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Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gazz on Feb 19, 2015, 12:27:30 AM
http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel)

QuoteDistrict 9 and Elysium helmer Neill Blomkamp made headlines last month when he posted a series of concept art designs for a new film in the 20th Century Fox's Alien franchise. Although the filmmaker admitted that the designs were unofficial, he hinted that he'd be more than happy to take on such a project. Today, Blomkamp posted a new image with a message that should make Alien franchise fans pretty happy!

"So I think it's officially my next film," he writes!

At this point it's uncertain precisely what route the new film will take or if Signourney Weaver (whose Ellen Ripley was featured in the concept designs) will be returning to the franchise.

"[Sigourney] knows about it," Blomkamp told ComingSoon.net last week, "and part of it was just inspired by speaking to her on set when we were filming 'Chappie,' and getting her thoughts on 'Alien' and what she thought of the movies that came after 'Aliens' and what she felt about Ripley and what was incomplete for her about Ripley. There was so much fuel in what she was telling me."

You can read more about Blomkamp's thoughts on the new project right here and check back for further information as soon as it becomes available!

Blomkamp's latest, Chappie, also stars Weaver and lands in theaters March 6!

UPDATE: Neill Blomkamp's ALIEN movie will take place AFTER the events of PROMETHEUS 2. Ridley Scott is producing BOTH

http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/ (http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/)

Prometheus Sequel is STILL happening.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 12:28:55 AM
So Alien V is happening...

Now all we need to know if it's going to continue where Resurrection left off.. or if it's going to be a retconning of Alien 3 and Resurrection.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: MudButt on Feb 19, 2015, 12:43:02 AM
this is amazing news
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 19, 2015, 12:44:21 AM
Prometheus can kiss my little ass goodbye. Bring It on Blomkamp. Give us fans the Alien film we've been wanting for!

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi299.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fmm311%2Fripleyclone8%2Falien5.jpg&hash=eec3f9dd81f0e86ea2df9e9d46a917a429924d2b)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 12:49:04 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on Feb 19, 2015, 12:44:21 AM
Prometheus can kiss my little ass goodbye.

I'll laugh if Fox decides to stop the Prometheus sequel in favor for Alien V.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:49:19 AM
Excited to know we're getting a new Alien film and from someone with talent.

Still feeling cautious as I do not want a retcon as has been hinted out.

Can't wait to see more news.


Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 12:49:04 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on Feb 19, 2015, 12:44:21 AM
Prometheus can kiss my little ass goodbye.

I'll laugh if Fox decides to stop the Prometheus sequel in favor for Alien V.

I'd like to see both. With a Predator 4, a Prometheus 2 and an Alien 5 all we're missing now is a new AvP.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 12:50:11 AM
Whoa! Consider me extremely intrigued by this news.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Samus007 on Feb 19, 2015, 12:50:14 AM
YES!!!! I am so excited right now! Woo!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 12:52:47 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:49:19 AM
Still feeling cautious as I do not want a retcon as has been hinted out.

Yeeeeeeaaaaaaaah... I'd be bummed out if it was a retcon. I'm hoping it's not.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 19, 2015, 12:58:41 AM
Very cool news! I hope it follows on from Resurrection, as I want to see more of that part of the universe.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gazz on Feb 19, 2015, 12:59:22 AM
UPDATE: Neill Blomkamp's ALIEN movie will take place AFTER the events of PROMETHEUS 2. Ridley Scott is producing BOTH

http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/ (http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 19, 2015, 01:02:20 AM
If it is Alien 5 then I can't see Michael Biehn coming back. Reviving Hicks would just make no sense. I'd say he pops up in the concept art because it was done 'just for fun' at that stage.

Great news though. I'd still like to see Prometheus 2.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 01:03:57 AM
So it's going to be the Alien prequel then? Like.. THE Alien prequel which Prometheus was SUPPOSED to be?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:04:40 AM
Quote from: Gazz on Feb 19, 2015, 12:59:22 AM
UPDATE: Neill Blomkamp's ALIEN movie will take place AFTER the events of PROMETHEUS 2. Ridley Scott is producing BOTH

http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/ (http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/)

ugh seriously....why

Can we please keep Ridley out of the picture? I'm acceptable of a Prometheus sequel but i'm sure as hell not happy if Blomkamp puts the same lore of prometheus into the film. I want Alien 5 to completley stray away from Ridley Scott's Prometheus and take place in the universe of the 4 Alien films or AT LEAST the first two.

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:05:47 AM
Well, this being set post-Prometheus 2 is... odd. But something tells me that it'll be pretty standalone in its own right.

I still think bringing back Hicks is kind of dumb, but if it happens it happens. I don't really give a shit at this point. I'm just interested in seeing what Scott's take on this world looks like.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 01:07:20 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 01:03:57 AM
So it's going to be the Alien prequel then? Like.. THE Alien prequel which Prometheus was SUPPOSED to be?

I don't think it necessarily means directly after Prometheus 2. It's a given that the film takes place after the prequels.

Pleased to hear this isn't interfering with Prometheus 2.

In terms of taking lore from Prometheus into account...it'd probably just be the Engineers which we can't change. It's happened. That's what the Jockey's are now.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Wrecktangle on Feb 19, 2015, 01:08:51 AM
Sweet baby Jesus, yes!

The only film of his I have seen is District 9, but I have high hopes for Chappie. If his artwork is of any indication of what Alien V may, well colour me excited!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 01:11:06 AM
I hope it won't be a retcon of Alien 3, wouldn't mind it retconning Resurrection though.
Nearly 20 years now, 18 to be exact since resurrection was 97 I think.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno_alpha_07 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:12:20 AM
Not happy about this at all  >:(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Feb 19, 2015, 01:13:27 AM
Calling it now I bet his film will link up somehow with Shaw and/or David after the events of Prometheus 2!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 01:13:43 AM
Excellent! now I wonder if Sharlto Copley will play a role in this film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 01:14:04 AM
Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:12:20 AM
Not happy about this at all  >:(

Why?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:15:05 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:05:47 AM
Well, this being set post-Prometheus 2 is... odd. But something tells me that it'll be pretty standalone in its own right.

I still think bringing back Hicks is kind of dumb, but if it happens it happens. I don't really give a shit at this point. I'm just interested in seeing what Scott's take on this world looks like.

Hicks I'm fine without being in the picture since its CLEARLY obvious he dies in Alien 3 but I think Blomkamp needs to finish up Ripley's story and at least wrap everything up. I'm tired of hearing about this Prometheus hype. Scott needs to get over himself and focus on his own films without intertwining his crap with other Director's. Ridley just move on man. Make Prometheus 2 your last 'Some-what Alien' movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 19, 2015, 01:16:45 AM
Quote from: Gazz on Feb 19, 2015, 12:59:22 AM
UPDATE: Neill Blomkamp's ALIEN movie will take place AFTER the events of PROMETHEUS 2. Ridley Scott is producing BOTH

http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/ (http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/)

Interesting. I'm looking forward to more details as things take shape. I wouldn't mind if it had some Prometheus elements, provided it still remained an Alien movie at its core.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:18:10 AM
Quote from: Ultramorph on Feb 19, 2015, 01:16:45 AM
Quote from: Gazz on Feb 19, 2015, 12:59:22 AM
UPDATE: Neill Blomkamp's ALIEN movie will take place AFTER the events of PROMETHEUS 2. Ridley Scott is producing BOTH

http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/ (http://www.thewrap.com/neill-blomkamp-to-direct-alien-movie-for-20th-century-fox/)

Interesting. I'm looking forward to more details as things take shape. I wouldn't mind if it had some Prometheus elements, provided it still remained an Alien more at its core.

THIS. A little Prometheus is fine but I want the ratio to be 95% Alien and 5% Prometheus.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 19, 2015, 01:21:47 AM
I'll be frankly amazed if Michael Biehn is in this. There's just no conceivable way to bring him back and I can't imagine the character is popular enough to retcon Alien 3 instead of just moving forward with Alien 5. I think Hicks is in that concept art because it was just a cool what-if image done at a time when not even Blomkamp believed Fox would take any notice.

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 01:26:14 AM
Worse than Prometheus? I doubt it. Furthermore, Ridley Scott is only producing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 01:30:36 AM
Oh well, at least Ridley Scott's involved. Gives it a bit more credence if it has loose ties to Prometheus.

Still more interested in Prometheus, all alien ideas seem pretty washed out. District 9 was ok but forgettable. Hope the Ripley and Hicks stuff is nonsense.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:31:32 AM
I'd be content - happy, even - if the film didn't feature Ripley or Hicks and they were just placeholders in the concept art.

Sure, Blomkamp talked to Siggy about it while filming Chappie, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's involved.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 19, 2015, 01:33:46 AM
We're getting both a Prometheus 2 AND an Alien sequel. I'm just gonna sit back and be optimistic.  ;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 01:34:04 AM
YES!

And I think Blomkamp liked SOME of the ideas from Aliens Colonial Marines. That one with the Derelict having construction around it. Hicks. He might want to follow that story and bring back Hicks that way. Although idk how him and Ripley would meet again.

But yeah I think he keeps an eye on games. He gave props to Alien Isolation.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 01:34:27 AM
YESSSSSSSS! Hicks lives! Seeing as Prometheus was half prequel, half it's own thing inside the Alien universe, I hope that Blomkamp's Alien just picks up 30 years after Aliens. I'd be very surprised if Fox is all that concerned with having it follow 3 and Resurrection considering they didn't want Prometheus to be a straight prequel to Alien.


Quote from: Chronicle on Feb 19, 2015, 01:15:05 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:05:47 AM
Well, this being set post-Prometheus 2 is... odd. But something tells me that it'll be pretty standalone in its own right.

I still think bringing back Hicks is kind of dumb, but if it happens it happens. I don't really give a shit at this point. I'm just interested in seeing what Scott's take on this world looks like.

Hicks I'm fine without being in the picture since its CLEARLY obvious he dies in Alien 3 but I think Blomkamp needs to finish up Ripley's story and at least wrap everything up. I'm tired of hearing about this Prometheus hype. Scott needs to get over himself and focus on his own films without intertwining his crap with other Director's. Ridley just move on man. Make Prometheus 2 your last 'Some-what Alien' movie.

But what is unrealized about Ripley's story? She dies in 3 then is cloned in Resurrection. Seems pretty full circle to me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 01:37:06 AM
I'm optimistic. But then, I was also optimistic for Prometheus...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Hellspawn28 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:38:04 AM
Please Fox do not screw this up! It been so long since we had a solo Alien movie. I never thought to see the day happen   :o !
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 01:41:26 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:38:04 AM
Please Fox do not screw this up! It been so long since we had a solo Alien movie.

Its been ever longer since we had a good one...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Crazy Rich on Feb 19, 2015, 01:42:53 AM
I'm too say the least, pretty damn cynical about this. Due to some of the concept work I've seen and the whole "recton" idea it's a chalkboard scratching a chalkboard for me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:51:12 AM
Retcon! Retcon! Retcon! Retcon! Retcon! :)

Not overly fussed about Prometheus 2 (seeing as how the first was such a crushing disappointment) but a new Alien film that hopefully recaptures some of the magic of the first two films, while erasing the latter two abortions from the history books, would be a dream come true...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 01:53:05 AM
Quote from: GQSioux on Feb 19, 2015, 01:33:46 AM
We're getting both a Prometheus 2 AND an Alien sequel. I'm just gonna sit back and be optimistic.  ;D
Oh it turns out the new Alien title is Alien V Requiem, tag line: Just when you thought it couldn't get worse!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 01:53:47 AM
Bringing back Hicks would be weird and pointless - what was there to the character anyway? But even bringing back Ripley would destroy it for me. She was a survivor by chance, ever more convoluted ways of involving her in each sequel was stretching credibility.

Amanda Ripley maybe. Make a film inspired by Isolation. Something that recaptures the essence of the original. And get the look of the alien right, if it's an alien film it's Giger's alien you want.

No Queen alien either, let's not go down that route again. In fact, for me, if it's anything in the Aliens mould I would find it a deeply depressing. regressive watch. Colonial marines - no thanks.

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gate on Feb 19, 2015, 01:54:14 AM
(https://38.media.tumblr.com/442a580bbece29186b5ef2bb4a64cafa/tumblr_njzx07dHIf1r7nbddo3_r1_250.gif)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: r6i99 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:54:53 AM
that art work is truly, truly hideous.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Hellspawn28 on Feb 19, 2015, 01:55:50 AM
I will be hype up for this movie once we get story details and the movie starts filming. After what happen with AVPR, I want to fully watch the movie before I make judgement.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 19, 2015, 01:56:19 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:31:32 AM
I'd be content - happy, even - if the film didn't feature Ripley or Hicks and they were just placeholders in the concept art.

Sure, Blomkamp talked to Siggy about it while filming Chappie, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's involved.


We can only hope. I'm really conflicted about this news, actually. I've got my fingers crossed that it goes back to the pre-Siggy version of his story because I don't think I'll be able to get excited about this if it's HIX N NOOT wish-fulfillment or even just has Weaver. I'm done with Ripley.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 01:56:40 AM
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Feb 19, 2015, 01:42:53 AM
I'm too say the least, pretty damn cynical about this. Due to some of the concept work I've seen and the whole "recton" idea it's a chalkboard scratching a chalkboard for me.

You know... I feel the same way.

I want to be excited for it but I'm just like... "Oh, another Alien. Cool, I guess?"
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:58:34 AM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Feb 19, 2015, 01:56:19 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:31:32 AM
I'd be content - happy, even - if the film didn't feature Ripley or Hicks and they were just placeholders in the concept art.

Sure, Blomkamp talked to Siggy about it while filming Chappie, but that doesn't necessarily mean she's involved.


We can only hope. I'm really conflicted about this news, actually. I've got my fingers crossed that it goes back to the pre-Siggy version of his story because I don't think I'll be able to get excited about this if it's HIX N NOOT wish-fulfillment or even just has Weaver. I'm done with Ripley.

Yup, totally get that.

That being said, I'm curious enough about seeing how Blomkamp handles the film that I'm willing to go along with just about anything, so long as the end result is good.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 19, 2015, 01:58:46 AM
Between this and the new Predator film, I'm excited. All we need is a good AVP movie to tie it all together... but I'm kidding myself with that one.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 02:02:06 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 01:56:40 AM
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Feb 19, 2015, 01:42:53 AM
I'm too say the least, pretty damn cynical about this. Due to some of the concept work I've seen and the whole "recton" idea it's a chalkboard scratching a chalkboard for me.

You know... I feel the same way.

I want to be excited for it but I'm just like... "Oh, another Alien. Cool, I guess?"

I'm super pumped, Aliens is one of my favorite films, by far my favorite in the Alien franchise. Michael Biehn as Hicks is one of my favorite characters/performances so I'm excited at the prospect of his character being given some love after what happened with Alien 3.
I understand more involved fans of the franchise in general don't like negating one chapter at the expense of another.  But seeing what Prometheus did and didn't do for the series along with how nobody cares that X-Men, Fox's other franchise has no continuity yet the films keep getting better, I'm staying optimistic until they give me a reason not to.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:04:42 AM
Guys.


Alien V. I'm just saying.

Something fans have discussed on forums such as these since before the dark times we knew as the AVP movies.

It's finally happening. We have an experienced competent director at the helm, an enthused and excited Sigourney Weaver, and Ridley Scott on high and not directly in control. It is the perfect storm for the Alien franchise, on it's own, to restore some of it's quality standing.

And you know what? I don't care. Let Ripley suffer from a massive comatose state to explain away the previous two films and bring back an embittered battle-scared Hicks.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 19, 2015, 02:05:00 AM
I'd be a lot more excited if District 9 was the only feature he'd made, let's put it that way.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 02:06:17 AM
Regardless of what happens with this, Chappie's gonna be nuts. 8)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 19, 2015, 02:08:20 AM
I had hoped Elysium was just a typical sophomore slump but I honestly think the trailers for Chappie have been beyond terrible. I mean, I was looking for Ally Sheedy and Fisher Stevens by the 90 second mark.

I think he's a lovely idea man and has a real head for gadgetry and so on, but neither of his new efforts fill me with confidence. Still, it will be great to see Ripley again.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 02:12:02 AM
Chappie's trailers seem to really be playing down some of the more insane parts--and all of Die Antwoord!

Most people are probably going to walk out feeling mixed, but if it's tonally what I'm thinking it will be, I am so in. 8)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 02:14:42 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:04:42 AM
Let Ripley suffer from a massive comatose state to explain away the previous two films and bring back an embittered battle-scared Hicks.

But the idea of retconning Alien 3 and Resurrection as a bad dream in the way Dallas did it seems like nothing more than just pandering to bitter fans.. fans who haven't gotten over those movies in the last twenty two years. Do we need a retcon if that's the worst case scenario?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 19, 2015, 02:16:17 AM
The concept art really suggests sort of an Alien-esque riff on Elysium - which was a really bad movie - with Ripley and Friends storming the W-Y complex, adding in Fanfic Hicks. I just hope none of that has a basis in reality, but I'm not that lucky. I love Michael Biehn but Hicks is dead.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 02:19:40 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 19, 2015, 02:16:17 AM
I love Michael Biehn but Hicks is dead.

Not if you count... THAT game..
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Hellspawn28 on Feb 19, 2015, 02:19:50 AM
I will be happy if they make A3 and A:R not canon. It will be something fans wanted for years.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: MudButt on Feb 19, 2015, 02:22:12 AM
Any retcon, remake, reboot, reimagining, retelling, repeat, or foreign version of this film they choose to make will be okay with me only if Paxton comes back.  8)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:22:18 AM
I wouldn't even bother going to see it if Hicks was in it, and I'd think twice about it if Ripley was too. I'm sure Sigourney would like to do it, it'll undoubtedly give her a big paycheck, but I just think it needs to cut it's ties and have the guts to do something fresh. Otherwise it's just sinking back into the mire that lead to apparent fan service like AvP.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 19, 2015, 02:27:23 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:22:18 AM
I wouldn't even bother going to see it if Hicks was in it, and I'd think twice about it if Ripley was too. I'm sure Sigourney would like to do it, it'll undoubtedly give her a big paycheck, but I just think it needs to cut it's ties and have the guts to do something fresh. Otherwise it's just sinking back into the mire that lead to apparent fan service like AvP.

One-thousand-times this.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:28:41 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 02:14:42 AM
But the idea of retconning Alien 3 and Resurrection as a bad dream in the way Dallas did it seems like nothing more than just pandering to bitter fans.. fans who haven't gotten over those movies in the last twenty two years. Do we need a retcon if that's the worst case scenario?

I don't think most people, the general audience, will care either way. As long as the story is done well and entertaining. It very easily could be done well, too. A malfunction in hypersleep is entirely plausible for any number of reasons. You don't even have to dwell on the notion of what is taking place.

EX: Superman Returns had many problems to be sure, but one of them was not that it retconned III and IV. It actually did that part quite well. The real concern is that whatever reason you do this retcon for, it better be a damn compelling story.

Alternatively, you set the story after the events of Resurrection, which doesn't really interest me very much personally. It's so far removed from what made the series interesting to me, and that version of Ripley has little to do with the woman I cared about for the three previous films. If there's a Ripley to show the audience, it's the Ripley who survived the first two films, not the Ripley who had very little of her humanity.

Now, those two options of course hinge on the notion that Weaver/Ripley must return. Now, personally, I don't think they do, but if you're going to do it, then i'd rather they go the Superman Returns route rather than following on or "soft" rebooting after the events of Resurrection.

Besides, this is shallow, but I really like the idea of seeing a PTSD suffering, alcoholic, and older Hicks fighting the aliens again. There's just something about exploring that character in those terms, especially if they get Michael Biehn back to do the role, that appeals to me.

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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 02:28:58 AM
I'm thinking Blomkamp is a very 'sharp cookie' (:P):


Now that he's got the gig, hopefully he'll jettison the fanbait 'Rip n' Hicks' rubbish and tell an interesting, original story.

But if any retconning happens, I'll just wait and catch it on Netflix.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 19, 2015, 02:31:27 AM
Holy. f**king. Shit.....ALIEN V!!!!!!

Ive been praying for a fabled Alien V since over a DECADE ago.......omg.

PLEASE be good!!  Too early for me to pass any judgement currently, as we know next to nothing about the plot so far, but man...Alien V, geez.  I though I would honestly never see the day.  After the disappointing Prometheus I hope to god this movie is amazing.  I want a tense scary action movie like the first 2 alien films.  And bring back dat Xeno baby!!!!! 

Shame Giger died recently, as it wouldve been great to have him work on this film.  But I have faith....

I cant wait to follow every minute detail on the progress of this film on this site with you other hardcore fans!!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Machiko Naguchi on Feb 19, 2015, 02:32:22 AM
I would say I am optimistic for a new Alien film by Blomkamp. I thought District 9 was good and thought Elysium was even beeter, so I think his take on an Alien film would probably turn out well. I think it will definitely be different than the other films, but isn't that what we need at this point?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 19, 2015, 02:37:07 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 02:28:58 AM
Now that he's got the gig, hopefully he'll jettison the fanbait 'Rip n' Hicks' rubbish and tell an interesting, original story.


Pls be right, Clemens.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 02:41:10 AM
Oh wait, hang on folks, false alarm: it's not 'Alien V', it's 'Alien vs. V'

Diana FTW!  :D

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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:42:37 AM
The concept art seems to take Ripley 8 a stage further and puts her in an alien costume. Looks very daft.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:01 AM
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Feb 19, 2015, 02:37:07 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 02:28:58 AM
Now that he's got the gig, hopefully he'll jettison the fanbait 'Rip n' Hicks' rubbish and tell an interesting, original story.


Pls be right, Clemens.

Honestly, that's what my first thought was when I first saw the pics. That they were placeholders.

Will be interesting to see what news comes out of this.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:08 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 02:14:42 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:04:42 AM
Let Ripley suffer from a massive comatose state to explain away the previous two films and bring back an embittered battle-scared Hicks.

But the idea of retconning Alien 3 and Resurrection as a bad dream in the way Dallas did it seems like nothing more than just pandering to bitter fans.
Let's be honest, it's not only the fans. Hell, many fans do appreciate A3 and A:R. But for general audience, A3 were not a success and they don't mind the movies. Retconning them away would be a good and, in the worst of the cases, inoffensive.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:33 AM
I'm excited about the news but where is the story now?  Can they really pick up where "Resurrection" left off?  With Ripley being a Clone? As for how they can bring Hicks Back.  He can be cloned or an Andriod but it can be done.  Again I don't know where Ridley is going with "Prometheus 2" yet but I am happy the Franchise won't end with "Resurrection". I love the concept art but I just don't see Hicks coming back unless that was apart of the deal.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 02:46:49 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:08 AM
Let's be honest, it's not only the fans. Hell, many fans do appreciate A3 and A:R. But for general audience, A3 were not a success and they don't mind the movies. Retconning them away would be a good and, in the worst of the cases, inoffensive.

I get that and I understand that from a point of view but it doesn't mean I agree with it. I honestly felt that Ripley's story was done with Alien 3, and as sour on a note as it ended-- I felt as if it told us that the Alien is an all-consuming adversary which takes, and takes, and will not stop taking. Ripley had lost everything, but she stopped her adversary and in the end found peace in her own death and sacrifice.

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:53:10 AM
Whatever way you look at it, if Ripley's in it, it's a problem.

Either it means retconning A3 out of existence, which despite it's script flaws, is an admirable film that closes Ripley's story very effectively, and doesn't deserve to be dumped on by FOX.

Or it's the continuing story of Ripley 8, who was a uninteresting character in a terrible film.

Why saddle yourself with such problems?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 02:56:01 AM
Gonna get lynched for this, but I don't care: If retconing A3 and A4 isn't an option for whatever reason(s) I'm totally okay with them rebooting the series at this point.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 02:56:08 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:53:10 AM
Whatever way you look at it, if Ripley's in it, it's a problem.

Either it means retconning A3 out of existence, which despite it's script flaws, is an admirable film that closes Ripley's story very effectively, and doesn't deserve to be dumped on by FOX.

Or it's the continuing story of Ripley 8, who was a uninteresting character in a terrible film.

Why saddle yourself with such problems?

WORD.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 02:58:26 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:53:10 AMWhatever way you look at it, if Ripley's in it, it's a problem.

Either it means retconning A3 out of existence, which despite it's script flaws, is an admirable film that closes Ripley's story very effectively, and doesn't deserve to be dumped on by FOX.
I don't think most people would care if A3 is retconned. I don't think they would be interested in Ripley and Hicks being the protagonists of the story, either, modern generations don't know those characters. But I think most non-hardcore fans, that loved the characters, would prefer them to be revealed to be alive and a couple living on a distant planet or something.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:00:27 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 02:58:26 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:53:10 AMWhatever way you look at it, if Ripley's in it, it's a problem.

Either it means retconning A3 out of existence, which despite it's script flaws, is an admirable film that closes Ripley's story very effectively, and doesn't deserve to be dumped on by FOX.
I don't think most people would care if A3 is retconned. I don't think they would be interested in Ripley and Hicks being the protagonists of the story, either, modern generations don't know those characters. But I think most non-hardcore fans, that loved the characters, would prefer them to be revealed to be alive and a couple living on a distant planet or something.

In your last two posts, you seem to be really keyed-in on the non-hardcore fans. So one must ask: why would the non-hardcore fans care if Ripley and Hicks are in it at all?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:00:39 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:53:10 AM
Either it means retconning A3 out of existence, which despite it's script flaws, is an admirable film that closes Ripley's story very effectively, and doesn't deserve to be dumped on by FOX.

I agree with this!

Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:53:10 AM
Or it's the continuing story of Ripley 8, who was a uninteresting character in a terrible film.

I am not so sure if Weaver wants to continue where Ripley 8 left off from.. I mean I am not even sure what her attitude towards the character is but if I recall, she said only Ridley Scott and James Cameron wrote the character right.

Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:53:10 AM
Why saddle yourself with such problems?

I would love for this movie to be a stand-alone. I am hoping it's a stand-alone with new characters.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:01:40 AM
Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 02:56:01 AM
Gonna get lynched for this, but I don't care: If retconing A3 and A4 isn't an option for whatever reason(s) I'm totally okay with them rebooting the series at this point.

What, with old lady Ripley? Can't really be a reboot then can it?

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:03:02 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:00:27 AMIn your last two posts, you seem to be really keyed-in on the non-hardcore fans. So one must ask: why would the non-hardcore fans care if Ripley and Hicks are in it at all?
Well, there are like 50-years-old people who only loved the series because of those characters, and then lost any interest in the series...

You know, you cannot owe the credits for the series success and fan memories only on the xenomorph alone or the horror concepts, people embraced Alien as a great saga because of the empathy with its characters.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:04:17 AM
just food for thought....

What do you guys think of an "alternate timeline" film set a few years after Aliens, where A3 and resurrection didn't happen?  An older Ripley and Hicks seeking some kind retribution against WY for the death of Newt and all WYs general shadiness.  Could explore WY as a company, show their head quarters, their brass, and what happens when they finally start Harvesting Xenomorphs for bio-weapons.

I think that would maybe be cool.  thoughts?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:05:20 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:03:02 AM
Well, there are like 50-years-old people who only loved the series because of those characters, and then lost any interest in the series...

You say fifty year old like it's a shameful thing.

I'm twenty seven and I love the series and the characters.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:05:36 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:04:17 AM
just food for thought....

What do you guys think of an "alternate timeline" film set a few years after Aliens, where A3 and resurrection didn't happen?  An older Ripley and Hicks seeking some kind retribution against WY for the death of Newt and all WYs general shadiness.  Could explore WY as a company, show their head quarters, their brass, and what happens when they finally start Harvesting Xenomorphs for bio-weapons.

I think that would maybe be cool.  thoughts?
Nightmare Asylum and Breakout were awesome. That's pretty much my opinion.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 03:06:08 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:01:40 AM
Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 02:56:01 AM
Gonna get lynched for this, but I don't care: If retconing A3 and A4 isn't an option for whatever reason(s) I'm totally okay with them rebooting the series at this point.

What, with old lady Ripley? Can't really be a reboot then can it?

No, I mean reboot it completely, with all new characters and everything.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:06:27 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:05:20 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:03:02 AM
Well, there are like 50-years-old people who only loved the series because of those characters, and then lost any interest in the series...

You say fifty year old like it's a shameful thing.

I'm twenty seven and I love the series and the characters.
No, I'm 27 too. I'm talking about every people that watched these movies in the theater long time ago and helped them to be a great success. They might be interested in seeing their loved characters alive and back.

Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 03:06:08 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:01:40 AM
Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 02:56:01 AM
Gonna get lynched for this, but I don't care: If retconing A3 and A4 isn't an option for whatever reason(s) I'm totally okay with them rebooting the series at this point.

What, with old lady Ripley? Can't really be a reboot then can it?

No, I mean reboot it completely, with all new characters and everything.
AvP and Prometheus pretty much tried to do this. People didn't respond that well.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DaddyYautja on Feb 19, 2015, 03:09:17 AM
At least we know that the film will have cool fights.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Wobblyboddle77 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:09:48 AM
This is great news, i'm kind of on the fence about bloomkamp as a director. District 9 was a decent film, but Elysium looked great and most of the acting was fine. The script though was below average. I'm cautiously optimistic about this film, Scott producing dosen't bother me. I hope we get closure on Ripleys story and the derelict engineer craft on lv426 is looked at in more detail, as i assume it survived the explosion on LV426.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 03:10:13 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:01:40 AM
What, with old lady Ripley? Can't really be a reboot then can it?

Unless it ends up being a Trek 2009 style reboot. A half-boot, or whatever. I have no idea how that would work.




Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:11:10 AM
I assume Blomkamp wont be WRITING the script?  just directing?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 03:12:50 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:06:27 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:05:20 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:03:02 AM
Well, there are like 50-years-old people who only loved the series because of those characters, and then lost any interest in the series...

You say fifty year old like it's a shameful thing.

I'm twenty seven and I love the series and the characters.
No, I'm 27 too. I'm talking about every people that watched these movies in the theater long time ago and helped them to be a great success. They might be interested in seeing their loved characters alive and back.

Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 03:06:08 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:01:40 AM
Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 02:56:01 AM
Gonna get lynched for this, but I don't care: If retconing A3 and A4 isn't an option for whatever reason(s) I'm totally okay with them rebooting the series at this point.

What, with old lady Ripley? Can't really be a reboot then can it?

No, I mean reboot it completely, with all new characters and everything.
AvP and Prometheus pretty much tried to do this. People didn't respond that well.

People didn't respond cause the stories were pure crap.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:13:26 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 02:58:26 AM

I don't think most people would care if A3 is retconned.

But I think most non-hardcore fans, that loved the characters, would prefer them to be revealed to be alive and a couple living on a distant planet or something.

I would have no problem with that either. Gives Ripley, Hicks and Newt the happy ending they should have eventually had and allows a new cast to take the series onwards...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:14:47 AM
Just Make:

Shaw & Ripley: Xenos of Future Past.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DemonicD13 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:15:22 AM
Hot Damn, I love his movies. I couldn't think of a better choics for directors.   ;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:16:37 AM
Holy shit....I've been waiting so long.

http://imgur.com/r/ronpaulshops/vwMin (http://imgur.com/r/ronpaulshops/vwMin)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:23:10 AM
Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 03:06:08 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:01:40 AM
Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Feb 19, 2015, 02:56:01 AM
Gonna get lynched for this, but I don't care: If retconing A3 and A4 isn't an option for whatever reason(s) I'm totally okay with them rebooting the series at this point.

What, with old lady Ripley? Can't really be a reboot then can it?

No, I mean reboot it completely, with all new characters and everything.

Well indeed that is the best way to go, not by retelling the original stories, but by putting new characters in a new story. But the concept art, which is all we have to go on, is creating all sorts of problematic timeline issues. At this stage it looks like Ripley 8 is the character, complete with biomechanic costume. And as Weaver has now expressed an interest it may be that FOX are also pushing for her inclusion. Which makes it very difficult to be it's own thing.

Meanwhile, I admire Prometheus for taking the familiar and playing around with it; expanding the mythology, so I'm still more invested in that sequel than I am Alien5, which can only work if it loses the baggage it appears to be currently saddled with. Alien3 had the balls to kill off Hicks and that irritating kid, I don't ever want to see them back.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:23:22 AM
Quote from: Wobblyboddle77 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:09:48 AM
This is great news, i'm kind of on the fence about bloomkamp as a director. District 9 was a decent film, but Elysium looked great and most of the acting was fine. The script though was below average. I'm cautiously optimistic about this film

I agree with you word for word.  This series has always has visionaries for directors and Blomkamp certainly fits in.  Its too early to tell but I'm just praying that this all works out because now it has real potential.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:24:52 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:23:10 AMAlien3 had the balls to kill off Hicks and that irritating kid, I don't ever want to see them back.
Most of the audience despised Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 03:28:19 AM
Only spend money on fitness and Newt could kick asses again

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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:28:48 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:24:52 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:23:10 AMAlien3 had the balls to kill off Hicks and that irritating kid, I don't ever want to see them back.
Most of the audience despised Alien 3.

If all they saw was the theatrical release I dont blame them.  The assembly cut is a different film entirely.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:29:44 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:24:52 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:23:10 AMAlien3 had the balls to kill off Hicks and that irritating kid, I don't ever want to see them back.
Most of the audience despised Alien 3.

Why?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:30:16 AM
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 19, 2015, 03:28:19 AM
Only spend money on fitness and Newt could kick asses again

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God, you guys are vicious.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:30:40 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:28:48 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:24:52 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:23:10 AMAlien3 had the balls to kill off Hicks and that irritating kid, I don't ever want to see them back.
Most of the audience despised Alien 3.

If all they saw was the theatrical release I dont blame them.  The assembly cut is a different film entirely.
They despised the fact Hicks and Newt were killed. Is the assembly cut different?

They were killed because of some contracts disagreement, the idea had always been Hicks and Newt to stay alive, so who the cares about Alien 3, give me now the true Aliens 2 and Aliens 3, that's what I want  8)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:32:25 AM
Perhaps you could just make your own film with Neca figures, and it would serve the same purpose.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:34:06 AM
Perhaps you could just rewatch once and again Alien 3 if you think that should be the end of Ripley's story, that would serve the same purpose  ::)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:39:46 AM
Read the front page..

It says that it's taking place after the Prometheus films... Either it's being filmed after Prometheus 2 which explains the wording, or it's chronologically taking place after Prometheus 2 in-universe.

The wording is a little confusing to me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: bioweapon on Feb 19, 2015, 03:40:57 AM
This scalate quick.

Congrats to Neill. The alien art remembers me of the Aliens: Colonial Marines comic. He´s the right choice for the tech side of this univers. I hope he finds the most important side, the Giger one.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gridseeker on Feb 19, 2015, 03:43:35 AM
OMG NOW I CAN DIE HAPPILY!  :) District 9 and Elysium rock and now he would direct the fifth installment. Seriously, Neil is the next James Cameron and Ridley Scott (when they ruled of course, but still I love Prometheus and also I´m eager to see the sequel).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 03:44:17 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:39:46 AM
Read the front page..

It says that it's taking place after the Prometheus films... Either it's being filmed after Prometheus 2 which explains the wording, or it's chronologically taking place after Prometheus 2 in-universe.

The wording is a little confusing to me.

Could be a reboot? or perhaps Ripley is not part of the story.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:44:34 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:34:06 AM
Perhaps you could just rewatch once and again Alien 3 if you think that should be the end of Ripley's story, that would serve the same purpose  ::)

If Alien 5 can't be original without backpeddling to revive more dead characters, that's exactly what I will do.

If it's truly that uninspired that it feels it has to reinvent the closure for Ripley in a more homely, happy way with her nuclear family, I'll catch Alien5 on TV three or four years down the line.

However, given that Ripley is the alien in the concept art, I'm guessing this is a sequel to Alien: Resrrection anyway.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 03:44:47 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:39:46 AM
Read the front page..

It says that it's taking place after the Prometheus films... Either it's being filmed after Prometheus 2 which explains the wording, or it's chronologically taking place after Prometheus 2 in-universe.

The wording is a little confusing to me.

That is weird they specifically mention Prometheus 2 but really any sequel involving Ripley should take place after Prometheus if it's following the ship, space jockey and how it landed on LV-426, etc right? If they're going right of Pro, it should be about whatever her name is and Michael Fassbender crashing the ship and dying on the planet before being found in Alien. Aliens takes place 57 years after Alien so just set Blomkammp's 30 years later with Ripley and Hicks being reunited and no mention of 3 or Resurrection, most people going to see it won't know what they missed.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 03:45:21 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:30:16 AM
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 19, 2015, 03:28:19 AM
Only spend money on fitness and Newt could kick asses again

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God, you guys are vicious.

Touché
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:46:37 AM
Quote from: bioweapon on Feb 19, 2015, 03:40:57 AM
I hope he finds the most important side, the Giger one.


I hear that.  Lets retire the A:R look of the Aliens. It worked for that film but has since been reused over and over again for budget purposes in the AvP films.  Bring back the old school bio-mechanical look.  Blomkamp has stated he loved Alien: Isolation, Well look at this beauty:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.vg247.com%2Fcurrent%2F%2F2014%2F10%2Falien_isolation_guide_main_header.jpg&hash=b5923cdb1a090c3a485c557c18270d82e14a34ab)

Lets hope he honors H.R. Giger.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Hellspawn28 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:47:22 AM
Other franchises ignore the bad sequels in the series, so it's okay if Alien did the same with A3 and A:R. For example Superman Returns ignores Superman 3 & 4, Higherland ignores Highlander 2, the new Universal Solider movies ignore the second movie that came out in 1999 and Twisted Metal: Head On ignores TM3 & TM4.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: tmoldovan on Feb 19, 2015, 03:48:12 AM
f**k YEAHx100!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:50:10 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:32:25 AM
Perhaps you could just make your own film with Neca figures, and it would serve the same purpose.

Looking for 'Like' button.

Rakai, if a film 'takes place' in a particular time, then that's when it is set. 500 BC, 1898, or 1985. So this film will take place anywhere from the end of Prometheus 2 to the end of human history. When it is 'filming' is another matter, and has not yet been disclosed.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 19, 2015, 03:51:34 AM
How cool would it be if Cameron steps in as another producer?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:52:04 AM
People tend to remember Alien 3 - if only as the bleak one where Ripley died.

Problem is, whilst Fincher might hate it, and some Aliens fans might hate it, there are a lot of people who regard Alien3 as a masterpiece.

A heavily flawed one in my opinion, but still harder to ignore because of the obvious rift it causes in fandom, than any number of obviously poor sequels like T3, or Universal Soldier or Superman 3 and 4.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 19, 2015, 03:52:38 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:39:46 AM
Read the front page..

It says that it's taking place after the Prometheus films... Either it's being filmed after Prometheus 2 which explains the wording, or it's chronologically taking place after Prometheus 2 in-universe.

The wording is a little confusing to me.

I was confused by the wording, too, but I also don't get why that point needed to be brought up in the first place. The Prometheus films are set before Alien, and this movie would take place after them to begin with. I have no idea why Fox felt it was necessary to say that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 03:53:27 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:46:37 AM
Quote from: bioweapon on Feb 19, 2015, 03:40:57 AM
I hope he finds the most important side, the Giger one.


I hear that.  Lets retire the A:R look of the Aliens. It worked for that film but has since been reused over and over again for budget purposes in the AvP films.  Bring back the old school bio-mechanical look.  Blomkamp has stated he loved Alien: Isolation, Well look at this beauty:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.vg247.com%2Fcurrent%2F%2F2014%2F10%2Falien_isolation_guide_main_header.jpg&hash=b5923cdb1a090c3a485c557c18270d82e14a34ab)

Lets hope he honors H.R. Giger.

Despite that there were practical reasons for the choice of that design from Alien Isolation, I hate those kangaroo paws.

This is still the best design

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1295.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb632%2Faladygmadelpensamiento%2FXENOMORPH_zps76032cc2.jpg&hash=59c56cf83ff6b8f3e8e053dc00c34fbeb679645a)

Also, when I see the conceptual art of Neil, I get the impression that he is a fan of James Cameron xenomorph. Although I could be wrong.

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 03:56:42 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:50:10 AM
Rakai, if a film 'takes place' in a particular time, then that's when it is set. 500 BC, 1898, or 1985. So this film will take place anywhere from the end of Prometheus 2 to the end of human history. When it is 'filming' is another matter, and has not yet been disclosed.

Point made.. I just feel it would either be worked best as either set immediately after Prometheus 2, or sometime after Resurrection. I just feel like the franchise has been retconned enough as it is.

But we only can speculate based on the concept art which Blomkamp released. Personally.. I hope it's a stand alone.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:58:01 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:47:22 AM
Other franchises ignore the bad sequels in the series, so it's okay if Alien did the same with A3 and A:R. For example Superman Returns ignores Superman 3 & 4, Higherland ignores Highlander 2, the new Universal Solider movies ignore the second movie that came out in 1999 and Twisted Metal: Head On ignores TM3 & TM4.

'Superman'! 'Highlander'! 'Universal Soldier'! And WTF is 'Twisted Metal'?

I've heard this argument before, with 'Godzilla' and 'Robocop' (among others). You're gonna lump ALIEN in with those things?

Might as well throw 'Masters of the Universe' and 'Scooby-Doo' in, while you're at it...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 04:00:04 AM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Feb 19, 2015, 03:58:01 AM
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:47:22 AM
Other franchises ignore the bad sequels in the series, so it's okay if Alien did the same with A3 and A:R. For example Superman Returns ignores Superman 3 & 4, Higherland ignores Highlander 2, the new Universal Solider movies ignore the second movie that came out in 1999 and Twisted Metal: Head On ignores TM3 & TM4.

'Superman'! 'Highlander'! 'Universal Soldier'! And WTF is 'Twisted Metal'?

I've heard this argument before, with 'Godzilla' and 'Robocop' (among others). You're gonna lump ALIEN in with those things?

Might as well throw 'Masters of the Universe' and 'Scooby-Doo' in, while you're at it...

I keep bringing up X-Men, Fox's other bungled yet successful franchise.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gridseeker on Feb 19, 2015, 04:02:01 AM
 I love all the four Alien movies and even Prometheus but also I´m very excited with this news, Neil is a big fan from the Alien franchise like us; about the retconning, I think there´re two options: 1) set the next movie as an alternate universe or like "what if...?" and that "what if...?" would be Hicks along with Ripley as the main protagonists or 2) set Alien 5 as the official sequel BUT NOT THROWING A3 AND RESURRECTION and set both movies in an alternate cannon or universe.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 04:03:44 AM
Gridseeker as much as I do like the alternate universe/alternate canon idea... I just do not see Fox adopting that idea. Not to mention for whatever reason, as unfounded as it is, seems to really not sit well with fans as it wouldn't erase anything.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: bioweapon on Feb 19, 2015, 04:07:22 AM
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 19, 2015, 03:53:27 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:46:37 AM
Quote from: bioweapon on Feb 19, 2015, 03:40:57 AM
I hope he finds the most important side, the Giger one.


I hear that.  Lets retire the A:R look of the Aliens. It worked for that film but has since been reused over and over again for budget purposes in the AvP films.  Bring back the old school bio-mechanical look.  Blomkamp has stated he loved Alien: Isolation, Well look at this beauty:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.vg247.com%2Fcurrent%2F%2F2014%2F10%2Falien_isolation_guide_main_header.jpg&hash=b5923cdb1a090c3a485c557c18270d82e14a34ab)

Lets hope he honors H.R. Giger.

Despite that there were practical reasons for the choice of that design from Alien Isolation, I hate those kangaroo paws.

This is still the best design

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1295.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb632%2Faladygmadelpensamiento%2FXENOMORPH_zps76032cc2.jpg&hash=59c56cf83ff6b8f3e8e053dc00c34fbeb679645a)

Also, when I see the conceptual art of Neil, I get the impression that he is a fan of James Cameron xenomorph. Although I could be wrong.

I would definitely go with the first installment art.

(https://hollywoodhatesme.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/lambert-v-alien.jpg)

BUT... i rather make no alien creature but related things. I mean like Ridley says, we just saw too much of it and now is like a toy.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 19, 2015, 04:08:19 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 03:32:25 AM
Perhaps you could just make your own film with Neca figures, and it would serve the same purpose.


(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpousadaluadecristal.com.br%2Findex%2Fwp-content%2Fgallery%2Fblack-kid-reaction-gif-672.gif&hash=d76696851e3ef813fcdb51ba0ed6c08111730cfc)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 19, 2015, 04:09:15 AM
Quote from: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 01:34:27 AM
YESSSSSSSS! Hicks lives! Seeing as Prometheus was half prequel, half it's own thing inside the Alien universe, I hope that Blomkamp's Alien just picks up 30 years after Aliens. I'd be very surprised if Fox is all that concerned with having it follow 3 and Resurrection considering they didn't want Prometheus to be a straight prequel to Alien.


Quote from: Chronicle on Feb 19, 2015, 01:15:05 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:05:47 AM
Well, this being set post-Prometheus 2 is... odd. But something tells me that it'll be pretty standalone in its own right.

I still think bringing back Hicks is kind of dumb, but if it happens it happens. I don't really give a shit at this point. I'm just interested in seeing what Scott's take on this world looks like.

Hicks I'm fine without being in the picture since its CLEARLY obvious he dies in Alien 3 but I think Blomkamp needs to finish up Ripley's story and at least wrap everything up. I'm tired of hearing about this Prometheus hype. Scott needs to get over himself and focus on his own films without intertwining his crap with other Director's. Ridley just move on man. Make Prometheus 2 your last 'Some-what Alien' movie.

But what is unrealized about Ripley's story? She dies in 3 then is cloned in Resurrection. Seems pretty full circle to me.


Exactly. She died and then she was cloned. We still have yet to figure out what happens to the clone character of Ripley because the story was left wide open after Ripley and Call reach Earth. Even if it had nothing to do with Resurrection it would be nice to see Sigourney Weaver one more time as Ripley before she gets too old.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: acrediblesource on Feb 19, 2015, 04:17:55 AM
 With terminator coming out, this looks like a return to the franchise markets again. Guess we'll see another predator sequel....
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 04:21:04 AM
Quote from: acrediblesource on Feb 19, 2015, 04:17:55 AM
Guess we'll see another predator sequel....

Already are getting one.. Shane Black's doing it.

All I'll say is I hope Fred Dekker writes up something which doesn't go the route of PREDATORS.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 04:28:34 AM
Quote from: bioweapon on Feb 19, 2015, 04:07:22 AM
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 19, 2015, 03:53:27 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:46:37 AM
Quote from: bioweapon on Feb 19, 2015, 03:40:57 AM
I hope he finds the most important side, the Giger one.


I hear that.  Lets retire the A:R look of the Aliens. It worked for that film but has since been reused over and over again for budget purposes in the AvP films.  Bring back the old school bio-mechanical look.  Blomkamp has stated he loved Alien: Isolation, Well look at this beauty:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.vg247.com%2Fcurrent%2F%2F2014%2F10%2Falien_isolation_guide_main_header.jpg&hash=b5923cdb1a090c3a485c557c18270d82e14a34ab)

Lets hope he honors H.R. Giger.

Despite that there were practical reasons for the choice of that design from Alien Isolation, I hate those kangaroo paws.

This is still the best design

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1295.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb632%2Faladygmadelpensamiento%2FXENOMORPH_zps76032cc2.jpg&hash=59c56cf83ff6b8f3e8e053dc00c34fbeb679645a)

Also, when I see the conceptual art of Neil, I get the impression that he is a fan of James Cameron xenomorph. Although I could be wrong.

I would definitely go with the first installment art.

(https://hollywoodhatesme.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/lambert-v-alien.jpg)

BUT... i rather make no alien creature but related things. I mean like Ridley says, we just saw too much of it and now is like a toy.

you mean Gigeresque? ^^ that already exists, and is called Deacon
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 04:32:05 AM
You know, after AvPR I was afraid that Fox just wasn't thinking about these franchises seriously anymore.  I thought that we would be getting either a direct to dvd AvP3  or a straight up reboot of Alien and Predator.  But I was wrong, instead we got Predators and Prometheus and now Alien 5 by Blomkamp, Predator 4 by shane black, and Prometheus 2 by Ridely scott.  Its just awesome.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alienseseses on Feb 19, 2015, 04:35:14 AM
I would be very ok with this movie forgetting Alien 3 and Resurrection. Don't even explain them away-- just do a new timeline. I'm ok with that. I appreciate 3 and Res for what they are, but I don't think they're very good films, and the idea of following up Aliens with a direct sequel that actually builds on the former instead of tearing it down... I'm ok with that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 04:36:49 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on Feb 19, 2015, 04:09:15 AM
Quote from: viendammage on Feb 19, 2015, 01:34:27 AM
YESSSSSSSS! Hicks lives! Seeing as Prometheus was half prequel, half it's own thing inside the Alien universe, I hope that Blomkamp's Alien just picks up 30 years after Aliens. I'd be very surprised if Fox is all that concerned with having it follow 3 and Resurrection considering they didn't want Prometheus to be a straight prequel to Alien.


Quote from: Chronicle on Feb 19, 2015, 01:15:05 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 01:05:47 AM
Well, this being set post-Prometheus 2 is... odd. But something tells me that it'll be pretty standalone in its own right.

I still think bringing back Hicks is kind of dumb, but if it happens it happens. I don't really give a shit at this point. I'm just interested in seeing what Scott's take on this world looks like.

Hicks I'm fine without being in the picture since its CLEARLY obvious he dies in Alien 3 but I think Blomkamp needs to finish up Ripley's story and at least wrap everything up. I'm tired of hearing about this Prometheus hype. Scott needs to get over himself and focus on his own films without intertwining his crap with other Director's. Ridley just move on man. Make Prometheus 2 your last 'Some-what Alien' movie.

But what is unrealized about Ripley's story? She dies in 3 then is cloned in Resurrection. Seems pretty full circle to me.


Exactly. She died and then she was cloned. We still have yet to figure out what happens to the clone character of Ripley because the story was left wide open after Ripley and Call reach Earth. Even if it had nothing to do with Resurrection it would be nice to see Sigourney Weaver one more time as Ripley before she gets too old.

I'm all for Ripley's return as well as Hicks, take their age into account and go forth in a new chapter. Will be interesting to see if Weaver and Biehn return and how they'll go about it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 04:37:49 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Feb 19, 2015, 04:35:14 AM
I would be very ok with this movie forgetting Alien 3 and Resurrection. Don't even explain them away-- just do a new timeline.

If in a similar vein to what Halloween H20 did with Halloween IV to VI, and set them aside as an alternative timeline is what you mean, then I would be completely for that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 04:47:17 AM
People need to get over their butt hurt over what happened in Alien3. All this talk about retconning...come on.  Rest assured that if Weaver is going to be apart of this film then it will be respecting continuity. She's not going to star in a film that conflicts with her previous films and undermines the franchise and the same goes for Ridley Scott since he's the producer.  This doesnt mean that Hicks cant come back.  If they can write a way for it to happen that makes sense then there is no problem.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 04:52:03 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 04:47:17 AM
This doesnt mean that Hicks cant come back. 

I don't want to be THAT GUY but Hicks is already back.. thanks to an ill-received video game which Fox "allegedly" totes around as canon. Emphasis on allegedly.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 04:56:36 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 04:52:03 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 04:47:17 AM
This doesnt mean that Hicks cant come back. 

I don't want to be THAT GUY but Hicks is already back.. thanks to an ill-received video game which Fox "allegedly" totes around as canon. Emphasis on allegedly.

Dealing with this assertion that Fox said it was canon (when it was actually just Gearbox) is like playing whack-a-mole.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:07:04 AM
Just throw some Hicks, Newt and Bishop clones and let's f**king go :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 05:13:34 AM
I am so nervous about what direction this will go. retconing  is a stupid idea. Retconning jsut seems so unserious. With scott doing it though i think we could see this being a stand alone film, i dont think he wasnt to see ripley back or hicks, has he ever said anything about aliens?

I hope they dont go with the man in the suit look, man in a suit looks silly. If they took a bit from alien 3, isolation and aliens it would look good.

I hope we get a more aliens style movie. Hives multiple aliens, i think that would be really cool.

I hope we get a stand alone film, that would be the best case scenario. Itll be easier to write new characters, new story and new settings.

Maybe we will find out how WY learns of the alien to begin with, or how the ship crashed on 426.

AS it is, im extremely nervous and trying not to get  too excited.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Hellspawn28 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:19:35 AM
I wonder when Fox will have the movie come out? I don't think Prometheus 2 is coming out anytime soon. Could Fox have both Predator 4 and Alien 5 coming out in 2017?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 05:20:39 AM
late 2017 would be the earliest release date for ALien, predators and prometheous
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:25:03 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:28:41 AMEX: Superman Returns had many problems to be sure, but one of them was not that it retconned III and IV. It actually did that part quite well.
Yeah, but that can have a very easy in-universe explanation:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FTjgsnWtBQm0%2Fhqdefault.jpg&hash=0db5a64a14e7afdd832df8612b034d2d3eb9be50)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightgaunt on Feb 19, 2015, 05:25:45 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 04:37:49 AM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Feb 19, 2015, 04:35:14 AM
I would be very ok with this movie forgetting Alien 3 and Resurrection. Don't even explain them away-- just do a new timeline.

If in a similar vein to what Halloween H20 did with Halloween IV to VI, and set them aside as an alternative timeline is what you mean, then I would be completely for that.

What no Halloween 3 Season of the Witch?  ;)

I feel like this might be the route they go.  I'd love to see more of the Weyland Yutani era. Blomkamp would nail the look. Stoked this is really happening. 
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: chrisr232007 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:27:37 AM
Great news! Here is hoping for the best!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:28:11 AM
What if Prometheus is indeed a franchise reboot rather than a prequel, and this movie's about an alternate universe version of Hicks and Ripley set in that universe?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ryley J. Lyons on Feb 19, 2015, 05:28:37 AM
Mid 2016 seems like a good estimate for the release date of Alien 5, given that it will mark the 30th anniversary of Aliens. I'd guess mid 2017 for Predator, since that will mark the 30th anniversary of Predator. And for Prometheus 2, I'm not really sure. They really seem tentative to give any new info about the project, other than that it is actually happening.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 05:33:40 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:28:11 AM
What if Prometheus is indeed a franchise reboot rather than a prequel, and this movie's about an alternate universe version of Hicks and Ripley set in that universe?

no thanks
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 05:40:44 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 03:14:47 AM
Just Make:

Shaw & Ripley: Xenos of Future Past.
Ok that was a good one  :laugh:

Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:28:11 AM
What if Prometheus is indeed a franchise reboot rather than a prequel, and this movie's about an alternate universe version of Hicks and Ripley set in that universe?
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they tried making a shared universe with separate franchises a la Fire and Stone. Specially with all these studios trying to get on that bandwagon.

Predator 4, Alien V, Prometheus 2. Maybe another attempt at AvP in the far future. I'm not saying I want this to happen, but this sounds like something Fox would do.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 05:45:36 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:28:11 AM
What if Prometheus is indeed a franchise reboot rather than a prequel, and this movie's about an alternate universe version of Hicks and Ripley set in that universe?

I am all for an alternate universe and everything but someone mentioned the whole shared universe thing thanks to Fire and Stone. If Fox is going for a whole shared universe thing going on, then it's being handled... I don't want to say sloppily but taking thirty something year old movies, which were separate.. then unified, then separated again... the way they're doing it if it's meant to be a shared universe doesn't feel seemless like how Marvel did it.

But I am for alternate universes within the Alien-Predator franchises. But I don't see Fox doing anything like this.. It doesn't seem like something that they would even so much as care to do.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 05:47:17 AM
i dont want to see some silly super hero like plot crap
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 19, 2015, 05:50:20 AM
I am SOOOO amped for this film!

Clarification....this film is to take place YEARS AFTER Prometheus 2.....
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 05:50:58 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 19, 2015, 05:47:17 AM
i dont want to see some silly super hero like plot crap

Alternate universe doesn't necessarily mean superhero. In fact there is some scientific theory of parallel universes already at work. Also some hardcore sci-fi franchises deal with alternate universes-- some of them being scientifically grounded.. Like Star Trek.

Also alternate universes don't have to coincide with the main universe. They can co-exist without interacting with each other.

But again.. I don't see this happening.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 05:53:44 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 05:50:58 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 19, 2015, 05:47:17 AM
i dont want to see some silly super hero like plot crap

Alternate universe doesn't necessarily mean superhero. In fact there is some scientific theory of parallel universes already at work. Also some hardcore sci-fi franchises deal with alternate universes-- some of them being scientifically grounded.. Like Star Trek.

Also alternate universes don't have to coincide with the main universe. They can co-exist without interacting with each other.

But again.. I don't see this happening.

Oh i mean i dont want some really far fetched time travel, universe hoping machine or something. Keep it Alien/prometheous dont try to reboot, just make it its own thing.



Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 19, 2015, 05:50:20 AM
I am SOOOO amped for this film!

Clarification....this film is to be made AFTER Prometheus 2 is made...not after the events of Prometheus 2. That's an important distinction.

There has not been any clarification on that, unless you have some new source
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 05:55:59 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 19, 2015, 05:50:20 AM
I am SOOOO amped for this film!

Clarification....this film is to be made AFTER Prometheus 2 is made...not after the events of Prometheus 2. That's an important distinction.

