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http://www.scribd.com/doc/112142280/Alien-Engineers (http://www.scribd.com/doc/112142280/Alien-Engineers)

Seems legit. How this was found:

People on Prometheus-Movie.com were chasing up the leads from that http://blog.seespotbite.com/ (http://blog.seespotbite.com/) guy who posted about reading Spaihts script. Then yesterday, one guy got that scribd link in an email, after SeeSpotBite posted their "review" of Lindelof's first draft (that Lindelof sent himself?) Anyway, consensus at the moment is that the script is real, loads of connotations with that SeeSpotBite post and Furious Gods doc. Also, Spaihts tweeted a few days ago that he has been told it leaked somewhere but he couldn't find it, and he didn't seem to pissed off at the prospect of the leak.

Wow - just read it. Its well written and reads as legit to me based on all the known background info.

Spaihts story opens with the Engineers performing a human 'upgrade' in 12,000BC via scarabs (that dissolve a sacrificial Engineer) and inject human victims with the DNA upgrade.

The story setup at the start is a bit more convincing and shows that Watts (Shaw) and Holloway were a bit more clued up about the Engineers and an apparent correlation of human evolution that is 'assisted' every eleven hundred years.

Loved the giant stone obelisk under the Med Sea showing the star map (was that what the water tank in Spain was being lined up for?)

Also liked the light beacons emitting out of the pyramids at the end on LV426


The Juggernaut in Spaihts story is loaded with Alien eggs and IS a cargo of super-predators created to destroy humans a-la Noah's flood.

Worryingly, Spaihts does include a joking reference to Space Jesus!

Quote from: 180924609 on Nov 11, 2012, 01:57:15 PM
(was that what the water tank in Spain was being lined up for?)

That was lined up for the eventually cut scene from Lindelof's script with David in Weyland's dream on this yacht and Young Weyland (hence why they hired Guy Pearce)

Quote from: antovolk on Nov 11, 2012, 02:01:14 PM

Quote from: 180924609 on Nov 11, 2012, 01:57:15 PM
(was that what the water tank in Spain was being lined up for?)

That was lined up for the eventually cut scene from Lindelof's script with David in Weyland's dream on this yacht and Young Weyland (hence why they hired Guy Pearce)

Agreed, but there also was some talk back then of someone from construction who said that there's a pyramid being build down there.

Studios tolerate when produced script appears on the internet.. Maybe its appearance on the BD set was more a question of dealing with WGA, than rights to the material.

Quote from: Zenzucht on Nov 11, 2012, 03:16:44 PM
Studios tolerate when produced script appears on the internet.. Maybe its appearance on the BD set was more a question of dealing with WGA, than rights to the material.

Probably, Spaihts/Lindelof were both enthusiastic for their scripts to appear on the BD, but alas...no.

Skimmed through it. Seems okay, I guess.

In many, many ways it's a gorgeous script.  Has the same stripped-down, brutally elegant prose of Spaihts' other work and the same sumptuous visuals and ideas.  I've always liked his work and I've always said so, and I do like this a lot - as just an Alien prequel.  But at the same time, compared to the film, I see the same issues I took with it when it was first synopsized for us - too many derivative alien concepts, just more and more xenomorphs, and a David who is too nefarious and less fascinatingly ambiguous.  Also, too little of the Vickers we came to know.  What's more, there seem to be twice the amount of nameless redshirts.  It wasn't his fault, per se; Spaihts was asked to deliver an Alien prequel and the script is certainly that, ticking the boxes - aliens, hunt on the ship, etc etc.  But compared to how far they went off the rez with it I prefer where it went later on.

The core ideas, of course - Shaw, the expedition, David, the Engineers - power the final film we got, but I think they were significantly streamlined and improved upon in a lot of ways over time.  I do wish they'd kept the Engineer launching 'invisible missiles' from his suit or whatever.  There's a lot of gorgeous stuff I'd like to have seen, like Weyland on Mars, or the talking Fifield ("you").

The crash sequence is also amazing - the ship coming apart into free-standing sections and Shaw/Watts struggling to escape from a falling command module reminds me way, way too disturbingly much of what has long been the projected fate of the crew of the doomed USS Challenger.  And though I'm happy with that scene in the film, in terms of sheer horror maybe it's sick but I wish we'd been able to see that sequence as in the script.  I also loved David endlessly nagging Watts in the shuttle at the end.

Still reading but the scene where Watt's confronts David leading up to her impregnation is pure hilarity. It's like David's a bad Bond villain, dealing out minutes of exposition whilst toying with the protagonist when he should just see his plan through. He plucks the facehugger off her and dangles it in front of her whilst monologuing! Oh the horror!  ;D I also think the idea of David being disappointed by his makers was better explored in the final film. And whereas Prometheus left a bit too much in the way of mystery, this version of the script doesn't seem to hold any.

I'm somewhat glad we went in the direction we did with Prometheus but still feel a better script lies somewhere between these two. But that may change as I devote more time to delving into the script beyond the major plot points.

I think that David/facehugger thing is scripted a lot better than the scene has any right to be given the content.  It's operatic, but the concept itself is so Bond villain.  There's some great lines: "You're all so stupid."  But I'm so glad they didn't do that.

I still can't believe they named people 'Brick' and 'Glasse.'  And there's too many xenomorphs on the dance floor.

The terraforming plot is useless,as is the part with the 2 xenomorphs at the end in the pyramid. Fifield mutation is pretty much pointless,doesn't serve any purpose ,forgot about him untill he came back and killed Vickers. Millburn was still an idiot playing with alien lifeforms.
There is no giant human head in this draft, no cave with giant heads either,even if they were in the concept art for the original alien prequel.
The part with the engineer in full suit shooting energy balst or whatever is too cheesy and comical.Glad id didn't end up in the movie.
The engineer killed David because he woke him up from cryosleep and he was already infected so he knew he would die. Thus he punished David.
I liked the part about the first alien on the ship.The one with translucent skin like a molusc. Also good was that they shoes different type of eggs with suid like facehugger in them, those being probably the versions that killed the engineers. Then there are the normal eggs meant for the humans,and they expanded on the fact that there are even more variations,all weaponized.

A few things that i don't like
-why the light beacon at the end? wasn't the audio signal enough? If this engineer outpost was abandoned for so long,why didn't the other engineers check up on them all this time?
-there are several pyramids along the ecuatorial line of the moon. I'm sure they would have founded when they terrafromed the moon in Aliens
-the number of years don't add up. sometimes there are 11000 years,other times there are 1600 years between visits. they say the trace back these cycles for many 11000 old cycles,but then David says that 12000 years ago was the last ice age or something,and that is when civilisation started to grow.
-the joke about the jesus being an engineer doesn't make sense,cause it doesn't fit in with the above dates they last visited us. no point in making the assumption
-in this version no one asks the question why did they created us and why they want to destroys us. It's like nobody cares in this version.
- also in this , because they don't ask the above question, it seems it's not arranged for a sequel. There is no way for them to leave the planet and go to the engineer homeworld and get the answers. Wttas doesn't care about these answers. it's even more madening than the open questions in prometheus
-people complained about nthe back and forth in prometheus, to many trips between ship and pyramid,to many times the action changes from one location to the other. well in this draft there is even more of that
-- even if David had some shitty lines in this one and acted like a Bond villain like others above me have said, i still liked how hw screwed Shaw over. but things like: ''i had to learn binary code and that allowed me to set myself free'' were really lame
-we have no idea if the purpose they were on this moon was for terraforming and create new life,or if it was the place where they designed their weapons. the script doesn't make it clear
-also confusing the mentions of the pyramids on earth. at one point in the script it's said humans constructed the pyramids to copy the engineers,but then they say the engineers made the pyramids to change the weather on earth too
-the part at the beginning with scarabs that eat the engineer then use his genetic material to inject new hosts is kinda iffy. i liked the disintegration via goo better and it fits with genetic materia from the enginner lands in waterfall/river->runs into ocean->creates sincle cell organisms/bacteria whatever that evolves into sea life,reptiles->that come on land and grow legs->rest of the evolution and somehow because of the goo it's somewhat progeammed that eventually humanoids will evolve from all of this.
-the ultramorph battle was pretty bad, and the part with the head put like a trophy above the module entrance was wtf, parody moment

I liked
- the hologram concept in the pilot room,the one that engulves the walls and ceiling and shows directly the view outside.
- i liked the way the engineers see
- the magellan falling and breaking apart in mid air
-the fact they explored more of the pyramid

In the end this would have meant a 3 hour movie,and judging from all the places they visit in the pyramid, the exploration of more pyramids on the moon, the scaning of more planets, the lenghty begnning and weyland presentation, the underwater find, this would have been more expensive to shoot, in line with the orginal budget Ridley wanted of 250 million.

But i still kinda doubt this is the real deal, and it's not just another fanboy fantasy. And if it's real i like that a lot of perceived bad things that were atributed to Lindelof,also find themselves in this draft too. And i think Prometheus was much better, introduced new concepts,and left a wide open door for the next installments with good questions to be answered and they don't have to rehash and milk the xeno anymore

I'm on page 95 and I actually really enjoyed the first act (bar the Weyland conference scene). Loved the landing, exploring of the pyramids and the further explanation of why they believe the Engineers to be their makers (which was sadly left out for the 'I choose to believe' naffness). There's no 'invitation' nonsense and overall it's rather well structured (despite there being too many characters).

