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I expect that everyone has seen the recent articles going around online which recounts Sigourney Weaver’s comments from the London Film and Comic Con this weekend gone. In it she remarks that the Alien vs. Predator films depressed her and that the reason she wanted Ripley to die in Alien 3 was due to finding out Fox was interested in the idea.

Bloody Disgusting got in touch with Peter Briggs, the writer who first took pen to Amstrad to adapt the concept made popular by the Dark Horse comic series to screenplay. His response is quite lengthy and talks about the timelines of development between Alien 3 and the original Alien vs. Predator script:

“Larry Gordon would later tell me "Alien vs Predator" had only been discussed for the first time at Fox literally days before Steve gave him the script in September 1991, which is why I was in the right place at the right time to make my first sale. Maybe they were in a panic about "Alien 3"...I have no idea. And so when I hear Sigourney Weaver recounting her killing off Ripley in "Alien 3" because she'd heard Fox were talking about doing "Alien vs Predator", despite the fact our project was first spoken about and initiated well over a year (not even counting Vincent Ward's involvement!) after her movie had gone into active production, I really have to roll my eyes at her claims.”

Sigourney Weaver also remarked that Ridley Scott had dropped his involvement due to the interest in an Alien vs. Predator film which also didn’t add up. This was something that was brought up in relation to a potential Alien 5 by Ridley. You can read more about that on AvP Galaxy staff member Valaquen’s blog Strange Shapes.

Be sure to head on over to Bloody Disgusting to give Peter Briggs’ response in its entirety.

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Would like to read his unused script for AvP, or at least see it turned into a Dark Horse mini-series.

Kind of surprised this was at all reported on, since getting wires crossed recounting history spoken between third parties from more than 20 years ago isn't a big issue.

Hate in the 'Alien' and 'AVP' community at the moment.

If Sigourney was in fact just trying to go along with fans by bending truth, that's really not good.

His first draft has been available online for sometime - http://www.horrorlair.com/scripts/aliens_vs_predator.html

It's about fixing miscommunication. Weaver's recent comments were widely reported (despite her opinions also being really old news) but her recounting of that time was very wrong. It's always good to try and correct misinformation.

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Quote from: CelticPred97 on Jul 22, 2015, 10:48:55 PM
Hate in the 'Alien' and 'AVP' community at the moment.

If Sigourney was in fact just trying to go along with fans by bending truth, that's really not good.

I doubt it's anything being done maliciously. It's like I said when this first cropped up - she's misremembering.

Some interesting new revelations in that interview. Especially about the set visit and talking with the ADI people, back then.

Having tracked the development of Briggs' unmade project for quite a while, I share his frustrations with Weaver's repeated dismissive attitude to it, over the many years.

Good to see him able to set the record straight about this!

Had also forgotten that the never-seen second draft is still, technically, Fox's bought-and-paid-for property. Technically, there isn't anything stopping them from just filming it, if they ever want to.

I think Sigourney Weaver generally wanted to be killed off because as she said the formula of her being the only survivor and no one would listen to her was starting to get a little worn out.

The only time I saw Sigourney mention her disinterest on Alien VS. Predator was on a behind the scenes interview of Alien Resurrection and she mentions she was killed off in Alien 3 was partly because of the repetition but also because of the rumors of Fox making AVP.

Clip here, star at 3:33 – 4:22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncAhHeUSdsU&list=PL20F0F6185A9A2FAA

Whilst she was interested to return if either Scott or Cameron were directing. And they were both intending to work together with her on a fifth Alien during the early 2000's. However Paul W.S. Anderson's Alien VS. Predator pitch killed that project.

As we all know Ridley Scott would return to give us Prometheus.  I guess Sigourney and some Aliens sans cannot take the concept of a cross over seriously believing it undermines the integrity of the original films. Examples such as Frankenstine Meets the Wolfman, King Kong VS. Godzilla and other Toho Kaiju VS. movies, Freddy VS. Jason while entertaining to some weren't the most well critically received. 

I guess some would see it as a desperate attempt at taking franchises that have run out of steam and mixing them together to milk the last few bucks out of these cash cows. Cross overs/ co-existing movie universes can be genuinely good and expand upon a movies mythos.

