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Apologies if this is already kicking around, but in case you haven't heard, Sigourney recently chatted about the idea of dong Alien 5 again; http://www.slashfilm.com/sigourney-weaver-alien-5/ (http://www.slashfilm.com/sigourney-weaver-alien-5/)

Thanks for the news. She seems quite open to doing Alien 5.

HELL YEAH! Despite the short comings of Alien Resurrection I'm eager to see one or two more installments focused on the cloned Ripley ans resolve her story line.

I agree, I have had a new found love for Resurrection and it's characters are reading Aliens: Original Sin, Plus of course we have the huge selection of other stories that have been written. I certainly would love to see a new movie based in the far reaches of the universe, including a potential Alien planet expedition.

It's never going to happen.

I'm pretty surprised she would be interested, i thought she was tired of it. especially after 3. But I dont think itll happen, at least not till promethous films are done so 5-6 years till preproduction at the earliest

Bearing in mind she's 64 years old now, time is ticking.

Didn't Ellen Ripley's story end in ALIEN3? However, I love the idea of a distant planet where no one would go to (again, ALIEN3). So if it another movie based like ALIEN3 sign me up!  ;)

Sorry Sig, you wanted to end this thing at Alien 3, remember?

Us fans know you only did Alien 4 for the gigantic paycheck and the cloning scene, so we'll just chalk that movie up as non-canon. Fret not, big girl. We got you covered.

Yes please.
We need something to make us forget about Prometheus.

Quote from: Darkness on Jun 02, 2014, 08:22:40 PM
Bearing in mind she's 64 years old now, time is ticking.

I most certainly don't want to see a 70 year old Ripley 8. The franchise ended with Alien Resurrection, AvP: R if you are willing to count the AvP films and begun a new with Prometheus. If another Alien movie is going to be made... it's unlikely, and if it does happen then it should be a straight up reboot after the Prometheus films are done.

Quote from: DaddyYautja on Jun 02, 2014, 08:39:45 PM
We need something to make us forget about Prometheus.

What was wrong with Prometheus?

Quote from: Darkness on Jun 02, 2014, 08:22:40 PM
Bearing in mind she's 64 years old now, time is ticking.

no reason to fear. he could be in shape in no time via magic hollywood training and could look super young with make up

seen this? just look at that 20yo Pitt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPmpYI1bsiA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPmpYI1bsiA)

Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 02, 2014, 08:17:45 PM
It's never going to happen.

Almost certainly true.

Quote from: Darkness on Jun 02, 2014, 08:22:40 PM
Bearing in mind she's 64 years old now, time is ticking.

She looks great for her age though, I have no doubt she could handle it like the rest of her male brethren from that same era are now doing. The weakest link in most of their outings has been shoddy wink-wink writing that can't seem to find the earnest sensibilities of the golden age.


The real question is... It's been twenty years since A:R. What exactly do you do with an ALIEN 5? Personally i'm not all that interested in seeing the continuation of Ripley 8 unless we're going to get some really Earth-shattering writing and directing.

Alien 5 really should deliver on the unkept promise of the Alien 3 teaser...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk_x9W1xKng#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk_x9W1xKng#ws)

I don't want to hear "AVP" or "AVP:R" as responses. No.  That's not even remotely the same. Not this kind of execution. I'm talking Cthulhu, Hell mouth's opening in the Earth, people taken in the night. Tap those deep dark nightmares, violate our personal space, scare the Hell out of us, and give us a damn good heroine. If there was ANYTHING truly missing from Alien Resurrection above anything else, it was the Ellen Ripley that really cared about people. I want that Ripley brought back. Make that the story arc for her amidst a genuine fight for survival on Earth. There is nowhere to escape to. They're here, on Earth. It's fight or die. Instead of showing someone losing their humanity in that, have Ripley find hers, and teach the survivors how to deal with the aliens through her connection to them.


Or as someone else said, reboot. Though i'm honestly not keen on the idea of a reboot. You could just as easily sidestep the issue and not ever go back to Ripley ever again and just tell a new story. As the comics and novels have shown us there are many stories to tell without Ripley. Granted not all of them are the stuff of greatness, but there are diamonds in the rough.

Our last real Alien movie was back in 1997. If this gets made it won't be for a very long time. We have Prometheus 2 in 2016 and I bet a third movie will get made too.

I can see this as being possible. If Harrison Ford & Sean Connery can portray believable (maybe acceptable  ;)  ) heroic characters. Why not Siqourney? I think she is capable of playing the role for me the key is a Good script.  WTG Sigourney! 8)

Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 02, 2014, 08:57:15 PM
Or as someone else said, reboot. Though i'm honestly not keen on the idea of a reboot. You could just as easily sidestep the issue and not ever go back to Ripley ever again and just tell a new story. As the comics and novels have shown us there are many stories to tell without Ripley. Granted not all of them are the stuff of greatness, but there are diamonds in the rough.

With a reboot, you really don't need to use the character of Ripley at all. The Alien is what is important, and while Ripley was an essential protagonist in the previous movies up to Alien 3, let's face it.. Her story is done. It ended with Alien 3 when she had died and sacrificed herself to ensure that Weyland-Yutani didn't get their hands on the Xenomorph. Introduce a new protagonist, or if people really believe that Ripley is essential, re-introduce her again but avoid doing a remake with the reboot (although that likely is something hard to do, though 2014's Robocop was radically different from the original). A reboot could be it's own thing as long as it keeps the essential elements, but the setting could be different and some of the characters as well.

Alien Resurrection... I haven't seen that movie in a long time, and I would like to see the movie again without fan consensus affecting my judgement. I just haven't gotten around to doing that. Right now my opinion is that the movie was unnecessary and the franchise should've been just left alone after Alien 3 as far as strictly Alien-only continuity goes.

Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 02, 2014, 09:23:19 PM
We have Prometheus 2 in 2016 and I bet a third movie will get made too.

Honestly... After Prometheus, Paradise, and Prometheus 3.. assuming there is a Prometheus 3, I think the franchises (along with Predator) need to be given a long rest. Let some time pass, then talk either sequels, remakes or reboots. I'd prefer the latter two, if mostly to get away from that Engineer stuff.

If an Alien 5 with Ripley is meant to be made... Then render Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection to what fans call as: "Ripley's Nightmare". Write the last two sequels off as a dream, explain the lapse in time so Weaver's age can be written in and mention that she has been suffering the same dreams for years. Then have her do whatever with the Alien one last time if fans and the studio really want an Alien 5 with her.

Nothing she hasn't said a million times before. I'd watch it, but they'd have to really get the right crew and some new ideas together to make this work.

Also, what's up with two guests on the previous page posting? Made accounts just to comment on this and then deleted themselves? :D

Yeah, it's a pipe-dream. I'm glad she'd be willing, but considering it won't happen, I'm not going to be spending too much time dwelling on. Aliens on a futuristic Earth as shown in Aliens however would be the route I'd want to see. Of course, A:R shows us Earth's fate, which isn't pleasant. And yes, Ripley's tragic story ended in Alien 3.

Ellen Ripley died in Alien 3. Ripley 8 is a different person. She is mixture of both Ripley and Alien. I think this has immensely interesting dynamics that were not developed properly in Resurrection. Imagine the conflict of a person who sacrificed her life to destroy a monster, only to come back and have half become that monster.
She has Ripley's memories, but the Aliens also. I wrote a story that I am trying to make into a fan-film. But I wish that it could be used for real. I think it delves into this well and provides an exciting twist to her story as well as a satisfying ENDING to her character.

Much as I'd like to see it (if nothing else, to smooth over the mess that is AR), it's hard to imagine such a film ending in any way other than how A3 ended.

They should blend it with Prometheus 2... Have Ripley 8 and a new spaceship crew find the Engineer homeworld.. alongside Shaw's skeleton and a deactivated David 8 head..  :laugh:

A:R came out so long ago. Does anyone outside the fan base even remembers it?

Does it matter?

Was a fun event and Weaver, like she was in Calgary, was a great guest.  Very gracious, a touch dashing, funny, aloof and fun.  Nice to hear she thinks so highly of Cameron and gets along with him as well as Scott.  Would be interesting to see what Cameron would bring back to the Alien franchise as a writer/mentor.

http://viendammage.blogspot.com/2014/06/ask-me-hero-complex-question-aliens-w.html (http://viendammage.blogspot.com/2014/06/ask-me-hero-complex-question-aliens-w.html)

She's absolutely right - the story arc needs to be resolved. The triangle of Ripley / Xeno / Weyland never fulfilled it's potential by reaching a satisfactorily epic conclusion. Prometheus is really an unnecessary distraction, pretty pointless in my opinion. Bring back Ripley, and tear down Weylands empire with an army of Xeno's.

Quote from: Darkness on Jun 02, 2014, 07:44:06 PM
Thanks for the news. She seems quite open to doing Alien 5.

No problem. I am inclined to agree with others that her returning for another film is a pipe dream.

At this point I don't even f**king care. All I want is a decent alien movie.

So go watch one.

I am not against another Alien film, but the story of Ripley finished with Alien 3

Why not create new characters? ::)

Anyway I'm still waiting for the sequel to Prometheus.

QuoteWhy not create new characters?

o hai!

