I feel for the devs having to redo the game over and over. Would've been a nightmare. It's not for naught though; I for one still cherish this game despite its flaws. It's dark visuals, sound, atmosphere and progression is all terrific.
Also funny the analog controls got slammed back then but then they became the norm for FPS games. I think most people didn't even have analog controllers yet when this came out, so there was a bunch of people probably trying to push shit up a hill with this game using the d-pad and bumpers.
ooo I'll be checking this out later!
I enjoy Matt's "What Happened?" series.
Resurrection isn't as hard as some people make it out to be. The biggest mistakes a lot of people make, I've noticed, are not utilizing the pistol and the flamethrower properly. Flamethrower and pistol are primarily good for destroying eggs. If you take your time and aim right you can kill the facehugger as it hatches out of the egg. The flamethrower will scramble the eggs before they can even hatch. It's also really good for dealing with facehuggers... Don't waste the ammo of adult aliens, though.
Any time you flip a switch, pick up a key item, quick turn. You're going to get attacked. Aliens do not like player progression.
Hiveseeker used to have a great guide for the game. I can't remember if it was just Alien Trilogy, or this game as well, but with one of the games you can cheese the pick ups somehow to get a huge amount of ammo.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Oct 07, 2022, 06:50:40 PMHiveseeker used to have a great guide for the game. I can't remember if it was just Alien Trilogy, or this game as well, but with one of the games you can cheese the pick ups somehow to get a huge amount of ammo.
Oh my god, it's gone. That site was still around til very recently, and yes it was both games.
I still can't believe that dual analog was used for this game a full year ahead of Halo's release.
As a consequence makes it easier to go back to than contemporaries of the time.
Depends how ancient you are tbh. Mashing the D pad is still more intuitive than the sticks to my muscle memory, even though it's crude, stupid and obsolete.
I remember playing it using the d-pad and it felt pretty robotic and horrible, especially after using mouse and keyboard for PC games, but for console FPS games it was just normal at the time. The more you played it, though, you kinda adapted and compensated yourself for the bad control.
The other problem was switching between weapons and using items - I think you had to hold down a different button and keep hitting the bumpers to scroll through each thing. This system was brutally awkward/frustrating when you quickly needed a health pack while being chased by aliens.
Using the D-pad on Resurrection is basically impossible. You *need* to be able to aim. The only way to do that is with the Dual Analog system.
As to using items and such... You just have to change your way of thinking there. You don't heal mid-combat. You fight, then you address your wounds. The Aliens are just too fast to try and multi-task on that front, and the humans will take away the health as quick as you try to restore it.
I finished the game the first time I played with D-pad. Back then it was all I knew.
Love this game. I need to replay soon
I played the shit out of AREs back in the day. I know there is still a significant portion of people who would've preferred the top third person view, but the Alien series just works better in FPS.
It was nothing like the movie, which is good or bad depending on your taste, but had its own unique vibe. Kind of like the OG Alien Trilogy game.
I always thought the most humorous thing was that they got the actors of the movie to do voice overs for the game, and aside from Father's voice over, the rest of them just said aaaaggghhg, ooooffff, wwwwwaaaggghh when taking damage.
I think the problem is that they created too many complications, e.g., had to bring back Weaver with a clone storyline, brought in scientists, mercs, and the military, and then mixed them with the clone, aliens, alien nests, and hybrids.
Somebody didn't read the thread, just the title.
Middling game based on a less-than-middling movie.
You really ought to watch the actual video to contribute anything meaningful to this conversation.
I doubt he would contribute much meaningful even if he did.
Not sure how new or old this information is, but I thought I'd share anyway..
https://www.gamesradar.com/after-23-years-developer-reveals-he-snuck-a-cheat-code-past-sony-that-turns-a-cult-classic-horror-game-into-a-godsend-for-retro-enthusiasts/
Wow, the history of game development can be so interesting honestly. Cool find!
One of my Alien gaming biggest achievements is completing this on "Hard" back in 2018.
Really loved it, and hoping for some kind of remaster, perhaps by Nightdive Studios.
News like this is only good for the game.
Unfortunately I never did get this game when it was released, heared mixed things about it though. such as the "issue" of the controller setup which has now become commonplace in video games.
From the videos I have viewed, it had a neat concept that getting hugged wasn't instant death. You could actually remove the chestburster before it killed you. I'm not sure if any other game did that, I might be wrong though since I have yet to play Dark Descent.
Yeah, the "chestburster removal" concept is very contradictory in the EU.
It's also in Dark Descent, although I usually just reload after it happens and don't take the perk.
Quote from: Wweyland on Jan 01, 2024, 11:33:00 AMYeah, the "chestburster removal" concept is very contradictory in the EU.
It's also in Dark Descent, although I usually just reload after it happens and don't take the perk.
Though I'm not keen on 'Alien Resurrection' (the movie) as an Alien film, I'll give it a pass on the chestburster removal on account that Number 8 is a hybrid, so kind of makes sense. And at that point, chestburster removal seemed to be possible, as far as suggested by Alien 3 - (granted, unconfirmed). Besides, the EU stuff post-Prometheus changed the hugger from laying an embryo to squirting pathogen that poisons/infects the host and forms an embryo I believe? (I prefer the original method myself). 😊
You should read The Cold Forge.