Quite a bit of her commentary on the films seems like her being bitter over not being chosen to continue with a franchise she's already four movies into.  AVP was still a better mover than Resurrection - a movie so bad that even Ron Pearlman couldn't save it.

http://alienexplorations.blogspot.co.uk/2004/04/avp-peter-briggs-vs-paul-anderson.html

Another related article from Alien Explorations.

Briggs' script had a few confusing plot holes that probably could've been cleared up in later drafts. I'd love to read his second stab at it.

Me too. It's the one script I'm absolutely dying to read. It's unfortunate Briggs lost it.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 23, 2015, 08:04:57 AMIt's unfortunate Briggs lost it.

Did he? From what I just read in that email of his it sounded it was his first draft that he lost, and had to steal it back off the internet when it was uploaded years later.

I think his second is still in Fox's hands.

He lost his computer which had all his drafts on. He was only able to get the first draft back. I spoke to him many many years ago about it all.

Ah OK, I get it. Too bad.

He does have a point AVP has so much potential just you have to put it in the right direction.

No one will put up the bucks to give AVP any form of justification it deserves. It has potential to be one of the greatest action/horror sci-fi epics of all time, but no one will dare take the risk, especially after the horrendous efforts of the first two films. It needs the Giger Alien, the Winston Predator and someone with a vision more expansive than relegating these two icons to having a drunken fight akin to two piss heads outside a pub which is what Paul Anderson did.

I think this whole Peter Briggs thing is just a storm in a teacup. You cannot expect Sigourney Weaver to accurately recount exact events that went down nearly 25 years ago and Briggs seems to take any opportunity to weigh in on any AVP debate in an attempt to stay relevant.

Quote from: TheBATMAN on Jul 23, 2015, 10:11:11 PM
No one will put up the bucks to give AVP any form of justification it deserves. It has potential to be one of the greatest action/horror sci-fi epics of all time, but no one will dare take the risk, especially after the horrendous efforts of the first two films. It needs the Giger Alien, the Winston Predator and someone with a vision more expansive than relegating these two icons to having a drunken fight akin to two piss heads outside a pub which is what Paul Anderson did.

I think this whole Peter Briggs thing is just a storm in a teacup. You cannot expect Sigourney Weaver to accurately recount exact events that went down nearly 25 years ago and Briggs seems to take any opportunity to weigh in on any AVP debate in an attempt to stay relevant.

But the movies had a financial success AVP on its own got more money then A/P combined and FOX still continues the AVP games and  David Woodruff said""I haven't heard anything about a 3rd installment, not even rumors. This Neill Blomkamp project is the first possibility I've seen or heard of of another Alien film and I'm all about it. I know the guys at Amalgamated Dynamics are pushing for something like this too. It's time."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_vs._Predator:_Requiem Maybe in the near future we might see an AVP3(in space with marines!)

A reboot maybe but the current avps do not deserve to be continued or even remembered. Prometheus was already a soft retcon. A true reboot is the only option. It all depends on blommy now

Well the first thing is to not let ADI anywhere near such a project.

AVP might have made money but let's face it, it was beyond awful and is pretty much universally despised barring a small cult following. It wasn't successful enough for someone to take a chance with a big-budget reboot is what I'm saying. Doing an AVP3 with a modest budget just screams cop-out, with Fox looking to make money on the franchise license alone rather than any hope of actually making a decent film. It will only attract sub-par actors and a director whose track record isn't exactly great.

Think of the money and the hype that is being poured into the likes of Batman vs. Superman. That will never happen with AVP now, but had Predator 2, Alien 3 and Resurrection been highly successful it might have done at one point.

Prometheus got the backing because Ridley Scott returned. Would Fox had given it so much if Alec Gillis was directing off a Peter Briggs script I wonder?

Alien 5 is likely getting big treatment because it can be connected to Prometheus and because Sigourney Weaver has been attracted back by Blomkamp's vision. It will also do Prometheus 2 and Scott a favour if he wants to move further away from the xenomorph as Blomkamp's film is there to take care of that fix.

I think AVP as a cinematic franchise is dead in the water.