 ::) And if it does happen in the long distant future, I would definitely return again to the theaters to see the fifth ALIEN film "IF" it does happen. And if it does ring true and if there's a possible director and filmmaker, I'll be digging into my ALIEN ANTHOLOGY BLU-RAY COLLECTION seeing all 4 films back to back. I'm a ALIEN and RIPLEY fan and I like collecting the ALIEN FILM FRANCHISE. 'Let Ripley Rise' a possible ALIEN
5 could happen.

I think maybe Sigourney going to these events and seeing the fans puts her in the mood to always say stuff like this. It must be a very energizing environment.

I'd be down to see Sigourney and Winona go back to the home planet. But the movie would have to be ABOUT something. And Winona would have to be given better dialogue.

Winona was so eager to be in an Alien movie, she just f**king signed on. If I were her, I would've requested better dialogue. More "Because I'm programmed to." and "I couldn't watch them annihilate themselves." and less simpleton non-robotic shit like "We. Cant. Trust. HERRRR!" and No she's not!"

Get the guy who directed Elysium to do it. Someone who's more action/sci-fi oriented as opposed to some horror person. Remember when the Cube guy was rumored for Alien 5 long ago? That's all kinds of awful. This franchise, from here on out, needs to hire action/sci-fi guys. Less concentration on horror. Take the T2 route in terms of the amount of horror.

I can't really say that A:R's problem was that they got a "horror" guy. Whedon is known for action and snappy dialogue. (I would say wit and humour, but not straight out comedy.), and Jean Pierre Jeunet is known for... Well, much lighter material than the Alien franchise. It's been said repeatedly that even he didn't think he was the right choice for the job. I can't really fault him too much, i'm not too fond of his camera work in A:R, though. Lots of the fast moving zooms and stuff really make things look cheaper than they should. Just something about that style of camera work that has never appealed to me.

My big problem is I want these movies to be serious again. Prometheus and Predators both were fairly good turns in that direction, but Prometheus had some of that modern "Hollywood" type overly witty for-the-audience dialogue that breaks great movies. The original Alien honestly feels like a movie that does not even know it's own audience is there. Like we are literally looking through a rip in space-time into another world and watching things unfold. None of the characters are winking at the audience. I'm not saying turn the series into something pretentious. Just be straight. That's my biggest beef with A:R. Next to the other three it just feels like some kind of wacky off-the-wall comic film. Just in the way that it's shot and edited. The trilogy actually feel fairly consistent tonally. The Alien universe, at least in the frontier regions, is very unforgiving and oppressive.

Screw canon, I want the alien movie we deserve and not the one that we need. They can wipe alien³ and A|R from the face of the script for all I care. Like neither of them ever happened. :)

We'll call it a reboot.

Quote from: SM on Jun 02, 2014, 11:43:00 PM
So go watch one.

I meant a new one, although I sort of left it dangling there.

He knew what you f**king meant.

Quote from: SM on Jun 02, 2014, 10:36:58 PM
Does it matter?

If  the audience does not care then why bother?

Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 03, 2014, 03:20:42 AM

Quote from: SM on Jun 02, 2014, 10:36:58 PM
Does it matter?

If  the audience does not care then why bother?

They will care. This is a franchise that is proven profitable, no matter what. Through the darkest of times (AvP 2), through the best of times (Aliens), and through the divisive of times (Prometheus).

Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Jun 03, 2014, 03:20:42 AM

Quote from: SM on Jun 02, 2014, 10:36:58 PM
Does it matter?

If  the audience does not care then why bother?

The audience cared enough to make Predators moderately successful 20 years after Predator 2.

Wow, all the actors are still alive, we could do a remake with the original cast. haha oh the horror!

Sigourney safe would work perfectly as it could be chalked up to the consequence of cloning. It's something that was proven when Dolly the sheep was cloned, she aged faster then the rest of her kin. They would certainly need to move on this film right away however. It won't happen. I'd love it to.

Awesome.

BRING IT ON

I love the idea of it, but I'm not sure I'd love the execution.

I remember in the Alien special edition blu ray features, Dan O'Bannon said something like "I've already nailed this. It's done - move on. This was scary 30 years ago - its not scary any more because we already nailed it." Something like that. And he's probably right - the shock value has gone - or at least, we think it has.

I'd love to see RakaThewi's idea played out with a younger crew / passing of the torch from old Ripley to new-kick-ass... but the essential thing is (as we all know) making the alien scary and shocking again (whilst keeping within the confines of established lore).

.......call me crazy but didnt Ellen Ripleys storyline end in Alien 3.......

Im pretty sure it did, and yes i have seen Alien Resurrection but thats NOT "the" Ellen Ripley so that doesnt count.......

Does NOT mean i do not want a new Alien movie i really do but how about a completely new storyline and or new caracters.......!!!

P.S. but i would love for Sigourney to be part of what ever comes next (maby as an producer) just as long as it is an actual "Alien" movie.......

As long as Ripley is alive, the story will continue.
I think there will probably be an Alien 5 at some point, though I'd rather there wasn't.
What are the chances of it being at least mildly decent.
Realistically, it will be terrible, and people won't like it. So don't ask for it.
But I expect there will be an Alien 5, and probably another prequel or sequel after that.

I also really hate 'Prometheus'. I think it' an insult to the franchise, and the next film I expect will be even worse.

I've been really negative here, but I just don't like all the additions producers feel the need to make to good franchises.

They've butchered and destroyed this franchise beyond saving. Michel Biehn has been screwed over and lied to so many times that he probably hates this with a passion and will never even think of coming back. Personally i don't want Sigourney or anyone else making another Alien related movie. Let this die with with an ounce of remaining dignity of any so we would at least have a memory that once this was something great and memorable.

When was Michael Biehn screwed-over and lied to?  ???

And he didn't seem to have a problem with Hicks coming back for ACM. A paycheck is a paycheck.

You have got to be kidding? If you don't know i'll tell you. He was brought in to Aliens as a last minute replacement for an actor who was already doing Hicks, they even have one scene in the movie with that actor shot from the back so you cannot tell, it is the scene where the camera shoots the back of the marines as it's raising revealing the entrance to the hive. With the poor shooting conditions, near death experiences and constant struggles and arguments on set, Micheal Biehn got paid scraps for Aliens. The one photograph showcasing his face, digitized in green scan lines to be shown on the EEV's on board computer revealing the corporal's death, brought in more money for Michael then what he was paid for Aliens and even that was through grinding teeth after fox 1st decided to go with a script where the chest burster erupts from Hicks's body. After this under the table decision reached Michael and he threatened to sue Fox, only then they decided to pay him on bad relationship. Colonial Marines didn't do him any favor as well, i remember 1st day everyone saw Alien 3 in theaters and were saddened by Hicks and Newt's death, now they bring him back and people are pissed of at the decision. If it's like this then this whole thing just needs to end, enough is enough.

We already knew about that stuff. Calm down you crazy son of a bitch.

QuoteYou have got to be kidding? If you don't know i'll tell you. He was brought in to Aliens as a last minute replacement for an actor who was already doing Hicks,

I'd say that was good fortune for him, wouldn't you?

QuoteMicheal Biehn got paid scraps for Aliens.

He got what he was contracted for, just like everybody else.

QuoteWith the poor shooting conditions, near death experiences and constant struggles and arguments on set

I can recall some issues regarding the roof of the APC collapsing, the APC totaling a remote camera after it's brakes failed and the substance they used for creating smoke effects creating some breathing issues for some of the cast. All part and parcel of making action movies. What were the near death experiences?

Quoteand constant struggles and arguments on set

Just like every other movie ever made.

Quoteafter fox 1st decided to go with a script where the chest burster erupts from Hicks's body

The "Hicks" character belongs to Fox. They can do whatever they please with the character. The only legal grounds Biehn had was Fox using his likeness without his consent.

Quotebrought in more money for Michael then what he was paid for Aliens

I'd say that was good fortune for him, wouldn't you?

QuoteColonial Marines didn't do him any favor as well

It didn't do the Hicks character any favors. Biehn got a paycheck, I'd say that was good fortune for him, wouldn't you?

Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 03, 2014, 02:46:21 PM

So cheesy.

The whole thing with the Chestburster was actually a misunderstanding. They never intended the alien to come from Hicks. Not one script i've ever read indicated that. Somebody saw the body of Hicks mutilated "as if the alien had come out" when it was just horrifically mangled due to the EEV crash. Thanks for pissing on the character either way guys. Anyway, Biehn got wind of that and caused a bit of a stir. I think more than anything he was opposed to the idea of Hicks dying so unceremoniously, and he didn't want his likeness in there if they weren't even going to pay him. He seemed more than eager to come back for Alien 3.

If they had managed a sequel two years after Aliens, like they were planning, who knows? We may have had a series where Newt, Ripley, and Hicks were all still alive in the end, and the franchise would have gone off in a different more successful direction.

I would be more than down for a proper Alien 5 with Sigourney Weaver. A mission of extermination to the xenomorph home world would be amazing if they did it properly. If Arnold and Harrison Ford can still get roles in action flicks, I see no reason to give Sigourney Weaver any grief for her age.

I wonder what silly demands she'll make in order to get her back this time.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 03, 2014, 09:10:13 PM
I wonder what silly demands she'll make in order to get her back this time.

Maybe this time she'll want to direct?

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 03, 2014, 05:38:21 PM

Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 03, 2014, 02:46:21 PM

So cheesy.

That is exactly why I posted it :P

Alien: Days of Future Past

The future Clone Ripley develops a mutation and power that allows her to send her consciousness back through time and temporarily communicate to the real Ripley during the events near the end of Aliens. Young Ripley is warned about the egg on the Sulaco, finds it and destroys it which alters the events, starts a new timeline and gives us a new Alien 3.