I seriously doubt that it will be made after Prometheus 2 (assuming Prometheus 2 is still possible). Unless it is "a la Fire and Stone" as xeno-kaname has posted.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 05:56:30 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 04:56:36 AM
Dealing with this assertion that Fox said it was canon (when it was actually just Gearbox) is like playing whack-a-mole.

Well... That's a little muddier. Fox signed off on it as an "official" sequel. Gearbox just milked that idea for fan wankery cred.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 19, 2015, 05:57:28 AM
This is absolutely fantastic.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:57:34 AM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 05:40:44 AMI honestly wouldn't be surprised if they tried making a shared universe with separate franchises a la Fire and Stone. Specially with all these studios trying to get on that bandwagon.

Predator 4, Alien V, Prometheus 2. Maybe another attempt at AvP in the far future. I'm not saying I want this to happen, but this sounds like something Fox would do.
Have Arnold Schwarzenneger to return as Dutch on Predator 4, and add Trank's Fantastic Four to the mix.


Result:

The Xenopendables

aka

The Avengigers

D:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 05:57:45 AM
I don't dread this as much as AvP, but the more I hear clamouring for an Aliens rehash the more I feel disenchanted that that might be basically what we get.




Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 19, 2015, 05:55:59 AM
Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Feb 19, 2015, 05:50:20 AM
I am SOOOO amped for this film!

Clarification....this film is to be made AFTER Prometheus 2 is made...not after the events of Prometheus 2. That's an important distinction.

I seriously doubt that it will be made after Prometheus 2 (assuming Prometheus 2 is still possible)

The only thing that Fox has confirmed is that it will come after Prometheus 2.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 05:59:17 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 05:57:45 AM
I don't dread this as much as AvP, but the more I hear clamouring for an Aliens rehash the more I feel disenchanted that that might be basically what we get.

I really don't get why returning characters = Aliens rehash in your mind. I really doubt it'll deal with a military action motif at all.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 05:59:46 AM
unless this has a new setting, and plot with new characters it will probably flop. But lets not get too hyped up over it or we will all be disappointed  one way or another.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 06:03:15 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 05:59:17 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 05:57:45 AM
I don't dread this as much as AvP, but the more I hear clamouring for an Aliens rehash the more I feel disenchanted that that might be basically what we get.

I really don't get why returning characters = Aliens rehash in your mind. I really doubt it'll deal with a military action motif at all.

Hopefully it won't be. But the concept art features Hicks in armour, Ripley with a pulse rifle and an alien queen. Frankly that is enough to tell me it's trying to rekindle past 'glories'. And those aspects in particular hold no interest for me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 06:07:44 AM
You know.. if there is one thing I want to say regarding this..

This better be the FINAL Alien movie before a reboot or remake in years to come.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: PHANTOM on Feb 19, 2015, 06:17:57 AM
It's going to take me a while to let this sink in that Blomkamp is going to direct an Alien film.

Still sounds too good to be true. Until I see the man himself standing in front of a black terrifying xenomorph and a camera in his hand, I've been played.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 06:19:28 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 06:07:44 AM
You know.. if there is one thing I want to say regarding this..

This better be the FINAL Alien movie before a reboot or remake in years to come.

we dont need a reboot or remake just keep it in the same universe and do some new stories
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Darkness on Feb 19, 2015, 06:27:13 AM
Woah, things are moving very fast. Great news for the franchises. I'd much rather have Alien 5 than Prometheus 2 any day.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Feb 19, 2015, 06:34:09 AM
Much as I love D9, Blomkamp's had one hit and one very mediocre movie. And any idea that brings Hicks back is f**king stupid.

But hey, can't be worse than Strause Bros, so...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 06:40:19 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2015, 06:34:09 AM
Much as I love D9, Blomkamp's had one hit and one very mediocre movie. And any idea that brings Hicks back is f**king stupid.

But hey, can't be worse than Strause Bros, so...

I really, really really hope we dont get anything close to Avpr quality, or colonial marines quality
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Feb 19, 2015, 06:42:14 AM
We won't. Blomkamp's a good director.

Just his ideas are the worst type of Aliens fanboy terrible if his art's anything to go by.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 06:44:50 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2015, 06:42:14 AM
We won't. Blomkamp's a good director.

Just his ideas are the worst type of Aliens fanboy terrible if his art's anything to go by.


I hate a majority of fanfiction, and aliens fancfiction is no different, all of this retconing just reminds me of bad fanfiction
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 06:46:21 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 19, 2015, 06:44:50 AM
I hate a majority of fanfiction, and aliens fancfiction is no different, all of this retconing just reminds me of bad fanfiction

I just feel like the franchises have gone through enough retconning as it is. So I am hoping this new Alien movie is not a retcon. Either a continuation or a stand-alone. I would like a stand alone though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Scree on Feb 19, 2015, 06:51:17 AM
Very glad Blomkamp got the project, after all. Pretty much expected this. That's why he put those concept-illustrations on his Instagram. To get movie fans excited and get the attention of FOX. Well done, Neill! :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 06:52:22 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 06:46:21 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 19, 2015, 06:44:50 AM
I hate a majority of fanfiction, and aliens fancfiction is no different, all of this retconing just reminds me of bad fanfiction

I just feel like the franchises have gone through enough retconning as it is. So I am hoping this new Alien movie is not a retcon. Either a continuation or a stand-alone. I would like a stand alone though.


If its not stand alone i dont see it having a good story
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 06:54:01 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2015, 06:42:14 AM
We won't. Blomkamp's a good director.

Just his ideas are the worst type of Aliens fanboy terrible if his art's anything to go by.

Agreed. The art, if anything, is what's putting me off. What it implies doesn't look like a great direction to go in.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 19, 2015, 07:53:46 AM
My two cents is that the concept art released, was bad. However it has got to start somewhere. I also just don't see it working anywhere else than after A|R if Ripley's going to be in it canon wise.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BonesawT101 on Feb 19, 2015, 08:26:42 AM
Congratulations to Neil on landing the director's job of a life time for such a big Alien fan. Neil is a talented director, there is no doubt about that. The 'concept' art worked because it got a majority interested and excited for a potential alien film. While the inclusion of Ripley and Hicks certainly excites me, I am not so sure that it would work, particularly Hicks. I can see ways in which Ripley could be involved that makes sense definitely and to be honest I think the idea that the great Sigourney Weaver could be involved is what has excited the majority of film goers.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 08:28:34 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 03:46:37 AM
Lets retire the A:R look of the Aliens. It worked for that film but has since been reused over and over again for budget purposes in the AvP films.  Bring back the old school bio-mechanical look.  Blomkamp has stated he loved Alien: Isolation, Well look at this beauty:

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.vg247.com%2Fcurrent%2F%2F2014%2F10%2Falien_isolation_guide_main_header.jpg&hash=b5923cdb1a090c3a485c557c18270d82e14a34ab)

Lets hope he honors H.R. Giger.

Definitely! The constant reuse of the AR suits was all a cost saving exercise. I think the film needs to return to the original approach and let us see things we never got to see in Alien - in particular, I want to see it show off like it does in Isolation.



I'd like to see it explore Ripley 8. I genuinely think her character was the best thing about Resurrection. Her mix with the Aliens allows for something for Weaver to dig into and for the writer to explore. It gives it the potential to actually move forward and not simply repeat the formula of the previous films. I just want it to close off the Ripley story so the franchise can move forward.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 08:51:56 AM
Colour me no more than curious at this point.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 08:28:34 AMI'd like to see it explore Ripley 8. I genuinely think her character was the best thing about Resurrection. Her mix with the Aliens allows for something for Weaver to dig into and for the writer to explore. It gives it the potential to actually move forward and not simply repeat the formula of the previous films. I just want it to close off the Ripley story so the franchise can move forward.

I've said so before, but I agree with you on this. If they insist on using Ripley, I want them to go down this route.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 19, 2015, 08:59:47 AM
My immediate reaction to this news was a "no thanks."

I love Blomkamp's visual style, and I've said before that if anyone were to reboot/remake the series, he'd pull it off aesthetically.

However, I already have 3 (maybe even 4) ALIEN films I very much love and cherish.  Pretty reluctant to accept any new sequels, especially after my immense disappointment with Prometheus.  I don't like the notion of resurrecting Hick's either.  ALIEN 3's opening may have been the worst way the character could have been thrown away, but it's been over 20 years.  Let's not go with this fanboyish story route.

Since this project will happen, however, I'm just going to hope for the best.  If we're disregarding ALIEN 3 and Resurrection's canon, please do it in a classy way. 



Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 19, 2015, 09:00:01 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 01:07:20 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 01:03:57 AM
So it's going to be the Alien prequel then? Like.. THE Alien prequel which Prometheus was SUPPOSED to be?

I don't think it necessarily means directly after Prometheus 2. It's a given that the film takes place after the prequels.

Pleased to hear this isn't interfering with Prometheus 2.

In terms of taking lore from Prometheus into account...it'd probably just be the Engineers which we can't change. It's happened. That's what the Jockey's are now.
After reading this announcement earlier this evening, when I had just walked into work, I could not concentrate for like two hours. This is legit very very exciting. The best announcement Ive heard since Scott stated working on Prometheus. I can't imagine someone better suited for Alien 5, Blomkamp has the right balance of serious sci-fi and action this needs. He knows how to escalate the action and the drama. I am also  guessing this will allow Prometheus 2 the freedom to go other, stranger places, as it needs. What's even better is Scott's involvement as Producer for both films guarantees the A-class production values that elevated the best Alien films from its contemporaries.
This is already the best Sci-Fi film franchise of all time.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: szkoki on Feb 19, 2015, 09:21:09 AM
Cool, lets use Ripley 8 and be the plot like this: she has visions, telepatic calls etc from the mother queen in her dreams so they(good guys&bad guys)  use those to find the Alien homeworld.

So give that big middle finger to Prometheus theory about xenos.




Now really, dont get me wrong, how will this play out. What will it about if not alien homeworld? Other than that its bullshit, on the flipside Prometheus stated already that xenos are bioweapons, and Shaw already going to the Homeworld...but the Engineer's.


wow make this movie a franchise like Prometheus and in the 3rd part for both movie will be the same with Shaw and Ripley with including time travel :3 xD
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 19, 2015, 09:25:37 AM
I'm curious about this announcement, but I hate the idea of retconning 3.

I wouldn't like to see Ripley or Hicks, or Ripley 8.

Should be a stand alone film with new characters.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenoscream on Feb 19, 2015, 09:43:46 AM
This is SUCH GOOD NEWS!

Can't quite believe we will get another pure Alien film.

And we all get to see it on the big screen, Alien on Imax... can't wait.

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Bay on Feb 19, 2015, 10:11:45 AM
I remember reading an interview where Michael Biehn stated that he did not want to return to the film franchise unless Cameron was involved (maybe was the terminator franchise, i'm not sure about this). Anyone remember this? It would be a pity to have another actor for the Hicks charachter :(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: PsyKore on Feb 19, 2015, 10:16:58 AM
I'm pretty excited to see a new Alien film honestly. I can't help it.

Although, it would be silly to retcon Alien 3 because I feel her sacrifice is a much too significant point in the series. It would be such a slap in the face to ignore that.

Do what you like to Resurrection, however.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 19, 2015, 10:27:55 AM
You know the movie I would want to see, the one explaining how the derelict crashed on lv426. No humans, just alien on space jockey action and whatever other poor saps might be out there.

There is no way to retcon 3 or A|R. Time travel doesn't exist in the franchise.... I hope.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Everlasting Undead on Feb 19, 2015, 10:31:18 AM
I'm pretty excited about this news, too. But like many, I don't think a reboot or a retcon is the way to go.

Pretty sure that Hicks could never meet up with Ripley again... Unless the conspiracy story in Colonial Marines is accepted as lore.

It shouldn't be.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 10:50:41 AM
Quote from: Bay on Feb 19, 2015, 10:11:45 AM
I remember reading an interview where Michael Biehn stated that he did not want to return to the film franchise unless Cameron was involved (maybe was the terminator franchise, i'm not sure about this). Anyone remember this? It would be a pity to have another actor for the Hicks charachter :(

And Weaver wanted Ripley to die in Alien 3. Things change. :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: sean.sumner on Feb 19, 2015, 10:52:30 AM
If Alien Colonial Marines was official cannon then Hicks is alive and well? As for Ripley she died in Alien 3, again fox cannon so any sequel involving these two is going to be messy story wise
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 10:56:04 AM
Biehn is too old to play Hicks now if you ask me. And I don't really wanna see the role recast.

Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 10:50:41 AMAnd Weaver wanted Ripley to die in Alien 3. Things change. :)

Ripley did die in Alien 3. She wasn't Ripley any more when she came back.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Xenomorphine on Feb 19, 2015, 11:01:15 AM
Quote from: Gazz on Feb 19, 2015, 12:59:22 AM
UPDATE: Neill Blomkamp's ALIEN movie will take place AFTER the events of PROMETHEUS 2.

It's an anonymous source and not a direct quote. My guess is that they actually meant that filming would commence after the 'Prometheus' sequel has wrapped.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 01:07:20 AM
In terms of taking lore from Prometheus into account...it'd probably just be the Engineers which we can't change. It's happened. That's what the Jockey's are now.

Not necessarily. I was saying for a long time that the Engineers could have simply been emulating their own creators or another, even more ancient, species. Or, alternatively, something symbolic of one - I always preferred the idea of the Space Jockey just being a ship's 'living' CPU, with the actual crew looking completely different. The excellent 'Farscape' did that.

It's totally plausible, considering that the Engineers clearly have a thing for working iconic art into event heir architecture.

Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 01:53:47 AM
Bringing back Hicks would be weird and pointless - what was there to the character anyway?

A pragmatic character who could have backed up Ripley's version of events, for one. The third film was hampered by recycling the nobody-believes-Ripley-and-people-die-because-of-it thing. One of the major points of 'Aliens' was that the conclusion implied that was going to be a game-changer in the grand scheme of things, once they got home.

QuoteAmanda Ripley maybe.

Eh... The way that character was portrayed, was fine. The reason for her existence, however, still has yet to be reconciled with an explanation. :)

QuoteMake a film inspired by Isolation. Something that recaptures the essence of the original.

Tone-wise, maybe - lighting and set design. The rest? As a game, it works. As a movie, it would be fairly boring/predictable to watch what amounts to a two-hour extravaganza of someone running around corridors and hiding in lockers.

QuoteNo Queen alien either, let's not go down that route again.

So... No way for the Aliens to reproduce? Talk about devaluing their threat potential! :)

I'd love for it to finally be canonised that egg-transformation is a way to get a Queen, but that still includes the presence/threat of one - much like 'Alien 3' did.

Also, considering we have seen concept art of weapons being hauled around, you can bet some Aliens are going to be shot at and die. They need a way to reproduce.

On the other hand, if this does retcon the third and fourth films, we can perhaps bring back the possibility of any adult creature being able to turn into a Queen... The third movie meant that was no longer feasible, because Queens were 'born' that way (which wouldn't happen if any adult could simply turn into one). Bringing that possibility back would make the creatures a significant threat, once more - and maybe explain why the original film's creature was so lethargic.

It'll be like the early 1990s, all over again! :laugh:

Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:28:41 AM
I don't think most people, the general audience, will care either way. As long as the story is done well and entertaining. It very easily could be done well, too. A malfunction in hypersleep is entirely plausible for any number of reasons. You don't even have to dwell on the notion of what is taking place.

Precisely. If the story's decent, nobody will care.

The only thing is, it's a gamble. A retcon always runs the risk of being worse than what it's hoping to replace. Dare I say it, but witness the Engineers versus original Space Jockey concept... I'm fairly sure most people who saw it wished they had just kept it the same.

If it's a good film, though, nobody will mind if it means the third and fourth films are no longer 'true'. It wouldn't even have to be superior to have that effect. Just equal to them.

QuoteAlternatively, you set the story after the events of Resurrection, which doesn't really interest me very much personally. It's so far removed from what made the series interesting to me, and that version of Ripley has little to do with the woman I cared about for the three previous films. If there's a Ripley to show the audience, it's the Ripley who survived the first two films, not the Ripley who had very little of her humanity.

I'd actually like it, personally. It'd essentially be like 'The Fly 2', where we can never tell when her Alien psychology and DNA might assert itself, which could make for some great drama if it's handled well/respectfully.

There is also still the matter of not knowing what happened to Ripley 7.

QuoteBesides, this is shallow, but I really like the idea of seeing a PTSD suffering, alcoholic, and older Hicks fighting the aliens again. There's just something about exploring that character in those terms, especially if they get Michael Biehn back to do the role, that appeals to me.

Agreed. I really liked how he was portrayed in the first two comics - which I suspect is what's heavily influencing this story and resulting concept art.

Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 02:42:37 AM
The concept art seems to take Ripley 8 a stage further and puts her in an alien costume. Looks very daft.

No more daft than the Engineers. :P If anything, it looks like that concept might directly involve that technology.

Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 02:58:26 AM
I don't think they would be interested in Ripley and Hicks being the protagonists of the story, either, modern generations don't know those characters.

I honestly can't think of a single person who hasn't watched 'Aliens'... Just look at all the hype and hope which surrounded 'Colonial Marines', back when people still thought it might be good. Whether or not this could turn out well, there's no way people won't remember who Hicks is.

Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 19, 2015, 04:28:34 AM
you mean Gigeresque? ^^ that already exists, and is called Deacon

The Deacon was a poor Roger Corman-esque imitation... I can never look at it and not feel unintentionally amused. :)

Quote from: sean.sumner on Feb 19, 2015, 10:52:30 AM
If Alien Colonial Marines was official cannon then Hicks is alive and well? As for Ripley she died in Alien 3, again fox cannon so any sequel involving these two is going to be messy story wise

In fairness, we don't actually know that.

I've said before, that we could just as easily be seeing concept art of Ripley 'doing a Sarah Connor'. In the extended version of 'Terminator 2', the character has dreams about Kyle (played by the same actor) helping her to get out of a bad situation.

Now, that'd be easy enough to do with Ripley dreaming about Hicks, but we know Ripley 8 had a lot of genetic memories locked up. It would be interesting if something happened (whether accidentally or deliberately) to make her hallucinate him. I could see that working as an intriguing sub-plot. Would go some way to explaining why he's injured and dressed in that way, also, as those would effectively be her last (semi-distorted) memories of how he was.

So, that's a way it could possibly be set after 'Alien Resurrection'. Either Hicks is part of a dream or he's an active hallucination (possibly with Ripley being fully aware of such).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Karl on Feb 19, 2015, 11:03:42 AM
Alien is officially the most resilient franchise there is.  ;D It just keeps getting new chances despite several misfires.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Doggo33 on Feb 19, 2015, 11:05:04 AM
The statement that it will take place after 'Prometheus 2' only makes me question whether they'll tie in 'Prometheus' with 'Alien', and I sincereley hope they don't. Obviously, that's already what's being done with the 'Prometheus' franchise but I'd much prefer to ignore it, for it is so awful and destructive of the 'Alien' franchise.

This does in fact also suggest that the film will take place before 'Alien'. This is quite irritating since the only need for another film is to finish the series that left Clone Ripley and others on a desolate Earth. That was really why it was brought up in the first place. Otherwise it is just exploiting the franchise.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ulfer on Feb 19, 2015, 11:06:30 AM
So there will be another Alien movie. So be it.

But it's going to be hard work. What do I except from a new Alien movie ? Novelty, originality, and quality. Problem : in what regards the xenomorph itself, there is not very much to tell or to see now in the context of a movie in terms of originality. I mean, look : the human/xeno and the xeno/human hybrids have been done. Characters discovering alien eggs and being impregnated ? It's not new. The presence of traditional xenos can satisfy the hyperfans, maybe. But we need other things.
A movie is not a video game, where a really good variation of Alien (Alien Isolation) or Aliens (through the old AvP games) is possible.

Prometheus has begun to extend a bit the Alien universe and although the movie has been a great disappointment for me when I consider what it could have been, I have still hope for Prometheus 2.

I hope that these two future movies bring wonder and stupefaction. We've seen Interstellar, now, after all.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: JPredator on Feb 19, 2015, 11:12:02 AM
concgrats to blomkamp for getting the job. the way he used social media to get him noticed is genious. 'hey guys heres some art but i dont think it will ever happen...look ripley and hicks'. then let the fans do all the work.....absolutley genious.

very excited but still dont know if hes a good fit for alien. his past work demonstrates a great talent for world building but not much else. i actually think he would be a better fit for an alien vs predator film. still hes a better choice then whedon/jeunett

i think the best place to go for this film would be to explore the company. why does it want the xenomorph? what is the world of alien like when we are away from the hostile environments? Blomkamp would defo be suited to a corporate espionage type tale.

also cant wait to see sharlt copley as an android (u know this is def gna happen).

this film cant follow alien resurection because that would mean the company is wallmart.....no thanks.
also the fact that ripley and hicks were featured in the concept art is prob the reason why its gaines so much attention. i think it will be a retcon or sorts.

my wishes: no time travel element to explain why hicks and ripley are together.
no continutation of alien resurection.
i dont care if the films is a retcon as long as its a great alien film. dont retcon alien 3 and 4 unless u are damn sure your making a film that is nothing short of great.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 11:19:00 AM
Quote from: JPredator on Feb 19, 2015, 11:12:02 AMalso cant wait to see sharlt copley as an android (u know this is def gna happen).

That's a good call actually! You know he's gonna be in it somewhere.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 11:36:48 AM
I think that a T-800s going to show up on the Evac Ship and save Ripley, Hicks and Newt - they go with him because they want to live.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 19, 2015, 11:01:15 AM

Now, that'd be easy enough to do with Ripley dreaming about Hicks, but we know Ripley 8 had a lot of genetic memories locked up. It would be interesting if something happened (whether accidentally or deliberately) to make her hallucinate him. I could see that working as an intriguing sub-plot. Would go some way to explaining why he's injured and dressed in that way, also, as those would effectively be her last (semi-distorted) memories of how he was.

So, that's a way it could possibly be set after 'Alien Resurrection'. Either Hicks is part of a dream or he's an active hallucination (possibly with Ripley being fully aware of such).

I don't like this idea at all - I'm in Team Retcon, but this really does make a lot of sense. For me, A:R left such a foul taste in my mouth, I want it retconned out of existence, but the idea here has a lot of merit. Kudos!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 19, 2015, 11:56:41 AM
"District 9" was really good.  "Elyisum" had good ideas but the execution was off in parts.  "Chappie" looks like it's trying to hard to be "Short Circuit 3".  But Neil is a good up and coming Sci-Fi Director.  Both the previous Director's didn't have Sci-Fi background so this is good.  I'm excited that he took a chance with that concept art and treatment.  I'm also sure he was talking to Sigorney about it since she is in his next film  "Chappie".  Speaking of my Girl Ripley, she looks GREAT:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9rCAzsCMAA4CfQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 11:57:18 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 10:56:04 AM
Biehn is too old to play Hicks now if you ask me. And I don't really wanna see the role recast.

That depends entirely on the nature of the Hicks role. I've seen him in some of his roles lately, and although many of the movies he's been in as of late have been... Not so great. He has the chops for it still.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 10:56:04 AM
Ripley did die in Alien 3. She wasn't Ripley any more when she came back.

Well, that's not exactly my point. Weaver apparently changed her mind and was willing to come back. Whether it was down to the size of the paycheck, or what, i'm not sure.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 19, 2015, 11:01:15 AM
A pragmatic character who could have backed up Ripley's version of events, for one. The third film was hampered by recycling the nobody-believes-Ripley-and-people-die-because-of-it thing. One of the major points of 'Aliens' was that the conclusion implied that was going to be a game-changer in the grand scheme of things, once they got home.

Exactly.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 19, 2015, 11:01:15 AM
QuoteAmanda Ripley maybe.

Eh... The way that character was portrayed, was fine. The reason for her existence, however, still has yet to be reconciled with an explanation. :)

Could you clarify what you mean by "reason" ?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Shuriken on Feb 19, 2015, 11:59:04 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 12:49:04 AM
Quote from: Chronicle on Feb 19, 2015, 12:44:21 AM
Prometheus can kiss my little ass goodbye.

I'll laugh if Fox decides to stop the Prometheus sequel in favor for Alien V.

Ya know I've had that same thought like...1 minute after I saw the news, I hope it doesn't happen since there are fans waiting to see it. But I honestly wouldn't put it past Fox.

Either way, pretty exciting news, guess fan reactions to all of Neil's art got the gears turning, or maybe they already had a plan, and the concept art making its way to the internet was a way to test the waters?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 12:01:34 PM
Quote from: The Shuriken on Feb 19, 2015, 11:59:04 AM
Either way, pretty exciting news, guess fan reactions to all of Neil's art got the gears turning, or maybe they already had a plan, and the concept art making its way to the internet was a way to test the waters?

You have passed the aptitude test for Weyland Yutani. Congratulations and welcome aboard. *lol*

That's really interesting idea - I don't know, but you wouldn't put it past them, would you!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 19, 2015, 12:11:29 PM
After what happen in the last "X Men" and "Star Trek" movies, I wouldn't be shocked by an "Alternate-Timeline" concept.  Therefor yes guys, 3 and 4 might not be safe.  Basically it's like this:

Alien----------------------------------------------Aliens------------------------------------------Alien 3------------------------------------------Alien: R

                                                               Alternate-timeline----------------------------------------Alien 5 (Takes Place after Aliens)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 12:15:05 PM
Eugh the last X-Men film was a joke. They didn't even attempt to explain how Xavier is suddenly alive again. It was almost insulting to the audience's intelligence, like they were just expecting no one to question it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:19:20 PM
The possibility of multiple realities/timelines is long established in those properties. I really loathe the idea for Aliens.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 19, 2015, 12:29:40 PM
Stickied this because yeah, it's kind of important. After my initial wave of enthusiasm, I had the time to think some of this through.

Undoubtely, Blomkamp can definitely nail the dry and dirty style of the first two films -- not to mention that he uses a combination of practical and digital effects that are overall very convincing (just look at District 9, one of the best examples of creature effects in a decade). Very probably the new film will feel like a sequel to them, at least visually.

I love both Alien3 and Alien: Resurrection, I really do -- but I am not particularly opposed to a film that starts anew after Aliens at all. It just needs a solid script to be built on. This brings me to the concept art -- which, mostly, looks pretty promising. Love the Queen in the simulated-jungle facility, and the Derelict-type ship in the hangar (which is more accurate to Giger's designs than the ones in Prometheus!). I don't really like Ripley in the 'Alien-suit', however. If that idea remains in the film, my impression on it will be obviously based on its actual role.

Nothing more than wishful thinking at this point, but I would love it if they estabilished the Derelict Pilot as an actual otherwordly being as opposed to a member of the Engineer race. Very doubtful, but that would really bring it all full circle.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:38:23 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 12:29:40 PM
Nothing more than wishful thinking at this point, but I would love it if they estabilished the Derelict Pilot as an actual otherwordly being as opposed to a member of the Engineer race. Very doubtful, but that would really bring it all full circle.

I'd think that's unlikely as that was the point of Prometheus. And with Scott producing this alongside Prometheus 2, I expect to see them complimenting each other.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 12:39:03 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 12:29:40 PMAfter my initial wave of enthusiasm, I had the time to think some of this through.

The more I think about it the more I realise my feelings are very mixed.

On the one hand, District 9 is possibly my favourite film made in the last decade, it was such an incredible experience. And I even liked Elysium a lot, so I'm really excited to see what Blomkamp can do.

On the other hand, I don't like the idea of Hicks being in it. I can't see any sensible way of that happening without either a ludicrous shoehorn or a total retcon, neither of which I want to see. I also don't like that silly Alien helmet artwork.

Until we get some more details I really don't know what to feel about where this might be going.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Spooky Baz on Feb 19, 2015, 12:39:40 PM
Exciting times to be an Alien/Predator fan indeed. What with a Scott-helmed Prometheus 2, a Black-helmed Predator film and now this. All we need now is a Duncan Jones AvP film and I'll be on cloud nine.

Re the shared universe thing, I'm all for it. As far as I see it, the films needn't be bogged down in continuity from sister-films - as long as they can stand alone on their own story, then I see no reason why we can't cross-reference them in some small way; akin to  the skull in P2 perhaps. It's this world-building aspect that has always excited me. I'd guess Fox think similarly as Hollywood has a massive erection for shared universes at the moment.

I'd rather not see Ripley 8, but then I'm not keen on Alien 3 or Resurrection being consigned to the dustbin either, as Alien 3 in particular still has it's good points. The best solution to my mind is to not include Ripley at all and revert to having real human beings being the protagonists. Looks like that ain't happening though. Ce la vie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 12:39:03 PM
Until we get some more details I really don't know what to feel about where this might be going.

Completely agree. It's an exciting prospect to be getting a new Alien film but until we get more concrete details...we'll naturally feel cautious.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 12:44:29 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:42:26 PMCompletely agree. It's an exciting prospect to be getting a new Alien film but until we get more concrete details...we'll naturally feel cautious.

Also, in the back of my mind there's the knowledge that I was ludicrously excited for Prometheus, which seemed to have everything going for it, but then ended up being a huge disappointment for me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 19, 2015, 12:47:51 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:38:23 PM
I'd think that's unlikely as that was the point of Prometheus. And with Scott producing this alongside Prometheus 2, I expect to see them complimenting each other.
I know, that's why I labeled it as wishful thinking. But you never know, you know. After all, Blomkamp seems to be a big enthusiast of the original films.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:42:26 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 12:39:03 PM
Until we get some more details I really don't know what to feel about where this might be going.

Completely agree. It's an exciting prospect to be getting a new Alien film but until we get more concrete details...we'll naturally feel cautious.
Also agreed. We need more data to work from.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 12:50:50 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 12:47:51 PM
Also agreed. We need more data to work from.

So... Still collating?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: irn on Feb 19, 2015, 12:54:08 PM
I'm massively excited about this! This news had made my day! :D

However Fox, if you're reading this, PLEASE DO NOT RETCON ALIEN 3!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 19, 2015, 12:56:02 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 12:44:29 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 12:42:26 PMCompletely agree. It's an exciting prospect to be getting a new Alien film but until we get more concrete details...we'll naturally feel cautious.

Also, in the back of my mind there's the knowledge that I was ludicrously excited for Prometheus, which seemed to have everything going for it, but then ended up being a huge disappointment for me.

Rarely (if ever) been as hyped for a film than I was with Prometheus. Even if I watched that trailer today, I'd still think "wow, that looks amazing!". Still can't believe Ridley messed that up... :(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Its Auto on Feb 19, 2015, 01:06:20 PM
Right here, right now, this director has the opportunity to set the franchise canon straight. I am excited, but I already have a gut feeling that it is going to be a missed opportunity. Here's my thought; How about we have a new 'Aliens' sequel while NOT retconning 'Alien 3', but instead, correcting the continuity errors?

Hear me out; This movie could take place AFTER 'Aliens', where Ripley, Newt and Hicks made it home safe.

*Insert awesome story right here, which includes aesthetics and technology which match that seen in Aliens (in the same way Isolation mimics the aesthetics of Alien), includes a soundtrack which matches the horror of the first movie, with the action and adrenaline of the second, a story where the characters are presented with an ordeal so pressing that Riply and Hicks cannot ignore, leaving Newt safely at Gateway (as responsible parents would), as they steal the Sulaco, along with the deactivated carcass of Bishop (as the only proof of what has happened) with a group of others and head on into the story. But hold onto your butts, after a rollercoaster ride of horror and shocking revelations, Wey-Yu shows up with Newt as leverage to stop Ripley on what she is about to do *insert further awesome story here* and it all ends with Ripley, Newt, a badly beaten up Hicks, and the deactivated Bishop that hasnt been part of the story but was left on the ship, all asleep in the CIVILIAN Cryo-bay (ya know, where they would have transported all those LV-426 colonists they were gonna rescue) as the camera pans to a pulsating superhugger egg, which got there in perfectly plausible means thanks to an earlier scene in the movie XD

The end.

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 01:09:06 PM
The concept art may have given away some beats from the movie.  Why would Ripley clad herself in explosives?  Because, if she is a hybrid whose DNA can integrate with Alien technology then The Company would consider her an extremely valuable asset.  District 9 again then...

What if this movie is essentially an alternative Alien 4?  WY clone Ripley for her DNA.  Hicks was kidnapped from the Sulaco to provide first hand info to WY (okay, this is wonky but the only way to explain his being alive is through some convoluted style "The Dark Knight Rises Prologue" shenanigans.)

The movie would proceed (in a fairly unoriginal manner) fulfilling a wishlist of things from the Alien series.  Giger Alien. Grungy hardcore sci-fi production design.  Nightmarish terror.  Pulse pounding thrills.  Androids!  Pulse Rifles! Sigourney!  But if it is shot well, performed well, cut well and scored well then I'll take it.  And, it won't necessarily negate Alien: Resurrection either as that film takes place so far in the future.  In fact it makes the United Systems Military even more inept, ripping off ideas from ancient corporate entities.  Producing multiple failed versions of a vastly superior original.  Man, this stuff is just brimming with subtext... :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 01:44:52 PM
I'm thrilled! Honestly, I love Blomkamp and really want to see this.

Quote from: Its Auto on Feb 19, 2015, 01:06:20 PM
Right here, right now, this director has the opportunity to set the franchise canon straight. I am excited, but I already have a gut feeling that it is going to be a missed opportunity. Here's my thought; How about we have a new 'Aliens' sequel while NOT retconning 'Alien 3', but instead, correcting the continuity errors?

You mean a movie where Hicks, Newt, and Bishop survive?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 01:09:06 PM
The concept art may have given away some beats from the movie.  Why would Ripley clad herself in explosives?  Because, if she is a hybrid whose DNA can integrate with Alien technology then The Company would consider her an extremely valuable asset.  District 9 again then...

All of your points are very interesting, but something about this one actually rings quite true to me somehow. At the very least these are some very astute observations.  :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: stroggificated on Feb 19, 2015, 01:53:22 PM
After Prometheus i'll never be hyped for an Alien movie. There's certainly something to f**k it up again.
Stupid dialogues, even more fleshier Aliens, plotholes you can't ignore, etc.
When does it even air? 2020? f**k it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:01:52 PM
Quote from: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 01:09:06 PM
The movie would proceed (in a fairly unoriginal manner) fulfilling a wishlist of things from the Alien series.  Giger Alien. Grungy hardcore sci-fi production design.  Nightmarish terror.  Pulse pounding thrills.  Androids!  Pulse Rifles! Sigourney!  But if it is shot well, performed well, cut well and scored well then I'll take it.  And, it won't necessarily negate Alien: Resurrection either as that film takes place so far in the future.  In fact it makes the United Systems Military even more inept, ripping off ideas from ancient corporate entities.  Producing multiple failed versions of a vastly superior original.  Man, this stuff is just brimming with subtext... :D

It's hard to go back to the formula of the original film I think because people expect an action film in the vein of Aliens. And considering Neil's concept art showed off a Queen, I'm sure that's what we'll get.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 02:05:50 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 01:09:06 PM
The concept art may have given away some beats from the movie.  Why would Ripley clad herself in explosives?  Because, if she is a hybrid whose DNA can integrate with Alien technology then The Company would consider her an extremely valuable asset.  District 9 again then...

All of your points are very interesting, but something about this one actually rings quite true to me somehow. At the very least these are some very astute observations.  :)

The Space Jockey Suit Ripley will probably also serve the same purpose as District 9.  Third act final battle, Ripley engages the Queen, multiple Aliens and corporate stormtroopers whilst wearing a strength and agility enhancing exo-suit.  An idea that I'm not overly fond of.  But Hollywood sees bank in superheroes so lets turn Ripley into Ubermorph...

Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:01:52 PM
It's hard to go back to the formula of the original film I think because people expect an action film in the vein of Aliens. And considering Neil's concept art showed off a Queen, I'm sure that's what we'll get.

I think there is room for a tense claustrophobic second act which could deliver on the horror and suspense of ALIEN, whilst the third act can change gears and ramp up into ALIENS territory. 
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 02:07:01 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 08:28:34 AM
I'd like to see it explore Ripley 8. I genuinely think her character was the best thing about Resurrection. Her mix with the Aliens allows for something for Weaver to dig into and for the writer to explore. It gives it the potential to actually move forward and not simply repeat the formula of the previous films. I just want it to close off the Ripley story so the franchise can move forward.

This is the only way which I think they should finish the franchise. Heavily in agreement here.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 02:09:28 PM
Just read this on Den of Geek in the comments section:

Quote"This film will need a big budget and to qualify for that, it will need to tick a lot of boxes to keep investors happy. Expect a family-friendly 13-rated safe-bet action film rather than the hard-hitting tone of the originals. That era of film making is gone. We're in the era of rapid ROI and low risk investment. They absolutely will not do this properly because of Dredd and Watchmen, they'll play safe and we'll get yet another "meh" Alien film. And it will have to be this way because, as Ridley Scott himself said, his "dragon" has gone to Disneyland. Good luck Blomkamp, you're gonna need it."

Which, annoyingly, is good food for thought.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:11:17 PM
I really seriously hope not.

The glimmer of hope I have is Blomkamp's first two films were hard R.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: swarm87 on Feb 19, 2015, 02:12:47 PM

pg-13 alien movie with liberal message here we come
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 02:17:46 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 02:09:28 PM
Just read this on Den of Geek in the comments section:

Quote"This film will need a big budget and to qualify for that, it will need to tick a lot of boxes to keep investors happy. Expect a family-friendly 13-rated safe-bet action film rather than the hard-hitting tone of the originals. That era of film making is gone. We're in the era of rapid ROI and low risk investment. They absolutely will not do this properly because of Dredd and Watchmen, they'll play safe and we'll get yet another "meh" Alien film. And it will have to be this way because, as Ridley Scott himself said, his "dragon" has gone to Disneyland. Good luck Blomkamp, you're gonna need it."

Which, annoyingly, is good food for thought.

The studio will go for an R-rated movie, if Blomkamp can bring the picture in for a reasonable budget.  The recent "Riddick" movie was shot for a modest budget and maintained that R-rated spirit of the 80's.  Even Blomkamp's own "Elysium" maintained the flavour of that spirit.  And that was made on a considerably bigger budget.  Fox have greenlit an R-rated "Deadpool" film for a modest budget.

If Blomkamp can use some ingenuity, he can pull off a lot with a mid-level budget.  Cameron made $18 mil look like $100 mil.  This keeps the studio happy regarding a return on their investment and should engender some respect with the fan base.  Of course, Fox tried this technique with AVP: R under the Rothman regime.  I have more respect for the current brass at Fox and respect Blomkamp as a filmmaker infinitely more than the Strause Brothers.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 19, 2015, 02:18:20 PM
If Blomkamp ditches Ripley for all new characters, I'm happy with that.

If he wants to do a Superman Returns and ignore Alien 3 and 4, I'm happy with that. The third movie had little regard for continuity or concern with the second film, and is applauded for doing so by its fans. So bring it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 02:29:00 PM
Quote from: swarm87 on Feb 19, 2015, 02:12:47 PM

pg-13 alien movie with liberal message here we come

Because every Alien movie and every Blomkamp movie has been PG-13 so far.

Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 19, 2015, 02:18:20 PM
If Blomkamp ditches Ripley for all new characters, I'm happy with that.

If he wants to do a Superman Returns and ignore Alien 3 and 4, I'm happy with that. The third movie had little regard for continuity or concern with the second film, and is applauded for doing so by its fans. So bring it.

Fair. :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:30:52 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 02:29:00 PMBecause every Alien movie and every Blomkamp movie has been PG-13 so far.

In fairness, off the back of Event Horizon, Soldier and Resident Evil, who would've thought AVP would be PG-13...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:32:59 PM
Quote from: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 02:05:50 PM
The Space Jockey Suit Ripley will probably also serve the same purpose as District 9.  Third act final battle, Ripley engages the Queen, multiple Aliens and corporate stormtroopers whilst wearing a strength and agility enhancing exo-suit.  An idea that I'm not overly fond of.  But Hollywood sees bank in superheroes so lets turn Ripley into Ubermorph...

Again, that really does fit the pieces of the concept art and Blomkamp's previous efforts... And it ties in nicely with Ridley Scott's Prometheus stuff.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:30:52 PM
In fairness, off the back of Event Horizon, Soldier and Resident Evil, who would've thought AVP would be PG-13...

...Sadly true. Somehow, though, I doubt Fox is gonna go PG-13 on this one, though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 19, 2015, 02:39:40 PM
Well, another future cr*p to add to the series unless there's a miracle and blomkamp happen to be a good director.
I don't count too much on that though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:41:27 PM
Quote from: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 02:17:46 PM
If Blomkamp can use some ingenuity, he can pull off a lot with a mid-level budget.  Cameron made $18 mil look like $100 mil.  This keeps the studio happy regarding a return on their investment and should engender some respect with the fan base.  Of course, Fox tried this technique with AVP: R under the Rothman regime.  I have more respect for the current brass at Fox and respect Blomkamp as a filmmaker infinitely more than the Strause Brothers.

Cameron did it at a time when movie's didn't cost as much to make. Everything's more expensive today. I don't think Fox will be stingy with their budget because Blomkamp is an established director and a money-maker.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:14 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:41:27 PMCameron did it at a time when movie's didn't cost as much to make. Everything's more expensive today.

Steven Seagal's direct-to-video career seems to disagree with you... :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: dallevalle on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:32 PM
I am so happy !!!!!
this is gonna be great :D alien 5 and prometheus 2 holy balls we are getting spoiled now !
just give me a predator 3 with arnold and my life is complete :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Promethean Fire on Feb 19, 2015, 02:45:45 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:30:52 PM
In fairness, off the back of Event Horizon, Soldier and Resident Evil, who would've thought AVP would be PG-13...

Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 02:32:59 PM
...Sadly true. Somehow, though, I doubt Fox is gonna go PG-13 on this one, though.

Agreed.  The people at Fox now are a bit more savvy.  This whole project has essentially been greenlit by the force of the outspoken fanbase via the internet.  As a studio, they are not going to suddenly piss off that fanbase.  Ever since Tom Rothman left Fox, the quality of their films has slowly increased.  Form the revived X-Men franchise to the new Planet of the Apes series.  The Deadpool movie was greenlit in much the same way as Blomkamp's Alien.  And given a R rating because thats what the fans demanded.   

Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:41:27 PM
Cameron did it at a time when movie's didn't cost as much to make. Everything's more expensive today. I don't think Fox will be stingy with their budget because Blomkamp is an established director and a money-maker.

Relatively speaking, adjusting for inflation Cameron made the movie for the cost of a mid level budget movie these days.  I think Return of the Jedi probably came in at around $30 odd mil which, in moviemaking terms, is equivalent to a $100mil+ budget these days.  The art of movie making is only overly expensive in the hands of an inexperienced film maker who feels the need to use a $50, 000 fx shot every five frames, when a $1000 painting and puppet could probably achieve the same effect!  ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:46:38 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:14 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:41:27 PMCameron did it at a time when movie's didn't cost as much to make. Everything's more expensive today.

Steven Seagal's direct-to-video career seems to disagree with you... :P

Lol, I don't think those films cost much to make.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 02:48:07 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 04:03:44 AMGridseeker as much as I do like the alternate universe/alternate canon idea... I just do not see Fox adopting that idea. Not to mention for whatever reason, as unfounded as it is, seems to really not sit well with fans as it wouldn't erase anything.
Not saying it would be a comic book where there are dozens of alternate universes interacting or anything... I'm simply referring to a different canon independent from the Alien series.


Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 12:15:05 PMEugh the last X-Men film was a joke. They didn't even attempt to explain how Xavier is suddenly alive again. It was almost insulting to the audience's intelligence, like they were just expecting no one to question it.
Lol, we all know how he survived.


Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 19, 2015, 06:44:50 AM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2015, 06:42:14 AM
We won't. Blomkamp's a good director.

Just his ideas are the worst type of Aliens fanboy terrible if his art's anything to go by.


I hate a majority of fanfiction, and aliens fancfiction is no different, all of this retconing just reminds me of bad fanfiction
Haters gonna hate ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 19, 2015, 03:03:18 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 02:41:27 PMCameron did it at a time when movie's didn't cost as much to make. Everything's more expensive today.

Both right and wrong in this sentence.
Almost everything to make a movie (adjusted to inflation of course) actually cost much less than it did back in time.
A 10go usb card that can fill 1 minutes of raw files cost way less than 1 meter of film.
Same goes for camera, now companies eventually own them while back at the film era they only use to rent it due to the price.
Problem was, you rent it for one movie but as soon as you make another one you could have bought a camera.
But since studios didn't knew if they were ever going to make another movie they used to rent.
For all the expensive gear (microphone, tripods, crane, dolly, blablabla) not much has changed, they keep it so it doesn't cost anything at all.

Also, keep in mind they use to be a time, making lawrence of Arabia required 1000 figures to make a couple of shots. Each shot takes a day and you pay an average of 100$ each person. That's 100 000$ you're burning a day.
Today with modern computer, you pay 100 000$ and a bunch of VFX artists are going to make all the VFX of your film due to fixed bid which doesn't depends on the time spent to achieve a shot. It's very cost effective especially when you get subsidies.

What actually cost much more are the stars & marketing. And that's where the budget goes for your film.
Even adjusted with inflation there's a gap between what actors and directors used to be paid 50 years ago and how much they are being paid today.
Pay 10 000 000$ 5 stars and you already have a 50 000 000$ budget :D
Same thing with marketing. There was a time there weren't even trailers for film.
Now they make multiples, with posters everywhere and in all media (TV, Internet, local shop)

That is where your money is.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Feb 19, 2015, 03:27:45 PM
I'm glad this is happening but I can't say that I'm excited about it yet.

I enjoyed District 9 and Elysium but many many behind the scenes things can still go wrong for this.

In agreement with what someone else said on here recently: Prometheus was probably the film that I've been most excited for in my entire life.
It turned out to be a bitter disappointment for me which has lead me to be cautiously optimistic but to really expect nothing from mainstream film-making anymore including this movie.

I hope Neil Blomkamp makes a great film though. It's simplistic/cliched story aside, Elysium had some great action and some great characters. The third act was spectacular despite a few plot-holes which I can overlook due to my general enjoyment of the movie and it's world.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: scarhunter92 on Feb 19, 2015, 03:52:12 PM
Really curious about this. Will LMAO hard if Fox moves forward with his retcon premise. I'm sure it will be better than Resurrection and both AvP films. He's the most appropiate pick for the franchise since Cameron (I like Alien 3, but Fincher was a nobody back then).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 03:55:45 PM
I really hope it is not going to be PG 13, I know gore doesn't make a film good but it is actually a part of the franchise, its what made the chestburster scene memorable after all and poor Veronica fainted  :laugh: plus a lot of violence tends to get cut out as well.

I guess I would not mind too much with an Alien 3 retcon but personally I would rather it not, I think retconning would damage Ripley, her sacrifice and how gritty and horrible the universe is, and the message in it, Alien 3 showed us that anyone can die, protagonist or not. Don't get me wrong I would love Hicks back as much as the next fan but I think everyone is just getting too hung up over events that happned over a decade ago, s*** happens, people need to get over it, I did and I embrace Alien 3 as a legit part of the continuity, doesn't matter that the character we loved died, that just set the atmosphere for the film.

Plus a retcon, especially one that brings us Ripley and Hicks is just fanservice, nothing more.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 19, 2015, 04:09:25 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:30:52 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 19, 2015, 02:29:00 PMBecause every Alien movie and every Blomkamp movie has been PG-13 so far.

In fairness, off the back of Event Horizon, Soldier and Resident Evil, who would've thought AVP would be PG-13...

Blomkamp said he wouldn't make this film unless it was on his own terms.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 04:11:36 PM
So fricking glad Hicks isn't coming back. My guess P2 will carry on with the engineers and introduce the Alien fully, the Blomkamp will make an Alien film that directly relates to the original
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 19, 2015, 04:14:57 PM
Quote from: Corporal HicksFollowing all the recent news regarding the potential Alien 5 project by District 9 and Chappie helmer Neil Blomkamp, he posted a piece of H.R Giger's concept artwork for Alien on his Instragram with the notation "I think it's officially my next film. #alien".

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/02/19/blomkamps-alien-5-official/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2015/02/19/blomkamps-alien-5-official/)

*Neill Blomkamp

Two "L"'s Corporal.  ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 04:15:16 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 04:11:36 PMMy guess P2 will carry on with the engineers and introduce the Alien fully

People keep saying this, yet Scott has made it clear the Prometheus sequel will have even less to do with the Alien than the first one.

Given that they're now making a bonafide Alien film as well, that seems entirely likely.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Space Sweeper on Feb 19, 2015, 04:20:06 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 19, 2015, 02:18:20 PM
If Blomkamp ditches Ripley for all new characters, I'm happy with that.

If he wants to do a Superman Returns and ignore Alien 3 and 4, I'm happy with that. The third movie had little regard for continuity or concern with the second film, and is applauded for doing so by its fans. So bring it.
On. f**king. Point.

I've stopped caring, and I've recently been spoiled when it comes to this franchise with Alien Isolation, just after it got as seemingly bad as it could possibly get with Colon Marines, so now it's basically win/win/whatever for me, and the tears of all others are delicious. Num num num.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 04:23:48 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 04:11:36 PM
So fricking glad Hicks isn't coming back. My guess P2 will carry on with the engineers and introduce the Alien fully, the Blomkamp will make an Alien film that directly relates to the original

Hick's isn't back? Where did this come from, I missed the link, can you repost?

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:14 PM
Steven Seagal's direct-to-video career seems to disagree with you... :P

And you can take that to the bank. The blood bank.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Bat Chain Puller on Feb 19, 2015, 04:25:34 PM
Blomkamp has the chops to pull this off visually.

All we can hope for is a smart script with teeth and the right balance of thrills, action, and drama.

If the script is weak, or a slapdash of fan service we can count on this being Elysium with aliens in it.

I think everyone I've ever met who loves ALIEN and ALIENS wants a proper sequel that brings the aliens to earth and we get to go to the home world. (If such a thing even exists anymore.) I wouldn't mind a film that sort of ignores ALIEN 3 and 4. (As much as I loved 3.) Ripley being human and  carrying on the fight would be much more dramatic and true to the roots, but would derail the continuity and confuse general audiences. 

On the other hand Hybrid Ripley has a lot of potential and throwing her back into the mix with Aliens and the new Prometheus lore could be really awesome if handled correctly.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 04:25:52 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 04:23:48 PMAnd you can take that to the bank. The blood bank.

:laugh: 10 points for you.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 04:28:47 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 04:15:16 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 04:11:36 PMMy guess P2 will carry on with the engineers and introduce the Alien fully

People keep saying this, yet Scott has made it clear the Prometheus sequel will have even less to do with the Alien than the first one.

Given that they're now making a bonafide Alien film as well, that seems entirely likely.

I think it's best if the films don't tie in to each other at all. Let them be their own thing. Prometheus can't be an Alien prequel anymore so let Riddles do whatever he wants with it. I'd rather see Blomkamp make something unique.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 04:35:44 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 04:25:52 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 04:23:48 PMAnd you can take that to the bank. The blood bank.

:laugh: 10 points for you.

dun dun dundundundun.

I thank you.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Feb 19, 2015, 04:25:34 PM
Blomkamp has the chops to pull this off visually.

All we can hope for is a smart script with teeth and the right balance of thrills, action, and drama.

If the script is weak, or a slapdash of fan service we can count on this being Elysium with aliens in it.

I think everyone I've ever met who loves ALIEN and ALIENS wants a proper sequel that brings the aliens to earth and we get to go to the home world. (If such a thing even exists anymore.) I wouldn't mind a film that sort of ignores ALIEN 3 and 4. (As much as I loved 3.) Ripley being human and  carrying on the fight would be much more dramatic and true to the roots, but would derail the continuity and confuse general audiences. 

On the other hand Hybrid Ripley has a lot of potential and throwing her back into the mix with Aliens and the new Prometheus lore could be really awesome if handled correctly.

I can agree but bringing the aliens to earth is likely what contributed to the failure of AVP  films(other than the obvious). We are always told that should Aliens reach earth, it would be devastation....but it wasn't.

Don't really like the hybrid storyline, too silly for my tastes. Alien to Alien 3 kept things dark and gritty, Resurrection just went wacky, I can appreciete the style and artistic view but it was just nonsense and over the top.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 19, 2015, 04:47:21 PM
I see two options that I would be equally fine with (assuming the script is well written and well executed, of course.)

Retcon Version:
Retcons Alien 3 and Resurrection, and starts a new story taking place some time after Al()ENS.  Involves Ripley and Hicks versing Weyland-Yutani.

Non-Retcon Version:
Takes place after Alien 3 (with Ripley dead), but way before Resurrection.  Since there's like a 200 year gap there, i'm sure they could invent a new story in there with new characters.  WY still trying to engineer aliens as bio-weapons, and new characters discovering the horror and trying to stop it. They wouldn't have to "retcon" resurrection, just ignore it since it wont happen for another 200 years or so.   
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 04:49:54 PM
The non-retcon version doesn't sound so bad, but it does seem like it could be a retread of Aliens.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
They say that Ridley Scott/Scott Free is producing this film as well.  Ugh, can't that guy just stay in the Prometheus franchise?  After that movie, I don't want him coming anywhere near this.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Samus007 on Feb 19, 2015, 04:59:04 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 04:11:36 PM
So fricking glad Hicks isn't coming back. My guess P2 will carry on with the engineers and introduce the Alien fully, the Blomkamp will make an Alien film that directly relates to the original

Where is that confirmed at? Did i miss something because no cast has been announced yet.


Okay, so here's whats going to happen... Resurrection Ripley is going to time travel back to right after the events of Aliens and right before the events of Alien 3. She's going to sneak on board the Sulaco and rid it of the Alien egg that is there. Then she is going to smile at Newt, who is asleep, and then eject herself out of the ship killing herself. Or, better yet, she will stick around and when Ripley, Hicks, Bishop, and Newt all wake up, tell them crazy stories of what almost happened to them.

The end.

(I'm joking. All this sounds terrible).  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 19, 2015, 05:09:59 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
They say that Ridley Scott/Scott Free is producing this film as well.  Ugh, can't that guy just stay in the Prometheus franchise?  After that movie, I don't want him coming anywhere near this.

Producing is not the same as directing. Most likely Ridley will just be lending his name to this production like he did with Halo Nightfall.

Would have loved for Scott to be the production designer on Blomkamp's film but for obvious reason's this isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Samus007 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:12:32 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
They say that Ridley Scott/Scott Free is producing this film as well.  Ugh, can't that guy just stay in the Prometheus franchise?  After that movie, I don't want him coming anywhere near this.

It's a sad day when us fans feel the same way about Ridley Scott as we do about Lucas. We want them to stay away from what they once created so long ago, because for some reason, they make it worse when they go back to it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 19, 2015, 05:12:42 PM
Quote from: Bat Chain Puller on Feb 19, 2015, 04:25:34 PM
Ripley being human and  carrying on the fight would be much more dramatic and true to the roots, but would derail the continuity and confuse general audiences. 

I'm not sure that's entirely true. Most people I know lose track sometime after Aliens. Fans on the other hand will be able to roll with it without confusion, I think.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ripley28 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:14:20 PM
I'd be fine with them just ignoring everything post-Aliens and doing their own things.  As for Hicks, I saw Alien 3 for the first time years ago when was 10.  I hated THAT scene then and I hate it even more now.  It's actually my most hated moment of the entire franchise, so monumentally dumb.  So by all means, bring Hicks back, and Newt, and Bishop, I'm all for it.  Killing them off in the first place, especially how it was done, was a massive mistake.


Quote from: Samus007 on Feb 19, 2015, 05:12:32 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
They say that Ridley Scott/Scott Free is producing this film as well.  Ugh, can't that guy just stay in the Prometheus franchise?  After that movie, I don't want him coming anywhere near this.

It's a sad day when us fans feel the same way about Ridley Scott as we do about Lucas. We want them to stay away from what they once created so long ago, because for some reason, they make it worse when they go back to it.

Ridley Scott has been on a cold streak in general recently, at least for me.  Robin Hood, Prometheus, The Counselor, Exodus: Gods and Kings, all incredibly disappointing.  Heck at this point I don't want him doing the Blade Runner sequel either.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:18:37 PM
Can someone change to title of this thread to "Alien 5"? :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 19, 2015, 05:23:18 PM
Siggy talks Chappie and Alien 5 on The Tonight Show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFJGg_GKts#t=34 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFJGg_GKts#t=34)

Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:18:37 PM
Can someone change to title of this thread to "Alien 5"? :D

But what if it's going to be Alien 3?  ???
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:33:27 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 19, 2015, 05:23:18 PMBut what if it's going to be Alien 3?  ???
Just change the title again when that's confirmed.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 19, 2015, 05:36:21 PM
I reckon we should just go with the working title "Aliens 2.0" for now.  :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 19, 2015, 05:38:57 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 19, 2015, 04:14:57 PM
Two "L"'s Corporal.  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzJEkOCO1jo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzJEkOCO1jo)  ;)

Fixed.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kelgaard on Feb 19, 2015, 05:40:55 PM
 
QuoteI wouldn't mind a film that sort of ignores ALIEN 3 and 4. (As much as I loved 3.) Ripley being human and  carrying on the fight would be much more dramatic and true to the roots, but would derail the continuity and confuse general audiences. 

