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In a new interview with Funhaus, Neill Blomkamp has spoken a little about his work on and what happened to his proposed Alien 5. While the interview is primarily about his recent work on the fantastic Oats Studios, the hosts can’t help but sneak in some questions about Blomkamp’s involvement with existing properties such as Halo and Alien.

Blomkamp doesn’t go into specifics about the story, but he does talk a little about how far he got into working on the alternate Alien 3 and re-emphasizes that the film started as a Ripley-less film that would turn into an alternate Alien 3 after talking to her on the set of Chappie.

“I basically worked on Alien for about…I met Sigourney on Chappie and I had a different idea for an Alien film I wanted to make. So I had this idea for a story set in the world of those two first films that was not a continuation of James Cameron’s. It was just in the world of it and it had a totally different character that was the lead character. Because my assumption was that Sigourney would just never make another one and I told her about it on Chappie and she was like “No, no, no! I actually would make another one because I felt like Ripley’s story didn’t end correctly.” I was like “oh, okay. That’s amazing!”

So I went back to Vancouver and while I was editing Chappie I started to think about what I would do with Sigourney as basically a sequel to James Cameron’s film. I spent about a year working on it with only Sigourney knowing and I hired one really awesome concept artist. We put together essentially a script and all the artwork and that’s what I went to 20th Century Fox with. They seemed really into it and Ridley came on as producer and then it just unraveled. “

Blomkamp does go on to talk a little about the film’s apparent cancellation. Again, he doesn’t go into specifics but seems to hint at it being due to Ridley’s involvement as producer.

“It’s very difficult to speak about on several levels because Ridley created Alien. It was something that inspired me deeply. I got into film because of it. Everything that happened with my script and with the way the film collapsed – it’s hard to talk about it without it seeming like I’m bashing him which is like one of my idols to get into film. It’s a super strange psychological place but films go down in Hollywood all the time. That’s just essentially, I think, what happened and it sucks for me…It’s not that it sucks for Sigourney, it’s not going to make any difference to her, but I think she really did like the story because it allowed Ripley to…it really felt like a cool third film.”

Last month, Blomkamp was asked about the current condition of the film where he re-affirmed that the film was unlikely to happen: “I think it's totally dead, yes. That would be an accurate assumption at this point.

It's sad. I spent a long time working on that, and I feel like it was really pretty awesome. But politically, the way it's gone now, and the way that it all is — it's just not going to live.”

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Quote...but I think she really did like the story because it allowed Ripley to...

To what? Sad that we won't get the answer to this. But I'm thinking along the lines of finish her character arc with justice.

why did Ridley bully Blomkamp out of Alien

Just say it Neil, Ridley is a jerk. 

I'd much rather have seen what Blomkamp would have done than the mediocrity tired old Ridley is chucking out. The Oats Studio stuff is ace, Rakka in particular since Sigourney is in that.

Real shame it's dead.

He should have stuck to his original idea and not turned it into Aliens 2.

Oh well, not really bothered that it wont happen.

First there's a script...

... then there never was a script...

... and now there's a script again...

Somebody's lying, and I'm betting it's Mr. Scott!

Defo same here I liked Alien 3.

Instead of a wild Aliens follow up we get David making out with himself and big grey men being exterminated. Sort of puts AVPR in a more modest spectrum.

Quote from: BR1XER on Jul 09, 2017, 05:08:15 PM

Quote...but I think she really did like the story because it allowed Ripley to...

To what? Sad that we won't get the answer to this. But I'm thinking along the lines of finish her character arc with justice.

Yeah, that sounds about right to me. Hopefully, if the film doesn't ever happen, he will at least reveal how it would have panned out...

Well, hopefully the script leaks... not because I want to podcast about it, no sir... :laugh:

I suspect what Ridley Scott really meant when he said there wasn't a script, was that there wasn't a script <he liked>. Keeping in mind the Robin Hood script fiasco, that wasn't necessarily a bad thing.

Personally I love District 9 and Elysium, but I think it was the low figures that Elysium and Chappie brought in that made Fox go with Ridley over Blomkamp. I bet if Chappie was a hit we would of got Blomkamp Aliens by now. I know Ridley has had some duds but Ridley has made enough hits to warrant another alien film that Fox would want to invest in. However I hope we get an Alien film from Blomkamp in the near future.

Blomkamp seems perfect to make an alien movie. Really hope this happens one way or another. Couldn't the script be reworked as a sequel to resurrection. There are 4 survivors of Aliens and 4 survivors of Resurrection. Just shuffle the characters around and we have a legitimate Alien 5. Would love to see a leaked script at the very least.

Hmm here it seems that Blomkamp says there was a script, wheras Ridley says there wasn't except a ten page outline and art work. Seems Ridley wanted all the attention and over ruled Blomkamp. And after all the years he's taken so long doing the Counselor, Exodus Gods and Kings which nobody cares about. The Martian however was a decent film.

Fox and Ridley took too long to fulfill doing another two installments for Prometheus leading into Alien. When enthusiasm returned for Neill Blomkamp's project Ridley Retroactive re-juxtaposed his Prometheus sequel into just another Alien rehash because Prometheus wasn't well embraced by the majority of Alien fans.

Alien Covenant received fare reviews from critics, and a polarizing response from fans with most being disappointed. And a so and such box office beneath their expectations. Now its not clear if Fox will over look this and make another Alien prequel Alien Awakening with Ridley. "I'd be fine with one more film that ties into how the Space jockey crashed his ship on LV-426" Or Fox will just cancel the prequel series and wait a couple of year before they'll either reboot the series all together or do a soft reboot sequel.

Would have been great...

...in 1988.

-Windebieste.

As much as Covenant was a disappointment. I still would rather have had a sequel to Prometheus than Blomkamps Alien movie.

Look unless your name is Steven Spielberg a major studio is always going to side with Ridley Scott. The man is s legend.

QuoteAlien Covenant received fare reviews from critics, and a polarizing response from fans with most being disappointed.

That would depend on how broad your definition of 'disappointment' is. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=57277.1320)

And 'fare'. (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/alien_covenant/)

Quote from: Richman678 on Jul 09, 2017, 11:27:47 PM

Look unless your name is Steven Spielberg a major studio is always going to side with Ridley Scott. The man is s legend.

Or Christopher Nolan.

"londez Posted about 7 hours ago

Just say it Neil, Ridley is a jerk."


Scott is a jerk? Stand back for a minute and think about how Blomkamp went about trying to get his film made while Scott was already busy doing his thing with the series. Trying to pitch a film through Instagram thinking online Aliens fanboys would make it work? He cynically used them all. Blomkamp was a complete bellend.

Carry on with the perfect imaginary Blomkamp masterpiece that exists in your own head. I mean there must be thousands of unmade Blomkamp Alien films sitting latently in empty eager skulls out there. Make up any shit you want, Blomkamp would have delivered no matter what.

Numpties

Hopefully we'll see Blomkamp's vision for a alien movie. I love District 9 and I watched Elysium last night. Very underrated movie.

Blomkamp either needs to put or shut up. This beating around the bush nonsense is just dividing the fanbase. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone write about how Blomkamp's Alien would have been so much better than Covenant. Wait...what? Based on what? Nostalgia filled concept art? Either leak the story or shut up. This is starting to sound like sour grapes.

Put up what?  He can't leak the script.

He's moved on with the Oats stuff, and people keep asking him about Alien and he wants to not look like an unprofessional hack.

Quote from: SM on Jul 09, 2017, 11:36:18 PM

QuoteAlien Covenant received fare reviews from critics, and a polarizing response from fans with most being disappointed.

That would depend on how broad your definition of 'disappointment' is. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=57277.1320)

And 'fare'. (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/alien_covenant/)

Touché

A percentage ofyoutube video of well known youtubers and many other lesser known youtubers expressed how the movie didn't deliver for them.
Taking to friends and other people on the matter most have not taken kindly to the film.

Unsure if the popular opinion public perception that this movies a dud, or maybe its reputation will improve in time like how Alien 3 developed a loyal fan following. Wonder if well once again get an Alien movie as universally love cause we haven't had a GREAT one since 1986.

Its unlikely that Blomkamp's fan service passion project have been GREAT, we'll never know. Much like with Terminator Genisys or Star Wars the Force Awakens "I'm aware of the divisive reputation of these movies amongst fans." a starring actor of the series make a returns as their beloved character, the chances for Sigourney to return as Ripley one last time to give her character a send off will never happen. Oh well.

Gene Siskel didn't like Aliens:

QuoteALIENS (Carnegie, Dearborn and outlying). Count me out of the fan club for this one. To me ``Aliens`` is one extremely violent, protracted attack on the senses, as surviving space explorer Sigourney Weaver again confronts the spiny, slithering creatures who killed her buddies in the original film,

``Alien.`` Toward the end, the film resorts to placing a young girl in jeopardy in a pathetic attempt to pander to who knows what audience. Some people have praised the technical excellence of ``Aliens.`` Well, the Eiffel Tower is technically impressive, but I wouldn`t want to watch it fall apart on people for two hours. R. (STAR)(STAR)

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-08-08/entertainment/8602270452_1_flicks-film-ditch

QuoteUnsure if the popular opinion public perception that this movies a dud,

If IMDB is any measure the average is 6.7/10, which is in the same ballpark as the critical response.

Quote from: newagescamartist on Jul 10, 2017, 01:43:26 AM
Blomkamp either needs to put or shut up. This beating around the bush nonsense is just dividing the fanbase. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone write about how Blomkamp's Alien would have been so much better than Covenant. Wait...what? Based on what? Nostalgia filled concept art? Either leak the story or shut up. This is starting to sound like sour grapes.

It's just a popular narrative. Blomkamp's Alien movie would've sucked, let's be honest. All his movies have basically been the same thing, some oppressed group rebelling against their oppressors + video game aesthetics. We see the same thing in his Oats projects. People didn't like the artistic albeit flawed movie that was Covenant and now they're pretending Apartheid with Xenos would've been teh best movie evurr!!

What?

Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 10, 2017, 02:40:14 AM

Quote from: newagescamartist on Jul 10, 2017, 01:43:26 AM
Blomkamp either needs to put or shut up. This beating around the bush nonsense is just dividing the fanbase. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone write about how Blomkamp's Alien would have been so much better than Covenant. Wait...what? Based on what? Nostalgia filled concept art? Either leak the story or shut up. This is starting to sound like sour grapes.

It's just a popular narrative. Blomkamp's Alien movie would've sucked, let's be honest. All his movies have basically been the same thing, some oppressed group rebelling against their oppressors + video game aesthetics. We see the same thing in his Oats projects. People didn't like the artistic albeit flawed movie that was Covenant and now they're pretending Apartheid with Xenos would've been teh best movie evurr!!

I agree.

His stupid social theories plus Aliens. Sounds beyond stupid.

sigh....................


someone stop Ridley, please Fox....

yaaay............................


keep up the great work Ridley, more please Fox....

-Windebieste

Quote from: windebieste on Jul 09, 2017, 11:26:54 PM
Would have been great...

...in 1988.

-Windebieste.

I agree.

Blomkamp keeps saying this was HIS ALIEN 3. ALIEN 3 already happened. And it's way better than any Blomkamp movie. Fincher is way, way better than Neill.

Then, Weaver keeps lying. She APROVED Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection. And now Sigourney is saying bad things about ALI3N and RESURRECTION.

What bad things has she said?

Quote from: SM on Jul 10, 2017, 03:32:18 AM
What bad things has she said?

She said that ALI3N and RESURRECTION were mistakes.

20 years ago, she said different when her dollar account was huge.

Sigourney Weaver lost any credibility.

The horse bolted on this issue 3 decades ago.   'ALIEN', 'ALIENS' and 'ALIEN 3' are a great trilogy.  They tell a complete story.   There's really nothing more to add.   What more is there to tell about Ripley, anyway?  Other than she becomes a superhero 200 years later.

But no.  Along comes along Blomkamp and he stirs the pot.  It's a sensitive enough issue with 'ALIENS' fans (generally speaking) as it is with the direction the 3rd movie took, but hey, isn't it time to accept it? 

Blomkamp hasn't done anyone any favours with his proposal.  He basically prematurely announced his intention to make his fan service movie, gathered online support and used it to twist Fox' arm.  Scott said "No.  I have different plans".  End of fan service Project - on with the continuing 'PROMETHEUS' narrative instead.

Blomkamp should have just kept quiet because now all the butt hurt Ripley-ites won't calm down.  We got a solid movie with 'ALIEN: Covenant'.  Deal with it.

I'd love to see Blomkamp make an 'ALIEN' movie - but it doesn't need Ripley.  Her story is done.  It's over.  There is immense scope in the fictional universe without her. 

In the end, it's just too bad Blomkamp wasn't around 30 years ago with his proposal - that would have been ideal!  ...but that's not the way things have happened.  Blomkamp is 3 decades too late.  Sorry, but that's the story.

-Windebieste.

Well said, Windebieste.

Quote from: PierreVW on Jul 10, 2017, 03:49:17 AM

Quote from: SM on Jul 10, 2017, 03:32:18 AM
What bad things has she said?

She said that ALI3N and RESURRECTION were mistakes.