However once the shit hits the fan the script falls apart. If you thought the 3rd act of Prometheus was rushed, well this reads as being far worse. If this is real, it's really a bit of a mess and very fan-fic.

Anything is better than the pretentious piece of shit ridley Scott and Damon lindleof served up. On page 18 and enjoying it :)

Quote from: SuicideDoors on Nov 11, 2012, 07:43:12 PM
Anything is better than the pretentious piece of shit ridley Scott and Damon lindleof served up. On page 18 and enjoying it :)

I miss the days when people use to put "In my opinion" on their bold statements

After page 35 the script falls apart and becomes nothing more than a shoot them up monster film with nothing new to add to the alienverse

Quote from: SuicideDoors on Nov 11, 2012, 07:43:12 PM
Anything is better than the pretentious piece of shit ridley Scott and Damon lindleof served up. On page 18 and enjoying it :)

Not really.

The scripts a pretty good read. If this does turn out to be the work of a fan then I'll tip my hat to them. However, as many have mentioned, it's a little heavy handed with the fan service.

This gave me a good laugh though...


:D

As I said, I think it's really well-done.  There's some great stuff, and the core concepts were solid and made the final film happen.  But there's also way too much of "aliens on our ship - let's go hunt em".  I rolled my eyes at that.

Of course, that was his initial brief - aliens, LV-426.

I doubt its the work of a fan.  I've been watching the Prometheus making of documentary, Furious Gods, and all the screenshots of Spaight's draft matches up perfectly with this copy. If it's a fake, it must have been a very intricately researched one, because as far as I'm concerned, it seems pretty real.  :)

- Certain shots of the script in documentary match up word for word
- There's the mention of a 5 spoke wheel of a space station Weyland resides in and a round shuttlecraft Holloway and Watts take - both of these are seen in the form of concept art in the documentary, with the former being specifically described by the concept artists as a Weyland station.
- Hammerpede is described as a centipede like creature with a hammer like head and a slit in the mouth that becomes horizontal when it's about to attack - this centipede like hammerpede concept art is seen in the documentary and there's a Ridleygram briefly shown depicting a hammerpede with a horizontal mouth.
- Older Holloway, squishy white aliens, David playing with the hugger, links to Alien, sex-burster, Milburn and Fifield losing the maps, have all been mentioned in interviews with Spaights on the draft.

Nothing faulty so far - safe to say it's legit.

Spaihts said on twitter that apparently there was a 'leak going around.

Signs point out to this being legit.

Got other stuff to read right now though. this will have to wait :P

Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Nov 11, 2012, 08:17:06 PM
I doubt its the work of a fan.  I've been watching the Prometheus making of documentary, Furious Gods, and all the screenshots of Spaight's draft matches up perfectly with this copy.

I was just about to ask if someone had done this. Thanks for that!

This script is Alien: R bad.

It's just a draft. A work in progress. It's insane to judge this as a "finished" piece.

And Spaihts just tweeted confirming it's real: https://twitter.com/jonspaihts/status/267769732571209729

Cool!

Michael Fassbender and Noomi Rapace should get together and film the scene with the facehugger just for fun.

This was one of the last drafts Jon did before it became Prometheus.

Gotta say I'm really enjoying it too.

QuoteHOLLOWAY: Move slowly. Stay together. Don't touch anything.

:laugh:

Quote from: fiveways on Nov 11, 2012, 09:47:05 PM
This script is Alien: R bad.

I think it's pretty damn good so far.

This script is awesome! God damn you Damon Lindelof!

So how does Alien Harvest fit into this?

This script is big and dumb, but at least it is balls-out big and dumb and doesn't pretend to be smart, unlike the travesty that Lindelof came up with. It also has far fewer holes in it, especially in regards to character behavior.

I loved the heck out of this script. It was  so much more competent than the film we had. No leaps of logic, no confusing black goo of plot convenience, and a clear and definite connection to the Alien franchise while also expanding the universe in a way that makes sense. The characters were smarter here, even though Milburn was a dolt for touching that alien it was explained away by his overconfidence in the durability of his bulletproof spacesuit. Holloway chestbursting scene would've been surprising in the movie had it gone this way. Though I do agree, David is way too malevolent for my liking in this script, however it serves a purpose.

With some work to buff out the rough edges and whatnot this could've been a great prequel to Alien.

Pity Lindelof got his grubby hands on it and filled it with vexing questions with no answers.   

Currently reading. There's a lot I like. The spinning wheel station was probably too close to 2001, and maybe why it was changed to Mars in another version. I loved the concept art for the Excavator machine; glad to see it here. Spaihts' version feels a lot more... measured, than the final film. It's as though Lindelof clipped out all of the science talk, etc. It's like it was simplified for the final film. Well, I'm still reading.

Quote from: Avenuewriter on Nov 12, 2012, 04:08:53 AM...even though Milburn was a dolt for touching that alien it was explained away by his overconfidence in the durability of his bulletproof spacesuit.

And the fact that it was far smaller and not showing any signs of aggression... until it murdered him of course. ;D

I liked it a lot despite the larger issues I mentioned before, but as much as I love his prose and the nitty-gritty I also knew Spaihts' hard science talk would always have been airbrushed down by someone.  Most of that would not have made it into the screen in any event, IMO.  I think Scott had the right instinct getting more ambiguous and further away from the franchise tropes.

Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Nov 12, 2012, 04:49:35 AMI also knew Spaihts' hard science talk would always have been airbrushed down by someone.  Most of that would not have made it into the screen in any event, IMO.

Some of the talk about atmosphere readings etc reminded me of the same kind of chatter in Alien. Loved that stuff.

All of the stuff with the Magellan flying over LV-426 is making me wonder if Spaihts bothered watching Alien more than once. 6 hours of day left? Impressive on a planetoid with a two hour rotation.

Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 12, 2012, 04:58:39 AMSome of the talk about atmosphere readings etc reminded me of the same kind of chatter in Alien. Loved that stuff.

Yes, I concur. Instead we get "Woah, (X)-thousand feet, makes Everest look like a baby brother" and "It's like sucking on a tail-pipe". At least the Spaihts script takes itself seriously.

Quote from: SiL on Nov 12, 2012, 05:07:28 AMAll of the stuff with the Magellan flying over LV-426 is making me wonder if Spaihts bothered watching Alien more than once. 6 hours of day left? Impressive on a planetoid with a two hour rotation.

It's a moon, so maybe it rotates on it's own axis in two hours, but it's orbit around it's parent planet and it's parent planet's orbit around it's star gives it longer days... Not that it matters, at all. ;D

Quote from: SiL on Nov 12, 2012, 05:07:28 AM
All of the stuff with the Magellan flying over LV-426 is making me wonder if Spaihts bothered watching Alien more than once. 6 hours of day left? Impressive on a planetoid with a two hour rotation.

He got the years wrong too. He has Holloway say it's 2172 - seven years before Aliens  :P

Quote from: BAD_ASS_MOFO on Nov 11, 2012, 07:55:23 PM

Quote from: SuicideDoors on Nov 11, 2012, 07:43:12 PM
Anything is better than the pretentious piece of shit ridley Scott and Damon lindleof served up. On page 18 and enjoying it :)

I miss the days when people use to put "In my opinion" on their bold statements

After page 35 the script falls apart and becomes nothing more than a shoot them up monster film with nothing new to add to the alienverse

He doesn't need to say "In my opinion". It's obvious that it's his opinion, and not something that needs to be cleared up.

I'm enjoying the script alot more than I thought I would. The dialogue certainly needed some work, but the same could be said for the final movie.

Skimming through it. Lots of good ideas, but the pacing seems off.
The evil David with a facehugger speech is a little... blunt. Very surface, not very subtextual.

Pretty breakneck near the end, and the Aliens are wimps.

Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 12, 2012, 04:58:39 AM

Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Nov 12, 2012, 04:49:35 AMI also knew Spaihts' hard science talk would always have been airbrushed down by someone.  Most of that would not have made it into the screen in any event, IMO.

Some of the talk about atmosphere readings etc reminded me of the same kind of chatter in Alien. Loved that stuff.

A lot of that is inaudible the first time you see the film though, or garbled cross-talk. (Or cut from the film)

I liked it, but Spaihts has always put a lot in his scripts that wouldn't necessarily be heard outright in the final film.  Prometheus itself has a fair bit of that in the landing sequence.

Reading this, i don't see any mention on how the platform i the chair room eneded up with a hole in it made by acid. There is also mention of the engineer cryopods on the same platform, but there aren't any in Alien. And i say it again, he placed a lot of these pyramids on the planet surface along the ecuatorial line. How come nobody in Aliens found them? This script is full of inconsistencies, and too bloated.

And lmao at the description of Lindelofs script. God please leak

http://blog.seespotbite.com/ (http://blog.seespotbite.com/)

I try to put in order

"Beluga" Alien life cicle:

The new "facehugger":

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The new chestburster:

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The adult 'beluga' xenomorph:

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"Classic "Alien:

David the big bastard...