Audiences by now should be pretty familiar with reboots and do-over sequels, and if I had to guess, I'd say Aliens is much better remembered than the latter sequels by general audiences.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 05:42:00 PM
If this is Alien 5, we can expect to see WY?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:42:56 PM
Quote from: Kelgaard on Feb 19, 2015, 05:40:55 PMAudiences by now should be pretty familiar with reboots and do-over sequels, and if I had to guess, I'd say Aliens is much better remembered than the latter sequels by general audiences.
Most people are only familiar with Alien and Aliens, the other two movies didn't reach the collective memory status or they plain prefer to forget them, just like they prefer to forget Alien vs Predator and Requiem. I mean, I don't think we can find too many people that do remember whatever happened on Alien 3 and 4 or have cherished memories about that...

Quote from: Chronicle on Feb 19, 2015, 01:04:40 AMugh seriously....why

Can we please keep Ridley out of the picture?
Probably not. Ticket sales, you know ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 05:51:39 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:42:56 PMMost people are only familiar with Alien and Aliens, the other two movies didn't reach the collective memory status or they plain prefer to forget them, just like they prefer to forget Alien vs Predator and Requiem. I mean, I don't think we can find too many people that do remember whatever happened on Alien 3 and 4 or have cherished memories about that...

I disagree with all this talk of people forgetting about the later films.

I'm pretty sure everyone knows Ripley died. It's kind of major, memorable plot point. My parents are hardly Alien fans, but they know Ripley's dead.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 05:57:30 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 19, 2015, 05:23:18 PM
But what if it's going to be Alien 3?  ???

Then you have the option of picking and choosing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 19, 2015, 06:02:25 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 05:33:27 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 19, 2015, 05:23:18 PMBut what if it's going to be Alien 3?  ???
Just change the title again when that's confirmed.
Yeah, I will wait till then. No sense in calling it Alien5 if it does not follow 3 and 4.


I think the title is fine as it is for now; we will change it with further data acquired.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 06:10:04 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 05:51:39 PMI'm pretty sure everyone knows Ripley died. It's kind of major, memorable plot point. My parents are hardly Alien fans, but they know Ripley's dead.
And they liked her to die?

Do they know Ripley was cloned into an acidic blood action-star version of her, and are they OK with that?

Would they be against seeing more Ripley and Hicks?

Most people didn't like that Ripley died because they didn't like Alien 3, or in the best of the cases they were completly "whatever" about Ripley's and Alien 3 was completely 'meh' for them. So, I think most people wouldn't mind Ripley and Hicks just being unexplainedly alive again, and in many cases they would love them to be back.


Just like they said above, people nowadays understand the reboot term, they could find a way to work a reboot sequel just like X-Men or Terminator, with an explanation or without it.


Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 06:09:38 PM
I think the title is fine as it is for now; we will change it with further data acquired.
OK.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 06:15:26 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 06:10:04 PMAnd they liked her to die?

When did I ever say anything about liking it? I said they remembered.

Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 06:10:04 PMMost people didn't like that Ripley died because they didn't like Alien 3, or in the best of the cases they were completly "whatever" about Ripley's and Alien 3 was completely 'meh' for them. So, I think most people wouldn't mind Ripley and Hicks just being unexplainedly alive again, and in many cases they would love them to be back.

This forum has shown plenty of people definitely do not want them back.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 19, 2015, 06:20:03 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if they tried to have it both ways, IE set the movie after Resurrection, but have Hicks return either as a clone or a synthetic. Remember synthetic Ripley from the novelization of Female War?

Either way, I'm looking forward to following this as it develops. I'm just so excited that a new Alien movie is finally happening!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 06:26:34 PM
Hell Hicks doesn't have to be a synthetic if it's after Resurrection. Leave that to Sharlto Copley.

Chances are, if they pull the Hicks conspiracy theory from A:CM, they can just say WY ended up freezing Hicks in hyper sleep after using him for several years to fight Xeno infestations. That would explain his age.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 19, 2015, 06:29:12 PM
I think the title should have a Roman Numeral in it, "ALIEN V".  WOW.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 06:33:31 PM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 19, 2015, 06:29:12 PM
I think the title should have a Roman Numeral in it, "ALIEN V".  WOW.
Yeah I think so too. Mentioned that in the other thread that is purely dedicated to the title.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 19, 2015, 06:44:06 PM
I say go the Cyborg/Android Humaniod Route with Hicks.   They can say the Colonial Marines used his DNA cause he was a great solider and created a cloned version.  The scars on his face is cause that's how he looked when he died.   I mean I just think the whole "OH HICKS LIVED" thing doesn't feel right, feels kinda force and screaming at old school fans like myself  but is it right for the story?  I'm all for Hicks coming back but I don't think they should erase Alien 3 and 4.  Just set this way into the future.  The only way that will make sense is I said an "Alternate Timeline" scenario or You have Ripley wake up in Cryo-Sleep after "Aliens" as if 3 and 4 did not happen but was all some kind of dream.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 06:44:58 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 06:26:34 PMChances are, if they pull the Hicks conspiracy theory from A:CM, they can just say WY ended up freezing Hicks in hyper sleep after using him for several years to fight Xeno infestations. That would explain his age.

Except a) people don't age in hypersleep and b) why the hell would they bother?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 07:03:44 PM
Why exactly do we want Hicks back? He was a cool character, but his arc is over.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 19, 2015, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 19, 2015, 07:03:44 PM
Why exactly do we want Hicks back? He was a cool character, but his arc is over.

Because the character was unfairly cut down for no good reason.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 19, 2015, 07:05:11 PM
General audiences are all over Aliens. The whole excision of Hicks and Newt seems to be an ongoing resentment.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 07:05:47 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 04:23:48 PM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 04:11:36 PM
So fricking glad Hicks isn't coming back. My guess P2 will carry on with the engineers and introduce the Alien fully, the Blomkamp will make an Alien film that directly relates to the original

Hick's isn't back? Where did this come from, I missed the link, can you repost?

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 02:43:14 PM
Steven Seagal's direct-to-video career seems to disagree with you... :P

And you can take that to the bank. The blood bank.

Sorry should have made clear that that post was purely my opinion. If Hicks does come though I'm done with the film altogether. Shoehorning a dead character into a film is always a bad start to a film m. All in the name of fan wankery as well. I liked the concept art but as concept alone.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 07:06:19 PM
If they do have Hicks, I hope they follow the A:CM arc so that at least something good can come from that fiasco.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 19, 2015, 07:10:23 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 07:06:19 PM
If they do have Hicks, I hope they follow the A:CM arc so that at least something good can come from that fiasco.

In the train wreck that was ACM, Hicks being alive and their explanation of it was not good. There is no good way to bring him back.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 07:06:19 PMIf they do have Hicks, I hope they follow the A:CM arc so that at least something good can come from that fiasco.

I cannot express how devastated I would be if they decide to follow on from that with this film. The way they attempted to justify Hicks being alive in that game was an absolute disgrace and an insult to the intelligence.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: scarhunter92 on Feb 19, 2015, 07:19:17 PM
Quote from: Space Sweeper on Feb 19, 2015, 04:20:06 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 19, 2015, 02:18:20 PM
If Blomkamp ditches Ripley for all new characters, I'm happy with that.

If he wants to do a Superman Returns and ignore Alien 3 and 4, I'm happy with that. The third movie had little regard for continuity or concern with the second film, and is applauded for doing so by its fans. So bring it.
On. f**king. Point.

I've stopped caring, and I've recently been spoiled when it comes to this franchise with Alien Isolation, just after it got as seemingly bad as it could possibly get with Colon Marines, so now it's basically win/win/whatever for me, and the tears of all others are delicious. Num num num.

Yup. Totally agree.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 07:20:31 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 07:16:18 PM
I cannot express how devastated I would be if they decide to follow on from that with this film. The way they attempted to justify Hicks being alive in that game was an absolute disgrace and an insult to the intelligence.

A lot of people say the Stasis Interrupted DLC made his return a little more palatable.

I don't know, I watched that sequence where Hicks is brought out of hypersleep and was in tears laughing at the WY guy putting somebody else in Hick's tube. Just freaking hysterically done with absolutely no subtlety or anything.

So, yeah, if they're gonna bring Hicks back it better not be the way Colonial Marines did it. That's a textbook example of how not to do it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 19, 2015, 07:20:38 PM
Quote from: GQSioux on Feb 19, 2015, 01:33:46 AM
We're getting both a Prometheus 2 AND an Alien sequel. I'm just gonna sit back and be optimistic.  ;D

I profoundly dislike prometheus, but this is the attitude. I'll do the same.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 07:22:23 PM
As much as I liked Hicks, I don't want to see him return.. Leave him alone.

Let sleeping dogs lie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 07:30:42 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 07:20:31 PMA lot of people say the Stasis Interrupted DLC made his return a little more palatable.

I don't know, I watched that sequence where Hicks is brought out of hypersleep and was in tears laughing at the WY guy putting somebody else in Hick's tube. Just freaking hysterically done with absolutely no subtlety or anything.

So, yeah, if they're gonna bring Hicks back it better not be the way Colonial Marines did it. That's a textbook example of how not to do it.

It wasn't that the add-on made it more palatable - it was that the main game didn't even attempt to offer an explanation.

The actual explanation we got in the DLC was, as you say, a joke.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 07:34:00 PM
I don't need an explanation, I don't even want an explanation, we already have the definitive one (Hicks died because of Alien 3's development hell, now we're free to ignore that, so YOLO), I don't want this movie to care about continuity, disregard all that, make as little references as possible, ignore Alien 3 and R and and just give me a good ride with the things that made Alien and Aliens great: Great thrills, great creature, great characters (Ripley, Hicks, probably Bishop) and a great story on its own right.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Jman on Feb 19, 2015, 07:34:31 PM
Maybe the Engineers experimented and tried to merge their dna or actual human dna with the Xenos, and the Kane-spawned Alien showed that particular characteristic, hence the humanoid-like skull under the 1979 Alien's dome. Maybe the stinger-like tail was a byproduct of the experiment also. Aliens subsequent to the first film didn't have those features. Could it be possible that the embryo implanted in Kane was unique? Maybe a non-related but ancient forerunner to the "newborn" of Alien Resurrection?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 07:41:50 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 07:34:00 PM
I don't need an explanation, I don't even want an explanation, we already have the definitive one (Hicks died because of Alien 3's development hell, now we're free to ignore that, so YOLO), I don't want this movie to care about continuity, disregard all that, make as little references as possible, ignore Alien 3 and R and and just give me a good ride with the things that made Alien and Aliens great: Great thrills, great creature, great characters (Ripley, Hicks, probably Bishop) and a great story on its own right.

Its poor attention to continuity that contributed to AVP 1 and 2 result  :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 07:50:05 PM
Quote from: Jman on Feb 19, 2015, 07:34:31 PM
Maybe the Engineers experimented and tried to merge their dna or actual human dna with the Xenos, and the Kane-spawned Alien showed that particular characteristic, hence the humanoid-like skull under the 1979 Alien's dome. Maybe the stinger-like tail was a byproduct of the experiment also. Aliens subsequent to the first film didn't have those features. Could it be possible that the embryo implanted in Kane was unique? Maybe a non-related but ancient forerunner to the "newborn" of Alien Resurrection?

It certainly wasn't treated uniquely if it was. It was just one egg among hundreds/thousands.

Also, God no. The alien in the first film is the purest breed of alien. From an artistic perspective if nothing else. Hand made by Giger. No freaking way does it need a back story involving genetic meddling.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 07:52:50 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 07:50:05 PM
Quote from: Jman on Feb 19, 2015, 07:34:31 PM
Maybe the Engineers experimented and tried to merge their dna or actual human dna with the Xenos, and the Kane-spawned Alien showed that particular characteristic, hence the humanoid-like skull under the 1979 Alien's dome. Maybe the stinger-like tail was a byproduct of the experiment also. Aliens subsequent to the first film didn't have those features. Could it be possible that the embryo implanted in Kane was unique? Maybe a non-related but ancient forerunner to the "newborn" of Alien Resurrection?

It certainly wasn't treated uniquely if it was. It was just one egg among hundreds/thousands.

Also, God no. The alien in the first film is the purest breed of alien. From an artistic perspective if nothing else. Hand made by Giger. No freaking way does it need a back story involving genetic meddling.

But isn't implied that the Engineers created or at least modified the Xenomorphs? if that is the case, they are already genetically meddled with.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 07:58:46 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 06:44:58 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 19, 2015, 06:26:34 PMChances are, if they pull the Hicks conspiracy theory from A:CM, they can just say WY ended up freezing Hicks in hyper sleep after using him for several years to fight Xeno infestations. That would explain his age.

Except a) people don't age in hypersleep and b) why the hell would they bother?
I know that. I guess I should've been more specific when I said "several years. " A couple of decades give or take.

And it's not that I necessarily want Hicks to be back, I'm just thinking of ways they could do it if Blomkamp is hellbent upon it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 19, 2015, 08:00:31 PM
I think everyone here should have WAY more faith in Blomkamp and his plans for this series. The dude is essentially bringing back sci-fi (specifically cyberpunk) back in a HUGE way. Hicks returning and retconning Alien3 should be the least of everyone's worries.

People that think Alien 3 is the best alien will not budge from thinking that Ripley/Hicks should not return. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this new alien will blow away everyones expectations.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: the evil pred on Feb 19, 2015, 08:02:25 PM
If they want to go with the idea that alien 3 and res was all a dream, I would be OK with that.  Even tho I am a fan of alien 3, resurrection was just painful, they could easily make it work.  In prometheus they had David go into the dreams of those in hypersleep, why not do the same with Ripley.  Just have WY try and see how far Ripley will go to exterminate the species.  They killed newt and hicks and put a queen in her.  Another scenario was that she became a part of the alien species.  You could also see it as torture.  Twice Ripley has screwed over WY.  There are ways to retain alien 3 and resurrection.  Will every alien fan like it.  No.  Me.  I already can't wait.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 08:05:39 PM
Quote from: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 19, 2015, 08:00:31 PM
I think everyone here should have WAY more faith in Blomkamp and his plans for this series. The dude is essentially bringing back sci-fi (specifically cyberpunk) back in a HUGE way. Hicks returning and retconning Alien3 should be the least of everyone's worries.

People that think Alien 3 is the best alien will not budge from thinking that Ripley/Hicks should not return. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this new alien will blow away everyones expectations.

Its not that people think Alien 3 was the best which its obviously not, its fact that the characters are dead and its set in continuity, breaking that is a serious thing, it might work out for the best, it might make things worse. Not to mention retconning Alien 3 means retconning the adaptive abilities of the Xenomorph since this film started that trend.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 08:14:24 PM
No, that starts with the first film. Scott had that idea for the creature from very early on. He said "If it had come out of the cat it would have been an alien version of the cat."

It wouldn't harm the alien in the slightest if they retconned the last two flicks.

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 08:14:48 PM
The way i see it Its ripley 8's continuation


20th Century Fox has since confirmed the news, clarifying that this is, indeed, a sequel to the original Alien franchise and not the Prometheus sequel currently set for release March 4, 2016.


source http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel#/slide/1 (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel#/slide/1)


Since Weaver wants to do ripley 8 it looks like were getting ripley 8, and going wher her story left off which also means Hicks most likely wont be returning
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 19, 2015, 08:16:17 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 08:05:39 PM
Quote from: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 19, 2015, 08:00:31 PM
I think everyone here should have WAY more faith in Blomkamp and his plans for this series. The dude is essentially bringing back sci-fi (specifically cyberpunk) back in a HUGE way. Hicks returning and retconning Alien3 should be the least of everyone's worries.

People that think Alien 3 is the best alien will not budge from thinking that Ripley/Hicks should not return. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this new alien will blow away everyones expectations.

Its not that people think Alien 3 was the best which its obviously not, its fact that the characters are dead and its set in continuity, breaking that is a serious thing, it might work out for the best, it might make things worse. Not to mention retconning Alien 3 means retconning the adaptive abilities of the Xenomorph since this film started that trend.

Continuity that ended burying the alien franchise I might add. The whole problem with continuity isn't that Alien 3 happened (as movies like the new xmen show) but that the actors are WAY too old to be the same ages they were in Aliens or even Alien3. The easiest way to retcon would be to just have them wake up like Alien 3 never happened, but thats where the hurdles lie.

The only other way is that they managed to get home, grew older, and now Ripley is again finding herself getting roped into another bad situation.

I don't think it will happen like people will think it will happen, but the appeal to grab Weaver for the sequel and her interest in it, make me think that at least Ripley is coming back from the grave.

The adaptive abilities can totally be there as well, you don't need the old cannon to make new stuff. There are all the films, EU and more that the director can take from. District 9 had some human transmogrification in it, I'm sure his new Alien will at least nod to it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:22:41 PM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 19, 2015, 08:14:48 PM
The way i see it Its ripley 8's continuation


20th Century Fox has since confirmed the news, clarifying that this is, indeed, a sequel to the original Alien franchise and not the Prometheus sequel currently set for release March 4, 2016.


source http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel#/slide/1 (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel#/slide/1)


Since Weaver wants to do ripley 8 it looks like were getting ripley 8, and going wher her story left off which also means Hicks most likely wont be returning

Of course, this was the only possible route this film could take, and the only logical one.  Still, I find it highly disturbing how many people here would even consider the idea of retconning Alien 3 and resurrection as remotely acceptable.  People are even  saying that having Ridley scott as a producer is a bad thing?  get a grip people.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Intrepid-Traveler on Feb 19, 2015, 08:25:38 PM
Quote
  Still, I find it highly disturbing how many people here would even consider the idea of retconning Alien 3 and resurrection as remotely acceptable.

Why? Alien 4 is one of the worst abominations ever, and Alien 3 (however technically good) was a snore, no one remembers it, and all it did was put the nail in the coffin for the franchise. People here are just assuming A3 is getting retconned, when they might just do a "alien sequel" that does not even mention the other previous movies.

Sigourney showed interest and is not confirmed, same with Michael Biehn.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 19, 2015, 08:30:08 PM
Itll be ok as long as they dont let what happened in alien 3s production happen and they dont let something silly like resurrections script pop out
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 08:36:43 PM

Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:22:41 PM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 19, 2015, 08:14:48 PM
The way i see it Its ripley 8's continuation


20th Century Fox has since confirmed the news, clarifying that this is, indeed, a sequel to the original Alien franchise and not the Prometheus sequel currently set for release March 4, 2016.


source http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel#/slide/1 (http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/411255-neill-blomkamp-is-officially-taking-on-an-alien-sequel#/slide/1)


Since Weaver wants to do ripley 8 it looks like were getting ripley 8, and going wher her story left off which also means Hicks most likely wont be returning

Of course, this was the only possible route this film could take, and the only logical one.  Still, I find it highly disturbing how many people here would even consider the idea of retconning Alien 3 and resurrection as remotely acceptable.  People are even  saying that having Ridley scott as a producer is a bad thing?  get a grip people.

Tbh, there isn't any firm evidence that says they'll retcon anything, Ridley's presence on this film could be disconcerting however, since he seems to care little for the franchise now and his present style seems more focused on money-making than storytelling. :(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:42:36 PM
Both Alien 3 and resurrection are highly underrated, very stylish films made by very good directors with good actors.  To say that they are far superior to the Disastrous AvP films is an understatement.  Weavers performance in those films alone elevates them far above your standard sci fi horror film. 

The real reason people continually are disappointment with those films (including Prometheus) is because they are not carbon copies of James cameron's Aliens.  But they weren't trying to be, and even if hicks comes back neither will Alien 5


Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 08:36:43 PM

Ridley's presence on this film could be disconcerting however, since he seems to care little for the franchise now and his present style seems more focused on money-making than storytelling. :(

Again with the ridley bashing.  We are lucky he is involved.  Prometheus was a breath of fresh air and gave this franchise some much needed originality. 
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 08:52:17 PM
Prometheus's Alien connection was nothing more than a cheap marketing gimmick to drag Alien fans into the picture (that's hardly originality), Ridley is really into doing these tricks now.  If Ridley wanted to discard the Alien Prequel he was working on in favor of Prometheus, he should at least tell the story with integrity rather than with marketing schemes.  The new film is promised to have no "gods and dragons" (aka engineers and aliens) in it whatsoever, you'd think that if Prometheus truly belonged in the Alien universe then there would still be some connection to keep the series going. Being without Aliens OR engineers, what else is there?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 08:52:17 PM
Prometheus's Alien connection was nothing more than a cheap marketing gimmick to drag Alien fans into the picture (that's hardly originality), Ridley is really into doing these tricks now.  If Ridley wanted to discard the Alien Prequel he was working on in favor of Prometheus, he should at least tell the story with integrity rather than with marketing schemes.  The new film is promised to have no "gods and dragons" (aka engineers and aliens) in it whatsoever, you'd think that if Prometheus truly belonged in the Alien universe then there would still be some connection to keep the series going. Being without Aliens OR engineers, what else is there?

Ridley was as upfront as humanly possible that Prometheus was not an alien Prequel but its film, set in the same universe.  I don't know how many times in interviews leading up to Prometheus's theatrical release it was said that it wasn't going to be a clear cut prequel to alien. Ridley is exploring the spacejockeys with the Prometheus films, not the aliens, and that is perfectly acceptable.

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 09:09:37 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 08:52:17 PM
Prometheus's Alien connection was nothing more than a cheap marketing gimmick to drag Alien fans into the picture (that's hardly originality), Ridley is really into doing these tricks now.  If Ridley wanted to discard the Alien Prequel he was working on in favor of Prometheus, he should at least tell the story with integrity rather than with marketing schemes.  The new film is promised to have no "gods and dragons" (aka engineers and aliens) in it whatsoever, you'd think that if Prometheus truly belonged in the Alien universe then there would still be some connection to keep the series going. Being without Aliens OR engineers, what else is there?

Ridley was as upfront as humanly possible that Prometheus was not an alien Prequel but its film, set in the same universe.  I don't know how many times in interviews leading up to Prometheus's theatrical release it was said that it wasn't going to be a clear cut prequel to alien. Ridley is exploring the spacejockeys with the Prometheus films, not the aliens, and that is perfectly acceptable.
Plus he did initially intend for it to be an actual prequel but Fox wanted him to take the Xenos out of it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 09:10:28 PM
Quote from: the evil pred on Feb 19, 2015, 08:02:25 PM
If they want to go with the idea that alien 3 and res was all a dream, I would be OK with that.  Even tho I am a fan of alien 3, resurrection was just painful, they could easily make it work.  In prometheus they had David go into the dreams of those in hypersleep, why not do the same with Ripley.  Just have WY try and see how far Ripley will go to exterminate the species.  They killed newt and hicks and put a queen in her.  Another scenario was that she became a part of the alien species.  You could also see it as torture.  Twice Ripley has screwed over WY.  There are ways to retain alien 3 and resurrection.  Will every alien fan like it.  No.  Me.  I already can't wait.

The evil pred fixes the Ripley's Nightmare issues. I love the idea of WY experimenting different scenarios; she, Hicks an Newt are the only people known to have survived an infestation. Their hands on knowledge makes them valuable insurance policies in case their latest project with the xenos goes awry. And they have previous when it comes to calling Ripley in as an expert.

We know that the filmmakers look at this site: for me, this actually gives Ripley's Nightmare resonance, a reason for it happening... And fits with the concept art.

Evil Pred, I salute you. I can't wait either.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 09:11:43 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 08:52:17 PM
Prometheus's Alien connection was nothing more than a cheap marketing gimmick to drag Alien fans into the picture (that's hardly originality), Ridley is really into doing these tricks now.  If Ridley wanted to discard the Alien Prequel he was working on in favor of Prometheus, he should at least tell the story with integrity rather than with marketing schemes.  The new film is promised to have no "gods and dragons" (aka engineers and aliens) in it whatsoever, you'd think that if Prometheus truly belonged in the Alien universe then there would still be some connection to keep the series going. Being without Aliens OR engineers, what else is there?

Ridley was as upfront as humanly possible that Prometheus was not an alien Prequel but its film, set in the same universe.  I don't know how many times in interviews leading up to Prometheus's theatrical release it was said that it wasn't going to be a clear cut prequel to alien. Ridley is exploring the spacejockeys with the Prometheus films, not the aliens, and that is perfectly acceptable.

No he isn't, didn't you read my post?  He wants no Aliens OR jockeys in the sequel, which leads one to wonder whether the introduction of either in the first film was merely a launching platform to enslave fans to a franchise that ultimately wants nothing to do with Alien whether prequel or spinoff related.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 19, 2015, 09:15:16 PM
Prometheus is connected to the franchise regardless, Predxeno. Your -- and my -- only hope is that this new film distances itself from the ideas it presented.

Most probably won't, but you never know.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: ADC on Feb 19, 2015, 09:17:06 PM
Oh wow. This has to be great news. Love Blomkamp's work. If you're going to do A5, he's an inspired choice. Fingers crossed
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 09:28:53 PM

Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 09:15:16 PM
Prometheus is connected to the franchise regardless, Predxeno. Your -- and my -- only hope is that this new film distances itself from the ideas it presented.

Most probably won't, but you never know.

Yeah, I know it's connected, I wasn't contesting that (if I did then my "all EU is canon" argument would seem really flawed and hypocritical).  Ironically enough, Prometheus is the AVPR of the series to me; I finally know how you guys feel, what it's like to dislike a film so much you want to pretend, if not outright say, it shouldn't be canon.  It doesn't feel very good to be honest. :-\
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 19, 2015, 09:41:41 PM
AvPR at least can be quickly isolated. Prometheus shakes the thematic ground on which the first film sat.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 19, 2015, 09:59:28 PM
I find Prometheus easy to isolate too.  Stylistically and the lack of actual Aliens help.  However, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't hoping this new Alien film would ignore the influence of Prometheus.

I don't want Prometheus to be any further connected to Alien.

Personally, of course.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:00:08 PM
I think there's a very nice chance it will. :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 19, 2015, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 08:05:39 PM
Not to mention retconning Alien 3 means retconning the adaptive abilities of the Xenomorph since this film started that trend.

Alien 3 didn't come up with that, Scott and Ron Shusett both mentioned it as early as 1979. It was well known among fans before the third film put it to the screen.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 10:07:24 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:57:59 PMRidley was as upfront as humanly possible that Prometheus was not an alien Prequel but its film, set in the same universe.  I don't know how many times in interviews leading up to Prometheus's theatrical release it was said that it wasn't going to be a clear cut prequel to alien. Ridley is exploring the spacejockeys with the Prometheus films, not the aliens, and that is perfectly acceptable.
No, IIRC, he originally wanted to be an Alien prequel, later he changed his mind and hired Lindelof to rewrite the script, but he said it was going to be a sequel at first and that was originally reported by many people.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 19, 2015, 10:08:42 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 19, 2015, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 08:05:39 PM
Not to mention retconning Alien 3 means retconning the adaptive abilities of the Xenomorph since this film started that trend.

Alien 3 didn't come up with that, Scott and Ron Shusett both mentioned it as early as 1979. It was well known among fans before the third film put it to the screen.

And by god I wouldn't want that feature of the Alien to be taken away.  How boring would it be if every xenomorph looked exactly the same.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 10:11:34 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 09:11:43 PM
No he isn't, didn't you read my post?  He wants no Aliens OR jockeys in the sequel, which leads one to wonder whether the introduction of either in the first film was merely a launching platform to enslave fans to a franchise that ultimately wants nothing to do with Alien whether prequel or spinoff related.

We really dont know anything about it.  Ridley says he wants to go to the Engineer's home planet and that shaw and david will be in it.  Who knows? Its way too early to pass judgment.

Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 09:41:41 PM
AvPR at least can be quickly isolated. Prometheus shakes the thematic ground on which the first film sat.

Having aliens on modern day earth is more damaging to the themes presented In the Alien films then anything else. The whole point of those films was to prevent that exact scenario.

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 10:14:17 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 10:07:24 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:57:59 PMRidley was as upfront as humanly possible that Prometheus was not an alien Prequel but its film, set in the same universe.  I don't know how many times in interviews leading up to Prometheus's theatrical release it was said that it wasn't going to be a clear cut prequel to alien. Ridley is exploring the spacejockeys with the Prometheus films, not the aliens, and that is perfectly acceptable.
No, IIRC, he originally wanted to be an Alien prequel, later he changed his mind and hired Lindelof to rewrite the script, but he said it was going to be a sequel at first and that was originally reported by many people.

Yep, the pre-rewrite script was leaked recently, it was written as a prequel... DoG reviewed it, they say it makes a lot more sense than Prometheus
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:16:03 PM
One bright side to retconning Alien 3 would be that A:CM would be retconned by association, that would make fans happy, so there is that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Cruentus on Feb 19, 2015, 10:20:18 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 10:14:17 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 10:07:24 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:57:59 PMRidley was as upfront as humanly possible that Prometheus was not an alien Prequel but its film, set in the same universe.  I don't know how many times in interviews leading up to Prometheus's theatrical release it was said that it wasn't going to be a clear cut prequel to alien. Ridley is exploring the spacejockeys with the Prometheus films, not the aliens, and that is perfectly acceptable.
No, IIRC, he originally wanted to be an Alien prequel, later he changed his mind and hired Lindelof to rewrite the script, but he said it was going to be a sequel at first and that was originally reported by many people.

Yep, the pre-rewrite script was leaked recently, it was written as a prequel... DoG reviewed it, they say it makes a lot more sense than Prometheus

I have read it,
Spoiler
it features white Xenomorphs and reveals that each cargo hold held different versions of the Xenomorphs, the main protogonist herself gets infected by a regular facehugger while Holloway was infected by a octo-facehugger, which spawned the White-Xenomorph, Beluga-morph or something./spoiler]
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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 19, 2015, 10:20:55 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:16:03 PM
One bright side to retconning Alien 3 would be that A:CM would be retconned by association, that would make fans happy, so there is that.

So you're saying that Neil Blomkamp's Alien film will make Aliens: Colonial Marines a better game?

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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:22:47 PM

Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 19, 2015, 10:20:55 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:16:03 PM
One bright side to retconning Alien 3 would be that A:CM would be retconned by association, that would make fans happy, so there is that.

So you're saying that Neil Blomkamp's Alien film will make Aliens: Colonial Marines a better game?

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Better, it would make A:CM a nonexistent game. ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 10:25:14 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 19, 2015, 10:14:17 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 10:07:24 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:57:59 PMRidley was as upfront as humanly possible that Prometheus was not an alien Prequel but its film, set in the same universe.  I don't know how many times in interviews leading up to Prometheus's theatrical release it was said that it wasn't going to be a clear cut prequel to alien. Ridley is exploring the spacejockeys with the Prometheus films, not the aliens, and that is perfectly acceptable.
No, IIRC, he originally wanted to be an Alien prequel, later he changed his mind and hired Lindelof to rewrite the script, but he said it was going to be a sequel at first and that was originally reported by many people.

Yep, the pre-rewrite script was leaked recently, it was written as a prequel... DoG reviewed it, they say it makes a lot more sense than Prometheus
And Alien: Engineers was arguibly better than Prometheus's final script. A lot cheesier, but in my opinion, better done.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 19, 2015, 10:28:50 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 08:42:36 PM
Both Alien 3 and resurrection are highly underrated, very stylish films made by very good directors with good actors.  To say that they are far superior to the Disastrous AvP films is an understatement.  Weavers performance in those films alone elevates them far above your standard sci fi horror film. 

The real reason people continually are disappointment with those films (including Prometheus) is because they are not carbon copies of James cameron's Aliens.  But they weren't trying to be, and even if hicks comes back neither will Alien 5


Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 08:36:43 PM

Ridley's presence on this film could be disconcerting however, since he seems to care little for the franchise now and his present style seems more focused on money-making than storytelling. :(

Again with the ridley bashing.  We are lucky he is involved.  Prometheus was a breath of fresh air and gave this franchise some much needed originality.


This guy, he gets it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 19, 2015, 10:38:14 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:16:03 PM
One bright side to retconning Alien 3 would be that A:CM would be retconned by association, that would make fans happy, so there is that.

As true as that is... Who takes A:CM seriously as canon anyway?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 19, 2015, 10:40:03 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 10:11:34 PM
Having aliens on modern day earth is more damaging to the themes presented In the Alien films then anything else.
Absolutely not. The themes of the fear of the unknown and the distant, and the utter vastity of the universe were absolutely at the core of Alien. Prometheus had no respect for that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:40:20 PM
Meh, I wouldn't know about seriously taking A:CM canon but Hicks is alive in my personal canon. :P Then again so are Apone and Drake, but that's a different matter entirely.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ash 937 on Feb 19, 2015, 10:42:58 PM
They should just retcon Alien3 and make it so Hick and (half of) Bishop crash land on Fury 161.  Ripley and Newt can both die.  At the end of the movie Bishop meets his father.

J/K...

I think the idea that we can assume what to expect out of Blomkamp's sequel will remain to be seen.  Concept art doesn't always match the final product of the film.  Instead, they are often used as pitching point for an idea that typically evolves with the movie making process.

Hell, we don't even know what Prometheus 2 is going to be about and that film is suppose to tie/lead into Alien 5 somehow.  One speculative storyline is as good as anyone else's at this point.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 10:48:09 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 10:40:03 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 10:11:34 PM
Having aliens on modern day earth is more damaging to the themes presented In the Alien films then anything else.
Absolutely not. The themes of the fear of the unknown and the distant, and the utter vastity of the universe were absolutely at the core of Alien. Prometheus had no respect for that.

Wait, what? How did Prometheus not have those themes present? The whole point of their expedition was to find what was, in their mind, their benevolent creators.  Instead they find out that their creators were creating genetic monstrosities and bioweapons intent on the destruction of the human race. They find out that the universe is a much darker place then they thought. Themes of fear and insignificance seem to fall well within that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 19, 2015, 10:54:56 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 10:48:09 PM
Wait, what? How did Prometheus not have those themes present?
I started writing an enormous response to this, but then realized I already have (https://monsterlegacy.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/from-beyond-the-stars-alien-vs-prometheus/).
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 19, 2015, 10:57:12 PM
Holy Shit, that is an ENORMOUS response.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 11:02:21 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 10:54:56 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 10:48:09 PM
Wait, what? How did Prometheus not have those themes present?
I started writing an enormous response to this, but then realized I already have (https://monsterlegacy.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/from-beyond-the-stars-alien-vs-prometheus/).

...I don't even

Its just too much to unpack.  :o

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Ultimate Predator on Feb 19, 2015, 11:06:25 PM
As much as I love A3, really not that bothered with retconning it. A3 felt like it was retconning Aliens in a way; technically it didn't but ditching hicks and newt kind of felt like giving up what was setup in Aliens. But none of its a problem in my opinions. Different spin-offs, imaginings, reboots etc, all that matters to me is if its a good film. I'm really pumped most of all in the prospect of bringing back Hicks  :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 19, 2015, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 11:02:21 PM
...I don't even

Its just too much to unpack.  :o
Long story short:

Quote[...]
[According to Alien,] in the deepest corner of space, what humanity finds are unknown entities from other worlds.

[...]

[According to Prometheus,] in the deepest corner of space, what humanity finds is itself.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 11:24:44 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 11:02:21 PM
...I don't even

Its just too much to unpack.  :o
Long story short:

Quote[...]
[According to Alien,] in the deepest corner of space, what humanity finds are unknown entities from other worlds.

[...]

[According to Prometheus,] in the deepest corner of space, what humanity finds is itself.

Thank you for the TL;DR version. 

Edit*

I'm skimming it and I like how well its thought out and written.  I mean, I still think the AvP films hurt the franchise far worse then any perceived damage Prometheus did, but credit where credit is due man. Impressive.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 11:30:00 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 11:11:41 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 11:02:21 PM
...I don't even

Its just too much to unpack.  :o
Long story short:

Quote[...]
[According to Alien,] in the deepest corner of space, what humanity finds are unknown entities from other worlds.

[...]

[According to Prometheus,] in the deepest corner of space, what humanity finds is itself.

Inhumanity in other words. Fits with  A L I E N  then.

Honestly, Scott's involvement is the only positive aspect I can see in this Alien5 project at the moment. If opinion can be made on all that's currently available - the concept art - well, it's all manner of confused. Has the whiff of fanfic nonsense all over it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 19, 2015, 11:32:06 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 11:30:00 PM
Inhumanity in other words. Fits with  A L I E N  then.
If humanity finds itself, the word is 'humanity'. Not fitting. Alien didn't say that in 1979, but Prometheus turned tables completely -- something that retroactively influenced the first film, too.

Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 11:24:44 PM
I'm skimming it and I like how well its thought out and written.  I mean, I still think the AvP films hurt the franchise far worse then any perceived damage Prometheus did, but credit where credit is due man. Impressive.
Thank you. :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 19, 2015, 11:33:26 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 10:54:56 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 19, 2015, 10:48:09 PM
Wait, what? How did Prometheus not have those themes present?
I started writing an enormous response to this, but then realized I already have (https://monsterlegacy.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/from-beyond-the-stars-alien-vs-prometheus/).

I like this thought:

QuoteThe new concept can be interpreted in an array of ways: we have the faces of men, but carry the exterior masks of monsters; the exterior 'monstrous' suit could also refer to the fact we are not able to recognize ourselves, or the fact that we are the monsters — the appearence of the suits would then reflect our real nature.

But I agree, the Space Jockey as an unknown and incomprehensible entity (a la Lovecraf) is far better.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 19, 2015, 11:34:18 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 11:30:00 PMall that's currently available - the concept art - well, it's all manner of confused. Has the whiff of fanfic nonsense all over it.
Like X-Men Days of Future Past?


I wouldn't dismiss this as "fanficky" because the original idea was never to have Ripley and Hicks to die. Even James Cameron and Ridley Scott that was a terrible decision and a "slap to the face". A retcon would be necessary to return to their intended route.

Because seriously, whatever composite writer that created Alien 3 did, it didn't honor at all the series, and it's not me who is saying it, but also the creators of Alien and Aliens.

Alien 3 is nothing but an spurious child that occupied a place never belonged to it. It should be exterminated and vanished forever.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SuperM on Feb 19, 2015, 11:58:20 PM
I would like to see a film about Robert Morse, who is serving as a creative consultant on a movie based on the best seller he penned after leaving Fury151 titled 'I Don't f**king Believe It Either', which he insists has nothing to do with butter.

The film (within the film) opens with an EEV containing Nicks, Hoot, Bashup and Ridley falling towards a prison planet and loosely recreates the events of Alien 3. The film is secretly financed by Weyland Yutani and is made deliberately bad to discredit Morse, however it is still superior to AVP: Requiem. Fans become obsessed with the characters of Nicks and Hoot and demand sequels. The unexpected success of the movie is frustrating for Weyland Yutani, who tried their hardest to make a terrible movie... but it somehow is a total box office success. A Michael Bay joke is used here. Morse also despises the movie, as sequences shot behind his back show him to be a idiotic, violent, cursing moron who is largely useless and only escapes out of sheer luck. The director insists the portrayal is accurate.

Morse writes another book entitled 'I Still Don't f**king Believe It' and is haunted in his dreams by the alien, which is now one of the most iconic images in the world. Everywhere he goes, he sees xeno dolls, toys, action figures. The beast is everywhere. His crusade to expose Weyland Yutani has failed. He overdoses and dies.

The final scene shows Morse's death on a cinema screen, and as the camera pulls back we see 'Hicks' smoking a cigar, watching the credits roll. 'What a f**king load of shit' he says, as the film fades out.


Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: TheSulaco426 on Feb 20, 2015, 12:01:12 AM
I think this sounds great, Neil sure does know how to use special effects effectively, and I thought District 9 was a very good film. I am curious if the film will be anything like the concept art which looks fantastic but only time will tell.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 12:05:47 AM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 19, 2015, 11:32:06 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 19, 2015, 11:30:00 PM
Inhumanity in other words. Fits with  A L I E N  then.
If humanity finds itself, the word is 'humanity'. Not fitting. Alien didn't say that in 1979, but Prometheus turned tables completely -- something that retroactively influenced the first film, too.


Ok, but I don't see it that way. What the humans found in Prometheus was that their perceived Gods were 'mortal after all', and worse, they were inhumane. I don't see that it influences Alien at all.

In fact I respect the fact that Prometheus opens up the story whilst allowing other concepts like Cameron's hive/queen structure to co-exist as one of the more mundane routes that the originally much more bizarre life cycle could take.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 20, 2015, 12:11:55 AM
It does change Alien on a thematic level -- as already elaborated.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 20, 2015, 12:16:45 AM
I don't know what to post, except...

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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: razeak on Feb 20, 2015, 02:36:31 AM
I think it's pretty much confirmed Alien 3 and A:R are safe at this point if the news turns out to be accurate and I think the series is better for it.

On the flip side, I would have still bought a ticket either way.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 20, 2015, 03:04:25 AM
Whether or not they choose to ignore 3 and AR (and I think in an age where both DC Comics and Sony are rapidly rebooting their superhero properties and Fox is struggling to retcon their way out of their early, messy X-Men films, that's very possible), there is beyond zero chance that they will ever acknowledge the ACM video game as canon. That's the kind of fannish thinking that polluted the Star Wars fandom, thinking all those f**king awful books would be acknowledged for Episode VII. It will never happen. All that crap means nothing.

I think it would be a mistake to go on from Aliens and ignore the other sequels, because unfortunately what's done is done. But I think it stands a good chance of happening with this film. Nostalgia is king these days, 'remixing' and 'rebooting' unpopular history is in. The new Terminator film, which looks hilariously awful, is making a bold attempt to undo their last two terrible sequels by adding even more crazy shit on top of the existing mess. And I frankly don't find Neill Blomkamp to be very deep. He made a wonderful allegorical shoot-'em-up about refugees vs. Evil Corporations, and then he made another one with stars which was absolutely terrible and almost ankle-deep. Chappie looks like something very similar. And his designs look like the same thing: Ripley and Hicks play chaos agents in the beautiful secluded corporate palace of Weyland-Yutani! Pew pew! Time to get into my Engineer exosuit and wreck shop!

I mean, it might be a fun ride but a brlliant movie which deeply explores the interconnections of alien life and the darkness of the unknown... I am not seeing that here thus far.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 03:28:03 AM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 20, 2015, 12:11:55 AM
It does change Alien on a thematic level -- as already elaborated.

Not so much since the rape and mother - son relation was still very present in prometheus as in ALIEN.
It for sure isn't a take on heidegger phisolophy like Terrence Malick but it remained very much in the same vibe than the original.
It just failed at almost everything. The good thing Ridley has compared to Blomkamp even nowadays with his latest stupid movies is that the guy has an eye for photography and knows the power of editing while these two domains seems to be a complete unknown to blomkamp too focus on the cosmetic nature of over-amplifying things with fancy FX and sounds.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 03:29:57 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 20, 2015, 03:04:25 AM
I mean, it might be a fun ride but a brlliant movie which deeply explores the interconnections of alien life and the darkness of the unknown... I am not seeing that here thus far.

Frankly I think we've had enough lofty-aimed failures in this franchise. Alien 3, Alien Resurrection, and Prometheus.

A back to basic action-horror with some good character? Infinitely more palatable than "WHAT IT MEANS TO BE HUMAN IN THIS DARK AND UNFORGIVING UNIVERSE" writ large and erratically.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 20, 2015, 03:35:52 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 03:29:57 AM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 20, 2015, 03:04:25 AM
I mean, it might be a fun ride but a brlliant movie which deeply explores the interconnections of alien life and the darkness of the unknown... I am not seeing that here thus far.

Frankly I think we've had enough lofty-aimed failures in this franchise. Alien Resurrection and Prometheus.
Fixed ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: razeak on Feb 20, 2015, 03:44:43 AM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Feb 19, 2015, 11:01:15 AM


QuoteAmanda Ripley maybe.

Eh... The way that character was portrayed, was fine. The reason for her existence, however, still has yet to be reconciled with an explanation. :)


Well first, a mommy and daddy fall in love.... I really don't see her existence as being an issue.

Okay, so heart attack moment for Team Retcon. Alien 5 opens up with the Sulaco....and there is an egg and Hicks still dies. hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha to infinity.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 03:45:26 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/)

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Not only will Scott be producing but it's being said that Blomkamp's unnamed Alien film will take place directly following the events of Prometheus 2, which Scott is currently working on. The first Prometheus was loosely tied to the Alien franchise, and it looks like that connection will soon become stronger than ever.
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Damn the f**k. >:(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:15:31 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/)

So Alien V is going to be the Alien prequel then? Well... Know what.. I'm just not gonna pay attention to the news until it's all confirmed. As long as it doesn't retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection... I'm fine. I don't care.

At this point, keep me posted on the Shane Black Predator movie guys.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 04:16:31 AM
...Aw man.  :-[
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 20, 2015, 04:22:07 AM
Alien 3 is safe for now which makes me happy, but at this point who knows what could happen.. Prometheus was gunna be alien now Prometheus 2 will lead into AlienP(prequel?)

I..I dont know what to think anymore
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:26:23 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 04:22:07 AM
Alien 3 is safe for now which makes me happy

I am glad that Alien 3 is safe! But right now hearing that it's gonna be sort of a tie into Prometheus just leaves me with a sense of just not caring anymore. I mean.. Okay.. I LIKED Prometheus when it was released, and my opinion of it changed but right now I'm just like... Whatever, you know? If this is going to be an Alien movie it HAS to be the LAST one..
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 04:27:43 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:15:31 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/)

So Alien V is going to be the Alien prequel then? Well... Know what.. I'm just not gonna pay attention to the news until it's all confirmed. As long as it doesn't retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection... I'm fine. I don't care.

At this point, keep me posted on the Shane Black Predator movie guys.

This is what I read earlier on comicbookmoveie but it was shot down on here. I'll say again P2 introduces the Alien the Blomkamp's P3 links to Alien and is probably a fully fledged Alien film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:31:59 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 04:27:43 AM
This is what I read earlier on comicbookmoveie but it was shot down on here. I'll say again P2 introduces the Alien the Blomkamp's P3 links to Alien and is probably a fully fledged Alien film.

I'm not taking anything until the finer details are clarified and confirmed.

Right now everything is in development hell.. We're not even in production, so at this point.. Call me when details are released.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DaddyYautja on Feb 20, 2015, 04:33:34 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 04:27:43 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:15:31 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/)

So Alien V is going to be the Alien prequel then? Well... Know what.. I'm just not gonna pay attention to the news until it's all confirmed. As long as it doesn't retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection... I'm fine. I don't care.

At this point, keep me posted on the Shane Black Predator movie guys.

This is what I read earlier on comicbookmoveie but it was shot down on here. I'll say again P2 introduces the Alien the Blomkamp's P3 links to Alien and is probably a fully fledged Alien film.

OMG tied to prom? Do not care about this film at all now.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 20, 2015, 04:49:59 AM
I liekd prometheous but the way fire ans tone tied in felt super messy and poorly written, i hope that its connected by explaining how lv426 derelict  got there or something ..
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 05:04:59 AM
Can we get this settled? Confirm or debunk this claim?

What do they mean it's set directly after Prometheus 2? Do they mean it's going to be filmed after Prometheus 2 or is it chronologically in universe being set after Prometheus 2? So much confusion!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 20, 2015, 05:06:22 AM
im thinking both. which means we probably wont see it till 2020
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 20, 2015, 05:08:19 AM
For what we know, Prometheus 2 might take place in the future, you know, lightspeed travel, relativity... I wouldn't be surprised if we get to see Ripley and Shaw sharing screen.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 20, 2015, 05:10:36 AM
Weare following shaw and david, unless engineers have time travel (i hope they dont) we wont be seeing them with ripley 8
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 20, 2015, 05:14:12 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 05:10:36 AM
Weare following shaw and david, unless engineers have time travel (i hope they dont) we wont be seeing them with ripley 8
But this will still be an Alien movie, not Prometheus³.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 20, 2015, 05:24:48 AM
remember when Prometheus was supposed to be an alien prequel?


HOPEFULLY they keep it alien i just wonder how Aliens(s) it will stay
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: iiiUMFiii on Feb 20, 2015, 05:25:07 AM
This is good. Really good. They take so long to process these sequels I am surprised I lived to ever see an avp film ::)  ::)

So quit all yer bishin and harsh comments "tell dat bish to be cool" 8)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HappyAlien on Feb 20, 2015, 06:35:42 AM
So is it going to be Alien 5 set after AliensR or Aliens? Or is it set right after Prometheus 2 but before Alien making it an Alien prequel and not really Alien 5.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:38:03 AM
Quote from: HappyAlien on Feb 20, 2015, 06:35:42 AM
So is it going to be Alien 5 set after AliensR or Aliens? Or is it set right after Prometheus 2 but before Alien making it an Alien prequel and not really Alien 5.

Rumor has it that it's set directly after Prometheus 2. Whatever that means it either could mean it's set to film after Prometheus 2, or it's chronologically set after Prometheus 2 and is an Alien prequel or sequel.
Title: Neill Blomkamp’s Alien 5............why?
Post by: Junglist on Feb 20, 2015, 06:45:58 AM
Am I the only one that's upset about this?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 06:50:38 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 04:27:43 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:15:31 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/)

So Alien V is going to be the Alien prequel then? Well... Know what.. I'm just not gonna pay attention to the news until it's all confirmed. As long as it doesn't retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection... I'm fine. I don't care.

At this point, keep me posted on the Shane Black Predator movie guys.

This is what I read earlier on comicbookmoveie but it was shot down on here. I'll say again P2 introduces the Alien the Blomkamp's P3 links to Alien and is probably a fully fledged Alien film.

Where did they say that?  I heard we'll be getting an Alien that isn't connected to Alien (or something), sounds rather contradictory to me but I don't think we'll be seeing an "Alien". :-\
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SuicideDoors on Feb 20, 2015, 06:54:22 AM
I think it's a given it's going to star Sigourney Weaver so I wouldn't worry about the Prometheus links too much.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 06:57:19 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 06:50:38 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 04:27:43 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:15:31 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/)

So Alien V is going to be the Alien prequel then? Well... Know what.. I'm just not gonna pay attention to the news until it's all confirmed. As long as it doesn't retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection... I'm fine. I don't care.

At this point, keep me posted on the Shane Black Predator movie guys.

This is what I read earlier on comicbookmoveie but it was shot down on here. I'll say again P2 introduces the Alien the Blomkamp's P3 links to Alien and is probably a fully fledged Alien film.

Where did they say that?  I heard we'll be getting an Alien that isn't connected to Alien (or something), sounds rather contradictory to me but I don't think we'll be seeing an "Alien". :-\

It's all rumour and conjecture at this point. We won't know until we're told. My guess though is that Blomkamp wants to make an Alien film. Going off the basis that it will follow chronologically on from Prometheus 2, it's possible that it will be the link between Prometheus and Alien.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Chris!(($$))! on Feb 20, 2015, 06:59:02 AM
I don't think I've ever been so excited and worried about the same thing. Even with Godzilla 2014 I felt very safe and sound as well as excited as f**k and it paid off IMO. But so much more damage has been done to the ALIEN franchise then the Godzilla franchise. Let's all use our collective wills to put this FILM on the right track.

Also as much as I like Ripley and Weaver PLEASE just let her character RIP(ley)
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp’s Alien 5............why?
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 20, 2015, 07:07:31 AM
YES

Totally thinking it is yes but nothing is ever perfect.

Then again, why not. Give me some more alienzsz now!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 20, 2015, 07:08:14 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 03:29:57 AM
A back to basic action-horror with some good character? Infinitely more palatable than "WHAT IT MEANS TO BE HUMAN IN THIS DARK AND UNFORGIVING UNIVERSE" writ large and erratically.

I was commenting on the previous posts claiming Prometheus destroyed the mystery and unknown terror. My experience with Neill Blomkamp suggests any kind of mystery or unknown terror will not be an issue.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp’s Alien 5............why?
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 07:11:54 AM
Indifferent at the moment.

If Ripley and Hicks are in it, then it's just bullshit.
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp’s Alien 5............why?
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 07:23:08 AM
Quote from: Junglist on Feb 20, 2015, 06:45:58 AM
Am I the only one that's upset about this?

Why?
Title: Re: Neill Blomkamp’s Alien 5............why?
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 20, 2015, 07:28:48 AM
I've been waiting for a movie for so long I don't even care what the hell happens anymore. Just happy that it appears to be in the making.  :laugh:

However, seriously, why should anyone be upset over another alien movie?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:31:36 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 06:57:19 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 06:50:38 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 04:27:43 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:15:31 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/)

So Alien V is going to be the Alien prequel then? Well... Know what.. I'm just not gonna pay attention to the news until it's all confirmed. As long as it doesn't retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection... I'm fine. I don't care.

At this point, keep me posted on the Shane Black Predator movie guys.

This is what I read earlier on comicbookmoveie but it was shot down on here. I'll say again P2 introduces the Alien the Blomkamp's P3 links to Alien and is probably a fully fledged Alien film.

Where did they say that?  I heard we'll be getting an Alien that isn't connected to Alien (or something), sounds rather contradictory to me but I don't think we'll be seeing an "Alien". :-\

It's all rumour and conjecture at this point. We won't know until we're told. My guess though is that Blomkamp wants to make an Alien film. Going off the basis that it will follow chronologically on from Prometheus 2, it's possible that it will be the link between Prometheus and Alien.

I hope they stay away from Prometheus, Alien really does need a fresh start; a LOT of people on the web hate Prometheus (some probably as much as the AVP films), if Fox is too chicken to reference the AVP films in any of their future stories then it seems quite illogical to do something similar with Prometheus given its standing in the fan community.  Considering the fact that this is the first Alien movie in a long time, something that all of us seriously thought may never happen, if this movie ends up blowing then it really would be the final nail in the coffin.  I think it's too risky too reference any controversial works if we want this film to be a success.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 20, 2015, 07:34:19 AM
I just watched District 9 for the first time... and I kind of want to xenos fight a mech. :laugh: Seriously, though, I have a bit of faith in Blomkamp now.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 07:39:28 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 20, 2015, 07:34:19 AM
I just watched District 9 for the first time... and I kind of want to xenos fight a mech. :laugh: Seriously, though, I have a bit of faith in Blomkamp now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01NO-0lASUw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01NO-0lASUw#ws)

:laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 20, 2015, 07:52:13 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 07:39:28 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 20, 2015, 07:34:19 AM
I just watched District 9 for the first time... and I kind of want to xenos fight a mech. :laugh: Seriously, though, I have a bit of faith in Blomkamp now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01NO-0lASUw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01NO-0lASUw#ws)

:laugh:

Okay, I derped a bit there. :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2015, 08:17:40 AM
Quote from: Nazrel on Feb 20, 2015, 03:41:50 AM
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/ (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/90478/ridley-scott-producing-neill-blomkamps-alien-film-tied-prometheus/)

They're not providing a source...

I still think it's conjecture. Nothing more.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 09:17:27 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 20, 2015, 07:34:19 AMI just watched District 9 for the first time... and I kind of want to xenos fight a mech. :laugh: Seriously, though, I have a bit of faith in Blomkamp now.

Derping aside... :) District 9 freaking rocks. My favourite movie of the last decade.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: szkoki on Feb 20, 2015, 09:37:19 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 19, 2015, 10:56:04 AM
Biehn is too old to play Hicks now if you ask me. And I don't really wanna see the role recast.

Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 19, 2015, 10:50:41 AMAnd Weaver wanted Ripley to die in Alien 3. Things change. :)

Ripley did die in Alien 3. She wasn't Ripley any more when she came back.

yeah i also thought about that but khmmm

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i totally forget about this
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 20, 2015, 10:54:19 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2015, 08:17:40 AM

They're not providing a source...

I still think it's conjecture. Nothing more.
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This ^

QuoteNot only will Scott be producing but it's being said that Blomkamp's unnamed Alien film will take place directly following the events of Prometheus 2, which Scott is currently working on. The first Prometheus was loosely tied to the Alien franchise, and it looks like that connection will soon become stronger than ever.

"It's being said..." is not that reliable a source. It's being said on AvP Galaxy that its a retcon that happens after A:R, that stars Sigourney Weaver, Ripley is dead, Hicks and Newt are alive (and dead) and Amanda Ripley's the main character.

Not at the same time, though.

They may as well have said "sources close to Blomkamp have confirmed..."

On the other hand, it did make me panic a bit.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: robbritton on Feb 20, 2015, 11:18:13 AM
Thing is, it can follow directly THEMATICALLY from Prometheus 2 but still take place chronologically after Alien Resurrection, or Aliens, or wherever they're putting it. No-one knows anything yet, don't worry about it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 11:45:27 AM
Considering Scott has repeatedly stated the Prometheus sequel will have less to do with Alien, not more, I'm inclined to dismiss that statement as BS.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: JPredator on Feb 20, 2015, 11:51:44 AM
Wow, ive got to say that for the first time i am open to alien 3 and 4 being ripleys nightmare based on the idea someone in this topic came up with. Sorry i read it and went to reply so fast i didnt catch the name of the poster.

Prometheus showed us the company has the ability to look into peoples dreams so what if the company simply intercepted the sulaco and has been running simulations on Ripley to test the aliens resourcefulness based on ripleys real experiences.

thats one way that ties the alien films to prometheus and makes sense in terms of alien 3 and 4 existing but also alowing hicks and newt to be alive.

thats the first idea ive heard that i think would be acceptable if the film makers insist on having hicks and newt alive it it being a sequel to aliens.

kudos to whoever came up with that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 20, 2015, 12:14:35 PM
it was a guest called "The Evil Pred" - I'm in agreement, its a brilliant scenario, one that fits the 'vers and and the nature of WeyYu
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 12:17:53 PM
Really? Because I think it's an awful, incredibly cheap idea.