20 years ago, she said different when her dollar account was huge.

Sigourney Weaver lost any credibility.

When has she said this?

Another thing is:

WHY Sigourney Weaver is saying the story of Ripley isn't complete?. Money.

Ripley died in ALI3N and Sigourney Weaver played the clone of Ripley in RESURRECTION.

You make it sound like Ridley Scott shot down Blomkamp's Alien 5 in a whim. It actually was FOX all along. Those guys wouldn't make a movie deal for 2 Alien films, only a single one, so Ridley Scott pursued the Prometheus sequel instead.

Sigourney Weaver and Neill Blomkamp were sitting in the pub during takes of 'Chappie' at lunch time.  Neill turns to Sigourney and says "Hey, I have these designs for a movie proposal for a REAL and PROPER sequel to 'ALIENS'"

Sigourney, sipping on her glass of wine replies "Shoot.  I'm interested".

"OK." Says Neill "Here.  Check out these concept pieces. It'll have you and Micheal and maybe even Carrie can reprise roles."

"That's a fantastic idea!" Responded the tall, dark haired woman. "I'd love that. Have you got any costs worked out yet?" 

"Well" Neill responds, pleased to see Sigourney's interest had been captured so readily "I was hoping to work that out with you right now."

OK.  Says Weaver  "Firstly, there's my fee.  That will at least be eight figures and I won't settle for less than twenty million.  I got paid eleven million for the same role 20 years ago.  I expect at least double that now".

"Done. How much do think Michael should be paid."

"Oh, I don't know. ... make it five million.  I think he'll take that.  He'll be happy with 8 weeks worth of work and five mill in his pocket at the end of the day."

Neill looked at her and scratched his chin "hmmm... OK.  I think that's OK.  How about the special effects budget?  I've got the technical background, so I know this already.  To digitally de-age you for the 2 hour duration of the movie we will need a budget of around thirty million dollars.  I think that's about right."

"OK"  Says Sigourney "Sounds Great! Let's do it..."

"Wait! Wait! Wait!" insists Neill "There's also the Alien..."

"What about it?  These movies are about Ripley - not the Alien.  So what?"

"We need to budget for it anyway." Replies Neill.

"Uh, OK" responds Weaver.  "I can tell you now James once said if he could get away with a special effect just by throwing a rubber chicken at a wall, he'd do that."

"Well, in that case, how much is a rubber chicken? Anyway, we have to get back to work.  I'll work on these costs and send my proposal to the executives at Fox.  They'll love it.  I'll see you on set in five minutes."

- - -

Two weeks later an evelope full of document arrives on a Fox executive's desk.  It's Neill Blomkamp's proposal for an ALIENS movie sequel that should have been made 30 years ago.  Inside there's a script, some concept art and a balance sheet of costs.  Among the costing for the project are these entries:

$20,000,000 - Sigourney Weaver's fee.
$30,000,000 - Special effects to de-age Ms Weaver for 2 hours.
$5,000,000 - Michael Biehn fee.
$2.50 - Rubber Chicken for creature effects.

-Windebieste.

If they de-age her.. cop out.  I want to see 70 year old Ripley, wrinkles and all.

Blomkamp is a military science fiction visual master, so a Blomkamp Alien film would probably be ALIENS x 10. I recommend all you Blomkamp detractors watch RAKKA and FIREBASE from OAT Studios... They are very very impressive for their budget. I bet Blomkamp used lots of concepts there that were going to be in the defunct ALIEN 5 project.

Quote from: PierreVW on Jul 10, 2017, 04:55:28 AM
Another thing is:

WHY Sigourney Weaver is saying the story of Ripley isn't complete?. Money.

Ripley died in ALI3N and Sigourney Weaver played the clone of Ripley in RESURRECTION.

The studio wanted Ripley and were willing to pay and she was eager to do a different take on the character.

When did she say Alien 3 and Resurrection were mistakes again?

I figured it was something like this.  Very disappointed in Ridley.  At least be honest about it.

No way fox will let or make a movie that retcon alien 3,4

Why?

Idk when Blomkamp Talk to Fox about Alien 5 but Sea of Sorrow and Wayland Yutani Report show that fox still want keep alien 3-4 as a main canon.

That was a couple of years ago.

If they thought they were on a winner with Blomkamp's idea, Alien3 and Resurrection would go.

Ridley stepped in as a producer to kill the movie. Poor Neill

And Ridley made the right decision.

Quote from: SM on Jul 10, 2017, 01:45:57 AM
Put up what?  He can't leak the script.

He's moved on with the Oats stuff, and people keep asking him about Alien and he wants to not look like an unprofessional hack.

Fair point about the script, but for all this hot air that's been blown we know nothing about it. It's hard to be disappointed when we know zilch. When he keeps talking about the project it just adds more fuel to the fire. I think the fanbase overall enjoyed Covenant, but the loud minority keep saying how much better Blomkamp's movie would be. There is no way to know that. What we do know is that it would feature Ripley and Hicks which would retcon two of the movies in the original saga. That is enough to make me pause. I think if the story or a synopsis leaked it would put this issue to bed. It would have to be so mind blowingly awesome to keep fans divided at that point.

Well, that's the point.

There is absolutely no guarantee that Blomkamp's movie was going to be any good. 

Oh, Ripley was going to be in it?  BWAHAHAHAHAHAZAAAAAA!!!1!

Well, Big f**king deal. 

I am so glad Scott is taking the series into challenging directions he's pushing it.  This series needed a kick up the pants to shed it's tired old 1986 nostalgia trip and embrace the 21st Century. 

More Scott, please.  Less of the bullshit Ripley navel gazing nonsense. 

-Windebieste.

I've made no secret of my advocacy of this project. However, the "... if it was still 1998" comment does ring a little bit true to me.

But for all that, I still would have loved to have seen this come to fruition, but there are always going to be two camps on this. The one lot who are willing to overlook the magic facehugger and hand-waving (or brave dramatic decision whichever way you want it) of two established characters and the other lot who can accept A3 on its own merits... but not at the expense of the established story.

We've been over it loads (the joy of the internet forum) and I don't think anyone will really change their stance on this.

The one worry, I think, is that even if it had gone into production, the question marks over NB's ability to deliver on the concept would still be there - would this have been the movie that the Aliens fans wanted? Was the script - and the director - up to the task.

It's a moot point now - as has been noted, he's moved on. He knows its not happening and this Oaks studio thing is the new thing d'jour. Fair play, a lot of the content seems to be saying "And here's what you could have won" re the AlienVerse!

While I was a little apprehensive about the idea of a retcon, those assuming either way that Blomkamp's film would have been amazing or bad should try and take a step back. There is no guarantee either way that it would have been better than these prequels or it would have been worse. Also I'd just like to remind people not to just blanket insult people who may want/not want this. It's childish and boring.

While I did enjoy Covenant for the most part, I also dislike the direction he's taking these prequels and would quite happily not see him conclude these stories.

I'm hoping the script will get leaked but it's probably unlikely considering how few people have likely seen it. Hopefully, considering the praise it got, we'll get to see it in some fashion or another. Perhaps a comic series? I'd really like to see Dark Horse do some adaptations of the various Alien 3 scripts like they did with The Star Wars.

Quote from: windebieste on Jul 10, 2017, 05:03:22 AM
Sigourney Weaver and Neill Blomkamp were sitting in the pub during takes of 'Chappie' at lunch time.  Neill turns to Sigourney and says "Hey, I have these designs for a movie proposal for a REAL and PROPER sequel to 'ALIENS'"

Sigourney, sipping on her glass of wine replies "Shoot.  I'm interested".

"OK." Says Neill "Here.  Check out these concept pieces. It'll have you and Micheal and maybe even Carrie can reprise roles."

"That's a fantastic idea!" Responded the tall, dark haired woman. "I'd love that. Have you got any costs worked out yet?" 

"Well" Neill responds, pleased to see Sigourney's interest had been captured so readily "I was hoping to work that out with you right now."

OK.  Says Weaver  "Firstly, there's my fee.  That will at least be eight figures and I won't settle for less than twenty million.  I got paid eleven million for the same role 20 years ago.  I expect at least double that now".

"Done. How much do think Michael should be paid."

"Oh, I don't know. ... make it five million.  I think he'll take that.  He'll be happy with 8 weeks worth of work and five mill in his pocket at the end of the day."

Neill looked at her and scratched his chin "hmmm... OK.  I think that's OK.  How about the special effects budget?  I've got the technical background, so I know this already.  To digitally de-age you for the 2 hour duration of the movie we will need a budget of around thirty million dollars.  I think that's about right."

"OK"  Says Sigourney "Sounds Great! Let's do it..."

"Wait! Wait! Wait!" insists Neill "There's also the Alien..."

"What about it?  These movies are about Ripley - not the Alien.  So what?"

"We need to budget for it anyway." Replies Neill.

"Uh, OK" responds Weaver.  "I can tell you now James once said if he could get away with a special effect just by throwing a rubber chicken at a wall, he'd do that."

"Well, in that case, how much is a rubber chicken? Anyway, we have to get back to work.  I'll work on these costs and send my proposal to the executives at Fox.  They'll love it.  I'll see you on set in five minutes."

- - -

Two weeks later an evelope full of document arrives on a Fox executive's desk.  It's Neill Blomkamp's proposal for an ALIENS movie sequel that should have been made 30 years ago.  Inside there's a script, some concept art and a balance sheet of costs.  Among the costing for the project are these entries:

$20,000,000 - Sigourney Weaver's fee.
$30,000,000 - Special effects to de-age Ms Weaver for 2 hours.
$5,000,000 - Michael Biehn fee.
$2.50 - Rubber Chicken for creature effects.

-Windebieste.

Was the part about the RUBBER CHICKEN a dig at CHAPPIE for his obsession with RUBBER CHICKENS?

---

skip to 1:24 for Chappie's Rubber Chicken fixation

Apologies if I came off as rude, not meant to at all, I was just outlining that (as we know) the dark nihilism of A3 is brilliant and an almost perfect end if not for the facehugger and the killing of the two characters... but some folk (like me) are still butthurt about it and there are others who aren't and are happy to accept the facehugger and accept that shit things happen to Ripley.

So apologies for any offence caused there, as I say, not meant at all.

I hope the script will come out too - I guess there's a part of NB that "doesn't stop believing" and he won't want it to come out in case there's a smidge of a chance the movie could happen.

I hear what you are saying on the A3 scripts - that'd be great. I was only watching the special features of A3 the other day and they had a tonne of artwork for the Wooden Planet and all that stuff.

On the NB one - I'd love to read a novelisation of it. For me, that'd be a perfect way to book end it.

Nope.  I'd completely forgotten about that scene.  lol.  But that works, too.

James Cameron actually said that about getting the same result by throwing a rubber chicken at the wall, he'd do that.

-Windebieste.

It annoys me somewhat that Sigourney says or is reported to have said she felt Ripley's story didn't end correctly. She's the one who made sure the story ended that way.

Although I'm glad that Blomkampf's version didn't happen. I would like to read the script the finished to see where he would have planned to have gone.

So Ridleys at it again lol

Ridley's direction for the prequel series isn't bold or interesting, he doesn't even seem to understand what made his original film great.

Scott's new direction for the prequels is much bolder and infinitely more interesting than bringing back deceased characters who's story is long over.  That's not bold.  It's certainly not interesting considering there's nowhere to take Ripley.

After all, what's she going to do?  Fight Aliens..?  ...and win?  Wut..?  How is that in any way bold or interesting? 

It's not. lol.

-Windebieste.

Sigourney Weaver has the humility to recognize that the direction she took with Alien 3 was a mistake.  This is an issue for people?  This makes her a liar somehow?  Ridiculous.  It takes a big person to look back and say they goofed...

Blomkamp's dumping of Alien 3 for an Aliens fan fiction isn't a very good idea, Alien 3 (especially the work print on the Blu-ray) holds up rather well, yes it made some poor choices in killing off Hicks and Newt when they had been so invested in through Aliens, but it's a solid film made by a now incredibly respected film-maker who has mostly gone from strength to strength. It ended a trilogy rather well, it can't compare to Alien and Aliens but still stands on its own merit as a worthy entry in a well respected series.

I can't see what else would come of Blomkamp's film other than two hours of 'Hey, remember THIS?', just another nostalgia heavy cash grab with not much substance. District 9 was a very well made film and really engaging, Elysium started off well enough and quickly devolved into good looking nonsense, Chappie just wasn't very good and didn't connect. I can't see this project being in the best of hands, we don't need Ripley or Hicks back, or Newt, it's a huge universe with limitless possibilities for talented writers to put something together in. Which brings me to Covenant......

It wasn't very good. It didn't follow through on Prometheus, the last act was a mess. It started well but it had no characters of any substance, it felt like it was rushed through to meet a deadline and not given any space to breathe, to let its ideas be put to better use. I can't imagine ever watching it again, which is a shame as it's something I mention above, it's a bunch of new characters that as far as Prometheus promised - was taking us away into unexplored parts of the universe, with things we hadn't seen before - but it isn't being handled correctly, I really don't believe Ridley Scott is the right man for the job with these films, we aren't getting fully baked ideas on screen, the main discussion points for these films are the bits that aren't actually in the films, which is quite telling.

