According to someone on Twitter, the Thomas Brothers attended a screening of Predator where they did a Q&A and mentioned they had wanted to do a World War 2 movie for Predator 2.
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QuoteI went to a great screening of Predator with a Q&A with writer Jim Thomas and producer Beau Marks. They told me great stuff, like how they originally wanted to do Predator 2 with Schwarzenegger or a WWII idea. One of the best experiences of my life.
https://twitter.com/WeylandYutani91/status/928546279176753153
QuoteLast Sunday. They came to my state, Arkansas, which I thought was huge because no one cool ever comes to Arkansas. But yeah, their idea was to have a Predator during the Battle of the Bulge and the Americans and Germans have to team up to fight the Predator.
https://twitter.com/WeylandYutani91/status/928563576532619264
I don't think I've heard that little tidbit before. Does it ring a bell with anyone?
Found a video of the Q&A. Not watched it through yet but I'm about to start.
The quality of writing has bottomed out since they left. P2 had plenty of issues, but it's actually a very solid script when you read it.
Cool idea, i like it. But i have trouble with Arnold's presence since he is in the first movie...
I don't think the idea was to have Arnold in WWII
Quote from: SiL on Nov 09, 2017, 08:32:25 PM
I don't think the idea was to have Arnold in WWII
My bad, i didn't read properly, i missed the "or" :laugh:
Good find. That's new information. We don't really hear much from those two.
I did suggest a ww2 piece in my possibe locations for Shane Black's movie. I wouldn't have had Americans and Nazis teaming up though.
Thanks, is good to hear from them since i would really want them to continue the saga. P2 script is as good as P1 but the problem is that the direction is way weaker :(
Predator in WWII? Sounds like Zone Troopers!!!
Great to hear more about a couple of the possible Predator 2's. Would have been intriguing to have the second one pick up straight after in a sense
Predator's only hunt during heatwave's, so the WW2 idea makes no sense.
They weren't supposed to be in Antarctica either but they still found a way to make it work.
Quote from: My name is Jeff on Nov 10, 2017, 03:22:19 PM
Predator's only hunt during heatwave's, so the WW2 idea makes no sense.
The Pacific Theater fits perfectly for the Predators preferred hunting climate. The African theater probably would work as well.
I'd honestly throw money at a Predator Anthology movie (like VHS or Creepshow) with different stories from different era's featuring Predators.
They should've done it. That's the only sequel that should've happened.
The series has been off track completely. I've said it a thousand times. You don't kill a Predator and they just ignore that particular "prey". Revenge is the most sought after desire amongst those hard wired for the hunt.
But let's pretend like Predator never happened.
Quote from: My name is Jeff on Nov 10, 2017, 03:22:19 PM
Predator's only hunt during heatwave's, so the WW2 idea makes no sense.
Quote from: Darkness on Nov 10, 2017, 03:48:05 PM
They weren't supposed to be in Antarctica either but they still found a way to make it work.
I still don't have an issue with that. They may prefer it hot but there's nothing to say they wouldn't challenge themselves a little with going to a climate outside their comfort zone. Makes perfect sense to me.
WW2, particularly Battle of the Bulge, sounds more interesting than L.A., I mean how many movies are set in L.A.? Only problem would be historical inaccuracy and german stereotypes, probably.
P2 was perfect sequel, shame we didn't get it's continuation in 90'.
I love how even the throw away ideas from the Thomas brothers are better than anything we got (and probably, will get) from the franchise since P2
I still disagree with the dislike Predators get. The hunting preserve concept was fantastic. I would have made it be only a single Berserker Predator rather than 3 and had more prominence from E-T prey but I still loved it.
Concept is solid but the execution made it dull as hell.
I disagree with that too. I didn't think it was dull at all. I've rewatched Predators so many times. Far more so than I ever did Prometheus or AvP2.
I definitely feel that predators is underrated. It's a decent film with a cool concept! I do feel however that the super predators were a little underwhelming. They didn't seem so "super" to me. I felt the original predator from P1 or P2 was far more formidable.
Yeah. That's why I felt they should have just had the one Berserker Predator who went through and came out of everything- the claymore and the sword fight.
It would be fascinating to see Predator Prequels set during various wars across the world through out history, such as Ancient Asia Predators against samurai. Medieval times I.E. Predator Dark Ages Westerns World War 2. Or even the location the original Predator of Val Verd/Guatemala Central America establishing the mysterious legends of "el demonio que hace trofeos de los hombres" "the demon who makes trophies of men" as told to us by Anna in the original Predator.
Also hoping that the newest film The Predator paves the way for future Predator movies just as long as quality is retained, Alien and Predator are often described as B-Movies being delivered with A-Movie treatment.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 12, 2017, 01:08:29 PM
I still disagree with the dislike Predators get. The hunting preserve concept was fantastic. I would have made it be only a single Berserker Predator rather than 3 and had more prominence from E-T prey but I still loved it.
I thought it had some good ideas but others ideas and the execution were bad, it was like a both remake and sequel that we get now so often but more dumb, i did not liked the drones, or alien dogs, the predators looked weird, like they had a head too big, and some other stuff, the casting was good though
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 12, 2017, 04:46:31 PM
I disagree with that too. I didn't think it was dull at all. I've rewatched Predators so many times. Far more so than I ever did Prometheus or AvP2.
