Poll
Question:
What's your favourite Alien movie?
Option 1: Alien
votes: 377
Option 2: Aliens
votes: 592
Option 3: Alien 3
votes: 115
Option 4: Alien: Resurrection
votes: 41
Option 5: Prometheus
votes: 8
Option 6: Alien: Covenant
votes: 7
What's your favourite Alien movie?
Aliens, then Alien, then Alien 3, then Res.
Quote from: The Ultimate Predator on Nov 17, 2006, 11:21:41 PM
Aliens, then Alien, then Alien 3, then Res.
Yeah, that's my order too.
Cool. Alien comes close to Aliens, but I do enjoy watching all of them since I've got the Quadrilogy set. ;D
I can never choose. I love the first three equally. Hate Res though. :-\
Aliens
Alien
Alien 3
Alien Res.
Aliens, Alien, Alien 3, Alien Ressurection.
I'll have to say the order they came out, actually. :)
Alien, Aliens, Alien3, Resurrection.
I think action is great and all that, but the creepy eerie feeling and intensity of Alien, I just don't think Aliens can match. But I put both movies very close together still.
Alien
Alien³
Aliens
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You like 3 more than Aliens?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 13, 2006, 11:54:35 AM
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Any particular reason? Don't get me wrong, I'm not slamming you or anything - I like 1/2/3 all the same.
I liked the dark, eerie beauty of the movie. The bleak hopelessness that underlies the notion that nothing is certain and that one shouldn't expect a "Hollywood ending".
Aliens has been called a "roller coaster ride of a movie". In a way, the third movie was as well, but instead of rising into the air, the "ride" takes you underground, where one can almost see the "dark Satanic Mills" that Blake had written about.
Sure, one sees what one searches for, but there was a greater opportunity in Alien³ for one to find all kinds of metaphor, as it didn't rely on convention as Aliens had. There were all kinds of symbolism to be found in Alien³, especially Gnostic and alchemical. If there is any religious symbolism to be found, it's not the kind taught in Sunday School in little black books and pastel-colored paperbacks. It is more likely to be found in the writings of Böhme and the paintings of Bosch.
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I really like 3 as well. I can't rate the first 3 in any order because I love them all for what they are. But seems you enjoy A3 for some the reasons I do. :) I loved the gothic feel to it, especially the soundtrack which helped enhance the experience.
Aliens
alien
Alien3
Though I have to re-watch 3 though, as I've seen the first loads of times.
Aliens
Alien
Alien Resurrection
Aliens. Gotta love the space marines. 8) Then Alien, Alien³ and Alien: Resurrection - like most people.
It's very hard for me on this one. Should I go with the classic original or the awesome sequel? I think when weighing the factores, Aliens comes up slightly ahead because more of the characters are likeable, and the dialogue is better. I'm a real stickler on the use of profanity. If you have to use it, say it in a method that makes sense and doesn't sound like a teenager saying it to sound cool. I also think that the reveal of the alien hive is one of the most disturbing sights to ever behold. The reveal of the queen was so subtle you almost don't think it's what it is until she moves. :o
gotta be Aliens for me! :)
ALIEN,{PURE NOSTALAGA}NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS
ALIENS
Definitely Aliens
But Alien has a more emotional significance for me :)
I stick A:R at the end of the list because it is a perversion, pure and simple. Nothing is pure at all except for the humans. Ripley is not all Ripley. The queen is not all alien, and neither are her spawn. They have very close resemblances, but the beasts also roar, which is very much new. The only explanation (other than bad direction or continuuity flaws) is that even the soldier aliens are tainted with human DNA remnants that gives them more vocal capeability than their usual hiss, shriek and squeel.
1. Aliens
2. Alien 3.
3. Alien
4. Alien: Resurrection
Alien/s/3
Alien Resurrection
I just can't seperate the first three into any order.
Aliens, Alien, Alien 3, A:R
Like most people ;D
My favorite Alien movie is #2, or Aliens .
To me it's got a little bit of everything, even some humor thanks to Hudson(Bill paxon).