If they have to undo the third and fourth films, I'd honestly rather they just wrote them off completely than do something silly like that. I was taught in primary school that "It was all a dream" is among the weakest narrative devices.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 20, 2015, 12:54:22 PM
Hudafuk has a good point but I'm split on the idea.  "It was all a bad dream" is a terrible literary device, but in the case of Ripley it was established in 86 that she has terrible dreams and can't sleep.  A dream that Newt dies is entirely plausible.  A dream that WY or USCMC betrays her and clones her is also plausible.  If ever the dream angle made sense, it is here.  It could be a way to fix the damage caused by A3 and AR without retconning those films entirely.  I do really like Alien 3 so if done cleverly, this could make sense.  It would all have to be about the execution...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 20, 2015, 01:04:07 PM
HuDa's vehemently anti any "nightmare" scenario, I think - the one postulated by The Evil Pred is solid as far as I'm concerned. We'll probably find out that the Evil Pred is Neill Blomkamp in disguise and is testing the water *lol*
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2015, 01:06:44 PM
It completely works - especially after Prometheus. It's just cheap.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 20, 2015, 01:12:59 PM
Waking up in bed screaming and having an adult Newt come over an ask "if the dreams are getting worse again" is cheap. Evil Pred's notion isn't cheap in that its the best and most fitting retcon idea I've read on here (in my view only, all the others are equally fine, this is just my favourite one because it actually works with what we know to be "true" of both Hypersleep and how Wey-Yu operate.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2015, 01:29:22 PM
It's still cheap. Regardless of execution, "it was all a dream" will always be a cheap story device.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 01:38:18 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2015, 01:29:22 PMIt's still cheap. Regardless of execution, "it was all a dream" will always be a cheap story device.

Exactly.

If they're going to write off the later films - and I'd very much rather they didn't - but if that's what they decide to do, better to just ignore them totally and start over from the end of Aliens.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: szkoki on Feb 20, 2015, 01:39:44 PM
2 movies as dreams :D okay

Rather time travel. BTW the Hicks and Ripley  concept art doesnt mean they will be in the movie. Lets wait it out what Fox approves and Riddley approves -if he is really included- as script.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 01:45:57 PM
No dreams.

No time travel.

No splinter universe/timeline.

If they're going to ignore something, just flat out ignore it. Simple.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 20, 2015, 01:47:17 PM
Exactly. You guys are overthinking this aspect.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 20, 2015, 02:07:57 PM
Its you guys who are dreaming.  Weaver, Ridley Scott, Blomkamp, and especially fox aren't going to ignore the last two films just to appeal to a minority of butt hurt fanboys who never got over the fact that they didn't get more marines vs Aliens action in the later sequels.

Go ask the Strause bros to come back if you want lazy and cheap idea's like dream sequences in this new alien movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 20, 2015, 02:15:19 PM
Quote from: SuperM on Feb 19, 2015, 11:58:20 PM
I would like to see a film about Robert Morse, who is serving as a creative consultant on a movie based on the best seller he penned after leaving Fury151 titled 'I Don't f**king Believe It Either', which he insists has nothing to do with butter.

The film (within the film) opens with an EEV containing Nicks, Hoot, Bashup and Ridley falling towards a prison planet and loosely recreates the events of Alien 3. The film is secretly financed by Weyland Yutani and is made deliberately bad to discredit Morse, however it is still superior to AVP: Requiem. Fans become obsessed with the characters of Nicks and Hoot and demand sequels. The unexpected success of the movie is frustrating for Weyland Yutani, who tried their hardest to make a terrible movie... but it somehow is a total box office success. A Michael Bay joke is used here. Morse also despises the movie, as sequences shot behind his back show him to be a idiotic, violent, cursing moron who is largely useless and only escapes out of sheer luck. The director insists the portrayal is accurate.

Morse writes another book entitled 'I Still Don't f**king Believe It' and is haunted in his dreams by the alien, which is now one of the most iconic images in the world. Everywhere he goes, he sees xeno dolls, toys, action figures. The beast is everywhere. His crusade to expose Weyland Yutani has failed. He overdoses and dies.

The final scene shows Morse's death on a cinema screen, and as the camera pulls back we see 'Hicks' smoking a cigar, watching the credits roll. 'What a f**king load of shit' he says, as the film fades out.

That you SM?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 02:50:58 PM
I noticed that people were arguing about this movie's placement in the chronology for the past few pages.

We don't have much to speculate from, but I'd take the official Fox statement to be the clearest, and with it being the newest development, probably the closest to the truth.

A SEQUEL to the ALIEN FRANCHISE. Not to the Prometheus franchise. Not a prequel to the Alien franchise. All other "reports" are probably unsubstantiated. It's very early for all this information to be leaking.

And I guess this movie will be a Prometheus 2 sequel by proxy, but the Fox statement makes it sound like it's directly a sequel to the Alien franchise.

I don't understand why people are bothered by the prospect of Prometheus and Alien being even more interconnected. Maybe in some ways, yes, Prometheus shook the thematic ground of the series. But I still think they compliment each other. Even with whatever flaws Prometheus may have

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 02:58:59 PM
I liked Prometheus for what it was, even though the second half was an absolute mess (full of shoddy editing/pacing and gaping plot holes--I always point to the C-Section sequence as an example. A terrific scene, bookended by two of the absolute dumbest moments in the film that almost completely take me out of the film. Oh, Shaw just ran off to go abort her alien baby. Let's just let her do her thing IN WEYLAND'S MED POD, no harm no foul. We'll just use the time to wake up Weyland WHO IS TOTALLY ON THE VERGE OF DEATH AND MIGHT NEED THAT MED POD UPON WAKING UP. Oh, and we won't bother seeing if the alien baby survived or not. Or studying it. Or anything.).

I liked the Engineers, but as their own thing. I wish that they weren't the Space Jockies, that they weren't human. Prometheus did rupture the thematic ground on which Alien stood. It did it with extremely interesting ideas, things that I still would like to see further explored, but I would have preferred it done another step removed from the world of Alien. Incomprehensible cosmic horrors, by very definition, shouldn't have to be relatable, let alone human.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 03:18:09 PM
If this film will be a sequel, they by default Hicks can't be in it so we might as well stop hoping.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 03:22:41 PM
It could easily be a sequel to Aliens though. Only time will tell, really.

At this point I really don't care. Just curious to see what Blomkamp does with the film in general. While I'd prefer if Alien 3 stayed intact, like Val said it's not like that film didn't mess with continuity in its own ways (lol egg magically tucked away on the ship), and fans still get behind it. 

And even if this film does, for lack of a better term, "overwrite" Alien 3, it's not like it's going to go anywhere. I--and everyone else--can still watch and enjoy it on its own. At the end of the day, all these are is movies. Heavy continuity is cool if you're into that sort of thing, but for me a lot of the fun and intrigue of the Alien series has been seeing new filmmakers come in and put their own stamp on it. Each film has its own identity, and to see the franchise go in yet another new direction under new vision will hopefully make for another interesting experience.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 20, 2015, 03:32:02 PM
Now I'm wondering who Copley will play. Mocap on Alien queen, maybe? :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 03:33:06 PM
Hurry up and watch Elysium mang. I want to hear your thoughts on Kruger. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 20, 2015, 03:45:49 PM
Hope Blomkamp eventually gets around to doing that Kruger GTA style spinoff he talked about. Just one big epic heist movie!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 03:54:16 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 03:33:06 PMHurry up and watch Elysium mang. I want to hear your thoughts on Kruger. :P

"Pull it out! It's just a flesh wound, Butch!" *BOOM*
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 20, 2015, 04:02:47 PM
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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: gabgrave on Feb 20, 2015, 04:04:02 PM
Actually, considering Blomkamp has this thing for powered armor, what do you think are the odds of seeing ALICE verses Alien Horde and Queen in the film? Either that or the Berserker Armor, or something along the lines of the XM-550 CHAS Unit?
I've always been in awe of CHAS. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z22BJbx-HJc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z22BJbx-HJc#)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:09:58 PM
Quote from: gabgrave on Feb 20, 2015, 04:04:02 PM
Actually, considering Blomkamp has this thing for powered armor, what do you think are the odds of seeing ALICE verses Alien Horde and Queen in the film? Either that or the Berserker Armor, or something long the lines of the XM-550 CHAS Unit?

Doubtful as far as seeing ALICE or the Berserker MAX Armor is concerned. Blomkamp isn't necessarily beholding to the EU, let alone the old EU whatsoever.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2015, 04:12:41 PM
I could easily see him using some form of exo-armor. His concept art would suggest he's got an interest in using the Engineer exosuits.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: gabgrave on Feb 20, 2015, 04:13:17 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:09:58 PM
Doubtful as far as seeing ALICE or the Berserker MAX Armor is concerned. Blomkamp isn't necessarily beholding to the EU, let alone the old EU whatsoever.
It doesn't have to be them specifically, but something along the same lines. Essentially the powerloader fight with lots of guns, Micheal Bay explosions and JJ Abrams lens flares, and a ton of aliens on screen.


Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 20, 2015, 04:12:41 PM
I could easily see him using some form of exo-armor. His concept art would suggest he's got an interest in using the Engineer exosuits.
Those look kinda skintight though. Unless they have something along the size of the original Space Jockey.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Its Auto on Feb 20, 2015, 04:16:28 PM
I actually take Colonial Marines as canon in the sense that we know the events happen, but not exactly as portrayed in the game.. I think of the game in a similar fashion to 'Alien Trilogy' - Ripley did face her nightmares on LV-426, she did end up in a maximum security prison.. Just not how we played it in the game.. Colonial Marines happened, we know the Sephora was dispatched to LV-426, as it is also mentioned in Aliens: Infestation.. We just havent seen how these events 'really happened' yet ;-) (my personal take)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:19:55 PM
Quote from: gabgrave on Feb 20, 2015, 04:13:17 PM
It doesn't have to be them specifically, but something along the same lines. Essentially the powerloader fight with lots of guns, Micheal Bay explosions and JJ Abrams lens flares, and a ton of aliens on screen.

I could see Blomkamp going the District 9 route and using a mech similar to that but when you put it in the way with the mention of Bay explosions and Abrams lens flares... Makes me thing cautiously about that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: gabgrave on Feb 20, 2015, 04:23:55 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 04:19:55 PM
I could see Blomkamp going the District 9 route and using a mech similar to that but when you put it in the way with the mention of Bay explosions and Abrams lens flares... Makes me thing cautiously about that.
That was a joke, no one in their right mind really wants a Titanic super 3D effect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJxj1mou03M. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJxj1mou03M.)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 20, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 02:50:58 PM
I noticed that people were arguing about this movie's placement in the chronology for the past few pages.

We don't have much to speculate from, but I'd take the official Fox statement to be the clearest, and with it being the newest development, probably the closest to the truth.

A SEQUEL to the ALIEN FRANCHISE. Not to the Prometheus franchise. Not a prequel to the Alien franchise. All other "reports" are probably unsubstantiated. It's very early for all this information to be leaking.

And I guess this movie will be a Prometheus 2 sequel by proxy, but the Fox statement makes it sound like it's directly a sequel to the Alien franchise.

I don't understand why people are bothered by the prospect of Prometheus and Alien being even more interconnected. Maybe in some ways, yes, Prometheus shook the thematic ground of the series. But I still think they compliment each other. Even with whatever flaws Prometheus may have

One of the most mysterious and awesome thing of ALIEN was the derelict and the space jokey. Prometheus completely ruined it(for some of us) by turning one of the most fascinating creatures into a tall humanoid that is half the size it should be, that has created humans just to destroy them, ad that when it's raped by a giant octopus that is the son of a barren woman and a prick selfish drunk, gives birth to a laughable looking Alien. Oh, and he plays the flute too.

Besides that, no problem!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 04:59:43 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 03:22:41 PM
It could easily be a sequel to Aliens though. Only time will tell, really.

At this point I really don't care. Just curious to see what Blomkamp does with the film in general. While I'd prefer if Alien 3 stayed intact, like Val said it's not like that film didn't mess with continuity in its own ways (lol egg magically tucked away on the ship), and fans still get behind it. 

And even if this film does, for lack of a better term, "overwrite" Alien 3, it's not like it's going to go anywhere. I--and everyone else--can still watch and enjoy it on its own. At the end of the day, all these are is movies. Heavy continuity is cool if you're into that sort of thing, but for me a lot of the fun and intrigue of the Alien series has been seeing new filmmakers come in and put their own stamp on it. Each film has its own identity, and to see the franchise go in yet another new direction under new vision will hopefully make for another interesting experience.

Reading that makes me wish A3 never happened. There wouldn't be this much division if it hadn't. Come to think of it, I say overwrite A3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: reecebomb on Feb 20, 2015, 05:12:15 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 20, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 02:50:58 PM
I noticed that people were arguing about this movie's placement in the chronology for the past few pages.

We don't have much to speculate from, but I'd take the official Fox statement to be the clearest, and with it being the newest development, probably the closest to the truth.

A SEQUEL to the ALIEN FRANCHISE. Not to the Prometheus franchise. Not a prequel to the Alien franchise. All other "reports" are probably unsubstantiated. It's very early for all this information to be leaking.

And I guess this movie will be a Prometheus 2 sequel by proxy, but the Fox statement makes it sound like it's directly a sequel to the Alien franchise.

I don't understand why people are bothered by the prospect of Prometheus and Alien being even more interconnected. Maybe in some ways, yes, Prometheus shook the thematic ground of the series. But I still think they compliment each other. Even with whatever flaws Prometheus may have

One of the most mysterious and awesome thing of ALIEN was the derelict and the space jokey. Prometheus completely ruined it(for some of us) by turning one of the most fascinating creatures into a tall humanoid that is half the size it should be, that has created humans just to destroy them, ad that when it's raped by a giant octopus that is the son of a barren woman and a prick selfish drunk, gives birth to a laughable looking Alien. Oh, and he plays the flute too.

Besides that, no problem!

This. Kinda wish i could unsee the damn film. Prometheus made the Alien much less interesting and imo damaged the franchise far more than any of the AvP films or Alien Res. As stand alone feature Prometheus is quite a bit better than AvP1 and Requiem. I appreciate Prometheus as a nicely done Star Trek episode.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 05:18:01 PM
^This.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 05:20:10 PM
It's interesting to see how divided fans are when it comes to the movies. Makes me chuckle and shake my head.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 20, 2015, 05:36:31 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 05:20:10 PM
It's interesting to see how divided fans are when it comes to the movies. Makes me chuckle and shake my head.

Some folk like Predators, some don't. Some like Prometheus, some don't. It's certainly healthy to have divisions in opinion. The only real problem is when people can't stand that others think differently from them. If we're lucky, we have good discussions and nice articulated arguments from it all.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 20, 2015, 05:37:21 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 05:20:10 PM
It's interesting to see how divided fans are when it comes to the movies. Makes me chuckle and shake my head.

Fair to say that's never going to change... :)

Regardless of whether it's a retcon, carries on from A:R or goes in another direction entirely, my main hope is that Blomkamp can give us a film that restores the reputation of the series after all the damage that has been done to it in recent years...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:01:59 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 20, 2015, 05:36:31 PM
Some folk like Predators, some don't. Some like Prometheus, some don't. It's certainly healthy to have divisions in opinion. The only real problem is when people can't stand that others think differently from them. If we're lucky, we have good discussions and nice articulated arguments from it all.

I am all for different opinions and everyone having their own personal canon. Infact, I encourage fanon universes based off of personal canon! But a lot like you, I think the real problem is when there are fans who pretty much put down the opinion of fans who enjoyed certain movies, whether they were better received or ill-received. That's something I could do without from the fandom.

Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 20, 2015, 05:37:21 PM
Regardless of whether it's a retcon, carries on from A:R or goes in another direction entirely, my main hope is that Blomkamp can give us a film that restores the reputation of the series after all the damage that has been done to it in recent years...

Truth be told I don't think that the franchise has been damaged. It's endured quite a lot within the last twenty three years and still trucking along just fine. Even the ill-received movies took in a lot of money and still sold quite a fair deal of merchandise. I mean even the AvP movies are still bringing in money from collectables and stuff.. even if the movies didn't go well with most fans (I'm one of the few who enjoyed both), people are still buying figures of characters and what not.

So the only way a franchise can be damaged truly, and irreparably is if they outright stop making movies and stop selling merchandise when an entry in the series is so, so bad that little to no product is released. As far as I am aware.. only one franchise has suffered that type of irreparable damage, and that's the Jaws franchise.

The Alien franchise, with the Alien 3's, Resurrections and Versus... is still trucking along without slowing down.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 06:18:49 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 20, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 02:50:58 PM
I noticed that people were arguing about this movie's placement in the chronology for the past few pages.

We don't have much to speculate from, but I'd take the official Fox statement to be the clearest, and with it being the newest development, probably the closest to the truth.

A SEQUEL to the ALIEN FRANCHISE. Not to the Prometheus franchise. Not a prequel to the Alien franchise. All other "reports" are probably unsubstantiated. It's very early for all this information to be leaking.

And I guess this movie will be a Prometheus 2 sequel by proxy, but the Fox statement makes it sound like it's directly a sequel to the Alien franchise.

I don't understand why people are bothered by the prospect of Prometheus and Alien being even more interconnected. Maybe in some ways, yes, Prometheus shook the thematic ground of the series. But I still think they compliment each other. Even with whatever flaws Prometheus may have

One of the most mysterious and awesome thing of ALIEN was the derelict and the space jokey. Prometheus completely ruined it(for some of us) by turning one of the most fascinating creatures into a tall humanoid that is half the size it should be, that has created humans just to destroy them, ad that when it's raped by a giant octopus that is the son of a barren woman and a prick selfish drunk, gives birth to a laughable looking Alien. Oh, and he plays the flute too.

Besides that, no problem!
I know the movie has shoddy writing but you're making it sound so much worse than it actually was.

Honestly none of those things I had a problem with. I give more criticism to the dumb scientists and the fact that they let Shaw just run around the place using their tech and whatnot while they just chill with Weyland to put his clothes on. And then bring her along for the ride haha
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 20, 2015, 05:36:31 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 05:20:10 PM
It's interesting to see how divided fans are when it comes to the movies. Makes me chuckle and shake my head.

Some folk like Predators, some don't. Some like Prometheus, some don't. It's certainly healthy to have divisions in opinion. The only real problem is when people can't stand that others think differently from them. If we're lucky, we have good discussions and nice articulated arguments from it all.

I'll choose Prometheus over Predators. Any day.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:30:11 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
I'll choose Prometheus over Predators. Any day.

Agreed.

PREDATORS just made me very apprehensive of future releases of the franchises. For me, that movie is the Robocop 3 of the Predator franchise. I hope Shane's movie ignores it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 20, 2015, 06:37:51 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:30:11 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
I'll choose Prometheus over Predators. Any day.

Agreed.
Oh, how you betrayed me. :o :-[
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:39:51 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 20, 2015, 06:37:51 PM
Oh, how you betrayed me. :o :-[

What are you talking about?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 20, 2015, 06:50:12 PM
Taking Prometheus over Predators.

Spoiler
It's a joke.
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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:55:21 PM
Ah. Yeah it's.. kind of hard to tell when one is joking on internet!

But yeah, I'd take Prometheus or AvP films over PREDATORS.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 06:59:00 PM
I honestly much prefer Predators. At least it didn't have some high and mighty opinion of itself. It was what it was and it knew it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 07:05:34 PM
Yeah you've got to give it to Predators, it set out to be uninspiring and derivative, nailing both in the process.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:08:42 PM
I never understood what was so bad about Predators actually.  I understand why people dislike AVPR since it's almost like a bad 70's horror flick, but I thought Predators was pretty nicely done (then again I obsessed over all the featurettes and whatnot that was released before the film was, and that helped explain the director's vision more clearly).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 07:12:31 PM
Because Predators, like the AvP movies, couldn't go more than two minutes without paying homage to the older films. There was nothing original about it and it tried to present itself as a fresh product.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 07:13:28 PM
I wouldn't say Predators is bad, it's a 6/10 film imo
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 07:14:23 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 07:12:31 PMit tried to present itself as a fresh product.

I never got that impression at all. I felt like it knew exactly what it was doing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Spidey3121 on Feb 20, 2015, 07:15:29 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 06:30:11 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
I'll choose Prometheus over Predators. Any day.

Agreed.

PREDATORS just made me very apprehensive of future releases of the franchises. For me, that movie is the Robocop 3 of the Predator franchise. I hope Shane's movie ignores it.

O my, I entirely forgot they already announced another Predator movie :laugh:

And yes, I'd take Prometheus over Predators. I didn't care all that much for Predators, honestly. Certainly doesn't match up to P1 or P2. It's serviceable, & at times entertaining, but overall mediocre, & tries too damn hard to remind you of the original, as Doom just pointed about.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 07:18:14 PM
In any event, I'll steer this back to A5 by saying I hope it doesn't end up being the Predators of the Alien franchise. I expect references to the other films, but only because they're story relevant. They don't need to be ham-fisted "wink wink, nudge nudge" moments.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 07:22:18 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:08:42 PM
I never understood what was so bad about Predators actually.  I understand why people dislike AVPR since it's almost like a bad 70's horror flick, but I thought Predators was pretty nicely done (then again I obsessed over all the featurettes and whatnot that was released before the film was, and that helped explain the director's vision more clearly).

Well for me, it was mostly a project being given to the wrong hands. Namely Robert Rodriguez. I mean after reading the 1994 script which he came up with, I knew I was going to have trouble digesting that movie. And sure, Finch and Litvak overhauled the script to where it was slightly better than what Rodriguez wrote up.. For me it cheapened the Predators themselves.

I mean the whole problem for me was the idea of this Preserve Planet where it was kept in mind for Predators to have every single advantage over their prey. It was no longer about the challenge of the sport, removed the thrill of the hunt. The idea of a Predator alienating themselves into an unfamiliar terrain and putting themselves against the most dangerous game was thrown out when the concept of the Preserve Planet came to be. And the idea of it being a jungle planet too was done for the sake of "taking it back to the jungle". And then there were the Super Predators.. whom I felt completely devalued the original.

Those are my problems with the movie..

As far as Prometheus goes.. I liked it at first. But then over time my opinion of it changed, quite a lot like Resurrection really. I used to like Resurrection as a kid. But in regards to Prometheus.. I found the film to be extremely pretentious, filled with nonsensical metaphorical bull which I really don't need in order to be entertained as far as a movie goes. I am more generous with Prometheus than I am with PREDATORS because I am not so invested in the Alien side of things but... Prometheus is pretentious.

Where yo' monocle at, Prometheus? Muuuhurhurhur!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: stroggificated on Feb 20, 2015, 07:41:42 PM
I'm waiting for the announcement of Winona Ryder's return  8)
Still better than bringing Hicks back to life  :P
Unless he's going to be cloned, but why would you do that and why would his burns be a part of it?
I can't take this very seriously atm.  ;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:43:19 PM
It could also be a synthetic modeled after Hicks; that was going to be the plot of a 3D Aliens effects show but it got scrapped before it could be produced. :(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 07:47:04 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:43:19 PM
It could also be a synthetic modeled after Hicks; that was going to be the plot of a 3D Aliens effects show but it got scrapped before it could be produced. :(

Wait.. what? I never heard of that before!
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:48:14 PM
The script is on one of the bonus discs for the Alien Anthology.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 20, 2015, 07:49:01 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:43:19 PM
It could also be a synthetic modeled after Hicks; that was going to be the plot of a 3D Aliens effects show but it got scrapped before it could be produced. :(

That would be about as interesting to me as Ripley 8. Not at all.  Hicks and Ripley aren't just faces with names. They're fully fleshed out characters.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 20, 2015, 07:59:55 PM
Hopefully ADI will be kept well away from this too.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 20, 2015, 08:10:37 PM
Blomkamp's new "Alien" movie will be released March 4, 2016.

20th Century Fox have confirmed that Neill Blomkamp ("Elysium") will direct a sequel to the original "Alien" movie franchise, with Signourney Weaver as 'Ellen Ripley

http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2015/02/ripley-returning-for-more-alien.html (http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2015/02/ripley-returning-for-more-alien.html)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 08:11:21 PM
Ripley confirmed too, eh.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 20, 2015, 08:12:46 PM
Er, no I don't think so. You're having a laugh with that release date considering he hasn't even wrote the script yet.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 20, 2015, 08:13:43 PM
Yep, 3 months min on pre-production.
3 months on very min for filming.
9 months on very min for post production and visual effects.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 08:14:32 PM
More to the point, isn't Prometheus 2 out right around then?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 20, 2015, 08:18:57 PM
Wasn't The Martian scheduled for that March 4, 2016 release date? Methinks Sneakpeak got confused with them dates.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 20, 2015, 08:21:50 PM
I believe so, yeah. Or at least hasn't Scott confirmed The Martian will be his next film?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:22:09 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 20, 2015, 08:13:43 PM
Yep, 3 months min on pre-production.
3 months on very min for filming.
9 months on very min for post production and visual effects.

Pre-production could already be done.
There are huge chances he talked to fox prior this despite what might be said and have just released a couple of concepts he draw that are never going to be into the film so it was perfectly safe to tease and see the fans reaction so fox could finally approve the project and give it a greenlight.
It might be much more developed already than everyone think.

And there are huge chances he doesn't use ADI for the props but rather WETA and there are also huge chances the creatures are entirely done in post-production since it's kinda blomkamp trademark.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:25:28 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 04:59:43 PM
Reading that makes me wish A3 never happened. There wouldn't be this much division if it hadn't. Come to think of it, I say overwrite A3.

Division is fine. I welcome it with open arms. When both sides remain civil, it makes for very engaging discussion.

Quote from: TheBATMAN on Feb 20, 2015, 07:59:55 PM
Hopefully ADI will be kept well away from this too.

Why? ADI is great. Complain about fleshy Aliens, but they were just delivering on the directors' requests. I'd love to see them take a stab at something more Giger-influenced.

Though I'd be really ecstatic if Blomkamp was able to get Weta on board again.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 20, 2015, 08:10:37 PM
Blomkamp's new "Alien" movie will be released March 4, 2016.

20th Century Fox have confirmed that Neill Blomkamp ("Elysium") will direct a sequel to the original "Alien" movie franchise, with Signourney Weaver as 'Ellen Ripley

http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2015/02/ripley-returning-for-more-alien.html (http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2015/02/ripley-returning-for-more-alien.html)

Don't think I buy that release date, unless it's been in pre-production for months without us knowing and it starts shooting tomorrow. Which almost certainly isn't the case. I'll hold out for a more reliable source.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 08:25:38 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:22:09 PMPre-production could already be done.

I highly doubt that. I believe Blomkamp when he said the concept art had nothing to do with Fox. In fact I get the feeling he threw that out there as an underhanded sales pitch to the studio. The studio wouldn't have let him release it if it had been done officially for the film, certainly not this early.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:26:52 PM
Also, guys, keep in mind that Chappie only finished post a couple weeks ago.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 20, 2015, 08:27:00 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:22:09 PM
Pre-production could already be done.

lolnope
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: TheBATMAN on Feb 20, 2015, 08:30:32 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:25:28 PM


Why? ADI is great. Complain about fleshy Aliens, but they were just delivering on the directors' requests. I'd love to see them take a stab at something more Giger-influenced.

ADI are awful and terribly overrated. They've had 4 attempts at the Alien, and cocked it up each time. Let's give someone else a shot.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:31:30 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 08:25:38 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:22:09 PMPre-production could already be done.

I highly doubt that. I believe Blomkamp when he said the concept art had nothing to do with Fox. In fact I get the feeling he threw that out there as an underhanded sales pitch to the studio. The studio wouldn't have let him release it if it had been done officially for the film, certainly not this early.

As I said in another topic, it's more like a fan-art or a "tribute" he made.
It seems quite obvious it is not related to the film he envision.
No one would make such a mistake to publish that just like this.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 20, 2015, 08:27:00 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:22:09 PM
Pre-production could already be done.

lolnope

I actually meant "more advanced than we think". My stupid brain typed "done".  :P

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:26:52 PM
Also, guys, keep in mind that Chappie only finished post a couple weeks ago.

That doesn't mean you can work on multiple project.
Post-production isn't a very engaging one for directors, skype and server exchange with one daily is more than enough.
At least that's the way I've always seen it in the industry.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 08:38:03 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Feb 20, 2015, 08:30:32 PMADI are awful and terribly overrated. They've had 4 attempts at the Alien, and cocked it up each time. Let's give someone else a shot.

Their work on Alien 3 was great.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:41:51 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:31:30 PM
That doesn't mean you can work on multiple project.
Post-production isn't a very engaging one for directors, skype and server exchange with one daily is more than enough.
At least that's the way I've always seen it in the industry.

For a very "hands off" director, maybe.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 08:38:03 PM
Quote from: TheBATMAN on Feb 20, 2015, 08:30:32 PMADI are awful and terribly overrated. They've had 4 attempts at the Alien, and cocked it up each time. Let's give someone else a shot.

Their work on Alien 3 was great.

And a ton of other non-Alien films as well. I'd have no qualms at all with them returning under Blomkamp's direction.

That being said, I really want (and expect) Weta to be involved as well. District 9, Elysium, and Chappie are all testaments to the fantastic work they've achieved in the past, and at this point they've collaborated so much it must be like a well oiled machine. They get each other.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 20, 2015, 08:43:29 PM
There is less than zero chance that article is legitimate. Excluding the open question of Ridley Scott and the Prometheus sequel and its potential release, Chappie is just now coming out. Timetables simply do not work like that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:44:17 PM
Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Feb 20, 2015, 08:43:29 PM
There is less than zero chance that article is legitimate. Excluding the open question of Ridley Scott and the Prometheus sequel and its potential release, Chappie is just now coming out. Timetables simply do not work like that.

Yup.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 08:56:05 PM
Some of you need to take some deep breathing exercises. I honestly, hope they don't include Hicks, as it was from concept art. Or.......even try to add this in with Alien Resurrection (I am assuming they won't). There's not a lot of options than to overwrite Alien 3, and Alien 3 is such a  visually magnificent film, I'm cautious if Blomkamp can achieve that same level. Think of it this way, if they add Hicks from the Colonial Marines continuity mess, what on earth are you thinking. If they add him and just write over Alien 3, it's like, ehhhhhh ehh, ehhhhh I'm not sure what I think of it. Alien 3 compliments Prometheus (I myself just watch an edit I've made of Prometheus with deleted scenes and uneeded scenes taken out, fixed continuity ) in that it is has very religious undertones, I tend to get it as helping make everything more tonally consistent for what they're trying to achieve, which is really unique in films science fiction history. The themes of Alien 3, and pre-written Alien 3 material, pretty much are the foundations for Prometheus to exist and add on to what it added, but not necessarily pulled off.

It just feels like over writing is jamming something in there that might not be pulled off well at all, might not keep a consistent tone. Including it before Alien 3 makes absolutely no sense and is just retconning for retconning sake to see Ripley. I suppose writing over Alien 3 accomplishes the same retconning for retconning sake to see Ripley just as well. I'm not even sure if the Alien franchise needs Ripley, there are plenty of avenues you can explore in this really rich world, that do not need Ripley and Hicks to guide us through them.

I am just very...neutral, about this whole thing. If it's happening then, well, it's happening and I hope it works.

And you know, there's gonna be some arguments. Some pretty emotionally charged arguments.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: A.F on Feb 20, 2015, 09:06:34 PM
To be sure that the new Alien movie would be great. This should be made by James Cameron!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 09:08:23 PM
He's a bit busy with the next three Avatar films at the moment.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: A.F on Feb 20, 2015, 09:13:49 PM
I rather wait that give a important franchise to some newbie. The concept art are great, but if he fails to deliver?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 09:17:16 PM
I wouldn't really call him a "newbie" at this point. This is going to be his fourth film. Anyways, Scott and Fincher were both "newbies" when they made their Alien films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 20, 2015, 09:18:47 PM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 08:56:05 PMIt just feels like over writing is jamming something in there that might not be pulled off well at all, might not keep a consistent tone.
All the four Alien films are different in tone. The least I'd like to see would be a return to the dead tone of Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 09:19:31 PM
Quote from: A.F on Feb 20, 2015, 09:13:49 PM
I rather wait that give a important franchise to some newbie. The concept art are great, but if he fails to deliver?

I'd rather someone give inject new artistry than constantly relying on the oh-great-magnificent-film-patriarchs and have them constantly sucking up oceans of cash. If this were 1985 I'm sure people would be lamenting the loss of Ridley Scott as director.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 20, 2015, 09:20:42 PM
Yeah, Scott had only made one film when he did Alien, and Cameron had done two. One of those two was T1... the other was Piranha 2: The Spawning. So he was 50/50 like some say Blomkamp is.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 09:49:37 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 20, 2015, 08:10:37 PM
Blomkamp's new "Alien" movie will be released March 4, 2016.

Seems too soon and too good to be true.

The movie was announced a few days ago and already a release date? Why so soon? The usual average time rate for a movie to go through development and move into production and post-production is two years at the most.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 09:51:23 PM
It's not true.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 09:51:59 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 09:51:23 PM
It's not true.

Which is why I said it's too soon and too good to be true.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 10:34:10 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on Feb 20, 2015, 05:12:15 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 20, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 02:50:58 PM
I noticed that people were arguing about this movie's placement in the chronology for the past few pages.

We don't have much to speculate from, but I'd take the official Fox statement to be the clearest, and with it being the newest development, probably the closest to the truth.

A SEQUEL to the ALIEN FRANCHISE. Not to the Prometheus franchise. Not a prequel to the Alien franchise. All other "reports" are probably unsubstantiated. It's very early for all this information to be leaking.

And I guess this movie will be a Prometheus 2 sequel by proxy, but the Fox statement makes it sound like it's directly a sequel to the Alien franchise.

I don't understand why people are bothered by the prospect of Prometheus and Alien being even more interconnected. Maybe in some ways, yes, Prometheus shook the thematic ground of the series. But I still think they compliment each other. Even with whatever flaws Prometheus may have

One of the most mysterious and awesome thing of ALIEN was the derelict and the space jokey. Prometheus completely ruined it(for some of us) by turning one of the most fascinating creatures into a tall humanoid that is half the size it should be, that has created humans just to destroy them, ad that when it's raped by a giant octopus that is the son of a barren woman and a prick selfish drunk, gives birth to a laughable looking Alien. Oh, and he plays the flute too.

Besides that, no problem!

This. Kinda wish i could unsee the damn film. Prometheus made the Alien much less interesting and imo damaged the franchise far more than any of the AvP films or Alien Res. As stand alone feature Prometheus is quite a bit better than AvP1 and Requiem. I appreciate Prometheus as a nicely done Star Trek episode.

I thought Prometheus made the alien much more interesting. No longer was it saddled with the hive / queen dynamic; that was just one bug-ilke route the course of alien evolution could take. But now there are so many others. If Blomkamp insists on bringing back the queen it will be a retrograde step IMO.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 20, 2015, 10:50:15 PM
Damn this movie is bringing in the people. Talk about a baby boom! :P

Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 10:34:10 PMI thought Prometheus made the alien much more interesting. No longer was it saddled with the hive / queen dynamic; that was just one bug-ilke route the course of alien evolution could take. But now there are so many others. If Blomkamp insists on bringing back the queen it will be a retrograde step IMO.

Yea Prometheus is a step up but this is not a Prometheus movie, it's an alien movie. So having the queen would not bother me one bit. :)

However I wonder if it will be one alien or many. Basically it went 1, 154?, 1, and 15? Ok I suppose it was 2 in Alien³ if you count the queen embryo or theatrical cut. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 20, 2015, 10:52:49 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 10:34:10 PMI thought Prometheus made the alien much more interesting. No longer was it saddled with the hive / queen dynamic; that was just one bug-ilke route the course of alien evolution could take. But now there are so many others. If Blomkamp insists on bringing back the queen it will be a retrograde step IMO.
Prometheus is NOT PART of the Alien series. It's a related series, set in the same universe, but is not from the same series, it's a different story. They would not be "bringing back the queen", she never went away...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 20, 2015, 10:58:11 PM
I hear by nominate Ripley 08 as the new queen! Why? Cause every time someone gets chest busted a kitty gets its wings! Honestly though, why not, this is a horror movie and I would love to see an evil ellen ripley on screen and then she could also have a proper death scene. I'm talking full carnage people.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 11:02:45 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 20, 2015, 10:58:11 PM
I hear by nominate Ripley 08 as the new queen! Why? Cause every time someone gets chest busted a kitty gets its wings! Honestly though, why not, this is a horror movie and I would love to see an evil ellen ripley on screen and then she could also have a proper death scene. I'm talking full carnage people.

This sounds like something @dril would post
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 11:09:20 PM
This isn't going to be a sequel to Alien. Weaver looks old as shit and story-wise is makes no sense. They're probably just looking for page clicks.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:12:25 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 20, 2015, 10:52:49 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 10:34:10 PMI thought Prometheus made the alien much more interesting. No longer was it saddled with the hive / queen dynamic; that was just one bug-ilke route the course of alien evolution could take. But now there are so many others. If Blomkamp insists on bringing back the queen it will be a retrograde step IMO.
Prometheus is NOT PART of the Alien series. It's a related series, set in the same universe, but is not from the same series, it's a different story. They would not be "bringing back the queen", she never went away...

It is part of the ALIEN universe with very obvious connections. Weyland, juggernaut. alien life using hosts, Scott's aestehtic. It's more closely tied to A L I E N, or the Starbeast script, than any of A L I E N's sequels.

Queen = shite. One of Cameron's 'great' ideas.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 11:14:25 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:12:25 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 20, 2015, 10:52:49 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 10:34:10 PMI thought Prometheus made the alien much more interesting. No longer was it saddled with the hive / queen dynamic; that was just one bug-ilke route the course of alien evolution could take. But now there are so many others. If Blomkamp insists on bringing back the queen it will be a retrograde step IMO.
Prometheus is NOT PART of the Alien series. It's a related series, set in the same universe, but is not from the same series, it's a different story. They would not be "bringing back the queen", she never went away...

It is part of the ALIEN universe with very obvious connections. Weyland, juggernaut. alien life using hosts, Scott's aestehtic. It's more closely tied to A L I E N, or the Starbeast script, than any of A L I E N's sequels.

Queen = shite. One of Cameron's 'great' ideas.

Honestly things don't have to be so black and white, and it's not a bad idea, nor badly designed. Aliens is a very good film, idk why you need to trash it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:21:51 PM
I saw it in 86, and thought it was a travesty of the ideas  A L I E N  presented. I have never grown to like it. It is an effective action film and if it wasn't related to  A L I E N  I would consider it a better than average 80's action flick of the Die Hard stable. But coming on the  tails of Rambo, it felt like a horribly toned down, muscled-up reinvention of A L I E N. I admire aspects of it's production, but it's style and presentation do nothing for me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 11:24:51 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:21:51 PM
I saw it in 86, and thought it was a travesty of the ideas  A L I E N  presented. I have never grown to like it. It is an effective action film and if it wasn't related to  A L I E N  I would consider it a better than average 80's action flick of the Die Hard staple. But coming on the  tails of Rambo, it felt like a horribly toned down, muscled up reinvention of A L I E N. I admire aspects of it's production, but it's style and presentation do nothing for me.

Intense amounts of action stretched out with themes of repetition isn't exactly something uniquely Aliens or negative. It just explored the execution of the climax of Alien farther, while expanding upon the film setting. Considering the 80's, it could have been much worse, and the creative team behind Alien agree.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 20, 2015, 11:28:35 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:21:51 PMI saw it in 86, and thought it was a travesty of the ideas  A L I E N  presented.

I don't really see how this is in any way true. It's just a logical extension of those ideas.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 20, 2015, 11:31:26 PM
Something was laying those eggs... what else would have made any better sense?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 20, 2015, 11:32:12 PM
I find it quite surprising that there are people who actually hate ALIENS. That was my first Alien movie and I have fond memories watching it every time my Dad would pick me up from kindergarten and took me to Toys R' Us where I'd get an Alien toy.. I mean I thought ALIENS was a solid movie, a classic for sure and.. I can't wrap my head around why anyone would hate it.

Don't get me wrong, I respect if a person doesn't like it. More power to them but it just... strikes me as odd.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:33:44 PM
I 've seen plenty of interviews with the creative team on A L I E N, who simply, diplomatically, state that it's not their sort of film.

It's just not my sort of film either.

If Blomkamp can do something interesting, then I'm open to seeing what that is, but if it's a story that relies on bringing back characters in order to rehash, or get different closure, on Aliens, then it simply won't interest me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Feb 20, 2015, 11:34:23 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:33:44 PM
I 've seen plenty of interviews with the creative team on A L I E N, who simply, diplomatically, state that it's not their sort of film.
Which ones? Scott liked it, Giger liked it. O'Bannon didn't?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 20, 2015, 11:42:04 PM
Always saw Aliens as a natural progression to the first film tbh. I grew up on that film though, so I'm probably biased... :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:47:10 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 20, 2015, 11:34:23 PM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:33:44 PM
I 've seen plenty of interviews with the creative team on A L I E N, who simply, diplomatically, state that it's not their sort of film.
Which ones? Scott liked it, Giger liked it. O'Bannon didn't?

One of the guys who worked on A L I E N created a site with a CGI Nostromo, and he had a behind the scenes film in two or three parts - Alien Makers was it? A number of the interviewees on that were indifferent about the sequel.

Also Scott has moderated his views, but has stated that Aliens did a good job at what it did, but it wasn't where he would have seen it going.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 20, 2015, 11:55:25 PM
Scott liked it; Giger found it too action-y but liked the designs (with the exception of the "ribbed cranium"); O'Bannon liked it. See here (https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2013/02/03/alien-alumni-on-aliens/).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 21, 2015, 12:03:05 AM
Even if they didn't, it doesn't invalidate Aliens. It was a critical and creative smash hit with audiences around the world, and helped popularise a HUGE HUUUUGE amount of creative people in film, writing, and video games.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 01:43:42 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:12:25 PMobvious connections.
More like, fanservice.

Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:12:25 PMWeyland, juggernaut. alien life using hosts, Scott's aestehtic.
A pretext to create their own different mythology, while taking advantage of the Alien series fame.

Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:12:25 PMIt's more closely tied to A L I E N, or the Starbeast script, than any of A L I E N's sequels.
It's a movie that doesn't make much sense on its own, and even less sense in connection with A L I E N.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 21, 2015, 02:07:26 AM
"Prometheus sucks!!!!" "Aliens sucks!!!!!!!!!!" "AAAAAAAA" why can't we just take the artistry of each while understanding each has flaws.

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 21, 2015, 02:22:52 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 01:43:42 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:12:25 PMobvious connections.
More like, fanservice.


Fan service? But you're not a fan.

However, If Alien 5 is all about fan service to Aliens and screw what came after - that's fine by you.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Shinobi Wan Kenobi on Feb 21, 2015, 02:30:55 AM
Yay
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 02:32:21 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 21, 2015, 02:22:52 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 01:43:42 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 20, 2015, 11:12:25 PMobvious connections.
More like, fanservice.


Fan service? But you're not a fan.

However, If Alien 5 is all about fan service to Aliens and screw what came after - that's fine by you.
I loved Prometheus. As a fan, it gave me all the fan service I wanted (:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 03:26:59 AM
Did someone already point out that the H. R. Giger concept art he posted is called "Alien V"?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 21, 2015, 03:46:48 AM
Wasn't there a maquette amongst the first leaked concepts that looked faithful to Giger's alien? Not seen that in recent posts about the concept art.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 03:51:08 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 21, 2015, 03:46:48 AM
Wasn't there a maquette amongst the first leaked concepts that looked faithful to Giger's alien? Not seen that in recent posts about the concept art.

That was just Sideshow's Big Chap bust.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic1.squarespace.com%2Fstatic%2F51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de%2Ft%2F54a63e2ae4b00fb49e1426cc%2F1420181035320%2Fneill-blomkamp-was-developing-an-alien-film-and-heres-some-concept-art9&hash=44f9d1b95f9cf419dbab33bee407c9e0f579a451)
(https://www.sideshowtoy.com/assets/products/200233-alien-big-chap/lg/200233-alien-big-chap-007.jpg)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 21, 2015, 03:54:22 AM
Quote from: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 03:51:08 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 21, 2015, 03:46:48 AM
Wasn't there a maquette amongst the first leaked concepts that looked faithful to Giger's alien? Not seen that in recent posts about the concept art.

That was just Sideshow's Big Chap bust.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic1.squarespace.com%2Fstatic%2F51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de%2Ft%2F54a63e2ae4b00fb49e1426cc%2F1420181035320%2Fneill-blomkamp-was-developing-an-alien-film-and-heres-some-concept-art9&hash=44f9d1b95f9cf419dbab33bee407c9e0f579a451)
(https://www.sideshowtoy.com/assets/products/200233-alien-big-chap/lg/200233-alien-big-chap-007.jpg)

It was too good to be true  :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 04:00:45 AM
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 21, 2015, 03:54:22 AM
Quote from: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 03:51:08 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 21, 2015, 03:46:48 AM
Wasn't there a maquette amongst the first leaked concepts that looked faithful to Giger's alien? Not seen that in recent posts about the concept art.

That was just Sideshow's Big Chap bust.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic1.squarespace.com%2Fstatic%2F51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de%2Ft%2F54a63e2ae4b00fb49e1426cc%2F1420181035320%2Fneill-blomkamp-was-developing-an-alien-film-and-heres-some-concept-art9&hash=44f9d1b95f9cf419dbab33bee407c9e0f579a451)
(https://www.sideshowtoy.com/assets/products/200233-alien-big-chap/lg/200233-alien-big-chap-007.jpg)

It was too good to be true  :P

The bust (the exclusive edition) and Giger concept art does seem to suggest he's a fan of the original Alien, so I imagine that's the design he's going to use.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 21, 2015, 04:44:12 AM
Quote from: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 03:51:08 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 21, 2015, 03:46:48 AM
Wasn't there a maquette amongst the first leaked concepts that looked faithful to Giger's alien? Not seen that in recent posts about the concept art.

That was just Sideshow's Big Chap bust.

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic1.squarespace.com%2Fstatic%2F51b3dc8ee4b051b96ceb10de%2Ft%2F54a63e2ae4b00fb49e1426cc%2F1420181035320%2Fneill-blomkamp-was-developing-an-alien-film-and-heres-some-concept-art9&hash=44f9d1b95f9cf419dbab33bee407c9e0f579a451)
(https://www.sideshowtoy.com/assets/products/200233-alien-big-chap/lg/200233-alien-big-chap-007.jpg)

I'd prefer a Halo film over an Alien one right now
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rabbit2100 on Feb 21, 2015, 04:51:24 AM
I know its a ways away from preprod of any kind, BUT the fanboy in me is screaming for Blomkamp to combine the first two designs into one. I've always liked the idea of a half domed alien. I whipped this up in photoshop using the beautiful renders by Locusta. His images are stunning and capture every detail of the creature.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi274.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fjj241%2FRabbit2100%2Fthealien1_zpsnc7figsz.jpg&hash=59879c72a3da0db4557382ad97eda3b1400ec7e3)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kelgaard on Feb 21, 2015, 05:10:34 AM
Yes, they should definitely look no further than Locusta's take on the designs.  I would love to see both designs, the original and the warrior, used in the same movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HappyAlien on Feb 21, 2015, 07:40:18 AM
You know what i like about Kane 's Son from Alien and the warriors from Aliens they don't have buck teeth like the Aliens from AVP and AVPR and i think the ones from AR looked pretty shit as well. The ones in AVP and AVPR reminded me of Cleatus from the Simpsons!
Hopefull the new films go back to the original designs and i'd rather not have ADI involved unless they do designs similar to the first two films and not what they did  in AR and AVP (Alien 3 design was okay though).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Vrastal on Feb 21, 2015, 08:05:33 AM
as long as it doesnt look like a man in a suit
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 09:08:30 AM
Whatever happens with this movie, I hope they get Charles de Lauzirika to do another amazing making-of.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: CainsSon on Feb 21, 2015, 09:17:00 AM
Quote from: NetworkATTH on Feb 20, 2015, 08:56:05 PM
Some of you need to take some deep breathing exercises. I honestly, hope they don't include Hicks, as it was from concept art. Or.......even try to add this in with Alien Resurrection (I am assuming they won't). There's not a lot of options than to overwrite Alien 3, and Alien 3 is such a  visually magnificent film, I'm cautious if Blomkamp can achieve that same level. Think of it this way, if they add Hicks from the Colonial Marines continuity mess, what on earth are you thinking. If they add him and just write over Alien 3, it's like, ehhhhhh ehh, ehhhhh I'm not sure what I think of it. Alien 3 compliments Prometheus (I myself just watch an edit I've made of Prometheus with deleted scenes and uneeded scenes taken out, fixed continuity ) in that it is has very religious undertones, I tend to get it as helping make everything more tonally consistent for what they're trying to achieve, which is really unique in films science fiction history. The themes of Alien 3, and pre-written Alien 3 material, pretty much are the foundations for Prometheus to exist and add on to what it added, but not necessarily pulled off.

It just feels like over writing is jamming something in there that might not be pulled off well at all, might not keep a consistent tone. Including it before Alien 3 makes absolutely no sense and is just retconning for retconning sake to see Ripley. I suppose writing over Alien 3 accomplishes the same retconning for retconning sake to see Ripley just as well. I'm not even sure if the Alien franchise needs Ripley, there are plenty of avenues you can explore in this really rich world, that do not need Ripley and Hicks to guide us through them.

I am just very...neutral, about this whole thing. If it's happening then, well, it's happening and I hope it works.

And you know, there's gonna be some arguments. Some pretty emotionally charged arguments.

Ok. Thank you!!! Thankyou soooo much for this wonderful post. I've spent years arguing with people that the reason the EGG on the sulaco is a mystery is so they could infuse ALIEN 3 with the christian virgin-birth tropes, religious subtext, that the people who made PROMETHEUS obviously understood! I cannot tell you how many people have outright told me I'm crazy and no such subtext existed. Prometheus even made the day Christmas to make it clear. I am sure that whoever wrote that stuff knew they were doing A3 a service.

The other thing - the killing of Newt - it's always been obvious to me that this was done because they wanted Ripley to have lost her daughter, so the Alien growing in her had a sort-of Nightmare version of the Christ-myth thing going. But since the studio had cut the scene with ripley's daughter dying in ALIENS - the only way that could be accomplished for Ripley's character that would make sense to general audiences, was to kill Newt. Ripley's conception of that Queen in her chest, is like a spiritual manifestation - the flip side of Christ who will save the world. Her child will destroy it. So that's why the cruciform pose at the end is so important. Because she found a way to flip it back the other way. She is the christ figure, not the alien inside her. It's actually quite smart writing and it never got the credit it deserved because Fox tried to gut that stuff out of it.

Anyway - since you brought up Prometheus complimenting ALIEN 3, I'd like to add that it also compliments A:R (not that there is much you can do to save A:R from being a badly produced film) but essentially Prometheus compliments A:R because A:R is like humans have now caught up with the genetic experimenting with the Alien that led to the Engineers problems in those holograms in their weapons lab on LV223. I would argue that Prometheus goes out of its way to show that all of W-Y's technology is very similar to where the Engineers tech is - thus the 'We are the gods now' theme. If you watch Prometheus with this in mind 'All the tech the humans have is practically holding a mirror up to the tech they discover the engineers have' it's obvious they did that very deliberately.

Anyway - thank god someone else see's this stuff too. It's there. You just have to know how to look for it.

That said -
I think Blomkamp couldn't be better for this. I wanted him as soon as I saw District 9.
I also do think they should finish Ripley's story for good because leaving A:R where it was is a terrible thing. Its such a great franchise and it ruins it to leave it there. It shouldn't have been let on a cliffhanger after starting it down a whole new path. Especially after A3 ended the series effectively.

Same goes for PROMETHEUS. It absolutely needs its sequel.

I do not think Siggy Weaves will take the part at all, if anyone suggests 3 and 4 are retconned out, and I don't think Blomkamp will want to do that either. If she turns it down, there is no reason to retcon anything.

I think they should finish her story and plant the seeds for it to continue without her. Like Episode VII is doing. They will NOT STOP MAKING ALIEN films so, rather than the eventual remake, this is the path to take.

I find all the hate for 3 , 4 and Prometheus totally unfounded. I dare anyone to name a single film franchise where all 7 (which is what ALIEN V will be - the 7th installment) films - or even 3 films are just as good as Alien and Aliens. You just have to understand that s not how things are. Some are better than others at in this case the best are phenomenal. ts impossible to make 7 films that good, and they are still all pretty damn fantastic in their own right. If you take the films in this series separately they are all very interesting and redeeming in their merits. If things stay on par for PRM 2 and A5, this franchise will be unequal in all Sci-Fi franchises. I already think its the best Sci-Fi franchise of all time, because each film is so different and has tried new things ( AVP not counted whatsoever).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 21, 2015, 10:20:56 AM
Alien³ was an alien movie, A|R was a f**king comedy. It jumped through hoops pulling all kinds of crap cliches.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 04:24:07 PM
Just saw these on Facebook:

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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 04:26:18 PM
Really not a fan of that idea.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 04:28:01 PM
I'm not sure how I feel about it just yet. It could interesting as a possible direction for the weapons division. All depends on the execution, really.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 04:30:21 PM
What if Prometheus 1 and 2, and Alien V, are set in a different continuity than the Alien Quadralogy movies?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 04:32:06 PM
Except Fox has specifically said the new film is a "sequel to the Alien franchise". So clearly it exists alongside them.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 04:36:45 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 04:32:06 PMExcept Fox has specifically said the new film is a "sequel to the Alien franchise". So clearly it exists alongside them.
Maybe it's a way to simplify it, instead of saying "a new sequel to Aliens that exists in an alternate reality where Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection never happened but Prometheus did and it will exist around the same time period".

Or at least that's what I hope for  :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 04:41:48 PM
I'm sure then they'd just say "a sequel to Aliens" or "reboot" or something. Or a "new sequel in the franchise".

The more I think about it, the more I get the feeling the use of the phrase "sequel to the Alien franchise" means it will be post-Resurrection. That would also best fit with the fact Weaver is now getting on for 20 years older than she was last time out.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 04:46:12 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 04:41:48 PMI'm sure then they'd just say "a sequel to Aliens" or "reboot" or something. Or a "new sequel in the franchise".

The more I think about it, the more I get the feeling the use of the phrase "sequel to the Alien franchise" means it will be post-Resurrection. That would also best fit with the fact Weaver is now getting on for 20 years older than she was last time out.
A sequel to the Alien series could mean a sequel to any movie of the series, they didn't say "A sequel to Alien Resurrection".
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 04:56:53 PM
Not really. Saying it's a sequel to the franchise implies it comes after. You're saying it's a sequel to the franchise as a whole.

Of course, who knows if they actually put that much thought into the statement.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Kelgaard on Feb 21, 2015, 06:18:53 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 04:28:01 PM
I'm not sure how I feel about it just yet. It could interesting as a possible direction for the weapons division. All depends on the execution, really.

The related concept art says space jockey, so maybe it's meant to be more of a Pilot suit.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 21, 2015, 04:56:53 PMNot really. Saying it's a sequel to the franchise implies it comes after. You're saying it's a sequel to the franchise as a whole.
Yap, as a whole. Not necessarily a sequel to Alien: Resurrection.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 06:33:11 PM
Louis C.K. wants to die in the movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFJGg_GKts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFJGg_GKts)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 21, 2015, 07:31:39 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:41:51 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:31:30 PM
That doesn't mean you can work on multiple project.
Post-production isn't a very engaging one for directors, skype and server exchange with one daily is more than enough.
At least that's the way I've always seen it in the industry.

For a very "hands off" director, maybe.

Oh yeah, I forgot that a very engaged director stay in front of the computer screen for an entire week looking at how much % the shot is rendered  :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 21, 2015, 07:45:20 PM
Quote from: reecebomb on Feb 20, 2015, 05:12:15 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 20, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 02:50:58 PM
I noticed that people were arguing about this movie's placement in the chronology for the past few pages.

We don't have much to speculate from, but I'd take the official Fox statement to be the clearest, and with it being the newest development, probably the closest to the truth.

A SEQUEL to the ALIEN FRANCHISE. Not to the Prometheus franchise. Not a prequel to the Alien franchise. All other "reports" are probably unsubstantiated. It's very early for all this information to be leaking.

And I guess this movie will be a Prometheus 2 sequel by proxy, but the Fox statement makes it sound like it's directly a sequel to the Alien franchise.

I don't understand why people are bothered by the prospect of Prometheus and Alien being even more interconnected. Maybe in some ways, yes, Prometheus shook the thematic ground of the series. But I still think they compliment each other. Even with whatever flaws Prometheus may have

One of the most mysterious and awesome thing of ALIEN was the derelict and the space jokey. Prometheus completely ruined it(for some of us) by turning one of the most fascinating creatures into a tall humanoid that is half the size it should be, that has created humans just to destroy them, ad that when it's raped by a giant octopus that is the son of a barren woman and a prick selfish drunk, gives birth to a laughable looking Alien. Oh, and he plays the flute too.

Besides that, no problem!