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"Ultramorph" Alien:

The "Jockey-Alien":

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Fifield

This version was similar to the "beluga" Alien:

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Quote from: zuzuki on Nov 12, 2012, 08:39:43 AMAnd lmao at the description of Lindelofs script. God please leak

"...but the thing I found most interesting between the two drafts (and writers) is just how much more character development exists in Lindelof's version."

You know I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be the case, considering that the BD deleted scenes are comprised almost entirely of character moments.

All of those above alien designs are better than that 'dolphin' alien we got at the end of the film. The deacon to me was way too similar to the Alien R and AVP aliens (with some dolphin DNA added) while the ones shown above do remind me more of the original alien Kane's Son. And the fifield alien is creepier than the mutant we got.

Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 12, 2012, 06:09:40 AM
Pretty breakneck near the end, and the Aliens are wimps.

One of the problems I had once things kick off.

The build up is rather solid with character motivations laid out and a better lead in to our protagonists "belief" (here it's not a "belief" at all and instead presented as being conclusive), but once the shit hits the fan it becomes a bit of a mess of scenes and happenings. Alien's are born, grow, kill and are killed all in the space of script minutes. There's not much in the way of tension also (with the notable exception of the Ultramorph/ Wreckage scene) and the space jockey scenes read as rather laughable, with the conversation between The Sleeper and DAVID turning out to hold very little weight. At least in the Prometheus (though largely in the deleted scenes) there is a degree of mysticism and weight to The Sleeper's motivations beyond the rather anti-climatic 'You woke me up! I'm infected but will kill you before I die'.

There's a great script somewhere between this one and the final film. I don't think they found the right balance but I'm glad they went in the direction they did. 

I was thinking shit, aliens die easily but then I remember that they were invented before man invented guns. There's no words people.

But they were invented by a race of aliens that could fire energy missiles from their chests! :P

Did anyone else find that there was no tension in the post-med-pod scene? I mean surely if were to go down the route of having an alien run rampant on the ship, it should have been that thing, and not the boneless goblin-shark alien (which only pops up once or twice and dies in a similarly lame way). As it stands it's once more very anti-climatic and stands for very little in the overall script.

The med pod scene was a hell of a lot more ghoulish in the Spaihts draft... that would have been f**king epic in film. However we got aborted squid baby instead. Phoey.

Quote from: GazzBut they were invented by a race of aliens that could fire energy missiles from their chests! :P

I think I missed something. I thought the predator had shoulder mounted plasma guns.  :laugh:

I wouldn't put it pass a can of Raid being an effective xenomorph killer at this point.

I don't think anyone has mentioned this, the giant asshole in the movie that served no purpose to the plot, is the AIRSHAFT that Holloway falls into before discovering the nav computer and becoming infected. Been wondering about that giant asshole since i watched the trailer.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 12, 2012, 12:45:45 PM
The med pod scene was a hell of a lot more ghoulish in the Spaihts draft... that would have been f**king epic in film. However we got aborted squid baby instead. Phoey.

The actual abortion was quite effective. It was what come next that I found anti-climatic, really. At least in Prometheus cuddles had somewhat of an impact on the third act. Here the post med-pod scene plays out like a jump scare on a ghosthouse ride. The Alien does it's business, is dealt with quickly and then left behind, making way for the next set piece. It's a rather lame climax to an otherwise effective med-pod sequence in my opinion.  :(

Quote from: Gazz on Nov 12, 2012, 01:04:42 PM

Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 12, 2012, 12:45:45 PM
The med pod scene was a hell of a lot more ghoulish in the Spaihts draft... that would have been f**king epic in film. However we got aborted squid baby instead. Phoey.

The actual abortion was quite effective. It was what come next that I found anti-climatic, really. At least in Prometheus cuddles had somewhat of an impact on the third act. Here the post med-pod scene plays out like a jump scare on a ghosthouse ride. The Alien does it's business, is dealt with quickly and then left behind, making way for the next set piece. It's a rather lame climax to an otherwise effective med-pod sequence in my opinion.  :(

Oh no doubt about that. It was too easy to kill. However the entire films conclusion was killing the perfect organism again and again. I guess they could have actually had the aliens all survive and then showed what happens then.

Quote from: Gazz on Nov 12, 2012, 01:04:42 PMIt's a rather lame climax to an otherwise effective med-pod sequence in my opinion.

It is, but that moment where she is struggling to hold the foggy and blood soaked capsule closed while her 'baby' eats one of the crew is pretty awesome. Stacked on top of the trauma of the cesarean it makes for a pretty nerve-wracking horror scene, xeno or no.

Quote from: Valaquen on Nov 12, 2012, 04:58:39 AM

Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Nov 12, 2012, 04:49:35 AMI also knew Spaihts' hard science talk would always have been airbrushed down by someone.  Most of that would not have made it into the screen in any event, IMO.

Some of the talk about atmosphere readings etc reminded me of the same kind of chatter in Alien. Loved that stuff.

Ash describes it exactly as "primordial". When I watched Alien for the first time after the weeks of Promethe-ing, it was a nice little detail, considering the backstory of the Engineers.. :)

Quote from: ChrisPachi on Nov 12, 2012, 02:08:08 PM

Quote from: Gazz on Nov 12, 2012, 01:04:42 PMIt's a rather lame climax to an otherwise effective med-pod sequence in my opinion.

It is, but that moment where she is struggling to hold the foggy and blood soaked capsule closed while her 'baby' eats one of the crew is pretty awesome. Stacked on top of the trauma of the cesarean it makes for a pretty nerve-wracking horror scene, xeno or no.

Which makes it such a shame that all that horror is completely wasted and discarded by the end of the sequence. Not to mention the break neck pace in which the scene moves, with one horror topped on another and then another. With the creature killing and growing in script seconds/ minutes. It's paced more like an action scene with an ending that renders it rather meh. Building up with the fear of 'what the f**k is this creature going to do next? How could Watts overcome this beast?!' and ending with an 'Oh, that was easy enough'. Not to mention with the entire coincidence of how a gun fell to her possession. Poor guy walked into a Doom 3 scare closet.  :P

Sorry, I'm rambling. That ending just really pissed me off. Sounded like a real shining moment in the script when Spaihts described it to Empire a while back and I'm just a little disappointed it's rather spoilt.

In Prometheus the medpod scene is an iconic moment, a big crucible for Shaw, and it plays out into the third act.  And like most of the big ideas Spaihts came up with, the medpod scene in and of itself is brilliant.  The problem here is that in this script it's just another alien to get gunned down.  There's a bunch of them in the script in addition to too many redshirts, and you get the sense that it's a good thing that Watts and the crew have seen the other movies.  That doesn't work, and it's a problem I also had with the execrable Thing prequel - too much savvy and fan service, too lazy.  This script is vastly superior to that terrible film - and I'd also read the lackluster script for that prequel before it was released - but it has a similar problem.  It devolves into a series of 'bughunts' and too many aliens and I'd always believed that anything that could have happened on LV-426 or anywhere else prior to Alien had to be much bigger and weirder than that.  Prometheus was and the events in this script largely aren't.

I didn't need a bunch of xenomorphs, and neither did the movie.  I needed other monsters and ideas and I got 'em.  In retrospect I wish they'd kept the more alien Fifield in, for example, but I can't say that he's "just another alien prowling the ship," which happens too much here.  At one point I lost track of how many there were.

Fifields transformation was useless in both scripts, but more so in Spaihts draft. I forgot about him untill the end when he kills Vikers and then just dies. The whole terraforming instalation angle is also pointless, just bloats the scripts. The engineer shooting energy was lame as f**k,and the fact that Watts hangs the ultrmorph head above the last module entrance ...i can't even try to explain it. And lots of plot holes and inconsistencies when tying this to Alien.
But other wise some pretty cool moments. The first half of the script was pretty cool, the new type of eggs, the parts about engineers seeing differently than us. Spaihts does have a cool imagination, and came up with some cool things, but it seems he couldn't tie everything together in a nice fluent way.
And i remember them saying there is a more bloody version of the medpod scene that they filmed but Ridley decided not to use it. Maybe it will surface some time and will be more rewarding, even if there isn't any xeno growing outside in this version

to be fair...has anyone read Damon's full script?? Because everything he wrote did not make it on screen...before we all go praising Jon's work and trashing Damon's I think we need to read his full unedited script...something tells me a lot of the problems in Prometheus were editing issues and scene selection issues

Just some brief thoughts after only reading it once yesterday, but I thought the build up was really nice including the underwater excavation scene and visit to Weyland's orbiting station. I liked the longer scene looking for the right planetoid once they arrived at the system, and really trying to find where they should be going. In the final film it all happened very fast and they just happened on the right spot where the pyramids lay. Having it play out longer feels more realistic, and less Star Trek where they warp right into the exact spot.

I felt that the script fell apart once bad things started happening to the crew (around page 60?). There's a lot of going back and forward to the pyramid (more so than the film) and hops to and from situations without the tension of letting a single situation play out uninterrupted. Characters get muddled and David was indeed quite Bond villain-esque. However I did like the inclusion of xenomorph variants (though not their respective deaths), and seeing the artwork for what could have been really made me think a better version out of the 2 scripts would made a more satisfying film. Maybe next time.