He's seems to always play some sort of wise cracking character.
Take for example his role in Predator 2, he always acts big and bad, but we all know he's not.
Don''t get me wrong I like him, in Aliens he seems to be the one to at least laugh at his antics.
I just love when he tells everybody 'why don't we put her in charge', referring to Newt being able to survive that long on her own, before they got there.
I'll admit after Alien 3, I kind of lost interest. I REALLY hope they can do #5, get it back to the old days so to speak, to bad Sigourney's getting up there in age, but I say who cares, it would'nt
be an Alien movie without her.
Aliens, my reasons why....
A lot of Aliens.
Ripley.
Hudson's humor.
The badass Queen.
Wow that's tough, well if I had to rank, though I like them all here goes.
#4- Alien 4
#3- Alien 3
#2- Alien
#1- Aliens
wow that was hard, please don't make me do that again.. Ha-Ha!!!
Alien3--Assembly cut--more emotional and tense film...but it is usually a toss up between that and Alien.
Alien/Alien 3 (re-cut)/Aliens/Alien Res
Alien.
Introduced a NEW, weird creature into the horror movie fold, rather than the generic looking beasticles and monsters.
Aliens wasn't too shabby though.
Aliens 8)
Great effects and production design, multiple Aliens, the Queen, cool and interesting characters and exciting story
1.Aliens
2.aLien
3.Alien 3
4.Alien ressoruction
;)
Alien and Aliens was by far the greatest, gotta love that queen in the second. Ressurection was a let down and i hope if they make a fifth its not half as bad as that one.
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien
Alien Resurrection
Although I did enjoy AR a lot, it's still at the bottom, not because I hate it. In fact, I just finished watching it today, and I really can't share most of your opinions about it, I thought it was pretty kickass, I love all the Alien films. Comon! Who didn't like the underwater scene in AR?! That scene will stay with me for the rest of my life, god I love that scene. Newborn was funny and scary at the same time, that f**king thing looked freaky, I would piss in my pants if I saw something like that come at me, especially if it thinks im it's mother or father lol ;D
My vote goes for Aliens, really loved the marine action. Bill Paxton and Michael Beihn(Don't know how his last name is spelt) gave it a good feeling.
Aliens
Alien
Alien3
AlienRES
My favorite alien movie would have to be aliens. I love that movie. It makes way more sense then the first one. My favorite part would have to be when the first encounter the aliens..........
More like a marine slaughter =D
1- Alien
2- Aliens
3 - Alien3/ Resurrection
*waves hello to SM*
;D
I'd rank them as follows...
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien
Alien Resurrection
Now before everyone gets upset that I put Alien so low...I really love the first 3 movies. 3 just had some great scenes that really stuck with me. I suppose it is also the fact that I find 3 more rewatchable these days, at least the director's cut, than the original Alien film.
They are all great in my opinion, besides Resurrection that is.
Ok seeing as everyone else is ranking them.
1. Alien
2. Alien 3
3. Aliens
Some of you may have noticed that Alien ressurection was not there, that would be because in my mind that film does not exist. It was everything i didnt want in a Alien film. The colour scheme, the chracter, what they did with ripley and so on. Why oh why did joss wheddon write and allow fox to move it into production. Alien Resurrection has ruined any chance of an alien 5. Hence why alien vs predator was dawned. And even that was ruined.
I really dont see why fox and countless producers insist on letting really bad directors take control of franchise material thats so good! and let them ruin it (drives me crazy). Paul anderson claimed that he was a huge Alien and Predator fan............i think Alien Vs Predator pretty much explains alot lol.
End of rant :)
1. Alien
2. Alien 3
3. Alien Resurrection
4. Aliens
1.Alien Resurrection
2.Aliens
3.Alien3
4.Alien
My order:
1. Alien
2. Aliens
3. Alien Resurrection
4. Alien 3
Aliens by far :) In my opinion the best of the whole alien/predator series. It's probably the best monster movie ever made IMO 8)
It's good but, I didn't like how the Marines hire Ripley as an advisor but, they don't listen to a damn thing she says.. :P
1.Alien
2.Alien3
3Aliens
4.Alien:R
1.Aliens
2.Aliens 3
3.Alien
I sure didn't like Alien resurection at all!!