 

Quote from: TheBATMAN on Jul 23, 2015, 11:52:08 PMWell the first thing is to not let ADI anywhere near such a project.

People keep laying the blame on them and I think it's really unfair.

At the end of the day, they produced the effects the director told them/paid them to do.

Indeed. The reasons the Aliens look like they do was because they were just asked to reuse the moulds from the last film where those designs made complete contextual sense.

I think you give them far too much credit. If you watch the making-of docs most of the design ideas are their own. The director might ask for a certain look or colour scheme and to tweak small individual features, but the bulk of the alien designs are ADI's own and they're awful. Gillis has even said they purposefully make changes to put their own spin on the creature. Alien 3 looked okay. But Resurrection was horrible, and that was not using re-used moulds. The necks of the creatures in that one are just one big congealed mess which were eventually fixed in AVP Requiem and still looked poor.

And look what they did to the Predator. Granted Anderson wanted them bulkier and with more armour, but ADI did the faces and of course decided that Scar needed to be more heroic and look how that turned out. I won't even go into the rubber dreadlocks and plastic wrist blades.

I've seen their work on other projects and it's fine, but they cannot do justice to the Alien and they have had enough attempts at trying now. People defend them seemingly because there's nothing else to compare them to when it comes to Alien, minus Giger. It's time someone else was given a chance.

Quote from: TheBATMAN on Jul 24, 2015, 09:40:47 AM
I think you give them far too much credit. If you watch the making-of docs most of the design ideas are their own. The director might ask for a certain look or colour scheme and to tweak small individual features, but the bulk of the alien designs are ADI's own and they're awful. Gillis has even said they purposefully make changes to put their own spin on the creature. Alien 3 looked okay. But Resurrection was horrible, and that was not using re-used moulds. The necks of the creatures in that one are just one big congealed mess which were eventually fixed in AVP Requiem and still looked poor.

And look what they did to the Predator. Granted Anderson wanted them bulkier and with more armour, but ADI did the faces and of course decided that Scar needed to be more heroic and look how that turned out. I won't even go into the rubber dreadlocks and plastic wrist blades.

I've seen their work on other projects and it's fine, but they cannot do justice to the Alien and they have had enough attempts at trying now. People defend them seemingly because there's nothing else to compare them to when it comes to Alien, minus Giger. It's time someone else was given a chance.

I think they just need a good director i mean seriously Anderson MORTAL COMBAT RESIDENT EVIL!!!!!!! >:( >:(even Anderson wanted them to look heroic for the younger audience for the PG-13 rating

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jul 22, 2015, 11:27:10 PM
I think Sigourney Weaver generally wanted to be killed off because as she said the formula of her being the only survivor and no one would listen to her was starting to get a little worn out.

The only time I saw Sigourney mention her disinterest on Alien VS. Predator was on a behind the scenes interview of Alien Resurrection and she mentions she was killed off in Alien 3 was partly because of the repetition but also because of the rumors of Fox making AVP.

Clip here, star at 3:33 – 4:22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncAhHeUSdsU&list=PL20F0F6185A9A2FAA

Thanks for linking that video, I've just added the information to http://alienexplorations.blogspot.co.uk/2004/07/sigourney-weaver-vs-alien-vs-predator.html

Anderson would've been a great choice if he's had been in 'Event Horizon' mode.

As for ADI, look at their work for the prequel to 'The Thing'. They did some breath-taking Lovecraftian stuff for that. Most of it got swamped over with bad CGI (when the plan was for it to merely augment the transformation process). When they're given the right direction and budget, they can work visual miracles.



And then there's this:



We know that Blomkamp and Scott have both worked with Weta, which means they'll probably be somehow involved, too.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 24, 2015, 02:24:41 PMAs for ADI, look at their work for the prequel to 'The Thing'. They did some breath-taking Lovecraftian stuff for that. Most of it got swamped over with bad CGI (when the plan was for it to merely augment the transformation process). When they're given the right direction and budget, they can work visual miracles.

The Thing 2011 was such a tragedy. ADI did spectacular work and then the director just took a dump all over it.