Problem solved!! LOL.

^ Pure lunacy. The altered consciousness part would be neat tho.

Hey, it could be another "unexpected benefit" of the cloning process.  ;D

Quote from: Ultramorph on Jun 03, 2014, 08:31:26 PM
I would be more than down for a proper Alien 5 with Sigourney Weaver. A mission of extermination to the xenomorph home world would be amazing if they did it properly. If Arnold and Harrison Ford can still get roles in action flicks, I see no reason to give Sigourney Weaver any grief for her age.

Funny enough, Cameron was going to write roles for both of those guys in his Alien 5. Harrison was also courted for Captain Dallas.

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 03, 2014, 10:32:54 PMHarrison was also courted for Captain Dallas.

First I've heard of that. Source?

Quote from: Darkness on Jun 02, 2014, 08:22:40 PM
Bearing in mind she's 64 years old now, time is ticking.

She looked fine in 'Vamps' and 'Cabin In The Woods' and a script could always imply something quirky with Ripley 8's metabolism.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 03, 2014, 03:10:08 AM
Screw canon, I want the alien movie we deserve and not the one that we need. They can wipe alien³ and A|R from the face of the script for all I care. Like neither of them ever happened. :)

We'll call it a reboot.

Years ago, this could have potentially been done, but these days, there's a huge gamble at play - especially if you're trying to retcon, not just one film, but two. Because what if the end result is something far worse than what you disliked about them?

Just look at the recent 'Friday The 13th' reboot. It's so terrible they're already attempting yet another.

In fact, let's look at 'Alien Versus Predator'. When 'Requiem' came around, a lot of the fandom was already praising the two new directors, saying it "couldn't possibly be any worse". All that pre-emptive hype seems a bit misplaced now, doesn't it?

Ridley Scott? A lot of people seemed to have greeted 'Prometheus' with a reaction of WTF.

James Cameron? Not sure... In times passed, I'd have been intrigued, but around the mark of 'True Lies', his stuff seemed to be much more superficial than before - especially evident in 'Titanic'. If you had been told the director of both 'Terminator' films and 'Aliens' would have wound up making something as sentimental and Spielbergian as that, you'd have probably disbelieved them.

Quote from: Russ on Jun 03, 2014, 08:47:24 AM
I remember in the Alien special edition blu ray features, Dan O'Bannon said something like "I've already nailed this. It's done - move on. This was scary 30 years ago - its not scary any more because we already nailed it." Something like that. And he's probably right - the shock value has gone - or at least, we think it has.

I'd love to see RakaThewi's idea played out with a younger crew / passing of the torch from old Ripley to new-kick-ass... but the essential thing is (as we all know) making the alien scary and shocking again (whilst keeping within the confines of established lore).

Everyone remembers what the third and fourth film lacked, but neither of them really portrayed the Alien right, IMO. It hasn't been effectively and believably presented on the big screen since 1986. Even those who disliked the alleged changes in Cameron's version will probably admit that he at least made them seem realistic and threatening, compared to what was in the third and fourth efforts.

It's no good declaring, like Scott did, pre-'Prometheus', that just because something has featured on a Disney ride, therefore it's impossible to breathe fresh life into. It very much is possible.

Vampires have been in more than a few horridly made film productions, too, but when they're done right, they can still be effective horror icons, too ('Thirty Days Of Night' could even be modified into an 'Alien' story template). Same for Terminators being rendered effective. Or even sharks, for that matter... I was highly impressed with 'The Reef', for example, which has some amazingly effective tension and uses the environment of open water astonishingly well.

Can Aliens be presented well, again? Absolutely. In fact, no matter how the game turns out, the adverts for the upcoming 'Isolation' game manage to do precisely that. The fact we haven't had widely-accepted success on the big screen in recent years, shouldn't be taken as any indication as to what can be possible.

QuoteJust look at the recent 'Friday The 13th' reboot. It's so terrible they're already attempting yet another.

The Friday the 13th reboot was actually pretty well-received and grossed a shitload of money for a slasher flick. Just because they're going for another reboot doesn't mean the last one sucked.

They should just make a stand alone movie since there isn't anyway to please everybody. However I do understand how important canon is to everyone and just putting Ellen Ripley into the movie isn't going to roll over well. Still I would love to see another action flick such as aliens, it doesn't need to have deep meaning or philosophical non-sense. I just want to be entertained and maybe even scared a little.

Quote from: Procurator on Jun 03, 2014, 03:14:30 PM
They've butchered and destroyed this franchise beyond saving. Michel Biehn has been screwed over and lied to so many times that he probably hates this with a passion and will never even think of coming back.

Good thing his character has been dead since 1992.

Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 04, 2014, 12:18:45 AM

Quote from: Procurator on Jun 03, 2014, 03:14:30 PM
They've butchered and destroyed this franchise beyond saving. Michel Biehn has been screwed over and lied to so many times that he probably hates this with a passion and will never even think of coming back.

Good thing his character has been dead since 1992.

That was Turk.

Then Scrubs really was all in JD's head!

Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jun 03, 2014, 11:09:48 PM

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 03, 2014, 10:32:54 PMHarrison was also courted for Captain Dallas.

First I've heard of that. Source?

https://www.google.com/#q=harrison+ford+captain+dallas+alien&tbm=bks (https://www.google.com/#q=harrison+ford+captain+dallas+alien&tbm=bks)

"had offered him the role of Dallas, the ill - fated captain of the space tanker Nostromo in his second major feature, Alien."

He didn't want to play another space pilot.

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Xenomorphine I agree with most of what you said and am going to respond in a bit.

Quote from: SiL on Jun 04, 2014, 12:05:49 AM

QuoteJust look at the recent 'Friday The 13th' reboot. It's so terrible they're already attempting yet another.

The Friday the 13th reboot was actually pretty well-received and grossed a shitload of money for a slasher flick. Just because they're going for another reboot doesn't mean the last one sucked.

Exactly. In fact, as a huge F13th fan, I'd rank it third. Jason Lives is still the best.

Anyway, they're rebooting it again because too much time has passed. Also, it grossed a shitload of money, but the WAY it grossed a shitload of money put the kabash on any sequel. It was extremely frontloaded and made most of its domestic money opening weekend. This scared the shit out of the studios. Studios, plural. Which brings me to my next point. Another sequel means everybody in involved wants a bigger slice of the pie. Warner, Paramount, Platinum Dunes. It's a tough balance. So yeah, back to the drawing board.

Quote from: GQSioux on Jun 03, 2014, 10:00:00 PM
The future Clone Ripley develops a mutation and power that allows her to send her consciousness back through time and temporarily communicate to the real Ripley during the events near the end of Aliens. Young Ripley is warned about the egg on the Sulaco, finds it and destroys it which alters the events, starts a new timeline and gives us a new Alien 3.

Or you could.. You know, retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection as "Ripley's Nightmare".. which I mentioned a page back or two.

Quote from: SiL on Jun 04, 2014, 12:05:49 AM
The Friday the 13th reboot was actually pretty well-received and grossed a shitload of money for a slasher flick. Just because they're going for another reboot doesn't mean the last one sucked.

I've only ever seen bad reviews for it, but regardless, having personally seen it, I personally rate it as a bad movie (in the same way as I do for that 'The Fog' remake).

Either way, point still stands: Any series reboot runs a huge risk of turning out something worse than whatever it's trying to replace and then you're pretty much stuck with the resulting new continuity. If we got something which was meant to retcon the third and fourth movies as dreams, but was at about the level of 'Requiem', there'd be much justified wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 04, 2014, 02:33:11 AM
Either way, point still stands: Any series reboot runs a huge risk of turning out something worse than whatever it's trying to replace and then you're pretty much stuck with the resulting new continuity. If we got something which was meant to retcon the third and fourth movies as dreams, but was at about the level of 'Requiem', there'd be much justified wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Personally, I do NOT want an Alien 5. I am just saying certain ideas to keep this discussion going and present a way an Alien 5 could be done while also keeping Weaver's age in mind. I mean do we really want a woman nearing her seventies doing stunts and battling Aliens? I know I wouldn't.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 04, 2014, 02:21:07 AM

Quote from: GQSioux on Jun 03, 2014, 10:00:00 PM
The future Clone Ripley develops a mutation and power that allows her to send her consciousness back through time and temporarily communicate to the real Ripley during the events near the end of Aliens. Young Ripley is warned about the egg on the Sulaco, finds it and destroys it which alters the events, starts a new timeline and gives us a new Alien 3.

Or you could.. You know, retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection as "Ripley's Nightmare".. which I mentioned a page back or two.

An idea floating around ever since people didn't like Alien3, and consistently and rightly consigned to the 'really bad ideas' file ever since.

Quote from: SM on Jun 04, 2014, 02:43:24 AM
An idea floating around ever since people didn't like Alien3, and consistently and rightly consigned to the 'really bad ideas' file ever since.

I liked Alien 3, both theatrical and assembly versions. But a lot of people have pointed out reasons that movie shouldn't or couldn't have happened. Which is why I pointed out to "Ripley's Nightmare". As to why it's a bad idea, enlighten me so.. Not that I am behind the idea of retconning Alien 3 as a bad dream in the literal sense. Still, enlighten me.

