I sat down on the weekend and watched ALIENS/ALIEN3 and ALIEN Rez with a bunch of people, most of which hadn't seen anything after ALIEN and after they liked AVP, they wanted to see more Alien stuff.
Something came up I'd never actually thought of before.
The 6 or 7 rellies who'd never seen ALIEN3 or AlienRez were fully expecting that Alien3 and beyond would be featuring Newt as the main hero. After all it makes sense when you hit the end of ALIENS that the logical step would be turning Newt's character into the new 'Ripley' somewhere along the line.
Now I'm even more frustrated she was killed off, she could have run a very different course in the franchise! What dy'all think?
Newt was nothing more than a screaming substitute for Jones the Cat.
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Well maybe as a grown-up, she will be less annoying to you maledoro :D
If not Ripley, I would preffered Hicks as the hero :)
Quote from: Shaak on Jan 03, 2007, 06:17:33 PM
Well maybe as a grown-up, she will be less annoying to you maledoro :D
Yeah, but drowned little girls don't become grown-ups...
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Quote from: Shaak on Jan 03, 2007, 06:17:33 PM
If not Ripley, I would preffered Hicks as the hero :)
Everything that had Hicks in it read little more than
Aliens², where the focus was on the "gunz", "sploshunz" and "mareenz" and everything had to be "bigger" and "badder".
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Better that they died than to end up being recycled parodies of themselves.
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I agree. Newt as a main character would've been great!
She had more experience than Ripley when it came to the Aliens. I mean, she was all alone for so long among the aliens, without any guidance or help, and she survived!
Damn, now I feel worse too. >:(
Newt would've kicked butt when she grew up.
"My mommy said there where no monsters, no real ones, but there are."
Quote from: FACEBOX on Jan 03, 2007, 09:50:57 PM
I agree. Newt as a main character would've been great!
When she was shown ten years after
Aliens, she was pumped full of drugs and was about to undergo a lobotomy until Hicks showed up and rescued her. Then, she developed a fetish for toasters. She didn't have the potential then, she wouldn't later on.
Quote from: FACEBOX on Jan 03, 2007, 09:50:57 PM
She had more experience than Ripley when it came to the Aliens. I mean, she was all alone for so long among the aliens, without any guidance or help, and she survived!
Not really. All she did was hide. At least Ripley was gathering info about the alien when she was on the
Nostromo. Not to mention that Newt would have either been caught by the aliens or starved to death if it wasn't for Ripley. The only advice that Newt could give Ripley and the marines were that the aliens mostly come at night and which tunnels to take for escape. Ripley had a better understanding of the aliens.
Quote from: FACEBOX on Jan 03, 2007, 09:50:57 PM
Newt would've kicked butt when she grew up.
Anybody who was traumatized as badly as she and Ripley were would be smart enough to leave the aliens alone. Nobody in any of the movies were killing the aliens for revenge or fun; they did it as a last resort in order to survive.
True, that was just a point raised I'd never thought of. She would have had the same sort of motivation to 'go after' Aliens as Ripley had in ALIENS - to get it out of her system, mainly pshycologically.
It still would have been nice to see a NEW hero in the Alien franchise. I've seen a few Alien5 fan posters here and there and one had Arnold in it. Pure fanboy fantasy of course.
By the way, maybe I should post this bit in an AVP area, but having watched AVP recently I think the woman with the white hair, who you see a chest burster come out of, would have been a really cool alternative to Lex as the hero. She even has a shot where she turns to the camera (when she asks 'what did you say this chamber was called?') in a mirror image of the exact same shot of Arnold in Predator. People more familiar with Predator probably picked that out too. If not I'll try to remember exactly where Arnold does it, I think its with his conversation with Billy.
Quote from: Predator Schwarzenegger on Jan 03, 2007, 10:59:33 PM
True, that was just a point raised I'd never thought of. She would have had the same sort of motivation to 'go after' Aliens as Ripley had in ALIENS - to get it out of her system, mainly pshycologically.