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jul 22, 2015, 11:27:10 PM

Whilst she was interested to return if either Scott or Cameron were directing. And they were both intending to work together with her on a fifth Alien during the early 2000's. However Paul W.S. Anderson's Alien VS. Predator pitch killed that project.

Hmm, in 2004 as far as Ridley was concerned, another Alien movie would have depended on the success of AVP, according to his interview with Famitsu Wave.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 24, 2015, 02:27:52 PM
The Thing 2011 was such a tragedy. ADI did spectacular work and then the director just took a dump all over it.

Yes, but ask yourself why. Why would the director suddenly remove more or less completed practical effects and be forced to waste a chunk of his very meagre budget to replace it all with unconvincing CGI if the work ADI did was indeed 'spectacular?' Seeing behind the scenes videos is one thing, but the finished item is much different.

I was as pissed about that design decision as anyone, especially with a creature as iconic as The Thing, but there had to be some motivation behind it.

I just think that if another effects company were given the chance to create the Alien, I believe it will result in a more memorable incarnation of the creature. In fact they would do well to make it look worse. I may be coming across as harsh, but that's my honest opinion.

Blomkamp shares a hands-on design philosophy in common with Cameron. He'd be a lot more involved in the design process than most and clearly has an appreciation for the biomechanical aesthetic.

It wouldn't be a case of just getting a team in and going, "Hey, make us an Alien." Especially given how realistic the creature work and - most importantly - motion was in the 'District 9' stuff.

I wonder what kind of AVP script Briggs would turn in now if given the chance to rewrite it.

Quote from: Kelgaard on Jul 24, 2015, 06:31:15 PM
I wonder what kind of AVP script Briggs would turn in now if given the chance to rewrite it.

He should direct it like he always wanted to.

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Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jul 22, 2015, 11:27:10 PM

Whilst she was interested to return if either Scott or Cameron were directing. And they were both intending to work together with her on a fifth Alien during the early 2000's. However Paul W.S. Anderson's Alien VS. Predator pitch killed that project.

Hmm, in 2004 as far as Ridley was concerned, another Alien movie would have depended on the success of AVP, according to his interview with Famitsu Wave.

Ridley Scott seemed hesitant to give an opinion on the film itself. When asked about it he responded that he wanted to be careful with what he says because he has a good relationship with Fox.





While James Cameron was the main factor as to why the Alien project he was going to work on with Scott never happened. He said  "To me, that was Frankenstein Meets Werewolf. It was Universal just taking their assets and starting to play them off against each other...Milking it."


While asked about it he said they've really screwed up the franchise.



However upon seeing the film he admitted to enjoying it. "it was actually pretty good. I think of the five Alien films, I'd rate it third. I actually liked it. I actually liked it a lot."

Quote from: Kelgaard on Jul 24, 2015, 06:31:15 PM
I wonder what kind of AVP script Briggs would turn in now if given the chance to rewrite it.

We'll find out when 'Panzer 88' gets released.

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jul 24, 2015, 07:26:06 PM
Ridley Scott seemed hesitant to give an opinion on the film itself.

He's admitted he's never actually seen it. I've said before I'd love to see his face if he does, considering how he's panned it, only for several elements to have featured in 'Prometheus'.

After Weaver's additional comments, I'm beginning to suspect she's the one who might have influenced his view on the concept.

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jul 24, 2015, 07:26:06 PM

Quote from: wmmvrrvrrmm on Jul 24, 2015, 02:33:07 PM

Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on Jul 22, 2015, 11:27:10 PM

Whilst she was interested to return if either Scott or Cameron were directing. And they were both intending to work together with her on a fifth Alien during the early 2000's. However Paul W.S. Anderson's Alien VS. Predator pitch killed that project.

Hmm, in 2004 as far as Ridley was concerned, another Alien movie would have depended on the success of AVP, according to his interview with Famitsu Wave.

Ridley Scott seemed hesitant to give an opinion on the film itself. When asked about it he responded that he wanted to be careful with what he says because he has a good relationship with Fox.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TQLRMIGA2I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfvAYkXgrU

While James Cameron was the main factor as to why the Alien project he was going to work on with Scott never happened. He said  "To me, that was Frankenstein Meets Werewolf. It was Universal just taking their assets and starting to play them off against each other...Milking it."


