to see it is Ellen Ripley. HINT: "Didn't a salvage team find her a few months ago?" Total coincidence. A Ripley is found floating in space again.
- Cut to, Ripley 8 awakening in setting similar to Gateway Station. She's immediately questioned by a Corporate Suit. "You were on a, unknown, unregistered ship called The Betty. How did you get there? Why was the colony on LV-426 destroyed?"
- FLASHBACK w/ Voiceover. A confused Ripley 8 tells a story that takes place not long after the events of Alien:Resurrection. She speaks of finding the Alien's home planet--something she's longed for since the Alien DNA in her yearns to find its origin. In her mind, it's like some sort of calling. Johner, Call and Vriess decide to accompany her with the intent to obliterate the planet. Based on records, possible coordinates and files Call had previously hijacked from the mainframe, they set out on a mission to where the Alien planet might be. Call and Vriess take a separate ship, while Ripley and Johner follow in the Betty (as a precaution and to have a second ship). Ripley mentions that they are attacked by a strange spacecraft (a derelict) which leads to a chase. During the pursuit, they encounter a wormhole, almost as if the derelict is pushing them towards it. In a realistic, INTERSTELLAR sort of way, The Betty is sucked into the vortex and teleported through to the other end AND through TIME. Johner does not survive.
- FLASHBACK TO PRESENT. The Corporate Suit is baffled by Ripley's story. He reveals to her that his name is Michael Bishop, that it is July 28th, 2179 and that they are on the Patna, along with a few military escorts, and heading intercept the USS Sulaco. He believes she's deserted her mission on LV426 and that they received satellite imagery of Hadley's Hope being destroyed. A Medical Officer, pulls Michael aside to talk to him about his strange, test result findings while examining Ripley 8. Meanwhile, the ship gets to the Sulaco and, to the crew's amazement, they find the real Ripley, Hicks, Bishop and Newt in hypersleep--the battle with the Queen has already happened but the egg has not hatched....just yet. While exploring the ship, one of the military escorts finds the egg, but before he can alert anyone, he gets facehugged. Meanwhile, the others awaken the real Ripley from hypersleep. Ripley meets Ripley 8 and a new adventure begins.
Boom, new timeline started. Alien 3 and 4 happened, but we're getting a sequel that acts as a new Alien 3, sort of. There's cool potential here. Two Ripleys, a dual performance by Weaver (with some CGI de-aging for the real Ripley of course). Cool scenes of Ripley-8 meeting Newt, which could be pretty haunting of executed correctly. With Ripley 8's knowledge of the Alien Homeworld whereabouts, they set out on a new mission. Ripley-8 can even be killed off within the first half of the movie since so many seem to dislike the character.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
They're centering the film on a bullshit idea right off the bat. That being said, watching the interview through again and listening to Blomkamp's words it sounds as though this isn't going to be a sequel that writes out A3 and Red. His words genetic sibling makes me presume that it will the evolve the franchise like Aliens did from Alien. Two films with different tones and Alien 5 will be the next step. Alien 3 was More offa step back to Alien. If this is right then I will be excited. Hope its clarified properly soon.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 04:34:23 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 04:34:23 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
They're centering the film on a bullshit idea right off the bat.
No more than Alien 3 and Resurrection themselves.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 04:40:44 AM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 04:40:44 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
That being said, watching the interview through again and listening to Blomkamp's words it sounds as though this isn't going to be a sequel that writes out A3 and Red. His words genetic sibling makes me presume that it will the evolve the franchise like Aliens did from Alien. Two films with different tones and Alien 5 will be the next step.
Yeah man I feel the same way. I am confident that Weaver would never star in a movie that retcons Alien 3 & Resurrection. She likes those movies too much for that to happen. The "genetic sibling" comment is similar to how Ridley Scott said that the last 10 min of Prometheus will have "Alien DNA". It basically means that it will share the same spirit and tone.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 04:41:20 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 04:41:20 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 04:34:23 AMQuote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
They're centering the film on a bullshit idea right off the bat.
No more than Alien 3 and Resurrection themselves.
In fact we may finally be seeing a sensible direction for the franchise. It literally is as if a bad dream were coming to an end.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 04:42:50 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 04:42:50 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 04:40:44 AMQuote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
That being said, watching the interview through again and listening to Blomkamp's words it sounds as though this isn't going to be a sequel that writes out A3 and Red. His words genetic sibling makes me presume that it will the evolve the franchise like Aliens did from Alien. Two films with different tones and Alien 5 will be the next step.
Yeah man I feel the same way. I am confident that Weaver would never star in a movie that retcons Alien 3 & Resurrection. She likes those movies too much for that to happen. The "genetic sibling" comment is similar to how Ridley Scott said that the last 10 min of Prometheus will have "Alien DNA". It basically means that it will share the same spirit and tone.
And Sigourney mentioned Ripley floating in space.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:44:33 AM
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:44:33 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 04:34:23 AMQuote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
They're centering the film on a bullshit idea right off the bat.
No more than Alien 3 and Resurrection themselves.
Rez definitely. Alien definitely not. Alien 3 was a fitting end to Ripley saga. People are just pissed that it didn't do the same for two side characters from Aliens.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 04:42:50 AMQuote from: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 04:40:44 AMQuote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
That being said, watching the interview through again and listening to Blomkamp's words it sounds as though this isn't going to be a sequel that writes out A3 and Red. His words genetic sibling makes me presume that it will the evolve the franchise like Aliens did from Alien. Two films with different tones and Alien 5 will be the next step.
Yeah man I feel the same way. I am confident that Weaver would never star in a movie that retcons Alien 3 & Resurrection. She likes those movies too much for that to happen. The "genetic sibling" comment is similar to how Ridley Scott said that the last 10 min of Prometheus will have "Alien DNA". It basically means that it will share the same spirit and tone.
And Sigourney mentioned Ripley floating in space.
That it will be set between Alien and Aliens?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 04:47:33 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 04:47:33 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:44:33 AM
Rez definitely. Alien definitely not. Alien 3 was a fitting end to Ripley saga. People are just pissed that it didn't do the same for two side characters from Aliens.
You're ignoring what you said. Alien 3 and Resurrection both start from ridiculous points.
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
That it will be set between Alien and Aliens?
After Aliens.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 05:00:20 AM
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 05:00:20 AM
A mystery egg is not as stupid as reviving dead characters
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 06:58:22 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 06:58:22 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 25, 2015, 04:34:53 PM
I disagree, for reasons that have been very well explained here already. Newt especially has far more function than Morse or Johner. Remove Newt from Aliens and see what you're left with. Do the same for these other aforementioned characters and what happens? The movies lose a couple of one-liners.
Of course, I completely agree. Poor voice in attempting to use those characters. Newt is far more integral to the direction of Aliens than any of those. However, I still don't believe her or Hicks are integral to the over-all arc of the series. They did the job they needed to get Ripley to a different place in Aliens. Alien 3 was about proving how hopeless fighting the Alien was. It did its job.
And now I go back to reading the next 5 new pages since I went to sleep last night.
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 25, 2015, 10:07:13 PM
Calm down guys. All neil blomkamp is saying is that his film will be more like Alien and Aliens in terms of tone and themes then Alien 3 and Resurrection. Thats what he means by "genetic sibling".
That's what I'm taking from it so far. I think everyone is reading too much into it.
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 11:11:06 PM
replying to the original scified link back in autumn
who is the dude in the middle?
Just a fan, I imagine. Trevor Steedman looks nothing like that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 07:28:46 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 07:28:46 AM
The guys name is Dale
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Scree on Feb 26, 2015, 07:58:01 AM
Post by: Scree on Feb 26, 2015, 07:58:01 AM
It's gonna be great to see Ripley, Johner, Vriess and Call back again in action fighting WY/Wallmart on earth. They're even gonna clone Hicks back. We're gonna have a Space Jockey ship an Alien Queen and Ripley's Alien-DNA takes more and more over her. Whats not to like? Epic stuff, man. I'm excited.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 07:59:57 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 07:59:57 AM
Quote from: Scree on Feb 26, 2015, 07:58:01 AM
It's gonna be great to see Ripley, Johner, Vriess and Call back again in action fighting WY/Wallmart on earth. They're even gonna clone Hicks back. We're gonna have a Space Jockey ship an Alien Queen and Ripley's Alien-DNA takes more and more over her. Whats not to like? Epic stuff, man. I'm excited.
Uuuuuuuuh... You MIGHT wanna look in the other threads regarding the placement of this movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 26, 2015, 08:00:33 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 26, 2015, 08:00:33 AM
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 11:11:06 PM
replying to the original scified link back in autumn
who is the dude in the middle?
Shane Ritchie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 08:05:02 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 08:05:02 AM
Ah, so it is.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 08:40:42 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 08:40:42 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 06:58:22 AMThat's what I'm taking from it so far. I think everyone is reading too much into it.
That was my view as well. While he could well mean it is literally a new sequel to Aliens, I don't think it's as definitive as some people have made out (including the media now reporting it as fact based solely on those few less than specific words). I'll wait for an official statement from the studio.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 06:58:22 AMJust a fan, I imagine. Trevor Steedman looks nothing like that.
I love Steedie. He always come across as a really down to Earth guy. The list of movies he's been in is pretty impressive! Same goes for all the stunt guys who played minor characters in the series, actually.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 08:42:35 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 08:42:35 AM
We had a chat with him (and ADC) a few years back: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/podcasts/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/podcasts/)
Episode 6 if you haven't already had a listen: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/podcasts/avpg_pc_episode06.mp3 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/podcasts/avpg_pc_episode06.mp3)
Episode 6 if you haven't already had a listen: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/podcasts/avpg_pc_episode06.mp3 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/podcasts/avpg_pc_episode06.mp3)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 08:47:53 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 08:47:53 AM
Ah cool, I'll check those out.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 11:00:00 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 11:00:00 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 08:42:35 AMFor some reason I want to sit down and have tea...
We had a chat with him (and ADC) a few years back: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/podcasts/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/podcasts/)
Episode 6 if you haven't already had a listen: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/podcasts/avpg_pc_episode06.mp3 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/podcasts/avpg_pc_episode06.mp3)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 11:02:40 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 11:02:40 AM
Pft. I think we're somewhat different to your "typical" British voice. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 11:04:41 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 11:04:41 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 11:02:40 AMYou guys sound sweet and docile and was this why Steedman got no lines? :P
Pft. I think we're somewhat different to your "typical" British voice. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 11:22:46 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 11:22:46 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 11:04:41 AMYou guys sound sweet and docile and was this why Steedman got no lines? :P
The irony is he's actually a hard bastard. Read a great quote from one of the American Marine actors (can't remember exactly who) on Aliens saying he used to come up to them and squeeze their biceps before saying, "Pfft, more meat on a cat's cock."
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 11:41:09 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 11:41:09 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 11:22:46 AMHAHA :laugh:Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 11:04:41 AMYou guys sound sweet and docile and was this why Steedman got no lines? :P
The irony is he's actually a hard bastard. Read a great quote from one of the American Marine actors (can't remember exactly who) on Aliens saying he used to come up to them and squeeze their biceps before saying, "Pfft, more meat on a cat's cock."
Wait, was that why Jonesy had to stay home? :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: stroggificated on Feb 26, 2015, 12:05:06 PM
Post by: stroggificated on Feb 26, 2015, 12:05:06 PM
If there's really a retcon with Hicks and Ripley, they should be all over it. Give us a new version of Space Jockeys, too. In case they are even important.
Though i can see this old producer past his prime trying to prevent it. GTFO, George Lucas! >:(
Though i can see this old producer past his prime trying to prevent it. GTFO,
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 12:21:02 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 12:21:02 PM
Hey that is a legitimate gripe, if they feel fit to retcon a couple of movies then why not retcon the "engineer" space jockey from Prometheus? Of course this is why Ridley is going to produce the film. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 26, 2015, 12:25:26 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 26, 2015, 12:25:26 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2015, 02:32:30 AMQuote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 02:01:32 AM
Ripley 8 could simply use her genetic memory powers to send her consciousness back into the body of her original and prevent the rogue xeno from causing the wreck of the Sulaco.
Which cryotubes would they use?
I really think we ought to discuss the cryotube situation.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 02:59:57 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 02:59:57 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 25, 2015, 10:07:13 PM
Calm down guys. All neil blomkamp is saying is that his film will be more like Alien and Aliens in terms of tone and themes then Alien 3 and Resurrection. Thats what he means by "genetic sibling".
I hear you. I'm fine with that. The only thing I've furrowed my brow at isn't Neil, but rather Weaver. She said the films deserve a proper ending which makes me wonder why she bothered with A3 and Resurrection in the first place then.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:04:56 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:04:56 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 02:59:57 PMI hear you. I'm fine with that. The only think I've furrowed my brow at isn't Neil, but rather Weaver. She said the films deserve a proper ending which makes me wonder why she bothered with A3 and Resurrection in the first place then.
That's another reason I'm hesitant to jump on the "it's obviously a retcon" bandwagon. Ripley's story was finished. Ripley 8's was not. And we know Weaver has expressed an interest in continuing with Ripley 8 in the past.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 26, 2015, 03:10:34 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 26, 2015, 03:10:34 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:04:56 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 02:59:57 PMI hear you. I'm fine with that. The only think I've furrowed my brow at isn't Neil, but rather Weaver. She said the films deserve a proper ending which makes me wonder why she bothered with A3 and Resurrection in the first place then.
That's another reason I'm hesitant to jump on the "it's obviously a retcon" bandwagon. Ripley's story was finished. Ripley 8's was not. And we know Weaver has expressed an interest in continuing with Ripley 8 in the past.
It's strange (or maybe she's forgotten) but she talks about Ripley being left in space; but Ripley 8 returned to Earth at A:R'S end (or arse end). Sigourney's said repeatedly that she didn't want to do Ripley or Aliens on Earth, so maybe she's likewise open to revising the character's story.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 03:18:07 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 03:18:07 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:04:56 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 02:59:57 PMI hear you. I'm fine with that. The only think I've furrowed my brow at isn't Neil, but rather Weaver. She said the films deserve a proper ending which makes me wonder why she bothered with A3 and Resurrection in the first place then.
That's another reason I'm hesitant to jump on the "it's obviously a retcon" bandwagon. Ripley's story was finished. Ripley 8's was not. And we know Weaver has expressed an interest in continuing with Ripley 8 in the past.
Well, who knows. They did magic once with A3, they might do it again.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:27:20 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:27:20 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 26, 2015, 03:10:34 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:04:56 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 02:59:57 PMI hear you. I'm fine with that. The only think I've furrowed my brow at isn't Neil, but rather Weaver. She said the films deserve a proper ending which makes me wonder why she bothered with A3 and Resurrection in the first place then.
That's another reason I'm hesitant to jump on the "it's obviously a retcon" bandwagon. Ripley's story was finished. Ripley 8's was not. And we know Weaver has expressed an interest in continuing with Ripley 8 in the past.
It's strange (or maybe she's forgotten) but she talks about Ripley being left in space; but Ripley 8 returned to Earth at A:R'S end (or arse end). Sigourney's said repeatedly that she didn't want to do Ripley or Aliens on Earth, so maybe she's likewise open to revising the character's story.
I followed this reasoning from Sigourney Weaver since 1992. It strikes me that she just lacked the foresight of how much money she could stand to make if she didn't kill off the character. Sigourney said "You can only have so much bad luck" back then. I think she knows that this is her bread and butter and that's why she's coming back. Fine by me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 03:30:29 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 03:30:29 PM
The character of Ripley has been milked way too much.
Ripley 8, Alexa Woods, Kelly (from AVP:R), and to an extent Shaw.
Let's just have a new character.
Ripley 8, Alexa Woods, Kelly (from AVP:R), and to an extent Shaw.
Let's just have a new character.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:27:20 PMIt strikes me that she just lacked the foresight of how much money she could stand to make if she didn't kill off the character.
Because doing things solely for the cash is such a great way to proceed.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 03:34:28 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 03:34:28 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:33:58 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:27:20 PMIt strikes me that she just lacked the foresight of how much money she could stand to make if she didn't kill off the character.
Because doing things solely for the cash is such a great way to proceed.
She's only human. Still stupid decisions though in terms of the films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 03:37:44 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 03:37:44 PM
Sigourney isn't exactly hurting for work. I really doubt cash alone is what got her involved with another Alien film. She clearly is genuinely intrigued by what Blomkamp has up his sleeve and liked working with him enough on Chappie to want to do it again.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:47:26 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:47:26 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:33:58 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:27:20 PMIt strikes me that she just lacked the foresight of how much money she could stand to make if she didn't kill off the character.
Because doing things solely for the cash is such a great way to proceed.
You're 100% right in this case Huda. I honestly believe she did Alien 3 out of artistic integrity. But I think she did it rather selfishly to aggrandize her own character at the expense of the other characters and moreover the Alien franchise. She just didn't get the appeal of the Alien series. I don't think she has a sci-fi bone in her body and her artistic integrity while laudable was misguided. She is misguided now too in that I think its about the money for her, and she still sees this as a way to finish "her story". She misses the big picture. She should never have become the producer in this series. For Pete's sake she's just an actor. She walked into her role as Ripley completely randomly in 1979. The story should be driven by someone with true Sci-Fi vision, or someone who understands where the film naturally should go.
Fortunately, I think Blomkamp is not misguided. He is an honest fan and he understands where the series should have gone. I believe that despite Weaver's motivations, if she let's Blomkamp take the reigns we stand a good chance of getting the great film that we should have had in 92 and this will reinvigorate the series. But there is the possibility that it will not be done well anyway. It's so easy to drop the ball on this one. The bar was set so high by James Cameron.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 03:56:17 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 03:56:17 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 03:30:29 PMThe character of Ripley has been milked way too much.4 movie appearances in 20 years? Is that considered "milking"?
Ripley's the only unanimously praised protagonist from the whole franchise and spin-offs, the others got a 'meh' reaction pretty much. She's the one that began everything, I see nothing wrong in bringing her back.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 03:59:24 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 03:59:24 PM
I think it's more about all the other characters being based off of her.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 04:06:40 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 04:06:40 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:47:26 PMBut I think she did it rather selfishly to aggrandize her own character at the expense of the other characters and moreover the Alien franchise.
You've said this before, and I told you then - the other characters' fates had nothing to do with Weaver. It was the writers who killed them off, and it happened before Weaver even agreed to appear in a third film
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 04:12:52 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 04:12:52 PM
So Ripley 8 not returning is now confirmed.
That was my guess from everything that Blomkamp and Weaver said.
That was my guess from everything that Blomkamp and Weaver said.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 04:23:43 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 04:23:43 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:47:26 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:33:58 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:27:20 PMIt strikes me that she just lacked the foresight of how much money she could stand to make if she didn't kill off the character.
Because doing things solely for the cash is such a great way to proceed.
You're 100% right in this case Huda. I honestly believe she did Alien 3 out of artistic integrity. But I think she did it rather selfishly to aggrandize her own character at the expense of the other characters and moreover the Alien franchise. She just didn't get the appeal of the Alien series. I don't think she has a sci-fi bone in her body and her artistic integrity while laudable was misguided. She is misguided now too in that I think its about the money for her, and she still sees this as a way to finish "her story". She misses the big picture. She should never have become the producer in this series. For Pete's sake she's just an actor. She walked into her role as Ripley completely randomly in 1979. The story should be driven by someone with true Sci-Fi vision, or someone who understands where the film naturally should go.
Hardly. She did Ghostbusters not long after Alien and returned for that sequel so her not "having a sci-fi bone in her body" sounds like a load of tosh.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 04:25:18 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 04:25:18 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 04:23:43 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:47:26 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:33:58 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:27:20 PMIt strikes me that she just lacked the foresight of how much money she could stand to make if she didn't kill off the character.
Because doing things solely for the cash is such a great way to proceed.
You're 100% right in this case Huda. I honestly believe she did Alien 3 out of artistic integrity. But I think she did it rather selfishly to aggrandize her own character at the expense of the other characters and moreover the Alien franchise. She just didn't get the appeal of the Alien series. I don't think she has a sci-fi bone in her body and her artistic integrity while laudable was misguided. She is misguided now too in that I think its about the money for her, and she still sees this as a way to finish "her story". She misses the big picture. She should never have become the producer in this series. For Pete's sake she's just an actor. She walked into her role as Ripley completely randomly in 1979. The story should be driven by someone with true Sci-Fi vision, or someone who understands where the film naturally should go.
Hardly. She did Ghostbusters not long after Alien and returned for that sequel so her not "having a sci-fi bone in her body" sounds like a load of tosh.
I think it is more a case of her being type-cast at that point than her being an actual fan...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 04:30:39 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 04:23:43 PMYeah and she did Avatar and now Chappie.Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:47:26 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:33:58 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:27:20 PMIt strikes me that she just lacked the foresight of how much money she could stand to make if she didn't kill off the character.
Because doing things solely for the cash is such a great way to proceed.
You're 100% right in this case Huda. I honestly believe she did Alien 3 out of artistic integrity. But I think she did it rather selfishly to aggrandize her own character at the expense of the other characters and moreover the Alien franchise. She just didn't get the appeal of the Alien series. I don't think she has a sci-fi bone in her body and her artistic integrity while laudable was misguided. She is misguided now too in that I think its about the money for her, and she still sees this as a way to finish "her story". She misses the big picture. She should never have become the producer in this series. For Pete's sake she's just an actor. She walked into her role as Ripley completely randomly in 1979. The story should be driven by someone with true Sci-Fi vision, or someone who understands where the film naturally should go.
Hardly. She did Ghostbusters not long after Alien and returned for that sequel so her not "having a sci-fi bone in her body" sounds like a load of tosh.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 04:34:09 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 04:34:09 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 04:30:39 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 04:23:43 PMYeah and she did Avatar and now Chappie.Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:47:26 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:33:58 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:27:20 PMIt strikes me that she just lacked the foresight of how much money she could stand to make if she didn't kill off the character.
Because doing things solely for the cash is such a great way to proceed.
You're 100% right in this case Huda. I honestly believe she did Alien 3 out of artistic integrity. But I think she did it rather selfishly to aggrandize her own character at the expense of the other characters and moreover the Alien franchise. She just didn't get the appeal of the Alien series. I don't think she has a sci-fi bone in her body and her artistic integrity while laudable was misguided. She is misguided now too in that I think its about the money for her, and she still sees this as a way to finish "her story". She misses the big picture. She should never have become the producer in this series. For Pete's sake she's just an actor. She walked into her role as Ripley completely randomly in 1979. The story should be driven by someone with true Sci-Fi vision, or someone who understands where the film naturally should go.
Hardly. She did Ghostbusters not long after Alien and returned for that sequel so her not "having a sci-fi bone in her body" sounds like a load of tosh.
Type-cast
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 04:38:28 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 04:38:28 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 04:34:09 PMType-cast
Eyewitness? Half Moon Street? Gorillas in the Mist? Working Girl? Copycat? Exodus? She's done a ton of non-sci-fi movies.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 04:46:37 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 04:46:37 PM
She wasn't typecast in Avatar or Chappie. She wasn't playing a saviour; the last hope.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 04:53:08 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 04:53:08 PM
Anyway with regards to Sigourney Weaver I'm just speaking from my observations. None of us is inside her head. I honestly believe that in all likelihood all the sci-fi roles she does is as a result of calculated marketing decisions on behalf of her agency. They know that she is the sci-fi queen. But do any of you really think that she sits around reading sci-fi books in her spare time? Really?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:04:47 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:04:47 PM
She doesn't have to in order to be a fan of sci-fi. I don't read sci-fi novels or comics but I enjoy the genre in film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 26, 2015, 05:12:04 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 26, 2015, 05:12:04 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:04:47 PM
She doesn't have to in order to be a fan of sci-fi. I don't read sci-fi novels or comics but I enjoy the genre in film.
Same here.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 05:45:53 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:04:47 PM
She doesn't have to in order to be a fan of sci-fi. I don't read sci-fi novels or comics but I enjoy the genre in film.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 04:46:37 PMDouble this.
She wasn't typecast in Avatar or Chappie. She wasn't playing a saviour; the last hope.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 06:13:19 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 06:13:19 PM
We're kind of arguing the same point. I am all for Sigourney doing Alien 5 as a retcon. I'm just speculating on he machinations that got her to this point. Clearly she was convinced in 92 that that was the way to go. Now she has a different perspective. Time has a way of doing that to people though. Her inner motivations are really anybody's guess.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 06:59:45 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 06:59:45 PM
As I just said in another thread:
Personally, while I'm upset they're apparently retconning the later films (although I'm still waiting for the studio to actually confirm this), at the end of the day, if that's what's being done, I'm excited to be getting a new movie. I'm not gonna lose sleep over it, even if I do think it was a lame move that just unnecessarily muddies the waters. It's not like my being angry and resentful will change anything. I just hope Blomkamp has some decent ideas for his film.
Of course, if the new movie sucks, then I'll be genuinely pissed.
Personally, while I'm upset they're apparently retconning the later films (although I'm still waiting for the studio to actually confirm this), at the end of the day, if that's what's being done, I'm excited to be getting a new movie. I'm not gonna lose sleep over it, even if I do think it was a lame move that just unnecessarily muddies the waters. It's not like my being angry and resentful will change anything. I just hope Blomkamp has some decent ideas for his film.
Of course, if the new movie sucks, then I'll be genuinely pissed.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 07:12:26 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 07:12:26 PM
You know, no matter what people say, I think it's just infinitely cheaper to make a complete "reboot" with different main characters, and I wouldn't be interested on seeing that, AvP tried to do that and it fell flat, new directors simply don't understand how to create great characters, and for them the Alien series is nothing but a slasher film franchise.
I'd be much more interested on seeing Ripley back on tracks.
I'd be much more interested on seeing Ripley back on tracks.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 07:29:03 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 07:29:03 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 07:12:26 PMnew directors simply don't understand how to create great characters, and for them the Alien series is nothing but a slasher film franchise.
That's a ridiculous thing to say. If they put the effort in they can absolutely make interesting new characters.
The problem with AVP was they didn't give a shit.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 26, 2015, 07:35:26 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 26, 2015, 07:35:26 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 07:29:03 PM
The problem with AVP was they didn't give a shit.
I don't think that's remotely accurate. Say what you want about his abilities, but the guy is a genuine fan (and if you don't believe that, listen to the commentary of Event Horizon. Shit, watch Event Horizon and tell me it's not influenced by Aliens). Watch the special features on AvP and listen to the commentaries - that movie was more than a new conservatory for PwsA.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 07:37:14 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 07:37:14 PM
I was referring to the human characters. The characters in AVP weren't even remotely developed, and I never got the impression they particularly cared about making them interesting. They were just there.
Event Horizon is an infinitely better film.
Event Horizon is an infinitely better film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 26, 2015, 07:38:44 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 26, 2015, 07:38:44 PM
I don't know what they are going to do, but I really doubt that Neill is up to just dismiss Alien 3 and Alien: R.
As a director, a quite young and "new"director and one with quite a great taste and a lover of SCI FI, im pretty sure he respects both Fincher and Jeunet, regardless of his opinion on A3 and A:R.
So i'm confident he will find a way to do his thing without dismissing those two movies, but not necessarily referencing them or continuing on them. I have no idea how this can be done, and the ideas some people have about how doing it are mostly horrible...
We will see.
As a director, a quite young and "new"director and one with quite a great taste and a lover of SCI FI, im pretty sure he respects both Fincher and Jeunet, regardless of his opinion on A3 and A:R.
So i'm confident he will find a way to do his thing without dismissing those two movies, but not necessarily referencing them or continuing on them. I have no idea how this can be done, and the ideas some people have about how doing it are mostly horrible...
We will see.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
What would Fincher care? He couldn't disown that piece of garbage quickly enough...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ulfer on Feb 26, 2015, 07:44:13 PM
Post by: Ulfer on Feb 26, 2015, 07:44:13 PM
Ah, the craze about this new Alien movie... We've had Prometheus : I thought people would have been vaccinated by now in what regards great, too great maybe, expectations... (What surprises me the most is the response to the concept arts before the announcement : I don't see anything transcendental there). Maybe Prometheus 2 will be better (I hope so).
But I'm not really enthusiastic about "Alien 5". I hope they will take the "good" road, and produce a very good movie, one to watch again with pleasure, a memorable one. Which means that there must be originality there. There must be flair. At least the experience of Prometheus - immense potential, but a mitigated result, in part because of "hollywoodian" reasons I guess - shows certain things to avoid. Between Prometheus and Interstellar, I choose Interstellar, easily, and I guess it's the kind of comment the studios could ponder about.
I hope that this next Alien movie will follow the steps of the first in what regards originality and awe. The collaboration with Giger and other talented artists made the first Alien magnificent visually and there was specifically a depth in Giger's work that nourished the imagination, the nightmare, the dread, etc. Prometheus 2 and this next Alien movie are the most adequate movies where we could find truly bizarre, awe and fear inducing elements of that kind. So I hope I won't be greatly disappointed in that area.
I don't know if the celebrated xeno has much cinematographic originality left to it. Variations on what we've already had, I can love it in a video game like Alien Isolation, which is excellent ; but it's not really what I expect in another movie, the fifth (in the AvP movies, they've used quite blankly the "Alien" recipe we all know - oh, eggs ; argh, chest-burster, etc. - and it's of course useless if there is nothing else on that point in the next Alien movie) or sixth in the Alien universe. So it will be a difficult aspect for the team working on the movie...
On the other hand, the cinematographic Alien universe remains extremely tiny. There are many ways of broadening the human aspect, show much more of the dystopian future society drafted in the movies, add depth to the quite simple elements of scenario and characterization of the Company, for example.
But I'm not really enthusiastic about "Alien 5". I hope they will take the "good" road, and produce a very good movie, one to watch again with pleasure, a memorable one. Which means that there must be originality there. There must be flair. At least the experience of Prometheus - immense potential, but a mitigated result, in part because of "hollywoodian" reasons I guess - shows certain things to avoid. Between Prometheus and Interstellar, I choose Interstellar, easily, and I guess it's the kind of comment the studios could ponder about.
I hope that this next Alien movie will follow the steps of the first in what regards originality and awe. The collaboration with Giger and other talented artists made the first Alien magnificent visually and there was specifically a depth in Giger's work that nourished the imagination, the nightmare, the dread, etc. Prometheus 2 and this next Alien movie are the most adequate movies where we could find truly bizarre, awe and fear inducing elements of that kind. So I hope I won't be greatly disappointed in that area.
I don't know if the celebrated xeno has much cinematographic originality left to it. Variations on what we've already had, I can love it in a video game like Alien Isolation, which is excellent ; but it's not really what I expect in another movie, the fifth (in the AvP movies, they've used quite blankly the "Alien" recipe we all know - oh, eggs ; argh, chest-burster, etc. - and it's of course useless if there is nothing else on that point in the next Alien movie) or sixth in the Alien universe. So it will be a difficult aspect for the team working on the movie...
On the other hand, the cinematographic Alien universe remains extremely tiny. There are many ways of broadening the human aspect, show much more of the dystopian future society drafted in the movies, add depth to the quite simple elements of scenario and characterization of the Company, for example.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 26, 2015, 07:47:42 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 26, 2015, 07:47:42 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 26, 2015, 07:35:26 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 07:29:03 PM
The problem with AVP was they didn't give a shit.
I don't think that's remotely accurate. Say what you want about his abilities, but the guy is a genuine fan (and if you don't believe that, listen to the commentary of Event Horizon. Shit, watch Event Horizon and tell me it's not influenced by Aliens). Watch the special features on AvP and listen to the commentaries - that movie was more than a new conservatory for PwsA.
P ws A is a nice guy, that loves cinema and the genre, and Even Horizon is a hell of a movie (not perfect at all, but damn entertaining), and the first Resident Evil is watchable, but the guy man, he really is untalented. And the way he is squeezing the RE franchise is beyond shame. Cinema would be much better if this guy decided to work in something else like I don't know, playing the banjo or sexing chickens.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
What would Fincher care? He couldn't disown that piece of garbage quickly enough...
Its not that Fincher cares (that I am sure he cares a lot, if not he won't have the need to disown it so strongly).
I don't know, I won't be comfortable in his position... Even If what I had to discard was AVP, AVPR or Prometheus! It would feel wrong.
But anyway, thats just my opinion, maybe he doesn't give a shit.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 08:15:22 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 08:15:22 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 07:29:03 PMAnyways, bringing Weaving back on board could be an incentive for the studio to give a crap and craft the movie much more carefully.Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 07:12:26 PMnew directors simply don't understand how to create great characters, and for them the Alien series is nothing but a slasher film franchise.
That's a ridiculous thing to say. If they put the effort in they can absolutely make interesting new characters.
The problem with AVP was they didn't give a shit.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 08:18:15 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 08:18:15 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
What would Fincher care? He couldn't disown that piece of garbage quickly enough...
Nice twisting & turning. FOX made his life a living hell. The movie itself is excellent and beyond any expectations, especially considering the circumstances. Blows ALIENS out of the water. Unfortunately the Cameron touch tainted the franchise so badly that anything that isn't ALIENS 2 is considered "garbage" that has to be retconned no matter what.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:19:30 PM
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:19:30 PM
So the new timeline will be:
Prometheus---------ProII-----------Alien -------------- Aliens ----------------------------Alien 5 (Time will likely be years after Aliens)
Alien 3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Alien: R (alternate timeline)
I think Ripley's death is what the issue is. By her dying in 3, it left not many places to go for 4. So they went the clone route. It seems by starting after II. You have Ripley in Cryo-Sleep. But where's Newt? I mean this could cause a lot of issues with the story cause everyone's older.
Prometheus---------ProII-----------Alien -------------- Aliens ----------------------------Alien 5 (Time will likely be years after Aliens)
Alien 3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Alien: R (alternate timeline)
I think Ripley's death is what the issue is. By her dying in 3, it left not many places to go for 4. So they went the clone route. It seems by starting after II. You have Ripley in Cryo-Sleep. But where's Newt? I mean this could cause a lot of issues with the story cause everyone's older.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 08:22:32 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 08:22:32 PM
I wonder if Predator will be canon in the new timeline. ???
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 08:23:08 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 08:23:08 PM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:19:30 PMSo the new timeline will be:
Again though, it really hasn't been confirmed the later films are being retconned.
It seems they're going that way, but no one's actually outright said so, and certainly not the studio.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:28:55 PM
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:28:55 PM
^^^^^
Oh, I thought it was confirmed today. It's all over social media about it taking place after "Aliens". Plus if you look at Niel's concept art, he does have Hick's alive. Again I liked Alien 3 though I know it has flaws. I was lukewarm on 4 but I liked 3, saw it when I was young.
Oh, I thought it was confirmed today. It's all over social media about it taking place after "Aliens". Plus if you look at Niel's concept art, he does have Hick's alive. Again I liked Alien 3 though I know it has flaws. I was lukewarm on 4 but I liked 3, saw it when I was young.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 08:33:57 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 08:33:57 PM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:28:55 PMOh, I thought it was confirmed today. It's all over social media about it taking place after "Aliens".
What Blomkamp said was definitely open to interpretation, yet everyone's seized upon it as meaning the later films are absolutely being retconned.
Personally, I'd rather wait until Fox have confirmed it before accepting it as fact.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 08:36:39 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 08:36:39 PM
^This, but I have to admit, it is pretty hard for me to not get a little excited at the prospect of having Newt's death retconned away. :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:47:24 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:47:24 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 08:18:15 PMQuote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
What would Fincher care? He couldn't disown that piece of garbage quickly enough...
Nice twisting & turning. FOX made his life a living hell. The movie itself is excellent and beyond any expectations, especially considering the circumstances. Blows ALIENS out of the water. Unfortunately the Cameron touch tainted the franchise so badly that anything that isn't ALIENS 2 is considered "garbage" that has to be retconned no matter what.
I get it, you don't like Aliens but let's be realistic here. Aliens is widely regarded as at least one of the best action movies ever made. Alien 3 was pilloried even before it's release because of all the production problems, then it was released and was panned by the majority of critics for a variety of reasons. Not Fincher's fault, it could have been far worse in the hands of a lesser director, but it was still a mess which derailed the series...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 08:47:52 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 08:47:52 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 08:22:32 PM
I wonder if Predator will be canon in the new timeline. ???
Personally? I hope not.. And this is coming from someone who likes Alien and Predator being in the same universe. So long as PREDATORS is not counted anyway...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 08:48:51 PM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 08:48:51 PM
Predators should stay. It's really not that bad of a film and even if it were, cutting it out just feeds the retcon beast.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 08:50:34 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 08:50:34 PM
^This, the entire nightmare started with the "retconning" of the AVP films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Crazy Rich on Feb 26, 2015, 08:50:58 PM
Post by: Crazy Rich on Feb 26, 2015, 08:50:58 PM
After getting some thoughts together. I'm overall pretty disheartened that the next movie plans to treat Alien 3 and Resurrection like they never existed, and this is coming from someone who was saying that these movies will still exist for our enjoyment regardless of what they do with this new movie, and I said this when it wasn't even official yet.
I can kinda live with Resurrection being ignored, although it did have it's moments, if you look at the behind the scenes for the basketball scene you realize more how amazing that scene is. But Alien 3 is a movie that while it for sure has it's problems, it actually isn't that bad, the Assembly Cut in particular is a pretty darn good and enjoyable watch and the ending is so meaningful. Rather than give in and attempt to have the Queen removed for her own survival she sacrificed herself to save all of humanity from the nightmare and the horrors she endured for so long, and then you see the shot of the sun rising up again and seeing the darkness engulfing the planet surface being purged by the light of the sun. How can you get any more of a noble and powerful ending? I don't think Blomkamp can ever top that.
Looking at the concept art, some of it is okay, but then the other stuff, well, thinking that it'll end up in the movie is like a chalkboard scratching another chalkboard in my brain. Other than that I don't really know who this Blomkamp guy is, people keep saying he directed District 9, well I never saw that so you're not really telling me anything. Sigourney Weaver... I'll be honest and say I can't stay mad at her, her character Ellen Ripley is only just one of my most favourite movie heroines ever.
Maybe I'm being too hard on the new movie. I mean initially I was pretty damn hard on Alien Isolation when it was announced because I was still feeling the aftermath of Aliens: Colonial Marines which was not only one of the worst things ever but we were actually tricked by false advertisement. But as it turns out Alien Isolation is the greatest thing since Alien and Aliens and it's been swimming in awards and praise, and it's an installment I'll always treasure.
So maybe I should just wait and see how things actually develop for this new Alien movie, maybe I might come around if I hear things I like, and of course movies like Alien 3 will still exist for our enjoyment regardless of what they do with the new film... but for now I'm still cynical about it and this Alien 3 clip is more than fitting to how I generally feel about Blomkamp's official Alien movie announcement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du4IoVgOJdU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du4IoVgOJdU#ws)
P.S - I never mentioned Prometheus because even though others on the internet have mentioned it... why are people even worried about it? I'm sure if Ridley Scott wants to do Prometheus 2 it's going to happen, I mean, they don't really conflict with each other, one is a continuity of the main alien storyline and the other is a continuity of a spin-off. I'm not seeing the issue here.
I can kinda live with Resurrection being ignored, although it did have it's moments, if you look at the behind the scenes for the basketball scene you realize more how amazing that scene is. But Alien 3 is a movie that while it for sure has it's problems, it actually isn't that bad, the Assembly Cut in particular is a pretty darn good and enjoyable watch and the ending is so meaningful. Rather than give in and attempt to have the Queen removed for her own survival she sacrificed herself to save all of humanity from the nightmare and the horrors she endured for so long, and then you see the shot of the sun rising up again and seeing the darkness engulfing the planet surface being purged by the light of the sun. How can you get any more of a noble and powerful ending? I don't think Blomkamp can ever top that.
Looking at the concept art, some of it is okay, but then the other stuff, well, thinking that it'll end up in the movie is like a chalkboard scratching another chalkboard in my brain. Other than that I don't really know who this Blomkamp guy is, people keep saying he directed District 9, well I never saw that so you're not really telling me anything. Sigourney Weaver... I'll be honest and say I can't stay mad at her, her character Ellen Ripley is only just one of my most favourite movie heroines ever.
Maybe I'm being too hard on the new movie. I mean initially I was pretty damn hard on Alien Isolation when it was announced because I was still feeling the aftermath of Aliens: Colonial Marines which was not only one of the worst things ever but we were actually tricked by false advertisement. But as it turns out Alien Isolation is the greatest thing since Alien and Aliens and it's been swimming in awards and praise, and it's an installment I'll always treasure.
So maybe I should just wait and see how things actually develop for this new Alien movie, maybe I might come around if I hear things I like, and of course movies like Alien 3 will still exist for our enjoyment regardless of what they do with the new film... but for now I'm still cynical about it and this Alien 3 clip is more than fitting to how I generally feel about Blomkamp's official Alien movie announcement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du4IoVgOJdU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du4IoVgOJdU#ws)
P.S - I never mentioned Prometheus because even though others on the internet have mentioned it... why are people even worried about it? I'm sure if Ridley Scott wants to do Prometheus 2 it's going to happen, I mean, they don't really conflict with each other, one is a continuity of the main alien storyline and the other is a continuity of a spin-off. I'm not seeing the issue here.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 09:03:51 PM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 09:03:51 PM
I thought Prometheus 2/Paradise was a done deal.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:11:19 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:11:19 PM
I dont care about Prometheus/Prometheus 2 AT ALL at this point. Especially after an Alien 5 announcement.
Prometheus had no desire itself to be an ALIEN movie, so why should I even consider it as such myself?
Prometheus had no desire itself to be an ALIEN movie, so why should I even consider it as such myself?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 09:13:05 PM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 09:13:05 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:11:19 PM
I dont care about Prometheus/Prometheus 2 AT ALL at this point. Especially after an Alien 5 announcement.
Prometheus had no desire itself to be an ALIEN movie, so why should I even consider it as such myself?
Don't you want the story to be finished?
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:14 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:14 PM
Of course, we want the story finished but it is disgraceful how much Prometheus tried to advertise itself as an Alien movie when it wanted to be something completely different.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:58 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:58 PM
Hey, I love Alien: Resurrection but I wouldn't mind if it's plain wiped out of continuity. Same for Spider-Man 3 and X-Men: The Last Stand.
Simply there could have been better, less underwhelming ways to develop the sequel...
Simply there could have been better, less underwhelming ways to develop the sequel...
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 09:13:05 PMAlien 3 concluded the story. Alien Rez was nothing but an artificial (literally, because of the cloning) way to extend the franchise's life. There's no point on trying to carry on with that, because as the way it is, the story would never be "concluded".Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:11:19 PM
I dont care about Prometheus/Prometheus 2 AT ALL at this point. Especially after an Alien 5 announcement.
Prometheus had no desire itself to be an ALIEN movie, so why should I even consider it as such myself?
Don't you want the story to be finished?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 09:19:43 PM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:14 PM
Of course, we want the story finished but it is disgraceful how much Prometheus tried to advertise itself as an Alien movie when it wanted to be something completely different.
I agree that it was a bait and switch, but with the deacon and the hope of seeing the Engineer homeworld, the next film promises to be amazing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:22:10 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:22:10 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:58 PM
Hey, I love Alien: Resurrection but I wouldn't mind if it's plain wiped out of continuity. Same for Spider-Man 3 and X-Men: The Last Stand.
In the case of X-Men, Last Stand was erased... and so were the rest of the other X-Men films thanks to Days of Futures Past.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 26, 2015, 09:22:47 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 26, 2015, 09:22:47 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:58 PM
Hey, I love Alien: Resurrection but I wouldn't mind if it's plain wiped out of continuity. Same for Spider-Man 3 and X-Men: The Last Stand.
Simply there could have been better, less underwhelming ways to develop the sequel...Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 09:13:05 PMAlien 3 concluded the story. Alien Rez was nothing but an artificial (literally, because of the cloning) way to extend the franchise's life. There's no point on trying to carry on with that, because as the way it is, the story would never be "concluded".Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:11:19 PM
I dont care about Prometheus/Prometheus 2 AT ALL at this point. Especially after an Alien 5 announcement.
Prometheus had no desire itself to be an ALIEN movie, so why should I even consider it as such myself?
I would have been perfectly happy if Alien 3 was the last we saw of the Alien, but after A:R, AVP prometheus etc. we NEED another good movie about that unvierse....Let's hope Neill can do that, whatever they do story-wise.
Don't you want the story to be finished?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:24:59 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:24:59 PM
Ill eventually see P2 just because, BUT I dont like the way Prometheus turned out and I hated its reveal/explanation for the Space Jockey. Prometheus is NON-CANON to me personally. Just like A:R and the AVP movies. Fun movies in their own right on their own....but not true ALIEN films.
That's that.
That's that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 09:25:26 PM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 09:25:26 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:58 PM
Hey, I love Alien: Resurrection but I wouldn't mind if it's plain wiped out of continuity. Same for Spider-Man 3 and X-Men: The Last Stand.
Simply there could have been better, less underwhelming ways to develop the sequel...
Those movies weren't very good, but again, if you cut out parts of franchises that you just don't like, you undercut the whole idea of having running franchises to begin with.
QuoteAlien 3 concluded the story. Alien Rez was nothing but an artificial (literally, because of the cloning) way to extend the franchise's life. There's no point on trying to carry on with that, because as the way it is, the story would never be "concluded".
I was actually referring specifically to Prometheus but my point stands. Resurrection may have been an attempted cash cow but it's been an accepted part of the franchise for almost two decades now and cutting it out undercuts the integrity of the franchise. Why even bother to make sequels at all if the whole thing is just going to be chopped and screwed later on?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 09:27:45 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 09:27:45 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:47:24 PMDon't take him too seriously. He's still in the "Anger" stage of grief. Who knows if he'll ever get to "acceptance" but yeah he got much more aggressive compared to the "denial" phase that has been going on since Neill's "might officially be my next project" tweet. And it's understandable.Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 08:18:15 PMQuote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
What would Fincher care? He couldn't disown that piece of garbage quickly enough...
Nice twisting & turning. FOX made his life a living hell. The movie itself is excellent and beyond any expectations, especially considering the circumstances. Blows ALIENS out of the water. Unfortunately the Cameron touch tainted the franchise so badly that anything that isn't ALIENS 2 is considered "garbage" that has to be retconned no matter what.
I get it, you don't like Aliens but let's be realistic here. Aliens is widely regarded as at least one of the best action movies ever made. Alien 3 was pilloried even before it's release because of all the production problems, then it was released and was panned by the majority of critics for a variety of reasons. Not Fincher's fault, it could have been far worse in the hands of a lesser director, but it was still a mess which derailed the series...
Stating opinion as fact is a bit heavy though. Specially when that opinion is in the minority.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 09:28:18 PM
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 09:28:18 PM
"I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 09:30:15 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 09:30:15 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:22:10 PM
Hey, I love Alien: Resurrection but I wouldn't mind if it's plain wiped out of continuity. Same for Spider-Man 3
How was Spider-man 3 retconned?
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:14 PM
Of course, we want the story finished but it is disgraceful how much Prometheus tried to advertise itself as an Alien movie when it wanted to be something completely different.
Throughout its pre-production Ridley stated in many interviews it was going in the new direction just set in the same universe.
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Feb 26, 2015, 08:50:58 PM
she sacrificed herself to save all of humanity from the nightmare and the horrors she endured for so long, and then you see the shot of the sun rising up again and seeing the darkness engulfing the planet surface being purged by the light of the sun. How can you get any more of a noble and powerful ending? I don't think Blomkamp can ever top that.
Completely agree. Booted even more by the recording she made at the end of Alien.
End of transmission.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:31:12 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:31:12 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 09:25:26 PMThose movies weren't very goodWell, I think they were really enjoyable, just not the way the route the movies should have gone. That's also what I think about Alien Resurrection.
And as for Alien 3, there's a HUGE amount of people that find them both boring, underwhelming and a bad closure to the trilogy.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:22:10 PMYeah, X-Men could pull it in a very clever way because of:Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:58 PM
Hey, I love Alien: Resurrection but I wouldn't mind if it's plain wiped out of continuity. Same for Spider-Man 3 and X-Men: The Last Stand.
In the case of X-Men, Last Stand was erased... and so were the rest of the other X-Men films thanks to Days of Futures Past.
1.- It took advantage of the classic comic book storyline
2.- It tied in with the recent prequel movies
3.- The X-Men universe is highly unrealistic sci-fi already, so introducing a sort of time travel thing didn't seem forced.
As for Alien, I wouldn't like an in-continuity retcon (like what X-Men or Star Trek did). Time travel wouldn't fit in this relatively "low" sci-fi series, and I plain don't want them to spend a whole movie trying to reconcile with Alien 3 and Rez and trying too hard for everything to make sense.
Just go and pretend Alien 3 and Rez never happened (like what X-Men: DoFP opening scenes did to The Wolverine's post-credits scene), ignore that completely and let's do a kickass Alien movie, that's all I want.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:22:10 PMAnd yet, people didn't like it.Quote from: Crazy Rich on Feb 26, 2015, 08:50:58 PM
she sacrificed herself to save all of humanity from the nightmare and the horrors she endured for so long, and then you see the shot of the sun rising up again and seeing the darkness engulfing the planet surface being purged by the light of the sun. How can you get any more of a noble and powerful ending? I don't think Blomkamp can ever top that.
Completely agree. Booted even more by the recording she made at the end of Alien.
Talk all good you want about the movie but most of the audience didn't like it at all and they wanted something different for the franchise.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:31:50 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:31:50 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 09:19:43 PMQuote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:14 PM
Of course, we want the story finished but it is disgraceful how much Prometheus tried to advertise itself as an Alien movie when it wanted to be something completely different.
I agree that it was a bait and switch, but with the deacon and the hope of seeing the Engineer homeworld, the next film promises to be amazing.
Not to rain on your parade, but Ridley has stated he doesn't want to do the "gods and dragons" motif (aka Engineers and Aliens) anymore in future films so I wouldn't hold my breath on seeing the Engineer homeworld. :(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:33:38 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:33:38 PM
Quote from: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 09:28:18 PM
"I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be)
....Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:33:50 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:33:50 PM
Quote from: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 09:28:18 PM
"I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be)
very interesting, I like that Sigourney pretty much says that she didnt like the way the movies went by the end of the last 2 films. And I think Blomkamp is pretty much saying that he doesnt want to officially retcon A3/AR, just ignore them and make the movie he want for HIS vision, which I fully support.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:18 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:18 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:31:12 PMYeah, X-Men could pull it in a very clever way because of:
1.- It took advantage of the classic comic book storyline
2.- It tied in with the recent prequel movies
3.- The X-Men universe is highly unrealistic sci-fi already, so introducing a sort of time travel thing didn't seem forced.
Except they then went and totally f*cked it by resurrecting Patrick Stewart without a single f*cking word of explanation. I've literally never seen such a blatant lack of bothering to explain yourself in a film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:33 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:33 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:33:50 PM
very interesting, I like that Sigourney pretty much says that she didnt like the way the movies went by the end. And I think Blomkamp is pretty much saying that he doesnt want to officially retcon A3/AR, just ignore them and make the movie he want for HIS vision, which I fully support.
So this is like PREDATORS again, where it ignored Predator to AvP-R and was more or less a direct sequel to the original Predator.
More and more, this is sounding like what Godzilla 1985 did... Serve as a sequel to the original 1954 movie, and ignore the rest. Meaning we COULD be looking at different timelines. Guys... Are we looking at different timelines now?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:40:45 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:40:45 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:33 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:33:50 PM
very interesting, I like that Sigourney pretty much says that she didnt like the way the movies went by the end. And I think Blomkamp is pretty much saying that he doesnt want to officially retcon A3/AR, just ignore them and make the movie he want for HIS vision, which I fully support.
So this is like PREDATORS again, where it ignored Predator to AvP-R and was more or less a direct sequel to the original Predator.
More and more, this is sounding like what Godzilla 1985 did... Serve as a sequel to the original 1954 movie, and ignore the rest. Meaning we COULD be looking at different timelines. Guys... Are we looking at different timelines now?
I think you might just get the "different timeline" confirmation youve been hoping for :) Which I would also like and be perfectly fine with.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 09:41:01 PM
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 09:41:01 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:31:12 PM
As for Alien, I wouldn't like an in-continuity retcon (like what X-Men or Star Trek did). Time travel wouldn't fit in this relatively "low" sci-fi series, and I plain don't want them to spend a whole movie trying to reconcile with Alien 3 and Rez and trying too hard for everything to make sense.
If they took notes from Interstellar, which is a sci-fi flick more grounded in reality. Time Travel could work, IMHO.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:41:36 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:41:36 PM
Quote from: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 09:28:18 PM
"I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be)
I dunno, that may be his way of saying he's not decanonizing them while at the same time trying to set his movie in a different universe. Assuming this isn't a retcon, the only way Neil can pull this off is if his new movie is a secret interquel or if Ripley and Hicks are synthetic copies of the originals.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:42:13 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:42:13 PM
Quote from: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 09:41:01 PMInterstellar has always been about astrophysics. Alien's more about biology, I guess.Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:31:12 PM
As for Alien, I wouldn't like an in-continuity retcon (like what X-Men or Star Trek did). Time travel wouldn't fit in this relatively "low" sci-fi series, and I plain don't want them to spend a whole movie trying to reconcile with Alien 3 and Rez and trying too hard for everything to make sense.
If they took notes from Interstellar, which is a sci-fi flick more grounded in reality. Time Travel could work, IMHO.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 09:42:21 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 09:42:21 PM
Alien 0.3: Choose Your Own Adventure
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:42:45 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:42:45 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:41:36 PMAssuming this isn't a retcon, the only way Neil can pull this off is if his new movie is a secret interquel or if Ripley and Hicks are synthetic copies of the originals.
Both of which are crap ideas.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:42:57 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:42:57 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:40:45 PM
I think you might just get the "different timeline" confirmation youve been hoping for :) Which I would also like and be perfectly fine with.
If that is the case, I will be so happy! Like.. you wouldn't believe how happy.
Then it would be a matter of organizing every movie and it's placement.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:43:55 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:18 PMAnd audiences still weren't angry and loved the film. Yet another proof that you don't need for big explanations and a simple retcon can work in the end.Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:31:12 PMYeah, X-Men could pull it in a very clever way because of:
1.- It took advantage of the classic comic book storyline
2.- It tied in with the recent prequel movies
3.- The X-Men universe is highly unrealistic sci-fi already, so introducing a sort of time travel thing didn't seem forced.
Except they then went and totally f*cked it by resurrecting Patrick Stewart without a single f*cking word of explanation. I've literally never seen such a blatant lack of bothering to explain yourself in a film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:46:25 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:46:25 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:43:55 PMAnd audiences still weren't angry and loved the film. Yet another proof that you don't need for big explanations and a simple retcon can work in the end.
:laugh: You slag off Alien 3 for having a magic egg, but a person just miraculously pops back to life in X-Men with no explanation whatsoever and you're fine with it.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:47:10 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:47:10 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:42:57 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:40:45 PM
I think you might just get the "different timeline" confirmation youve been hoping for :) Which I would also like and be perfectly fine with.
If that is the case, I will be so happy! Like.. you wouldn't believe how happy.
Then it would be a matter of organizing every movie and it's placement.
Yeah, I seriously think this is just new timeline stuff; as I said before, Fox won't shit on two movies that can still make them money nor would they want to anger too many fans after the AVP films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:51:53 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:51:53 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:47:10 PM
Yeah, I seriously think this is just new timeline stuff; as I said before, Fox won't shit on two movies that can still make them money nor would they want to anger too many fans after the AVP films.
I hope Fox is doing what Toho did with the Godzilla franchise when they were doing the Heisei era films.. If that's the case, everybody wins and I mean everybody!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:53:47 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:53:47 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:46:25 PMI don't care about magic eggs or anything, I just disliked Alien 3 because of the killing of beloved characters, for being bored, depressing and underwhelming, after what a great ride Alien and Aliens were.Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:43:55 PMAnd audiences still weren't angry and loved the film. Yet another proof that you don't need for big explanations and a simple retcon can work in the end.
:laugh: You slag off Alien 3 for having a magic egg, but a person just miraculously pops back to life in X-Men with no explanation whatsoever and you're fine with it.
As for the X-Men films, THERE ARE explanation for those plotholes, you only have to make a little of research.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 09:58:00 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 09:58:00 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:53:47 PM
I don't care about magic eggs or anything, I just disliked Alien 3 because of the killing of beloved characters, for being bored, depressing and underwhelming, after what a great ride Alien and Aliens were.
You're missing out on one hell of story dude. :-*
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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:00:56 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:53:47 PMAs for the X-Men films, THERE ARE explanation for those plotholes, you only have to make a little of research.
:laugh: Why the hell should I have to? The film should bother to explain it. Not doing that is insulting to the audience, like they're expecting us not to ask questions.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:02:53 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:02:53 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:00:56 PMQuote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:53:47 PMAs for the X-Men films, THERE ARE explanation for those plotholes, you only have to make a little of research.
:laugh: Why the hell should I have to? The film should bother to explain it. Not doing that is insulting to the audience, like they're expecting us not to ask questions.
I agree with this, a true writer writes a story seamlessly; lesser creators make stories filled with plot holes then rely on fans to do their job for them. :(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:08:11 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:08:11 PM
Here are the options:
Option 1:
Take place after the 4 alien movies. Sequel to Resurrection. Bad idea in my opinion as I believe that Ripley 8 is a bad character and the story is in a bad spot at that moment.
Option 2:
Retcon Alien 3 and A:R out of existence. They never happened. Kinda harsh imo as A3 at least has its moments and has been considered canon for the last 22 years.
Option 3:
Take place after Alien 3 with new characters. Ripley is gone and dead. Could potentially work imo, however Sigourney is going to most certainly be involved so this is unlikely, especially considering Sigourney and Blomkamp's recent comments in interviews.
Option 4:
Alternate timeline/canon. Takes place after AL()ENS in place of Alien 3/A:R. A3/A:R arent retconned "out of existance", they are just ignored for the sake of this new story's different take on the direction of the franchise. imo, this is the best option that has the greatest potential and will anger the least amount of fans.
What do you guys think?...
Option 1:
Take place after the 4 alien movies. Sequel to Resurrection. Bad idea in my opinion as I believe that Ripley 8 is a bad character and the story is in a bad spot at that moment.
Option 2:
Retcon Alien 3 and A:R out of existence. They never happened. Kinda harsh imo as A3 at least has its moments and has been considered canon for the last 22 years.
Option 3:
Take place after Alien 3 with new characters. Ripley is gone and dead. Could potentially work imo, however Sigourney is going to most certainly be involved so this is unlikely, especially considering Sigourney and Blomkamp's recent comments in interviews.
Option 4:
Alternate timeline/canon. Takes place after AL()ENS in place of Alien 3/A:R. A3/A:R arent retconned "out of existance", they are just ignored for the sake of this new story's different take on the direction of the franchise. imo, this is the best option that has the greatest potential and will anger the least amount of fans.
What do you guys think?...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:06 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:06 PM
A good director/writer knows when there's a need for explain something and when is not.
Ignoring stuff might serve for a purpose; for example, the less they talk about X-Men: The Last Stand, specially Xavier's death, the better, since people didn't like or cared much about that movie. Those themes were only ignored or left in the background.
Singer didn't have to explain much on that for their movie to work and it was still much loved. There's no need for over-explaining everything to death. The only true need for the movie is to be enjoyable and good by its own, everything else is secondary.
Ignoring stuff might serve for a purpose; for example, the less they talk about X-Men: The Last Stand, specially Xavier's death, the better, since people didn't like or cared much about that movie. Those themes were only ignored or left in the background.
Singer didn't have to explain much on that for their movie to work and it was still much loved. There's no need for over-explaining everything to death. The only true need for the movie is to be enjoyable and good by its own, everything else is secondary.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:41 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:41 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:08:11 PM
Option 4:
Alternate timeline/canon. Takes place after AL()ENS in place of Alien 3/A:R. A3/A:R arent retconned "out of existance, they are just ignored for the sake of this new story's different take on the direction of the franchise. imo, this is the best option that has the greatest potential and will anger the least amount of fans.
[Relentlessly hits the button for Option Four]
This! Strongly this!!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:10:22 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:10:22 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:06 PMA good director/writer knows when there's a need for explain something and when is not.
There's literally no excuse for not bothering to explain why a main character who died is suddenly resurrected.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 10:11:14 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 10:11:14 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:08:11 PM
Option 5:
Take place after Alien with new characters and setting.
This.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:12:05 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:10:22 PMQuote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:06 PMA good director/writer knows when there's a need for explain something and when is not.
There's literally no excuse for not bothering to explain why a main character who died is suddenly resurrected.
^As an impartial observer, I have to say it's REALLY hard to argue with this logic.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 10:12:43 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 10:12:43 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:40:45 PMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:33 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:33:50 PM
very interesting, I like that Sigourney pretty much says that she didnt like the way the movies went by the end. And I think Blomkamp is pretty much saying that he doesnt want to officially retcon A3/AR, just ignore them and make the movie he want for HIS vision, which I fully support.
So this is like PREDATORS again, where it ignored Predator to AvP-R and was more or less a direct sequel to the original Predator.
More and more, this is sounding like what Godzilla 1985 did... Serve as a sequel to the original 1954 movie, and ignore the rest. Meaning we COULD be looking at different timelines. Guys... Are we looking at different timelines now?
I think you might just get the "different timeline" confirmation youve been hoping for :) Which I would also like and be perfectly fine with.
Hmmm, I could live with 2 different timelines. It's a good compromise between both different camps of fanboys.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:14:30 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:14:30 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 10:12:43 PMHmmm, I could live with 2 different timelines. It's a good compromise between both different camps of fanboys.
But how is that any different from just scrapping the third and fourth films? It's not like they're ever going to do more sequels to the original movies, because that would just be confusing as hell for the general public.
So it's just retcon with a different label.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 10:18:06 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 10:18:06 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:14:30 PM
So it's just retcon with a different label.
Yeah, as i've tried to say in a couple other places, only the fans are really going to care about "Timeline A" "Timeline B" or whatever. The general audience doesn't care about that. They care that they are entertained by the movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 10:20:45 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 10:20:45 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 10:11:14 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:08:11 PM
Option 5:
Take place after Alien with new characters and setting.
This.
You want to retcon Aliens? Was it too good?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:21:04 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 10:11:14 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:08:11 PM
Option 5:
Take place after Alien with new characters and setting.
This.
Would be very interesting, but probably not gonna happen since Ripley IS going to be in it, and Blomkamp said he wants it to acknowledge Alien and Aliens.
Obviously, there are many other options than just the 4 I typed, but many other options are just unlikely, so I didnt bother typing them ALL up. You could probably think up dozens of potential options.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:21:54 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:21:54 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:14:30 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 10:12:43 PMHmmm, I could live with 2 different timelines. It's a good compromise between both different camps of fanboys.
But how is that any different from just scrapping the third and fourth films? It's not like they're ever going to do more sequels to the original movies, because that would just be confusing as hell for the general public.
So it's just retcon with a different label.
Meh, fans have been pulling this since the AVP films came out, and Fox actually listens to them. If they get to officially decanonize the films they want, then I should at least get a chance to decanonize the ones I want out, at least that's my reasoning. :-\
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 10:25:56 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 10:25:56 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:14:30 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 10:12:43 PMHmmm, I could live with 2 different timelines. It's a good compromise between both different camps of fanboys.
But how is that any different from just scrapping the third and fourth films? It's not like they're ever going to do more sequels to the original movies, because that would just be confusing as hell for the general public.
I don't see how having two alternate timelines would devalue the franchise and confuse people. Sure it would be confusing to the general public and newer fans but that's the duty of older fans to educate them to.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 10:32:32 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 10:32:32 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:14:30 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 10:12:43 PMHmmm, I could live with 2 different timelines. It's a good compromise between both different camps of fanboys.
But how is that any different from just scrapping the third and fourth films? It's not like they're ever going to do more sequels to the original movies, because that would just be confusing as hell for the general public.
So it's just retcon with a different label.
These are all good points. Option 4 is a good idea but it would potentially confuse the crap out of the casual observer, unless we get the marketing machine going.
Recap:
Option 4:
Alternate timeline/canon. Takes place after AL()ENS in place of Alien 3/A:R. A3/A:R arent retconned "out of existance", they are just ignored for the sake of this new story's different take on the direction of the franchise. imo, this is the best option that has the greatest potential and will anger the least amount of fans.
I suggested in another post that we could have an Alien timeline and AVP timeline. It makes sense because Charles Bishop Weyland from AVP was clearly derived from Bishop II in Alien 3. In terms of marketing what you could do is tie up the AVP story post Alien Resurrection much like is intended in the upcoming AVP Rage War series. So ultimately you will get the following boxed sets:
AVP Boxed set:
-Predator
-Predator 2
-Predators
(-Predator 4)
-AVP
-AVP R
-Alien
-Aliens
-Alien 3
-Alien Resurrection
-AVP Rage War 1
-AVP Rage War 2
Alien Boxed set:
Prometheus
Prometheus 2
Alien
Aliens
Alien 5
Alien vs. Prometheus
Paradise
You could literally relabel the movies like they did with Star Wars. Remember Star Wars became Episode IV: A New Hope? That could work. Nobody would be confused if the sets were sold with consistent graphics. It would certainly be unique and very creative. Hmm...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:32:38 PM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:32:38 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:00:56 PMThat's the point, you don't need to, you only have to enjoy the movie. That lack of explanation doesn't hurt the experience a single bit.Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:53:47 PMAs for the X-Men films, THERE ARE explanation for those plotholes, you only have to make a little of research.
:laugh: Why the hell should I have to? The film should bother to explain it. Not doing that is insulting to the audience, like they're expecting us not to ask questions.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 10:55:30 PM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:10:22 PMQuote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:06 PMA good director/writer knows when there's a need for explain something and when is not.
There's literally no excuse for not bothering to explain why a main character who died is suddenly resurrected.
This is off topic but I just want to point out that Xavier's resurrection is explained in X3 for those who were paying attention.
Now back to the main topic: "I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 & Resurrection" - Blomkamp
All I can say is, Thank God.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 26, 2015, 10:56:44 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 26, 2015, 10:56:44 PM
All they are saying is that they don't want to disrespect 3/4 -- it is still going to start anew.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:58:58 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:58:58 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 10:55:30 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:10:22 PMQuote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:06 PMA good director/writer knows when there's a need for explain something and when is not.
There's literally no excuse for not bothering to explain why a main character who died is suddenly resurrected.
This is off topic but I just want to point out that Xavier's resurrection is explained in X3 for those who were paying attention.
Now back to the main topic: "I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 & Resurrection" - Blomkamp
All I can say is, Thank God.
I thought HuDaFuK was referring to how Xavier magically got his body back. ???
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 11:06:01 PM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 11:06:01 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:58:58 PM
I thought HuDaFuK was referring to how Xavier magically got his body back. ???
Its shown in X3. The guy that he puts his mind into is his brain dead twin. The end credits show his waking up.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 10:56:44 PM
All they are saying is that they don't want to disrespect 3/4 -- it is still going to start anew.
But starting anew would be undoing Alien 3 & 4...Which Blomkamp says he isnt doing. What am I missing here?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 26, 2015, 11:07:00 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 26, 2015, 11:07:00 PM
He told The Guardian that it's what is going to happen. The problem with everyone is that they're taking things a bit literally.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 11:15:26 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 11:15:26 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 11:07:00 PM
He told The Guardian that it's what is going to happen. The problem with everyone is that they're taking things a bit literally.
Yeah, Blomkamp isn't going to pull a Equilibrium on Alien 3 and Resurrection.
"Burn it."
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 11:15:33 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 11:15:33 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 11:06:01 PMQuote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:58:58 PM
I thought HuDaFuK was referring to how Xavier magically got his body back. ???
Its shown in X3. The guy that he puts his mind into is his brain dead twin. The end credits show his waking up.
I saw that part, but his twin?! Whaaa?!?!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: szkoki on Feb 26, 2015, 11:17:39 PM
Post by: szkoki on Feb 26, 2015, 11:17:39 PM
and cancel this movie, if you dont want to continue with Ripley 8
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 11:22:20 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 11:22:20 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 10:55:30 PMYeah the Xavier thing was explained in the movie. His body back is a bit more obscure but a quick search explains it. But how he came back to life is explained.Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:10:22 PMQuote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:06 PMA good director/writer knows when there's a need for explain something and when is not.
There's literally no excuse for not bothering to explain why a main character who died is suddenly resurrected.
This is off topic but I just want to point out that Xavier's resurrection is explained in X3 for those who were paying attention.
Now back to the main topic: "I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 & Resurrection" - Blomkamp
All I can say is, Thank God.
I'm down with the alternate timeline but wouldn't mind too much if A3 and AR got retconned.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 11:31:04 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 11:31:04 PM
Still hoping this is an alternate timeline thing. Really am pulling for that!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 12:22:57 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 12:22:57 AM
Me da sueño ._.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 27, 2015, 12:28:57 AM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 27, 2015, 12:28:57 AM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 10:56:44 PM
All they are saying is that they don't want to disrespect 3/4 -- it is still going to start anew.
Did you ask Neill about his new pair of shoes while you had that conversation about the movies? just curious.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 12:31:42 AM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 12:31:42 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 11:31:04 PM
Still hoping this is an alternate timeline thing. Really am pulling for that!
He says he's not trying to undo alien 3 & 4, but that he just wants his film connected to the first two...Then Weaver says they are still working on the story and that its just beginning to be fleshed out. I am still cautiously optimistic that this wont be a pointless continuity destroying retcon but they dont even have the story fully formed so who knows what this film may end up being. :-\
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:32:03 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:32:03 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 27, 2015, 12:28:57 AMQuote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 10:56:44 PM
All they are saying is that they don't want to disrespect 3/4 -- it is still going to start anew.
Did you ask Neill about his new pair of shoes while you had that conversation about the movies? just curious.
I got the same vibe from what he said.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 27, 2015, 12:34:05 AM
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 27, 2015, 12:34:05 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 12:31:42 AMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 11:31:04 PM
Still hoping this is an alternate timeline thing. Really am pulling for that!
He says he's not trying to undo alien 3 & 4, but that he just wants his film connected to the first two...Then Weaver says they are still working on the story and that its just beginning to be fleshed out. I am still cautiously optimistic that this wont be a pointless continuity destroying retcon but they dont even have the story fully formed so who knows what this film may end up being. :-\
Exactly. It's way too early for people to be getting so upset. I really dislike how movies and such are becoming two-year-long cycles of announcements of announcements and hundreds of pages of speculation based on a few vague pieces of info.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:36:10 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:36:10 AM
It's all part of the fun, until people start clinging to early rumors (the kind that aren't coming straight from the director's/star's mouths) and falsely claiming them to be facts.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 12:50:16 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 12:50:16 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 12:31:42 AMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 11:31:04 PM
Still hoping this is an alternate timeline thing. Really am pulling for that!
He says he's not trying to undo alien 3 & 4, but that he just wants his film connected to the first two...Then Weaver says they are still working on the story and that its just beginning to be fleshed out. I am still cautiously optimistic that this wont be a pointless continuity destroying retcon but they dont even have the story fully formed so who knows what this film may end up being. :-\
Weaver also says, "I didn't like the way it was going and I felt we were... I think it is hard to manufacture a good story just because they want to make another one." It more or less sounds like they want to retcon the series, but just didn't want to say it outloud.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 12:51:58 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 12:51:58 AM
WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN????? I'M GOING INSANE!! LOL WE NEED TO KNOW! ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:46 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:46 AM
Easy.
Prometheus > Alien > Aliens > Alien 3 > Alien: Resurrection
Prometheus > Alien > Aliens > Alien 5 (or whatever it's going to be called)
Those are the two timelines, and within them feel free to pick and choose what you like/want to accept. Personal preference.
Prometheus > Alien > Aliens > Alien 3 > Alien: Resurrection
Prometheus > Alien > Aliens > Alien 5 (or whatever it's going to be called)
Those are the two timelines, and within them feel free to pick and choose what you like/want to accept. Personal preference.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 01:03:29 AM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 01:03:29 AM
...the next step is an ALIEN remake followed by a PROM reboot that ties into two separate retcons and a cancelled tv show. Can't wait...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 01:07:22 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 01:07:22 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:46 AM
Prometheus > Alien > Aliens > Alien 3 > Alien: Resurrection
Prometheus > Alien > Aliens > Alien 5 (or whatever it's going to be called)
AVP > AVP-R > Alien > Aliens > Alien 3 > Alien Resurrection.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:46 AM
Those are the two timelines, and within them feel free to pick and choose what you like/want to accept. Personal preference.
Three timelines.. If we can pick and choose now, we can also have the AvPs. Three choices. Three paths. You don't have to agree with me but considering now we're gonna have multiple timelines, might as well go buck wild.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 01:07:46 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 01:07:46 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 01:03:29 AMYou forgot to mention the two direct-to-SyFy channel reunion movies that are supposed to provide a closure in form of a trilogy but the third one never happens.
...the next step is an ALIEN remake followed by a PROM reboot that ties into two separate retcons and a cancelled tv show. Can't wait...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 01:11:22 AM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 01:11:22 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 01:07:46 AMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 01:03:29 AMYou forgot to mention the two direct-to-SyFy channel reunion movies that are supposed to provide a closure in form of a trilogy but the third one never happens.
...the next step is an ALIEN remake followed by a PROM reboot that ties into two separate retcons and a cancelled tv show. Can't wait...
Sorry about that. I was being too kind
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 01:15:17 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 01:15:17 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 12:31:42 AM
He says he's not trying to undo alien 3 & 4, but that he just wants his film connected to the first two...Then Weaver says they are still working on the story and that its just beginning to be fleshed out. I am still cautiously optimistic that this wont be a pointless continuity destroying retcon but they dont even have the story fully formed so who knows what this film may end up being. :-\
They don't have to address Alien 3 or even so much as erase it in anyway for it to be rendered as an alternate timeline. A lot of movies do this, and they leave the previous continuity intact without declaring it as non-canon. Again, I point to the Godzilla movies. Godzilla 1985 was a direct sequel to the original 1954 movie, ignoring the previous Showa era continuity. It didn't need time travel, it didn't need a cosmic event, it just ignored the previous movies and established a new continuity but the old movies were still canon to the original 1954. This is what I see happening here with Alien 3 and Resurrection.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 27, 2015, 01:18:39 AM
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 27, 2015, 01:18:39 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:36:10 AM
It's all part of the fun, until people start clinging to early rumors (the kind that aren't coming straight from the director's/star's mouths) and falsely claiming them to be facts.
That's fair. It doesn't help that the directors, writers, actors, etc. feed into it. I guess they have to-hype is important for putting butts in seats-but I just wonder how far it will eventually go.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:25:05 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:25:05 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 01:07:22 AMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:46 AM
Prometheus > Alien > Aliens > Alien 3 > Alien: Resurrection
Prometheus > Alien > Aliens > Alien 5 (or whatever it's going to be called)
AVP > AVP-R > Alien > Aliens > Alien 3 > Alien Resurrection.Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:46 AM
Those are the two timelines, and within them feel free to pick and choose what you like/want to accept. Personal preference.
Three timelines.. If we can pick and choose now, we can also have the AvPs. Three choices. Three paths. You don't have to agree with me but considering now we're gonna have multiple timelines, might as well go buck wild.
Sure. Watch whatever you enjoy, don't let anyone stop you.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 01:26:24 AM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 01:26:24 AM
If we're going to do retcons, why don't we get really crazy. Ignore Aliens and Alien 3 and do a sequel linking Alien to Resurrection, or even:
AVP > Alien 3
Aliens > Resurrection
AVPR > Prometheus > Aliens
Prometheus > Alien 3 > Resurrection
Predators > Alien > Resurrection
Prometheus 2 > Predator 2 > AVPR > Alien 3 > Resurrection
Predator > Prometheus > > Alien > Alien Resurrection
The possibilities for filling in the gaps are limitless.
AVP > Alien 3
Aliens > Resurrection
AVPR > Prometheus > Aliens
Prometheus > Alien 3 > Resurrection
Predators > Alien > Resurrection
Prometheus 2 > Predator 2 > AVPR > Alien 3 > Resurrection
Predator > Prometheus > > Alien > Alien Resurrection
The possibilities for filling in the gaps are limitless.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 01:27:48 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 01:27:48 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:25:05 AM
Sure. Watch whatever you enjoy, don't let anyone stop you.
Fox needs to make it official that there is more than one timeline! Minds.. Blown! Everyone f**king wins!
Canon at this point is pretty much pick and choose! Pick whatever toppings you want on your pizza, folks!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 01:34:23 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 01:34:23 AM
I dunno about that, there will always be those fans who will refuse to listen to Fox and just make up their own timelines. :-\
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 01:37:55 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 01:37:55 AM
Try and stop us! Muhahaha!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 01:40:28 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 01:40:28 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 01:34:23 AM
I dunno about that, there will always be those fans who will refuse to listen to Fox and just make up their own timelines. :-\
That is fine! Lots of other fandoms do that! Just make it official that there's more than one!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:42:14 AM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:42:14 AM
The fact that we're just getting another actual ALIEN movie with actual Xenomorphs in it makes me happy. Since Crap-mehteus obviously had/has no intention of doing it...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 01:53:50 AM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 01:53:50 AM
You know if you combined the original Giger/Scott vision what the alien was from the first film and combined it with the genetic manipulation of the fourth, you could get some pretty freaky storylines.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: elemental-of-all on Feb 27, 2015, 02:25:31 AM
Post by: elemental-of-all on Feb 27, 2015, 02:25:31 AM
4 months ago: Alien ressurection is shit, nobody likes it. They should just retcon it.
Today: Alien ressurection should stay with the timeline. They should continue with Ripley 8s story. Anything else is an insult.
Lol love it.
Today: Alien ressurection should stay with the timeline. They should continue with Ripley 8s story. Anything else is an insult.
Lol love it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:28:19 AM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:28:19 AM
Quote from: elemental-of-all on Feb 27, 2015, 02:25:31 AM
4 months ago: Alien ressurection is shit, nobody likes it. They should just retcon it.
Today: Alien ressurection should stay with the timeline. They should continue with Ripley 8s story. Anything else is an insult.
Lol love it.
No one is hailing A:R. People are just saying that it is a lame cop-out to retcon it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:29:25 AM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:29:25 AM
Quote from: elemental-of-all on Feb 27, 2015, 02:25:31 AM
4 months ago: Alien ressurection is shit, nobody likes it. They should just retcon it.
Today: Alien ressurection should stay with the timeline. They should continue with Ripley 8s story. Anything else is an insult.
Lol love it.
Im actually surprised to see the A:R support myself as well. I think everyone dislikes A:R, its just the idea of introducing a "retcon" to a franchise that has so far refrained from intruducing something that some feel has tainted a lot of modern movie franchises. And I wouldve agreed to some extent at one point, however if there was ever a time to see "what else couldve happened", it would be now.
I feel that A3 and to a greater extent A:R have hurt the franchise more than any "retcon" could, and at this point a retcon(or at least "resetting") of the story could reinvigorate it. Again, it doesnt have to be a movie similar to ALIENS, just use ALIENS as a jumping off point bc I feel there is more potential to a story there than at the end of A:R. I just really HATE Ripley 8, sorry. Plus, continuing from A:R would have to acknowledge all the events in A:R, which are just so stupid and goofy/corny. The only good thing A:R did right, was set itself 200 years after the trilogy so at least its so far removed from the first 3 that its easy to ignore/dismiss. Continuing from A:R would just dilute and hurt the Alien continuity storyline even worse.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:35:01 AM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:35:01 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:29:25 AMQuote from: elemental-of-all on Feb 27, 2015, 02:25:31 AM
4 months ago: Alien ressurection is shit, nobody likes it. They should just retcon it.
Today: Alien ressurection should stay with the timeline. They should continue with Ripley 8s story. Anything else is an insult.
Lol love it.
Im actually surprised to see the A:R support myself as well. I think everyone dislikes A:R, its just the idea of introducing a "retcon" to a franchise that has so far refrained from intruducing something that some feel has tainted a lot of modern movie franchises. And I wouldve agreed to some extent at one point, however if there was ever a time to see "what else couldve happened", it would be now.
Never been a big fan of A:R, but the idea to retcon it has never been an option to me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 02:36:17 AM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 02:36:17 AM
A:R was the first alien film i saw. I love it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:38:02 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:38:02 AM
Well, if people are going to complain about retconning titles then they should have done it earlier when Prometheus supposedly retconned the AVP films. Obviously, I get that nobody wanted those films to be canon but they still should have stuck up for the principle of not retconning films (like I did); now, if this new film really is a retcon then it's too late. It was inevitable that should fans think it's okay to retcon movies, then movie producers would take the next step and retcon even BIGGER things than AVP. It seems things are going as I predicted, but one thing I did not predict was how thrilled I'd be that Alien 3 (and Newt's death) would be the one getting the axe. Yay. ;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:38:39 AM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:38:39 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 02:36:17 AM
A:R was the first alien film i saw. I love it.
No offense, but thats probably bc it was the first you saw. On its own, A:R is a decent 90s action movie with an above average monster. But compared to the first 3........no
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 02:39:59 AM
Post by: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 02:39:59 AM
I freaking love A:R, I think it's an awesome movie.
But it doesn't fit much with the others :P Wouldn't be mad at all if it's left out of continuity.
But it doesn't fit much with the others :P Wouldn't be mad at all if it's left out of continuity.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:40:25 AM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:40:25 AM
As I said above,
I feel that A3 and to a greater extent A:R have hurt the franchise more than any "retcon" could, and at this point a retcon(or at least "resetting") of the story could reinvigorate it. Again, it doesnt have to be a movie similar to ALIENS, just use ALIENS as a jumping off point bc I feel there is more potential to a story there than at the end of A:R. I just really HATE Ripley 8, sorry. Plus, continuing from A:R would have to acknowledge all the events in A:R, which are just so stupid and goofy/corny. The only good thing A:R did right, was set itself 200 years after the trilogy so at least its so far removed from the first 3 that its easy to ignore/dismiss. Continuing from A:R would just dilute and hurt the Alien continuity storyline even worse.
I feel that A3 and to a greater extent A:R have hurt the franchise more than any "retcon" could, and at this point a retcon(or at least "resetting") of the story could reinvigorate it. Again, it doesnt have to be a movie similar to ALIENS, just use ALIENS as a jumping off point bc I feel there is more potential to a story there than at the end of A:R. I just really HATE Ripley 8, sorry. Plus, continuing from A:R would have to acknowledge all the events in A:R, which are just so stupid and goofy/corny. The only good thing A:R did right, was set itself 200 years after the trilogy so at least its so far removed from the first 3 that its easy to ignore/dismiss. Continuing from A:R would just dilute and hurt the Alien continuity storyline even worse.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:43:31 AM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:43:31 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:38:02 AM
Well, if people are going to complain about retconning titles then they should have done it earlier when Prometheus supposedly retconned the AVP films. Obviously, I get that nobody wanted those films to be canon but they still should have stuck up for the principle of not retconning films like I did; now, if this new film really is a retcon then it's too late. It was inevitable should fans think it's okay to retcon movies then movie producers would take the next step and retcon even BIGGER things than AVP.
Still trying to push your "everything is canon" crap on the rest of us, huh?
Just accept that people see Alien(s), Predator, AVP and even Prometheus as separate things / crossovers. Retconning two actual Alien movies is not the same as cementing the fact that there is only room for Alien movies within the Alien movie universe.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:47:55 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:47:55 AM
Nah, SpreadEagleBeagle, I'm just pointing out that you shouldn't demand so much for one series if you are just as unwilling to grant what you want to another. Fair's fair, right?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:51:42 AM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:51:42 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:47:55 AM
Nah, SpreadEagleBeagle, I'm just pointing out that you shouldn't demand so much for one series if you are just as unwilling to grant what you want to another. Fair's fair, right?
Sorry but you don't make any sense.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 02:53:35 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 02:53:35 AM
I think Predxeno is making this point.
If someone wants AVP canon with the alien series, or all the films as one/alternate timelines, then so be it.
If someone wants AVP canon with the alien series, or all the films as one/alternate timelines, then so be it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:55:08 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:55:08 AM
Long story short, why should the movie producers take special care about what Alien movie fans think should be canon if those same fans don't want them to care about what AVP movie fans think should be canon? The concept of continuity for the Alien and AVP films are the same, if the movie producers think they can toss one out the window then it won't be long before they do the same to the other; by advocating the removal of one set of films, a door is opened for movie producers to do the same to more movies. I know you view the Alien and AVP films as being in different worlds but no one in the movie business does that, they see it as one and the same, and if it already happened once...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:18 AM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:18 AM
Honestly, I think all movies should be canon in order to preserve the integrity of the series.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:41 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:41 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:55:08 AM
Long story short, why should the movie producers take special care about what Alien movie fans think should be canon if those same fans don't want them to care about what AVP movie fans think should be canon? The concept of continuity for the Alien and AVP films are the same, if the movie producers think they can toss one out the window then it won't be long before they do the same to the other.