Quote from: Daz85 on Nov 12, 2012, 05:31:51 PM
Just some brief thoughts after only reading it once yesterday, but I thought the build up was really nice including the underwater excavation scene and visit to Weyland's orbiting station. I liked the longer scene looking for the right planetoid once they arrived at the system, and really trying to find where they should be going. In the final film it all happened very fast and they just happened on the right spot where the pyramids lay. Having it play out longer feels more realistic, and less Star Trek where they warp right into the exact spot.

They said some time ago in an interview that they didn't go directly to the pyramid in Lindelofs script either. They scouted the planet for hours before finding it. It's touch to say what other things are in the final script without having it, but just looking at Spaihts draft, then at the movie and all of the info from the interviews, i'd say the movie ended up much better and opens a lot more doors to explore in this universe.

By the way readin how they put together the clues and came up with the star map in this draft, made me remember about a picture leak when the movie was still filming that showed a star map on the floor with lines and stuff. We didn't get that in the movie in the end

Quote from: zuzuki on Nov 12, 2012, 05:52:28 PM
By the way readin how they put together the clues and came up with the star map in this draft, made me remember about a picture leak when the movie was still filming that showed a star map on the floor with lines and stuff. We didn't get that in the movie in the end

It was just one of the floor tiles in the Juggernaut with dirt on it, I have no idea how someone could think that this was a starmap.

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Quote from: SuicideDoors on Nov 11, 2012, 07:43:12 PM
Anything is better than the pretentious piece of shit ridley Scott and Damon lindleof served up. On page 18 and enjoying it :)

I miss the days when people use to put "In my opinion" on their bold statements

After page 35 the script falls apart and becomes nothing more than a shoot them up monster film with nothing new to add to the alienverse

He doesn't need to say "In my opinion". It's obvious that it's his opinion, and not something that needs to be cleared up.

I'm enjoying the script alot more than I thought I would. The dialogue certainly needed some work, but the same could be said for the final movie.

Thank you

I can't help but feel aggrieved reading this draft and then thinking about the movie we were served up. Thought (spaihts script) was exciting and expansive in terms of Alien mythology. In hindsight wish I was a bit more supportive about Carl Rinsch getting the job. Think Ridleys artistry and not wanting to repeat himself stood in the way of a great sci fi movie.

In my opinion :)

Quote from: SpeedyMaxx on Nov 12, 2012, 03:03:23 PM
In Prometheus the medpod scene is an iconic moment, a big crucible for Shaw, and it plays out into the third act.  And like most of the big ideas Spaihts came up with, the medpod scene in and of itself is brilliant.  The problem here is that in this script it's just another alien to get gunned down.  There's a bunch of them in the script in addition to too many redshirts, and you get the sense that it's a good thing that Watts and the crew have seen the other movies.  That doesn't work, and it's a problem I also had with the execrable Thing prequel - too much savvy and fan service, too lazy.  This script is vastly superior to that terrible film - and I'd also read the lackluster script for that prequel before it was released - but it has a similar problem.  It devolves into a series of 'bughunts' and too many aliens and I'd always believed that anything that could have happened on LV-426 or anywhere else prior to Alien had to be much bigger and weirder than that.  Prometheus was and the events in this script largely aren't.

I didn't need a bunch of xenomorphs, and neither did the movie.  I needed other monsters and ideas and I got 'em.  In retrospect I wish they'd kept the more alien Fifield in, for example, but I can't say that he's "just another alien prowling the ship," which happens too much here.  At one point I lost track of how many there were.

Nailed it.

Somebody in the comments section of this page said the "Alien01: Genesis" script was leaked a month ago, and he read that version.

http://badassdigest.com/2012/11/12/jon-spaihts-original-alien-prequel-script-has-escaped-into-the-wild/ (http://badassdigest.com/2012/11/12/jon-spaihts-original-alien-prequel-script-has-escaped-into-the-wild/)

Quote from: Daz85 on Nov 12, 2012, 08:54:29 PM
Somebody in the comments section of this page said the "Alien01: Genesis" script was leaked a month ago, and he read that version.

http://badassdigest.com/2012/11/12/jon-spaihts-original-alien-prequel-script-has-escaped-into-the-wild/ (http://badassdigest.com/2012/11/12/jon-spaihts-original-alien-prequel-script-has-escaped-into-the-wild/)

It's incredible that people think Spaihts version is superior to the final movie. If you nitpicked on every little thing in Prometheus, but ignore the giant mess in the second part of this draft, then you are mental

Nerd myth metastasizes fast, as does clannish groupthink.

Any word on Lindelof's draft?

Quote from: aliens13 on Nov 12, 2012, 02:47:54 AM
God damn you Damon Lindelof!

Do U realize that old Scott chose this script?

EXT. LOWLAND PLAIN - DAY

THREE FIGURES walk out of the shadow.

They are men - and yet not men. Their skin is snow-white.
Their features heavy and classical - as if Rodin's Thinker
had risen from his seat. Their smooth heads are earless and
hairless. Their glittering eyes entirely black.

Against the stark land their height is impossible to judge.

They are ENGINEERS.

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Quote from: zuzuki on Nov 12, 2012, 09:27:29 PM

Quote from: Daz85 on Nov 12, 2012, 08:54:29 PM
Somebody in the comments section of this page said the "Alien01: Genesis" script was leaked a month ago, and he read that version.

http://badassdigest.com/2012/11/12/jon-spaihts-original-alien-prequel-script-has-escaped-into-the-wild/ (http://badassdigest.com/2012/11/12/jon-spaihts-original-alien-prequel-script-has-escaped-into-the-wild/)

It's incredible that people think Spaihts version is superior to the final movie. If you nitpicked on every little thing in Prometheus, but ignore the giant mess in the second part of this draft, then you are mental

I'm with you.  This is worse then most of the stuff Dark Horse Produced.

I also taking it back, the second half isnt Alien:R bad, it is AvP:R bad.  David's character reads liek  30's serial villain.  He pretty much ties shaw to the railway tracks and leaves before the train arrives.

Does anybody have the ALIEN^01: Genesis script, that's allegedly circling around?

I honestly wish we had gotten this movie. It knows what it is and not ashamed of it. With a hungry, talented director behind it we could have gotten something that, while simply a space monster movie, could have been REALLY cool.

Scott and Lindelof should not have been involved AT ALL. One was bored and the other unfocused. Maybe they both were.

This was an interesting read, but I found the ULTRAMORPH rather idiotique idea (OK, might be the name only).

I loved the referrence to the Bible's Angels being the Engineers, pretty clever. But this David sucked, and it was cheesy and hard to believe seeing him citing Bible quotes every time.


What I got from this is that the movie was better, this script was cool but there were too many creatures and action, I loved how the other film managed the suspense and action to give every scene a highly dramatic feel.

I like the Prometheus David more than the one from the Draft. Also the hammerpedes sound better than centipedes, although the draft made a lot more sense with how Fifield and Milburn reacted.

I found it hard to believe that Fifield was the only one to encounter the scarabs, also like in Prometheus there was no explanation as to what happened to the creatures that killed all the engineers.

And jockeys were 15 foot tall, twice the size of that depicted in the movie. The chair didn't raise up out of ground in this draft, but they used a fair chunk of CGI budget to do so in Prometheus.

I wonder if Spaihts planned for a sequel that would explain the lack of Pyramids and Magellan wreckage in the first 2 films.

Humans should have been left out of the alien prequel. I wanted to see the space jockey's story. :P

Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 13, 2012, 06:45:28 AM
Humans should have been left of the alien prequel. I wanted to see the space jockey's story. :P

But... they're us. They're everything.

Spoiler

:P :P :P

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Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 13, 2012, 06:45:28 AM
Humans should have been left of the alien prequel. I wanted to see the space jockey's story. :P

I wanted to see more 'dumbass colonists'.

Quote from: Vance19 on Nov 13, 2012, 06:28:57 AMI wonder if Spaihts planned for a sequel that would explain the lack of Pyramids and Magellan wreckage in the first 2 films.

The script couldn't of stayed on LV-426, too many inconsistencies. Maybe not so much for Alien, as the Nostromo hones in on the derelict and doesn't really survey the entire planetoid, but definitely a big problem for Aliens. You would of thought that Weyand Yutani would of noticed something like that.

Maybe Jon had an idea that the 'atmosphere processors' Weyand Yutani manufactures originate from alien tech that was recovered on the same planetoid, maybe the colony was built over the pyramid site.. but if that was the case they would have found specimens or xeno DNA.

Going by the timeline it makes sense because the ESCA Atmosphere Processors were invented or co-funded around the same time the colony was built, after the events in Alien.

I expect some of the stuff in here will likely be recycled for the sequel.  Everyone involved has said they had enough for at least two movies.

Quote from: Vance19 on Nov 13, 2012, 07:33:59 AM

Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 13, 2012, 06:45:28 AM
Humans should have been left of the alien prequel. I wanted to see the space jockey's story. :P

I wanted to see more 'dumbass colonists'.

A Queen...a hive...and a bunch of idiots.....aaaand a few who have to play hero!   Story = perfect!