While asked about it he said they've really screwed up the franchise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnS7CGWNmU

However upon seeing the film he admitted to enjoying it. "it was actually pretty good. I think of the five Alien films, I'd rate it third. I actually liked it. I actually liked it a lot."

It is really confusing maybe james cameron changes his mindno offense people should really get over it i mean AVP is like a decade old

QuoteHe's admitted he's never actually seen it. I've said before I'd love to see his face if he does, considering how he's panned it, only for several elements to have featured in 'Prometheus'.

I suspect he just doesn't want to admit he's watched it, or is deliberately avoiding it, to excuse the similarities.

Lindelof had to point out to him, during the writing process, that the first of the AVP films had already featured Weyland on screen. He apparently seemed quite oblivious and didn't care about it.

Why does it matter so much what Weaver, Scott and Cameron think of AVP?

And Weaver wanting to kill off Ripley to stop the AVP movie from happening? Holy f**k, did she think that would truly prevent an encounter between Aliens and Predators from being plausible? Maybe she did think that Ripley killed the whole species in A3. Or that "Alien" actually refer to Ripley as much as the Alien itself.

Weaver's a great actress, and Scott and Cameron are great filmmakers. But that doesn't mean their opinions are fact.

who cares as the avp movies were garbage anyway.the films had potential but the idea of predators creating the xenomorph was dumb at best.the idea from ridley scott in Prometheus is much better more sinister and makes better sense

None of the films, comics or novelisations ever implied the Predators created the Alien. Where did you get that impression from?

I think Briggs is being a little critical of Sigourney's words here, given that she's working off of 20+ year old memories here. Hell, I can barely get the order of shit I did last week correct. That being said, I've never cared for the smug dismissal she's always expressed towards the mere concept of AVP. And Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man is awesome, so she can piss right off with that analogy.

Quote from: KiramidHead on Jul 25, 2015, 09:41:29 PM
I think Briggs is being a little critical of Sigourney's words here, given that she's working off of 20+ year old memories here. Hell, I can barely get the order of shit I did last week correct. That being said, I've never cared for the smug dismissal she's always expressed towards the mere concept of AVP. And Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man is awesome, so she can piss right off with that analogy.

AVP is a decade old movie why don't people let go of the past just like Northern Ireland

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 25, 2015, 02:54:39 PMNone of the films, comics or novelisations ever implied the Predators created the Alien.

The 2010 AVP game suggested it, but in a scientist-theorising-about-possibilities-out-loud kind of way. Nothing more than that.

i think he mentioned opening scene in AVP2 in predators ´ craft  where facehuggers were in that glassed jars ..

All that means is that they've captured some facehuggers. Doesn't mean they've literally made them.

If they did, they would all still be in eggs. :)

Eh, who said what first. Alien vs. Predator is still a dumb idea.

Why? They're a great match for one another.

Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jul 28, 2015, 12:46:10 AM
Eh, who said what first. Alien vs. Predator is still a dumb idea.

Well the first film was made by a pretty terrible director who's gone on to become one of the biggest hacks in Hollywood. I think it screamed 'B-grade cash grab' to just about every former fan of both series. Even then, there are some parts in AvP that are surprisingly decent despite it being a huge failure overall. You can see how it could've worked.

The original comic, however, was and still is very excellent. If it was adapted directly to film by a competent hand and the subject matter treated with more respect, it would've been very good.

Iirc, the comics introduced the idea that the Predators spread the Alien across the universe via their hunting. Maybe that's what he was thinking of?

The concept is the only crossover I actually believe in. And it works in near enough every form of media other than film and that's because we've only see inept people try to do them on film and do them in the completely opposite way of the media that works.

I would rather watch AVP than Alien 3 or Resurrection. The less said about Requiem though the better!

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jul 28, 2015, 01:18:34 AM
Why? They're a great match for one another.

All about execution.

Quote from: TheBATMAN on Jul 24, 2015, 09:40:47 AM
I think you give them far too much credit. If you watch the making-of docs most of the design ideas are their own. The director might ask for a certain look or colour scheme and to tweak small individual features, but the bulk of the alien designs are ADI's own and they're awful. Gillis has even said they purposefully make changes to put their own spin on the creature. Alien 3 looked okay. But Resurrection was horrible, and that was not using re-used moulds. The necks of the creatures in that one are just one big congealed mess which were eventually fixed in AVP Requiem and still looked poor.