Are you still saying that this is all one unified universe despite this film possibly, and I mean possibly being set in an alternate or separate timeline where the Prometheus movies also happened in?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 02:59:06 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 02:59:06 AM
2 cents:
I think a lot of fans who like or love A3 have worked so hard at presenting evidence as to why they think its a pretty darn good movie and see this a blow to the direction of the series.
I'm in that boat.
Because I think having Ripley is just a boring move when theres a whole universe to explore in Alien especially now Ripley's story has ended, whether you like the end or not.
I'm excited at the prospect of this new film, and I hope its amazing, but I'm dubious of the idea of having a marathon of the movies and suddenly getting to a "choose an ending, fork in the road". And yes that would still happen if all the films are meant to be canon.
However, it is only a movie in the end. So nothing to lose sleep over.
I think a lot of fans who like or love A3 have worked so hard at presenting evidence as to why they think its a pretty darn good movie and see this a blow to the direction of the series.
I'm in that boat.
Because I think having Ripley is just a boring move when theres a whole universe to explore in Alien especially now Ripley's story has ended, whether you like the end or not.
I'm excited at the prospect of this new film, and I hope its amazing, but I'm dubious of the idea of having a marathon of the movies and suddenly getting to a "choose an ending, fork in the road". And yes that would still happen if all the films are meant to be canon.
However, it is only a movie in the end. So nothing to lose sleep over.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 03:00:19 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 03:00:19 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:41 AMQuote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:55:08 AM
Long story short, why should the movie producers take special care about what Alien movie fans think should be canon if those same fans don't want them to care about what AVP movie fans think should be canon? The concept of continuity for the Alien and AVP films are the same, if the movie producers think they can toss one out the window then it won't be long before they do the same to the other.
Are you still saying that this is all one unified universe despite this film possibly, and I mean possibly being set in an alternate or separate timeline where the Prometheus movies also happened in?
No, I'm just saying that movie producers have acknowledged that fans don't want the AVP films as canon and now they have decided to take the idea one step further and decided to why not remove Alien 3 and A:R from canon. To them continuity between these franchises is the same, there is no difference between Alien and AVP; to them, if they can retcon the AVP films then it means they can likewise retcon the Alien films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 03:02:09 AM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 03:02:09 AM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:18 AM
Honestly, I think all movies should be canon in order to preserve the integrity of the series.
http://33.media.tumblr.com/326928a523ed061c1f7df6f4d249ed6c/tumblr_n0moiiuf6C1qaa8d1o3_500.gif
I feel the same way. The movies are canon. All of them, even the godawful AvP films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 03:03:43 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 03:03:43 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 02:59:06 AM
I'm excited at the prospect of this new film but are dubious of the idea of having a marathon of the movies and suddenly getting to a "choose an ending fork in the road". And yes that would still happen if all the films are meant to be canon.
Wiser words were never spoken.
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 03:00:19 AM
No, I'm just saying that movie producers have acknowledged that fans don't want the AVP films as canon and now they have decided to take the idea one step further and decided to why not remove Alien 3 and A:R from canon. To them continuity between these franchises is the same, there is no difference between Alien and AVP; to them, if they can retcon the AVP films then it means they can likewise retcon the Alien films.
The only way for Alien 3 and Resurrection to be retconned, and I mean truly retconned is if they were addressed in the movie and were made to be a hyperspace nightmare. That is a route I do not want to see the franchise go in. To me, retconning means addressing an error, re-writing it to better fit the existing material. Ignoring and disregarding is not the same thing as retconning.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:04:19 AM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:04:19 AM
Alien fans have always had different opinions on what they consider their own "personal canon". Its always been this way since a sequel to ALIEN came out in 1986. Its no different now. I personally dont consider the ALIEN franchise and AVP franchise in the same universe. AVP is a separate universe to me, and as a fan that makes the ALIEN films more pure and enjoyable for me imo bc in 1979, noone working on ALIEN considered other species like the Predator to exist.
But thats just me. Others will have different views, and that perfectly OK. Thats how ALIEN/Predator/AVP canon kinda works for hardcore fans like us.
But thats just me. Others will have different views, and that perfectly OK. Thats how ALIEN/Predator/AVP canon kinda works for hardcore fans like us.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 03:05:22 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 03:05:22 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 03:03:43 AMQuote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 03:00:19 AM
No, I'm just saying that movie producers have acknowledged that fans don't want the AVP films as canon and now they have decided to take the idea one step further and decided to why not remove Alien 3 and A:R from canon. To them continuity between these franchises is the same, there is no difference between Alien and AVP; to them, if they can retcon the AVP films then it means they can likewise retcon the Alien films.
The only way for Alien 3 and Resurrection to be retconned, and I mean truly retconned is if they were addressed in the movie and were made to be a hyperspace nightmare. That is a route I do not want to see the franchise go in. To me, retconning means addressing an error, re-writing it to better fit the existing material. Ignoring and disregarding is not the same thing as retconning.
Ah ok, I guess we had a difference of definition over the word "retcon".
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:06:11 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:06:11 AM
Damm this movie haven't even started being filmed and I already don't consider it canon. :D :D
Better luck with Prometheus 2 I hope.
Better luck with Prometheus 2 I hope.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 27, 2015, 03:09:16 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 27, 2015, 03:09:16 AM
... and uh, when it comes out and it's one of the best films the series has seen in years, will your opinion change then? Because I can see being upset or confused about a potential retcon, but judging the film itself based on that is silly.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:09:20 AM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:09:20 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:06:11 AM
Damm this movie haven't even started being filmed and I already don't consider it canon. :D :D
Better luck with Prometheus 2 I hope.
And I dont consider the Prometheus saga canon. Everyone has different opinions.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 27, 2015, 03:19:26 AM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 27, 2015, 03:19:26 AM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:18 AM
Honestly, I think all movies should be canon in order to preserve the integrity of the series.
The series hasn't had much integrity since Alien 3's production.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:20:36 AM
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:20:36 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 27, 2015, 03:09:16 AM
... and uh, when it comes out and it's one of the best films the series has seen in years, will your opinion change then? Because I can see being upset or confused about a potential retcon, but judging the film itself based on that is silly.
I never said it wasnt going to be good, personaly I think it will be on pair with the last movies which despite my disappointment I still enjoyed to some degree. But I wont consider this one to be part of the franchise just like I dont consider many comics.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 27, 2015, 03:26:58 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 27, 2015, 03:26:58 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:14 PM
Of course, we want the story finished but it is disgraceful how much Prometheus tried to advertise itself as an Alien movie when it wanted to be something completely different.
Jesus. The reason Scott had to do all the back peddling and start saying it was a 'sort of' prequel was exactly because of the expectations of fan boys wanting aliens all over the place. Not all prequels have to take the 'Darth Vader built C3PO route.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:56 AM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:56 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:38:02 AMFreaking THIS. Lot's of hypocrisy. You give them 5 inches, then they take 5 feet. The community pretty much gave their blessing after the AvP's. Now we deal with the consequences. We allowed it to happen.
Well, if people are going to complain about retconning titles then they should have done it earlier when Prometheus supposedly retconned the AVP films. Obviously, I get that nobody wanted those films to be canon but they still should have stuck up for the principle of not retconning films (like I did); now, if this new film really is a retcon then it's too late. It was inevitable that should fans think it's okay to retcon movies, then movie producers would take the next step and retcon even BIGGER things than AVP. It seems things are going as I predicted, but one thing I did not predict was how thrilled I'd be that Alien 3 (and Newt's death) would be the one getting the axe. Yay. ;D
But for most of us these are pretty cool consequences. Later on it might bite us in the ass but for now we are happy to get a pure alien film again.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 03:35:04 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 03:35:04 AM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:56 AM
but for now we are happy to get a pure alien film again.
So you were un-happy since 2012?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:38:29 AM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:38:29 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 03:35:04 AMI think we both know that wasn't a pure Alien film. But the answer would be no because I loved Prometheus. I'm happy to have a sequel happening there too. And Predator. What a time to be alive!Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:56 AM
but for now we are happy to get a pure alien film again.
So you were un-happy since 2012?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:40:12 AM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:40:12 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 03:35:04 AMQuote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:56 AM
but for now we are happy to get a pure alien film again.
So you were un-happy since 2012?
un-happy since 1997. At least in terms of "alien-only" movies. In actuality, ive been "unhappy" since 1992, but I digress.
Im VERY happy to be finally getting a PURE Alien-only movie since 1997. AVP movies didn't count bc it had predators in it, and Prometheus never wanted to be an Alien movie so I dont count it. Especially after the LAUGHABLE explanation for the Space Jockey...bald blue guy in a suit. So stupid. Just my opinion, though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 27, 2015, 03:48:58 AM
Post by: Gash on Feb 27, 2015, 03:48:58 AM
Marble white actually, that was sort of the point.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:54:03 AM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:54:03 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 27, 2015, 03:48:58 AM
Marble white actually, that was sort of the point.
ah of course, marble white. my mistake silly me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 03:56:10 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 03:56:10 AM
Blame Giger circa 1977.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 04:48:04 AM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 04:48:04 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 27, 2015, 03:26:58 AMQuote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:14 PM
Of course, we want the story finished but it is disgraceful how much Prometheus tried to advertise itself as an Alien movie when it wanted to be something completely different.
Jesus. The reason Scott had to do all the back peddling and start saying it was a 'sort of' prequel was exactly because of the expectations of fan boys wanting aliens all over the place. Not all prequels have to take the 'Darth Vader built C3PO route.
Prometheus 2 is said to venture even further away from Engineers and Aliens, if this is true then why even bother to introduce them in the first film (if not for a cheap marketing gimmick) if they're not even going to make an appearance in any of the sequels? Hell, I could make a Star Wars film featuring Barbie, her magical unicorn, and only a picture of Luke Skywalker in it, but that doesn't make it a film worthy of being in the same universe.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 07:15:31 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 07:15:31 AM
Machinima offers their insight on the Alien 5 movie... Which.. these two Dudebros seem to not really be in the loop of things if they were caught up as we are regarding Blomkamps statements.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX-gGI_DQlQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX-gGI_DQlQ#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX-gGI_DQlQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX-gGI_DQlQ#ws)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 08:25:23 AM
Post by: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 08:25:23 AM
I've not read all the posts since I last logged on, so forgive me if this old news.
Sigourney Weaver is on Kermode and Mayo's film show on Radio 5 Live today (1400 hrs GMT). They played a clip of the interview where Mayo references the reaction to her talking about the movie on a US chat show (the one where everyone cheered). He asked her if it was a "done deal" and she said "no, it's still a dream at this stage."
Not sure when the interview was done and the whole thing isn't out yet (to be fair, I'm getting my daughter ready for school, so not checked) - but that throws a spanner in any "officially on the project" stuff if its recent.
I'll try and listen in and report back.
Sigourney Weaver is on Kermode and Mayo's film show on Radio 5 Live today (1400 hrs GMT). They played a clip of the interview where Mayo references the reaction to her talking about the movie on a US chat show (the one where everyone cheered). He asked her if it was a "done deal" and she said "no, it's still a dream at this stage."
Not sure when the interview was done and the whole thing isn't out yet (to be fair, I'm getting my daughter ready for school, so not checked) - but that throws a spanner in any "officially on the project" stuff if its recent.
I'll try and listen in and report back.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 08:36:23 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 08:36:23 AM
Thanks. I'll try and flip onto it too.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 08:45:00 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 08:45:00 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:38:02 AMWell, if people are going to complain about retconning titles then they should have done it earlier when Prometheus supposedly retconned the AVP films.
The retcon in Prometheus was a lot less obvious and definitive though - most casual viewers probably didn't even notice Weyland Industries was now Weyland Corp.
What people are suggesting the new film will do is much more categorically overwrite the older films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 09:43:34 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 09:43:34 AM
It's simple, because of Blomkamp's new film we simply get separate timelines.
Alien, Aliens, Alien3, A:R.
Or
Prometheus, Prometheus Sequel(s) Alien, Aliens, Neill Blompkamp's Alien Sequel(s)
(I personally separate Prometheus from the originals due to Alien V's apparent link to Prometheus 2.)
Or
Predator, Predator 2, AVP, AVP:R, Alien, Aliens.
Or
Predator, Predator 2, Predator 3 (Shane Black), Predators, Prometheus (& Sequels) Alien, Aliens, Neill Blompkamp's Alien (& Sequels)
That's how I personally divide them up.
I can't wait for Neill Blompkamp's Alien and I'm so glad the "Everything is canon." Argument is 100% dead.
Alien, Aliens, Alien3, A:R.
Or
Prometheus, Prometheus Sequel(s) Alien, Aliens, Neill Blompkamp's Alien Sequel(s)
(I personally separate Prometheus from the originals due to Alien V's apparent link to Prometheus 2.)
Or
Predator, Predator 2, AVP, AVP:R, Alien, Aliens.
Or
Predator, Predator 2, Predator 3 (Shane Black), Predators, Prometheus (& Sequels) Alien, Aliens, Neill Blompkamp's Alien (& Sequels)
That's how I personally divide them up.
I can't wait for Neill Blompkamp's Alien and I'm so glad the "Everything is canon." Argument is 100% dead.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 27, 2015, 10:25:10 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 27, 2015, 10:25:10 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 09:43:34 AMThat'd make a great song.
"Everything is canon."
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
I guess the uproar from Alien 3 and Alien:R fans worked. I just saw Niel's statement. But it still makes no sense. How can you pick up from "Aliens" and have Ripley and Hicks alive without changing what happen in 3 and Resurrection? I'm confused by his statement. Unless it takes place After "Alien: R" and Ripley 8 is still a Clone and Hicks is a Clone or Andriod they used his DNA to recreate him.
Also for the people that say "Just do a new story without Ripley". Sorry, that's like the new "Star Wars' Episode VII movie not having Han, Luke or Leia or the new Terminator movie not having Arnold (When they didn't have Arnold it flopped). When people think Alien they think Ripley, I'm talking about general audences. I know the world is large and it's bigger than Ripley but she's the central character. As great as "Alien 3" was to me a child, killing off Ripley wasn't a great move for the franchise cause she's just a great character that should live on. She had such a tragic ending in Alien 3.
Also for the people that say "Just do a new story without Ripley". Sorry, that's like the new "Star Wars' Episode VII movie not having Han, Luke or Leia or the new Terminator movie not having Arnold (When they didn't have Arnold it flopped). When people think Alien they think Ripley, I'm talking about general audences. I know the world is large and it's bigger than Ripley but she's the central character. As great as "Alien 3" was to me a child, killing off Ripley wasn't a great move for the franchise cause she's just a great character that should live on. She had such a tragic ending in Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 11:26:12 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 11:26:12 AM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AMHow can you pick up from "Aliens" and have Ripley and Hicks alive without changing what happen in 3 and Resurrection?
Who says they're even in it? Weaver has made it clear she's far from signed on, and I still find it hard to believe they'd put out concept art of stuff they're seriously working on.
The fact is, nothing has been confirmed yet.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:51:35 AM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:51:35 AM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
I guess the uproar from Alien 3 and Alien:R fans worked. I just saw Niel's statement. But it still makes no sense. How can you pick up from "Aliens" and have Ripley and Hicks alive without changing what happen in 3 and Resurrection? I'm confused by his statement. Unless it takes place After "Alien: R" and Ripley 8 is still a Clone and Hicks is a Clone or Andriod they used his DNA to recreate him.
By simply ignoring A3 & A:R and not turning it into a dream or otherwise interfering with it.
Those movies will remain as they are for those who prefer them over the new Aliens sequel.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 12:03:16 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 12:03:16 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 11:51:35 AMQuote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
I guess the uproar from Alien 3 and Alien:R fans worked. I just saw Niel's statement. But it still makes no sense. How can you pick up from "Aliens" and have Ripley and Hicks alive without changing what happen in 3 and Resurrection? I'm confused by his statement. Unless it takes place After "Alien: R" and Ripley 8 is still a Clone and Hicks is a Clone or Andriod they used his DNA to recreate him.
By simply ignoring A3 & A:R and not turning it into a dream or otherwise interfering with it.
Those movies will remain as they are for those who prefer them over the new Aliens sequel.
Yeah you're probably right.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:09:20 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:09:20 PM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
Also for the people that say "Just do a new story without Ripley". Sorry, that's like the new "Star Wars' Episode VII movie not having Han, Luke or Leia or the new Terminator movie not having Arnold (When they didn't have Arnold it flopped). When people think Alien they think Ripley, I'm talking about general audences. I know the world is large and it's bigger than Ripley but she's the central character. As great as "Alien 3" was to me a child, killing off Ripley wasn't a great move for the franchise cause she's just a great character that should live on. She had such a tragic ending in Alien 3.
By that logic when we reach 2050 and Alien X: Neomorph is released, it should have Ripley in it?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 12:11:44 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 12:11:44 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:09:20 PMBy that logic when we reach 2050 and Alien X: Neomorph is released, it should have Ripley in it?
Alien V: Ripley
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 12:24:49 PM
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 12:24:49 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:09:20 PMQuote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
Also for the people that say "Just do a new story without Ripley". Sorry, that's like the new "Star Wars' Episode VII movie not having Han, Luke or Leia or the new Terminator movie not having Arnold (When they didn't have Arnold it flopped). When people think Alien they think Ripley, I'm talking about general audences. I know the world is large and it's bigger than Ripley but she's the central character. As great as "Alien 3" was to me a child, killing off Ripley wasn't a great move for the franchise cause she's just a great character that should live on. She had such a tragic ending in Alien 3.
By that logic when we reach 2050 and Alien X: Neomorph is released, it should have Ripley in it?
Of course when Sigourney passes away they will move on but while she's here the core franchise Ripley is the central character. Prometheus and
AVP were both non-Ripley. But if they really wanted to do non-ripley stories they could of started with "Alien Resurrection" as ripley was dead from Alien 3 but they didn't, they made her a clone cause they knew when it comes to general audiences they identify the Alien films with Ripley's character.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 12:30:33 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 12:30:33 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 11:26:12 AMQuote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AMHow can you pick up from "Aliens" and have Ripley and Hicks alive without changing what happen in 3 and Resurrection?
Who says they're even in it? Weaver has made it clear she's far from signed on, and I still find it hard to believe they'd put out concept art of stuff they're seriously working on.
The fact is, nothing has been confirmed yet.
Don't be surprised if a Queen shows up.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:31:06 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:31:06 PM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 12:24:49 PM
Of course when Sigourney passes away they will move on but while she's here the core franchise Ripley is the central character.
So all it will take for that is to be a was is the death of Weaver? Rather than the in-universe death of Ripley?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 12:37:41 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 12:37:41 PM
There are always around the death of a character in a franchise, especially when it comes to an established actor/actress who always plays said part.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:39:44 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:39:44 PM
Wait...what? :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Uncle Hernando on Feb 27, 2015, 12:41:40 PM
Post by: Uncle Hernando on Feb 27, 2015, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 12:24:49 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:09:20 PMQuote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
Also for the people that say "Just do a new story without Ripley". Sorry, that's like the new "Star Wars' Episode VII movie not having Han, Luke or Leia or the new Terminator movie not having Arnold (When they didn't have Arnold it flopped). When people think Alien they think Ripley, I'm talking about general audences. I know the world is large and it's bigger than Ripley but she's the central character. As great as "Alien 3" was to me a child, killing off Ripley wasn't a great move for the franchise cause she's just a great character that should live on. She had such a tragic ending in Alien 3.
By that logic when we reach 2050 and Alien X: Neomorph is released, it should have Ripley in it?
Of course when Sigourney passes away they will move on but while she's here the core franchise Ripley is the central character. Prometheus and
AVP were both non-Ripley. But if they really wanted to do non-ripley stories they could of started with "Alien Resurrection" as ripley was dead from Alien 3 but they didn't, they made her a clone cause they knew when it comes to general audiences they identify the Alien films with Ripley's character.
So it will just be a never ending game of cat and mouse where Ripley has no development because by any and all means she WILL be alive in the next installment and all the peril and destruction the alien represents is just... gone? Sounds pretty boring to me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 12:48:35 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 12:48:35 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:39:44 PM
Wait...what? :D
As long as Weaver is alive, they will find a way to bring Ripley back she is Weaver. When Weaver dies, then Ripley will stay dead because that character is her trademark.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:51:54 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:51:54 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 12:48:35 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:39:44 PM
Wait...what? :D
As long as Weaver is alive, they will find a way to bring Ripley back she is Weaver. When Weaver dies, then Ripley will stay dead because that character is her trademark.
You know, I think we should have Hudson come back because Paxton was awesome as that character. :-*
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Uncle Hernando on Feb 27, 2015, 12:52:38 PM
Post by: Uncle Hernando on Feb 27, 2015, 12:52:38 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 12:48:35 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:39:44 PM
Wait...what? :D
As long as Weaver is alive, they will find a way to bring Ripley back she is Weaver. When Weaver dies, then Ripley will stay dead because that character is her trademark.
It does seem like a rather odd cash cow, one that has gone sour over time for Weaver. Ripley can die without Weaver dying, they shouldn't be mutually exclusive, it's just sad that nobody is up to the task of writing another character in to fill her shoes.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:00 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:00 PM
Enter...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 01:08:59 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 01:08:59 PM
Quote from: Uncle Hernando on Feb 27, 2015, 12:52:38 PMRipley can die without Weaver dying, they shouldn't be mutually exclusive, it's just sad that nobody is up to the task of writing another character in to fill her shoes.
Yeah, this. It's a lot easier the just stick Ripley on the poster than develop someone new.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 01:19:29 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 12:11:44 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:09:20 PMBy that logic when we reach 2050 and Alien X: Neomorph is released, it should have Ripley in it?
Alien V: Ripley
That's not bad... For a human... ;)
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:09:20 PMQuote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
Also for the people that say "Just do a new story without Ripley". Sorry, that's like the new "Star Wars' Episode VII movie not having Han, Luke or Leia or the new Terminator movie not having Arnold (When they didn't have Arnold it flopped). When people think Alien they think Ripley, I'm talking about general audences. I know the world is large and it's bigger than Ripley but she's the central character. As great as "Alien 3" was to me a child, killing off Ripley wasn't a great move for the franchise cause she's just a great character that should live on. She had such a tragic ending in Alien 3.
By that logic when we reach 2050 and Alien X: Neomorph is released, it should have Ripley in it?
Well that applies to every major ongoing film series. At some point you will have to start fresh or pass the torch. I think fans will want to see a proper passing of the torch down the line or the right happily ever after moment...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 01:33:52 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 01:33:52 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 01:19:29 PM
At some point you will have to start fresh or pass the torch.
JP4 is doing just that and its looking to be a fresh new start. For the Alien series that point should be now.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 01:19:29 PM
I think fans will want to see a proper passing of the torch down the line or the right happily ever after moment...
Why does it need to "pass the torch"? Is it that obscure to just have a new torch?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:51:54 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 12:48:35 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:39:44 PM
Wait...what? :D
As long as Weaver is alive, they will find a way to bring Ripley back she is Weaver. When Weaver dies, then Ripley will stay dead because that character is her trademark.
You know, I think we should have Hudson come back because Paxton was awesome as that character. :-*
Your sarcasm is lost on me. That doesn't even make sense because Hudson isn't important.
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:00 PM
Enter...
http://ftg.operationsupplydrop.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/prometheus-elizabeth-shaw-500x281.jpg
It was either the writing or her acting, but I got no Ripley-esque vibes from her.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:36:01 PM
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:36:01 PM
I agree with you guys overall though. It shouldn't be about Ripley forever. But you have to think about the business side of the franchise too. You say "Alien" people say Surgorney Weaver. I would love some new Alien Stories with a new person in the lead. But I just don't see Fox doing that. I mean it's been what 18 years since Alien: Resurrection and they haven't done a new "Alien" only movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Uncle Hernando on Feb 27, 2015, 01:38:42 PM
Post by: Uncle Hernando on Feb 27, 2015, 01:38:42 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 01:19:29 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 12:11:44 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:09:20 PMBy that logic when we reach 2050 and Alien X: Neomorph is released, it should have Ripley in it?
Alien V: Ripley
That's not bad... For a human... ;)Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:09:20 PMQuote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
Also for the people that say "Just do a new story without Ripley". Sorry, that's like the new "Star Wars' Episode VII movie not having Han, Luke or Leia or the new Terminator movie not having Arnold (When they didn't have Arnold it flopped). When people think Alien they think Ripley, I'm talking about general audences. I know the world is large and it's bigger than Ripley but she's the central character. As great as "Alien 3" was to me a child, killing off Ripley wasn't a great move for the franchise cause she's just a great character that should live on. She had such a tragic ending in Alien 3.
By that logic when we reach 2050 and Alien X: Neomorph is released, it should have Ripley in it?
Well that applies to every major ongoing film series. At some point you will have to start fresh or pass the torch. I think fans will want to see a proper passing of the torch down the line or the right happily ever after moment...
Why does it have to be a happily ever after moment? Why can't it be in keeping with the dark depressing tone we have come to expect from the series? I thought the ending of Alien 3 was an amazingly refreshing piece of cinema that didn't have the overused trope of the family unit overcoming all and having a long happy life together.
Sure Ripley sacrificing herself to stop the alien threat was a trope in itself but one that was dealt with tastefully and with the blend of triumph with the bitter sting of death. Ripley is robbed of everything and in sacrificing what life she had left managed to succeed.
That was so much more satisfying and showing how emotionally mature David Fincher assumed the fans were, it's a credit to the series, characters and fans that they cidn't take the cheap option that would have been such a disservice to the Alien. This ugly cheap option that is now rearing it's ugly head once more.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:39:12 PM
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:39:12 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 01:33:52 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 01:19:29 PM
At some point you will have to start fresh or pass the torch.
JP4 is doing just that and its looking to be a fresh new start. For the Alien series that point should be now.Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 01:19:29 PM
I think fans will want to see a proper passing of the torch down the line or the right happily ever after moment...
Why does it need to "pass the torch"? Is it that obscure to just have a new torch?
They are doing a passing of the torch with the new Star Wars movie having Luke, Han and Leia bring in the new characters. Maybe have a new character in Alien 5 introduced that will move the franchise forward Post-Ripley.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 01:42:49 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 01:42:49 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
It was either the writing or her acting, but I got no Ripley-esque vibes from her.
That was my point.
Its a new character in the Alien-universe.
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:51:54 PM
Your sarcasm is lost on me. That doesn't even make sense because Hudson isn't important.
Importance of the characters role wasn't why I was joshing.
My point here was some were saying they want Ripley back because they like her character, and Weaver is still alive to play her. A lot of people like Hudson and Paxton is still alive. Hence josh.
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:39:12 PM
They are doing a passing of the torch with the new Star Wars movie having Luke, Han and Leia bring in the new characters. Maybe have a new character in Alien 5 introduced that will move the franchise forward Post-Ripley.
Star Wars is a totally different breed of movie. But your last point is what I'm saying.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: oduodu on Feb 27, 2015, 01:48:56 PM
Post by: oduodu on Feb 27, 2015, 01:48:56 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 04:48:04 AMQuote from: Gash on Feb 27, 2015, 03:26:58 AMQuote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:14 PM
Of course, we want the story finished but it is disgraceful how much Prometheus tried to advertise itself as an Alien movie when it wanted to be something completely different.
Jesus. The reason Scott had to do all the back peddling and start saying it was a 'sort of' prequel was exactly because of the expectations of fan boys wanting aliens all over the place. Not all prequels have to take the 'Darth Vader built C3PO route.
Prometheus 2 is said to venture even further away from Engineers and Aliens, if this is true then why even bother to introduce them in the first film (if not for a cheap marketing gimmick) if they're not even going to make an appearance in any of the sequels? Hell, I could make a Star Wars film featuring Barbie, her magical unicorn, and only a picture of Luke Skywalker in it, but that doesn't make it a film worthy of being in the same universe.
thanks predxeno
thats what i have been saying right from the start.
well said
could never understand if they want to go and study the engineer civilisation then do it why mess around with the goo anyway ??
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:50:14 PM
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:50:14 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 11:51:35 AMQuote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
I guess the uproar from Alien 3 and Alien:R fans worked. I just saw Niel's statement. But it still makes no sense. How can you pick up from "Aliens" and have Ripley and Hicks alive without changing what happen in 3 and Resurrection? I'm confused by his statement. Unless it takes place After "Alien: R" and Ripley 8 is still a Clone and Hicks is a Clone or Andriod they used his DNA to recreate him.
By simply ignoring A3 & A:R and not turning it into a dream or otherwise interfering with it.
Those movies will remain as they are for those who prefer them over the new Aliens sequel.
So Neil is saying, "You guys keep your Alien 3 and 4 and I'm going to make the real Aliens sequel everyone wanted"?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 02:10:53 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 01:42:49 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
It was either the writing or her acting, but I got no Ripley-esque vibes from her.
That was my point.
Its a new character in the Alien-universe.
And she's a boring character, too. Why would I want to root for her, exactly?
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:51:54 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
Your sarcasm is lost on me. That doesn't even make sense because Hudson isn't important.
Importance of the characters role wasn't why I was joshing.
My point here was some were saying they want Ripley back because they like her character, and Weaver is still alive to play her. A lot of people like Hudson and Paxton is still alive. Hence josh.
Ripley matters to the Alienverse. Hudson doesn't. But if we're talking about the actors, Ripley is the cornerstone and Weaver plays her best. Hudson is a throwaway meathead who could be be played by anyone.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 02:16:54 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 02:16:54 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 02:10:53 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 01:42:49 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
It was either the writing or her acting, but I got no Ripley-esque vibes from her.
That was my point.
Its a new character in the Alien-universe.
And she's a boring character, too. Why would I want to root for her, exactly?
I strongly believe David should have been the protagonist (Far more interesting, and ironically easy to relate to because all the people around him are so extreme.) Hopefully they can make her more interesting for the sequel as Ridley seems intent on following her.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 27, 2015, 02:19:03 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 27, 2015, 02:19:03 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 02:10:53 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 01:42:49 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
It was either the writing or her acting, but I got no Ripley-esque vibes from her.
That was my point.
Its a new character in the Alien-universe.
And she's a boring character, too. Why would I want to root for her, exactly?
Shaw annoyed me so much. I was hoping she'd get crushed at some point. Completely unlikeable, even smug and self-satisfied for a time. I wouldn't mind if Prometheus 2 opened up with her dying in cryosleep.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 02:19:40 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 02:19:40 PM
You'll be holding your breath longer than she has :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 02:20:41 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 02:20:41 PM
Every time I think of that film, my disdain for that hack Lindalof increases.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 02:21:40 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 02:21:40 PM
Swindleoff.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 02:23:15 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 02:23:15 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 02:19:40 PM
You'll be holding your breath longer than she has :P
You're likely correct, hence why I think the focus should shift entirely to David.
Maybe he questions who and what he really is, now that he's "free" -now that's a Prometheus sequel I'd like to see.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 02:26:02 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 02:26:02 PM
If I had to guess, David will be doing the real exploration and asking the better questions while the film will focus on Shaw, making her seem like the smart one without actually doing anything.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: oduodu on Feb 27, 2015, 02:27:30 PM
Post by: oduodu on Feb 27, 2015, 02:27:30 PM
lexx has a woman walking around with a robot head in her arms.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 02:28:02 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 02:28:02 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 02:26:02 PM
If I had to guess, David will be doing the real exploration and asking the better questions while the film will focus on Shaw, making her seem like the smart one without actually doing anything.
You're probably correct.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 02:39:47 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 02:39:47 PM
Weaver interview about to kick off on radio 5 live
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 02:42:49 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 02:42:49 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 02:39:47 PM
Weaver interview about to kick off on radio 5 live
Link Pls
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 02:43:47 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 02:43:47 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/5live (http://www.bbc.co.uk/5live)
Currently listening to Weaver talk about the Moose. My workmate can't stop pissing himself.
Currently listening to Weaver talk about the Moose. My workmate can't stop pissing himself.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 02:46:02 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 02:46:02 PM
Got on late, missed the Moose comments. :( Did she have anything interesting to say about Moose? Love what we've seen of that.
I like the comment about Dev Patel's character's robots in his home in Chappie. Very Blade Runner toy-esque.
I like the comment about Dev Patel's character's robots in his home in Chappie. Very Blade Runner toy-esque.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 02:47:25 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 02:47:25 PM
Nothing new. They're talking Alien now.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02kqyj6 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02kqyj6)
So this is pretty much all was said about Alien. Really makes it sound like they're not sure what they're doing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02kqyj6 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02kqyj6)
So this is pretty much all was said about Alien. Really makes it sound like they're not sure what they're doing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 02:52:54 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 02:52:54 PM
They built it up in the trailer and what they played in the morning was what they played. So, not sure when this was done, but it's all getting very confusing now. From greenlit and happening retcon to not tampering with 3 and 4 to still in dreamland.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 02:54:08 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 02:54:08 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 02:52:54 PMFrom greenlit and happening retcon to not tampering with 3 and 4 to still in dreamland.
Except they never said it was a retcon. How many times. All that's been confirmed is a fifth film is happening. Anything else is just speculation.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 02:56:03 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 02:56:03 PM
Thing is quite a few things they've said would indicate that is the case. "It's Alien, Aliens and then my film". No Ripley 8, etc.
I'm hoping not, personally. But that's how it looks to be leaning.
I'm hoping not, personally. But that's how it looks to be leaning.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 02:56:51 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 02:56:51 PM
FFS. I'm getting really bored of this constantly antagonistic attitude.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:34 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:34 PM
While I agree a lot of what Blomkamp has said implied retcon, no one else (specifically Weaver) is saying the same thing. And the studio has said nowt.
What antagonistic attitude? Show me where the new film has been confirmed as a retcon. It hasn't. But some people are acting like it has. And clearly the situation is currently far more fluid than that.
Quote from: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 02:56:51 PMFFS. I'm getting really bored of this constantly antagonistic attitude.
What antagonistic attitude? Show me where the new film has been confirmed as a retcon. It hasn't. But some people are acting like it has. And clearly the situation is currently far more fluid than that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 03:00:23 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 03:00:23 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:34 PM
While I agree a lot of what Blomkamp has said implied retcon, no one else (specifically Weaver) is saying the same thing. And the studio has said nowt.
Yeah, I know. I was fighting the assumption until he said Ripley 8 wouldn't be in it. That was the last nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:03:09 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:03:09 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:34 PM
While I agree a lot of what Blomkamp has said implied retcon, no one else (specifically Weaver) is saying the same thing. And the studio has said nowt.
She did mention Ripley floating in space, however.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 03:03:25 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 03:03:25 PM
I genuinely enjoy discussing these movies; that's what I come on here. What don't enjoy is having to debate semantics with someone who enjoys being obtuse. "Show me where it says this," "they never said that." The gist of my post was that there are confusing messages. But you knew that.
Anyway: ignore.
Anyway: ignore.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:05:52 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:05:52 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 01:08:59 PMThat's neither here nor there. Blomkamp wasn't working on a script for Fox. He just wrote in the characters he loved. And then he brought the idea to them. I'm sure the Fox executives are pretty happy with being able to splash her image all over the place though. If it was a team of writers working for Fox trying to think up a script then yeah your statement would have some possible weight but it doesn't apply in this situation.Quote from: Uncle Hernando on Feb 27, 2015, 12:52:38 PMRipley can die without Weaver dying, they shouldn't be mutually exclusive, it's just sad that nobody is up to the task of writing another character in to fill her shoes.
Yeah, this. It's a lot easier the just stick Ripley on the poster than develop someone new.
And I stated in another poster, keeping existing characters interesting and writing appropriate and escalating challenges for them is as hard as creating new characters and challenges. You get to skip some background and origins but you get the extra pressure of doing them justice. In this particular case, HUGE pressure. These are legendary characters.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:10:11 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:10:11 PM
Retcon or not, it doesn't matter. No matter what the finished film ends up being, fanboys will be screaming for Blomkamp's head on a stick because this or that or other was changed/left out.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 03:13:33 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 03:13:33 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:10:11 PM
Retcon or not, it doesn't matter. No matter what the finished film ends up being, fanboys will be screaming for Blomkamp's head on a stick because this or that or other was changed/left out.
But if the film gets a +85% on RT (The film is good.) it won't matter who says what.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:14:25 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:14:25 PM
At the end of the day, all that really matters is that Chappie comes out in six days. :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Who wants to see the Dog Alien return besides me?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 03:17:45 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:10:11 PM
Retcon or not, it doesn't matter. No matter what the finished film ends up being, fanboys will be screaming for Blomkamp's head on a stick because this or that or other was changed/left out.
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:05:52 PM
In this particular case, HUGE pressure. These are legendary characters.
I was talking to my mate about this today (and Prometheus). In a way, I almost felt sorry for Ridley Scott (as much as someone can feel sorry for someone who's living his lifelong dream and making a gazillion dollars doing it and has two of the top-rated sci-fi movies ever in his locker) - the expectation on Prometheus was so huge. Ultimately, it was (for me) OK/pretty good.
This is a similar thing for NB: regardless of "Chappie's" merits or lack thereof, this is a massive, massive task. Moreso than the directors of 3 and 4 faced, I think. The internet age and all that - the concept art went viral, sites, blogs, forums are hanging on to every single word that's said about it.
If this is even "very good" I fear it won't be enough. It's a massive gamble for NB, but the one thing is that he's young enough to have the balls to do it, he has great style and clearly loves the franchise.
That's if it happens (as I say above), with Sigourney Weaver's comments on the latest (or at least latest released, I don't know when it was recorded) interview, it now doesn't sound like it's a done deal. But who knows, she could just have being cautious?
(DoomRulz says this far more eloquently and succinctly than I do as I was writing this)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:21:07 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:21:07 PM
I also believe, and I'm saying this based on what I've seen on these boards, people will ultimately care more about the Alien and its portrayal in the film. Hardly surprising when consider the last couple of Alien-related outings weren't that friendly towards the creature.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 03:21:28 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 03:21:28 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Who wants to see the Dog Alien return besides me?
Perhaps, different variations if we can see dead animals in the same shot.
If the route he goes for is "Even MORE Aliens"- just hope to all that exists and doesn't that he doesn't include the A:R style Aliens.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 27, 2015, 03:22:22 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 27, 2015, 03:22:22 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:14:25 PM
At the end of the day, all that really matters is that Chappie comes out in six days. :)
Chappie got gangsta
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 03:28:16 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 03:28:16 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 03:13:33 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:10:11 PM
Retcon or not, it doesn't matter. No matter what the finished film ends up being, fanboys will be screaming for Blomkamp's head on a stick because this or that or other was changed/left out.
But if the film gets a +85% on RT (The film is good.) it won't matter who says what.
Undoubtedly. I'm gonna be miffed if it is a retcon. But if it turns out to be awesome, then I'll be fokken ecstatic.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:30:02 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:30:02 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 27, 2015, 03:22:22 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:14:25 PM
At the end of the day, all that really matters is that Chappie comes out in six days. :)
Chappie got gangsta
And stories.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:31:05 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:31:05 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 03:21:28 PM
If the route he goes for is "Even MORE Aliens"- just hope to all that exists and doesn't that he doesn't include the A:R style Aliens.
On that, the concept art featuring the Queen had a jungle background. I wonder if this film will be set on a planet overrun with Aliens?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:32:08 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:32:08 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 03:17:45 PMI think he needs to get ballsier and just not backpedal anymore about the A3 and A:R situations. He's avoiding the word retcon and has said he's not trying to delete those films, but everything he's said so far about the movie and what Weaver has said about Ripley mean they're getting retconned, even if it's in the form of an alternate timeline. So what if they haven't said the word itself. If someone asks you how you got here and you point at your car, you don't have to say it out loud for them to know you arrived by car.Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:10:11 PM
Retcon or not, it doesn't matter. No matter what the finished film ends up being, fanboys will be screaming for Blomkamp's head on a stick because this or that or other was changed/left out.Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:05:52 PM
In this particular case, HUGE pressure. These are legendary characters.
I was talking to my mate about this today (and Prometheus). In a way, I almost felt sorry for Ridley Scott (as much as someone can feel sorry for someone who's living his lifelong dream and making a gazillion dollars doing it and has two of the top-rated sci-fi movies ever in his locker) - the expectation on Prometheus was so huge. Ultimately, it was (for me) OK/pretty good.
This is a similar thing for NB: regardless of "Chappie's" merits or lack thereof, this is a massive, massive task. Moreso than the directors of 3 and 4 faced, I think. The internet age and all that - the concept art went viral, sites, blogs, forums are hanging on to every single word that's said about it.
If this is even "very good" I fear it won't be enough. It's a massive gamble for NB, but the one thing is that he's young enough to have the balls to do it, he has great style and clearly loves the franchise.
That's if it happens (as I say above), with Sigourney Weaver's comments on the latest (or at least latest released, I don't know when it was recorded) interview, it now doesn't sound like it's a done deal. But who knows, she could just have being cautious?
(DoomRulz says this far more eloquently and succinctly than I do as I was writing this)
And I agree thay Blomkamp just gave himself and incredibly hard job. Opposite of "cheap and easy." Hell with people saying stuff like that about him proves how many obstacles he has to break through.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:33:56 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:33:56 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:31:05 PMQuote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 03:21:28 PM
If the route he goes for is "Even MORE Aliens"- just hope to all that exists and doesn't that he doesn't include the A:R style Aliens.
On that, the concept art featuring the Queen had a jungle background. I wonder if this film will be set on a planet overrun with Aliens?
Looks to me like that forest is indoors, as part of a manmade artificial habitat.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:35:07 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:35:07 PM
Alien Zoo maybe?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:35:34 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:35:34 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:21:07 PMYeah that too. He loved the design in Isolation so I expect good things.
I also believe, and I'm saying this based on what I've seen on these boards, people will ultimately care more about the Alien and its portrayal in the film. Hardly surprising when consider the last couple of Alien-related outings weren't that friendly towards the creature.
I think he's going to want to implement the "scout/drone" Aliens aside from the Warrior ones in his movie. Both presenting different kind of threats.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 03:37:09 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 03:37:09 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:31:05 PMQuote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 03:21:28 PM
If the route he goes for is "Even MORE Aliens"- just hope to all that exists and doesn't that he doesn't include the A:R style Aliens.
On that, the concept art featuring the Queen had a jungle background. I wonder if this film will be set on a planet overrun with Aliens?
Either that or an artificial habitat.
Remember the habitat in the Prometheus concept art that Peter Weyland built? Something like that perhaps, and the Derelict (Seeing as it's arm isn't broken in the Alien V concept art.) is actually from LV-223, it would make sense considering the connections to the Prometheus sequel that have been popping up.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 03:38:45 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 03:38:45 PM
I may be imagining but the central column is kind of reminiscent of the concept artwork for the terraforming engine in Alien: Engineers.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:38:57 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:38:57 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:32:08 PMQuote from: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 03:17:45 PMI think he needs to get ballsier and just not backpedal anymore about the A3 and A:R situations. He's avoiding the word retcon and has said he's not trying to delete those films, but everything he's said so far about the movie and what Weaver has said about Ripley mean they're getting retconned, even if it's in the form of an alternate timeline. So what if they haven't said the word itself. If someone asks you how you got here and you point at your car, you don't have to say it out loud for them to know you arrived by car.Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:10:11 PM
Retcon or not, it doesn't matter. No matter what the finished film ends up being, fanboys will be screaming for Blomkamp's head on a stick because this or that or other was changed/left out.Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:05:52 PM
In this particular case, HUGE pressure. These are legendary characters.
I was talking to my mate about this today (and Prometheus). In a way, I almost felt sorry for Ridley Scott (as much as someone can feel sorry for someone who's living his lifelong dream and making a gazillion dollars doing it and has two of the top-rated sci-fi movies ever in his locker) - the expectation on Prometheus was so huge. Ultimately, it was (for me) OK/pretty good.
This is a similar thing for NB: regardless of "Chappie's" merits or lack thereof, this is a massive, massive task. Moreso than the directors of 3 and 4 faced, I think. The internet age and all that - the concept art went viral, sites, blogs, forums are hanging on to every single word that's said about it.
If this is even "very good" I fear it won't be enough. It's a massive gamble for NB, but the one thing is that he's young enough to have the balls to do it, he has great style and clearly loves the franchise.
That's if it happens (as I say above), with Sigourney Weaver's comments on the latest (or at least latest released, I don't know when it was recorded) interview, it now doesn't sound like it's a done deal. But who knows, she could just have being cautious?
(DoomRulz says this far more eloquently and succinctly than I do as I was writing this)
And I agree thay Blomkamp just gave himself and incredibly hard job. Opposite of "cheap and easy." Hell with people saying stuff like that about him proves how many obstacles he has to break through.
Exactly. I agree that NB just needs to make the movie he wants and ignore any hate. I personally love the direction he seems to be going in, and thank god no ripley 8/A:R continuation.
And as for the concept art habitat, I like the idea of W-Y being flushed out more as a company. Would love to see their brass, and possible actually bioenginner Aliens and maybe even piece back together the Derelict in that hangar/lab facility.
Personally, id love to see the movie take place on a NEW W-Y colony on a different planet other than LV-426
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:57:19 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:57:19 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:35:34 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:21:07 PMYeah that too. He loved the design in Isolation so I expect good things.
I also believe, and I'm saying this based on what I've seen on these boards, people will ultimately care more about the Alien and its portrayal in the film. Hardly surprising when consider the last couple of Alien-related outings weren't that friendly towards the creature.
I think he's going to want to implement the "scout/drone" Aliens aside from the Warrior ones in his movie. Both presenting different kind of threats.
What sort of threat do you mean? All Aliens do the same thing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 27, 2015, 04:05:49 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 27, 2015, 04:05:49 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:33:56 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:31:05 PMQuote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 03:21:28 PM
If the route he goes for is "Even MORE Aliens"- just hope to all that exists and doesn't that he doesn't include the A:R style Aliens.
On that, the concept art featuring the Queen had a jungle background. I wonder if this film will be set on a planet overrun with Aliens?
Looks to me like that forest is indoors, as part of a manmade artificial habitat.
Could be a Stanford torus. Note how the distant greenery seems to be arching upwards slightly.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 04:08:25 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 04:08:25 PM
That'd be interesting, though I'm wondering how likely it'd be to see Blomkamp another "ringworld" after working so heavily on Halo and then doing Elysium.
I'd love to see take another stab at a space station in the vein of Gateway Station, and let us really get to explore that sort of environment. Is that what Sevastopol was in Isolation?
I'd love to see take another stab at a space station in the vein of Gateway Station, and let us really get to explore that sort of environment. Is that what Sevastopol was in Isolation?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 27, 2015, 04:10:58 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 27, 2015, 04:10:58 PM
The Sevastopol was similar to Gateway - possibly cobbled together on top of an old ore refinery.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 04:14:47 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 04:14:47 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 04:08:25 PM
That'd be interesting, though I'm wondering how likely it'd be to see Blomkamp another "ringworld" after working so heavily on Halo and then doing Elysium.
I'd love to see take another stab at a space station in the vein of Gateway Station, and let us really get to explore that sort of environment. Is that what Sevastopol was in Isolation?
Wait, Halo?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 04:15:41 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 04:14:47 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 04:08:25 PM
That'd be interesting, though I'm wondering how likely it'd be to see Blomkamp another "ringworld" after working so heavily on Halo and then doing Elysium.
I'd love to see take another stab at a space station in the vein of Gateway Station, and let us really get to explore that sort of environment. Is that what Sevastopol was in Isolation?
Wait, Halo?
He worked on an adaptation briefly before it became District 9.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 04:18:43 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 04:18:43 PM
That's not strictly correct. He worked on Halo and it fell apart. So he did District 9 instead.
It was written by Alex Garland. The script sucked balls.
It was written by Alex Garland. The script sucked balls.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 04:19:55 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 04:19:55 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 04:14:47 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 04:08:25 PM
That'd be interesting, though I'm wondering how likely it'd be to see Blomkamp another "ringworld" after working so heavily on Halo and then doing Elysium.
I'd love to see take another stab at a space station in the vein of Gateway Station, and let us really get to explore that sort of environment. Is that what Sevastopol was in Isolation?
Wait, Halo?
Yeah, he was hired to direct the Peter Jackson-produced Halo film as his first feature, but production was a mess and it wound up getting canceled. Rather than kill all momentum, however, Jackson let Blomkamp keep on going and make another film and that's how District 9 came to be (which in and of itself is based on Blomkamp's Alive in Joburg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le3y0QlLjJE)). The mess of a production that was Halo basically turned Blomkamp off of working in an established franchise for good, it seemed, until the announcement of this Alien film.
Even though the Halo movie collapsed, Blomkamp did do this short film/commercial for Halo 3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtiSJ6mzFcU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtiSJ6mzFcU)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 27, 2015, 04:31:47 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 27, 2015, 04:31:47 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 03:33:56 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:31:05 PMQuote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 03:21:28 PM
If the route he goes for is "Even MORE Aliens"- just hope to all that exists and doesn't that he doesn't include the A:R style Aliens.
On that, the concept art featuring the Queen had a jungle background. I wonder if this film will be set on a planet overrun with Aliens?
Looks to me like that forest is indoors, as part of a manmade artificial habitat.
Didn't one of the early Alien 3 drafts have something like this? Think it was the one which had Hicks as the main protagonist...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 04:35:53 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 04:35:53 PM
Well it's very Aliens inspired but then Halo is in general.
James Cameron really uses the color blue to his advantage as much as possible. One could say blue is his muse. The color balance of this footage is very uninspired, but that could be prior to final editing which never happened. The color blue is intrinsic to Aliens. Watch it again, nearly everything is bathed in that color (unless its red to contrast the scene during moments of high action). It takes a master to control the color like that and time will tell if Blomkamp can do it. But even if he succeeds, it will just be an homage to Cameron. I am cautiously optimistic is all I can say.
James Cameron really uses the color blue to his advantage as much as possible. One could say blue is his muse. The color balance of this footage is very uninspired, but that could be prior to final editing which never happened. The color blue is intrinsic to Aliens. Watch it again, nearly everything is bathed in that color (unless its red to contrast the scene during moments of high action). It takes a master to control the color like that and time will tell if Blomkamp can do it. But even if he succeeds, it will just be an homage to Cameron. I am cautiously optimistic is all I can say.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 04:41:13 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 04:41:13 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 04:19:55 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 04:14:47 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 04:08:25 PM
That'd be interesting, though I'm wondering how likely it'd be to see Blomkamp another "ringworld" after working so heavily on Halo and then doing Elysium.
I'd love to see take another stab at a space station in the vein of Gateway Station, and let us really get to explore that sort of environment. Is that what Sevastopol was in Isolation?
Wait, Halo?
Yeah, he was hired to direct the Peter Jackson-produced Halo film as his first feature, but production was a mess and it wound up getting canceled. Rather than kill all momentum, however, Jackson let Blomkamp keep on going and make another film and that's how District 9 came to be (which in and of itself is based on Blomkamp's Alive in Joburg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le3y0QlLjJE)). The mess of a production that was Halo basically turned Blomkamp off of working in an established franchise for good, it seemed, until the announcement of this Alien film.
Even though the Halo movie collapsed, Blomkamp did do this short film/commercial for Halo 3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtiSJ6mzFcU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtiSJ6mzFcU)
That explains why I thought I was seeing a Halo trailer when I first saw the D9 trailer.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 05:42:09 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 05:42:09 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:34 PM
While I agree a lot of what Blomkamp has said implied retcon, no one else (specifically Weaver) is saying the same thing. And the studio has said nowt.
Well, Weaver did say, "I didn't like the way it was going and I felt we were... I think it is hard to manufacture a good story just because they want to make another one," in the latest interview. Choose to interpret it how you will, but I like to think she's hinting at a retcon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:44:41 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 05:44:41 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 05:42:09 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:34 PM
While I agree a lot of what Blomkamp has said implied retcon, no one else (specifically Weaver) is saying the same thing. And the studio has said nowt.
Well, Weaver did say, "I didn't like the way it was going and I felt we were... I think it is hard to manufacture a good story just because they want to make another one," in the latest interview. Choose to interpret it how you will, but I like to think she's hinting at a retcon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ)
Pretty sure she's referring to either sequels in general or A:R.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 06:32:18 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 06:32:18 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:57:19 PMWell I mean to say I hope he makes a distinction between each version's attack patterns. Obviously the Warrior aliens can be sneaky and stealthy too. But I like to think they're still not as intelligent as the Scout/Drone.Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:35:34 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:21:07 PMYeah that too. He loved the design in Isolation so I expect good things.
I also believe, and I'm saying this based on what I've seen on these boards, people will ultimately care more about the Alien and its portrayal in the film. Hardly surprising when consider the last couple of Alien-related outings weren't that friendly towards the creature.
I think he's going to want to implement the "scout/drone" Aliens aside from the Warrior ones in his movie. Both presenting different kind of threats.
What sort of threat do you mean? All Aliens do the same thing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 27, 2015, 06:43:11 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 27, 2015, 06:43:11 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 03:00:19 AMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:41 AMQuote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:55:08 AM
Long story short, why should the movie producers take special care about what Alien movie fans think should be canon if those same fans don't want them to care about what AVP movie fans think should be canon? The concept of continuity for the Alien and AVP films are the same, if the movie producers think they can toss one out the window then it won't be long before they do the same to the other.
Are you still saying that this is all one unified universe despite this film possibly, and I mean possibly being set in an alternate or separate timeline where the Prometheus movies also happened in?
No, I'm just saying that movie producers have acknowledged that fans don't want the AVP films as canon and now they have decided to take the idea one step further and decided to why not remove Alien 3 and A:R from canon. To them continuity between these franchises is the same, there is no difference between Alien and AVP; to them, if they can retcon the AVP films then it means they can likewise retcon the Alien films.
Do you go often to play golf with those producers?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 06:53:34 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 06:53:34 PM
Don't have to, it's clear as day now; fans wanted the AVP films invalidated so the producers invalidated it, now the producers remember how people hate Alien 3 and now they're going to invalidate it as well.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 06:55:01 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 06:55:01 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 06:53:34 PM
Don't have to, it's clear as day now; fans wanted the AVP films invalidated so the producers invalidated it, now the producers remember how people hate Alien 3 and now they're going to invalidate it as well.
No Blomkamp had an idea for a story and they approached him. Duh.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 06:55:28 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 06:55:28 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 06:32:18 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:57:19 PMWell I mean to say I hope he makes a distinction between each version's attack patterns. Obviously the Warrior aliens can be sneaky and stealthy too. But I like to think they're still not as intelligent as the Scout/Drone.Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:35:34 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:21:07 PMYeah that too. He loved the design in Isolation so I expect good things.
I also believe, and I'm saying this based on what I've seen on these boards, people will ultimately care more about the Alien and its portrayal in the film. Hardly surprising when consider the last couple of Alien-related outings weren't that friendly towards the creature.
I think he's going to want to implement the "scout/drone" Aliens aside from the Warrior ones in his movie. Both presenting different kind of threats.
What sort of threat do you mean? All Aliens do the same thing.
They're the same animal.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 27, 2015, 07:00:02 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 27, 2015, 07:00:02 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 27, 2015, 02:19:03 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 02:10:53 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 01:42:49 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
It was either the writing or her acting, but I got no Ripley-esque vibes from her.
That was my point.
Its a new character in the Alien-universe.
And she's a boring character, too. Why would I want to root for her, exactly?
Shaw annoyed me so much. I was hoping she'd get crushed at some point. Completely unlikeable, even smug and self-satisfied for a time. I wouldn't mind if Prometheus 2 opened up with her dying in cryosleep.
+1
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 27, 2015, 07:13:24 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 27, 2015, 07:13:24 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 06:32:18 PM
Well I mean to say I hope he makes a distinction between each version's attack patterns. Obviously the Warrior aliens can be sneaky and stealthy too. But I like to think they're still not as intelligent as the Scout/Drone.
"Drones" and "Warriors" are not different kinds of Alien...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 07:28:43 PM
Post by: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 07:28:43 PM
I kind of like to think that they were - the ones in the Queens egg chamber seemed slower and less aggressive (I know she shouted at them go back... in... errr... xenoese..), but I've never seen anything to substantiate that thought (probably cos there isn't). But still - I liked (to pretend) that there was a hierarchy of sorts.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 27, 2015, 07:30:08 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Feb 27, 2015, 07:30:08 PM
Of course they were slower. Ripley had a gun she could have used against the Eggs. They're not dumb.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 07:32:30 PM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 07:32:30 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 07:28:43 PM
I kind of like to think that they were - the ones in the Queens egg chamber seemed slower and less aggressive (I know she shouted at them go back... in... errr... xenoese..), but I've never seen anything to substantiate that thought (probably cos there isn't). But still - I liked (to pretend) that there was a hierarchy of sorts.
They were slow so as to deliberately trap Ripley without rushing in and inadvertently causing the queen or eggs to be hurt.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 07:33:37 PM
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 27, 2015, 07:13:24 PMQuote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 06:32:18 PM
Well I mean to say I hope he makes a distinction between each version's attack patterns. Obviously the Warrior aliens can be sneaky and stealthy too. But I like to think they're still not as intelligent as the Scout/Drone.
"Drones" and "Warriors" are not different kinds of Alien...
I think that more or less depends on who you ask; some developers say they are and some say they aren't.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 27, 2015, 07:36:05 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 27, 2015, 07:36:05 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 04:35:53 PM
Well it's very Aliens inspired but then Halo is in general.
James Cameron really uses the color blue to his advantage as much as possible. One could say blue is his muse. The color balance of this footage is very uninspired, but that could be prior to final editing which never happened. The color blue is intrinsic to Aliens. Watch it again, nearly everything is bathed in that color (unless its red to contrast the scene during moments of high action). It takes a master to control the color like that and time will tell if Blomkamp can do it. But even if he succeeds, it will just be an homage to Cameron. I am cautiously optimistic is all I can say.
Yes, that short/commercial is really mediocre.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 27, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 27, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
They're in the pipe, five by five.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 09:32:11 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 09:32:11 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 06:55:28 PMThere's many types of dogs with varying traits yet they're all dogs.Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 06:32:18 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:57:19 PMWell I mean to say I hope he makes a distinction between each version's attack patterns. Obviously the Warrior aliens can be sneaky and stealthy too. But I like to think they're still not as intelligent as the Scout/Drone.Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:35:34 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:21:07 PMYeah that too. He loved the design in Isolation so I expect good things.
I also believe, and I'm saying this based on what I've seen on these boards, people will ultimately care more about the Alien and its portrayal in the film. Hardly surprising when consider the last couple of Alien-related outings weren't that friendly towards the creature.
I think he's going to want to implement the "scout/drone" Aliens aside from the Warrior ones in his movie. Both presenting different kind of threats.
What sort of threat do you mean? All Aliens do the same thing.
They're the same animal.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 09:32:36 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 09:32:36 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
They're in the pipe, five by five.
That better not be one express elevator to hell. Goin down...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:35:06 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:35:06 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 09:32:36 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
They're in the pipe, five by five.
That better not be one express elevator to hell. Goin down...
Unfortunately I think it is... Siggy, get that parachute and get off while there's still time!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 27, 2015, 10:20:04 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 27, 2015, 10:20:04 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:35:06 PMShe's already fallen into the fire once, no parachute. Why would this time be any different?Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 09:32:36 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
They're in the pipe, five by five.
That better not be one express elevator to hell. Goin down...
Unfortunately I think it is... Siggy, get that parachute and get off while there's still time!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 10:29:51 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 10:29:51 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 27, 2015, 10:20:04 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:35:06 PMShe's already fallen into the fire once, no parachute. Why would this time be any different?Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 09:32:36 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
They're in the pipe, five by five.
That better not be one express elevator to hell. Goin down...
Unfortunately I think it is... Siggy, get that parachute and get off while there's still time!
Yeah, it was called Alien Resurrection. Hopefully this new movie can fix that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 11:29:13 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 11:29:13 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 10:29:51 PMQuote from: whiterabbit on Feb 27, 2015, 10:20:04 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:35:06 PMShe's already fallen into the fire once, no parachute. Why would this time be any different?Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 09:32:36 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
They're in the pipe, five by five.
That better not be one express elevator to hell. Goin down...
Unfortunately I think it is... Siggy, get that parachute and get off while there's still time!
Yeah, it was called Alien Resurrection. Hopefully this new movie can fix that.
By making it worse?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:36:12 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:36:12 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 11:29:13 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 10:29:51 PMQuote from: whiterabbit on Feb 27, 2015, 10:20:04 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:35:06 PMShe's already fallen into the fire once, no parachute. Why would this time be any different?Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 09:32:36 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
They're in the pipe, five by five.
That better not be one express elevator to hell. Goin down...
Unfortunately I think it is... Siggy, get that parachute and get off while there's still time!
Yeah, it was called Alien Resurrection. Hopefully this new movie can fix that.
By making it worse?
Nope by undoing it. A3 has its moments but took a bad direction most didn't like and still don't. Resurrection however, is irredeemable imo. Absolute garbage. Contrived dumb cloning excuse to bring back Ripley, and couldn't even make it the "same" Ripley we all love. At least ignoring A3/A:R will allow real Ripley to return without a dumb unbelievable excuse. Ripley 8 is, as Ive said, a bad character that is the opposite of everything original REAL Ripley stood for. ripley 8 sympathies with the aliens and is in fact PART alien....like wtf??? Add goofy silly stupid situation/scenes, bad supporting characters.....urrgg. I dont need to explain why A:R sucks everyone agrees.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 11:45:01 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 11:45:01 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:36:12 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 11:29:13 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 10:29:51 PMQuote from: whiterabbit on Feb 27, 2015, 10:20:04 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:35:06 PMShe's already fallen into the fire once, no parachute. Why would this time be any different?Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 09:32:36 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
They're in the pipe, five by five.
That better not be one express elevator to hell. Goin down...
Unfortunately I think it is... Siggy, get that parachute and get off while there's still time!
Yeah, it was called Alien Resurrection. Hopefully this new movie can fix that.
By making it worse?
Nope by undoing it. A3 has its moments but took a bad direction most didn't like and still don't. Resurrection however, is irredeemable imo. Absolute garbage. Contrived dumb cloning excuse to bring back Ripley, and couldn't even make it the "same" Ripley we all love. At least ignoring A3/A:R will allow real Ripley to return without a dumb unbelievable excuse. Ripley 8 is, as Ive said, a bad character that is the opposite of everything original REAL Ripley stood for. ripley 8 sympathies with the aliens and is in fact PART alien....like wtf??? Add goofy silly stupid situation/scenes, bad supporting characters.....urrgg. I dont need to explain why A:R sucks everyone agrees.
Not really. ALIENS is just as immature as A:R but has better designs, more like able characters and is less goofy. Other than that it's pretty dumb. Powerloader vs Queen - I rest my case
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 11:47:19 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 11:47:19 PM
Power loader versus Queen has setup, and is an earned corny moment- nothing in A:R is earned.
If you start arguing that A:R and Aliens are nearly the same- you're just wrong and there's no two ways about it.
If you start arguing that A:R and Aliens are nearly the same- you're just wrong and there's no two ways about it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:49:14 PM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:49:14 PM
Even the power loader vs queen is semi believable enough. It wasn't so completely over the top and not drawn out too long. Only the opening of the airlock is not believable and is SO forgivable. Its sci-fi after all, it can be explained away with futuristic pressurization tech.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 28, 2015, 12:23:33 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 28, 2015, 12:23:33 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 11:47:19 PM
Power loader versus Queen has setup, and is an earned corny moment- nothing in A:R is earned.
If you start arguing that A:R and Aliens are nearly the same- you're just wrong and there's no two ways about it.
Mmhmm.
Spoiler
F*ckin' A.
[close]
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 28, 2015, 12:48:05 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 28, 2015, 12:48:05 AM
Holy crap, Aliens is a hollywood institution while A|R is ffffurenCH! 'nough said. :'(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUG9h7S84GE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUG9h7S84GE#ws)
^^ that's basically what Alien³ is. That extra nut no one asked for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUG9h7S84GE#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUG9h7S84GE#ws)
^^ that's basically what Alien³ is. That extra nut no one asked for.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 28, 2015, 02:00:22 AM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 28, 2015, 02:00:22 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 11:45:01 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:36:12 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 11:29:13 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 10:29:51 PMQuote from: whiterabbit on Feb 27, 2015, 10:20:04 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:35:06 PMShe's already fallen into the fire once, no parachute. Why would this time be any different?Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 09:32:36 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
They're in the pipe, five by five.
That better not be one express elevator to hell. Goin down...
Unfortunately I think it is... Siggy, get that parachute and get off while there's still time!
Yeah, it was called Alien Resurrection. Hopefully this new movie can fix that.
By making it worse?
Nope by undoing it. A3 has its moments but took a bad direction most didn't like and still don't. Resurrection however, is irredeemable imo. Absolute garbage. Contrived dumb cloning excuse to bring back Ripley, and couldn't even make it the "same" Ripley we all love. At least ignoring A3/A:R will allow real Ripley to return without a dumb unbelievable excuse. Ripley 8 is, as Ive said, a bad character that is the opposite of everything original REAL Ripley stood for. ripley 8 sympathies with the aliens and is in fact PART alien....like wtf??? Add goofy silly stupid situation/scenes, bad supporting characters.....urrgg. I dont need to explain why A:R sucks everyone agrees.
Not really. ALIENS is just as immature as A:R but has better designs, more like able characters and is less goofy. Other than that it's pretty dumb. Powerloader vs Queen - I rest my case
A:R script is not great,that for sure, but the biggest problem is the tone the director decided to imprint on the movie. A cartoonish/slapstick tone that didn't fit at all with the Alien universe. Also, some of the designs where pretty bad. If it wasn't related to the Alien universe it would be a quite fun and entertaining movie, but in the that universe it does not fit at all.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 02:10:05 AM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 02:10:05 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 28, 2015, 02:00:22 AMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 11:45:01 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:36:12 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 11:29:13 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 10:29:51 PMQuote from: whiterabbit on Feb 27, 2015, 10:20:04 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:35:06 PMShe's already fallen into the fire once, no parachute. Why would this time be any different?Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 09:32:36 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
They're in the pipe, five by five.
That better not be one express elevator to hell. Goin down...
Unfortunately I think it is... Siggy, get that parachute and get off while there's still time!
Yeah, it was called Alien Resurrection. Hopefully this new movie can fix that.
By making it worse?
Nope by undoing it. A3 has its moments but took a bad direction most didn't like and still don't. Resurrection however, is irredeemable imo. Absolute garbage. Contrived dumb cloning excuse to bring back Ripley, and couldn't even make it the "same" Ripley we all love. At least ignoring A3/A:R will allow real Ripley to return without a dumb unbelievable excuse. Ripley 8 is, as Ive said, a bad character that is the opposite of everything original REAL Ripley stood for. ripley 8 sympathies with the aliens and is in fact PART alien....like wtf??? Add goofy silly stupid situation/scenes, bad supporting characters.....urrgg. I dont need to explain why A:R sucks everyone agrees.
Not really. ALIENS is just as immature as A:R but has better designs, more like able characters and is less goofy. Other than that it's pretty dumb. Powerloader vs Queen - I rest my case
A:R script is not great,that for sure, but the biggest problem is the tone the director decided to imprint on the movie. A cartoonish/slapstick tone that didn't fit at all with the Alien universe. Also, some of the designs where pretty bad. If it wasn't related to the Alien universe it would be a quite fun and entertaining movie, but in the that universe it does not fit at all.
Agreed. Its as if A:R was written as a comedy, but the actors played it straight. As you said, good popcorn flick on its own, but a TERRIBLE "Alien" movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 02:14:01 AM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 02:14:01 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 02:10:05 AMQuote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 28, 2015, 02:00:22 AMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 11:45:01 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:36:12 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 11:29:13 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 10:29:51 PMQuote from: whiterabbit on Feb 27, 2015, 10:20:04 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:35:06 PMShe's already fallen into the fire once, no parachute. Why would this time be any different?Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 09:32:36 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
They're in the pipe, five by five.
That better not be one express elevator to hell. Goin down...
Unfortunately I think it is... Siggy, get that parachute and get off while there's still time!
Yeah, it was called Alien Resurrection. Hopefully this new movie can fix that.
By making it worse?
Nope by undoing it. A3 has its moments but took a bad direction most didn't like and still don't. Resurrection however, is irredeemable imo. Absolute garbage. Contrived dumb cloning excuse to bring back Ripley, and couldn't even make it the "same" Ripley we all love. At least ignoring A3/A:R will allow real Ripley to return without a dumb unbelievable excuse. Ripley 8 is, as Ive said, a bad character that is the opposite of everything original REAL Ripley stood for. ripley 8 sympathies with the aliens and is in fact PART alien....like wtf??? Add goofy silly stupid situation/scenes, bad supporting characters.....urrgg. I dont need to explain why A:R sucks everyone agrees.
Not really. ALIENS is just as immature as A:R but has better designs, more like able characters and is less goofy. Other than that it's pretty dumb. Powerloader vs Queen - I rest my case
A:R script is not great,that for sure, but the biggest problem is the tone the director decided to imprint on the movie. A cartoonish/slapstick tone that didn't fit at all with the Alien universe. Also, some of the designs where pretty bad. If it wasn't related to the Alien universe it would be a quite fun and entertaining movie, but in the that universe it does not fit at all.
Agreed. Its as if A:R was written as a comedy, but the actors played it straight. As you said, good popcorn flick on its own, but a TERRIBLE "Alien" movie.
Never said I was a fan of A:R.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 02:18:25 AM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 02:18:25 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 02:14:01 AMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 02:10:05 AMQuote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 28, 2015, 02:00:22 AMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 11:45:01 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:36:12 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 11:29:13 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 10:29:51 PMQuote from: whiterabbit on Feb 27, 2015, 10:20:04 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:35:06 PMShe's already fallen into the fire once, no parachute. Why would this time be any different?Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 09:32:36 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
They're in the pipe, five by five.
That better not be one express elevator to hell. Goin down...
Unfortunately I think it is... Siggy, get that parachute and get off while there's still time!
Yeah, it was called Alien Resurrection. Hopefully this new movie can fix that.
By making it worse?
Nope by undoing it. A3 has its moments but took a bad direction most didn't like and still don't. Resurrection however, is irredeemable imo. Absolute garbage. Contrived dumb cloning excuse to bring back Ripley, and couldn't even make it the "same" Ripley we all love. At least ignoring A3/A:R will allow real Ripley to return without a dumb unbelievable excuse. Ripley 8 is, as Ive said, a bad character that is the opposite of everything original REAL Ripley stood for. ripley 8 sympathies with the aliens and is in fact PART alien....like wtf??? Add goofy silly stupid situation/scenes, bad supporting characters.....urrgg. I dont need to explain why A:R sucks everyone agrees.
Not really. ALIENS is just as immature as A:R but has better designs, more like able characters and is less goofy. Other than that it's pretty dumb. Powerloader vs Queen - I rest my case
A:R script is not great,that for sure, but the biggest problem is the tone the director decided to imprint on the movie. A cartoonish/slapstick tone that didn't fit at all with the Alien universe. Also, some of the designs where pretty bad. If it wasn't related to the Alien universe it would be a quite fun and entertaining movie, but in the that universe it does not fit at all.
Agreed. Its as if A:R was written as a comedy, but the actors played it straight. As you said, good popcorn flick on its own, but a TERRIBLE "Alien" movie.
Never said I was a fan of A:R.
I dont think anyone really is. Thats why it shouldn't take place after A:R. At least right now, A:R is so far removed from the first 3 movies that its easy to ignore. Setting Alien V after A:R would force everyone to acknowledge everything that happened in A:R and I cant live with that at all.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 02:25:01 AM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 02:25:01 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 02:18:25 AMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 02:14:01 AMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 02:10:05 AMQuote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 28, 2015, 02:00:22 AMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 11:45:01 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:36:12 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 11:29:13 PMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 10:29:51 PMQuote from: whiterabbit on Feb 27, 2015, 10:20:04 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 09:35:06 PMShe's already fallen into the fire once, no parachute. Why would this time be any different?Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 09:32:36 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 08:48:59 PM
They're in the pipe, five by five.
That better not be one express elevator to hell. Goin down...
Unfortunately I think it is... Siggy, get that parachute and get off while there's still time!
Yeah, it was called Alien Resurrection. Hopefully this new movie can fix that.
By making it worse?
Nope by undoing it. A3 has its moments but took a bad direction most didn't like and still don't. Resurrection however, is irredeemable imo. Absolute garbage. Contrived dumb cloning excuse to bring back Ripley, and couldn't even make it the "same" Ripley we all love. At least ignoring A3/A:R will allow real Ripley to return without a dumb unbelievable excuse. Ripley 8 is, as Ive said, a bad character that is the opposite of everything original REAL Ripley stood for. ripley 8 sympathies with the aliens and is in fact PART alien....like wtf??? Add goofy silly stupid situation/scenes, bad supporting characters.....urrgg. I dont need to explain why A:R sucks everyone agrees.
Not really. ALIENS is just as immature as A:R but has better designs, more like able characters and is less goofy. Other than that it's pretty dumb. Powerloader vs Queen - I rest my case
A:R script is not great,that for sure, but the biggest problem is the tone the director decided to imprint on the movie. A cartoonish/slapstick tone that didn't fit at all with the Alien universe. Also, some of the designs where pretty bad. If it wasn't related to the Alien universe it would be a quite fun and entertaining movie, but in the that universe it does not fit at all.
Agreed. Its as if A:R was written as a comedy, but the actors played it straight. As you said, good popcorn flick on its own, but a TERRIBLE "Alien" movie.
Never said I was a fan of A:R.
I dont think anyone really is. Thats why it shouldn't take place after A:R. At least right now, A:R is so far removed from the first 3 movies that its easy to ignore. Setting Alien V after A:R would force everyone to acknowledge everything that happened in A:R and I cant live with that at all.
But A:R opened up for a billion different interesting stories to be told, with or without Ripley8, while still maintaining continuity. I think ALIENS is severely overrated, that doesn't mean that I think that it should be retconned or remade.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 02:28:20 AM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 02:28:20 AM
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They're in the pipe, five by five.
That better not be one express elevator to hell. Goin down...
Unfortunately I think it is... Siggy, get that parachute and get off while there's still time!
Yeah, it was called Alien Resurrection. Hopefully this new movie can fix that.
By making it worse?
Nope by undoing it. A3 has its moments but took a bad direction most didn't like and still don't. Resurrection however, is irredeemable imo. Absolute garbage. Contrived dumb cloning excuse to bring back Ripley, and couldn't even make it the "same" Ripley we all love. At least ignoring A3/A:R will allow real Ripley to return without a dumb unbelievable excuse. Ripley 8 is, as Ive said, a bad character that is the opposite of everything original REAL Ripley stood for. ripley 8 sympathies with the aliens and is in fact PART alien....like wtf??? Add goofy silly stupid situation/scenes, bad supporting characters.....urrgg. I dont need to explain why A:R sucks everyone agrees.
Not really. ALIENS is just as immature as A:R but has better designs, more like able characters and is less goofy. Other than that it's pretty dumb. Powerloader vs Queen - I rest my case
A:R script is not great,that for sure, but the biggest problem is the tone the director decided to imprint on the movie. A cartoonish/slapstick tone that didn't fit at all with the Alien universe. Also, some of the designs where pretty bad. If it wasn't related to the Alien universe it would be a quite fun and entertaining movie, but in the that universe it does not fit at all.
Agreed. Its as if A:R was written as a comedy, but the actors played it straight. As you said, good popcorn flick on its own, but a TERRIBLE "Alien" movie.
Never said I was a fan of A:R.
I dont think anyone really is. Thats why it shouldn't take place after A:R. At least right now, A:R is so far removed from the first 3 movies that its easy to ignore. Setting Alien V after A:R would force everyone to acknowledge everything that happened in A:R and I cant live with that at all.
But A:R opened up for a billion different interesting stories to be told, with or without Ripley8, while still maintaining continuity. I think ALIENS is severely overrated, that doesn't mean that I think that it should be retconned or remade.
What stories could possibly happen after A:R? I dont want an Earth setting. And W-Y is gone by then(owned by f**king WAL-MART lol) And apparently, the aliens on the ship from A:R were the last in existence since Ripley died with the last real one in A3 and the cloned ones all died in A:R when the ship exploded/crashed.
I mean c'mon...
Im sure you COULD think up some contrived way to make more Xenos but really....it would just be more fan fiction-ish than any "retcon" of A3 and A:R. Splitting the continuity is the best way to go imo if the only other alternative is to continue the BAD continuity that everyone hates.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 28, 2015, 02:37:36 AM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 28, 2015, 02:37:36 AM
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They're in the pipe, five by five.
That better not be one express elevator to hell. Goin down...
Unfortunately I think it is... Siggy, get that parachute and get off while there's still time!
Yeah, it was called Alien Resurrection. Hopefully this new movie can fix that.
By making it worse?
Nope by undoing it. A3 has its moments but took a bad direction most didn't like and still don't. Resurrection however, is irredeemable imo. Absolute garbage. Contrived dumb cloning excuse to bring back Ripley, and couldn't even make it the "same" Ripley we all love. At least ignoring A3/A:R will allow real Ripley to return without a dumb unbelievable excuse. Ripley 8 is, as Ive said, a bad character that is the opposite of everything original REAL Ripley stood for. ripley 8 sympathies with the aliens and is in fact PART alien....like wtf??? Add goofy silly stupid situation/scenes, bad supporting characters.....urrgg. I dont need to explain why A:R sucks everyone agrees.
Not really. ALIENS is just as immature as A:R but has better designs, more like able characters and is less goofy. Other than that it's pretty dumb. Powerloader vs Queen - I rest my case
A:R script is not great,that for sure, but the biggest problem is the tone the director decided to imprint on the movie. A cartoonish/slapstick tone that didn't fit at all with the Alien universe. Also, some of the designs where pretty bad. If it wasn't related to the Alien universe it would be a quite fun and entertaining movie, but in the that universe it does not fit at all.
Agreed. Its as if A:R was written as a comedy, but the actors played it straight. As you said, good popcorn flick on its own, but a TERRIBLE "Alien" movie.
Never said I was a fan of A:R.
I dont think anyone really is. Thats why it shouldn't take place after A:R. At least right now, A:R is so far removed from the first 3 movies that its easy to ignore. Setting Alien V after A:R would force everyone to acknowledge everything that happened in A:R and I cant live with that at all.
But A:R opened up for a billion different interesting stories to be told, with or without Ripley8, while still maintaining continuity. I think ALIENS is severely overrated, that doesn't mean that I think that it should be retconned or remade.
What stories could possibly happen after A:R? I dont want an Earth setting. And W-Y is gone by then(owned by f**king WAL-MART lol) And apparently, the aliens on the ship from A:R were the last in existence since Ripley died with the last real one in A3 and the cloned ones all died in A:R when the ship exploded/crashed.
I mean c'mon...
Im sure you COULD think up some contrived way to make more Xenos but really....it would just be more fan fiction-ish than any "retcon" of A3 and A:R. Splitting the continuity is the best way to go imo if the only other alternative is to continue the BAD continuity that everyone hates.
A:R really f**ked it up good...
This is a great review of how bad the movie was
http://www.deepfocusreview.com/reviews/alienresurrection.asp (http://www.deepfocusreview.com/reviews/alienresurrection.asp)
The A,AS and A3 reviews are cool too.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 02:42:42 AM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 02:42:42 AM
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They're in the pipe, five by five.
That better not be one express elevator to hell. Goin down...
Unfortunately I think it is... Siggy, get that parachute and get off while there's still time!
Yeah, it was called Alien Resurrection. Hopefully this new movie can fix that.
By making it worse?
Nope by undoing it. A3 has its moments but took a bad direction most didn't like and still don't. Resurrection however, is irredeemable imo. Absolute garbage. Contrived dumb cloning excuse to bring back Ripley, and couldn't even make it the "same" Ripley we all love. At least ignoring A3/A:R will allow real Ripley to return without a dumb unbelievable excuse. Ripley 8 is, as Ive said, a bad character that is the opposite of everything original REAL Ripley stood for. ripley 8 sympathies with the aliens and is in fact PART alien....like wtf??? Add goofy silly stupid situation/scenes, bad supporting characters.....urrgg. I dont need to explain why A:R sucks everyone agrees.
Not really. ALIENS is just as immature as A:R but has better designs, more like able characters and is less goofy. Other than that it's pretty dumb. Powerloader vs Queen - I rest my case
A:R script is not great,that for sure, but the biggest problem is the tone the director decided to imprint on the movie. A cartoonish/slapstick tone that didn't fit at all with the Alien universe. Also, some of the designs where pretty bad. If it wasn't related to the Alien universe it would be a quite fun and entertaining movie, but in the that universe it does not fit at all.
Agreed. Its as if A:R was written as a comedy, but the actors played it straight. As you said, good popcorn flick on its own, but a TERRIBLE "Alien" movie.
Never said I was a fan of A:R.
I dont think anyone really is. Thats why it shouldn't take place after A:R. At least right now, A:R is so far removed from the first 3 movies that its easy to ignore. Setting Alien V after A:R would force everyone to acknowledge everything that happened in A:R and I cant live with that at all.
But A:R opened up for a billion different interesting stories to be told, with or without Ripley8, while still maintaining continuity. I think ALIENS is severely overrated, that doesn't mean that I think that it should be retconned or remade.
What stories could happen after A:R? I dont want an Earth setting. And W-Y is gone by then(owned by f**king WAL-MART lol) And apparently, the aliens on the ship from A:R were the last in existence since Ripley died with the last real one in A3 and the cloned ones all died in A:R when the ship exploded/crashed.
I mean c'mon...
Im sure you COULD think up some contrived way to make more Xenos but really....it would just be more fan fiction-ish than any "retcon" of A3 and A:R. Splitting the continuity is the best way to go imo if the only other alternative is to continue the BAD continuity that everyone hates.
Talk for yourself buddy.
But seriously, Ripley8 is half-alien. Maybe she turns more and more Alien and starts reproducing? Maybe they clone another Ripley and breeds a Queen that doesn't grow a womb? They could always introduce another derelict. Alien Isolation presented us with a new bad guy corporation that everyone seemed ok with.
Retcon/remake/reboot = lowest forms of cop-outs
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 28, 2015, 02:49:07 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 28, 2015, 02:49:07 AM
What if Ripley 08 got pregnant? Would she birth a newborn monstrosity or just another squid baby?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 02:50:34 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 02:50:34 AM
Spoilers for Alien: Isolation
Nobody wants more Alien = Ripley garbage, not a good place to start a sequel either.
And discovering yet another Alien installation would be the cheapest thing yet, also the real Ripley is dead- in the A:R timeline and most have made it clear they don't "Want to continue watching that freak show."
Spoiler
No, Seegson is bought by WY near the end.
[close]
Nobody wants more Alien = Ripley garbage, not a good place to start a sequel either.
And discovering yet another Alien installation would be the cheapest thing yet, also the real Ripley is dead- in the A:R timeline and most have made it clear they don't "Want to continue watching that freak show."
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 02:51:19 AM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 02:51:19 AM
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They're in the pipe, five by five.
That better not be one express elevator to hell. Goin down...
Unfortunately I think it is... Siggy, get that parachute and get off while there's still time!
Yeah, it was called Alien Resurrection. Hopefully this new movie can fix that.
By making it worse?
Nope by undoing it. A3 has its moments but took a bad direction most didn't like and still don't. Resurrection however, is irredeemable imo. Absolute garbage. Contrived dumb cloning excuse to bring back Ripley, and couldn't even make it the "same" Ripley we all love. At least ignoring A3/A:R will allow real Ripley to return without a dumb unbelievable excuse. Ripley 8 is, as Ive said, a bad character that is the opposite of everything original REAL Ripley stood for. ripley 8 sympathies with the aliens and is in fact PART alien....like wtf??? Add goofy silly stupid situation/scenes, bad supporting characters.....urrgg. I dont need to explain why A:R sucks everyone agrees.
Not really. ALIENS is just as immature as A:R but has better designs, more like able characters and is less goofy. Other than that it's pretty dumb. Powerloader vs Queen - I rest my case
A:R script is not great,that for sure, but the biggest problem is the tone the director decided to imprint on the movie. A cartoonish/slapstick tone that didn't fit at all with the Alien universe. Also, some of the designs where pretty bad. If it wasn't related to the Alien universe it would be a quite fun and entertaining movie, but in the that universe it does not fit at all.
Agreed. Its as if A:R was written as a comedy, but the actors played it straight. As you said, good popcorn flick on its own, but a TERRIBLE "Alien" movie.
Never said I was a fan of A:R.
I dont think anyone really is. Thats why it shouldn't take place after A:R. At least right now, A:R is so far removed from the first 3 movies that its easy to ignore. Setting Alien V after A:R would force everyone to acknowledge everything that happened in A:R and I cant live with that at all.
But A:R opened up for a billion different interesting stories to be told, with or without Ripley8, while still maintaining continuity. I think ALIENS is severely overrated, that doesn't mean that I think that it should be retconned or remade.
What stories could happen after A:R? I dont want an Earth setting. And W-Y is gone by then(owned by f**king WAL-MART lol) And apparently, the aliens on the ship from A:R were the last in existence since Ripley died with the last real one in A3 and the cloned ones all died in A:R when the ship exploded/crashed.