This. Kinda wish i could unsee the damn film. Prometheus made the Alien much less interesting and imo damaged the franchise far more than any of the AvP films or Alien Res. As stand alone feature Prometheus is quite a bit better than AvP1 and Requiem. I appreciate Prometheus as a nicely done Star Trek episode.

+1


Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 06:18:49 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 20, 2015, 04:24:14 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 20, 2015, 02:50:58 PM
I noticed that people were arguing about this movie's placement in the chronology for the past few pages.

We don't have much to speculate from, but I'd take the official Fox statement to be the clearest, and with it being the newest development, probably the closest to the truth.

A SEQUEL to the ALIEN FRANCHISE. Not to the Prometheus franchise. Not a prequel to the Alien franchise. All other "reports" are probably unsubstantiated. It's very early for all this information to be leaking.

And I guess this movie will be a Prometheus 2 sequel by proxy, but the Fox statement makes it sound like it's directly a sequel to the Alien franchise.

I don't understand why people are bothered by the prospect of Prometheus and Alien being even more interconnected. Maybe in some ways, yes, Prometheus shook the thematic ground of the series. But I still think they compliment each other. Even with whatever flaws Prometheus may have

One of the most mysterious and awesome thing of ALIEN was the derelict and the space jokey. Prometheus completely ruined it(for some of us) by turning one of the most fascinating creatures into a tall humanoid that is half the size it should be, that has created humans just to destroy them, ad that when it's raped by a giant octopus that is the son of a barren woman and a prick selfish drunk, gives birth to a laughable looking Alien. Oh, and he plays the flute too.

Besides that, no problem!
I know the movie has shoddy writing but you're making it sound so much worse than it actually was.

Honestly none of those things I had a problem with. I give more criticism to the dumb scientists and the fact that they let Shaw just run around the place using their tech and whatnot while they just chill with Weyland to put his clothes on. And then bring her along for the ride haha

If you have no problem with the flute, then I guess that...well...I mean...Good luck.


Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 20, 2015, 07:13:28 PM
I wouldn't say Predators is bad, it's a 6/10 film imo

same here, while AVP is 2/10 and AVP:R is 0/10
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 21, 2015, 07:55:25 PM
I'm honestly just still in shock that Aliens V is actually happening. I saw Resurrection when it first came out on VHS when I was, what, 8 or so. All the chronological/"is a retcon or not?" stuff aside, I have high hopes. Elysium was garbage, but District 9 was pretty great, so I think the series is in good hands.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 21, 2015, 07:55:52 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:43:19 PM
It could also be a synthetic modeled after Hicks; that was going to be the plot of a 3D Aliens effects show but it got scrapped before it could be produced. :(

Michael Biehn must be on the verge of a heart attach those days. The poor guy... Someone should make one of those documentaries about adorable losers with him.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 21, 2015, 07:59:04 PM
I feel like this movie will divide opinions. Some will probably love it, others will probably dislike it.  It's in a difficult position, in that it can't possible please everyone. 
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 08:04:30 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 21, 2015, 07:31:39 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:41:51 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:31:30 PM
That doesn't mean you can work on multiple project.
Post-production isn't a very engaging one for directors, skype and server exchange with one daily is more than enough.
At least that's the way I've always seen it in the industry.

For a very "hands off" director, maybe.

Oh yeah, I forgot that a very engaged director stay in front of the computer screen for an entire week looking at how much % the shot is rendered  :P

And overseeing editing, visual effects, audio (music, sound effects, ADR), color correction, planning potential reshoots, etc.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 21, 2015, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 21, 2015, 07:59:04 PMI feel like this movie will divide opinions. Some will probably love it, others will probably dislike it.  It's in a difficult position, in that it can't possible please everyone.
Everything divides opinions within this particular fandom. The whole quadralogy is a mixed bag. Many people hate Resurrection, many love Alien 3 and the same number of people hates or dislikes it, there are even fans who say Aliens is crap, I think the only thing we can all agree is that the first Alien was great.

That's why I'm saying, whatever, haters gonna hate.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: NetworkATTH on Feb 21, 2015, 08:56:24 PM
Honestly, what really went wrong is the misunderstanding that the Alien is supposed to be similar to early Paleozoic life forms.Something really primitive, just from another world. I think the transition from that to aesthetically, something that's comparable to how Dracula is seen, is when things started getting, ehh. The alien, as a movie monster construct, is a monster that has generic elements and borrows a lot, but what makes it work is its lifecycle, and its vague appearance as a primitive crustacean of some kind, something you can't really fully make out covered in chitin and metal. The underlying idea is, it's a very primitive animal in the shape of a man, that only thinks about reproduction. Prometheus brought those ideas back a bit, and I'm hopefully seeing a return to that. I'm not saying biomechanic this biomechanic-that, the Alien has those elements but if you go too far that route, you mistake the attempts made on Alien and Aliens.

The point of contention, imo, arises, at the point they stopped considering this in production in Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: stroggificated on Feb 21, 2015, 10:56:44 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 04:24:07 PM
Just saw these on Facebook:

Spoiler
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First i almost thought Ripley 8 starts to transform, mutate or something when i saw the first pictures. i'm not sure which would be weirder.
Why would anyone build a space suit like that? What is the meaning of it? Is this creature the result of a failed biomechanical space suit experiment? Do they want to fool the alien like in zombie movies, where they rub "zombie lotion" into their clothes?
I hope they'd come up with more than a simple >Because we can<.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Le Celticant on Feb 21, 2015, 11:25:36 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 08:04:30 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 21, 2015, 07:31:39 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:41:51 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:31:30 PM
That doesn't mean you can work on multiple project.
Post-production isn't a very engaging one for directors, skype and server exchange with one daily is more than enough.
At least that's the way I've always seen it in the industry.

For a very "hands off" director, maybe.

Oh yeah, I forgot that a very engaged director stay in front of the computer screen for an entire week looking at how much % the shot is rendered  :P

And overseeing editing, visual effects, audio (music, sound effects, ADR), color correction, planning potential reshoots, etc.

That's the producer/major(distributor) work in hollywood you're speaking about not the director.
To see a director do that you must either have James Cameron's gold bawl or simply leave the USA.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 22, 2015, 12:55:34 AM
Quote from: Quarax on Feb 21, 2015, 06:33:11 PM
Louis C.K. wants to die in the movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFJGg_GKts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFJGg_GKts)
The reaction from the crowd at the mention of a new Alien was great. Shows that the "general audience" hasn't forgotten about the franchise.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 22, 2015, 01:39:28 AM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 21, 2015, 11:25:36 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 08:04:30 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 21, 2015, 07:31:39 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 08:41:51 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Feb 20, 2015, 08:31:30 PM
That doesn't mean you can work on multiple project.
Post-production isn't a very engaging one for directors, skype and server exchange with one daily is more than enough.
At least that's the way I've always seen it in the industry.

For a very "hands off" director, maybe.

Oh yeah, I forgot that a very engaged director stay in front of the computer screen for an entire week looking at how much % the shot is rendered  :P

And overseeing editing, visual effects, audio (music, sound effects, ADR), color correction, planning potential reshoots, etc.

That's the producer/major(distributor) work in hollywood you're speaking about not the director.
To see a director do that you must either have James Cameron's gold bawl or simply leave the USA.

Again, maybe for a hands off director, but that's not at all the usual case. Some directors are definitely more involved than others in post, but to not have any role at all is, in a way, to not even direct. It was a big mess of a situation when David Fincher stormed off the set of Alien 3 immediately after production because there was no director to guide the process (not that his guidance was exactly relevant during all of production either, with all of the interference from Fox).

Just listen to the commentary tracks or watch the bonus features for any film, especially one by a director who has a very distinct look/feel to all of his/her projects. One name that immediately comes to mind in terms of big Hollywood filmmakers is Guillermo del Toro. Ridley Scott and Prometheus is another situation that most people on this site should be aware of-- his "butts in seats" mentality is responsible for the choppy structure of a lot of the film, because he as a director made the conscious choice to put relentless pacing on a higher pedestal than a fully informed story. Or, to check out something incredibly relevant to this upcoming Alien film, check out the bonus features for District 9 where you see Blomkmp interacting directly with the audio technicians, the editors, etc.

To direct on the set is good and all, but it's only one area that's actually in need of directing. Post is where the film really comes alive, where all of the elements from set come together and take on their true identity. The producers will definitely come in after and make you change things in most situations, especially in a film with a very big budget/a lot of money on the line, but even then they need to have the director's work to tear into and try to alter.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 22, 2015, 03:48:37 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 21, 2015, 04:24:07 PM
Just saw these on Facebook:

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Those are pretty neat! If the recent comics are anything to go by, it seems like Fox is willing to green-light some interesting new directions for the franchise. It will be divisive, yes, but I would rather that than another stale retreat of a previous entry in the series.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Jaz on Feb 22, 2015, 04:32:00 AM
This is great news!

Though i really hope they dont include any of the original casts. Been far too long now to set the film after any of the films. The actors are far too old looking to get away with it. If it was to be set after Aliens Resurection there would be no WY, earth would be a strange mess that no one could relate to as its so far into the future nothin is recognisable.

IMO Aliens Resurection should be disregarded entirely. It was a bit naff, lets be fair. Too far into the future, cloning and mistakes. Just no!

Id like to see a film about WY Corp going to LV 426 after the events of Alien 3. Ripleys long dead, the space jockey ship is bound to be intact. Id like to see WY actually get hold of a specimen and monumentaly f**k it up like they probably will.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 22, 2015, 05:52:58 AM
Quote from: Jaz on Feb 22, 2015, 04:32:00 AM
Id like to see a film about WY Corp going to LV 426 after the events of Alien 3. Ripleys long dead, the space jockey ship is bound to be intact. Id like to see WY actually get hold of a specimen and monumentaly f**k it up like they probably will.

Problem there is finding a suitable protagonist. Either the company is like a real company, made up of mostly fairly decent human beings, or it becomes a cartoon villain where you've got brain dead security guards, and mad scientists.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 22, 2015, 03:07:06 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 22, 2015, 05:52:58 AM
Problem there is finding a suitable protagonist. Either the company is like a real company, made up of mostly fairly decent human beings, or it becomes a cartoon villain where you've got brain dead security guards, and mad scientists.

Like the guards and scientists aboard the Auriga?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 22, 2015, 03:34:57 PM
Quote from: Jaz on Feb 22, 2015, 04:32:00 AM
Though i really hope they dont include any of the original casts. Been far too long now to set the film after any of the films. The actors are far too old looking to get away with it.

They're too old to potentially play older version of their characters? What's wrong with being old? I don't want Chris Pratt or his ilk (nothing against 'em) in this thing.

QuoteIMO Aliens Resurection should be disregarded entirely.

The only advocate of that film is, I think, Sigourney. The general audience, or most people I know who aren't fans like us, don't care about Alien 3 or 4 or whatever. A great deal of the hype around Blomkamp's pitch was Ripley and Hicks. I get the feeling Blomkamp had this whole story hashed out and wouldn't chase after it because he didn't think Fox would let him contradict 3 or 4 so wildly. I guess the internet changed their minds, as did the success of ventures like X-Men: DOFP.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mike on Feb 22, 2015, 04:21:30 PM
I would like to see The new film take place right after Aliens. Not to dismiss Alien 3 and AR but Ripley ended in A3 and was cloned in AR. Some people like those films myself included but Alien and Aliens had a good thing going for it so I say continue it after Aliens just like the concept art showed. Bring back Ripley and Hicks and create an awsome story line. Together teaming up against the Bugs ! and even bigger ones like Queens and Preatorians and such! As for the title have maybe Alien and a sub title. As for referencing the other 2 films A3 and AR I wouldn't just go right to it from Aliens. Not retconning them just not referring to them like what Predators did as it doesn't totally discount Predator 2 but is a straight up sequel to Predator 1. In the storyline get Weyland Yutani involved somehow as corporate enemy's also what the concept art pictured. Forget about Ripley in A3 and cloned in AR for storyline purposes. Just don't reference them, simple and continue straight from Aliens. That's what I think is most right and most cool to do for the story. :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 22, 2015, 05:48:59 PM
I have been thinking about what I would like the past few days, I will give a brief (and probably hilariously ludacrious) rundown.

1. A3 and AR happened. Deal with it.
2. Morse's book and character have a brief few moments in the film.
3. Does not take place on earth.
4. Does take place outside of Earth's solar system.
5. Ripley is in the film, hopefully as a contributing character and not main.
6. Brief mentions of LV426 and Fiorina161 events are in.
7. Colonial Marines and Space Police (?) are terifficly slaughtered.
8. The xenomorphs are still in costumes, but there probably will be a lot of CGI anyways.
9. Ruins of the terrestrial ship are shown.
10. Space Jockey is shown at end (why I don't know....)

Seems kinda crazy, but those are my wishes for this upcoming film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 22, 2015, 06:12:42 PM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 22, 2015, 05:48:59 PM
1. A3 and AR happened. Deal with it.

*puts on sunglasses* ...Damn!


Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 22, 2015, 05:48:59 PM
8. The xenomorphs are still in costumes, but there probably will be a lot of CGI anyways.

Costumes eh? Like this?

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1068.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu446%2Fopenmaw%2Fbfa9e8e40cbf80e911d580ea876e1eec_zpso0su86ff.jpg&hash=0b5e9b61ebeb69025c0468fc9716502cf93a3a10)

:laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 22, 2015, 06:14:55 PM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 22, 2015, 05:48:59 PM
9. Ruins of the terrestrial ship are shown.

Do you mean extraterrestrial (as in, the Derelict), or something terrestrial, like the ruins of the Auriga on Earth?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 22, 2015, 06:35:01 PM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 22, 2015, 06:12:42 PM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 22, 2015, 05:48:59 PM
1. A3 and AR happened. Deal with it.

*puts on sunglasses* ...Damn!


Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 22, 2015, 05:48:59 PM
8. The xenomorphs are still in costumes, but there probably will be a lot of CGI anyways.

Costumes eh? Like this?

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1068.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu446%2Fopenmaw%2Fbfa9e8e40cbf80e911d580ea876e1eec_zpso0su86ff.jpg&hash=0b5e9b61ebeb69025c0468fc9716502cf93a3a10)

:laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wRHBLwpASw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wRHBLwpASw#ws) 8)

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 22, 2015, 06:14:55 PM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 22, 2015, 05:48:59 PM
9. Ruins of the terrestrial ship are shown.

Do you mean extraterrestrial (as in, the Derelict), or something terrestrial, like the ruins of the Auriga on Earth?
How about both? :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: x-M-x on Feb 22, 2015, 10:47:02 PM
is this confirmed as 'ALIEN 5' or just an ALIEN movie on it's own?

Has Neill exactly said it is ALIEN5 or what?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 22, 2015, 10:53:54 PM
He hasn't said anything, one way or the other. Worth noting is that his Twitter account is following Michael Biehn's, despite Biehn not being active on there in years.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 23, 2015, 12:54:58 AM
Quote from: x-M-x on Feb 22, 2015, 10:47:02 PM
is this confirmed as 'ALIEN 5' or just an ALIEN movie on it's own?

Has Neill exactly said it is ALIEN5 or what?
We're assuming it's 5,because the official statement says it's a sequel to the Alien franchise. That's all we got at the moment. Aside from the leaked concept art.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 23, 2015, 02:04:56 AM
"Sequel to the Alien franchise" is probably to make it clear that it's rooted in ALIEN, not the new offshoot, PROMETHEUS. It might not necessarily be Alien 5. But I imagine they're all hashing it out right now somewhere. It's going to be an interesting year.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Jaz on Feb 23, 2015, 05:10:45 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 22, 2015, 03:34:57 PM
They're too old to potentially play older version of their characters? What's wrong with being old? I don't want Chris Pratt or his ilk (nothing against 'em) in this thing.


How would it work though? She dies in Alien 3 as does hicks. Or if you consider Colonial marines cannon then hicks is alive, but still, how would they explain ripley being alive and well? Slightly more weathered lol.

Better yet how do they explain it without completely selling out and just re-writing the timeline.

Im being a massive hipocrit here as i hope they do that to Aliens Res.

It really is a big pile of shit.

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 23, 2015, 05:23:36 AM
Yeah, people who keep saying Biehn and Weaver are too old haven't been keeping up on their recent outings. Biehn may be up there in years but he's keeping pretty damn active and he's got the energy for it, and Weaver too is still very active and she looks great. They could both tackle it, and I think that would actually garner more weight to their performances.

Even without any particular context I can imagine the scene where their characters are reunited. Ripley, maybe in some kind of a semi delusional state, searching for Newt. She's moving through some kind of a lab, and she hears something rustle behind her. There's a moment of tense silence. Then you hear a familiar voice. "Ripley..." In that same tone as when Hicks asked for Ripley to help when they first found Newt. She turns and their gazes meet.

It could be very powerful from two points of view. The audience having loved those characters for decades, and thematically from within the story. You wouldn't even have to totally debunk A3 and A:R, as those experiences, even if they were reduced to cryogenic nightmares, would be playing Hell on Ripley's psyche.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 23, 2015, 07:19:01 AM
Oh without a doubt both Biehn and Weaver can pull it off. I have no idea where the too old for this crowd is coming from. Make up and roids do wonders.

Quote from: OpenMawEven without any particular context I can imagine the scene where their characters are reunited. Ripley, maybe in some kind of a semi delusional state, searching for Newt. She's moving through some kind of a lab, and she hears something rustle behind her. There's a moment of tense silence. Then you hear a familiar voice. "Ripley..." In that same tone as when Hicks asked for Ripley to help when they first found Newt. She turns and their gazes meet.
Wouldn't it be terrible if at the very end of the 5th movie Ripley wakes up as she's falling into the fire at the end of Alien³.  :laugh:

Still as it is said, we don't even know where this movie is too take place aside form being years after the events of Prometheus 2. How would people feel about a reboot/remake instead of an alien 5?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 23, 2015, 09:03:47 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 20, 2015, 07:12:31 PM
Because Predators, like the AvP movies, couldn't go more than two minutes without paying homage to the older films. There was nothing original about it and it tried to present itself as a fresh product.

Complete over-exaggeration there.

Quote from: predxeno on Feb 20, 2015, 07:48:14 PM
The script is on one of the bonus discs for the Alien Anthology.

Where's that on the disk? I can't recall that at all.


Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 20, 2015, 09:17:16 PM
I wouldn't really call him a "newbie" at this point. This is going to be his fourth film. Anyways, Scott and Fincher were both "newbies" when they made their Alien films.

That was the charm of the first three films. All were relative "newbies". Sure, Jim, had Terminator under his belt by that points but Blomkamp also has District 9 and Elysium under his belt by now.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 23, 2015, 10:55:27 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 23, 2015, 07:19:01 AMOh without a doubt both Biehn and Weaver can pull it off. I have no idea where the too old for this crowd is coming from. Make up and roids do wonders.

I dislike it for the same reason I dislike people clamouring to get Arnie back in Predator - the idea of old people fighting these things is kind of silly. They'll tear you apart when you're young and fit and on the top of your game; to have sixty year olds squaring off against them is comparatively ridiculous.

Of course, it completely depends on how the characters are integrated into the story. But I get the feeling a lot of the pro-RipleyHicks people want to see them going toe-to-toe with the Xenos again.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 23, 2015, 11:33:17 AM
Honestly at the moment I'm having a hard time believing that they can pull off the old Arnie gimmick in TG myself. However, Weaver and Biehn don't have to play an unstoppable machine. Movies always take artistic license in relation to just what a character can and can't do. Just because they are older doesn't mean they have to be portrayed as being old.

Man I really wish they would drop some hints as to what they're thinking of doing. Of course they themselves probably don't know either. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 23, 2015, 01:45:59 PM
If Arnie's back in Predator, it won't be as a main character - he'll have to be the General, the guy dragged out of retirement to be the adviser ("Major Alan Shaeffer - he's one of only two men to have survived contact with the creature...." "What happened to the other guy?"... "He's too old for this shit." (man, this stuff just writes itself)).

All these movies are franchises - they'll want to intro younger cast members to carry the torch forward. If I were writing it, I'd have a ballsy scientist woman called "Ripley" in it - played by Summer Glau. Just to watch the internet burn.

AlienV is a little different - Xenos aren't intelligent, they're not hunting for sport and they don't go mano a mano, they're hive creatures, you mow them down with pulse rifles. I don't think the emphasis in the aliens films has ever been on a physical confrontation with the creatures where as Predator always ends up in a face off.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 01:47:53 PM
Heres how it should go to warrant a great successful Alien movie/sequel.

1) A direct sequel to ALIENS

2) Don't reference A3 and AR for storyline purposes

3) Don't reference Prometheus 1 and 2 as it wasn't widely received well by the general audience

4) By not referencing A3 and Ar doesn't mean your retconning them but for strictly storyline purposes only so everyone wins if they liked those films ( I'm one of them myself). Similar to how Predators was a direct sequel to Predator but it didn't reference Predator 2 for storyline purposes but it doesn't 100% ignore the film either according to the director himself Nimrod Antal.

5) Get Sig and Beihn back to kick some Alien ass in a awesome new storyline as exactly what the concept designs showed. Have them fight Queens and other types.

6) Somehow get Weyland-Yutani invalid as enemys that Ripley and Hicks also have to deal with in the middle of the aliens

7) Throw in few androids as well.

8) The film should pick up were Ripley Hicks Bishop are in the drop ship, Newt unless they will replace the actress because she probably won't come back and they end up leaving Newt on Earth and then flying back to a different colony that was also infected with hundredths of eggs and xenomorphs all increasing in this infestation. knowing the info at hand Ripley and and Hicks want to wipe them out together. As well as Weyland-Yutani already there as enemys scavenging the area as they know what happen to it. For whatever reason and something happens to the ship and Ripley and Hicks Bishop can't return to earth. For storyline purposes they have a lil more ammunition then in the end of Aliens but have to create a lot more in time to survive this threat from the xenos. This would be an AMAZING Alien movie. You just need a script along these lines. The Key here is strictly a direct sequel to ALIENS as ALIEN and ALIENS had a great thing going for it. In the end your not retconning anything even the ACM game for the sake of fans not liking it but simply just not referencing them for storyline purposes.   
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 02:00:49 PM
But having Ripley, Hicks, and cNewt running around, even if Alien 3 isn't mentioned, retcons the film out of existence just by having them alive.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 03:09:51 PM
Well you have a point but ok even if it does retcon A3 & AR and if it turns out to be great, it would probably be better than both those films combined. But as it is now Alien 5 is suppose to be a sequel including Prometheus. But I don't think those should combine in story. I like Prometheus 1 and 2 more of a spin-off than being canon. Even though Prometheus 1 is a prequel to Alien. But the way Neill Blomkamp showed the concept art of Ripley and Hicks scarred face ready to do battle seems like he is going to work off of Aliens.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BonesawT101 on Feb 23, 2015, 03:14:09 PM
If retconning wasn't an option then the only way possible to make an alien movie with ripley, Hicks etc would be to set it between aliens and alien 3 I suppose(which may in turn explain why their is an egg on the sulaco). Obviously Weaver looks older now than what she did in alien 3 but does that really matter? not to me. Although I would like to add that if they retcon 3 and 4 I don't mind at all, I would almost encourage it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 23, 2015, 03:40:37 PM
I hope Blomkamp gets Syd Mead to do the vehicle/spaceship designs. He previously hired Mead to work on Elysium so they already know each other.

If Hicks and Ripley do return could we also see the return of Bishop (even as a different model)?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 03:48:36 PM
Oooh, never even thought of Mead. Yes, please!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 03:57:30 PM
Ok, there is something that is very concerning in this article:

http://www.scified.com/site/alien5/neill-blomkamps-alien-5-to-take-place-after-prometheus-2-and-also-be-produced-by-ridley-scott (http://www.scified.com/site/alien5/neill-blomkamps-alien-5-to-take-place-after-prometheus-2-and-also-be-produced-by-ridley-scott)

Specifically the below quote:

Originally, based off of Neill's concept artwork, the setting for his Alien 5 supposedly takes place between the events of James Cameron's Aliens and David Fincher's Alien 3.

I certainly hope this is just conjecture.  I can't imagine anything dumber than trying to fit old Hicks and old Ripley in between Aliens and Alien 3.  Talk about squeezing out a story where none belongs.  It reeks of Alien: Out of the Shadows.  Ultimately it would mean that anything good that possibly happens to Hicks and Ripley in Alien V will ultimately just be rendered moot in Alien 3.  So why bother?  Why cheer for characters that will just die?

I say they should either do away with Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection or make them into Ripley's bad dreams.  The theme of dreams and monitoring of dreams (Prometheus) is already prevalent in the Aliens mythos...

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 03:59:22 PM
Yeah, that's conjecture. Their source (Variety) says nothing at all about Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: BonesawT101 on Feb 23, 2015, 04:11:40 PM
wow, looks like I was close with my pitch.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 04:11:50 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 03:59:22 PM
Yeah, that's conjecture. Their source (Variety) says nothing at all about Alien 3.

Thank the Engineers!  Hope you're right...

I think fans pro and against a retcon would not want an insert in between Aliens and Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 23, 2015, 04:13:33 PM
Quote from: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 01:47:53 PM
Heres how it should go to warrant a great successful Alien movie/sequel.

1) A direct sequel to ALIENS

2) Don't reference A3 and AR for storyline purposes

3) Don't reference Prometheus 1 and 2 as it wasn't widely received well by the general audience

4) By not referencing A3 and Ar doesn't mean your retconning them but for strictly storyline purposes only so everyone wins if they liked those films ( I'm one of them myself). Similar to how Predators was a direct sequel to Predator but it didn't reference Predator 2 for storyline purposes but it doesn't 100% ignore the film either according to the director himself Nimrod Antal.

5) Get Sig and Beihn back to kick some Alien ass in a awesome new storyline as exactly what the concept designs showed. Have them fight Queens and other types.

6) Somehow get Weyland-Yutani invalid as enemys that Ripley and Hicks also have to deal with in the middle of the aliens

7) Throw in few androids as well.

8) The film should pick up were Ripley Hicks Bishop are in the drop ship, Newt unless they will replace the actress because she probably won't come back and they end up leaving Newt on Earth and then flying back to a different colony that was also infected with hundredths of eggs and xenomorphs all increasing in this infestation. knowing the info at hand Ripley and and Hicks want to wipe them out together. As well as Weyland-Yutani already there as enemys scavenging the area as they know what happen to it. For whatever reason and something happens to the ship and Ripley and Hicks Bishop can't return to earth. For storyline purposes they have a lil more ammunition then in the end of Aliens but have to create a lot more in time to survive this threat from the xenos. This would be an AMAZING Alien movie. You just need a script along these lines. The Key here is strictly a direct sequel to ALIENS as ALIEN and ALIENS had a great thing going for it. In the end your not retconning anything even the ACM game for the sake of fans not liking it but simply just not referencing them for storyline purposes.

^ I like this.  They could even say that Ripley/Hicks tried to live normal lives for a decade or so after ALIENS, and then have to go back to fighting Xenos after finding out that WY have started to bio-engineer them.  That could explain their older age.  Plus, it would be a great chance to flush out WY and show them more in depth.  Imagine WY has found the destroyed Derelict and pieced it back together and found Xeno-DNA.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 04:15:45 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCPQFxl07AovwHaXECErMwsZqLS_Y_N7-jf8lNdPcMCFo0qfRb)

Bingo! Xeno-DNA!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 04:16:08 PM
Adam 802, that would be the perfect storyline.  You could even throw in an older whack-job Newt at some point along the lines of the first Aliens comic book series by Mark Verheiden...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 23, 2015, 05:00:46 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 23, 2015, 07:19:01 AM
Quote from: OpenMawEven without any particular context I can imagine the scene where their characters are reunited. Ripley, maybe in some kind of a semi delusional state, searching for Newt. She's moving through some kind of a lab, and she hears something rustle behind her. There's a moment of tense silence. Then you hear a familiar voice. "Ripley..." In that same tone as when Hicks asked for Ripley to help when they first found Newt. She turns and their gazes meet.
Wouldn't it be terrible if at the very end of the 5th movie Ripley wakes up as she's falling into the fire at the end of Alien³.  :laugh:
:laugh: :'( :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 23, 2015, 07:56:28 PM
Quote from: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 01:47:53 PM
Heres how it should go to warrant a great successful Alien movie/sequel.

1) A direct sequel to ALIENS

2) Don't reference A3 and AR for storyline purposes

3) Don't reference Prometheus 1 and 2 as it wasn't widely received well by the general audience

4) By not referencing A3 and Ar doesn't mean your retconning them but for strictly storyline purposes only so everyone wins if they liked those films ( I'm one of them myself). Similar to how Predators was a direct sequel to Predator but it didn't reference Predator 2 for storyline purposes but it doesn't 100% ignore the film either according to the director himself Nimrod Antal.

5) Get Sig and Beihn back to kick some Alien ass in a awesome new storyline as exactly what the concept designs showed. Have them fight Queens and other types.

6) Somehow get Weyland-Yutani invalid as enemys that Ripley and Hicks also have to deal with in the middle of the aliens

7) Throw in few androids as well.

8) The film should pick up were Ripley Hicks Bishop are in the drop ship, Newt unless they will replace the actress because she probably won't come back and they end up leaving Newt on Earth and then flying back to a different colony that was also infected with hundredths of eggs and xenomorphs all increasing in this infestation. knowing the info at hand Ripley and and Hicks want to wipe them out together. As well as Weyland-Yutani already there as enemys scavenging the area as they know what happen to it. For whatever reason and something happens to the ship and Ripley and Hicks Bishop can't return to earth. For storyline purposes they have a lil more ammunition then in the end of Aliens but have to create a lot more in time to survive this threat from the xenos. This would be an AMAZING Alien movie. You just need a script along these lines. The Key here is strictly a direct sequel to ALIENS as ALIEN and ALIENS had a great thing going for it. In the end your not retconning anything even the ACM game for the sake of fans not liking it but simply just not referencing them for storyline purposes.

Thanks god you are not a movie writer...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 23, 2015, 08:00:13 PM
People, keep in mind that everything concretely official we have so far is:

-Blomkamp's concept art;
-Blomkamp's confirmation;
-The short press release.

Everything else is just conjecture.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 08:06:19 PM
Arrrrgh!!  We need more information!!  Why has Michael Biehn gone silent?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 08:12:30 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 08:06:19 PM
Arrrrgh!!  We need more information!!  Why has Michael Biehn gone silent?

Shame over Scorpion King 4, maybe?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 08:49:54 PM
Or planning Scorpion King 5!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 08:55:25 PM
Y u no make real sequel rock :'(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 09:14:03 PM
If they spin the Scorpion King off of the Mummy reboot maybe he'll come back. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 09:20:52 PM
There's now more Scorpion King movies than Mummy movies from that franchise... Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 09:25:07 PM
And I've never seen any of them, not even the Mummy films. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 09:26:34 PM
Blomkamp to make new Mummy movie retconning the third one pls.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 09:28:29 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 09:26:34 PM
Blomkamp to make new Mummy movie retconning the third one pls.

Why, did the 3rd film derail the main story in the franchise and have a generally bad reception?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 09:44:22 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 09:28:29 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 23, 2015, 09:26:34 PM
Blomkamp to make new Mummy movie retconning the third one pls.

Why, did the 3rd film derail the main story in the franchise and have a generally bad reception?

Yep, more or less. The characters were all screwed up, and there was a very poor recast. And Jet Li was wasted, turning into an awful CG Ghidorah, among other things.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 09:49:38 PM
Hopefully Blomkamp knows the right direction to go in. I would definitely lead off from Aliens. In the end in order for the script to work it's going to have to retcon A3 and AR. Who cares, as long as it's a great film. I just want to see another Alien film with Cameron's atmosphere style and Ridleys scarieness feel to it. Hopefully Blomkamp can pull it off. This is so cool to see another Alien film
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 09:53:45 PM
Quote from: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 09:49:38 PM
Hopefully Blomkamp knows the right direction to go in. I would definitely lead off from Aliens. In the end in order for the script to work it's going to have to retcon A3 and AR. Who cares, as long as it's a great film. I just want to see another Alien film with Cameron's atmosphere style and Ridleys scarieness feel to it. Hopefully Blomkamp can pull it off. This is so cool to see another Alien film

Couldn't agree more.  But is so easy to screw it up.  Blomkamp is not Cameron...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 10:29:41 PM
I was just watching Alien last night, wow! What an intense and scary film. The kill scenes to Ripley being alone and trying to override Mothers Cooling unit back on. Then running in that intense scene saying You! Bitch! And the whole sound alarms going off. Just an awsome classic. This Alien movie could rival Aliens all the away. Both Amazing films in there own right. But Alien is just too cool. I am happy to own the Anthology Bluray set.
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Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 24, 2015, 02:10:20 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 04:15:45 PM
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Bingo! Xeno-DNA!
Dude I swear you read my mind half the time lol

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 09:25:07 PM
And I've never seen any of them, not even the Mummy films. :P
For shame. I'm quite fond of the first two. Saw them at the movies when they were released. Third one too...but the disappointment.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 24, 2015, 03:15:25 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 23, 2015, 09:25:07 PM
And I've never seen any of them, not even the Mummy films. :P

Oh, dude. You gotta watch The Mummy. It is so much fun.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 24, 2015, 04:24:36 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 09:53:45 PM
Quote from: Mike on Feb 23, 2015, 09:49:38 PM
Hopefully Blomkamp knows the right direction to go in. I would definitely lead off from Aliens. In the end in order for the script to work it's going to have to retcon A3 and AR. Who cares, as long as it's a great film. I just want to see another Alien film with Cameron's atmosphere style and Ridleys scarieness feel to it. Hopefully Blomkamp can pull it off. This is so cool to see another Alien film

Couldn't agree more.  But is so easy to screw it up.  Blomkamp is not Cameron...

That is one blessing for sure.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 04:46:28 AM
So just wondering, do we really need a Sharlto Copley and Michael Biehn thread, or can those get merged with the casting thread?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 24, 2015, 04:48:59 AM
Fokin' Copley could fill a thread of his own.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 04:54:45 AM
Fookin xenos!

Hicks always wanded a wof.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 24, 2015, 04:59:32 AM
Jess cud neva settil dun. Ripley makes him wanna settil dun.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 05:08:38 AM
Even if you weren't completely sold on Elysium, I'm glad your loving Kruger. :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 24, 2015, 05:10:37 AM
Needed to use the sword more.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 05:16:39 AM
Gotta get that GTA-esque spinoff movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 24, 2015, 05:31:55 AM
He'd basically be Trevor from GTA V. :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 08:29:32 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 23, 2015, 03:57:30 PM
"Originally, based off of Neill's concept artwork, the setting for his Alien 5 supposedly takes place between the events of James Cameron's Aliens and David Fincher's Alien 3. "

I certainly hope this is just conjecture. 

I wouldn't worry. It's just conjecture.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 08:37:38 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Feb 24, 2015, 04:48:59 AMFokin' Copley could fill a thread of his own.

The sweetie man is here!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 24, 2015, 09:31:23 AM
"Originally, based off of Neill's concept artwork, the setting for his Alien 5 supposedly takes place between the events of James Cameron's Aliens and David Fincher's Alien 3."

Dare I say it, that would work.

It could explain the infamous egg and the cryotubes.

The only problem would be the wounds on Hicks.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 09:32:58 AM
"And then they forgot it!"
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 24, 2015, 09:35:37 AM
SiL you talking about the egg?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 09:36:56 AM
Any story set between the two films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 24, 2015, 09:38:13 AM
Depends.

In Alien 3 she only vaguely talks about her past experiences.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 09:39:31 AM
She refers to the last two times towards the end. "First it was crew expendable..."
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 09:40:49 AM
What about the fact the actors are suddenly almost thirty years older, then magically regress in age again? Weaver still looks good for her age, but Beihn? Not so much...

Or are you suggesting we recast them? No thanks.

Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 09:32:58 AM"And then they forgot it!"

Yeah, I don't buy it either.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 09:44:12 AM
As much as I enjoyed Out of the Shadows, I think that particular reset button damaged that book enough. I don't want to see that trope in  the film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 24, 2015, 09:55:17 AM
Yeah I've just woken up properly, I'm out of bed and now I've had my tea. That concept doesn't work at all.

To myself...

"WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!"

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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 24, 2015, 10:04:00 AM
How about we just retcon the ending of alien³?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 10:18:36 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 24, 2015, 10:04:00 AM
How about we just retcon the ending of alien³?

I just thought, reading another thread, you could do that. You could say that Alien3 was Morse's re-telling of it. That gives you a "Ripley Lives" way out. Doesn't get past battle scarred Hicks, though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 24, 2015, 10:36:54 AM
Nah hicks and newt are dead. However there is another route that would be a hybrid of the retcon dream route and give Ripley a chance to say I told you guys so without removing Alien³ or A|R. Just retcon the very ending of Alien³ by making that a dream sequence. The way I see it, lets say she got darted and fell instantly asleep on the platform? This could be made to make sense since not much of the events that happen make sense. Bishops real life dad shows up and has red blood? That would only happen in a dream. Aaron growing some balls when all he wants to do all movie is go home? Highly unlikely. That fake ass dream like fire she falls into? In the theatrical cut the alien pops out but she is in no pain? Dreamy. This would also not run afoul of A|R. I say they tranquilized her ass, took it out of her (thus blood sample for A|R) some how cured her but it took 20 years to do. This explains her age and naturally the company screws it up big time and she has to now solve their problem which leads them to being bought out by f**king walmart. Morse? He's f**king insane, maybe so much so he shared the same dream she had.

Not trying to piss off the Alien³ fans but something has to give. Putting the movie in between Aliens and Alien³ couldn't possibly make any damn sense.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 10:54:20 AM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 10:18:36 AMI just thought, reading another thread, you could do that. You could say that Alien3 was Morse's re-telling of it. That gives you a "Ripley Lives" way out. Doesn't get past battle scarred Hicks, though.

Except there's no logical reason or motivation for Morse to lie about her being dead.

If you're gonna scrap the third film, just outright scrap it. Any workarounds are just going to be silly and/or contrived.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 24, 2015, 11:31:45 AM
They should make an A|R sequel but that doesn't seem to be what they want to do. A full retcon is a terrible idea. I say they need to do just enough to make the movie fit in... yea sure, that's what they did with the egg on the sulaco... and look where it got us. I know. :P

Just as long as there is no time travel everything will work out.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 11:35:13 AM
There's no logical reason for the facehugger in Alien3 either - that's silly and contrived making the entire reason that the characters died silly and contrived?

It seems illogical to me that you are willing to accept a magic facehugger, but not accept the hypersleep tropes that are set up and (if you accept that Prometheus takes place in the 'verse / is a sidequel) and use those? I think that is far more acceptable and raises far fewer questions (story-wise) than just asking people to pretend the other movies didn't happen. Star Trek did a good job of that, using Trek logic against the outraged Trekkies (the alternate timeline was logical in that universe - and I thought it was a stroke of genius - because it uses a medium already set up in the previously established shows).

You don't like the hypersleep dreaming is one thing, but you can't handwave it out of the park because you don't like it. I believe that the general movie going public would be far more accepting of that version (they accepted the magic facehugger, after all).
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 11:49:47 AM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 11:35:13 AM
There's no logical reason for the facehugger in Alien3 either - that's silly and contrived making the entire reason that the characters died silly and contrived?

There's an entirely logical reason for the face-hugger aboard the ship. The Queen was present. The Queen makes eggs. Eggs contains face-huggers. The problem lies in how they showed the egg/face-hugger.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 11:51:45 AM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 11:35:13 AMYou don't like the hypersleep dreaming is one thing, but you can't handwave it out of the park because you don't like it.

How many times do Hicks and I have to say it? It's not that we don't like it. It's that it's an incredibly cheap story device. Like I said before, I was taught in primary school never to use it, because it's cheap and unintelligent.

And as for the magic egg, I'd argue undoing one cheap plot point with another is even less intelligent.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 24, 2015, 12:03:53 PM
They don't need it to handwave it as a dream; if they do ignore it, they simply will.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 24, 2015, 12:06:14 PM
I hate that superfacehugger. They should have just stuck to two regular ones.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 11:49:47 AM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 11:35:13 AM
There's no logical reason for the facehugger in Alien3 either - that's silly and contrived making the entire reason that the characters died silly and contrived?

There's an entirely logical reason for the face-hugger aboard the ship. The Queen was present. The Queen makes eggs. Eggs contains face-huggers. The problem lies in how they showed the egg/face-hugger.
*looks around to see if the exit doors are clear*

Bishop did it!

Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 24, 2015, 12:03:53 PM
They don't need it to handwave it as a dream; if they do ignore it, they simply will.
You really think alien³ and AR deserve the superman 3 and 4 treatment? That seems like it would leave a bad taste in a lot of mouths.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 12:10:56 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 11:49:47 AM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 11:35:13 AM
There's no logical reason for the facehugger in Alien3 either - that's silly and contrived making the entire reason that the characters died silly and contrived?

There's an entirely logical reason for the face-hugger aboard the ship. The Queen was present. The Queen makes eggs. Eggs contains face-huggers. The problem lies in how they showed the egg/face-hugger.

Which makes it conjecture, surely. There was nothing even hinted at that this had happened - everyone remembers the egg chamber being destroyed and the egg sac getting ripped off. No one remembers the queen quickly laying an egg and popping it in the corner whilst Ripley was gearing up in her powerloader (and even if the Queen did do that, why wasn't the egg sucked out of the airlock?). Not for me, Hicks, sorry man.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 11:51:45 AM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 11:35:13 AMYou don't like the hypersleep dreaming is one thing, but you can't handwave it out of the park because you don't like it.

How many times do Hicks and I have to say it? It's not that we don't like it. It's that it's an incredibly cheap story device. Like I said before, I was taught in primary school never to use it, because it's cheap and unintelligent.

And as for the magic egg, I'd argue undoing one cheap plot point with another is even less intelligent.

And how many times do I have to say that if you using the tropes set up in your universe that are perfectly logical - within that universe - is a better solution that just coming out with a marketing campaign that says "forget the last two, they were shit."

They may well do the latter, but the former works - we've seen it, we know it happens. They even say at the end of Aliens that they both can dream - the fact that Ripley's entire motivation for going to LV-426 is that she has really bad nightmares. Unless she wasn't having a nightmare before she called Burke, she was clutching her chest because she had a bad case of heartburn. Essentially, we can explain it all away as Ripley's Indigestion.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
If only we could handwave all the people who think "It was all a dream!" is anything other than the laziest get-out-of-jail free card out of here too...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:16 PM
Yup. It'd be ridiculous, and incredibly convoluted, if they went that route.

If you're going to retcon, retcon. Do it with a little dignity though. Don't try to please everybody and then slap them in the face by saying it was all a dream.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 12:10:56 PM
Which makes it conjecture, surely. There was nothing even hinted at that this had happened - everyone remembers the egg chamber being destroyed and the egg sac getting ripped off. No one remembers the queen quickly laying an egg and popping it in the corner whilst Ripley was gearing up in her powerloader (and even if the Queen did do that, why wasn't the egg sucked out of the airlock?). Not for me, Hicks, sorry man.

Which is why I say it's the placement that's the issue. If they'd have made it clear that it was in the dropship somewhere instead...or not stuck upside down. Or that a face-hugger had hitched a ride on the Queen from the Hive and omitted the egg completely. The sound of the face-hugger crawling is even in the credits of Aliens.

It's really not that much of a stretch. And it'd be nice if that sequence was reworked in any future Assembly Cuts.

QuoteAnd how many times do I have to say that if you using the tropes set up in your universe that are perfectly logical - within that universe - is a better solution that just coming out with a marketing campaign that says "forget the last two, they were shit."

They may well do the latter, but the former works - we've seen it, we know it happens. They even say at the end of Aliens that they both can dream - the fact that Ripley's entire motivation for going to LV-426 is that she has really bad nightmares. Unless she wasn't having a nightmare before she called Burke, she was clutching her chest because she had a bad case of heartburn. Essentially, we can explain it all away as Ripley's Indigestion.

As I keep saying, it's conceivable. Entirely. As far back at Alien the notion of recording dreams or viewing dreams has been mentioned. It's just cheap. It's poor story writing. It is the worse trope of writing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 01:22:57 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
If only we could handwave all the people who think "It was all a dream!" is anything other than the laziest get-out-of-jail free card out of here too...

But not as lazy as ad hominem side-swipes.  ::)

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:16 PM
Yup. It'd be ridiculous, and incredibly convoluted, if they went that route.

If you're going to retcon, retcon. Do it with a little dignity though. Don't try to please everybody and then slap them in the face by saying it was all a dream.

I'm all for that. How? I'd be all for a really elegant solution that isn't Ripley's Indigestion - but I really can't think of one. I really liked that "The Evil Pred" idea that did have Ripley's Indigestion, only it was induced by Wey-Yu, running different scenarios - it was more thought out than that, but that's the gist of it.

Is it any less of a slap in the face to say "nah, don't worry, didn't happen." I genuinely think that that would confuse the vast majority (I don't have analytics to back that up of course, so conjecture), but for me, if (the huge IF) this is a retcon, they have to explain it somehow.

I can't think of a better way and in reading threads and threads and threads and threads, no one else on here can either. Or if they have, I've missed it - but I'm all ears (or more accurately - eyes), I would love there to be a consistent, logical and smarter way of explaining it.

I can see them doing a 'Returns... but for me that doesn't fit with this universe at all. But that's only my opinion ... maybe they will!

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
Which is why I say it's the placement that's the issue. If they'd have made it clear that it was in the dropship somewhere instead...or not stuck upside down. Or that a face-hugger had hitched a ride on the Queen from the Hive and omitted the egg completely. The sound of the face-hugger crawling is even in the credits of Aliens.

It's really not that much of a stretch. And it'd be nice if that sequence was reworked in any future Assembly Cuts.

No it's not a stretch at all, and I wish they had done that with the last Assembly Cut to be honest. It would have been really easy for them to do so. But they didn't - so all we have to go on is what we assume to be the case (which is entirely reasonable), but if we're going on "facts" such as they are, it doesn't stand up. Which was sort of my point to HuDa - if the Indigestion scenario is bad, it's no worse than the magic faceugger in a film that some are defending and want to keep as canon over and above a retcon.

I often read "for all its faults" about Alien3 - for me, this was the biggest one of all, the whole film hinges on something the audience has to assume has happened. Well, that and the other stuff I've been ranting on about, but all that hinges on the facehugger. No facehugger, no accident. No Alien3 for that matter! (Thinking about it, they REALLY should have done something with an Aliens cut to explain it!).

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM

As I keep saying, it's conceivable. Entirely. As far back at Alien the notion of recording dreams or viewing dreams has been mentioned. It's just cheap. It's poor story writing. It is the worse trope of writing.

It may well be, but we agree it's conceivable and it fits. It's by far the neatest solution (if, if, if etc). A few cuts, some digital youthening (what should that word be? Making them look younger...?) in the cryo tube... bang. Its done.

I've said all along - its not ideal, but its logical and I feel better than adopting the 'Returns approach.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 01:33:20 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 01:22:57 PMIt's by far the neatest solution (if, if, if etc).

No it isn't. Just ignoring them altogether is neatest.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2015, 02:05:40 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 01:22:57 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
If only we could handwave all the people who think "It was all a dream!" is anything other than the laziest get-out-of-jail free card out of here too...

But not as lazy as ad hominem side-swipes.  ::)

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:16 PM
Yup. It'd be ridiculous, and incredibly convoluted, if they went that route.

If you're going to retcon, retcon. Do it with a little dignity though. Don't try to please everybody and then slap them in the face by saying it was all a dream.

I'm all for that. How? I'd be all for a really elegant solution that isn't Ripley's Indigestion - but I really can't think of one. I really liked that "The Evil Pred" idea that did have Ripley's Indigestion, only it was induced by Wey-Yu, running different scenarios - it was more thought out than that, but that's the gist of it.

Is it any less of a slap in the face to say "nah, don't worry, didn't happen." I genuinely think that that would confuse the vast majority (I don't have analytics to back that up of course, so conjecture), but for me, if (the huge IF) this is a retcon, they have to explain it somehow.

I can't think of a better way and in reading threads and threads and threads and threads, no one else on here can either. Or if they have, I've missed it - but I'm all ears (or more accurately - eyes), I would love there to be a consistent, logical and smarter way of explaining it.

I can see them doing a 'Returns... but for me that doesn't fit with this universe at all. But that's only my opinion ... maybe they will!

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
Which is why I say it's the placement that's the issue. If they'd have made it clear that it was in the dropship somewhere instead...or not stuck upside down. Or that a face-hugger had hitched a ride on the Queen from the Hive and omitted the egg completely. The sound of the face-hugger crawling is even in the credits of Aliens.

It's really not that much of a stretch. And it'd be nice if that sequence was reworked in any future Assembly Cuts.

No it's not a stretch at all, and I wish they had done that with the last Assembly Cut to be honest. It would have been really easy for them to do so. But they didn't - so all we have to go on is what we assume to be the case (which is entirely reasonable), but if we're going on "facts" such as they are, it doesn't stand up. Which was sort of my point to HuDa - if the Indigestion scenario is bad, it's no worse than the magic faceugger in a film that some are defending and want to keep as canon over and above a retcon.

I often read "for all its faults" about Alien3 - for me, this was the biggest one of all, the whole film hinges on something the audience has to assume has happened. Well, that and the other stuff I've been ranting on about, but all that hinges on the facehugger. No facehugger, no accident. No Alien3 for that matter! (Thinking about it, they REALLY should have done something with an Aliens cut to explain it!).

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM

As I keep saying, it's conceivable. Entirely. As far back at Alien the notion of recording dreams or viewing dreams has been mentioned. It's just cheap. It's poor story writing. It is the worse trope of writing.

It may well be, but we agree it's conceivable and it fits. It's by far the neatest solution (if, if, if etc). A few cuts, some digital youthening (what should that word be? Making them look younger...?) in the cryo tube... bang. Its done.

I've said all along - its not ideal, but its logical and I feel better than adopting the 'Returns approach.

As well as the magic facehugger, we also had to buy the theory that the previously sensible/intelligent Ripley (with the self-preservation skills she's honed over the two films) wouldn't check for eggs/facehuggers/Xeno's considering she's just come face to face with a f***ing stowaway Queen! Kind of makes it hard to invest in a film when you have the main character having to act so completely out of character just to justify it's existence...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 02:09:20 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 24, 2015, 02:05:40 PMAs well as the magic facehugger, we also had to buy the theory that the previously sensible/intelligent Ripley (with the self-preservation skills she's honed over the two films) wouldn't check for eggs/facehuggers/Xeno's considering she's just come face to face with a f***ing stowaway Queen!

The Sulaco's a damn big ship and she's not exactly familiar with it.

But of course, that then raises the problem of how the egg could possibly get to somewhere Ripley couldn't easily check. I imagine she would have searched the dropship, so it couldn't realistically be there.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 02:15:39 PM
Just get rid of the egg, insert a shot of the hugger crawling up the Queen. Insert a shot of hugger crawling away, Rippers and Queen fighting in the background.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2015, 02:41:51 PM
I'm sticking to my theory that the Queen literally has an emergency facehugger attached to her body that detaches itself whenever the Queen is in mortal danger.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 24, 2015, 02:56:20 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2015, 02:41:51 PM
I'm sticking to my theory fiction that the Queen literally has an emergency facehugger attached to her body that detaches itself whenever the Queen is in mortal danger.

Fixed that for you.

It's a shame that fans have been driven to flat out invent things to make sense of the film, but we're not left with much choice are we?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2015, 02:57:26 PM
Considering the film is a mess, we don't have a choice.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Lamal on Feb 24, 2015, 03:57:13 PM
Let it take place after Ressurection. Closure to the film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Master on Feb 24, 2015, 03:57:55 PM
I`m sticking with emergency egg. Queen is one big mamma, it isn`t so impossible she has an undeveloped egg in her uterus (or whatever she has insted).

But changing the scene in future cut to superfacehugger hiding somewhere would be best solution. Oh and remove ox and add dog in assembly cut (burst scene) and we are home.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: Lamal on Feb 24, 2015, 03:57:13 PM
Let it take place after Ressurection. Closure to the film.

Indeed. Completely agree.

Quote from: Master on Feb 24, 2015, 03:57:55 PM
But changing the scene in future cut to superfacehugger hiding somewhere would be best solution. Oh and remove ox and add dog in assembly cut (burst scene) and we are home.

And also completely agree.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 24, 2015, 04:16:27 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 01:22:57 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
If only we could handwave all the people who think "It was all a dream!" is anything other than the laziest get-out-of-jail free card out of here too...

But not as lazy as ad hominem side-swipes.  ::)

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:16 PM
Yup. It'd be ridiculous, and incredibly convoluted, if they went that route.

If you're going to retcon, retcon. Do it with a little dignity though. Don't try to please everybody and then slap them in the face by saying it was all a dream.

I'm all for that. How? I'd be all for a really elegant solution that isn't Ripley's Indigestion - but I really can't think of one. I really liked that "The Evil Pred" idea that did have Ripley's Indigestion, only it was induced by Wey-Yu, running different scenarios - it was more thought out than that, but that's the gist of it.

Is it any less of a slap in the face to say "nah, don't worry, didn't happen." I genuinely think that that would confuse the vast majority (I don't have analytics to back that up of course, so conjecture), but for me, if (the huge IF) this is a retcon, they have to explain it somehow.

I can't think of a better way and in reading threads and threads and threads and threads, no one else on here can either. Or if they have, I've missed it - but I'm all ears (or more accurately - eyes), I would love there to be a consistent, logical and smarter way of explaining it.

I can see them doing a 'Returns... but for me that doesn't fit with this universe at all. But that's only my opinion ... maybe they will!

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
Which is why I say it's the placement that's the issue. If they'd have made it clear that it was in the dropship somewhere instead...or not stuck upside down. Or that a face-hugger had hitched a ride on the Queen from the Hive and omitted the egg completely. The sound of the face-hugger crawling is even in the credits of Aliens.

It's really not that much of a stretch. And it'd be nice if that sequence was reworked in any future Assembly Cuts.

No it's not a stretch at all, and I wish they had done that with the last Assembly Cut to be honest. It would have been really easy for them to do so. But they didn't - so all we have to go on is what we assume to be the case (which is entirely reasonable), but if we're going on "facts" such as they are, it doesn't stand up. Which was sort of my point to HuDa - if the Indigestion scenario is bad, it's no worse than the magic faceugger in a film that some are defending and want to keep as canon over and above a retcon.

I often read "for all its faults" about Alien3 - for me, this was the biggest one of all, the whole film hinges on something the audience has to assume has happened. Well, that and the other stuff I've been ranting on about, but all that hinges on the facehugger. No facehugger, no accident. No Alien3 for that matter! (Thinking about it, they REALLY should have done something with an Aliens cut to explain it!).

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM

As I keep saying, it's conceivable. Entirely. As far back at Alien the notion of recording dreams or viewing dreams has been mentioned. It's just cheap. It's poor story writing. It is the worse trope of writing.

It may well be, but we agree it's conceivable and it fits. It's by far the neatest solution (if, if, if etc). A few cuts, some digital youthening (what should that word be? Making them look younger...?) in the cryo tube... bang. Its done.

I've said all along - its not ideal, but its logical and I feel better than adopting the 'Returns approach.
I completely agree.

I wasn't too sure if and how I wanted A3 and A|R retconned, but I do think the dream manipulation is the best course. Cheap? Lazy? Maybe. It's far better than just ignoring the movies. They deserve to at LEAST exist in Ripley's imagination.

What comes to mind are stasis pods similar to the ones in Prometheus. Two at each side, with an android each working on them. In one pod you see the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection unfolding, Ripley's worst nightmares. Losing Hicks and Newt. Carrying an alien in her. A queen no less. Actually BECOMING part Alien in a cloning expirement. Her sorrow over losing both a biological and surrogate daughter summons a third "child" that is an even more grotesque human/alien hybrid than herself. Yet she has to lose this one as well, by her hands.

In the other pod, you see the events of Colonial Marines unfolding. Hicks' nightmare. (And all of ours as well :P) Still bound to Acheron. Prisoner of the company. Still fighting the xenos. With even more menacing variations. And although his outlook is more positive in that he escapes in the end, he never finds Ripley or Newt again.

The company for some reason trying to influence different outcomes and decisions during these subconscious invasions.

Yeah. It sounds pretty cheesy at times. But I could swallow this. For the sake of a good story. If the story sucks, well then it would just pile on and make it all that much worse. But for now I believe Blomkamp has something great in mind that would be worth the risk.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 24, 2015, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
If only we could handwave all the people who think "It was all a dream!" is anything other than the laziest get-out-of-jail free card out of here too...
+1


Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2015, 02:57:26 PM
Considering the film is a mess, we don't have a choice.

Im sure there is another thread for this, but the magic egg does not bother me at all. It's a classic macguffin. You don't need to know where the egg came from, is just there.

I mean, if there is suddenly an egg in the Eiffel Tower, and then a movie with the aliens infesting Paris starts, that would be crazy. Where did the egg came from? But an EGG in a spaceship with an Alien Queen around, well, that makes sense. That it could have been done more nicely? yes.
But I don't think it's such a terrible thing to assume that could have happened.




Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 24, 2015, 04:16:27 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 01:22:57 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
If only we could handwave all the people who think "It was all a dream!" is anything other than the laziest get-out-of-jail free card out of here too...

But not as lazy as ad hominem side-swipes.  ::)

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:16 PM
Yup. It'd be ridiculous, and incredibly convoluted, if they went that route.