Wait, was done already. No reason to touch the franchise again!

I want the Lindelof draft. It's frickin' one-hundred and sixty-two pages! Imagine... :o

Interesting read.  Amazing how just like every film in the franchise since Aliens the issue has been the lack of a clear script and goal.

While it has some good ideas and is clearly developed as a true prequel the script has just as many issues as the final film IMHO - just different ones.

The final script, while trying to solve these merely introduces new issues of its own even while improving some areas - characterization of David for example.

I love the franchise, but I really wish they wouldn't make any films at all if they can't sort out the basics of structure, goals and plot to the level of Alien & Aliens.  Every other film has been a mess of various degrees with Alien 3 the closest to having some coherency.

Well I for one thought that script was horrible.

Honestly was that the best Alien prequel anyone could come up with? What a load of rubbish really, I'm glad they changed it, but I can't help they would have been better off scrapping the whole thing and starting again.

Yes there were cool moments, the med pod scene I particularly liked, being fixed up after a chest burst, nasty... good job there was a gun next to the pod to dispose of the Xeno. Yep that sucked.

The whole ending with the ultramorph (honestly, you called it an ULTRAMORPH!) being a giant pussy... well I guess it's comparable with cuddles for crapness.

It makes a lot more sense why Ridley did what he did now, I just wish he had actually taken the time to make an excellent film rather than a decent one (at best).

I sincerely hope they can do something good with P2, I mean the engineers have 2000 years of evolution on top of what we saw in the film, they can practically do whatever they want.

Quote from: Disendor on Nov 13, 2012, 04:11:09 PM
I want the Lindelof draft. It's frickin' one-hundred and sixty-two pages! Imagine... :o

No thanks.

Ok so I just finished it.
Overall I think it's stronger than the film but it has some problems that were in the finished film such as:
The whole Fifield/Milburn getting lost thing.
The constant jumping around from character to character seems unfocused.
Characters being killed for the sake of being killed who you couldn't care less about.

On one hand it is just another ALIEN movie but on the other hand I'd rather just have another ALIEN movie with new xeno varieties than a half assed one pretending to be something else which is what I felt we got.

I like the start and end of this script.
I think it's really awesome from the Med Pod on. Watts/Shaw is a bad ass. The writing is much stronger with her helping Janek ram the ship and then having to escape. Much more intense and edge of your seat.

Having read the screenplay now, it's obvious that Spaihts was responsible for a lot of things. I'm surprised Lindelof received credit. Really.

Has anyone read Spaiht's other two "scripts" that are available via the interwebs.  I am not a fan.  As I have posted (numerous times) before, his "Shadow 19" is skating very close to out-right plagiarism of Algis Budry's "Rogue Moon".  His other script, "Passengers", takes place on a interstellar generation ship in which something has gone terribly wrong (which has been done to death in the Sci-Fi genre).  It also reads like a soap opera, and has an absolutely ludicrous ending.

I am sure Mr. Spaihts is a nice guy...but I am not convinced he is a talented writer, from the afore-mentioned two scripts.  And no, I have not read his Alien:  Engineers script.  I would have to be a masochist to put myself through any more Prometheus related trauma.

It's gone....someone pass it along to me? :)

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Nov 14, 2012, 03:16:43 AM
It's gone....someone pass it along to me? :)

Noooooo! Its gone for me, too. I only got about 20 pages in. If someone happened to save the draft, I would be much abliged for a copy, too.  :)

Same here, I was gone for the duration of this thing being available.

I only got 40 pages in.

... actually I think I'm cool with that. I don't think it's bad, but I didn't find it any more interesting than a well-written fan-fic.

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/112142280-Alien-Engineers.pdf (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/112142280-Alien-Engineers.pdf)

Just skimmed through it, shall read properly later. Has some nice turns of phrase in the descriptions, though.

Quote from: ikarop on Nov 14, 2012, 08:22:56 AM
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/112142280-Alien-Engineers.pdf (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/112142280-Alien-Engineers.pdf)

Awesome. Thanks a ton, Ikarop.  :) :)

Your a lifesaver Ikarop! I got 80 pages into it when they pulled it.

Everyone is waiting for the Lindelof leak, now.

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Damon's draft JUST LEAKED.  8)

The white xeno reminded me this:
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Quote from: Disendor on Nov 14, 2012, 06:23:22 PMEveryone is waiting for the Lindelof leak, now.

I'm waiting for the "Alien 0.1" script

Reading bits and pieces. It's not a perfect draft, but it's certainly not bad. And it's A LOT MORE tense than the Lindelof storyline. wich would have benefited the film greatly.

I prefer some of the characterization and the ending of the Lindelof version though. Seeing David and Shaw begin their travel into the stars was just a perfect way to end the film. Lindelof's self professed aversion to plot exposition is plainly evident when comparing the film to the spaihts script. Lindelof just ignored tons of exposition that would have averted some of people's problems with the film. (Milburn being overconfident in his suit's protective habilities, how they get lost etc.. etc..)

Somewhere between the two there would have been a better version of Prometheus.

Here's hoping whoever writes/directs the sequel gets to use some of the unused elements in this script.... The Holloway chestburster. The room with the squidlike facehuggers... The Carlos Huante Beluga headed Xenomorphs and Mutated Fifield... the scene between David and Shaw(Watts) with him holding the facehugger right near her face.... that would have been amazing to see on the screen. :) Also, neat use of Mutated Fifield... he "talks!"

I like the descritiption of the Holloway Xeno:

Spoiler

QuoteBehind them, from an eight-inch diameter pipe, a WHITE MASS
oozes, almost gelatinous. Silently as a liquid it pours
itself into the stagnant water - and stands up.
It is a humanoid demon, spindly limbs and bony back. Boneless
and flexible and monstrously strong. A threshing eel's tail.
Its blunt head dolphin-like and elongated.
It opens its mouth. A pair of bony jaws jut out impossibly
far, hungry and demonic.
The Alien strikes. Card is gutted in an instant, torn up like
a paper doll. He screams hideously and drops. The Alien,
whiplash fast, shoots away into the darkness.
For one moment Downs's flashlight beam illuminates the Alien.
A nightmare image, a translucent white goblin. Backlit, it
shows the strange shape of a human face inside its fleshy
skull. A mockery of Holloway.
And then it's gone.

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This Xeno kills a shit ton of people by himself. Do like that.
It's the depiction of the Watts xeno and the Ultramorph that bother me. (They get killed way too quickly) Lindelof did well in replacing those elements with the Trilobite and the Engineer confrontation... I also prefer the Engineers in the final film to the way they are written here.

Quote from: Blacklabel on Nov 15, 2012, 06:21:15 AMLindelof just ignored tons of exposition that would have averted some of people's problems with the film. (Milburn being overconfident in his suit's protective habilities, how they get lost etc.. etc..)

Both the Lindelof and Spaihts versions of the hammerpede scene did not have Milburn acting the way he did in the film. Only the Spaihts version actually addressed the possible reason that both of them (in Spaihts' it was Milburn, in Lindelof's it was Fifield) handle the hammerpede - which was much smaller in both scripts - with impunity.

As for them getting lost, the Spaihts version actually made some form of sense - they lost their map. Lindelof didn't ignore 'tons' of exposition - he ignored basic exposition.

Remember when they said "the last 15 minutes tie-in with the beginning of Alien"? I'm pretty sure they meant this version =)

Quote from: Magegg on Nov 16, 2012, 03:53:15 AM
Remember when they said "the last 15 minutes tie-in with the beginning of Alien"? I'm pretty sure they meant this version =)

It ties sh*t!  :D

So I guess it wasn't an Alien that the Nostromo crushed while landing on LV-426,
it was Shaws/Watts' little cast away camp that it landed on!

Spoiler

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-XqzRUheRwO4%2FUFX-ZhOHKsI%2FAAAAAAAAA8I%2F0R77ttGD3j0%2Fs1600%2FCast_Away_4021_Medium.jpeg&hash=946356df692f40249152e2499103d1a9b85517ab)

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Quote from: Blacklabel on Nov 15, 2012, 06:21:15 AM
I like the descritiption of the Holloway Xeno:

Spoiler

QuoteBehind them, from an eight-inch diameter pipe, a WHITE MASS
oozes, almost gelatinous. Silently as a liquid it pours
itself into the stagnant water - and stands up.
It is a humanoid demon, spindly limbs and bony back. Boneless
and flexible and monstrously strong. A threshing eel's tail.
Its blunt head dolphin-like and elongated.
It opens its mouth. A pair of bony jaws jut out impossibly
far, hungry and demonic.
The Alien strikes. Card is gutted in an instant, torn up like
a paper doll. He screams hideously and drops. The Alien,
whiplash fast, shoots away into the darkness.
For one moment Downs's flashlight beam illuminates the Alien.
A nightmare image, a translucent white goblin. Backlit, it
shows the strange shape of a human face inside its fleshy
skull. A mockery of Holloway.
And then it's gone.

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Kind of a white, latex T-1000 with teeth.