Aliens, Alien3 then Alien.
I don't even find Res entertaining. :-\
Gotta be Aliens. Great characters, great story, great creatures, great lighting...and then the ending! Just brilliant. It's a shame it suffers from the weakest transfer out of the 4 films on DVD.
Alien ! 8)
If I have to choose, I guess I would go with "A L I E N". On my thirteenth birthday my grandparents bought me the "Alien Trilogy" box set; I watched all three, in order, that night. So, I've always considered the "Trilogy" one three part movie. Altogether the first three alien films make up the best science/fiction story ever written, perhaps the best story period.
aliens
got to be aliens man
Have to say Aliens, Aliens Resurrection, Alien 3, and Alien. For me more is better.
I'm gonna be one of "those guys" and say Alien 3 (Special Edition) takes the cake as my personal favorite in the Alien films. Next would be Aliens, then Alien. I would rank Alien Resurrection in there, but I try hard to block that movie out of my cognition. :)
Alien
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien Resurrection
For me, its Aliens, because its loaded with the most action scenes, the first appearance of the Queen and I like the Marines.
Yeah the marines were the coolest bad ass ombres(I'm not spanish literate so ...) this side of the galaxy so ya aliens take the cake
Question that always plagued me: What makes them bad-ass, exactly?
They had cool guns and dialogue.
(Just ignore the fact they got their asses handed to them.)
(I find that expression works better with 'ass' rather than 'arse'.)
1/Aliens
Its all good, characters, action, story + dialogue, production design, and the queen. First film I saw of the four, I saw it when I was really young so I have a strong emotional attachment to it.
2/Alien
H.R. Giger's alien! Characters, cinematography, and some of the best production design ever.
3/Alien 3
After my initial displeasure the first time I saw it in the 90s I've grown to appreciate it much more. Fincher's stylistic conventions like those low camera angles are great. The look and downbeat feel of the film rocks. Also I've always loved the ending, it ends the trilogy appropriately.
4/Alien Resurrection
I'm a big fan of the director Jean-Pierre Jeunet (City Of Lost Children and Amelie, great flicks), his cinematography is fantastic, and the aliens themselves benefit from advancing technologies. Everything else is just a bad dream on celluloid. Although I credit the film for jump starting my rabid interest in movies.
aliens
alien
alien 3
alien res
what can i say alien is one hell of a movie (seen it about 48 times, know the script) its very strange how this movie has become an architype for action, yet it can never be duplicated eg. crappy doom lol like everyone here i am very biased towards alien movies and would never say any of them were bad, i think we all gained an appreciation for alien 3 after giving it a chance, i mean alien is a scary concept ship big ass alien, but a backwards prison- no weapons, all those shafts and tunnels, that is scary, but i think the fact there was only one alien made it alot scarier
Alien and R
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien 1 was a great film but, James Cameron in my opinion completely surpassed the first film with Aliens. It had everything that makes a great film.
Hands down my Fav :)
Aliens
Alien
Alien 3
Alien: Ressurection
Although I like all the movies and find they're all special in their own way.
Quote from: Predator Eldar on Mar 21, 2007, 07:26:17 AM
It had everything that makes a great film.
Every piece of dialogue being a one-liner, dated effects, 2D characters, guns, explosions, simplified components to appease a mass audience... ? :P
Still Aliens! ;D
Aliens is the best! I'm about to revisit the Alien world again, watch Alien,ALiens,Alien3,AR and AVP oh yay! It's been awhile.
I have to say Alien 3 is my fav. Just the way it starts out from the end of Aliens where it was all happy and they're going home and then Ripley has everything ripped away from her right from the start.
I love them all.
But,
Aliens ~ I just love every bit of it!!!!!!