That is a great novel for sure, I reread it a few times. It introduces the concept (or at least gives name for it and clarifies what it is) of the hugger injecting a form of the pathogen, rather than a cancerous growth or embryos.
In recent years I have had mixed feelings about that concept. I mean it does explain how the chesburster grows in the chest cavity, since there is no way an embryo can be placed there throguh the mouth. Unless it somehow burrows through the stomach and/or esophagus wall.
There are easy ways to inject an embryo into the chest cavity.
She 'squirting' concept was around for a very long time in fan circles before The Cold Forge, since the science of how that all worked was never detailed.
I know there have been many theories involving viral, bacterial and cancerous growths, all of which can explain why the chestburster is sitting in the chest cavity, because it is grown there.
The problem with the embryo theory is that as a solid mass that is deposited into the host's throat, it has no where to go but to the stomach. I am not the best when it comes to biology but the esophagus doesn't have anything leads into the chest, unless I am missing something.
Quote from: SM on Jan 01, 2024, 09:30:39 PMShe 'squirting' concept was around for a very long time in fan circles before The Cold Forge, since the science of how that all worked was never detailed.
First time I ever saw it was on The Anchorpoint Essays many yonks ago.
Spoiler
Did I use "yonks" correctly?
Quote from: The Cruentus on Jan 01, 2024, 09:52:36 PMI know there have been many theories involving viral, bacterial and cancerous growths, all of which can explain why the chestburster is sitting in the chest cavity, because it is grown there.
The problem with the embryo theory is that as a solid mass that is deposited into the host's throat, it has no where to go but to the stomach. I am not the best when it comes to biology but the esophagus doesn't have anything leads into the chest, unless I am missing something.
All the hugger would have to do is use a proboscis like organ (like a mosquito) to pierce the esophagus and deposit a tiny embryo.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 01, 2024, 10:33:09 PMQuote from: SM on Jan 01, 2024, 09:30:39 PMShe 'squirting' concept was around for a very long time in fan circles before The Cold Forge, since the science of how that all worked was never detailed.
First time I ever saw it was on The Anchorpoint Essays many yonks ago.
Spoiler
Did I use "yonks" correctly?
Yonks requires no quantitative adjective.
Hasn't cold forges idea essentially been around going all the way back to Gibson's screenplays?
There is a scene where the show Alien DNA interacting with human tissue I think, but I don't remember if it's in the context of forming a chestburster or The Change (TM).
It is definitely not a Chestburster.
Quote from: SM on Jan 03, 2024, 11:12:49 PMThere is a scene where the show Alien DNA interacting with human tissue I think, but I don't remember if it's in the context of forming a chestburster or The Change (TM).
Is it this?
QuoteThe alien form makes contact with the human DNA. The transformation is shockingly swift, but its stages can still be followed: the thing seems to pull itself into and through the coils, and for an instant the two are meshed, locked, and then the final stage. A new shape glows, a hybrid; the green and red beads have been altered beyond recognition.
FOX
Like a high-speed viral takeover...! What's the real-time duration on this, Trent?
TULLY
(from the shadows beyond the glowing cube)
That was it. What you see is what you get. That's how fast it is...
I seemed to remember them exploiting whatever made the Aliens growth so virulent in the Gibson screenplay, by dismissing the egg and using spores. That is probably another reason why I never was impressed with Prometheus............because I'd read that idea already in the universe a decade before its release in those scripts. The origin is different, but the idea is the same.
I got about a third of the way through the Alien 3 Gibson novelization, maybe its time to finish it.
If you've seen the Special Edition then that's pretty much the novelisation.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 04, 2024, 01:14:25 AMQuote from: SM on Jan 03, 2024, 11:12:49 PMThere is a scene where the show Alien DNA interacting with human tissue I think, but I don't remember if it's in the context of forming a chestburster or The Change (TM).
Is it this?
QuoteThe alien form makes contact with the human DNA. The transformation is shockingly swift, but its stages can still be followed: the thing seems to pull itself into and through the coils, and for an instant the two are meshed, locked, and then the final stage. A new shape glows, a hybrid; the green and red beads have been altered beyond recognition.
FOX
Like a high-speed viral takeover...! What's the real-time duration on this, Trent?
TULLY
(from the shadows beyond the glowing cube)
That was it. What you see is what you get. That's how fast it is...
Yeah that's the one.
It was one of those things that needed sorting in the third draft. If I remember rightly, it's never established that Anchorpoint had tinkered with the Alien DNA and they end up with the wildly different spore life cycle, but it's stated that Rodina had made some changes to the Alien DNA so they'd mature faster.
The story about the cheat code has pushed the price up on A:R for PS1. I'm glad I've had my copy for so long lol.
Ive never played A:R sadly. only remember the trailer from before the Alien VHS boxset lol
Good thing the game didn't get canceled, even though it was released years after the movie.
One of the most underrated Alien games, for sure.