I mean c'mon...
Im sure you COULD think up some contrived way to make more Xenos but really....it would just be more fan fiction-ish than any "retcon" of A3 and A:R. Splitting the continuity is the best way to go imo if the only other alternative is to continue the BAD continuity that everyone hates.
Talk for yourself buddy.
But seriously, Ripley8 is half-alien. Maybe she turns more and more Alien and starts reproducing? Maybe they clone another Ripley and breeds a Queen that doesn't grow a womb? They could always introduce another derelict. Alien Isolation presented us with a new bad guy corporation that everyone seemed ok with.
Retcon/remake/reboot = lowest forms of cop-outs
Turns more alien and reproduces? That just ruins the Ripley character even MORE!
Clone another Ripley? That is just so fan fiction-ish. I mean how many Ripley's would we have running around. It would be ridiculous.
Seegson from A:I would probably be long gone 200 years after A3 since it was going out of business during A:I, so that wont work.
A new Derelict is the only semi-plausible thing and I mean.....idk, its just seems so contrived.
I really think A:R wrote the franchise continuity into a huge corner. Its why a new pure Alien movie hasnt ever been made since. At least now, its been about 18 years and retconning it would be acceptable. I dont think a retcon is a cop out if it reinvigorates the story.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 02:52:07 AM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 02:52:07 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 02:50:34 AM
Spoilers for Alien: IsolationSpoiler
No, Seegson is bought by WY near the end.[close]
Nobody wants more Alien = Ripley garbage, not a good place to start a sequel either.
And discovering yet another Alien installation would be the cheapest thing yet, also the real Ripley is dead- in the A:R timeline and most have made it clear they don't "Want to continue watching that freak show."
Cheap but not as cheap as a freaking retcon.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 02:55:53 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 02:55:53 AM
That's where we'll have to disagree.
If Neill Blompkamp's Alien is good and creates a new era of prosperity for the EU I will embrace it.
But I'll never forget the flawed masterpiece that is Alien3, one will not negate the other for me they will simply exist apart from each other.
If Neill Blompkamp's Alien is good and creates a new era of prosperity for the EU I will embrace it.
But I'll never forget the flawed masterpiece that is Alien3, one will not negate the other for me they will simply exist apart from each other.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 03:03:03 AM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 03:03:03 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 02:55:53 AM
That's where we'll have to disagree.
If Neill Blompkamp's Alien is good and creates a new era of prosperity for the EU I will embrace it.
But I'll never forget the flawed masterpiece that is Alien3, one will not negate the other for me they will simply exist apart from each other.
Agreed, this new movie doesnt have to negate A3. Its just a different rought. They can exist apart from each other.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 28, 2015, 03:10:01 AM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 28, 2015, 03:10:01 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 02:55:53 AM+1
That's where we'll have to disagree.
If Neill Blompkamp's Alien is good and creates a new era of prosperity for the EU I will embrace it.
But I'll never forget the flawed masterpiece that is Alien3, one will not negate the other for me they will simply exist apart from each other.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 03:11:29 AM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 03:11:29 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 03:03:03 AMQuote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 02:55:53 AM
That's where we'll have to disagree.
If Neill Blompkamp's Alien is good and creates a new era of prosperity for the EU I will embrace it.
But I'll never forget the flawed masterpiece that is Alien3, one will not negate the other for me they will simply exist apart from each other.
Agreed, this new movie doesnt have to negate A3. Its just a different rought. They can exist apart from each other.
Yeah, I'm sure thats what you guys would sound like if we were talking about an ALIENS retcon or remake...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 28, 2015, 03:20:10 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 28, 2015, 03:20:10 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 02:55:53 AM
If Neill Blompkamp's Alien is good and creates a new era of prosperity for the EU I will embrace it.
But I'll never forget the flawed masterpiece that is Alien3, one will not negate the other for me they will simply exist apart from each other.
I wouldn't think that we would be getting alternate timelines or a multiverse assuming this is the case. I mean this is something which I have been advocating for the longest time, and it seems like it's finally happening. Two different continuities. Nothing is negated, this new movie is doing what Godzilla 1985 did when that movie was being released. We have two paths..
SpreadEagleBeagle, you remember the Multiverse thread which we were both talking about roughly almost a year ago? It seems like that what we discussed in the thread could potentially be the case. Occrams Razor.. I remember you warming up to the idea of a multiverse. Unless there is something here going on which I am mistaken, I'm just trying to understand why you're disgruntled.
Of course, I was the same way when PREDATORS was being released and said to be the "true" sequel to the original.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 03:34:43 AM
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 03:34:43 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 03:11:29 AMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 03:03:03 AMQuote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 02:55:53 AM
That's where we'll have to disagree.
If Neill Blompkamp's Alien is good and creates a new era of prosperity for the EU I will embrace it.
But I'll never forget the flawed masterpiece that is Alien3, one will not negate the other for me they will simply exist apart from each other.
Agreed, this new movie doesnt have to negate A3. Its just a different rought. They can exist apart from each other.
Yeah, I'm sure thats what you guys would sound like if we were talking about an ALIENS retcon or remake...
Non necessarily. A new movie that takes place after the first ALIEN would also be pretty interesting. Im just saying that ALIEN and ALIENS make for a better jumping off point than A3 and especially A:R.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 28, 2015, 05:56:34 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 28, 2015, 05:56:34 AM
According to this Calendar: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179 (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179)
And of course SM's Alien timeline: http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html (http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html)
There is a span of twelve days from July 28th 2179 to August 8th, 2179. Technically speaking, something COULD theoretically happen within a span of twelve days between ALIENS and Alien 3.
And of course SM's Alien timeline: http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html (http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html)
There is a span of twelve days from July 28th 2179 to August 8th, 2179. Technically speaking, something COULD theoretically happen within a span of twelve days between ALIENS and Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 28, 2015, 06:43:10 AM
Post by: marrerom on Feb 28, 2015, 06:43:10 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 28, 2015, 05:56:34 AM
According to this Calendar: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179 (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179)
And of course SM's Alien timeline: http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html (http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html)
There is a span of twelve days from July 28th 2179 to August 8th, 2179. Technically speaking, something COULD theoretically happen within a span of twelve days between ALIENS and Alien 3.
I am really hoping this is the case. Its the best case scenario for those that want Alien 3 and 4 to not be erased.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 28, 2015, 07:37:38 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 28, 2015, 07:37:38 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 28, 2015, 06:43:10 AM
I am really hoping this is the case. Its the best case scenario for those that want Alien 3 and 4 to not be erased.
Of course there is still the alternate timeline/continuity route which could still happen, so long as Alien 3 and Resurrection aren't rendered as dreams.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 11:49:37 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 11:49:37 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 28, 2015, 06:43:10 AMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 28, 2015, 05:56:34 AM
According to this Calendar: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179 (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179)
And of course SM's Alien timeline: http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html (http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html)
There is a span of twelve days from July 28th 2179 to August 8th, 2179. Technically speaking, something COULD theoretically happen within a span of twelve days between ALIENS and Alien 3.
I am really hoping this is the case. Its the best case scenario for those that want Alien 3 and 4 to not be erased.
That just screams the type of hoaky shit ACM is if that were the case.
Gimme that alternate timeline.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: wL0316 on Feb 28, 2015, 12:45:05 PM
Post by: wL0316 on Feb 28, 2015, 12:45:05 PM
Is it just me or the short video is also inspired by Alien3, other than the obvious Aliens influence (colonial marines)?
Screen cap. from HALO short video:
Similarly for the barcode thingy...
I am glad that it seems like a true Alien franchise fans is making ALIEN5!
Screen cap. from HALO short video:
Similarly for the barcode thingy...
I am glad that it seems like a true Alien franchise fans is making ALIEN5!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 28, 2015, 12:51:55 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 28, 2015, 12:51:55 PM
Never noticed that before, and I'm gonna take a shot in the dark is not directly inspired by the Alien 3 shot, but Blomkamp has been very open about his influences and the Alien series is chief among them, so I really wouldn't be surprised if, subconsciously at least, that's where a lot of those tenancies in his films come from.
Nice observation.
Nice observation.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 28, 2015, 03:25:25 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Feb 28, 2015, 03:25:25 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 03:11:29 AMQuote from: Adam802 on Feb 28, 2015, 03:03:03 AMQuote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 02:55:53 AM
That's where we'll have to disagree.
If Neill Blompkamp's Alien is good and creates a new era of prosperity for the EU I will embrace it.
But I'll never forget the flawed masterpiece that is Alien3, one will not negate the other for me they will simply exist apart from each other.
Agreed, this new movie doesnt have to negate A3. Its just a different rought. They can exist apart from each other.
Yeah, I'm sure thats what you guys would sound like if we were talking about an ALIENS retcon or remake...
What would be your feelings on an Aliens retcon?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 28, 2015, 04:10:42 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 28, 2015, 04:10:42 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 09:32:11 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 06:55:28 PMThere's many types of dogs with varying traits yet they're all dogs.Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 06:32:18 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:57:19 PMWell I mean to say I hope he makes a distinction between each version's attack patterns. Obviously the Warrior aliens can be sneaky and stealthy too. But I like to think they're still not as intelligent as the Scout/Drone.Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:35:34 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 03:21:07 PMYeah that too. He loved the design in Isolation so I expect good things.
I also believe, and I'm saying this based on what I've seen on these boards, people will ultimately care more about the Alien and its portrayal in the film. Hardly surprising when consider the last couple of Alien-related outings weren't that friendly towards the creature.
I think he's going to want to implement the "scout/drone" Aliens aside from the Warrior ones in his movie. Both presenting different kind of threats.
What sort of threat do you mean? All Aliens do the same thing.
They're the same animal.
Ultimately they all behave in the same way. They might have different physical traits, but don't vary much by behaviour.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Spidey3121 on Feb 28, 2015, 05:07:28 PM
Post by: Spidey3121 on Feb 28, 2015, 05:07:28 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 28, 2015, 05:56:34 AM
According to this Calendar: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179 (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179)
And of course SM's Alien timeline: http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html (http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html)
There is a span of twelve days from July 28th 2179 to August 8th, 2179. Technically speaking, something COULD theoretically happen within a span of twelve days between ALIENS and Alien 3.
Maybe that'll finally solve the mystery of how the egg ended up onboard! They woke up, fought another hoard of Aliens, re-entered stasis, & then crash landed on Fury :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 28, 2015, 05:34:01 PM
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 28, 2015, 05:34:01 PM
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Feb 28, 2015, 05:07:28 PMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 28, 2015, 05:56:34 AM
According to this Calendar: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179 (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179)
And of course SM's Alien timeline: http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html (http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html)
There is a span of twelve days from July 28th 2179 to August 8th, 2179. Technically speaking, something COULD theoretically happen within a span of twelve days between ALIENS and Alien 3.
Maybe that'll finally solve the mystery of how the egg ended up onboard! They woke up, fought another hoard of Aliens, re-entered stasis, & then crash landed on Fury :laugh:
How can you account for the 25+ year age difference b/w Alien 3 and this, if it takes place before Alien 3? I don't think this is what he is doing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Spidey3121 on Feb 28, 2015, 05:42:31 PM
Post by: Spidey3121 on Feb 28, 2015, 05:42:31 PM
Quote from: CainsSon on Feb 28, 2015, 05:34:01 PMQuote from: Spidey3121 on Feb 28, 2015, 05:07:28 PMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 28, 2015, 05:56:34 AM
According to this Calendar: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179 (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179)
And of course SM's Alien timeline: http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html (http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html)
There is a span of twelve days from July 28th 2179 to August 8th, 2179. Technically speaking, something COULD theoretically happen within a span of twelve days between ALIENS and Alien 3.
Maybe that'll finally solve the mystery of how the egg ended up onboard! They woke up, fought another hoard of Aliens, re-entered stasis, & then crash landed on Fury :laugh:
How can you account for the 25+ year age difference b/w Alien 3 and this, if it takes place before Alien 3? I don't think this is what he is doing.
Age Pods, duh. The reason they wake up is b/c of rapid aging. They are, of course, able to reverse this process when they make the fateful decision to re-enter stasis at the end of the film ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 28, 2015, 06:16:57 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 28, 2015, 06:16:57 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 28, 2015, 02:49:07 AM
What if Ripley 08 got pregnant? Would she birth a newborn monstrosity or just another squid baby?
You'd have to be really brave to have intercourse with Ripley8. Melt your wang right off. Acid for blood...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: WarriorRidged on Feb 28, 2015, 06:23:10 PM
Post by: WarriorRidged on Feb 28, 2015, 06:23:10 PM
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Feb 28, 2015, 05:42:31 PMQuote from: CainsSon on Feb 28, 2015, 05:34:01 PMQuote from: Spidey3121 on Feb 28, 2015, 05:07:28 PMQuote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 28, 2015, 05:56:34 AM
According to this Calendar: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179 (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/calendar.aspx?y=2179)
And of course SM's Alien timeline: http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html (http://timeline.alienexperience.com/2127to2179.html)
There is a span of twelve days from July 28th 2179 to August 8th, 2179. Technically speaking, something COULD theoretically happen within a span of twelve days between ALIENS and Alien 3.
Maybe that'll finally solve the mystery of how the egg ended up onboard! They woke up, fought another hoard of Aliens, re-entered stasis, & then crash landed on Fury :laugh:
How can you account for the 25+ year age difference b/w Alien 3 and this, if it takes place before Alien 3? I don't think this is what he is doing.
Age Pods, duh. The reason they wake up is b/c of rapid aging. They are, of course, able to reverse this process when they make the fateful decision to re-enter stasis at the end of the film ;)
Love these ideas, really well done guys. I hope Blomkamp is reading this. Completely credible, allows for a large scope for execution and fits seamlessly into the timeline. Love it.
Can't wait for this movie. Have full trust in Blomkamp. Invigoured and excited by the fact that Alien and Aliens are his favourite films and that he is a fan boy just like us. If he credibly answered some of the plotholes of yesteryear with imagination and perfect execution (which I think he could), this would be an excellent addition to the series. Of course, an excellent sequel will breed further Alien sequels... *drools*
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 06:58:17 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 06:58:17 PM
So why don't they age when they're ejected from the EEV then?
No it's bullshit.
The film will be an alternate universe event, about time people deal with it.
No it's bullshit.
The film will be an alternate universe event, about time people deal with it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 28, 2015, 08:07:55 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 28, 2015, 08:07:55 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 06:58:17 PM
So why don't they age when they're ejected from the EEV then?
No it's bullshit.
The film will be an alternate universe event, about time people deal with it.
TBH there's probably a pretty good chance that it won't be an alternate universe thing, it'll be the NEW, OFFICIAL CANON!!1! and A3/AR become the "alternate" universe, at least in the eyes of Fox and a decent chunk of the fanbase. Possibly not what you meant by alternate, but there's definitely some level of "diverging from the original, true source" implied in the label which may not be appropriate here, depending mainly on how Fox decides to hype whatever Neill shits out.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 08:30:05 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 08:30:05 PM
Yup, so what?
Alien3 and Resurrection will always be there.
Alien3 and Resurrection will always be there.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 28, 2015, 08:31:22 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 28, 2015, 08:31:22 PM
I'm more dreading the next level shit that the canon debates are already descending into.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 08:32:30 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 08:32:30 PM
First I was upset about this movie, now I'm just desperately bored with it. Looking forward to PROM2.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 08:38:16 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 08:38:16 PM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Feb 28, 2015, 08:31:22 PM
I'm more dreading the next level shit that the canon debates are already descending into.
I think it'll be hilarious.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 08:43:05 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 28, 2015, 08:43:05 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 08:38:16 PMQuote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Feb 28, 2015, 08:31:22 PM
I'm more dreading the next level shit that the canon debates are already descending into.
I think it'll be hilarious.
Now there is something we agree on. It's gonna be a sh!tshow! :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 08:44:30 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 08:44:30 PM
Just watch as people squirm trying to make everything for together haha.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 28, 2015, 08:54:42 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 28, 2015, 08:54:42 PM
It's funny for about 5 minutes at a time, then it just gets depressing. 
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Feb 28, 2015, 08:58:02 PM
Post by: Xenomrph on Feb 28, 2015, 08:58:02 PM
I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 28, 2015, 09:00:34 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 28, 2015, 09:00:34 PM
I'm holding off on condemning the film totally this early (although what we have isn't exactly inspiring), but the fandom is getting pretty cringeworthy already with all the timeline shit.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Feb 28, 2015, 09:02:27 PM
Post by: Xenomrph on Feb 28, 2015, 09:02:27 PM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Feb 28, 2015, 09:00:34 PMAmen to that. We've got entirely too little concrete info to go off of for all the handwringing and bullshit I'm seeing posted all over the place.
I'm holding off on condemning the film totally this early (although what we have isn't exactly inspiring), but the fandom is getting pretty cringeworthy already with all the timeline shit.
It's like when Ridley Scott said Prometheus would have "genetic material" from 'Alien' in it, and in retrospect he was 100% correct.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 09:05:04 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 09:05:04 PM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Feb 28, 2015, 09:00:34 PM
I'm holding off on condemning the film totally this early (although what we have isn't exactly inspiring), but the fandom is getting pretty cringeworthy already with all the timeline shit.
I think it's great, this fandom needed to be turned on its head IMO.
I think it's really funny, because it all means nothing.
To me it's clear that FOX came to Blomkamp for his ideas and I doubt they'll change.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Feb 28, 2015, 09:06:23 PM
Post by: Xenomrph on Feb 28, 2015, 09:06:23 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 09:05:04 PMWhy?Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Feb 28, 2015, 09:00:34 PM
I'm holding off on condemning the film totally this early (although what we have isn't exactly inspiring), but the fandom is getting pretty cringeworthy already with all the timeline shit.
I think it's great, this fandom needed to be turned on its head IMO.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 09:12:09 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 09:12:09 PM
Because some people thought everything was canon. ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SuperM on Feb 28, 2015, 10:28:22 PM
Post by: SuperM on Feb 28, 2015, 10:28:22 PM
Tommy Wiseau would be great as the predalien in this one.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 28, 2015, 10:29:59 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 28, 2015, 10:29:59 PM
His movements are very alien indeed.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 343 on Feb 28, 2015, 11:14:55 PM
Post by: 343 on Feb 28, 2015, 11:14:55 PM
Prometheus 2, 4th Predator movie, fifth Alien movie. Great!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Mar 01, 2015, 12:08:34 AM
Post by: Gash on Mar 01, 2015, 12:08:34 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 04:35:53 PM
Well it's very Aliens inspired but then Halo is in general.
James Cameron really uses the color blue to his advantage as much as possible. One could say blue is his muse. The color balance of this footage is very uninspired, but that could be prior to final editing which never happened. The color blue is intrinsic to Aliens. Watch it again, nearly everything is bathed in that color (unless its red to contrast the scene during moments of high action). It takes a master to control the color like that and time will tell if Blomkamp can do it. But even if he succeeds, it will just be an homage to Cameron. I am cautiously optimistic is all I can say.
I prefer the colour balance as it is. Blue might be Cameron's signature in sci-fi but shifting everything toward blue in the colour balance has become the bane of modern cinema. A worthy Alien film shouldn't have to follow trend but by stylish. It would just be nice if it it had cinematography as good as 79 and 92.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 01, 2015, 12:30:54 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 01, 2015, 12:30:54 AM
Today's trend is orange/teal more than Cameron's blue -- which was there before the digital revolution.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 01:22:26 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 01:22:26 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 09:12:09 PMThat didn't answer my question.
Because some people thought everything was canon. ;)
And as of right now, everything still is canon. ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 01, 2015, 01:27:26 AM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 01, 2015, 01:27:26 AM
I can't wait for every pretentious artsy 14 year old to come out of the wood works crying how cinema is dead. I love reading the youtube comments section.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 01:37:13 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 01:37:13 AM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 01, 2015, 01:27:26 AMAccording to who you ask on the internet, cinema has been dead for nearly a century now. :P
I can't wait for every pretentious artsy 14 year old to come out of the wood works crying how cinema is dead. I love reading the youtube comments section.
"Sound? In MY silent motion pictures? This art form is DEAD TO ME."
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 02:02:34 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 02:02:34 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 01:22:26 AMQuote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 09:12:09 PMThat didn't answer my question.
Because some people thought everything was canon. ;)
And as of right now, everything still is canon. ;)
That is my answer, Neill Blompkamp's Alien (I'm glad) that is likely and alternative timeline because the "everything is canon" perspective needs to die.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 02:05:04 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 02:05:04 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 02:02:34 AMWhy?Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 01:22:26 AMQuote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 28, 2015, 09:12:09 PMThat didn't answer my question.
Because some people thought everything was canon. ;)
And as of right now, everything still is canon. ;)
That is my answer, Neill Blompkamp's Alien (I'm glad) that is likely and alternative timeline because the "everything is canon" perspective needs to die.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 02:09:26 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 02:09:26 AM
Because it frustrates me that someone could consider all the films canon and media (Where in my perspective) the two AVP films, ACM and several ridiculous comic storylines are nothing but stains on the franchise.
The good stuff (Alien3) will survive because it is loved in certain circles and by the fandom at large whilst the unworthy crap will be thrown out the window by the fandom at large the second it's decanonized.
The good stuff (Alien3) will survive because it is loved in certain circles and by the fandom at large whilst the unworthy crap will be thrown out the window by the fandom at large the second it's decanonized.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Doktor Wunderbar on Mar 01, 2015, 02:11:15 AM
Post by: Doktor Wunderbar on Mar 01, 2015, 02:11:15 AM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 01, 2015, 01:27:26 AMWho needs to wait? We're getting a ton of "how dare they" right now. I just wish I had popcorn.
I can't wait for every pretentious artsy 14 year old to come out of the wood works crying how cinema is dead. I love reading the youtube comments section.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 02:12:48 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 02:12:48 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 02:09:26 AM
Because it frustrates me that someone could consider all the films canon and media (Where in my perspective) the two AVP films, ACM and several ridiculous comic storylines are nothing but stains on the franchise.
The good stuff (Alien3) will survive because it is loved in certain circles and by the fandom at large whilst the unworthy crap will be thrown out the window by the fandom at large the second it's decanonized.
Wait what? Why do you care what other people consider to be canon? Like seriously? Does it affect you personally?
How, exactly, would Alien3 "survive" if it's rendered non-canon? By your logic it would be thrown out the window with everything else that's "non canon".
Or, alternately, fans would do what they've done unwaveringly for the last 35 years and believe whatever they want to believe.
Absolute worst case scenario, even if things got split into "multiple timelines", everything is still canon, but in its own timelines or whatever (and those timelines would be fan dictated, just like they've always been - we've had a thread about it (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=50868.0) for 6 months now).
It's like you're personally offended by certain fans' preferences for the franchise, preferences you can't change no matter what happens. Why is that, exactly?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 02:18:31 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 02:18:31 AM
Because like I said, people (Large amounts) love Alien3, so it will continue to be recopyed and rebought and acknowledged.
You think the same will be true for the likes of ACM and some bad comics? No.
The only reason people tolerate it in any manner (Because most otherwise fervently hate it) is because it has an entry on the Alien wiki that says it's canon.
As soon as it isn't people will ultimately dispose of it.
Like with Star Wars right now, loved things continue to be discussed (KOTOR) whilst other crap is thrown out the window completely.
You think the same will be true for the likes of ACM and some bad comics? No.
The only reason people tolerate it in any manner (Because most otherwise fervently hate it) is because it has an entry on the Alien wiki that says it's canon.
As soon as it isn't people will ultimately dispose of it.
Like with Star Wars right now, loved things continue to be discussed (KOTOR) whilst other crap is thrown out the window completely.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 02:24:57 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 02:24:57 AM
Sure, and none of that has anything to do with what's "canon", since people decide for themselves what's canon. Blomkamp's movie could end up sucking and we'd be right back where we started. If some people choose to take "everything" as canon, that doesn't change anything and it shouldn't affect you at all, and if it somehow does then that's something you have to come to grips with on your own I guess. Saying, "Oh boy I hope those people who take everything as canon are presented with a scenario where they HAVE TO CHOOSE!" just makes you seem petty and juvenile.
Countless people disregard stuff even if it's on some fan-run wiki because they choose to. Colonial Marines may be "officially" canon, but I'm very sure the number of people who actually accept it as such is very, very low. Even if Blomkamp's movie undoes Alien3, Colonial Marines will still remain on the Alien wiki, and it'll still be "canon", it'll just get a footnote that it's part of some "other timeline" along with Alien3.
Countless people disregard stuff even if it's on some fan-run wiki because they choose to. Colonial Marines may be "officially" canon, but I'm very sure the number of people who actually accept it as such is very, very low. Even if Blomkamp's movie undoes Alien3, Colonial Marines will still remain on the Alien wiki, and it'll still be "canon", it'll just get a footnote that it's part of some "other timeline" along with Alien3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 02:30:57 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 02:30:57 AM
I didn't ask for it not to exist, I was just making the point that people won't recognise it if they're given the choice.
The Neill Blompkamp film will cement that there is a choice by establishing alternate timelines.
That's all.
The Neill Blompkamp film will cement that there is a choice by establishing alternate timelines.
That's all.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 02:42:43 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 02:42:43 AM
But there's always been the choice.
I don't think we need Blomkamp's movie to force the issue, especially for people who don't want there to be that choice.
I don't think we need Blomkamp's movie to force the issue, especially for people who don't want there to be that choice.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 02:45:22 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 02:45:22 AM
Well, if Neill Blompkamp's film is a retcon, they'll have to face that choice- whether they like it or not.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 02:47:25 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 01, 2015, 02:47:25 AM
And now we're back to the original question of why you think that's a good thing, or why you care at all.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 02:52:00 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 02:52:00 AM
Because I'm a terrible person.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 01, 2015, 03:10:02 AM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 01, 2015, 03:10:02 AM
Quote from: Doktor Wunderbar on Mar 01, 2015, 02:11:15 AMQuote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 01, 2015, 01:27:26 AMWho needs to wait? We're getting a ton of "how dare they" right now. I just wish I had popcorn.
I can't wait for every pretentious artsy 14 year old to come out of the wood works crying how cinema is dead. I love reading the youtube comments section.
It's always been everywhere in every internet forum ever, I'm just waiting until people start signing in en masse to let the world know their totally unique and unshared ideas about how Alien is Dead Forever.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 01, 2015, 03:30:42 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 01, 2015, 03:30:42 AM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 01, 2015, 03:10:02 AM
It's always been everywhere in every internet forum ever, I'm just waiting until people start signing in en masse to let the world know their totally unique and unshared ideas about how Alien is Dead Forever.
It happens every time. :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Mar 01, 2015, 04:14:32 AM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Mar 01, 2015, 04:14:32 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 01, 2015, 02:18:31 AMFrom what I've seen, "large amounts" wouldn't be the word to describe them. There really isn't that many people who love it. A good amount who like it but even those numbers don't compare to the fans who love the first two movies.
Because like I said, people (Large amounts) love Alien3, so it will continue to be recopyed and rebought and acknowledged.
You think the same will be true for the likes of ACM and some bad comics? No.
The only reason people tolerate it in any manner (Because most otherwise fervently hate it) is because it has an entry on the Alien wiki that says it's canon.
As soon as it isn't people will ultimately dispose of it.
Like with Star Wars right now, loved things continue to be discussed (KOTOR) whilst other crap is thrown out the window completely.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Federick Gonsa on Mar 01, 2015, 04:33:44 AM
Post by: Federick Gonsa on Mar 01, 2015, 04:33:44 AM
I knew this guy was destined to do something like this lol I just hope He gets to do District 10 as soon as he finishes Alien V I bet on Sharlto Copley playing an android!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 01, 2015, 08:35:06 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 01, 2015, 08:35:06 AM
Yahoo did a news article which covers some details which we already know, even mentions that Alien 3 and Resurrection won't be undone but the author of the article believes that this could take place between ALIEN and ALIENS. If that is the case, and assuming it is.. which is unlikely considering the concept art and the likely ideas.. It sounds like Out of the Shadows.. at least what this author is assuming anyway. I hope he is wrong, and very likely.. this guy is wrong:
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/s/alien-won-t-undo-alien-3-resurrection-director-184258582.html (https://www.yahoo.com/movies/s/alien-won-t-undo-alien-3-resurrection-director-184258582.html)
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/s/alien-won-t-undo-alien-3-resurrection-director-184258582.html (https://www.yahoo.com/movies/s/alien-won-t-undo-alien-3-resurrection-director-184258582.html)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 01:24:03 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 01:24:03 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 01, 2015, 08:35:06 AMI seem to recall reading rumors that "Alien 5" would be a prequel bridging Prometheus 2 and Alien. I'd be totally okay with that.
Yahoo did a news article which covers some details which we already know, even mentions that Alien 3 and Resurrection won't be undone but the author of the article believes that this could take place between ALIEN and ALIENS. If that is the case, and assuming it is.. which is unlikely considering the concept art and the likely ideas.. It sounds like Out of the Shadows.. at least what this author is assuming anyway. I hope he is wrong, and very likely.. this guy is wrong:
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/s/alien-won-t-undo-alien-3-resurrection-director-184258582.html (https://www.yahoo.com/movies/s/alien-won-t-undo-alien-3-resurrection-director-184258582.html)
Granted that kinda precludes having Ripley and Hicks in the movie, but I'd be totally okay with them not being in the story at all.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 02, 2015, 01:35:35 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 02, 2015, 01:35:35 AM
Rumours say it will be connected to Prom 2 and 1 retroactively, which would mean this:
Alien, Aliens, Alien3, A:R.
&
Prometheus, Prometheus sequel, Alien, Aliens, Neill Blompkamp's Alien.
Sounds good to me.
Alien, Aliens, Alien3, A:R.
&
Prometheus, Prometheus sequel, Alien, Aliens, Neill Blompkamp's Alien.
Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2015, 02:43:55 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2015, 02:43:55 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 02, 2015, 01:35:35 AM
Rumours say it will be connected to Prom 2 and 1 retroactively, which would mean this:
Alien, Aliens, Alien3, A:R.
&
Prometheus, Prometheus sequel, Alien, Aliens, Neill Blompkamp's Alien.
Sounds good to me.
I certainly hope this is not the case. It should be:
Prom 1, Prom 2, Alien, Aliens, Blomkamp's Alien
Hopefully there will be a final installment near the end that will tie the Prometheus and Alien storyline together. Bald headed engineers rock. They are so much more meaningful and compelling than elephant-nosed Space Jockeys. They raise the stakes for humanity so much higher.
Anyway, its all opinion based at this point.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 02, 2015, 02:45:53 AM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 02, 2015, 02:45:53 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2015, 02:43:55 AMQuote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 02, 2015, 01:35:35 AM
Rumours say it will be connected to Prom 2 and 1 retroactively, which would mean this:
Alien, Aliens, Alien3, A:R.
&
Prometheus, Prometheus sequel, Alien, Aliens, Neill Blompkamp's Alien.
Sounds good to me.
I certainly hope this is not the case. It should be:
Prom 1, Prom 2, Alien, Aliens, Blomkamp's Alien
Hopefully there will be a final installment near the end that will tie the Prometheus and Alien storyline together. Bald headed engineers rock. They are so much more meaningful and compelling than elephant-nosed Space Jockeys. They raise the stakes for humanity so much higher.
Anyway, its all opinion based at this point.
Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Mar 02, 2015, 03:29:46 AM
Post by: Gash on Mar 02, 2015, 03:29:46 AM
I don't think any convincing rumours have connected it to Prom 2.
I think that stems from the announcement that Blomkamp's film will be shot after Prom 2 and it'll be produced by Scott Free. But that's about it so far.
I think that stems from the announcement that Blomkamp's film will be shot after Prom 2 and it'll be produced by Scott Free. But that's about it so far.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 03:48:39 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 03:48:39 AM
Quote from: Gash on Mar 02, 2015, 03:29:46 AMThat might be what I was thinking of.
I don't think any convincing rumours have connected it to Prom 2.
I think that stems from the announcement that Blomkamp's film will be shot after Prom 2 and it'll be produced by Scott Free. But that's about it so far.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2015, 04:29:37 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2015, 04:29:37 AM
I'm not sure that they need to directly link Prometheus 1 or 2 with Alien 5, but to contradict it would be beyond stupid. Alien 3 and AR can be dropped but I would not drop the Ridley Scott film. Partly because it's Ridley Scott, but mostly because I'm in the camp that thinks Prometheus is brilliant. Prometheus is actually very rich in what it offers the franchise.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 02, 2015, 04:42:06 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 02, 2015, 04:42:06 AM
Unfortunately it's really sloppily put together, especially in the second half of the film.
And it does, in a lot of ways, thematically contradict the ideas established in Alien and expanded on in its sequels. I genuinely like a lot of the ideas that Prometheus put forward, but not so much the fact that they were tackled in this universe. Or at least, not the fact that they were tackled with the Space Jockey.
And it does, in a lot of ways, thematically contradict the ideas established in Alien and expanded on in its sequels. I genuinely like a lot of the ideas that Prometheus put forward, but not so much the fact that they were tackled in this universe. Or at least, not the fact that they were tackled with the Space Jockey.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 04:43:50 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 02, 2015, 04:43:50 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 02, 2015, 04:42:06 AMDitto. I said pretty much exactly the same thing in the "flow chart" thread just now.
Unfortunately it's really sloppily put together, especially in the second half of the film.
And it does, in a lot of ways, thematically contradict the ideas established in Alien and expanded on in its sequels. I genuinely like a lot of the ideas that Prometheus put forward, but not so much the fact that they were tackled in this universe. Or at least, not the fact that they were tackled with the Space Jockey.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 02, 2015, 08:52:54 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 02, 2015, 08:52:54 AM
People keep saying Prometheus 2 will link to the new film when everything Ridley has said implies Prometheus 2 will have even less to do with the Alien films than the first.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 02, 2015, 01:40:35 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 02, 2015, 01:40:35 PM
Has the video in this article been posted? It's my first time seeing it, at least.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/markcassidycbm/news/?a=116031 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/markcassidycbm/news/?a=116031)
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/markcassidycbm/news/?a=116031 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/markcassidycbm/news/?a=116031)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 02, 2015, 01:42:43 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 02, 2015, 01:42:43 PM
QuoteThe Aliens: Colonial Marines video game came up with a reasonably plausible explanation for Hicks' survival...
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: NO.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2015, 02:05:41 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2015, 02:05:41 PM
As I understand it, Alienkamp is supposed to be released after Prometheus 2, and I'm starting to wonder if this will be film that bridges both franchises. Has anyone hypothesized that one of the juggernauts seen in Prometheus will act as the catalyst for Blomkamp's film?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Mar 02, 2015, 02:24:45 PM
Post by: Magegg on Mar 02, 2015, 02:24:45 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2015, 02:05:41 PMAs I understand it, Alienkamp is supposed to be released after Prometheus 2, and I'm starting to wonder if this will be film that bridges both franchises. Has anyone hypothesized that one of the juggernauts seen in Prometheus will act as the catalyst for Blomkamp's film?Well, for what we've seen in concept art, the Engineer technology is prominent in this movie, I think there are good chances of a connection between the Aliens and Prometheus mythos in this movie.
What I don't want them to do is to use Prometheus 2 stuff as a plot device to retcon Alien 3 and 4... That would be just lazy.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Mar 02, 2015, 02:26:00 PM
Post by: Russ on Mar 02, 2015, 02:26:00 PM
wha? wait? wut? How :o
Forget lazy, how do you figure?
Forget lazy, how do you figure?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2015, 02:30:59 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2015, 02:30:59 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 02, 2015, 02:24:45 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2015, 02:05:41 PMAs I understand it, Alienkamp is supposed to be released after Prometheus 2, and I'm starting to wonder if this will be film that bridges both franchises. Has anyone hypothesized that one of the juggernauts seen in Prometheus will act as the catalyst for Blomkamp's film?Well, for what we've seen in concept art, the Engineer technology is prominent in this movie, I think there are good chances of a connection between the Aliens and Prometheus mythos in this movie.
What I don't want them to do is to use Prometheus 2 stuff as a plot device to retcon Alien 3 and 4... That would be just lazy.
A retcon like that wouldn't be possible, unless the Engineer's have time travel tech we haven't been exposed to yet.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Mar 02, 2015, 02:34:58 PM
Post by: Magegg on Mar 02, 2015, 02:34:58 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2015, 02:30:59 PMNo, it can be possible, if they explain some xenomorph "secret technology" like saying xenos are digital creatures and the DNA of everyone infected by them is sent to the Engineers planet and they use it to resurrect that people or something, I mean, it would be horrible, but it can be done...Quote from: Magegg on Mar 02, 2015, 02:24:45 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2015, 02:05:41 PMAs I understand it, Alienkamp is supposed to be released after Prometheus 2, and I'm starting to wonder if this will be film that bridges both franchises. Has anyone hypothesized that one of the juggernauts seen in Prometheus will act as the catalyst for Blomkamp's film?Well, for what we've seen in concept art, the Engineer technology is prominent in this movie, I think there are good chances of a connection between the Aliens and Prometheus mythos in this movie.
What I don't want them to do is to use Prometheus 2 stuff as a plot device to retcon Alien 3 and 4... That would be just lazy.
A retcon like that wouldn't be possible, unless the Engineer's have time travel tech we haven't been exposed to yet.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Mar 02, 2015, 02:44:31 PM
Post by: Russ on Mar 02, 2015, 02:44:31 PM
Ah, I see, Mag - I thought I'd missed something about Prom2 and had a melt-down *lol*
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2015, 02:46:27 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2015, 02:46:27 PM
The basic premise of Prometheus is the quest for eternal live. It is not outlandish to think that Shaw may be granted eternal life once she reaches the Engineer homeworld. In such a scenario, she may well live into the era that Ripley is in. That and getting stuck in cryosleep for a few decades could do the trick...
I personally think Shaw is somehow related to the Yutani side of things. In the initial viral videos for Prometheus when Shaw is doing her pitch, we see the Yutani logo. Its entirely possible that Shaw becomes the leader of Weyland-Yutani in the future and in the end we see a confrontation and ultimately an understanding between her and Ripley.
Far out conjecture, I know, but it would work...
I personally think Shaw is somehow related to the Yutani side of things. In the initial viral videos for Prometheus when Shaw is doing her pitch, we see the Yutani logo. Its entirely possible that Shaw becomes the leader of Weyland-Yutani in the future and in the end we see a confrontation and ultimately an understanding between her and Ripley.
Far out conjecture, I know, but it would work...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2015, 03:24:20 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2015, 03:24:20 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 02, 2015, 02:34:58 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2015, 02:30:59 PMNo, it can be possible, if they explain some xenomorph "secret technology" like saying xenos are digital creatures and the DNA of everyone infected by them is sent to the Engineers planet and they use it to resurrect that people or something, I mean, it would be horrible, but it can be done...Quote from: Magegg on Mar 02, 2015, 02:24:45 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2015, 02:05:41 PMAs I understand it, Alienkamp is supposed to be released after Prometheus 2, and I'm starting to wonder if this will be film that bridges both franchises. Has anyone hypothesized that one of the juggernauts seen in Prometheus will act as the catalyst for Blomkamp's film?Well, for what we've seen in concept art, the Engineer technology is prominent in this movie, I think there are good chances of a connection between the Aliens and Prometheus mythos in this movie.
What I don't want them to do is to use Prometheus 2 stuff as a plot device to retcon Alien 3 and 4... That would be just lazy.
A retcon like that wouldn't be possible, unless the Engineer's have time travel tech we haven't been exposed to yet.
I couldn't even make sense of that idea, so yes I pray they stay away from it.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2015, 02:46:27 PM
The basic premise of Prometheus is the quest for eternal live. It is not outlandish to think that Shaw may be granted eternal life once she reaches the Engineer homeworld. In such a scenario, she may well live into the era that Ripley is in. That and getting stuck in cryosleep for a few decades could do the trick...
It is outlandish, considering the Engineer killed Weyland after David asked the Engineer to grant him eternal life. I don't see why Shaw would receive a warmer reception.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Mar 02, 2015, 03:40:11 PM
Post by: Magegg on Mar 02, 2015, 03:40:11 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2015, 03:24:20 PMI couldn't even make sense of that idea, so yes I pray they stay away from it.It doesn't have to make sense, what I'm saying is that with Prometheus high sci-fi, opposed to Alien low sci-fi, they can basically solve things with a bumbo jumbo... Just hoping they won't "import" some of that logic into Alien 5.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 02, 2015, 03:46:59 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 02, 2015, 03:46:59 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 02, 2015, 03:40:11 PMIt doesn't have to make sense, what I'm saying is that with Prometheus high sci-fi, opposed to Alien low sci-fi, they can basically solve things with a bumbo jumbo...
OK, no, any retcon that's inclusive of the old films absolutely has to make sense, otherwise they're just taking the p*ss.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 02, 2015, 03:51:10 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 02, 2015, 03:51:10 PM
I agree HuDaFuk.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2015, 04:02:40 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2015, 04:02:40 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 02, 2015, 03:40:11 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2015, 03:24:20 PMI couldn't even make sense of that idea, so yes I pray they stay away from it.It doesn't have to make sense, what I'm saying is that with Prometheus high sci-fi, opposed to Alien low sci-fi, they can basically solve things with a bumbo jumbo... Just hoping they won't "import" some of that logic into Alien 5.
If they're meant to connect, they might :-\
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 02, 2015, 05:22:24 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 02, 2015, 05:22:24 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 02, 2015, 02:34:58 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2015, 02:30:59 PMNo, it can be possible, if they explain some xenomorph "secret technology" like saying xenos are digital creatures and the DNA of everyone infected by them is sent to the Engineers planet and they use it to resurrect that people or something, I mean, it would be horrible, but it can be done...Quote from: Magegg on Mar 02, 2015, 02:24:45 PMQuote from: DoomRulz on Mar 02, 2015, 02:05:41 PMAs I understand it, Alienkamp is supposed to be released after Prometheus 2, and I'm starting to wonder if this will be film that bridges both franchises. Has anyone hypothesized that one of the juggernauts seen in Prometheus will act as the catalyst for Blomkamp's film?Well, for what we've seen in concept art, the Engineer technology is prominent in this movie, I think there are good chances of a connection between the Aliens and Prometheus mythos in this movie.
What I don't want them to do is to use Prometheus 2 stuff as a plot device to retcon Alien 3 and 4... That would be just lazy.
A retcon like that wouldn't be possible, unless the Engineer's have time travel tech we haven't been exposed to yet.
Given the Engineer's worship of death, I hardly think they want to resurrect the dead or travel in time, or create "digital organisms". That's silly.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2015, 05:31:19 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2015, 05:31:19 PM
Who says they worship death? The scope of their religion has only been hinted at.
We're all "digital" creatures in a way. Every fibre of our existence is held together by the "information" contained within our DNA...
We're all "digital" creatures in a way. Every fibre of our existence is held together by the "information" contained within our DNA...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Dustie on Mar 03, 2015, 12:34:08 AM
Post by: Dustie on Mar 03, 2015, 12:34:08 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2015, 02:46:27 PM
The basic premise of Prometheus is the quest for eternal live. It is not outlandish to think that Shaw may be granted eternal life once she reaches the Engineer homeworld. In such a scenario, she may well live into the era that Ripley is in. That and getting stuck in cryosleep for a few decades could do the trick...
I personally think Shaw is somehow related to the Yutani side of things. In the initial viral videos for Prometheus when Shaw is doing her pitch, we see the Yutani logo. Its entirely possible that Shaw becomes the leader of Weyland-Yutani in the future and in the end we see a confrontation and ultimately an understanding between her and Ripley.
Far out conjecture, I know, but it would work...
As in Shaw leading Yutani, because she's after whatever Engineers conjured up? Aliens, to be specific?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 03, 2015, 10:01:36 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 03, 2015, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: Dustie on Mar 03, 2015, 12:34:08 AMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 02, 2015, 02:46:27 PM
The basic premise of Prometheus is the quest for eternal live. It is not outlandish to think that Shaw may be granted eternal life once she reaches the Engineer homeworld. In such a scenario, she may well live into the era that Ripley is in. That and getting stuck in cryosleep for a few decades could do the trick...
I personally think Shaw is somehow related to the Yutani side of things. In the initial viral videos for Prometheus when Shaw is doing her pitch, we see the Yutani logo. Its entirely possible that Shaw becomes the leader of Weyland-Yutani in the future and in the end we see a confrontation and ultimately an understanding between her and Ripley.
Far out conjecture, I know, but it would work...
As in Shaw leading Yutani, because she's after whatever Engineers conjured up? Aliens, to be specific?
Yes kind of like that, though I don't think she had that motivation until after the confrontation in Prometheus. I think initially at least she wanted to meet her maker. Now she is essentially Ripley, in the sense that she will do whatever it takes to prevent the destruction of humanity. Although rather than just wanting to destroy the Aliens / Engineers outright, she needs to know why they hate us, whereas Ripley just wants to destroy them. It is an interesting set of counter-motivations for both characters. It would explain why Shaw's Weyland-Yutani wants to capture and study the Aliens at all cost, basically for her weapons program in defense against the Engineers. Under such a scenario, Ripley could some day come to embrace WY.
Massive conjecture I know, but thy have to make the Yutani connection at some point...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Mar 03, 2015, 11:14:49 PM
Post by: T Dog on Mar 03, 2015, 11:14:49 PM
You guys seen this latest interview with Blomkamp?
When asked about Ripley and Hicks coming back he coyly and mischievously says "mmmmmmm hopefully we'll see them", as in "yes you will see them".
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a631526/new-alien-movie-secrets-revealed-sigourney-weaver-michael-biehn-to-return.html#~p5UyugpCv6lN4m (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a631526/new-alien-movie-secrets-revealed-sigourney-weaver-michael-biehn-to-return.html#~p5UyugpCv6lN4m)
When asked about Ripley and Hicks coming back he coyly and mischievously says "mmmmmmm hopefully we'll see them", as in "yes you will see them".
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a631526/new-alien-movie-secrets-revealed-sigourney-weaver-michael-biehn-to-return.html#~p5UyugpCv6lN4m (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a631526/new-alien-movie-secrets-revealed-sigourney-weaver-michael-biehn-to-return.html#~p5UyugpCv6lN4m)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Mar 04, 2015, 06:15:20 AM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Mar 04, 2015, 06:15:20 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 03, 2015, 11:14:49 PMSome assumptions of what he wants to do tonally are confirmed here. He's hoping to have a bit of both. Cameron pretty much pulled it off until halfways around the movie where it went full action. The facehugger scene was great tension and terror as well. Hopefully Blomkamp succeeds in this. At least he sounds like he knows what to aim for.
You guys seen this latest interview with Blomkamp?
When asked about Ripley and Hicks coming back he coyly and mischievously says "mmmmmmm hopefully we'll see them", as in "yes you will see them".
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a631526/new-alien-movie-secrets-revealed-sigourney-weaver-michael-biehn-to-return.html#~p5UyugpCv6lN4m (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a631526/new-alien-movie-secrets-revealed-sigourney-weaver-michael-biehn-to-return.html#~p5UyugpCv6lN4m)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Mar 04, 2015, 11:52:48 AM
Post by: T Dog on Mar 04, 2015, 11:52:48 AM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Mar 04, 2015, 06:15:20 AMQuote from: tmjhur on Mar 03, 2015, 11:14:49 PMSome assumptions of what he wants to do tonally are confirmed here. He's hoping to have a bit of both. Cameron pretty much pulled it off until halfways around the movie where it went full action. The facehugger scene was great tension and terror as well. Hopefully Blomkamp succeeds in this. At least he sounds like he knows what to aim for.
You guys seen this latest interview with Blomkamp?
When asked about Ripley and Hicks coming back he coyly and mischievously says "mmmmmmm hopefully we'll see them", as in "yes you will see them".
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a631526/new-alien-movie-secrets-revealed-sigourney-weaver-michael-biehn-to-return.html#~p5UyugpCv6lN4m (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a631526/new-alien-movie-secrets-revealed-sigourney-weaver-michael-biehn-to-return.html#~p5UyugpCv6lN4m)
True, but this is the problem. Alien 3 WAS a return to the vibe of the first film except that it was even more horrific, nihilistc and disturbing. In a lot of ways, especially with it's slow burning pace and sense of dread, it is more of an art movie and true sequel to Alien. Yes the off screen deaths of Hicks and Newt felt unfair but it's a truly ballsy move.
Blomkamp thinks A3 "went off the rails" because it wasn't what he wanted as a fan, but the truth is that it's more of a true sequel to Alien than Aliens was.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 04, 2015, 01:25:08 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 04, 2015, 01:25:08 PM
A3 was a spiritual sequel at best, given the tone and pace of the film. But Aliens was a far superior movie, both as a sequel and just as an overall movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 04, 2015, 02:19:05 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 04, 2015, 02:19:05 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 04, 2015, 11:52:48 AMQuote from: xeno-kaname on Mar 04, 2015, 06:15:20 AMQuote from: tmjhur on Mar 03, 2015, 11:14:49 PMSome assumptions of what he wants to do tonally are confirmed here. He's hoping to have a bit of both. Cameron pretty much pulled it off until halfways around the movie where it went full action. The facehugger scene was great tension and terror as well. Hopefully Blomkamp succeeds in this. At least he sounds like he knows what to aim for.
You guys seen this latest interview with Blomkamp?
When asked about Ripley and Hicks coming back he coyly and mischievously says "mmmmmmm hopefully we'll see them", as in "yes you will see them".
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a631526/new-alien-movie-secrets-revealed-sigourney-weaver-michael-biehn-to-return.html#~p5UyugpCv6lN4m (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a631526/new-alien-movie-secrets-revealed-sigourney-weaver-michael-biehn-to-return.html#~p5UyugpCv6lN4m)
True, but this is the problem. Alien 3 WAS a return to the vibe of the first film except that it was even more horrific, nihilistc and disturbing. In a lot of ways, especially with it's slow burning pace and sense of dread, it is more of an art movie and true sequel to Alien. Yes the off screen deaths of Hicks and Newt felt unfair but it's a truly ballsy move.
Blomkamp thinks A3 "went off the rails" because it wasn't what he wanted as a fan, but the truth is that it's more of a true sequel to Alien than Aliens was.
You really nailed it!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 04, 2015, 03:14:52 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 04, 2015, 03:14:52 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 04, 2015, 01:25:08 PM
A3 was a spiritual sequel at best, given the tone and pace of the film. But Aliens was a far superior movie, both as a sequel and just as an overall movie.
Also true.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Mar 04, 2015, 03:18:43 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Mar 04, 2015, 03:18:43 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 04, 2015, 11:52:48 AM
Alien 3 WAS a return to the vibe of the first film except that it was even more horrific, nihilistc and disturbing.
It didn't recapture the feeling of the first one, it simply rehashed it.
It has a mood all of its own, but trying to be Alien torpedeod it because no one was in a position at the time to really do it right. Alien 3 isn't even a scary film; did anyone here genuinely feel afraid watchng it?
It pulled off nihilism in a Nietzschean sense. I'll always give it that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Mar 04, 2015, 03:34:15 PM
Post by: T Dog on Mar 04, 2015, 03:34:15 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 04, 2015, 03:18:43 PMQuote from: tmjhur on Mar 04, 2015, 11:52:48 AM
Alien 3 WAS a return to the vibe of the first film except that it was even more horrific, nihilistc and disturbing.
It didn't recapture the feeling of the first one, it simply rehashed it.
It has a mood all of its own, but trying to be Alien torpedeod it because no one was in a position at the time to really do it right. Alien 3 isn't even a scary film; did anyone here genuinely feel afraid watchng it?
It pulled off nihilism in a Nietzschean sense. I'll always give it that.
I agree wholeheartedly that the Alien was not scary in 3. There were some great scenes though - the candles going out and the flare lighting up the gasoline for instance.
I also agree with the above poster that Aliens was a superior movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Jarac on Mar 04, 2015, 03:47:18 PM
Post by: Jarac on Mar 04, 2015, 03:47:18 PM
I think the only svary bits of Alien 3 were the atmosphere abd the music. The Dog Alien itself was cool, but not scary. In the end, Aliens was the superior film. Some may hate the idea of the Alien Queen, but even Gieger himself loved it, and Scott liked the movie, too. It's one of the few movies that you can say seriously that it's on-par or better than the original and make good arguments as to why.
Alien 3 was a great spiritual successor to Alien, and considering all of the hell it went through to get made, it deserves praise, but I'm not gonna say that I love it, like I do the first two and wouldn't mind if it was side-stepped as part of an alternate timeline.
Alien 3 was a great spiritual successor to Alien, and considering all of the hell it went through to get made, it deserves praise, but I'm not gonna say that I love it, like I do the first two and wouldn't mind if it was side-stepped as part of an alternate timeline.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 04, 2015, 03:53:46 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 04, 2015, 03:53:46 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 04, 2015, 03:18:43 PM
It didn't recapture the feeling of the first one, it simply rehashed it.
It has a mood all of its own,
That seems a bit contradictory.
Alien 3 brought the franchise back to a more grounded level whereas Aliens pushed a more unrealistic level. (For the better I'll add because who isn't sold on Ripley walking out in the power loader towards the end?) They're both opposites with Alien's feeling falling somewhere in the middle.
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 04, 2015, 03:18:43 PM
Alien 3 isn't even a scary film; did anyone here genuinely feel afraid watchng it?
When I was younger the film scared me a lot, but I enjoyed the fear. As with the other movies that fear has slowly disappeared. However Alien 3 still makes me feel unsettled from the imagery in the movie.
Newt's autopsy, the shot of the bed lowering when the Alien enters the infirmary, the look in 85's eyes as he convulses on the floor after being shot, and I've always felt the horrific sudden impact of death from this shot...
It's feeling of a cold, dead, forgotten future will always one of the most hard hitting feelings a movie can give. Especially for the third film in a popular Hollywood franchise.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Jarac on Mar 04, 2015, 04:05:21 PM
Post by: Jarac on Mar 04, 2015, 04:05:21 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 04, 2015, 03:53:46 PMQuote from: Valaquen on Mar 04, 2015, 03:18:43 PM
It didn't recapture the feeling of the first one, it simply rehashed it.
It has a mood all of its own,
That seems a bit contradictory.
Alien 3 brought the franchise back to a more grounded level whereas Aliens pushed a more unrealistic level. (For the better I'll add because who isn't sold on Ripley walking out in the power loader towards the end?) They're both opposites with Alien's feeling falling somewhere in the middle.Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 04, 2015, 03:18:43 PM
Alien 3 isn't even a scary film; did anyone here genuinely feel afraid watchng it?
When I was younger the film scared me a lot, but I enjoyed the fear. As with the other movies that fear has slowly disappeared. However Alien 3 still makes me feel unsettled from the imagery in the movie.
Newt's autopsy, the shot of the bed lowering when the Alien enters the infirmary, the look in 85's eyes as he convulses on the floor after being shot, and I've always felt the horrific sudden impact of death from this shot...
http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxjxyrl0KD1qhj490o1_500.gif
It's feeling of a cold, dead, forgotten future will always one of the most hard hitting feelings a movie can give. Especially for the third film in a popular Hollywood franchise.
When I was younger, while I didn't find Alien 3 to be really scary, you bring up a good point about the tone, feel and visuals. It was disturbing, it was bleak, it was hopeless. You could feel the weight of the whole thing on your shoulders. Fincher did a great job with conveying this sense of dread and doom. But I also think that's why it was so jarring.
Coming off of Alien and Aliens it was completely unexpected. I think that's why my friends who I showed the movies to tend to like Alien and Aliens, but dislike A3, almost unfairly in my opinion. Yes, the killing off of Hicks and Newt so unceremoniously was bullshit, but it can't be denied that it fit with the tone of the movie. But again, I think people expected something different coming off of Aliens, a mixture between Alien and Aliens, something like the Dark Horse books and comics before A3 and A:R hit, but we didn't get that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Mar 04, 2015, 04:38:51 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Mar 04, 2015, 04:38:51 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 04, 2015, 03:53:46 PMQuote from: Valaquen on Mar 04, 2015, 03:18:43 PM
It didn't recapture the feeling of the first one, it simply rehashed it.
It has a mood all of its own,
That seems a bit contradictory.
It apes elements of Alien but it fails to be as effective as Alien when utilising those same tropes; however, it does successfully manage to convey its own mood independently of Alien. It failed in one aspect and succeeded in another.
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 04, 2015, 03:18:43 PM
When I was younger the film scared me a lot, but I enjoyed the fear. As with the other movies that fear has slowly disappeared. However Alien 3 still makes me feel unsettled from the imagery in the movie.
Newt's autopsy, the shot of the bed lowering when the Alien enters the infirmary, the look in 85's eyes as he convulses on the floor after being shot, and I've always felt the horrific sudden impact of death from this shot...
When I was younger the Addams Family cartoon frightened me :laugh: But I'm talking about viewing the film now, objectively (if we can): is it a horror movie like Alien? I'd say no. The Alien isn't the frightening thing about it, and I don't really care about what it does to most of the cast. It has a feeling of "everything's f**ked" that was expertly infused in the film, even if it came at the expense of the story itself.
It seems to me that every positive review of Alien 3 focuses on imagery rather than what's actually going on and why it's going on. It can be as beautiful as Samsara but the narrative is a hundred levels of f**ked up. It can make you feel, yes, but using your noodle will spoil a lot of what's going on.
I love a lot of the film so I don't need an essay on what I'm missing; for me it's a triumph of visuals and audio and acting but a complete mess of storytelling.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 04, 2015, 05:12:38 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 04, 2015, 05:12:38 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 04, 2015, 04:38:51 PM
It seems to me that every positive review of Alien 3 focuses on imagery rather than what's actually going on and why it's going on.
...but a complete mess of storytelling.
It's story is about Ripley more than the alien itself. It's about her place in the universe and being faced with the unknown. As the final chapter in her story its plot is very fitting.
She is faced with not only a (seemingly) unstoppable predator but a world of anonymous monsters in the form of prisoners who only see her as an object, for the most part. It's only when both Ripley and the men who are full of sin are faced with judgement are they at their own moral mercy, should they try their best to stop the predator that stalks them ("Like a lion, it sticks close to the zebra") or should they bow out in cowardness?
You may have seen this analysis but they've pretty much nailed why its important not only as an alien movie but a film in general.
https://vimeo.com/76672771
Alien 3 was and always will be the end of Ripley's story and a film about endings altogether.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Mar 04, 2015, 07:05:13 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Mar 04, 2015, 07:05:13 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 04, 2015, 11:52:48 AMYeah but with Aliens the movie had already advanced the franchise into a new direction. A3 was pretty much regression when it wasn't intended to be. That's just how the cards fell because of the development hell.Quote from: xeno-kaname on Mar 04, 2015, 06:15:20 AMQuote from: tmjhur on Mar 03, 2015, 11:14:49 PMSome assumptions of what he wants to do tonally are confirmed here. He's hoping to have a bit of both. Cameron pretty much pulled it off until halfways around the movie where it went full action. The facehugger scene was great tension and terror as well. Hopefully Blomkamp succeeds in this. At least he sounds like he knows what to aim for.
You guys seen this latest interview with Blomkamp?
When asked about Ripley and Hicks coming back he coyly and mischievously says "mmmmmmm hopefully we'll see them", as in "yes you will see them".
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a631526/new-alien-movie-secrets-revealed-sigourney-weaver-michael-biehn-to-return.html#~p5UyugpCv6lN4m (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a631526/new-alien-movie-secrets-revealed-sigourney-weaver-michael-biehn-to-return.html#~p5UyugpCv6lN4m)
True, but this is the problem. Alien 3 WAS a return to the vibe of the first film except that it was even more horrific, nihilistc and disturbing. In a lot of ways, especially with it's slow burning pace and sense of dread, it is more of an art movie and true sequel to Alien. Yes the off screen deaths of Hicks and Newt felt unfair but it's a truly ballsy move.
Blomkamp thinks A3 "went off the rails" because it wasn't what he wanted as a fan, but the truth is that it's more of a true sequel to Alien than Aliens was.
Now I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't enjoy Aliens-esque action with Marines for this movie, but that isn't what I want. And even though Hicks might be back, I don't think that's what Blomkamp wants either. Hicks and Rip are holding rifles sure but that's just how it has to be. That's what Ripley became and that's what Hicks had always been. And sure we might get some cheesy (but hopefully great) one liners and some "pew pew pew" but this doesn't mean it will be a rehash of Aliens. And I honestly don't get those vibes from his concept art. Obviously in the same vein as the first two, but it still feels different. And that's what excites me about it.
Even if it get very action heavy, I think he'd focus it on Hicks and Rip. I think that alone would bring a unique dynamic to the action, even though there was a bit of that in Aliens. They're probably trying to finish the job by destroying the derelict shown in the concept art.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 04, 2015, 01:25:08 PMThis.
A3 was a spiritual sequel at best, given the tone and pace of the film. But Aliens was a far superior movie, both as a sequel and just as an overall movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Mar 04, 2015, 07:13:06 PM
Post by: T Dog on Mar 04, 2015, 07:13:06 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Mar 04, 2015, 07:05:13 PMQuote from: tmjhur on Mar 04, 2015, 11:52:48 AMYeah but with Aliens the movie had already advanced the franchise into a new direction. A3 was pretty much regression when it wasn't intended to be. That's just how the cards fell because of the development hell.Quote from: xeno-kaname on Mar 04, 2015, 06:15:20 AMQuote from: tmjhur on Mar 03, 2015, 11:14:49 PMSome assumptions of what he wants to do tonally are confirmed here. He's hoping to have a bit of both. Cameron pretty much pulled it off until halfways around the movie where it went full action. The facehugger scene was great tension and terror as well. Hopefully Blomkamp succeeds in this. At least he sounds like he knows what to aim for.
You guys seen this latest interview with Blomkamp?
When asked about Ripley and Hicks coming back he coyly and mischievously says "mmmmmmm hopefully we'll see them", as in "yes you will see them".
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a631526/new-alien-movie-secrets-revealed-sigourney-weaver-michael-biehn-to-return.html#~p5UyugpCv6lN4m (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a631526/new-alien-movie-secrets-revealed-sigourney-weaver-michael-biehn-to-return.html#~p5UyugpCv6lN4m)
True, but this is the problem. Alien 3 WAS a return to the vibe of the first film except that it was even more horrific, nihilistc and disturbing. In a lot of ways, especially with it's slow burning pace and sense of dread, it is more of an art movie and true sequel to Alien. Yes the off screen deaths of Hicks and Newt felt unfair but it's a truly ballsy move.
Blomkamp thinks A3 "went off the rails" because it wasn't what he wanted as a fan, but the truth is that it's more of a true sequel to Alien than Aliens was.
Now I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't enjoy Aliens-esque action with Marines for this movie, but that isn't what I want. And even though Hicks might be back, I don't think that's what Blomkamp wants either. Hicks and Rip are holding rifles sure but that's just how it has to be. That's what Ripley became and that's what Hicks had always been. And sure we might get some cheesy (but hopefully great) one liners and some "pew pew pew" but this doesn't mean it will be a rehash of Aliens. And I honestly don't get those vibes from his concept art. Obviously in the same vein as the first two, but it still feels different. And that's what excites me about it.
Even if it get very action heavy, I think he'd focus it on Hicks and Rip. I think that alone would bring a unique dynamic to the action, even though there was a bit of that in Aliens. They're probably trying to finish the job by destroying the derelict shown in the concept art.Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 04, 2015, 01:25:08 PMThis.
A3 was a spiritual sequel at best, given the tone and pace of the film. But Aliens was a far superior movie, both as a sequel and just as an overall movie.
I don't think A:3 was a regression more in so that they wanted to get back to the core of one frightening alien instead of the cannon fodder aliens of the Cameron's movie. They probably failed in regard to making the Alien frightening again.
They wanted to do something outlandish and new in terms of setting which I think they achieved.
Maybe you mean regression in terms of the momentum of the series. They always had the idea of going to planet of the aliens which they probably wouldn't have been able to pull off well in 92. For me the perfect Alien 3 would have had them go back to the derelict and explore the Jockeys and find out where they came from and go to their home planet. It's really baffling how nobody thought of going back to the Jockeys before Prometheus considering that's where there is the most potential for the future of the series.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 04, 2015, 07:14:56 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 04, 2015, 07:14:56 PM
Guys, please remember this thread is about the new film, not Alien 3. Stay on topic.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Mar 04, 2015, 07:42:23 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Mar 04, 2015, 07:42:23 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 04, 2015, 07:14:56 PMDoom, to be fair, I think that's impossible. Since this is pretty much an alternate Alien 3. The parallels it will/should/won't/should not make with that film will keep being brought up.
Guys, please remember this thread is about the new film, not Alien 3. Stay on topic.
Honestly I think me and tmjhur weren't talking about it at all until somebody veered us into it again with a strong and harsh opinion of the direction. It's a vicious circle! :'(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Mar 04, 2015, 11:04:18 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Mar 04, 2015, 11:04:18 PM
Comparisons will be made. There's no stopping it. Especially this early in development.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: reecebomb on Mar 04, 2015, 11:10:09 PM
Post by: reecebomb on Mar 04, 2015, 11:10:09 PM
In before many of you witness Alien V end up being worse than Alien 3 (or even A:Res). :-X
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Mar 05, 2015, 12:47:27 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Mar 05, 2015, 12:47:27 AM
At this rate I'd be happy with Pitch Black 3 (Riddick) quality wise for alien 5. :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 05, 2015, 03:02:43 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 05, 2015, 03:02:43 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 05, 2015, 12:47:27 AM
At this rate I'd be happy with Pitch Black 3 (Riddick) quality wise for alien 5. :laugh:
That would be amazing, not gonna lie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Jarac on Mar 05, 2015, 03:07:01 AM
Post by: Jarac on Mar 05, 2015, 03:07:01 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 05, 2015, 12:47:27 AM
At this rate I'd be happy with Pitch Black 3 (Riddick) quality wise for alien 5. :laugh:
Honestly, that wouldn't be bad at all.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Mar 05, 2015, 04:35:37 AM
Post by: marrerom on Mar 05, 2015, 04:35:37 AM
I stumbled across this article from September 2014 and it just totally stunned me:
http://www.scified.com/site/aliensvspredator/could-20th-century-fox-be-planning-to-retcon-the-alien-saga (http://www.scified.com/site/aliensvspredator/could-20th-century-fox-be-planning-to-retcon-the-alien-saga)
This guy predicted everything! He must know Blomkamp or something because this is just too freakishly accurate.
http://www.scified.com/site/aliensvspredator/could-20th-century-fox-be-planning-to-retcon-the-alien-saga (http://www.scified.com/site/aliensvspredator/could-20th-century-fox-be-planning-to-retcon-the-alien-saga)
This guy predicted everything! He must know Blomkamp or something because this is just too freakishly accurate.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Mar 05, 2015, 05:51:03 AM
Post by: Magegg on Mar 05, 2015, 05:51:03 AM
That's simply called wishful thinking ::)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Mar 05, 2015, 06:27:24 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Mar 05, 2015, 06:27:24 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 05, 2015, 05:51:03 AMIt appears to be a logical guess after reading the article. Now if they retcon a3a4 out of existence then I would call it a perfect prediction.
That's simply called wishful thinking ::)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Mar 05, 2015, 07:03:30 AM
Post by: Magegg on Mar 05, 2015, 07:03:30 AM
Not so much of a prediction, because you say, it's logical. People generally remember the first two movies as the high points of the franchise and think the 3 and 4 parts derailed the series, it's a kind of secret wish for them for those movies to disappear from continuity, I think everybody has thought about that at some point ::)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 05, 2015, 12:50:57 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 05, 2015, 12:50:57 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Mar 05, 2015, 04:35:37 AM
I stumbled across this article from September 2014 and it just totally stunned me:
http://www.scified.com/site/aliensvspredator/could-20th-century-fox-be-planning-to-retcon-the-alien-saga (http://www.scified.com/site/aliensvspredator/could-20th-century-fox-be-planning-to-retcon-the-alien-saga)
This guy predicted everything! He must know Blomkamp or something because this is just too freakishly accurate.
I'm suprised Carrie Henn signed that, she absolutely hates that line "mostly come out night..mostly" due to all her friends making fun of it all the time. She mentions it in the Aliens commentary and during the scene the line is said.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Mar 05, 2015, 04:13:51 PM
Post by: marrerom on Mar 05, 2015, 04:13:51 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 05, 2015, 07:03:30 AM
Not so much of a prediction, because you say, it's logical. People generally remember the first two movies as the high points of the franchise and think the 3 and 4 parts derailed the series, it's a kind of secret wish for them for those movies to disappear from continuity, I think everybody has thought about that at some point ::)
logical? The part where he says:
"A true Alien 3, probably set 30+ years after the events of 1986's Aliens with a "mature" Weaver and Biehn, accompanied by a late 30s actress in the role of Newt settled on Earth, with the evil Weyland-Yutani somehow getting their hands on their long coveted prize, possibly from the crashed derelict Juggernaut on Acheron LV-426."
is so accurate its freaky. Keep in mind that this is way back in September before any concept art was release.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Mar 05, 2015, 06:49:58 PM
Post by: Magegg on Mar 05, 2015, 06:49:58 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Mar 05, 2015, 04:13:51 PMIt's because nowadays have passed 30+ years since Aliens, and the rest is simply a rehash of the most classic Alien/s story with a dash of the recent Prometehus.Quote from: Magegg on Mar 05, 2015, 07:03:30 AM
Not so much of a prediction, because you say, it's logical. People generally remember the first two movies as the high points of the franchise and think the 3 and 4 parts derailed the series, it's a kind of secret wish for them for those movies to disappear from continuity, I think everybody has thought about that at some point ::)
logical? The part where he says:
"A true Alien 3, probably set 30+ years after the events of 1986's Aliens with a "mature" Weaver and Biehn, accompanied by a late 30s actress in the role of Newt settled on Earth, with the evil Weyland-Yutani somehow getting their hands on their long coveted prize, possibly from the crashed derelict Juggernaut on Acheron LV-426."
is so accurate its freaky. Keep in mind that this is way back in September before any concept art was release.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 05, 2015, 08:37:48 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 05, 2015, 08:37:48 PM
"True sequel" cracks me up every time... :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Mar 05, 2015, 10:05:47 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Mar 05, 2015, 10:05:47 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 05, 2015, 08:37:48 PM
"True sequel" cracks me up every time... :D
I always see folk saying the same for Alien 3 in relation to Alien. If that's what it is for them, fair enough.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 05, 2015, 10:10:35 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 05, 2015, 10:10:35 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 05, 2015, 10:05:47 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 05, 2015, 08:37:48 PM
"True sequel" cracks me up every time... :D
I always see folk saying the same for Alien 3 in relation to Alien. If that's what it is for them, fair enough.
Who says that? I've never heard anyone say that before. I've heard people saying that it's tone is closer to ALIEN than ALIENS, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Mar 05, 2015, 10:23:39 PM
Post by: Magegg on Mar 05, 2015, 10:23:39 PM
It isn't really, Alien 3 is overly dramatic.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Master on Mar 05, 2015, 10:42:16 PM
Post by: Master on Mar 05, 2015, 10:42:16 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 05, 2015, 08:37:48 PM
"True sequel" cracks me up every time... :D
Me too. Sounds like butthurt fanboy.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Mar 05, 2015, 10:43:03 PM
Post by: Magegg on Mar 05, 2015, 10:43:03 PM
Let's use "superior sequel" ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 05, 2015, 10:50:11 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 05, 2015, 10:50:11 PM
I... I don't know how to feel now.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Mar 05, 2015, 11:23:13 PM
Post by: T Dog on Mar 05, 2015, 11:23:13 PM
He should really just continue on with RIpley 8 and finish the story.
Bret Easton Ellis was right about this being "generation wuss". "Awwwwww mommy mommy Hicks ish deaddddd waaaaaaaaahh."
Bret Easton Ellis was right about this being "generation wuss". "Awwwwww mommy mommy Hicks ish deaddddd waaaaaaaaahh."
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Mar 05, 2015, 11:26:48 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Mar 05, 2015, 11:26:48 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 05, 2015, 10:43:03 PMOr truer sequel ;D
Let's use "superior sequel" ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Mar 05, 2015, 11:34:50 PM
Post by: Magegg on Mar 05, 2015, 11:34:50 PM
The true sequel is Alien Outbreak 8)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 05, 2015, 11:42:08 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 05, 2015, 11:42:08 PM
The true best perfect sequel is Alien3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Mar 06, 2015, 12:10:09 AM
Post by: Magegg on Mar 06, 2015, 12:10:09 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 05, 2015, 11:42:08 PMGood luck trying to convince anyone of that ::)
The true best perfect sequel is Alien3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Jarac on Mar 06, 2015, 12:26:22 AM
Post by: Jarac on Mar 06, 2015, 12:26:22 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 05, 2015, 11:23:13 PM
He should really just continue on with RIpley 8 and finish the story.
Bret Easton Ellis was right about this being "generation wuss". "Awwwwww mommy mommy Hicks ish deaddddd waaaaaaaaahh."
Except I wouldn't go to see it, and many people wouldn't because Resurrection sucks and truly marked the downfall of the franchise. I see QQ from people who are saying "NO ALIEN 4 IS PERFECT!"
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Mar 06, 2015, 01:13:59 AM
Post by: T Dog on Mar 06, 2015, 01:13:59 AM
Quote from: Jarac on Mar 06, 2015, 12:26:22 AMQuote from: tmjhur on Mar 05, 2015, 11:23:13 PM
He should really just continue on with RIpley 8 and finish the story.
Bret Easton Ellis was right about this being "generation wuss". "Awwwwww mommy mommy Hicks ish deaddddd waaaaaaaaahh."
Except I wouldn't go to see it, and many people wouldn't because Resurrection sucks and truly marked the downfall of the franchise. I see QQ from people who are saying "NO ALIEN 4 IS PERFECT!"
Resurrection is a far cry from the first 2 movies and certainly a step below 3, but I do think it is superior to Prometheus and doesn't "suck".
Just because it's not a great movie doesn't mean that a great movie can't be made using the reborn Ripley character from that movie. I think it's just better that Hicks and Newt be left dead and then they can finally just finish the Ripley story for good instead of doing any retcon nonsense.
Blomkamp's movie could easily end up being worse than 3 and where the f**k is the series gonna be then?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 01:18:59 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 01:18:59 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 06, 2015, 12:10:09 AMI don't need to, most people think it already. Only a small, vocal subset of fanboys think otherwise :)
Good luck trying to convince anyone of that ::)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Mar 06, 2015, 01:34:18 AM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Mar 06, 2015, 01:34:18 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 01:18:59 AMQuote from: Magegg on Mar 06, 2015, 12:10:09 AMI don't need to, most people think it already. Only a small, vocal subset of fanboys think otherwise :)
Good luck trying to convince anyone of that ::)
For me its an enough good sequel and closure of the series. I don't care too much what other people think bout it really.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Mar 06, 2015, 01:45:08 AM
Post by: Valaquen on Mar 06, 2015, 01:45:08 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 05, 2015, 10:10:35 PMQuote from: Valaquen on Mar 05, 2015, 10:05:47 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 05, 2015, 08:37:48 PM
"True sequel" cracks me up every time... :D
I always see folk saying the same for Alien 3 in relation to Alien. If that's what it is for them, fair enough.
Who says that? I've never heard anyone say that before. I've heard people saying that it's tone is closer to ALIEN than ALIENS, but that's about it.
A lot of Alien 3 fans from around the internet who don't favour Cameron's movie. Put it down to anecdotal evidence, not a blanket or factual statement.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 06, 2015, 01:49:14 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 06, 2015, 01:49:14 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 06, 2015, 01:45:08 AMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 05, 2015, 10:10:35 PMQuote from: Valaquen on Mar 05, 2015, 10:05:47 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 05, 2015, 08:37:48 PM
"True sequel" cracks me up every time... :D
I always see folk saying the same for Alien 3 in relation to Alien. If that's what it is for them, fair enough.
Who says that? I've never heard anyone say that before. I've heard people saying that it's tone is closer to ALIEN than ALIENS, but that's about it.
A lot of Alien 3 fans from around the internet who don't favour Cameron's movie. Put it down to anecdotal evidence, not a blanket or factual statement.
Yeah, I think they tend to exaggerate how "bleak" Alien is.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Mar 06, 2015, 01:56:38 AM
Post by: Magegg on Mar 06, 2015, 01:56:38 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Mar 06, 2015, 01:34:18 AMHa ha, yeah. You better stay there in your little personal world :DQuote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 01:18:59 AMQuote from: Magegg on Mar 06, 2015, 12:10:09 AMI don't need to, most people think it already. Only a small, vocal subset of fanboys think otherwise :)
Good luck trying to convince anyone of that ::)
For me its an enough good sequel and closure of the series. I don't care too much what other people think bout it really.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 02:08:48 AM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 02:08:48 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 06, 2015, 01:45:08 AMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 05, 2015, 10:10:35 PMQuote from: Valaquen on Mar 05, 2015, 10:05:47 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 05, 2015, 08:37:48 PM
"True sequel" cracks me up every time... :D
I always see folk saying the same for Alien 3 in relation to Alien. If that's what it is for them, fair enough.
Who says that? I've never heard anyone say that before. I've heard people saying that it's tone is closer to ALIEN than ALIENS, but that's about it.
A lot of Alien 3 fans from around the internet who don't favour Cameron's movie. Put it down to anecdotal evidence, not a blanket or factual statement.
Fair enough. But compared to the raging mobs that refuse to see it as a "true" sequel it doesn't even compare.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Jarac on Mar 06, 2015, 03:20:41 AM
Post by: Jarac on Mar 06, 2015, 03:20:41 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 06, 2015, 01:13:59 AMQuote from: Jarac on Mar 06, 2015, 12:26:22 AMQuote from: tmjhur on Mar 05, 2015, 11:23:13 PM
He should really just continue on with RIpley 8 and finish the story.
Bret Easton Ellis was right about this being "generation wuss". "Awwwwww mommy mommy Hicks ish deaddddd waaaaaaaaahh."
Except I wouldn't go to see it, and many people wouldn't because Resurrection sucks and truly marked the downfall of the franchise. I see QQ from people who are saying "NO ALIEN 4 IS PERFECT!"
Resurrection is a far cry from the first 2 movies and certainly a step below 3, but I do think it is superior to Prometheus and doesn't "suck".
Just because it's not a great movie doesn't mean that a great movie can't be made using the reborn Ripley character from that movie. I think it's just better that Hicks and Newt be left dead and then they can finally just finish the Ripley story for good instead of doing any retcon nonsense.
Blomkamp's movie could easily end up being worse than 3 and where the f**k is the series gonna be then?
The same place it has been since Resurrection - in the dump. I think that most fans would rather see a parallel timeline that continued after Aliens than see a movie post-Resurrection. That's been a dream of (dare I say) most fans for years.
Continuing the series after Resurrection or Aliens with a semi-retcon are both risks, but I think Fox recognizes that there's greater potential and less flak to be taken by doing what Blomkamp and many fans have wanted for years. I hope it succeeds. If Fox wanted to continue after A:R or thought it was viable, they would have done it years ago.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Feeds On Minds on Mar 06, 2015, 04:47:27 AM
Post by: Feeds On Minds on Mar 06, 2015, 04:47:27 AM
The less than stellar reviews of 'Chappie' leave me dreading what garbage he has planned for Alien.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Close Encounters on Mar 06, 2015, 06:58:11 AM
Post by: Close Encounters on Mar 06, 2015, 06:58:11 AM
Quote from: Jarac on Mar 06, 2015, 03:20:41 AM
The same place it has been since Resurrection - in the dump. I think that most fans would rather see a parallel timeline that continued after Aliens than see a movie post-Resurrection. That's been a dream of (dare I say) most fans for years.
Continuing the series after Resurrection or Aliens with a revoot are both risks, but I think Fox recognizes that there's greater potential and less flak to be taken by doing what Blomkamp and many fans have wanted for years. I hope it succeeds. If Fox wanted to continue after A:R or thought it was viable, they would have done it years ago.
Pretty much this. There's very little risk involved with letting Blomkamp do as he wishes vs letting the franchise wilt into obscurity. Do you realize that there are teenagers today who have never been alive during the release of an Alien film? How long is the franchise going to last if that keeps up? No new fans=no new money=dead franchise.
I figure that if this franchise wants to stay relevant to the casual moviegoer, it needs a new movie. Soon. And Blomkamp's treatment is the closest the franchise has gotten to one in 15 years. Let the man work his magic. If it doesn't work out, it may be time to take the Alien franchise out back and give it a quick end. Or give it to a nice farm family. Which is where it pretty much is right now.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 06, 2015, 08:36:31 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 06, 2015, 08:36:31 AM
Quote from: Close Encounters on Mar 06, 2015, 06:58:11 AMPretty much this. There's very little risk involved with letting Blomkamp do as he wishes vs letting the franchise wilt into obscurity. Do you realize that there are teenagers today who have never been alive during the release of an Alien film? How long is the franchise going to last if that keeps up? No new fans=no new money=dead franchise.
I don't think anyone's bitching about them making a new film. Some people just don't like the direction it's heading. It's not like this is the only thing they could've done with the franchise. There are a hundred other Alien movies they could've made.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 06, 2015, 08:38:38 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 06, 2015, 08:38:38 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 06, 2015, 08:36:31 AM
I don't think anyone's bitching about them making a new film. Some people just don't like the direction it's heading. It's not like this is the only thing they could've done with the franchise. There are a hundred other Alien movies they could've made.
Like a series of stand-alones, right?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 06, 2015, 08:56:41 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 06, 2015, 08:56:41 AM
That's one possibility. Or you could do something with Morse, you could finish Ripley 8, you could start a new series of films with new characters...
There are a load of possibilities.
There are a load of possibilities.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2015, 09:01:28 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2015, 09:01:28 AM
Indeed there are. I wish people would stop relying on Ripley for Alien and branch away from her and Weaver.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 06, 2015, 09:05:59 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 06, 2015, 09:05:59 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 06, 2015, 08:56:41 AM
That's one possibility. Or you could do something with Morse, you could finish Ripley 8, you could start a new series of films with new characters...
There are a load of possibilities.
I'll be honest here.. I may not be as big as a fan of Alien as I am with Predator but I really am not keen on the large scale retconning the franchises are going through. Haven't been for five years. It's kind of like PREDATORS all over again but since it's Alien, it's not that big of a deal for me but I don't like that Blomkamp more or less is... dismissing Alien 3.
That's not to say I don't see a silver lining here. I mean if what he says about not writing out or undoing Alien 3 and Resurrection are concerned, then maybe that regulates Alien 3 and Resurrection as alternatives. Essentially giving us two continuities. Call them timelines, alternate universes or simply just alternate routes.. Whatever, the silver lining is I see it as giving fans even more power to choose from. Providing of course Blomkamp doesn't pull a Dallas or Roseanne on us and writes the two films off as dreams.
So for me.. kind of a double edged sword. I see why and understand why you don't like the direction, trust me, I've been there with PREDATORS but I'm a little more.. what's the word.. Well, I'll go with a phrase. I see it as the glass half full, and have a different perspective from other fans here.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2015, 09:01:28 AM
Indeed there are. I wish people would stop relying on Ripley for Alien and branch away from her and Weaver.
That's all Fox's decision and mandate.. We're getting Ripley in the EU material, in more ways than one and now it's happening in the films. Personally.. It's a turn off for me and it just makes me kind of "Meh" towards the new canon.
You know amongst all this Alien madness happening.. I'm surprised we haven't heard much from Shane Black recently.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 09:12:45 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 09:12:45 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2015, 09:01:28 AM
Indeed there are. I wish people would stop relying on Ripley for Alien and branch away from her and Weaver.
My position on this is honestly a little more complicated.
If Alien Resurrection did not exist, I would agree with the no-retcon crowd. However, it does exist, and it basically forces you to ignore it if you want to do something set before it in the Alien universe (unless you go the Alien Isolation route), or you have to follow on from where it left off, which just doesn't sound creatively interesting to me. The *only* thing about the idea I like is one single image I had in my head many years ago, of a Jockey spaceship hovering hauntingly over a city. The idea of finally closing out the build up to the idea the series has hinted at since the beginning, the nightmare of the aliens coming to Earth and putting us on the endangered species list.
One idea i can think of is taking a page out of Outland and Alien Isolation. Set somewhere on the fringe of space, Weyland Yutani, or some other megacorporation, are doing something shady on this outpost, and a Marshal is basically wrapped up in a mystery. Something is now killing people and he has to figure out what has gone on. Of course, it's an Alien, and he deals with it.
Now I want to see if I can edit an Outland/Alien crossover. Hah. :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Mar 06, 2015, 10:16:13 AM
Post by: Russ on Mar 06, 2015, 10:16:13 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 06, 2015, 09:01:28 AM
Indeed there are. I wish people would stop relying on Ripley for Alien and branch away from her and Weaver.