Alien
Alien 3
A:R
Just joined the site, found a lot of useful stuff here 8)
Anyway, my favorite movie was Aliens, closely followed by Alien, then Alien Resurrection, and finally Alien 3.
I didn't care for Alien 3 that much, but it's still above AvP in my books :P
Ah well, glad to be joining this community. Thanks for the site :D
Alien3 - Aliens - Alien - Alien Resurrection
Alien 1 because it had the Space Jockey. ;D
1. Aliens (+marines,+++aliens,+++queen,++effects,++designs,++story,
++characters(++billpaxton^^)
2. Alien (+++original alien design,++++ambience,+++story)
3. Alien3 (+++new hybrid,++no weapons,+cool end,+++location,+character(+marv,dillon))
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..Alien Resurrection (++alien design,+alien animation--new born,--strory of cloning ripley,+jona(ronperlman^^))
Quote from: gameoverman on Apr 13, 2007, 04:27:22 PM
Alien 1 because it had the Space Jockey. ;D
So you're a Jockey man? Got your hands on Destroying Angels yet?
love all expet for Res it wasnt that good
Alien. One of my favorite movies of all time.
Alien 3. I liked the visual style, the alien design, the prison religion and the use of religious themes, the ending. And the theatrical cut version of Dillon (I didn't like the assembly cuts Dillon because he was too zealoutish).
Aliens. Once upon a time my favorite. Still good movie, but the nuclear family thing gets old, and the aspects of the marines just don't seem realistic to me anymore. I've lived next to combat soldiers (or with combat vets in the case of my grandfather) all my life and none of them sound like they do in Aliens. They are actual people, not Tarantinoesque badarses. I like it, I just don't like it as much as I did in the past.
Alien Res. I thought it was pretty great halfway into the film, but when the Aliens escape it all goes to heck. I like the humor in my stories to be in the dialogue during action/horror/scifi movies (unless of course its a comedy) rather than written into the script itself. Things like Perez pulling his brains out, and the guy at the beggining of the DC squishing the bug just aren't funny. It also kills the horror element. As does standing around talking in the open relatively unnervous about your situation. One or two good scenes from that point on (underwater/ladder scene was great imo) but little else. I don't mind the newborn, but I HATED how it was implemented.
AvP: Nice visuals, impressive cgi and animatronics involving the queen. Little else.
Here is my order of favorite alien movies.
Aliens
Alien
Alien 3
Yeah, i'm not even going to put Alien Resurrection on the
list. It doesnt deserve to be on the list. No Offense to Alien Res fans.
Aliens - Alien - Alien3
the aliens just looked wrong in Res
David Fincher is my favorite director. I loved the extremely dramatic tone to the third film.
....Though I love the shit out of Alien and Aliens as well. They're all really close.
Alien3
Aliens
Alien
AVP
Alien Resurrection
A tough question (really!) but on second thougths number one is Alien-still remember the creeps it gave me when I watched it for the first time in a small cinema with just a few people arond me!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 16, 2007, 07:58:25 AM
Quote from: gameoverman on Apr 13, 2007, 04:27:22 PM
Alien 1 because it had the Space Jockey. ;D
So you're a Jockey man? Got your hands on Destroying Angels yet?
They depict Jockeys as elephant-like, don't they?
Aliens 3
Alien3 and aliens are the best
hi ray remember me joshua?
Aliens and Alien are both my number 1 favourites and I like AvP, Alien 3 and Resurrection equally since they are not as good as alien and aliens.
Flame me like hell but I like Alien Resurrection - I saw it 6 times when it was first released. And I like the special edition even more.
I used to hate AVP too but now I'm growing to like it. I must be getting old and senile or something because why the hell am I liking AVP?
Quote from: gameoverman on May 18, 2007, 02:05:45 PM
Flame me like hell but I like Alien Resurrection - I saw it 6 times when it was first released. And I like the special edition even more.
I used to hate AVP too but now I'm growing to like it. I must be getting old and senile or something because why the hell am I liking AVP?