You've misread my post. Neither Ripley or Newt would want to get involved with the aliens again. And I'm sure that Hicks wouldn't, either.
If you had survived a bear attack, I doubt if you would go back into the woods for payback; especially if you didn't know where the bear from the last attack had come from, or if there were other bears.
Again, any smart person would know well enough to leave them alone.
...drules.... Duh... wha?
LOL ;)
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 03, 2007, 10:08:34 PM
I agree. Newt as a main character would've been great!
When she was shown ten years after
Aliens, she was pumped full of drugs and was about to undergo a lobotomy until Hicks showed up and rescued her. Then, she developed a fetish for toasters. She didn't have the potential then, she wouldn't later on.
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Lol bless Billie and Wilks. ;D
I would have enjoyed seeing the characters develope as a group.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2007, 11:08:50 PM
I would have enjoyed seeing the characters develope as a group.
Well, two of them died together. That's gotta count for something, right?
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Quote from: maledoro on Jan 05, 2007, 12:00:23 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2007, 11:08:50 PM
I would have enjoyed seeing the characters develope as a group.
Well, two of them died together. That's gotta count for something, right?
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brilliant mate! i love your smilies!!! ;D ;D :D
Thankies!
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Quote from: maledoro on Jan 05, 2007, 12:00:23 AM
Hicks-http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/maledoro/Angry%20Smilies/corkysm59.gif
That was SO cruel and funny at the same time.
Quote from: Shaak on Jan 05, 2007, 02:59:10 AM
Quote from: maledoro on Jan 05, 2007, 12:00:23 AM
Hicks-http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/maledoro/Angry%20Smilies/corkysm59.gif
That was SO cruel and funny at the same time.
Events which appear gross or offensive in the instant may become, with a slight change of perspective, somewhere between droll and riotously funny.
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You know, I wouldn't mind if an alternate universe sequel to Aliens was shot...
Quote from: Alienseseses on Jan 06, 2007, 11:35:08 PM
You know, I wouldn't mind if an alternate universe sequel to Aliens was shot...
The old Head-in-the-Sand approach?
Alien³ didn't happen? I hope that you're not serious...
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Quote from: maledoro on Jan 06, 2007, 11:44:42 PM
Quote from: Alienseseses on Jan 06, 2007, 11:35:08 PM
You know, I wouldn't mind if an alternate universe sequel to Aliens was shot...
The old Head-in-the-Sand approach? Alien³ didn't happen? I hope that you're not serious...
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Why not? For example, I'm a big 007 fan, but there are some 007 films I glady feel the same way about. I acknowledge its existence, but its easy to ignore it. Still, the effects of the film (character deaths, etc), however limited, I agree should not be dismissed.
Quote from: Predator Schwarzenegger on Jan 08, 2007, 11:44:06 PM
Why not? For example, I'm a big 007 fan, but there are some 007 films I glady feel the same way about. I acknowledge its existence, but its easy to ignore it. Still, the effects of the film (character deaths, etc), however limited, I agree should not be dismissed.
Great. Let's go back and bring Bambi's mom back from the grave while were at it.
Wouldn't you be miffed if you worked your butt off to make a movie and not only had to hear that the fans of the franchise are bawling over your decisions but that they're calling for another movie that disregards it?
Not only that, but as a film-goer, you don't feel the least bit cheated that a writer came to a screeching halt because he didn't know how to follow up on the last movie and had to resort to a gimmick in order to get you back to the theater? That is just pure laziness on his part.
Wasn't the original idea for Alien: Res to clone Newt instead of Ripley? I don't know the logic behind that, other than Joss Whedon likes to write teen heroins lol.
I think it was clear Whedon writes softer stories than Alien. I don't know why he was chosen.
In the comic books Newt never died, she grew up and became a Sarah Conner like figure; locked away in a mental institution where no one believed her until it was too late. Hicks busted here out and she got to play a major role in saving the universe even battling aliens in zero-g!
Until they changed her name to Billie.
Yah, they pulled a 1984 on us, destroying the artist's vision, rewriting history. It was a regular Jr. Mini-True, Big Brother would be proud.