So we have on one hand, a short series of more original stories/characters that aren't fully delivering on their promise. On the other we have some concept art of an alternate universe film that looks like fan fiction and being made by a director whose output hasn't improved as he's made more films, anybody who is good at anything learns and gets better as they go along, Blomkamp seems to be going the opposite, why should he be handling an Alien film? If he really thinks he can, give him a shot at an original Alien film, whole new setting, new characters, new story, see what happens - I don't think Ridley can deliver one.

Surely we have more ways forward with this series than this.....

Bah.  Of course she'll say that.    She just sees the phat paycheck at the tail end of her career. 

'ALIEN 3' wasn't a mistake for her to personalise as hers. 

...or maybe if it was.  She should come out and say so.

-Windebieste.

I like all the critics on here bashing all these movies... Who the hell are you people to bash any of these filmmakers? Nobody! Haha.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with sharing opinions - good or bad - on filmmakers and their films. As long as it's done in a mature manner, there's no issue to be taken with it. This is a place for discussion, after all.

Blomkamp was only interested in a copy of Aliens: Weaver & Michael Biehn, pulse rilfes, "retro" technology (which was not a stylistic choice back when the first two movies were made but a reflection of that era's design language and technological limitations), colonial marines fighting the alien queen.

It's a stale vision. Fanboyism.

Kane's other son-Duly noted however when James Cameron says the script is "gangbusters and could be filmed tomorrow!" and with Weaver's blessing(and her finally admitting Ripley didn't get a proper ending....I'll wait for all 4 Alien 3 fans to show up and argue that) it's a shame ALIEN 5 will *most likely* never get made.

You cannot be happy with Ridley's treatment of *his* films at this point. He's burning it all to the ground. Horrible, horrible sequels. They're not scary. Terrible scripts. Excessive gore(again, not scary). He's lost his touch.

Now he wants to bring Ripley's *mom* into the series? Sorry, I'm checking out. He has successfully destroyed his franchise.

So sad.

Quote from: Kane's other son on Jul 10, 2017, 12:27:28 PM
Blomkamp was only interested in a copy of Aliens: Weaver & Michael Biehn, pulse rilfes, "retro" technology (which was not a stylistic choice back when the first two movies were made but a reflection of that era's design language and technological limitations), colonial marines fighting the alien queen.

It's a stale vision. Fanboyism.

Considering how little we actually know of that Blomkamp wanted - outside of seeing some aesthetic return from Aliens and his comments about how Alien: Isolation influenced him - it's impossible to say with any definiteness.

I love how everyone assumes it would have been a copy of Aliens based purely on... what again? Hicks is in it? Queen?

Damn. Sure smells like 100% Aliens rehash

Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 10, 2017, 12:49:34 PM
Kane's other son-Duly noted however when James Cameron says the script is "gangbusters and could be filmed tomorrow!" and with Weaver's blessing(and her finally admitting Ripley didn't get a proper ending....I'll wait for all 4 Alien 3 fans to show up and argue that) it's a shame ALIEN 5 will *most likely* never get made.

You cannot be happy with Ridley's treatment of *his* films at this point. He's burning it all to the ground. Horrible, horrible sequels. They're not scary. Terrible scripts. Excessive gore(again, not scary). He's lost his touch.

Now he wants to bring Ripley's *mom* into the series? Sorry, I'm checking out. He has successfully destroyed his franchise.

So sad.

Quite a few are perfectly happy with the treatment of the prequels. I think some people forget that a lot of people enjoyed Prometheus and Covenant. It's not like Covenant is some universally hated movie. And judging it on its gore misses the point. The monster stuff doesn't drive the movie. It's the relationship between David and Walter that is the meat and potatoes of Covenant. If we're judging Covenant purely on scares it probably fails. Thank goodness it's not about scares, but rather deeper philosophical thinking and morality. I can accept that you and others didn't like the film, but it's not a universally shared opinion within the community.

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Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 10, 2017, 02:04:27 PM
I love how everyone assumes it would have been a copy of Aliens based purely on... what again? Hicks is in it? Queen?

Damn. Sure smells like 100% Aliens rehash

The concept art feeds on Aliens nostalgia, it's hard to deny that. We don't know anything about the story. I'm not assuming anything until it's either made into a movie or the story leaks.

Regardless, Kane's other son basically described a recipe for sheer awesome !!! ;)

Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 10, 2017, 12:49:34 PM
Kane's other son-Duly noted however when James Cameron says the script is "gangbusters and could be filmed tomorrow!" and with Weaver's blessing(and her finally admitting Ripley didn't get a proper ending....I'll wait for all 4 Alien 3 fans to show up and argue that) it's a shame ALIEN 5 will *most likely* never get made.

I would agree, had Cameron not praised Terminator Genisys a couple of summers ago.

I think that Scott's bolder and Blomkamp's grittier than each other. I liked the shots and visuals of Elysium and District 9, but Ridley's Alien got some nice shots and good moments. Making Alien 3 non canon maybe just lengthening Ripley's story, so i just think that Ripley's story ended. It's good for a story to end, not like Michael Bay's Transformers which seemed to be trapped in a endless loop.

Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Jul 10, 2017, 01:00:55 AM
Stand back for a minute and think about how Blomkamp went about trying to get his film made while Scott was already busy doing his thing with the series. Trying to pitch a film through Instagram thinking online Aliens fanboys would make it work? He cynically used them all. Blomkamp was a complete bellend.

Carry on with the perfect imaginary Blomkamp masterpiece that exists in your own head. I mean there must be thousands of unmade Blomkamp Alien films sitting latently in empty eager skulls out there. Make up any shit you want, Blomkamp would have delivered no matter what.

Numpties

lol, he didn't "pitch the film through Instagram". He pitched the film directly to Fox long before he posted the concept art on Instagram. The reason he posted the concept art on the internet was because he didn't think he was going to do it anymore. In a IGN video interview he also sincerely denied that he posted the artwork online in order to garner public and media support for the film.

At the time Blomkamp made his pitch to Fox there wasn't much happening with regards to Prometheus 2. No-one knew if it was even still on. Besides, his film would have been an alternative sequel to Aliens, not Prometheus. He wasn't stepping on Scott's toes.

..And people will still moan about it. I doubt anything will equal the 1986 Aliens. Aliens 3 people moaned, aliens4 , people moans, Prometheus, people moaned,Covenant people moaned.

After seeing the disjointed and disappointing Alien covenant. I wish they would let him do an Alien 3.  IMO , Covenant was just a flawed psycho android movie.  It did nothing to explain the engineers, and having an android be the creator of the alien is ludicrous.

It's very hard/impossible to be with Neill Blomkamp.

Blomkamp is a very mediocre director. His movies are like really bad copies of Paul Verhoeven masterpieces. He is a socialist by his own words and tries to insert his social theories in his movies. Elysium failed because of his excessive social theories scenes.

Ridley Scott is my favorite director of all time BUT I prefer him Directing OTHER projects like Westerns, War Films and Gangster Films. I prefer Ridley Scott in Historical Epics too.

The ALIEN Franchise needs a great and NEW director. Someone like Denis Villeneuve could work.

It begins to dawn on me just how tasteless what Ridley did is.  He has also stated that his favorite alien films are his own.  Does anybody have this exact quote somewhere?  He basically disrespects Aliens.  Aliens is the reason people are still allowed to make these sequels.  He has become an egomaniac and he is hellbent on doing these films so he can take credit for all things Alien.  He panders to fans just like Blomkamp except that Blomkamp strikes a resonant chord with fans while Ridley just "gives us more xenomorphs".  He is pushing this franchise towards the toilet.  I do enjoy his new Alien films on their own, but in the. I text of the whole series, they are a huge let-down.  David the robot created xenomorphs?  What a crock!

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 10, 2017, 05:29:19 PM

Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Jul 10, 2017, 01:00:55 AM
Stand back for a minute and think about how Blomkamp went about trying to get his film made while Scott was already busy doing his thing with the series. Trying to pitch a film through Instagram thinking online Aliens fanboys would make it work? He cynically used them all. Blomkamp was a complete bellend.

Carry on with the perfect imaginary Blomkamp masterpiece that exists in your own head. I mean there must be thousands of unmade Blomkamp Alien films sitting latently in empty eager skulls out there. Make up any shit you want, Blomkamp would have delivered no matter what.

Numpties

lol, he didn't "pitch the film through Instagram". He pitched the film directly to Fox long before he posted the concept art on Instagram. The reason he posted the concept art on the internet was because he didn't think he was going to do it anymore. In a IGN video interview he also sincerely denied that he posted the artwork online in order to garner public and media support for the film.

At the time Blomkamp made his pitch to Fox there wasn't much happening with regards to Prometheus 2. No-one knew if it was even still on. Besides, his film would have been an alternative sequel to Aliens, not Prometheus. He wasn't stepping on Scott's toes.

Enough with the facts!!! There are narratives and agendas to push!

Seems there may be some hope for Alien 5!

http://www.alien5-movie.com/news/amp/neill-blomkamps-alien-5-originally-did-not-involve-ripley

At the bottom of the article is a mention that an insider has info that Alien 5 is not as dead as we think.  Could be just a rumor...

I did check to make sure I wasn't just re-posting the same thing as was on the first page...

Erm... back on page 1. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=58107.0)

Futile discussion.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 10, 2017, 06:52:29 PM
It begins to dawn on me just how tasteless what Ridley did is.  He has also stated that his favorite alien films are his own.  Does anybody have this exact quote somewhere?  He basically disrespects Aliens.  Aliens is the reason people are still allowed to make these sequels.  He has become an egomaniac and he is hellbent on doing these films so he can take credit for all things Alien.  He panders to fans just like Blomkamp except that Blomkamp strikes a resonant chord with fans while Ridley just "gives us more xenomorphs".  He is pushing this franchise towards the toilet.  I do enjoy his new Alien films on their own, but in the. I text of the whole series, they are a huge let-down.  David the robot created xenomorphs?  What a crock!

Any Director is an Egomaniac.

Do you think James Cameron isn't an Egomaniac? LOL....

Cameron called himself "the king of Earth". LOL

As a self referential joke to his film which had just won an Oscar.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 10, 2017, 06:52:29 PM
  He basically disrespects Aliens.

By not putting the Queen and Colonial Marines in his films?  I don't understand.

I'm not sure there is anything to understand.

"At the time Blomkamp made his pitch to Fox there wasn't much happening with regards to Prometheus 2"

A followup to Prometheus was green lit a few months before Blomkamp uploaded his work to Instagram, I find it highly unlikely that Blomkamp didn't know that Scott had mentioned even before Prometheus was released he'd expressed interest in making a new series of films. If you believe what you say, then what purpose would it have served for Blomkamp to put his art out there if he had already had talks with Fox and they dismissed the idea of Alien 5? For all intents and purposes his shit stirring got the pot up to a rolling boil didn't it then?

Either he knew exactly what he was doing or he was very stupid. Yet people call Scott out for being a "Jerk"?

Agendas? Facts? I think they must be residing somewhere in a smelly, dark and rather unpleasant place it seems. .

What's wrong with thinking your own movies are the best? Was he going to pick Alien 3 or Resurrection?

Indeed.

Quote from: newagescamartist on Jul 11, 2017, 03:00:42 AM
What's wrong with thinking your own movies are the best? Was he going to pick Alien 3 or Resurrection?

I love his confidence.

Recently, Ridley Scott said his 5 Greatest Sci-Fis of All Time:

1.- 2001(Stanley Kubrick).

2.- STAR WARS(1977).

3.- ALIEN.

4.- BLADE RUNNER.

So, he put 2 of his films in the number 3 and 4 of Greatest of All Time.

Quote from: PierreVW on Jul 11, 2017, 06:55:21 AM

Quote from: newagescamartist on Jul 11, 2017, 03:00:42 AM
What's wrong with thinking your own movies are the best? Was he going to pick Alien 3 or Resurrection?

I love his confidence.

Recently, Ridley Scott said his 5 Greatest Sci-Fis of All Time:

1.- 2001(Stanley Kubrick).

2.- STAR WARS(1977).

3.- ALIEN.

4.- BLADE RUNNER.

So, he put 2 of his films in the number 3 and 4 of Greatest of All Time.

His list looks legit, though I might put Alien ahead of Star Wars. But that's just me personally.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 10, 2017, 07:45:14 PM
Seems there may be some hope for Alien 5!

http://www.alien5-movie.com/news/amp/neill-blomkamps-alien-5-originally-did-not-involve-ripley

At the bottom of the article is a mention that an insider has info that Alien 5 is not as dead as we think.  Could be just a rumor...

I did check to make sure I wasn't just re-posting the same thing as was on the first page...

As a rule of thumb, I don't put a lot in of trust in anything that comes from Scified. They don't vet their "sources" well enough imho.

I do know that Fox were still thinking about the concept. I mentioned before how Fox had been in touch with me following Covenant's release. One of the things they were asking about was the interest in Blomkamp's concept so it's not off their radar completely.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2017, 07:42:23 AM
I do know that Fox were still thinking about the concept. I mentioned before how Fox had been in touch with me following Covenant's release. One of the things they were asking about was the interest in Blomkamp's concept so it's not off their radar completely.