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 04, 2014, 02:33:11 AM
I've only ever seen bad reviews for it,

Well yeah, it's a slasher movie.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 04, 2014, 02:54:05 AM
I liked Alien 3, both theatrical and assembly versions. But a lot of people have pointed out reasons that movie shouldn't or couldn't have happened. Which is why I pointed out to "Ripley's Nightmare". As to why it's a bad idea, enlighten me so.. Not that I am behind the idea of retconning Alien 3 as a bad dream in the literal sense. Still, enlighten me.

A lot of people have pointed out reasons Aliens shouldn't have happened.

It's a cheap, lazy, whiny "fix" of a problem that doesn't exist.

Best left for soap operas.

Quote from: RakaiThwei on Jun 04, 2014, 02:42:35 AM

Quote from: Xenomorphine on Jun 04, 2014, 02:33:11 AM
Either way, point still stands: Any series reboot runs a huge risk of turning out something worse than whatever it's trying to replace and then you're pretty much stuck with the resulting new continuity. If we got something which was meant to retcon the third and fourth movies as dreams, but was at about the level of 'Requiem', there'd be much justified wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Personally, I do NOT want an Alien 5. I am just saying certain ideas to keep this discussion going and present a way an Alien 5 could be done while also keeping Weaver's age in mind. I mean do we really want a woman nearing her seventies doing stunts and battling Aliens? I know I wouldn't.

What an idiotic statement. The age thing is still an issue? Go pop in AvP boy.

Quote from: GQSioux on Jun 03, 2014, 10:04:22 PM
Hey, it could be another "unexpected benefit" of the cloning process.  ;D

Well, it seems obvious to me that the continuation from A:R would be for Ripley, LIKE the QUEEN in A:R, who has a human reproductive cycle, to also have developed in Ripley, and Alien reproductive cycle. There is a really neat and horrific way to handle all this that could account for Ripley aging... It could easily be tied into the PROMETHEUS story with one sequel in between Prometheus and the final Ripley story.
All they need is to carry over a Protagonist from the Prometheus sequels and all would be fine.

I think this is a wonderful idea and HERE IS WHY YOU SHOULD TOO.

The PROMETHEUS storyline will NOT kill the franchise. If AVP-R didn't ruin its profitability, PROMETHEUS 2 certainly will not. And whether there is, as Ridley Scott mentioned, a PROMETHEUS 3 that ties into the original ALIEN, OR if PROMETHEUS 2 is sufficient to link up with the original ALIEN - MARK MY WORDS - the next film WILL BE an ALIEN Reboot/Remake that can act as a continuation of the PROMETHEUS films or a film that links with the RIPLEY story and the Engineers.

I would like to see it become the latter because if you cant see by history of the Alien series that they won't stop making Alien films of some kind, then you are ignoring what they actually are: Money-making product - even at their lowest quality.

Why would they NOT make an ALIEN remake? ANS: People will see a continuation of RIPLEY'S Story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-aDs9pvsrc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-aDs9pvsrc#ws)

hmm

We could set the hyper sleep duration to 27,000 years. That would help explain why Ripley and co are so damn old in the new Alien³ movie. Yea, Alien³ was a mistake; it is now time to overwrite that mistake!

Aliens was a mistake.

dat powerloader vs queen battle.. so "fanboy-ish" and over the top. etc. etc.

Quote from: SiL on Jun 04, 2014, 12:17:08 PM
Aliens was a mistake.

Did Bob Morton make it?

If there's another one, DON'T turn it into another guns can solve any problem flick.

DON'T mess with ALIEN³- because the ALIENS arse-kissing fanatics didn't get what they wanted.

In fact, DON'T make another movie...

Spoiler

DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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It's hollywood, aliens will win out over alien³. Now just to get the ball rolling on totally ignoring that 3 and 4th movie...  :laugh:

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 04, 2014, 07:18:54 PM

Quote from: SiL on Jun 04, 2014, 12:17:08 PM
Aliens was a mistake.

Did Bob Morton make it?

Hmm that was a bad pun but how do we know Bob Morton didn't make it? The androids that is. Aliens is never a mistake.

I shouldn't shit on alien³ so much though, I actually love the movie. A|R too. I just want another movie and if that means gutting A³ and A|R, so be it.

Quote from: Mr. Runner on Jun 04, 2014, 11:42:34 PMIn fact, DON'T make another movie...

You know who wants to see a worthy sequel to Aliens?

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 05, 2014, 12:11:03 AMI shouldn't shit on alien³ so much though, I actually love the movie. A|R too.

Unacceptable.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 04, 2014, 07:18:54 PM

Quote from: SiL on Jun 04, 2014, 12:17:08 PM
Aliens was a mistake.

Did Bob Morton make it?

And now it's time to erase that mistake. I'm cashing you out.

The potential to clone more aliens out of Ripley makes her a danger to the universe.  Because of this, Ripley has been chased to the outer reaches of the known universe with a small band of rebel scientists (aided by the survivors of A:R) that demand social change from the Intergalactic Order.

When all hope is lost and the Intergalactic Order appears to be closing in, the scientists have no choice but to unleash a legion of face huggers on the invading military complex.

This should be the premise to Alien5.  Or they just shouldn't make the movie at all.

The dream idea is foolishness.  I'm not against another Alien movie, I'd prefer it over Prometheus, but only in capable hands. 

Alien 3 was good.  It's Res that ruined it for me. 





Guns can solve any problem. 

....... i dont know if anyone already anwsered this but the "original" hicks actor is James Remar, you know who he´s the one who replaced Christopher Lambert as Raiden in the Mortal Kombat sequel....... ;)

Here's the ultimate plot of alien 5. Kane's son crash lands on Earth. Then at near the end of the Movie the Queen from Aliens Crash lands on Earth.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 06, 2014, 08:48:49 AM
Here's the ultimate plot of alien 5. Kane's son crash lands on Earth. Then at near the end of the Movie the Queen from Aliens Crash lands on Earth.

Genius.

Quote from: AVP1974 on Jun 06, 2014, 07:54:00 AM
....... i dont know if anyone already anwsered this but the "original" hicks actor is James Remar, you know who he´s the one who replaced Christopher Lambert as Raiden in the Mortal Kombat sequel....... ;)

Showing the difference in age, he'll always be Ajax out of "The Warriors" to me

Click-bait site Movie Pilot is spewing some great bollocks about this as well...

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/06/03/alien-5-the-return-of-sigourney-weaver-s-ripley-1468735?utm_source=fb-channel-action-legends&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=alien-5-the-return-of-sigourney-weaver-s-ripley&subscribe_to=1468735 (http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/06/03/alien-5-the-return-of-sigourney-weaver-s-ripley-1468735?utm_source=fb-channel-action-legends&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=alien-5-the-return-of-sigourney-weaver-s-ripley&subscribe_to=1468735)

Oh - my 200th post!

Annoys me how people harp on about 'undoing' Alien 3. People need to get over the fact there isn't a succession of Aliens sequels that are all basically the same movie.

.......by the way Jon Finch was the second choice for the role of KANE in ALIEN.......

"John Hurt was Ridley Scott's first choice to play Kane in Alien, but Hurt was committed to filming in South Africa and had to turn down the part. Jon Finch, who had risen to fame both as a theatre actor in Britain and in lead roles in Zeffirelli's Romeo And Juliet (1969), Polanski's Macbeth (1970) and Hitchcock's Frenzy (1972), stepped in. On the first day of shooting, Finch fell ill with the cameras on him, appearing to turn yellow and lifeless. Ridley Scott stopped the shot and had to get Finch helped out of his navigator's chair on the Nostromo set. Sent off to hospital, the actor was diagnosed with diabetes. Scott spent that evening talking a now-returned John Hurt into the part at his Hampstead home, and went on to work with Finch again in Kingdom Of Heaven (2005). The shot where Finch fell ill is included, with the actor's permission, on the Alien Quadrilogy extras, though I don't know if that was the only thing he filmed."

Link to website about this and other replacments below.......

"http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/13970/7-missing-performances-id-like-to-see"

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.......i meant "Joe Finch" off course.......tsk, tsk ;)

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 06, 2014, 10:10:41 AM
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http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=24899.msg518140#msg518140 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=24899.msg518140#msg518140)

Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 02, 2014, 08:17:45 PM
It's never going to happen.

Hopefully you're right.

Seeing how Rocky, Rambo, Indiana Jones, Terminator (T-800 101 ;)) got another chance, I wouldn`t cross off chances of Alien V to happen.

I say strongly no to another Alien movie having Weaver in the leading role and as a producer etc, ever since alien movies has gotten worse and worse when she starting saying how the movie shall be like. And we have seen pretty much all, cant see them doing anything new with it as Ridley said.

If they now do Alien 5 I hope it is with a total new lead actor and crew and in a good directors hands, then I might say yes.

IF Ripley is in Alien 5 she should also have mutated or developed some alien behaviours or maybe even a new reproduction system, she is half alien so she should change as she get older just like the xenos in Alien 4.

Well back in the days I had an idea, cause Ripley 7 had scar on her chest, that new film would be about Newborn Queen and group of adult Newborns. I always wanted to see Adult Newborn.

Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 06, 2014, 03:23:18 PM

Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 02, 2014, 08:17:45 PM
It's never going to happen.

Hopefully you're right.

This is how it starts,with crazy talk then the momentum builds and a new film is in production.I don't want to see this happen.