I'm sure that it will - after this one. It has to be a set-up for a continuation - it's a franchise after all (they're not even trying to kick a franchise off in the way, say, that the Expendables were. So I'm really sure that this is being developed as the end of one cycle (Rippers and Hicks) and the jumping off point for a new one.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Mar 06, 2015, 10:20:56 AM
Post by: whiterabbit on Mar 06, 2015, 10:20:56 AM
I hate to say it but maybe it is due to pure laziness that they are going to piggy back off of the general popularity of Aliens instead of doing a proper reboot? Heck they are even tapping into the general audiences dissatisfaction with Alien3. Plus honestly how can you screw up an action movie, all they have to do is give us a Clone of Aliens with that little bit of extra boss fight and pow, cash cow. Wouldn't surprise me if it is PG13.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 06, 2015, 10:28:12 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 06, 2015, 10:28:12 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 06, 2015, 10:20:56 AMWouldn't surprise me if it is PG13.
I actually seriously doubt they'd do that, given that all of Blomkamp's existing films have been hard R sci-fi action films. He's proved he can do that kind of film and turn a profit. Also you have the reaction to AVP's rating. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't repeat that mistake.
Then again, with studios, who the f*ck knows?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: gabgrave on Mar 06, 2015, 11:10:26 AM
Post by: gabgrave on Mar 06, 2015, 11:10:26 AM
Having just watched Chappie, I'll say this for Blomkamp: Not going to spoil anything, but when the action starts, kids need to cover their eyes. It's quite likely that A5 won't end up being PG13, since that would limit the direction Blomkamp wants to take it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 06, 2015, 12:50:46 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 06, 2015, 12:50:46 PM
I really do hope the rating will be an R, a lot of films have been spoiled because they "want to reach a wider audience". Stupid ideas result in stupid films.
Nothing wrong with current audience, more fans will come because of word of mouth or from dvds, no need to dilute a film and I know blood and gore doesn't make a film good but it can be a signature of a film or franchise.
Nothing wrong with current audience, more fans will come because of word of mouth or from dvds, no need to dilute a film and I know blood and gore doesn't make a film good but it can be a signature of a film or franchise.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 01:23:04 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 01:23:04 PM
It's also not exactly the sole thing decided by a rating. Dialogue/thematic elements can be cut back for a "wider" audience and not have as intense or potentially "offensive" content therein.
That was the only reason the "R" rating for AvPR gave me any kind of a positive hope, that maybe the film would at least have the intensity and mature themes that the other Alien and Predator movies had, and not feel so limp like the first one did... But alas.
Methinks Chappie will turn out to be a bit of a cult favorite in a few years time.
That was the only reason the "R" rating for AvPR gave me any kind of a positive hope, that maybe the film would at least have the intensity and mature themes that the other Alien and Predator movies had, and not feel so limp like the first one did... But alas.
Methinks Chappie will turn out to be a bit of a cult favorite in a few years time.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Jarac on Mar 06, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
Post by: Jarac on Mar 06, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 06, 2015, 08:36:31 AMQuote from: Close Encounters on Mar 06, 2015, 06:58:11 AMPretty much this. There's very little risk involved with letting Blomkamp do as he wishes vs letting the franchise wilt into obscurity. Do you realize that there are teenagers today who have never been alive during the release of an Alien film? How long is the franchise going to last if that keeps up? No new fans=no new money=dead franchise.
I don't think anyone's bitching about them making a new film. Some people just don't like the direction it's heading. It's not like this is the only thing they could've done with the franchise. There are a hundred other Alien movies they could've made.
I agree, I don't like how they've pretty much relied upon Ripley over the years and they can't seem to let her go. However, if Fox is going to keep Ripley around for the next film, it was better for them to continue from Aliens than Alien: Resurrection. Resurrection is much more reviled and was a product of Fox not wanting to let Ripley go.
Fox should have done different stories with new characters after Alien 3 (like the comics), but they were greedy and wanted to bring Ripley back for $$$$$$. I'm fine with Ripley and Hicks coming back in this film, but after this, they NEED to branch out to new characters and stories. The Ripley arc should have ended after Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Mar 06, 2015, 03:31:08 PM
Post by: xeno-kaname on Mar 06, 2015, 03:31:08 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 06, 2015, 10:20:56 AMI still say it's the opposite. Gave himself a hard ass time by bringing back sci fi legends he has to do justice to. And he chose to write a story about these characters in particular. He didn't have to at all he wasn't feeling pressure from anybody to churn out a script. Just something he was working on for himself. He probably hoped he could make it but that Foxwouldn't like the idea of ignoring 3 and Resurrection.
I hate to say it but maybe it is due to pure laziness that they are going to piggy back off of the general popularity of Aliens instead of doing a proper reboot? Heck they are even tapping into the general audiences dissatisfaction with Alien3. Plus honestly how can you screw up an action movie, all they have to do is give us a Clone of Aliens with that little bit of extra boss fight and pow, cash cow. Wouldn't surprise me if it is PG13.
So no not lazy but I'm sure things moved along so fast because Fox got $$ signs in their eyes when they heard "Ripley."
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 06, 2015, 03:42:08 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 06, 2015, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: Jarac on Mar 06, 2015, 02:22:42 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 06, 2015, 08:36:31 AMQuote from: Close Encounters on Mar 06, 2015, 06:58:11 AMPretty much this. There's very little risk involved with letting Blomkamp do as he wishes vs letting the franchise wilt into obscurity. Do you realize that there are teenagers today who have never been alive during the release of an Alien film? How long is the franchise going to last if that keeps up? No new fans=no new money=dead franchise.
I don't think anyone's bitching about them making a new film. Some people just don't like the direction it's heading. It's not like this is the only thing they could've done with the franchise. There are a hundred other Alien movies they could've made.
I agree, I don't like how they've pretty much relied upon Ripley over the years and they can't seem to let her go. However, if Fox is going to keep Ripley around for the next film, it was better for them to continue from Aliens than Alien: Resurrection. Resurrection is much more reviled and was a product of Fox not wanting to let Ripley go.
Fox should have done different stories with new characters after Alien 3 (like the comics), but they were greedy and wanted to bring Ripley back for $$$$$$. I'm fine with Ripley and Hicks coming back in this film, but after this, they NEED to branch out to new characters and stories. The Ripley arc should have ended after Alien 3.
This.
Ripley is a brilliant character and memorable, so is Hicks but the series is suffering because they won't let the character(s) go.
They even forced her in Out of the Shadows along with Ash and the book suffered for it.
There shouldn't be sequels to Resurrection because it will only be silly nonsense. Alien series was gritty and realistic, Resurrection was not, any sequel will likely not be either, case in point. Sea of Sorrows which is set after Resurrection, has fricken psychics in the book. :P
The series should not rely on Ripley, it needs to be original, Hicks was to be the new protoganist and would have been fine.
If they bring them back for this new film. Ripley story needs to be final, the end. No more Ripley after. Hicks can continue maybe but new character must be brought in and not archtypical ones either.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 04:00:21 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 04:00:21 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Mar 06, 2015, 10:20:56 AM
I hate to say it but maybe it is due to pure laziness that they are going to piggy back off of the general popularity of Aliens instead of doing a proper reboot? Heck they are even tapping into the general audiences dissatisfaction with Alien3. Plus honestly how can you screw up an action movie, all they have to do is give us a Clone of Aliens with that little bit of extra boss fight and pow, cash cow. Wouldn't surprise me if it is PG13.
Way too accurate.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 06, 2015, 04:02:05 PM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 06, 2015, 04:02:05 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 04:00:21 PMQuote from: whiterabbit on Mar 06, 2015, 10:20:56 AM
I hate to say it but maybe it is due to pure laziness that they are going to piggy back off of the general popularity of Aliens instead of doing a proper reboot? Heck they are even tapping into the general audiences dissatisfaction with Alien3. Plus honestly how can you screw up an action movie, all they have to do is give us a Clone of Aliens with that little bit of extra boss fight and pow, cash cow. Wouldn't surprise me if it is PG13.
Way too accurate.
Can't the same be said for Prometheus and its relationship with the AVP films?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 06, 2015, 04:47:12 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 06, 2015, 04:47:12 PM
No, because AVP was garbage, meaning the "laziness" wasn't laziness- Ridley just considered AVP irrelevant.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 06, 2015, 04:54:05 PM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 06, 2015, 04:54:05 PM
Funny how many fans consider A3 garbage and now Blomkamp is considering it irrelevant. ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 06, 2015, 04:57:34 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 06, 2015, 04:57:34 PM
Actually he said directly he isn't "undoing" Alien3, that he respects it.
Where-as Scott always hated AVP and rightfully so.
Where-as Scott always hated AVP and rightfully so.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 06, 2015, 05:05:55 PM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 06, 2015, 05:05:55 PM
Well, it's irrelevant to his movie, that's what I was getting at.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 06, 2015, 05:08:25 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 06, 2015, 05:08:25 PM
No, it's actually very relevant, many comparisons will be made.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 06, 2015, 05:14:51 PM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 06, 2015, 05:14:51 PM
Nice try, but we both know this will be a separate universe, comparisons notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 05:26:40 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 05:26:40 PM
It'll be very fun to go back and look at all these threads in a couple years, once the film has come out and whatever will be will be. I remember the pages upon pages of speculation and arguments over Prometheus in the lead up, and we were all so sure of our positions. It'll be great to have certain things verified and other preconceptions utterly smashed once again, hopefully though, the things being smashed will be any of those feelings that make us feel apprehension towards where this project is going at this point.
I also really don't agree that a retcon is a lazy writing choice at all. It's a brave choice with a lot of risk behind it. It can be executed in a lazy fashion, absolutely, but the idea behind a retcon is in and of itself not lazy.
I also really don't agree that a retcon is a lazy writing choice at all. It's a brave choice with a lot of risk behind it. It can be executed in a lazy fashion, absolutely, but the idea behind a retcon is in and of itself not lazy.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 06, 2015, 05:42:11 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 06, 2015, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 06, 2015, 05:08:25 PM
No, it's actually very relevant, many comparisons will be made.
Yep, the fact that Alien V may ignore or retcon Alien 3 because of how it turned out makes Alien 3 very relevant, no Alien 3 = no Alien V concept.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 06, 2015, 05:43:34 PM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 06, 2015, 05:43:34 PM
Sure, if that's your view on things :-\
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 06, 2015, 05:45:20 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 06, 2015, 05:45:20 PM
Its simple cause and effect.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Jarac on Mar 06, 2015, 06:38:35 PM
Post by: Jarac on Mar 06, 2015, 06:38:35 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 06, 2015, 05:26:40 PM
It'll be very fun to go back and look at all these threads in a couple years, once the film has come out and whatever will be will be. I remember the pages upon pages of speculation and arguments over Prometheus in the lead up, and we were all so sure of our positions. It'll be great to have certain things verified and other preconceptions utterly smashed once again, hopefully though, the things being smashed will be any of those feelings that make us feel apprehension towards where this project is going at this point.
I also really don't agree that a retcon is a lazy writing choice at all. It's a brave choice with a lot of risk behind it. It can be executed in a lazy fashion, absolutely, but the idea behind a retcon is in and of itself not lazy.
I agree with all of this. A retcon isn't lazy, it's about what you do with it. Blomkamp made it harder on himself because he has to make a movie that is better than the last two movies. He has to live up to the standards of the movies he idolizes (Qlien and Aliens). He's put a lot of press on himself. This is an iconic franchise that's loved and hss long since abused and most of uts fans are jaded by it.
He has a lot to live up to.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 08:44:12 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 08:44:12 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 08:42:16 PMGod yes there is.
Blomkamp IS lazy for doing a retcon. There is NO way around it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 08:48:39 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 08:48:39 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 06, 2015, 08:44:12 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 08:42:16 PMGod yes there is.
Blomkamp IS lazy for doing a retcon. There is NO way around it.
God yes there is no way around it indeed.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 08:49:15 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 08:49:15 PM
No, that's just you thinking that way.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 08:53:18 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 08:53:18 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 06, 2015, 08:49:15 PM
No, that's just you thinking that way.
Not really. Not at all.
But I guess if I was an ALIENS fanboy I would find Blomkamp's approach on this movie extremely valid. Ends justify the means, or something like that...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Crazy Rich on Mar 06, 2015, 08:53:43 PM
Post by: Crazy Rich on Mar 06, 2015, 08:53:43 PM
I have my cynical concerns but at the same time it's not in any way being lazy, if anything it creates more opportunity and flexibility.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 08:59:54 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 08:59:54 PM
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Mar 06, 2015, 08:53:43 PM
I have my cynical concerns but at the same time it's not in any way being lazy, if anything it creates more opportunity and flexibility.
By being lazy and fanboyish.
There are so many options here if you step outside the boundaries of ALIENS. Bringing back Hicks is not necessary to make a sequel, neither is Ripley. It's like ALIENS is the Ten Commandments, Cameron is God, and Ripley & Hicks are Jesus & Holy Ghost...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 09:01:39 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 09:01:39 PM
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 09:08:55 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 09:08:55 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 06, 2015, 09:01:39 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 08:53:18 PM
Not really. Not at all.
;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 06, 2015, 09:22:43 PM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 06, 2015, 09:22:43 PM
Ridley Scott retconned AVP, if AVP fans can get over that then I'm sure you guys can more or less do the same.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 06, 2015, 09:26:00 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 06, 2015, 09:26:00 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 06, 2015, 09:22:43 PM
Ridley Scott retconned AVP, if AVP fans can get over that then I'm sure you guys can more or less do the same.
I liked Prometheus when it first came out but it's just.. so f**king pretentious.
I'll take Charles Bishop Weyland over that prick Peter anyday.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 09:26:43 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 09:26:43 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 06, 2015, 08:44:12 PMIf he's retconning it then yeah, he's being lazy. "I don't like what they did so I'm going back to when everything was just the way we wanted it!" It's cheap, it's lazy, it's a cop-out, etc.
God yes there is.
This movie is sounding like A:CM, but with a director people like, so they're ignoring all the ways it sounds like f**king A:CM.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 09:29:28 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 09:29:28 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 09:26:43 PMOr he's using the creative freedom he rightfully has as a director. It's not "lazyness" -- it's bringing a vision to life.
If he's retconning it then yeah, he's being lazy.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 09:31:17 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 09:31:17 PM
Right. He's using his creative freedom to be lazy. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 09:33:12 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 09:33:12 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 06, 2015, 09:22:43 PM
Ridley Scott retconned AVP, if AVP fans can get over that then I'm sure you guys can more or less do the same.
No he didn't.
You see, there are four franchises going on here: Alien, Prometheus, Predator and AVP. Although related by proxy (and Easter eggs), these franchises are at best crossovers. AVP movies don't dictate Alien movies and Alien movies don't dictate AVP movies. Same goes with Predator and Prometheus. The latter however is in a grey zone area that I personally don't know how to relate too. If it wasn't for Scott being the director I would consider PROM it's own thing or maybe a spin-off.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 09:35:40 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 09:35:40 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 09:31:17 PMHe's using it to bring to the screen what he creatively feels the right choice is. It's exploration.
Right. He's using his creative freedom to be lazy. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 09:43:05 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 06, 2015, 09:35:40 PMQuote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 09:31:17 PMHe's using it to bring to the screen what he creatively feels the right choice is. It's exploration.
Right. He's using his creative freedom to be lazy. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
He is using his creative freedom to be lazy so that he doesn't have to explore the possibilities. No Hicks, no movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 09:43:45 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 09:43:45 PM
But he is exploring a possibility.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 09:46:20 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 09:46:20 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 06, 2015, 09:35:40 PMRight, and what he feels is the right choice is a lazy cop-out.
He's using it to bring to the screen what he creatively feels the right choice is. It's exploration.
How is this not getting through? Just because it's his right to do what he wants doesn't mean what he wants isn't lazy. The two are not mutually exclusive. "He's the director, it's his creative vision!" doesn't mean that anything he comes up with is a beautiful font of wonderfully realised creativity, imagination, and effort. Anderson had creative freedom, can we not criticise his movie because it was his right to explore his creative choice?
f**k no. Same with literally any other shitty movie idea ever.
Yes, he has the right to do what he wants. Yes, he can explore.
Now please tell me how any of that actually means it's not still lazy?
I can exercise my creative freedom to just copy-paste Aliens's script, write my name on it, and change some character names -- is it not lazy because I explored the creative option of re-writing someone's script to see if anyone would notice?
Spoiler alert:
No.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Mar 06, 2015, 09:46:33 PM
Post by: marrerom on Mar 06, 2015, 09:46:33 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 06, 2015, 09:01:39 PM
hahaha oh my god I cant breathe! :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 09:50:14 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 09:50:14 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 06, 2015, 09:43:45 PM
But he is exploring a possibility.
No, he ditched what had been established in order to film an official fan fiction movie. He's not interested in the Alien movies, he's interested in telling his fanboy story, not giving a damn. Why even make a sequel if your incapable if making a sequel? If retcons, reboots and remakes are valid sequel, then what's the point in even calling it a sequel? Is at an ego thing? The money? Fanboy megalomania?
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 09:46:20 PMQuote from: Omegazilla on Mar 06, 2015, 09:35:40 PMRight, and what he feels is the right choice is a lazy cop-out.
He's using it to bring to the screen what he creatively feels the right choice is. It's exploration.
How is this not getting through? Just because it's his right to do what he wants doesn't mean what he wants isn't lazy. The two are not mutually exclusive. "He's the director, it's his creative vision!" doesn't mean that anything he comes up with is a beautiful font of wonderfully realised creativity, imagination, and effort. Anderson had creative freedom, can we not criticise his movie because it was his right to explore his creative choice?
f**k no. Same with literally any other shitty movie idea ever.
Yes, he has the right to do what he wants. Yes, he can explore.
Now please tell me how any of that actually means it's not still lazy?
I can exercise my creative freedom to just copy-paste Aliens's script, write my name on it, and change some character names -- is it not lazy because I explored the creative option of re-writing someone's script to see if anyone would notice?
Spoiler alert:
No.
Nailed it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Crazy Rich on Mar 06, 2015, 09:56:47 PM
Post by: Crazy Rich on Mar 06, 2015, 09:56:47 PM
You sure like to throw the word fanboy around as if you yourself aren't being one right now.
I just don't see it as lazy. He's exploring another possibility, an alternate timeline and series of events that occur after Aliens (as far as we currently know).
I just don't see it as lazy. He's exploring another possibility, an alternate timeline and series of events that occur after Aliens (as far as we currently know).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 10:01:35 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 10:01:35 PM
You're only calling it lazy because you don't like the particular direction the film is going in. Otherwise -- no, there isn't anything categorically lazy about such decision, similar types of which have been taken before.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 10:06:52 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 10:06:52 PM
He's being lazy by ignoring the single biggest creative hurdles for the sake of shoehorning his idea into existence. And that's absolutely his creative right, but that is lazy. That does not require effort. He doesn't need to make his story flow with what already existed because he's given himself carte blanche to ignore what he chooses and do whatever he feels like. That is minimal damn work for your story.
It was Gearbox's "creative right" to explore with A:CM, they did, and it was shit, but we don't tell people to stop bitching about it because Gearbox was entitled to do whatever they wanted. And they were lazy as hell getting Hicks back in. "That's a longer story," next scene.
I'm not calling it lazy because I don't like it -- I call it shit because I personally don't like it -- I'm calling it lazy because it is lazy. Just like every other time something like this has happened.
It was Gearbox's "creative right" to explore with A:CM, they did, and it was shit, but we don't tell people to stop bitching about it because Gearbox was entitled to do whatever they wanted. And they were lazy as hell getting Hicks back in. "That's a longer story," next scene.
I'm not calling it lazy because I don't like it -- I call it shit because I personally don't like it -- I'm calling it lazy because it is lazy. Just like every other time something like this has happened.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 10:13:24 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 10:13:24 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 10:06:52 PMIt does require effort of a different kind, though again, there isn't anything categorically lazy about it. Some may think of it that way, but the fact remains that it started as a certain vision that would otherwise be hindered -- thus stripped of its original intention -- were it not to happen this way.
He's being lazy by ignoring the single biggest creative hurdles for the sake of shoehorning his idea into existence. And that's absolutely his creative right, but that is lazy. That does not require effort.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 10:06:52 PMThat was after the product was published, though, no?
It was Gearbox's "creative right" to explore with A:CM, they did, and it was shit, but we don't tell people to stop bitching about it because Gearbox was entitled to do whatever they wanted. And they were lazy as hell getting Hicks back in. "That's a longer story," next scene.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 10:20:33 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 10:20:33 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 06, 2015, 10:13:24 PMSo his vision is lazy. It can't be worked in with certain challenges, so rather than alter the vision or work harder to make it fit, just ignore the roadblocks and pretend like everything's fine.
Some may think of it that way, but the fact remains that it started as a certain vision that would otherwise be hindered -- thus stripped of its original intention -- were it not to happen this way.
Why are you using "creative vision" as some sort of shield? That it is a creative vision doesn't make it impervious to comment or criticism, nor does it mean that it's something we must respect or cherish. The whole thing comes down to creative vision and sometimes that creative vision is lazy, or terrible, or contrived, or whatever else.
It's like saying I can't criticise a sandwich, because it's a sandwich. It doesn't make sense.
QuoteThat was after the product was published, though, no?People were complaining about Hicks and, well, basically all the other bullshit long before the game actually came out.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 10:20:33 PMIt would stop being what it originally was. Can't really see how one could "work harder to make it fit" when the very concept of it contradicts the last two films. It's no different from Alien 3 and 4 erasing the comics that came before them. They were free to do so, and they did.
So his vision is lazy. It can't be worked in with certain challenges, so rather than alter the vision or work harder to make it fit, just ignore the roadblocks and pretend like everything's fine.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 10:20:33 PMI'm using it as a label -- what are you going to call it? Sandwich?
Why are you using "creative vision" as some sort of shield?
I think there's been a misunderstanding as to what we were actually discussing. My point is not that you can't call it lazy or think of it as lazy -- you can see it any way you want, it's irrelevant -- but rather that "there's no other way around it" is a false assertion.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 10:42:51 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 10:42:51 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 06, 2015, 10:37:12 PMAnd what it originally was requires for certain inconveniences to be ignored so it can be exist. When you need to ignore hurdles just for the idea to be valid to begin with, it's coming from a very lazy place. "I want to tell this story, but these other ones interfere with it. But if I just ignore them, everything's fine!"
It would stop being what it originally was. Can't really see how one could "work harder to make it fit" when the very concept of it contradicts the last two films.
QuoteIt's no different from Alien 3 and 4 erasing the comics that came before them. They were free to do so, and they did.It's different because the different mediums were considered differently. The movies still followed the other movies. Fincher liked Alien, but didn't erase Aliens. They wanted Ripley back, but they didn't ignore Alien3, they built on it.
QuoteMy point is not that you can't call it lazy or think of it as lazy -- you can see it any way you want, it's irrelevant -- but rather that "there's no other way around it" is a false assertion.At its heart it is lazy, is the counterargument. It can't exist with what exists already, so it has to ignore them. AR wanted Ripley back, but worked from Alien3, not in spite of it. That's the difference.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 11:03:59 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2015, 11:03:59 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 10:42:51 PMSelective reasoning; it being a different medium is hardly relevant. The concepts for the films contradicted the sequel comics massively -- comics that by all means were part of the continuity before the last two sequels happened -- but they did not bother in even considering their existence. "Oh it's a comic, who cares." It can be viewed as lazy writing, or simply as favouring the integrity of the idea over transforming it (thus stripping it of its original identity) to adapt it to other things. And here goes everything I have said so far.
It's different because the different mediums were considered differently.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 06, 2015, 11:04:11 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 06, 2015, 11:04:11 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2015, 09:46:20 PMI can exercise my creative freedom to just copy-paste Aliens's script, write my name on it, and change some character names -- is it not lazy because I explored the creative option of re-writing someone's script to see if anyone would notice?
I would like to read this script.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Close Encounters on Mar 06, 2015, 11:13:36 PM
Post by: Close Encounters on Mar 06, 2015, 11:13:36 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 08:59:54 PMQuote from: Crazy Rich on Mar 06, 2015, 08:53:43 PM
I have my cynical concerns but at the same time it's not in any way being lazy, if anything it creates more opportunity and flexibility.
By being lazy and fanboyish.
There are so many options here if you step outside the boundaries of ALIENS. Bringing back Hicks is not necessary to make a sequel, neither is Ripley. It's like ALIENS is the Ten Commandments, Cameron is God, and Ripley & Hicks are Jesus & Holy Ghost...
I think it might be better to call Alien the Old Testament. An inhuman Enemy(Ash) trying to fool a flawed humanity into toying with something they shouldn't, leading to Death(the Xeno) coming into the world which leads to lots of dead people.
Aliens is the New Testament. A dualistic savior(Ripley/Newt), coming to save the stubborn sinners who won't listen(Marines), who then follow said savior as they flee the Death(Xenos again) that permeates their world. The betrayal of one follower(Burke) leads to the worldly death of the savior(Newt's abduction), but after tearing the ever loving sh*t out of Sin with light armor piercing rounds and a grenade launcher, the savior returns from the jaws of Sin(the Queen) and brings those who follow to a higher place(Sulaco), a place where Sin cannot survive and is ejected out the airlock.
I mean, if you're going to use a religious theme.
Frankly I find it funny that you constantly use the term Aliens fanboy as if that's a bad thing. As far as I'm concerned, clear love of a film in this series is a good thing, regardless of what you think of any other film in the series.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 11:26:46 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 11:26:46 PM
Deciding not to even care to follow up on the task at hand just because it doesn't feel right is the very definition of lazy.
Let me put it this way: Are there other options to tell another Alien story without bringing Hicks (and/or Ellen Ripley) back, which indirectly equals a retcon of two entire movies? If the answer is NO, then I'll stand corrected. If the answer is YES, then this whole retcon idea is indeed and without discussion a lazy cop-out and fan fiction okayed by almighty FOX.
Fanboys direct the worst movies, that's why.
Let me put it this way: Are there other options to tell another Alien story without bringing Hicks (and/or Ellen Ripley) back, which indirectly equals a retcon of two entire movies? If the answer is NO, then I'll stand corrected. If the answer is YES, then this whole retcon idea is indeed and without discussion a lazy cop-out and fan fiction okayed by almighty FOX.
Quote from: Close Encounters on Mar 06, 2015, 11:13:36 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 08:59:54 PMQuote from: Crazy Rich on Mar 06, 2015, 08:53:43 PM
I have my cynical concerns but at the same time it's not in any way being lazy, if anything it creates more opportunity and flexibility.
By being lazy and fanboyish.
There are so many options here if you step outside the boundaries of ALIENS. Bringing back Hicks is not necessary to make a sequel, neither is Ripley. It's like ALIENS is the Ten Commandments, Cameron is God, and Ripley & Hicks are Jesus & Holy Ghost...
I think it might be better to call Alien the Old Testament. An inhuman Enemy(Ash) trying to fool a flawed humanity into toying with something they shouldn't, leading to Death(the Xeno) coming into the world which leads to lots of dead people.
Aliens is the New Testament. A dualistic savior(Ripley/Newt), coming to save the stubborn sinners who won't listen(Marines), who then follow said savior as they flee the Death(Xenos again) that permeates their world. The betrayal of one follower(Burke) leads to the worldly death of the savior(Newt's abduction), but after tearing the ever loving sh*t out of Sin with light armor piercing rounds and a grenade launcher, the savior returns from the jaws of Sin(the Queen) and brings those who follow to a higher place(Sulaco), a place where Sin cannot survive and is ejected out the airlock.
I mean, if you're going to use a religious theme.
Frankly I find it funny that you constantly use the term Aliens fanboy as if that's a bad thing. As far as I'm concerned, clear love of a film in this series is a good thing, regardless of what you think of any other film in the series.
Fanboys direct the worst movies, that's why.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Mar 06, 2015, 11:29:56 PM
Post by: GQSioux on Mar 06, 2015, 11:29:56 PM
http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/03/how-neill-blomkamps-aliens-sequel-can-work/ (http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/03/how-neill-blomkamps-aliens-sequel-can-work/)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 11:39:46 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 11:39:46 PM
Quote from: GQSioux on Mar 06, 2015, 11:29:56 PM
http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/03/how-neill-blomkamps-aliens-sequel-can-work/ (http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/03/how-neill-blomkamps-aliens-sequel-can-work/)
Good article. Thumbs up
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 06, 2015, 11:43:47 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Mar 06, 2015, 11:43:47 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 11:39:46 PMSo you're on board now?Quote from: GQSioux on Mar 06, 2015, 11:29:56 PMGood article. Thumbs up
http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/03/how-neill-blomkamps-aliens-sequel-can-work/ (http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/03/how-neill-blomkamps-aliens-sequel-can-work/)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 11:49:49 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 11:49:49 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 06, 2015, 11:43:47 PMQuote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 11:39:46 PMSo you're on board now?Quote from: GQSioux on Mar 06, 2015, 11:29:56 PMGood article. Thumbs up
http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/03/how-neill-blomkamps-aliens-sequel-can-work/ (http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/03/how-neill-blomkamps-aliens-sequel-can-work/)
No. I like it that they discuss the whole thing from all angles and views. One of the guys defend A3 (& A:R), and most if them agree that retconning A3 & A:R is a lazy cop-out. If course I don't agree on most of what they're talking about.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Jarac on Mar 07, 2015, 12:11:58 AM
Post by: Jarac on Mar 07, 2015, 12:11:58 AM
To all of the people saying it's lazy and throwing the word "fanboy" around (as if they aren't being childishly fanboyish of A3 & A:R themselves):
Resurrection was the laziest shit I've ever seen. Going to such lengths to bring back Ripley it was essentially a comedy. And Weyland-Yutani being bought out by Wal-Mart? They really didn't give a damn when they were writing that script. A retcon/alternate continuity opens the door to leave that bullshit behind, and most fans (and yes, I say MOST), are happy to take that road than suffer Resurrection (which was, again, a lazy film that brought back a character that should have stayed dead in a lazy, contrived manner). And even Alien 3 was lazy as they STILL haven't explained how that damn egg got where it was (even the piss-poor A:CM DLC danced around the issue).
An alternate continuity is a brave thing to do. It's a high risk - high reward scenario. It's what many fans have been wanting for years. If it flops, it'll be miserable, and Blomkamp will be hated by much of the Alien fandom (if not all of it) forever. If he succeeds, this franchise is back on-track as being strong, rather than being on life support.
There's a lot riding on this movie. It ain't lazy. He's got a LOT to live up to. I don't envy his position.
Resurrection was the laziest shit I've ever seen. Going to such lengths to bring back Ripley it was essentially a comedy. And Weyland-Yutani being bought out by Wal-Mart? They really didn't give a damn when they were writing that script. A retcon/alternate continuity opens the door to leave that bullshit behind, and most fans (and yes, I say MOST), are happy to take that road than suffer Resurrection (which was, again, a lazy film that brought back a character that should have stayed dead in a lazy, contrived manner). And even Alien 3 was lazy as they STILL haven't explained how that damn egg got where it was (even the piss-poor A:CM DLC danced around the issue).
An alternate continuity is a brave thing to do. It's a high risk - high reward scenario. It's what many fans have been wanting for years. If it flops, it'll be miserable, and Blomkamp will be hated by much of the Alien fandom (if not all of it) forever. If he succeeds, this franchise is back on-track as being strong, rather than being on life support.
There's a lot riding on this movie. It ain't lazy. He's got a LOT to live up to. I don't envy his position.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Close Encounters on Mar 07, 2015, 12:35:18 AM
Post by: Close Encounters on Mar 07, 2015, 12:35:18 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 11:26:46 PM
Fanboys direct the worst movies, that's why.
Got a citation for that? I'm talking an actual Hollywood-produced movie, made by a bona-fide fanboy that is a 'worst movie'.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 12:54:04 AM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 12:54:04 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 06, 2015, 09:33:12 PMQuote from: predxeno on Mar 06, 2015, 09:22:43 PM
Ridley Scott retconned AVP, if AVP fans can get over that then I'm sure you guys can more or less do the same.
No he didn't.
You see, there are four franchises going on here: Alien, Prometheus, Predator and AVP. Although related by proxy (and Easter eggs), these franchises are at best crossovers. AVP movies don't dictate Alien movies and Alien movies don't dictate AVP movies. Same goes with Predator and Prometheus. The latter however is in a grey zone area that I personally don't know how to relate too. If it wasn't for Scott being the director I would consider PROM it's own thing or maybe a spin-off.
Ah, I see what you are talking about now so yeah, I guess I can see why it's upsetting for you that an Alien film is ignoring an Alien film. It all just boils down to how you define your canons here; personally, I just view the whole idea of separating things into different universes and canons as over-convoluted ridiculousness cause there's always going to be other people who don't interpret things your way or a director who doesn't share the audience's point of view, and when this happens then the whole universe/canon thing is once again thrown out of whack. I just follow the concept of Occam's Razor, that the simplest solution is the correct solution, and the simplest solution here is that all these titles are part of the same universe as the directors intended; it may be messy continuity-wise but what franchise doesn't have those issues?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 07, 2015, 12:57:17 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 07, 2015, 12:57:17 AM
How in bloody hell are you going to reconcile two versions of events after Aliens then?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 12:59:04 AM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 12:59:04 AM
Alternate universes/timelines.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 07, 2015, 01:03:54 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 07, 2015, 01:03:54 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 12:59:04 AM
Alternate universes/timelines.
That makes sense but why bother hamfisting the other franchises together then?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 01:05:32 AM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 01:05:32 AM
It's all about determining where they fit in which timeline/universe; for example, the AVP films probably fit in the Alien 3 universe while Prometheus will fit in the Alien 5 universe.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 07, 2015, 01:09:04 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 07, 2015, 01:09:04 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 01:05:32 AM
It's all about determining where they fit in which timeline/universe; for example, the AVP films probably fit in the Alien 3 universe while Prometheus will fit in the Alien 5 universe.
What about the two human Bishops then?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 01:14:16 AM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 01:14:16 AM
One is descended from the other.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 07, 2015, 01:18:08 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 07, 2015, 01:18:08 AM
That look exactly the same?
C'mon, the fact is there's no explanation good enough for the dumb production choices in both AVP films.
Hell, I might even find the first entertaining as a non-canon spinoff if they hadn't used those god-awful A:R designs.
C'mon, the fact is there's no explanation good enough for the dumb production choices in both AVP films.
Hell, I might even find the first entertaining as a non-canon spinoff if they hadn't used those god-awful A:R designs.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 01:25:11 AM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 01:25:11 AM
Not saying it's the perfect explanation, but I work with what I've been given.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2015, 01:26:37 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2015, 01:26:37 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 07, 2015, 01:18:08 AM
That look exactly the same?
To be fair, descendents can look a lot like their ancestors. This even applies from parent to offspring.
Michael Douglas is a spitting image of his father, Kirk.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 07, 2015, 01:28:16 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 07, 2015, 01:28:16 AM
Only you don't need to hamfist it, you could take the more logical approach but it's your preference I guess Predxeno.
Also Rakai- even if Bishop wasn't a problem there's still the outstanding issue of how the Aliens look which I will never ever, ever, ever be able to accept.
Also Rakai- even if Bishop wasn't a problem there's still the outstanding issue of how the Aliens look which I will never ever, ever, ever be able to accept.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Close Encounters on Mar 07, 2015, 02:47:33 AM
Post by: Close Encounters on Mar 07, 2015, 02:47:33 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 07, 2015, 01:09:04 AMQuote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 01:05:32 AM
It's all about determining where they fit in which timeline/universe; for example, the AVP films probably fit in the Alien 3 universe while Prometheus will fit in the Alien 5 universe.
What about the two human Bishops then?
You can always use the Aliens: Colonial Marines excuse(sacrilege, I know.). In that game, it was revealed that the Bishop from Alien 3 was a synthetic. And since that game features the end of Alien 3, so most certainly takes place in that universe, the problem is solved.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 02:50:11 AM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 02:50:11 AM
Not really, the Bishop in Alien 3 had red blood while the Bishop in A:CM had white blood and is said to be modelled after the real Michael Weyland, make of that what you will. :-\
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 07, 2015, 02:57:03 AM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 07, 2015, 02:57:03 AM
It's all a little bit confused without much needed implications to clarify things, is what I make of it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2015, 02:59:11 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2015, 02:59:11 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 02:50:11 AM
Not really, the Bishop in Alien 3 had red blood while the Bishop in A:CM had white blood and is said to be modelled after the real Michael Weyland, make of that what you will. :-\
And if the Big Deletion EU material is to be assigned and migrated to the Alien 3 universe as well, along with the AvPs, one could explain that the Michael Weyland is a special customized unit who was programmed to emulate more emotion, like the Bueller synthetic in the old EU, and has red lubricant similar to the synthetics seen in Civilized Beast... You've got something going.
But then if you count the Assembly Cut as a sub-alternative universe as well, then that pretty much makes the whole specialized Synthetic idea fall apart and Michael Weyland is a potential descendent of Charles Bishop Weyland, and is human.
Two Alien 3 timelines/universes. Heh heh heh heh...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Close Encounters on Mar 07, 2015, 03:42:20 AM
Post by: Close Encounters on Mar 07, 2015, 03:42:20 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2015, 02:59:11 AMQuote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 02:50:11 AM
Not really, the Bishop in Alien 3 had red blood while the Bishop in A:CM had white blood and is said to be modelled after the real Michael Weyland, make of that what you will. :-\
And if the Big Deletion EU material is to be assigned and migrated to the Alien 3 universe as well, along with the AvPs, one could explain that the Michael Weyland is a special customized unit who was programmed to emulate more emotion, like the Bueller synthetic in the old EU, and has red lubricant similar to the synthetics seen in Civilized Beast... You've got something going.
But then if you count the Assembly Cut as a sub-alternative universe as well, then that pretty much makes the whole specialized Synthetic idea fall apart and Michael Weyland is a potential descendent of Charles Bishop Weyland, and is human.
Two Alien 3 timelines/universes. Heh heh heh heh...
Wait, what if that Bishop was a clone of the original Weyland from AVP! Hear me out.
Yes, it takes crazy scientists over 200 years to clone Ripley. However she could have been a particularly difficult case of cloning due to the xeno-hybrid part of the blood sample. Cloning a generic human, however, is much easier. So ever since the original Weyland's death of Predator in 2004, the Company has kept blood samples in order to one day clone their founded. And a certain time before Alien 3, they accomplished this goal. MY LOGIC IS UNDENIABLE!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 03:49:17 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 03:49:17 AM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 06, 2015, 11:03:59 PMWhat? It's entirely relevant. The films were their own thing. They only ever followed what made it into the previous films. How many film sequels can you honestly name that were beholden to what licensed material invented in the interim?
Selective reasoning; it being a different medium is hardly relevant.
The movies didn't follow the comics because why would they? Did anybody honestly expect them to adapt the comics as movies? Hell no. Maybe some people, but certainly not the majority -- and certainly not the general audience of the films.
The films followed the films, not the comics. This has been consistent so far. That's the precedent. If Alien3 had been set post-comics, nobody would have any idea what the f**k was going on. There'd be this massive three-story arc of Aliens overrunning the Earth, Ripley, Hicks and Newt joining back up to fight Aliens, destroying homeworlds, etc. that would be entirely missing from the plot unless you went out and read the comics.
Different mediums is important, because as much as people try to make it all work into canon, the film studio is never going to rely on people reading comics or novels as official sequels to the story to understand what's going on. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 04:49:12 AM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 04:49:12 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 03:49:17 AMQuote from: Omegazilla on Mar 06, 2015, 11:03:59 PMWhat? It's entirely relevant. The films were their own thing. They only ever followed what made it into the previous films. How many film sequels can you honestly name that were beholden to what licensed material invented in the interim?
Selective reasoning; it being a different medium is hardly relevant.
Well, the Silent Hill games were beholden to the Silent Hill comics series and characters that first appeared in the comics also made their way into the games.
Also, the first AVP movie was like completely beholden to the first AVP comic ever, canonizing practically every single little detail about Predator culture that issue had to provide.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 07, 2015, 04:54:09 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 07, 2015, 04:54:09 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 04:49:12 AMQuote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 03:49:17 AMQuote from: Omegazilla on Mar 06, 2015, 11:03:59 PMWhat? It's entirely relevant. The films were their own thing. They only ever followed what made it into the previous films. How many film sequels can you honestly name that were beholden to what licensed material invented in the interim?
Selective reasoning; it being a different medium is hardly relevant.
Well, the Silent Hill games were beholden to the Silent Hill comics series and characters that first appeared in the comics also made their way into the games.
The Silent Hill games only really started tying into the comics directly when Tom Waltz started writing them, which is three stories so far. The bulk of them before that were coked out nonsense that no one could really understand.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2015, 05:02:07 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2015, 05:02:07 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 04:49:12 AM
Also, the first AVP movie was like completely beholden to the first AVP comic ever, canonizing practically every single little detail about Predator culture that issue had to provide.
I know a lot of people don't like the AvP movie, but I liked the AvP movie for this reason. It essentially took the core concepts of Predator culture and canonized them. Albeit it was a different spin with the whole pyramid thing going on, I think that the main concepts were pulled off nicely in the movie. It took the elements of what made the Yautja concept so popular and made the concrete... AvP holds a lot of the stuff from the old EU which I liked.. AVP was an EU thing, never really a concept at all in the films until 2004. I grew up with all of that stuff and I was happy with the first movie.
Requiem, I could do without even though I like Requiem but I could definitely do without the sequel movie. I just wish that Davis hadn't decided to abandon that franchise and allowed for at least... one more movie to attempt to redeem it.
Instead.. we wound up with PREDATORS... and Prometheus... And the whole EU reboot. Doesn't really make me happy to know and feel that the stuff which made AvP well... AVP, pretty much potentially gone up in smoke with the direction Fox is going. And no, Fire and Stone doesn't count because that's more of a Prometheus thing.
Anyway get your pitchforks and torches folks... I'm ready.
C'mon.. DO IT... DOOOOOOO EEEEET!!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 06:24:53 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 06:24:53 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 04:49:12 AMI specifically said "film sequels".
Well, the Silent Hill games were beholden to the Silent Hill comics series and characters that first appeared in the comics also made their way into the games.
QuoteAlso, the first AVP movie was like completely beholden to the first AVP comic ever, canonizing practically every single little detail about Predator culture that issue had to provide.It took elements, but it's a loose adaptation at best, and isn't a direct sequel (or prequel, for that matter) of it. That's what I'm getting at.
Not ignoring the comics would mean having the third Alien film be a sequel to Female War. Something like that is never going to happen, at least not with this series. Yes, prequel comics were made for Predators, but they're not at all necessary to the plot and they were conceived after the film as marketing material; the film wasn't a continuation of the comics.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2015, 06:26:59 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2015, 06:26:59 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 06:24:53 AM
Yes, prequel comics were made for Predators, but they're not at all necessary to the plot and they were conceived after the film as marketing material; the film wasn't a continuation of the comics.
Weren't the PREDATORS comics also contradictory to the films as well in some aspects?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: gabgrave on Mar 07, 2015, 06:37:58 AM
Post by: gabgrave on Mar 07, 2015, 06:37:58 AM
I find it interesting that lazy is being applied when they say the director isn't using what previous films did and going off on his own tangent, but somehow they don't consider it lazy when Hicks and Newt are just killed off in Alien 3 just so the director can do his own thing.
Anyway, I'm just hoping not to hear any African accented English in the Alien 5 film. That would truly break the immersion.
Anyway, I'm just hoping not to hear any African accented English in the Alien 5 film. That would truly break the immersion.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 07, 2015, 07:19:58 AM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 07, 2015, 07:19:58 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 06:24:53 AMQuote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 04:49:12 AMI specifically said "film sequels".
Well, the Silent Hill games were beholden to the Silent Hill comics series and characters that first appeared in the comics also made their way into the games.QuoteAlso, the first AVP movie was like completely beholden to the first AVP comic ever, canonizing practically every single little detail about Predator culture that issue had to provide.It took elements, but it's a loose adaptation at best, and isn't a direct sequel (or prequel, for that matter) of it. That's what I'm getting at.
Not ignoring the comics would mean having the third Alien film be a sequel to Female War. Something like that is never going to happen, at least not with this series. Yes, prequel comics were made for Predators, but they're not at all necessary to the plot and they were conceived after the film as marketing material; the film wasn't a continuation of the comics.
They don't want to get it because they find a retcon sequel valid per se by default. Anything retconning A3 and brining back Hicks is seen as extremely creative and "true".
Quote from: gabgrave on Mar 07, 2015, 06:37:58 AM
I find it interesting that lazy is being applied when they say the director isn't using what previous films did and going off on his own tangent, but somehow they don't consider it lazy when Hicks and Newt are just killed off in Alien 3 just so the director can do his own thing.
Anyway, I'm just hoping not to hear any African accented English in the Alien 5 film. That would truly break the immersion.
Oh my goodness. This can go on forever, please mr/ms/mrs trace back and check. Yore getting this backward assend forward in reverse.SiL nailed for anyone out there in doubt.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 07:32:32 AM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 07:32:32 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 06:24:53 AMQuote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 04:49:12 AMI specifically said "film sequels".
Well, the Silent Hill games were beholden to the Silent Hill comics series and characters that first appeared in the comics also made their way into the games.
Well, not to put too fine a point on it but I think in this regard "film sequels" and "game sequels" can be used interchangeably since both the films and games are the core entries into the series for the AVP and Silent Hill franchises respectively.
Oh and I just remembered, the Star Wars: The Force Unleashed franchise also took its comic counterparts as canon as seen when...
Spoiler
Juno rescues Proxy in the comics and then Proxy turns up alive in The Force Unleashed II as in accordance to what happened in the comic predecessor. :)
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Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 06:24:53 AMQuoteAlso, the first AVP movie was like completely beholden to the first AVP comic ever, canonizing practically every single little detail about Predator culture that issue had to provide.It took elements, but it's a loose adaptation at best, and isn't a direct sequel (or prequel, for that matter) of it. That's what I'm getting at.
Not ignoring the comics would mean having the third Alien film be a sequel to Female War. Something like that is never going to happen, at least not with this series. Yes, prequel comics were made for Predators, but they're not at all necessary to the plot and they were conceived after the film as marketing material; the film wasn't a continuation of the comics.
While I agree with you that we won't be getting a movie sequel to an EU story, there's plenty of evidence in other franchises that future movie installments at least respect their EU enough to not directly contradict it. In the past, I have disdained Ridley's disregard of the AVP movies because he outright chose to contradict them, however I do have more respect for Neil Blomkamp because despite the fact that he is making even BIGGER continuity deviations than Ridley, he at least said outright that his new movie(s) will take place in a different universe thus preventing a continuity war (if not a canon war) from breaking out.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2015, 07:55:45 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2015, 07:55:45 AM
This takes me back to when PREDATORS was being produced, and how there were arguments that PREDATORS was ignoring Predator 2 and the AvP films, and considering the conflicting statements with Rodriguez and Antal, Roddy claiming that it was a sequel to the first and only the first, and Antal claiming that it was a definitive Predator 3-- to where a lot of fans opted to take Antal's word over Rodriguez. Truthfully, no one's been able to conclude if the movie is Roddy's alternate P2, or if it is a definitive P3. I mean sure the movie doesn't contradict Predator 2, but it doesn't acknowledge it either-- same for the AvPs, so.. as far as the Predator side of things, the AVP's could still fit... Until Shane talks about where his movie fits.
It's almost the same thing here since this is supposed to be the fifth Alien movie, but it's going out of it's way to actually dismiss the third and fourth films apparently. So is it really a fifth Alien movie, or is it an alternative third? Well, if we look at what Blomkamp is saying, he's not going his way to undo Alien 3 and Resurrection but that statement is very vague as some have pointed out. He could either mean that the previous two sequels will always exist.. or he's only ignoring them and not jettisoning them out of canon, but not following them either. I'm hoping it's the latter.. but I don't want him explaining those movies away.
Truth be told.. I honestly did not want an Alien V. I think the franchise has been run down, and with the Ripley mandate going on.. It's like taking a retired race hound, and forcing it to race when it's tired and old. Does it sound selfish? Yes, absolutely and please forgive me for saying what I just said. But assuming that this movie merely migrates Alien 3 and Resurrection as canonical alternate timelines/universes while this new continuity ties to Prometheus... then I say this gives even fans more power to pick and choose, as the AVPs could be lumped in with Alien 3 and Resurrection as a different continuity lineage.
Unpopular opinion, I know but... my two cents.
Aaaaah, PredXeno, you and me maybe cool but I gotta say that Blomkamp didn't explicitly state that this could be an alternate timeline. What he did say was that he had no intentions of undoing Alien 3 and Resurrection, but in another interview statement he also said that he considered his movie as the third following after Alien and Aliens (Gee, where did we hear THIS before in another related franchise?). So, he's not undoing Alien 3 and Resurrection... and you could take that however you will, but he's also not following them and treating his movie as the third.
I'm really pulling for if Blomkamp migrates and assigns by proxy Alien 3 and Resurrection as alternate timelines/universes but I also don't want him to acknowledge Alien 3 and Resurrection (he could incorporate elements such as Xenomorphs inheriting hosts traits) in an attempt to explain them away. You don't need a plot device such as dimensional transcendence or time travel for a franchise to have established alternatives. Even Corporal Hicks aka Mr. Percival saw I was correct in that.. Although he didn't agree on why there should be alternative timelines/universes.
It's almost the same thing here since this is supposed to be the fifth Alien movie, but it's going out of it's way to actually dismiss the third and fourth films apparently. So is it really a fifth Alien movie, or is it an alternative third? Well, if we look at what Blomkamp is saying, he's not going his way to undo Alien 3 and Resurrection but that statement is very vague as some have pointed out. He could either mean that the previous two sequels will always exist.. or he's only ignoring them and not jettisoning them out of canon, but not following them either. I'm hoping it's the latter.. but I don't want him explaining those movies away.
Truth be told.. I honestly did not want an Alien V. I think the franchise has been run down, and with the Ripley mandate going on.. It's like taking a retired race hound, and forcing it to race when it's tired and old. Does it sound selfish? Yes, absolutely and please forgive me for saying what I just said. But assuming that this movie merely migrates Alien 3 and Resurrection as canonical alternate timelines/universes while this new continuity ties to Prometheus... then I say this gives even fans more power to pick and choose, as the AVPs could be lumped in with Alien 3 and Resurrection as a different continuity lineage.
Unpopular opinion, I know but... my two cents.
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 07:32:32 AM
I do have more respect for Neil Blomkamp because despite the fact that he is making even BIGGER continuity deviations than Ridley, he at least said outright that his new movie(s) will take place in a different universe thus preventing a continuity war (if not a canon war) from breaking out.
Aaaaah, PredXeno, you and me maybe cool but I gotta say that Blomkamp didn't explicitly state that this could be an alternate timeline. What he did say was that he had no intentions of undoing Alien 3 and Resurrection, but in another interview statement he also said that he considered his movie as the third following after Alien and Aliens (Gee, where did we hear THIS before in another related franchise?). So, he's not undoing Alien 3 and Resurrection... and you could take that however you will, but he's also not following them and treating his movie as the third.
I'm really pulling for if Blomkamp migrates and assigns by proxy Alien 3 and Resurrection as alternate timelines/universes but I also don't want him to acknowledge Alien 3 and Resurrection (he could incorporate elements such as Xenomorphs inheriting hosts traits) in an attempt to explain them away. You don't need a plot device such as dimensional transcendence or time travel for a franchise to have established alternatives. Even Corporal Hicks aka Mr. Percival saw I was correct in that.. Although he didn't agree on why there should be alternative timelines/universes.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 08:12:47 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 08:12:47 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 03:49:17 AMIt only is for the sake of your argument.
What? It's entirely relevant.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 03:49:17 AMHow many reboots can you name that were beholden to what licensed material (including films) invented in the interim? Reboots select what to consider and what not to consider -- Superman Returns did; H20 did; Godzilla 1984 did; and so on and so forth. This is no different.
How many film sequels can you honestly name that were beholden to what licensed material invented in the interim?
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 03:49:17 AMAmong the general audience of the films, exactly how many people do you think expect Alien 3 and 4 to be respected? The majority of people does not even remember them, and those that do would rather not see a continuation of them. The only people that do affectionately care about it are the long time fans -- some of us. Not in case, the news of this reboot is elsewhere very welcome, and is only being criticized heavily in long time fan-centric sites, such as this one.
The movies didn't follow the comics because why would they? Did anybody honestly expect them to adapt the comics as movies? Hell no. Maybe some people, but certainly not the majority -- and certainly not the general audience of the films.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 03:49:17 AMOr introduce it in a prologue. Or implement it through flashbacks. I mean, it's just some rightfully hard work to make it fit.
If Alien3 had been set post-comics, nobody would have any idea what the f**k was going on. There'd be this massive three-story arc of Aliens overrunning the Earth, Ripley, Hicks and Newt joining back up to fight Aliens, destroying homeworlds, etc. that would be entirely missing from the plot unless you went out and read the comics.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 08:12:53 AM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 08:12:53 AM
Blomkamp has actually hinted quite heavily in other interviews that he is attempting to redefine continuity in the Alien franchise, and Weaver seems onboard with this idea as well.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2015, 08:18:25 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2015, 08:18:25 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 08:12:53 AM
Blomkamp has actually hinted quite heavily in other interviews that he is attempting to redefine continuity in the Alien franchise, and Weaver seems onboard with this idea as well.
There is no denying that! That much is certain!
I just hope we do end up with alternate timelines/universes, and not an explanation which renders Alien 3 and Resurrection as some trippy hallucination, or a bad dream, or something lame along those lines. And I don't want time travel in this. If Blomkamp wants to redefine continuity, yet still not undo Alien 3 and Resurrection-- he needs to do what Godzilla 1985 did and migrate the other movies as alternate timelines/universes.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 08:25:10 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 08:25:10 AM
Rakai, we get the concept. I don't think anybody onboard the film is ever going to think of such a hilariously dumb idea as making the third and fourth films dreams. It was born among fans and among fans it will most probably remain.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Doktor Wunderbar on Mar 07, 2015, 08:25:33 AM
Post by: Doktor Wunderbar on Mar 07, 2015, 08:25:33 AM
In my opinion, he doesn't need to do that himself. If he disregards those films completely, or even contradicts them, you're still free to enjoy them as their own separate continuity.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2015, 08:31:02 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 07, 2015, 08:31:02 AM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 07, 2015, 08:25:10 AM
Rakai, we get the concept. I don't think anybody onboard the film is ever going to think of such a hilariously dumb idea as making the third and fourth films dreams. It was born among fans and among fans it will most probably remain.
I don't mean to repeat myself but.. I just.. I just haven't been happy with the way things have been going in the last five years regarding the franchises. I feel left out as a fan in enjoying things.
Quote from: Doktor Wunderbar on Mar 07, 2015, 08:25:33 AM
In my opinion, he doesn't need to do that himself. If he disregards those films completely, or even contradicts them, you're still free to enjoy them as their own separate continuity.
I suppose that is true.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 08:43:54 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 08:43:54 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 07:32:32 AMNo, they can't. I specified film sequels for a reason.
Well, not to put too fine a point on it but I think in this regard "film sequels" and "game sequels" can be used interchangeably
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 07, 2015, 08:12:47 AMBecause the argument has never been about cross-media pollination.
It only is for the sake of your argument.
QuoteHow many reboots can you name that were beholden to what licensed material (including films) invented in the interim? Reboots select what to consider and what not to consider -- Superman Returns did; H20 did; Godzilla 1984 did; and so on and so forth. This is no different.When did I say they weren't lazy either...?
QuoteThe majority of people does not even remember them,That's a demonstrable load of crap :-\
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 08:59:21 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 08:59:21 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 08:43:54 AMIt is about supposed categorical laziness, however. I offered an example, and it was dismissed for entirely arbitrary reasons. "Why should we follow the comics," etc. -- by your reasoning, that's a lazy way of demolishing creative hurdles that would hinder the ideas of the films.
Because the argument has never been about cross-media pollination.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 08:43:54 AMNo, not really. The general audience does not remember, dislikes, or actively wants Alien 3 and 4 out of the way -- with a minimal portion that actually likes them. And then there are the fans, a good number of whom obviously do care -- but by no means are they a majority.
That's a demonstrable load of crap :-\
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 09:32:50 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 09:32:50 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 09:04:36 AMIt very much is. The precedent was set the moment they were inserted into continuity and contributed to the story themselves, as official entries. They were hurdles and they were dismissed without so much of a thought.
It's not arbitrary at all. Comics and novels aren't a hurdle to the movies in the first place. That precedent was never set.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 09:04:36 AMAs just an example, IMDb (the lowest common denominator film website) lists Alien as rated by (approximately) 460.000 users; Aliens by 410.000; Alien3 by 180.000; Alien: Resurrection by 150.000. You can see a pretty big drop on the sheer number of people that rate them. You can find similar results on other minor film-rating websites.
You're going to have to start providing some sort of support here.
On a general basis, Alien and Aliens are routinely mentioned or referenced, whereas Alien3 and Alien: Resurrection aren't mentioned as frequently (or aren't remembered as fondly, or are deliberately skipped). That's speaking about generic websites, videos, online articles, etc. And that's just internet activity. Hell, you can just ask around -- people are continously surprised when I tell them there's a third and fourth Alien.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 09:04:36 AMRight. Here, a fansite called AvPGalaxy.
Most polls here seem to be leaning to people thinking this isn't the best idea.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 09:35:08 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 09:35:08 AM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 07, 2015, 09:32:50 AMThey clearly weren't inserted into continuity. That's the point. The movies continued regardless. Fox never considered them important: they were marketing.
It very much is. The precedent was set the moment they were inserted into continuity and contributed to the story themselves, as official entries.
A3 and 4 aren't as popular -- big difference between that and actively wanting them gone, or forgetting them. No-one I talk to is surprised there are four.
QuoteRight. Here, a fansite called AvPGalaxy.Yes, because you said the majority of "the fans" don't care -- so where else would you look but a fan site ...?
(I deleted the post because I was going to write a more succinct version, then as I did you replied. Sorry.)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 09:47:14 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 09:47:14 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 09:35:08 AMThey were, though. They continued the story and effectively constituted sequels, albeit in a different form. They weren't just marketing.
They clearly weren't inserted into continuity. That's the point. The movies continued regardless. Fox never considered them important: they were marketing.
And by the same token, FOX isn't considering Alien 3 and 4 important, seeing as they approved this choice in the first place.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 09:35:08 AMDunno. Many people I talk to have had similar reactions going. Obviously it's not quantifiable, but it's an obvious general direction.
A3 and 4 aren't as popular -- big difference between that and actively wanting them gone, or forgetting them. No-one I talk to is surprised there are four.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 09:35:08 AMMajority of the audience. Effectively the way I typed it left it open for misunderstanding. My bad.
Yes, because you said the majority of "the fans" don't care -- so where else would you look but a fan site ...?
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 09:35:08 AMNo problem. :) I thought it was a site bug or something like that.
(I deleted the post because I was going to write a more succinct version, then as I did you replied. Sorry.)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 09:50:16 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 09:50:16 AM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 07, 2015, 09:47:14 AMThey were. Dark Horse decided to continue with the comics, not Fox. They were basically allowed to do what they wanted and Verheiden thought it'd be cool to keep the plot going.
They were, though. They continued the story and effectively constituted sequels, albeit in a different form. They weren't just marketing.
And I can't find anything saying that the comics were even a consideration when it came to A3. It's not even like they ignored them -- it's more like they were barely aware of them.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 09:59:32 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 09:59:32 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 09:50:16 AMYes, and they had the FOX stamp over them -- they were official. FOX also allowed Alien 3 and 4 to do what they wanted -- and they did. And so FOX is doing with this one.
Dark Horse decided to continue with the comics, not Fox. They were basically allowed to do what they wanted and Verheiden thought it'd be cool to keep the plot going.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 09:50:16 AMEven more laziness on their part, then -- didn't even bother with researching. Even then, I doubt no-one knew about the comics, seeing as they were what kept the series alive for a good number of years.
And I can't find anything saying that the comics were even a consideration when it came to A3. It's not even like they ignored them -- it's more like they were barely aware of them.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 10:12:33 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 07, 2015, 09:59:32 AMOfficial merchandise, yes. They were never hired to officially carry on the plot, however; they were given a license to tell stories they wanted to. They were no more an official continuation than the comics that accompanied the Kenner figures as far as anyone responsible for the films were ever concerned.
Yes, and they had the FOX stamp over them -- they were official.
QuoteFOX also allowed Alien 3 and 4 to do what they wanted -- and they did.No, they didn't. They wanted Ripley back, but they didn't let them ignore the fact she'd died. They made them follow suit.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 10:33:58 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 10:12:33 AMThen why'd they bother with all the retconning surrounding Hicks and Newt -- changed into whatever names they were -- to follow suit?
Official merchandise, yes. They were never hired to officially carry on the plot, however; they were given a license to tell stories they wanted to. They were no more an official continuation than the comics that accompanied the Kenner figures as far as anyone responsible for the films were ever concerned.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 10:12:33 AMI think that was more of a concern of the scriptwriters of the fourth film more than anything coming straight as a strict imperative from Fox (seeing their mentality going on for the precedent film -- "Look, you could have somebody piss against the wall for two hours and call it Alien 3" et al).
No, they didn't. They wanted Ripley back, but they didn't let them ignore the fact she'd died. They made them follow suit.
Fox itself isn't considering Alien 3 and 4 hurdles at all right now. They were presented with the idea and they're going with it, which means they aren't considering them important -- as they didn't with the comics.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 10:38:26 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 10:38:26 AM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 07, 2015, 10:33:58 AMBecause Dark Horse wanted to keep it in line.
Then why'd they bother with all the retconning surrounding Hicks and Newt -- changed into whatever names they were -- to follow suit?
And sell more copies.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 11:08:08 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 11:08:08 AM
Doubt copy-selling was an issue, since there were a thousand stories coming in without them even after Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 11:44:42 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 11:44:42 AM
From Strange Shapes' interview with Verheiden:
At the time they were releasing/re-releasing a lot of the comics as trade paperbacks and decided to take the opportunity to modify them.
(Interestingly he also notes that they weren't allowed to have Ripley in it originally for licensing issues, which says a lot about how seriously Fox considered it any sort of official continuation of the series at the time. Verheiden also mentions that comic tie-ins of movie franchises were the bastard children of the comic industry at the time.)
So as I've said from the beginning, no: that A3 ignored the comics is not the same as this movie (very potentially) ignoring A3.
QuoteSS: The series was a great success, and the way that characters like Newt and Hicks were handled was superb. However, after Alien 3 the comics were retrofitted to suit the canon of that movie. Hicks became 'Wilks', and Newt became 'Billie'. Do you feel that this recasting detracted from the series?https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2013/02/21/strange-shapes-interviews-mark-verheiden/
MV: Dark Horse felt they needed to make those changes so the books would fit into the Aliens film canon post Alien 3. It kept the books in print and I happily cashed my royalty checks, but I had absolutely nothing to do with the re-edit and as far as I'm concerned the original stories are the ones I would prefer for people to read.
At the time they were releasing/re-releasing a lot of the comics as trade paperbacks and decided to take the opportunity to modify them.
(Interestingly he also notes that they weren't allowed to have Ripley in it originally for licensing issues, which says a lot about how seriously Fox considered it any sort of official continuation of the series at the time. Verheiden also mentions that comic tie-ins of movie franchises were the bastard children of the comic industry at the time.)
So as I've said from the beginning, no: that A3 ignored the comics is not the same as this movie (very potentially) ignoring A3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 11:53:35 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 11:53:35 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 11:44:42 AMSeeing what FOX is doing with it, not really. They're being given the same 'relative importance' and they're getting the same treatment as of now. FOX isn't considering 3 and 4 as hurdles at all.
So as I've said from the beginning, no: that A3 ignored the comics is not the same as this movie (very potentially) ignoring A3.
And yes, they wanted to fit it into canon. Tells loads.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 11:58:12 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 11:58:12 AM
"As of now", as in, they have decided to be lazy. They never gave half a shit about the comics. They didn't start ignoring it because they never started caring. That is not the case with A3 or Resurrection.
QuoteAnd yes, they wanted to fit it into canon. Tells loads.Dark Horse did. Not Fox. Those are two different companies.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 12:43:15 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2015, 12:43:15 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 11:58:12 AMAll they give a shit about is their income, really. See the Alien3 quote earlier.
"As of now", as in, they have decided to be lazy. They never gave half a shit about the comics.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 11:58:12 AMI know. I was referring to them in response to that portion of your post.
Dark Horse did. Not Fox. Those are two different companies.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 07, 2015, 01:07:06 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 07, 2015, 01:07:06 PM
Quote from: Doktor Wunderbar on Mar 07, 2015, 08:25:33 AM
In my opinion, he doesn't need to do that himself. If he disregards those films completely, or even contradicts them, you're still free to enjoy them as their own separate continuity.
This is very true, even if their continuity is erased for a new one, the dvds are not going to magically disappear, they will always be there to watch. ;D
Its like EU, personally I am neutral about it but some think its canon, others not but those who don't still acknowledge them and enjoy reading them.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 04:36:30 PM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 04:36:30 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 08:43:54 AMQuote from: predxeno on Mar 07, 2015, 07:32:32 AMNo, they can't. I specified film sequels for a reason.
Well, not to put too fine a point on it but I think in this regard "film sequels" and "game sequels" can be used interchangeably
Well, there is also one film sequel that took the EU canon as well, Michael Bay's Transformers. In the novelization of TF1, Agent Simmons took Frenzy's decapitated head with him as a trophy (this isn't mentioned at all in the film), in the prequel novelization to TF2 Simmons is also depicted having locked the head in his apartment below his deli shop, and lastly in in the actual TF2 film Simmons is shown having Frenzy's head and having kept it from the events of the 1st novelization which the 1st movie made no mention of.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 10:16:38 PM
Post by: SiL on Mar 07, 2015, 10:16:38 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Mar 07, 2015, 12:43:15 PMThat Dark Horse wanted to do it means nothing in terms of what Fox wanted.
I know. I was referring to them in response to that portion of your post.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: andrew.deacon.946 on Mar 08, 2015, 12:34:30 AM
Post by: andrew.deacon.946 on Mar 08, 2015, 12:34:30 AM
I don't care whether it's retcon or canon or Ripley and Hicks are back or not I'm just hoorah that we are getting another Alien film directed by someone that seems to understand the whole series
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 08, 2015, 12:55:27 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 08, 2015, 12:55:27 AM
All things considered I'm not seeing where he seems to actually understand the series.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NickisSmart on Mar 08, 2015, 01:12:25 AM
Post by: NickisSmart on Mar 08, 2015, 01:12:25 AM
Define "understand the whole series." That being said, he can probably manage the visual side of things. But what is the series actually about as a whole? Tonally each film is completely different. If I were him I'd pick the film to be the same flavor as the first or second film. Forget the series as a whole because you're not going to encapsulate all of it in a single film. Alien was Gothic Horror. Aliens was Action/Suspense. Just go with those concepts. Throw in some uglies. Some guns. Some dystopian retro-futuristic settings...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: gabgrave on Mar 08, 2015, 03:57:36 AM
Post by: gabgrave on Mar 08, 2015, 03:57:36 AM
I'll be glad if Blomkamp knows that he doesn't 'understand' the series. Because that means he'll be actively looking for ways to expand his knowledge of the universe, and explore new options. Rather than picking any single one theme and running along with it, it would be better if he picked those parts that were good, and mixed them into his own style, to come up with something unique.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 08, 2015, 04:32:49 AM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 08, 2015, 04:32:49 AM
In what world would anyone take the brainless Dark Horse comics into serious consideration to be acknowledged in film, is my opinion.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 08, 2015, 07:07:23 AM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 08, 2015, 07:07:23 AM
Paul WS Anderson for one. :-\
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 08, 2015, 07:52:57 AM
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Mar 08, 2015, 07:52:57 AM
Sure, but he's a hack no one takes seriously either.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 08, 2015, 09:04:43 AM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 08, 2015, 09:04:43 AM
There is one good thing from that film, and that's the animation.
I wouldn't mind he borrow choreography ideas from AvP. I mean, the Queen itself, despite the design being badly watered down, does have some brilliant movements. I think you can take the more smooth movements of the Queen in that film, and keep going with that.
The movements fit the idea of the Queen better than those in Aliens, despite, Aliens having the better design. If you get what I'm saying. If you could mesh the two, it'd be brilliant.
Example of what I'm talking about
I wouldn't mind he borrow choreography ideas from AvP. I mean, the Queen itself, despite the design being badly watered down, does have some brilliant movements. I think you can take the more smooth movements of the Queen in that film, and keep going with that.
The movements fit the idea of the Queen better than those in Aliens, despite, Aliens having the better design. If you get what I'm saying. If you could mesh the two, it'd be brilliant.
Example of what I'm talking about
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 08, 2015, 09:15:32 AM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 08, 2015, 09:15:32 AM
The Aliens in that movie loved using their tail. Damn.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 08, 2015, 09:23:58 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 08, 2015, 09:23:58 AM
The Queen in Aliens moved like a 14 foot tall awkwardly-shaped monster designed to sit on its arse all its life would walk: awkward as f**k.
The AvP Queen was a T-Rex in a rubber suit.
The AvP Queen was a T-Rex in a rubber suit.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 08, 2015, 03:21:42 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 08, 2015, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 08, 2015, 09:23:58 AM
The Queen in Aliens moved like a 14 foot tall awkwardly-shaped monster designed to sit on its arse all its life would walk: awkward as f**k.
The AvP Queen was a T-Rex in a rubber suit.
The shot of the AVP Queen running through the temple, and the wide shot of it after it comes out of the ice are just... Ugh. The animation is all wrong.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Mar 08, 2015, 03:33:16 PM
Post by: Magegg on Mar 08, 2015, 03:33:16 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 08, 2015, 03:21:42 PMYes, yes, this f**king yes :D I'm glad to see I'm not the only one, that queen running didn't move like xeno at all!Quote from: SiL on Mar 08, 2015, 09:23:58 AM
The Queen in Aliens moved like a 14 foot tall awkwardly-shaped monster designed to sit on its arse all its life would walk: awkward as f**k.
The AvP Queen was a T-Rex in a rubber suit.
The shot of the AVP Queen running through the temple, and the wide shot of it after it comes out of the ice are just... Ugh. The animation is all wrong.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NickisSmart on Mar 08, 2015, 04:06:31 PM
Post by: NickisSmart on Mar 08, 2015, 04:06:31 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 08, 2015, 09:23:58 AM
The Queen in Aliens moved like a 14 foot tall awkwardly-shaped monster designed to sit on its arse all its life would walk: awkward as f**k.
The AvP Queen was a T-Rex in a rubber suit.
If I had to choose between the two, I'd go with the original queen. No post production effects. Just clever camera work and object manipulation.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 08, 2015, 04:57:48 PM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 08, 2015, 04:57:48 PM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 08, 2015, 04:32:49 AM
In what world would anyone take the brainless Dark Horse comics into serious consideration to be acknowledged in film, is my opinion.
Now that I think of it a bit more, I believe A:R also took a LOT of direction from the Aliens comics as well, even the novelization (which is based on the script) references the comics as a valid source in its plot.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 08, 2015, 05:04:49 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 08, 2015, 05:04:49 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 08, 2015, 03:33:16 PMQuote from: OpenMaw on Mar 08, 2015, 03:21:42 PMYes, yes, this f**king yes :D I'm glad to see I'm not the only one, that queen running didn't move like xeno at all!Quote from: SiL on Mar 08, 2015, 09:23:58 AM
The Queen in Aliens moved like a 14 foot tall awkwardly-shaped monster designed to sit on its arse all its life would walk: awkward as f**k.
The AvP Queen was a T-Rex in a rubber suit.
The shot of the AVP Queen running through the temple, and the wide shot of it after it comes out of the ice are just... Ugh. The animation is all wrong.
She moves like Zilla
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 08, 2015, 07:39:09 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 08, 2015, 07:39:09 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 08, 2015, 09:23:58 AM
The Queen in Aliens moved like a 14 foot tall awkwardly-shaped monster designed to sit on its arse all its life would walk: awkward as f**k.
The AvP Queen was a T-Rex in a rubber suit.
Literally, you're right. Figuritavely, that's not that great, especially in computer animation. I think there's more you can do with its character than just that. It's a cinematic icon for being a disgusting femme fatale, not a giant bug. Well, it's a bit of both. It's design had a figurative corsette on it. I get what you're saying though, I prefer, as much as it pains me to admit it, the fluid style of the way the Queen in AvP moved in certain scenes.
The Tyrannosaurus Rex running and its overall design are terrible. It should run, awkwardly, I think there's a middle ground where it's not totally awkward and disconnects you from the film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 09, 2015, 06:40:16 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 09, 2015, 06:40:16 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 08, 2015, 04:57:48 PMWhen?
Now that I think of it a bit more, I believe A:R also took a LOT of direction from the Aliens comics as well, even the novelization (which is based on the script) references the comics as a valid source in its plot.
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 08, 2015, 07:39:09 PMI'd rather she actually have character, and characteristics, than be cookie-cutter. That's what AvP gave us: she's just every other big monster post-CGI. The Queen in Aliens is a unique, horrible, convincing pile of nasty (some dodgy shots aside). That's why she's memorable.
Figuritavely, that's not that great, especially in computer animation. I think there's more you can do with its character than just that. It's a cinematic icon for being a disgusting femme fatale, not a giant bug.
She shouldn't move quickly, or run with any sort of agility. Those sorts of imperfections in it make it more convincing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 09, 2015, 01:07:42 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 09, 2015, 01:07:42 PM
While I agree she shouldn't move like a dinosaur, her "clumsy" movements were down to limited special effects, not intent so its not right to want filmmakers to purposefully give the Queen the same movements but I do agree she should not run like a T-rex... but then again, what gives us the right to say such things? how do we know what a Queen should move like in an open environment? we don't, she could be graceful and agile, there is nothing wrong with that. but I think her weight would have to affect her movement of course.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 09, 2015, 01:13:05 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 09, 2015, 01:13:05 PM
What right? As the audience we have every right to criticise things if they look "wrong" to us.
It looks dumb to have her walking in that fashion and it is precisely because film makers have the "we can do anything with CGI!" mindset that gives us such ridiculous looking effects work. Yoda jumping around like a goddamn ninja and completely undermining his teachings in Empire, and so on.
Having the queen move like a predatory hunter kind of a creature doesn't make sense. As SiL has said a few times both recently and in the past... The bitch is supposed to park and drop eggs for her entire life. That's not a creature that's going to be nimble and agile. She's going to be somewhat awkward. The queen in Aliens looks believable by and large because physical reality played a part in the design of the creature.
It looks dumb to have her walking in that fashion and it is precisely because film makers have the "we can do anything with CGI!" mindset that gives us such ridiculous looking effects work. Yoda jumping around like a goddamn ninja and completely undermining his teachings in Empire, and so on.
Having the queen move like a predatory hunter kind of a creature doesn't make sense. As SiL has said a few times both recently and in the past... The bitch is supposed to park and drop eggs for her entire life. That's not a creature that's going to be nimble and agile. She's going to be somewhat awkward. The queen in Aliens looks believable by and large because physical reality played a part in the design of the creature.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 09, 2015, 01:43:29 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 09, 2015, 01:43:29 PM
As I said, I don't agree with the dinosaur movement but what I mean by "what right", is that we don't know much about the Queen, she lays eggs and she is a massive Xenomorph, but her design in Aliens was to accommodate the people inside the suit, she is not meant to look overly fat or incabable of fast movement, but I agree her weight should be taken in account.
Also regardless if hunting is not her role, she is adept at it, she kept finding Newt when she didn't even "see" where she hid due to Ripley distracting her. Point is, while we have the right criticise, we don't hold the facts, we don't know what the Queen could be capable of because we didn't design it, and we never see her prior to laying eggs and only briefly after ripping away from her ovipositor, I doubt Cameron wanted the Queen to be as large and wide as it was in the torso and its movements not as fluid, its a result of limitations not an intention for an in-universe role.
Nostalgia and practical effects is all well and good, hell I love practical effects more than CGI anyday but trying to deliberately use unnecessarily "bad" movements is just silly and quite frankly, cheesy. Aliens film should be taken seriously, this is where Resurrection failed. Its like Evil Dead 2, where for Linda, they purposely used a fake looking head, a doll's head basically, it only works (arguably) because the film doesn't take itself seriously.
If someone can do something better, they should. homages are a problem in this franchise. Like I said, I don't agree with the dinosaur movement either, her weight and size should be taken into account but her original movements were not intentional, its the result of their effects and what they had to work with. I imagine cameron would done more had he today's tech.
QuoteSays who? while it is her role, there is nothing to say she can't move from time to time to find better spots or deal with threats, don't forget before she even gets to "park and drop" point, she has to choose areas and move to them, said areas can have threats, and if there are no warriors, she has the weapons for dealing with threats herself.
The bitch is supposed to park and drop eggs for her entire life.
Also regardless if hunting is not her role, she is adept at it, she kept finding Newt when she didn't even "see" where she hid due to Ripley distracting her. Point is, while we have the right criticise, we don't hold the facts, we don't know what the Queen could be capable of because we didn't design it, and we never see her prior to laying eggs and only briefly after ripping away from her ovipositor, I doubt Cameron wanted the Queen to be as large and wide as it was in the torso and its movements not as fluid, its a result of limitations not an intention for an in-universe role.
Nostalgia and practical effects is all well and good, hell I love practical effects more than CGI anyday but trying to deliberately use unnecessarily "bad" movements is just silly and quite frankly, cheesy. Aliens film should be taken seriously, this is where Resurrection failed. Its like Evil Dead 2, where for Linda, they purposely used a fake looking head, a doll's head basically, it only works (arguably) because the film doesn't take itself seriously.
If someone can do something better, they should. homages are a problem in this franchise. Like I said, I don't agree with the dinosaur movement either, her weight and size should be taken into account but her original movements were not intentional, its the result of their effects and what they had to work with. I imagine cameron would done more had he today's tech.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Jarac on Mar 09, 2015, 02:01:45 PM
Post by: Jarac on Mar 09, 2015, 02:01:45 PM
To be honest, one of the few things I liked about AVP was the Alien Queen. While I don't think she should move like a T-Rex, I liked that her movements were a lot more fluid. I attribute the awkward movement of the Queen in Aliens to be due to the technical limitations of the time, but damn they did great with what they had and created one of the most iconic monsters in media history.
So while I do think her weight should be taken into account and she shouldn't be able to move as freely and like a dinosaur in AVP, I like the more general fluidity of her motions and feel that should be followed up. Meet the two styles half-way.
So while I do think her weight should be taken into account and she shouldn't be able to move as freely and like a dinosaur in AVP, I like the more general fluidity of her motions and feel that should be followed up. Meet the two styles half-way.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 09, 2015, 02:04:27 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 09, 2015, 02:04:27 PM
Quote from: Jarac on Mar 09, 2015, 02:01:45 PM
To be honest, one of the few things I liked about AVP was the Alien Queen. While I don't think she should move like a T-Rex, I liked that her movements were a lot more fluid. I attribute the awkward movement of the Queen in Aliens to be due to the technical limitations of the time, but damn they did great with what they had and created one of the most iconic monsters in media history.
So while I do think her weight should be taken into account and she shouldn't be able to move as freely and like a dinosaur in AVP, I like the more general fluidity of her motions and feel should be followed up. Meet the two styles half-way.
Exactly, I love Aliens, I think the Queen holds up well but you just know, it can be done much better now. I wouldn't want a dinosaur moment either but there is no need to go backwards either.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 09, 2015, 03:01:15 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 09, 2015, 03:01:15 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 09, 2015, 01:07:42 PM
While I agree she shouldn't move like a dinosaur, her "clumsy" movements were down to limited special effects, not intent so its not right to want filmmakers to purposefully give the Queen the same movements but I do agree she should not run like a T-rex... but then again, what gives us the right to say such things? how do we know what a Queen should move like in an open environment? we don't, she could be graceful and agile, there is nothing wrong with that. but I think her weight would have to affect her movement of course.
Look at her proportions. Something with a head that big is going to be as graceful and agile as a ton of bricks swaying in the wind.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Jarac on Mar 09, 2015, 03:04:30 PM
Post by: Jarac on Mar 09, 2015, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 09, 2015, 03:01:15 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Mar 09, 2015, 01:07:42 PM
While I agree she shouldn't move like a dinosaur, her "clumsy" movements were down to limited special effects, not intent so its not right to want filmmakers to purposefully give the Queen the same movements but I do agree she should not run like a T-rex... but then again, what gives us the right to say such things? how do we know what a Queen should move like in an open environment? we don't, she could be graceful and agile, there is nothing wrong with that. but I think her weight would have to affect her movement of course.
Look at her proportions. Something with a head that big is going to be as graceful and agile as a ton of bricks swaying in the wind.
That's why I think they should do a half-way point. More fluidity, but maintaing a sense of awkwardness because she's not meant to be a fighter/hunter (although she is quite capable of it).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 09, 2015, 03:22:35 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 09, 2015, 03:22:35 PM
Yep, I think she should move realistically for her size but not as if she is held up by a crane and other puppetry methods, and minitures, which is the reason for the movement in Aliens.
When I said agile or graceful, I meant that we can't know for sure what she can or cannot do, not that I think she should be agile, in fact the Praetorian in the AVP games couldn't scale walls because of its size, I think other than the Predalien, it was slowest Alien as well. So I absolutely believe the Queen should have limitations due to her size but that doesn't = egg-on-legs style walking. I am firmly in the camp of "Queen shouldn't move like in AVP" but if the movement can be improved over Aliens, I don't see the problem.
When I said agile or graceful, I meant that we can't know for sure what she can or cannot do, not that I think she should be agile, in fact the Praetorian in the AVP games couldn't scale walls because of its size, I think other than the Predalien, it was slowest Alien as well. So I absolutely believe the Queen should have limitations due to her size but that doesn't = egg-on-legs style walking. I am firmly in the camp of "Queen shouldn't move like in AVP" but if the movement can be improved over Aliens, I don't see the problem.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 09, 2015, 03:43:28 PM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 09, 2015, 03:43:28 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 09, 2015, 06:40:16 AMQuote from: predxeno on Mar 08, 2015, 04:57:48 PMWhen?
Now that I think of it a bit more, I believe A:R also took a LOT of direction from the Aliens comics as well, even the novelization (which is based on the script) references the comics as a valid source in its plot.
In the movie, the Aliens escaping their cages by killing one of their own and using its acid blood was lifted straight from Aliens: Nightmare Asylum. In the novelization, it's explained that the reason Ripley 8 has Alien attributes is because while chestbursters take on their host's traits, they also give their hosts xenomorph traits as well (regrettably, most hosts die before realizing these changes made to their body :(); this is pulled right out from the comics series, specifically Aliens: Purge.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 09, 2015, 04:54:05 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 09, 2015, 04:54:05 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Mar 09, 2015, 03:43:28 PM
In the novelization, it's explained that the reason Ripley 8 has Alien attributes is because while chestbursters take on their host's traits, they also give their hosts xenomorph traits as well (regrettably, most hosts die before realizing these changes made to their body :(); this is pulled right out from the comics series, specifically Aliens: Purge.
Ugh... If that were true, the blood bukakke Lambert received from Kane's birth would have melted her face off.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: gabgrave on Mar 09, 2015, 04:58:25 PM
Post by: gabgrave on Mar 09, 2015, 04:58:25 PM
To be frank, if you look at Aliens, the queen's legs shouldn't be able to support it's weight and posture at all. And it should be making stompy noises, not slappy ones. However, since it's shown in the film to do so, for the sake of discussion, let's say that the legs can support and move that giant head and body, and move it pretty quickly when it needs to. One other point I notice in Aliens is how in quite a few scenes her knees are shown to be drawn up to her torso, as if she were walking in a crouch. That would be where the awkward movement posture is from, since when it was charging at the closing door, and fighting with the loader, it was standing fully erect and had no problems going full speed. In all honesty though, the Aliens queen had really underdeveloped legs for its body, while the AvP and video game ones had relatively proportionate legs. Heck look at the NECA queen, it's legs are more defined than the Aliens one.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 09, 2015, 05:22:11 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 09, 2015, 05:22:11 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 09, 2015, 06:40:16 AMQuote from: predxeno on Mar 08, 2015, 04:57:48 PMWhen?
Now that I think of it a bit more, I believe A:R also took a LOT of direction from the Aliens comics as well, even the novelization (which is based on the script) references the comics as a valid source in its plot.Quote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 08, 2015, 07:39:09 PMI'd rather she actually have character, and characteristics, than be cookie-cutter. That's what AvP gave us: she's just every other big monster post-CGI. The Queen in Aliens is a unique, horrible, convincing pile of nasty (some dodgy shots aside). That's why she's memorable.
Figuritavely, that's not that great, especially in computer animation. I think there's more you can do with its character than just that. It's a cinematic icon for being a disgusting femme fatale, not a giant bug.
She shouldn't move quickly, or run with any sort of agility. Those sorts of imperfections in it make it more convincing.