Nah your reading too much into the "ooze" description, i think. It's very similar to the Carlos Huante design... except it's boneless, actually has a tail and the dome is transparent and "dolphin like". Huante inspired himself in the Belluga whale for his last design before he left, he probably started off from this description. His design has the "pair of bony jaws" in a few of his concept pieces. the chestburster stage does have the hability to "squeeze" itself into tight spaces like an octopus though. That hability isnt shown in the adult version.

The original Giger Alien shows up on the script. and is the one that Watts (Shaw) gives "birth" to.

The differences between these aliens are explained by David. There are many different compartiments with different eggs on the juggernaut, and each have been "tinkered with" differently. Holloway and Watts each "get" different facehuggers. There's no clear "protoxeno" here. No "evolution" into the Alien. The black ooze can mutate animals but doesnt give them the hability to give birth to "facehuggers" who then mate to produce the alien. There's none of that "Lindelofian" overcomplication in here.

One idea though. Spaihts script has a "hatchery" with many different eggs. Lindelof's version has the "Head" room with many canisters of varying size. Maybe their contents really are different. And fifield did get something different than Holloway. Someone has to get Lindelof at gunpoint to explain that mess. He'd probably just say "i dont know.. and isnt that cool? And mysterious?" Gah! :laugh:

I wonder which came first;
the script or early concept art?

Quote from: LarsVader on Nov 16, 2012, 08:49:03 AM

Quote from: Magegg on Nov 16, 2012, 03:53:15 AM
Remember when they said "the last 15 minutes tie-in with the beginning of Alien"? I'm pretty sure they meant this version =)

It ties sh*t!  :D

So I guess it wasn't an Alien that the Nostromo crushed while landing on LV-426,
it was Shaws/Watts' little cast away camp that it landed on!

Spoiler

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-XqzRUheRwO4%2FUFX-ZhOHKsI%2FAAAAAAAAA8I%2F0R77ttGD3j0%2Fs1600%2FCast_Away_4021_Medium.jpeg&hash=946356df692f40249152e2499103d1a9b85517ab)

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Quote from: Magegg on Nov 16, 2012, 04:21:25 PM

Quote from: LarsVader on Nov 16, 2012, 08:49:03 AM

Quote from: Magegg on Nov 16, 2012, 03:53:15 AM
Remember when they said "the last 15 minutes tie-in with the beginning of Alien"? I'm pretty sure they meant this version =)

It ties sh*t!  :D

So I guess it wasn't an Alien that the Nostromo crushed while landing on LV-426,
it was Shaws/Watts' little cast away camp that it landed on!

Spoiler

(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-XqzRUheRwO4%2FUFX-ZhOHKsI%2FAAAAAAAAA8I%2F0R77ttGD3j0%2Fs1600%2FCast_Away_4021_Medium.jpeg&hash=946356df692f40249152e2499103d1a9b85517ab)

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What I was trying to say was that in my opinion it ties into Alien very badly.
So much inconsistency.

For example; the Nostromo crew should have stumbled upon Watts' ultramorph adorned ship module and such.
And since they didn't stumble upon her camp I speculated that they simply must have landed on top of her,
me including a reference to a xeno some demented people allegedly saw being crushed by the Nostromos landing feet in ALIEN.

And I found her behavior very cast-away-ish, decorating her home with trophies and talking to a head.
That's the Tom Hanks image for.

Quote from: LarsVader on Nov 16, 2012, 04:32:47 PMSo I guess it wasn't an Alien that the Nostromo crushed while landing on LV-426,
it was Shaws/Watts' little cast away camp that it landed on!

Remember Aliens: Engineers was written to be the first of two Alien prequels. Maybe the second one would explain Watts and David's fates.

And out of that, it explained the origin of the Juggernaut from the First movie; so, yeah, it tied-up with Alien and complished its purpose.

Quote from: Magegg on Nov 16, 2012, 05:32:13 PM

Quote from: LarsVader on Nov 16, 2012, 04:32:47 PMSo I guess it wasn't an Alien that the Nostromo crushed while landing on LV-426,
it was Shaws/Watts' little cast away camp that it landed on!

Remember Aliens: Engineers was written to be the first of two Alien prequels. Maybe the second one would explain Watts and David's fates.

And out of that, it explained the origin of the Juggernaut from the First movie; so, yeah, it tied-up with Alien and complished its purpose.

So the second prequel would explain all the differences to the Juggernaut interiors, the change in the moons rotation and the disappearance of dead Aliens and people, a crashed Magellan, a decorated ship module, a giant pyramid complex with a giant hangar and a whole equator of pyramids all shining bright beams of light into space?

I don't want to fight over this.
I just think that it does not tie up so neatly.

Quote from: LarsVader on Nov 16, 2012, 05:55:38 PMSo the second prequel would explain all the differences to the Juggernaut interiors

We didn't see most of the Juggernaut interior in the first movie.

Quote from: LarsVader on Nov 16, 2012, 05:55:38 PMthe change in the moons rotation

And this?

Quote from: LarsVader on Nov 16, 2012, 05:55:38 PMand the disappearance of dead Aliens and people

Dude, the dead of Aliens and People happened inside the PYRAMID, not inside the Ship. As far as I know, the Nostromo explorers were never inside the Pyramid, they only got inside the ship.

Quote from: LarsVader on Nov 16, 2012, 05:55:38 PMa crashed Magellan, a decorated ship module

The script says the Magellan was cleaned from the surface by the dust/static storm, so it will take more of a archaelogical research to find the pieces. As for the module, yes, I think the sequel was going to explain that.

Quote from: LarsVader on Nov 16, 2012, 05:55:38 PMa giant pyramid complex with a giant hangar

The hangar was on the underground, and the pyramid, well, it's supposed the Nostromo landed next to the ship, they maybe didn't even notice the pyramids.

Quote from: LarsVader on Nov 16, 2012, 05:55:38 PMand a whole equator of pyramids all shining bright beams of light into space?

Pretty clear this was going to be an important plot point for the sequel.

Quote from: Blacklabel on Nov 16, 2012, 01:14:29 PM
Nah your reading too much into the "ooze" description, i think. It's very similar to the Carlos Huante design... except it's boneless, actually has a tail and the dome is transparent and "dolphin like". Huante inspired himself in the Belluga whale for his last design before he left, he probably started off from this description. His design has the "pair of bony jaws" in a few of his concept pieces. the chestburster stage does have the hability to "squeeze" itself into tight spaces like an octopus though. That hability isnt shown in the adult version.

No, I'm taking it literally:

Quotealmost gelatinous. Silently as a liquid it pours itself into the stagnant water - and stands up.

Sounds exactly like a white, fleshy T-1000 to me. :)

Ok, fine. It can be taken both ways.  :laugh: I still maintain that the description was just Spaihts being creative with his choice of words but moving on.. :laugh:

It would be interesting to organize an interview with Spaihts for the website get his views on the film and the making of etc. :P (and what he meant with that description :laugh: )

Well, I wrote an article about it for one Mexican website: http://www.anim-arte.com/aliens-engineers-el-borrador-de-prometeo/ (http://www.anim-arte.com/aliens-engineers-el-borrador-de-prometeo/)

Thanks AvPGalaxy for the pictures :)

Jon Spaiht's is a mediocore script writer, in my humble opinion.  See my previous posts for explanation, and to get links to his other two published scripts...i.e. "Shadow 19", and "Passengers".   ::)

Why this man is all of a sudden the "golden child" of Hollwood, completely escapes me.

When it comes to Damon Lindelof...my feelings are even stronger in that sense.  Oh well.

What exactly is the correlation between the scarabs and the xenos?

Quote from: Hybrid King on Nov 17, 2012, 01:52:14 PM
What exactly is the correlation between the scarabs and the xenos?

Source of the hierarchy, Egyptian symbolism..

Concerning of the Shadow 19 and the Passengers.. Shadow 19 is Spaihts' breaktrough script, he said he has rewritten it over a hundred times.. And rewriting is a big chunk of a screenwriter's work.

I am sure he had much much less time for rewrites for the Alien prequel project than for Shadow 19. If I remember well, the names of Fifield and Milburn suddenly appears after forty pages or so in the recently leaked draft, without previous setting up, which means he was changing names during the writing. You would usually get back and changed the names on the previous pages. The fact he didn't even bothered to change them means a) it was so secret that they didn't have anybody to re-check the scripts b) it was constantly evolving and c) time limit, which was probably caused to start production on a certain date because of the schedules of the talent.

What you can't argue is some (most) of the coolest scenes on Prometheus come from the Spaiths script. He has a vivid imagination and knew how to impress Ridley with it. I feel thankful for him :D

Quote from: Deuterium on Nov 17, 2012, 10:11:08 AM
Jon Spaiht's is a mediocore script writer, in my humble opinion.  See my previous posts for explanation, and to get links to his other two published scripts...i.e. "Shadow 19", and "Passengers".   ::)

Why this man is all of a sudden the "golden child" of Hollwood, completely escapes me.

When it comes to Damon Lindelof...my feelings are even stronger in that sense.  Oh well.

Well, I mean, he must have done something right....right?

Just to give a bit of background, i lived and breathed this forum for the best part of a year till i saw Prometheus. Im a massive film fan but genuinely had never been so looking forward to a film ever. i was continually showing clips to my missus, trying to explain the plot, the god type ikplications, etc. She couldnt give two f**ks, and we ended up in a few arguments because i was so into it. i then went to see it and obviously it was never going to meet the massive expectations i placed on it. However i expected more. I watched it at the cinema, and im not the best at taking a film in first time. But thats it, ive not seen it since.