.......maby they could make her the antagonist of the movie. She turns on the humans and like a queen xenemorph she can control the xenomorphs....... ::)

Quote from: AVP1974 on Jun 06, 2014, 09:59:49 PM
.......maby they could make her the antagonist of the movie. She turns on the humans and like a queen xenemorph she can control the xenomorphs....... ::)

Sigourney, one movie with half assed superhero Ripley was bad enough. Please don't inflict another one on us.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 06, 2014, 11:08:50 AM
Annoys me how people harp on about 'undoing' Alien 3. People need to get over the fact there isn't a succession of Aliens sequels that are all basically the same movie.

People hated Alien³ because it pissed on the ending of Aliens, not because it wasn't the same movie. ::)

nah they hate it because it wasn't more of the same.  THey wanted to see Ripley's nuclear family take on all comers and reign victorious over the universe. 

Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 07, 2014, 12:24:35 AM
nah they hate it because it wasn't more of the same.  THey wanted to see Ripley's nuclear family take on all comers and reign victorious over the universe.

That's not necessarily what I wanted to see, at least. I'm fine with what Gibson had in mind.

IT IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO SEE.  Search you feelings, you know it be true. 

No, not really.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 07, 2014, 12:24:35 AM
nah they hate it because it wasn't more of the same.  THey wanted to see Ripley's nuclear family take on all comers and reign victorious over the universe.

The advertising certainly tried to lead audiences to believe two things:

A. On Earth.

B. Action packed.

None of the trailers leave you feeling like this will be anything but an action-adventure-suspense piece. Like Aliens.


That, the generally confused opening, and other elements really hurt the film. There was no way it would gain back it's goodwill with the audiences by and large.


I'm with KiramidHead. I think Gibson's script overall was the better direction go. It needed a few tweaks, but it was doing what a sequel should: growing the universe, and giving more without discarding the past. In much the same way Cameron went out of his way to tie Aliens to Alien with the opening sequence and not just ignore it, Alien 3, at least in Gibson's take, would have done that.

I don't think going back to just one alien hunting people down was a particularly smart move. I'm not saying you have to up the ante with each sequel... "Next time we'll have a BILLION OF EM!" No. Just, after we saw it in Alien, that was a played path, and ultimately nothing really new was shown to us in Alien 3, beyond the novelty of the alien being a quadruped species. That, again, didn't really show us much that was radically new. That's all design elements. In terms of story opportunities, As much as I hate to say it, even Resurrection did more with the Alien than Alien 3 ever did.

I've always thought an interesting direction to take the series would be, somewhat inspired by those scenes between Gediman and the alien in the cage. Or, something similar to "Day of the Dead" Where we get some really nice mad science going, and have the Alien revealed to be so much more than just bugs. Finally "squash" that notion. That was another reason I loved the Gibson draft. Everything that was learned in Aliens by Hicks was applied in his strategy to beat the aliens, and it ended up backfiring, because the aliens were in a state of change. That's exactly how they should have evolved from 2 to 3. Not just another alien killing people, but something more. Something beyond. They're not simply bugs, they're an adaptable species that can twist and morph based on the situations you put them into. 

To clarify, when I refer to Gibson's script, I mean the second draft. That one had only three aliens.

Quote from: Crazy shrimp on Jun 06, 2014, 10:24:30 PM

Quote from: AVP1974 on Jun 06, 2014, 09:59:49 PM
.......maby they could make her the antagonist of the movie. She turns on the humans and like a queen xenemorph she can control the xenomorphs....... ::)

Oh f**kn-A. Why not. She has the aliens DNA inside of her. Maybe she'll develop an ovipositor and start laying eggs. Just like how the queen developed a womb in A|R. After all of the times she's been screwed over for the higher percentage maybe she would want to change the world into one huge love nest where everyone works together. Proving that the aliens were the good guys all along.

bwahaha.

I have come to the conclusion that I am the only fan that would have wanted to see Ripley, Newt, Hicks and Bishop in an action-packed Alien 3 with them destroying the alien homeworld. Or just action packed in general, with those four core characters.

What's wrong with wanting that kind of sequel? Had this series taken that direction, it would've been wildly more successful. Perhaps on the Terminator franchise's level.

Because Terminator is doing so well these days.

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 07, 2014, 06:20:06 AM
I have come to the conclusion that I am the only fan that would have wanted to see Ripley, Newt, Hicks and Bishop in an action-packed Alien 3 with them destroying the alien homeworld. Or just action packed in general, with those four core characters.

What's wrong with wanting that kind of sequel? Had this series taken that direction, it would've been wildly more successful. Perhaps on the Terminator franchise's level.

Only fan? Don't think so lowly of yourself. That is pretty much what I was expecting of the 3rd alien movie. Instead what we got was Alien³... which was good and all but come on guys, when can we expect that aliens sequel?

The terminator is a mess. It was those goddamn terminator-motorcycles that did it in.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Jun 07, 2014, 02:01:55 AM

Quote from: Crazy shrimp on Jun 06, 2014, 10:24:30 PM

Quote from: AVP1974 on Jun 06, 2014, 09:59:49 PM
.......maby they could make her the antagonist of the movie. She turns on the humans and like a queen xenemorph she can control the xenomorphs....... ::)

Oh f**kn-A. Why not. She has the aliens DNA inside of her. Maybe she'll develop an ovipositor and start laying eggs. Just like how the queen developed a womb in A|R. After all of the times she's been screwed over for the higher percentage maybe she would want to change the world into one huge love nest where everyone works together. Proving that the aliens were the good guys all along.

bwahaha.

....... OK her laying eggs, and the xenomorphs being the "good guys" is quite a stetch.......

....... But Sigourney being the antagonist would be something different.......

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 07, 2014, 06:20:06 AM
I have come to the conclusion that I am the only fan that would have wanted to see Ripley, Newt, Hicks and Bishop in an action-packed Alien 3 with them destroying the alien homeworld. Or just action packed in general, with those four core characters.

What's wrong with wanting that kind of sequel? Had this series taken that direction, it would've been wildly more successful. Perhaps on the Terminator franchise's level.

Because it would have been tedious and predictable. And don't worry, you're definitely not alone. Maybe you just have a persecution complex. It's rather common with a majority of people, in fact, to ironically feel like the minority.

I wouldn't have minded Hicks and Newt sticking around though, but certainly not in the way you've suggested it. But even though I don't have any problems with those two characters, many of their fans have made their deaths hilarious and satisfying to me. "DEY KILLD X AND NOOT!!!!!!!", lol.

As for Sigourney Weaver returning, whatever. Maybe it could be done right, but I've long been ready for the franchise to move on from the Ripley character.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 07, 2014, 06:59:25 AM
Because Terminator is doing so well these days.

I'm talking about box office. A movie with Alien in the title, or aliens prominently in it, has never grossed Terminator: Salvation numbers.

Terminator is doing far better than Alien anyway. Most franchises are. It's one thing to have one or two misfires in your movie franchise, but when there are four poorly received movies in a row (3, 4, and the AvP's) there is a real, authentic issue. Not to mention, the succeeding spin-off/loose prequel was very divisive (although I love Prometheus).

This franchise struggles to reach its full potential.

Terminator 3 and Salvation were poorly received by critics from what I remember.



They made a bunch of money but they were mediocre films. 

Dude. Again. I am talking about box office. Terminator 3 is fresh on rotten tomatoes anyway. Alien 3 and 4 and salvation are all rotten.

Please learn how to read.

lol when what I was saying and what you were saying have to be the same thing

Nobody takes the terminator franchise seriously anymore.  Thanks to time travel and their ability to continually f**k with their own timelines it has evolved into another transformers series instead of what it once was.

Your also not adjusting for inflation because Terminator 2 is the bell cow for the Terminator series if you did and the second place out of EVERY Aliens/AvP/Prometheus/Terminator film would go to Alien. 

The people say that Alien 3 and Terminator Salvation are the same by imdbs rating.  Nobody gives a shit about the critics. 


Tip:  If you want to keep up the toughguy internet persona on an AvP forum, you should probably change your name to douchebag. 

I mean they don't have to be the same thing, but that's typically how a dialogue works.

People take terminator more seriously than alien. Look at the people involved with the new one. Lots of talent. And there are only two bad terminator movies as opposed to four. And at least the terminator movies have good special fx. Alien 3 and 4 look like video games.

Lol tough guy? Since when was wanting to have a discussion the same as being a tough guy? Psycho.

That's because they were made in the 2000's.  The last Alien movie came out in 97.



There has been lots of talent on every Alien movie without AvP in the title.  Unless you don't think Fincher, Juenet, or Whedon measure up.  Talent doesn't necessarily make a good product.  Otherwise the Yankees would be champions every year.  This harkens back to my original point.  That Terminator series has devolved into silly trash with people thinking no more or less of it than the later Alien films.  I don't even care about the dick waving contest you insist on having with the Alien and Terminator franchises as that wasn't MY original point. 

It'd take a miracle for people to get 5 and 6 back on track as being anything more than Transformers like entertainment.

If you want Transformers Aliens with the crew getting into bigger and badder firefights with bigger and badder and more numerous Aliens then you want what a lot of people want.  Eventually you have to try something new because people will stop paying to see the same thing over and over  The Alien series has already gotten its  try something new experimental sequel out of the way and can retread Aliens in the future if it wants because after Alien 3 and Alien Res a retread of Aliens would be new. 

Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 07, 2014, 12:55:19 AM
To clarify, when I refer to Gibson's script, I mean the second draft. That one had only three aliens.

Oh, okay. I'm still reading through that one.  :)

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 07, 2014, 03:09:45 PM

Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 07, 2014, 06:59:25 AM
Because Terminator is doing so well these days.

I'm talking about box office. A movie with Alien in the title, or aliens prominently in it, has never grossed Terminator: Salvation numbers.

Terminator is doing far better than Alien anyway. Most franchises are. It's one thing to have one or two misfires in your movie franchise, but when there are four poorly received movies in a row (3, 4, and the AvP's) there is a real, authentic issue. Not to mention, the succeeding spin-off/loose prequel was very divisive (although I love Prometheus).

This franchise struggles to reach its full potential.

Jaws 'franchise' is worse off than Alien's.Dead.

Jaws is not a relevant franchise. Hasn't been a Jaws film in decades. Sorry. Try again later.

oh oh here's an idea, Jaws meets Aliens! WY scientist bread the most dangerous creature by splicing jaws dna with xeno dan. The purpose of this movie is to show us why the bioweapons department so desperately wanted an alien. So they could create the ultimate summer blockbuster.

You know what an awesome aliens movie would be, having the aliens invade the solar system and the marines trying to halt their progress. When an infection breaks out they go in to mop it up. However everyone knows about it. Or would that be too star ship troopers?

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 07, 2014, 09:33:40 PM
Jaws is not a relevant franchise. Hasn't been a Jaws film in decades. Sorry. Try again later.

*Forwards to Hollywood executive looking for reboot ideas, makes fortune :laugh:

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Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 07, 2014, 09:33:40 PM
Jaws is not a relevant franchise. Hasn't been a Jaws film in decades. Sorry. Try again later.

*Forwards to Hollywood executive looking for reboot ideas, makes fortune :laugh:

Oh. You're joking, now. Give it three months and you'll be face palming something fierce.  :laugh:

Spoiler

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Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 07, 2014, 09:39:37 PM

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 07, 2014, 09:33:40 PM
Jaws is not a relevant franchise. Hasn't been a Jaws film in decades. Sorry. Try again later.

*Forwards to Hollywood executive looking for reboot ideas, makes fortune :laugh:

Sharknado crossover.  8)

Not sure about Alien 5, I think at least the franchise is lucky enough to stop and continue as spinoffs, rather than painfully dragging the series on, then ending up as direct to video movie or with a reboot from all the mess created. And to be honest, Im completely not interested in whereabouts of the mutant 8 that Weaver played in Resurrection. Ripley was a great character, mutant 8 was not , for me at least.

Quote from: Crazy shrimp on Jun 06, 2014, 10:24:30 PM

Quote from: AVP1974 on Jun 06, 2014, 09:59:49 PM
.......maby they could make her the antagonist of the movie. She turns on the humans and like a queen xenemorph she can control the xenomorphs....... ::)

This.  Ripley 8 should mutate further and become an antagonist.

As I said before, no more super powered Ripley. :P

I doubt weaver would ever go for being a villain in a franchise she was a heroine in anyway. 

Spoiler

She was kind of a villain in Cabin in the Woods.

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Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 07, 2014, 09:58:34 PM
And to be honest, Im completely not interested in whereabouts of the mutant 8 that Weaver played in Resurrection. Ripley was a great character, mutant 8 was not , for me at least.

Pretty much how I feel about it. I would add, though, I think Ripley 8 could be an interesting character, but I highly doubt the powers that be would pick the writer and director to really see that kind of thing through, nor would they be interested in making that kind of a film from a financial standpoint.

Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 07, 2014, 10:39:56 PM

Spoiler

She was kind of a villain in Cabin in the Woods.

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Yeah but she was always a hero in the Alien series.  I just don't think she would go for somebody writing her as an antagonist in the Alien series. 

Finish Ripley's story? Didn't that happen in 3? 0___o
People's stories tend to end after falling into a vat of molten metal...
I would not be excited if I heard there was an Alien 5, I can't see how it wouldn't be a car crash.

Correction: I would not be excited for an Alien 5 with Ripley. Someone might still be able to do something interesting with the universe still.

She'd still be a hero of sorts if she uses her powers and her influences over the aliens to destroy the assholes who want to turn them into bioweapons.

Possibly.

I just see them doing something tacky let having Ripley be a total psycho killer bitch for 3/4s of the movie and then having call explain the meaning of humanity to her the last quarter and having her kill all the aliens or someshit. 

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 07, 2014, 06:40:53 PM
Dude. Again. I am talking about box office.

Box office! I'm sure the 'Terminatrix' or whatever grossed more than 'Life is Beautiful' or 'Doubt'. Aaaaand, I know which side of that fence I'm on.

I'd like a compelling Alien movie, or nothin' at all.

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 07, 2014, 07:43:37 PM


People take terminator more seriously than alien.

Maybe you do.

Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 07, 2014, 11:24:11 PM
Possibly.

I just see them doing something tacky let having Ripley be a total psycho killer bitch for 3/4s of the movie and then having call explain the meaning of humanity to her the last quarter and having her kill all the aliens or someshit.

Not a psycho, just pissed off.  She wouldn't unleash the aliens on innocents, just the bad guys and their mooks.

That would take the horror out of it though.  Unless you told the movie from a corporate perspective. 

I always wanted an Alien Resurrection follow up to have Ripley 8 and Call on the lam as ambiguous lesbian lovers, with Ripley eventually slowly, grotesquely reverting to a more Alien form and Call eventually having to finally put her out of her misery at the climax.

But that's just me >_>

It was you that wrote that fake Prometheus script. 

Please.

It's already there in Resurrection.

Spoiler

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I'm not convinced.  Two dudes turned homosexual by a space jockey who later fights an Alien in hand to hand combat sounds right up your alley. 

Nope. That script was turrible.

Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 07, 2014, 11:52:29 PM
I always wanted an Alien Resurrection follow up to have Ripley 8 and Call on the lam as ambiguous lesbian lovers, with Ripley eventually slowly, grotesquely reverting to a more Alien form and Call eventually having to finally put her out of her misery at the climax.

But that's just me >_>

I'd write the hell out of that.  :D Right up my alley.

Quote from: Cvalda on Jun 08, 2014, 12:13:30 AM
Nope. That script was turrible.

Even the "Feline solution" ?  :laugh:

I like the lesbian love between Call & Ripley. The other part got kind of creepy.

especially putting Ripley 8 out of misery during climax.  Unnecessarily cruel. 

I can't help myself, I want to see Ripley 8 laying eggs. Oh and for the face huger to have human slongs.

Okay, here's where I stand on this -  Ridley's ALIEN turned out to be an awesome movie back in '79, and happened to make a big star out of Sigourney Weaver along the way.  Deservedly so, as she was great in it.  And then Cameron made her an even bigger star with his excellent sequel, which she was even more terrific in.  But then it was became inevitable that the studio thought the 'ALIEN' franchise was all about getting Sigourney back onboard, no matter what...rather than just concentrating on coming up with a really good 'alien' storyline first and foremost...and so she ended up with the necessary clout to actually dictate how ALIEN 3's storyline should go, amongst other things.

Unfortunately for most fans of the franchise, the direction that she wanted for herself and the storyline of ALIEN 3 was a big disappointment overall compared to the thrills of the previous 2 movies...especially after what had been hinted at in it's teaser trailer.  It turned out to be an unnecessarily downbeat affair throughout...filled with mostly unsympathetic characters and a disappointingly unimpressive alien.  And while interesting to see, it's eventual special edition version didn't improve things any, as far as I'm concerned.  But if that had been the end of Sigourney's involvement in the franchise, then fair enough...even though it was a miserable, and nihilistic final chapter.

...except we then got an even worse follow-up in the shape of the ridiculous ALIEN RESURRECTION!

While I'd rather that the 4th entry had never been made at all, I would still prefer to see some kind of conclusion to 'Ripley clone 8's story, if there's a possibility that Sigourney is up for it still.  One of that movie's many flaws is the fact that that we just end on a kind of open-ended conclusion (in both cuts) to what happens to Sigourney's new character.  Not that I particularly cared either way at the time, as I was so annoyed with what had been done to an initially great franchise...UNTIL I happened to come across this brilliantly conceived 'what if' storyline a while back -

It's written by a guy called Gavin Singleton (formerly known as 'Snorkelbottom' on the site I'm linking to), and is well worth a read for anyone that would like to have some kind of conclusion for 'Ripley clone 8' and the rest of the gang once they landed back on Earth.  Especially as another movie with Sigourney's character is unlikely to come about at this point, despite her latest comments.

This excellent little short story starts at the top of this page, and the writer then continues it in sections throughout the comments underneath over the next 7 pages (so be sure to click onto them at the bottom and keep reading till the end!)  Well worth your time, and I would certainly be open to an ALIEN RESURRECTION follow-up that went along these lines... - 

http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/13424 (http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/13424)

QuoteBut then it was became inevitable that the studio thought the 'ALIEN' franchise was all about getting Sigourney back onboard, no matter what...rather than just concentrating on coming up with a really good 'alien' storyline first and foremost...and so she ended up with the necessary clout to actually dictate how ALIEN 3's storyline should go, amongst other things.

Despite the fact they explored three different scripts that didn't have Ripley.