And look what they did to the Predator. Granted Anderson wanted them bulkier and with more armour, but ADI did the faces and of course decided that Scar needed to be more heroic and look how that turned out. I won't even go into the rubber dreadlocks and plastic wrist blades.

I've seen their work on other projects and it's fine, but they cannot do justice to the Alien and they have had enough attempts at trying now. People defend them seemingly because there's nothing else to compare them to when it comes to Alien, minus Giger. It's time someone else was given a chance.

Most of the design choices were Anderson's, believe it or not. The conceptual stage had a lot more tribal influences and unique looking designs.
The final design are fairly close to what was established in the comic anyway, but I personally prefer the designs in later comics that support the more individualistic designs that were indicated in P1 and P2.

That being said, the predators looking pretty much identical had probably to do with logistics and budget, as the ever increasing tight schedules and preptime do not allow for too much variation without spending time and money on it.

I hope Fox just holds of and perhaps reboot in a few years time, fitting it in new Alien and Predator movies while trying to copy Marvel's Cinematic Universe.

I am disappointed with Weaver's sentiments. Briggs' script isn't that bad after having a long look at it, however this is coming from a fan of the comics and most of the merits I give it is due to the homages to the comics.

Briggs' script is OK but it kinda falls apart by the end. You can tell it was a rush job. I wish we could get a hold of his second draft one day.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Aug 04, 2015, 09:15:16 AM
Briggs' script is OK but it kinda falls apart by the end. You can tell it was a rush job. I wish we could get a hold of his second draft one day.

lol. That seems to be a very ubiquitous trait in any AvP related plot. I always felt that Aliens vs Predator is a very strenuous concept to pull off.

Well, what I do remember from the interviews running right after the Alien 3 was released, the reasoning to let Ripley go, had nothing in common with AVP. I remember Weaver stating something like being influenced by bad mood (namely US entering the First Gulf War), plus many plans and rumours floating around about next alien movies. She simply put her money into the Alien 3, becoming one of the producers, in order to being able to influence the script, and hence let Ripley die.

The Alien vs Predator concept isn't bad. Fact the Comics and games prove it can work together. But they all have one thing in common. It's Sci-fi. Adding the elements onto modern day earth just turns it into a crap fest. The games and comics show it can work if the narrative and visual design remains Sci-fi. I'm still waiting for that AVP movie that is in the vain of Aliens but has the AVP narrative of the comics and games. It can be done to a good effect like seen in the games. But the movies have made it into a terrible concept.

http://youtu.be/QYHR8VhbpxU?t=6s

Setting the films on present-day Earth was probably the biggest fundamental mistake the movies made.

A modern-day setting could work, but it really has to look cinematic. The two efforts, so far, both have an unfortunate way of feeling like TV movies.

Quote from: Guts on Aug 06, 2015, 11:50:51 PM
The Alien vs Predator concept isn't bad. Fact the Comics and games prove it can work together. But they all have one thing in common. It's Sci-fi. Adding the elements onto modern day earth just turns it into a crap fest. The games and comics show it can work if the narrative and visual design remains Sci-fi. I'm still waiting for that AVP movie that is in the vain of Aliens but has the AVP narrative of the comics and games. It can be done to a good effect like seen in the games. But the movies have made it into a terrible concept.

http://youtu.be/QYHR8VhbpxU?t=6s

I didn't say it was bad, hell, most crossover concepts never struck me as bad. They just require a lot of strategic planning to make sure it delivers a good and long lasting impression. In the case of AvP it's just not practical yet. There's a difference between the expectations in the presentation of a comic, game or movie so this shouldn't be an excuse to conclude the theory. Besides, not all of the comics were good outside of artwork and not all of the games were good outside of their mechanics.

I wrote an expository essay about what are some things that make the AvP concept not ready for cinema (if I ever muster the courage to put it on here one day I will). But some of the points were relevant to this statement here:

QuoteI'm still waiting for that AVP movie that is in the vain of Aliens but has the AVP narrative of the comics and games.