If you're going to retcon, retcon. Do it with a little dignity though. Don't try to please everybody and then slap them in the face by saying it was all a dream.

I'm all for that. How? I'd be all for a really elegant solution that isn't Ripley's Indigestion - but I really can't think of one. I really liked that "The Evil Pred" idea that did have Ripley's Indigestion, only it was induced by Wey-Yu, running different scenarios - it was more thought out than that, but that's the gist of it.

Is it any less of a slap in the face to say "nah, don't worry, didn't happen." I genuinely think that that would confuse the vast majority (I don't have analytics to back that up of course, so conjecture), but for me, if (the huge IF) this is a retcon, they have to explain it somehow.

I can't think of a better way and in reading threads and threads and threads and threads, no one else on here can either. Or if they have, I've missed it - but I'm all ears (or more accurately - eyes), I would love there to be a consistent, logical and smarter way of explaining it.

I can see them doing a 'Returns... but for me that doesn't fit with this universe at all. But that's only my opinion ... maybe they will!

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
Which is why I say it's the placement that's the issue. If they'd have made it clear that it was in the dropship somewhere instead...or not stuck upside down. Or that a face-hugger had hitched a ride on the Queen from the Hive and omitted the egg completely. The sound of the face-hugger crawling is even in the credits of Aliens.

It's really not that much of a stretch. And it'd be nice if that sequence was reworked in any future Assembly Cuts.

No it's not a stretch at all, and I wish they had done that with the last Assembly Cut to be honest. It would have been really easy for them to do so. But they didn't - so all we have to go on is what we assume to be the case (which is entirely reasonable), but if we're going on "facts" such as they are, it doesn't stand up. Which was sort of my point to HuDa - if the Indigestion scenario is bad, it's no worse than the magic faceugger in a film that some are defending and want to keep as canon over and above a retcon.

I often read "for all its faults" about Alien3 - for me, this was the biggest one of all, the whole film hinges on something the audience has to assume has happened. Well, that and the other stuff I've been ranting on about, but all that hinges on the facehugger. No facehugger, no accident. No Alien3 for that matter! (Thinking about it, they REALLY should have done something with an Aliens cut to explain it!).

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM

As I keep saying, it's conceivable. Entirely. As far back at Alien the notion of recording dreams or viewing dreams has been mentioned. It's just cheap. It's poor story writing. It is the worse trope of writing.

It may well be, but we agree it's conceivable and it fits. It's by far the neatest solution (if, if, if etc). A few cuts, some digital youthening (what should that word be? Making them look younger...?) in the cryo tube... bang. Its done.

I've said all along - its not ideal, but its logical and I feel better than adopting the 'Returns approach.
I completely agree.

I wasn't too sure if and how I wanted A3 and A|R retconned, but I do think the dream manipulation is the best course. Cheap? Lazy? Maybe. It's far better than just ignoring the movies. They deserve to at LEAST exist in Ripley's imagination.

What comes to mind are stasis pods similar to the ones in Prometheus. Two at each side, with an android each working on them. In one pod you see the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection unfolding, Ripley's worst nightmares. Losing Hicks and Newt. Carrying an alien in her. A queen no less. Actually BECOMING part Alien in a cloning expirement. Her sorrow over losing both a biological and surrogate daughter summons a third "child" that is an even more grotesque human/alien hybrid than herself. Yet she has to lose this one as well, by her hands.

In the other pod, you see the events of Colonial Marines unfolding. Hicks' nightmare. (And all of ours as well :P) Still bound to Acheron. Prisoner of the company. Still fighting the xenos. With even more menacing variations. And although his outlook is more positive in that he escapes in the end, he never finds Ripley or Newt again.

The company for some reason trying to influence different outcomes and decisions during these subconscious invasions.

Yeah. It sounds pretty cheesy at times. But I could swallow this. For the sake of a good story. If the story sucks, well then it would just pile on and make it all that much worse. But for now I believe Blomkamp has something great in mind that would be worth the risk.

People accepting that dream crap makes me understand why movies are so dumb nowadays...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:47:20 PM
I say retcon A3/A:R.  Alien 3's plot only happened the way it did because in the REAL WORLD the movie went through development hell and even the people working on the movie probably would've wanted it to turn out differently.  The continuation of ALIENS is what everyone really truly wanted. 

And resurrection is just crap and wont be missed.  Ripley 8 is a terrible character that isn't the REAL Ripley we all know and love.  The real original Ripley would never sympathize with the aliens, and Ripley 8 was in fact PART alien, so f**k that.  It was a goofy script that didn't fit in with the believability of the First 3 films.     
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 04:49:34 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:47:20 PMThe continuation of ALIENS is what everyone really truly wanted.

Alien 3 was a continuation of Aliens.

Unless you mean an Aliens clone. And that's something I definitely didn't want.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:59:29 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 04:49:34 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:47:20 PMThe continuation of ALIENS is what everyone really truly wanted.

Alien 3 was a continuation of Aliens.

Unless you mean an Aliens clone. And that's something I definitely didn't want.

Not an Aliens clone, but a different direction of the story after Aliens, that's not Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 24, 2015, 05:55:36 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:59:29 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 04:49:34 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:47:20 PMThe continuation of ALIENS is what everyone really truly wanted.

Alien 3 was a continuation of Aliens.

Unless you mean an Aliens clone. And that's something I definitely didn't want.

Not an Aliens clone, but a different direction of the story after Aliens, that's not Alien 3.

Alien 3 is an awesome failed movie. But I don't think it's problems have anything to do with killing hicks and newt. That was bold and brave and set the tone for the movie. I love Aliens, but In general I rather have an ALIEN tone that an ALIENS tone on this series. Aliens worked just because Cameron was on his prime, but I don't think it can work again. And its what I fear most from Neill, I think he is more likelly to make an actioner like ALIENS than a dark, claustrophobic thriller like ALIEN.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Master on Feb 24, 2015, 05:56:57 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:59:29 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 04:49:34 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:47:20 PMThe continuation of ALIENS is what everyone really truly wanted.

Alien 3 was a continuation of Aliens.

Unless you mean an Aliens clone. And that's something I definitely didn't want.

Not an Aliens clone, but a different direction of the story after Aliens, that's not Alien 3.

Ever played Alien 3 The Gun? I think you`d love it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Mike on Feb 24, 2015, 07:18:12 PM
Take place after AR? No but it should take place after Aliens. Retcon the sequels, and just build an awsome storyline from Aliens. Make a worthy follow up to Aliens as a continuation. A3 and Ar are only getting in the way of making a great sequel because of were it took the storyline. I liked both films but I say if you want this script to really work it's going to have to just refer to Alien and Aliens only. We need original Ripley not cloned Ripley. And Hicks. The 2 main characters it should have. I mean after seeing that concept art of the 2 just was awsome. Doesn't have to be called Alien 5. Shouldn't be called Alien 3 either has it will confuse fans of the previous Alien3. Call it Alien and a subtitle. I truly think this is the right way to go. Continue off we're the track record was still perfect. (Alien, Aliens).  Also by not referencing the other films plots makes it a bit easier to write a new refreshing script. You don't have to worry about anything but what was seen in Alien and Aliens.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 24, 2015, 07:36:52 PM
Quote from: Mike on Feb 24, 2015, 07:18:12 PM
Take place after AR? No but it should take place after Aliens. Retcon the sequels, and just build an awsome storyline from Aliens. Make a worthy follow up to Aliens as a continuation. A3 and Ar are only getting in the way of making a great sequel because of were it took the storyline. I liked both films but I say if you want this script to really work it's going to have to just refer to Alien and Aliens only. We need original Ripley not cloned Ripley. And Hicks. The 2 main characters it should have. I mean after seeing that concept art of the 2 just was awsome. Doesn't have to be called Alien 5. Shouldn't be called Alien 3 either has it will confuse fans of the previous Alien3. Call it Alien and a subtitle. I truly think this is the right way to go. Continue off we're the track record was still perfect. (Alien, Aliens).  Also by not referencing the other films plots makes it a bit easier to write a new refreshing script. You don't have to worry about anything but what was seen in Alien and Aliens.

This is so right.  Everything.  Preach on Brother Mike.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 08:03:07 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 24, 2015, 07:36:52 PM
Quote from: Mike on Feb 24, 2015, 07:18:12 PM
Take place after AR? No but it should take place after Aliens. Retcon the sequels, and just build an awsome storyline from Aliens. Make a worthy follow up to Aliens as a continuation. A3 and Ar are only getting in the way of making a great sequel because of were it took the storyline. I liked both films but I say if you want this script to really work it's going to have to just refer to Alien and Aliens only. We need original Ripley not cloned Ripley. And Hicks. The 2 main characters it should have. I mean after seeing that concept art of the 2 just was awsome. Doesn't have to be called Alien 5. Shouldn't be called Alien 3 either has it will confuse fans of the previous Alien3. Call it Alien and a subtitle. I truly think this is the right way to go. Continue off we're the track record was still perfect. (Alien, Aliens).  Also by not referencing the other films plots makes it a bit easier to write a new refreshing script. You don't have to worry about anything but what was seen in Alien and Aliens.

This is so right.  Everything.  Preach on Brother Mike.

Exactly, I agree. 
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Master on Feb 24, 2015, 08:06:58 PM
Guys, thats bullshit. It won`t happen either. Most probably it will have entire new cast. Sequel to A:R is less probable but possible. But dream sequences and Aliens sequel is a fanboy`s wet dream.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 09:32:35 PM
Quote from: Master on Feb 24, 2015, 08:06:58 PM
Guys, thats bullshit. It won`t happen either. Most probably it will have entire new cast. Sequel to A:R is less probable but possible. But dream sequences and Aliens sequel is a fanboy`s wet dream.

I would also accept a movie set shortly after alien 3 with new characters, as long as its well-written of course.   No A:R sequel though, please.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Its Auto on Feb 24, 2015, 11:49:22 PM
You know, I'm reading stuff here about the egg on the Sulaco (again), and the mention of 'emergency facehugger on queen' as there is "no other choice" ~ ya know, I'm just gonna copy and paste my post here from 5 days ago... while granted, the pitch was meant slightly tongue-in-cheek... I do see a 'missing story' the easiest way to put things right; it'd give us a sequel to Aliens, correct continuity errors, and wouldn't retcon Alien 3 (for those of us who love it!)

Original post for anyone who missed it;

Right here, right now, this director has the opportunity to set the franchise canon straight. I am excited, but I already have a gut feeling that it is going to be a missed opportunity. Here's my thought; How about we have a new 'Aliens' sequel while NOT retconning 'Alien 3', but instead, correcting the continuity errors?

Hear me out; This movie could take place AFTER 'Aliens', where Ripley, Newt and Hicks made it home safe.

*Insert awesome story right here, which includes aesthetics and technology which match that seen in Aliens (in the same way Isolation mimics the aesthetics of Alien), includes a soundtrack which matches the horror of the first movie, with the action and adrenaline of the second, a story where the characters are presented with an ordeal so pressing that Riply and Hicks cannot ignore, leaving Newt safely at Gateway (as responsible parents would), as they steal the Sulaco, along with the deactivated carcass of Bishop (as the only proof of what has happened) with a group of others and head on into the story. But hold onto your butts, after a rollercoaster ride of horror and shocking revelations, Wey-Yu shows up with Newt as leverage to stop Ripley on what she is about to do *insert further awesome story here* and it all ends with Ripley, Newt, a badly beaten up Hicks, and the deactivated Bishop that hasnt been part of the story but was left on the ship, all asleep in the CIVILIAN Cryo-bay (ya know, where they would have transported all those LV-426 colonists they were gonna rescue in the second movie - to account for difference in cryo-tubes) as the camera pans to a pulsating superhugger egg, which got there in perfectly plausible means thanks to an earlier scene in the movie XD

The end.


Now I'm not saying roll with that poor pitch by any means, but inserting a 'missing story' potentially could restore balance to the canon while pleasing everyone - and would be more creative than 'it was a dream'. :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 25, 2015, 12:25:58 AM
Quote from: Master on Feb 24, 2015, 05:56:57 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:59:29 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 24, 2015, 04:49:34 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 24, 2015, 04:47:20 PMThe continuation of ALIENS is what everyone really truly wanted.

Alien 3 was a continuation of Aliens.

Unless you mean an Aliens clone. And that's something I definitely didn't want.

Not an Aliens clone, but a different direction of the story after Aliens, that's not Alien 3.

Ever played Alien 3 The Gun? I think you`d love it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coin-Operated-Aliens-3-Video-Game-/171693035681?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f9b3d0a1 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coin-Operated-Aliens-3-Video-Game-/171693035681?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f9b3d0a1)

:D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 02:04:50 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 24, 2015, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 24, 2015, 04:16:27 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 01:22:57 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
If only we could handwave all the people who think "It was all a dream!" is anything other than the laziest get-out-of-jail free card out of here too...

But not as lazy as ad hominem side-swipes.  ::)

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:16 PM
Yup. It'd be ridiculous, and incredibly convoluted, if they went that route.

If you're going to retcon, retcon. Do it with a little dignity though. Don't try to please everybody and then slap them in the face by saying it was all a dream.

I'm all for that. How? I'd be all for a really elegant solution that isn't Ripley's Indigestion - but I really can't think of one. I really liked that "The Evil Pred" idea that did have Ripley's Indigestion, only it was induced by Wey-Yu, running different scenarios - it was more thought out than that, but that's the gist of it.

Is it any less of a slap in the face to say "nah, don't worry, didn't happen." I genuinely think that that would confuse the vast majority (I don't have analytics to back that up of course, so conjecture), but for me, if (the huge IF) this is a retcon, they have to explain it somehow.

I can't think of a better way and in reading threads and threads and threads and threads, no one else on here can either. Or if they have, I've missed it - but I'm all ears (or more accurately - eyes), I would love there to be a consistent, logical and smarter way of explaining it.

I can see them doing a 'Returns... but for me that doesn't fit with this universe at all. But that's only my opinion ... maybe they will!

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
Which is why I say it's the placement that's the issue. If they'd have made it clear that it was in the dropship somewhere instead...or not stuck upside down. Or that a face-hugger had hitched a ride on the Queen from the Hive and omitted the egg completely. The sound of the face-hugger crawling is even in the credits of Aliens.

It's really not that much of a stretch. And it'd be nice if that sequence was reworked in any future Assembly Cuts.

No it's not a stretch at all, and I wish they had done that with the last Assembly Cut to be honest. It would have been really easy for them to do so. But they didn't - so all we have to go on is what we assume to be the case (which is entirely reasonable), but if we're going on "facts" such as they are, it doesn't stand up. Which was sort of my point to HuDa - if the Indigestion scenario is bad, it's no worse than the magic faceugger in a film that some are defending and want to keep as canon over and above a retcon.

I often read "for all its faults" about Alien3 - for me, this was the biggest one of all, the whole film hinges on something the audience has to assume has happened. Well, that and the other stuff I've been ranting on about, but all that hinges on the facehugger. No facehugger, no accident. No Alien3 for that matter! (Thinking about it, they REALLY should have done something with an Aliens cut to explain it!).

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM

As I keep saying, it's conceivable. Entirely. As far back at Alien the notion of recording dreams or viewing dreams has been mentioned. It's just cheap. It's poor story writing. It is the worse trope of writing.

It may well be, but we agree it's conceivable and it fits. It's by far the neatest solution (if, if, if etc). A few cuts, some digital youthening (what should that word be? Making them look younger...?) in the cryo tube... bang. Its done.

I've said all along - its not ideal, but its logical and I feel better than adopting the 'Returns approach.
I completely agree.

I wasn't too sure if and how I wanted A3 and A|R retconned, but I do think the dream manipulation is the best course. Cheap? Lazy? Maybe. It's far better than just ignoring the movies. They deserve to at LEAST exist in Ripley's imagination.

What comes to mind are stasis pods similar to the ones in Prometheus. Two at each side, with an android each working on them. In one pod you see the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection unfolding, Ripley's worst nightmares. Losing Hicks and Newt. Carrying an alien in her. A queen no less. Actually BECOMING part Alien in a cloning expirement. Her sorrow over losing both a biological and surrogate daughter summons a third "child" that is an even more grotesque human/alien hybrid than herself. Yet she has to lose this one as well, by her hands.

In the other pod, you see the events of Colonial Marines unfolding. Hicks' nightmare. (And all of ours as well :P) Still bound to Acheron. Prisoner of the company. Still fighting the xenos. With even more menacing variations. And although his outlook is more positive in that he escapes in the end, he never finds Ripley or Newt again.

The company for some reason trying to influence different outcomes and decisions during these subconscious invasions.

Yeah. It sounds pretty cheesy at times. But I could swallow this. For the sake of a good story. If the story sucks, well then it would just pile on and make it all that much worse. But for now I believe Blomkamp has something great in mind that would be worth the risk.

People accepting that dream crap makes me understand why movies are so dumb nowadays...
It's better than just ignoring it. That's even dumber. The end justifies the means, IMO.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gilfryd on Feb 25, 2015, 02:31:10 AM
I'll know how I feel about this after Chappie. Blomkamp comes up with a lot of cool ideas and designs but Elysium was a big drop after District 9 (which I wasn't crazy about either, but at least it had a level of satisfaction to it). The worst it can be is Cameron/ Aliens fan-wank because we all know Blomkamp likes his guns and mecha - they'll just be grimy and covered in trashy graffiti.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 25, 2015, 03:23:19 AM
I wouldn't really use Chappie to gauge what this film will be like. Imma just sit back next week, watch Chappie, and let the insanity take over. 8)

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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 03:45:36 AM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 02:04:50 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 24, 2015, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 24, 2015, 04:16:27 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 24, 2015, 01:22:57 PM
Quote from: SiL on Feb 24, 2015, 12:12:49 PM
If only we could handwave all the people who think "It was all a dream!" is anything other than the laziest get-out-of-jail free card out of here too...

But not as lazy as ad hominem side-swipes.  ::)

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:16 PM
Yup. It'd be ridiculous, and incredibly convoluted, if they went that route.

If you're going to retcon, retcon. Do it with a little dignity though. Don't try to please everybody and then slap them in the face by saying it was all a dream.

I'm all for that. How? I'd be all for a really elegant solution that isn't Ripley's Indigestion - but I really can't think of one. I really liked that "The Evil Pred" idea that did have Ripley's Indigestion, only it was induced by Wey-Yu, running different scenarios - it was more thought out than that, but that's the gist of it.

Is it any less of a slap in the face to say "nah, don't worry, didn't happen." I genuinely think that that would confuse the vast majority (I don't have analytics to back that up of course, so conjecture), but for me, if (the huge IF) this is a retcon, they have to explain it somehow.

I can't think of a better way and in reading threads and threads and threads and threads, no one else on here can either. Or if they have, I've missed it - but I'm all ears (or more accurately - eyes), I would love there to be a consistent, logical and smarter way of explaining it.

I can see them doing a 'Returns... but for me that doesn't fit with this universe at all. But that's only my opinion ... maybe they will!

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM
Which is why I say it's the placement that's the issue. If they'd have made it clear that it was in the dropship somewhere instead...or not stuck upside down. Or that a face-hugger had hitched a ride on the Queen from the Hive and omitted the egg completely. The sound of the face-hugger crawling is even in the credits of Aliens.

It's really not that much of a stretch. And it'd be nice if that sequence was reworked in any future Assembly Cuts.

No it's not a stretch at all, and I wish they had done that with the last Assembly Cut to be honest. It would have been really easy for them to do so. But they didn't - so all we have to go on is what we assume to be the case (which is entirely reasonable), but if we're going on "facts" such as they are, it doesn't stand up. Which was sort of my point to HuDa - if the Indigestion scenario is bad, it's no worse than the magic faceugger in a film that some are defending and want to keep as canon over and above a retcon.

I often read "for all its faults" about Alien3 - for me, this was the biggest one of all, the whole film hinges on something the audience has to assume has happened. Well, that and the other stuff I've been ranting on about, but all that hinges on the facehugger. No facehugger, no accident. No Alien3 for that matter! (Thinking about it, they REALLY should have done something with an Aliens cut to explain it!).

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 24, 2015, 12:25:37 PM

As I keep saying, it's conceivable. Entirely. As far back at Alien the notion of recording dreams or viewing dreams has been mentioned. It's just cheap. It's poor story writing. It is the worse trope of writing.

It may well be, but we agree it's conceivable and it fits. It's by far the neatest solution (if, if, if etc). A few cuts, some digital youthening (what should that word be? Making them look younger...?) in the cryo tube... bang. Its done.

I've said all along - its not ideal, but its logical and I feel better than adopting the 'Returns approach.
I completely agree.

I wasn't too sure if and how I wanted A3 and A|R retconned, but I do think the dream manipulation is the best course. Cheap? Lazy? Maybe. It's far better than just ignoring the movies. They deserve to at LEAST exist in Ripley's imagination.

What comes to mind are stasis pods similar to the ones in Prometheus. Two at each side, with an android each working on them. In one pod you see the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection unfolding, Ripley's worst nightmares. Losing Hicks and Newt. Carrying an alien in her. A queen no less. Actually BECOMING part Alien in a cloning expirement. Her sorrow over losing both a biological and surrogate daughter summons a third "child" that is an even more grotesque human/alien hybrid than herself. Yet she has to lose this one as well, by her hands.

In the other pod, you see the events of Colonial Marines unfolding. Hicks' nightmare. (And all of ours as well :P) Still bound to Acheron. Prisoner of the company. Still fighting the xenos. With even more menacing variations. And although his outlook is more positive in that he escapes in the end, he never finds Ripley or Newt again.

The company for some reason trying to influence different outcomes and decisions during these subconscious invasions.

Yeah. It sounds pretty cheesy at times. But I could swallow this. For the sake of a good story. If the story sucks, well then it would just pile on and make it all that much worse. But for now I believe Blomkamp has something great in mind that would be worth the risk.

People accepting that dream crap makes me understand why movies are so dumb nowadays...
It's better than just ignoring it. That's even dumber. The end justifies the means, IMO.

But who said they are ignoring alien 3 and A:R?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 03:48:48 AM
Nobody knows anything.  It's all conjecture.  People are just voicing their opinions about the possible retcon of Alien 3 and AR.  Some say retcon.  Some say no retcon.  Some say make Alien 3 and AR a bad dream.  It's a huge argument about nothing really.

I say:  I love the smell of retcon in the morning!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 25, 2015, 03:50:47 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't mind if Blomkamp used some retcon marines to get it done. ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 08:17:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI)

That was just terrible Kiramid. Just terrible. xD
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 08:50:29 AM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 02:04:50 AMIt's better than just ignoring it. That's even dumber. The end justifies the means, IMO.

Funny, Superman Returns didn't strike me as especially dumb.

In no way is just ignoring it sillier than coming up with ridiculous contrivances in an attempt to rationalise things.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: [cancerblack] on Feb 25, 2015, 10:47:12 AM
Correct, however both are absolutely disgusting ideas, neither of which should be followed through on.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Spooky Baz on Feb 25, 2015, 11:57:10 AM
You see the hoops we're having to jump through in order to justify Weaver's inclusion in Alien 5? It's ridiculous no matter the angle.

Ripley is dead. Long live Ripley's replacement.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 11:58:29 AM
There's no hoops to jump through to get Sigourney involved. Ripley 8 is still out there and her story is still unresolved.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 12:49:37 PM
There's no hoops.  With one simple decision on behalf of Fox, A3 and AR become an alternate history and we get a better continuity which features Hicks and the real Ripley.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: martin.whittaker.31 on Feb 25, 2015, 01:53:06 PM
Its difficult to see where the story can go from here. I loved the original 3 films and thought that it should have ended as a trilogy. I hate all the negatives Alien 3 gets. I thought it was an excellent film, yeah it didnt go in the direction that a lot of people thought it would go but it was a great film nevertheless and I felt ended the story, or would have ended the story with closure. Sadly we were given the disasterpiece that was Resurrection that ruined the franchise but hey ho, s**t happens. If Ripley, Hicks, Bishop and Newt are set to make a comeback I think the only possible way to do it is to release an alternate sequel to Aliens. Taking the story to new place/time etc. If successful possibly leading on to more films to spin as much money as they can out of the francise that is Alien/s. Sadly that is the way the film industry seems to be at the moment, money/remakes over plot/storyline. How many Rambos do we have now? I digress. Doing this would at least give the fans the choice. Remember the first 3 films as the classic trilogy that it was and still is to this day or venture off into whatever universe Blomkamp will create like we are doing with Scotts Prometheus universe. I am a sucker for the first 3 films. My favourite 3 films of all time. You just cant beat them in my eyes. However the fanboy inside of me needs Corporal Hicks back in my life. What NEEDS to go is the idea of Alien 3 and Resurrection being all a bad dream. Yeah its an acceptable plot twist, if it was a childrens story however we are not children and the story deserves the respect it has earned over the years. One thing is for sure though, the next year is gonna be pretty damn interesting, SADDLE UP!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 25, 2015, 02:00:18 PM
How is having Hicks and Newt better continuity? Retconning two films out of a series is a messy and harmful affair. Theres a lot of people who love Alien 3. Alternate timelines? This isn't a comic book movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 03:10:43 PM
Having Hicks and Newt is a better continuity because they've become core characters.  The series never recovered from their loss.  People simply love these characters.  I would say that many people on forums couldn't care less about Newt, but that is because they're sci-fi fans and are often impervious to the emotional impacts of a tale of a child surviving such a terrible tragedy.  Hicks and Newt are now to the story what Mary Jane and JJ Simpson are to Spider Man.  They complete the circle of Ripley's existence 57 years after Alien.

Alien as a film franchise will always be flawed without the real Ripley (and her posse Hicks and Newt).  The Aliens on their own, while interesting are nothing more than a force of nature.  They are animals.  The Alien series is a human tale, and you can't dispose of the main characters and expect that the series will not sputter out.  I know many people will disagree.  That's ok.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 03:21:57 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 03:10:43 PM
I know many people will disagree.  That's ok.

And many that won't. I think you phrase it best here - "the series never recovered from their loss." Quite right, I've never really thought of it like that, but this is spot on. I've ranted on about the treatment of the characters in terms of story and their lazy ending, but taking that further, this is a really accurate assessment. You always read "despite its flaws" (Alien3) or "interesting ideas" (AR) but never that they're better or even on a par with the first movies.

I guess because, Dallas, Kane, Parker, Hicks, Hudson, Vasquez and Gorman (et al) provided great support for Ripley, whereas 3 and 4 have nothing that comes close? Does the "mother" Ripley need a family around her to make her character relevant? She's a survivor of course, but she's also a caregiver. She saves the cat, she saves the marines, she saves Newt... now a real survivor would have f**ked off and left the cat, marines and kid to stew.

Hmmm. I don't know if that's accurate, but it made me double take.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 03:30:48 PM
That's exactly it.  Aliens was a film about nurturing and motherhood.  True Aliens fans who want a continuation of Aliens are more about these human themes than fanboy Colonial Marines fantasies.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 03:43:00 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 03:10:43 PMHaving Hicks and Newt is a better continuity because they've become core characters.

They were in one movie. Morse and Johner are as much core characters as they are.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 03:49:58 PM
Morse was a criminal who must have committed murder to wind up on Fiorina 161.  Johner was also a criminal and a party to murder if you consider that his crew smuggled human cargo to be experimented on.  Both are irredeemable basically.

Are you really asking viewers to have more of an emotional connection with these bastards over an innocent child?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 03:51:36 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 03:43:00 PM
They were in one movie. Morse and Johner are as much core characters as they are.

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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 03:55:11 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 03:49:58 PMMorse was a criminal who must have committed murder to wind up on Fiorina 161.  Johner was also a criminal and a party to murder if you consider that his crew smuggled human cargo to be experimented on.  Both are irredeemable basically.

That wasn't my point. My point was 90% of joe public, who have only seen the films and neither know nor care about comics, have had as much exposure to the two characters I mentioned as Hicks and Newt. The latter are more memorable, perhaps. More likeable, definitely. But no more valid.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 03:57:37 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 03:51:36 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 03:43:00 PM
They were in one movie. Morse and Johner are as much core characters as they are.

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I know the feeling, Russ.

HuDa is completely right. Hicks and Newt are no more vital to the over-arcing story of the Alien than Morse or Johner. They maybe more likable (Newt is debatable) but no more important. Hicks and Newt are important to Aliens because the theme of Aliens was the atomic family and maternity.

That theme wasn't present in any other Alien film. Morse is just as vital to Alien 3 because that was a film about desperation and hopelessness. What's more hopeless than the dredges of humanity flung out into space.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 04:02:57 PM
I agree to strongly disagree with you on this point.  Newt became the raison D'etre for Ripley to go on.  That child was arguably more important than Hicks.  Hicks was just a super cool addition.  I cansee though why back in the day Sigourney didn't want him back for Alien 3.  He could have stolen her spotlight and ALL FILMS are about the strength of woman (maternity aside).  But Sigourney's decisions basically painted her character into a corner.  It was kind of selfish if you think about it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 04:08:31 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 04:02:57 PMI cansee though why back in the day Sigourney didn't want him back for Alien 3.  He could have stolen her spotlight and ALL FILMS are about the strength of woman (maternity aside).  But Sigourney's decisions basically painted her character into a corner.  It was kind of selfish if you think about it.

Sigourney had nothing to do with it. She only wanted Ripely to die. Hicks was killed off by the writers before Weaver got anywhere near it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 04:16:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 03:57:37 PM
I know the feeling, Russ.

HuDa is completely right. Hicks and Newt are no more vital to the over-arcing story of the Alien than Morse or Johner. They maybe more likable (Newt is debatable) but no more important. Hicks and Newt are important to Aliens because the theme of Aliens was the atomic family and maternity.

That theme wasn't present in any other Alien film. Morse is just as vital to Alien 3 because that was a film about desperation and hopelessness. What's more hopeless than the dredges of humanity flung out into space.

I think we may be getting to the heart of the matter, Hicks (it only took 45 pages). The second two films are lesser than the first because of the changes written to Ripley. We (the Aliens fans we) know that A3 went through a gazillion rewrites, sets being built with no script in place... all that stuff.

But here's the thing: "most people" need to connect with movie characters on an emotional level. I was blown away with PO's post because this really just occurred to me (in this context) when he wrote it. Morse might be funny in a deranged way, Johnner might be a "cool" anti-hero but we don't really give a crap about them. We don't connect with them, we don't care if they live or die.

The crews of the Nostromo and Sulaco on the other hand, we do care. And Ripley cares about them (in 3 she cares about killing the alien, in 4... actually, I don't know about 4).

We (general public we) especially care about Hicks, Ripley and Newt and we hope that they will end up happy ever after (they hint at all the time. The way Hicks is looking at her when she's doing her opening speech, the "I can take care of myself" piece, the "See you, Ellen" bit... the way Ripley deals with Newt's hot chocolate issues, the way she sleeps under the cot... all that stuff.

Now, I get that A3 wasn't supposed to be like that - it is all the things you say it is. But perhaps it fails because, ultimately, we can't connect with anyone in that movie. It's dark and depressing, a "fitting end" all that stuff. But it's a flawed movie as everyone acknowledges both in technical terms (rewrites etc) and in emotional terms.

Whereas 1 and 2 win on all levels because of the characters and the attachment we and Ripley feel towards them to a greater or lesser extent. She has a relationship with all of them to a greater or lesser extent - even Parker and Brett who she doesn't like particularly (or perhaps vice versa).

So no, Hicks and Newt aren't important in the story as we have it - but they are important to the character and I'm thinking that PO has nailed why 3 and 4 are widely regarded as forgettable and / or crap by Joe Public, whereas 1 and 2 make onto every list of "Best Sci-Fi Movies" since lists of Best Sci-Fi movies started coming out. The themes of 3 (and 4) are wrong for the character established in one and two and they failed because of it.

What do you think?

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 04:26:08 PM
I couldn't care less about Hicks and Newt outside the ALIENS movie.

Some people agree, some disagree, but saying that MOST people do isn't the truth, as saying most people don't isn't either.

Unless somebody has a poll about it saying otherwise.

I Don't want A3 dismissed, and even tho I absolutely despise A:R, I don't think they are dismissing it, and it would feel really strange if they did.

Anyway, this is an interesting debate but absolutely pointless at this moment.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 04:33:34 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 04:26:08 PM
I couldn't care less about Hicks and Newt outside the ALIENS movie.


That is really cold.  But I guess eponymously so.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 25, 2015, 04:34:53 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 03:57:37 PM
HuDa is completely right. Hicks and Newt are no more vital to the over-arcing story of the Alien than Morse or Johner. They maybe more likable (Newt is debatable) but no more important. Hicks and Newt are important to Aliens because the theme of Aliens was the atomic family and maternity.

That theme wasn't present in any other Alien film. Morse is just as vital to Alien 3 because that was a film about desperation and hopelessness. What's more hopeless than the dredges of humanity flung out into space.

I disagree, for reasons that have been very well explained here already. Newt especially has far more function than Morse or Johner. Remove Newt from Aliens and see what you're left with. Do the same for these other aforementioned characters and what happens? The movies lose a couple of one-liners.

There's also another consideration: that outside of these forums and fan circles, the other movies might as well not exist. We are outnumbered, I would hazard to say, by casual fans who still hold Alien and Aliens very close but don't come online to dissect the movies. Some of the biggest fans I know have never so much as graced a forum. Alien 3 and 4 are lesser works seems to be the general response, unless you appreciate, say, Alien 3 for various aesthetic reasons. History is littered with lesser works. A successful series should make concessions with its continuity or it won't survive. This is new to the realm of cinema because film is still in its relative infancy compared to, say, poetics and other forms of fiction.

I can imagine that hundreds of years ago there were folk who might have said, "I love Arthurian literature but I ignore anything that Layamon or Wace wrote," and others might have said in retort, "But it's important to the canon! You can't just ignore so-and-so. It would be a headf**k!"

We have to make room for new works, even if they sometimes override established ones. It might seem palimpsestuous but that's been the nature of storytelling since its beginnings. We might not get something that's better, but that's the gamble. I say if Neill and Fox think they can do something with a Hicks/Ripley angle, then bring it. I imagine general audiences might be relieved that they only have to swat up on two (classic) movies rather than a messy four.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 04:43:38 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 25, 2015, 04:34:53 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 03:57:37 PM
HuDa is completely right. Hicks and Newt are no more vital to the over-arcing story of the Alien than Morse or Johner. They maybe more likable (Newt is debatable) but no more important. Hicks and Newt are important to Aliens because the theme of Aliens was the atomic family and maternity.

That theme wasn't present in any other Alien film. Morse is just as vital to Alien 3 because that was a film about desperation and hopelessness. What's more hopeless than the dredges of humanity flung out into space.

I disagree, for reasons that have been very well explained here already. Newt especially has far more function than Morse or Johner. Remove Newt from Aliens and see what you're left with. Do the same for these other aforementioned characters and what happens? The movies lose a couple of one-liners.

There's also another consideration: that outside of these forums and fan circles, the other movies might as well not exist. We are outnumbered, I would hazard to say, by casual fans who still hold Alien and Aliens very close but don't come online to dissect the movies. Some of the biggest fans I know have never so much as graced a forum. Alien 3 and 4 are lesser works seems to be the general response, unless you appreciate, say, Alien 3 for various aesthetic reasons. History is littered with lesser works. A successful series should make concessions with its continuity or it won't survive. This is new to the realm of cinema because film is still in its relative infancy compared to, say, poetics and other forms of fiction.

I can imagine that hundreds of years ago there were folk who might have said, "I love Arthurian literature but I ignore anything that Layamon or Wace wrote," and others might have said in retort, "But it's important to the canon! You can't just ignore so-and-so. It would be a headf**k!"

We have to make room for new works, even if they sometimes override established ones. It might seem palimpsestuous but that's been the nature of storytelling since its beginnings. We might not get something that's better, but that's the gamble. I say if Neill and Fox think they can do something with a Hicks/Ripley angle, then bring it. I imagine general audiences might be relieved that they only have to swat up on two (classic) movies rather than a messy four.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 04:44:43 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 04:26:08 PM
Anyway, this is an interesting debate but absolutely pointless at this moment.

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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 06:12:22 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 25, 2015, 04:34:53 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2015, 03:57:37 PM
HuDa is completely right. Hicks and Newt are no more vital to the over-arcing story of the Alien than Morse or Johner. They maybe more likable (Newt is debatable) but no more important. Hicks and Newt are important to Aliens because the theme of Aliens was the atomic family and maternity.

That theme wasn't present in any other Alien film. Morse is just as vital to Alien 3 because that was a film about desperation and hopelessness. What's more hopeless than the dredges of humanity flung out into space.

I disagree, for reasons that have been very well explained here already. Newt especially has far more function than Morse or Johner. Remove Newt from Aliens and see what you're left with. Do the same for these other aforementioned characters and what happens? The movies lose a couple of one-liners.

There's also another consideration: that outside of these forums and fan circles, the other movies might as well not exist. We are outnumbered, I would hazard to say, by casual fans who still hold Alien and Aliens very close but don't come online to dissect the movies. Some of the biggest fans I know have never so much as graced a forum. Alien 3 and 4 are lesser works seems to be the general response, unless you appreciate, say, Alien 3 for various aesthetic reasons. History is littered with lesser works. A successful series should make concessions with its continuity or it won't survive. This is new to the realm of cinema because film is still in its relative infancy compared to, say, poetics and other forms of fiction.

I can imagine that hundreds of years ago there were folk who might have said, "I love Arthurian literature but I ignore anything that Layamon or Wace wrote," and others might have said in retort, "But it's important to the canon! You can't just ignore so-and-so. It would be a headf**k!"

We have to make room for new works, even if they sometimes override established ones. It might seem palimpsestuous but that's been the nature of storytelling since its beginnings. We might not get something that's better, but that's the gamble. I say if Neill and Fox think they can do something with a Hicks/Ripley angle, then bring it. I imagine general audiences might be relieved that they only have to swat up on two (classic) movies rather than a messy four.
Agreed!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 25, 2015, 06:57:56 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 25, 2015, 04:34:53 PM
I can imagine that hundreds of years ago there were folk who might have said, "I love Arthurian literature but I ignore anything that Layamon or Wace wrote," and others might have said in retort, "But it's important to the canon! You can't just ignore so-and-so. It would be a headf**k!"

I love this paragraph so much. We'd only lose the freaking Round Table completely of we ignored them. :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 07:40:45 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 04:33:34 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 04:26:08 PM
I couldn't care less about Hicks and Newt outside the ALIENS movie.


That is really cold.  But I guess eponymously so.

You know they are not real people right? :P


Quote from: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 04:44:43 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 04:26:08 PM
Anyway, this is an interesting debate but absolutely pointless at this moment.

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I mean that we have no idea yet about where the story is going, so we can debate of course, but some people debate as they knew something we don't. Anyway, as I said it's interesting to see all opinions of course.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 07:49:48 PM
Neill and Siggy spill all the beans!*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8os-IfZhg#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8os-IfZhg#ws)











                                                                                                                                                                                               



*well, not really...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 07:52:45 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 07:49:48 PM
Neill and Siggy spill all the beans!*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8os-IfZhg#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8os-IfZhg#ws)












                                                                                                                                                                                               



*well, not really...


"It's Alien, Aliens, then this movie."  YES please!  Its retcon time, baby!  :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 07:54:46 PM
R.I.P Alien³ & Alien: Resurection  :'(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 07:58:19 PM
Wait wait wait...

"It's Alien, Aliens, then this movie."

So ARE we looking at a retcon?!  :o Please tell me this is conjecture.. Please.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 08:00:00 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 07:52:45 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 07:49:48 PM
Neill and Siggy spill all the beans!*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8os-IfZhg#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8os-IfZhg#ws)












                                                                                                                                                                                               



*well, not really...


"It's Alien, Aliens, then this movie."  YES please!  Its retcon time, baby!  :D
Apparently so! I'm fine with this  8)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 08:04:53 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 07:58:19 PM
Wait wait wait...

"It's Alien, Aliens, then this movie."

So ARE we looking at a retcon?!  :o Please tell me this is conjecture.. Please.

How else are you going to fit it in before Alien 3? I don't think doing a Jeff Bridges/Clu on all the actors is going to be an option.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:08:51 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 08:04:53 PM
How else are you going to fit it in before Alien 3? I don't think doing a Jeff Bridges/Clu on all the actors is going to be an option.

I don't get the Jeff Bridges/Clu reference but.. You know I am going to wait until this is concrete. I mean there hasn't been a lot of news but if this is a retcon.. And I mean a retcon involving an actual write out of Alien 3 onward.. Aaaah.. Wow! Just... Wow!  :-\

And I'm not even an Alien fan as I am Predator but damn... This.. If it's more than conjecture then.. damn.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 25, 2015, 08:10:53 PM
Jeff Bridges was digitally rejuvenated as CLU in TRON: Legacy.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:12:32 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:10:53 PM
Jeff Bridges was digitally rejuvenated as CLU in TRON: Legacy.

I never saw Tron: Legacy so that reference went over my head.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 08:14:47 PM
Weaver-NiellBlomkamp

Building Better Sequels.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:17:40 PM
So it is a retcon then.  :-[
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Feb 25, 2015, 08:19:32 PM
Just found this interview with Weaver from June of last year. So that's a few months after Chappie wrapped.
It's interesting because she's most likely referring to Blomkamp and obviously wants to continue and end the story from the perspective of Ripley 8.


I feel after going to a couple of these Comic Cons and meeting so many fans who are so passionate about the series, passionate about Ripley — that there's more story to tell; but I don't know how to do that. I don't think Alien belongs on Earth popping out of a haystack, which is where I was afraid it was going to go. I feel it should take place in the far reaches of the universe where no one in their right mind would go. There are very few filmmakers that I can think of that I would want to entrust this to. But I can think of a couple... I feel there's a longing in certain groups of fans when I meet them for the story to be finished because we really left it up in the air and I feel a bit badly about that because I was part of that decision making process. I didn't want to make four and five in a bundle. I think it's hard to make these films all in a big lump. You need time to sort of let things resonate so I can imagine a situation where we could at least finish telling her story. I think that would be very satisfying at least to me — although I haven't done anything about it; but I can understand why that could happen and I certainly know young filmmakers who are interested in doing that. So we'll just have to see what happens.

Source: http://collider.com/alien-sequel-sigourney-weaver/ (http://collider.com/alien-sequel-sigourney-weaver/)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 08:19:49 PM
Well at the very least I hope they just scrap the later films instead of trying to come up with some ludicrous work-around.

Although what does this mean for the series of novels they're currently working on that are definitively set post-Resurrection?


EDIT: Mind you, with that "genetic sibling" stuff he was saying, a small part of me wonders if he was just talking tonally...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 25, 2015, 08:24:12 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 08:19:49 PM
Well at the very least I hope they just scrap the later films instead of trying to come up with some ludicrous work-around.
The whole dream speculation thing was born from fans -- filmmakers would never be that deep in a retcon. They'll just ignore them.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 08:19:49 PMAlthough what does this mean for the series of novels they're currently working on that are definitively set post-Resurrection?
The same thing that happened to Aliens Book I & II when Alien3 was released.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 08:24:59 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:24:12 PMThe same thing that happened to Aliens Book I & II when Alien3 was released.

True. But these novels have yet to be released and two of them haven't even been written yet.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:25:44 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:24:12 PM
The whole dream speculation thing was born from fans -- filmmakers would never be that deep in a retcon. They'll just ignore them.

Like how H20 ignored Halloween IV to VI?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 08:27:13 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 07:54:46 PM
R.I.P Alien³ & Alien: Resurection  :'(

No, no , no.  Not at all.  A3 and AR will live on as excellent non-canon tales in the Alien world.  Best of all... YOU STILL GET TO KEEP YOUR COPIES OF THE FILMS!!!!!!  WICKED!!  It's the best of both worlds...

Ok, this is officially the best thing that's happened in the Alien universe since James Cameron's Aliens film.

RETCON BABY!!!  FULL RETCON!!!  YEAH MAMA!  That's what I'm talkin' about.  Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 08:28:51 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 25, 2015, 08:19:32 PM
Just found this interview with Weaver from June of last year. So that's a few months after Chappie wrapped.
It's interesting because she's most likely referring to Blomkamp and obviously wants to continue and end the story from the perspective of Ripley 8.

She did say in the interview "floating around in space", though. Ripley 8 certainly wasn't, but Ellen certainly was (well, at the end of 2).

They showed a lot of Hicks in that interview, man - and I know it was all done by Sky Movies, but still...

Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:24:12 PM

The whole dream speculation thing was born from fans -- filmmakers would never be that deep in a retcon. They'll just ignore them.

It's pretty clear Blomkamp IS a fan though. He was weaned on this shit, just like us.


Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 08:27:13 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 07:54:46 PM
R.I.P Alien³ & Alien: Resurection  :'(

No, no , no.  Not at all.  A3 and AR will live on as excellent non-canon tales in the Alien world.  Best of all... YOU STILL GET TO KEEP YOUR COPIES OF THE FILMS!!!!!!  WICKED!!  It's the best of both worlds...

Ok, this is officially the best thing that's happened in the Alien universe since James Cameron's Aliens film.

RETCON BABY!!!  FULL RETCON!!!  YEAH MAMA!  That's what I'm talkin' about.  Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...

Can I cuddle you, PO. I need a man-hug.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 25, 2015, 08:30:11 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:25:44 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:24:12 PM
The whole dream speculation thing was born from fans -- filmmakers would never be that deep in a retcon. They'll just ignore them.

Like how H20 ignored Halloween IV to VI?
Not particularly familiar with that. It's the same thing Superman Returns did -- starts after Superman II, ignores Superman III and IV.

And yeah, this does not mean Alien3 and Alien: Resurrection get wiped out of existence. I love both films and I'll continue popping them in my Blu-Ray player from time to time, and watch them fondly.

Quote from: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 08:28:51 PM
It's pretty clear Blomkamp IS a fan though. He was weaned on this shit, just like us.
Yeah but somehow I think he has a little common sense in that brain of his -- he'd never do some silly shit like that. Period.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:30:44 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 08:27:13 PM
RETCON BABY!!!  FULL RETCON!!!  YEAH MAMA!  That's what I'm talkin' about.  Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...

You know, that's not exactly fair to those of us who liked Alien 3 by either seeing the Assembly Cut or the Workprint, and perhaps view the movie as an under-appreciated masterpiece. I swear, Alien 3 gets a lot of undeserved hate.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 08:31:18 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:25:44 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:24:12 PM
The whole dream speculation thing was born from fans -- filmmakers would never be that deep in a retcon. They'll just ignore them.

Like how H20 ignored Halloween IV to VI?

Exactly!  And you still get to have all of these Halloween movies in the same boxed set!  Isn't that awesome?  We live in a really cool age.  We get to see our favorite stories on film and we also get to see some really awesome alternate universe stories as well.. ON FILM.  So cool!!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 08:32:26 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:30:11 PM
-- he'd never do some silly shit like that. Period.

That remains to be seen - though, there are questions to be asked (genetic sibling!)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:32:57 PM
What's this about a genetic sibling?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 25, 2015, 08:33:47 PM
I sincerely doubt he'd bother, really. It could be an inside joke, maybe, but nothing beyond that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 08:35:45 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:30:44 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 08:27:13 PM
RETCON BABY!!!  FULL RETCON!!!  YEAH MAMA!  That's what I'm talkin' about.  Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...

You know, that's not exactly fair to those of us who liked Alien 3 by either seeing the Assembly Cut or the Workprint, and perhaps view the movie as an under-appreciated masterpiece. I swear, Alien 3 gets a lot of undeserved hate.

Alien 3 is a masterpiece!  I always underscore this.  It's just a masterpiece as a stand alone movie, not in the context of what went before.  Believe me, I will still watch Alien 3 lots of times.  But it has to go from the canon so we can have that continuation of Aliens countless fans have been wanting for 30 years.  It's time to uncork the Champagne!  One express elevator to retcon!  Goin' down!  WHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 25, 2015, 08:36:08 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:25:44 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:24:12 PM
The whole dream speculation thing was born from fans -- filmmakers would never be that deep in a retcon. They'll just ignore them.

Like how H20 ignored Halloween IV to VI?

The early drafts of the H20 script featured scenes that acknowledged the events of 4-6. The original title was Halloween: The Revenge of Laurie Strode, but Jamie Lee Curtis later demanded they remove all references to 4-6.  Moustapha Akkad, before he died, mentioned a script that would tie all the films together and hinted that Jamie (Danielle Harris) might've been Josh Hartnett's twin sister. Sadly, that script never saw the light of day due to his untimely death. I would've LOVED to see that happen. Sadly, we got Rob Zombie's reboot instead.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 25, 2015, 08:38:06 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 08:32:57 PM
What's this about a genetic sibling?

He said in the interview about it being a "genetic sibling" to Aliens.

Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 25, 2015, 08:33:47 PM
I sincerely doubt he'd bother, really. It could be an inside joke, maybe, but nothing beyond that.

I sincerely doubt they'll Superman Returns it, but all we have are opinions at the moment, man. Agree to disagree?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 08:41:01 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 07:49:48 PM
Neill and Siggy spill all the beans!*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8os-IfZhg#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th8os-IfZhg#ws)

This is what I call a perfect timming!











                                                                                                                                                                                               



*well, not really...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 25, 2015, 08:57:05 PM
Damn, it sounds like Alien 3 and Resurrection will be ignored based on this interview. If it's going to happen, there's really nothing we can do. I know a lot of you, myself included, wanted a direct sequel to Alien: Resurrection, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

I wish they could find a way to make the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection tied in. There are 3 possible retcons and they chose the worst option. The three are:

1) Flat out ignoring Alien 3 and Resurrection (which they seemingly chose).
2) Make Alien 3 - Resurrection a hypersleep dream.
3) Pull a Days of Future Past thing so Alien 3 isn't entirely pointless and just start fresh after Aliens.

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:07 PM
I don't want a direct sequel to A:R( even tho I hate that movie), but I also don't want a direct sequel to ALIENS (even tho I love that movie). So, I truly don't know what I want. :P

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:53 PM
The thing with ALIEN canon is, that a lot of fans of this franchise seem to create in their own minds what THEY consider canon.  Some (like myself) dont consider Resurrection canon.  Others dont like to consider Alien 3 canon, and some dont consider anything after the original Alien canon. 

So I dont see why this movie cant just ignore A3/A:R and make a different story after ALIENS that goes in a new (and potentially better) direction.  The canon can sort of "split" into 2 separate versions after ALIENS.  1 being the A3 direction, the other being this new movie.  No time travel BS, or even a "retcon", just an ALTERNATE version.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Feb 25, 2015, 09:03:25 PM
Ok......definitely sounds like they are doing a retcon, there I said it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 25, 2015, 09:04:06 PM
And the timeline is even further broken assuming this is a retcon! Ha ha ha!

Seriously, I wonder how the folks at Xenopedia are gonna handle that... I might join up on that site to discuss the timeline page.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PM
Maybe this is why SM has thrown in the towel?

Unless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:51 PM
Personally - I'd rather they just use Ripley 8 and see how she's evolved and finish the story that way.

I like A:3 despite it's flaws but I just think it's a bit shitty to make dead characters alive again just to please the fans, we already swallowed that tough pill years ago and the series has already been f**ked with enough with AVP and Prometheus.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 09:11:37 PM
ANyway, I just hope for one thing, R-RATING.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 25, 2015, 09:14:06 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:53 PM
The thing with ALIEN canon is, that a lot of fans of this franchise seem to create in their own minds what THEY consider canon.  Some (like myself) dont consider Resurrection canon.  Others dont like to consider Alien 3 canon, and some dont consider anything after the original Alien canon. 

So I dont see why this movie cant just ignore A3/A:R and make a different story after ALIENS that goes in a new (and potentially better) direction.  The canon can sort of "split" into 2 separate versions after ALIENS.  1 being the A3 direction, the other being this new movie.  No time travel BS, or even a "retcon", just an ALTERNATE version.

But people like that are just in denial.  ;D Alien 3 IS canon. Flat out ignoring it and making an "alternate" storyline is just as much of a slap in the face and as lazy as a time travel or a dream gimmick, but at least time travel doesn't flat out ignore it. You don't just one day, 30 years later, tell fans: "Hey, all those Alien sequels we made within the last 30 years..well, they don't count anymore. Here's your new Alien 3."  WTF?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 09:14:16 PM
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:51 PM
Personally - I'd rather they just use Ripley 8 and see how she's evolved and finish the story that way.

I like A:3 despite it's flaws but I just think it's a bit shitty to make dead characters alive again just to please the fans, we already swallowed that tough pill years ago and the series has already been f**ked with enough with AVP and Prometheus.

+1

Anyway, what Neill said does not mean 100% that is Alien 3.2 necessarily.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 09:17:04 PM
Hey yeah, where is SM?  I figured he'd be all over this...


Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PM
Maybe this is why SM has thrown in the towel?

Unless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.


Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:53 PM
The thing with ALIEN canon is, that a lot of fans of this franchise seem to create in their own minds what THEY consider canon.  Some (like myself) dont consider Resurrection canon.  Others dont like to consider Alien 3 canon, and some dont consider anything after the original Alien canon. 

So I dont see why this movie cant just ignore A3/A:R and make a different story after ALIENS that goes in a new (and potentially better) direction.  The canon can sort of "split" into 2 separate versions after ALIENS.  1 being the A3 direction, the other being this new movie.  No time travel BS, or even a "retcon", just an ALTERNATE version.

Ok, I just had a brain-storm along this idea of 2 separate canons.  Why not have the Core Alien canon which would be Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, and the new Alien 5, and then have a parallel Alien VS Predator canon which is basically everything Predator, everything AVP, and Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and AR?  It kind of makes sense.  The Bishop character we see in Alien 3 is made to look like the original Charles Weyland character in the first AVP film?  Any takers?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Feb 25, 2015, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 09:17:04 PM
Hey yeah, where is SM?  I figured he'd be all over this...


Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PM
Maybe this is why SM has thrown in the towel?

Unless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.


Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:53 PM
The thing with ALIEN canon is, that a lot of fans of this franchise seem to create in their own minds what THEY consider canon.  Some (like myself) dont consider Resurrection canon.  Others dont like to consider Alien 3 canon, and some dont consider anything after the original Alien canon. 

So I dont see why this movie cant just ignore A3/A:R and make a different story after ALIENS that goes in a new (and potentially better) direction.  The canon can sort of "split" into 2 separate versions after ALIENS.  1 being the A3 direction, the other being this new movie.  No time travel BS, or even a "retcon", just an ALTERNATE version.

Ok, I just had a brain-storm along this idea of 2 separate canons.  Why not have the Core Alien canon which would be Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, and the new Alien 5, and then have a parallel Alien VS Predator canon which is basically everything Predator, everything AVP, and Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and AR?  It kind of makes sense.  The Bishop character we see in Alien 3 is made to look like the original Charles Weyland character in the first AVP film?  Any takers?

No. I think they should just use Ripley 8 and finish the god damn story and as much as I love her - don't bring back Sigourney Weaver again.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 09:33:00 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 09:17:04 PM
Hey yeah, where is SM?  I figured he'd be all over this...


Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PM
Maybe this is why SM has thrown in the towel?

Unless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.


Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:53 PM
The thing with ALIEN canon is, that a lot of fans of this franchise seem to create in their own minds what THEY consider canon.  Some (like myself) dont consider Resurrection canon.  Others dont like to consider Alien 3 canon, and some dont consider anything after the original Alien canon. 

So I dont see why this movie cant just ignore A3/A:R and make a different story after ALIENS that goes in a new (and potentially better) direction.  The canon can sort of "split" into 2 separate versions after ALIENS.  1 being the A3 direction, the other being this new movie.  No time travel BS, or even a "retcon", just an ALTERNATE version.

Ok, I just had a brain-storm along this idea of 2 separate canons.  Why not have the Core Alien canon which would be Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, and the new Alien 5, and then have a parallel Alien VS Predator canon which is basically everything Predator, everything AVP, and Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and AR?  It kind of makes sense.  The Bishop character we see in Alien 3 is made to look like the original Charles Weyland character in the first AVP film?  Any takers?

Can we have a third canon with ONLY Prometheus? For me AVP and AVP R don't exist.


Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 25, 2015, 09:28:40 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 09:17:04 PM
Hey yeah, where is SM?  I figured he'd be all over this...


Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PM
Maybe this is why SM has thrown in the towel?

Unless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.


Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:02:53 PM
The thing with ALIEN canon is, that a lot of fans of this franchise seem to create in their own minds what THEY consider canon.  Some (like myself) dont consider Resurrection canon.  Others dont like to consider Alien 3 canon, and some dont consider anything after the original Alien canon. 

So I dont see why this movie cant just ignore A3/A:R and make a different story after ALIENS that goes in a new (and potentially better) direction.  The canon can sort of "split" into 2 separate versions after ALIENS.  1 being the A3 direction, the other being this new movie.  No time travel BS, or even a "retcon", just an ALTERNATE version.

Ok, I just had a brain-storm along this idea of 2 separate canons.  Why not have the Core Alien canon which would be Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, and the new Alien 5, and then have a parallel Alien VS Predator canon which is basically everything Predator, everything AVP, and Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and AR?  It kind of makes sense.  The Bishop character we see in Alien 3 is made to look like the original Charles Weyland character in the first AVP film?  Any takers?

No. I think they should just use Ripley 8 and finish the god damn story and as much as I love her - don't bring back Sigourney Weaver again.