As we speak i have paused it about 10 minutes into my second watch at it. And it confirms what i thought on first viewing. Its a very poor intro. Dont get me wrong, the Jon Spaihts script isnt perfect, theres no doubt you could write a thousand better versions. However, the thing he did and i think its the main thing thats wrong with the movie, is theres no build up. Theres no suspense, we dont know who has wot agenda. It makes it less of a film. We should know more about the work of Watts and Holloway. Their attempts at getting funding for their project. Weyland and his agenda. It would have set the tone brilliantly. Instead he filled it up with shite dream scenes for no reason.

Character development wasnt a priority in Alien / Aliens, but we live in a different time with different expectations. And loads of wee things like why the f**k did they use Guy Pearce as Weyland ??? He just looks like someone in old guy make-up. Why not use an actual old person ???

Biggest annoyance to me was Holloway though. The guys meant to be some world authority on archeology. Found evidence of possible aliens who are our gods. Believed it enough to ask for funding. Then when he got there was an absolute cock who hit the drink. Annoys the hell out me how unreal that is. I tried to complain about that a while back and some daftys tried to argue the case that Holloways character wasnt unrealistic. Bad bad bad.

So, here i go with the 2nd watch. I'll hopefully update with something worth saying

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I would like a real discussion on this one. You can approach any actor in the world. Why do we have who we have for Holloway. And why is he being directed to react this way ??? His whole approach is so lame. I mean, youve worked youre whole life on something so important, finally got the funding, are the first humans to land on a (possible) alien world, and youre so f**kin ham. landed on the planet, janek says 6 hours left dont go out, he says "its christmas and i want my presents" then calls david 'boy', come with me. piss poor

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Same point again i suppose, but to take in the size of what is supposed to be happening here, ie the first human expedition to an alien world and the extremely interesting side story of the shady Weyland Corporation that is funding it, we need more time to build the story up. We are on the alien world within 25 minutes of the start of the film and know virtually nothing about anybody, and subsequently couldnt care less about any of them.

Not that im saying it was a brilliant film or anytjing, but i always felt the film Contact dealt with the human aspect of what this sort of thing would mean. Its problem was it didnt deal with the actual alien contact well. However, you could see what it meant to people, different agenda, etc. The speed of Prometheus negates all that. Vickers is lost, Holloway is a douche, etc.

I think we don't really gel with the characters because they never really get anytime to gel with each other on screen.

Apart from David saving Shaw, there are no real scenes of the humans banding together. The only other one is the Janeck crash scene which feels a little too surreal the way it unfolds to be honest.

I'll say something for Spaihts' script, even with the rush in the third act and all the silliness, it's written better than Lindelof's, which seems pieced together by a high schooler. His script is ridiculous; I'm actually finding it hard to believe legitimate. Feels like a prank.

Although i was getting distracted watching the ufc and some football, i think the worst thing i could say about Prometheus is that for weeks i had been trying to get the missus off to bed on a weekend night so i could get it watched. I finally managed that and i couldnt be bothered finishing it.

Even daft things like the music was annoying me, built no tension at all.

Random comment no.1 of the night. how come when janek is zooming prometheus towards the juggernaught, and vickers is evacuating off in the lifepod, seconds later she is stood on the ground watching both ships collide in the sky, subsequently followed with her getting squashed in one of the most rediculous movie deaths of all time. "run to the side....run to the side....etc"

Quote from: steviemac on Nov 25, 2012, 01:27:16 AM
Random comment no.1 of the night. how come when janek is zooming prometheus towards the juggernaught, and vickers is evacuating off in the lifepod, seconds later she is stood on the ground watching both ships collide in the sky, subsequently followed with her getting squashed in one of the most rediculous movie deaths of all time. "run to the side....run to the side....etc"

1) Because her escape pod lands before the Prometheus hits the Juggernaut.

2) Perhaps it's to do with all the derby crashing at either side of her as to why Vickers is running straight on. But who cares when it's officially the most stupid thing to ever happen in the history of all of cinema EVER.


Apologists gotta apologise I suppose.

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Were you one of them kids that were slow in school Virgil ??? Theres a very small distance (when you take into consideration the speeds these ships were going at - ion drives anyone) between the ships, so to eject, land her smashed up rescue pod, get out then be chilled enough to look up and see a massive alien ship rolling towards her is just lame.

Im away to my bed Virgil. Let me know in the morning your thoughts on this matter, once you've finished talking nonsense.

Quote from: steviemac on Nov 25, 2012, 02:20:54 AM
Were you one of them kids that were slow in school Virgil ??? Theres a very small distance (when you take into consideration the speeds these ships were going at - ion drives anyone) between the ships, so to eject, land her smashed up rescue pod, get out then be chilled enough to look up and see a massive alien ship rolling towards her is just lame.

Im away to my bed Virgil. Let me know in the morning your thoughts on this matter, once you've finished talking nonsense.

To treat this matter with the kind of attention your highly intellectual brain deserves, I'll go over this point by point.

* Janek ejects the lifeboat whilst Vickers struggles with her spacesuit. Twenty seconds to evacuate.
* At eight seconds Vickers is ejected from the escape pod.
* By the time the countdown reaches two seconds vickers has landed and is out of the escape pod. NOTE - The countdown does not equate to the time remaining before collision.
* At two seconds the remaining crew speed the Prometheus up for impact.

Perhaps you should start paying attention to the film before posting in future. Sweet dreams.


Also, as I feel you might retort with something along the lines of 'how could anyone land an escape pod from a ship in six seconds?!' I say: If these are the details that truly anger you and sap your enjoyment from a movie, stop watching them.

Quote from: steviemac on Nov 25, 2012, 02:20:54 AM
Were you one of them kids that were slow in school Virgil ??? Theres a very small distance (when you take into consideration the speeds these ships were going at - ion drives anyone) between the ships, so to eject, land her smashed up rescue pod, get out then be chilled enough to look up and see a massive alien ship rolling towards her is just lame.

Im away to my bed Virgil. Let me know in the morning your thoughts on this matter, once you've finished talking nonsense.

Do you mind not insulting other members?

Quote from: steviemac on Nov 25, 2012, 02:20:54 AMTheres a very small distance (when you take into consideration the speeds these ships were going at - ion drives anyone) between the ships, so to eject, land her smashed up rescue pod, get out then be chilled enough to look up and see a massive alien ship rolling towards her is just lame.

You see her eject and her pod flies over Shaw, it lands and you see her get out of it, before Janek fires the ion engines and smashes into the juggernaut. Aside from the tacked on camaraderie happening on the ship this scene is a bloody ripper I reckon.

Quote from: Virgil on Nov 25, 2012, 03:01:12 AM

Quote from: steviemac on Nov 25, 2012, 02:20:54 AM
Were you one of them kids that were slow in school Virgil ??? Theres a very small distance (when you take into consideration the speeds these ships were going at - ion drives anyone) between the ships, so to eject, land her smashed up rescue pod, get out then be chilled enough to look up and see a massive alien ship rolling towards her is just lame.

Im away to my bed Virgil. Let me know in the morning your thoughts on this matter, once you've finished talking nonsense.

To treat this matter with the kind of attention your highly intellectual brain deserves, I'll go over this point by point.

* Janek ejects the lifeboat whilst Vickers struggles with her spacesuit. Twenty seconds to evacuate.
* At eight seconds Vickers is ejected from the escape pod.
* By the time the countdown reaches two seconds vickers has landed and is out of the escape pod. NOTE - The countdown does not equate to the time remaining before collision.
* At two seconds the remaining crew speed the Prometheus up for impact.

Perhaps you should start paying attention to the film before posting in future. Sweet dreams.


Also, as I feel you might retort with something along the lines of 'how could anyone land an escape pod from a ship in six seconds?!' I say: If these are the details that truly anger you and sap your enjoyment from a movie, stop watching them.

Cheers for backing up my point with your factual analysis. And whilst i appreciate that films have unrealistic things in them from time to time, why bother showing her getting out then getting squashed seconds later cos she can only run in straight lines. It would have been less rediculous if say the Juggernaught landed on her crashed escape pod. Then picky folk like me wouldnt have anything to moan about.

Dont get me wrong, i enjoyed the scene as well, but what was the point of her escaping to then be squashed pretty much straight away ???

That's a fair point, and I for one agree that it was pointless having her survive the crash only to be squashed moments later.

I do apologise for any random moments of late night moaning at folk, watching Prometheus however manages to make a normally calm man annoyed, ha ha. 

So don't watch it.

Quote from: Virgil on Nov 25, 2012, 01:35:28 PM
That's a fair point, and I for one agree that it was pointless having her survive the crash only to be squashed moments later.

In the Spaihts script and the animatics it is Watts AND Vickers who take escape pods.
And since Shaw still is on the ground in the movie suddenly the main motivation for whole escape-pod thing is gone,
but I guess Ridley still wanted to have it in the movie like it was planned and budgeted.

One of many points that should have gotten straightened prior to production, but like Ridley said, they had to move on.