Do the Fox people you talk to like Covenant?

I can't say we've chatted about that.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2017, 07:42:23 AM
I do know that Fox were still thinking about the concept. I mentioned before how Fox had been in touch with me following Covenant's release. One of the things they were asking about was the interest in Blomkamp's concept so it's not off their radar completely.

I can't see the article cos my work blocks it (for... reasons).

That's interesting, though, Hicks - I didn't know that. It's potentially good news but seems to conflict with everything NB has said. Then again, I guess if Fox said to him "About that Aliens 2 thing... you still interested" he's unlikely to say "No, fck off, I'm making cool short movies now."

Can you say when this was? Before his latest "Alien was the reason I got into making films, I'm not going to say bad things about Ridley" stuff I'm guessing?

Yay, though. Colour me excited. And if it does happen, I can imagine the wagering that's going to on around here about those hypersleep dreams *lol*.

Hypersleep Dreams... that's a good name for a band, actually.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2017, 08:27:21 AM
I can't say we've chatted about that.

Tell them to let Riddles finish his story before they go with Blomkamp.  ;D

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 11, 2017, 08:27:21 AM
I can't say we've chatted about that.

I have.

And do they?

Mostly.

SM and Hicks-please let Fox know there are people who really, really want to see Neil's ALIEN V.

Even, let's say if Fox goes to Blomkamp and says "here's 60 million bucks, make ALIEN V" there's no doubt whatsoever that he can do it.

Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 11, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
SM and Hicks-please let Fox know there are people who really, really want to see Neil's ALIEN V.

Even, let's say if Fox goes to Blomkamp and says "here's 60 million bucks, make ALIEN V" there's no doubt whatsoever that he can do it.

I dont think Im coming out of left field here to NOTE that making Blomkamp's ALIEN film next is a very risky move for them.
There are PROS - Ripley mostly.
But the CONS (right now) are very big.

For instance, the next 'ALIEN' film will be viewed by casual audience members as a sequel to ALIEN: COVENANT, and there is just no way around that.
This franchise's BIGGEST obstacle for audiences right now, is it's indiscernible continuity... Making the sequel to Alien: Covenant be a sequel to Aliens that retcons ALIEN 3 and 4 is NOT A SMART MOVE for this studio with this franchise where it is.

I suppose you could also say that any film that brings Ripley back is a path forward, toward making money and in that way is more bankable to the franchise that a Covenant sequel, but it's a tough thing to explain. The PRESS would be loaded with complicated explanations that would make the series sound like an absolute mess.

Ironically, had they made PARADISE a more direct sequel to PROMETHEUS/ AKA PROMETHEUS 2, this would NOT have been a problem. Once again, they HAD the right idea, and then dropped the ball. They should have made PROMETHEUS 2 and BLOMKAMP'S FILM, like they'd intended. Now its harder to manage the PR.

Im being objective here. Its not that I wouldnt be lining up to see it personally, but this community isn't enough.

As of now, from a business perspective, Blomkamp's ALIEN is a problem BECAUSE of COVENANT. Im not saying they wont take this risk, but I think this is a primary and serious reason why it is unlikely. Or at least, something the studio will seriously struggle with.

They need to wrangle this together NEXT, without question. The franchise is losing it's marbles because its all over the place and impenetrable to casual audiences.

If you look at it this way, a film linking COVENANT to ALIEN is the only logical next move. Its unfortunate but at this point Im betting FOX is going to demand a very simple film that links ALIEN to COVENANT and may even involve RIPLEY'S LINEAGE somehow, hoping they can make a stew that doesn't involve people needing to have seen COVENANT - and that is also a big problem.

Linking DAVID to RIPLEY cheaply is the most logical route. DAVID can just live and live - -

Quote from: CainsSon on Jul 11, 2017, 02:56:57 PM

Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 11, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
SM and Hicks-please let Fox know there are people who really, really want to see Neil's ALIEN V.

Even, let's say if Fox goes to Blomkamp and says "here's 60 million bucks, make ALIEN V" there's no doubt whatsoever that he can do it.

I dont think Im coming out of left field here to NOTE that making Blomkamp's ALIEN film next is a very risky move for them.
There are PROS - Ripley mostly.
But the CONS (right now) are very big.

For instance, the next 'ALIEN' film will be viewed by casual audience members as a sequel to ALIEN: COVENANT, and there is just no way around that.
This franchise's BIGGEST obstacle for audiences right now, is it's indiscernible continuity... Making the sequel to Alien: Covenant be a sequel to Aliens that retcons ALIEN 3 and 4 is NOT A SMART MOVE for this studio with this franchise where it is.

I suppose you could also say that any film that brings Ripley back is a path forward, toward making money and in that way is more bankable to the franchise that a Covenant sequel, but it's a tough thing to explain. The PRESS would be loaded with complicated explanations that would make the series sound like an absolute mess.

Ironically, had they made PARADISE a more direct sequel to PROMETHEUS/ AKA PROMETHEUS 2, this would NOT have been a problem. Once again, they HAD the right idea, and then dropped the ball. They should have made PROMETHEUS 2 and BLOMKAMP'S FILM, like they'd intended. Now its harder to manage the PR.

Im being objective here. Its not that I wouldnt be lining up to see it personally, but this community isn't enough.

As of now, from a business perspective, Blomkamp's ALIEN is a problem BECAUSE of COVENANT. Im not saying they wont take this risk, but I think this is a primary and serious reason why it is unlikely. Or at least, something the studio will seriously struggle with.

They need to wrangle this together NEXT, without question. The franchise is losing it's marbles because its all over the place and impenetrable to casual audiences.

If you look at it this way, a film linking COVENANT to ALIEN is the only logical next move. Its unfortunate but at this point Im betting FOX is going to demand a very simple film that links ALIEN to COVENANT and may even involve RIPLEY'S LINEAGE somehow.

I think the nostalgia hype machine would kick into full gear. I agree that it could get confusing for the general audience, but the fanbase would hype it for the casual fans. It's a shame both the sequel to Covenant and the NB project can't get greenlit at the same time. If the concept for Alien 5 is really that good I'm willing to swallow a retcon. It's not like it erases Alien 3 and Resurrection from existence, and even though it could be silly, more interest in this franchise is always a good thing especially after the ho-hum box office of Covenant which ironically makes both of these potential sequels even riskier.

Quote from: newagescamartist on Jul 11, 2017, 03:07:52 PM

Quote from: CainsSon on Jul 11, 2017, 02:56:57 PM

Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 11, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
SM and Hicks-please let Fox know there are people who really, really want to see Neil's ALIEN V.

Even, let's say if Fox goes to Blomkamp and says "here's 60 million bucks, make ALIEN V" there's no doubt whatsoever that he can do it.

I dont think Im coming out of left field here to NOTE that making Blomkamp's ALIEN film next is a very risky move for them.
There are PROS - Ripley mostly.
But the CONS (right now) are very big.

For instance, the next 'ALIEN' film will be viewed by casual audience members as a sequel to ALIEN: COVENANT, and there is just no way around that.
This franchise's BIGGEST obstacle for audiences right now, is it's indiscernible continuity... Making the sequel to Alien: Covenant be a sequel to Aliens that retcons ALIEN 3 and 4 is NOT A SMART MOVE for this studio with this franchise where it is.

I suppose you could also say that any film that brings Ripley back is a path forward, toward making money and in that way is more bankable to the franchise that a Covenant sequel, but it's a tough thing to explain. The PRESS would be loaded with complicated explanations that would make the series sound like an absolute mess.

Ironically, had they made PARADISE a more direct sequel to PROMETHEUS/ AKA PROMETHEUS 2, this would NOT have been a problem. Once again, they HAD the right idea, and then dropped the ball. They should have made PROMETHEUS 2 and BLOMKAMP'S FILM, like they'd intended. Now its harder to manage the PR.

Im being objective here. Its not that I wouldnt be lining up to see it personally, but this community isn't enough.

As of now, from a business perspective, Blomkamp's ALIEN is a problem BECAUSE of COVENANT. Im not saying they wont take this risk, but I think this is a primary and serious reason why it is unlikely. Or at least, something the studio will seriously struggle with.

They need to wrangle this together NEXT, without question. The franchise is losing it's marbles because its all over the place and impenetrable to casual audiences.

If you look at it this way, a film linking COVENANT to ALIEN is the only logical next move. Its unfortunate but at this point Im betting FOX is going to demand a very simple film that links ALIEN to COVENANT and may even involve RIPLEY'S LINEAGE somehow.

I think the nostalgia hype machine would kick into full gear. I agree that it could get confusing for the general audience, but the fanbase would hype it for the casual fans. It's a shame both the sequel to Covenant and the NB project can't get greenlit at the same time. If the concept for Alien 5 is really that good I'm willing to swallow a retcon. It's not like it erases Alien 3 and Resurrection from existence, and even though it could be silly, more interest in this franchise is always a good thing especially after the ho-hum box office of Covenant which ironically makes both of these potential sequels even riskier.

The least risky sequel involves, Ripley 8 (downplaying her cloning stuff) encountering David, on Origae-6, hundreds of years later. Or David, after years of malfunction unleashing his breed on Earth with Ripley there.
Its ridiculous. But its an option.
It would be better to greenlight both Covenant and Alien-kamp at once and then make this Ripley meets David story the next chapter.

Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Jul 11, 2017, 01:22:23 AM
A followup to Prometheus was green lit a few months before Blomkamp uploaded his work to Instagram, I find it highly unlikely that Blomkamp didn't know that Scott had mentioned even before Prometheus was released he'd expressed interest in making a new series of films.

And Blomkamp made his pitch to Fox "a few months" before uploading the concept art to Instagram. But it's neither here nor there, Blomkamp had no interest in making a Prometheus sequel whatsoever. He wanted to make an alternative Aliens sequel. There would have been no conflict with Scott's Prometheus series.

QuoteIf you believe what you say, then what purpose would it have served for Blomkamp to put his art out there if he had already had talks with Fox and they dismissed the idea of Alien 5? For all intents and purposes his shit stirring got the pot up to a rolling boil didn't it then?

Fox didn't say no to him. He was unsure whether he still wanted to do it.

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 10, 2017, 01:43:00 PM
Considering how little we actually know of that Blomkamp wanted - outside of seeing some aesthetic return from Aliens and his comments about how Alien: Isolation influenced him - it's impossible to say with any definiteness.

He's doing an AMA on Reddit this Thursday @ 9AM PST (4PM GMT). Why not ask him yourself?

https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/884793849423421440 (https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/884793849423421440)

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 11, 2017, 04:30:49 PM

Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Jul 11, 2017, 01:22:23 AM
A followup to Prometheus was green lit a few months before Blomkamp uploaded his work to Instagram, I find it highly unlikely that Blomkamp didn't know that Scott had mentioned even before Prometheus was released he'd expressed interest in making a new series of films.

And Blomkamp made his pitch to Fox "a few months" before uploading the concept art to Instagram. But it's neither here nor there, Blomkamp had no interest in making a Prometheus sequel whatsoever. He wanted to make an alternative Aliens sequel. There would have been no conflict with Scott's Prometheus series.

QuoteIf you believe what you say, then what purpose would it have served for Blomkamp to put his art out there if he had already had talks with Fox and they dismissed the idea of Alien 5? For all intents and purposes his shit stirring got the pot up to a rolling boil didn't it then?

Fox didn't say no to him. He was unsure whether he still wanted to do it.

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 10, 2017, 01:43:00 PM
Considering how little we actually know of that Blomkamp wanted - outside of seeing some aesthetic return from Aliens and his comments about how Alien: Isolation influenced him - it's impossible to say with any definiteness.

He's doing an AMA on Reddit this Thursday @ 9AM PDT. Why not ask him yourself?

https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/884793849423421440 (https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/884793849423421440)

The Eighth Passenger would make a great title for the 8th Alien film.

They should make 1 more of Ridley's prequel films (PART 7) and immediately greenlight this movie "the 8th Passenger," directed by Blomkamp, where Ripley 8 (without referencing her Super powers much) encounters David, on board a W-Y Space Station orbiting Earth, where he intends to unleash his "perfect organism" - 'The Eighth Passenger' onto mankind. The twist is David is there to 'sell' his xeno-stuff to WY's weapons division and Ripley knows he is up to no good - breeding xeno's on the Space Station to destroy mankind. He tortures her and stuff to stop her from revealing his plans, and WY tries to silence her etc, before all hell breaks loose.

What good about a concept like this, is you can basically make it Alien 5 without referencing A:R directly. I also love the idea of David 8 meeting Ripley 8 and The Eighth Passenger all on board a WY Headquarters Space Station.

Waves flag
Im a writer FOX! HIRE ME!!!!

Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 11, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
SM and Hicks-please let Fox know there are people who really, really want to see Neil's ALIEN V.