I get that also: whenever I am not in the mood to see a serious movie, a drama or something heavy, I say 'Ok, let's see AVP again...' :-[
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Flame me like hell but I like Alien Resurrection - I saw it 6 times when it was first released. And I like the special edition even more.
I used to hate AVP too but now I'm growing to like it. I must be getting old and senile or something because why the hell am I liking AVP?
I personally don't think it's THAT terrible. I wasn't too happy about the predator and human team-up, but I didn't think it was done too terribly. Plus Paul added tons of nods to the Alien movies, like the shot of her pulling herself up resembling the shot of Ripley pulling herself up in "Alien", and the flare sending the light beam across the wall like the scanner in "Aliens". I appreciated those little bits. I also found the unrated cut to be an improvement. Sure, they mainly just added CG blood, but I thought it was a hell of a lot more fun with it. The only two things I hated about it are all of the slow-motion and the fact that it felt much more like a predator film.
So in conclusion: I'm a gorehound who likes his action fast-paced. Needless to say, I'm looking forward to AVP2. :P
Alien. Aliens. Rez SE. Alien 3. AVP.
Modify: AVP used a shot from Rez, the slo mo jumping over the ravine.
Shoot me For saying so but.... Alien Resurrection is my favorite for a few reasons:
1. You see the Aliens like 20 min.s into the movie
2. Its got the Look of Alien (ships)
3. Its got the feel of Aliens
4. Its got some really good music
5. Its a wicked cool story
;D
- ALIENS ROCK!
Edit:
Now that I've watched them all I Like Aliens Better and Alien and Alien3 Are tied at second place but I still love Alien Resurrection.
Well, i aint going to shoot you but.....i do disagree.....especially about the story
I'll agree with 4. I think its got really mysterous and beautiful music, probably the best in the series.
I didn't appreciate the dark humor aspect in Alien Res. It just made it seem nobody took the previous films seriously. From the Director/Writers all the way down too the cast/characters themselves.
alien 4, alien 3, alien
Quote from: ELDERPREDATOR on Jun 12, 2007, 05:38:57 PM
alien 4, alien 3, alien
WHAT?!
NO love for ALIENS the movie?!
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 12, 2007, 05:49:33 PM
Quote from: ELDERPREDATOR on Jun 12, 2007, 05:38:57 PM
alien 4, alien 3, alien
WHAT?!
NO love for ALIENS the movie?!
Not only do they not have love for the ALIENS movie, but they also has Alien Res on their list :o
I say my favorites of the series are Aliens, Alien, Alien3, then Alien Resurrection. Aliens been the only movie that has given me nightmares after I had seen it.
Alien, Aliens, Alien: Ressurection, Alien3.
But Alien is by far the best movie from all, Ressurection comes very close to Aliens.
Aliens, Alien 3, Alien then Alien Resurection.
1 - Alien
2 - Aliens
3 - Alien 3
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99 - AVP and Alien Resurrection
Quote from: Its Game Time on Jun 13, 2007, 09:21:03 PM
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jun 12, 2007, 05:49:33 PM
Quote from: ELDERPREDATOR on Jun 12, 2007, 05:38:57 PM
alien 4, alien 3, alien
WHAT?!
NO love for ALIENS the movie?!
FOR SHAME >:(
Not only do they not have love for the ALIENS movie, but they also has Alien Res on their list :o
Or maybe he didn't see Aliens yet..
WHAT?!
MAYBE DIDN'T SEE ALIENS YET?
what heresy is this?
LOL
Ya that's probably true...to everyone who has not seen it.
I highly reccomend this movie.
Alien
Aliens
Alien3
;D
My fav has to be Alien Resurrection, then in order:
Alien Resurrection
Aliens/Alien
Alien 3
They are all really good movies, and it is hard to pick, but I like A:R most.
At least your honest.
Alien 3 (assembly cut) then Alien, then Aliens, then (AvP) then Alien Resurrection.
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien Ressurection
Alien
I like all the movies, just stating which I like the best. ;D
I like Alien. more then all of the other alien movies.