I am almost sure that they know very well that this movie is far from perfect,
but if they had done it otherwise there probably would be no movie to talk about. *cough*rothman,etc*cough*

Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Nov 25, 2012, 02:13:31 PM
So don't watch it.

Too late for that unfortunately.

 Finally read it all! :D

Some random thoughts/observations :

-I kept picturing Naomi Watts as Watts! - maybe he called her that as that was his preferred actress for the role? (it did seem to be a Naomi Wattsish type role)

-I like that Holloway was older/more mature - not a space jock frat boy constantly trying to bully David! Who as the 48 year old Holloway? Val Kilmer?

-the fun critised stuff in the film seemed to make more sense here (Milburn going with Fifeld...the hammerpid attack...crashing the ship into the Juggernaut)

-Watts hanging the ultra morph head above the door - what is this AvP 3?! that said id have liked to see a huge engineer bred alien chasing Shaw/Watts like the end of Aliens: Apocalypse - The Destroying Angels (which this script was even more similar to than Prometheus) but I guess that would've taken away from the threat of the engineer

-the crashed juggernaut was supposed to be the Dereclict from Alien right? So how would the Space Jockey look so anicent/fossilised? (unless the suit was already aged - it isn't described though)

-someone already mentioned this but - seems abit much that all the pyramids were undiscovered by the Aliens era

-it seemed to be more of a blend of Alien (discovery of the ship/all the horror/xeno stalking crew on the ship) and Aliens (all the action/colonial marine like space soldiers/xenos being shot left right and centre like spacebugs - in fact all the aliens seemed to be too easily killed.) as opposed to just Alien

-the holloway xeno taking on genetic characteristics in its skull behind its dome was quite chilling - im surprised that aspect wasnt explored before in any of the previous films...

Quote from: LarsVader on Nov 25, 2012, 02:16:58 PM

Quote from: Virgil on Nov 25, 2012, 01:35:28 PM
That's a fair point, and I for one agree that it was pointless having her survive the crash only to be squashed moments later.

In the Spaihts script and the animatics it is Watts AND Vickers who take escape pods.
And since Shaw still is on the ground in the movie suddenly the main motivation for whole escape-pod thing is gone,
but I guess Ridley still wanted to have it in the movie like it was planned and budgeted.

One of many points that should have gotten straightened prior to production, but like Ridley said, they had to move on.

I am almost sure that they know very well that this movie is far from perfect,
but if they had done it otherwise there probably would be no movie to talk about. *cough*rothman,etc*cough*

That's a good point! Thanks for clearing that up, LarsVader.

Quote from: LarsVader on Nov 25, 2012, 02:16:58 PMIn the Spaihts script and the animatics it is Watts AND Vickers who take escape pods.

No. In the Spaiths script, Vickers is killed by Mutant Fifield after she goes to the pyramid attempting to stop David.

Yep. It was the Lindelof script that had Vickers and Shaw escape pod outta the Prometheus.

Sorry, my bad. 
Too much script reading. :D

Finally got around to reading this and I really enjoyed it. For me this was the movie they should've made. I don't know why Ridley felt he couldn't make the aliens scary again? There was some well written suspense scenes. The Holloway alien was really cool being that it was boneless and white skinned. Sure there were some problems with the script but overall I think this movie would've been more entertaining. I like Prometheus overall but there just wasn't enough horror for me. I watched it again recently and enjoyed it but I can't watch it all the time like I can some of the other films. But personally, I wanted aliens and facehuggers and a standard Alien Prequel.

Quote from: bishoop on Nov 25, 2012, 02:38:54 PM

-the crashed juggernaut was supposed to be the Dereclict from Alien right? So how would the Space Jockey look so anicent/fossilised? (unless the suit was already aged - it isn't described though)

-someone already mentioned this but - seems abit much that all the pyramids were undiscovered by the Aliens era

Maybe its part of the space jockeys alien body. It fossilises after death hardening it to the suit in a few years instead of hundreds. Also as for the pyramids I thought/assumed the derelict landed on it destroying the scarab creatures and stuff inside.

QuoteAnd since Shaw still is on the ground in the movie suddenly the main motivation for whole escape-pod thing is gone,

Why is the motivation gone?

Quote from: SM on Mar 18, 2013, 10:37:56 AM

QuoteAnd since Shaw still is on the ground in the movie suddenly the main motivation for whole escape-pod thing is gone,

Why is the motivation gone?

I suspected that the initial reason for the escape pod scene was to get the main character (Shaw/Watts) back to the planets surface.

Oh, right.

James Cameron should direct the Spaihts script while we waiting for P2:

Naomi Watts - Shaw (Watts)

Val Kilmer - Holloway

Max Von Sydow - Weyland

Cillian Murphy - David

Angelina Jolie - Vickers

Stephen Lang - Janek

Quote from: bishoop on Mar 18, 2013, 09:37:41 PM
Val Kilmer - Holloway

Cillian Murphy - David

Angelina Jolie - Vickers

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

wasnt angelina one of the contenders for the vickers role?

Max von Sydow was Ridley's choice for Weyland before deciding to have a scene with the younger weyland...  :P

Quote from: Blacklabel on Mar 19, 2013, 05:30:00 AM
wasnt angelina one of the contenders for the vickers role?

Was she? They chose correctly by not choosing her.

Quote from: Blacklabel on Mar 19, 2013, 05:30:00 AM
Max von Sydow was Ridley's choice for Weyland before deciding to have a scene with the younger weyland...  :P

I still think that would've been awesome, even though I think Pearce did a great job, even considering how redundant it seems without the yacht scene.

Quote from: Blacklabel on Mar 19, 2013, 05:30:00 AM
wasnt angelina one of the contenders for the vickers role?

im pretty sure she was although it appears to have been removed from imdb triva for some reason. it also states Theron was originally cast as Shaw but she had to drop out due to scheduling conflicts, then later was able to do the film but was cast as Vickers as by then Rapace had been cast as Shaw. so maybe originally it was intended to be Theron as Shaw and Jolie as Vickers? ???

if Theron had been Shaw i wonder if shed have dyed her hair dark to be more Ripley like (physically she similar to Weaver unlike the shorter Rapace )

QuoteMax von Sydow was Ridley's choice for Weyland before deciding to have a scene with the younger weyland...  :P

theres also a Ridleygram with 'Rutger' written on alongside a sketch of Weyland

Quote from: bishoop on Mar 19, 2013, 01:48:56 PM
theres also a Ridleygram with 'Rutger' written on alongside a sketch of Weyland

Got a picture?

Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 19, 2013, 01:56:35 PM

Quote from: bishoop on Mar 19, 2013, 01:48:56 PM
theres also a Ridleygram with 'Rutger' written on alongside a sketch of Weyland

Got a picture?

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=46756.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=46756.0)

Quote from: bishoop on Mar 19, 2013, 01:58:54 PM

Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 19, 2013, 01:56:35 PM

Quote from: bishoop on Mar 19, 2013, 01:48:56 PM
theres also a Ridleygram with 'Rutger' written on alongside a sketch of Weyland

Got a picture?

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=46756.0 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=46756.0)

Thank coo!

http://www.joblo.com/scripts/Alien-Engineers-ORIGINAL-PROMETHEUS-SCRIPT.pdf (http://www.joblo.com/scripts/Alien-Engineers-ORIGINAL-PROMETHEUS-SCRIPT.pdf)

Here's a fixed link for those interested.

While it wasn't perfect, I much prefer this script to what we got. The characters don't all come across as total f*cktards for one.

With a bit of tweaking I think it would've been a much better movie.

The plot made more sense IMHO.

As far as I'm concerned David (and I attribute that to Fassbender), the moving of the location and not tying it directly into Alien were the only things that Prometheus did right.

It was a better effort, I think. I think I might have to give it a re-read at some point soon.

Indeed Prometheus luck is Fassbender. He stealed the show completely.

Ps sorry for the double topic

Don't worry about it, pal. Was just pointing people to the larger thread. :)

I loved the script for Enginners. To me it was a superior script to what we saw on screen with Prometheus. However having not seen any of the deleted scenes for Prometheus i cant quite comment on Lindeofs version. To me though the film seemed slapdash and makes me feel there should have been a middle ground between Enginners and Prometheus

I'm rereading this now. I find it kind of funny that David just goes to town on the terraforming machine with a diamond tipped saw, presumably hoping and praying that it's not completely f**ked up and useless by the time it gets back to Weyland. :laugh:

The Spaihts Engineers script is the one in which Shaw's caesarian removes a creature that grows into a standard Xenomrph, right? Therefore presumably there is no squid monster (or whatever it's called) to kill the Engineer. What happens instead?

TC

Quote from: TC on May 29, 2020, 06:02:53 AM
The Spaihts Engineers script is the one in which Shaw's caesarian removes a creature that grows into a standard Xenomrph, right? Therefore presumably there is no squid monster (or whatever it's called) to kill the Engineer. What happens instead?

TC

The Engineer has a chestburster incubating inside him, and it bursts out right before the Magellan/Prometheus collides with the Juggernaut. Watts/Shaw then fights and kills the resulting Ultramorph with said diamond tipped chainsaw.