You have two different contenders competing to win and you want to make the arena something only one of them are familiar with? I could just as easily say:
I'm still waiting for that AVP movie that is in the vain of Predator but has the AVP narrative of the comics and games.

But that wouldn't be fair to the potential of the film. This is a big reason why the two films were criticized; the feeling that the circumstances were going in the favor of only one of the monsters.

Regardless; my opinion on a new AvP title: Wait until we have enough resources from upcoming standalone titles so that we could develop a strong enough universe for these two creatures to fight it out on the big screen.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Aug 07, 2015, 11:24:44 AM
A modern-day setting could work, but it really has to look cinematic. The two efforts, so far, both have an unfortunate way of feeling like TV movies

Hell no AvP didn't look like a TV movie. Those sets alone gave it an incredible sense of scale. Of all the problems it had, feeling like a TV movie was not one of them.

Given all the tight schedules it had, AvP was incredibly competently made and it really showed how well-packed a budget can be if you know how to use it. Photography, effects, and sets were excellent.

...If they had polished the script as much as everything else, we'd have had a winner.

The production design of AvP was always impressive. I still think the story as ended up on screen was flawed from inception. As much as I credit Anderson with making the most of the Earth-bound setting (Antarctica was a great way to take it an isolated setting) it still didn't suit AvP.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 08, 2015, 11:32:28 AM
The production design of AvP was always impressive. I still think the story as ended up on screen was flawed from inception. As much as I credit Anderson with making the most of the Earth-bound setting (Antarctica was a great way to take it an isolated setting) it still didn't suit AvP.

No kidding! Although there is no affirmative information on whether Ripley's contact with the alien was the first between humanity and the xenomorphs it was (personally) assumed as the first. And another thing was that the predator only appears in hot climates. In AvP these were ignored or omitted for the setting.

I honestly enjoyed AvP, and it might be frowned upon but it was the film that solidified my fanaticism with the Alien and Predator franchises.

The one thing that upset me however was the origin stories. Hence why I firmly believe that before we see another AvP movie let's wait for the standalone titles to provide us more substance for the monsters through origins and characterizations before they enter a crossover so that they can come in established and without the need to be explained in the crossover film.

Also:

Spoiler

Have one actually win...

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Lack of tension and unconvincing predator suit work were my biggest problems with AVP.

I don't think origin stories are really necessary. There's some fun/interest in Aliens being bioengineered but even if that's a thing, you wouldn't really need something like that for the Predator. I think that a return to quality would be more preferential to me.

And they'll never let one win over the other.  :P

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 09, 2015, 05:02:28 PM
I don't think origin stories are really necessary. There's some fun/interest in Aliens being bioengineered but even if that's a thing, you wouldn't really need something like that for the Predator. I think that a return to quality would be more preferential to me.

And they'll never let one win over the other.  :P

I see your point. But how do you feel if they attempted to do an origin story in an AvP movie?

:laugh: I know, it might be devastating for the fans of the losing faction.

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Even though Predator would win :P

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I wouldn't want an origin story because I don't see the need for one.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 08:49:35 AM
I wouldn't want an origin story because I don't see the need for one.

I agree. But this leads me to ponder what would be suitable as a conflict for both the predator and the alien and how could it be presented in less than 30 minutes?  ???

Quote from: System Apollo on Aug 10, 2015, 09:02:30 AM

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2015, 08:49:35 AM
I wouldn't want an origin story because I don't see the need for one.

I agree. But this leads me to ponder what would be suitable as a conflict for both the predator and the alien and how could it be presented in less than 30 minutes?  ???

This is my origin story...A long time ago the Predators grew bored and restless with not haveing a prey who provided more of a challenge when hunted, so they set rules for the hunt to make it more challengeing but living and dying by the rules of the hunt didn't leave them satisfied, the hunt, their reason to live had lost it's former glory, the trophies have all lost their "shine". So they made contact with the space jockeys and "tasked" them to design the ultimate prey, a prey who really tested them as hunters and brought back their former days of glory as hunters, hunters who hunted the most dangerous prey the universe had to offer.