How they will finish Ripley 8 without Sigourney?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:35:42 PM
no ripley 8 please for the love of god...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PMUnless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.

:laugh: I hope you aren't referring to me. Because it's not even a question that I'm a completely useless and uninformed source.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PM
Maybe this is why SM has thrown in the towel?

Unless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.

SM is too busy as an Executive Consultant to bother with us any more.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:52:25 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PMUnless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.

:laugh: I hope you aren't referring to me. Because it's not even a question that I'm a completely useless and uninformed source.

I think it was our mutual theory. Local Trouble seems to have taken it as gospel though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 09:54:24 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 25, 2015, 09:35:42 PM
no ripley 8 please for the love of god...
Right?

And Omegazilla you are speaking of Blomkamp as if you know him personally. You don't think he'll do it, but some of us think he will. We'll just have to wait for more info.

But with this and the concept art a retcon is at least possible.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 09:55:15 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:52:25 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2015, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 25, 2015, 09:10:41 PMUnless he is indeed acting as an executive consultant on this new Alien film according to certain unsubstantiated rumours from questionable sources.

:laugh: I hope you aren't referring to me. Because it's not even a question that I'm a completely useless and uninformed source.

I think it was our mutual theory. Local Trouble seems to have taken it as gospel though.

It's the only logical reason for his prolonged absence.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 25, 2015, 09:55:59 PM
Local Trouble's bioelectric brain frequencies are a mystery even in the most remote corners of the Galaxy.

(J-k man, love ya)

Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 09:54:24 PM
And Omegazilla you are speaking of Blomkamp as if you know him personally. You don't think he'll do it, but some of us think he will. We'll just have to wait for more info.
I'm not. But tell me of a single reboot that used this whole "dream" thing. It's a fan theory -- nothing more or less -- there's no reason why the filmmakers would use it. If they reboot, they reboot -- end.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 25, 2015, 10:07:13 PM
Calm down guys. All neil blomkamp is saying is that his film will be more like Alien and Aliens in terms of tone and themes then Alien 3 and Resurrection. Thats what he means by "genetic sibling". 
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 10:30:57 PM
oh i would love to see the new Alien3 movie starting as killing off Hicks and Newt yet again :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 25, 2015, 10:39:43 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 10:30:57 PM
oh i would love to see the new Alien3 movie starting as killing off Hicks and Newt yet again :D

;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 25, 2015, 10:46:01 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 10:30:57 PM
oh i would love to see the new Alien3 movie starting as killing off Hicks and Newt yet again :D

Hope not but that would make Blomkamp the ultimate troll... :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 10:55:35 PM
Will Blumpkin at least getting the f**king cryotubes right?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 25, 2015, 11:00:10 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 25, 2015, 10:07:13 PM
Calm down guys. All neil blomkamp is saying is that his film will be more like Alien and Aliens in terms of tone and themes then Alien 3 and Resurrection. Thats what he means by "genetic sibling".
He also says it's "Alien, Aliens, and this movie" though.

Omega yeah it's all conjecture so I can't claim he will follow the dream path, but I think he is capable of it. You flat out say he won't do it though. I understand the theory was pretty much created by fans but you sound so sure.

You might be right of course but so little is known right now yet you sound so confident.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 11:11:06 PM
replying to the original scified link back in autumn


who is the dude in the middle?

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi192.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz292%2Fdjrees_2007%2F536193-G745_zps7c82bfff.jpg&hash=caee7d9680cb1e45b17d471ee75f89b320e75df9)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 25, 2015, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 10:30:57 PM
oh i would love to see the new Alien3 movie starting as killing off Hicks and Newt yet again :D
Yea and he could use their older selves and make it like their cryotubes were tampered with. Making them appear as dried prunes.

No, wait, I know what they could do to really piss off everyone. Have an alien explode out of Newts chest!

I think that's Wierzbowski? :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 11:17:46 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 25, 2015, 11:14:03 PMI think that's Wierzbowski?

Uh, I think you mean Bowski.  As in "Where's Bowski?!  Where's Bowski?!"
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 25, 2015, 11:20:13 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 25, 2015, 11:17:46 PM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 25, 2015, 11:14:03 PMI think that's Wierzbowski?

Uh, I think you mean Bowski.  As in "Where's Bowski?!  Where's Bowski?!"
Oh damn I misspelled that didn't I. Did they ever find the dead body? :laugh:
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 25, 2015, 11:49:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP2A-TZl-Hc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP2A-TZl-Hc#ws)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 25, 2015, 11:59:00 PM
This film is already a f**king joke.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 25, 2015, 11:59:39 PM
Aye, Hicks is now... a retcon marine. 8) http://cow.org/csi/ (http://cow.org/csi/)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2015, 12:00:15 AM
The new AvP will be Aliens vs Prawns.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 12:09:53 AM
Alien vs Retcon.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 12:15:01 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 25, 2015, 11:59:00 PM
This film is already a f**king joke.

Then it'll be in good company with A3 and Resurrection... ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 12:18:28 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 12:15:01 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 25, 2015, 11:59:00 PM
This film is already a f**king joke.

Then it'll be in good company with A3 and Resurrection... ;)
Shots fired!

I don't think A3 is a bad movie though just disappointing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Feb 26, 2015, 12:21:53 AM
They should just bring back Hudson as well because sure he was only pulled under the floor. He probably escaped the Alien nest and made it off planet before it exploded and was then captured by the company and then put in a Demolition Man styled cryogenic freeze prison for years but now he's out and ready for A5.

All joking aside. If they really want to keep Hicks alive couldn't they just simply change aspects of Alien 3 and yet let the overall story play out the same way. So just say that somehow Hicks was out of action for that whole movie and then had his own story after it's events?

I think I could live more with them changing aspects of the story but not disregarding two entire films, that's just too much.

Oh god this is all driving me insane!!!!!

No, just use Ripley 8, finish her story from then, Hicks is dead.

Edit Over
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 26, 2015, 12:50:24 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 26, 2015, 12:21:53 AM
They should just bring back Hudson as well because sure he was only pulled under the floor. He probably escaped the Alien nest and made it off planet before it exploded and was then captured by the company and then put in a Demolition Man styled cryogenic freeze prison for years but now he's out and ready for A5.

All joking aside. If they really want to keep Hicks alive couldn't they just simply change aspects of Alien 3 and yet let the overall story play out the same way. So just say that somehow Hicks was out of action for that whole movie and then had his own story after it's events?

I think I could live more with them changing aspects of the story but not disregarding two entire films, that's just too much.

You can disregard a movie but how do you disregards part of it without making it again? Would be really confusing and, well, dumb.


Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 25, 2015, 11:59:00 PM
This film is already a f**king joke.

Nothing with an ALIEN in it is a joke! I mean, besides A:R, AVP, AVPR, Prometheus...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: T Dog on Feb 26, 2015, 12:55:17 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 26, 2015, 12:50:24 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Feb 26, 2015, 12:21:53 AM
They should just bring back Hudson as well because sure he was only pulled under the floor. He probably escaped the Alien nest and made it off planet before it exploded and was then captured by the company and then put in a Demolition Man styled cryogenic freeze prison for years but now he's out and ready for A5.

All joking aside. If they really want to keep Hicks alive couldn't they just simply change aspects of Alien 3 and yet let the overall story play out the same way. So just say that somehow Hicks was out of action for that whole movie and then had his own story after it's events?

I think I could live more with them changing aspects of the story but not disregarding two entire films, that's just too much.

You can disregard a movie but how do you disregards part of it without making it again? Would be really confusing and, well, dumb.


Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 25, 2015, 11:59:00 PM
This film is already a f**king joke.

Nothing with an ALIEN in it is a joke! I mean, besides A:R, AVP, AVPR, Prometheus...

You just take elements of the story that you want keep and that's that. For example you just say that Ripley died at the end of 3 but other than that the other elements are up for altering.

Blomkamp does say he wants it to "feel like" the genetic sibling. Not actually be a retcon anyway.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: KiramidHead on Feb 26, 2015, 01:00:26 AM
So when are we gonna get new reissues of 3 and Rez with the character names dubbed over with new ones?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 01:08:24 AM
In space, no one can hear you... retcon!

;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 01:42:35 AM
If he pulls a Days of Future Past thing.....

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11002603_10152632070650474_5356181354222340378_n.jpg?oh=9cd1f6c6fcd77a01a3bf915d59b6e97e&oe=558F5124&__gda__=1431424833_82ac5a7c9f547f3869e7e8d333563281)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gilfryd on Feb 26, 2015, 01:49:19 AM
I don't care about ignoring 3 and Res as long as the new movie builds on Aliens like Aliens built on Alien. It should really go in a bold new direction and not be lost in nostalgia like Superman Returns. If it's just a Scott/ Cameron love letter with nothing new to offer we're screwed. This needs to be the movie Prometheus should have been.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 02:01:32 AM
Ripley 8 could simply use her genetic memory powers to send her consciousness back into the body of her original and prevent the rogue xeno from causing the wreck of the Sulaco.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 02:28:28 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 02:01:32 AM
Ripley 8 could simply use her genetic memory powers to send her consciousness back into the body of her original and prevent the rogue xeno from causing the wreck of the Sulaco.

That's an insane and kinda cool idea.

I have no idea how they could make that work believably, but Hell, it's still an interesting and outlandish idea.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2015, 02:32:30 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 02:01:32 AM
Ripley 8 could simply use her genetic memory powers to send her consciousness back into the body of her original and prevent the rogue xeno from causing the wreck of the Sulaco.

Which cryotubes would they use?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 02:40:00 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 02:01:32 AM
Ripley 8 could simply use her genetic memory powers to send her consciousness back into the body of her original and prevent the rogue xeno from causing the wreck of the Sulaco.

that or how's this for a batshit idea?

___________________________
SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE  -  SPACE                                                                                   

Silent and endless.  The stars shine like the love of God...cold and remote.  Against them drifts a tiny chip of technology.

CLOSER:  It is the BETTY, drifting lifelessly.  Without interior or running lights, it seems devoid of life.  The ships computer comes to life.  The screen flashes PROXIMITY ALERT and the coordinates of the intruder.  The PING of a ranging RADAR grows louder, closer.  A shadow engulfs The Betty.  The tiny ship is put into perspective as a MASSIVE DARK HULL descends toward it.


There we go. Open up Alien 5 in a eerily similar way that parallels Aliens. Plot points:
-          A deep salvage team finds the Betty. In it, a passed out Ripley 8 and a dead Johner. Vriess and Call are M.I.A. The salvage team is surprised to see it is Ellen Ripley. HINT: "Didn't a salvage team find her a few months ago?"  Total coincidence. A Ripley is found floating in space again.

-          Cut to, Ripley 8 awakening in setting similar to Gateway Station. She's immediately questioned by a Corporate Suit. "You were on a, unknown, unregistered ship called The Betty. How did you get there? Why was the colony on LV-426 destroyed?"

-          FLASHBACK w/ Voiceover. A confused Ripley 8 tells a story that takes place not long after the events of Alien:Resurrection. She speaks of finding the Alien's home planet--something she's longed for since the Alien DNA in her yearns to find its origin. In her mind, it's like some sort of calling. Johner, Call and Vriess decide to accompany her with the intent to obliterate the planet. Based on records, possible coordinates and files Call had previously hijacked from the mainframe,  they set out on a mission to where the Alien planet might be. Call and Vriess take a separate ship, while Ripley and Johner follow in the Betty (as a precaution and to have a second ship). Ripley mentions that they are attacked by a strange spacecraft (a derelict) which leads to a chase. During the pursuit, they encounter a wormhole, almost as if the derelict is pushing them towards it. In a realistic, INTERSTELLAR sort of way, The Betty is sucked into the vortex and teleported through to the other end AND through TIME. Johner does not survive.

-          FLASHBACK TO PRESENT. The Corporate Suit is baffled by Ripley's story. He reveals to her that his name is Michael Bishop, that it is July 28th, 2179 and that they are on the Patna, along with a few military escorts, and heading intercept  the USS Sulaco. He believes she's deserted her mission on LV426 and that they received satellite imagery of Hadley's Hope being destroyed. A Medical Officer, pulls Michael aside to talk to him about his strange, test result findings while examining Ripley 8. Meanwhile, the ship gets to the Sulaco and, to the crew's amazement, they find the real Ripley, Hicks, Bishop and Newt in hypersleep--the battle with the Queen has already happened but the egg has not hatched....just yet. While exploring the ship, one of the military escorts finds the egg, but before he can alert anyone, he gets facehugged.  Meanwhile, the others awaken the real Ripley from hypersleep. Ripley meets Ripley 8 and a new adventure begins.

Boom, new timeline started. Alien 3 and 4 happened, but we're getting a sequel that acts as a new Alien 3, sort of. There's cool potential here. Two Ripleys, a dual performance by Weaver (with some CGI de-aging for the real Ripley of course). Cool scenes of Ripley-8 meeting Newt, which could be pretty haunting of executed correctly.  With Ripley 8's knowledge of the Alien Homeworld whereabouts, they set out on a new mission. Ripley-8 can even be killed off within the first half of the movie since so many seem to dislike the character.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 02:41:10 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2015, 09:17:04 PM
Ok, I just had a brain-storm along this idea of 2 separate canons.  Why not have the Core Alien canon which would be Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, and the new Alien 5, and then have a parallel Alien VS Predator canon which is basically everything Predator, everything AVP, and Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and AR?  It kind of makes sense.  The Bishop character we see in Alien 3 is made to look like the original Charles Weyland character in the first AVP film?  Any takers?

I would support this. Infact, there is a multiverse thread which sort of deals with this already. You can read it over at:

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=49750.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=49750.0)

So you know I would support the two canons.. buuuuut.. the fandom itself doesn't support this for whatever lame reason.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 03:24:30 AM
Dudes, I was just kidding.

Cloning a dead woman who fell to lava and the clone coming out with an alien foetus inside, now that's a little unrealistic, lol.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 03:28:22 AM
Quote from: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 02:40:00 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 02:01:32 AM
Ripley 8 could simply use her genetic memory powers to send her consciousness back into the body of her original and prevent the rogue xeno from causing the wreck of the Sulaco.

that or how's this for a batshit idea?

___________________________
SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE  -  SPACE                                                                                   

Silent and endless.  The stars shine like the love of God...cold and remote.  Against them drifts a tiny chip of technology.

CLOSER:  It is the BETTY, drifting lifelessly.  Without interior or running lights, it seems devoid of life.  The ships computer comes to life.  The screen flashes PROXIMITY ALERT and the coordinates of the intruder.  The PING of a ranging RADAR grows louder, closer.  A shadow engulfs The Betty.  The tiny ship is put into perspective as a MASSIVE DARK HULL descends toward it.


There we go. Open up Alien 5 in a eerily similar way that parallels Aliens. Plot points:
-          A deep salvage team finds the Betty. In it, a passed out Ripley 8 and a dead Johner. Vriess and Call are M.I.A. The salvage team is surprised to see it is Ellen Ripley. HINT: "Didn't a salvage team find her a few months ago?"  Total coincidence. A Ripley is found floating in space again.

-          Cut to, Ripley 8 awakening in setting similar to Gateway Station. She's immediately questioned by a Corporate Suit. "You were on a, unknown, unregistered ship called The Betty. How did you get there? Why was the colony on LV-426 destroyed?"

-          FLASHBACK w/ Voiceover. A confused Ripley 8 tells a story that takes place not long after the events of Alien:Resurrection. She speaks of finding the Alien's home planet--something she's longed for since the Alien DNA in her yearns to find its origin. In her mind, it's like some sort of calling. Johner, Call and Vriess decide to accompany her with the intent to obliterate the planet. Based on records, possible coordinates and files Call had previously hijacked from the mainframe,  they set out on a mission to where the Alien planet might be. Call and Vriess take a separate ship, while Ripley and Johner follow in the Betty (as a precaution and to have a second ship). Ripley mentions that they are attacked by a strange spacecraft (a derelict) which leads to a chase. During the pursuit, they encounter a wormhole, almost as if the derelict is pushing them towards it. In a realistic, INTERSTELLAR sort of way, The Betty is sucked into the vortex and teleported through to the other end AND through TIME. Johner does not survive.

-          FLASHBACK TO PRESENT. The Corporate Suit is baffled by Ripley's story. He reveals to her that his name is Michael Bishop, that it is July 28th, 2179 and that they are on the Patna, along with a few military escorts, and heading intercept  the USS Sulaco. He believes she's deserted her mission on LV426 and that they received satellite imagery of Hadley's Hope being destroyed. A Medical Officer, pulls Michael aside to talk to him about his strange, test result findings while examining Ripley 8. Meanwhile, the ship gets to the Sulaco and, to the crew's amazement, they find the real Ripley, Hicks, Bishop and Newt in hypersleep--the battle with the Queen has already happened but the egg has not hatched....just yet. While exploring the ship, one of the military escorts finds the egg, but before he can alert anyone, he gets facehugged.  Meanwhile, the others awaken the real Ripley from hypersleep. Ripley meets Ripley 8 and a new adventure begins.

Boom, new timeline started. Alien 3 and 4 happened, but we're getting a sequel that acts as a new Alien 3, sort of. There's cool potential here. Two Ripleys, a dual performance by Weaver (with some CGI de-aging for the real Ripley of course). Cool scenes of Ripley-8 meeting Newt, which could be pretty haunting of executed correctly.  With Ripley 8's knowledge of the Alien Homeworld whereabouts, they set out on a new mission. Ripley-8 can even be killed off within the first half of the movie since so many seem to dislike the character.
f**k it I'm down  :laugh: Days of Future Xenos, as Magegg said.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
They're centering the film on a bullshit idea right off the bat. That being said, watching the interview through again and listening to Blomkamp's words it sounds as though this isn't going to be a sequel that writes out A3 and Red. His words genetic sibling makes me presume that it will the evolve the franchise like Aliens did from Alien. Two films with different tones and Alien 5 will be the next step. Alien 3 was More offa step back to Alien. If this is right then I will be excited. Hope its clarified properly soon.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 04:34:23 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
They're centering the film on a bullshit idea right off the bat.

No more than Alien 3 and Resurrection themselves.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 04:40:44 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
That being said, watching the interview through again and listening to Blomkamp's words it sounds as though this isn't going to be a sequel that writes out A3 and Red. His words genetic sibling makes me presume that it will the evolve the franchise like Aliens did from Alien. Two films with different tones and Alien 5 will be the next step.

Yeah man I feel the same way.  I am confident that Weaver would never star in a movie that retcons Alien 3 & Resurrection.  She likes those movies too much for that to happen.  The "genetic sibling" comment is similar to how Ridley Scott said that the last 10 min of Prometheus will have "Alien DNA".  It basically means that it will share the same spirit and tone. 
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 04:41:20 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 04:34:23 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
They're centering the film on a bullshit idea right off the bat.

No more than Alien 3 and Resurrection themselves.

In fact we may finally be seeing a sensible direction for the franchise.  It literally is as if a bad dream were coming to an end.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 04:42:50 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 04:40:44 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
That being said, watching the interview through again and listening to Blomkamp's words it sounds as though this isn't going to be a sequel that writes out A3 and Red. His words genetic sibling makes me presume that it will the evolve the franchise like Aliens did from Alien. Two films with different tones and Alien 5 will be the next step.

Yeah man I feel the same way.  I am confident that Weaver would never star in a movie that retcons Alien 3 & Resurrection.  She likes those movies too much for that to happen.  The "genetic sibling" comment is similar to how Ridley Scott said that the last 10 min of Prometheus will have "Alien DNA".  It basically means that it will share the same spirit and tone.

And Sigourney mentioned Ripley floating in space.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:44:33 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 04:34:23 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
They're centering the film on a bullshit idea right off the bat.

No more than Alien 3 and Resurrection themselves.

Rez definitely. Alien definitely not. Alien 3 was a fitting end to Ripley saga. People are just pissed that it didn't do the same for two side characters from Aliens.


Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 04:42:50 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 04:40:44 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
That being said, watching the interview through again and listening to Blomkamp's words it sounds as though this isn't going to be a sequel that writes out A3 and Red. His words genetic sibling makes me presume that it will the evolve the franchise like Aliens did from Alien. Two films with different tones and Alien 5 will be the next step.

Yeah man I feel the same way.  I am confident that Weaver would never star in a movie that retcons Alien 3 & Resurrection.  She likes those movies too much for that to happen.  The "genetic sibling" comment is similar to how Ridley Scott said that the last 10 min of Prometheus will have "Alien DNA".  It basically means that it will share the same spirit and tone.

And Sigourney mentioned Ripley floating in space.

That it will be set between Alien and Aliens?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 04:47:33 AM
Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:44:33 AM
Rez definitely. Alien definitely not. Alien 3 was a fitting end to Ripley saga. People are just pissed that it didn't do the same for two side characters from Aliens.

You're ignoring what you said. Alien 3 and Resurrection both start from ridiculous points.


Quote from: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 04:18:53 AM
That it will be set between Alien and Aliens?

After Aliens.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: hfeldhaus on Feb 26, 2015, 05:00:20 AM
A mystery egg is not as stupid as reviving dead characters
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 06:58:22 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 25, 2015, 04:34:53 PM
I disagree, for reasons that have been very well explained here already. Newt especially has far more function than Morse or Johner. Remove Newt from Aliens and see what you're left with. Do the same for these other aforementioned characters and what happens? The movies lose a couple of one-liners.

Of course, I completely agree. Poor voice in attempting to use those characters. Newt is far more integral to the direction of Aliens than any of those. However, I still don't believe her or Hicks are integral to the over-all arc of the series. They did the job they needed to get Ripley to a different place in Aliens. Alien 3 was about proving how hopeless fighting the Alien was. It did its job.

And now I go back to reading the next 5 new pages since I went to sleep last night.


Quote from: marrerom on Feb 25, 2015, 10:07:13 PM
Calm down guys. All neil blomkamp is saying is that his film will be more like Alien and Aliens in terms of tone and themes then Alien 3 and Resurrection. Thats what he means by "genetic sibling".

That's what I'm taking from it so far. I think everyone is reading too much into it.


Quote from: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 11:11:06 PM
replying to the original scified link back in autumn


who is the dude in the middle?

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi192.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz292%2Fdjrees_2007%2F536193-G745_zps7c82bfff.jpg&hash=caee7d9680cb1e45b17d471ee75f89b320e75df9)

Just a fan, I imagine. Trevor Steedman looks nothing like that.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10533550_725838710796904_8337864966092171803_n.jpg?oh=0a37a1bde66a0cd4ca16cb74509d1df2&oe=55869EEA&__gda__=1430915171_3caddbb1d73fadeadcf987cfd0822f13)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 07:28:46 AM
The guys name is Dale

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi192.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz292%2Fdjrees_2007%2F506195-JJN2_zps007c3cd0.jpg&hash=e357c2b419928225ac2c46156a51485b77765517)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Scree on Feb 26, 2015, 07:58:01 AM
It's gonna be great to see Ripley, Johner, Vriess and Call back again in action fighting WY/Wallmart on earth. They're even gonna clone Hicks back. We're gonna have a Space Jockey ship an Alien Queen and Ripley's Alien-DNA takes more and more over her. Whats not to like? Epic stuff, man. I'm excited.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 07:59:57 AM
Quote from: Scree on Feb 26, 2015, 07:58:01 AM
It's gonna be great to see Ripley, Johner, Vriess and Call back again in action fighting WY/Wallmart on earth. They're even gonna clone Hicks back. We're gonna have a Space Jockey ship an Alien Queen and Ripley's Alien-DNA takes more and more over her. Whats not to like? Epic stuff, man. I'm excited.

Uuuuuuuuh... You MIGHT wanna look in the other threads regarding the placement of this movie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 26, 2015, 08:00:33 AM
Quote from: szkoki on Feb 25, 2015, 11:11:06 PM
replying to the original scified link back in autumn


who is the dude in the middle?

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi192.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz292%2Fdjrees_2007%2F536193-G745_zps7c82bfff.jpg&hash=caee7d9680cb1e45b17d471ee75f89b320e75df9)

Shane Ritchie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 08:05:02 AM
Ah, so it is.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 08:40:42 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 06:58:22 AMThat's what I'm taking from it so far. I think everyone is reading too much into it.

That was my view as well. While he could well mean it is literally a new sequel to Aliens, I don't think it's as definitive as some people have made out (including the media now reporting it as fact based solely on those few less than specific words). I'll wait for an official statement from the studio.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 06:58:22 AMJust a fan, I imagine. Trevor Steedman looks nothing like that.

I love Steedie. He always come across as a really down to Earth guy. The list of movies he's been in is pretty impressive! Same goes for all the stunt guys who played minor characters in the series, actually.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 08:42:35 AM
We had a chat with him (and ADC) a few years back: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/podcasts/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/podcasts/)

Episode 6 if you haven't already had a listen: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/podcasts/avpg_pc_episode06.mp3 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/podcasts/avpg_pc_episode06.mp3)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 08:47:53 AM
Ah cool, I'll check those out.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 11:00:00 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 08:42:35 AM
We had a chat with him (and ADC) a few years back: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/podcasts/ (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/podcasts/)

Episode 6 if you haven't already had a listen: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/podcasts/avpg_pc_episode06.mp3 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/files/podcasts/avpg_pc_episode06.mp3)
For some reason I want to sit down and have tea...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 11:02:40 AM
Pft. I think we're somewhat different to your "typical" British voice.  :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 11:04:41 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 11:02:40 AM
Pft. I think we're somewhat different to your "typical" British voice.  :P
You guys sound sweet and docile and was this why Steedman got no lines? :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 11:22:46 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 11:04:41 AMYou guys sound sweet and docile and was this why Steedman got no lines? :P

The irony is he's actually a hard bastard. Read a great quote from one of the American Marine actors (can't remember exactly who) on Aliens saying he used to come up to them and squeeze their biceps before saying, "Pfft, more meat on a cat's cock."
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 11:41:09 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 11:22:46 AM
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 11:04:41 AMYou guys sound sweet and docile and was this why Steedman got no lines? :P

The irony is he's actually a hard bastard. Read a great quote from one of the American Marine actors (can't remember exactly who) on Aliens saying he used to come up to them and squeeze their biceps before saying, "Pfft, more meat on a cat's cock."
HAHA  :laugh:


Wait, was that why Jonesy had to stay home? :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: stroggificated on Feb 26, 2015, 12:05:06 PM
If there's really a retcon with Hicks and Ripley, they should be all over it. Give us a new version of Space Jockeys, too. In case they are even important.

Though i can see this old producer past his prime trying to prevent it. GTFO, George Lucas!  >:(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: whiterabbit on Feb 26, 2015, 12:21:02 PM
Hey that is a legitimate gripe, if they feel fit to retcon a couple of movies then why not retcon the "engineer" space jockey from Prometheus? Of course this is why Ridley is going to produce the film. :P
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 26, 2015, 12:25:26 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 26, 2015, 02:32:30 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 02:01:32 AM
Ripley 8 could simply use her genetic memory powers to send her consciousness back into the body of her original and prevent the rogue xeno from causing the wreck of the Sulaco.

Which cryotubes would they use?

I really think we ought to discuss the cryotube situation.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 02:59:57 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 25, 2015, 10:07:13 PM
Calm down guys. All neil blomkamp is saying is that his film will be more like Alien and Aliens in terms of tone and themes then Alien 3 and Resurrection. Thats what he means by "genetic sibling".

I hear you. I'm fine with that. The only thing I've furrowed my brow at isn't Neil, but rather Weaver. She said the films deserve a proper ending which makes me wonder why she bothered with A3 and Resurrection in the first place then.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:04:56 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 02:59:57 PMI hear you. I'm fine with that. The only think I've furrowed my brow at isn't Neil, but rather Weaver. She said the films deserve a proper ending which makes me wonder why she bothered with A3 and Resurrection in the first place then.

That's another reason I'm hesitant to jump on the "it's obviously a retcon" bandwagon. Ripley's story was finished. Ripley 8's was not. And we know Weaver has expressed an interest in continuing with Ripley 8 in the past.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 26, 2015, 03:10:34 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:04:56 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 02:59:57 PMI hear you. I'm fine with that. The only think I've furrowed my brow at isn't Neil, but rather Weaver. She said the films deserve a proper ending which makes me wonder why she bothered with A3 and Resurrection in the first place then.

That's another reason I'm hesitant to jump on the "it's obviously a retcon" bandwagon. Ripley's story was finished. Ripley 8's was not. And we know Weaver has expressed an interest in continuing with Ripley 8 in the past.

It's strange (or maybe she's forgotten) but she talks about Ripley being left in space; but Ripley 8 returned to Earth at A:R'S end (or arse end). Sigourney's said repeatedly that she didn't want to do Ripley or Aliens on Earth, so maybe she's likewise open to revising the character's story.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 03:18:07 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:04:56 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 02:59:57 PMI hear you. I'm fine with that. The only think I've furrowed my brow at isn't Neil, but rather Weaver. She said the films deserve a proper ending which makes me wonder why she bothered with A3 and Resurrection in the first place then.

That's another reason I'm hesitant to jump on the "it's obviously a retcon" bandwagon. Ripley's story was finished. Ripley 8's was not. And we know Weaver has expressed an interest in continuing with Ripley 8 in the past.

Well, who knows. They did magic once with A3, they might do it again.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:27:20 PM
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 26, 2015, 03:10:34 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:04:56 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 02:59:57 PMI hear you. I'm fine with that. The only think I've furrowed my brow at isn't Neil, but rather Weaver. She said the films deserve a proper ending which makes me wonder why she bothered with A3 and Resurrection in the first place then.

That's another reason I'm hesitant to jump on the "it's obviously a retcon" bandwagon. Ripley's story was finished. Ripley 8's was not. And we know Weaver has expressed an interest in continuing with Ripley 8 in the past.

It's strange (or maybe she's forgotten) but she talks about Ripley being left in space; but Ripley 8 returned to Earth at A:R'S end (or arse end). Sigourney's said repeatedly that she didn't want to do Ripley or Aliens on Earth, so maybe she's likewise open to revising the character's story.

I followed this reasoning from Sigourney Weaver since 1992.  It strikes me that she just lacked the foresight of how much money she could stand to make if she didn't kill off the character.  Sigourney said "You can only have so much bad luck" back then.  I think she knows that this is her bread and butter and that's why she's coming back.  Fine by me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 03:30:29 PM
The character of Ripley has been milked way too much.

Ripley 8, Alexa Woods, Kelly (from AVP:R), and to an extent Shaw.

Let's just have a new character.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:27:20 PMIt strikes me that she just lacked the foresight of how much money she could stand to make if she didn't kill off the character.

Because doing things solely for the cash is such a great way to proceed.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 03:34:28 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:27:20 PMIt strikes me that she just lacked the foresight of how much money she could stand to make if she didn't kill off the character.

Because doing things solely for the cash is such a great way to proceed.

She's only human. Still stupid decisions though in terms of the films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 26, 2015, 03:37:44 PM
Sigourney isn't exactly hurting for work. I really doubt cash alone is what got her involved with another Alien film. She clearly is genuinely intrigued by what Blomkamp has up his sleeve and liked working with him enough on Chappie to want to do it again.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:47:26 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:27:20 PMIt strikes me that she just lacked the foresight of how much money she could stand to make if she didn't kill off the character.

Because doing things solely for the cash is such a great way to proceed.

You're 100% right in this case Huda.  I honestly believe she did Alien 3 out of artistic integrity.  But I think she did it rather selfishly to aggrandize her own character at the expense of the other characters and moreover the Alien franchise.  She just didn't get the appeal of the Alien series.  I don't think she has a sci-fi bone in her body and her artistic integrity while laudable was misguided.  She is misguided now too in that I think its about the money for her, and she still sees this as a way to finish "her story".  She misses the big picture.  She should never have become the producer in this series.  For Pete's sake she's just an actor.  She walked into her role as Ripley completely randomly in 1979.  The story should be driven by someone with true Sci-Fi vision, or someone who understands where the film naturally should go.

Fortunately, I think Blomkamp is not misguided.  He is an honest fan and he understands where the series should have gone.  I believe that despite Weaver's motivations, if she let's Blomkamp take the reigns we stand a good chance of getting the great film that we should have had in 92 and this will reinvigorate the series.  But there is the possibility that it will not be done well anyway.  It's so easy to drop the ball on this one.  The bar was set so high by James Cameron.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 03:56:17 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 03:30:29 PMThe character of Ripley has been milked way too much.
4 movie appearances in 20 years? Is that considered "milking"?

Ripley's the only unanimously praised protagonist from the whole franchise and spin-offs, the others got a 'meh' reaction pretty much. She's the one that began everything, I see nothing wrong in bringing her back.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2015, 03:59:24 PM
I think it's more about all the other characters being based off of her.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 04:06:40 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:47:26 PMBut I think she did it rather selfishly to aggrandize her own character at the expense of the other characters and moreover the Alien franchise.

You've said this before, and I told you then - the other characters' fates had nothing to do with Weaver. It was the writers who killed them off, and it happened before Weaver even agreed to appear in a third film
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 04:12:52 PM
So Ripley 8 not returning is now confirmed.

That was my guess from everything that Blomkamp and Weaver said.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 04:23:43 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:47:26 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:27:20 PMIt strikes me that she just lacked the foresight of how much money she could stand to make if she didn't kill off the character.

Because doing things solely for the cash is such a great way to proceed.

You're 100% right in this case Huda.  I honestly believe she did Alien 3 out of artistic integrity.  But I think she did it rather selfishly to aggrandize her own character at the expense of the other characters and moreover the Alien franchise.  She just didn't get the appeal of the Alien series.  I don't think she has a sci-fi bone in her body and her artistic integrity while laudable was misguided.  She is misguided now too in that I think its about the money for her, and she still sees this as a way to finish "her story".  She misses the big picture.  She should never have become the producer in this series.  For Pete's sake she's just an actor.  She walked into her role as Ripley completely randomly in 1979.  The story should be driven by someone with true Sci-Fi vision, or someone who understands where the film naturally should go.

Hardly. She did Ghostbusters not long after Alien and returned for that sequel so her not "having a sci-fi bone in her body" sounds like a load of tosh.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 04:25:18 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 04:23:43 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:47:26 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:27:20 PMIt strikes me that she just lacked the foresight of how much money she could stand to make if she didn't kill off the character.

Because doing things solely for the cash is such a great way to proceed.

You're 100% right in this case Huda.  I honestly believe she did Alien 3 out of artistic integrity.  But I think she did it rather selfishly to aggrandize her own character at the expense of the other characters and moreover the Alien franchise.  She just didn't get the appeal of the Alien series.  I don't think she has a sci-fi bone in her body and her artistic integrity while laudable was misguided.  She is misguided now too in that I think its about the money for her, and she still sees this as a way to finish "her story".  She misses the big picture.  She should never have become the producer in this series.  For Pete's sake she's just an actor.  She walked into her role as Ripley completely randomly in 1979.  The story should be driven by someone with true Sci-Fi vision, or someone who understands where the film naturally should go.

Hardly. She did Ghostbusters not long after Alien and returned for that sequel so her not "having a sci-fi bone in her body" sounds like a load of tosh.

I think it is more a case of her being type-cast at that point than her being an actual fan...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 04:23:43 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:47:26 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:27:20 PMIt strikes me that she just lacked the foresight of how much money she could stand to make if she didn't kill off the character.

Because doing things solely for the cash is such a great way to proceed.

You're 100% right in this case Huda.  I honestly believe she did Alien 3 out of artistic integrity.  But I think she did it rather selfishly to aggrandize her own character at the expense of the other characters and moreover the Alien franchise.  She just didn't get the appeal of the Alien series.  I don't think she has a sci-fi bone in her body and her artistic integrity while laudable was misguided.  She is misguided now too in that I think its about the money for her, and she still sees this as a way to finish "her story".  She misses the big picture.  She should never have become the producer in this series.  For Pete's sake she's just an actor.  She walked into her role as Ripley completely randomly in 1979.  The story should be driven by someone with true Sci-Fi vision, or someone who understands where the film naturally should go.

Hardly. She did Ghostbusters not long after Alien and returned for that sequel so her not "having a sci-fi bone in her body" sounds like a load of tosh.
Yeah and she did Avatar and now Chappie.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 04:34:09 PM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 04:23:43 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:47:26 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 03:27:20 PMIt strikes me that she just lacked the foresight of how much money she could stand to make if she didn't kill off the character.

Because doing things solely for the cash is such a great way to proceed.

You're 100% right in this case Huda.  I honestly believe she did Alien 3 out of artistic integrity.  But I think she did it rather selfishly to aggrandize her own character at the expense of the other characters and moreover the Alien franchise.  She just didn't get the appeal of the Alien series.  I don't think she has a sci-fi bone in her body and her artistic integrity while laudable was misguided.  She is misguided now too in that I think its about the money for her, and she still sees this as a way to finish "her story".  She misses the big picture.  She should never have become the producer in this series.  For Pete's sake she's just an actor.  She walked into her role as Ripley completely randomly in 1979.  The story should be driven by someone with true Sci-Fi vision, or someone who understands where the film naturally should go.

Hardly. She did Ghostbusters not long after Alien and returned for that sequel so her not "having a sci-fi bone in her body" sounds like a load of tosh.
Yeah and she did Avatar and now Chappie.

Type-cast
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 04:38:28 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 04:34:09 PMType-cast

Eyewitness? Half Moon Street? Gorillas in the Mist? Working Girl? Copycat? Exodus? She's done a ton of non-sci-fi movies.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 04:46:37 PM
She wasn't typecast in Avatar or Chappie. She wasn't playing a saviour; the last hope.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 04:53:08 PM
Anyway with regards to Sigourney Weaver I'm just speaking from my observations.  None of us is inside her head.  I honestly believe that in all likelihood all the sci-fi roles she does is as a result of calculated marketing decisions on behalf of her agency.  They know that she is the sci-fi queen.  But do any of you really think that she sits around reading sci-fi books in her spare time?  Really?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:04:47 PM
She doesn't have to in order to be a fan of sci-fi. I don't read sci-fi novels or comics but I enjoy the genre in film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Valaquen on Feb 26, 2015, 05:12:04 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:04:47 PM
She doesn't have to in order to be a fan of sci-fi. I don't read sci-fi novels or comics but I enjoy the genre in film.

Same here.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 05:45:53 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 05:04:47 PM
She doesn't have to in order to be a fan of sci-fi. I don't read sci-fi novels or comics but I enjoy the genre in film.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 26, 2015, 04:46:37 PM
She wasn't typecast in Avatar or Chappie. She wasn't playing a saviour; the last hope.
Double this.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 06:13:19 PM
We're kind of arguing the same point.  I am all for Sigourney doing Alien 5 as a retcon.  I'm just speculating on he machinations that got her to this point.  Clearly she was convinced in 92 that that was the way to go.  Now she has a different perspective.  Time has a way of doing that to people though.  Her inner motivations are really anybody's guess.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 06:59:45 PM
As I just said in another thread:

Personally, while I'm upset they're apparently retconning the later films (although I'm still waiting for the studio to actually confirm this), at the end of the day, if that's what's being done, I'm excited to be getting a new movie. I'm not gonna lose sleep over it, even if I do think it was a lame move that just unnecessarily muddies the waters. It's not like my being angry and resentful will change anything. I just hope Blomkamp has some decent ideas for his film.

Of course, if the new movie sucks, then I'll be genuinely pissed.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 07:12:26 PM
You know, no matter what people say, I think it's just infinitely cheaper to make a complete "reboot" with different main characters, and I wouldn't be interested on seeing that, AvP tried to do that and it fell flat, new directors simply don't understand how to create great characters, and for them the Alien series is nothing but a slasher film franchise.

I'd be much more interested on seeing Ripley back on tracks.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 07:29:03 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 07:12:26 PMnew directors simply don't understand how to create great characters, and for them the Alien series is nothing but a slasher film franchise.

That's a ridiculous thing to say. If they put the effort in they can absolutely make interesting new characters.

The problem with AVP was they didn't give a shit.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 26, 2015, 07:35:26 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 07:29:03 PM
The problem with AVP was they didn't give a shit.

I don't think that's remotely accurate. Say what you want about his abilities, but the guy is a genuine fan (and if you don't believe that, listen to the commentary of Event Horizon. Shit, watch Event Horizon and tell me it's not influenced by Aliens). Watch the special features on AvP and listen to the commentaries - that movie was more than a new conservatory for PwsA.
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Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 07:37:14 PM
I was referring to the human characters. The characters in AVP weren't even remotely developed, and I never got the impression they particularly cared about making them interesting. They were just there.

Event Horizon is an infinitely better film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 26, 2015, 07:38:44 PM
I don't know what they are going to do, but I really doubt that Neill is up to just dismiss Alien 3 and Alien: R.

As a director, a quite young and "new"director and one with quite a great taste and a lover of SCI FI, im pretty sure he respects both Fincher and Jeunet, regardless of his opinion on A3 and A:R.

So i'm confident he will find a way to do his thing without dismissing those two movies, but not necessarily referencing them or continuing on them. I have no idea how this can be done, and the ideas some people have about how doing it are mostly horrible...

We will see.

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
What would Fincher care? He couldn't disown that piece of garbage quickly enough...
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Post by: Ulfer on Feb 26, 2015, 07:44:13 PM
Ah, the craze about this new Alien movie... We've had Prometheus : I thought people would have been vaccinated by now in what regards great, too great maybe, expectations... (What surprises me the most is the response to the concept arts before the announcement : I don't see anything transcendental there). Maybe Prometheus 2 will be better (I hope so).

But I'm not really enthusiastic about "Alien 5". I hope they will take the "good" road, and produce a very good movie, one to watch again with pleasure, a memorable one. Which means that there must be originality there. There must be flair. At least the experience of Prometheus - immense potential, but a mitigated result, in part because of "hollywoodian" reasons I guess - shows certain things to avoid. Between Prometheus and Interstellar, I choose Interstellar, easily, and I guess it's the kind of comment the studios could ponder about.

I hope that this next Alien movie will follow the steps of the first in what regards originality and awe. The collaboration with Giger and other talented artists made the first Alien magnificent visually and there was specifically a depth in Giger's work that nourished the imagination, the nightmare, the dread, etc. Prometheus 2 and this next Alien movie are the most adequate movies where we could find truly bizarre, awe and fear inducing elements of that kind. So I hope I won't be greatly disappointed in that area.

I don't know if the celebrated xeno has much cinematographic originality left to it. Variations on what we've already had, I can love it in a video game like Alien Isolation, which is excellent ; but it's not really what I expect in another movie, the fifth (in the AvP movies, they've used quite blankly the "Alien" recipe we all know - oh, eggs ; argh, chest-burster, etc. - and it's of course useless if there is nothing else on that point in the next Alien movie) or sixth in the Alien universe. So it will be a difficult aspect for the team working on the movie...

On the other hand, the cinematographic Alien universe remains extremely tiny. There are many ways of broadening the human aspect, show much more of the dystopian future society drafted in the movies, add depth to the quite simple elements of scenario and characterization of the Company, for example.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 26, 2015, 07:47:42 PM
Quote from: Russ on Feb 26, 2015, 07:35:26 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 07:29:03 PM
The problem with AVP was they didn't give a shit.

I don't think that's remotely accurate. Say what you want about his abilities, but the guy is a genuine fan (and if you don't believe that, listen to the commentary of Event Horizon. Shit, watch Event Horizon and tell me it's not influenced by Aliens). Watch the special features on AvP and listen to the commentaries - that movie was more than a new conservatory for PwsA.

P ws A is a nice guy, that loves cinema and the genre, and Even Horizon is a hell of a movie (not perfect at all, but damn entertaining), and the first Resident Evil is watchable, but the guy man, he really is untalented. And the way he is squeezing the RE franchise is beyond shame. Cinema would be much better if this guy decided to work in something else like I don't know, playing the banjo or sexing chickens.


Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
What would Fincher care? He couldn't disown that piece of garbage quickly enough...

Its not that Fincher cares (that I am sure he cares a lot, if not he won't have the need to disown it so strongly).

I don't know, I won't be comfortable in his position... Even If what I had to discard was AVP, AVPR or Prometheus! It would feel wrong.

But anyway, thats just my opinion, maybe he doesn't give a shit.

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 08:15:22 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 07:29:03 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 07:12:26 PMnew directors simply don't understand how to create great characters, and for them the Alien series is nothing but a slasher film franchise.

That's a ridiculous thing to say. If they put the effort in they can absolutely make interesting new characters.

The problem with AVP was they didn't give a shit.
Anyways, bringing Weaving back on board could be an incentive for the studio to give a crap and craft the movie much more carefully.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 08:18:15 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
What would Fincher care? He couldn't disown that piece of garbage quickly enough...

Nice twisting & turning. FOX made his life a living hell. The movie itself is excellent and beyond any expectations, especially  considering the circumstances. Blows ALIENS out of the water. Unfortunately the Cameron touch tainted the franchise so badly that anything that isn't ALIENS 2 is considered "garbage" that has to be retconned no matter what.
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Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:19:30 PM
So the new timeline will be:


Prometheus---------ProII-----------Alien -------------- Aliens ----------------------------Alien 5 (Time will likely be years after Aliens)

                                                                                  Alien 3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Alien: R (alternate timeline)


I think Ripley's death is what the issue is.  By her dying in 3, it left not many places to go for 4.  So they went the clone route.  It seems by starting after II.  You have Ripley in Cryo-Sleep.  But where's Newt?  I mean this could cause a lot of issues with the story cause everyone's older.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 08:22:32 PM
I wonder if Predator will be canon in the new timeline. ???
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 08:23:08 PM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:19:30 PMSo the new timeline will be:

Again though, it really hasn't been confirmed the later films are being retconned.

It seems they're going that way, but no one's actually outright said so, and certainly not the studio.
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Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:28:55 PM
^^^^^

Oh, I thought it was confirmed today.  It's all over social media about it taking place after "Aliens". Plus if you look at Niel's concept art, he does have Hick's alive.  Again I liked Alien 3 though I know it has flaws. I was lukewarm on 4 but I liked 3, saw it when I was young. 
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 08:33:57 PM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:28:55 PMOh, I thought it was confirmed today.  It's all over social media about it taking place after "Aliens".

What Blomkamp said was definitely open to interpretation, yet everyone's seized upon it as meaning the later films are absolutely being retconned.

Personally, I'd rather wait until Fox have confirmed it before accepting it as fact.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 08:36:39 PM
^This, but I have to admit, it is pretty hard for me to not get a little excited at the prospect of having Newt's death retconned away. :)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:47:24 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 08:18:15 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
What would Fincher care? He couldn't disown that piece of garbage quickly enough...

Nice twisting & turning. FOX made his life a living hell. The movie itself is excellent and beyond any expectations, especially  considering the circumstances. Blows ALIENS out of the water. Unfortunately the Cameron touch tainted the franchise so badly that anything that isn't ALIENS 2 is considered "garbage" that has to be retconned no matter what.

I get it, you don't like Aliens but let's be realistic here. Aliens is widely regarded as at least one of the best action movies ever made. Alien 3 was pilloried even before it's release because of all the production problems, then it was released and was panned by the majority of critics for a variety of reasons. Not Fincher's fault, it could have been far worse in the hands of a lesser director, but it was still a mess which derailed the series...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 08:47:52 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 08:22:32 PM
I wonder if Predator will be canon in the new timeline. ???

Personally? I hope not.. And this is coming from someone who likes Alien and Predator being in the same universe. So long as PREDATORS is not counted anyway...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 08:48:51 PM
Predators should stay.  It's really not that bad of a film and even if it were, cutting it out just feeds the retcon beast.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 08:50:34 PM
^This, the entire nightmare started with the "retconning" of the AVP films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Crazy Rich on Feb 26, 2015, 08:50:58 PM
After getting some thoughts together. I'm overall pretty disheartened that the next movie plans to treat Alien 3 and Resurrection like they never existed, and this is coming from someone who was saying that these movies will still exist for our enjoyment regardless of what they do with this new movie, and I said this when it wasn't even official yet.

I can kinda live with Resurrection being ignored, although it did have it's moments, if you look at the behind the scenes for the basketball scene you realize more how amazing that scene is. But Alien 3 is a movie that while it for sure has it's problems, it actually isn't that bad, the Assembly Cut in particular is a pretty darn good and enjoyable watch and the ending is so meaningful. Rather than give in and attempt to have the Queen removed for her own survival she sacrificed herself to save all of humanity from the nightmare and the horrors she endured for so long, and then you see the shot of the sun rising up again and seeing the darkness engulfing the planet surface being purged by the light of the sun. How can you get any more of a noble and powerful ending? I don't think Blomkamp can ever top that.

Looking at the concept art, some of it is okay, but then the other stuff, well, thinking that it'll end up in the movie is like a chalkboard scratching another chalkboard in my brain. Other than that I don't really know who this Blomkamp guy is, people keep saying he directed District 9, well I never saw that so you're not really telling me anything. Sigourney Weaver... I'll be honest and say I can't stay mad at her, her character Ellen Ripley is only just one of my most favourite movie heroines ever.

Maybe I'm being too hard on the new movie. I mean initially I was pretty damn hard on Alien Isolation when it was announced because I was still feeling the aftermath of Aliens: Colonial Marines which was not only one of the worst things ever but we were actually tricked by false advertisement. But as it turns out Alien Isolation is the greatest thing since Alien and Aliens and it's been swimming in awards and praise, and it's an installment I'll always treasure.

So maybe I should just wait and see how things actually develop for this new Alien movie, maybe I might come around if I hear things I like, and of course movies like Alien 3 will still exist for our enjoyment regardless of what they do with the new film... but for now I'm still cynical about it and this Alien 3 clip is more than fitting to how I generally feel about Blomkamp's official Alien movie announcement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du4IoVgOJdU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du4IoVgOJdU#ws)

P.S - I never mentioned Prometheus because even though others on the internet have mentioned it... why are people even worried about it? I'm sure if Ridley Scott wants to do Prometheus 2 it's going to happen, I mean, they don't really conflict with each other, one is a continuity of the main alien storyline and the other is a continuity of a spin-off. I'm not seeing the issue here.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 09:03:51 PM
I thought Prometheus 2/Paradise was a done deal.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:11:19 PM
I dont care about Prometheus/Prometheus 2 AT ALL at this point.  Especially after an Alien 5 announcement. 

Prometheus had no desire itself to be an ALIEN movie, so why should I even consider it as such myself?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 09:13:05 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:11:19 PM
I dont care about Prometheus/Prometheus 2 AT ALL at this point.  Especially after an Alien 5 announcement. 

Prometheus had no desire itself to be an ALIEN movie, so why should I even consider it as such myself?

Don't you want the story to be finished?
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:14 PM
Of course, we want the story finished but it is disgraceful how much Prometheus tried to advertise itself as an Alien movie when it wanted to be something completely different.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:58 PM
Hey, I love Alien: Resurrection but I wouldn't mind if it's plain wiped out of continuity. Same for Spider-Man 3 and X-Men: The Last Stand.

Simply there could have been better, less underwhelming ways to develop the sequel...

Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 09:13:05 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:11:19 PM
I dont care about Prometheus/Prometheus 2 AT ALL at this point.  Especially after an Alien 5 announcement. 

Prometheus had no desire itself to be an ALIEN movie, so why should I even consider it as such myself?

Don't you want the story to be finished?
Alien 3 concluded the story. Alien Rez was nothing but an artificial (literally, because of the cloning) way to extend the franchise's life. There's no point on trying to carry on with that, because as the way it is, the story would never be "concluded".
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:14 PM
Of course, we want the story finished but it is disgraceful how much Prometheus tried to advertise itself as an Alien movie when it wanted to be something completely different.

I agree that it was a bait and switch, but with the deacon and the hope of seeing the Engineer homeworld, the next film promises to be amazing.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:22:10 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:58 PM
Hey, I love Alien: Resurrection but I wouldn't mind if it's plain wiped out of continuity. Same for Spider-Man 3 and X-Men: The Last Stand.

In the case of X-Men, Last Stand was erased... and so were the rest of the other X-Men films thanks to Days of Futures Past.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 26, 2015, 09:22:47 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:58 PM
Hey, I love Alien: Resurrection but I wouldn't mind if it's plain wiped out of continuity. Same for Spider-Man 3 and X-Men: The Last Stand.

Simply there could have been better, less underwhelming ways to develop the sequel...

Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 09:13:05 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:11:19 PM
I dont care about Prometheus/Prometheus 2 AT ALL at this point.  Especially after an Alien 5 announcement. 

Prometheus had no desire itself to be an ALIEN movie, so why should I even consider it as such myself?

I would have been perfectly happy if Alien 3 was the last we saw of the Alien, but after A:R, AVP prometheus etc. we NEED another good movie about that unvierse....Let's hope Neill can do that, whatever they do story-wise.

Don't you want the story to be finished?
Alien 3 concluded the story. Alien Rez was nothing but an artificial (literally, because of the cloning) way to extend the franchise's life. There's no point on trying to carry on with that, because as the way it is, the story would never be "concluded".
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Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:24:59 PM
Ill eventually see P2 just because, BUT I dont like the way Prometheus turned out and I hated its reveal/explanation for the Space Jockey.  Prometheus is NON-CANON to me personally.  Just like A:R and the AVP movies.  Fun movies in their own right on their own....but not true ALIEN films. 

That's that.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 26, 2015, 09:25:26 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:58 PM
Hey, I love Alien: Resurrection but I wouldn't mind if it's plain wiped out of continuity. Same for Spider-Man 3 and X-Men: The Last Stand.

Simply there could have been better, less underwhelming ways to develop the sequel...

Those movies weren't very good, but again, if you cut out parts of franchises that you just don't like, you undercut the whole idea of having running franchises to begin with.

QuoteAlien 3 concluded the story. Alien Rez was nothing but an artificial (literally, because of the cloning) way to extend the franchise's life. There's no point on trying to carry on with that, because as the way it is, the story would never be "concluded".

I was actually referring specifically to Prometheus but my point stands.  Resurrection may have been an attempted cash cow but it's been an accepted part of the franchise for almost two decades now and cutting it out undercuts the integrity of the franchise.  Why even bother to make sequels at all if the whole thing is just going to be chopped and screwed later on?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 09:27:45 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 08:47:24 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 26, 2015, 08:18:15 PM
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 26, 2015, 07:42:10 PM
What would Fincher care? He couldn't disown that piece of garbage quickly enough...

Nice twisting & turning. FOX made his life a living hell. The movie itself is excellent and beyond any expectations, especially  considering the circumstances. Blows ALIENS out of the water. Unfortunately the Cameron touch tainted the franchise so badly that anything that isn't ALIENS 2 is considered "garbage" that has to be retconned no matter what.

I get it, you don't like Aliens but let's be realistic here. Aliens is widely regarded as at least one of the best action movies ever made. Alien 3 was pilloried even before it's release because of all the production problems, then it was released and was panned by the majority of critics for a variety of reasons. Not Fincher's fault, it could have been far worse in the hands of a lesser director, but it was still a mess which derailed the series...
Don't take him too seriously. He's still in the "Anger" stage of grief. Who knows if he'll ever get to "acceptance" but yeah he got much more aggressive compared to the "denial" phase that has been going on since Neill's "might officially be my next project" tweet. And it's understandable.

Stating opinion as fact is a bit heavy though. Specially when that opinion is in the minority.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 09:28:18 PM
"I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be)
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Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 09:30:15 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:22:10 PM
Hey, I love Alien: Resurrection but I wouldn't mind if it's plain wiped out of continuity. Same for Spider-Man 3

How was Spider-man 3 retconned?

Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:14 PM
Of course, we want the story finished but it is disgraceful how much Prometheus tried to advertise itself as an Alien movie when it wanted to be something completely different.

Throughout its pre-production Ridley stated in many interviews it was going in the new direction just set in the same universe.

Quote from: Crazy Rich on Feb 26, 2015, 08:50:58 PM
she sacrificed herself to save all of humanity from the nightmare and the horrors she endured for so long, and then you see the shot of the sun rising up again and seeing the darkness engulfing the planet surface being purged by the light of the sun. How can you get any more of a noble and powerful ending? I don't think Blomkamp can ever top that.

Completely agree. Booted even more by the recording she made at the end of Alien.

End of transmission.
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Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:31:12 PM
Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 09:25:26 PMThose movies weren't very good
Well, I think they were really enjoyable, just not the way the route the movies should have gone. That's also what I think about Alien Resurrection.
And as for Alien 3, there's a HUGE amount of people that find them both boring, underwhelming and a bad closure to the trilogy.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:22:10 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:58 PM
Hey, I love Alien: Resurrection but I wouldn't mind if it's plain wiped out of continuity. Same for Spider-Man 3 and X-Men: The Last Stand.

In the case of X-Men, Last Stand was erased... and so were the rest of the other X-Men films thanks to Days of Futures Past.
Yeah, X-Men could pull it in a very clever way because of:
1.- It took advantage of the classic comic book storyline
2.- It tied in with the recent prequel movies
3.- The X-Men universe is highly unrealistic sci-fi already, so introducing a sort of time travel thing didn't seem forced.

As for Alien, I wouldn't like an in-continuity retcon (like what X-Men or Star Trek did). Time travel wouldn't fit in this relatively "low" sci-fi series, and I plain don't want them to spend a whole movie trying to reconcile with Alien 3 and Rez and trying too hard for everything to make sense.