Yes, please.  And a bunny and Tinkertoys and...  ;)

While I'd prefer to see the franchise move back towards the timeline of the first 2 movies, I'd really like to know where N.B. was going with his script. Elysium was just way too political, and I wouldn't want to sit through some 90 minute long political statement from him and weaver. Here's what I'd be worried about


Movies are just another form of story telling. If you don't have a good story, you don't have people's attention. The original movies were well written. Modern Film Makers have the tools and technology to realize almost anything they want, but without a good script, they have nothing.


My opinion of where they should go? Cancel the 3rd prequel immediately. Let it be written by A.D.F. instead. Get Fincher back to direct Vincent Ward's version of Alien 3, or possibly get Cameron to do Gibson's script. Twohy's script can be used as a stand alone film in the future. Fincher wouldn't be a bad choice for that one either. None of it is likely to happen, but when I read those old scripts, I can't help but feel that is where it all went off track. What a waste.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 11, 2017, 04:30:49 PM
He's doing an AMA on Reddit this Thursday @ 9AM PST (4PM GMT). Why not ask him yourself?

https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/884793849423421440 (https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/884793849423421440)

As good as a time as any to try and get some more info! Might be worth a few of us posting up some questions!

Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 11, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
SM and Hicks-please let Fox know there are people who really, really want to see Neil's ALIEN V.

Even, let's say if Fox goes to Blomkamp and says "here's 60 million bucks, make ALIEN V" there's no doubt whatsoever that he can do it.

Hear, hear!  I am adding my voice to this.  If there is influence to be had with FOX, I am one of many who support Neil Blomkamp's Alien V film.  Its cancellation overshadows the disappointment of the David is the creator of Aliens aspect of the Alien:Covenant.

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So here is my first question to Neil Blomkamp:

If Fox were to change their mind about Alien V, are you still on board?

Quote from: Huggs on Jul 11, 2017, 05:41:02 PM
While I'd prefer to see the franchise move back towards the timeline of the first 2 movies, I'd really like to know where N.B. was going with his script. Elysium was just way too political, and I wouldn't want to sit through some 90 minute long political statement from him and weaver. Here's what I'd be worried about


Movies are just another form of story telling. If you don't have a good story, you don't have people's attention. The original movies were well written. Modern Film Makers have the tools and technology to realize almost anything they want, but without a good script, they have nothing.


My opinion of where they should go? Cancel the 3rd prequel immediately. Let it be written by A.D.F. instead. Get Fincher back to direct Vincent Ward's version of Alien 3, or possibly get Cameron to do Gibson's script. Twohy's script can be used as a stand alone film in the future. Fincher wouldn't be a bad choice for that one either. None of it is likely to happen, but when I read those old scripts, I can't help but feel that is where it all went off track. What a waste.

Recently, James Cameron said he isn't interested in the ALIEN franchise.

The same with David Fincher. ALI3NS was his first movie and Fincher hated the process.

Quote from: CainsSon on Jul 11, 2017, 02:56:57 PM

Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 11, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
SM and Hicks-please let Fox know there are people who really, really want to see Neil's ALIEN V.

Even, let's say if Fox goes to Blomkamp and says "here's 60 million bucks, make ALIEN V" there's no doubt whatsoever that he can do it.

I dont think Im coming out of left field here to NOTE that making Blomkamp's ALIEN film next is a very risky move for them.
There are PROS - Ripley mostly.
But the CONS (right now) are very big.

For instance, the next 'ALIEN' film will be viewed by casual audience members as a sequel to ALIEN: COVENANT, and there is just no way around that.
This franchise's BIGGEST obstacle for audiences right now, is it's indiscernible continuity... Making the sequel to Alien: Covenant be a sequel to Aliens that retcons ALIEN 3 and 4 is NOT A SMART MOVE for this studio with this franchise where it is.

I suppose you could also say that any film that brings Ripley back is a path forward, toward making money and in that way is more bankable to the franchise that a Covenant sequel, but it's a tough thing to explain. The PRESS would be loaded with complicated explanations that would make the series sound like an absolute mess.

Ironically, had they made PARADISE a more direct sequel to PROMETHEUS/ AKA PROMETHEUS 2, this would NOT have been a problem. Once again, they HAD the right idea, and then dropped the ball. They should have made PROMETHEUS 2 and BLOMKAMP'S FILM, like they'd intended. Now its harder to manage the PR.

Im being objective here. Its not that I wouldnt be lining up to see it personally, but this community isn't enough.

As of now, from a business perspective, Blomkamp's ALIEN is a problem BECAUSE of COVENANT. Im not saying they wont take this risk, but I think this is a primary and serious reason why it is unlikely. Or at least, something the studio will seriously struggle with.

They need to wrangle this together NEXT, without question. The franchise is losing it's marbles because its all over the place and impenetrable to casual audiences.

If you look at it this way, a film linking COVENANT to ALIEN is the only logical next move. Its unfortunate but at this point Im betting FOX is going to demand a very simple film that links ALIEN to COVENANT and may even involve RIPLEY'S LINEAGE somehow, hoping they can make a stew that doesn't involve people needing to have seen COVENANT - and that is also a big problem.

Linking DAVID to RIPLEY cheaply is the most logical route. DAVID can just live and live - -

This is the sobering reality.

Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 11, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
SM and Hicks-please let Fox know there are people who really, really want to see Neil's ALIEN V.

Even, let's say if Fox goes to Blomkamp and says "here's 60 million bucks, make ALIEN V" there's no doubt whatsoever that he can do it.

A petition got launched over 5 months ago, and it's still yet to reach 5000 signatures.  I'm not seeing a massive amount of evidence that people "really, really want" this.

Quote from: FenGiddel on Jul 11, 2017, 05:33:22 PM

Quote from: LiquidMonster on Jul 11, 2017, 01:37:47 PM
SM and Hicks-please let Fox know there are people who really, really want to see Neil's ALIEN V.

Yes, please.  And a bunny and Tinkertoys and...  ;)

Have you been good this year, young man?

"Recently, James Cameron said he isn't interested in the ALIEN franchise.

The same with David Fincher. ALI3NS was his first movie and Fincher hated the process. "


Indeed they did. I also remember scott saying the beast was cooked with an orange in its mouth. I also never thought I'd see another Alien film after resurrection. Stranger things have happened. Good gracious, I never thought Cameron would've gone goo-gaws over genisys.

It was just my opinion. I enjoy the dark and gritty/claustrophobic style of fincher's films, and I respect what he was trying to do with Alien 3. Ward's script was very interesting and I just think Fincher would be a good choice to do it. The same with Cameron doing Gibson's script, it's more suited to his talents. Cameron can do really big stuff, which is what's called for, and he made Aliens, which is good enough qualifications for me.

In the end, it doesn't much matter what gets made or doesn't get made from here. The first films gave most people exactly what they wanted, and the good movies that didn't get made are available to read, and that's enough to be thankful for.

I sincerely hope SM and Hicks encourage Fox to greenlight the Covenant sequel.  ;D : ;)

I had no idea SM and Hicks were high-up lever pullers at Fox. Now that I know, consider this post my formal request for more embryos. They can be human or otherwise, I just need more embryos.

QuoteI had no idea SM and Hicks were high-up lever pullers at Fox.

Funny about that...

Quote from: Huggs on Jul 11, 2017, 11:35:02 PM
"Recently, James Cameron said he isn't interested in the ALIEN franchise.

The same with David Fincher. ALI3NS was his first movie and Fincher hated the process. "


Indeed they did. I also remember scott saying the beast was cooked with an orange in its mouth. I also never thought I'd see another Alien film after resurrection. Stranger things have happened. Good gracious, I never thought Cameron would've gone goo-gaws over genisys.

It was just my opinion. I enjoy the dark and gritty/claustrophobic style of fincher's films, and I respect what he was trying to do with Alien 3. Ward's script was very interesting and I just think Fincher would be a good choice to do it. The same with Cameron doing Gibson's script, it's more suited to his talents. Cameron can do really big stuff, which is what's called for, and he made Aliens, which is good enough qualifications for me.

In the end, it doesn't much matter what gets made or doesn't get made from here. The first films gave most people exactly what they wanted, and the good movies that didn't get made are available to read, and that's enough to be thankful for.

In general, I agree with you.

But the ALIEN franchise is dying at the box office. ALIEN: COVENANT kind of flopped.

I really doubt A-Listers like JC and DF are interested in a dying franchise.

ROBIN HOOD(2010) flopped at the box office. I think that's the only reason why an A-Lister like Ridley Scott accepted the offer of PROMETHEUS(3D). Scott needed a return to Sci-Fi to regain some of his power and some of his money.

I think probably the best Fox could do is to move forward with Blomkamp's film, but to tie it into the prequel series in a way that doesn't spoil the next prequel, but rather acknowledges it and builds up excitement for it.  The simple way to do that is to leave Blomkamp's film on a cliffhanger which features David coming in at the very end of the film.  This would create interest for Ridley Scott's next prequel, without giving away anything that happens in it (other than David's survival), and it would also pave the way for a continuation of Blomkamp's film.

Which David? The original David or a clone of him made 200 years after his death for the sole purpose of recovering crucial information pertaining to the bonus situation?

Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 12, 2017, 06:12:24 PM
Which David? The original David or a clone of him made 200 years after his death for the sole purpose of recovering crucial information pertaining to the bonus situation?

LOL!  It's an android.  Or artificial person, what have you.  He gets to live forever.  It's literally the opposite of Bladerunner.  So he could show up at the  end of Blomkamp's film looking effectively like he did in Covenant.

The key with David showing up at the end of the film is that nothing David's story would be inconsequential for most of the film, which means that Ridley's Covenant sequel would not be spoiled.  But wouldn't it be amazing if at the end of Blomkamp's film a 10-foot tall David shows up looking like the engineer in Prometheus?  We wouldn't know the story of how he got that way until the Covenant sequel comes out.  That would also work nicely with the massive David statue from Covenant...

"But the ALIEN franchise is dying at the box office"

I agree with this position. I personally think it's because the prequels do not really play as alien films. They set off to do their own thing, which was admirable, but they did so with less-than-stellar writing. The idea of a city full of dead bodies sounds menacing, but a lush environment with mountains and rivers and a beautiful city doesn't really scream Alien. Taking the scariest creature ever to grace the dark and confined spaces on film, and drop them in wide-open territory, in plain view, and even in the daylight? It felt like the location for a Christopher Nolan film rather than Alien.

Not to Segway too far, but interestingly enough, I believe it was John Campbell, the author of "who goes there" (the short story that would later become "The Thing") who wrote another short story involving a team of scientists that land on a planet and discover a city full of dead humanoid beings who's bodies lay peaceful and intact. It is revealed that they committed mass suicide either due to, or to avoid death by infection from what was called "intelligent Microbes". These microbes would later infect the scientists, and are unknowingly carried back onto the ship, resulting in more casualties. I thought of this story often when watching covenant, and sometimes it did feel alittle too similar.

But yes, it's not looking good. I'm afraid the future of the franchise is pointing towards hibernation. I'm not ready to say the beast is on it's way to extinction, but if awakening is just more of the same, I do believe we're looking at 10+ years without a film. The question then becomes, what will bring it back? Perhaps a standalone film? Something like resurrection but without the character of ripley. Or the most unlikely option, a straight-up, no joke remake of the original film, with different actors, but the same characters, environment, and events. Blasphemy, I know.

Quote from: Huggs on Jul 12, 2017, 08:06:16 PM
"But the ALIEN franchise is dying at the box office"

I agree with this position. I personally think it's because the prequels do not really play as alien films. They set off to do their own thing, which was admirable, but they did so with less-than-stellar writing. The idea of a city full of dead bodies sounds menacing, but a lush environment with mountains and rivers and a beautiful city doesn't really scream Alien. Taking the scariest creature ever to grace the dark and confined spaces on film, and drop them in wide-open territory, in plain view, and even in the daylight? It felt like the location for a Christopher Nolan film rather than Alien.

Not to Segway too far, but interestingly enough, I believe it was John Campbell, the author of "who goes there" (the short story that would later become "The Thing") who wrote another short story involving a team of scientists that land on a planet and discover a city full of dead humanoid beings who's bodies lay peaceful and intact. It is revealed that they committed mass suicide either due to, or to avoid death by infection from what was called "intelligent Microbes". These microbes would later infect the scientists, and are unknowingly carried back onto the ship, resulting in more casualties. I thought of this story often when watching covenant, and sometimes it did feel alittle too similar.

But yes, it's not looking good. I'm afraid the future of the franchise is pointing towards hibernation. I'm not ready to say the beast is on it's way to extinction, but if awakening is just more of the same, I do believe we're looking at 10+ years without a film. The question then becomes, what will bring it back? Perhaps a standalone film? Something like resurrection but without the character of ripley. Or the most unlikely option, a straight-up, no joke remake of the original film, with different actors, but the same characters, environment, and events. Blasphemy, I know.

I stand by that the best option is to bring back Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and continue on a different tangent from where Aliens left off.  30 years later, I bet people would still love to see this story.  Whether it would live up to its expectations is another thing, but it would fill seats...

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 12, 2017, 09:39:29 PM
I stand by that the best option is to bring back Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and continue on a different tangent from where Aliens left off.  30 years later, I bet people would still love to see this story.  Whether it would live up to its expectations is another thing, but it would fill seats...