I'm not bringing up running. I'm bringing up movements aside from running. Her head, jaws, inner jaws, and tail. Her arms, and lower arms. These are aspects of her in front of her body that she has the most control over, that the audience gets as the "primary threat" area. If you're within proximity of that, you're f**ked. I can't imagine something like an Alien Queen being totally unable to protect itself and be more awkward in defensive characteristics than its offspring. I mean, you could argue that, but knowing the character of The Alien, it doesn't make much sense. The thing should move awkwardly.
It should be a Looming Threat. In other words, it wals slow, grabs a hold of things, but you can see this beautiful creature in the front, being weighed down moving in a deathly ballet trying to nab you, off its egg sac and angry as hell. It should be this seductive thing, with its tail nimbly moving. In Aliens, we are proved its tail moves far more nimbly than the rest of its body, and is capable of killing. Its arms can rip an entire android in half.
It shouldn't be awkward in every aspect of its being, that isn't even what Cameron wanted. What it should be, is this slow moving colossus of exoskeleton, almost begging and pleading with its arms for you to come near it, its tail smoothly moving, its jaws (and inner jaws) exiting its crown and mouth. All of this fluidly. While the rest of its body moves around in horrid contrapposto, awkwardly shifting its weight. It's torso and neck and legs and hips moving like terrible pistons with terrible purpose, unable to express emotion or rage. However, its defining threatening features (head, arms, tail, jaws) moving all the more fluidly, the areas it has instincts enough to protect itself.
The whole body shouldn't move awkwardly, is what I'm saying. It should move from point a to point b awkwardly, but the rest of its body should have the hyper-fluid grace and dignity of something that's perhaps millions of years old in instinct only meant to protect itself and its brethren, better than its brethren, in last resort.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 09, 2015, 06:28:00 PM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 09, 2015, 06:28:00 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 09, 2015, 04:54:05 PMQuote from: predxeno on Mar 09, 2015, 03:43:28 PM
In the novelization, it's explained that the reason Ripley 8 has Alien attributes is because while chestbursters take on their host's traits, they also give their hosts xenomorph traits as well (regrettably, most hosts die before realizing these changes made to their body :(); this is pulled right out from the comics series, specifically Aliens: Purge.
Ugh... If that were true, the blood bukakke Lambert received from Kane's birth would have melted her face off.
Lol, that would have been funny. :laugh: But as I said, most of the hosts die before the effects become apparent, for obvious reasons. :(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Mar 10, 2015, 03:51:23 AM
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Mar 10, 2015, 03:51:23 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 09, 2015, 03:01:15 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Mar 09, 2015, 01:07:42 PM
While I agree she shouldn't move like a dinosaur, her "clumsy" movements were down to limited special effects, not intent so its not right to want filmmakers to purposefully give the Queen the same movements but I do agree she should not run like a T-rex... but then again, what gives us the right to say such things? how do we know what a Queen should move like in an open environment? we don't, she could be graceful and agile, there is nothing wrong with that. but I think her weight would have to affect her movement of course.
Look at her proportions. Something with a head that big is going to be as graceful and agile as a ton of bricks swaying in the wind.
You're assuming that she is made of the same materials as Earth organisms. For all we know she could be lightweight despite her bulk. We also know that even for her size that she is freakishly strong.
I have to disagree, seeing the Queen running around at the end was the only part of the AvP films where I was actually enjoying the films...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 10, 2015, 07:10:52 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 10, 2015, 07:10:52 AM
To each their own I guess. :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 10, 2015, 07:21:12 AM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 10, 2015, 07:21:12 AM
I just hope that Blomkamp quashes the idea of the aliens being purely genetic constructs of the Engineers. I don't mind the addition of bioweapons drawn from the xenomorphs, such as the deacon and the trilobite, but if the base species was simply cooked up in a lab, they might as well change the name of the series from Alien to Weapon.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 10, 2015, 09:45:15 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 10, 2015, 09:45:15 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 09, 2015, 01:07:42 PMLike heck it's not. Regardless of whether it was a technical limitation or by design, that's the look that stuck, that's the look that sold it. It's absolutely right to want it recreated when it was so effective to start with.
While I agree she shouldn't move like a dinosaur, her "clumsy" movements were down to limited special effects, not intent so its not right to want filmmakers to purposefully give the Queen the same movements
Quotehow do we know what a Queen should move like in an open environment? we don't, she could be graceful and agileShe couldn't. She's ridiculously top-heavy, not just her crown but her enormous torso to hip ratio. Her limbs are long and spindly. Either her back end would need to be bulked up, or she'd need to walk with exactly the low, splayed gait she's shown with in Aliens.
QuoteI doubt Cameron wanted the Queen to be as large and wide as it was in the torso and its movements not as fluid, its a result of limitations not an intention for an in-universe role.You mention what "right" we have to ask that a character be consistent, but what "right" do you have to say that?
Cameron designed the Queen. Every one of his designs, from beginning to last, looks large and awkward. If he wanted svelte and sleek, he would have designed her like that. If he'd wanted her to be more agile, they easily could've made that happen with the puppet they used for 50% of her screentime and just been more selective with the full-sized creature.
But she was designed, built, and performed from the ground up as this large, ungainly, spindly thing. Cameron was not a man to cut corners, particularly when it comes to technology. If he'd wanted a fast, agile creature, he would've done everything he possibly could have to make that happen. They pulled rubber huggers on strings and ran the footage backwards to make agile face-huggers, you don't think they would've tried for a different Queen if that had been the desire?
From beginning to end, she was what she was -- how do you justify saying "I'm sure he didn't actually want that"?
QuoteIf someone can do something better, they should.Right, but how do you objectively defend that "more agile" is "better"? The Queen and her movements were a convincing character creation. There wasn't anything to do "better" in terms of her performance. She's large, awkwardly shaped, top-heavy, and clearly not designed to walk around much. Taking that design, then having it run around, isn't "better" at all, it's worse. It shows that they aren't paying attention to the nature of the design.
ADI's animatronic was technically better than two guys in a rubber suit, but the performance they got out of it wasn't.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 10, 2015, 12:51:17 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 10, 2015, 12:51:17 PM
Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Mar 10, 2015, 03:51:23 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Mar 09, 2015, 03:01:15 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Mar 09, 2015, 01:07:42 PM
While I agree she shouldn't move like a dinosaur, her "clumsy" movements were down to limited special effects, not intent so its not right to want filmmakers to purposefully give the Queen the same movements but I do agree she should not run like a T-rex... but then again, what gives us the right to say such things? how do we know what a Queen should move like in an open environment? we don't, she could be graceful and agile, there is nothing wrong with that. but I think her weight would have to affect her movement of course.
Look at her proportions. Something with a head that big is going to be as graceful and agile as a ton of bricks swaying in the wind.
You're assuming that she is made of the same materials as Earth organisms. For all we know she could be lightweight despite her bulk. We also know that even for her size that she is freakishly strong.
What what what? Nothing about her screamed "lightweight". A creature that large cannot be classified as lightweight. Maybe her bones are hollow, like a large theropod dinosaur, but she's still a heavyweight.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 10, 2015, 12:55:20 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Mar 10, 2015, 12:55:20 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 10, 2015, 09:45:15 AMQuote from: The Cruentus on Mar 09, 2015, 01:07:42 PMLike heck it's not. Regardless of whether it was a technical limitation or by design, that's the look that stuck, that's the look that sold it. It's absolutely right to want it recreated when it was so effective to start with.
While I agree she shouldn't move like a dinosaur, her "clumsy" movements were down to limited special effects, not intent so its not right to want filmmakers to purposefully give the Queen the same movementsQuotehow do we know what a Queen should move like in an open environment? we don't, she could be graceful and agileShe couldn't. She's ridiculously top-heavy, not just her crown but her enormous torso to hip ratio. Her limbs are long and spindly. Either her back end would need to be bulked up, or she'd need to walk with exactly the low, splayed gait she's shown with in Aliens.QuoteI doubt Cameron wanted the Queen to be as large and wide as it was in the torso and its movements not as fluid, its a result of limitations not an intention for an in-universe role.You mention what "right" we have to ask that a character be consistent, but what "right" do you have to say that?
Cameron designed the Queen. Every one of his designs, from beginning to last, looks large and awkward. If he wanted svelte and sleek, he would have designed her like that. If he'd wanted her to be more agile, they easily could've made that happen with the puppet they used for 50% of her screentime and just been more selective with the full-sized creature.
But she was designed, built, and performed from the ground up as this large, ungainly, spindly thing. Cameron was not a man to cut corners, particularly when it comes to technology. If he'd wanted a fast, agile creature, he would've done everything he possibly could have to make that happen. They pulled rubber huggers on strings and ran the footage backwards to make agile face-huggers, you don't think they would've tried for a different Queen if that had been the desire?
From beginning to end, she was what she was -- how do you justify saying "I'm sure he didn't actually want that"?QuoteIf someone can do something better, they should.Right, but how do you objectively defend that "more agile" is "better"? The Queen and her movements were a convincing character creation. There wasn't anything to do "better" in terms of her performance. She's large, awkwardly shaped, top-heavy, and clearly not designed to walk around much. Taking that design, then having it run around, isn't "better" at all, it's worse. It shows that they aren't paying attention to the nature of the design.
ADI's animatronic was technically better than two guys in a rubber suit, but the performance they got out of it wasn't.
I'll Answer from the top down.
That is your opinion and rightfully so, I liked it too and I think it holds up very well but it can be done better now and some of us want improvement, within reason of course.
As I said, limitations, the torso had to fit the puppeteers in. Also in-universe, Xenomorphs are notoriously strong, spindly limbs don't seem to be a problem for them, plus the bio-mechanical-ness though that is assuming it is internal as well.
What right do I have? simple, not only the natural given right but I am not the one dictating what the Queen should or should not be like based on probable bias, its understandable though since Aliens is the high point and AVP was clearly not, I don't want to see the Queen like a dinosaur either but she needs to more fluid in her movements, even if they are slow and not to come off as offensive but even overweight people can bend and twist. The torso is supposed to have some flexibility, the Queen didn't at all, she had to turn her whole body. So I don't see why the Queen shouldn't be able to do that.
Opinions are all well and good but we barely know anything about the Queen because everytime we see her, its briefly and then there is the video games, but whether you take that as reference, is up to you, I know some ignore EU and that is fine.
Cameron doesn't cut corners no, but he knows limitations and will try and get around them if he can, by compromise if necessary.
Also if you can provide pictures of Cameron's designs that show otherwise, I will happily concede, I do remember Cameron saying something about the Queen during the fight scene on the commentary, I watch it recently too but I can't remember what he said but I think its along the lines "this could be done beautifully by CGI nowadays" might be inaccurate, I will have to go back and check that and with subtitles too.
I never said more agile was better, I was throwing words out there, I was making the point of saying the Queen has never really been seen much outside of laying eggs and end fight scene. So we can't say what she is or isn't capable of.
And I think may we made need to wrap this up since its off-topic, if such a topic was created though, I wouldn't mind continuing the discussion there.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 10, 2015, 02:24:57 PM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 10, 2015, 02:24:57 PM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 10, 2015, 07:21:12 AM
I just hope that Blomkamp quashes the idea of the aliens being purely genetic constructs of the Engineers. I don't mind the addition of bioweapons drawn from the xenomorphs, such as the deacon and the trilobite, but if the base species was simply cooked up in a lab, they might as well change the name of the series from Alien to Weapon.
Well, we were also cooked up in their lab so I think that fact alone would alleviate the effect you are referring to if the Aliens turned out to be nothing more than "constructs".
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 10, 2015, 10:32:18 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 10, 2015, 10:32:18 PM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 10, 2015, 07:21:12 AM
I just hope that Blomkamp quashes the idea of the aliens being purely genetic constructs of the Engineers. I don't mind the addition of bioweapons drawn from the xenomorphs, such as the deacon and the trilobite, but if the base species was simply cooked up in a lab, they might as well change the name of the series from Alien to Weapon.
I don't think the Engineer's design weapons per say, they just create efficient life. If we go a bit further, humans, are something that have dominated the world for several thousand years, and as far as we know, are the only animal capable of doing it so efficiently with our survival and betterment at all costs attitude, that went in the way outside of what they wanted without their guidance, since they weren't as perfect as they thought themselves ironically.
I think, a good balance is, they have worlds that had a native human populace didn't make the cut into being ascended into the Engineer "supremacy", and they just left it on its own, and the life there, adapted to survive at all costs and be hostile, just evolved without anyone's intervention, eg, The Aliens. Or, there are just worlds with The Aliens on them, whether from a battlewagon crash or something that the Engineers cultivate, regardless something, where Aliens can thrive, among other species that sprouted that act as hosts; all terribly hostile, engaging in predation with each other in an ecological equilibrium of total parasitic/sexual violence.
I don't like the idea of one total "Alien Homeworld", I like the idea there are just these barren rocks, waiting in the dark in some far flung corner of space like LV-426 that either are the result of The Fall, or just have native populations of extreme life. The idea that in the world of Alien, there are perhaps multiple seemingly lifeless benign grey rocky worlds or moons, that are just teeming with resources The Company (or A Corporation) looks at enviously, and they plop down, a few years later, nobody ever hears from them again. And it's all shoved under the rug.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 12, 2015, 10:54:27 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 12, 2015, 10:54:27 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Mar 10, 2015, 12:55:20 PM"Better" how? We're not asking for two guys in a rubber suit here, we're asking for a consistent performance. There was nothing wrong with her original performance, what is there to fix?
That is your opinion and rightfully so, I liked it too and I think it holds up very well but it can be done better now and some of us want improvement, within reason of course.
QuoteAs I said, limitations, the torso had to fit the puppeteers in.They designed her, then worked out how to engineer her. And her torso was always large. If they wanted her to seem better weighted, there was literally nothing stopping them making her back half more substantial.
QuoteWhat right do I have? simple, not only the natural given right but I am not the one dictating what the Queen should or should not be like based on probable biasYou absolutely are if you're saying it can be "better". You're saying it shouldn't be what it was.
QuoteThe torso is supposed to have some flexibilityBased on what?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Le Celticant on Mar 13, 2015, 12:27:12 AM
Post by: Le Celticant on Mar 13, 2015, 12:27:12 AM
I'm sure Cameron thought mathematically before anything else came when designing the queen.
As its name suggest, it's a queen, not a warrior. She was never meant to leave the hive and probably never meant to walk at all.
It's more a primary survival instinct rather than a warrior strategy.
And when you think about it, she was the weakest of all alien we ever saw in a movie:
She had huge troubles to take three unarmed people down.
Trying to make her deadlier would just be wrong.
As its name suggest, it's a queen, not a warrior. She was never meant to leave the hive and probably never meant to walk at all.
It's more a primary survival instinct rather than a warrior strategy.
And when you think about it, she was the weakest of all alien we ever saw in a movie:
She had huge troubles to take three unarmed people down.
Trying to make her deadlier would just be wrong.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 13, 2015, 05:11:00 AM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 13, 2015, 05:11:00 AM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 10, 2015, 10:32:18 PMQuote from: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 10, 2015, 07:21:12 AM
I just hope that Blomkamp quashes the idea of the aliens being purely genetic constructs of the Engineers. I don't mind the addition of bioweapons drawn from the xenomorphs, such as the deacon and the trilobite, but if the base species was simply cooked up in a lab, they might as well change the name of the series from Alien to Weapon.
I don't think the Engineer's design weapons per say, they just create efficient life. If we go a bit further, humans, are something that have dominated the world for several thousand years, and as far as we know, are the only animal capable of doing it so efficiently with our survival and betterment at all costs attitude, that went in the way outside of what they wanted without their guidance, since they weren't as perfect as they thought themselves ironically.
I think, a good balance is, they have worlds that had a native human populace didn't make the cut into being ascended into the Engineer "supremacy", and they just left it on its own, and the life there, adapted to survive at all costs and be hostile, just evolved without anyone's intervention, eg, The Aliens. Or, there are just worlds with The Aliens on them, whether from a battlewagon crash or something that the Engineers cultivate, regardless something, where Aliens can thrive, among other species that sprouted that act as hosts; all terribly hostile, engaging in predation with each other in an ecological equilibrium of total parasitic/sexual violence.
I don't like the idea of one total "Alien Homeworld", I like the idea there are just these barren rocks, waiting in the dark in some far flung corner of space like LV-426 that either are the result of The Fall, or just have native populations of extreme life. The idea that in the world of Alien, there are perhaps multiple seemingly lifeless benign grey rocky worlds or moons, that are just teeming with resources The Company (or A Corporation) looks at enviously, and they plop down, a few years later, nobody ever hears from them again. And it's all shoved under the rug.
This is actually a good idea; the concept of aliens and humans being weapons that grew out of control. Still, it does lend an air of artificiality. I really like how the creation of humanity was like something of a religious ceremony and not just some lab experiment. Maybe humans were never meant to be created, and the Engineers who did it were blasphemous heretics, explaining why the one in the movie was so intent on destroying humanity. This adds a new element to the franchise that I would really love to see explored.
As to the aliens, honestly, I'd love for them to be creatures that were forged from the darkest, most hellish corners of the universe. I can understand why a generic homeworld would not be very appealing (the concept was not done all that well in the comics, minus the idea of having creatures that had evolved to fight aliens). While the series should stick to science, I like the idea of the aliens being these things that come from a place that is so dark, so harsh that no life as we know could survive there more than a few seconds. A good setting for this would be a rogue planet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_planet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_planet)
To explain the aliens' strength and stamina, this planet could be a good bit larger than Earth. If it had an atmosphere, it would be an absolute nightmarish place to live. No sun would mean no light except for lightning and volcanic activity (if there were moons, no light would be reflected from them). No sun would also mean no photosynthesis, and the atmosphere would be incredibly toxic. Any life there would have to be tough, adaptable and ruthless beyond anything we see on Earth. This would be the perfect homeworld for xenomorphs; a blackened nightmare world perpetually floating through space, it inhabitants living forever in a deep midnight that is illuminated only by fire and lightning.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Le Celticant on Mar 13, 2015, 10:43:00 AM
Post by: Le Celticant on Mar 13, 2015, 10:43:00 AM
Without a star, there's a great chance the core of the planet is too cold/extinct making volcanic activity impossible and atmosphere wouldn't be more than a layer of dust.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 13, 2015, 11:30:03 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 13, 2015, 11:30:03 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Mar 13, 2015, 12:27:12 AM
And when you think about it, she was the weakest of all alien we ever saw in a movie:
She had huge troubles to take three unarmed people down.
Trying to make her deadlier would just be wrong.
She was fighting a power-loader, something that was roughly equal to her in size and was pretty damn powerful in its own right. That doesn't make her weak. Everything has a match.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 13, 2015, 06:31:36 PM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 13, 2015, 06:31:36 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Mar 13, 2015, 10:43:00 AM
Without a star, there's a great chance the core of the planet is too cold/extinct making volcanic activity impossible and atmosphere wouldn't be more than a layer of dust.
If it was large enough, it could still retain an atmosphere and geological activity for sometime. Other good places for a xenomorph homeworld would be a planet orbiting a white dwarf (extremely cold, very low light), the outer edges of a black hole, or a brown dwarf, as well as possibly a tidally-locked planet extremely close to its sun (this could explain the xenomorphs' durability as they could have developed the ability to move between the extreme cold and hot regions of the planet), or a Titan-like moon.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mister Skeezler on Mar 13, 2015, 09:43:29 PM
Post by: Mister Skeezler on Mar 13, 2015, 09:43:29 PM
I'd rather we never learn their origin.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 13, 2015, 10:18:57 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 13, 2015, 10:18:57 PM
Quote from: Mister Skeezler on Mar 13, 2015, 09:43:29 PM
I'd rather we never learn their origin.
Ditto.
I also like the idea that the Engineers discovered this life form and were in awe of it.
Basing their technology and their research completely on its biology.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 13, 2015, 11:35:37 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 13, 2015, 11:35:37 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 13, 2015, 10:18:57 PM
Ditto.
I also like the idea that the Engineers discovered this life form and were in awe of it.
Basing their technology and their research completely on its biology.
This is exactly what I'd like, although I'd also be totally cool with the creatures we've seen thus far not being the "true form" of the Alien - perhaps it's just what happens when the organism is exposed to Engineers/humans (although I'm not saying KENNER ALIENS FUND IT NOW, I mean that it might not always even be an animal, it could already manifest as a virus or biomechanical technology before the Engineers even started to play with it).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 14, 2015, 12:02:43 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 14, 2015, 12:02:43 AM
I like to think that the Engineers worship a Yog-sothoth type Lovecraftian being, and they took its genetic material and created both the xenos and the black goo from it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 14, 2015, 12:18:12 AM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 14, 2015, 12:18:12 AM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 13, 2015, 11:35:37 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Mar 13, 2015, 10:18:57 PM
Ditto.
I also like the idea that the Engineers discovered this life form and were in awe of it.
Basing their technology and their research completely on its biology.
This is exactly what I'd like, although I'd also be totally cool with the creatures we've seen thus far not being the "true form" of the Alien - perhaps it's just what happens when the organism is exposed to Engineers/humans (although I'm not saying KENNER ALIENS FUND IT NOW, I mean that it might not always even be an animal, it could already manifest as a virus or biomechanical technology before the Engineers even started to play with it).
That's an interesting idea that I like. Maybe the xenomorph homeworld is one big interconnected biomech hive, similar to what we see in some of Giger's landscapes:
The xenomorphs as we know that could be offshoot beings whose sole purpose is to seed new worlds with this technology. Who knows; maybe after several hundred years, or maybe even just decades, alien hives could begin to take on a more mechanical appearance as the society develops. Another idea would be to go back to the idea of the alien reproducing once in its own lifetime through egg morphing, with the aliens born from queens simply precursors to a more advanced breed. These super aliens, though being completely alien in their behavior, could be far more intelligent and dangerous, and each succeeding generation being more advanced than the last. The ultimate goal of this society would be to literally merge the entire universe into one perfect organism; not a mass of distinct individuals who are part of a hive mind like the Borg, but a constantly shifting singular organism that is the composite of all sentience in the universe boiled down to its purest state.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Mar 14, 2015, 12:31:26 AM
Post by: Magegg on Mar 14, 2015, 12:31:26 AM
Yay! I'd love to see the xenomorph origin planet for Alien 5!! :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 14, 2015, 12:38:47 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 14, 2015, 12:38:47 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 14, 2015, 12:31:26 AM
Yay! I'd love to see the xenomorph origin planet for Alien 5!! :D
Maybe Wilks will get his revenge.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 14, 2015, 12:49:03 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 14, 2015, 12:49:03 AM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 14, 2015, 12:18:12 AMQuote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 13, 2015, 11:35:37 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Mar 13, 2015, 10:18:57 PM
Ditto.
I also like the idea that the Engineers discovered this life form and were in awe of it.
Basing their technology and their research completely on its biology.
This is exactly what I'd like, although I'd also be totally cool with the creatures we've seen thus far not being the "true form" of the Alien - perhaps it's just what happens when the organism is exposed to Engineers/humans (although I'm not saying KENNER ALIENS FUND IT NOW, I mean that it might not always even be an animal, it could already manifest as a virus or biomechanical technology before the Engineers even started to play with it).
That's an interesting idea that I like. Maybe the xenomorph homeworld is one big interconnected biomech hive, similar to what we see in some of Giger's landscapes:
http://art.vniz.net/giger/Giger-Biomechanical_Landscape_I_No_297.jpg
The xenomorphs as we know that could be offshoot beings whose sole purpose is to seed new worlds with this technology. Who knows; maybe after several hundred years, or maybe even just decades, alien hives could begin to take on a more mechanical appearance as the society develops. Another idea would be to go back to the idea of the alien reproducing once in its own lifetime through egg morphing, with the aliens born from queens simply precursors to a more advanced breed. These super aliens, though being completely alien in their behavior, could be far more intelligent and dangerous, and each succeeding generation being more advanced than the last. The ultimate goal of this society would be to literally merge the entire universe into one perfect organism; not a mass of distinct individuals who are part of a hive mind like the Borg, but a constantly shifting singular organism that is the composite of all sentience in the universe boiled down to its purest state.
Love it, pretty much how I've been viewing the creature for some time now. I still enjoy more traditional interpretations too though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 14, 2015, 01:05:39 AM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 14, 2015, 01:05:39 AM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 14, 2015, 12:49:03 AMQuote from: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 14, 2015, 12:18:12 AMQuote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 13, 2015, 11:35:37 PMQuote from: Alien³ on Mar 13, 2015, 10:18:57 PM
Ditto.
I also like the idea that the Engineers discovered this life form and were in awe of it.
Basing their technology and their research completely on its biology.
This is exactly what I'd like, although I'd also be totally cool with the creatures we've seen thus far not being the "true form" of the Alien - perhaps it's just what happens when the organism is exposed to Engineers/humans (although I'm not saying KENNER ALIENS FUND IT NOW, I mean that it might not always even be an animal, it could already manifest as a virus or biomechanical technology before the Engineers even started to play with it).
That's an interesting idea that I like. Maybe the xenomorph homeworld is one big interconnected biomech hive, similar to what we see in some of Giger's landscapes:
http://art.vniz.net/giger/Giger-Biomechanical_Landscape_I_No_297.jpg
The xenomorphs as we know that could be offshoot beings whose sole purpose is to seed new worlds with this technology. Who knows; maybe after several hundred years, or maybe even just decades, alien hives could begin to take on a more mechanical appearance as the society develops. Another idea would be to go back to the idea of the alien reproducing once in its own lifetime through egg morphing, with the aliens born from queens simply precursors to a more advanced breed. These super aliens, though being completely alien in their behavior, could be far more intelligent and dangerous, and each succeeding generation being more advanced than the last. The ultimate goal of this society would be to literally merge the entire universe into one perfect organism; not a mass of distinct individuals who are part of a hive mind like the Borg, but a constantly shifting singular organism that is the composite of all sentience in the universe boiled down to its purest state.
Love it, pretty much how I've been viewing the creature for some time now. I still enjoy more traditional interpretations too though.
That would be the beauty of the series; it would be multilayered. On one level, you could have stories like the AVP games and old comics with marines, swarms of aliens, crooked corporate schemes and maybe the occasional predator. On the other hand, there could be more epic stories about the society and culture of these super aliens and how they are slowly encroaching on the rest of the galaxy, with a heavy Alien/Isolation/Giger feel. One idea is to have the Engineers actually be the slaves to the upper elite xenomorphs, not the masters as has seemingly been portrayed up til now. Maybe their odd appearance and heavy use of alien-based technology is due to them being heavily warped by the Alien mass, with them being more like humans in the far distant past. It could also explain their complete ruthlessness (who the hell wakes up after thousands of years and decides that committing genocide should be the first order of business?)
Another point is that while I totally understand why Ridley and Blomkamp want to move away from the AVP films, I think that predators could have a productive role in the Alien universe as a singular species who has managed to avoid destruction at the hands of the aliens and whose culture has been shaped by the conflict.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 14, 2015, 02:53:50 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 14, 2015, 02:53:50 AM
Please, f**k no, no "humanised Aliens" no technologically advanced Aliens, no "final plan" no never, that would utterly ruin the enigma and entire character/idea of the "Alien".
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 14, 2015, 03:13:54 AM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 14, 2015, 03:13:54 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 14, 2015, 02:53:50 AM
Please, f**k no, no "humanised Aliens" no technologically advanced Aliens, no "final plan" no never, that would utterly ruin the enigma and entire character/idea of the "Alien".
Who says that they have to be technological as we know it? I don't want xenomorphs piloting starships and leading invasions but I think making them more than giant space wasps is a good idea. Their conquest wouldn't have to be traditional, but something that occurs over millions of years through random events that we see in the movies. And more advanced aliens would not have to be humanized at all, just stronger and more intelligent.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 14, 2015, 03:17:23 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 14, 2015, 03:17:23 AM
I see, I'm all for that idea but I'm afraid that it would be extremely hamfisted and corny if someone attempted to portray it, instead of subtle.
Y'know what I would like to see acting human though? The Deacon, I imagine it eerily human toying with the orrery.
Y'know what I would like to see acting human though? The Deacon, I imagine it eerily human toying with the orrery.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 14, 2015, 03:33:26 AM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 14, 2015, 03:33:26 AM
A full grown Deacon, if done right, could be absolutely terrifying beyond anything we've seen before, if some of the designs from the concept art used. I think something that has been lost in all Alien sequels was the use of the slow stalking that was seen in the first film. When the alien encountered Brett, it didn't just leap down and yank him up like what happened with Superintendent Andrews, but rather it seemed to unfurl and almost study Brett before attacking. Then there is of course the scene with Lambert where the alien slowly rose from the floor and clearly took its time with her. And finally there was the scene where the alien didn't immediately attack Ripley at the end until Ripley blasted it with liquid nitrogen. There were hints of a broader consciousness beyond just a simple predator and I think that that should be explored further.
When it comes to 'advanced' aliens, I agree that they should not be human and should carry themselves like an alien. Your idea of subtly is a good one and is reflected well in some of Giger's earlier works:
This thing is clearly not human and doesn't seem to exude anything close to human emotion, yet it's more nimble hands are a sign of a creature that can work and think in a sophisticated manner. This combination of alien brutality with just a touch of refinement and played by someone with the skill of Bolaji Bodejo could be bone chilling on screen.
When it comes to 'advanced' aliens, I agree that they should not be human and should carry themselves like an alien. Your idea of subtly is a good one and is reflected well in some of Giger's earlier works:
This thing is clearly not human and doesn't seem to exude anything close to human emotion, yet it's more nimble hands are a sign of a creature that can work and think in a sophisticated manner. This combination of alien brutality with just a touch of refinement and played by someone with the skill of Bolaji Bodejo could be bone chilling on screen.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 15, 2015, 01:11:18 AM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 15, 2015, 01:11:18 AM
In my opinion I still stand by the idea that The Aliens have no one "homeworld", they just are waiting in the canyons and rocks and caves of multiple worlds for whatever reason, from contamination and to intentionally letting worlds thrive. Perhaps, if they thought they would be wiped out, the Engineers could have let the last batch of people they created become a Sufficiently Advanced Civilization and land on it, and take it home with them, and let it spread. Or maybe they're just there as worlds as crops fields, in a sense letting the evolution of these biomechanical beings take place while several generations of these human trials on many worlds the Engineers have seeded, so that after say, two (there can't have been more than four maybe five human cultures over several billion years), they re visit the world and see where they can improve, because of how these creatures are built to be robust survivors. Or there's just on there, for some other reason. Maybe a rock from space contained a spore, and impacted a barren world and a violent parasitic/sexual ecology blossomed from there, developing life that are so resistant to environmental conditions and each others nigh unstoppable predation, they could ravage any compatibly weak human world. Maybe there's so much pressure and environmental conditions on most that they go unexplored because of reasons not usually delved into by science fiction. Such as more restrictive gravity, pressure that would turn burst or implode any human vessel, acidic rain, volcanic activity, you get the idea.
I'd imagine these worlds not to be, say, biomechanoid oceans of Giger, but more,
I'd imagine these worlds not to be, say, biomechanoid oceans of Giger, but more,
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gate on Mar 15, 2015, 04:41:57 AM
Post by: Gate on Mar 15, 2015, 04:41:57 AM
Xenomorphs could also just be terraforming tools. Look at what they can thrive in. Imagine if there was an entire eco-system genetically engineered to co-exist with the Xenos and placed on specifically harsh planets to build it up and thrive for the Engineers.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 15, 2015, 05:22:54 AM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 15, 2015, 05:22:54 AM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 15, 2015, 01:11:18 AM
In my opinion I still stand by the idea that The Aliens have no one "homeworld", they just are waiting in the canyons and rocks and caves of multiple worlds for whatever reason, from contamination and to intentionally letting worlds thrive. Perhaps, if they thought they would be wiped out, the Engineers could have let the last batch of people they created become a Sufficiently Advanced Civilization and land on it, and take it home with them, and let it spread. Or maybe they're just there as worlds as crops fields, in a sense letting the evolution of these biomechanical beings take place while several generations of these human trials on many worlds the Engineers have seeded, so that after say, two (there can't have been more than four maybe five human cultures over several billion years), they re visit the world and see where they can improve, because of how these creatures are built to be robust survivors. Or there's just on there, for some other reason. Maybe a rock from space contained a spore, and impacted a barren world and a violent parasitic/sexual ecology blossomed from there, developing life that are so resistant to environmental conditions and each others nigh unstoppable predation, they could ravage any compatibly weak human world. Maybe there's so much pressure and environmental conditions on most that they go unexplored because of reasons not usually delved into by science fiction. Such as more restrictive gravity, pressure that would turn burst or implode any human vessel, acidic rain, volcanic activity, you get the idea.
I'd imagine these worlds not to be, say, biomechanoid oceans of Giger, but more,
I really like some of these ideas, especially the concept of multiple human races (I'm actually experimenting with this idea in a story that I am writing). The Engineers could indeed have seeded multiple worlds with their DNA to create distinct species, with humans possibly being the most successful. There are three other interesting theories that I have. One is that humans were created as a last ditch effort to save their line before they went extinct. As we know from both Alien and Prometheus, the Engineers' control over their bioweapons was shaky at best, and it is possible that at the time of the creation of mankind that they were going extinct due to a major war or some other calamity concerning their weapons, and that humans were created so that their race was not completely obliterated. Another theory is that while we see the Engineers as the masters of their creations, they might in fact be the slaves. If xenomorphs are indeed the tip of the iceberg of some inconceivable, monolithic, godlike monstrosity, it is possible that this thing was using the Engineers to further its spread through the creation of bioweapons which might in fact not be bioweapons but carefully crafted vessels for spreading this super species. If this is the case, the Engineers might have looked more human in the past but were warped by their master's influence and were gradually losing their humanity. The creation of humans might have been one last act of rebellion before they succumbed, and an effort to keep their people alive in a pure and uncorrupted state. They might have in fact hoped that one day the humans would come back and destroy the abomination that enslaved their people. The Engineer at the end of Prometheus might not have been doing his own desires but may have been completely enslaved to a higher power that saw humans as a threat that needed to be eliminated (which would be completely in line with the series as that's how xenomorphs view all beings that aren't themselves). A third theory is that the creation of humanity might have been done by a group of schismatics who committed heresy by creating an identical species. The scene at the beginning of Prometheus seemed much more like a religious ceremony than a scientific experiment. Also, this might explain the reason for the final Engineer's desire to destroy the human race, as he might have seen the existence of humans as an unacceptable blasphemy.
In terms of your idea about the evolution of aliens, it is an interesting one, and if true, it might mean that there are other, similar xenomorph-like species scattered around the galaxy. And I do like the desolate design you picked for the world, as it would be the perfect place for a species as tough and nasty as the xenomorphs to have evolved. The Giger environment would probably be more fitting to the Engineer homeworld (especially if their society had been wrecked/enslaved by their 'weapons'). If, however, the xenomorphs are part of a larger, techno-organic virus of some kind, the Giger landscapes could be the final evolution. I mentioned before that the alien hives we see could simply be a starting point for something larger. Maybe, after a period of time, the queen lays a special egg that gives birth to a singular, more advanced being that begins to rework the hive into a more technological environment as we see in Giger's paintings and in the interior designs of the juggernauts and Engineer temples. I personally think that the idea of the alien reproducing only once is a fascinating one, especially the idea originally put forth by Ridley that the succeeding creatures would be much less animalistic than the original one. With each succeeding generation, these hyper evolved aliens could further build on the hive until it reached a state of perceived perfection, and then waited for an opportunity to spread.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 05:50:19 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 05:50:19 AM
Sooo, Stargate, basically.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 15, 2015, 05:53:19 AM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 15, 2015, 05:53:19 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 05:50:19 AM
Sooo, Stargate, basically.
Well, ideally, humans on Earth would be the only successful seeded race while all others would have degenerated somehow. Also, I don't see how the idea of the evolving xenomorphs has anything to do with Stargate.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 05:58:12 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 05:58:12 AM
The seeded humans, humans being special to some overlord alien race, etc. parts.
The thing I hate most about Prometheus in terms of what it "did" to the franchise is made humans anything special. The universe of Alien was conceived as vast and desolate. Now basically all life in this universe heavily involves us and it was hardly a coincidence we managed to find anything.
The thing I hate most about Prometheus in terms of what it "did" to the franchise is made humans anything special. The universe of Alien was conceived as vast and desolate. Now basically all life in this universe heavily involves us and it was hardly a coincidence we managed to find anything.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 15, 2015, 06:09:27 AM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 15, 2015, 06:09:27 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 05:58:12 AM
The seeded humans, humans being special to some overlord alien race, etc. parts.
The thing I hate most about Prometheus in terms of what it "did" to the franchise is made humans anything special. The universe of Alien was conceived as vast and desolate. Now basically all life in this universe heavily involves us and it was hardly a coincidence we managed to find anything.
Maybe humans are just one species that's being manipulated, and that we're just a tiny, tiny cog in something much larger than ourselves. The xenomorph ability to adopt some of the traits of its host could hint at deep, sustained interactions with possibly a countless amount of species over a protracted period of time. I mentioned in another post that this master thing, whatever it was, would not be something anything remotely conceivable to the human mind (allowing it to stay 'alien') and that it would not spread through space ships and invasions but through a gradual, random expansion across the universe over a period of hundreds of millions of years. This would make it even more sinister as there would be no pattern that anyone could detect; it would be this slow-moving, inexorable plague that gradually spread across the universe, annihilating whole civilizations with no one the wiser.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 06:19:23 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 06:19:23 AM
I'd rather there be no galactic machinations to be a cog in.
But to each their own.
But to each their own.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 15, 2015, 06:39:34 AM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 15, 2015, 06:39:34 AM
Again, it wouldn't be some master plan that humans could understand, and it might not even be coordinated at all (again, this would take place over hundreds of millions of years over vast expanses of space). It's not like Ripley, Hicks and Newt would ever find themselves tied up in a room with some cackling alien telling them all about some plot to conquer the universe. Rather, the aliens could be one filament in the sinews of the fingers that reach out from the blackest core of the universe. Indeed, it could be the very embodiment the most primal aspects of the universe, which is really just spectacular violence and chaos melded with spectacular beauty. The 'Alien' might not necessarily refer to an individual xenomorph but rather to this utterly inconceivable void of anti-sentience whose ways simply cannot and will not ever be understood by humans, or any life form period. It would be anti-life, anti-conscience, anti-reason and anti-plan. It would be and it would not be. It would be Alien.
There's a favorite artist of mine by the name of Brian Smith whose art partially captures the essence of what I'm trying to get at:
This one could definitely be retooled towards a xenomorph-based theme:
There's a favorite artist of mine by the name of Brian Smith whose art partially captures the essence of what I'm trying to get at:
This one could definitely be retooled towards a xenomorph-based theme:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 06:52:34 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 06:52:34 AM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 15, 2015, 06:39:34 AMThat kind of thing is exaaaactly what I'm against.
Rather, the aliens could be one filament in the sinews of the fingers that reach out from the blackest core of the universe.
I'm cool with Lovecraftian horrors, I just kind of liked that the Alien universe was big, dead and empty.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 15, 2015, 07:16:45 AM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 15, 2015, 07:16:45 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 06:52:34 AMQuote from: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 15, 2015, 06:39:34 AMThat kind of thing is exaaaactly what I'm against.
Rather, the aliens could be one filament in the sinews of the fingers that reach out from the blackest core of the universe.
I'm cool with Lovecraftian horrors, I just kind of liked that the Alien universe was big, dead and empty.
But we know now that it's not big, dead and empty, even with the predators now removed from continuity. Even from the very beginning of the series, there were hints of something larger at work, with the presence of the Derelict and Space Jockey. While it was postulated that they were hundreds if not thousands of years old, I don't think that that was ever officially confirmed. Now with the Prometheus series and the likelihood of more revelations about the Engineers, why not make something incredibly terrifying and awe-inspiring that pays tribute to the visions which Giger tried to suppress with opium, instead of just albino Buddha fascists who probably don't have the equivalent of the Geneva Conventions? The cat's out of the bag, let's make it a truly epic cat to remember.
And even if Prometheus had never happened, with the exception of Isolation, the Alien series has been going down the drain for years with poor crossover films, repetitious AVP games and the debacle of Colonial Marines. Heck, the best thing to come out during that time were excellent action figures. While I'm not pointing figures at anyone on this board, there are a large number of fans who, if they had their way, would have the series be nothing but 'bug hunts' featuring marines who yelled "Stay frosty!" every ten seconds. The last serious attempt to create something that paid tribute to the vision of the original film was Alien 3, and we all know how flawed that was. Resurrection had its moments but it was just too goofy and flat. Since the mid-90s, Aliens has been predominantly about explosions and guys with big guns; completely the opposite of what was originally intended. The first AVP computer game partially succeeded in bringing back that claustrophobic atmosphere but by and large, it was more of the same. The Alien series needs to go in another, possibly radical direction; the last twenty years are what's the problem, not Prometheus.
Alien desperately needs a major shake up in order to stay fresh and Isolation only begins to correct the problem. I'm not saying that my idea has to be accepted but there needs to be something to reinvigorate the series and bring back the original theme. Despite all its flaws, I applaud Ridley Scott for creating something totally unique. The Alien universe was honestly never a truly dead place and it's just become more crowded in recent years. Better to have a nihilistic Lovecraftian vision than something like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32SXdn2slbY) which I can easily see Fox lapsing back into.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 07:25:52 AM
Post by: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 07:25:52 AM
The space Jockey was long dead. Whatever had happened, happened long ago. They didn't find a thriving alien civilisation, they found one lonely, crashed ship in the middle of nowhere.
Scott didn't give us something unique. He gave us Ancient Astronauts. That idea is so old and used it's not funny. All he did was let it be shoehorned in where it had no place to be.
Scott didn't give us something unique. He gave us Ancient Astronauts. That idea is so old and used it's not funny. All he did was let it be shoehorned in where it had no place to be.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 15, 2015, 08:02:04 AM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 15, 2015, 08:02:04 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 07:25:52 AM
The space Jockey was long dead. Whatever had happened, happened long ago. They didn't find a thriving alien civilisation, they found one lonely, crashed ship in the middle of nowhere.
Scott didn't give us something unique. He gave us Ancient Astronauts. That idea is so old and used it's not funny. All he did was let it be shoehorned in where it had no place to be.
Have you ever heard of Death of the Author? It's a great idea, helps with blank slate worlds, for you to build, when the desire is for you to build. It is arguable that the above is more tried and tripe than the bottom. You might as well leave it as Roswell in Space.
I'm also with you, leaving space dead and empty. I am totally with you. 100%. My idea, is that all what I was implying happened long long ago. There are no more people anywhere other than Earth and its colonies. Its desolate. Everything died. But the point being, the galaxy, maybe even the universe, is surrounded by potential hazards that remain from that time. The Aliens being one of them. From microscopic to human sized or maybe a bit larger. And there's other non-sentient average ordinary life disconnected mostly from this.
But, the point being, it's mostly empty aside from endless danger. Which is, really, what space is in reality. The dangers we have to face in the Real World, are just things like radiation, time, zero g, and mostly inhospitable planets that would crush our most over designed space suits.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 15, 2015, 08:13:47 AM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 15, 2015, 08:13:47 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 06:52:34 AM
I'm cool with Lovecraftian horrors, I just kind of liked that the Alien universe was big, dead and empty.
We need to go back to this.. But we won't, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 15, 2015, 12:08:40 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 15, 2015, 12:08:40 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 15, 2015, 08:13:47 AM
We need to go back to this.. But we won't, unfortunately.
Unfortunately not, indeed. Everything has to be related and interconnect and we have to see all the continuity of events.
No mystery. No deep voids of emptiness. It's a crowded narrative sky.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 15, 2015, 02:11:47 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on Mar 15, 2015, 02:11:47 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 07:25:52 AMNailed it.
Scott didn't give us something unique. He gave us Ancient Astronauts. That idea is so old and used it's not funny. All he did was let it be shoehorned in where it had no place to be.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 15, 2015, 05:17:30 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 15, 2015, 05:17:30 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 06:52:34 AM
I just kind of liked that the Alien universe was big, dead and empty.
Could still be the case.
So far humans have only found left overs from things that existed long before.
As far as we know Earth is the only place in the universe which houses millions of diverse species and out there in space are just scattered locations of abandoned Engineer/jockey technology and the alien.
That idea is what I love. It's us, the engineers and the alien. Nothing else.
The ultimate fear is that we're alone.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Mar 15, 2015, 06:07:39 PM
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Mar 15, 2015, 06:07:39 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 15, 2015, 05:17:30 PMQuote from: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 06:52:34 AM
I just kind of liked that the Alien universe was big, dead and empty.
Could still be the case.
So far humans have only found left overs from things that existed long before.
As far as we know Earth is the only place in the universe which houses millions of diverse species and out there in space are just scattered locations of abandoned Engineer/jockey technology and the alien.
That idea is what I love. It's us, the engineers and the alien. Nothing else.
The ultimate fear is that we're alone.
I always thought that the reason the universe was so dark and empty was because of the Alien, whatever other life and civilization had been out there had been destroyed. Hence why the "Aliens on Earth: scenario was such a terrifying prospect (and f*ck AvP eternally f**k messing that up).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 15, 2015, 06:11:36 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 15, 2015, 06:11:36 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 15, 2015, 05:17:30 PMQuote from: SiL on Mar 15, 2015, 06:52:34 AM
I just kind of liked that the Alien universe was big, dead and empty.
Could still be the case.
So far humans have only found left overs from things that existed long before.
As far as we know Earth is the only place in the universe which houses millions of diverse species and out there in space are just scattered locations of abandoned Engineer/jockey technology and the alien.
That idea is what I love. It's us, the engineers and the alien. Nothing else.
The ultimate fear is that we're alone.
I like the idea that we're alone (with the Alien).
The Engineers are our predecessors. That was always the case on some level (and in fact was the point of including the derelict in Alien) but is now very literal. Although placing them as being active as recently as two millennia ago isn't to my taste, I don't hate the ancient aliens thing on principle and I can handle them not just being the guys who got wiped out by the Alien before us but also our creators - I still like them best as an extinct race though, and any ones surviving in stasis should be super rare.
The Alien, as I see it, is rogue genetic material with a "sentience" (but not sapience) handed down through generational memory (possibly in a literal sense, see A:R). It's the Lovecraftian crawling chaos that could be in any dark corner of space, just waiting. I'm very much a fan of the concept that outbreaks of the Alien as we know it burn out fairly quickly as they deplete hosts, but that through some sort of handwavium, eggs can survive indefinitely. So there's eggs, Engineer ruins containing modified strains or other applications of the Alien genetics, and who knows what else, scattered throughout space.
Which leads to us, alone in the dark with the Alien, which is just silently waiting out there amongst the stars.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 15, 2015, 07:55:28 PM
Post by: RakaiThwei on Mar 15, 2015, 07:55:28 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 15, 2015, 12:08:40 PM
Unfortunately not, indeed. Everything has to be related and interconnect and we have to see all the continuity of events.
No mystery. No deep voids of emptiness. It's a crowded narrative sky.
Not sure if sarcastic or genuinely agreeing.
In either case... Prometheus did something to the Alien franchise, and that something was at the cost of expansion. Let me say that I am more of a Predator fan, and an AvP fan than strictly Alien-- but this is something I happened to notice. Prometheus, with the introduction (or re-introduction) of the Engineers dethroned the Alien as the main villain. For well over thirty years, the Alien was the main villain of the story and characters had to find ways to beat this unstoppable horror. Now... it's been reduced to being nothing more than a genetic f**k up by-product (assuming that is the case) where as the Engineers are the main villain and for all intents and purposes, the Masters of the Universe (No, not He-Man). And quite frankly.. that cost for the sake of expansion was a price too steep. One of the most iconic extraterrestrial threats.. now made an insectoid by-product f**k up.
But what really gets me, is that now the Engineers are being shoe-horned into the Predator and AVP franchises. Personally, I want Handsome Squidward to stay out of those two universes. But alas, it seems as if they are here to stay and dethrone the original antagonists and have them rendered being to second flute.. Which if you ask me, isn't really fair.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 15, 2015, 07:58:12 PM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 15, 2015, 07:58:12 PM
I can accept the idea that we are alone with the aliens and maybe some remnant of the Engineers. What I really don't want to accept is that the xenomorph social organization is frozen at the level of the hive. By making them little more than giant space bees, alot of what makes them truly alien is removed, as they are simply a larger variant of the ants that you see in your backyard everyday (and ants can be just as ruthless as how xenomorphs are portrayed). The egg morphing idea in the first film (and which was planned in the third) is far more unique and somewhat makes the aliens scarier as there would be fewer numbers of them, forcing them to become craftier and act in a more intelligent manner. However excellent Aliens was, the 'locust swarm' model that we saw was just not as terrifying as what the first film gave us. Now I can accept it as one variant of xenomorphs, but Ridley Scott had a far more profound vision with his concept of the alien reproducing once in its life and each succeeding generation being more advanced than the last. Now that is something truly alien and which could theoretically lead to a creature that could do far more than just cut the power. Don't get me wrong, I don't want some uber-beast with ridiculous powers but if you look at some of the Giger's art, there are hints at designs of creatures that are just as alien and amoral as what we've seen in the movies but which seem to be far more sophisticated. You don't need all of the techno hives and such that I mentioned, just a singular being that is as far removed from humanity as possible, yet in its own inconceivable manner makes Stephen Hawking look like brain dead slug.
I can see where you're coming from, though I think that the Engineers have too much potential to simply be a legacy species. Instead, why not make them, as I postulated earlier, the slaves of their weapons? Have their homeworld be utterly transformed into a Giger-like mess with Shaw and David having to ensure that it never spreads (though David's loyalty is quite suspect at this point). If Prometheus became a trilogy or longer, a central theme could be the very essence of what it means to be human vs. the very essence of what it means to be alien. As Ridley himself has said, the series will be increasingly removed from the traditional Alien series, so the sky is the limit. It of course has to be mainstream and action packed enough for the audience to understand and enjoy what's happening, but why not turn this into a deep space psychological epic? In the end, the Engineers and everything else surrounding them could be destroyed (minus maybe a few remnants of them or their weapons escaping in the farthest ends of the universe), with the link to the Blomkamp's films that is being rumored being that, besides humans. the xenomorphs are the only notable legacy of the Engineers. It would be the ultimate tragedy and morality tale; the final legacy of a once great civilization who conquered the stars and who created humanity being the unleashing of an alien species that only lives for destruction.
I like this idea, especially the concept of generational memory (though this should be used with care). And who says that only eggs can survive for a long period of time? The xenomorph's bony structure could mean that they are far more efficient when it comes to taking in nutrients and can possible survive for periods of time possibly as long as the eggs (Ridley's idea ironically was the opposite; that the alien would die only a couple of days after being born, as its adulthood was not much longer than its childhood, and that it was 'perpetually dying'). And I do also like the idea of other strains being present, maybe some far more inconceivable than what we've already seen.
On the point of humans being alone with the aliens, we actually know that this is not true. If it was, Hudson would not have flippantly referred to 'bug hunts' in the second movie. Granted, it is heavily suggested that none of those other species come close to xenomorphs in terms of how dangerous they are. What these things are, we may never know, and I don't want the Alien universe to become a zoo (ideally, any other aliens we find might be mundane so as to not take the spotlight from the xenomorphs). Yet as I said before, the alien ability to mimic the physical characteristics of a host hints at the fact that aliens have been interacting with diverse segments of the universe for long periods of time, quite possibly longer than humans have been around or maybe even the Earth itself, as such an advanced ability would take a tremendous amount of time to be perfected. Now maybe all these species are dead, who knows. It is a compelling concept to have the universe outside of Earth be one gigantic tomb scattered with hibernating alien eggs and other related monstrosities.
One thing I would like to see is a return of the original Alien catch phrase "A word of warning..." It's so subtle yet hints at something unbelievably dangerous:
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 15, 2015, 06:11:36 PM
I like the idea that we're alone (with the Alien).
The Engineers are our predecessors. That was always the case on some level (and in fact was the point of including the derelict in Alien) but is now very literal. Although placing them as being active as recently as two millennia ago isn't to my taste, I don't hate the ancient aliens thing on principle and I can handle them not just being the guys who got wiped out by the Alien before us but also our creators - I still like them best as an extinct race though, and any ones surviving in stasis should be super rare.
I can see where you're coming from, though I think that the Engineers have too much potential to simply be a legacy species. Instead, why not make them, as I postulated earlier, the slaves of their weapons? Have their homeworld be utterly transformed into a Giger-like mess with Shaw and David having to ensure that it never spreads (though David's loyalty is quite suspect at this point). If Prometheus became a trilogy or longer, a central theme could be the very essence of what it means to be human vs. the very essence of what it means to be alien. As Ridley himself has said, the series will be increasingly removed from the traditional Alien series, so the sky is the limit. It of course has to be mainstream and action packed enough for the audience to understand and enjoy what's happening, but why not turn this into a deep space psychological epic? In the end, the Engineers and everything else surrounding them could be destroyed (minus maybe a few remnants of them or their weapons escaping in the farthest ends of the universe), with the link to the Blomkamp's films that is being rumored being that, besides humans. the xenomorphs are the only notable legacy of the Engineers. It would be the ultimate tragedy and morality tale; the final legacy of a once great civilization who conquered the stars and who created humanity being the unleashing of an alien species that only lives for destruction.
QuoteThe Alien, as I see it, is rogue genetic material with a "sentience" (but not sapience) handed down through generational memory (possibly in a literal sense, see A:R). It's the Lovecraftian crawling chaos that could be in any dark corner of space, just waiting. I'm very much a fan of the concept that outbreaks of the Alien as we know it burn out fairly quickly as they deplete hosts, but that through some sort of handwavium, eggs can survive indefinitely. So there's eggs, Engineer ruins containing modified strains or other applications of the Alien genetics, and who knows what else, scattered throughout space.
Which leads to us, alone in the dark with the Alien, which is just silently waiting out there amongst the stars.
I like this idea, especially the concept of generational memory (though this should be used with care). And who says that only eggs can survive for a long period of time? The xenomorph's bony structure could mean that they are far more efficient when it comes to taking in nutrients and can possible survive for periods of time possibly as long as the eggs (Ridley's idea ironically was the opposite; that the alien would die only a couple of days after being born, as its adulthood was not much longer than its childhood, and that it was 'perpetually dying'). And I do also like the idea of other strains being present, maybe some far more inconceivable than what we've already seen.
On the point of humans being alone with the aliens, we actually know that this is not true. If it was, Hudson would not have flippantly referred to 'bug hunts' in the second movie. Granted, it is heavily suggested that none of those other species come close to xenomorphs in terms of how dangerous they are. What these things are, we may never know, and I don't want the Alien universe to become a zoo (ideally, any other aliens we find might be mundane so as to not take the spotlight from the xenomorphs). Yet as I said before, the alien ability to mimic the physical characteristics of a host hints at the fact that aliens have been interacting with diverse segments of the universe for long periods of time, quite possibly longer than humans have been around or maybe even the Earth itself, as such an advanced ability would take a tremendous amount of time to be perfected. Now maybe all these species are dead, who knows. It is a compelling concept to have the universe outside of Earth be one gigantic tomb scattered with hibernating alien eggs and other related monstrosities.
One thing I would like to see is a return of the original Alien catch phrase "A word of warning..." It's so subtle yet hints at something unbelievably dangerous:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 15, 2015, 08:02:17 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 15, 2015, 08:02:17 PM
I always took "bug hunt" to be military slang akin to snipe hunt, as in a mission with no purpose or action. As opposed to literal pest control.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 15, 2015, 08:12:49 PM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 15, 2015, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 15, 2015, 08:02:17 PM
I always took "bug hunt" to be military slang akin to snipe hunt, as in a mission with no purpose or action. As opposed to literal pest control.
He mentioned it right after Gorman said that "a xenomorph may be involved." You may be right or I may be, who knows.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 15, 2015, 09:32:18 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 15, 2015, 09:32:18 PM
That's what made me think that. The marines were so skeptical of an alien species being involved that they joked about it being a dud mission.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2015, 09:35:09 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2015, 09:35:09 PM
Yeah, nothing in Aliens ever gave me the impression that humanity at large had ever had contact with alien life forms before. Even the Arcturian comment; until recently realizing that some people view them as a humanoid (alien) race, I assumed they were just people living on another colony that the marines were making crude jokes about.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 15, 2015, 09:47:58 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 15, 2015, 09:47:58 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2015, 09:35:09 PM
Yeah, nothing in Aliens ever gave me the impression that humanity at large had ever had contact with alien life forms before. Even the Arcturian comment; until recently realizing that some people view them as a humanoid (alien) race, I assumed they were just people living on another colony that the marines were making crude jokes about.
See, but I'm pretty sure comments made in the production of Aliens said they have, you could assume spread from a irresponsible research facility on a life bearing world, that is composed of multiple life cycles. A "xenomorph". Something unseen on Earth. One organism, multiple expendable forms, separate larval, instar, immature, and mature forms, that are composed of separate forms. On the side of Marines' dropship, an eagle with boots is circled by the words "We endanger species". It's probably a serious rampant pest of some sort. These sorts of events aren't unknown on Earth. Plus if I remember correctly, in the crew timeline background they made in the production of Alien, the one that mentions the United Americas and the Third World Empire, it implied Kane once worked in an archaeological dig of a kind off world.
"
2112 (October 28)
Kane begins working on a UK/EU archeological dig on Konor Minor, co-supervising with Dr Elisabeth Monygham."
What you can imply from this is that perhaps after the events of Prometheus, ruins from a precursor civilization become popping up, but they're all dead. There's no real intelligent life aside from ourselves. There are other forms of life, but they're animals. There are rumors here and there about Space Urban Legends, as quoted from the actors about the production of Alien. That myths like UFOs, have parallels in that world, probably coming from whatever rumors about the ruins man has encountered like the one on Konor Minor.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 15, 2015, 10:00:06 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 15, 2015, 10:00:06 PM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 15, 2015, 09:47:58 PM
See, but I'm pretty sure comments made in the production of Aliens said they have, you could assume spread from a irresponsible research facility on a life bearing world, that is composed of multiple life cycles. A "xenomorph". Something unseen on Earth. One organism, multiple expendable forms, separate larval, instar, immature, and mature forms, that are composed of separate forms. On the side of Marines' dropship, an eagle with boots is circled by the words "We endanger species". It's probably a serious rampant pest of some sort. These sorts of events aren't unknown on Earth. Plus if I remember correctly, in the crew timeline background they made in the production of Alien, the one that mentions the United Americas and the Third World Empire, it implied Kane once worked in an archaeological dig of a kind off world.
How are you getting that from the generic term xenomorph?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 15, 2015, 10:08:24 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 15, 2015, 10:08:24 PM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 15, 2015, 10:00:06 PMQuote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 15, 2015, 09:47:58 PM
See, but I'm pretty sure comments made in the production of Aliens said they have, you could assume spread from a irresponsible research facility on a life bearing world, that is composed of multiple life cycles. A "xenomorph". Something unseen on Earth. One organism, multiple expendable forms, separate larval, instar, immature, and mature forms, that are composed of separate forms. On the side of Marines' dropship, an eagle with boots is circled by the words "We endanger species". It's probably a serious rampant pest of some sort. These sorts of events aren't unknown on Earth. Plus if I remember correctly, in the crew timeline background they made in the production of Alien, the one that mentions the United Americas and the Third World Empire, it implied Kane once worked in an archaeological dig of a kind off world.
How are you getting that from the generic term xenomorph?
Morph. Xeno. Xeno = Alien. Morph = one of a set of forms that a morpheme may take in different contexts, or commonly, just a synonym for changing. It's techno babble, and because it's technobabble, it's probably easily interpretable, and knowing James Cameron, he probably thought of how the Alien lifecycle exists within nature (because he did actually consider it and that's how he brought about the Queen) as there is nothing like it on Earth.It's an assumption, but it's in part from evidence, including, "We endanger species".
Also, according to the Weyland Industries website and a deleted scene from Prometheus, most forms of life discovered at that point are micro-organisms. Further, from the site, most are quarantined, because contaminating a life bearing world with Earth organisms has historically, been considered, and across the board, its agreed one could very possible wipe out the other if it's a small population of life. Or, it could cause serious infection in multicellular organisms. Everything has to be clean. If life was encountered, this would be taken into consideration. Nobody would go out to a world and decide to shoot Extraterrestrial life.
So, putting it altogether, it seems possible that Marines are occasionally called in to deal with a pest species of "bug" like organisms that could endanger the health and safety of colonists, but is capable of breathing our air. Gorman said "xenomorph" probably, in this context, and assumed, that's what it was. Again evidence "Bug Hunt" and the side of the dropship "We endanger species" decal.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 15, 2015, 10:25:39 PM
Post by: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 15, 2015, 10:25:39 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 15, 2015, 09:35:09 PM
I assumed they were just people living on another colony that the marines were making crude jokes about.
That's been my impression the whole time. Arcturia was a colony/station that they and other ships docked at, that maybe had some bars with cheap grub and a somewhat-known community of prostitutes that were happy to service crewpeople on passing military ships. :p
I think any EU book that describes them otherwise is just taking their (The crew of the Sulaco's)comments a bit too literally if they describe them as being aliens. This isn't Star Trek people!
More likely than not, they're just really skilled androgynous prostitutes.
Also this article from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakla)
Yes, I did all that because of your Arcturian comment. :p I think things over way too much.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Mar 16, 2015, 04:25:15 PM
Post by: Russ on Mar 16, 2015, 04:25:15 PM
Acturian Ladyboys. That's a good name for a band, actually.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 16, 2015, 04:50:11 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 16, 2015, 04:50:11 PM
Quote from: Russ on Mar 16, 2015, 04:25:15 PM
Acturian Ladyboys. That's a good name for a band, actually.
I bet their cover of The Crying Game is amazing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 17, 2015, 01:02:02 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 17, 2015, 01:02:02 PM
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 15, 2015, 10:25:39 PM
More likely than not, they're just really skilled androgynous prostitutes.
Incidentally I remember someone wrote a fan fiction years ago entitled "Hudson's Tale" that featured Hudson having a run in with an Arcturian. Turns out their space trannys. Oh, and he's gay with Hicks. Yeaahh...
...I don't think the Arcturians should feature in Alien 5. Unless Copley is gonna play one.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 17, 2015, 01:52:14 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 17, 2015, 01:52:14 PM
The latest books have them as alien species that significantly increased human technology. I believe they're supposed to have a more important role in the newer books coming out.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 17, 2015, 02:25:51 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 17, 2015, 02:25:51 PM
Arcturian poontang was basically just another Vietnam war analogue/homage. The Thai-ladybois were a product of Thailand's burgeoning prostitution industry in the 60's and 70's. A lot of GI's got conned and it was common for soldiers to rib each other when that happened.
I think it's really silly for the new books to make them out to be something they were obviously not.
I think it's really silly for the new books to make them out to be something they were obviously not.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 17, 2015, 02:28:23 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 17, 2015, 02:28:23 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 17, 2015, 02:25:51 PM
Arcturian poontang was basically just another Vietnam war analogue/homage. The Thai-ladybois were a product of Thailand's burgeoning prostitution industry in the 60's and 70's. A lot of GI's got conned and it was common for soldiers to rib each other when that happened.
I think it's really silly for the new books to make them out to be something they were obviously not.
Indeed it was. However, the new books wouldn't be the only thing to do that. IIRC the old Aliens RPG did the same? And I'm sure this has been argued to death since the old days of the email groups.
I'd prefer it to be some other species. To widen the universe.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 17, 2015, 02:44:52 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 17, 2015, 02:44:52 PM
Yeah, I've read gazillions of threads about the Arcturian issue. :laugh:
But personally I prefer if they kept the realistic hard-edged feel of the Alien universe. The chance of humans encountering intelligent humanoid alien life within the next hundred to two hundred years is extremely slim even with FTL capability.
It also makes the discovery of the Space Jockey in Alien so much more awe-inspiring.
But personally I prefer if they kept the realistic hard-edged feel of the Alien universe. The chance of humans encountering intelligent humanoid alien life within the next hundred to two hundred years is extremely slim even with FTL capability.
It also makes the discovery of the Space Jockey in Alien so much more awe-inspiring.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 17, 2015, 03:55:28 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 17, 2015, 03:55:28 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 17, 2015, 01:02:02 PM
...I don't think the Arcturians should feature in Alien 5. Unless Copley is gonna play one.
Or Yolandi. :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 17, 2015, 03:58:32 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 17, 2015, 03:58:32 PM
She would be pretty amazing. Especially with those black eyes from Ugly Boy. She looks so otherwordly but yet human that it just really freaks me out.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 17, 2015, 04:00:49 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 17, 2015, 04:00:49 PM
And then Ninja walks in as a marine. "You said you were female!"
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 17, 2015, 04:01:03 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 17, 2015, 04:01:03 PM
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 17, 2015, 04:02:04 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 17, 2015, 04:02:04 PM
If anything, if we're going to talk about "Arcturian Poontang", it should be addressed that in the year 2179, people are still f**ked up enough to dominate, probably a smaller community deciding to revolt against corporate interest, to send out marines, who are at that point, basically corporate security to keep the endless flow of cash and exploitation and lack of education going, in an endless expanse of depression. Transgender colonists, or colonists who are forced into acting as transgender, usually under age from the years of 15-18 for the pleasure of marines, is hardly a joke. The entire thing is depressing and f**ked. The fact people in the armed services used to joke about teenagers they f**ked and reducing them to "you f**ked a trap" is pretty sickening actually. Or how many teenagers in Vietnam were trafficked, beaten, etc.
All of this, surprisingly, fits in how terrible the world of Alien is, so good on James Cameron.
All of this, surprisingly, fits in how terrible the world of Alien is, so good on James Cameron.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 17, 2015, 04:02:45 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 17, 2015, 04:02:45 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 17, 2015, 04:01:03 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m56x3dengZ1qb7bvmo1_500.gif
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 17, 2015, 04:05:27 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 17, 2015, 04:05:27 PM
If you can't be with the one you love...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 17, 2015, 04:09:33 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Mar 17, 2015, 04:09:33 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 17, 2015, 04:05:27 PM
If you can't be with the one you love...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 17, 2015, 04:10:25 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 17, 2015, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 17, 2015, 04:05:27 PM
If you can't be with the one you love...
f**k the 15 year old prostitute who probably gets beaten for not putting out well enough because they have to f**k for money for some pimp who can take advantage of it because poverty is devastating and people took the first opportunity to exploit children for fast cash? That this existence of misery and trauma is thrust upon their development as children that will leave them permanently scarred?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 17, 2015, 04:12:20 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 17, 2015, 04:12:20 PM
That depends entirely on the actual intention of that singular phrase. I really don't expect that was what Jim Cameron intended. And the ambiguity of it is quite obvious as this discussion is still being had.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 17, 2015, 04:35:45 PM
Post by: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 17, 2015, 04:35:45 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 17, 2015, 02:28:23 PMI'd prefer it to be some other species. To widen the universe.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 17, 2015, 02:28:23 PM
To widen the universe
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger
http://media.giphy.com/media/11aitZSSRhHYuQ/giphy.gif (http://media.giphy.com/media/11aitZSSRhHYuQ/giphy.gif)
You guys are silly billies.
QuoteTransgender colonists, or colonists who are forced into acting as transgender, usually under age from the years of 15-18 for the pleasure of marines, is hardly a joke. The entire thing is depressing and f**ked.
QuoteBut personally I prefer if they kept the realistic hard-edged feel of the Alien universe. The chance of humans encountering intelligent humanoid alien life within the next hundred to two hundred years is extremely slim even with FTL capability.
It also makes the discovery of the Space Jockey in Alien so much more awe-inspiring.
^ ^
This, not only does this explanation fit more with the universe but it doesn't conflict tonally with the depressing-ass hard-edge world that they're trying to create.
Also, remember when the Space Jockey was just a really cool-looking plot device that foreshadowed what would happen to the crew of the Nostromo? :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 17, 2015, 04:47:49 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 17, 2015, 04:47:49 PM
That's not the feeling I get from Alien. It feels to me like whilst not exactly common-place, it's still pretty important. It's one of the things I do really like about River of Pain. The awe-inspiring part of the Jockey is truly how alien that design is and that creature is.
Just opinions and all that.
Just opinions and all that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 17, 2015, 04:50:14 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 17, 2015, 04:50:14 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 17, 2015, 04:12:20 PM
That depends entirely on the actual intention of that singular phrase. I really don't expect that was what Jim Cameron intended. And the ambiguity of it is quite obvious as this discussion is still being had.
I think, it was meant to allude to something along those lines. What I just found in bad taste was just the joking about a really terrible point in time for the lives of lots of underage teenagers in Vietnam.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 17, 2015, 05:34:07 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 17, 2015, 05:34:07 PM
Not all Thai prostitutes were underage or doing it against their will. Also keep in mind that Aliens was made during the mid-eighties, a different era before political correctness became the buzz word. I don't think the Cameron of today would have done it, but back then - certainly.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 17, 2015, 05:59:00 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 17, 2015, 05:59:00 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 17, 2015, 05:34:07 PM
Not all Thai prostitutes were underage or doing it against their will. Also keep in mind that Aliens was made during the mid-eighties, a different era before political correctness became the buzz word. I don't think the Cameron of today would have done it, but back then - certainly.
I think a majority of prostitutes in the Vietnam War were A) not treated with respect B) possibly underage C) all of it wasn't great at all. Sexual trauma is hardly good, if you can imagine the soldiers getting PTSD from war, well, there you go, you can get PTSD from every single thing those women and girls and boys endured as well. Suicide was probable. It's just such a shitty thing to joke about for the same entire reason it's shitty to openly go up to a Vet and say all the men he saw mangled by mines and strewn across fields of blood, with orange clouds of defoliant spreading past the treeline, and the distant sounds of gunfire, deserved to die and were pigs. Those people endured sexual violence, and very possibly beatings from xenophobic soldiers who would go another hour saying "All asians look the same as a matter of fact all asian pussy looks the same" or maybe traumatized drafted average people broken by what they saw and just used prostitutes as a way to release their pent up tension and energy, slamming them against the wall and slapping them. You could make a terrible person in war, good people can change into things they never thought possible, and might regret for the rest of their life, and the victims never get their stories told.
Saying jokes about the entire subject aren't politically correct is such crap. Because, if we can all put it towards uptight leftists who can't take a joke, what can be said if it affects the psyche of a vietnam vet listening in on that joke, or maybe a family member who knew someone who lived in Vietnam and never saw them again. How does comedy hold accountability for the subtext of jokes that furthers the ideas fully present in the time of the era said joke is about, that were used to distance from the acts done. Also it's just a matter of decency.
If explored in a context of how f**ked up it is, I'm all for it. Jokes about the violence of forced sex in war are not. As a matter of fact, there's reason we are capable of making jokes about the distant Vietnamese prostitutes, but not 240,000 German women raped by red infantry in World War II. Make a joke about the latter, a line is crossed, yet the former, you can get away with among friends.
Jokes about war by people who weren't there are just not fun for anyone, it's not a great thing to talk about.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 17, 2015, 08:20:53 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 17, 2015, 08:20:53 PM
For the record, I'd always assumed "Arcturia" was a pleasure world/city/space station/whatever, and the prostitutes in question are synthetics.
Although, I also remember a popular theory about them being maggot like creatures that humans have taken to raping. :/
Although, I also remember a popular theory about them being maggot like creatures that humans have taken to raping. :/
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 17, 2015, 11:04:57 PM
Post by: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 17, 2015, 11:04:57 PM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 17, 2015, 08:20:53 PMThat's an interesting theory, it's one that probably would make sense, given synthetics being manufactored by competing companies and being developed at a more rapid rate probably by the time Aliens took place.
For the record, I'd always assumed "Arcturia" was a pleasure world/city/space station/whatever, and the prostitutes in question are synthetics.
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 17, 2015, 08:20:53 PM
Although, I also remember a popular theory about them being maggot like creatures that humans have taken to raping. :/
Thanks for putting that in my head.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Mar 18, 2015, 12:52:12 AM
Post by: T Dog on Mar 18, 2015, 12:52:12 AM
just watched Elysium again.
He should cast Alice Braga again so that she can be a survivor of both a Predator and Alien.
He should cast Alice Braga again so that she can be a survivor of both a Predator and Alien.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Space Invader on Mar 18, 2015, 02:25:08 AM
Post by: Space Invader on Mar 18, 2015, 02:25:08 AM
I think there should be one (or two) new protagonists, Ripley and Hicks could be secondary characters.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 18, 2015, 08:26:20 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 18, 2015, 08:26:20 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 18, 2015, 12:52:12 AMHe should cast Alice Braga again so that she can be a survivor of both a Predator and Alien.
Then all she needs to do is survive a Terminator sequel and she'll be the new, inverse Bill Paxton.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 18, 2015, 09:06:40 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 18, 2015, 09:06:40 PM
So looks like shooting for Alien 5 will be taking place in August with Michael Biehn confirming he is in. Moving forward quickly.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 18, 2015, 10:03:05 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 18, 2015, 10:03:05 PM
Source?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 18, 2015, 10:04:58 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 18, 2015, 10:04:58 PM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 18, 2015, 10:03:05 PM
Source?
Oh yeah. Naturally I put the link in the thread about Alien 5 rumors and facts where it belongs.
Here it is...
http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/michael-biehn-confirms-appearance-neill-blomkamps-alien-shooting-august/ (http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/michael-biehn-confirms-appearance-neill-blomkamps-alien-shooting-august/)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 18, 2015, 10:23:07 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 18, 2015, 10:23:07 PM
I'm sure Biehn is ecstatic.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 18, 2015, 10:34:31 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 18, 2015, 10:34:31 PM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 18, 2015, 10:23:07 PM
I'm sure Biehn is ecstatic.
Can you imagine? I think his character getting killed in Alien 3 literally broke his heart and embittered him. Now 30 years later to get another chance at something like that has to be mind-blowing. I wish him all the best.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 18, 2015, 11:42:58 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 18, 2015, 11:42:58 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 18, 2015, 10:04:58 PM
http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/michael-biehn-confirms-appearance-neill-blomkamps-alien-shooting-august/ (http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/michael-biehn-confirms-appearance-neill-blomkamps-alien-shooting-august/)
Thanks
*edit*
Lol, I don't think I'd realised there was a separate forum for this film now, was just watching this thread in the Show New Replies tracker
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 19, 2015, 04:40:42 AM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 19, 2015, 04:40:42 AM
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 19, 2015, 05:22:00 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 19, 2015, 05:22:00 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 19, 2015, 04:40:42 AM
https://38.media.tumblr.com/9761a4396b0f00407b862cffee9be8bb/tumblr_n7hgxs1O0p1tamedoo1_500.gif
Let's just hope not to similar results. :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2015, 09:26:06 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2015, 09:26:06 AM
Looks like it's confirmed as a retcon then. Too bad for those peeps who insisted we didn't have enough info lol, this was obvious from day 1
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 19, 2015, 10:20:37 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 19, 2015, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 19, 2015, 09:26:06 AMLooks like it's confirmed as a retcon
At the risk of pointing out the totally obvious, nowhere does anything confirm a retcon. Assuming this instagram account is legit, all it confirms is that Biehn is in the film.
And it's not about not having enough info, it's about wanting it from an official source. Which still hasn't happened.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2015, 10:26:08 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2015, 10:26:08 AM
Yeah, could just be some arse trollin' everyone.
If it's legit though, I'd like to hear how you think an Alien film with Michael Biehn in it isn't a retcon. Seriously, explain yourself.
If it's legit though, I'd like to hear how you think an Alien film with Michael Biehn in it isn't a retcon. Seriously, explain yourself.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 19, 2015, 10:26:59 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 19, 2015, 10:26:59 AM
If it's true I'll go down with my ship.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2015, 10:28:58 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2015, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 19, 2015, 05:22:00 AMQuote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 19, 2015, 04:40:42 AM
https://38.media.tumblr.com/9761a4396b0f00407b862cffee9be8bb/tumblr_n7hgxs1O0p1tamedoo1_500.gif
Let's just hope not to similar results. :)
Lol except Prometheus was actually a decent movie. This is guaranteed dogshit, don't even need to see the script or a synopsis.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 19, 2015, 10:34:13 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 19, 2015, 10:34:13 AM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 19, 2015, 10:26:08 AMIf it's legit though, I'd like to hear how you think an Alien film with Michael Biehn in it isn't a retcon. Seriously, explain yourself.
They could shoehorn it in between two and three. He could be a clone or a droid. Or he could simply appear in a dream sequence. I'm aware they're all really, really shit ideas (except possibly the last one), but who knows what they're planning to do with the new film? I get the impression Fox may not even be too sure themselves.
Now, I completely agree a retcon looks like the most probable outcome at this point. But until someone announces that officially (which, so far, they have not), I shall continue to be dubious.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2015, 10:36:54 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2015, 10:36:54 AM
"Just because the water is up to my knees, doesn't mean there's a flood. Let's wait and see, guys."
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 19, 2015, 10:38:50 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 19, 2015, 10:38:50 AM
You say that as if Blomkamp hasn't specifically said he doesn't want to undo the third and fourth films, which considerably muddies the waters.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2015, 10:41:03 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2015, 10:41:03 AM
$5 on Paypal says it's a retcon.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 19, 2015, 10:56:02 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 19, 2015, 10:56:02 AM
Did you actually read my earlier post?
I'm not betting on anything, that's my point. A lot of the "facts" so far have been contradictory or manufactured from vague quotations that don't really say anything.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 19, 2015, 10:34:13 AMNow, I completely agree a retcon looks like the most probable outcome at this point. But until someone announces that officially (which, so far, they have not), I shall continue to be dubious.
I'm not betting on anything, that's my point. A lot of the "facts" so far have been contradictory or manufactured from vague quotations that don't really say anything.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2015, 11:04:34 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2015, 11:04:34 AM
I'm not even talking about the rumour side of things any more, I'm just 100% confident that this is in fact a retcon even if this latest news turns out to be fake. TBH I'm not a betting man either, it's why I put forward a token amount, but I cannot see this ending in anything other than a retconning, hix'n'noot fanfic unless Fox forces Bolmkamp to re-write it between now and the start of shooting.
And let's face it, he's a f**king awful writer who probably would pull that sort of shit, despite his visual flair.
And let's face it, he's a f**king awful writer who probably would pull that sort of shit, despite his visual flair.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 19, 2015, 11:33:38 AM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 19, 2015, 11:33:38 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 19, 2015, 10:20:37 AMQuote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 19, 2015, 09:26:06 AMLooks like it's confirmed as a retcon
At the risk of pointing out the totally obvious, nowhere does anything confirm a retcon. Assuming this instagram account is legit, all it confirms is that Biehn is in the film.
And it's not about not having enough info, it's about wanting it from an official source. Which still hasn't happened.
FuKet HuDa, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's probably safe to assume that it is in fact a duck.
:P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 19, 2015, 11:48:55 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 19, 2015, 11:48:55 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 19, 2015, 11:33:38 AMFuKet HuDa, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's probably safe to assume that it is in fact a duck.
Unless it's an android.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 19, 2015, 12:12:53 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Mar 19, 2015, 12:12:53 PM
Touché! :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Novak 1334 on Mar 19, 2015, 12:22:10 PM
Post by: Novak 1334 on Mar 19, 2015, 12:22:10 PM
Saw somewhere online this morning that Michael Biehn is reprising his role as Hicks, Hicks is dead, this isn't the Marvel Universe
I'm out, thanks Blomkamp
I'm out, thanks Blomkamp
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 19, 2015, 03:40:49 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 19, 2015, 03:40:49 PM
Link?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2015, 04:22:57 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 19, 2015, 04:22:57 PM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=52589.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=52589.0)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 19, 2015, 05:19:53 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Mar 19, 2015, 05:19:53 PM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 19, 2015, 10:28:58 AM
Lol except Prometheus was actually a decent movie.
Visually appealing, horrendous script and editing.
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 19, 2015, 10:28:58 AM
This is guaranteed dogshit
No. It could go either way.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 19, 2015, 11:48:55 AM
Unless it's an android.
FOKKEN ROH-BAUGHTS MAN!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 19, 2015, 06:41:45 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 19, 2015, 06:41:45 PM
Watch the film be great Hahahaha.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2015, 08:42:39 PM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 19, 2015, 08:42:39 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Mar 19, 2015, 05:19:53 PMQuote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 19, 2015, 10:28:58 AM
This is guaranteed dogshit
No. It could go either way.
Hahahahahahaha.
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 19, 2015, 06:41:45 PM
Watch the film be great Hahahaha.
I'll fight u lucy
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Mar 19, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
Post by: Gash on Mar 19, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 19, 2015, 10:28:58 AMQuote from: OpenMaw on Mar 19, 2015, 05:22:00 AMQuote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 19, 2015, 04:40:42 AM
https://38.media.tumblr.com/9761a4396b0f00407b862cffee9be8bb/tumblr_n7hgxs1O0p1tamedoo1_500.gif
Let's just hope not to similar results. :)
Lol except Prometheus was actually a decent movie.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 19, 2015, 11:15:18 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 19, 2015, 11:15:18 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Mar 19, 2015, 12:22:10 PM
Saw somewhere online this morning that Michael Biehn is reprising his role as Hicks, Hicks is dead, this isn't the Marvel Universe
I'm out, thanks Blomkamp
If he is in it they won't be bringing him back to life. They'll just be ignoring Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 20, 2015, 03:28:11 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 20, 2015, 03:28:11 AM
Well it's actually pretty funny the way somebody's prank just picked up and flew as official news on so many sites about Michael Biehn. On the bright side, I'm sure he's going to have to confront the things that were said. Planted hands on Linda's ass... priceless! I can just see his response, "I categorically deny saying that I did that,.... although,.... well,... did you see the Terminator?"
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 20, 2015, 03:21:47 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 20, 2015, 03:21:47 PM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 19, 2015, 11:04:34 AM
And let's face it, he's a f**king awful writer who probably would pull that sort of shit, despite his visual flair.
If you like Prometheus, then the quality of the script for the next movie should not be a problem for you :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Mar 20, 2015, 05:49:24 PM
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Mar 20, 2015, 05:49:24 PM
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Mar 20, 2015, 03:21:47 PMQuote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 19, 2015, 11:04:34 AM
And let's face it, he's a f**king awful writer who probably would pull that sort of shit, despite his visual flair.
If you like Prometheus, then the quality of the script for the next movie should not be a problem for you :P
+1
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 20, 2015, 07:23:16 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 20, 2015, 07:23:16 PM
I like Prometheus despite it's script, so, no.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Novak 1334 on Mar 20, 2015, 07:48:14 PM
Post by: Novak 1334 on Mar 20, 2015, 07:48:14 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 20, 2015, 07:23:16 PM
I like Prometheus despite it's script, so, no.
Somewhere, Michael Bay is smiling
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2015, 07:54:23 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2015, 07:54:23 PM
FAN ART:
http://"Don't worry Ma'am, we have them under control"
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/under-control (https://www.artstation.com/artwork/under-control)
http://"Don't worry Ma'am, we have them under control"
QuoteEver since I heard Neill Blomkamp is gonna make new Alien movie I felt all the juices flowing ;] I had this idea rattling in my head that I just had to draw - what if military actually succeed in controlling Aliens... or so they thought.
"Aliens" is one of the best movie ever in my book and I would totally love to work on new one so if you have direct contact with Neill please let him know about me ;]
On technical side I mostly used workflow from my "Illustration Unchained" series, plus some new experimental stuff that probably will end up in "UI:2". Rough 3d base model was made for APC, characters posed in DAZ, aliens are based on photoshoot I did to my lovely alien figure.
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/under-control (https://www.artstation.com/artwork/under-control)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 20, 2015, 08:03:54 PM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 20, 2015, 08:03:54 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2015, 07:54:23 PM
FAN ART:
http://"Don't worry Ma'am, we have them under control"QuoteEver since I heard Neill Blomkamp is gonna make new Alien movie I felt all the juices flowing ;] I had this idea rattling in my head that I just had to draw - what if military actually succeed in controlling Aliens... or so they thought.
"Aliens" is one of the best movie ever in my book and I would totally love to work on new one so if you have direct contact with Neill please let him know about me ;]
On technical side I mostly used workflow from my "Illustration Unchained" series, plus some new experimental stuff that probably will end up in "UI:2". Rough 3d base model was made for APC, characters posed in DAZ, aliens are based on photoshoot I did to my lovely alien figure.
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/under-control (https://www.artstation.com/artwork/under-control)
Ugh...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 20, 2015, 09:27:31 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 20, 2015, 09:27:31 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Mar 20, 2015, 07:48:14 PMQuote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 20, 2015, 07:23:16 PM
I like Prometheus despite it's script, so, no.
Somewhere, Michael Bay is smiling
No, no he isn't because I despise Michael Bay's films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Mar 20, 2015, 10:20:51 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Mar 20, 2015, 10:20:51 PM
He's smiling anyway, because people keep watching his films despite them being complete shit....
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 21, 2015, 01:10:04 AM
Post by: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 21, 2015, 01:10:04 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 20, 2015, 07:23:16 PM
I like Prometheus despite it's script, so, no.