Just go and pretend Alien 3 and Rez never happened (like what X-Men: DoFP opening scenes did to The Wolverine's post-credits scene), ignore that completely and let's do a kickass Alien movie, that's all I want.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:22:10 PM
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Feb 26, 2015, 08:50:58 PM
she sacrificed herself to save all of humanity from the nightmare and the horrors she endured for so long, and then you see the shot of the sun rising up again and seeing the darkness engulfing the planet surface being purged by the light of the sun. How can you get any more of a noble and powerful ending? I don't think Blomkamp can ever top that.

Completely agree. Booted even more by the recording she made at the end of Alien.
And yet, people didn't like it.

Talk all good you want about the movie but most of the audience didn't like it at all and they wanted something different for the franchise.
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Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:31:50 PM

Quote from: Horrific Hominid on Feb 26, 2015, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:14 PM
Of course, we want the story finished but it is disgraceful how much Prometheus tried to advertise itself as an Alien movie when it wanted to be something completely different.

I agree that it was a bait and switch, but with the deacon and the hope of seeing the Engineer homeworld, the next film promises to be amazing.

Not to rain on your parade, but Ridley has stated he doesn't want to do the "gods and dragons" motif (aka Engineers and Aliens) anymore in future films so I wouldn't hold my breath on seeing the Engineer homeworld. :(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:33:38 PM
Quote from: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 09:28:18 PM
"I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be)

....Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:33:50 PM
Quote from: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 09:28:18 PM
"I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be)

very interesting, I like that Sigourney pretty much says that she didnt like the way the movies went by the end of the last 2 films.  And I think Blomkamp is pretty much saying that he doesnt want to officially retcon A3/AR, just ignore them and make the movie he want for HIS vision, which I fully support.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:18 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:31:12 PMYeah, X-Men could pull it in a very clever way because of:
1.- It took advantage of the classic comic book storyline
2.- It tied in with the recent prequel movies
3.- The X-Men universe is highly unrealistic sci-fi already, so introducing a sort of time travel thing didn't seem forced.

Except they then went and totally f*cked it by resurrecting Patrick Stewart without a single f*cking word of explanation. I've literally never seen such a blatant lack of bothering to explain yourself in a film.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:33 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:33:50 PM
very interesting, I like that Sigourney pretty much says that she didnt like the way the movies went by the end.  And I think Blomkamp is pretty much saying that he doesnt want to officially retcon A3/AR, just ignore them and make the movie he want for HIS vision, which I fully support.

So this is like PREDATORS again, where it ignored Predator to AvP-R and was more or less a direct sequel to the original Predator.

More and more, this is sounding like what Godzilla 1985 did... Serve as a sequel to the original 1954 movie, and ignore the rest. Meaning we COULD be looking at different timelines. Guys... Are we looking at different timelines now?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:40:45 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:33 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:33:50 PM
very interesting, I like that Sigourney pretty much says that she didnt like the way the movies went by the end.  And I think Blomkamp is pretty much saying that he doesnt want to officially retcon A3/AR, just ignore them and make the movie he want for HIS vision, which I fully support.

So this is like PREDATORS again, where it ignored Predator to AvP-R and was more or less a direct sequel to the original Predator.

More and more, this is sounding like what Godzilla 1985 did... Serve as a sequel to the original 1954 movie, and ignore the rest. Meaning we COULD be looking at different timelines. Guys... Are we looking at different timelines now?

I think you might just get the "different timeline" confirmation youve been hoping for :)  Which I would also like and be  perfectly fine with.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 09:41:01 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:31:12 PM
As for Alien, I wouldn't like an in-continuity retcon (like what X-Men or Star Trek did). Time travel wouldn't fit in this relatively "low" sci-fi series, and I plain don't want them to spend a whole movie trying to reconcile with Alien 3 and Rez and trying too hard for everything to make sense.

If they took notes from Interstellar, which is a sci-fi flick more grounded in reality. Time Travel could work, IMHO.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:41:36 PM
Quote from: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 09:28:18 PM
"I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihfeibtCQ&feature=youtu.be)

I dunno, that may be his way of saying he's not decanonizing them while at the same time trying to set his movie in a different universe.  Assuming this isn't a retcon, the only way Neil can pull this off is if his new movie is a secret interquel or if Ripley and Hicks are synthetic copies of the originals.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:42:13 PM
Quote from: GQSioux on Feb 26, 2015, 09:41:01 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:31:12 PM
As for Alien, I wouldn't like an in-continuity retcon (like what X-Men or Star Trek did). Time travel wouldn't fit in this relatively "low" sci-fi series, and I plain don't want them to spend a whole movie trying to reconcile with Alien 3 and Rez and trying too hard for everything to make sense.

If they took notes from Interstellar, which is a sci-fi flick more grounded in reality. Time Travel could work, IMHO.
Interstellar has always been about astrophysics. Alien's more about biology, I guess.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 09:42:21 PM
Alien 0.3: Choose Your Own Adventure
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:42:45 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:41:36 PMAssuming this isn't a retcon, the only way Neil can pull this off is if his new movie is a secret interquel or if Ripley and Hicks are synthetic copies of the originals.

Both of which are crap ideas.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:42:57 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:40:45 PM
I think you might just get the "different timeline" confirmation youve been hoping for :)  Which I would also like and be  perfectly fine with.

If that is the case, I will be so happy! Like.. you wouldn't believe how happy.

Then it would be a matter of organizing every movie and it's placement.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:18 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:31:12 PMYeah, X-Men could pull it in a very clever way because of:
1.- It took advantage of the classic comic book storyline
2.- It tied in with the recent prequel movies
3.- The X-Men universe is highly unrealistic sci-fi already, so introducing a sort of time travel thing didn't seem forced.

Except they then went and totally f*cked it by resurrecting Patrick Stewart without a single f*cking word of explanation. I've literally never seen such a blatant lack of bothering to explain yourself in a film.
And audiences still weren't angry and loved the film. Yet another proof that you don't need for big explanations and a simple retcon can work in the end.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:46:25 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:43:55 PMAnd audiences still weren't angry and loved the film. Yet another proof that you don't need for big explanations and a simple retcon can work in the end.

:laugh: You slag off Alien 3 for having a magic egg, but a person just miraculously pops back to life in X-Men with no explanation whatsoever and you're fine with it.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:47:10 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:42:57 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:40:45 PM
I think you might just get the "different timeline" confirmation youve been hoping for :)  Which I would also like and be  perfectly fine with.

If that is the case, I will be so happy! Like.. you wouldn't believe how happy.

Then it would be a matter of organizing every movie and it's placement.

Yeah, I seriously think this is just new timeline stuff; as I said before, Fox won't shit on two movies that can still make them money nor would they want to anger too many fans after the AVP films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:51:53 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:47:10 PM
Yeah, I seriously think this is just new timeline stuff; as I said before, Fox won't shit on two movies that can still make them money nor would they want to anger too many fans after the AVP films.

I hope Fox is doing what Toho did with the Godzilla franchise when they were doing the Heisei era films.. If that's the case, everybody wins and I mean everybody!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:53:47 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 09:46:25 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:43:55 PMAnd audiences still weren't angry and loved the film. Yet another proof that you don't need for big explanations and a simple retcon can work in the end.

:laugh: You slag off Alien 3 for having a magic egg, but a person just miraculously pops back to life in X-Men with no explanation whatsoever and you're fine with it.
I don't care about magic eggs or anything, I just disliked Alien 3 because of the killing of beloved characters, for being bored, depressing and underwhelming, after what a great ride Alien and Aliens were.

As for the X-Men films, THERE ARE explanation for those plotholes, you only have to make a little of research.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 09:58:00 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:53:47 PM
I don't care about magic eggs or anything, I just disliked Alien 3 because of the killing of beloved characters, for being bored, depressing and underwhelming, after what a great ride Alien and Aliens were.

You're missing out on one hell of story dude. :-*

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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:53:47 PMAs for the X-Men films, THERE ARE explanation for those plotholes, you only have to make a little of research.

:laugh: Why the hell should I have to? The film should bother to explain it. Not doing that is insulting to the audience, like they're expecting us not to ask questions.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:02:53 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:53:47 PMAs for the X-Men films, THERE ARE explanation for those plotholes, you only have to make a little of research.

:laugh: Why the hell should I have to? The film should bother to explain it. Not doing that is insulting to the audience, like they're expecting us not to ask questions.

I agree with this, a true writer writes a story seamlessly; lesser creators make stories filled with plot holes then rely on fans to do their job for them. :(
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:08:11 PM
Here are the options:

Option 1:
Take place after the 4 alien movies.  Sequel to Resurrection.  Bad idea in my opinion as I believe that Ripley 8 is a bad character and the story is in a bad spot at that moment.

Option 2:
Retcon Alien 3 and A:R out of existence.  They never happened.  Kinda harsh imo as A3 at least has its moments and has been considered canon for the last 22 years. 

Option 3:
Take place after Alien 3 with new characters.  Ripley is gone and dead.  Could potentially work imo, however Sigourney is going to most certainly be involved so this is unlikely, especially considering Sigourney and Blomkamp's recent comments in interviews. 

Option 4:
Alternate timeline/canon.  Takes place after AL()ENS in place of Alien 3/A:R.  A3/A:R arent retconned "out of existance", they are just ignored for the sake of this new story's different take on the direction of the franchise.  imo, this is the best option that has the greatest potential and will anger the least amount of fans.



What do you guys think?...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:06 PM
A good director/writer knows when there's a need for explain something and when is not.

Ignoring stuff might serve for a purpose; for example, the less they talk about X-Men: The Last Stand, specially Xavier's death, the better, since people didn't like or cared much about that movie. Those themes were only ignored or left in the background.

Singer didn't have to explain much on that for their movie to work and it was still much loved. There's no need for over-explaining everything to death. The only true need for the movie is to be enjoyable and good by its own, everything else is secondary.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:41 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:08:11 PM
Option 4:
Alternate timeline/canon.  Takes place after AL()ENS in place of Alien 3/A:R.  A3/A:R arent retconned "out of existance, they are just ignored for the sake of this new story's different take on the direction of the franchise.  imo, this is the best option that has the greatest potential and will anger the least amount of fans.

[Relentlessly hits the button for Option Four]

This! Strongly this!!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:10:22 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:06 PMA good director/writer knows when there's a need for explain something and when is not.

There's literally no excuse for not bothering to explain why a main character who died is suddenly resurrected.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 10:11:14 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:08:11 PM
Option 5:
Take place after Alien with new characters and setting.

This.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:12:05 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:10:22 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:06 PMA good director/writer knows when there's a need for explain something and when is not.

There's literally no excuse for not bothering to explain why a main character who died is suddenly resurrected.

^As an impartial observer, I have to say it's REALLY hard to argue with this logic.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 10:12:43 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:40:45 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 09:37:33 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 09:33:50 PM
very interesting, I like that Sigourney pretty much says that she didnt like the way the movies went by the end.  And I think Blomkamp is pretty much saying that he doesnt want to officially retcon A3/AR, just ignore them and make the movie he want for HIS vision, which I fully support.

So this is like PREDATORS again, where it ignored Predator to AvP-R and was more or less a direct sequel to the original Predator.

More and more, this is sounding like what Godzilla 1985 did... Serve as a sequel to the original 1954 movie, and ignore the rest. Meaning we COULD be looking at different timelines. Guys... Are we looking at different timelines now?

I think you might just get the "different timeline" confirmation youve been hoping for :)  Which I would also like and be  perfectly fine with.


Hmmm, I could live with 2 different timelines.  It's a good compromise between both different camps of fanboys.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:14:30 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 10:12:43 PMHmmm, I could live with 2 different timelines.  It's a good compromise between both different camps of fanboys.

But how is that any different from just scrapping the third and fourth films? It's not like they're ever going to do more sequels to the original movies, because that would just be confusing as hell for the general public.

So it's just retcon with a different label.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 10:18:06 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:14:30 PM
So it's just retcon with a different label.

Yeah, as i've tried to say in a couple other places, only the fans are really going to care about "Timeline A" "Timeline B" or whatever. The general audience doesn't care about that. They care that they are entertained by the movie.

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 10:20:45 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 10:11:14 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:08:11 PM
Option 5:
Take place after Alien with new characters and setting.

This.

You want to retcon Aliens?  Was it too good?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:21:04 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 26, 2015, 10:11:14 PM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 26, 2015, 10:08:11 PM
Option 5:
Take place after Alien with new characters and setting.

This.

Would be very interesting, but probably not gonna happen since Ripley IS going to be in it, and Blomkamp said he wants it to acknowledge Alien and Aliens.

Obviously, there are many other options than just the 4 I typed, but many other options are just unlikely, so I didnt bother typing them ALL up.  You could probably think up dozens of potential options.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:21:54 PM

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:14:30 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 10:12:43 PMHmmm, I could live with 2 different timelines.  It's a good compromise between both different camps of fanboys.

But how is that any different from just scrapping the third and fourth films? It's not like they're ever going to do more sequels to the original movies, because that would just be confusing as hell for the general public.

So it's just retcon with a different label.

Meh, fans have been pulling this since the AVP films came out, and Fox actually listens to them.  If they get to officially decanonize the films they want, then I should at least get a chance to decanonize the ones I want out, at least that's my reasoning. :-\
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 10:25:56 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:14:30 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 10:12:43 PMHmmm, I could live with 2 different timelines.  It's a good compromise between both different camps of fanboys.

But how is that any different from just scrapping the third and fourth films? It's not like they're ever going to do more sequels to the original movies, because that would just be confusing as hell for the general public.

I don't see how having two alternate timelines would devalue the franchise and confuse people. Sure it would be confusing to the general public and newer fans but that's the duty of older fans to educate them to.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 10:32:32 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:14:30 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 26, 2015, 10:12:43 PMHmmm, I could live with 2 different timelines.  It's a good compromise between both different camps of fanboys.

But how is that any different from just scrapping the third and fourth films? It's not like they're ever going to do more sequels to the original movies, because that would just be confusing as hell for the general public.

So it's just retcon with a different label.

These are all good points.  Option 4 is a good idea but it would potentially confuse the crap out of the casual observer, unless we get the marketing machine going.

Recap:

Option 4:
Alternate timeline/canon.  Takes place after AL()ENS in place of Alien 3/A:R.  A3/A:R arent retconned "out of existance", they are just ignored for the sake of this new story's different take on the direction of the franchise.  imo, this is the best option that has the greatest potential and will anger the least amount of fans.

I suggested in another post that we could have an Alien timeline and AVP timeline.  It makes sense because Charles Bishop Weyland from AVP was clearly derived from Bishop II in Alien 3.  In terms of marketing what you could do is tie up the AVP story post Alien Resurrection much like is intended in the upcoming AVP Rage War series.  So ultimately you will get the following boxed sets:

AVP Boxed set:

-Predator
-Predator 2
-Predators
(-Predator 4)
-AVP
-AVP R
-Alien
-Aliens
-Alien 3
-Alien Resurrection
-AVP Rage War 1
-AVP Rage War 2

Alien Boxed set:

Prometheus
Prometheus 2
Alien
Aliens
Alien 5
Alien vs. Prometheus
Paradise

You could literally relabel the movies like they did with Star Wars.  Remember Star Wars became Episode IV: A New Hope?  That could work.  Nobody would be confused if the sets were sold with consistent graphics.  It would certainly be unique and very creative.  Hmm...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:32:38 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 09:53:47 PMAs for the X-Men films, THERE ARE explanation for those plotholes, you only have to make a little of research.

:laugh: Why the hell should I have to? The film should bother to explain it. Not doing that is insulting to the audience, like they're expecting us not to ask questions.
That's the point, you don't need to, you only have to enjoy the movie. That lack of explanation doesn't hurt the experience a single bit.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:10:22 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:06 PMA good director/writer knows when there's a need for explain something and when is not.

There's literally no excuse for not bothering to explain why a main character who died is suddenly resurrected.

This is off topic but I just want to point out that Xavier's resurrection is explained in X3 for those who were paying attention. 


Now back to the main topic:  "I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 & Resurrection" - Blomkamp

All I can say is, Thank God.


Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 26, 2015, 10:56:44 PM
All they are saying is that they don't want to disrespect 3/4 -- it is still going to start anew.
Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:58:58 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:10:22 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:06 PMA good director/writer knows when there's a need for explain something and when is not.

There's literally no excuse for not bothering to explain why a main character who died is suddenly resurrected.

This is off topic but I just want to point out that Xavier's resurrection is explained in X3 for those who were paying attention. 


Now back to the main topic:  "I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 & Resurrection" - Blomkamp

All I can say is, Thank God.

I thought HuDaFuK was referring to how Xavier magically got his body back. ???
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 11:06:01 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:58:58 PM
I thought HuDaFuK was referring to how Xavier magically got his body back. ???

Its shown in X3.  The guy that he puts his mind into is his brain dead twin. The end credits show his waking up.

Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 10:56:44 PM
All they are saying is that they don't want to disrespect 3/4 -- it is still going to start anew.

But starting anew would be undoing Alien 3 & 4...Which Blomkamp says he isnt doing.  What am I missing here?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 26, 2015, 11:07:00 PM
He told The Guardian that it's what is going to happen. The problem with everyone is that they're taking things a bit literally.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 26, 2015, 11:15:26 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 11:07:00 PM
He told The Guardian that it's what is going to happen. The problem with everyone is that they're taking things a bit literally.

Yeah, Blomkamp isn't going to pull a Equilibrium on Alien 3 and Resurrection.

"Burn it."

Title: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 11:15:33 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 11:06:01 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 10:58:58 PM
I thought HuDaFuK was referring to how Xavier magically got his body back. ???

Its shown in X3.  The guy that he puts his mind into is his brain dead twin. The end credits show his waking up.

I saw that part, but his twin?!  Whaaa?!?!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: szkoki on Feb 26, 2015, 11:17:39 PM
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and cancel this movie, if you dont want to continue with Ripley 8
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 26, 2015, 11:22:20 PM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 26, 2015, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2015, 10:10:22 PM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 26, 2015, 10:09:06 PMA good director/writer knows when there's a need for explain something and when is not.

There's literally no excuse for not bothering to explain why a main character who died is suddenly resurrected.

This is off topic but I just want to point out that Xavier's resurrection is explained in X3 for those who were paying attention. 


Now back to the main topic:  "I'm not trying to undo Alien 3 & Resurrection" - Blomkamp

All I can say is, Thank God.
Yeah the Xavier thing was explained in the movie. His body back is a bit more obscure but a quick search explains it. But how he came back to life is explained.

I'm down with the alternate timeline but wouldn't mind too much if A3 and AR got retconned.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 11:31:04 PM
Still hoping this is an alternate timeline thing. Really am pulling for that!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 12:22:57 AM
Me da sueño ._.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 27, 2015, 12:28:57 AM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 10:56:44 PM
All they are saying is that they don't want to disrespect 3/4 -- it is still going to start anew.

Did you ask Neill about his new pair of shoes while you had that conversation about the movies? just curious.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 12:31:42 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 11:31:04 PM
Still hoping this is an alternate timeline thing. Really am pulling for that!

He says he's not trying to undo alien 3 & 4, but that he just wants his film connected to the first two...Then Weaver says they are still working on the story and that its just beginning to be fleshed out. I am still cautiously optimistic that this wont be a pointless continuity destroying retcon but they dont even have the story fully formed so who knows what this film may end up being.   :-\
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:32:03 AM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Feb 27, 2015, 12:28:57 AM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Feb 26, 2015, 10:56:44 PM
All they are saying is that they don't want to disrespect 3/4 -- it is still going to start anew.

Did you ask Neill about his new pair of shoes while you had that conversation about the movies? just curious.

I got the same vibe from what he said.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 27, 2015, 12:34:05 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 12:31:42 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 11:31:04 PM
Still hoping this is an alternate timeline thing. Really am pulling for that!

He says he's not trying to undo alien 3 & 4, but that he just wants his film connected to the first two...Then Weaver says they are still working on the story and that its just beginning to be fleshed out. I am still cautiously optimistic that this wont be a pointless continuity destroying retcon but they dont even have the story fully formed so who knows what this film may end up being.   :-\

Exactly. It's way too early for people to be getting so upset. I really dislike how movies and such are becoming two-year-long cycles of announcements of announcements and hundreds of pages of speculation based on a few vague pieces of info.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:36:10 AM
It's all part of the fun, until people start clinging to early rumors (the kind that aren't coming straight from the director's/star's mouths) and falsely claiming them to be facts.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 12:50:16 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 12:31:42 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 26, 2015, 11:31:04 PM
Still hoping this is an alternate timeline thing. Really am pulling for that!

He says he's not trying to undo alien 3 & 4, but that he just wants his film connected to the first two...Then Weaver says they are still working on the story and that its just beginning to be fleshed out. I am still cautiously optimistic that this wont be a pointless continuity destroying retcon but they dont even have the story fully formed so who knows what this film may end up being.   :-\

Weaver also says, "I didn't like the way it was going and I felt we were...  I think it is hard to manufacture a good story just because they want to make another one."  It more or less sounds like they want to retcon the series, but just didn't want to say it outloud.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 12:51:58 AM
WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?????  I'M GOING INSANE!!  LOL  WE NEED TO KNOW!    ;)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:46 AM
Easy.

Prometheus > Alien > Aliens > Alien 3 > Alien: Resurrection
Prometheus > Alien > Aliens > Alien 5 (or whatever it's going to be called)

Those are the two timelines, and within them feel free to pick and choose what you like/want to accept. Personal preference.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 01:03:29 AM
...the next step is an ALIEN remake followed by a PROM reboot that ties into two separate retcons and a cancelled tv show. Can't wait...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 01:07:22 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:46 AM
Prometheus > Alien > Aliens > Alien 3 > Alien: Resurrection
Prometheus > Alien > Aliens > Alien 5 (or whatever it's going to be called)

AVP > AVP-R > Alien > Aliens > Alien 3 > Alien Resurrection.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:46 AM
Those are the two timelines, and within them feel free to pick and choose what you like/want to accept. Personal preference.

Three timelines.. If we can pick and choose now, we can also have the AvPs. Three choices. Three paths. You don't have to agree with me but considering now we're gonna have multiple timelines, might as well go buck wild.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 01:07:46 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 01:03:29 AM
...the next step is an ALIEN remake followed by a PROM reboot that ties into two separate retcons and a cancelled tv show. Can't wait...
You forgot to mention the two direct-to-SyFy channel reunion movies that are supposed to provide a closure in form of a trilogy but the third one never happens.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 01:11:22 AM
Quote from: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 01:07:46 AM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 01:03:29 AM
...the next step is an ALIEN remake followed by a PROM reboot that ties into two separate retcons and a cancelled tv show. Can't wait...
You forgot to mention the two direct-to-SyFy channel reunion movies that are supposed to provide a closure in form of a trilogy but the third one never happens.

Sorry about that. I was being too kind
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 01:15:17 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 12:31:42 AM
He says he's not trying to undo alien 3 & 4, but that he just wants his film connected to the first two...Then Weaver says they are still working on the story and that its just beginning to be fleshed out. I am still cautiously optimistic that this wont be a pointless continuity destroying retcon but they dont even have the story fully formed so who knows what this film may end up being.   :-\

They don't have to address Alien 3 or even so much as erase it in anyway for it to be rendered as an alternate timeline. A lot of movies do this, and they leave the previous continuity intact without declaring it as non-canon. Again, I point to the Godzilla movies. Godzilla 1985 was a direct sequel to the original 1954 movie, ignoring the previous Showa era continuity. It didn't need time travel, it didn't need a cosmic event, it just ignored the previous movies and established a new continuity but the old movies were still canon to the original 1954. This is what I see happening here with Alien 3 and Resurrection.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Ultramorph on Feb 27, 2015, 01:18:39 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:36:10 AM
It's all part of the fun, until people start clinging to early rumors (the kind that aren't coming straight from the director's/star's mouths) and falsely claiming them to be facts.

That's fair. It doesn't help that the directors, writers, actors, etc. feed into it. I guess they have to-hype is important for putting butts in seats-but I just wonder how far it will eventually go.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:25:05 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 01:07:22 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:46 AM
Prometheus > Alien > Aliens > Alien 3 > Alien: Resurrection
Prometheus > Alien > Aliens > Alien 5 (or whatever it's going to be called)

AVP > AVP-R > Alien > Aliens > Alien 3 > Alien Resurrection.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:46 AM
Those are the two timelines, and within them feel free to pick and choose what you like/want to accept. Personal preference.

Three timelines.. If we can pick and choose now, we can also have the AvPs. Three choices. Three paths. You don't have to agree with me but considering now we're gonna have multiple timelines, might as well go buck wild.

Sure. Watch whatever you enjoy, don't let anyone stop you.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 01:26:24 AM
If we're going to do retcons, why don't we get really crazy.  Ignore Aliens and Alien 3 and do a sequel linking Alien to Resurrection, or even:

AVP > Alien 3
Aliens > Resurrection
AVPR > Prometheus > Aliens
Prometheus > Alien 3 > Resurrection
Predators > Alien > Resurrection
Prometheus 2 > Predator 2 > AVPR > Alien 3 > Resurrection
Predator > Prometheus > > Alien > Alien Resurrection

The possibilities for filling in the gaps are limitless.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 01:27:48 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 27, 2015, 01:25:05 AM
Sure. Watch whatever you enjoy, don't let anyone stop you.

Fox needs to make it official that there is more than one timeline! Minds.. Blown! Everyone f**king wins!

Canon at this point is pretty much pick and choose! Pick whatever toppings you want on your pizza, folks!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 01:34:23 AM
I dunno about that, there will always be those fans who will refuse to listen to Fox and just make up their own timelines. :-\
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 01:37:55 AM
Try and stop us! Muhahaha!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 01:40:28 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 01:34:23 AM
I dunno about that, there will always be those fans who will refuse to listen to Fox and just make up their own timelines. :-\

That is fine! Lots of other fandoms do that! Just make it official that there's more than one!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:42:14 AM
The fact that we're just getting another actual ALIEN movie with actual Xenomorphs in it makes me happy.  Since Crap-mehteus obviously had/has no intention of doing it...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 01:53:50 AM
You know if you combined the original Giger/Scott vision what the alien was from the first film and combined it with the genetic manipulation of the fourth, you could get some pretty freaky storylines.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: elemental-of-all on Feb 27, 2015, 02:25:31 AM
4 months ago: Alien ressurection is shit, nobody likes it. They should just retcon it.

Today: Alien ressurection should stay with the timeline. They should continue with Ripley 8s story. Anything else is an insult.

Lol love it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:28:19 AM
Quote from: elemental-of-all on Feb 27, 2015, 02:25:31 AM
4 months ago: Alien ressurection is shit, nobody likes it. They should just retcon it.

Today: Alien ressurection should stay with the timeline. They should continue with Ripley 8s story. Anything else is an insult.

Lol love it.

No one is hailing A:R. People are just saying that it is a lame cop-out to retcon it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:29:25 AM
Quote from: elemental-of-all on Feb 27, 2015, 02:25:31 AM
4 months ago: Alien ressurection is shit, nobody likes it. They should just retcon it.

Today: Alien ressurection should stay with the timeline. They should continue with Ripley 8s story. Anything else is an insult.

Lol love it.

Im actually surprised to see the A:R support myself as well.  I think everyone dislikes A:R, its just the idea of introducing a "retcon" to a franchise that has so far refrained from intruducing something that some feel has tainted a lot of modern movie franchises.  And I wouldve agreed to some extent at one point, however if there was ever a time to see "what else couldve happened", it would be now. 

I feel that A3 and to a greater extent A:R have hurt the franchise more than any "retcon" could, and at this point a retcon(or at least "resetting") of the story could reinvigorate it.  Again, it doesnt have to be a movie similar to ALIENS, just use ALIENS as a jumping off point bc I feel there is more potential to a story there than at the end of A:R.  I just really HATE Ripley 8, sorry.  Plus, continuing from A:R would have to acknowledge all the events in A:R, which are just so stupid and goofy/corny.  The only good thing A:R did right, was set itself 200 years after the trilogy so at least its so far removed from the first 3 that its easy to ignore/dismiss.  Continuing from A:R would just dilute and hurt the Alien continuity storyline even worse. 
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:35:01 AM
Quote from: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:29:25 AM
Quote from: elemental-of-all on Feb 27, 2015, 02:25:31 AM
4 months ago: Alien ressurection is shit, nobody likes it. They should just retcon it.

Today: Alien ressurection should stay with the timeline. They should continue with Ripley 8s story. Anything else is an insult.

Lol love it.

Im actually surprised to see the A:R support myself as well.  I think everyone dislikes A:R, its just the idea of introducing a "retcon" to a franchise that has so far refrained from intruducing something that some feel has tainted a lot of modern movie franchises.  And I wouldve agreed to some extent at one point, however if there was ever a time to see "what else couldve happened", it would be now.

Never been a big fan of A:R, but the idea to retcon it has never been an option to me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 02:36:17 AM
A:R was the first alien film i saw. I love it.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:38:02 AM
Well, if people are going to complain about retconning titles then they should have done it earlier when Prometheus supposedly retconned the AVP films.  Obviously, I get that nobody wanted those films to be canon but they still should have stuck up for the principle of not retconning films (like I did); now, if this new film really is a retcon then it's too late.  It was inevitable that should fans think it's okay to retcon movies, then movie producers would take the next step and retcon even BIGGER things than AVP.  It seems things are going as I predicted, but one thing I did not predict was how thrilled I'd be that Alien 3 (and Newt's death) would be the one getting the axe.  Yay. ;D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:38:39 AM
Quote from: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 02:36:17 AM
A:R was the first alien film i saw. I love it.

No offense, but thats probably bc it was the first you saw.  On its own, A:R is a decent 90s action movie with an above average monster.  But compared to the first 3........no
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Magegg on Feb 27, 2015, 02:39:59 AM
I freaking love A:R, I think it's an awesome movie.

But it doesn't fit much with the others :P Wouldn't be mad at all if it's left out of continuity.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 02:40:25 AM
As I said above,

I feel that A3 and to a greater extent A:R have hurt the franchise more than any "retcon" could, and at this point a retcon(or at least "resetting") of the story could reinvigorate it.  Again, it doesnt have to be a movie similar to ALIENS, just use ALIENS as a jumping off point bc I feel there is more potential to a story there than at the end of A:R.  I just really HATE Ripley 8, sorry.  Plus, continuing from A:R would have to acknowledge all the events in A:R, which are just so stupid and goofy/corny.  The only good thing A:R did right, was set itself 200 years after the trilogy so at least its so far removed from the first 3 that its easy to ignore/dismiss.  Continuing from A:R would just dilute and hurt the Alien continuity storyline even worse. 
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:43:31 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:38:02 AM
Well, if people are going to complain about retconning titles then they should have done it earlier when Prometheus supposedly retconned the AVP films.  Obviously, I get that nobody wanted those films to be canon but they still should have stuck up for the principle of not retconning films like I did; now, if this new film really is a retcon then it's too late.  It was inevitable should fans think it's okay to retcon movies then movie producers would take the next step and retcon even BIGGER things than AVP.

Still trying to push your "everything is canon" crap on the rest of us, huh?

Just accept that people see Alien(s), Predator, AVP and even Prometheus as separate things / crossovers. Retconning two actual Alien movies is not the same as cementing the fact that there is only room for Alien movies within the Alien movie universe.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:47:55 AM
Nah, SpreadEagleBeagle, I'm just pointing out that you shouldn't demand so much for one series if you are just as unwilling to grant what you want to another.  Fair's fair, right?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: SpreadEagleBeagle on Feb 27, 2015, 02:51:42 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:47:55 AM
Nah, SpreadEagleBeagle, I'm just pointing out that you shouldn't demand so much for one series if you are just as unwilling to grant what you want to another.  Fair's fair, right?

Sorry but you don't make any sense.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 02:53:35 AM
I think Predxeno is making this point.

If someone wants AVP canon with the alien series, or all the films as one/alternate timelines, then so be it.


Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:55:08 AM
Long story short, why should the movie producers take special care about what Alien movie fans think should be canon if those same fans don't want them to care about what AVP movie fans think should be canon?  The concept of continuity for the Alien and AVP films are the same, if the movie producers think they can toss one out the window then it won't be long before they do the same to the other; by advocating the removal of one set of films, a door is opened for movie producers to do the same to more movies.  I know you view the Alien and AVP films as being in different worlds but no one in the movie business does that, they see it as one and the same, and if it already happened once...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:18 AM
Honestly, I think all movies should be canon in order to preserve the integrity of the series.

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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:41 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:55:08 AM
Long story short, why should the movie producers take special care about what Alien movie fans think should be canon if those same fans don't want them to care about what AVP movie fans think should be canon?  The concept of continuity for the Alien and AVP films are the same, if the movie producers think they can toss one out the window then it won't be long before they do the same to the other.

Are you still saying that this is all one unified universe despite this film possibly, and I mean possibly being set in an alternate or separate timeline where the Prometheus movies also happened in?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 02:59:06 AM
2 cents:

I think a lot of fans who like or love A3 have worked so hard at presenting evidence as to why they think its a pretty darn good movie and see this a blow to the direction of the series.

I'm in that boat.

Because I think having Ripley is just a boring move when theres a whole universe to explore in Alien especially now Ripley's story has ended, whether you like the end or not.

I'm excited at the prospect of this new film, and I hope its amazing, but I'm dubious of the idea of having a marathon of the movies and suddenly getting to a "choose an ending, fork in the road". And yes that would still happen if all the films are meant to be canon.

However, it is only a movie in the end. So nothing to lose sleep over.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 03:00:19 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:41 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:55:08 AM
Long story short, why should the movie producers take special care about what Alien movie fans think should be canon if those same fans don't want them to care about what AVP movie fans think should be canon?  The concept of continuity for the Alien and AVP films are the same, if the movie producers think they can toss one out the window then it won't be long before they do the same to the other.

Are you still saying that this is all one unified universe despite this film possibly, and I mean possibly being set in an alternate or separate timeline where the Prometheus movies also happened in?

No, I'm just saying that movie producers have acknowledged that fans don't want the AVP films as canon and now they have decided to take the idea one step further and decided to why not remove Alien 3 and A:R from canon.  To them continuity between these franchises is the same, there is no difference between Alien and AVP; to them, if they can retcon the AVP films then it means they can likewise retcon the Alien films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: marrerom on Feb 27, 2015, 03:02:09 AM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:18 AM
Honestly, I think all movies should be canon in order to preserve the integrity of the series.

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I feel the same way. The movies are canon. All of them, even the godawful AvP films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 03:03:43 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 02:59:06 AM
I'm excited at the prospect of this new film but are dubious of the idea of having a marathon of the movies and suddenly getting to a "choose an ending fork in the road". And yes that would still happen if all the films are meant to be canon.

Wiser words were never spoken.

Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 03:00:19 AM
No, I'm just saying that movie producers have acknowledged that fans don't want the AVP films as canon and now they have decided to take the idea one step further and decided to why not remove Alien 3 and A:R from canon.  To them continuity between these franchises is the same, there is no difference between Alien and AVP; to them, if they can retcon the AVP films then it means they can likewise retcon the Alien films.

The only way for Alien 3 and Resurrection to be retconned, and I mean truly retconned is if they were addressed in the movie and were made to be a hyperspace nightmare. That is a route I do not want to see the franchise go in. To me, retconning means addressing an error, re-writing it to better fit the existing material. Ignoring and disregarding is not the same thing as retconning.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:04:19 AM
Alien fans have always had different opinions on what they consider their own "personal canon".  Its always been this way since a sequel to ALIEN came out in 1986.  Its no different now.  I personally dont consider the ALIEN franchise and AVP franchise in the same universe.  AVP is a separate universe to me, and as a fan that makes the ALIEN films more pure and enjoyable for me imo bc in 1979, noone working on ALIEN considered other species like the Predator to exist.

But thats just me.  Others will have different views, and that perfectly OK.  Thats how ALIEN/Predator/AVP canon kinda works for hardcore fans like us. 
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 03:05:22 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 03:03:43 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 03:00:19 AM
No, I'm just saying that movie producers have acknowledged that fans don't want the AVP films as canon and now they have decided to take the idea one step further and decided to why not remove Alien 3 and A:R from canon.  To them continuity between these franchises is the same, there is no difference between Alien and AVP; to them, if they can retcon the AVP films then it means they can likewise retcon the Alien films.

The only way for Alien 3 and Resurrection to be retconned, and I mean truly retconned is if they were addressed in the movie and were made to be a hyperspace nightmare. That is a route I do not want to see the franchise go in. To me, retconning means addressing an error, re-writing it to better fit the existing material. Ignoring and disregarding is not the same thing as retconning.

Ah ok, I guess we had a difference of definition over the word "retcon".
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:06:11 AM
Damm this movie haven't even started being filmed and I already don't consider it canon.  :D :D
Better luck with Prometheus 2 I hope.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: OpenMaw on Feb 27, 2015, 03:09:16 AM
... and uh, when it comes out and it's one of the best films the series has seen in years, will your opinion change then? Because I can see being upset or confused about a potential retcon, but judging the film itself based on that is silly.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:09:20 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:06:11 AM
Damm this movie haven't even started being filmed and I already don't consider it canon.  :D :D
Better luck with Prometheus 2 I hope.

And I dont consider the Prometheus saga canon.  Everyone has different opinions. 
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Local Trouble on Feb 27, 2015, 03:19:26 AM
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 27, 2015, 02:57:18 AM
Honestly, I think all movies should be canon in order to preserve the integrity of the series.

The series hasn't had much integrity since Alien 3's production.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Samhain13 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:20:36 AM
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 27, 2015, 03:09:16 AM
... and uh, when it comes out and it's one of the best films the series has seen in years, will your opinion change then? Because I can see being upset or confused about a potential retcon, but judging the film itself based on that is silly.

I never said it wasnt going to be good, personaly I think it will be on pair with the last movies which despite my disappointment I still enjoyed to some degree. But I wont consider this one to be part of the franchise just like I dont consider many comics.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 27, 2015, 03:26:58 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:14 PM
Of course, we want the story finished but it is disgraceful how much Prometheus tried to advertise itself as an Alien movie when it wanted to be something completely different.

Jesus. The reason Scott had to do all the back peddling and start saying it was a 'sort of' prequel was exactly because of the expectations of fan boys wanting aliens all over the place. Not all prequels have to take the 'Darth Vader built C3PO route.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:56 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:38:02 AM
Well, if people are going to complain about retconning titles then they should have done it earlier when Prometheus supposedly retconned the AVP films.  Obviously, I get that nobody wanted those films to be canon but they still should have stuck up for the principle of not retconning films (like I did); now, if this new film really is a retcon then it's too late.  It was inevitable that should fans think it's okay to retcon movies, then movie producers would take the next step and retcon even BIGGER things than AVP.  It seems things are going as I predicted, but one thing I did not predict was how thrilled I'd be that Alien 3 (and Newt's death) would be the one getting the axe.  Yay. ;D
Freaking THIS. Lot's of hypocrisy. You give them 5 inches, then they take 5 feet. The community pretty much gave their blessing after the AvP's. Now we deal with the consequences. We allowed it to happen.

But for most of us these are pretty cool consequences. Later on it might bite us in the ass but for now we are happy to get a pure alien film again.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 03:35:04 AM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:56 AM
but for now we are happy to get a pure alien film again.

So you were un-happy since 2012?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:38:29 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 03:35:04 AM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:56 AM
but for now we are happy to get a pure alien film again.

So you were un-happy since 2012?
I think we both know that wasn't a pure Alien film. But the answer would be no because I loved Prometheus. I'm happy to have a sequel happening there too. And Predator. What a time to be alive!
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:40:12 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 03:35:04 AM
Quote from: xeno-kaname on Feb 27, 2015, 03:29:56 AM
but for now we are happy to get a pure alien film again.

So you were un-happy since 2012?

un-happy since 1997.  At least in terms of "alien-only" movies.  In actuality, ive been "unhappy" since 1992, but I digress.

Im VERY happy to be finally getting a PURE Alien-only movie since 1997.  AVP movies didn't count bc it had predators in it, and Prometheus never wanted to be an Alien movie so I dont count it.  Especially after the LAUGHABLE explanation for the Space Jockey...bald blue guy in a suit.  So stupid. Just my opinion, though.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Gash on Feb 27, 2015, 03:48:58 AM
Marble white actually, that was sort of the point.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Adam802 on Feb 27, 2015, 03:54:03 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 27, 2015, 03:48:58 AM
Marble white actually, that was sort of the point.

ah of course, marble white.  my mistake silly me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 03:56:10 AM
Blame Giger circa 1977.

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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 04:48:04 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 27, 2015, 03:26:58 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:14 PM
Of course, we want the story finished but it is disgraceful how much Prometheus tried to advertise itself as an Alien movie when it wanted to be something completely different.

Jesus. The reason Scott had to do all the back peddling and start saying it was a 'sort of' prequel was exactly because of the expectations of fan boys wanting aliens all over the place. Not all prequels have to take the 'Darth Vader built C3PO route.

Prometheus 2 is said to venture even further away from Engineers and Aliens, if this is true then why even bother to introduce them in the first film (if not for a cheap marketing gimmick) if they're not even going to make an appearance in any of the sequels?  Hell, I could make a Star Wars film featuring Barbie, her magical unicorn, and only a picture of Luke Skywalker in it, but that doesn't make it a film worthy of being in the same universe.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: RakaiThwei on Feb 27, 2015, 07:15:31 AM
Machinima offers their insight on the Alien 5 movie... Which.. these two Dudebros seem to not really be in the loop of things if they were caught up as we are regarding Blomkamps statements.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX-gGI_DQlQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX-gGI_DQlQ#ws)
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Russ on Feb 27, 2015, 08:25:23 AM
I've not read all the posts since I last logged on, so forgive me if this old news.

Sigourney Weaver is on Kermode and Mayo's film show on Radio 5 Live today (1400 hrs GMT). They played a clip of the interview where Mayo references the reaction to her talking about the movie on a US chat show (the one where everyone cheered). He asked her if it was a "done deal" and she said "no, it's still a dream at this stage."

Not sure when the interview was done and the whole thing isn't out yet (to be fair, I'm getting my daughter ready for school, so not checked) - but that throws a spanner in any "officially on the project" stuff if its recent.

I'll try and listen in and report back.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2015, 08:36:23 AM
Thanks. I'll try and flip onto it too.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 08:45:00 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 02:38:02 AMWell, if people are going to complain about retconning titles then they should have done it earlier when Prometheus supposedly retconned the AVP films.

The retcon in Prometheus was a lot less obvious and definitive though - most casual viewers probably didn't even notice Weyland Industries was now Weyland Corp.

What people are suggesting the new film will do is much more categorically overwrite the older films.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 09:43:34 AM
It's simple, because of Blomkamp's new film we simply get separate timelines.

Alien, Aliens, Alien3, A:R.

Or

Prometheus, Prometheus Sequel(s) Alien, Aliens, Neill Blompkamp's Alien Sequel(s)
(I personally separate Prometheus from the originals due to Alien V's apparent link to Prometheus 2.)

Or

Predator, Predator 2, AVP, AVP:R, Alien, Aliens.

Or
Predator, Predator 2, Predator 3 (Shane Black), Predators, Prometheus (& Sequels) Alien, Aliens, Neill Blompkamp's Alien (& Sequels)

That's how I personally divide them up.

I can't wait for Neill Blompkamp's Alien and I'm so glad the "Everything is canon." Argument is 100% dead.

Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Omegamorph on Feb 27, 2015, 10:25:10 AM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 09:43:34 AM
"Everything is canon."
That'd make a great song.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
I guess the uproar from Alien 3 and Alien:R fans worked.  I just saw Niel's statement.  But it still makes no sense.  How can you pick up from "Aliens" and have Ripley and Hicks alive without changing what happen in 3 and Resurrection?  I'm confused by his statement.  Unless it takes place After "Alien: R" and Ripley 8 is still a Clone and Hicks is a Clone or Andriod they used his DNA to recreate him.


Also for the people that say "Just do a new story without Ripley".  Sorry, that's like the new "Star Wars' Episode VII movie not having Han, Luke or Leia or the new Terminator movie not having Arnold (When they didn't have Arnold it flopped).   When people think Alien they think Ripley, I'm talking about general audences.  I know the world is large and it's bigger than Ripley but she's the central character.  As great as "Alien 3" was to me a child, killing off Ripley wasn't a great move for the franchise cause she's just a great character that should live on.  She had such a tragic ending in Alien 3.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 11:26:12 AM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AMHow can you pick up from "Aliens" and have Ripley and Hicks alive without changing what happen in 3 and Resurrection?

Who says they're even in it? Weaver has made it clear she's far from signed on, and I still find it hard to believe they'd put out concept art of stuff they're seriously working on.

The fact is, nothing has been confirmed yet.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 11:51:35 AM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
I guess the uproar from Alien 3 and Alien:R fans worked.  I just saw Niel's statement.  But it still makes no sense.  How can you pick up from "Aliens" and have Ripley and Hicks alive without changing what happen in 3 and Resurrection?  I'm confused by his statement.  Unless it takes place After "Alien: R" and Ripley 8 is still a Clone and Hicks is a Clone or Andriod they used his DNA to recreate him.

By simply ignoring A3 & A:R and not turning it into a dream or otherwise interfering with it.

Those movies will remain as they are for those who prefer them over the new Aliens sequel.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 12:03:16 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2015, 11:51:35 AM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
I guess the uproar from Alien 3 and Alien:R fans worked.  I just saw Niel's statement.  But it still makes no sense.  How can you pick up from "Aliens" and have Ripley and Hicks alive without changing what happen in 3 and Resurrection?  I'm confused by his statement.  Unless it takes place After "Alien: R" and Ripley 8 is still a Clone and Hicks is a Clone or Andriod they used his DNA to recreate him.

By simply ignoring A3 & A:R and not turning it into a dream or otherwise interfering with it.

Those movies will remain as they are for those who prefer them over the new Aliens sequel.

Yeah you're probably right.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:09:20 PM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
Also for the people that say "Just do a new story without Ripley".  Sorry, that's like the new "Star Wars' Episode VII movie not having Han, Luke or Leia or the new Terminator movie not having Arnold (When they didn't have Arnold it flopped).   When people think Alien they think Ripley, I'm talking about general audences.  I know the world is large and it's bigger than Ripley but she's the central character.  As great as "Alien 3" was to me a child, killing off Ripley wasn't a great move for the franchise cause she's just a great character that should live on.  She had such a tragic ending in Alien 3.

By that logic when we reach 2050 and Alien X: Neomorph is released, it should have Ripley in it?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 12:11:44 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:09:20 PMBy that logic when we reach 2050 and Alien X: Neomorph is released, it should have Ripley in it?

Alien V: Ripley
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 12:24:49 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:09:20 PM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
Also for the people that say "Just do a new story without Ripley".  Sorry, that's like the new "Star Wars' Episode VII movie not having Han, Luke or Leia or the new Terminator movie not having Arnold (When they didn't have Arnold it flopped).   When people think Alien they think Ripley, I'm talking about general audences.  I know the world is large and it's bigger than Ripley but she's the central character.  As great as "Alien 3" was to me a child, killing off Ripley wasn't a great move for the franchise cause she's just a great character that should live on.  She had such a tragic ending in Alien 3.

By that logic when we reach 2050 and Alien X: Neomorph is released, it should have Ripley in it?

Of course when Sigourney passes away they will move on but while she's here the core franchise Ripley is the central character.  Prometheus and
AVP were both non-Ripley.  But if they really wanted to do non-ripley stories they could of started with "Alien Resurrection" as ripley was dead from Alien 3 but they didn't, they made her a clone cause they knew when it comes to general audiences they identify the Alien films with Ripley's character.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 12:30:33 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 11:26:12 AM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AMHow can you pick up from "Aliens" and have Ripley and Hicks alive without changing what happen in 3 and Resurrection?

Who says they're even in it? Weaver has made it clear she's far from signed on, and I still find it hard to believe they'd put out concept art of stuff they're seriously working on.

The fact is, nothing has been confirmed yet.

Don't be surprised if a Queen shows up.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:31:06 PM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 12:24:49 PM
Of course when Sigourney passes away they will move on but while she's here the core franchise Ripley is the central character.

So all it will take for that is to be a was is the death of Weaver? Rather than the in-universe death of Ripley?

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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 12:37:41 PM
There are always around the death of a character in a franchise, especially when it comes to an established actor/actress who always plays said part.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:39:44 PM
Wait...what? :D
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Uncle Hernando on Feb 27, 2015, 12:41:40 PM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 12:24:49 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:09:20 PM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
Also for the people that say "Just do a new story without Ripley".  Sorry, that's like the new "Star Wars' Episode VII movie not having Han, Luke or Leia or the new Terminator movie not having Arnold (When they didn't have Arnold it flopped).   When people think Alien they think Ripley, I'm talking about general audences.  I know the world is large and it's bigger than Ripley but she's the central character.  As great as "Alien 3" was to me a child, killing off Ripley wasn't a great move for the franchise cause she's just a great character that should live on.  She had such a tragic ending in Alien 3.

By that logic when we reach 2050 and Alien X: Neomorph is released, it should have Ripley in it?

Of course when Sigourney passes away they will move on but while she's here the core franchise Ripley is the central character.  Prometheus and
AVP were both non-Ripley.  But if they really wanted to do non-ripley stories they could of started with "Alien Resurrection" as ripley was dead from Alien 3 but they didn't, they made her a clone cause they knew when it comes to general audiences they identify the Alien films with Ripley's character.


So it will just be a never ending game of cat and mouse where Ripley has no development because by any and all means she WILL be alive in the next installment and all the peril and destruction the alien represents is just... gone? Sounds pretty boring to me.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 12:48:35 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:39:44 PM
Wait...what? :D

As long as Weaver is alive, they will find a way to bring Ripley back she is Weaver. When Weaver dies, then Ripley will stay dead because that character is her trademark.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:51:54 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 12:48:35 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:39:44 PM
Wait...what? :D

As long as Weaver is alive, they will find a way to bring Ripley back she is Weaver. When Weaver dies, then Ripley will stay dead because that character is her trademark.

You know, I think we should have Hudson come back because Paxton was awesome as that character. :-*
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Uncle Hernando on Feb 27, 2015, 12:52:38 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 12:48:35 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:39:44 PM
Wait...what? :D

As long as Weaver is alive, they will find a way to bring Ripley back she is Weaver. When Weaver dies, then Ripley will stay dead because that character is her trademark.

It does seem like a rather odd cash cow, one that has gone sour over time for Weaver. Ripley can die without Weaver dying, they shouldn't be mutually exclusive, it's just sad that nobody is up to the task of writing another character in to fill her shoes.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:00 PM
Enter...

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Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 01:08:59 PM
Quote from: Uncle Hernando on Feb 27, 2015, 12:52:38 PMRipley can die without Weaver dying, they shouldn't be mutually exclusive, it's just sad that nobody is up to the task of writing another character in to fill her shoes.

Yeah, this. It's a lot easier the just stick Ripley on the poster than develop someone new.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 12:11:44 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:09:20 PMBy that logic when we reach 2050 and Alien X: Neomorph is released, it should have Ripley in it?

Alien V: Ripley

That's not bad... For a human...   ;)


Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:09:20 PM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
Also for the people that say "Just do a new story without Ripley".  Sorry, that's like the new "Star Wars' Episode VII movie not having Han, Luke or Leia or the new Terminator movie not having Arnold (When they didn't have Arnold it flopped).   When people think Alien they think Ripley, I'm talking about general audences.  I know the world is large and it's bigger than Ripley but she's the central character.  As great as "Alien 3" was to me a child, killing off Ripley wasn't a great move for the franchise cause she's just a great character that should live on.  She had such a tragic ending in Alien 3.

By that logic when we reach 2050 and Alien X: Neomorph is released, it should have Ripley in it?

Well that applies to every major ongoing film series.  At some point you will have to start fresh or pass the torch.  I think fans will want to see a proper passing of the torch down the line or the right happily ever after moment...
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 01:33:52 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 01:19:29 PM
At some point you will have to start fresh or pass the torch.

JP4 is doing just that and its looking to be a fresh new start. For the Alien series that point should be now.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 01:19:29 PM
I think fans will want to see a proper passing of the torch down the line or the right happily ever after moment...

Why does it need to "pass the torch"? Is it that obscure to just have a new torch?
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:51:54 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 12:48:35 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:39:44 PM
Wait...what? :D

As long as Weaver is alive, they will find a way to bring Ripley back she is Weaver. When Weaver dies, then Ripley will stay dead because that character is her trademark.

You know, I think we should have Hudson come back because Paxton was awesome as that character. :-*

Your sarcasm is lost on me. That doesn't even make sense because Hudson isn't important.

Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:55:00 PM
Enter...

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fftg.operationsupplydrop.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F06%2Fprometheus-elizabeth-shaw-500x281.jpg&hash=9f688452ac40dd57f973764d57f731c13cfa8fd7)

It was either the writing or her acting, but I got no Ripley-esque vibes from her.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:36:01 PM
I agree with you guys overall though.  It shouldn't be about Ripley forever.  But you have to think about the business side of the franchise too.  You say "Alien" people say Surgorney Weaver.   I would love some new Alien Stories with a new person in the lead.  But I just don't see Fox doing that.  I mean it's been what 18 years since Alien: Resurrection and they haven't done a new "Alien" only movie. 
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Uncle Hernando on Feb 27, 2015, 01:38:42 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 27, 2015, 12:11:44 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:09:20 PMBy that logic when we reach 2050 and Alien X: Neomorph is released, it should have Ripley in it?

Alien V: Ripley

That's not bad... For a human...   ;)


Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:09:20 PM
Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
Also for the people that say "Just do a new story without Ripley".  Sorry, that's like the new "Star Wars' Episode VII movie not having Han, Luke or Leia or the new Terminator movie not having Arnold (When they didn't have Arnold it flopped).   When people think Alien they think Ripley, I'm talking about general audences.  I know the world is large and it's bigger than Ripley but she's the central character.  As great as "Alien 3" was to me a child, killing off Ripley wasn't a great move for the franchise cause she's just a great character that should live on.  She had such a tragic ending in Alien 3.

By that logic when we reach 2050 and Alien X: Neomorph is released, it should have Ripley in it?

Well that applies to every major ongoing film series.  At some point you will have to start fresh or pass the torch.  I think fans will want to see a proper passing of the torch down the line or the right happily ever after moment...



Why does it have to be a happily ever after moment? Why can't it be in keeping with the dark depressing tone we have come to expect from the series? I thought the ending of Alien 3 was an amazingly refreshing piece of cinema that didn't have the overused trope of the family unit overcoming all and having a long happy life together.

Sure Ripley sacrificing herself to stop the alien threat was a trope in itself but one that was dealt with tastefully and with the blend of triumph with the bitter sting of death. Ripley is robbed of everything and in sacrificing what life she had left managed to succeed.

That was so much more satisfying and showing how emotionally mature David Fincher assumed the fans were, it's a credit to the series, characters and fans that they cidn't take the cheap option that would have been such a disservice to the Alien. This ugly cheap option that is now rearing it's ugly head once more.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:39:12 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 01:33:52 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 01:19:29 PM
At some point you will have to start fresh or pass the torch.

JP4 is doing just that and its looking to be a fresh new start. For the Alien series that point should be now.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 27, 2015, 01:19:29 PM
I think fans will want to see a proper passing of the torch down the line or the right happily ever after moment...

Why does it need to "pass the torch"? Is it that obscure to just have a new torch?

They are doing a passing of the torch with the new Star Wars movie having Luke, Han and Leia bring in the new characters.  Maybe have a new character in Alien 5 introduced that will move the franchise forward Post-Ripley. 
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 01:42:49 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 27, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
It was either the writing or her acting, but I got no Ripley-esque vibes from her.

That was my point.

Its a new character in the Alien-universe.

Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2015, 12:51:54 PM
Your sarcasm is lost on me. That doesn't even make sense because Hudson isn't important.

Importance of the characters role wasn't why I was joshing.

My point here was some were saying they want Ripley back because they like her character, and Weaver is still alive to play her. A lot of people like Hudson and Paxton is still alive. Hence josh.

Quote from: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:39:12 PM
They are doing a passing of the torch with the new Star Wars movie having Luke, Han and Leia bring in the new characters.  Maybe have a new character in Alien 5 introduced that will move the franchise forward Post-Ripley. 

Star Wars is a totally different breed of movie. But your last point is what I'm saying.
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: oduodu on Feb 27, 2015, 01:48:56 PM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 27, 2015, 04:48:04 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 27, 2015, 03:26:58 AM
Quote from: predxeno on Feb 26, 2015, 09:15:14 PM
Of course, we want the story finished but it is disgraceful how much Prometheus tried to advertise itself as an Alien movie when it wanted to be something completely different.

Jesus. The reason Scott had to do all the back peddling and start saying it was a 'sort of' prequel was exactly because of the expectations of fan boys wanting aliens all over the place. Not all prequels have to take the 'Darth Vader built C3PO route.

Prometheus 2 is said to venture even further away from Engineers and Aliens, if this is true then why even bother to introduce them in the first film (if not for a cheap marketing gimmick) if they're not even going to make an appearance in any of the sequels?  Hell, I could make a Star Wars film featuring Barbie, her magical unicorn, and only a picture of Luke Skywalker in it, but that doesn't make it a film worthy of being in the same universe.

thanks predxeno

thats what i have been saying right from the start.

well said

could never understand if they want to go and study the engineer civilisation then do it why mess around with the goo anyway ??
Title: Re: Blomkamp is officially making an Alien film
Post by: Aquarius8 on Feb 27, 2015, 01:50:14 PM