I mean the game preserve, not whole movie. There are no alien wildlife, plants etc. I liked the drilling site and this rocky formation where Isabelle did the trick with magnetic needle.
It definitely needed more in the way of other creatures, for sure. While I do enjoy the film, it was such a shame that it was made so quickly and on the cheap. I would have loved to have seen it gotten more to flesh out and iron out the film some more.
I love the first two movies, and like Predators, but when i watch the movie i always think about the wasted opportunities. The main problem i have with this movie is how small and unimaginative it really feels. You're in an Alien jungle with dozens of creatures and prey from other worlds, yet, they do nothing with it. The jungle looks and feels like earth, there's one other creature in the movie for five minutes, the characters aren't terribly interesting. I actually love the stuff with Fishburne, giving some background on the whole thing, but it wasn't enough.
The concept was pretty interesting, but it really feels castrated for money reasons to the point that people say it's a pure rehash of the first movie and let's be honest, most of the homages just don't work, like Mombasa doing a Billy. The AvP's handled those much better.
It's still a fun movie and i revisit it from time to time, but it's a prime example of the case Shane Black is making at the moment, it was quickly assembled for a buck and there was no real creativity behind it.
that opening sequence from predator 1 would be awesome even with arnold not in it ...
It's a shame the Arnold concept wasn't realized. It would've been wonderful to read the script for that movie. Maybe have Arnold being stalked either in or on a military base, after he's been brought back for debriefing. It would give the movie a very "Aliens" feel. Creeping through vents and trashed corridors, guns out and afraid. Arnold slowly lowers himself from a vent and drops to the floor, then the classic predator roar is heard somewhere deep in the complex as it takes another trophy. They could even pan up from the predator standing in the ashes at the beginning, and gaze off into the distance where you see the helicopter flying away, indicating that there were other predators nearby all along, and they know where arnold is going.
I can't say the WW2 idea was worth exploring though. Having Allied troops seemingly "team up" with Nazi's would be in bad taste, and insulting to some. You'd have an entire group of characters whom the audience not only can't relate to, but they would most likely despise. Cannon fodder is necessary, but some folks just aren't likely to get along, and most likely wouldn't even under these circumstances.
Not to mention characters of that timeline would probably have a greater deal of difficulty fighting a predator. Troops in WW2 wouldn't have access to the kind of weaponry available to Dutch's group or the group from predators. The B.A.R. was a vicious tool, but it's not a portable minigun or an aa12. Along with the possibility that troops in that war may have had no clue about the concept of thermal imagery or tracking, and wouldn't be able to disguise themselves from the predator. Unless one of them fell in a snowdrift or became hypothermic to some degree, and was ignored by the predator.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 13, 2017, 09:21:27 AM
It definitely needed more in the way of other creatures, for sure. While I do enjoy the film, it was such a shame that it was made so quickly and on the cheap. I would have loved to have seen it gotten more to flesh out and iron out the film some more.
I liked it too, just wish Classic Predator would have won that fight at the end.
Before we see a WWII setting, I'd like to see a film based on the comic Predator: 1718 where the Elder receives his flintlock.
Classic Predator was pretty disappointing to me, it was 'classic' in name only.
Wolf is a better version (visually) of a 'Classic Predator'.
He'd been strung up for who knows how long. We don't know if he'd been fed or whatever. For a Pred in those conditions, he put up a great fight.
Quote from: Huggs on Nov 14, 2017, 05:22:45 PM
Not to mention characters of that timeline would probably have a greater deal of difficulty fighting a predator. Troops in WW2 wouldn't have access to the kind of weaponry available to Dutch's group or the group from predators. The B.A.R. was a vicious tool, but it's not a portable minigun or an aa12. Along with the possibility that troops in that war may have had no clue about the concept of thermal imagery or tracking, and wouldn't be able to disguise themselves from the predator. Unless one of them fell in a snowdrift or became hypothermic to some degree, and was ignored by the predator.
Well that's the thing - that minigun and that AA12 were not what ultimately defeated the Predator in those films so it's really a bit of a moot point, I think.
"Well that's the thing - that minigun and that AA12 were not what ultimately defeated the Predator in those films so it's really a bit of a moot point, I think. "
Point well taken Hicks. My thought was that in a straight up encounter, like the camp scene from Predators, aside from the B.A.R., the weaponry would be far less effective than what Arnold's or Brody's group were carrying, except for the sword and 9mm of course. Consequently, the ww2 troops would be at a disadvantage. But traditionally, it's more human ingenuity and determination that wins the day. Although, I would still find it hard to believe the soldiers of that era could identify and understand how they were being seen and tracked by the predator. Unless footprints or noise gave it away, which I don't expect a predator to allow. It's just my personal opinion, but a scenario in that timeframe would be an absolute one-sided slaughter in the Predator's favor. Granted, I've yet to read "If it bleeds". So if someone made it work in the book, pardon my lack of this knowledge.
The WW2 idea would have been great, and something that probably would have been done today (if predator was made in recent times..hollywood loves these "detatched sequels")...I think it would have been something different and not the usual predator film.
I still hope to see some sort of period setting for a future Predator film. I think it'd be really interesting and probably quite attractive to folk.