I'd fall into that category as well. More specifically, it was a good 2 hour thriller script that had "deep meaningz and thought provokes" awkwardly forced into it by Lindelof. Not terrible by any means though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 21, 2015, 03:30:41 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 21, 2015, 03:30:41 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2015, 07:54:23 PM
FAN ART:
http://"Don't worry Ma'am, we have them under control"QuoteEver since I heard Neill Blomkamp is gonna make new Alien movie I felt all the juices flowing ;] I had this idea rattling in my head that I just had to draw - what if military actually succeed in controlling Aliens... or so they thought.
"Aliens" is one of the best movie ever in my book and I would totally love to work on new one so if you have direct contact with Neill please let him know about me ;]
On technical side I mostly used workflow from my "Illustration Unchained" series, plus some new experimental stuff that probably will end up in "UI:2". Rough 3d base model was made for APC, characters posed in DAZ, aliens are based on photoshoot I did to my lovely alien figure.
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/under-control (https://www.artstation.com/artwork/under-control)
Very nice work.. 8)
Quote from: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 21, 2015, 01:10:04 AMQuote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 20, 2015, 07:23:16 PM
I like Prometheus despite it's script, so, no.
I'd fall into that category as well. More specifically, it was a good 2 hour thriller script that had "deep meaningz and thought provokes" awkwardly forced into it by Lindelof. Not terrible by any means though.
One could also say that it was a great 2 hour script full of meaningful questions and explorations with the thriller aspects forced onto it. The script idiosyncrasies were forgivable and it was another Ridley Scott masterpiece.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 21, 2015, 12:51:22 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 21, 2015, 12:51:22 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2015, 07:54:23 PM
FAN ART:
Please God don't let ridiculous shit like that happen.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 21, 2015, 04:19:48 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 21, 2015, 04:19:48 PM
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien/34632/alien-5-wont-tread-on-toes-of-prometheus-2 (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien/34632/alien-5-wont-tread-on-toes-of-prometheus-2)
Blomkamp's Alien will not be called Alien 5.
Blomkamp's Alien will not be called Alien 5.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Mar 21, 2015, 06:03:43 PM
Post by: Magegg on Mar 21, 2015, 06:03:43 PM
Neil Blomkamp's Alien III, then ::)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Mar 21, 2015, 07:34:50 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Mar 21, 2015, 07:34:50 PM
He changed his mind as to where the film would take place, as a fan? I take that to mean that he is going to try and fit this thing in without retconing anything or threading on toes... good luck with that. If he pulls it of that would be spectacular.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 21, 2015, 07:45:47 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 21, 2015, 07:45:47 PM
Hardly. Unless he dumps returning characters it'll be a shitshow.
Or... it could be a Retcon.
Or... it could be a Retcon.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 21, 2015, 08:26:35 PM
Post by: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 21, 2015, 08:26:35 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 21, 2015, 03:30:41 AM
One could also say that it was a great 2 hour script full of meaningful questions and explorations with the thriller aspects for Ed onto it. The script idiosyncrasies were forgivable and it was another Ridley Scott masterpiece.
Yeah, one could say that, but they'd be forgetting that the movie started out as a pure-thriller before Lindelof got a hold of it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Mar 21, 2015, 09:39:24 PM
Post by: Gash on Mar 21, 2015, 09:39:24 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2015, 07:54:23 PM
FAN ART:
http://"Don't worry Ma'am, we have them under control"
Now that is a terrible concept. Nicely done, awful idea.
Frankly anything with military characters saying 'Don't worry Ma'am..' would be bad enough, without the even more execrable concept of tech augmented aliens. Besides that's the plot of Jurassic Park 4 isn't it?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 22, 2015, 01:30:01 AM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 22, 2015, 01:30:01 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 21, 2015, 06:03:43 PM
Neil Blomkamp's Alien III, then ::)
Neil Blomkamp's FAILIEN... Or more accurately - FAILIENS.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 22, 2015, 03:40:50 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 22, 2015, 03:40:50 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 21, 2015, 04:19:48 PM
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien/34632/alien-5-wont-tread-on-toes-of-prometheus-2 (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien/34632/alien-5-wont-tread-on-toes-of-prometheus-2)
Blomkamp's Alien will not be called Alien 5.
Awesome!!! Great to see Blomkamp is on the right track. Works with Prometheus. Works with Alien and Aliens. What more could one ask for? I am so stoked about this. 2 Alien films in the works simultaneously! Is this even real? I sometimes have to pinch myself. I hope we see a special cut of Prometheus released before Prometheus 2 comes out...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 22, 2015, 03:48:19 AM
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 22, 2015, 03:48:19 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 22, 2015, 03:40:50 AMQuote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 21, 2015, 04:19:48 PM
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien/34632/alien-5-wont-tread-on-toes-of-prometheus-2 (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien/34632/alien-5-wont-tread-on-toes-of-prometheus-2)
Blomkamp's Alien will not be called Alien 5.
Awesome!!! Great to see Blomkamp is on the right track. Works with Prometheus. Works with Alien and Aliens. What more could one ask for? I am so stoked about this. 2 Alien films in the works simultaneously! Is this even real? I sometimes have to pinch myself. I hope we see a special cut of Prometheus released before Prometheus 2 comes out...
Don't pinch too hard because the end result is gonna bite us all really hard in the ass.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 22, 2015, 05:30:49 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 22, 2015, 05:30:49 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2015, 07:54:23 PMI actually like this artwork and idea. It's visually interesting, and it's really apparent how it could go horribly wrong in a bunch of different ways so it's not like it's really "demeaning" the Aliens or making them "ineffectual".
FAN ART:
http://"Don't worry Ma'am, we have them under control"QuoteEver since I heard Neill Blomkamp is gonna make new Alien movie I felt all the juices flowing ;] I had this idea rattling in my head that I just had to draw - what if military actually succeed in controlling Aliens... or so they thought.
"Aliens" is one of the best movie ever in my book and I would totally love to work on new one so if you have direct contact with Neill please let him know about me ;]
On technical side I mostly used workflow from my "Illustration Unchained" series, plus some new experimental stuff that probably will end up in "UI:2". Rough 3d base model was made for APC, characters posed in DAZ, aliens are based on photoshoot I did to my lovely alien figure.
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/under-control (https://www.artstation.com/artwork/under-control)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 22, 2015, 01:23:57 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 22, 2015, 01:23:57 PM
It could be neat if they were feigning control like that Alien 3 script.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 22, 2015, 04:50:22 PM
Post by: thecaffeinatedone on Mar 22, 2015, 04:50:22 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 22, 2015, 03:48:19 AMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 22, 2015, 03:40:50 AMQuote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 21, 2015, 04:19:48 PM
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien/34632/alien-5-wont-tread-on-toes-of-prometheus-2 (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/alien/34632/alien-5-wont-tread-on-toes-of-prometheus-2)
Blomkamp's Alien will not be called Alien 5.
Awesome!!! Great to see Blomkamp is on the right track. Works with Prometheus. Works with Alien and Aliens. What more could one ask for? I am so stoked about this. 2 Alien films in the works simultaneously! Is this even real? I sometimes have to pinch myself. I hope we see a special cut of Prometheus released before Prometheus 2 comes out...
Don't pinch too hard because the end result is gonna bite us all really hard in the ass.
The best way to not let nostalgia and fanboy...fan-ism..is that a word? Eh, well at any rate, the best way to not get bias in the way of the movie is to just pretend like Blomkamp is doing some generic sci-fi thriller that you haven't heard about that has 2 older actors in it reprising roles they had. That way, some objectivity could be had.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 22, 2015, 05:27:58 PM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 22, 2015, 05:27:58 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 22, 2015, 01:23:57 PMThat's an even more interesting idea - the humans don't have control (and perhaps never did), made even juicier if one or some of the humans knew that the entire time.
It could be neat if they were feigning control like that Alien 3 script.
It would beg the question of why the Aliens would willingly choose to "cooperate", though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 22, 2015, 06:38:03 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 22, 2015, 06:38:03 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 22, 2015, 05:27:58 PMQuote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 22, 2015, 01:23:57 PMThat's an even more interesting idea - the humans don't have control (and perhaps never did), made even juicier if one or some of the humans knew that the entire time.
It could be neat if they were feigning control like that Alien 3 script.
It would beg the question of why the Aliens would willingly choose to "cooperate", though.
Perhaps born caged? The Derelict inside the compound for instance, and they'd feign control to get everywhere, in places they wouldn't be otherwise.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 22, 2015, 06:42:40 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 22, 2015, 06:42:40 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 22, 2015, 06:38:03 PMPerhaps born caged? The Derelict inside the compound for instance, and they'd feign control to get everywhere, in places they wouldn't be otherwise.
You can't do caged Aliens because Resurrection did that already.
They have to go somewhere new, otherwise there's no justification for retconning. You're just retreading the same ground.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 22, 2015, 06:45:20 PM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 22, 2015, 06:45:20 PM
One could argue that there's no justification for retconning in this instance, period. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 22, 2015, 07:02:24 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 22, 2015, 07:02:24 PM
Well yes, and I have argued that, but if you're going to do it, at least do something new to make it worthwhile.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Mar 22, 2015, 10:50:19 PM
Post by: T Dog on Mar 22, 2015, 10:50:19 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 22, 2015, 06:45:20 PM
One could argue that there's no justification for retconning in this instance, period. :P
I'm watching ALIENS right now and I really don't think the idea of a retcon is good.
Aliens was the most exciting movie ever when I was 12 but the magic gone - I've seen the film so many times at this point.
I feel like a movie like A3 has a lot more depth and character moments and erasing it from canon is just a wimp move.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 23, 2015, 12:17:46 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 23, 2015, 12:17:46 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Mar 22, 2015, 10:50:19 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on Mar 22, 2015, 06:45:20 PM
One could argue that there's no justification for retconning in this instance, period. :P
I'm watching ALIENS right now and I really don't think the idea of a retcon is good.
Aliens was the most exciting movie ever when I was 12 but the magic gone - I've seen the film so many times at this point.
I feel like a movie like A3 has a lot more depth and character moments and erasing it from canon is just a wimp move.
Nah, every time I see it, I just realize all the more just how brilliant the film really is and how every scene is just priceless. I say we need a proper continuation to it, but man is that ever a tall order. James Cameron is the Einstein of film-making. Good luck topping that. It takes balls to try though. I hope Blomkamp gets a chance to consult with James Cameron on this one at some point. I am still amazed that with James Cameron's clout, he never just decided to retcon Alien 3 himself. He would be the best director to do it...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 23, 2015, 12:22:15 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 23, 2015, 12:22:15 AM
After Aliens Cameron was done. I guess it was a T2 situation for him. He told the story he wanted to tell and moved on.
It would be cool if Blomkamp consulted with him a bit, though. He's obviously going to be spending a lot of time with Scott, since he's producing.
It would be cool if Blomkamp consulted with him a bit, though. He's obviously going to be spending a lot of time with Scott, since he's producing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Mar 23, 2015, 12:54:47 AM
Post by: Gash on Mar 23, 2015, 12:54:47 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 23, 2015, 12:17:46 AMQuote from: tmjhur on Mar 22, 2015, 10:50:19 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on Mar 22, 2015, 06:45:20 PM
One could argue that there's no justification for retconning in this instance, period. :P
I'm watching ALIENS right now and I really don't think the idea of a retcon is good.
Aliens was the most exciting movie ever when I was 12 but the magic gone - I've seen the film so many times at this point.
I feel like a movie like A3 has a lot more depth and character moments and erasing it from canon is just a wimp move.
Nah, every time I see it, I just realize all the more just how brilliant the film really is and how every scene is just priceless. I say we need a proper continuation to it, but man is that ever a tall order. James Cameron is the Einstein of film-making. Good luck topping that. It takes balls to try though. I hope Blomkamp gets a chance to consult with James Cameron on this one at some point. I am still amazed that with James Cameron's clout, he never just decided to retcon Alien 3 himself. He would be the best director to do it...
I'm none too stoked about Blomkamp at the moment, but at least he isn't Cameron. If he writes another poor script for himself to direct though I guess he might be Cameron's natural successor.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 23, 2015, 04:11:23 AM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 23, 2015, 04:11:23 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 21, 2015, 12:51:22 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2015, 07:54:23 PM
FAN ART:
Please God don't let ridiculous shit like that happen.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 23, 2015, 06:45:19 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 23, 2015, 06:45:19 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 22, 2015, 07:02:24 PMFair enough, can't disagree there. :)
Well yes, and I have argued that, but if you're going to do it, at least do something new to make it worthwhile.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 23, 2015, 07:41:06 AM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 23, 2015, 07:41:06 AM
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Please God don't let ridiculous shit like that happen.
Jeri was awesome:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 23, 2015, 08:47:30 AM
Post by: [cancerblack] on Mar 23, 2015, 08:47:30 AM
Quote from: Gash on Mar 23, 2015, 12:54:47 AMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Mar 23, 2015, 12:17:46 AMQuote from: tmjhur on Mar 22, 2015, 10:50:19 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on Mar 22, 2015, 06:45:20 PM
One could argue that there's no justification for retconning in this instance, period. :P
I'm watching ALIENS right now and I really don't think the idea of a retcon is good.
Aliens was the most exciting movie ever when I was 12 but the magic gone - I've seen the film so many times at this point.
I feel like a movie like A3 has a lot more depth and character moments and erasing it from canon is just a wimp move.
Nah, every time I see it, I just realize all the more just how brilliant the film really is and how every scene is just priceless. I say we need a proper continuation to it, but man is that ever a tall order. James Cameron is the Einstein of film-making. Good luck topping that. It takes balls to try though. I hope Blomkamp gets a chance to consult with James Cameron on this one at some point. I am still amazed that with James Cameron's clout, he never just decided to retcon Alien 3 himself. He would be the best director to do it...
I'm none too stoked about Blomkamp at the moment, but at least he isn't Cameron. If he writes another poor script for himself to direct though I guess he might be Cameron's natural successor.
4th degree burn on Cameron.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 23, 2015, 12:01:38 PM
Post by: Son Of Kane on Mar 23, 2015, 12:01:38 PM
What comic is Jeri from?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 23, 2015, 12:07:48 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Mar 23, 2015, 12:07:48 PM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 23, 2015, 07:41:06 AMQuote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 23, 2015, 04:11:23 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 21, 2015, 12:51:22 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2015, 07:54:23 PM
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Please God don't let ridiculous shit like that happen.
Man that's ridonculous! Ridonc I tell u!
Jeri was awesome:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 23, 2015, 12:36:01 PM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 23, 2015, 12:36:01 PM
Jeri was an android.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 23, 2015, 01:18:00 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 23, 2015, 01:18:00 PM
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Please God don't let ridiculous shit like that happen.
I don't read the comics so forgive my ignorance but, what the hell is going on here?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Close Encounters on Mar 23, 2015, 02:04:58 PM
Post by: Close Encounters on Mar 23, 2015, 02:04:58 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 23, 2015, 12:01:38 PM
What comic is Jeri from?
Aliens: Stronghold http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Aliens:_Stronghold (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Aliens:_Stronghold)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 23, 2015, 03:12:12 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 23, 2015, 03:12:12 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 23, 2015, 01:18:00 PMQuote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 23, 2015, 04:11:23 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 21, 2015, 12:51:22 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2015, 07:54:23 PM
FAN ART:
Please God don't let ridiculous shit like that happen.
I don't read the comics so forgive my ignorance but, what the hell is going on here?
Jerry, the synthetic Alien
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gate on Mar 23, 2015, 04:21:09 PM
Post by: Gate on Mar 23, 2015, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2015, 07:54:23 PM
FAN ART:
http://"Don't worry Ma'am, we have them under control"QuoteEver since I heard Neill Blomkamp is gonna make new Alien movie I felt all the juices flowing ;] I had this idea rattling in my head that I just had to draw - what if military actually succeed in controlling Aliens... or so they thought.
"Aliens" is one of the best movie ever in my book and I would totally love to work on new one so if you have direct contact with Neill please let him know about me ;]
On technical side I mostly used workflow from my "Illustration Unchained" series, plus some new experimental stuff that probably will end up in "UI:2". Rough 3d base model was made for APC, characters posed in DAZ, aliens are based on photoshoot I did to my lovely alien figure.
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/under-control (https://www.artstation.com/artwork/under-control)
This is far from ridiculous. Rather, it embodies the what-if success of WY. Hell these could even work as cyborg-Xenos.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2015, 04:24:18 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2015, 04:24:18 PM
Quote from: Gate on Mar 23, 2015, 04:21:09 PMThis is far from ridiculous. Rather, it embodies the what-if success of WY. Hell these could even work as cyborg-Xenos.
No, it's ridiculous, and looks stupid as hell.
It's as bad as the domesticated Raptors in Jurassic World.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 23, 2015, 04:32:21 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 23, 2015, 04:32:21 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2015, 04:24:18 PMQuote from: Gate on Mar 23, 2015, 04:21:09 PMThis is far from ridiculous. Rather, it embodies the what-if success of WY. Hell these could even work as cyborg-Xenos.
No, it's ridiculous, and looks stupid as hell.
It's as bad as the domesticated Raptors in Jurassic World.
It's more Resident Evil than anything, and that's far far worse.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gate on Mar 23, 2015, 04:46:47 PM
Post by: Gate on Mar 23, 2015, 04:46:47 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2015, 04:24:18 PMQuote from: Gate on Mar 23, 2015, 04:21:09 PMThis is far from ridiculous. Rather, it embodies the what-if success of WY. Hell these could even work as cyborg-Xenos.
No, it's ridiculous, and looks stupid as hell.
It's as bad as the domesticated Raptors in Jurassic World.
Forgive me, but what was the purpose of both those films?
To play God, Right?
I'm sorry you disagree with the source material.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2015, 04:52:01 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2015, 04:52:01 PM
Quote from: Gate on Mar 23, 2015, 04:46:47 PMForgive me, but what was the purpose of both those films?
To play God, Right?
I'm sorry you disagree with the source material.
Neither of the Crichton books feature people domesticating dinosaurs, so I don't see what "source material" has to do with it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 23, 2015, 04:52:52 PM
Post by: NetworkATTH on Mar 23, 2015, 04:52:52 PM
Quote from: Gate on Mar 23, 2015, 04:46:47 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2015, 04:24:18 PMQuote from: Gate on Mar 23, 2015, 04:21:09 PMThis is far from ridiculous. Rather, it embodies the what-if success of WY. Hell these could even work as cyborg-Xenos.
No, it's ridiculous, and looks stupid as hell.
It's as bad as the domesticated Raptors in Jurassic World.
Forgive me, but what was the purpose of both those films?
To play God, Right?
I'm sorry you disagree with the source material.
That actually wasn't the purpose, in that context. It was executed it in a way that wasn't ridiculous because it failed before they could get to a ridiculous ideal. I'm sorry you disagree with the source material.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2015, 02:33:47 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2015, 02:33:47 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 23, 2015, 04:52:01 PMAt first I was like "trained raptors? What the f**k?" and then the more I thought about it the more it made sense. They're wild animals, sure, but they're just animals, and animals can be trained. We have trained lions, gorillas, tigers, etc in zoos around the world. They're still dangerous and unpredictable, but there's nothing inherently special about a dinosaur that should prevent them from being trained.Quote from: Gate on Mar 23, 2015, 04:46:47 PMForgive me, but what was the purpose of both those films?
To play God, Right?
I'm sorry you disagree with the source material.
Neither of the Crichton books feature people domesticating dinosaurs, so I don't see what "source material" has to do with it.
Aliens, on the other hand, that's a different story.
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 23, 2015, 03:12:12 PMOne of 3, in fact.Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 23, 2015, 01:18:00 PMQuote from: NetworkATTH on Mar 23, 2015, 04:11:23 AMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 21, 2015, 12:51:22 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 20, 2015, 07:54:23 PM
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Please God don't let ridiculous shit like that happen.
I don't read the comics so forgive my ignorance but, what the hell is going on here?
Jerry, the synthetic Alien
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 24, 2015, 02:41:03 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 24, 2015, 02:41:03 AM
Not if the Aliens are genetically engineered. They could be designed to be trained.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2015, 02:55:20 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2015, 02:55:20 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 24, 2015, 02:41:03 AMEhhhh, there's a lot of ways you can go with that. Making the Aliens trainable (or modifiable so they can be trained) kinda undermines them thematically.
Not if the Aliens are genetically engineered. They could be designed to be trained.
Like I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but it's not a very good idea from a storytelling perspective.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 24, 2015, 08:43:03 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 24, 2015, 08:43:03 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2015, 02:33:47 AMWe have trained lions, gorillas, tigers, etc in zoos around the world.
None of those animals are actually predators of humans though. Ever hear of a trained polar bear?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2015, 08:45:06 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2015, 08:45:06 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 24, 2015, 08:43:03 AMWe don't know that a velociraptor would be a predator of humans any moreso than a lion or tiger would be.Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2015, 02:33:47 AMWe have trained lions, gorillas, tigers, etc in zoos around the world.
None of those animals are actually predators of humans though. Ever hear of a trained polar bear?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 24, 2015, 08:47:36 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 24, 2015, 08:47:36 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2015, 08:45:06 AMWe don't know that a velociraptor would be a predator of humans any moreso than a lion or tiger would be.
Um, what?
The first two JP films have major scenes where Raptors explicitly hunt humans (Muldoon, the long grass).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2015, 09:00:17 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2015, 09:00:17 AM
Yeah, and lions and tigers can (and have) done the same thing.
I'm not saying that raptors don't or can't hunt humans, just that there's no indication they're any more of a predator than any other large, historically man-killing animal out there that we've managed to domesticate.
I'm not saying that raptors don't or can't hunt humans, just that there's no indication they're any more of a predator than any other large, historically man-killing animal out there that we've managed to domesticate.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 24, 2015, 09:09:52 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 24, 2015, 09:09:52 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2015, 09:00:17 AMYeah, and lions and tigers can (and have) done the same thing.
I'm not saying that raptors don't or can't hunt humans, just that there's no indication they're any more of a predator than any other large, historically man-killing animal out there that we've managed to domesticate.
In very rare cases. They certainly aren't "historical man-killers". Just rogue individuals driven by specific circumstances. Polar bears and crocodiles are the only animals that actively hunt people as a species. How many domesticated examples of those do you see?
It doesn't change the fact that every Jurassic Park contradicts you. They all show Raptors actively hunting people, and not just one rogue dino acting alone, but as an organised pack. In one case (Muldoon), their actions even specifically correlate to the hunting behaviour described by Grant at the start of the movie. The implication in the films is quite obviously that they hunt us.
Anyway, this is getting totally off topic.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2015, 09:13:28 AM
Post by: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2015, 09:13:28 AM
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Domesticated Raptors doesn't bother me as a concept, and we'll have to see what the full execution is like in the final film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 24, 2015, 09:56:41 AM
Post by: Alien³ on Mar 24, 2015, 09:56:41 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 24, 2015, 09:09:52 AM
It doesn't change the fact that every Jurassic Park contradicts you. They all show Raptors actively hunting people, and not just one rogue dino acting alone, but as an organised pack. In one case (Muldoon), their actions even specifically correlate to the hunting behaviour described by Grant at the start of the movie. The implication in the films is quite obviously that they hunt us.
But at the start of the movie Grant does not know dinosaurs are alive again.
His description is implying a general hunting tactic the species may have used 65 million years ago. Just coincidence we're on their menu, and they use that hunting method.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 24, 2015, 04:02:29 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Mar 24, 2015, 04:02:29 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Mar 24, 2015, 02:55:20 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Mar 24, 2015, 02:41:03 AMEhhhh, there's a lot of ways you can go with that. Making the Aliens trainable (or modifiable so they can be trained) kinda undermines them thematically.
Not if the Aliens are genetically engineered. They could be designed to be trained.
Like I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but it's not a very good idea from a storytelling perspective.
Given the liberties authors always take when it comes to EU in general, anything is possible.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: stroggificated on Mar 24, 2015, 09:09:11 PM
Post by: stroggificated on Mar 24, 2015, 09:09:11 PM
I think we would have hunted the Velociraptor instead ;)
What were the movie makers thinking? That >Velociraptor< sounds cool? ;D
There's a dinosaur who would look like the Movie-Velociraptors, but i don't remember its name...
What were the movie makers thinking? That >Velociraptor< sounds cool? ;D
There's a dinosaur who would look like the Movie-Velociraptors, but i don't remember its name...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 24, 2015, 09:16:00 PM
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 24, 2015, 09:16:00 PM
Quote from: stroggificated on Mar 24, 2015, 09:09:11 PM
I think we would have hunted the Velociraptor instead ;)
http://www.prehistoric-wildlife.com/images/species/v/velociraptor-size.jpg
What were the movie makers thinking? That >Velociraptor< sounds cool? ;D
There's a dinosaur who would look like the Movie-Velociraptors, but i don't remember its name...
Just because it's small doesn't mean it's not dangerous. A pack of those could easily take down a human.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Mar 24, 2015, 09:20:09 PM
Post by: JungleHunter87 on Mar 24, 2015, 09:20:09 PM
QuoteThere's a dinosaur who would look like the Movie-Velociraptors, but i don't remember its name...
I think you are talking about Deinonychus.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 24, 2015, 09:21:39 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Mar 24, 2015, 09:21:39 PM
Quote from: stroggificated on Mar 24, 2015, 09:09:11 PMWhat were the movie makers thinking? That >Velociraptor< sounds cool? ;D
There's a dinosaur who would look like the Movie-Velociraptors, but i don't remember its name...
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Mar 24, 2015, 09:20:09 PMI think you are talking about Deinonychus.
I remember reading that, back when they made the first film, Deinonychus was commonly accepted to be a member of the velociraptor family. It was subsequently reclassified, which is why the raptors in the film look nothing like the real thing did.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: stroggificated on Mar 24, 2015, 09:34:19 PM
Post by: stroggificated on Mar 24, 2015, 09:34:19 PM
^ I think that was the one. The Utahraptor would be a bit too big.
And vice versa....
Pack Wars!! ;D
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 24, 2015, 09:16:00 PM
Just because it's small doesn't mean it's not dangerous. A pack of those could easily take down a human.
And vice versa....
Pack Wars!! ;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 24, 2015, 11:20:53 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Mar 24, 2015, 11:20:53 PM
Quote from: Close Encounters on Mar 23, 2015, 02:04:58 PMQuote from: Son Of Kane on Mar 23, 2015, 12:01:38 PM
What comic is Jeri from?
Aliens: Stronghold http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Aliens:_Stronghold (http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Aliens:_Stronghold)
Very fun comic!
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/aliens-omnibus-volume-4/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/literature/reviews/aliens-omnibus-volume-4/)
"On an apparently routine supply run, Philip and Joy Strunk deliver a shipment of synthetic photo receptors to Caspar Nordling, biotechnologist for Grant Corporation. When the Strunks discover that Nordling's experiments have exceeded Stanislaw Mayakovsky's work (as seen in Aliens: Hive), they realize that there's more to Nordling — and the Aliens — than meets the eye."
Stronghold sees the return of John Arcudi to the typewriter with artwork provided by Doug Mahnke and Jimmy Palmiotti. The basic premise of Stronghold is that married technical team Philip and Joy Strunk have travelled to the far flung research facility run by Dr Nordling and staffed entirely by synthetics to ensure everything meets standard health and safety regulations.
You see, the good Doctor is working on a biological way to kill the Xenomorphs and you just don't need any leaks or errors in their safety systems.
What the story turns into is John Arcudi's exploration of Nordling's treatment of his synthetic charges. The script makes it blatantly clear that what he does is tantamount to abuse. Joy takes the limelight in their defence and works to try and find a way to get Dr Nordling in hot water with their employers, the Grant Corporation.
As can be expected she is discovered and everything goes to pot with the synthetics rebelling – as well as their programming will allow –against Nordling and attempting to save Joy and Philip.
The subject isn't really something that has been dealt with in the Aliens franchise. It wasn't even touched in any of the films and it has only recently been revisited in Alien – More Than Human, the latest novella by Dark Horse. Synthetic characters are typically presented as adversarial in the games as well.
Stronghold is a spiritual sequel to Aliens – Harvest in that it includes a synthetic Xenomorph in the form of Jeri, building on from the prototype introduced in Harvest. Jeri is quite easily the best thing in Stronghold. He is, in my opinion, the only character in the story that is interesting and shows actual personality and development.
Character progression is largely forgotten, focusing more on the story and putting across the point of how evil Nordling is to treat the synthetic characters like tools to be used. Jeri is easily the star of the show, the other characters falling to the side.
But as we get to the last pages, Arcudi completely shoots himself in the foot by having Philip Strunk say something like to the effect of "nevermind, they were only synthetic. They weren't people." This completely negates the entire point of the story, underminding his own message and his own characters – and in Philip's case, his own wife.
Mahnke and Palmiotti's artwork is pretty typical of the 90s, featuring plenty of basic colours and somewhat lacking in detail. That's not to say it's bad. It's just a product of its time, like many of the stories in this particular volume. We've definitely seen worse. *cough* that's right, I'm looking at you, Female War *cough*
I think Stronghold is a solid entry in the Aliens mythology and the inclusion of the legend that is Jeri makes Stronghold an easy one to recommend and a very welcome inclusion in Volume #4.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Mar 25, 2015, 02:35:50 AM
Post by: predxeno on Mar 25, 2015, 02:35:50 AM
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Mar 24, 2015, 09:20:09 PMQuoteThere's a dinosaur who would look like the Movie-Velociraptors, but i don't remember its name...
I think you are talking about Deinonychus.
It could also be Utahraptor.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: asudi on Mar 25, 2015, 03:02:09 AM
Post by: asudi on Mar 25, 2015, 03:02:09 AM
i hope this turn outs be good. the director made crappy films before.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: THE CITY HUNTER on Apr 11, 2015, 10:27:01 PM
Post by: THE CITY HUNTER on Apr 11, 2015, 10:27:01 PM
First of all don't get hyped alien 5 still be a flop ( is it me or Neil Blomkemp movies all similar) and does that mean alien 5 will be set before aliens or will it be a new Ripley character.http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/Smileys/default/huh.gif (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Scree on Apr 17, 2015, 07:40:19 AM
Post by: Scree on Apr 17, 2015, 07:40:19 AM
Are there any infos about the budget and the rating yet? Plus or minus 100 mio? PG13 or R?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 17, 2015, 07:43:15 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Apr 17, 2015, 07:43:15 AM
No word but given Blomkamp's track record I'd be very surprised if it wasn't rated R.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 17, 2015, 10:48:50 AM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Apr 17, 2015, 10:48:50 AM
Quote from: Scree on Apr 17, 2015, 07:40:19 AM
Are there any infos about the budget and the rating yet? Plus or minus 100 mio? PG13 or R?
I'd estimate that the budget would be between $110 million to $130 million. Unlikely that an R-rated movie would get more than that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: THE CITY HUNTER on May 10, 2015, 01:16:38 PM
Post by: THE CITY HUNTER on May 10, 2015, 01:16:38 PM
Quote from: Gazz on Feb 19, 2015, 12:27:30 AMNot really 20 century fox has not confirmed it so if they don't confirm it, it will not happen.
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel)QuoteDistrict 9 and Elysium helmer Neill Blomkamp made headlines last month when he posted a series of concept art designs for a new film in the 20th Century Fox's Alien franchise. Although the filmmaker admitted that the designs were unofficial, he hinted that he'd be more than happy to take on such a project. Today, Blomkamp posted a new image with a message that should make Alien franchise fans pretty happy!
"So I think it's officially my next film," he writes!
At this point it's uncertain precisely what route the new film will take or if Signourney Weaver (whose Ellen Ripley was featured in the concept designs) will be returning to the franchise.
"[Sigourney] knows about it," Blomkamp told ComingSoon.net last week, "and part of it was just inspired by speaking to her on set when we were filming 'Chappie,' and getting her thoughts on 'Alien' and what she thought of the movies that came after 'Aliens' and what she felt about Ripley and what was incomplete for her about Ripley. There was so much fuel in what she was telling me."
You can read more about Blomkamp's thoughts on the new project right here and check back for further information as soon as it becomes available!
Blomkamp's latest, Chappie, also stars Weaver and lands in theaters March 6!
UPDATE: Neill Blomkamp's ALIEN movie will take place AFTER the events of PROMETHEUS 2. Ridley Scott is producing BOTH
http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/ (http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/)
Prometheus Sequel is STILL happening.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on May 11, 2015, 01:43:57 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on May 11, 2015, 01:43:57 PM
Deductive reasoning tells us otherwise. If it is indeed taking place after Prommy 2, and Alien V is greenlit which we know it is, that means Prommy 2 is happening.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OmegaZilla on May 11, 2015, 04:03:52 PM
Post by: OmegaZilla on May 11, 2015, 04:03:52 PM
Blomkamp was forced to change one aspect of the script because it interferred with Prometurd 2. So yeah.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on May 19, 2015, 11:07:40 AM
Post by: Gash on May 19, 2015, 11:07:40 AM
Cool, far more stoked for Prom 2 than Alien 5.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 19, 2015, 11:25:54 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on May 19, 2015, 11:25:54 AM
Honestly, I'm really more interested in Shane Black's Predator movie right now.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2015, 12:16:08 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2015, 12:16:08 PM
It's a bit of a polarized position at the minute. It's quite interesting. Can't wait to see more details on all projects.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Jun 01, 2015, 12:28:14 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jun 01, 2015, 12:28:14 PM
I'm optimistic. Then again, I seem to be one of the few who liked Prometheus.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Jun 08, 2015, 02:55:13 AM
Post by: Gash on Jun 08, 2015, 02:55:13 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 01, 2015, 12:28:14 PM
I'm optimistic. Then again, I seem to be one of the few who liked Prometheus.
Just part of the silent majority in fact.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 08, 2015, 03:05:27 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 08, 2015, 03:05:27 AM
Quote from: Gash on Jun 08, 2015, 02:55:13 AMQuote from: DoomRulz on Jun 01, 2015, 12:28:14 PM
I'm optimistic. Then again, I seem to be one of the few who liked Prometheus.
Just part of the silent majority in fact.
Prometheus is one of the best sci-fi films of all time. Seriously. Which film asks the questions it did? OT, I know...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Jun 08, 2015, 03:38:39 AM
Post by: Magegg on Jun 08, 2015, 03:38:39 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 08, 2015, 03:05:27 AMPrometheus is one of the best sci-fi films of all time. Seriously. Which film asks the questions it did? OT, I know...Please tell me it's a joke.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Bat Chain Puller on Jun 08, 2015, 03:59:47 AM
Post by: Bat Chain Puller on Jun 08, 2015, 03:59:47 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 08, 2015, 03:38:39 AMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 08, 2015, 03:05:27 AMPrometheus is one of the best sci-fi films of all time. Seriously. Which film asks the questions it did? OT, I know...Please tell me it's a joke.
It looks like one of the best sci-fi films of all time. It aspires to be one of the best sci-fi films of all time. I can see where some would say it's up there. It's damn great, but comes up short in the follow through.
I wish they had been granted the budget for that 3rd act so we didn't have to sit through a stretched out 2nd that just sort of ends with a conclusion that feels like it was invented by a couple guys over pizza who just had to come up with something.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 08, 2015, 04:34:32 AM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Jun 08, 2015, 04:34:32 AM
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Jun 08, 2015, 03:59:47 AMQuote from: Magegg on Jun 08, 2015, 03:38:39 AMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jun 08, 2015, 03:05:27 AMPrometheus is one of the best sci-fi films of all time. Seriously. Which film asks the questions it did? OT, I know...Please tell me it's a joke.
It looks like one of the best sci-fi films of all time. It aspires to be one of the best sci-fi films of all time. I can see where some would say it's up there. It's damn great, but comes up short in the follow through.
I wish they had been granted the budget for that 3rd act so we didn't have to sit through a stretched out 2nd that just sort of ends with a conclusion that feels like it was invented by a couple guys over pizza who just had to come up with something.
It's so dense, every single image has so many things going on
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Jun 08, 2015, 04:43:36 AM
Post by: Magegg on Jun 08, 2015, 04:43:36 AM
A movie written by Damon Lindelof could never become one of the best science fictions film of all time. NEVER.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 08, 2015, 09:37:35 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jun 08, 2015, 09:37:35 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 08, 2015, 04:43:36 AM
A movie written by Damon Lindelof could never become one of the best science fictions film of all time. NEVER.
Zing. And agreed.
It's a gorgeous looking film though. Has next to no real substance though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Jun 08, 2015, 11:59:11 AM
Post by: DoomRulz on Jun 08, 2015, 11:59:11 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Jun 08, 2015, 04:43:36 AM
A movie written by Damon Lindelof could never become one of the best science fictions film of all time. NEVER.
He's an ideas man. He works better as a consultant.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Jun 08, 2015, 05:46:55 PM
Post by: Gash on Jun 08, 2015, 05:46:55 PM
Jeez, compared to most sci fi of the last decade and all the superhero drivel, Prometheus at the very least feels like it's in the spirit of more thought provoking science fiction, even if you look at it simply as story about an android's ambiguous moral stance amidst human contrivances.
Saw Fury Road last week, looks good and enjoyable and all - remarkable piece of film making in many ways but story wise less interesting than Prometheus. Both have the feel of sci-fi films from the 60s/70s, more substance behind the visual effects. Give me attempts at that any day.
Saw Fury Road last week, looks good and enjoyable and all - remarkable piece of film making in many ways but story wise less interesting than Prometheus. Both have the feel of sci-fi films from the 60s/70s, more substance behind the visual effects. Give me attempts at that any day.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Jun 08, 2015, 05:53:13 PM
Post by: Magegg on Jun 08, 2015, 05:53:13 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 08, 2015, 11:59:11 AMHe's an ideas man. He works better as a consultant.A pitcher more than a consultant. Have him to write the basic concept of anything, then drop him. How can he be a consultant? He has never resolved any plot point he has HIMSELF pitched for his own productions!
He f**ked up Lost because everything he proposed for the movie he had no idea what to do with it, he declined writing Prometheus 2 because he doesn't know what to do with whatever he hinted at the first film, he's a sort of reverse Shyamalan, he's more than likely even worse than Shyamalan.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 08, 2015, 07:49:13 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jun 08, 2015, 07:49:13 PM
OT. Way OT. But deserves to be continued elsewhere... Damn, I loved Prometheus...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 17, 2015, 10:36:09 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 17, 2015, 10:36:09 AM
Just to save me time before I go diving into the threads - did anyone save the full size and non-caped versions of the original artwork from Blomkamp?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Darkness on Jul 17, 2015, 02:46:06 PM
Post by: Darkness on Jul 17, 2015, 02:46:06 PM
There wasn't any. The capped versions are the only ones he posted.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 17, 2015, 03:02:06 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 17, 2015, 03:02:06 PM
There are a definitely larger versions. I've got a couple - The egg morphing/cocoon, the derelict, the queen. I've got those ones.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Jul 17, 2015, 06:26:21 PM
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Jul 17, 2015, 06:26:21 PM
These any good? Found on Google/Alien explorations blog. (Just missing one)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 17, 2015, 07:48:01 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 17, 2015, 07:48:01 PM
Perfect. Much better quality than what I had. Thanks.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Darkness on Jul 18, 2015, 06:55:53 AM
Post by: Darkness on Jul 18, 2015, 06:55:53 AM
Never knew the originals had been released. Found the original artists too:
http://filmsketchr.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/neill-blomkamps-secret-alien-sequel.html
Geoffroy Thooren: http://djahalland.com and Douglas Williams: http://dougblot.blogspot.com.
Never seen this one before either:
And yeah, I see now how the guy is cocooned to the wall. I thought he was talking to Ripley stood up in the smaller version.
http://filmsketchr.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/neill-blomkamps-secret-alien-sequel.html
Geoffroy Thooren: http://djahalland.com and Douglas Williams: http://dougblot.blogspot.com.
Never seen this one before either:
And yeah, I see now how the guy is cocooned to the wall. I thought he was talking to Ripley stood up in the smaller version.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2015, 09:15:50 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2015, 09:15:50 AM
That's from Prometheus from what I remember.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 23, 2015, 07:23:57 PM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 23, 2015, 07:23:57 PM
Uhh, take this as you will. :P
It was posted on Doug Williams' blog "pleaselookatmeneillblomkamp" while he speculated what the Hammerpede might look like after it's first tease in a Prometheus teaser, and then Neill took it and used it as part of the bundle of concept art that he put out on Instagram. Makes me think that he is either going to somehow incorporate something similar to Williams' speculative Hammerpede or that he just plans to use Williams in some capacity and he just happened to show that as an example of Williams' art.
http://pleaselookatmeneillblomkamp.blogspot.com/2012/04/face-huggeruhsucker.html (http://pleaselookatmeneillblomkamp.blogspot.com/2012/04/face-huggeruhsucker.html)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 18, 2015, 09:15:50 AM
That's from Prometheus from what I remember.
It was posted on Doug Williams' blog "pleaselookatmeneillblomkamp" while he speculated what the Hammerpede might look like after it's first tease in a Prometheus teaser, and then Neill took it and used it as part of the bundle of concept art that he put out on Instagram. Makes me think that he is either going to somehow incorporate something similar to Williams' speculative Hammerpede or that he just plans to use Williams in some capacity and he just happened to show that as an example of Williams' art.
http://pleaselookatmeneillblomkamp.blogspot.com/2012/04/face-huggeruhsucker.html (http://pleaselookatmeneillblomkamp.blogspot.com/2012/04/face-huggeruhsucker.html)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 23, 2015, 09:20:41 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Aug 23, 2015, 09:20:41 PM
I don't know, I wouldn't mind a hot chick in space battling aliens movie. Some courtesy tits are always welcomed. yea yea please do not post example of how that is a bad idea... no wait ,actually please do. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 24, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Aug 24, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 23, 2015, 07:23:57 PM
Uhh, take this as you will. :P
http://i60.tinypic.com/2h8deso.png
Was this ever a risk? :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 24, 2015, 04:26:28 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Aug 24, 2015, 04:26:28 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 24, 2015, 02:22:02 PMQuote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 23, 2015, 07:23:57 PM
Uhh, take this as you will. :P
http://i60.tinypic.com/2h8deso.png
Was this ever a risk? :P
Someone said Blomkamp was going to make it psychosexual and Mike thought they meant Hot Chicks in Space. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 24, 2015, 08:48:17 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Aug 24, 2015, 08:48:17 PM
I think Hot Chicks in Space could literally be its own movie!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Aug 24, 2015, 08:56:27 PM
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Aug 24, 2015, 08:56:27 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Aug 24, 2015, 08:48:17 PM
I think Hot Chicks in Space could literally be its own movie!
Someone call Roger Corman.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 29, 2015, 10:46:18 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 29, 2015, 10:46:18 PM
Anyone worry that Fox will screw up Blomkamp's vision on the film. I feel like it will be like Alien 3 all over again where Blomkamp won't do the movie that he wants to do.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 30, 2015, 03:18:53 AM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Aug 30, 2015, 03:18:53 AM
None of the subsequent films have had anywhere near the troubles of Alien 3, have they? I know it's still early, but Neil said the project was going great, so I'm not worried for now.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: TheBATMAN on Aug 30, 2015, 08:16:06 AM
Post by: TheBATMAN on Aug 30, 2015, 08:16:06 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 29, 2015, 10:46:18 PM
Anyone worry that Fox will screw up Blomkamp's vision on the film. I feel like it will be like Alien 3 all over again where Blomkamp won't do the movie that he wants to do.
I don't think so. Alien is not the premier property it was in 1991.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomorphine on Aug 30, 2015, 11:39:36 AM
Post by: Xenomorphine on Aug 30, 2015, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 24, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Was this ever a risk? :P
Mike looks like the kind of guy who worries about these things...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 30, 2015, 08:26:10 PM
Post by: Ratchetcomand on Aug 30, 2015, 08:26:10 PM
Fox still screw over other films in recent history like Daredevil, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, I Robot, Kingdom of Heaven, X3, X-Men Origins, Dragon Ball Evolution and the new Fantastic Four movie. I'm a bit worry that Fox will step in and screw something up.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2015, 12:39:22 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2015, 12:39:22 PM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 30, 2015, 08:26:10 PM
the new Fantastic Four movie. I'm a bit worry that Fox will step in and screw something up.
By all accounts they tried to salvage that film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 01, 2015, 08:14:49 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Sep 01, 2015, 08:14:49 AM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Aug 30, 2015, 03:18:53 AMNone of the subsequent films have had anywhere near the troubles of Alien 3, have they?
Nope. Resurrection's shoot was a breeze compared to any of the other Alien movies, and the AVP films (once they got off the ground), Predators and Prometheus seemed to go pretty smoothly too.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 01, 2015, 12:32:32 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 01, 2015, 12:32:32 PM
You know a movie is gonna suck when everything on set went smoothly.
The best movies always had lots of drama on set.
The best movies always had lots of drama on set.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomorphine on Sep 01, 2015, 01:26:49 PM
Post by: Xenomorphine on Sep 01, 2015, 01:26:49 PM
Well, they haven't begun shooting yet...
And 'Requiem' apparently had a lot of tension behind the scenes. They weren't allowed the kind of shooting schedule they needed, the Predalien design kept changing, script elements kept getting altered and so on.
And 'Requiem' apparently had a lot of tension behind the scenes. They weren't allowed the kind of shooting schedule they needed, the Predalien design kept changing, script elements kept getting altered and so on.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 01, 2015, 01:48:05 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Sep 01, 2015, 01:48:05 PM
Those were still relatively minor problems, something you get on all films.
By contrast, in Aliens you had a lead actor getting busted for possession just after the cameras started rolling, the DoP getting fired after a row with Cameron, a crew strike, accidents on set etc.
By contrast, in Aliens you had a lead actor getting busted for possession just after the cameras started rolling, the DoP getting fired after a row with Cameron, a crew strike, accidents on set etc.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Sep 01, 2015, 02:37:47 PM
Post by: T Dog on Sep 01, 2015, 02:37:47 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 31, 2015, 12:39:22 PMQuote from: Hellspawn28 on Aug 30, 2015, 08:26:10 PM
the new Fantastic Four movie. I'm a bit worry that Fox will step in and screw something up.
By all accounts they tried to salvage that film.
Well the first negative account of that film is that Fox agreed to a vision and then decided to alter said vision weeks from shooting.
A5 will be f**ked if that happens.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 02, 2015, 12:13:28 PM
Post by: DoomRulz on Sep 02, 2015, 12:13:28 PM
I think Fox learned their lesson with Alien3. I don't think A5 will be affected.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 02, 2015, 01:45:50 PM
Post by: whiterabbit on Sep 02, 2015, 01:45:50 PM
Alien³ was made over 23 years ago; I'm sure they've forgotten just how much they f**ked up that movie by now. I still don't know about this movie, they did seem to just go with bloomkamp out of a gut reaction. Not really feeling it to be honest.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: worriors on Sep 07, 2015, 09:45:44 PM
Post by: worriors on Sep 07, 2015, 09:45:44 PM
So is this actually confirmed or just rumours?
and also will it be a sequel to aliens or a sequel to promethius 2?
and also will it be a sequel to aliens or a sequel to promethius 2?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 08, 2015, 08:44:25 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Sep 08, 2015, 08:44:25 AM
Is it confirmed that Blomkamp is making an Alien 5? It certainly is. Has been since February. From reports so far it's going to be a sequel to Aliens, retconning away Alien 3 and Resurrection.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: THE CITY HUNTER on Sep 16, 2015, 03:20:32 PM
Post by: THE CITY HUNTER on Sep 16, 2015, 03:20:32 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 08, 2015, 08:44:25 AMNO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is it confirmed that Blomkamp is making an Alien 5? It certainly is. Has been since February. From reports so far it's going to be a sequel to Aliens, retconning away Alien 3 and Resurrection.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 19, 2015, 02:56:51 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Sep 19, 2015, 02:56:51 AM
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Sep 16, 2015, 03:20:32 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 08, 2015, 08:44:25 AMNO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is it confirmed that Blomkamp is making an Alien 5? It certainly is. Has been since February. From reports so far it's going to be a sequel to Aliens, retconning away Alien 3 and Resurrection.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rodewaryer on Feb 26, 2016, 08:34:55 AM
Post by: Rodewaryer on Feb 26, 2016, 08:34:55 AM
I gotta feeling the Bloomkamp one isn't to be. At least not until a later date.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2016, 08:36:39 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2016, 08:36:39 AM
I'm still confident we'll see it. Just after Covenant like they said.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Apr 29, 2016, 02:30:35 AM
Post by: marrerom on Apr 29, 2016, 02:30:35 AM
I hope that Alien Covenant is really good, but flops. This would essentially put an end to Fox green-lighting any new films and would kill Blompkamp's movie. The concept of retconning the series just so that Hick's and Newt can come back just reeks of fanboy butt hurt. Either work within existing continuity or don't bother. The last thing we need is the Alien equivalent of Terminator Genisys.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Apr 29, 2016, 02:55:21 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Apr 29, 2016, 02:55:21 PM
Ripley, I mean Weaver, said that "Alien 3 and Resurrection and how Blomkamp's sequel relates to them, stating that the new film wouldn't "wipe out" those films but "run parallel" to them."
I think this will (at the very least) be interesting to see, as I still believe (AND HOPE!) that this film may just simply be a dream and the conclusion will be how the mystery egg gets on the Sulaco. But what do I know. :P
If they really wanted to give us an alternate Alien3, I would want to see the wooden monk planet more than any others, but that is just me. It was mentioned as one of the best sci-fi movies never made, after all.
I think this will (at the very least) be interesting to see, as I still believe (AND HOPE!) that this film may just simply be a dream and the conclusion will be how the mystery egg gets on the Sulaco. But what do I know. :P
If they really wanted to give us an alternate Alien3, I would want to see the wooden monk planet more than any others, but that is just me. It was mentioned as one of the best sci-fi movies never made, after all.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Apr 29, 2016, 03:26:24 PM
Post by: T Dog on Apr 29, 2016, 03:26:24 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Apr 29, 2016, 02:30:35 AMThat's a terrible attitude!
I hope that Alien Covenant is really good, but flops. This would essentially put an end to Fox green-lighting any new films and would kill Blompkamp's movie. The concept of retconning the series just so that Hick's and Newt can come back just reeks of fanboy butt hurt. Either work within existing continuity or don't bother. The last thing we need is the Alien equivalent of Terminator Genisys.
I think the Alien 3 alternative movie idea is a poor concept but if Covenant knocks it out of the park don't you want the next Prometheus chapter?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Apr 29, 2016, 04:26:27 PM
Post by: marrerom on Apr 29, 2016, 04:26:27 PM
I'd rather have no Alien movies after Covenant then a bad one.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Apr 29, 2016, 04:36:59 PM
Post by: T Dog on Apr 29, 2016, 04:36:59 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Apr 29, 2016, 04:26:27 PMIf someone out there has a good one in them that feels fresh then I'm all for it.
I'd rather have no Alien movies after Covenant then a bad one.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 30, 2016, 07:41:30 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Apr 30, 2016, 07:41:30 AM
Indeed. I'm all for more Alien films, just want them to be good!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 30, 2016, 09:57:22 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 30, 2016, 09:57:22 PM
Not fan of Blomkamp. I like District 9 though.
I don't understand idea of this upcoming movie because I like Alien3. What's the purpose of Alien 3.2? Why doing it?
I don't understand idea of this upcoming movie because I like Alien3. What's the purpose of Alien 3.2? Why doing it?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Dec 30, 2016, 10:04:41 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 30, 2016, 10:04:41 PM
Because a lot of people would like to see Aliens get a sequel where most of the survivors aren't killed in the opening titles.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Dec 30, 2016, 10:07:55 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Dec 30, 2016, 10:07:55 PM
WHAT!!!? An Alien 3 fan recognizing this?! STOP THE RATIONALITY!!!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: echobbase79 on Dec 30, 2016, 10:17:29 PM
Post by: echobbase79 on Dec 30, 2016, 10:17:29 PM
I've never seen any of this director's work. So I ordered District 9. I've always wanted to see that.
I'm not sure if I'm a fan of his Alien 5 idea though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 30, 2016, 10:56:22 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 30, 2016, 10:56:22 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 30, 2016, 10:04:41 PM
Because a lot of people would like to see Aliens get a sequel where most of the survivors aren't killed in the opening titles.
Who cares about Hicks and Newt? Alien3 is Aliens sequel and it's story about Ripley. It's her journey. Alien movies are about solitude, death, sorrow and losing people who we love and care about. Protagonists die in Alien movies. F*ck them. It's not a bloody soap opera.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Dec 30, 2016, 10:58:01 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Dec 30, 2016, 10:58:01 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 30, 2016, 10:56:22 PMQuote from: SM on Dec 30, 2016, 10:04:41 PM
Because a lot of people would like to see Aliens get a sequel where most of the survivors aren't killed in the opening titles.
Who cares about Hicks and Newt? Alien3 is Aliens sequel and it's story about Ripley. It's her journey. Alien movies are about solitude, death, sorrow and losing people who we love and care about. Protagonists die in Alien movies. F*ck them. It's not a bloody soap opera.
Oh brother. Knew it was coming. "IT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT'S DARK AND DEPRESSING!"
What do soap operas have to do with respect for the audience? For horror films, Alien and Aliens ended pretty happily. The characters defeated the bad guys.
Please. Please.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Dec 30, 2016, 10:59:12 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 30, 2016, 10:59:12 PM
QuoteWho cares about Hicks and Newt?
A lot of people. Hence the very positive online response when it was announced.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 30, 2016, 11:00:40 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 30, 2016, 11:00:40 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 30, 2016, 10:59:12 PMQuoteWho cares about Hicks and Newt?
A lot of people. Hence the very positive online response when it was announced.
Those characters are dead. Even Ripley is dead. Period.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Dec 30, 2016, 11:02:39 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 30, 2016, 11:02:39 PM
Apparently not. It's not real. They can do what they like.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 30, 2016, 11:06:42 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 30, 2016, 11:06:42 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Dec 30, 2016, 10:58:01 PMQuote from: Ingwar on Dec 30, 2016, 10:56:22 PMQuote from: SM on Dec 30, 2016, 10:04:41 PM
Because a lot of people would like to see Aliens get a sequel where most of the survivors aren't killed in the opening titles.
Who cares about Hicks and Newt? Alien3 is Aliens sequel and it's story about Ripley. It's her journey. Alien movies are about solitude, death, sorrow and losing people who we love and care about. Protagonists die in Alien movies. F*ck them. It's not a bloody soap opera.
Oh brother. Knew it was coming. "IT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT'S DARK AND DEPRESSING!"
What do soap operas have to do with respect for the audience? For horror films, Alien and Aliens ended pretty happily. The characters defeated the bad guys.
Ended pretty happily? Almost everyone died :) I prefer Alien movie to be dark and depressing than the idea of the return of Hicks, Newt and Ripley just for the sake of fan service. Because let's be honest: it's the fan service at its best.
Quote from: SM on Dec 30, 2016, 11:02:39 PM
Apparently not. It's not real. They can do what they like.
Of course they can do what they want but it doesn't change the fact that Hicks, Newt and Ripley are dead.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Dec 30, 2016, 11:08:07 PM
Post by: windebieste on Dec 30, 2016, 11:08:07 PM
Would have been Great...
...in 1988. lol.
-Windebieste.
...in 1988. lol.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Dec 30, 2016, 11:10:31 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 30, 2016, 11:10:31 PM
QuoteOf course they can do what they want but it doesn't change the fact that Hicks, Newt and Ripley are dead.
At the moment.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Scorpio on Dec 30, 2016, 11:10:49 PM
Post by: Scorpio on Dec 30, 2016, 11:10:49 PM
I don't think general audience cares about Hicks and Newt. The return of Sigourney Weaver though would be a major drawcard (like Harrison Ford in The Force Awakens). Therefore, they don't really need to do retcon BS.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Dec 30, 2016, 11:14:28 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 30, 2016, 11:14:28 PM
The only people cracking the sads about the bringing back Ripley, Hicks and Newt are a small portion of hardcore fans who don't have enough disposable income to influence the box office.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Dec 30, 2016, 11:16:32 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Dec 30, 2016, 11:16:32 PM
Preach it SM.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 30, 2016, 11:17:52 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 30, 2016, 11:17:52 PM
Quote from: windebieste on Dec 30, 2016, 11:08:07 PM
Would have been Great...
...in 1988. lol.
-Windebieste.
Not fan of Alien 5 (3.2)?
Quote from: SM on Dec 30, 2016, 11:14:28 PM
The only people cracking the sads about the bringing back Ripley, Hicks and Newt are a small portion of hardcore fans who don't have enough disposable income to influence the box office.
Aside from small portion of hardcore fans, who knows anything about Sigourney Weaver? She was a star long time ago. Not mentioning Michael Biehn. This movie is a fan service for hardcore fans by definition and it's gonna be a flop because modern non-Alien fans completely don't care about it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Dec 30, 2016, 11:43:34 PM
Post by: windebieste on Dec 30, 2016, 11:43:34 PM
I'm in favor of Blomkamp making an 'ALIENS' movie. I think there's a lot of scope and potential there. I say bringing his sense of cinema design to a scenario where marines are facing xenos again would be more than welcome. I'd love that! Who wouldn't?
What I can't support is the return of Ripley, Newt and Hicks just because they died (unfairly) in the 3rd movie. It's the most f**ked up fan wank you could ask for. It's the worst reason to make a movie. If Blomkamp was around in 1988 prior to 'ALIEN 3' with his proposal, I'd be all for it. but 30 years later? C'mon... Ripley is dead. Weaver is going to be 70 by the time this Project goes before the camera.
What kind of movie do you really think this is going to be?
I'd rather Blomkamp salvage as much of his original proposed story and craft it with a fresh troupe of characters. You'll get a better story, a fresh take on marines vs xenos, new characters and no need for a retcon at all because the events could transpire parallel to 'ALIEN 3'.
...but some fans are "Onoes! Must have Ripley back. RETCON!!! RETCON!!! RETCON!!! RETCON!!! RETCON!!!" These people need to wake up, go outside and smell the roses.
-Windebieste.
What I can't support is the return of Ripley, Newt and Hicks just because they died (unfairly) in the 3rd movie. It's the most f**ked up fan wank you could ask for. It's the worst reason to make a movie. If Blomkamp was around in 1988 prior to 'ALIEN 3' with his proposal, I'd be all for it. but 30 years later? C'mon... Ripley is dead. Weaver is going to be 70 by the time this Project goes before the camera.
What kind of movie do you really think this is going to be?
I'd rather Blomkamp salvage as much of his original proposed story and craft it with a fresh troupe of characters. You'll get a better story, a fresh take on marines vs xenos, new characters and no need for a retcon at all because the events could transpire parallel to 'ALIEN 3'.
...but some fans are "Onoes! Must have Ripley back. RETCON!!! RETCON!!! RETCON!!! RETCON!!! RETCON!!!" These people need to wake up, go outside and smell the roses.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: echobbase79 on Dec 30, 2016, 11:50:13 PM
Post by: echobbase79 on Dec 30, 2016, 11:50:13 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 30, 2016, 11:17:52 PMQuote from: windebieste on Dec 30, 2016, 11:08:07 PM
Would have been Great...
...in 1988. lol.
-Windebieste.
Not fan of Alien 5 (3.2)?Quote from: SM on Dec 30, 2016, 11:14:28 PM
The only people cracking the sads about the bringing back Ripley, Hicks and Newt are a small portion of hardcore fans who don't have enough disposable income to influence the box office.
Aside from small portion of hardcore fans, who knows anything about Sigourney Weaver? She was a star long time ago. Not mentioning Michael Biehn. This movie is a fan service for hardcore fans by definition and it's gonna be a flop because modern non-Alien fans completely don't care about it.
Well to be fair the movie's got to be made first to say it's going to fail. :) And besides any movie can succeed if it has a good script behind it. Non-Alien fans will go see it if it looks interesting or entertaining.
I'm an agreement with you though. I hated that Hicks and Newt died in Alien3 but they did. Going back seems silly. It reminds me of when Alien: Resurrection was getting made and there were rumors that the third film was going to be a dream. I wish Resurrection was a dream.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: genocyber on Dec 31, 2016, 01:03:30 AM
Post by: genocyber on Dec 31, 2016, 01:03:30 AM
The thing about Alien 3 and Resurrection is that neither films did anything particularly good with the Ripley character, and that is why many are so gun-ho about this potential retcon. Alien 3 served to kill Ripley off, but other than that offered nothing new or exciting for her character to do. Resurrection revived her, but then made her into a half xeno superhero turning her into something of a invincible mary-su, and de-fanging the Alien as a concept.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ephemer Nine on Dec 31, 2016, 01:18:48 AM
Post by: Ephemer Nine on Dec 31, 2016, 01:18:48 AM
We might see it if Covenant does very well.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Dec 31, 2016, 02:40:25 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Dec 31, 2016, 02:40:25 AM
Quote from: genocyber on Dec 31, 2016, 01:03:30 AM
The thing about Alien 3 and Resurrection is that neither films did anything particularly good with the Ripley character, and that is why many are so gun-ho about this potential retcon. Alien 3 served to kill Ripley off, but other than that offered nothing new or exciting for her character to do. Resurrection revived her, but then made her into a half xeno superhero turning her into something of a invincible mary-su, and de-fanging the Alien as a concept.
I disagree, Alien 3 was an emotional rollercoster for Ripley and us, first she experienced a loss of another "child" as well as Hicks, then she finds out her worst nightmare had come true and has to deal with the Alien again, losing her will to live. Each incarnation of Ripley is different and apart from A:R it works since its new while keeping her core traits intact. In the first film she was a by the book warrant officer who refused to take risks by breaking rules, in the second she evolved into a more braver and risking taking person, and in the third, she becomes suicidal and emotionally exhausted, taking on an even more cynical attitude.
I agree about Resurrection, I view that film more as a parody than anything else.
Alien 3, especially the AC addition is a good entry into the franchise, problem is that it came after Aliens, which raised the bar and had an upbeat ending so such a dark film like this was going to be a major emotional drop, It also had massive production problems which should show it in a better light to those who dislike it.
Initially I was neutral on whether or not this film should be retconned because I like the film and I think its atmosphere suits the franchise, its realistic in that anyone can die, no designated hero plot armor but that said, the magic egg spoils it a little and yes, Hicks and Newt dying is a slap in the face, but its more of the way its done and its too soon in my opinion. Them dying is no issue for me because its the nature of the franchise but their deaths should have happened either half way through Alien 3 or in the next film had it been set right after the event of Alien 3. that way, we build more emotional investment into them and their deaths would be much more emotionally shocking without seeming cheap or like a slap in the face. Hicks was also meant to take over from Ripley if I recall correctly.
So on one hand I oppose a retcon but on another I wouldn't mind because by retconning Alien 3, Alien: Resurrection gets retconned too and the franchise can regain its original realistic atmosphere.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: genocyber on Dec 31, 2016, 04:22:07 AM
Post by: genocyber on Dec 31, 2016, 04:22:07 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 31, 2016, 02:40:25 AMBut its like you said, right? She already lost a child already. Making her go through another cycle of loss was simply mean spirited and redundant. The whole first act of the movie Aliens was about her realizing everyone she knew is long dead and her trying to find meaning to carry on in this new setting she is dropped in. What is the point of having the sequel do the same thing all over again with the new cast she just met? Making the main character depressed and killing herself is not a fun sit for any kind of movie. If she doesn't want to be in the movie anymore, why should the audience be invested in her? It felt more like cheap shock value that fell flat on its face. The equivalent of rocks fall, everyone dies payoff. Nobody wins.
I disagree, Alien 3 was an emotional rollercoster for Ripley and us, first she experienced a loss of another "child" as well as Hicks, then she finds out her worst nightmare had come true and has to deal with the Alien again, losing her will to live. Each incarnation of Ripley is different and apart from A:R it works since its new while keeping her core traits intact. In the first film she was a by the book warrant officer who refused to take risks by breaking rules, in the second she evolved into a more braver and risking taking person, and in the third, she becomes suicidal and emotionally exhausted, taking on an even more cynical attitude.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Lonely Universe on Dec 31, 2016, 04:35:25 AM
Post by: Lonely Universe on Dec 31, 2016, 04:35:25 AM
Alien 3: The Gun Sega arcade game was more spot on about how that movie should have went.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kel G 426 on Dec 31, 2016, 06:01:02 AM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Dec 31, 2016, 06:01:02 AM
QuoteWeaver is going to be 70 by the time this Project goes before the camera.
Christopher Lee was 80 when he hoverbiked and kicked Jedi ass in Attack Of The Clones.
There's still time!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 07:50:37 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 07:50:37 AM
QuoteAside from small portion of hardcore fans, who knows anything about Sigourney Weaver? She was a star long time ago. Not mentioning Michael Biehn. This movie is a fan service for hardcore fans by definition and it's gonna be a flop because modern non-Alien fans completely don't care about it.
Casual fans responded very positively online when it was announced.
The comment about Sigourney Weaver is laughable.
And the comment about non-Alien fans is beyond laughable.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Dec 31, 2016, 08:19:23 AM
Post by: windebieste on Dec 31, 2016, 08:19:23 AM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Dec 31, 2016, 06:01:02 AMQuoteWeaver is going to be 70 by the time this Project goes before the camera.
Christopher Lee was 80 when he hoverbiked and kicked Jedi ass in Attack Of The Clones.
There's still time!
Was this before or after Count Dooku was retconned back into the series? ...and was he gone for 30 years? Failed analogy you got there, Sonny.
Sorry. The USE BY date has expired:
LOL!
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 09:21:19 AM
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 09:21:19 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 07:50:37 AMQuoteAside from small portion of hardcore fans, who knows anything about Sigourney Weaver? She was a star long time ago. Not mentioning Michael Biehn. This movie is a fan service for hardcore fans by definition and it's gonna be a flop because modern non-Alien fans completely don't care about it.
Casual fans responded very positively online when it was announced.
The comment about Sigourney Weaver is laughable.
And the comment about non-Alien fans is beyond laughable.
Just wait and see what will happen. It'll be another Chappie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 11:39:31 AM
Post by: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 11:39:31 AM
With the 'Alien' name attached?
lol
lol
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 11:44:02 AM
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 11:44:02 AM
Quote from: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 11:39:31 AM
With the 'Alien' name attached?
lol
Yeah. Alien: Chappie ;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kel G 426 on Dec 31, 2016, 01:31:23 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Dec 31, 2016, 01:31:23 PM
Quote from: windebieste on Dec 31, 2016, 08:19:23 AMQuote from: Kelgaard on Dec 31, 2016, 06:01:02 AMQuoteWeaver is going to be 70 by the time this Project goes before the camera.
Christopher Lee was 80 when he hoverbiked and kicked Jedi ass in Attack Of The Clones.
There's still time!
Was this before or after Count Dooku was retconned back into the series? ...and was he gone for 30 years? Failed analogy you got there, Sonny.
Sorry. The USE BY date has expired:
http://social.rollins.edu/wpsites/scifiheroines/files/2014/01/Ripley1.jpg
LOL!
-Windebieste.
The point you're avoiding is that age isn't a barrier. I hear that Peter Cushing has a substantial role in Rogue One. He's dead!
Who's Sonny?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Dec 31, 2016, 02:27:09 PM
Post by: windebieste on Dec 31, 2016, 02:27:09 PM
Yeah. I get that. I have no objection to any one of any age in acting roles. I don't even object to Sigourney Weaver appearing in movies until the day she dies.
Bringing back deceased characters for no greater gain is my objection. Ripley is dead. DEAD. YOU GET THAT, Sonny? DEAD.
By the way. That wasn't Peter Cushing in 'Rogue One'. That was a computer generated likeness provided with the permission of Peter Cushing's Estate and a stand in actor. Characters and actors are 2 very different entities. Learn the difference.
lol.
-Windebieste
Bringing back deceased characters for no greater gain is my objection. Ripley is dead. DEAD. YOU GET THAT, Sonny? DEAD.
By the way. That wasn't Peter Cushing in 'Rogue One'. That was a computer generated likeness provided with the permission of Peter Cushing's Estate and a stand in actor. Characters and actors are 2 very different entities. Learn the difference.
lol.
-Windebieste
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kel G 426 on Dec 31, 2016, 02:56:13 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Dec 31, 2016, 02:56:13 PM
QuoteYeah. I get that. I have no objection to any one of any age in acting roles. I don't even object to Sigourney Weaver appearing in movies until the day she dies.
Then why did you make age an issue?
QuoteBringing back deceased characters for no greater gain is my objection.
It's a very positive emotional gain for people who like those characters and the actors who play them.
QuoteRipley is dead.
Only if you acknowledge Alien³. :P besides, most people were never bothered by Ripley's death. That's not the issue.
QuoteDEAD. YOU GET THAT, Sonny? DEAD.
Why are you yelling at me, BUCKO?
QuoteBy the way. That wasn't Peter Cushing in 'Rogue One'. That was a computer generated likeness provided with the permission of Peter Cushing's Estate and a stand in actor. Characters and actors are 2 very different entities. Learn the difference.
I know. Point stands.
QuotelolNervous?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 03:08:10 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 03:08:10 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Dec 30, 2016, 11:50:13 PM
I'm an agreement with you though. I hated that Hicks and Newt died in Alien3 but they did. Going back seems silly. It reminds me of when Alien: Resurrection was getting made and there were rumors that the third film was going to be a dream. I wish Resurrection was a dream.
Alien3 as a dream? You cannot take seriously Alien movie if it's a dream. Alien3 happened and Hicks, Newt and Ripley are dead :).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kel G 426 on Dec 31, 2016, 03:20:26 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Dec 31, 2016, 03:20:26 PM
Then why continue the debate? You have the sequel you want. Why begrudge others of the sequel they want?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 03:32:45 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Dec 31, 2016, 03:20:26 PM
Then why continue the debate? You have the sequel you want. Why begrudge others of the sequel they want?
Why continue the debate? As far as I know forum is the place for debate. For that reason we share our thoughts and concerns. Do you feel offended by that? I hope not.
Idea of Blomkamp's Alien is silly. It's fan service at its worst. It will make more mess that you can imagine. I'm not against him though. I wish him the best and would like him to make an Alien movie but not in such form.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kel G 426 on Dec 31, 2016, 03:51:30 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Dec 31, 2016, 03:51:30 PM
Until there's more news to discuss, we're just rehashing the same arguments we've had for over a year.
Blomkamp is aiming for a retcon because that's the way to have Weaver's star power in his film. No one wants the "it was all a dream" scenario and nobody wants a Resurrection sequel. It's not fan service, it's business.
Blomkamp is aiming for a retcon because that's the way to have Weaver's star power in his film. No one wants the "it was all a dream" scenario and nobody wants a Resurrection sequel. It's not fan service, it's business.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Lonely Universe on Dec 31, 2016, 08:11:14 PM
Post by: Lonely Universe on Dec 31, 2016, 08:11:14 PM
They shouldn't explain it at all. Just pick it up after Aliens & go a different route. Let people with bad taste still have the original timeline if they want.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 08:28:16 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 08:28:16 PM
Quote from: Lonely Universe on Dec 31, 2016, 08:11:14 PM
They shouldn't explain it at all. Just pick it up after Aliens & go a different route. Let people with bad taste still have the original timeline if they want.
Bad taste? Alien3 is great movie and you haven'r even seen Blomkamp's Alien because it hasn't been made yet. How do you know it's gonna be good?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: echobbase79 on Dec 31, 2016, 08:44:24 PM
Post by: echobbase79 on Dec 31, 2016, 08:44:24 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 03:08:10 PMQuote from: echobbase79 on Dec 30, 2016, 11:50:13 PM
I'm an agreement with you though. I hated that Hicks and Newt died in Alien3 but they did. Going back seems silly. It reminds me of when Alien: Resurrection was getting made and there were rumors that the third film was going to be a dream. I wish Resurrection was a dream.
Alien3 as a dream? You cannot take seriously Alien movie if it's a dream. Alien3 happened and Hicks, Newt and Ripley are dead :).
Yeah, there was some rumors where Ripley wakes from cryo sleep and Hicks and Newt are still alive. I don't know how serious it was, but they were reporting it in big Sci-Fi magazines like Cinescape and Sci-Fi Universe.
Was Chappie any good? I've never seen it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Alien Predator on Dec 31, 2016, 08:48:53 PM
Post by: The Alien Predator on Dec 31, 2016, 08:48:53 PM
Quote from: Lonely Universe on Dec 31, 2016, 08:11:14 PM
They shouldn't explain it at all. Just pick it up after Aliens & go a different route. Let people with bad taste still have the original timeline if they want.
"They don't agree with me so therefore bad taste."
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 08:52:48 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 08:52:48 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Dec 31, 2016, 08:44:24 PM
Was Chappie any good? I've never seen it.
It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen but it doesn't mean that you shouldn't watch it. Do it and make our own opinion.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Dec 31, 2016, 09:36:57 PM
Post by: windebieste on Dec 31, 2016, 09:36:57 PM
Would have been great.
In 1988.
:P
-Windebieste.
In 1988.
:P
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 10:06:57 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 10:06:57 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 08:28:16 PMQuote from: Lonely Universe on Dec 31, 2016, 08:11:14 PM
They shouldn't explain it at all. Just pick it up after Aliens & go a different route. Let people with bad taste still have the original timeline if they want.
Bad taste? Alien3 is great movie and you haven'r even seen Blomkamp's Alien because it hasn't been made yet. How do you know it's gonna be good?
How do you know it's gonna be silly?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 10:18:56 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 10:18:56 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 10:06:57 PMQuote from: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 08:28:16 PMQuote from: Lonely Universe on Dec 31, 2016, 08:11:14 PM
They shouldn't explain it at all. Just pick it up after Aliens & go a different route. Let people with bad taste still have the original timeline if they want.
Bad taste? Alien3 is great movie and you haven'r even seen Blomkamp's Alien because it hasn't been made yet. How do you know it's gonna be good?
How do you know it's gonna be silly?
Just a premonition based upon Blomkamp's recent movies (especially Chappie) and the idea of getting Hicks, Newt and Ripley back on screen? What for? I hope it's gonna be good but I sincerely doubt that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 10:30:30 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 10:30:30 PM
QuoteWhat for?
'Cos Blomkamp pitched them an idea, with Weaver on side, and Fox liked it enough that they thought it'd make them money.
Same reason any movie gets made.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 10:51:23 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 10:51:23 PM
Quote from: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 10:30:30 PMQuoteWhat for?
'Cos Blomkamp pitched them an idea, with Weaver on side, and Fox liked it enough that they thought it'd make them money.
Same reason any movie gets made.
You don't have to tell me that. I know it's about money. I wasn't asking about it. I asked: what for? Why doing this and messing with cannon?
Besides, because Fox like an idea doesn't mean it'll bring them money. It might be a flop.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kel G 426 on Dec 31, 2016, 10:58:22 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Dec 31, 2016, 10:58:22 PM
Canon is not some sacred thing that must be adhered to at all costs.
It might be a huge success.
It might be a huge success.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 11:01:17 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 11:01:17 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 10:51:23 PMQuote from: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 10:30:30 PMQuoteWhat for?
'Cos Blomkamp pitched them an idea, with Weaver on side, and Fox liked it enough that they thought it'd make them money.
Same reason any movie gets made.
You don't have to tell me that. I know it's about money. I wasn't asking about it. I asked: what for? Why doing this and messing with cannon?
Besides, because Fox like an idea doesn't mean it'll bring them money. It might be a flop.
Same risk as any other film - although with the Alien name attached it'd less of a risk (depending on the final budget).
As for messing with the canon - it paid off with Planet of the Apes.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 11:07:38 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 11:07:38 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Dec 31, 2016, 10:58:22 PM
Canon is not some sacred thing that must be adhered to at all costs.
Fine. Let them make Alien and Aliens remake and earn a lot of money! What about that?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 11:15:55 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 11:15:55 PM
Probably would make them a lot of money. But it would likely be a better choice to make a sequel to the movies that were and still are almost universally popular than remaking them.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Dec 31, 2016, 11:26:33 PM
Post by: windebieste on Dec 31, 2016, 11:26:33 PM
Wait a minute. Hasn't Ripley been brought back once already? Sometime in the 1990's..? Lemme think... hmmm... Oh Yeah! It was called 'ALIEN: Resurrection'.
You Guys must have loved that movie! It had everything. Sigourney Weaver reprising her role as 'Ripley'. It had Aliens. It had spaceships. It had guys shootin' stuff. It had exactly what the fans wanted. It was Perfect! I bet it was the Masterpiece follow up you all wanted and hold dear to your sweet little bosom, right?
Right?
I guess you want more of that. What a great movie that was! Fantastic! Everyone absolutely loved 'Ripley's return. Bring it, Blomkamp. Bring on 'ALIEN: Resurrection. Again'. It's just gotta be even better now that Sigourney is 70.
RiPLEY CANNOT DIE. EVER! (coz that would suck.)
Blomkamp's proposal...
-Windebieste.
You Guys must have loved that movie! It had everything. Sigourney Weaver reprising her role as 'Ripley'. It had Aliens. It had spaceships. It had guys shootin' stuff. It had exactly what the fans wanted. It was Perfect! I bet it was the Masterpiece follow up you all wanted and hold dear to your sweet little bosom, right?
Right?
I guess you want more of that. What a great movie that was! Fantastic! Everyone absolutely loved 'Ripley's return. Bring it, Blomkamp. Bring on 'ALIEN: Resurrection. Again'. It's just gotta be even better now that Sigourney is 70.
RiPLEY CANNOT DIE. EVER! (coz that would suck.)
Blomkamp's proposal...
Spoiler
...would have been great. In 1988.
[close]
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 01, 2017, 12:10:41 AM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 01, 2017, 12:10:41 AM
We want a good film.
If that film serves as a replacement for Alien³, then even better.
If that film serves as a replacement for Alien³, then even better.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 01, 2017, 12:13:02 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 01, 2017, 12:13:02 AM
Doesn't have to be a replacement - just an alternative.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Jan 01, 2017, 12:20:30 AM
Post by: windebieste on Jan 01, 2017, 12:20:30 AM
Doesn't even need Ripley in it and all notions of a retcon would be history.
That could be a good film too, y'know. ;)
-Windebieste.
That could be a good film too, y'know. ;)
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 01, 2017, 12:35:20 AM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 01, 2017, 12:35:20 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 10:51:23 PMQuote from: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 10:30:30 PMQuoteWhat for?
'Cos Blomkamp pitched them an idea, with Weaver on side, and Fox liked it enough that they thought it'd make them money.
Same reason any movie gets made.
You don't have to tell me that. I know it's about money. I wasn't asking about it. I asked: what for? Why doing this and messing with cannon?
Besides, because Fox like an idea doesn't mean it'll bring them money. It might be a flop.
You're just talking in circles.
Because. Fox. Thinks. It. Will. Make. Money. That's. Why. They. Greenlit. Neill's. Movie.
There's the answer for all of your WHYS.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 01, 2017, 12:47:45 AM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 01, 2017, 12:47:45 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 01, 2017, 12:20:30 AM
Doesn't even need Ripley in it and all notions of a retcon would be history.
That could be a good film too, y'know. ;)
-Windebieste.
If we get that, fine, but a retcon is so appealing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 01, 2017, 11:52:29 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 01, 2017, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 01, 2017, 12:35:20 AMQuote from: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 10:51:23 PMQuote from: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 10:30:30 PMQuoteWhat for?
'Cos Blomkamp pitched them an idea, with Weaver on side, and Fox liked it enough that they thought it'd make them money.
Same reason any movie gets made.
You don't have to tell me that. I know it's about money. I wasn't asking about it. I asked: what for? Why doing this and messing with cannon?
Besides, because Fox like an idea doesn't mean it'll bring them money. It might be a flop.
You're just talking in circles.
Because. Fox. Thinks. It. Will. Make. Money. That's. Why. They. Greenlit. Neill's. Movie.
There's the answer for all of your WHYS.
Ironically they are the reason Alien 3 suffered in the first place and made Neill want to make this movie, and if they interfere with the production on these new films then they may suck too, retcon or not. I don't get fox, they have plenty of money and a decent alien film will make them more, I don't know why they meddle all the time (especially in this particular franchise for some reason) because they putting people off aliens and consequently would not gain as much money as a critically acclaimed film. Fox has even interfered in the books and comics as well,
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Jan 01, 2017, 02:03:56 PM
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Jan 01, 2017, 02:03:56 PM
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 01, 2017, 12:20:30 AM
Doesn't even need Ripley in it and all notions of a retcon would be history.
This, this right here.
It's like making an alternate Jaws 3 that has Quint in it. Bullshit.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 01, 2017, 02:42:57 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 01, 2017, 02:42:57 PM
No, that would be rewriting Jaws 1.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 01, 2017, 02:50:02 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 01, 2017, 02:50:02 PM
And Jaws 4 basically retconned Jaws 3 anyways.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 01, 2017, 03:14:15 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 01, 2017, 03:14:15 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 01, 2017, 02:50:02 PM
And Jaws 4 basically retconned Jaws 3 anyways.
and we know how that went....
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 01, 2017, 03:15:15 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 01, 2017, 03:15:15 PM
Comparing Newt and Hicks to other dead characters doesn't work because those other characters didn't die in such a controversial way. (I realize, we're talking about Ripley at the moment, but the point still applies)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 01, 2017, 09:18:28 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 01, 2017, 09:18:28 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Jan 01, 2017, 12:10:41 AM
We want a good film.
If that film serves as a replacement for Alien³, then even better.
But Alien3 is a great movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 01, 2017, 09:49:43 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 01, 2017, 09:49:43 PM
Not for the ProKamp. You're obviously in the NoKamp.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Lonely Universe on Jan 01, 2017, 10:10:38 PM
Post by: Lonely Universe on Jan 01, 2017, 10:10:38 PM
Alien 3 is an okay movie that has the Alien name attached to it. If it didn't, no one would be talking about it today. You might find it in a 3 pack with Split Second & I Come In Peace.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Jan 02, 2017, 12:16:23 AM
Post by: windebieste on Jan 02, 2017, 12:16:23 AM
but it is an 'ALIEN' movie; and people do talk about it. What's more it's a decent movie; and substantially better than what passes as Sci-fi in the cinema today, much of which is forgotten within 12 months, let alone discussed a quarter of a Century later.
'ALIEN 3' still kicks ass - and it's getting better as time passes by. Not a lot of Sci-Fi can do that. I like to think of it as the series 'survivor. Unclouded by remorse or delusions of morality'.
Yeah. It's an 'ALIEN' movie, alright.
-Windebieste.
'ALIEN 3' still kicks ass - and it's getting better as time passes by. Not a lot of Sci-Fi can do that. I like to think of it as the series 'survivor. Unclouded by remorse or delusions of morality'.
Yeah. It's an 'ALIEN' movie, alright.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 02, 2017, 01:36:50 AM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 02, 2017, 01:36:50 AM
Ick. Neill, save us all.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Jan 02, 2017, 01:58:16 AM
Post by: windebieste on Jan 02, 2017, 01:58:16 AM
Don't worry. I'm confident Neill B. will make 'ALIEN 5'. It will just be different to what people currently believe it to be.
That's a good thing. ;D
-Windebieste.
That's a good thing. ;D
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 02, 2017, 03:52:20 AM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 02, 2017, 03:52:20 AM
It's possible, of course. I think I heard that Neill had a story with no Ripley before talking with Weaver. He may still go with that, if Weaver is too wrapped up with the Avatar sequels.
I also wonder if it's possible, that Covenant could be too successful for Alien 5. Fox may decide to skip it and move ahead with the prequel trilogy.
I also wonder if it's possible, that Covenant could be too successful for Alien 5. Fox may decide to skip it and move ahead with the prequel trilogy.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: D88M on Jan 02, 2017, 03:57:24 AM
Post by: D88M on Jan 02, 2017, 03:57:24 AM
jeez, the only good movie he did was District 9 before selling his soul to the hellish hollywood and start making bad movies, he is not even close the right person for the job, even less if he wants to ignore Alien 3 and Resurrection which is just stupid
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: echobbase79 on Jan 02, 2017, 04:20:42 AM
Post by: echobbase79 on Jan 02, 2017, 04:20:42 AM
Peter Briggs told me that Peter Jackson actually had to come in and save District 9. Apparently the first cut was a disaster.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Alien Predator on Jan 02, 2017, 05:29:44 AM
Post by: The Alien Predator on Jan 02, 2017, 05:29:44 AM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Jan 02, 2017, 03:52:20 AM
It's possible, of course. I think I heard that Neill had a story with no Ripley before talking with Weaver. He may still go with that, if Weaver is too wrapped up with the Avatar sequels.
I also wonder if it's possible, that Covenant could be too successful for Alien 5. Fox may decide to skip it and move ahead with the prequel trilogy.
I would love to see what his original idea without Ripley is. I wonder what new character he had thought up then and what they'd add to the story. This is what intrigues me and I hope to see him go down that route. It will add some interesting diversity.
Ripley's a great character, but she's had lots of movies. I'd love to see more of these unsung heroes stand up to the nightmarish Alien.