The other thing that you have to realize is that you can't compare Res to the others, otherwise it will be the worst in the series, Its not the same kind of movie as the other 3, the director even wanted it to be different. Thats the only way that you won't hate it.
I will never know what the problem is with people and hating res. I thought it was a pretty DESCENT movie. Yeah, the newborn thing was shit but that doesn't make the whole movie suck.
The thing that probably bugs most people is it's way different than all the other Alien movies.
^That doesn't bother me...all four Alien films are quite distinct in style. Each one is different from the others.
Yeah, but not that different. From nihilistic lived-in 'real' future to parody in one easy step.
Aliens wasn't nihilistic.
Quote from: SM on Jul 10, 2007, 06:14:48 AM
Aliens wasn't nihilistic.
Which would be why I was talking about
Alien3.
Oh. Thought you were talking about the first three.
Naw. All three had their own distinct feels, sure, but there was a common thread throughout that the fourth just ignored.
Different time. Different place. Didn't bother me much.
Mind you, having thought about it - if you want nihilism, Ripley8 IS nihilism. For most of Resurrection she doesn't care very much about much. Not even herself on occassion. She knows if she dies they can just bring her back again.
Alien because-
A) we knew so little. How strong is it? Is this its final stage? How smart is it? Etc Etc.
B) The scene where Ripley is alone with it in the shuttle made me realize how isolated she was in space.
C) 1] the derelect, when the camera seemed hand held and panned the walls. Made it seem so real.
2] the egg-nest seemed so infinite, it gave me chills.
D) the music
E)They were alone, millions of lightyears from nowhere. It had a sort-of 2001 Space Oddessy feeling.
Nothing has beaten it. Aliens, though great, lacked points A,B,D, and E. And it made the aliens so much less mysterious.
For future films, don't reveal the jockey. Raise questions, but never answer. That is point F: complete unsolved mystery.
Alien 3 i enjoy watchin the most it's f**kin awesome (and not the lame special edition just the theatrical cut)
The first three are like the perfect trilogy IMO and res ruined that but i can still watch it a s a popcorn movie for guilty pleasure.
Aliens i cant watch anymore it's been so overdone and the aliens in it are fodder IMO. Still a great film but the more i watch it the more flaws become apparent.
like the dead people and costums :D :D
Hi!
My order is:
Alien, Aliens, Alien 3........................ Alien Resurrection
greetings!
Though Alien had that good mysterious vibe that left a lot of ques. Special Edition Aliens is awesome too.
1.Alien
2.Alien 3
3.Aliens
4.Alien Ressurection
My favorites are the ONLY two Aliens movies that I will acknowledge.
A2, and A1. In that order.
Quote from: automirage04 on Aug 09, 2007, 12:12:21 PM
My favorites are the ONLY two Aliens movies that I will acknowledge.
A2, and A1. In that order.
I pretty much agree with that.. Lots of people were fans of 3, but I just wasn't into the gothic thing. It wasn't really a
bad film, but just not what I expected for the franchise. Res was simply out there.. Personally, I think that pretty much put the final nail in the coffin for the Alien IP.. at least for me. It's yet to redeem itself. :) Amazing.. a movie made 21 years ago keeps me talking on these forums about the IP.. that movie was Aliens.
Alien Resurrection is underrated I think. It is it's own movie in a way and it was shot beautifully. After 3 films, you had to try something different to keep the series fresh. It was quite a brave experiment to get a director who had only made french films and let him run the show almost.
Given time, I think it will still hold up and maybe be as appreciated as Alien 3 is now.
Quote from: gameoverman on Aug 13, 2007, 06:07:17 AM
Alien Resurrection is underrated I think. It is it's own movie in a way and it was shot beautifully. After 3 films, you had to try something different to keep the series fresh. It was quite a brave experiment to get a director who had only made french films and let him run the show almost.