QuoteUnfortunately for most fans of the franchise, the direction that she wanted for herself and the storyline of ALIEN 3 was a big disappointment overall compared to the thrills of the previous 2 movies...especially after what had been hinted at in it's teaser trailer.  It turned out to be an unnecessarily downbeat affair throughout...filled with mostly unsympathetic characters and a disappointingly unimpressive alien.  And while interesting to see, it's eventual special edition version didn't improve things any, as far as I'm concerned.  But if that had been the end of Sigourney's involvement in the franchise, then fair enough...even though it was a miserable, and nihilistic final chapter.

The story was dictated by Ward, Giler, Hill, Ferguson and Fincher.

QuoteWhile I'd rather that the 4th entry had never been made at all, I would still prefer to see some kind of conclusion to 'Ripley clone 8's story, if there's a possibility that Sigourney is up for it still.  One of that movie's many flaws is the fact that that we just end on a kind of open-ended conclusion (in both cuts) to what happens to Sigourney's new character.  Not that I particularly cared either way at the time, as I was so annoyed with what had been done to an initially great franchise...

The original intention was to do an Alien 5 right after Resurrection.

Quote from: SM on Jun 08, 2014, 11:12:42 PM

QuoteBut then it was became inevitable that the studio thought the 'ALIEN' franchise was all about getting Sigourney back onboard, no matter what...rather than just concentrating on coming up with a really good 'alien' storyline first and foremost...and so she ended up with the necessary clout to actually dictate how ALIEN 3's storyline should go, amongst other things.

Despite the fact they explored three different scripts that didn't have Ripley.

They did - but still went with Ripley in the end. I think Jonesy's right here -- especially if you take Sigourney's A:R package into consideration (wasn't she a producer on that one too? I'd have to check). The bankable star and all that...

She got a co-producer credit on 3 and Resurrection.  JPJ said she didn't actually do any producing, but since she asked, she got.  However, when you read her diaries at the time she did seem to be doing some producer-like duties; like going into bat for the film when the budget was constantly being hammered by Fox.

Wasn't Weaver the driving force behind Ripley dying and the pseudo-Alien love scene in Res?

Driving force is overstating it.  It was a wish list of sorts.

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 09, 2014, 10:14:07 AM
Wasn't Weaver the driving force behind Ripley dying and the pseudo-Alien love scene in Res?

According to Ward, yeah. He recounts it in the stuff on the quad. She wanted out of the series, so he had her walk out into the fire... And then something happened, the studio wanted an alternate ending, so one of the other characters performed some strange exorcism type of thing to force the queen from her body. Then they of course found their way back to a wall of fire and self sacrifice.

As JC put it, between Alien 3 and Four, she got just about everything she wanted. (No guns, exit from the franchise in Alien 3, and pseudo-implied-maybe-sex with the alien in Res) Though I think if she had her way the alien sex may have been more direct and explicit. I don't know why she wanted to bone the damn Alien, but even in the commentary for the first one she remarks it would have been interesting to play around with that final sequence more and had the Alien more interested. Eeeh...

I'm a little late to this party but...

I'd prefer it they did an original Alien film with new characters, new locations but familiar settings, in the future, with ships or space stations or colonies and etc. That said, Ripley 8 does have some potential in her character arc and what she could do for the story with her connection to the Aliens...but I really don't want it to become grandma vs Aliens and if they did do it, I'd like to see her story finally tied up but left open for spin-offs.

Quote from: SM on Jun 09, 2014, 10:03:40 AM
She got a co-producer credit on 3 and Resurrection.  JPJ said she didn't actually do any producing, but since she asked, she got.  However, when you read her diaries at the time she did seem to be doing some producer-like duties; like going into bat for the film when the budget was constantly being hammered by Fox.

Don't we have Weaver to thank for no guns in Alien 3?

BUT THERE WERE GUNS IN ALIEN 3.

Yeah, but Weaver didn't have to use one.

Somebody really should've just jacked up Sigourney's paycheck and made it another gun movie. But this time include scientists, heavy sci-fi elements, a strong Weyland Yutani presence, etc.

Instead we get some... depressing, grimy solo adventure that features interspersed attacks from a cartoon alien shape? That's how you springboard off the backs of Alien and Aliens? Alllllll righty then okay thanks Sigourney cool nice.

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 10, 2014, 07:07:24 AMSomebody really should've just jacked up Sigourney's paycheck and made it another gun movie. But this time include scientists, heavy sci-fi elements, a strong Weyland Yutani presence, etc.

Instead we get some... depressing, grimy solo adventure that features interspersed attacks from a cartoon alien shape? That's how you springboard off the backs of Alien and Aliens? Alllllll righty then okay thanks Sigourney cool nice.

The best thing Aliens did was be completely different to Alien. I feel exactly the same way about Alien 3.

I don't want a bunch of sequel-clones of Aliens, because chances are they wouldn't be anywhere near as good.

Indeed. 

A good story...great visuals...good supporting cast. This is the formula for success for the another film in the ALIEN franchise imho  ;)

Do you guys consider the Gibson script an Aliens clone?

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 10, 2014, 07:32:03 AM

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 10, 2014, 07:07:24 AMSomebody really should've just jacked up Sigourney's paycheck and made it another gun movie. But this time include scientists, heavy sci-fi elements, a strong Weyland Yutani presence, etc.

Instead we get some... depressing, grimy solo adventure that features interspersed attacks from a cartoon alien shape? That's how you springboard off the backs of Alien and Aliens? Alllllll righty then okay thanks Sigourney cool nice.

The best thing Aliens did was be completely different to Alien. I feel exactly the same way about Alien 3.

I don't want a bunch of sequel-clones of Aliens, because chances are they wouldn't be anywhere near as good.

I'm not saying that hahahahahaha. The presence of guns does not an Aliens clone make.

Hell, you guys are hypocrites for saying that because Aliens has the exact same structure as Alien! And while other franchises around that time like Terminator, Lethal Weapon and Die Hard had sequels that kept getting bigger and better (and note the increase in box office!) Alien 3 was stuck with making $160 million worldwide. It could've followed the trajectory of those other sequels and make upwards of $200 million.

Alien 3 follows the exact same structure as the previous movies with only a slight alteration to the opening act.  That doesn't mean anything.  It's the content inbetween that a movie makes not the fact that it follows a set structure.......as there is only so many of those that exist in storytelling. 

It doesn't matter now since Sigourney Weaver will have her fill of scifi because she just agreed to do 3 more avatar movies for Jimmy. 

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 10, 2014, 05:50:00 PMHell, you guys are hypocrites for saying that because Aliens has the exact same structure as Alien!

Story structure has nothing to do with it. Tonally, the films are completely different. Alien is straight-up horror, Aliens is action.

As Kimarhi said, there's a hell of a lot more to a film than it's basic plot structure.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 10, 2014, 05:34:10 PM
Do you guys consider the Gibson script an Aliens clone?

Not the second draft. The first draft, on the other hand...

I always thought Gibson's draft would work for a different horror movie than an Alien one. 

Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 10, 2014, 07:32:03 AM

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 10, 2014, 07:07:24 AMSomebody really should've just jacked up Sigourney's paycheck and made it another gun movie. But this time include scientists, heavy sci-fi elements, a strong Weyland Yutani presence, etc.

Instead we get some... depressing, grimy solo adventure that features interspersed attacks from a cartoon alien shape? That's how you springboard off the backs of Alien and Aliens? Alllllll righty then okay thanks Sigourney cool nice.

The best thing Aliens did was be completely different to Alien. I feel exactly the same way about Alien 3.

Looking for 'like' button...

You guys are so funny. Different is synonymous with good?

Naw because then Prometheus would be good.


bah dum tish. 

Nope. It's old school scifi at its finest. They don't make em like Prometheus anymore. God bless Sir Scott.

It is f**king terribad. 

Bad plot, sloppy editing, poor characters.  It's a shithouse big budget fx piece with big names slapped onto it to draw in the masses. 

That's what I always read from detractors, but never see any examples. It's just people regurgitating three minor things that don't detract from the overall experience. These are: petting the snake, not moving out of the way of the falling ship, and Weyland's makeup.

And you just said "terribad".

They did move out of the way of the falling ship.

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 11, 2014, 01:09:46 AM
That's what I always read from detractors, but never see any examples. It's just people regurgitating three minor things that don't detract from the overall experience. These are: petting the snake, not moving out of the way of the falling ship, and Weyland's makeup.

And you just said "terribad".

::)

Negro please. 

It's terrible because it is a nonsensical hack job promising to explain the mysteries of creation when it ends up answering nothing at all.  It isn't profound.  It isn't meaningful.  It is an average space exploratory film that is horrendously boring for major portions of its run time where the characters do incredibly stupid things to propel the plot forward. 

If you like it fine.

But I hope to god no other movie in either Prometheus or the Alien series is anything like Prometheus.  It is a pleb tier film on the level of Alien Resurrection.   

Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 10, 2014, 06:38:28 PM

Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 10, 2014, 05:34:10 PM
Do you guys consider the Gibson script an Aliens clone?

Not the second draft. The first draft, on the other hand...

Fair enough.  The second draft is the one I'd have liked to see.

Quote from: SM on Jun 11, 2014, 01:13:07 AM
They did move out of the way of the falling ship.

I know that, and you know that. But many people still complain about this non-issue regarding Vickers.

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Quote from: Kimarhi on Jun 11, 2014, 01:48:11 AM

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 11, 2014, 01:09:46 AM
That's what I always read from detractors, but never see any examples. It's just people regurgitating three minor things that don't detract from the overall experience. These are: petting the snake, not moving out of the way of the falling ship, and Weyland's makeup.