I liked Shaw despite her flaws and am excited to see Daniels in Covenant.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 03, 2017, 02:53:34 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 03, 2017, 02:53:34 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on Dec 31, 2016, 08:44:24 PMQuote from: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 03:08:10 PMQuote from: echobbase79 on Dec 30, 2016, 11:50:13 PM
I'm an agreement with you though. I hated that Hicks and Newt died in Alien3 but they did. Going back seems silly. It reminds me of when Alien: Resurrection was getting made and there were rumors that the third film was going to be a dream. I wish Resurrection was a dream.
Alien3 as a dream? You cannot take seriously Alien movie if it's a dream. Alien3 happened and Hicks, Newt and Ripley are dead :).
Yeah, there was some rumors where Ripley wakes from cryo sleep and Hicks and Newt are still alive. I don't know how serious it was, but they were reporting it in big Sci-Fi magazines like Cinescape and Sci-Fi Universe.
Was Chappie any good? I've never seen it.
It was ok. Nothing special. Copley and Chappie as a character was great though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 03, 2017, 04:30:24 PM
Post by: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 03, 2017, 04:30:24 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 30, 2016, 09:57:22 PM
Not fan of Blomkamp. I like District 9 though.
I don't understand idea of this upcoming movie because I like Alien3. What's the purpose of Alien 3.2? Why doing it?
Basically majority of fanbase loathed A3, and AR!!! ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 03, 2017, 04:41:43 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 03, 2017, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 03, 2017, 04:30:24 PMQuote from: Ingwar on Dec 30, 2016, 09:57:22 PM
Not fan of Blomkamp. I like District 9 though.
I don't understand idea of this upcoming movie because I like Alien3. What's the purpose of Alien 3.2? Why doing it?
Basically majority of fanbase loathed A3, and AR!!! ;)
The majority of the fanbase are over reactive and hyperbolic. Alien3 and A:R are only terrible movies because Alien and Aliens are so great. IMO Taken on their own merits both films are better then most of what gets released in this genre, mediocre to good if you ask me.
They just don't compare to the first 2 films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 03, 2017, 04:45:31 PM
Post by: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 03, 2017, 04:45:31 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 03, 2017, 04:41:43 PMNothing compares to the first 2 films. 8)Quote from: Pvt. Himmel on Jan 03, 2017, 04:30:24 PMQuote from: Ingwar on Dec 30, 2016, 09:57:22 PM
Not fan of Blomkamp. I like District 9 though.
I don't understand idea of this upcoming movie because I like Alien3. What's the purpose of Alien 3.2? Why doing it?
Basically majority of fanbase loathed A3, and AR!!! ;)
The majority of the fanbase are over reactive and hyperbolic. Alien3 and A:R are only terrible movies because Alien and Aliens are so great. IMO Taken on their own merits both films are better then most of what gets released in this genre, mediocre to good if you ask me.
They just don't compare to the first 2 films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Scorpio on Jan 04, 2017, 12:45:51 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Jan 04, 2017, 12:45:51 AM
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Jan 02, 2017, 05:29:44 AMQuote from: Kelgaard on Jan 02, 2017, 03:52:20 AM
It's possible, of course. I think I heard that Neill had a story with no Ripley before talking with Weaver. He may still go with that, if Weaver is too wrapped up with the Avatar sequels.
I also wonder if it's possible, that Covenant could be too successful for Alien 5. Fox may decide to skip it and move ahead with the prequel trilogy.
I would love to see what his original idea without Ripley is. I wonder what new character he had thought up then and what they'd add to the story. This is what intrigues me and I hope to see him go down that route. It will add some interesting diversity.
Ripley's a great character, but she's had lots of movies. I'd love to see more of these unsung heroes stand up to the nightmarish Alien.
I liked Shaw despite her flaws and am excited to see Daniels in Covenant.
Daniels should be in Alien 5 with some new characters. Why resurrect the dead when you have great characters already? They could make it work if she went into hypersleep after Alien Covenant, and she wakes up during the events in Alien 5. I seriously don't know why Fox isn't pursuing this, maybe they'll see the reaction to A:C first.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: echobbase79 on Jan 04, 2017, 01:00:24 AM
Post by: echobbase79 on Jan 04, 2017, 01:00:24 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 03, 2017, 02:53:34 PMQuote from: echobbase79 on Dec 31, 2016, 08:44:24 PMQuote from: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 03:08:10 PMQuote from: echobbase79 on Dec 30, 2016, 11:50:13 PM
I'm an agreement with you though. I hated that Hicks and Newt died in Alien3 but they did. Going back seems silly. It reminds me of when Alien: Resurrection was getting made and there were rumors that the third film was going to be a dream. I wish Resurrection was a dream.
Alien3 as a dream? You cannot take seriously Alien movie if it's a dream. Alien3 happened and Hicks, Newt and Ripley are dead :).
Yeah, there was some rumors where Ripley wakes from cryo sleep and Hicks and Newt are still alive. I don't know how serious it was, but they were reporting it in big Sci-Fi magazines like Cinescape and Sci-Fi Universe.
Was Chappie any good? I've never seen it.
It was ok. Nothing special. Copley and Chappie as a character was great though.
I honestly have never seen any of his work. I should be getting District 9 in the mail any day now. I watched the trailer for Chappie and the robot looks like the best part.
If this does get made I'd like to see them go back to the Gateway Station from Aliens. I think the Gibson script had that in it didn't it? There were some great action scenes in that script even though I wasn't a fan of the reproduction in it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2017, 01:09:15 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2017, 01:09:15 AM
Gibson set his script on Anchorpoint Station from memory.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: echobbase79 on Jan 04, 2017, 01:15:31 AM
Post by: echobbase79 on Jan 04, 2017, 01:15:31 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 04, 2017, 01:09:15 AM
Gibson set his script on Anchorpoint Station from memory.
Yeah that's what it was. Just went back and checked.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 04, 2017, 02:10:39 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 04, 2017, 02:10:39 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 10:51:23 PMQuote from: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 10:30:30 PMQuoteWhat for?
'Cos Blomkamp pitched them an idea, with Weaver on side, and Fox liked it enough that they thought it'd make them money.
Same reason any movie gets made.
You don't have to tell me that. I know it's about money. I wasn't asking about it. I asked: what for? Why doing this and messing with cannon?
Besides, because Fox like an idea doesn't mean it'll bring them money. It might be a flop.
The reason to mess with this canon is simple. Nobody wants to touch it with a ten foot pole. Nobody wants to continue making films in a post-Resurrection continuity. The studios know that. So its a dead end. The latter 2 films in the series are fun alternate reality takes on the series, but letting them go will resolve the "log-jam" that has happened in the series, and if done well, will allow the series to continue in a more interesting direction.
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 01, 2017, 09:18:28 PMQuote from: Kelgaard on Jan 01, 2017, 12:10:41 AM
We want a good film.
If that film serves as a replacement for Alien³, then even better.
But Alien3 is a great movie.
Alien 3 is an awesome movie. I love it as an alternate timeline. I do believe that an even better story can be made though that honors Ripley's motivations from the 2 main films in a more satisfying way.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 04, 2017, 04:19:47 AM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 04, 2017, 04:19:47 AM
Perfect-Organism I am now a fan of you. Very rational of you to set aside your partiality for Alien 3 and recognize that something more satisfactory can be mined from the foundation set down by the first two movies.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Jan 04, 2017, 04:32:47 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jan 04, 2017, 04:32:47 AM
I like the Alien 3 we got in a lot of ways... But after having read the second draft of Gibson's script, I felt rather bummed. I think that would have been the overall best script to go with. It would have touched on the last conventional plot line available - the company getting their hands on the Alien. The only other idea that would have really been satisfying would have been the Alien Homeworld idea, but I somehow doubt that was ever seriously considered for reasons of budget... Though I just imagine an entire Giger-planet with aliens all over it and can't help but think that something like "The Lost World" with Giger/Winston creature designs would have been such a compelling high note for the series to end on.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 04, 2017, 05:05:38 AM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 04, 2017, 05:05:38 AM
Could've easily done that with alien 3 or alien 4's budget in their respective years. Just would have had to be creative.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 04, 2017, 07:28:24 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 04, 2017, 07:28:24 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 04, 2017, 04:19:47 AM
Perfect-Organism I am now a fan of you. Very rational of you to set aside your partiality for Alien 3 and recognize that something more satisfactory can be mined from the foundation set down by the first two movies.
Thanks BishopShouldGo! ;) Cheers mate!
I've never come at the retcon idea from a perspective of hating Alien 3. I was actually just watching it today and I still think it's fantastic. I'm just all for a different continuity because I believe something different might have prevented the series from losing momentum. I would be up for seeing a bunch of alternate takes on the series, even with Prometheus, which is a film I really love. If several years or even decades go by and somebody wants to tell a different tale of the alien origins that actually features "real" space jockeys, a Gigeresque homeworld, or a full on earth invasion, I'd be up for that too. And you know what? I'd still love Prometheus.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2017, 09:13:39 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2017, 09:13:39 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 04, 2017, 04:32:47 AM
I like the Alien 3 we got in a lot of ways... But after having read the second draft of Gibson's script, I felt rather bummed. I think that would have been the overall best script to go with. It would have touched on the last conventional plot line available - the company getting their hands on the Alien. The only other idea that would have really been satisfying would have been the Alien Homeworld idea, but I somehow doubt that was ever seriously considered for reasons of budget... Though I just imagine an entire Giger-planet with aliens all over it and can't help but think that something like "The Lost World" with Giger/Winston creature designs would have been such a compelling high note for the series to end on.
From memory, Gibson's second draft was my favorite followed by Twohy's. Funnily enough, Covenant does seem to be taking inspiration from Gibson's first draft and Twohy's (through Spaihts').
I was surprised they never explored the Derelict or Homeworld angle until Prometheus. Was always the most intriguing direction for me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2017, 10:48:07 AM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2017, 10:48:07 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 04, 2017, 02:10:39 AMQuote from: Ingwar on Dec 31, 2016, 10:51:23 PMQuote from: SM on Dec 31, 2016, 10:30:30 PMQuoteWhat for?
'Cos Blomkamp pitched them an idea, with Weaver on side, and Fox liked it enough that they thought it'd make them money.
Same reason any movie gets made.
You don't have to tell me that. I know it's about money. I wasn't asking about it. I asked: what for? Why doing this and messing with cannon?
Besides, because Fox like an idea doesn't mean it'll bring them money. It might be a flop.
The reason to mess with this canon is simple. Nobody wants to touch it with a ten foot pole. Nobody wants to continue making films in a post-Resurrection continuity. The studios know that. So its a dead end. The latter 2 films in the series are fun alternate reality takes on the series, but letting them go will resolve the "log-jam" that has happened in the series, and if done well, will allow the series to continue in a more interesting direction.
To make an Alien movie doesn't mean you have to follow post-Resurrection continuity. There are some many great ideas about Alien saga. Look at Aliens: Defiance. Instead of messing with canon they can easily make stand-alone Alien movie(s).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 10:55:39 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 10:55:39 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2017, 09:13:39 AMFrom memory, Gibson's second draft was my favorite followed by Twohy's.
I'd probably flip those two, but they're definitely the best of the unmade scripts. My main issue with Gibson's (including draft no. 2) is his silly Thingliens. It's too much of a jump in the creature's abilities from what is seen in the first two movies for me. It's always felt a little bit like desperation to one-up the creature's established lifecycle.
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2017, 10:48:07 AMTo make an Alien movie doesn't mean you have to follow post-Resurrection continuity. There are some many great ideas about Alien saga. Look at Aliens: Defiance.
Exactly. The idea that the only other option is post-Res is very narrow-minded and restrictive.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2017, 11:09:23 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2017, 11:09:23 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 10:55:39 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2017, 09:13:39 AMFrom memory, Gibson's second draft was my favorite followed by Twohy's.
I'd probably flip those two, but they're definitely the best of the unmade scripts. My main issue with Gibson's (including draft no. 2) is his silly Thingliens. It's too much of a jump in the creature's abilities from what is seen in the first two movies for me. It's always felt a little bit like desperation to one-up the creature's established lifecycle.
It's been a good few years since I read the 2nd draft but I thought it removed a lot of the crazy spore stuff?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 11:12:15 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 11:12:15 AM
There's just one as a secondary antagonist as opposed to hundreds of them running amok. There are a couple of others that get killed before they can become a threat.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2017, 01:08:10 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2017, 01:08:10 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 10:55:39 AMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2017, 10:48:07 AMTo make an Alien movie doesn't mean you have to follow post-Resurrection continuity. There are some many great ideas about Alien saga. Look at Aliens: Defiance.
Exactly. The idea that the only other option is post-Res is very narrow-minded and restrictive.
It's very narrow-minded. They should abandon that idea and go into other direction making stand-alone Alien movie(s). One day I would love to see film adaptation of Aliens: Defiance .
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 04, 2017, 09:18:00 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 04, 2017, 09:18:00 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 10:55:39 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2017, 09:13:39 AMFrom memory, Gibson's second draft was my favorite followed by Twohy's.
I'd probably flip those two, but they're definitely the best of the unmade scripts. My main issue with Gibson's (including draft no. 2) is his silly Thingliens. It's too much of a jump in the creature's abilities from what is seen in the first two movies for me. It's always felt a little bit like desperation to one-up the creature's established lifecycle.Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2017, 10:48:07 AMTo make an Alien movie doesn't mean you have to follow post-Resurrection continuity. There are some many great ideas about Alien saga. Look at Aliens: Defiance.
Exactly. The idea that the only other option is post-Res is very narrow-minded and restrictive.
It would be narrow-minded, but that isn't what I was saying. They could easily make Alien films in all sorts of tangential directions, but nobody seems to want to take on the core story post-resurrection, and make no mistake, this is the core-story. There were no recorded encounters with the aliens prior to Alien, which implies that all encounters end fatally for the humans, or they are hidden by W-Y. There appear to have been no other significant encounters that connected to either the colonial marines or W-Y between Alien and Resurrection, otherwise, why try to use blood samples to clone Ripley?
So any other movies arguably cannot connect to the core administrative bodies in the aliens universe, which means all characters would probably die, or at any rate, the story would be self-contained and without impact on the universe. In other words, you would have another AVP. A movie which accomplishes nothing.
It is not impossible to make such films, but I prefer a story that has a broad impact or significance on humanity's relation to alien species. Mark my words. Nobody is going to make that sort of a film as a continuation to Resurrection. The best chance to see a film like this is to diverge the continuity away from Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection. It is not intended to invalidate those films. It's all fiction anyway. You can still enjoy them as a splinter of your mind's eye.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Jan 04, 2017, 10:00:40 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jan 04, 2017, 10:00:40 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2017, 09:13:39 AM
From memory, Gibson's second draft was my favorite followed by Twohy's. Funnily enough, Covenant does seem to be taking inspiration from Gibson's first draft and Twohy's (through Spaihts').
I was surprised they never explored the Derelict or Homeworld angle until Prometheus. Was always the most intriguing direction for me.
As I recall, there were five story concepts for "Alien II" before Camereon showed up, and a couple of them had to do with the derelict itself. One, as I recall, had the alien, floating in space, bumping into another ship.(CHEESE!)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 10:55:39 AM
I'd probably flip those two, but they're definitely the best of the unmade scripts. My main issue with Gibson's (including draft no. 2) is his silly Thingliens. It's too much of a jump in the creature's abilities from what is seen in the first two movies for me. It's always felt a little bit like desperation to one-up the creature's established lifecycle.
I don't know... there's interesting stuff in the Twohy script, but it's opening never did anything for me. It made it really hard for me to get into the story for some reason. I found the mystery of the Sulaco adrift in space with the UPP commandos boarding the ship a lot more compelling.
To make an Alien V post Resurrection even remotely interesting or compelling would take a lot of doing. It's not impossible, but just... Alien Resurrection is just such a shoddy narrative thread to try and pick up from. I had an idea where the USM had found some ancient structure that they couldn't get into by conventional means, but with Ripley 8's alien infused DNA they are able to open it, and basically it triggers an intergalactic apocalypse, and the Jockey's show up to finish Earth off, and Ripley becomes like a messiah type figure, leading the last of humanity to a new home. Basically, so far removed from the original Alien series as to almost be it's own thing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 10:06:23 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 10:06:23 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 04, 2017, 09:18:00 PMThere were no recorded encounters with the aliens prior to Alien...
Alien: Covenant begs to differ.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2017, 10:14:28 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2017, 10:14:28 PM
"recorded"
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 10:18:58 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 10:18:58 PM
Point being, it's clearly not impossible to do other Alien movies set before/during the existing series.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2017, 10:20:57 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2017, 10:20:57 PM
Indeed. Look at AvP.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Jan 04, 2017, 10:25:10 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jan 04, 2017, 10:25:10 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 04, 2017, 10:20:57 PM
Indeed. Look at AvP.
I mean, i'd rather not...
We could always just say that the USM were really really stupid.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2017, 10:35:08 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2017, 10:35:08 PM
To what end?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Jan 04, 2017, 10:39:19 PM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jan 04, 2017, 10:39:19 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 04, 2017, 10:35:08 PM
To what end?
I'm mostly being facetious. The science team in Resurrections rather desperate attempt to get the Alien via Ripley, and Perez' "testimony" regarding the state of the Alien species. I'm just saying it would be funny if they were just a bunch of morons and the aliens had been running amok all over the place.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2017, 10:40:31 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 04, 2017, 10:40:31 PM
Funny? Nah it'd be dumb I reckon.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 04, 2017, 11:24:49 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 04, 2017, 11:24:49 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 10:06:23 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 04, 2017, 09:18:00 PMThere were no recorded encounters with the aliens prior to Alien...
Alien: Covenant begs to differ.
Context.
The sentence was...
There were no recorded encounters with the aliens prior to Alien, which implies that all encounters end fatally for the humans, or they are hidden by W-Y.
Bottom line - you know how much of the story has to end. All of those characters will either have to die in covenant or its sequels, or become a part of some secret internal W-Y cabal, or frozen in hyper-sleep until after Alien: Resurrection. Either way, your options are, inconsequence, or convolution. It's highly unlikely that you could insert any big humanity-changing story featuring aliens into the the sequence of publicly known events between Prometheus and Alien: Resurrection.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 05, 2017, 09:31:20 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 05, 2017, 09:31:20 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Jan 04, 2017, 10:00:40 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2017, 09:13:39 AM
From memory, Gibson's second draft was my favorite followed by Twohy's. Funnily enough, Covenant does seem to be taking inspiration from Gibson's first draft and Twohy's (through Spaihts').
I was surprised they never explored the Derelict or Homeworld angle until Prometheus. Was always the most intriguing direction for me.
As I recall, there were five story concepts for "Alien II" before Camereon showed up, and a couple of them had to do with the derelict itself. One, as I recall, had the alien, floating in space, bumping into another ship.(CHEESE!)
Aye, concepts but by all accounts nothing taken further than that. One was even a prequel about how the Derelict got their iirc.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 05, 2017, 09:47:18 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 05, 2017, 09:47:18 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2017, 01:08:10 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 10:55:39 AMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2017, 10:48:07 AMTo make an Alien movie doesn't mean you have to follow post-Resurrection continuity. There are some many great ideas about Alien saga. Look at Aliens: Defiance.
Exactly. The idea that the only other option is post-Res is very narrow-minded and restrictive.
It's very narrow-minded. They should abandon that idea and go into other direction making stand-alone Alien movie(s). One day I would love to see film adaptation of Aliens: Defiance .
I hope not, Aliens:Defiance's last two issues has been a continuity and lore wrecker
Spoiler
One woman is attacked by facehuggers but she kills all but one which manages to get on her and only for a few moments before she somehow manages to push it off her face, she is saved by Davis who kills the facehugger but the end of the issue and confirmed in issue 7 show that she was impregnated....and it was only on her face for just moments, what happened 16-24 hours, its even worse than AVP's life-cycle and I didn't think it could get worse.
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Alien 3 suffers more because of Aliens, Cameron raised the bar too high and everyone's expectations went through the roof. Alien 3 is a decent film, its tone shows the universe in a realistic light, it does away with plot armor concepts. Its an under appreciated film, it doesn't really need retconning, most of people's reasons her is Hicks, Newt and Ripley rather the wanting the retcon to do away with Resurrection. I don't like the way Hicks and Newt are dead, but their deaths don't bother me because it sells the tone of the film and shows just how cruel the universe is..
I like Ripley but her story was told and is over, and I was upset but also satisfied with that, I mean if she lived....then what more wackiness situation would have to convince her to fight aliens....again?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Lonely Universe on Jan 05, 2017, 01:39:59 PM
Post by: Lonely Universe on Jan 05, 2017, 01:39:59 PM
I'm equally if not moreso bothered by Resurrection. I support the retcon but at least A3 doesn't seem like it was written by a child.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 05, 2017, 02:43:26 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 05, 2017, 02:43:26 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 05, 2017, 09:47:18 AMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2017, 01:08:10 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 10:55:39 AMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2017, 10:48:07 AMTo make an Alien movie doesn't mean you have to follow post-Resurrection continuity. There are some many great ideas about Alien saga. Look at Aliens: Defiance.
Exactly. The idea that the only other option is post-Res is very narrow-minded and restrictive.
It's very narrow-minded. They should abandon that idea and go into other direction making stand-alone Alien movie(s). One day I would love to see film adaptation of Aliens: Defiance .
I hope not, Aliens:Defiance's last two issues has been a continuity and lore wreckerSpoiler
One woman is attacked by facehuggers but she kills all but one which manages to get on her and only for a few moments before she somehow manages to push it off her face, she is saved by Davis who kills the facehugger but the end of the issue and confirmed in issue 7 show that she was impregnated....and it was only on her face for just moments, what happened 16-24 hours, its even worse than AVP's life-cycle and I didn't think it could get worse.[close]
Alien 3 suffers more because of Aliens, Cameron raised the bar too high and everyone's expectations went through the roof. Alien 3 is a decent film, its tone shows the universe in a realistic light, it does away with plot armor concepts. Its an under appreciated film, it doesn't really need retconning, most of people's reasons her is Hicks, Newt and Ripley rather the wanting the retcon to do away with Resurrection. I don't like the way Hicks and Newt are dead, but their deaths don't bother me because it sells the tone of the film and shows just how cruel the universe is..
I like Ripley but her story was told and is over, and I was upset but also satisfied with that, I mean if she lived....then what more wackiness situation would have to convince her to fight aliens....again?
I think you misunderstood the defiance comic.
Spoiler
Hollis was impregnated sometime before she hooked up with Zula and was attacked by the facehuggers, she had a queen in her, thus the extended incubation time. It has been debated why they attacked her at all, but we have no proof of how easily a facehugger can detect impregnation anyway so I can forgive it. Its probably why she was able to push the hugger away at all.
Also I thought Hollis killed a couple facehuggers and Davis/Zula took care of the rest when the door opened?
Also I thought Hollis killed a couple facehuggers and Davis/Zula took care of the rest when the door opened?
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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Alien Predator on Jan 05, 2017, 08:20:18 PM
Post by: The Alien Predator on Jan 05, 2017, 08:20:18 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 05, 2017, 02:43:26 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Jan 05, 2017, 09:47:18 AMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2017, 01:08:10 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 10:55:39 AMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2017, 10:48:07 AMTo make an Alien movie doesn't mean you have to follow post-Resurrection continuity. There are some many great ideas about Alien saga. Look at Aliens: Defiance.
Exactly. The idea that the only other option is post-Res is very narrow-minded and restrictive.
It's very narrow-minded. They should abandon that idea and go into other direction making stand-alone Alien movie(s). One day I would love to see film adaptation of Aliens: Defiance .
I hope not, Aliens:Defiance's last two issues has been a continuity and lore wreckerSpoiler
One woman is attacked by facehuggers but she kills all but one which manages to get on her and only for a few moments before she somehow manages to push it off her face, she is saved by Davis who kills the facehugger but the end of the issue and confirmed in issue 7 show that she was impregnated....and it was only on her face for just moments, what happened 16-24 hours, its even worse than AVP's life-cycle and I didn't think it could get worse.[close]
Alien 3 suffers more because of Aliens, Cameron raised the bar too high and everyone's expectations went through the roof. Alien 3 is a decent film, its tone shows the universe in a realistic light, it does away with plot armor concepts. Its an under appreciated film, it doesn't really need retconning, most of people's reasons her is Hicks, Newt and Ripley rather the wanting the retcon to do away with Resurrection. I don't like the way Hicks and Newt are dead, but their deaths don't bother me because it sells the tone of the film and shows just how cruel the universe is..
I like Ripley but her story was told and is over, and I was upset but also satisfied with that, I mean if she lived....then what more wackiness situation would have to convince her to fight aliens....again?
I think you misunderstood the defiance comic.Spoiler
Hollis was impregnated sometime before she hooked up with Zula and was attacked by the facehuggers, she had a queen in her, thus the extended incubation time. It has been debated why they attacked her at all, but we have no proof of how easily a facehugger can detect impregnation anyway so I can forgive it. Its probably why she was able to push the hugger away at all.
Also I thought Hollis killed a couple facehuggers and Davis/Zula took care of the rest when the door opened?[close]
Spoiler
I remember someone mentioning that Facehuggers may not have a clue of who is impregnated or not until they latch onto them.
Also, this could be why one latched onto RIpley-8 while most adult Aliens seemed more "connected" to her in a way.
Plus a script for Resurrection had Call get Facehugged, but then it unlatches, inspects her nostrils and then scurries away upon realising she is a Synthetic.
This is another little thing you notice in the game AvP2: Primal Hunt. The Facehuggers attack the Ancient Predator despite him still having the Chestburster in him. :P
Also, this could be why one latched onto RIpley-8 while most adult Aliens seemed more "connected" to her in a way.
Plus a script for Resurrection had Call get Facehugged, but then it unlatches, inspects her nostrils and then scurries away upon realising she is a Synthetic.
This is another little thing you notice in the game AvP2: Primal Hunt. The Facehuggers attack the Ancient Predator despite him still having the Chestburster in him. :P
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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 05, 2017, 10:02:08 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 05, 2017, 10:02:08 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 05, 2017, 02:43:26 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Jan 05, 2017, 09:47:18 AMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2017, 01:08:10 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 04, 2017, 10:55:39 AMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 04, 2017, 10:48:07 AMTo make an Alien movie doesn't mean you have to follow post-Resurrection continuity. There are some many great ideas about Alien saga. Look at Aliens: Defiance.
Exactly. The idea that the only other option is post-Res is very narrow-minded and restrictive.
It's very narrow-minded. They should abandon that idea and go into other direction making stand-alone Alien movie(s). One day I would love to see film adaptation of Aliens: Defiance .
I hope not, Aliens:Defiance's last two issues has been a continuity and lore wreckerSpoiler
One woman is attacked by facehuggers but she kills all but one which manages to get on her and only for a few moments before she somehow manages to push it off her face, she is saved by Davis who kills the facehugger but the end of the issue and confirmed in issue 7 show that she was impregnated....and it was only on her face for just moments, what happened 16-24 hours, its even worse than AVP's life-cycle and I didn't think it could get worse.[close]
Alien 3 suffers more because of Aliens, Cameron raised the bar too high and everyone's expectations went through the roof. Alien 3 is a decent film, its tone shows the universe in a realistic light, it does away with plot armor concepts. Its an under appreciated film, it doesn't really need retconning, most of people's reasons her is Hicks, Newt and Ripley rather the wanting the retcon to do away with Resurrection. I don't like the way Hicks and Newt are dead, but their deaths don't bother me because it sells the tone of the film and shows just how cruel the universe is..
I like Ripley but her story was told and is over, and I was upset but also satisfied with that, I mean if she lived....then what more wackiness situation would have to convince her to fight aliens....again?
I think you misunderstood the defiance comic.Spoiler
Hollis was impregnated sometime before she hooked up with Zula and was attacked by the facehuggers, she had a queen in her, thus the extended incubation time. It has been debated why they attacked her at all, but we have no proof of how easily a facehugger can detect impregnation anyway so I can forgive it. Its probably why she was able to push the hugger away at all.
Also I thought Hollis killed a couple facehuggers and Davis/Zula took care of the rest when the door opened?[close]
That actually would be more plausible but
Spoiler
as you mentioned, her still getting attacked raises questions, Xenomorphs can sense incubated embryos, Alien 3 shows this and so does A:CM and in that game, a facehugger runs away from Lisbeth, not towards her.
Davis killed the one trying to clamp back on I believe, can't recall if there was more.
Davis killed the one trying to clamp back on I believe, can't recall if there was more.
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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 05, 2017, 10:28:02 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 05, 2017, 10:28:02 PM
Spoiler
We don't exactly know what facehuggers can and can't sense. Maybe they need to attach before sensing an existing embryo. Or maybe it was an oversight in the writing. A:CM is neither here nor there.
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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 05, 2017, 10:49:39 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 05, 2017, 10:49:39 PM
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Perhaps, but it doesn't make sense from an evolution standpoint, it would be a waste of energy for the facehuggers to attack an already implanted host, WYR mentions that they can only survive out the egg for about a 120 hours, of course I think that was noted anecdote.
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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 06, 2017, 09:55:20 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 06, 2017, 09:55:20 PM
Adaptation doesn't have to be exactly the same as the original source.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 06, 2017, 10:00:21 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 06, 2017, 10:00:21 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 06, 2017, 09:55:20 PM
Adaptation doesn't have to be exactly the same as the original source.
That is true...but that is not always for the best. Actually most cases if not all, always has some deviation from the source.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 06, 2017, 11:09:01 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 06, 2017, 11:09:01 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 06, 2017, 10:00:21 PMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 06, 2017, 09:55:20 PM
Adaptation doesn't have to be exactly the same as the original source.
That is true...but that is not always for the best. Actually most cases if not all, always has some deviation from the source.
It depends. Blade Runner as a movie is way better than the book itself. I don't mind changes from the source as long as they work.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Jan 06, 2017, 11:31:50 PM
Post by: windebieste on Jan 06, 2017, 11:31:50 PM
It's a completely different interpretation. Blade Runner is essentially the basic plot of the book made for cinema. There is so much rich detail in the book that is absent from the movie, or otherwise outright altered.
I'm so glad that the movie isn't called 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?' as it's really not the book at all. Hell. There isn't even any sheep in the movie which is a key element in the book that drives much of Deckard's motives for pursuing androids in the first place. (He owns a fake and he wants a real one, which, in the largely unpopulated, post apocalyptic world depicted the book, are very, very expensive and regarded as a status symbol) and his wife is addicted to the equivalent of 'The World of Warcraft' (Prophetic for a novel written in 1968 about the early 21st Century!) ...and that's just the first chapter.
'Blade Runner' is an adaptation of some of the themes Dick explored in the book. The screenwriters pared it back to the essential elements they could shoot for cinema. Comparisons are welcome, of course, but the movie remains to be a very loose exploration of the basic plot line, ignoring much of story and placing what amounts to a bare bones synopsis that takes place in a very different environment and a very different medium.
That's OK if you don't like the book. A lot of people prefer the movie. Just keep in mind there is so much more content from the original source material that we are missing out on as a whole.
-Windebieste.
I'm so glad that the movie isn't called 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?' as it's really not the book at all. Hell. There isn't even any sheep in the movie which is a key element in the book that drives much of Deckard's motives for pursuing androids in the first place. (He owns a fake and he wants a real one, which, in the largely unpopulated, post apocalyptic world depicted the book, are very, very expensive and regarded as a status symbol) and his wife is addicted to the equivalent of 'The World of Warcraft' (Prophetic for a novel written in 1968 about the early 21st Century!) ...and that's just the first chapter.
'Blade Runner' is an adaptation of some of the themes Dick explored in the book. The screenwriters pared it back to the essential elements they could shoot for cinema. Comparisons are welcome, of course, but the movie remains to be a very loose exploration of the basic plot line, ignoring much of story and placing what amounts to a bare bones synopsis that takes place in a very different environment and a very different medium.
That's OK if you don't like the book. A lot of people prefer the movie. Just keep in mind there is so much more content from the original source material that we are missing out on as a whole.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Lonely Universe on Jan 07, 2017, 08:31:55 AM
Post by: Lonely Universe on Jan 07, 2017, 08:31:55 AM
See how steep that dropoff is? See?
Okay.
Retcon good.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 07, 2017, 09:08:29 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 07, 2017, 09:08:29 AM
Quote from: Lonely Universe on Jan 07, 2017, 08:31:55 AM
See how steep that dropoff is? See?
Okay.
Retcon good.
Retcon not only good but necessary.
The alien story which started with Ripley is the core story of the series. There are currently great tangential stories being made, and I am sure that it would be possible to make completely unrelated, sidebar stories that may be quite good, but the real interest is in the core story. That partly means Ripley's story, but mostly it is the story which has the most impact on humanity that is of interest.
That core story has been deeply fractured and nobody wants to continue its thread. So if we want the core story to proceed, it needs to be somehow reset. Blomkamp's film holds that promise. There's no way to know if it will be successful, but it does hold that promise.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 07, 2017, 09:37:59 AM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 07, 2017, 09:37:59 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 06, 2017, 11:31:50 PM
It's a completely different interpretation. Blade Runner is essentially the basic plot of the book made for cinema. There is so much rich detail in the book that is absent from the movie, or otherwise outright altered. I'm so glad that the movie isn't called 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?' as it's really not the book at all.
-Windebieste.
Agree because movie is an adaptation based upon the book. Have to read book again though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 03:30:58 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 03:30:58 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 07, 2017, 09:08:29 AMQuote from: Lonely Universe on Jan 07, 2017, 08:31:55 AM
See how steep that dropoff is? See?
Okay.
Retcon good.
Retcon not only good but necessary.
The alien story which started with Ripley is the core story of the series. There are currently great tangential stories being made, and I am sure that it would be possible to make completely unrelated, sidebar stories that may be quite good, but the real interest is in the core story. That partly means Ripley's story, but mostly it is the story which has the most impact on humanity that is of interest.
That core story has been deeply fractured and nobody wants to continue its thread. So if we want the core story to proceed, it needs to be somehow reset. Blomkamp's film holds that promise. There's no way to know if it will be successful, but it does hold that promise.
Maybe they should call it Ripley, not Alien then...
look Ripley is a great character but it is stupid to keep using her all the time. How many times would someone realistically face the worst thing ever? In Aliens it was to wipe them and put her demons to rest and in Alien 3, one was on board so there was no choice for her there.
A retcon would need find a plausible reason for Ripley to go back deal with the Aliens again and to be there, it is tiring. She is supposed to be normal human just trying to survive, not Rambo who goes to war.
Alien is not about Ripley, she is not the core, she is just the counter to it, just a character, a very very awesome one, not disputing that but a character nonetheless, this is not supposed to be a diary franchise, chronicling her events.
Resurrection shows just what happens when you can't let go of Ripley.
So no, I don't see the point in revolving the story around her again and again, New characters (or Hicks takeover at the very least) please.
If Ripley is back in this next film, its needs to be a passing of the torch.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Jan 07, 2017, 05:39:59 PM
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Jan 07, 2017, 05:39:59 PM
Quote from: Lonely Universe on Jan 07, 2017, 08:31:55 AM
See how steep that dropoff is? See?
Okay.
Retcon good.
This proves nothing. I mean, how many people would actually cite A3 or AR as their favourite Alien film?
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 03:30:58 PM
Resurrection shows just what happens when you can't let go of Ripley.
Bingo.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 07, 2017, 06:20:15 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 07, 2017, 06:20:15 PM
Resurrection wasn't bad because of Ripley.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Jan 07, 2017, 06:27:29 PM
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Jan 07, 2017, 06:27:29 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 07, 2017, 06:20:15 PM
Resurrection wasn't bad because of Ripley.
"Was it everything you hoped for?" :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 06:43:02 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 06:43:02 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 07, 2017, 06:20:15 PM
Resurrection wasn't bad because of Ripley.
Ripley was a part of the problem yes, her cloning and super powers completely toppled the serious tone of the previous films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 07, 2017, 07:05:25 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 07, 2017, 07:05:25 PM
Nahh. Still want the retcon tho.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 07:11:32 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 07:11:32 PM
Not opposing your desire.
I, myself half want a retcon just to get rid of Resurrection and restore the serious tone of the franchise, but I liked alien 3 and have no issue with Ripley's death, or Hicks and Newt's, though the manner of it something I disagree with.
Alien 3 just came at the wrong time...after Aliens, which set the bar too high and was too much of an upbeat film that such a dark film like Alien 3 came as a hell of a drop.
I, myself half want a retcon just to get rid of Resurrection and restore the serious tone of the franchise, but I liked alien 3 and have no issue with Ripley's death, or Hicks and Newt's, though the manner of it something I disagree with.
Alien 3 just came at the wrong time...after Aliens, which set the bar too high and was too much of an upbeat film that such a dark film like Alien 3 came as a hell of a drop.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2017, 08:57:40 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2017, 08:57:40 PM
Also cheaply killing off survivors of previous film in opening titles and replacing them with faceless rapists and murderers who exist solely to run down dark corridors shouting "f**k" and being chased by a dodgy special effect.
And having the audience ahead of Ripley for half the film.
And having the audience ahead of Ripley for half the film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 07, 2017, 09:05:12 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 07, 2017, 09:05:12 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 07:11:32 PM
Not opposing your desire.
I, myself half want a retcon just to get rid of Resurrection and restore the serious tone of the franchise, but I liked alien 3 and have no issue with Ripley's death, or Hicks and Newt's, though the manner of it something I disagree with.
Alien 3 just came at the wrong time...after Aliens, which set the bar too high and was too much of an upbeat film that such a dark film like Alien 3 came as a hell of a drop.
Like SM said, I don't think it was really the tone that tanked it, but a lot of problems with the script that pissed folk off.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 09:18:37 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 09:18:37 PM
No, the tone by itself wasn't an issue but Alien 3 was quite dark when the last film was optimistic and ended on a "happy" note whereas the first Alien film had an uncertain ending.
The dark tone is not bad or a problem by itself because it sells the movie, its just after what it came after....hell of a mood swing for us.
Alien 3 is a film that would have worked if it was the 4th Alien film,that way the intermediate film could balance the different tones and Hicks and Newt's deaths could have been done differently or not at all, as Ripley's death could have been a passing of the torch so to speak.
The dark tone is not bad or a problem by itself because it sells the movie, its just after what it came after....hell of a mood swing for us.
Alien 3 is a film that would have worked if it was the 4th Alien film,that way the intermediate film could balance the different tones and Hicks and Newt's deaths could have been done differently or not at all, as Ripley's death could have been a passing of the torch so to speak.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2017, 09:26:07 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2017, 09:26:07 PM
The big mood swing from Alien to Aliens didn't do any harm.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Jan 07, 2017, 09:32:59 PM
Post by: windebieste on Jan 07, 2017, 09:32:59 PM
Neither of which warrant the movie being retconned. For all of its problems, it's still a decent movie and a damned fine 'ALIEN' piece.
While I agree with much of the points above, we need movies that step outside of our comfort zones and that's what this series is all about. Too many times big studios make safe decisions and the result is much like so much homogenised content already on the market.
I don't see trading in a bold movie like this for what amounts to Round 2 of 'bullet proof' characters that aren't allowed to die running around doing the same things they did previously. Leave that to Disney. I need my entertainment to be be challenging as much as it is light and easy to digest. As it is, however, with Disney dominating the big fluffy comic book action scene with 'Marvel' and 'Star Wars' we need meatier, grounded and challenging scenarios as well. Anything 'ALIEN' needs that harsh edge - and 'ALIEN 3' delivers it in spades.
Blomkamp's current proposal is so much of a pipe dream. How much more appropriate would it have been if he was around in 1988 to present this to Fox? Then it would have made sense. As it is now, being Ripley's 2nd 'Resurrection', all the sense of vulnerability and apprehension that is at the core of these movies evaporates.
Ripley already has super powers (corrosive blood, super senses, ridiculous strength) by the time of the 4th movie. What exactly is there to give her now?
A cape? lol.
-Windebieste.
While I agree with much of the points above, we need movies that step outside of our comfort zones and that's what this series is all about. Too many times big studios make safe decisions and the result is much like so much homogenised content already on the market.
I don't see trading in a bold movie like this for what amounts to Round 2 of 'bullet proof' characters that aren't allowed to die running around doing the same things they did previously. Leave that to Disney. I need my entertainment to be be challenging as much as it is light and easy to digest. As it is, however, with Disney dominating the big fluffy comic book action scene with 'Marvel' and 'Star Wars' we need meatier, grounded and challenging scenarios as well. Anything 'ALIEN' needs that harsh edge - and 'ALIEN 3' delivers it in spades.
Blomkamp's current proposal is so much of a pipe dream. How much more appropriate would it have been if he was around in 1988 to present this to Fox? Then it would have made sense. As it is now, being Ripley's 2nd 'Resurrection', all the sense of vulnerability and apprehension that is at the core of these movies evaporates.
Ripley already has super powers (corrosive blood, super senses, ridiculous strength) by the time of the 4th movie. What exactly is there to give her now?
A cape? lol.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 09:42:06 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 09:42:06 PM
There wasn't much of a mood swing there since Alien did not have the nihilistic despairing tone of Alien 3
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2017, 09:50:55 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2017, 09:50:55 PM
Nor did it have lots of noisy guns and explosions and combat and an Alien horde.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Jan 07, 2017, 09:53:02 PM
Post by: SiL on Jan 07, 2017, 09:53:02 PM
Or Bill Paxton.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2017, 09:54:00 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2017, 09:54:00 PM
Yeah, or noisy Bill Paxton.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 09:54:09 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 09:54:09 PM
Aliens had a lot of tense and quiet moments too, so its differences were minor in tone compared to Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Jan 07, 2017, 09:55:40 PM
Post by: SiL on Jan 07, 2017, 09:55:40 PM
They weren't minor. Alien was a brooding horror film; Aliens was an action-horror movie complete with one-liners, 80s machismo, and a super cool robot fight at the end.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 09:59:19 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 09:59:19 PM
Aliens was more about terror than horror actually and a lot of tense moments, which it shared with Alien. Alien 3 was much more depressing and despair ridden with virtual certainty of death for Ripley.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2017, 10:04:11 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2017, 10:04:11 PM
Aliens ended with a 45 minute action sequence.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 10:08:27 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 10:08:27 PM
Point being? Aliens is like 2 hours long and not all of it is action packed.
Anyway, my whole point was that Alien3 is crapped on way too much, and other than the obvious production issues, part of the blame is the bar that was raised by Aliens.
Just because Hicks, Newt and Ripley are sleeping with the space fishes, that is no excuse for a retcon. People are too hung up on the past.
Anyway, my whole point was that Alien3 is crapped on way too much, and other than the obvious production issues, part of the blame is the bar that was raised by Aliens.
Just because Hicks, Newt and Ripley are sleeping with the space fishes, that is no excuse for a retcon. People are too hung up on the past.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2017, 10:12:42 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2017, 10:12:42 PM
QuotePoint being?
"Mood swing" I believe is the term du jour.
Alien3 is crapped on usually for entirely legitimate reasons. Problem in fan circles is it somehow gets deified. The inferior Assembly Cut even more so.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 10:15:04 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 10:15:04 PM
Aliens ended on a happy note and Alien 3 started on extremely dark note, that is a major mood swing.
Not denying that, but certain things did not help and Alien 3 may have been reviewed better if there was another film before it and slowly worked its way towards that tone.
Not denying that, but certain things did not help and Alien 3 may have been reviewed better if there was another film before it and slowly worked its way towards that tone.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2017, 10:16:26 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2017, 10:16:26 PM
If would have been reviewed better if it were a better film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 10:21:00 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 10:21:00 PM
Obvious aside, not necessarily. Alien 3 is not the best film no, but comparing it to classics is not going to help it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2017, 10:30:58 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 07, 2017, 10:30:58 PM
It's very flawed without bringing other films into it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 10:32:38 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 07, 2017, 10:32:38 PM
Still not denying that, I only said it didn't help which is true.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 07, 2017, 11:53:33 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 07, 2017, 11:53:33 PM
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 07, 2017, 09:32:59 PM
Neither of which warrant the movie being retconned. For all of its problems, it's still a decent movie and a damned fine 'ALIEN' piece.
While I agree with much of the points above, we need movies that step outside of our comfort zones and that's what this series is all about. Too many times big studios make safe decisions and the result is much like so much homogenised content already on the market.
I don't see trading in a bold movie like this for what amounts to Round 2 of 'bullet proof' characters that aren't allowed to die running around doing the same things they did previously. Leave that to Disney. I need my entertainment to be be challenging as much as it is light and easy to digest. As it is, however, with Disney dominating the big fluffy comic book action scene with 'Marvel' and 'Star Wars' we need meatier, grounded and challenging scenarios as well. Anything 'ALIEN' needs that harsh edge - and 'ALIEN 3' delivers it in spades.
Blomkamp's current proposal is so much of a pipe dream. How much more appropriate would it have been if he was around in 1988 to present this to Fox? Then it would have made sense. As it is now, being Ripley's 2nd 'Resurrection', all the sense of vulnerability and apprehension that is at the core of these movies evaporates.
Ripley already has super powers (corrosive blood, super senses, ridiculous strength) by the time of the 4th movie. What exactly is there to give her now?
A cape? lol.
-Windebieste.
You keep saying this over and over, and it never made sense. I'm referring to the idea that it would have been good in 1988, but not now. The opposite is true...
Assuming that the Derelict was destroyed in Aliens, the likelihood of an encounter with the Aliens two years after the events of Aliens would have been slim. It is likely that it would take 30+ years for humanity to encounter the aliens again (as is actually evidenced by Alien: Resurrection). So in 1988, you would have a film that might as well take place 30 years after the events of Aliens, in which case Sigourney would have been too young to play that role. Now we have a scenario where 30 years passed since the events of Aliens, and a chance encounter with the Aliens is realistic. It is not far-fetched that Ripley and her pals would still want to wipe the creatures out after 30 years of nightmares. It's not like Ripley, Hicks and co would actually run into them somewhere. Most likely, Hicks would be called in as a consultant to WY, but secretly he would enlist Ripley and Rebecca to sabotage the WY mission in order to destroy the aliens. This is the most likely scenario. The timing is perfect, and it is the most likely, the most realistic, the most satisfying continuation of the Aliens story. It is neither unnecessarily negative or positive. It is just a natural progression.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 12:14:51 AM
Post by: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 12:14:51 AM
That's a lot of assumptions you have going right there.
Which leads to the obvious question: How is an assumption 'true?'
-Windebieste.
Which leads to the obvious question: How is an assumption 'true?'
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 01:14:56 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 01:14:56 AM
They're not assumptions. I'm talking about what is likely vs, what is contrived. If you accept Alien 3 and Resurrection as canon, then it is a FACT that there are no further recorded encounters with the aliens between the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection. The exception to that being if there is some sort of convoluted inner-cabal at Wal-mart / W-Y.
However, if you don't count those films as canon, and you have a blank canvas in front of you, then it is more likely that you would encounter the aliens again after 30 + years, than 2 years after. Again, this takes into account that the derelict is destroyed, which has to be a fact if Alien: resurrection is considered canon. The odds of running into the aliens again completely independently of the derelict within 2 years are slim. Just consider how long it is taking us to find any indication of extra-terrestrial life right now.
Your concern is that we would have a scenario where Ripley once again accidentally encounters the aliens, which would put her in some sort of super-hero territory. How could one person have so much bad luck? Your concern is valid, and I don't think anybody wants that. The fact that we actually already have a super-hero Ripley as per A:R notwithstanding.
I don't think retcon proponents want to have a desire for a gloomy or overly cheerful film. They want something that is likely and realistic.
If you consider Ripley's encounter with the aliens in the Aliens film, it is not coincidental. She doesn't run into them randomly in space. She has moral motivations that don't allow her to ignore the plight of families that are exposed to the aliens on LV-426. She has a legitimate motivation to encounter the aliens again. The motivations in Alien 3 are unlikely, and in fact contrived. The odds that she would be so stupid as to allow the aliens to remain on the Sulaco are slim to none.
So, ignoring ALien 3, if she finds out 30 years down the road that the aliens have been discovered again, randomly, by some other people, her response to intervene, would be a likely one, and it would be fully consistent with her character, without taking her into super-hero territory.
It's not about people wanting a perfect happy family thing as you are always saying. Nor is it about wanting the Alien universe to be unrealistically gloomy, where everyone has to be killed off as per trope. People just want the alien stories to be grounded in realism and likelihood. Blomkamp's film offers that possibility. Will it deliver? Who knows? But it is the best chance right now to fix the core story in the series.
However, if you don't count those films as canon, and you have a blank canvas in front of you, then it is more likely that you would encounter the aliens again after 30 + years, than 2 years after. Again, this takes into account that the derelict is destroyed, which has to be a fact if Alien: resurrection is considered canon. The odds of running into the aliens again completely independently of the derelict within 2 years are slim. Just consider how long it is taking us to find any indication of extra-terrestrial life right now.
Your concern is that we would have a scenario where Ripley once again accidentally encounters the aliens, which would put her in some sort of super-hero territory. How could one person have so much bad luck? Your concern is valid, and I don't think anybody wants that. The fact that we actually already have a super-hero Ripley as per A:R notwithstanding.
I don't think retcon proponents want to have a desire for a gloomy or overly cheerful film. They want something that is likely and realistic.
If you consider Ripley's encounter with the aliens in the Aliens film, it is not coincidental. She doesn't run into them randomly in space. She has moral motivations that don't allow her to ignore the plight of families that are exposed to the aliens on LV-426. She has a legitimate motivation to encounter the aliens again. The motivations in Alien 3 are unlikely, and in fact contrived. The odds that she would be so stupid as to allow the aliens to remain on the Sulaco are slim to none.
So, ignoring ALien 3, if she finds out 30 years down the road that the aliens have been discovered again, randomly, by some other people, her response to intervene, would be a likely one, and it would be fully consistent with her character, without taking her into super-hero territory.
It's not about people wanting a perfect happy family thing as you are always saying. Nor is it about wanting the Alien universe to be unrealistically gloomy, where everyone has to be killed off as per trope. People just want the alien stories to be grounded in realism and likelihood. Blomkamp's film offers that possibility. Will it deliver? Who knows? But it is the best chance right now to fix the core story in the series.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 08, 2017, 01:30:56 AM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 08, 2017, 01:30:56 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 07, 2017, 08:57:40 PM
Also cheaply killing off survivors of previous film in opening titles and replacing them with faceless rapists and murderers who exist solely to run down dark corridors shouting "f**k" and being chased by a dodgy special effect.
And having the audience ahead of Ripley for half the film.
SM doing the Lord's work.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 01:31:08 AM
Post by: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 01:31:08 AM
Still just assumptions on your part.
Beside we already know that Ash tells Ripley "Ripley, for God's sake, this is the first time that we've encountered a species like this.." and yet we have 'Prometheus' and 'ALIEN: Covenant'. Despite having taken place decades prior to the events of 'ALIEN' it's obvious these are isolated incidents the crew of the Nostromo are not aware of.
That's how to treat 'ALIEN 5' as an isolated incident parallel to 'ALIEN 3'. There's no need for 'She Who Cannot Die' to appear at all. It would be a much better movie for it.
I say we ignore 'ALIENS' instead. Retcon the shit out of that piece of over-rated bombastic childish nonsense and it's juvenile humor. All future version of 'ALIEN 3' should have all evidence of Hicks and Newt removed. No more USCM at all. Ditch that shit. It sucks like a bad chest wound anyway. Which shouldn't be hard and digitally replace the EEV with the Narcissus. QED. :P
No one really cares about out of date junk movies from the mid-1980's, anyway. Sure as shit, Fox certainly doesn't. :P :P
Scott appears to think so, too. :P :P :P
-Windebieste.
Beside we already know that Ash tells Ripley "Ripley, for God's sake, this is the first time that we've encountered a species like this.." and yet we have 'Prometheus' and 'ALIEN: Covenant'. Despite having taken place decades prior to the events of 'ALIEN' it's obvious these are isolated incidents the crew of the Nostromo are not aware of.
That's how to treat 'ALIEN 5' as an isolated incident parallel to 'ALIEN 3'. There's no need for 'She Who Cannot Die' to appear at all. It would be a much better movie for it.
I say we ignore 'ALIENS' instead. Retcon the shit out of that piece of over-rated bombastic childish nonsense and it's juvenile humor. All future version of 'ALIEN 3' should have all evidence of Hicks and Newt removed. No more USCM at all. Ditch that shit. It sucks like a bad chest wound anyway. Which shouldn't be hard and digitally replace the EEV with the Narcissus. QED. :P
No one really cares about out of date junk movies from the mid-1980's, anyway. Sure as shit, Fox certainly doesn't. :P :P
Scott appears to think so, too. :P :P :P
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 08, 2017, 01:34:56 AM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 08, 2017, 01:34:56 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 01:14:56 AM
They're not assumptions. I'm talking about what is likely vs, what is contrived. If you accept Alien 3 and Resurrection as canon, then it is a FACT that there are no further recorded encounters with the aliens between the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection. The exception to that being if there is some sort of convoluted inner-cabal at Wal-mart / W-Y.
However, if you don't count those films as canon, and you have a blank canvas in front of you, then it is more likely that you would encounter the aliens again after 30 + years, than 2 years after. Again, this takes into account that the derelict is destroyed, which has to be a fact if Alien: resurrection is considered canon. The odds of running into the aliens again completely independently of the derelict within 2 years are slim. Just consider how long it is taking us to find any indication of extra-terrestrial life right now.
Your concern is that we would have a scenario where Ripley once again accidentally encounters the aliens, which would put her in some sort of super-hero territory. How could one person have so much bad luck? Your concern is valid, and I don't think anybody wants that. The fact that we actually already have a super-hero Ripley as per A:R notwithstanding.
I don't think retcon proponents want to have a desire for a gloomy or overly cheerful film. They want something that is likely and realistic.
If you consider Ripley's encounter with the aliens in the Aliens film, it is not coincidental. She doesn't run into them randomly in space. She has moral motivations that don't allow her to ignore the plight of families that are exposed to the aliens on LV-426. She has a legitimate motivation to encounter the aliens again. The motivations in Alien 3 are unlikely, and in fact contrived. The odds that she would be so stupid as to allow the aliens to remain on the Sulaco are slim to none.
So, ignoring ALien 3, if she finds out 30 years down the road that the aliens have been discovered again, randomly, by some other people, her response to intervene, would be a likely one, and it would be fully consistent with her character, without taking her into super-hero territory.
It's not about people wanting a perfect happy family thing as you are always saying. Nor is it about wanting the Alien universe to be unrealistically gloomy, where everyone has to be killed off as per trope. People just want the alien stories to be grounded in realism and likelihood. Blomkamp's film offers that possibility. Will it deliver? Who knows? But it is the best chance right now to fix the core story in the series.
My favorite post I've ever read on this site. So many Alien 3 fans are incredibly condescending, and think Blomkamp proponents want more of the same. Like, huh? I didn't necessarily want an Alien 3 to be full of guns and explosions and one-liners, I just wanted it to be organic and "correct". I mean we all love ALIEN around here, which has none of that stuff.
Windebieste thinks that dark and depressing means thoughtful and cerebral and challenging, and that really is delicious.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 01:38:57 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 01:38:57 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 01:31:08 AM
Still just assumptions on your part.
Beside we already know that Ash tells Ripley "Ripley, for God's sake, this is the first time that we've encountered a species like this.." and yet we have 'Prometheus' and 'ALIEN: Covenant'. Despite having taken place decades prior to the events of 'ALIEN' it's obvious these are isolated incidents the crew of the Nostromo are not aware of.
That's how to treat 'ALIEN 5' as an isolated incident parallel to 'ALIEN 3'. There's no need for 'She Who Cannot Die' to appear at all. It would be a much better movie for it.
I say we ignore 'ALIENS' instead. Retcon the shit out of that piece of over-rated bombastic childish nonsense and it's juvenile humor. All future version of 'ALIEN 3' should have all evidence of Hicks and Newt removed. No more USCM at all. Ditch that shit. It sucks like a bad chest wound anyway. Which shouldn't be hard and digitally replace the EEV with the Narcissus. QED. :P
No one really cares about out of date junk movies from the mid-1980's, anyway. Sure as shit, Fox certainly doesn't. :P :P
Scott appears to think so, too. :P :P :P
-Windebieste.
All hands up for those who want to retcon Aliens out of existence?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 01:41:02 AM
Post by: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 01:41:02 AM
;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 01:45:47 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 01:45:47 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 08, 2017, 01:34:56 AMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 01:14:56 AM
They're not assumptions. I'm talking about what is likely vs, what is contrived. If you accept Alien 3 and Resurrection as canon, then it is a FACT that there are no further recorded encounters with the aliens between the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection. The exception to that being if there is some sort of convoluted inner-cabal at Wal-mart / W-Y.
However, if you don't count those films as canon, and you have a blank canvas in front of you, then it is more likely that you would encounter the aliens again after 30 + years, than 2 years after. Again, this takes into account that the derelict is destroyed, which has to be a fact if Alien: resurrection is considered canon. The odds of running into the aliens again completely independently of the derelict within 2 years are slim. Just consider how long it is taking us to find any indication of extra-terrestrial life right now.
Your concern is that we would have a scenario where Ripley once again accidentally encounters the aliens, which would put her in some sort of super-hero territory. How could one person have so much bad luck? Your concern is valid, and I don't think anybody wants that. The fact that we actually already have a super-hero Ripley as per A:R notwithstanding.
I don't think retcon proponents want to have a desire for a gloomy or overly cheerful film. They want something that is likely and realistic.
If you consider Ripley's encounter with the aliens in the Aliens film, it is not coincidental. She doesn't run into them randomly in space. She has moral motivations that don't allow her to ignore the plight of families that are exposed to the aliens on LV-426. She has a legitimate motivation to encounter the aliens again. The motivations in Alien 3 are unlikely, and in fact contrived. The odds that she would be so stupid as to allow the aliens to remain on the Sulaco are slim to none.
So, ignoring ALien 3, if she finds out 30 years down the road that the aliens have been discovered again, randomly, by some other people, her response to intervene, would be a likely one, and it would be fully consistent with her character, without taking her into super-hero territory.
It's not about people wanting a perfect happy family thing as you are always saying. Nor is it about wanting the Alien universe to be unrealistically gloomy, where everyone has to be killed off as per trope. People just want the alien stories to be grounded in realism and likelihood. Blomkamp's film offers that possibility. Will it deliver? Who knows? But it is the best chance right now to fix the core story in the series.
My favorite post I've ever read on this site. So many Alien 3 fans are incredibly condescending, and think Blomkamp proponents want more of the same. Like, huh? I didn't necessarily want an Alien 3 to be full of guns and explosions and one-liners, I just wanted it to be organic and "correct". I mean we all love ALIEN around here, which has none of that stuff.
Windebieste thinks that dark and depressing means thoughtful and cerebral and challenging, and that really is delicious.
And I'm not even saying Alien 3 is a bad film. I love Alien 3 as a sort of wacky, grim, artsy, unlikely alternate reality spin-off. It's a great, uniquely stunning piece of science fiction film-making. When Blomkamp's film comes out, I will still cherish my Alien 3 Blu-ray and its companion disc of interviews and making of documentary. I understand why fans like this film.
I just feel it is time for a film that represents what would realistically have happened after the events of Aliens.
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 01:41:02 AM
;D
Listen..... crickets.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 02:05:26 AM
Post by: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 02:05:26 AM
'ALIEN 3' is not a spin off, though. It's the main arc. It has been so for a quarter of a Century. Why don't you get that?
Blomkamp's movie is the spin off - it should be treated as such. lol.
-Windebieste.
Blomkamp's movie is the spin off - it should be treated as such. lol.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 08, 2017, 02:07:43 AM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 08, 2017, 02:07:43 AM
Oh totally dude. I even like the film myself. Clemens is one of my favorite characters. I grew up with the tetralogy. But to quote Blomkamp, it was the "incorrect" trajectory to pursue.
And no one, except a small minority of "gloomy good, guns bad!" advocates want Aliens retconned. But too bad. ;D
And no one, except a small minority of "gloomy good, guns bad!" advocates want Aliens retconned. But too bad. ;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 02:17:40 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 02:17:40 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 08, 2017, 02:07:43 AMNo one wants aliens retconned...as far as I know.but those who want alien 3 retconned should consider other people's view rather than be selfish because of character deaths.
Oh totally dude. I even like the film myself. Clemens is one of my favorite characters. I grew up with the tetralogy. But to quote Blomkamp, it was the "incorrect" trajectory to pursue.
And no one, except a small minority of "gloomy good, guns bad!" advocates want Aliens retconned. But too bad. ;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 08, 2017, 02:20:11 AM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 08, 2017, 02:20:11 AM
lol. your a3 disc wont suddenly disappear.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 02:25:53 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 02:25:53 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 02:05:26 AM
'ALIEN 3' is not a spin off, though. It's the main arc. It has been so for a quarter of a Century. Why don't you get that?
Blomkamp's movie is the spin off - it should be treated as such. lol.
-Windebieste.
I never said it's a spin off. I would consider it an alternate reality if Blomkamp's project happens. An alternate reality and a spin-off are completely different things.
Currently, Alien 3 is a part of the main story arc, but unfortunately it is party to derailing that story arc rather than continuing it. Nobody wants to pick up the pieces of that arc to continue it, so you will either get inconsequential prequels, or side-quels, or the main story arc can be fixed at the point where the general public considers that the it wen off the rails, and that is Alien 3.
Fans of Alien 3 need not worry though. They still get to have their Blu-Rays, comics and action figures. Nobody is coming to take those away.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 02:30:09 AM
Post by: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 02:30:09 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 02:17:40 AMQuote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 08, 2017, 02:07:43 AMNo one wants aliens retconned...as far as I know.but those who want alien 3 retconned should consider other people's view rather than be selfish because of character deaths.
Oh totally dude. I even like the film myself. Clemens is one of my favorite characters. I grew up with the tetralogy. But to quote Blomkamp, it was the "incorrect" trajectory to pursue.
And no one, except a small minority of "gloomy good, guns bad!" advocates want Aliens retconned. But too bad. ;D
^ This. This is my point. It appears it's OK to talk about 'ALIEN 3' getting retconned but discuss doing that to 'ALIENS'? It's like talking about stripping pages out of The Bible.
I love Mae West. She was the Best! She also said "Those who are easily shocked be shocked more often."
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 02:25:53 AMQuote from: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 02:05:26 AM
'ALIEN 3' is not a spin off, though. It's the main arc. It has been so for a quarter of a Century. Why don't you get that?
Blomkamp's movie is the spin off - it should be treated as such. lol.
-Windebieste.
I never said it's a spin off. I would consider it an alternate reality if Blomkamp's project happens. An alternate reality and a spin-off are completely different things.
Currently, Alien 3 is a part of the main story arc, but unfortunately it is party to derailing that story arc rather than continuing it. Nobody wants to pick up the pieces of that arc to continue it, so you will either get inconsequential prequels, or side-quels, or the main story arc can be fixed at the point where the general public considers that the it wen off the rails, and that is Alien 3.
Fans of Alien 3 need not worry though. They still get to have their Blu-Rays, comics and action figures. Nobody is coming to take those away.
You're the one living in an Alternate Reality. lol :P
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 02:37:20 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 02:37:20 AM
@Bishopshouldgo
Ahem "intentional-bad-cap loL" And Hicks, Newt and Ripley won't disappear from your Aliens disc.
"So many Alien 3 fans are incredibly condescending,"
I am not an Alien 3 fan (Aliens unsurprisingly is my favorite) and those that are actually defending A3 are simply being objective, and not being condescending,
Retconning for the sake of three characters is stupid, especially since its done for sentimental fans who can't let go. Resurrection is an example of holding on to the past.
Am I happy they are dead? No. Especially the slap in the face dick move that was the way it was done.
Am I happy that Resurrection is where the alien side franchise ended? Absolutely not and its this why I am half and half when it comes the retcon, to restore the original serious tone.
"Windebieste thinks that dark and depressing means thoughtful and cerebral and challenging"
And I suppose laid back marines shooting from the hip is thoughtful and cerebral?
Hudson, Hicks and all were awesome but I don't want a rehash which is why Aliens is good, because it is different from the first film.
If you want another Aliens, then play the games, they nearly always emulate the second movie. Alien Isolation was brilliant for being the exception.
Ahem "intentional-bad-cap loL" And Hicks, Newt and Ripley won't disappear from your Aliens disc.
"So many Alien 3 fans are incredibly condescending,"
I am not an Alien 3 fan (Aliens unsurprisingly is my favorite) and those that are actually defending A3 are simply being objective, and not being condescending,
Retconning for the sake of three characters is stupid, especially since its done for sentimental fans who can't let go. Resurrection is an example of holding on to the past.
Am I happy they are dead? No. Especially the slap in the face dick move that was the way it was done.
Am I happy that Resurrection is where the alien side franchise ended? Absolutely not and its this why I am half and half when it comes the retcon, to restore the original serious tone.
"Windebieste thinks that dark and depressing means thoughtful and cerebral and challenging"
And I suppose laid back marines shooting from the hip is thoughtful and cerebral?
Hudson, Hicks and all were awesome but I don't want a rehash which is why Aliens is good, because it is different from the first film.
If you want another Aliens, then play the games, they nearly always emulate the second movie. Alien Isolation was brilliant for being the exception.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Lonely Universe on Jan 08, 2017, 02:37:55 AM
Post by: Lonely Universe on Jan 08, 2017, 02:37:55 AM
I wouldn't call it selfish as it's for the greater good.
I want it retconned for the betterment of the franchise as a whole. If there's an opportunity to correct it's mistakes that opportunity should be seized.
When you've got half a loaf of moldy bread you take out the moldy pieces to keep it from spreading to the good ones.
I want it retconned for the betterment of the franchise as a whole. If there's an opportunity to correct it's mistakes that opportunity should be seized.
When you've got half a loaf of moldy bread you take out the moldy pieces to keep it from spreading to the good ones.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 02:40:55 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 02:40:55 AM
Quote from: Lonely Universe on Jan 08, 2017, 02:37:55 AM
I wouldn't call it selfish as it's for the greater good.
I want it retconned for the betterment of the franchise as a whole. If there's an opportunity to correct it's mistakes that opportunity should be seized.
When you've got half a loaf of moldy bread you take out the moldy pieces to keep it from spreading to the good ones.
Killing characters are not mistakes, the magic egg in the intro was a mistake.
Mold is unintentional....the killing of the three characters was intentional.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 03:03:26 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 03:03:26 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 02:30:09 AMQuote from: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 02:17:40 AMQuote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 08, 2017, 02:07:43 AMNo one wants aliens retconned...as far as I know.but those who want alien 3 retconned should consider other people's view rather than be selfish because of character deaths.
Oh totally dude. I even like the film myself. Clemens is one of my favorite characters. I grew up with the tetralogy. But to quote Blomkamp, it was the "incorrect" trajectory to pursue.
And no one, except a small minority of "gloomy good, guns bad!" advocates want Aliens retconned. But too bad. ;D
^ This. This is my point. It appears it's OK to talk about 'ALIEN 3' getting retconned but discuss doing that to 'ALIENS'? It's like talking about stripping pages out of The Bible.
I love Mae West. She was the Best! She also said "Those who are easily shocked be shocked more often."
-Windebieste.Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 02:25:53 AMQuote from: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 02:05:26 AM
'ALIEN 3' is not a spin off, though. It's the main arc. It has been so for a quarter of a Century. Why don't you get that?
Blomkamp's movie is the spin off - it should be treated as such. lol.
-Windebieste.
I never said it's a spin off. I would consider it an alternate reality if Blomkamp's project happens. An alternate reality and a spin-off are completely different things.
Currently, Alien 3 is a part of the main story arc, but unfortunately it is party to derailing that story arc rather than continuing it. Nobody wants to pick up the pieces of that arc to continue it, so you will either get inconsequential prequels, or side-quels, or the main story arc can be fixed at the point where the general public considers that the it wen off the rails, and that is Alien 3.
Fans of Alien 3 need not worry though. They still get to have their Blu-Rays, comics and action figures. Nobody is coming to take those away.
You're the one living in an Alternate Reality. lol :P
-Windebieste.
While you're the one living in fiction believing it is reality. It's all fiction Winde. It's all fiction. Some of us just want a plausible continuation instead of a magic egg derailing an excellent story.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 03:05:59 AM
Post by: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 03:05:59 AM
What Greater Good? Is there any guarantees that it will be any good at all? Isn't the sacrifice a little too great to trade in half the series for an absolute unknown? Where's the proof? Blomkamp said so..? wtf?
I'd love a Blomkamp 'ALIEN 5' but is a retcon even needed? No. It is not. Is Ripley even needed. Nope. Not at all. Could Blomkamp make an 'ALIEN 5' that adds to the series as a whole without carving it up? Sure, he could! The recent 'Rogue One' movie showed us how to insert relevant content into a series could be done without tearing the series apart. Notably, that movie is a vast improvement over the other new 'Star Wars' movie we saw released a year ago - which was basically shit.
But no... Ripley must come back. At all costs. Whether she's needed or not. 'She Who Cannot Die' MUST return.
No wonder people have called Blomkamp's proposal out as being driven by juvenile wishful fan fiction.
That's exactly what it is.
-Windebieste.
I'd love a Blomkamp 'ALIEN 5' but is a retcon even needed? No. It is not. Is Ripley even needed. Nope. Not at all. Could Blomkamp make an 'ALIEN 5' that adds to the series as a whole without carving it up? Sure, he could! The recent 'Rogue One' movie showed us how to insert relevant content into a series could be done without tearing the series apart. Notably, that movie is a vast improvement over the other new 'Star Wars' movie we saw released a year ago - which was basically shit.
But no... Ripley must come back. At all costs. Whether she's needed or not. 'She Who Cannot Die' MUST return.
No wonder people have called Blomkamp's proposal out as being driven by juvenile wishful fan fiction.
That's exactly what it is.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 08, 2017, 03:08:08 AM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 08, 2017, 03:08:08 AM
lol i dont want another aliens
i want another alien and aliens
which means i want another good movie
and it is like ripping pages out of the bible, because aliens is a good movie and alien 3 is not. retconning alien 3 is like ripping pages out of Poop Magazine.
i want another alien and aliens
which means i want another good movie
and it is like ripping pages out of the bible, because aliens is a good movie and alien 3 is not. retconning alien 3 is like ripping pages out of Poop Magazine.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 03:13:28 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 03:13:28 AM
::) That is your opinion, not a fact. Alien 3 is inferior but that is no reason to retcon it. Alien is arguably inferior to Aliens, should Alien be retconned?
Not all sequels are going to be good.
Like I said, if you want a rehash, either rewatch the movies or play the games, you will get the same experience more or less from a new movie based on Aliens. :P
Not all sequels are going to be good.
Like I said, if you want a rehash, either rewatch the movies or play the games, you will get the same experience more or less from a new movie based on Aliens. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 08, 2017, 03:21:35 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 08, 2017, 03:21:35 AM
Where is the harm in a new film?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 03:26:32 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 03:26:32 AM
None whatsoever SM, that is not what is being disputed here.
I look forward to the new film retcon or not but....
A retcon just for three dead characters is just not really a good enough reason methinks, I am half on board for the retcon just to undo resurrections parody-like tone, but I still think bringing back characters just because we all didn't like it is bit silly, by that logic, every film where a favorite character died should now be retconned.... :P
I look forward to the new film retcon or not but....
A retcon just for three dead characters is just not really a good enough reason methinks, I am half on board for the retcon just to undo resurrections parody-like tone, but I still think bringing back characters just because we all didn't like it is bit silly, by that logic, every film where a favorite character died should now be retconned.... :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 08, 2017, 03:32:40 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 08, 2017, 03:32:40 AM
So there's no harm - then you go on to detail why it's a bad idea.
From a fan response point of view and therefore a commercial point of view - if they have a good idea for the film, they'd be silly not to make it.
However it turns out is ultimately irrelevant. Those that want it, have it. Those that don't, don't have to bother.
From a fan response point of view and therefore a commercial point of view - if they have a good idea for the film, they'd be silly not to make it.
However it turns out is ultimately irrelevant. Those that want it, have it. Those that don't, don't have to bother.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 03:49:16 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 03:49:16 AM
A bad idea about films is hardly harmful. I don't oppose the new film nor the idea of a retcon, but the reasons seems shallow to me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 04:00:56 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 04:00:56 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 08, 2017, 03:05:59 AM
What Greater Good? Is there any guarantees that it will be any good at all? Isn't the sacrifice a little too great to trade in half the series for an absolute unknown? Where's the proof? Blomkamp said so..? wtf?
I'd love a Blomkamp 'ALIEN 5' but is a retcon even needed? No. It is not. Is Ripley even needed. Nope. Not at all. Could Blomkamp make an 'ALIEN 5' that adds to the series as a whole without carving it up? Sure, he could! The recent 'Rogue One' movie showed us how to insert relevant content into a series could be done without tearing the series apart. Notably, that movie is a vast improvement over the other new 'Star Wars' movie we saw released a year ago - which was basically shit.
But no... Ripley must come back. At all costs. Whether she's needed or not. 'She Who Cannot Die' MUST return.
No wonder people have called Blomkamp's proposal out as being driven by juvenile wishful fan fiction.
That's exactly what it is.
-Windebieste.
But don't you see that A:R did exactly the thing that you're railing against. They already brought Ripley back at all costs. That was already juvenile. It was already a retcon basically in a way because it brought back a core character that was already dead. It is this silly A:R film which resulted from Alien 3 that has led us on a continuity path which brings ideas of resurrection and total recall into a series which up until that point was noted for its efforts in being grounded in realism.
I can't imagine that Blomkamp's retcon wouldn't be based around the idea of passing the baton somehow, perhaps to Rebecca Jorden, or some other character, but without a retcon the Alien series has landed in a world of silly that is unfitting for such quality sci-fi.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 03:13:28 AM
::) That is your opinion, not a fact. Alien 3 is inferior but that is no reason to retcon it. Alien is arguably inferior to Aliens, should Alien be retconned?
Not all sequels are going to be good.
Like I said, if you want a rehash, either rewatch the movies or play the games, you will get the same experience more or less from a new movie based on Aliens. :P
Alien is hardly inferior to Aliens by most accounts, but even if it was, it is the founding element which sets the story arc in motion. It doesn't derail anything, whereas Alien 3, despite being a good film, does.
I hope with the passing of Carrie Fisher, Fox realizes what a precious asset they have in Sigourney Weaver, and green-light her film ASAP. I wish her many years of healthy life, but she is getting on in years. One or two more films with Ripley would be amazing. In fact Blomkamp should make a trilogy as per the current trend. Each film could be a cliff-hanger for the next...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 08, 2017, 05:40:07 AM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 08, 2017, 05:40:07 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 03:13:28 AM
::) That is your opinion, not a fact. Alien 3 is inferior but that is no reason to retcon it. Alien is arguably inferior to Aliens, should Alien be retconned?
Not all sequels are going to be good.
Like I said, if you want a rehash, either rewatch the movies or play the games, you will get the same experience more or less from a new movie based on Aliens. :P
nah, i want a new film. i like alien and aliens equally. theyre good films. unlike a3.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 03:26:32 AM
None whatsoever SM, that is not what is being disputed here.
I look forward to the new film retcon or not but....
A retcon just for three dead characters is just not really a good enough reason methinks, I am half on board for the retcon just to undo resurrections parody-like tone, but I still think bringing back characters just because we all didn't like it is bit silly, by that logic, every film where a favorite character died should now be retconned.... :P
its not about unkilling those three characters. it's about restarting at the point where the franchise was at its apex, and the possibilities were endless. hell, jon spaihts admitted it was impossible to write a story post-resurrection. the dude had to go back in time. :D
gosh, all you have to do is make one more film with ripley, and she can then pass the baton to A-list Actress Newt. bam. so simple. makes almost too much sense.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: PsyKore on Jan 08, 2017, 07:59:44 AM
Post by: PsyKore on Jan 08, 2017, 07:59:44 AM
This actress playing Newt would have to be something incredible.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 08:33:32 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 08:33:32 AM
Quote from: PsyKore on Jan 08, 2017, 07:59:44 AM
This actress playing Newt would have to be something incredible.
Jennifer Lawrence. Bam!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 08, 2017, 10:53:15 AM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 08, 2017, 10:53:15 AM
Why do you compare movies to each other? It doesn't make any sense.
Hicks, Newt and ... Jonesy are dead ;). Ripley is dead. Deal with it. It's just a movie.
Hicks, Newt and ... Jonesy are dead ;). Ripley is dead. Deal with it. It's just a movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 02:09:29 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 02:09:29 PM
Quote
Alien is hardly inferior to Aliens by most accounts, but even if it was, it is the founding element which sets the story arc in motion. It doesn't derail anything, whereas Alien 3, despite being a good film, does.
Hence why I said arguably Alien is a brilliant classic but Aliens is keyword arguably superior hence first film = inferior, ::) and Aliens could be watched as a stand alone film thanks to Ripley's exposition to the company and marines so its not really necessary to the second film where as the third film requires knowing the lore which you can get from the second movie.
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nah, i want a new film. i like alien and aliens equally. theyre good films. unlike a3.
Nah you want a rehash, an Aliens with marines... :P
Lets retcon matrix then shall we or terminator for their disappointing sequels... I swear not to insult anyone here, but the fandoms can be such crybabies. If you want something retconned then fine, I'm half and half on it...but have a better excuse than "its a bad movie" There is a lot of bad movie out there, it happens and there is no guarantee than Niels film will be good, it may even be worse. Think - hoping that the sequel
to AVP 2004 is going to be better.....and then you got Requiem, Neil's film could be another Requiem. Reboots to broken franchises are proof that trying to fix something by making as if its never happened doesn't always work.
Also Alien 3 got mixed reviews really, its hardly the worst film in the franchise, that dishonor goes to Requiem.
Alien 3 is not a bad film but most folks just want Hix'n'Noot as someone on here put it :laugh:
Hicks and Newt don't need to be alive for Ripley to pass the baton nor does she in fact, and a new film doesn't have to be post resurrection, that film is over 200 years into the future and can be utterly ignored.
A new film can just have new characters.
Hicks, Newt and Ripley are good characters but the more they whined about coming back, the more they getting turned into plot-armored fandom pet special snowflakes...and no one likes a special snowflake.
@ingwar
Yes, they are dead. people should move on, its like they can't imagine an Alien film without Ripley or H and N.yet the resurrection shows what happens when you bring Ripley back. The movie was never about Ripley really, Aliens are the titular character, they are the core of the story and other characters are just the counter to it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 08, 2017, 08:19:24 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 08, 2017, 08:19:24 PM
QuoteWhy do you compare movies to each other? It doesn't make any sense.
Because some are popular and some aren't. Hence the current situation.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 09:01:46 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 08, 2017, 09:01:46 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 08, 2017, 08:19:24 PMQuoteWhy do you compare movies to each other? It doesn't make any sense.
Because some are popular and some aren't. Hence the current situation.
Why have an internet forum where people can discuss and compare movies? It's just not fair!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 08, 2017, 09:38:40 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 08, 2017, 09:38:40 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 08, 2017, 02:09:29 PMQuote
Alien is hardly inferior to Aliens by most accounts, but even if it was, it is the founding element which sets the story arc in motion. It doesn't derail anything, whereas Alien 3, despite being a good film, does.
Hence why I said arguably Alien is a brilliant classic but Aliens is keyword arguably superior hence first film = inferior, ::) and Aliens could be watched as a stand alone film thanks to Ripley's exposition to the company and marines so its not really necessary to the second film where as the third film requires knowing the lore which you can get from the second movie.Quote
nah, i want a new film. i like alien and aliens equally. theyre good films. unlike a3.
Nah you want a rehash, an Aliens with marines... :P
Lets retcon matrix then shall we or terminator for their disappointing sequels... I swear not to insult anyone here, but the fandoms can be such crybabies. If you want something retconned then fine, I'm half and half on it...but have a better excuse than "its a bad movie" There is a lot of bad movie out there, it happens and there is no guarantee than Niels film will be good, it may even be worse. Think - hoping that the sequel
to AVP 2004 is going to be better.....and then you got Requiem, Neil's film could be another Requiem. Reboots to broken franchises are proof that trying to fix something by making as if its never happened doesn't always work.
Also Alien 3 got mixed reviews really, its hardly the worst film in the franchise, that dishonor goes to Requiem.
Alien 3 is not a bad film but most folks just want Hix'n'Noot as someone on here put it :laugh:
Hicks and Newt don't need to be alive for Ripley to pass the baton nor does she in fact, and a new film doesn't have to be post resurrection, that film is over 200 years into the future and can be utterly ignored.
A new film can just have new characters.
Hicks, Newt and Ripley are good characters but the more they whined about coming back, the more they getting turned into plot-armored fandom pet special snowflakes...and no one likes a special snowflake.
@ingwar
Yes, they are dead. people should move on, its like they can't imagine an Alien film without Ripley or H and N.yet the resurrection shows what happens when you bring Ripley back. The movie was never about Ripley really, Aliens are the titular character, they are the core of the story and other characters are just the counter to it.
Nah. I know what I want. Buh bye a3 and a4. High five neill.
Quote from: SM on Jan 08, 2017, 08:19:24 PMQuoteWhy do you compare movies to each other? It doesn't make any sense.
Because some are popular and some aren't. Hence the current situation.
Some people's realities really are are dramatically compromised. Alien and aliens are the best and are the classics, deal with it. I say this as a person who enjoys a3 and a4. 8)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2017, 10:45:33 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2017, 10:45:33 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 07, 2017, 09:08:29 AMRetcon not only good but necessary.
It's just not though. Covenant is proving that right now.
You're confusing what you want with what must be done, again. The films don't need to be retconned in any way, shape or form.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Jan 09, 2017, 10:48:50 AM
Post by: windebieste on Jan 09, 2017, 10:48:50 AM
God damned Boo-hoo Brigade. lol.
-Windebieste.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 09, 2017, 10:58:12 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 09, 2017, 10:58:12 AM
Comeon gents, I find this sniping at each other quite tedious and childish. Converse nicely.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 09, 2017, 12:05:51 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 09, 2017, 12:05:51 PM
QuoteYou're confusing what you want with what must be done, again. The films don't need to be retconned in any way, shape or form.
What "must be done" exactly?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 09, 2017, 12:16:28 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 09, 2017, 12:16:28 PM
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 09, 2017, 10:48:50 AM
God damned Boo-hoo Brigade. lol.
-Windebieste.
Now now lets remain civil about this, after all, they are entitled to their opinions as are we. If they want a retcon because they can;t get over characters dying then guess that is what they want, of course, it would be outrageously funny if the new film actually killed off the characters again.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2017, 12:24:21 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2017, 12:24:21 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 09, 2017, 12:05:51 PMWhat "must be done" exactly?
In reference to Perfect-Organism's repeated suggestion that a retcon of 3 and Resurrection is "necessary". It's not at all. It's an idea. It's hardly the only way things can possibly move forward.
Covenant is proving right now that it's eminently possible to make more Alien films without implementing any kind of retcon re. the existing movies.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 09, 2017, 12:29:14 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 09, 2017, 12:29:14 PM
Indeed and since there is what? 200 years worth of leg room for Alien films until resurrection.
Not to mention the Shadow and rage trilogy show that Xenomorphs can exist in other places.
Not to mention the Shadow and rage trilogy show that Xenomorphs can exist in other places.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 09, 2017, 01:58:05 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 09, 2017, 01:58:05 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2017, 12:24:21 PMQuote from: SM on Jan 09, 2017, 12:05:51 PMWhat "must be done" exactly?
In reference to Perfect-Organism's repeated suggestion that a retcon of 3 and Resurrection is "necessary". It's not at all. It's an idea. It's hardly the only way things can possibly move forward.
Covenant is proving right now that it's eminently possible to make more Alien films without implementing any kind of retcon re. the existing movies.
The idea that something "must" be done is relative. There is nothing about the Alien film franchise that "must" be done, as if it somehow truly impacts the world we live in. When I say "must", I am referring to the welfare of the franchise. The syllogism should be quite simple. If we accept that a continuation of the core story (which is Ripley's story largely) is beneficial to the overall series, and nobody in their right mind is going to attempt to follow up on the continuity which was established by A3 and AR, then you must alter or reset the core continuity prior to A3. Otherwise you will end up with sidebar stories that don't affect or move the core story forward in a significant way.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 09, 2017, 02:07:07 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 09, 2017, 02:07:07 PM
Ripley isn't the core of the story, the Alien is, in fact Ripley was going to be replaced by hicks before the changes happened.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2017, 02:08:37 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 09, 2017, 02:08:37 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 09, 2017, 01:58:05 PMWhen I say "must", I am referring to the welfare of the franchise.
But again, Covenant is proving that false.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 09, 2017, 01:58:05 PMIf we accept that a continuation of the core story (which is Ripley's story largely) is beneficial to the overall series...
I don't accept that at all. There's plenty of other incredibly interesting things they could do. Far more interesting than just resurrecting characters that had their shot.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 09, 2017, 01:58:05 PMOtherwise you will end up with sidebar stories that don't affect or move the core story forward in a significant way.