What the f**king f**k did I just read? That f**king triggered my PTSD mate. Prometheus and AC established a much wider scope for this franchise than Ripley and Co. shooting up bugs, why the f**k would you want to regress into nostalgia-pandering garbage? If we're talking about seats then why not just do a Batman vs Alien cross-over? Super-heroes are a guaranteed hit with nowadays youth.

"I stand by that the best option is to bring back Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and continue on a different tangent from where Aliens left off.  30 years later, I bet people would still love to see this story.  Whether it would live up to its expectations is another thing, but it would fill seats..."

No doubt. That is why I enjoy Gibson's script so much. It carried the story in what felt like (at least to me) the natural direction the franchise was heading. The main problem standing in the way is the age of the original actors. But I personally would be fine with casting younger (quality) actors such as Tom Hardy to play hicks, etc. Just don't let Jai Courtney within 1,000 light years of the darn thing. But it is an interesting thought, what could we be looking at once the prequels are over? I never thought we'd get prequels in the first place. Maybe something parallel to the original timeline but still unrelated to the Aliens per-se. Or will the spinoffs begin again? Alien Vs Terminator? AVPVT?

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"That f**king triggered my PTSD mate. Prometheus and AC established a much wider scope for this franchise",

Okay, Well, this is just my opinion, but the idea that a single android with a God complex is responsible for the creation of the Alien is not something I'd call universe expanding. It's something a certain amount of people saw coming even before the movie was released, and it's been divisive to say the least. And the space Jockey's existence was already known, so changing them to flawed humanoids only reduced the impact of their existence, not improved it. Again, that's merely my opinion, and no insult is implied.

"why the f**k would you want to regress into nostalgia-pandering garbage?"

Well, like they say, one mans trash is another mans treasure. Some people like the second movie a lot, and for them, the idea of making films more in that particular style sounds fun and exciting. It's just personal preference.

"why not just do a Batman vs Alien cross-over?"

I believe that's already been done. Just not on film. Regardless, I would see that movie. Bruce Wayne with and m4, clearing the halls of the GCPD to rescue Jim from the Hive. The tumbler tearing through the "Gigerfied" parking garage of Gotham General. Yes, I would see that movie, and I am not ashamed. :)

Quote from: Huggs on Jul 12, 2017, 10:36:04 PM
Okay, Well, this is just my opinion, but the idea that a single android with a God complex is responsible for the creation of the Alien is not something I'd call universe expanding. It's something a certain amount of people saw coming even before the movie was released, and it's been divisive to say the least. And the space Jockey's existence was already known, so changing them to flawed humanoids only reduced the impact of their existence, not improved it. Again, that's merely my opinion, and no insult is implied.

It's one link of a chain in a creation story. I get the thing about the Space Jockey, but some of Giger's art actually kind of already hinted a little bit in that direction https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/7/70/Giger016.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150109041555

QuoteI believe that's already been done. Just not on film. Regardless, I would see that movie. Bruce Wayne with and m4, clearing the halls of the GCPD to rescue Jim from the Hive. The tumbler tearing through the "Gigerfied" parking garage of Gotham General. Yes, I would see that movie, and I am not ashamed. :)

QuoteWell, like they say, one mans trash is another mans treasure.

That's for sure...

Quote

Well, like they say, one mans trash is another mans treasure.


"That's for sure..."



HAHA! But hey, it still wouldn't be as bad as the transformers movies. Gracious, you could get Jai Courtney to play batman and have Lady gaga play his mother who returned from the grave as a zombie to help him hunt the xenomorphs, and it still wouldn't be as bad as transformers, or D.O.J......gads! But that's what makes movies like music, paintings, or any other form of art, there's alittle something there for everybody to like.

Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 12, 2017, 10:21:46 PM

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 12, 2017, 09:39:29 PM
I stand by that the best option is to bring back Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and continue on a different tangent from where Aliens left off.  30 years later, I bet people would still love to see this story.  Whether it would live up to its expectations is another thing, but it would fill seats...

What the f**king f**k did I just read? That f**king triggered my PTSD mate. Prometheus and AC established a much wider scope for this franchise than Ripley and Co. shooting up bugs, why the f**k would you want to regress into nostalgia-pandering garbage? If we're talking about seats then why not just do a Batman vs Alien cross-over? Super-heroes are a guaranteed hit with nowadays youth.

Chill out bud.

No universe has been expanded with engineers.  If anything, it's compressed.  Nothing is alien anymore.

Quote from: misterx on Jul 09, 2017, 09:44:22 PM
I suspect what Ridley Scott really meant when he said there wasn't a script, was that there wasn't a script <he liked>. Keeping in mind the Robin Hood script fiasco, that wasn't necessarily a bad thing.

He actually said quite the opposite, not too long ago. Claimed that he'd read through the first draft and quite liked it.

Quote from: Kane's other son on Jul 10, 2017, 12:27:28 PM
Blomkamp was only interested in a copy of Aliens: Weaver & Michael Biehn, pulse rilfes, "retro" technology (which was not a stylistic choice back when the first two movies were made but a reflection of that era's design language and technological limitations), colonial marines fighting the alien queen.

It's a stale vision. Fanboyism.

Except that his favourite of the series is 'Alien', 'Alien Isolation' directly influenced the presentation style he would have used and he's been the only one, in interviews, to repeatedly give emphasis to the need for the series to return to themes of psychosexuality and Giger's biomechanical aesthetics (both of which were relatively absent from Scott's two recent offerings, to their unfortunate detriment). We also know he's been open about listening to the criticism of 'Elysium' and aims to specifically avoid the flaws in that production's creation (contrasted against Scott, who mentioned in a recent interview that he actively avoids paying attention to criticism, which means he's unable to learn from it).

All the indications we've had, thus far, were that it would have very much been the opposite of the kind of Michael Bay-alike explode-athon many uninformed detractors have been stereotyping it as. There would have undoubtedly been some spectacular visuals and some action sequences, but it's wrong to assume it wouldn't have carried its own share of cerebral weight.

Good film? Bad film? None of us can predict what it could have been, but by the same token, let's not falsely characterise it.

Quotecontrasted against Scott, who mentioned in a recent interview that he actively avoids paying attention to criticism, which means he's unable to learn from it

:laugh:

When a guy, who is 79, has made a couple of dozen movies, that have earned a few billion dollars, two of which are genre defining classics that are still influential decades later - I think he's earned the right to back himself.

...and then when he did breach his own ideals and listened to fans, what did we get?  We got that final act in 'ALIEN: Covenant' that heavily relied on the appearance of the Alien and it was the weakest part of the movie.

Let Scott make his movies the way he wants to.  I'm all for seeing what his unadulterated vision of the 'ALIEN' universe is like.  His was first, after all.

-Windebieste.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 12, 2017, 09:39:29 PM
I stand by that the best option is to bring back Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and continue on a different tangent from where Aliens left off.  30 years later, I bet people would still love to see this story.  Whether it would live up to its expectations is another thing, but it would fill seats...

lol

Just flat out ignoring Alien 3 is such a monumentally stupid idea, which raises unfortunate implications. Beginning a trend in Hollywood of ignoring plot lines of sequels that a fanboy director didn't like sets a dangerous precedent.

FFS what is so hard about making an Alien film without Ripley, Hicks, and Newt?

I would say that too, but it's too risky for the studio to a sequel to Alien 4.  The only option after the prequels are done is retcon.

Odd that Fox seemingly has so many 'only options'.

Quote from: Alionic on Jul 13, 2017, 03:21:52 AM

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 12, 2017, 09:39:29 PM
I stand by that the best option is to bring back Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and continue on a different tangent from where Aliens left off.  30 years later, I bet people would still love to see this story.  Whether it would live up to its expectations is another thing, but it would fill seats...

lol

Just flat out ignoring Alien 3 is such a monumentally stupid idea, which raises unfortunate implications. Beginning a trend in Hollywood of ignoring plot lines of sequels that a fanboy director didn't like sets a dangerous precedent.

FFS what is so hard about making an Alien film without Ripley, Hicks, and Newt?

Ask Ridley Scott.

Yeah, his last couple of efforts got decent reviews and turned a profit.

Quote from: SM on Jul 13, 2017, 05:00:52 AM
Odd that Fox seemingly has so many 'only options'.

Because of the financial risk.  Alien 4 did not perform well.  Why would they make a sequel?  And what other options do they have?

Sequel to Resurrection.
New version of Alien 3.
Sequel to Covenant.
New AvP film.
Midquel between Prometheus and Covenant.
Something else entirely.
Do nothing.

But according to number of people here, one particular course is the "only option".

Quote from: SM on Jul 13, 2017, 05:53:52 AM
Sequel to Resurrection.
New version of Alien 3.
Sequel to Covenant.
New AvP film.
Midquel between Prometheus and Covenant.
Something else entirely.
Do nothing.

But according to number of people here, one particular course is the "only option".

Midquel would confuse everyone. By everyone, I mean, general audiences.

They have 4 realistic options:

1.- Sequel to Covenant.

2.- New A versus P.

3.- Do nothing.

4.- ALIEN V with a different director. I read FOX liked Blomkamp's ideas but they don't have faith in him as Director.

I think he's using his Alien ideas on Oats Volume 1.  He's not one to throw ideas away.

Quote from: SM on Jul 12, 2017, 01:41:07 AM

QuoteI had no idea SM and Hicks were high-up lever pullers at Fox.

Funny about that...

SM, that's too cryptic for me! Did you guys mention this to your contacts? Sorry - I'm still only half way down my coffee...

Quote from: SM on Jul 13, 2017, 05:53:52 AM
Sequel to Resurrection.

A sequel to the under-performing film in the franchise.  Won't happen.

QuoteNew version of Alien 3.

Essentially a retcon.

QuoteSequel to Covenant.

Already being made.

QuoteNew AvP film.

After the last ones got such poor reviews?  Nope.

QuoteMidquel between Prometheus and Covenant.

That's likely to happen.  :P

QuoteSomething else entirely.

TV series/streaming.  Maybe.

QuoteDo nothing.

Not so long as money exists.

Quote

QuoteSequel to Resurrection.

A sequel to the under-performing film in the franchise.  Won't happen.

Unless it does.

QuoteNew version of Alien 3.

Essentially a retcon.

So it will happen if they want to.

Quote

QuoteSequel to Covenant.

Already being made.

And you know this how?

Quote

QuoteNew AvP film.

After the last ones got such poor reviews?  Nope,

unless they will

Quote

QuoteMidquel between Prometheus and Covenant.

That's likely to happen.  :P

you know this how again?

I doubt you have any authority on the matter...

But hey, if I am talking to the wallet of FOX... can we please have conclusions for the storylines in Aliens: Colonial Marines and Alien : Isolation first?

No? Well then... anything is possible then I guess... :P

Quote from: Scorpio on Jul 13, 2017, 08:43:04 AM

Quote from: SM on Jul 13, 2017, 05:53:52 AM
Sequel to Resurrection.

A sequel to the under-performing film in the franchise.  Won't happen.

QuoteNew version of Alien 3.

Essentially a retcon.

QuoteSequel to Covenant.

Already being made.

QuoteNew AvP film.

After the last ones got such poor reviews?  Nope.

QuoteMidquel between Prometheus and Covenant.

That's likely to happen.  :P

QuoteSomething else entirely.

TV series/streaming.  Maybe.

QuoteDo nothing.

Not so long as money exists.

All entirely besides the point.

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Quote from: Russ on Jul 13, 2017, 08:35:19 AM

Quote from: SM on Jul 12, 2017, 01:41:07 AM

QuoteI had no idea SM and Hicks were high-up lever pullers at Fox.

Funny about that...

SM, that's too cryptic for me! Did you guys mention this to your contacts? Sorry - I'm still only half way down my coffee...

Well I can't speak for Hicks, but I'm not even on the same continent as the lever, nevermind pulling it.

Haha, ok, cheers :-)

Studios are predictable because they just want money.  But yeah, anything is possible given enough time.  I am talking within the next 5-10 years, though.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 11, 2017, 04:30:49 PM
He's doing an AMA on Reddit this Thursday @ 9AM PST (4PM GMT). Why not ask him yourself?

https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/884793849423421440 (https://twitter.com/NeillBlomkamp/status/884793849423421440)

Looks like its 5pm BST. I was planning on asking about that original Alien concept and who he envisioned replacing Carrie Henn if 3.2 had been made.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/6n28se/i_am_neill_blomkamp_director_of_chappie_district/?st=j52mfoae&sh=9ec19656

Thread is here.

Ha, he's just getting bombarded with questions. No way to answer them all. We'll see if he mentions any more details with regards to Alien 3.2.

Wouldn't surprise me if he had Dakota Fanning in mind for Newt.

It's been 20 minutes and 2 answers so far.  :'(

Well, at least they're fairly substantial answers!  :laugh:

Quote from: SM on Jul 13, 2017, 10:27:16 AM
Well I can't speak for Hicks, but I'm not even on the same continent as the lever, nevermind pulling it.

Bah, we all know you have Rupert's ear.