And you just said "terribad".

::)

Negro please. 

It's terrible because it is a nonsensical hack job promising to explain the mysteries of creation when it ends up answering nothing at all.  It isn't profound.  It isn't meaningful.  It is an average space exploratory film that is horrendously boring for major portions of its run time where the characters do incredibly stupid things to propel the plot forward. 

If you like it fine.

But I hope to god no other movie in either Prometheus or the Alien series is anything like Prometheus.  It is a pleb tier film on the level of Alien Resurrection.

The movie didn't promise anything, including answers. It may not be profound or meaningful, but it leaves much to discussion, and that's all I ever ask for a sci-fi film. At least with Prometheus you get myriad different great scenes like: David and the orrery, David alone, engineer sacrifice, c-section, etc.

The movie, lol, did not owe you anything. And couldn't, even if it tried, because it's a... it's a movie. It's not a living organism.

You owe me my time back from reading your post.

I will never understand Weaver's denial over not knowing how militaristic Aliens was going to be. It's in the script. Clear as day. Marines with guns. Marines with guns shooting aliens. Yadda-yadda...

I have to agree though, each of the three Alien movies are, if nothing else, fairly distinct from one another in most respects. Though I still think Aliens does a far better job of doing something different from Alien.  It reuses some of the same framework as Alien, but it does a very different story with some of the same plot/action beats. Alien 3 is just kind of a glorious mess. Don't get me wrong, I say that with a lot of love. Alien 3, in either of it's two forms, is a mess. It's surprising it works at all given the BTS BS.

I would enjoy another action-suspense story with the Alien, the problem is you have got to get the characters right. Alien and Aliens still hold the best characters out of the whole series.

I'd love to see a 'Predator' style Alien movie. By that, I mean, using a similar plot/story structure, but using the tools of the Alien universe. Humans entering into a hostile situation, showing a high level of competence, and then having that sudden sharp turn where they come up against the Alien and have to deal with it in ways we haven't yet seen. You could have multiple aliens, or just one, but that's where i'd want an Alien 5 to go, personally. If you wanted, you could include Ripley into that, but frankly her character's time has come and gone. Nobody in Hollywood is going to want to lead off Resurrection. Everyone knows it wasn't a critical hit. Even people who enjoy it.

I doubt Weaver herself has much clout anymore, either. It's been quite some time since she did anything that I found to be particularly stellar or noteworthy. No offense intended to her, either. She's done a lot of amazing stuff in her career. Just not lately. Not that i'm aware of. If someone wants to point to something she's done in the last few years that's truly noteworthy I stand corrected.

I don't think it should be a simple mission movie. Audiences want more nowadays. They need more. Something like Inception. Notice how films like Pandorum don't gross much? That's why I can't wait for Prometheus 2. It'll be another food-for-thought type movie in the Alien universe a'la Prometheus.

It's not about Weaver's clout. If you get Weaver in another Alien movie, with a great director, it has blockbuster potential. A movie with Weaver in the lead role that's not an Alien movie? Okay, question that. But not a Weaver Alien movie.

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 11, 2014, 03:09:42 AM
I don't think it should be a simple mission movie. Audiences want more nowadays. They need more. Something like Inception. Notice how films like Pandorum don't gross much? That's why I can't wait for Prometheus 2. It'll be another food-for-thought type movie in the Alien universe a'la Prometheus.

I didn't say it would be a simple "mission" movie. Just borrowing the general idea of competent individuals being thrust into a very sudden change in situation. Something we haven't seen in the series since Aliens.

Inception is a straightforward action-suspense film with one added layer. People enjoy entertainment when it's executed with some finesse. Prometheus was the first film in the series since the early 90s to actually do something of visual scope. It's screenplay shortfalls, thanks Lindelof, are it's biggest failing.

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 11, 2014, 03:09:42 AM
It's not about Weaver's clout. If you get Weaver in another Alien movie, with a great director, it has blockbuster potential. A movie with Weaver in the lead role that's not an Alien movie? Okay, question that. But not a Weaver Alien movie.

I do question it. Severely. The character was laid to rest in 1992, and it should have stayed there.

Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 11, 2014, 03:17:21 AM
Prometheus was the first film in the series since the early 90s to actually do something of visual scope. It's screenplay shortfalls, thanks Lindelof, are it's biggest failing.

I blame Spaihts as much or more than I blame Lindelof, to be frank. His big ideas were about different colored xeno eggs that produced different kinds of xenos. :laugh: And of course Ridley had to cut a bunch of scenes out that would have given the plot some more sanity.

Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 11, 2014, 03:20:42 AM

Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 11, 2014, 03:17:21 AM
Prometheus was the first film in the series since the early 90s to actually do something of visual scope. It's screenplay shortfalls, thanks Lindelof, are it's biggest failing.

I blame Spaihts as much or more than I blame Lindelof, to be frank. His big ideas were about different colored xeno eggs that produced different kinds of xenos. :laugh: And of course Ridley had to cut a bunch of scenes out that would have given the plot some more sanity.

Uh no, Spaihts' idea was that the engineers had a hand in creating humanity. He is a Princeton-educated man, don't shortchange him. He also came up with the caesarean on the spot. That scene got him the job.

And I don't think the eggs were different colors, perse, they were just merely different. I mean, he was hired to write an Alien movie after all.

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 11, 2014, 03:09:42 AM
I don't think it should be a simple mission movie. Audiences want more nowadays. They need more. Something like Inception. Notice how films like Pandorum don't gross much?

Unfortunately, I dont think thats really the case, otherwise Michael Bays movies wouldnt be such smash hits (transformers). It seems to me its all evened out, some hits are deeper , like Inception as an example given, and some are just pure "thrills" (for some), like Transformers or Avengers

Well, Transformers has big-budgeted special effects. Robots! And then the humor.

An Alien film would never be budgeted that high.

Quote from: Lemonade on Jun 11, 2014, 03:34:04 AM
Uh no, Spaihts' idea was that the engineers had a hand in creating humanity.

He actually didn't say that in his script. Not exactly. The broader stroked version we got in Prometheus came from Lindelof. Spaights was much more scientifically literate in his take, humanity already existed when the Engineers came along and fiddled with us. That actually is much more plausible. 

Quote from: KiramidHead on Jun 11, 2014, 03:20:42 AM
I blame Spaihts as much or more than I blame Lindelof, to be frank. His big ideas were about different colored xeno eggs that produced different kinds of xenos. :laugh: And of course Ridley had to cut a bunch of scenes out that would have given the plot some more sanity.

Well, both the original draft and the film as shot/edited have some really great ideas, and some great scenes, and then they both just have some really dumb elements. I think the biggest thing with Spaights draft that doesn't work is some of the alien stuff just seems to happen because aliens need to be happening. The better film lies somewhere between the two versions of the story.

Yes, I know. "Had a hand in creating humanity" hahahahaha.

Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 11, 2014, 03:54:52 AMWell, both the original draft and the film as shot/edited have some really great ideas, and some great scenes, and then they both just have some really dumb elements.

As much as I want to love Prometheus, it's those dumb elements that just completely ruin it for me. In any other movie, I'd probably be able to forgive supposedly smart scientists doing really stupid shit to further the plot, but the impression Prometheus gives is that it's trying to be some deep, spiritual, intelligent spectacle, and the blatantly stupid stuff totally undermines that.

That and the fact they threw in the token chestbursting with something that's almost an Alien, but not quite, just because.

Quote from: OpenMaw on Jun 11, 2014, 03:17:21 AMI do question it. Severely. The character was laid to rest in 1992, and it should have stayed there.

I still marvel at the fact they had the balls to kill Ripley in Alien 3. I can't think of a single other blockbuster franchise that offed it's lead character after a bunch of films. If Weaver was at all involved in that decision it was a good one. (Until they arbitrarily undid it in the next film.)

Ripley suggested to Cameron that she wanted Ripley to die (amongst other things).  Which would've played into Ward's thinking as he and Fasano orginally had Brother John 'exorcise' the Alien out of Ripley.  It came up her throat and into him, leaving her alive and him to walk into the burning abbey.

Quote from: SM on Jun 11, 2014, 08:20:49 AM
Ripley suggested to Cameron that she Ripley to die (amongst other things).

*Is picturing a fourth wall breaking moment between Ripley and Cameron*

Ripley: Please... Kill me.
Cameron: u wot?

Which she effectively did in Alien3 when she looked right down the barrel of the camera asking Dillon - and the audience - to kill her.

Quote from: SM on Jun 11, 2014, 08:20:49 AMRipley suggested to Cameron that she wanted Ripley to die (amongst other things).  Which would've played into Ward's thinking as he and Fasano orginally had Brother John 'exorcise' the Alien out of Ripley.  It came up her throat and into him, leaving her alive and him to walk into the burning abbey.

Yeah, I've read that. I actually think Ward's script is overrated. The wooden planet is cool but a bit daft, and beyond that there isn't much I like about it. He makes some really random and nonsensical changes to the Alien, like when it turns its skin into wood to hide, or a Chestburster pops out of the Abbot's head for... no reason.

I do like the bit where the monks in the khazi get it though. And obviously the creature's death was awesome enough to make it into the final film.

Ward's script is self-indulgent and pretentious.

I liked the heavy religious theme's in Wad's script, but the story telling was a complete mess.