Or, here's an idea, come up with new interesting characters that can propel the franchise in new directions? It's not like Ripley is the only possible future the series has. That's just ludicrous.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 09, 2017, 02:35:07 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 09, 2017, 02:35:07 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 09, 2017, 02:07:07 PM
Ripley isn't the core of the story, the Alien is, in fact Ripley was going to be replaced by hicks before the changes happened.
I don't agree with that, but you're entitled to your position granted.
There are three types of conflict out there. Man vs man. Man vs nature. Man vs himself. The story of Alien, is arguably about man vs nature. The aliens are not characters. They're stupid animals for the most part. The real protagonist, or true enemy here is W-Y, so in a way it is a man vs man story, even if that "man" is an android.
The truth is that if you accept the 4 current Alien films as the core story, then Ripley is at the center of all of those stories. You are right in that it isn't the fact that Ripley herself is the core. But she was the main protagonist in every core story, and that makes her story the core story. It is her story that forms the main recorded history (as far as we know) of humanity's encounter with the Alien.
Think about it, Alien:Resurrection gives no indication that either W-Y/Walmart or the marines know of any other place where the Aliens may be found. They seem to be oblivious to Paradise. So Ripley's encounters form the core. That makes her story, the core story by default.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 09, 2017, 07:47:30 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 09, 2017, 07:47:30 PM
120 pages of "Nah you!", "Nah YOU!"
Impressive.
Impressive.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Alien Predator on Jan 09, 2017, 08:07:35 PM
Post by: The Alien Predator on Jan 09, 2017, 08:07:35 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 09, 2017, 07:47:30 PM
120 pages of "Nah you!", "Nah YOU!"
Impressive.
The blood feud between the Jungle Hunter and Super Predators has lasted for 120 hunting seasons. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 09, 2017, 08:42:13 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 09, 2017, 08:42:13 PM
They come back the next thread in threes, always in threes.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 09, 2017, 09:24:36 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 09, 2017, 09:24:36 PM
And they mostly come at night. Mostly.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Jan 09, 2017, 09:37:39 PM
Post by: Rankles75 on Jan 09, 2017, 09:37:39 PM
Amusing that the pro-Alien 3 brigade throw around words like "butt hurt" and "boo-hoo brigade" (seriously?), when those terms fit them just as well. Don't personally see any problem in potentially getting a film that is a worthy addition to the series, instead of one that is widely hated/mocked and features glaring plot holes and shoddy creature FX. There's nothing to stop them ignoring it's existence the way the rest of us do with A3 and A:R. It's all good...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 09, 2017, 10:10:38 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 09, 2017, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Jan 09, 2017, 09:37:39 PM
Amusing that the pro-Alien 3 brigade throw around words like "butt hurt" and "boo-hoo brigade" (seriously?), when those terms fit them just as well. Don't personally see any problem in potentially getting a film that is a worthy addition to the series, instead of one that is widely hated/mocked and features glaring plot holes and shoddy creature FX. There's nothing to stop them ignoring it's existence the way the rest of us do with A3 and A:R. It's all good...
Pro Alien 3? LOL Likely story, I prefer Aliens thank you :P No hurting butts here XD I have yet to get upset, which would be pointless on the internet, No idea why people lose their rags in debates.... ::)
There is a difference between being objective and being pro-something, defending some merits of a inferior film and disagreeing with a retcon based solely on dead characters rather than something worthwhile is hardly being pro-alien 3. It is an inferior film but that is not reason enough to have a retcon, simple as. If you all actually stepped back and looked at it from that point, you might understand.
If you are already ignoring the existence of Alien 3 and Resurrection, then you don't need a retcon then do you? :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 09, 2017, 10:17:32 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 09, 2017, 10:17:32 PM
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 09, 2017, 10:20:32 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 09, 2017, 10:20:32 PM
^No, just nope. This dog doesn't chase his own tail.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 09, 2017, 10:39:00 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 09, 2017, 10:39:00 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 09, 2017, 10:10:38 PMQuote from: Rankles75 on Jan 09, 2017, 09:37:39 PM
Amusing that the pro-Alien 3 brigade throw around words like "butt hurt" and "boo-hoo brigade" (seriously?), when those terms fit them just as well. Don't personally see any problem in potentially getting a film that is a worthy addition to the series, instead of one that is widely hated/mocked and features glaring plot holes and shoddy creature FX. There's nothing to stop them ignoring it's existence the way the rest of us do with A3 and A:R. It's all good...
Pro Alien 3? LOL Likely story, I prefer Aliens thank you :P No hurting butts here XD I have yet to get upset, which would be pointless on the internet, No idea why people lose their rags in debates.... ::)
There is a difference between being objective and being pro-something, defending some merits of a inferior film and disagreeing with a retcon based solely on dead characters rather than something worthwhile is hardly being pro-alien 3. It is an inferior film but that is not reason enough to have a retcon, simple as. If you all actually stepped back and looked at it from that point, you might understand.
If you are already ignoring the existence of Alien 3 and Resurrection, then you don't need a retcon then do you? :laugh:
This isn't entirely about Hicks, Newt, and Ripley. It's about the core story. Simply put, A:3 and A:R took the core story in a direction that nobody as a director or producer wants to continue, and FOX doesn't want to either. So you can either take a side detour around the core story, with pre-quels or side-quels, etc., or you can fix the core story and continue.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 09, 2017, 10:44:46 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 09, 2017, 10:44:46 PM
Precisely. A3 and A4 backed the universe into a corner of limited creative possibilities. Neill's film is seemingly the antidote to this logjam.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 09, 2017, 10:56:26 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 09, 2017, 10:56:26 PM
@Perfect Organism
There is no core story, the film is about the Aliens, the characters are interchangeable no matter how iconic they may be. That said I do agree about Resurrection, since that film definitely did back the franchise into a bad corner with its far fetched and outlandish stuff, Made the tone over the top and comedic, basically making it a parody but I don't see how Alien 3 cut off avenues for continuation, while non-canon, the games have shown plenty of ways for the story to be continued with other characters.
Ripley isn't necessary for the franchise. I like to see her again sure, but I don't want every new alien film to have her in it or have to revolve around her some how. It gets old. Milk the cow too much and it gets dry.
But I will just have to agree to disagree on this matter, you have a right to your view and if that is what you believe then fair enough/ I want a new film as much as the next fan and I am 50/50 on a retcon, I just personally believe there should be better reasons for an actual retcon other than not liking Alien 3, with Resurrection I would understand more, because it altered the tone of the series drastically and added silly elements like superheroes.
The magic egg doesn't help either, so I can see why to some degree.
There is no core story, the film is about the Aliens, the characters are interchangeable no matter how iconic they may be. That said I do agree about Resurrection, since that film definitely did back the franchise into a bad corner with its far fetched and outlandish stuff, Made the tone over the top and comedic, basically making it a parody but I don't see how Alien 3 cut off avenues for continuation, while non-canon, the games have shown plenty of ways for the story to be continued with other characters.
Ripley isn't necessary for the franchise. I like to see her again sure, but I don't want every new alien film to have her in it or have to revolve around her some how. It gets old. Milk the cow too much and it gets dry.
But I will just have to agree to disagree on this matter, you have a right to your view and if that is what you believe then fair enough/ I want a new film as much as the next fan and I am 50/50 on a retcon, I just personally believe there should be better reasons for an actual retcon other than not liking Alien 3, with Resurrection I would understand more, because it altered the tone of the series drastically and added silly elements like superheroes.
The magic egg doesn't help either, so I can see why to some degree.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 09, 2017, 11:12:04 PM
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 09, 2017, 11:12:04 PM
If FOX wants to make the movie and enough people want to watch it, then that's all the justification anyone needs. What the NoKampers are really mad about is their lack of control over the whole thing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 10, 2017, 12:18:01 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 10, 2017, 12:18:01 AM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 09, 2017, 10:56:26 PM
@Perfect Organism
There is no core story, the film is about the Aliens, the characters are interchangeable no matter how iconic they may be. That said I do agree about Resurrection, since that film definitely did back the franchise into a bad corner with its far fetched and outlandish stuff, Made the tone over the top and comedic, basically making it a parody but I don't see how Alien 3 cut off avenues for continuation, while non-canon, the games have shown plenty of ways for the story to be continued with other characters.
Ripley isn't necessary for the franchise. I like to see her again sure, but I don't want every new alien film to have her in it or have to revolve around her some how. It gets old. Milk the cow too much and it gets dry.
But I will just have to agree to disagree on this matter, you have a right to your view and if that is what you believe then fair enough/ I want a new film as much as the next fan and I am 50/50 on a retcon, I just personally believe there should be better reasons for an actual retcon other than not liking Alien 3, with Resurrection I would understand more, because it altered the tone of the series drastically and added silly elements like superheroes.
The magic doesn't help either, so I can see why to some degree.
I appreciate what you're saying. Strictly speaking, I am coming to these discussions from a spirit of fun, because I really like the franchise, and having discussions with fellow fans on the subject as I am working on something in the background, is generally speaking a fun diversion. It is certainly not worth losing one's cool over it like some people, and calling people morons, boo-hoo-brigaders or what have you. That ruins everyone's fun. I appreciate you being level headed about this, and I'm totally ok with us not agreeing on the subject. That's part of the fun. That being said, here is why, from my perspective, I see the currently Ripley films as the core story.
I look at the core story, as that which has the maximum impact on humanity. In order to have an impact on humanity, there must be awareness of the aliens. The 4 films which feature Ripley, taken as a whole indicate that her encounters with the Aliens are the only recorded encounters with the species. Now you could fairly say that the company is lying about that, which opens up all sorts of convoluted explanations, but A:R itself, by virtue of the fact that they are desperately trying to get Alien DNA from her blood samples, proves that this is the truth. So if you accept A:3 and A:R as canon, it stands to reason that the encounters are the only ones which carried any far-reaching consequences for humanity up to the end of Alien:Resurrection. There is an implication there that the entire crew of the Covenant is lost somehow, or perhaps they are in hibernation past the events of Resurrection. Do you see the logic I am getting at here?
The lady at Ripley's interrogation at the beginning of Aliens said that the alien which Ripley describes is something that was never recorded once in over 300 surveyed worlds. If this is true, it implies that the events of Alien Covenant and it's potential sequels will effectively spin off into inconsequence. So the way I see it, from an in-universe perspective, these films are the core story.
Now, from a real life perspective, the world knows that the Alien franchise started with Alien, and then Aliens made it super popular worldwide. So those are the core films. Everything else, builds on those films for better or for worse. Anyway, that's just the way I see it. You're welcome, and entitled to a different perspective. I'm just sharing my logic. It's all in fun. ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2017, 03:12:29 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2017, 03:12:29 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 09, 2017, 10:39:00 PMIt's about the core story.
You carry on about "core story" (whatever that even means) but the simple fact is Ripley's tale was done. There's only so much you can do with her in the context of an Alien film. She survived the horror, she went back and faced it, and ultimately she gave her life to destroy it. There isn't really much more you could do with her without it simply being repetitive.
Resurrection did try something new, and while I liked the idea of a Ripely/Alien hybrid, the film wasted the concept. Bottom line, forget Ripely and whatever this "core story" stuff is - do something new.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 09, 2017, 10:44:46 PMPrecisely. A3 and A4 backed the universe into a corner of limited creative possibilities.
No it didn't. In any way, shape or form.
The idea you couldn't possibly make another film around those movies is literally preposterous.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2017, 03:22:32 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2017, 03:22:32 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2017, 03:12:29 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 09, 2017, 10:39:00 PMIt's about the core story.
You carry on about "core story" (whatever that even means) but the simple fact is Ripley's tale was done. There's only so much you can do with her in the context of an Alien film. She survived the horror, she went back and faced it, and ultimately she gave her life to destroy it. There isn't really much more you could do with her without it simply being repetitive.
Resurrection did try something new, and while I liked the idea of a Ripely/Alien hybrid, the film wasted the concept. Bottom line, forget Ripely and whatever this "core story" stuff is - do something new.Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 09, 2017, 10:44:46 PMPrecisely. A3 and A4 backed the universe into a corner of limited creative possibilities.
No it didn't. In any way, shape or form.
The idea you couldn't possibly make another film around those movies is literally preposterous.
Sea of Sorrows continues from Resurrection I believe and so does its sequels. LV-178 had Xenomorphs on it though I am not sure why you like the idea of a Alien/Human hybrid, that is...well a silly concept :P and goes against the tone of the franchise in my opinion. :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2017, 03:28:05 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2017, 03:28:05 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2017, 03:22:32 PMI am not sure why you like the idea of a Alien/Human hybrid, that is...well a silly concept :P
Probably should've explained I meant Ripely 8, not the Newborn :laugh:
I like the fact that she isn't Ripley any more. It gives the character something new and stops her being a simple retread. Plus Weaver clearly has a ball playing something no longer human, her performance is really good. Sadly a lot of the conflict between her human and Alien DNA was dropped from the movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2017, 03:32:55 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2017, 03:32:55 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2017, 03:28:05 PMQuote from: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2017, 03:22:32 PMI am not sure why you like the idea of a Alien/Human hybrid, that is...well a silly concept :P
Probably should've explained I meant Ripely 8, not the Newborn :laugh:
I like the fact that she isn't Ripley any more. It gives the character something new and stops her being a simple retread. Plus Weaver clearly has a ball playing something no longer human, her performance is really good. Sadly a lot of the conflict between her human and Alien DNA was dropped from the movie.
I was talking about Ripley 8 hahaha I don't mind her not being..well, her in personality, there I agree with you because it makes her more of a new character, instead of just retreading an old path and yes her performance was good, Weaver really did nail that shot with the ball. I just disagree with making her a superhero with powers. Too over the top.
The novel had more severe crossings I believe, she had the dorsal tubes right?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2017, 03:34:03 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2017, 03:34:03 PM
Yeah and they were cut off from what I remember. I loved the Ripley 8 concept. The novelization does it far more interestingly. Gets into it a bit better. I would have loved to have seen more of that explored.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2017, 03:37:24 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2017, 03:37:24 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2017, 03:32:55 PMI just disagree with making her a superhero with powers. Too over the top.
I wouldn't go as far as calling them super-powers - she had slightly acidic blood, greater strength, quick healing and an ability to sense when Aliens were nearby... But those are all things the Alien has anyway, so I buy it. Plus for all her prowess, you never really get the feeling she's particularly safe from them.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2017, 03:32:55 PMThe novel had more severe crossings I believe, she had the dorsal tubes right?
At the infant stage. They surgically remove them long before she grows to adulthood.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2017, 03:42:47 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2017, 03:42:47 PM
@Hicks
I can believe that, Novels do add flavor even if they do contradict source material.
Such actually physical changes would be less...well not sure if to say over the top, but more plausible because such severe physical changes would perhaps justify her enhanced strength and acid blood, because other than her nails in the movie, she looks human and how acid, even diluted is supposed to flow through her human (human-like veins) without killing her is a mystery.
@Leigh
Yes but Aliens have the physical body and biology for what they can do, in the movie, Ripley 8 is human apart from what she can do, hence why its an issue for me. If she had more Xeno physical symptom, I might be able to buy it.
I can believe that, Novels do add flavor even if they do contradict source material.
Such actually physical changes would be less...well not sure if to say over the top, but more plausible because such severe physical changes would perhaps justify her enhanced strength and acid blood, because other than her nails in the movie, she looks human and how acid, even diluted is supposed to flow through her human (human-like veins) without killing her is a mystery.
@Leigh
Yes but Aliens have the physical body and biology for what they can do, in the movie, Ripley 8 is human apart from what she can do, hence why its an issue for me. If she had more Xeno physical symptom, I might be able to buy it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2017, 03:49:04 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 10, 2017, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2017, 03:42:47 PMYes but Aliens have the physical body and biology for what they can do, in the movie, Ripley 8 is human apart from what she can do, hence why its an issue for me. If she had more Xeno physical symptom, I might be able to buy it.
I think that's partly the issue with the film, they dialled it back to the point where it seems like she's just a normal person, but happens to have the odd freaky Alien trait.
The novel makes it far more clear that, while she may look human, she definitely isn't.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2017, 03:57:52 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2017, 03:57:52 PM
Yes, if they had made it clear that externally she looked human but internally she had the complete structure of an Alien and the muscle and bone of them, bar the obvious shape like the head etc, then its less jarring but then how realistic is a crossing like this? Hybrids do exist i.e Ligers and Tigons but that is from a more natural method...so to speak, would cloning really do this?
See from my point of view, the Aliens seriously started off realistically, and avoided going to in depth into tech to keep it ambiguous such as how space travel worked etc.
Resurrection just doesn't have that tone, Ripley 8 is not the only ridicules thing in it.
I enjoy Resurrection for what it is of course, it is a fun film when like it for its merits and mindless fun, but its no Alien film to me, a parody at best.
See from my point of view, the Aliens seriously started off realistically, and avoided going to in depth into tech to keep it ambiguous such as how space travel worked etc.
Resurrection just doesn't have that tone, Ripley 8 is not the only ridicules thing in it.
I enjoy Resurrection for what it is of course, it is a fun film when like it for its merits and mindless fun, but its no Alien film to me, a parody at best.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ840 on Jan 10, 2017, 08:44:30 PM
Post by: Russ840 on Jan 10, 2017, 08:44:30 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2017, 03:57:52 PM
Yes, if they had made it clear that externally she looked human but internally she had the complete structure of an Alien and the muscle and bone of them, bar the obvious shape like the head etc, then its less jarring but then how realistic is a crossing like this? Hybrids do exist i.e Ligers and Tigons but that is from a more natural method...so to speak, would cloning really do this?
See from my point of view, the Aliens seriously started off realistically, and avoided going to in depth into tech to keep it ambiguous such as how space travel worked etc.
Resurrection just doesn't have that tone, Ripley 8 is not the only ridicules thing in it.
I enjoy Resurrection for what it is of course, it is a fun film when like it for its merits and mindless fun, but its no Alien film to me, a parody at best.
Dude. I see the first three as one, gritty, faux realistic story with a beginning middle and end.
Resurrection, for me, is like a comic book Aliens story come to life. I like it for what it is but I treat it as a new story and something separate than the preceding three.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 10, 2017, 09:26:46 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 10, 2017, 09:26:46 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 10, 2017, 03:34:03 PM
Yeah and they were cut off from what I remember. I loved the Ripley 8 concept. The novelization does it far more interestingly. Gets into it a bit better. I would have loved to have seen more of that explored.
She has scars on her back but they're all but impossible to spot in the final film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 10, 2017, 09:32:58 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 10, 2017, 09:32:58 PM
Alien: Resurrection had a perfect opportunity to be a beautiful, cerebral sci-fi movie. But it's most interesting elements were underdeveloped. You have these two specimens who discover each other, and are beautiful and powerful but are seen as less than human. I really would have liked to see them bring each other's humanity out in more ways, stronger ways. Call should've been revealed as an android immediately. The best parts of this movie are Ripley and Call's moments. Principally their initial meeting, and the chapel scene.
It would've been the Ripley and Call show if I were writing, and the movie would open with Ripley's wheat field nightmare, and then would show Call the Auton getting away. Less concern with a Ten Little Indians paradigm, more science. More scenes like the clone discovery as well. Call also would have been more robotic.
A4 really does have some of the franchise's best dialogue though: "I should have known. No human being is that humane..."
It would've been the Ripley and Call show if I were writing, and the movie would open with Ripley's wheat field nightmare, and then would show Call the Auton getting away. Less concern with a Ten Little Indians paradigm, more science. More scenes like the clone discovery as well. Call also would have been more robotic.
A4 really does have some of the franchise's best dialogue though: "I should have known. No human being is that humane..."
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Alien Predator on Jan 10, 2017, 09:56:17 PM
Post by: The Alien Predator on Jan 10, 2017, 09:56:17 PM
While it's been several threads of back and forth debating, 122 pages on this one alone...
I feel that if we were to all meet and go to a pub together, it'd go a lot like this. :laugh:
Bishop, what'd Hicks tell you about knocking away Huda's cup? :P
I feel that if we were to all meet and go to a pub together, it'd go a lot like this. :laugh:
Bishop, what'd Hicks tell you about knocking away Huda's cup? :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 10, 2017, 09:56:22 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 10, 2017, 09:56:22 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 10, 2017, 09:32:58 PM
A4 really does have some of the franchise's best dialogue though: "I should have known. No human being is that humane..."
"Fork."
"f**k."
::) :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 10, 2017, 09:58:47 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 10, 2017, 09:58:47 PM
No, more like the example I gave.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 10, 2017, 10:40:33 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 10, 2017, 10:40:33 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 10, 2017, 09:58:47 PM
No, more like the example I gave.
" Earth, man. What a shithole."
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 10, 2017, 10:50:59 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 10, 2017, 10:50:59 PM
Ehh, I don't like that one.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 10, 2017, 10:51:36 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 10, 2017, 10:51:36 PM
"Kill you! Does that compute? Or would you like me to draw you a schematic?*GACKK*"
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 10, 2017, 10:54:25 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 10, 2017, 10:54:25 PM
Yeah, I like that one.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Master on Jan 10, 2017, 10:58:38 PM
Post by: Master on Jan 10, 2017, 10:58:38 PM
Who do I have to f**k to get off this boat?
I can get you off. Maybe not the boat.
Oh, Johner is such cool guy :D
I can get you off. Maybe not the boat.
Oh, Johner is such cool guy :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 10, 2017, 11:02:04 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 10, 2017, 11:02:04 PM
Yeah, Johner is such a cool guy.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Alien Predator on Jan 10, 2017, 11:33:12 PM
Post by: The Alien Predator on Jan 10, 2017, 11:33:12 PM
"This would make a nice souvenir."
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 10, 2017, 11:38:08 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 10, 2017, 11:38:08 PM
I like that one!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2017, 11:52:40 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 10, 2017, 11:52:40 PM
"I can get you off, maybe not this boat" of something like that lol Johner was entertaining.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 10, 2017, 11:54:48 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 10, 2017, 11:54:48 PM
Lol that was great!!!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Alien Predator on Jan 11, 2017, 12:04:27 AM
Post by: The Alien Predator on Jan 11, 2017, 12:04:27 AM
I love the part when he made the monkey noises and dropped that knife on the crippled guy's leg randomly.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 11, 2017, 12:10:16 AM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 11, 2017, 12:10:16 AM
I find that funny too, as well as how Johner didn't realize he could have easily killed him like that. He could bleed to death due to the arteries in the leg.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 12:13:49 AM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 12:13:49 AM
Do you guys think Dr. Wren would've helped him if he was bleeding to death orrrrr like, what?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Master on Jan 11, 2017, 12:13:59 AM
Post by: Master on Jan 11, 2017, 12:13:59 AM
Johner, Call, Vrees and R8 had such potential! Shame there was no sequel to A:R.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 12:36:35 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 12:36:35 AM
What's inside meeee??????!!!!!!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 12:52:15 AM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 12:52:15 AM
Does anyone know why the alternate scene where Johner removes the knife from Vriess and licks it isn't on any of the DVDs or box sets?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Jan 11, 2017, 12:53:21 AM
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Jan 11, 2017, 12:53:21 AM
"Blood samples. From Fiori 16." :-\
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Alien Predator on Jan 11, 2017, 01:01:22 AM
Post by: The Alien Predator on Jan 11, 2017, 01:01:22 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 12:36:35 AM
What's inside meeee??????!!!!!!
"WHAT'S IN f**kING SIDE ME!!!!???" :o
"A PARASITE!" >:(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 11, 2017, 01:04:09 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 11, 2017, 01:04:09 AM
"Waste of f**kin' ammo."
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 01:14:04 AM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 01:14:04 AM
"I don't even know where I am anymore."
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Alien Predator on Jan 11, 2017, 01:19:59 AM
Post by: The Alien Predator on Jan 11, 2017, 01:19:59 AM
"What do I do?"
"Grab the sticks!"
"Grab the sticks!"
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 01:21:18 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 01:21:18 AM
So back on track...
Assuming the derelict isn't destroyed in the events of Aliens, and Blomkamp's film takes place 30 years after the film, featuring Ripley, Hicks, and Rebecca, how would that work?
(They're just assumptions. Constructive answers please.)
Assuming the derelict isn't destroyed in the events of Aliens, and Blomkamp's film takes place 30 years after the film, featuring Ripley, Hicks, and Rebecca, how would that work?
(They're just assumptions. Constructive answers please.)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 01:40:03 AM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 01:40:03 AM
Jesus Christ this board sometimes.
Anyway, to follow your lead Perfect-Organism, I believe the juggernaut in Alien and Aliens is the one in that warehouse in Neill's concept art. Rebecca has been working at WY for years. It's a way to cope with her fears. When they discover a way to create aliens, she enlists the help of now retired SERGEANT MAJOR Hicks and Ripley. Hence Ripley with the bomb strapped to her. WY wants to control the aliens and use them for perhaps practical applications.
Anyway, to follow your lead Perfect-Organism, I believe the juggernaut in Alien and Aliens is the one in that warehouse in Neill's concept art. Rebecca has been working at WY for years. It's a way to cope with her fears. When they discover a way to create aliens, she enlists the help of now retired SERGEANT MAJOR Hicks and Ripley. Hence Ripley with the bomb strapped to her. WY wants to control the aliens and use them for perhaps practical applications.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 01:47:41 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 01:47:41 AM
Interesting. My problem with the derelict and the time gap co-inciding in the same film, is that it means that W-Y gets to have access to the Aliens immediately. It is not a question of 30 years. There is a whole compartment with thousands of eggs, so assuming that Kane wasn't simply so unlucky that he got infected with the one and only live one, odds are that the company gets to have aliens immediately, and not in 30 years time.
I am also of the mind-set that the derelict in the concept pictures is the same one as in Alien, but if we assume 30 years have passed, that creates some problems doesn't it?
Unless of course W-Y lies to the Ripley and the gang and tells them that the derelict was destroyed, and then 30 years later, an alien escapes...
I am also of the mind-set that the derelict in the concept pictures is the same one as in Alien, but if we assume 30 years have passed, that creates some problems doesn't it?
Unless of course W-Y lies to the Ripley and the gang and tells them that the derelict was destroyed, and then 30 years later, an alien escapes...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 01:54:17 AM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 01:54:17 AM
That is true. There's a possibility it could be a brand new one. But the one in the art looks very old and I think the fans will be excited to revisit an old favorite. It'll be nostalgic if it's the one from Alien Aliens and maybe one of Ridley's Alien films? Getting passed around throughout the galaxy in a sense.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 02:03:51 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 02:03:51 AM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 01:54:17 AM
That is true. There's a possibility it could be a brand new one. But the one in the art looks very old and I think the fans will be excited to revisit an old favorite. It'll be nostalgic if it's the one from Alien Aliens and maybe one of Ridley's Alien films? Getting passed around throughout the galaxy in a sense.
I agree. There is value in revisiting the old derelict, and it should then be considered that one side of it's hull has broken off as per James Cameron's epic film.
Moreover, and I recall someone mentioning this moths ago, that the idea of there being derelict juggernauts just sprinkled all over the galaxy that we keep running into, really diminishes the potency of the engineers. They can't keep crashing the same old ship all over the galaxy so many times. It's just too unlikely. If indeed this is a third Juggernaut derelict, then that would make it 3 in the series.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 02:53:10 AM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 02:53:10 AM
Exactly. It would dramatically diminish its aberrant quality. It's bad enough the LV-223 juggernaut evokes the original juggernaut in the way it lands in Prometheus. Hopefully we'll just be dealing with these two. Seeing the juggernaut in Covenant will actually evoke a sense of nostalgia for me actually. Complete with Shaw's dog tags.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Jan 11, 2017, 03:54:53 AM
Post by: windebieste on Jan 11, 2017, 03:54:53 AM
No one has ever seen its landing gear. lol. These could be one shot delivery systems. NASA, ESA, JAXA, Blue Origin, Space-X and military organisations around the world use them all the time. They're called rockets.
I'd definitely consider the Juggernaut class ships to be a one shot delivery systems. Just crash the vehicle into the Pacific Ocean. Job done. We know from the very beginning of 'PROMETHEUS' that Engineers are willing to sacrifice themselves. Kamikaze flights wouldn't be out of the question.
In which case, this does not 'dramatically diminish its aberrant quality' but rather amplifies it. After all, what was the Juggernaut pilot going to do after he reached Earth? drop his payload through the bomb bay doors and return for another load? Nah. That was going to be a suicide run for the big white Dude. After 2000 years in stasis, he had nothing to return home to.
So yes. Why shouldn't there be derelicts scattered across The Galaxy? All those worlds once populated by previous Engineer experiments are now destroyed with the Earth remaining as the Engineer's sole surviving petri dish.
Now that's a disturbing thought.
-Windebieste.
I'd definitely consider the Juggernaut class ships to be a one shot delivery systems. Just crash the vehicle into the Pacific Ocean. Job done. We know from the very beginning of 'PROMETHEUS' that Engineers are willing to sacrifice themselves. Kamikaze flights wouldn't be out of the question.
In which case, this does not 'dramatically diminish its aberrant quality' but rather amplifies it. After all, what was the Juggernaut pilot going to do after he reached Earth? drop his payload through the bomb bay doors and return for another load? Nah. That was going to be a suicide run for the big white Dude. After 2000 years in stasis, he had nothing to return home to.
So yes. Why shouldn't there be derelicts scattered across The Galaxy? All those worlds once populated by previous Engineer experiments are now destroyed with the Earth remaining as the Engineer's sole surviving petri dish.
Now that's a disturbing thought.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 04:54:02 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 04:54:02 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Jan 11, 2017, 03:54:53 AM
No one has ever seen its landing gear. lol. These could be one shot delivery systems. NASA, ESA, JAXA, Blue Origin, Space-X and military organisations around the world use them all the time. They're called rockets.
I'd definitely consider the Juggernaut class ships to be a one shot delivery systems. Just crash the vehicle into the Pacific Ocean. Job done. We know from the very beginning of 'PROMETHEUS' that Engineers are willing to sacrifice themselves. Kamikaze flights wouldn't be out of the question.
In which case, this does not 'dramatically diminish its aberrant quality' but rather amplifies it. After all, what was the Juggernaut pilot going to do after he reached Earth? drop his payload through the bomb bay doors and return for another load? Nah. That was going to be a suicide run for the big white Dude. After 2000 years in stasis, he had nothing to return home to.
So yes. Why shouldn't there be derelicts scattered across The Galaxy? All those worlds once populated by previous Engineer experiments are now destroyed with the Earth remaining as the Engineer's sole surviving petri dish.
Now that's a disturbing thought.
-Windebieste.
I have to hand it to you, that's actually a really cool idea. No landing gear, because they always crash. Huh! I even like the sacrificial engineer idea.
Note how far the Juggernaut fell in Prometheus without sustaining "visible" damage though? That's pretty impressive. Perhaps that actually dovetails well with your theory. If it can withstand such a crash, perhaps that is helpful for reentry purposes as well?
I thought it might be interesting if they discovered the fallen Juggernaut on LV-223, but it wouldn't make sense for them to use a wreck when there appear to be many ships there..
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: windebieste on Jan 11, 2017, 05:20:30 AM
Post by: windebieste on Jan 11, 2017, 05:20:30 AM
Thank you, and of course, it's all speculation. There's so much about these vehicles we still have no idea about. They sure do appear to be durable to the point of being almost unbreakable - except the Derelict in 'ALIENS' does have a damaged fuselage. Mind you, that one was exposed to the elements and possibly affected by lava flow. The 'PROMETHEUS' Juggernaut was garaged very securely.
It will be interesting to see what we learn from the vehicle that appears in 'ALIEN: Covenant'. It appears to be in a very complete state as well despite having plowed through a forest of enormous trees.
-Windebieste.
It will be interesting to see what we learn from the vehicle that appears in 'ALIEN: Covenant'. It appears to be in a very complete state as well despite having plowed through a forest of enormous trees.
-Windebieste.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 11, 2017, 09:28:58 AM
Post by: SM on Jan 11, 2017, 09:28:58 AM
QuoteNote how far the Juggernaut fell in Prometheus without sustaining "visible" damage though?
The inside was a bit knacked. The outside wasn't even scorched from the Prometheus explosion.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 09:36:29 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 09:36:29 AM
Quote from: SM on Jan 11, 2017, 09:28:58 AMQuoteNote how far the Juggernaut fell in Prometheus without sustaining "visible" damage though?
The inside was a bit knacked. The outside wasn't even scorched from the Prometheus explosion.
Something certainly broke inside, otherwise it wouldn't have fallen.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2017, 10:26:07 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 11, 2017, 10:26:07 AM
Quote from: Master on Jan 10, 2017, 10:58:38 PM
Who do I have to f**k to get off this boat?
I can get you off. Maybe not the boat.
Oh, Johner is such cool guy :D
Hated that line. I pretty much hated most of Johner's dialogue. Awful.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Master on Jan 11, 2017, 10:37:28 AM
Post by: Master on Jan 11, 2017, 10:37:28 AM
Preposterous! Johner is great, especially his mocking of Call. Secure that shit Huds... er, Hicks! ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 02:30:48 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 02:30:48 PM
Yeah most of his dialogue was awful and served no purpose. Obnoxious.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Master on Jan 11, 2017, 04:15:52 PM
Post by: Master on Jan 11, 2017, 04:15:52 PM
???
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 09:20:27 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 09:20:27 PM
Oh come on guys! We were actually starting to have a normal, constructive, civilized conversation about Blomkamp's proposed film, dare I say for the first time in 120 pages... lol! :P
Take two...
I have to say I'm really impressed with the headquarters of W-Y that was shown in the original concept art. It looks almost like something out of Bladerunner. I don't think it dimistifies W-Y to show this citadel. I wonder if that would be on earth...
Take two...
I have to say I'm really impressed with the headquarters of W-Y that was shown in the original concept art. It looks almost like something out of Bladerunner. I don't think it dimistifies W-Y to show this citadel. I wonder if that would be on earth...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 11, 2017, 09:25:07 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 11, 2017, 09:25:07 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 02:30:48 PM
Yeah most of his dialogue was awful and served no purpose. Obnoxious.
The film was full of zippy one liners that made my eyes roll right out of my head, most likely courtesy of Whedon. (not that I really mind Whedon's dialogue usually but was really out of place in an alien film.)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 09:36:29 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 09:36:29 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 09:20:27 PM
Oh come on guys! We were actually starting to have a normal, constructive, civilized conversation about Blomkamp's proposed film, dare I say for the first time in 120 pages... lol! :P
Take two...
I have to say I'm really impressed with the headquarters of W-Y that was shown in the original concept art. It looks almost like something out of Bladerunner. I don't think it dimistifies W-Y to show this citadel. I wonder if that would be on earth...
Oh the headquarters are my favorite parts of his concept art. It looks so big and futuristic, and the garden area is a nice touch. Neill's a big fan of Blade Runner. I have a feeling it's all on another planet though, not Earth. I picture the CEO or an exec of WY showing Ripley around. "This isn't the WY of your time. We're a newer, safer, nobler WY." while Ripley rolls her eyes. Maybe we can have a reference to Peter Weyland. Something ingrained on the wall when you enter: "We are the gods now." And maybe even a reference to a David 8, the David 8 we know. Maybe David 8 will be the CEO eventually in one of the prequels...getting ahead of myself now lol. I would like references to David 8 and Bishop though, while we get treated to an all new android.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 09:41:00 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 09:41:00 PM
We're really OT, but I think that a lot of the humor is very much Jean-Pierre Jeunet. As much as this film is seen as the fourth installment of the Aliens franchise, you could also say that it is an installment of the Jeunet franchise, and exploring those films would give you a much greater understanding of the humor that he employs. When I heard that he was making A:R, I was super excited because I am a big fan of his. A:R lived up to expectations as a Jeunet film but perhaps not as an Alien film.
I recommend watching the following films in this order:
Delicatesen (1991)
The City of Lost Children (1995)
Alien: Resurrection (1997)
I recommend watching the following films in this order:
Delicatesen (1991)
The City of Lost Children (1995)
Alien: Resurrection (1997)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 09:45:50 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 09:45:50 PM
Well what's interesting is that A:R was his first film solo(excluding his directing partner), and it was his first American film, and it was his... first studio film?
Really would've preferred ANYONE ELSE on that list though: Peter Jackson, Bryan Singer, David Cronenberg and Danny Boyle. Oh Paul W.S. Anderson was on there too, besides him. But of course of those five, who was the one who was eventually brought back to do another one? Anderson. Of course. Naturally. We're Alien fans, we get punished a lot. 'course.
Really would've preferred ANYONE ELSE on that list though: Peter Jackson, Bryan Singer, David Cronenberg and Danny Boyle. Oh Paul W.S. Anderson was on there too, besides him. But of course of those five, who was the one who was eventually brought back to do another one? Anderson. Of course. Naturally. We're Alien fans, we get punished a lot. 'course.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 09:46:15 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 09:46:15 PM
I would say the main thing that turned me off about the proposed artwork was Ripley in the Alien outfit. Again, that veers off into Superhero territory, just like Ripley 8 and I am not a fan of it. I hope Blomkamp understands this, and perhaps Ridley Scott dissuades him from that angle.
It never gets mentioned, but Fifield also enters into super-hero territory, or rather super-villain / zombie. I'm still not 100% on board with Fifield..
It never gets mentioned, but Fifield also enters into super-hero territory, or rather super-villain / zombie. I'm still not 100% on board with Fifield..
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 09:50:37 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 09:50:37 PM
Oh man, I love her in that suit. It feels inevitable that she "becomes" the thing she hates. I understand you though. The INTERESTING aspect though, is: what's her goal in doing it? Is she going into a hive full of aliens? Is she doing it to ward off a human villain of sorts? Was it built from a real alien? Obviously real aliens would be able to smell that she isn't real, but maybe it is a sophisticated enough suit...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 11, 2017, 10:09:12 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 11, 2017, 10:09:12 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 10, 2017, 11:02:04 PM
Yeah, Johner is such a cool guy.
Because he was played by great actor, Ron Perlman :). I love his performance as Salvatore in The Name of The Rose.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 10:58:38 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 11, 2017, 10:58:38 PM
So yeah Perfect-Organism, I'm really curious as to where they're going to take the xeno-suit thing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 11:28:40 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 11:28:40 PM
You know, I guess I'm not opposed to the idea on principle, but rather on execution. It is obvious that the headgear she is wearing is stylized to look like a super-hero mask of sorts. I mean she can't be wearing an alien's real head because the dome is too short (unless she got it from a very young alien). It looks too "designed" in a fashion sense.
Now this idea of an "alien-suit" is now a part of the established-canon, because we see an Engineer wearing a "suit" of sorts. Now the suit he has on is literally fused to his body as can be evidenced by the lack of any seam around his neck, but it somehow looks good and acceptable. It doesn't look like a caricature. That's the big point of difference.
Now this idea of an "alien-suit" is now a part of the established-canon, because we see an Engineer wearing a "suit" of sorts. Now the suit he has on is literally fused to his body as can be evidenced by the lack of any seam around his neck, but it somehow looks good and acceptable. It doesn't look like a caricature. That's the big point of difference.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 10:14:26 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 10:14:26 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 09:41:00 PM
I recommend watching the following films in this order:
Delicatesen (1991)
The City of Lost Children (1995)
Alien: Resurrection (1997)
JPJ is fantastic. I love his other work - especially City of Lost Children. Just don't think he was right for an Alien film.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 11:28:40 PM
You know, I guess I'm not opposed to the idea on principle, but rather on execution. It is obvious that the headgear she is wearing is stylized to look like a super-hero mask of sorts. I mean she can't be wearing an alien's real head because the dome is too short (unless she got it from a very young alien). It looks too "designed" in a fashion sense.
Now this idea of an "alien-suit" is now a part of the established-canon, because we see an Engineer wearing a "suit" of sorts. Now the suit he has on is literally fused to his body as can be evidenced by the lack of any seam around his neck, but it somehow looks good and acceptable. It doesn't look like a caricature. That's the big point of difference.
I'm not opposed to the concept either. Just hope it looks right on screen. As you say, the concept works because we've seen the Engineer suits but if it looks dodgy, we'll never let it go.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 10:19:11 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 10:19:11 AM
I don't think Resurrection is particularly bad movie, it's just a terrible Alien movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 11:18:37 AM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 11:18:37 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 10:14:26 AMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 11, 2017, 09:41:00 PM
I recommend watching the following films in this order:
Delicatesen (1991)
The City of Lost Children (1995)
Alien: Resurrection (1997)
JPJ is fantastic. I love his other work - especially City of Lost Children. Just don't think he was right for an Alien film.
It wasn't his fault. I think he made a great job as a director. Imaging him making an Alien movie based on amazing script.
The City of Lost Children is great!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 11:23:14 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 11:23:14 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 11:18:37 AM
It wasn't his fault. I think he made a great job as a director. Imaging him making an Alien movie based on amazing script.
I don't think he or Whedon were a right fit for the universe, especially not together. I love them both in their own stuff but just not on Alien.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 12:08:19 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 12:08:19 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 11:23:14 AMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 11:18:37 AM
It wasn't his fault. I think he made a great job as a director. Imaging him making an Alien movie based on amazing script.
I don't think he or Whedon were a right fit for the universe, especially not together. I love them both in their own stuff but just not on Alien.
Who would you like to have directed A:R?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2017, 12:35:15 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2017, 12:35:15 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 10:19:11 AM
I don't think Resurrection is particularly bad movie, it's just a terrible Alien movie.
Indeed, I can easily enjoy the movie but its more of an Alien parody to me. Its tone and concepts too over the top to be an alien movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 01:14:43 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 01:14:43 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2017, 12:35:15 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 10:19:11 AM
I don't think Resurrection is particularly bad movie, it's just a terrible Alien movie.
Indeed, I can easily enjoy the movie but its more of an Alien parody to me. Its tone and concepts too over the top to be an alien movie.
I enjoy this movie as long as I don't take it seriously.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 01:35:06 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 01:35:06 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 12:08:19 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 11:23:14 AMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 11:18:37 AM
It wasn't his fault. I think he made a great job as a director. Imaging him making an Alien movie based on amazing script.
I don't think he or Whedon were a right fit for the universe, especially not together. I love them both in their own stuff but just not on Alien.
Who would you like to have directed A:R?
To be honest, I liked a lot of the names being bandied about before JPJ came onboard. I think Danny Boyle would have been able to make a nice Alien film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 02:01:32 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 02:01:32 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 01:35:06 PMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 12:08:19 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 11:23:14 AMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 11:18:37 AM
It wasn't his fault. I think he made a great job as a director. Imaging him making an Alien movie based on amazing script.
I don't think he or Whedon were a right fit for the universe, especially not together. I love them both in their own stuff but just not on Alien.
Who would you like to have directed A:R?
To be honest, I liked a lot of the names being bandied about before JPJ came onboard. I think Danny Boyle would have been able to make a nice Alien film.
Boyle is very talented but I don't think that even he could have changed A:R for better. Besides I like JPJ's unique visual style. It's very grotesque and fits Alien universe.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 12, 2017, 03:49:45 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 12, 2017, 03:49:45 PM
Boyle was Ryder's idea. They even had lunch.
Would've loved to see Bryan Singer take it, hot off The Usual Suspects.
Would've loved to see Bryan Singer take it, hot off The Usual Suspects.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2017, 03:55:18 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2017, 03:55:18 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 02:01:32 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 01:35:06 PMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 12:08:19 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 11:23:14 AMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 11:18:37 AM
It wasn't his fault. I think he made a great job as a director. Imaging him making an Alien movie based on amazing script.
I don't think he or Whedon were a right fit for the universe, especially not together. I love them both in their own stuff but just not on Alien.
Who would you like to have directed A:R?
To be honest, I liked a lot of the names being bandied about before JPJ came onboard. I think Danny Boyle would have been able to make a nice Alien film.
Boyle is very talented but I don't think that even he could have changed A:R for better. Besides I like JPJ's unique visual style. It's very grotesque and fits Alien universe.
I think Boyle could have made an awesome Alien film, the style and tone of his films would be a perfect match. I would have loved to have seen what he could have done with Alien Resurrection.
JPJ's visual style was okay but the tone and humor of his work were so very wrong for this franchise.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 03:58:56 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 03:58:56 PM
Judging by Sunshine, I think Boyle could've made a superb Alien movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2017, 04:09:02 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2017, 04:09:02 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 03:58:56 PM
Judging by Sunshine, I think Boyle could've made a superb Alien movie.
Saw that film once, Cillian Murphy is in it right? Good film. Danny would have done a good Alien film, especially since his 28 days later shows his horror credentials.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 04:17:27 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 04:17:27 PM
That's the one.
Plot's totally different, of course, but there's quite a bit in that film that evokes Alien.
Plot's totally different, of course, but there's quite a bit in that film that evokes Alien.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 04:42:25 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 04:42:25 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 03:58:56 PM
Judging by Sunshine, I think Boyle could've made a superb Alien movie.
Agree that Boyle could have made superb Alien movie, but we were talking about him directing A:R. I claim that he wouldn't have made it better than JPJ. Of course we'll never find out that. It's just a speculation.
It's my 666th post ;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2017, 04:47:39 PM
Post by: The Cruentus on Jan 12, 2017, 04:47:39 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 04:42:25 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 03:58:56 PM
Judging by Sunshine, I think Boyle could've made a superb Alien movie.
Agree that Boyle could have made superb Alien movie, but we were talking about him directing A:R. I claim that he wouldn't have made it better than JPJ. Of course we'll never find out that. It's just a speculation.
It's my 666th post ;D
I was wondering why there was a bunch of chanting going on. :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 05:02:26 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 05:02:26 PM
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jan 12, 2017, 05:12:45 PM
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Jan 12, 2017, 05:12:45 PM
I nearly lost it when they played that as their opening track during the 2003 tour! :laugh: Probably their last great tour too :(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 05:27:53 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 05:27:53 PM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jan 12, 2017, 05:12:45 PM
I nearly lost it when they played that as their opening track during the 2003 tour! :laugh: Probably their last great tour too :(
Yeah. Up the Irons! i've seen them in Poland in 2003 and guess what song they played first? The Number of the Beast ;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 06:16:49 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 06:16:49 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 04:42:25 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 03:58:56 PM
Judging by Sunshine, I think Boyle could've made a superb Alien movie.
Agree that Boyle could have made superb Alien movie, but we were talking about him directing A:R. I claim that he wouldn't have made it better than JPJ. Of course we'll never find out that. It's just a speculation.
It'd have been half as comedic.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 06:36:35 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 06:36:35 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 06:16:49 PMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 04:42:25 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 03:58:56 PM
Judging by Sunshine, I think Boyle could've made a superb Alien movie.
Agree that Boyle could have made superb Alien movie, but we were talking about him directing A:R. I claim that he wouldn't have made it better than JPJ. Of course we'll never find out that. It's just a speculation.
It'd have been half as comedic.
Who knows? Boyle's got bizarre sense of humour (Trainspotting). I've never read the script so I don't know who was responsible for that comedic (I like its dark humor though) tone. Joss Whedon or JPJ?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 06:39:31 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 06:39:31 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 06:36:35 PM
I've never read the script so I don't know who was responsible for that comedic (I like its dark humor though) tone. Joss Whedon or JPJ?
Both of them. The script is overly comedic anyway and then you add JPJ's unique style to it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 06:59:36 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 06:59:36 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 06:39:31 PMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 06:36:35 PM
I've never read the script so I don't know who was responsible for that comedic (I like its dark humor though) tone. Joss Whedon or JPJ?
Both of them. The script is overly comedic anyway and then you add JPJ's unique style to it.
Then alternative director (Boyle or someone else) would have had problems changing its tone.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2017, 07:08:09 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2017, 07:08:09 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 06:59:36 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 06:39:31 PMQuote from: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 06:36:35 PM
I've never read the script so I don't know who was responsible for that comedic (I like its dark humor though) tone. Joss Whedon or JPJ?
Both of them. The script is overly comedic anyway and then you add JPJ's unique style to it.
Then alternative director (Boyle or someone else) would have had problems changing its tone.
Why? You would have had some zippy one liners and dialogue but the goofy tone that JPJ is known for and that is very present in resurrection would have been avoided.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 12, 2017, 08:10:18 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 12, 2017, 08:10:18 PM
If I recall correctly, Ewan McGregor would've been Vriess if it was Boyle directing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2017, 08:12:31 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2017, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 12, 2017, 08:10:18 PM
If I recall correctly, Ewan McGregor would've been Vriess if it was Boyle directing.
Man I hated that character, not sure if I just hated the character or that actors portrayal though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 08:14:13 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Jan 12, 2017, 08:14:13 PM
He's someone else I loved in JPJ's other films.
Do you remember where you heard that?
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jan 12, 2017, 08:10:18 PM
If I recall correctly, Ewan McGregor would've been Vriess if it was Boyle directing.
Do you remember where you heard that?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 12, 2017, 08:27:35 PM
Post by: BishopShouldGo on Jan 12, 2017, 08:27:35 PM
Sadly it was so long ago, I can't recall the source.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 09:36:08 PM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 09:36:08 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2017, 08:12:31 PMMan I hated that character, not sure if I just hated the character or that actors portrayal though.
I think a lot of it was down to the fact he was performing in a second language.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 12, 2017, 09:38:03 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 12, 2017, 09:38:03 PM
Resurrection would also be greatly helped by not killing off Michael Wincott so early.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 09:41:10 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 09:41:10 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 09:36:08 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2017, 08:12:31 PMMan I hated that character, not sure if I just hated the character or that actors portrayal though.
I think a lot of it was down to the fact he was performing in a second language.
I actually like Vriess. Dominique Pinon did a good job.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 12, 2017, 09:38:03 PM
Resurrection would also be greatly helped by not killing off Michael Wincott so early.
Wincott's death was a surprise. I like surprises :) This is Alien movie. No remorse.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2017, 09:46:57 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2017, 09:46:57 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 09:41:10 PMQuote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 12, 2017, 09:36:08 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2017, 08:12:31 PMMan I hated that character, not sure if I just hated the character or that actors portrayal though.
I think a lot of it was down to the fact he was performing in a second language.
I actually like Vriess. Dominique Pinon did a good job.Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 12, 2017, 09:38:03 PM
Resurrection would also be greatly helped by not killing off Michael Wincott so early.
Wincott's death was a surprise. I like surprises :) This is Alien movie. No remorse.
Every scene where Vriess talks annoys the hell out of me, even when I watched it at the theater.
Wincott was great in the scenes he had, I would have prefered they killed Christie instead, that guy came off as a cartoon to me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 10:38:54 PM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 10:38:54 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2017, 09:46:57 PM
Every scene where Vriess talks annoys the hell out of me, even when I watched it at the theater.
Annoys in what way? Accent? I'm not bothered about that at all maybe because English is not mother tongue.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Jan 12, 2017, 11:02:23 PM
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Jan 12, 2017, 11:02:23 PM
Wow, Vriess was practically the only character I liked in that movie!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2017, 11:11:04 PM
Post by: SM on Jan 12, 2017, 11:11:04 PM
I think they changed his line to 'Who were you expecting? Santa Claus?' because he couldn't get his mouth around 'Who were you expecting? The Easter Bunny?' and kept saying 'Eastern Bunny'.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2017, 11:26:23 PM
Post by: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2017, 11:26:23 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Jan 12, 2017, 10:38:54 PMQuote from: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2017, 09:46:57 PM
Every scene where Vriess talks annoys the hell out of me, even when I watched it at the theater.
Annoys in what way? Accent? I'm not bothered about that at all maybe because English is not mother tongue.
Every way, the looks he gave, his lines, they way he delivered his lines and even his reaction to being burned by acid.. Like I said I don't know if it was the actor or just the character or maybe both but I couldn't stand him. I have seen clips of him in other films and had no problem with him at all.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Jan 13, 2017, 12:38:36 AM
Post by: OpenMaw on Jan 13, 2017, 12:38:36 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jan 12, 2017, 09:46:57 PM
Wincott was great in the scenes he had, I would have prefered they killed Christie instead, that guy came off as a cartoon to me.
Agreed. I don't know what the Hell was up with Christie honestly. There were some really odd quirks to his character. Like the look he get's in his eyes when he starts gunning down guards in the messhall. Comes off like some kind of a voodoo trance state or something.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 13, 2017, 07:59:50 AM
Post by: Ingwar on Jan 13, 2017, 07:59:50 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jan 12, 2017, 11:02:23 PM
Wow, Vriess was practically the only character I liked in that movie!
Same here + Johner.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 13, 2017, 08:12:18 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 13, 2017, 08:12:18 AM
I had an appreciation of the character particularly since I went in a Jeunet fan and Dominique Pinon was in his 2 previous films. He played it well, and about as expected. Moreover, when a director uses the same actor in his films, I see it as a very James Cameron thing to do and I appreciate it.
Damn, you guys are going to make me watch A:R again! I just came here to discuss Blomkamp's Alien film... Facepalm!
Damn, you guys are going to make me watch A:R again! I just came here to discuss Blomkamp's Alien film... Facepalm!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Jan 13, 2017, 08:44:32 AM
Post by: SiL on Jan 13, 2017, 08:44:32 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 13, 2017, 08:12:18 AMPlease, Cameron was hardly the first - or the most notable - example :P
I see it as a very James Cameron thing to do and I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 13, 2017, 10:52:53 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 13, 2017, 10:52:53 AM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 13, 2017, 08:44:32 AMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 13, 2017, 08:12:18 AMPlease, Cameron was hardly the first - or the most notable - example :P
I see it as a very James Cameron thing to do and I appreciate it.
I never said Cameron was the first to do it. I just think he did it to great effect.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Jan 13, 2017, 11:12:05 AM
Post by: SiL on Jan 13, 2017, 11:12:05 AM
I dunno, Cameron never threatened to shoot Biehn if he walked off set and that's just a deal breaker for Director/Actor combos.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 13, 2017, 01:10:29 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Jan 13, 2017, 01:10:29 PM
Quote from: SiL on Jan 13, 2017, 11:12:05 AM
I dunno, Cameron never threatened to shoot Biehn if he walked off set and that's just a deal breaker for Director/Actor combos.
Not sure I understand. So who threatened to shoot who? Did Biehn threaten Cameron? Did Dominique threaten Jeunet??
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2017, 01:43:24 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2017, 01:43:24 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 13, 2017, 01:10:29 PMQuote from: SiL on Jan 13, 2017, 11:12:05 AM
I dunno, Cameron never threatened to shoot Biehn if he walked off set and that's just a deal breaker for Director/Actor combos.
Not sure I understand. So who threatened to shoot who? Did Biehn threaten Cameron? Did Dominique threaten Jeunet??
I think he's referencing Herzog and Kinski.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 13, 2017, 03:40:19 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Jan 13, 2017, 03:40:19 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 13, 2017, 01:43:24 PMQuote from: Perfect-Organism on Jan 13, 2017, 01:10:29 PMQuote from: SiL on Jan 13, 2017, 11:12:05 AM
I dunno, Cameron never threatened to shoot Biehn if he walked off set and that's just a deal breaker for Director/Actor combos.
Not sure I understand. So who threatened to shoot who? Did Biehn threaten Cameron? Did Dominique threaten Jeunet??
I think he's referencing Herzog and Kinski.
Yeo, happened on the set of Aguirre: The Wrath of God.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Jon-Donson on Mar 09, 2017, 08:47:25 PM
Post by: Jon-Donson on Mar 09, 2017, 08:47:25 PM
Anyone know what potential plot bloomkans version went with? I remember Cameron saying it was 'gangbusters' which I found intriguing mainly because Cameron knows a thing or two about great scripts.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Mar 09, 2017, 09:20:23 PM
Post by: Valaquen on Mar 09, 2017, 09:20:23 PM
Quote from: Jon-Donson on Mar 09, 2017, 08:47:25 PM
Anyone know what potential plot bloomkans version went with? I remember Cameron saying it was 'gangbusters' which I found intriguing mainly because Cameron knows a thing or two about great scripts.
Cameron seems to be at a point in his career when he doesn't really want to be perceived as the rude iconoclast anymore, which is why I think he advertised Genisys. In his older interviews he's so dour and matter-of-fact; nowadays he is more animated and earnest. Maybe it's just me, though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Jon-Donson on Mar 09, 2017, 11:53:08 PM
Post by: Jon-Donson on Mar 09, 2017, 11:53:08 PM
I think you're right, he's reversed from being an outspoken opinionated filmmaker to a more considered fence-sitter. Truth is even though he tried to promote genisys you could see the pain in his face when being interviewed about it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Anthony on Apr 18, 2017, 02:19:14 AM
Post by: Anthony on Apr 18, 2017, 02:19:14 AM
Quote from: Jon-Donson on Mar 09, 2017, 08:47:25 PM
Anyone know what potential plot bloomkans version went with? I remember Cameron saying it was 'gangbusters' which I found intriguing mainly because Cameron knows a thing or two about great scripts.
The best hope we have is that the script leaks online.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on May 30, 2017, 02:54:45 AM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on May 30, 2017, 02:54:45 AM
Ridley Scott says there was no script. I honestly don't know what to believe anymore.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on May 30, 2017, 08:26:19 AM
Post by: Russ on May 30, 2017, 08:26:19 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 09, 2017, 09:20:23 PM
Cameron seems to be at a point in his career when he doesn't really want to be perceived as the rude iconoclast anymore, which is why I think he advertised Genisys. In his older interviews he's so dour and matter-of-fact; nowadays he is more animated and earnest. Maybe it's just me, though.
No, it's not you. I had a marathon Aliens / Alien3 session over our holiday weekend with all the special features and enhancement pods. The more grey and less ginger he gets, the nicer he becomes. What is interesting is how "cowed" and in awe of him the actors were. There's a scene where they're rehearsing to open the colony ("Hudson, run a by pass" - the lead up to that bit) and the way that Biehn and co are behaving - its like they're very nervous of getting it wrong. Talk about your listening actors right there. I mean of course they want to perform well, but they seem a little in awe like I say.
But yes - he's certainly mellowed with age.
I've seen Covenant now, btw - and I kind of wish they'd gone down the NB road in the first place.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: harlequinade on May 30, 2017, 04:36:48 PM
Post by: harlequinade on May 30, 2017, 04:36:48 PM
http://io9.gizmodo.com/neill-blomkamps-next-project-teases-new-horrors-and-an-1795637232
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 29, 2017, 05:25:32 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 29, 2017, 05:25:32 PM
Little tidbit Neill dropped today...
https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/935911851128373248 (https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/935911851128373248)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator)
Quote from: Neill Blomkampmy unmade alien script featured a space elevator
https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/935911851128373248 (https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/935911851128373248)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 29, 2017, 06:31:41 PM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 29, 2017, 06:31:41 PM
So we've got Fast Track to Heaven, Alien 3.2, Tim Lebbon's DH Press pitch and that Earthbound pitch. Folk love them some space elevator.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 29, 2017, 08:09:58 PM
Post by: KiramidHead on Nov 29, 2017, 08:09:58 PM
A space elevator also featured in one of the Total Recall 2 ideas.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Nov 29, 2017, 09:03:00 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Nov 29, 2017, 09:03:00 PM
One of the best utilized space elevator stories was Kim Stanley Robinson's Red Mars trilogy. At one point it crashed and wrapped itself around Mars...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 29, 2017, 09:04:04 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Nov 29, 2017, 09:04:04 PM
An express space elevator to hell, goin' down!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Alien Predator on Nov 30, 2017, 07:53:09 PM
Post by: The Alien Predator on Nov 30, 2017, 07:53:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 29, 2017, 06:31:41 PM
So we've got Fast Track to Heaven, Alien 3.2, Tim Lebbon's DH Press pitch and that Earthbound pitch. Folk love them some space elevator.
I liked how the Rage War had space elevators, and we get to see the aftermath of a destroyed one where its remains dotted the planet it was built on.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 30, 2017, 11:44:42 PM
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 30, 2017, 11:44:42 PM
Interesting. I just found a nice video which explains this kind of space transportation.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: skhellter on Dec 01, 2017, 06:40:33 AM
Post by: skhellter on Dec 01, 2017, 06:40:33 AM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 29, 2017, 05:25:32 PMQuote from: Neill Blomkampmy unmade alien script featured a space elevator
Every time he says "my alien script" i remember that Ridley very specifically said that
there was only ever a pitch document and no complete script.
:P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 01, 2017, 08:17:58 AM
Post by: KiramidHead on Dec 01, 2017, 08:17:58 AM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 01, 2017, 06:40:33 AMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 29, 2017, 05:25:32 PMQuote from: Neill Blomkampmy unmade alien script featured a space elevator
Every time he says "my alien script" i remember that Ridley very specifically said that
there was only ever a pitch document and no complete script.
:P
The blow holes are like, varying.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Dec 01, 2017, 09:16:32 AM
Post by: Russ on Dec 01, 2017, 09:16:32 AM
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: skhellter on Dec 01, 2017, 09:57:12 AM
Post by: skhellter on Dec 01, 2017, 09:57:12 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Dec 01, 2017, 08:17:58 AM
The blow holes are like, varying.
Beavis and Butthead f**king rule
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2017, 10:37:39 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2017, 10:37:39 AM
What Scott says these days isn't exactly reliable. :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Dec 01, 2017, 10:51:34 AM
Post by: Russ on Dec 01, 2017, 10:51:34 AM
I could literally just keep posting that dude meme to every comment I've read today :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: skhellter on Dec 01, 2017, 11:50:21 AM
Post by: skhellter on Dec 01, 2017, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 01, 2017, 10:37:39 AM
What Scott says these days isn't exactly reliable. :laugh:
Blomkamp's career has been consistently trash, tho. :laugh:
live forever, Riddlez. :'(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 01, 2017, 04:26:45 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 01, 2017, 04:26:45 PM
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 01, 2017, 06:40:33 AMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 29, 2017, 05:25:32 PMQuote from: Neill Blomkampmy unmade alien script featured a space elevator
Every time he says "my alien script" i remember that Ridley very specifically said that
there was only ever a pitch document and no complete script.
:P
Yeah but then there's Cameron and Weaver who said they read the script. And Ridley who previously said that the first draft was done and that he had read it. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 01, 2017, 10:08:06 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 01, 2017, 10:08:06 PM
Pants on fire!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Whos_Nick on Dec 02, 2017, 12:15:13 AM
Post by: Whos_Nick on Dec 02, 2017, 12:15:13 AM
Scott was throwing shade he didn't want anyone else showing him up with an Alien film
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Username-Unavailable on Dec 02, 2017, 02:20:18 AM
Post by: Username-Unavailable on Dec 02, 2017, 02:20:18 AM
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Dec 02, 2017, 12:15:13 AM
Scott was throwing shade he didn't want anyone else showing him up with an Alien film
I want to see these two on a trashy daytime talk show, complete with chair throwing and comical fist fight.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Scorpio on Dec 02, 2017, 03:07:44 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Dec 02, 2017, 03:07:44 AM
There is no behind the scenes drama, folks. Ridley Scott and Neill Blomkamp are professionals. It's not RS being a tyrant and using his power to cancel another film. It's a business, that's just how things work out.
Perhaps if Neill Blomkamp got his timing a little better then this whole thing would not have happened. He should have at least consulted with Scott before pitching to the studio. Not assigning any blame, but this whole mess could have been avoided.
Perhaps if Neill Blomkamp got his timing a little better then this whole thing would not have happened. He should have at least consulted with Scott before pitching to the studio. Not assigning any blame, but this whole mess could have been avoided.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 02, 2017, 10:25:59 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 02, 2017, 10:25:59 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 02, 2017, 03:07:44 AMIt's not RS being a tyrant and using his power to cancel another film.
Everything I've heard about the situation - including from insiders at Fox - says you're wrong.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 02, 2017, 01:40:59 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Dec 02, 2017, 01:40:59 PM
I think Huda is right. It seems obvious now.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Whos_Nick on Dec 02, 2017, 04:19:45 PM
Post by: Whos_Nick on Dec 02, 2017, 04:19:45 PM
Especially when Ridley said "I don't give a shit" in regards to the Blomkamp film during press tour
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 02, 2017, 04:52:44 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 02, 2017, 04:52:44 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 02, 2017, 03:07:44 AM
He should have at least consulted with Scott before pitching to the studio.
Why? Scott doesn't own the Alien franchise.
And after the studio greenlit his pitch he did consult with Scott to avoid any conflicts with Prometheus 2's story.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Dec 02, 2017, 04:19:45 PM
Especially when Ridley said "I don't give a shit" in regards to the Blomkamp film during press tour
He said that he didn't give a shit about the rumours that certain fans have been making-up.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alionic on Dec 02, 2017, 09:19:35 PM
Post by: Alionic on Dec 02, 2017, 09:19:35 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 29, 2017, 05:25:32 PM
Little tidbit Neill dropped today...Quote from: Neill Blomkampmy unmade alien script featured a space elevator
https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/935911851128373248 (https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/935911851128373248)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator)
lol Blomkamp is still sulking over this. He must be getting sick of making youtube clips now! :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 02, 2017, 09:28:02 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 02, 2017, 09:28:02 PM
lol, why is he still sulking? ???
Some real Olympic-class conclusion jumpers on this board! :laugh:
Some real Olympic-class conclusion jumpers on this board! :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alionic on Dec 02, 2017, 09:30:49 PM
Post by: Alionic on Dec 02, 2017, 09:30:49 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 02, 2017, 09:28:02 PM
lol, why is he still sulking? ???
Some real Olympic-class conclusion jumpers on this board! :laugh:
You're right. He must be very happy about his cancelled film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 02, 2017, 09:33:19 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 02, 2017, 09:33:19 PM
He's long since moved on. Unlike certain people on here.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SM on Dec 02, 2017, 09:44:14 PM
Post by: SM on Dec 02, 2017, 09:44:14 PM
Yeah, what kind of a loser goes out and creates things...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alionic on Dec 02, 2017, 09:59:37 PM
Post by: Alionic on Dec 02, 2017, 09:59:37 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 02, 2017, 09:33:19 PM
He's long since moved on.
He knows studio execs monitor his social media accounts; his instagram posts initially landed him the job offer from FOX. He's obviously still interested in making the movie if he's still tweeting images and ideas (garnering interest) from his script. He has not moved on—which is fine, because I'd be interested in his film after Scott is done with the Covenant sequel.
And I'm willing to bet he's bitter towards Scott, but he wisely chooses not to go public with it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Anthony on Dec 02, 2017, 11:44:02 PM
Post by: Anthony on Dec 02, 2017, 11:44:02 PM
Quote from: Alionic on Dec 02, 2017, 09:59:37 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 02, 2017, 09:33:19 PM
He's long since moved on.
He knows studio execs monitor his social media accounts; his instagram posts initially landed him the job offer from FOX. He's obviously still interested in making the movie if he's still tweeting images and ideas (garnering interest) from his script. He has not moved on—which is fine, because I'd be interested in his film after Scott is done with the Covenant sequel.
And I'm willing to bet he's bitter towards Scott, but he wisely chooses not to go public with it.
This is the first time he's mentioned Alien publicly since an interview he did back in June or July (not sure which month). If he's talked about anything film related that he's working since then that isn't related to Oats, it's either The Gone World adaptation that he's working on or a District 9 followup. He's even said numerous times in interviews that he's accepted Alien's fate.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Scorpio on Dec 02, 2017, 11:52:48 PM
Post by: Scorpio on Dec 02, 2017, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 02, 2017, 04:52:44 PMQuote from: Scorpio on Dec 02, 2017, 03:07:44 AM
He should have at least consulted with Scott before pitching to the studio.
Why? Scott doesn't own the Alien franchise.
It's professional courtesy. Also, wouldn't it be a good idea to ask Ridley his plans for future films before pitching your own?
QuoteAnd after the studio greenlit his pitch he did consult with Scott to avoid any conflicts with Prometheus 2's story.
Too little, too late, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 03, 2017, 05:15:43 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 03, 2017, 05:15:43 PM
Quote from: AD on Dec 02, 2017, 11:44:02 PMQuote from: Alionic on Dec 02, 2017, 09:59:37 PMQuote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 02, 2017, 09:33:19 PM
He's long since moved on.
He knows studio execs monitor his social media accounts; his instagram posts initially landed him the job offer from FOX. He's obviously still interested in making the movie if he's still tweeting images and ideas (garnering interest) from his script. He has not moved on—which is fine, because I'd be interested in his film after Scott is done with the Covenant sequel.
And I'm willing to bet he's bitter towards Scott, but he wisely chooses not to go public with it.
This is the first time he's mentioned Alien publicly since an interview he did back in June or July (not sure which month). If he's talked about anything film related that he's working since then that isn't related to Oats, it's either The Gone World adaptation that he's working on or a District 9 followup. He's even said numerous times in interviews that he's accepted Alien's fate.
Precisely. The space elevator tweet was in response to his friend, Tom Sweterlitsch's comment on how everyone is suddenly all doing space elevators.
Even during his recent Reddit AMA he only bothered to answer one Alien related question and that was to shoot down any possibility of the film ever happening.
Quote from: Alionic on Dec 02, 2017, 09:59:37 PM
He knows studio execs monitor his social media accounts; his instagram posts initially landed him the job offer from FOX.
No it didn't. He formally pitched his film to Fox long before he posted the images in Instagram.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alionic on Dec 03, 2017, 07:44:04 PM
Post by: Alionic on Dec 03, 2017, 07:44:04 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 03, 2017, 05:15:43 PMQuote from: Alionic on Dec 02, 2017, 09:59:37 PM
He knows studio execs monitor his social media accounts; his instagram posts initially landed him the job offer from FOX.
No it didn't. He formally pitched his film to Fox long before he posted the images in Instagram.
This is false but whatever
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 03, 2017, 09:27:59 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 03, 2017, 09:27:59 PM
Then please re-educate me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 04, 2017, 08:54:46 AM
Post by: HuDaFuK on Dec 04, 2017, 08:54:46 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 02, 2017, 11:52:48 PMIt's professional courtesy. Also, wouldn't it be a good idea to ask Ridley his plans for future films before pitching your own?
Why? Ridley had no Alien film in development at the time.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Scorpio on Dec 04, 2017, 09:04:23 AM
Post by: Scorpio on Dec 04, 2017, 09:04:23 AM
It had been in development since 2012 from what I can gather.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 04, 2017, 09:30:04 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 04, 2017, 09:30:04 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 04, 2017, 09:04:23 AM
It had been in development since 2012 from what I can gather.
You mean, Prometheus 2 was in development? It didn't shift gears to become Alien: Paradise Lost until after all the buzz around Blomkamp's Alien 5 started.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 03, 2017, 05:15:43 PMQuote from: Alionic on Dec 02, 2017, 09:59:37 PM
He knows studio execs monitor his social media accounts; his instagram posts initially landed him the job offer from FOX.
No it didn't. He formally pitched his film to Fox long before he posted the images in Instagram.
When did he mention that? IIRC he said no-one at Fox knew about his ideas when he posted those concepts initially. I do think it was all the positive buzz around those concepts that made Fox sit up, though.
But yeah, Blomkamp has hardly been constantly talking about Alien 5. He barely talks about it these days.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 04, 2017, 05:01:31 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 04, 2017, 05:01:31 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 04, 2017, 09:30:04 AM
When did he mention that? IIRC he said no-one at Fox knew about his ideas when he posted those concepts initially. I do think it was all the positive buzz around those concepts that made Fox sit up, though.
He said that Fox wasn't aware that he had written a treatment and commissioned concept art until he pitched it directly to them late in 2014 while Chappie was still in postproduction.
It appears he got neither a yeah nor a nay from Fox and proceeded to post the images on his Instagram account in the beginning of January 2015 thinking that he's not going to do it anymore. After someone asked him why Fox wasn't interested he replied with "Fox never said no".
The images however got a lot of publicity on mainstream media and general news sites. It appears that the buzz it generated was responsible for forcing Fox's hand and the film was officially greenlit by 19 February 2015.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 09, 2017, 05:02:54 PM
"So I went back to Vancouver and while I was editing Chappie I started to think about what I would do with Sigourney as basically a sequel to James Cameron's film. I spent about a year working on it with only Sigourney knowing and I hired one really awesome concept artist. We put together essentially a script and all the artwork and that's what I went to 20th Century Fox with." - Neill Blomkamp
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Scorpio on Dec 04, 2017, 08:40:10 PM
Post by: Scorpio on Dec 04, 2017, 08:40:10 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 04, 2017, 09:30:04 AM
You mean, Prometheus 2 was in development? It didn't shift gears to become Alien: Paradise Lost until after all the buzz around Blomkamp's Alien 5 started.
Are you implying that Blomkamp's Alien 5 is the reason they put the alien in Covenant?
No doubt that was popular, but people were complaining about the alien not being in Prometheus since 2011.
And it's still Prometheus 2, well half of it is, the other half is Alien.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: PierreVW on Dec 04, 2017, 10:19:25 PM
Post by: PierreVW on Dec 04, 2017, 10:19:25 PM
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 04, 2017, 08:40:10 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 04, 2017, 09:30:04 AM
You mean, Prometheus 2 was in development? It didn't shift gears to become Alien: Paradise Lost until after all the buzz around Blomkamp's Alien 5 started.
Are you implying that Blomkamp's Alien 5 is the reason they put the alien in Covenant?
No doubt that was popular, but people were complaining about the alien not being in Prometheus since 2011.
And it's still Prometheus 2, well half of it is, the other half is Alien.
I remembered FOX loved some of his ideas. FOX doesn't have faith in Neill Blomkamp but they still loved some of his sketches.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 05, 2017, 09:01:56 AM
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Dec 05, 2017, 09:01:56 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 04, 2017, 08:40:10 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 04, 2017, 09:30:04 AM
You mean, Prometheus 2 was in development? It didn't shift gears to become Alien: Paradise Lost until after all the buzz around Blomkamp's Alien 5 started.
Are you implying that Blomkamp's Alien 5 is the reason they put the alien in Covenant?
I am. I honestly believe the buzz was responsible for that when Fox realized there was still an appetite for Aliens. I'm sure there's likely a little more to it from all the studio politicking going off but I have heard the decision to include the Alien in Covenant came down from above.
QuoteNo doubt that was popular, but people were complaining about the alien not being in Prometheus since 2011.
I've been meaning to go back and read through the Prometheus response because I really don't remember that being a major issue with Prometheus.
QuoteAnd it's still Prometheus 2, well half of it is, the other half is Alien.
And it's when it turned into a half-arsed Alien film that it fell apart for me.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Dec 04, 2017, 05:01:31 PM
He said that Fox wasn't aware that he had written a treatment and commissioned concept art until he pitched it directly to them late in 2014 while Chappie was still in postproduction.
It appears he got neither a yeah nor a nay from Fox and proceeded to post the images on his Instagram account in the beginning of January 2015 thinking that he's not going to do it anymore. After someone asked him why Fox wasn't interested he replied with "Fox never said no".
The images however got a lot of publicity on mainstream media and general news sites. It appears that the buzz it generated was responsible for forcing Fox's hand and the film was officially greenlit by 19 February 2015.Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 09, 2017, 05:02:54 PM
"So I went back to Vancouver and while I was editing Chappie I started to think about what I would do with Sigourney as basically a sequel to James Cameron's film. I spent about a year working on it with only Sigourney knowing and I hired one really awesome concept artist. We put together essentially a script and all the artwork and that's what I went to 20th Century Fox with." - Neill Blomkamp
Hmmmm. He'd said when those concepts initially came out that Fox wasn't aware of them.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 02, 2015, 06:00:56 AM
Not sure how I feel about the Ripley face mask thing, but I guess it could be something that WY would up to if they finally got their hands on the Alien. And it does feel very Giger, more than anything in Prometheus did. There is some really interesting stuff in there. I especially love the pic of the Derelict inside the facility.
So I wonder if this would have been an alternate Alien 3, or if Ripley and Hicks were just stand ins to base the new concepts off of? I'm leaning towards the latter, but you never know.
It looks like everything is set inside of some interior artificial biological habitat. Almost gives me a bit of a Halo vibe in that regard.
I know this is unlikely to ever happen, but I would love if some more images and details were released. I am beyond curious.
There was nearly a year or so of post for Chappie. They finished filming it in Feb of 14, released in Feb/March 15. They worked on the pitch/script for nearly a year so I imagine that pitch meeting was probably late 14 too. I think saying he'd pitched to them long before he released the concept art might not be quite so accurate. There's definitely some timeline we're missing here.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Dec 05, 2017, 10:16:28 AM
Post by: Russ on Dec 05, 2017, 10:16:28 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 05, 2017, 09:01:56 AM
I am. I honestly believe the buzz was responsible for that when Fox realized there was still an appetite for Aliens. I'm sure there's a likely a little more to it from all the studio politicking going off but I have heard the decision to include the Alien in Covenant came down from above.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 05, 2017, 09:01:56 AM
And it's when it turned into a half-arsed Alien film that it fell apart for me.
Agree on both counts. Scott was always saying it would have the "DNA" of Alien but would be different and I am I remembering right he said before all this new stuff he though that the Alien was all over now and we needed to go in new directions.
The David Creates Alien idea must have sounded brilliant around the table. In the same way as someone realising that Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent's mum had the same name - on paper, that's great.
My guess is that Ridley wanted to do his "Chariots of the Gods" and the studio crammed a xeno storyline up his arse.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 05, 2017, 04:55:45 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Dec 05, 2017, 04:55:45 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 05, 2017, 09:13:26 AM
Hmmmm. He'd said when those concepts initially came out that Fox wasn't aware of them.
I'm pretty sure he meant that Fox wasn't aware that he'd spent almost a year working on a new Alien film. Not that they weren't aware of the images until he released them online. He mentioned pitching the treatment and pitch-art directly to Fox more than once in the past. Basically exactly the same strategy he used to get Elysium financed and greenlit.
QuoteThere was nearly a year or so of post for Chappie. They finished filming it in Feb of 14, released in Feb/March 15. They worked on the pitch/script for nearly a year so I imagine that pitch meeting was probably late 14 too. I think saying he'd pitched to them long before he released the concept art might not be quite so accurate. There's definitely some timeline we're missing here.
Yeah, I agree. The meeting with Fox was probably a month or so before he decided to release the images online on 1 January 2015. My guess is that Fox was waiting to see how Chappie fared both critically and financially before giving him an answer. Blomkamp might have tried to force a quick decision by making some of the images public and thereby generating massive media hype (which worked), though he denies that was his intention.
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Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 09, 2019, 10:23:18 PM
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 09, 2019, 10:23:18 PM
That illustration of Newt with the Carrie Henn look can be found here...
https://geektyrant.com/news/new-alien-5-concept-art-shows-the-return-of-newt
https://geektyrant.com/news/new-alien-5-concept-art-shows-the-return-of-newt
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Predalien39 on Feb 12, 2019, 05:50:11 AM
Post by: Predalien39 on Feb 12, 2019, 05:50:11 AM
Neill is no longer directing Greenland!!!!
Meaning even if he does robocop next, the chance he might do alien 5 is still closer than what it would have been. Here's hoping they fast track alien 5 next though
Meaning even if he does robocop next, the chance he might do alien 5 is still closer than what it would have been. Here's hoping they fast track alien 5 next though
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: AVP-CAPCOM on Feb 12, 2019, 08:13:38 AM
Post by: AVP-CAPCOM on Feb 12, 2019, 08:13:38 AM
Quote from: Predalien39 on Feb 12, 2019, 05:50:11 AM
Neill is no longer directing Greenland!!!!
Meaning even if he does robocop next, the chance he might do alien 5 is still closer than what it would have been. Here's hoping they fast track alien 5 next though
Excellent news. Hopefully there is a synchronicity between Robert Rodriguez/James Cameron at BATTLE ANGEL premier talking all things AVATAR, TERMINATOR and ALIENS, released ALIEN 5 artwork.
Robocop is a B-movie at best and doesn't quite deserve to me mentioned along with said AAA properties.
Blomkamp should learn from ROBOCOP (2014) mistake and await that phonecall from James Cameron.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Old One on Feb 12, 2019, 11:11:08 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 12, 2019, 11:11:08 AM
https://www.denofgeek.com/uk/games/anthem/63345/anthem-director-neill-blomkamp-teases-new-project
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: AVP-CAPCOM on Feb 12, 2019, 07:30:15 PM
Post by: AVP-CAPCOM on Feb 12, 2019, 07:30:15 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 12, 2019, 11:11:08 AM
https://www.denofgeek.com/uk/games/anthem/63345/anthem-director-neill-blomkamp-teases-new-project
A live action short to promote a generic PC game.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Old One on Feb 12, 2019, 07:56:38 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 12, 2019, 07:56:38 PM
Generic PC/Console Game.
& Shorts are what he's best at.
RoboCop's Neill Blomkamp's form through and through.
& Shorts are what he's best at.
RoboCop's Neill Blomkamp's form through and through.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 12, 2019, 08:54:17 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 12, 2019, 08:54:17 PM
Quote from: Predalien39 on Feb 12, 2019, 05:50:11 AM
Neill is no longer directing Greenland!!!!
Meaning even if he does robocop next, the chance he might do alien 5 is still closer than what it would have been. Here's hoping they fast track alien 5 next though
https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/1094691831890100224 (https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/1094691831890100224)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Old One on Feb 12, 2019, 09:10:14 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 12, 2019, 09:10:14 PM
Obi-Wan Kenobi is certain.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2019, 09:12:51 PM
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 12, 2019, 09:12:51 PM
Maybe it's a certain point-of-view thing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Old One on Feb 12, 2019, 09:15:30 PM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 12, 2019, 09:15:30 PM
:D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 12, 2019, 09:17:51 PM
Post by: 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔈𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱𝔥 𝔓𝔞𝔰𝔰𝔢𝔫𝔤𝔢𝔯 on Feb 12, 2019, 09:17:51 PM
We must be cautious.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gilfryd on Feb 18, 2019, 08:19:21 PM
Post by: Gilfryd on Feb 18, 2019, 08:19:21 PM
Quote from: AVP-CAPCOM on Feb 12, 2019, 08:13:38 AMRobocop is a B-movie at best and doesn't quite deserve to me mentioned along with said AAA properties.
Verhoeven's RoboCop is a masterwork.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2019, 01:08:18 AM
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2019, 01:08:18 AM
Robocop is infinitely more Blomkamp's speed than Alien would be. And that isn't an insult or a jab at him in the slightest. Robocop and Blomkamp's feature length outings have a lot of the same satirical goals in common, and his visual style is pretty much perfect for the world that Verhoeven created. I would much rather see Blomkamp make that film than Alien 5.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Old One on Feb 19, 2019, 01:21:12 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 19, 2019, 01:21:12 AM
^
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: StayFrosty on Feb 27, 2019, 06:35:38 AM
Post by: StayFrosty on Feb 27, 2019, 06:35:38 AM
Is this movie happening or not?
I sure as hell hope it DOES NOT happen.
I am so done with them trying to make new Alien films. Been a disaster nearly 30 years now!
If they make a new one, I will watch it. If I don't like it, then I am completely done with anything new they make from this series.
I just don't want anymore Alien stories, in any form, period.
And I don't want to see any Xenos unless they are a rendition of the BIG CHAP. Actually, would be cool if they had a movie with Big Chaps, Alien Warriors (JC), and Runners lurking around.
I sure as hell hope it DOES NOT happen.
I am so done with them trying to make new Alien films. Been a disaster nearly 30 years now!
If they make a new one, I will watch it. If I don't like it, then I am completely done with anything new they make from this series.
I just don't want anymore Alien stories, in any form, period.
And I don't want to see any Xenos unless they are a rendition of the BIG CHAP. Actually, would be cool if they had a movie with Big Chaps, Alien Warriors (JC), and Runners lurking around.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 06:45:46 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 06:45:46 AM
Quote from: StayFrosty on Feb 27, 2019, 06:35:38 AM
I just don't want anymore Alien stories, in any form, period.
Then leave, you are not obligated to stay discussing the new excellent stories.
The Cold Forge, Isolation, New excellent comics (Dead Orbit and Dust To Dust) and the upcoming Isolation Novelisation, Amanda Ripley Anthology, Isolation series, Tongal films and Alien TV series.
Quote from: StayFrosty on Feb 27, 2019, 06:35:38 AM
Actually, would be cool if they had a movie with Big Chaps, Alien Warriors (JC), and Runners lurking around.
Indeed, but I do love the "Protomorph" and the Neomorphs.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: StayFrosty on Feb 27, 2019, 06:55:39 AM
Post by: StayFrosty on Feb 27, 2019, 06:55:39 AM
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 06:45:46 AMQuote from: StayFrosty on Feb 27, 2019, 06:35:38 AM
I just don't want anymore Alien stories, in any form, period.
Then leave, you are not obligated to stay discussing the new excellent stories.
The Cold Forge, Isolation, New excellent comics (Dead Orbit and Dust To Dust) and the upcoming Isolation Novelisation, Amanda Ripley Anthology, Isolation series, Tongal films and Alien TV series.
Euh? I'm here to discuss mainly the first two films and figure collections.
I didn't know I wasn't welcome.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 06:56:45 AM
Post by: The Old One on Feb 27, 2019, 06:56:45 AM
AVPG's inclusive. ;)