And I'm sure Hicks can manage to pull a lever despite the inconvenience of wearing a straight-jacket.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 13, 2017, 04:16:06 PM
Ha, he's just getting bombarded with questions. No way to answer them all. We'll see if he mentions any more details with regards to Alien 3.2.

Wouldn't surprise me if he had Dakota Fanning in mind for Newt.

Has anyone asked him about Turk yet?

That's your job Local.

You gotta ask him how he incorporated elements of Colonial Marine into the retcon.

Instead of pouring all his energy into making a sequel to a movie that already got a sequel, why doesn't he give us a sequel to his best movie instead?

And create a role so good that Daniel Day-Lewis would come out of retirement to play it.

Lovin' NB's responses on the Reddit AMA! 

First mention of Alien 3.2

Quote from: Neill Blomkampso i knew i would get asked about this. i have answered it in press as honestly as i can. I will try and clear it up. The film is basically dead. No signs of life. I wish I could have made the film with Sigourney. It does not appear to be happening, or will ever happen.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2017, 04:48:42 PM
Instead of pouring all his energy into making a sequel to a movie that already got a sequel, why doesn't he give us a sequel to his best movie instead?

He's already answered that one.  :P

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 13, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
First mention of Alien 3.2

Quote from: Neill Blomkampso i knew i would get asked about this. i have answered it in press as honestly as i can. I will try and clear it up. The film is basically dead. No signs of life. I wish I could have made the film with Sigourney. It does not appear to be happening, or will ever happen.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2017, 04:48:42 PM
Instead of pouring all his energy into making a sequel to a movie that already got a sequel, why doesn't he give us a sequel to his best movie instead?

He's already answered that one.  :P

Yeah, District 9 "needs" a sequel (or prequel).

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I stand by that the best option is to bring back Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and continue on a different tangent from where Aliens left off.  30 years later, I bet people would still love to see this story.  Whether it would live up to its expectations is another thing, but it would fill seats...

lol

Just flat out ignoring Alien 3 is such a monumentally stupid idea, which raises unfortunate implications. Beginning a trend in Hollywood of ignoring plot lines of sequels that a fanboy director didn't like sets a dangerous precedent.

FFS what is so hard about making an Alien film without Ripley, Hicks, and Newt?

Ask Ridley Scott.

I was referring to Blomkamp, dummy.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 13, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
First mention of Alien 3.2

Quote from: Neill Blomkampso i knew i would get asked about this. i have answered it in press as honestly as i can. I will try and clear it up. The film is basically dead. No signs of life. I wish I could have made the film with Sigourney. It does not appear to be happening, or will ever happen.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2017, 04:48:42 PM
Instead of pouring all his energy into making a sequel to a movie that already got a sequel, why doesn't he give us a sequel to his best movie instead?

He's already answered that one.  :P

Maybe FOX don't want Sigourney Weaver as the lead.

It's common with very old men: Harrison Ford, Sylvester Stallone, etc....

But I NEVER saw a big movie with an old woman(Sigourney Weaver) as the lead.

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Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 13, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
First mention of Alien 3.2

Quote from: Neill Blomkampso i knew i would get asked about this. i have answered it in press as honestly as i can. I will try and clear it up. The film is basically dead. No signs of life. I wish I could have made the film with Sigourney. It does not appear to be happening, or will ever happen.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2017, 04:48:42 PM
Instead of pouring all his energy into making a sequel to a movie that already got a sequel, why doesn't he give us a sequel to his best movie instead?

He's already answered that one.  :P

Maybe FOX don't want Sigourney Weaver as the lead.

It's common with very old men: Harrison Ford, Sylvester Stallone, etc....

But I NEVER saw a big movie with an old woman(Sigourney Weaver) as the lead.

Well it's about time!

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First mention of Alien 3.2

Quote from: Neill Blomkampso i knew i would get asked about this. i have answered it in press as honestly as i can. I will try and clear it up. The film is basically dead. No signs of life. I wish I could have made the film with Sigourney. It does not appear to be happening, or will ever happen.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2017, 04:48:42 PM
Instead of pouring all his energy into making a sequel to a movie that already got a sequel, why doesn't he give us a sequel to his best movie instead?

He's already answered that one.  :P

Maybe FOX don't want Sigourney Weaver as the lead.

It's common with very old men: Harrison Ford, Sylvester Stallone, etc....

But I NEVER saw a big movie with an old woman(Sigourney Weaver) as the lead.

Well it's about time!

It's doubtful. Hollywood was and is sexist.

It's impossible a 70-80 million dollar film about a 70 year old woman(Sigourney Weaver).

Quote from: PierreVW on Jul 14, 2017, 12:07:16 AM

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First mention of Alien 3.2

Quote from: Neill Blomkampso i knew i would get asked about this. i have answered it in press as honestly as i can. I will try and clear it up. The film is basically dead. No signs of life. I wish I could have made the film with Sigourney. It does not appear to be happening, or will ever happen.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2017, 04:48:42 PM
Instead of pouring all his energy into making a sequel to a movie that already got a sequel, why doesn't he give us a sequel to his best movie instead?

He's already answered that one.  :P

Maybe FOX don't want Sigourney Weaver as the lead.

It's common with very old men: Harrison Ford, Sylvester Stallone, etc....

But I NEVER saw a big movie with an old woman(Sigourney Weaver) as the lead.

Well it's about time!

It's doubtful. Hollywood was and is sexist.

It's impossible a 70-80 million dollar film about a 70 year old woman(Sigourney Weaver).

I actually think Sigourney Weaver could be the exception to the rule.  People would come out to see that movie.  Especially with the dynamic of Hicks and Newt in tow?  Gangbusters!

I hope Blomkamp never lives this down, it seems that every time he makes something half decent, hardcore  Aliens fans will claim he would have made an amazing film. He's going to be asked about it in every interview from here to kingdom come.

It's called Karma, bitch. Reap it.

You tried your hand and failed.

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First mention of Alien 3.2

Quote from: Neill Blomkampso i knew i would get asked about this. i have answered it in press as honestly as i can. I will try and clear it up. The film is basically dead. No signs of life. I wish I could have made the film with Sigourney. It does not appear to be happening, or will ever happen.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 13, 2017, 04:48:42 PM
Instead of pouring all his energy into making a sequel to a movie that already got a sequel, why doesn't he give us a sequel to his best movie instead?

He's already answered that one.  :P

Maybe FOX don't want Sigourney Weaver as the lead.

It's common with very old men: Harrison Ford, Sylvester Stallone, etc....

But I NEVER saw a big movie with an old woman(Sigourney Weaver) as the lead.

Well it's about time!

It's doubtful. Hollywood was and is sexist.

It's impossible a 70-80 million dollar film about a 70 year old woman(Sigourney Weaver).

I actually think Sigourney Weaver could be the exception to the rule.  People would come out to see that movie.  Especially with the dynamic of Hicks and Newt in tow?  Gangbusters!

Maybe if they got a really famous and current star. Someone like Jennifer Lawrence.

FOX doesn't have faith in NB and 2 really old actors: SW and Hicks.

Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Jul 13, 2017, 04:58:40 PM
First mention of Alien 3.2

Quote from: Neill Blomkampso i knew i would get asked about this. i have answered it in press as honestly as i can. I will try and clear it up. The film is basically dead. No signs of life. I wish I could have made the film with Sigourney. It does not appear to be happening, or will ever happen.

And only, from the looks of it. That's a shame. I was really hoping to learn more.

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Quote from: PierreVW on Jul 14, 2017, 12:07:16 AM

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2017, 12:03:14 AM

Quote from: PierreVW on Jul 13, 2017, 08:03:48 PM

Maybe FOX don't want Sigourney Weaver as the lead.

It's common with very old men: Harrison Ford, Sylvester Stallone, etc....

But I NEVER saw a big movie with an old woman(Sigourney Weaver) as the lead.

Well it's about time!

It's doubtful. Hollywood was and is sexist.

It's impossible a 70-80 million dollar film about a 70 year old woman(Sigourney Weaver).

I actually think Sigourney Weaver could be the exception to the rule.  People would come out to see that movie.  Especially with the dynamic of Hicks and Newt in tow?  Gangbusters!

Maybe if they got a really famous and current star. Someone like Jennifer Lawrence.

FOX doesn't have faith in NB and 2 really old actors: SW and Hicks.

That's probably the answer: casting someone young(ish) and hot as Newt, or a new main character.

It's exactly what they're doing with Blade Runner - Harrison Ford isn't expected to carry the box office, so they've cast irritating superhunk Ryan Gosling to fill out the posters.

Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Jul 14, 2017, 01:39:30 AM
I hope Blomkamp never lives this down, it seems that every time he makes something half decent, hardcore  Aliens fans will claim he would have made an amazing film. He's going to be asked about it in every interview from here to kingdom come.

It's called Karma, bitch. Reap it.

You tried your hand and failed.

Well someones upset

Must've woke up on the wrong side of the bed...   :(   Blomkamp has nothing to live down.  And I'd say he's reaping exactly what he's sown: consistent fan attention for his artful storytelling.  By getting asked about Alien 5 "in every interview from here to kingdom come" is like free publicity, innit?   ;D

Quote from: FenGiddel on Jul 14, 2017, 02:13:21 PM
Must've woke up on the wrong side of the bed...   :(

In his case I think it's the wrong side of the box.  :laugh:

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 14, 2017, 07:24:37 AM
And only, from the looks of it. That's a shame. I was really hoping to learn more.

Yeah, unfortunately that was all he mentioned.

Oh ye of little faith!   ;)   We all thought Spock was dead back in 1982...and he came back with a vengeance!   ;D   Of course, that may be a little before some of this bunch's time...

Quote from: FenGiddel on Jul 14, 2017, 02:13:21 PM
Must've woke up on the wrong side of the bed...   :(   Blomkamp has nothing to live down.  And I'd say he's reaping exactly what he's sown: consistent fan attention for his artful storytelling.  By getting asked about Alien 5 "in every interview from here to kingdom come" is like free publicity, innit?   ;D

Yah, in time they will be making a documentary entitled Blomkamp's Alien.  The best sci-fi film never made.  This film has just gone to martyr status.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2017, 05:00:17 PM

Quote from: FenGiddel on Jul 14, 2017, 02:13:21 PM
Must've woke up on the wrong side of the bed...   :(   Blomkamp has nothing to live down.  And I'd say he's reaping exactly what he's sown: consistent fan attention for his artful storytelling.  By getting asked about Alien 5 "in every interview from here to kingdom come" is like free publicity, innit?   ;D

Yah, in time they will be making a documentary entitled Blomkamp's Alien.  The best sci-fi film never made.  This film has just gone to martyr status.

The best sci-fi movie never made is Jodorowsky's DUNE, and there is a documentary about it.

Blomkamp's ALIENS 2 is just glorified fan-fiction meant to please ALIENS fans and Cameronites.

Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jul 14, 2017, 05:14:27 PM

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2017, 05:00:17 PM

Quote from: FenGiddel on Jul 14, 2017, 02:13:21 PM
Must've woke up on the wrong side of the bed...   :(   Blomkamp has nothing to live down.  And I'd say he's reaping exactly what he's sown: consistent fan attention for his artful storytelling.  By getting asked about Alien 5 "in every interview from here to kingdom come" is like free publicity, innit?   ;D

Yah, in time they will be making a documentary entitled Blomkamp's Alien.  The best sci-fi film never made.  This film has just gone to martyr status.

The best sci-fi movie never made is Jodorowsky's DUNE, and there is a documentary about it.

Blomkamp's ALIENS 2 is just glorified fan-fiction meant to please ALIENS fans and Cameronites.

Alien 3 fans have such a disdain for Aliens and Cameron...I don't understand it but I find it hilarious.

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2017, 05:00:17 PM

Quote from: FenGiddel on Jul 14, 2017, 02:13:21 PM
Must've woke up on the wrong side of the bed...   :(   Blomkamp has nothing to live down.  And I'd say he's reaping exactly what he's sown: consistent fan attention for his artful storytelling.  By getting asked about Alien 5 "in every interview from here to kingdom come" is like free publicity, innit?   ;D

Yah, in time they will be making a documentary entitled Blomkamp's Alien.  The best sci-fi film never made.  This film has just gone to martyr status.

LOL. The ironic thing is it's painfully clear that Jodorowsky's  Dune would've been f**king GARBAGE. Thankfully, the good elements were salvaged to  make good movies.
I'm pretty sure people will start to appreciate AC more in the future. I can easily imagine some rabid Alien 5 "fanboy" of today turning 20 in a couple of years and realizing that "Wait a minute, this movie is actually good and has a lot of depth. I guess the I got caught up in the social media frenzy. Lesson learned: the highest upvoted comment is by no means necessarily the most correct comment. I will now have a more open mindset free of social media bias when viewing cinematic art in the future."

At the same time though, I truly hope this Alien 5 thing turns into a meme to haunt Blomkamp forever. Just imagine 20 years into the future, Blomkamp has just released the third part in his District 9 saga which is exactly the same thing as the first one except now the main character is a South African rapper with progeria whose best friend is a conscious  robot Walrus, trying to both fight social injustice and his rapid ageing at the same time. During the highly anticipated premier, Blomkamp is interviewed about the movie. The interview goes well, asking about the movie and the production hurtles etc. until the very last question, which would go something like this:
"District 11 has been quite an anticipated movie, but I think I speak for most people when I say that what the fans really  want is Alien 5. Are there any plans to resurrect this movie? *Editors note: De-aging the now 90 year old Sigourney Weaver in a respectable way is now technologically feasible*
Neill Blomkamp's face starts reddening, he stammers something which slightly resembles curses directed toward the now deceased Ridley Scott (may peace be upon him) before fleeing the scene with tears rolling down his cheeks.

That's filthy, tleilaxu...

Quote from: JokersWarPig on Jul 14, 2017, 05:19:13 PM

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Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 14, 2017, 05:00:17 PM

Quote from: FenGiddel on Jul 14, 2017, 02:13:21 PM
Must've woke up on the wrong side of the bed...   :(   Blomkamp has nothing to live down.  And I'd say he's reaping exactly what he's sown: consistent fan attention for his artful storytelling.  By getting asked about Alien 5 "in every interview from here to kingdom come" is like free publicity, innit?   ;D

Yah, in time they will be making a documentary entitled Blomkamp's Alien.  The best sci-fi film never made.  This film has just gone to martyr status.

The best sci-fi movie never made is Jodorowsky's DUNE, and there is a documentary about it.

Blomkamp's ALIENS 2 is just glorified fan-fiction meant to please ALIENS fans and Cameronites.

Alien 3 fans have such a disdain for Aliens and Cameron...I don't understand it but I find it hilarious.

Actually, I have no disdain for ALIENS and Cameron. I have disdain for the hype, over-appreciation and god status.

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Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 14, 2017, 05:51:00 PM
LOL. The ironic thing is it's painfully clear that Jodorowsky's  Dune would've been f**king GARBAGE.

I guess I was too subtle in my sarcasm...

QuoteI'm pretty sure people will start to appreciate AC more in the future. I can easily imagine some rabid Alien 5 "fanboy" of today turning 20 in a couple of years and realizing that "Wait a minute, this movie is actually good and has a lot of depth. I guess the I got caught up in the social media frenzy. Lesson learned: the highest upvoted comment is by no means necessarily the most correct comment. I will now have a more open mindset free of social media bias when viewing cinematic art in the future."

Probably.

QuoteAt the same time though, I truly hope this Alien 5 thing turns into a meme to haunt Blomkamp forever. Just imagine 20 years into the future, Blomkamp has just released the third part in his District 9 saga which is exactly the same thing as the first one except now the main character is a South African rapper with progeria whose best friend is a conscious  robot Walrus, trying to both fight social injustice and his rapid ageing at the same time. During the highly anticipated premier, Blomkamp is interviewed about the movie. The interview goes well, asking about the movie and the production hurtles etc. until the very last question, which would go something like this:
"District 11 has been quite an anticipated movie, but I think I speak for most people when I say that what the fans really  want is Alien 5. Are there any plans to resurrect this movie? *Editors note: De-aging the now 90 year old Sigourney Weaver in a respectable way is now technologically feasible*
Neill Blomkamp's face starts reddening, he stammers something which slightly resembles curses directed toward the now deceased Ridley Scott (may peace be upon him) before fleeing the scene with tears rolling down his cheeks.

8)

Alien 1979    "Space Truckers finding Darelect and encountering the Alien"
Aliens 1986    "Ripley and Space Marines return to LV-426 and fight more Aliens"
Alien 3 1992    "Weyland-Yutani brings Aliens back to Earth!"
Alien 4 1997    "Finding the Alien Homeworld and wiping them out once and for all!"
Alien 5 2001    "Alien prequel that features xenomorphs' origins and the Space Jockey race"

That's all I ever wanted as a fan of the Alien Saga

Quote from: FHGD on Jul 14, 2017, 06:31:08 PM
Alien 1979    "Space Truckers finding Darelect and encountering the Alien"
Aliens 1986    "Ripley and Space Marines return to LV-426 and fight more Aliens"
Alien 3 1992    "Weyland-Yutani brings Aliens back to Earth!"
Alien 4 1997    "Finding the Alien Homeworld and wiping them out once and for all!"
Alien 5 2001    "Alien prequel that features xenomorphs' origins and the Space Jockey race"

That's all I ever wanted as a fan of the Alien Saga

Well said

Quote from: Tonyhartmorph on Jul 14, 2017, 01:39:30 AM
I hope Blomkamp never lives this down, it seems that every time he makes something half decent, hardcore  Aliens fans will claim he would have made an amazing film. He's going to be asked about it in every interview from here to kingdom come.

It's called Karma, bitch. Reap it.

You tried your hand and failed.

HUH???

A lot of lunatics out in the world...

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Quote from: FHGD on Jul 14, 2017, 06:31:08 PM
Alien 1979    "Space Truckers finding Darelect and encountering the Alien"
Aliens 1986    "Ripley and Space Marines return to LV-426 and fight more Aliens"
Alien 3 1992    "Weyland-Yutani brings Aliens back to Earth!"
Alien 4 1997    "Finding the Alien Homeworld and wiping them out once and for all!"
Alien 5 2001    "Alien prequel that features xenomorphs' origins and the Space Jockey race"

That's all I ever wanted as a fan of the Alien Saga

Oh my god. You nailed it. We could've been done. That sequence of films would've been amazing.

Don't ever forget that this is all the fault of Alien 3. The franchise arguably has STILL not recovered.

Quote from: FHGD on Jul 14, 2017, 06:31:08 PM
Alien 1979    "Space Truckers finding Darelect and encountering the Alien"
Aliens 1986    "Ripley and Space Marines return to LV-426 and fight more Aliens"
Alien 3 1992    "Weyland-Yutani brings Aliens back to Earth!"
Alien 4 1997    "Finding the Alien Homeworld and wiping them out once and for all!"
Alien 5 2001    "Alien prequel that features xenomorphs' origins and the Space Jockey race"

That's all I ever wanted as a fan of the Alien Saga

That's what it was supposed to be. We all know it :(

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Quote from: FenGiddel on Jul 14, 2017, 02:13:21 PM
Must've woke up on the wrong side of the bed...   :(   Blomkamp has nothing to live down.  And I'd say he's reaping exactly what he's sown: consistent fan attention for his artful storytelling.  By getting asked about Alien 5 "in every interview from here to kingdom come" is like free publicity, innit?   ;D

Yah, in time they will be making a documentary entitled Blomkamp's Alien.  The best sci-fi film never made.  This film has just gone to martyr status.

The best sci-fi movie never made is Jodorowsky's DUNE, and there is a documentary about it.

Blomkamp's ALIENS 2 is just glorified fan-fiction meant to please ALIENS fans and Cameronites.

Alien 3 fans have such a disdain for Aliens and Cameron...I don't understand it but I find it hilarious.

Actually, I have no disdain for ALIENS and Cameron. I have disdain for the hype, over-appreciation and god status.

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Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 14, 2017, 05:51:00 PM
LOL. The ironic thing is it's painfully clear that Jodorowsky's  Dune would've been f**king GARBAGE.

I guess I was too subtle in my sarcasm...

QuoteI'm pretty sure people will start to appreciate AC more in the future. I can easily imagine some rabid Alien 5 "fanboy" of today turning 20 in a couple of years and realizing that "Wait a minute, this movie is actually good and has a lot of depth. I guess the I got caught up in the social media frenzy. Lesson learned: the highest upvoted comment is by no means necessarily the most correct comment. I will now have a more open mindset free of social media bias when viewing cinematic art in the future."

Probably.

QuoteAt the same time though, I truly hope this Alien 5 thing turns into a meme to haunt Blomkamp forever. Just imagine 20 years into the future, Blomkamp has just released the third part in his District 9 saga which is exactly the same thing as the first one except now the main character is a South African rapper with progeria whose best friend is a conscious  robot Walrus, trying to both fight social injustice and his rapid ageing at the same time. During the highly anticipated premier, Blomkamp is interviewed about the movie. The interview goes well, asking about the movie and the production hurtles etc. until the very last question, which would go something like this:
"District 11 has been quite an anticipated movie, but I think I speak for most people when I say that what the fans really  want is Alien 5. Are there any plans to resurrect this movie? *Editors note: De-aging the now 90 year old Sigourney Weaver in a respectable way is now technologically feasible*
Neill Blomkamp's face starts reddening, he stammers something which slightly resembles curses directed toward the now deceased Ridley Scott (may peace be upon him) before fleeing the scene with tears rolling down his cheeks.

8)

I agree 100%.

In a funny note:

I think We(the fanboys of ALIEN and ALI3NS) care about this way more than David Fincher.

Fincher hates ALI3NS and hated the process. He doesn't give a damn if NB and FOX erased ALI3NS from History.

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Quote from: FHGD on Jul 14, 2017, 06:31:08 PM
Alien 1979    "Space Truckers finding Darelect and encountering the Alien"
Aliens 1986    "Ripley and Space Marines return to LV-426 and fight more Aliens"
Alien 3 1992    "Weyland-Yutani brings Aliens back to Earth!"
Alien 4 1997    "Finding the Alien Homeworld and wiping them out once and for all!"
Alien 5 2001    "Alien prequel that features xenomorphs' origins and the Space Jockey race"

That's all I ever wanted as a fan of the Alien Saga

Oh my god. You nailed it. We could've been done. That sequence of films would've been amazing.

Don't ever forget that this is all the fault of Alien 3. The franchise arguably has STILL not recovered.

You're both right. I know SpreadEagleBeagle will be angry - but as good (with the obligatory "yet flawed") a film as AL III EN is... it f**ked everything up in terms of future movies. No one really liked it at the time, most people STILL don't like it (OK - prefer it, I like it, but I wish that it didn't exist). The sequence above would have been entirely satisfying - and maybe even would't have relied on Ripley being in it at all after Aliens.

Yes, i suspect most people still don't like Alien 3.  We have a very tiny cross-section of people on here who are hard-core fans of the series and therefore embraced Alien 3.  The casual fans of the series or the people for whom the series had broad appeal have long gone.  That is Alien 3's fault.

People wanted a dark Swiss Family Robinson in space after Aliens.  That's basically the direction that film took the series in.  People wanted the series to be based on certain beloved characters and not just about alien creatures with no personality.  They are alligators for all intents and purposes...

I find it funny how some of you guys defend AC and say how alien 5 would have been stupid...did you even watch AC ??? did I see a different version... not only was AC stupid..it was a bad movie and RIdley scott is not a legend... he has tenure but that doesn't make  you a legend.... Spielberg is a legend..... don't confuse the too

Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Jul 15, 2017, 03:01:13 PM
Yes, i suspect most people still don't like Alien 3.  We have a very tiny cross-section of people on here who are hard-core fans of the series and therefore embraced Alien 3.  The casual fans of the series or the people for whom the series had broad appeal have long gone.  That is Alien 3's fault.

People wanted a dark Swiss Family Robinson in space after Aliens.  That's basically the direction that film took the series in.  People wanted the series to be based on certain beloved characters and not just about alien creatures with no personality.  They are alligators for all intents and purposes...

Folks on both sides think they speak for the broader fanbase, its pretty funny.

It would be much better if people simply stated their own opinions and wants for this series without trying to attach them to the the rest of the community.

Just about everyone here has their own personal spin on what they like and want to see from this franchise.

Personally a "dark swiss family robinson in space" sounds absolutely terrible in regards to this universe. But hey, to each their own.

Quote from: darkvegetto on Jul 15, 2017, 03:03:02 PM
I find it funny how some of you guys defend AC and say how alien 5 would have been stupid...did you even watch AC ??? did I see a different version... not only was AC stupid..it was a bad movie and RIdley scott is not a legend... he has tenure but that doesn't make  you a legend.... Spielberg is a legend..... don't confuse the too

All your opinion I guess.

I enjoyed A:C well enough and I think Ridley has earned his status as a top film maker.

I have no problem with Blomkamp doing an Alien film, it would probably be pretty cool. I just don't want to see Ripley, Hicks, and Newt brought back just because.

Quote from: Russ on Jul 15, 2017, 12:09:07 PM
You're both right. I know SpreadEagleBeagle will be angry - but as good (with the obligatory "yet flawed") a film as AL III EN is... it f**ked everything up in terms of future movies. No one really liked it at the time, most people STILL don't like it (OK - prefer it, I like it, but I wish that it didn't exist). The sequence above would have been entirely satisfying - and maybe even would't have relied on Ripley being in it at all after Aliens.

I'd say Alien Resurrection f**ked up everyth using.  Alien 3 merely gave us an ending to Ripley's story.

Had they started to make Sigourney-less Alien films starting with Alien 4, yeah, we might not be having a problem. But alas...

Alien 3 and 4 suck donkey balls.

Still not as bad as AVP / AVPR & Prometheus. I would watch A3-AC and AR above all those any day of the week.

Quote from: Hemi on Jul 17, 2017, 06:38:30 AM
Still not as bad as AVP / AVPR & Prometheus. I would watch A3-AC and AR above all those any day of the week.

I disagree.

I love PROMETHEUS. I even like AVP(Paul WS Anderson).

I think the only REALLY BAD/AWFUL movie is AvP: Requiem.