Given time, I think it will still hold up and maybe be as appreciated as Alien 3 is now.
well how much longer time do you want to give it? it's been ten years-- itll never be as good as my favourite, alien 3. I loved Sigourney's performance, plus also it was the scariest of the films, because of how it treats some of the main characters (eg Newt's body being ripped apart)
Quote from: automirage04 on Aug 09, 2007, 12:12:21 PM
My favorites are the ONLY two Aliens movies that I will acknowledge.
why the hell wont you acknowledge the other two? I dont have a problem with you saying you dont like them (i personally detest avp) but dont pretend they're not there.
1. Aliens
2. Alien Resurrection
3. Alien3
4. Alien
I'm not saying Alien and Alien3 are bad movies, it's just I preffer action to horror...
aliens was the shit! ;D
That means he thinks it was good.
Shit = shit.
The shit = good.
That's slang for you.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Aug 15, 2007, 03:29:14 AM
That means he thinks it was good.
Shit = shit.
The shit = good.
That's slang for you.
Oh i'm sorry i thought you said it WAS shit. I misunderstood.
It's like bollocks = bad; the dog's bollocks = good.
I understand slang, it look like he said it was s**t.
nah I ment it in the good way :D I can watch that movie a 100 times and still love it 8)
Quote from: SM on Aug 15, 2007, 05:45:33 AM
It's like bollocks = bad; the dog's bollocks = good.
What movie did used that again?
Have to say Aliens; it's my favorite movie of all time. Alien is a close second and I hate Resurrection.
Quote from: Hudson on Aug 16, 2007, 05:19:56 AM
Have to say Aliens; it's my favorite movie of all time. Alien is a close second and I hate Resurrection.
Alien 3 took it in a wrong direction so i have to say that A3 was bad then A4 was horrible. Alien was the best story because without Giger and ridley scott creating the life cycle and the alien, we would not be seeing it today.
Quote from: PeterKeyes on Aug 16, 2007, 06:27:34 AM
Alien 3 took it in a wrong direction so i have to say that A3 was bad [...]
How did it take it in the wrong direction?
Quote from: Gates on Aug 16, 2007, 07:13:46 AM
Quote from: PeterKeyes on Aug 16, 2007, 06:27:34 AM
Alien 3 took it in a wrong direction so i have to say that A3 was bad [...]
How did it take it in the wrong direction?
the wrong direction? don't take me wrong, I thought A3 was good. but james cameron wanted the ripley,newt,hicks relationship to work out. A3 dissapointed a big crowd of people. A3 was supposed to be the last one, so it should of been realy good to just end it.
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Alien 3 took it in a wrong direction so i have to say that A3 was bad [...]
How did it take it in the wrong direction?
the wrong direction? don't take me wrong, I thought A3 was good. but james cameron wanted the ripley,newt,hicks relationship to work out. A3 dissapointed a big crowd of people. A3 was supposed to be the last one, so it should of been realy good to just end it.
I just don't see how killing them off went in the wrong direction...if Cameron wanted it another way he should of done
Alien 3...
Quote from: PeterKeyes on Aug 16, 2007, 08:23:30 AM
the wrong direction? don't take me wrong, I thought A3 was good. but james cameron wanted the ripley,newt,hicks relationship to work out. A3 dissapointed a big crowd of people. A3 was supposed to be the last one, so it should of been realy good to just end it.
The makers of
Alien didn't want the sequel to go the way Cameron did it. He just got a taste of his own medicine, is all.
A3 sure made the series a tad darker then on. not including AVP.
I thought A3 was awesome, its my second fav alien movie but yeah, definetly agree about Hicks/newt thing. That really disapointed me.
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I thought A3 was awesome, its my second fav alien movie but yeah, definetly agree about Hicks/newt thing. That really disapointed me.
I remember watching the behind the scenes of A3 and Michael Beihn was saying that he was really pissed off that his character died.
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I thought A3 was awesome, its my second fav alien movie but yeah, definetly agree about Hicks/newt thing. That really disapointed me.
I remember watching the behind the scenes of A3 and Michael Beihn was saying that he was really pissed off that his character died.
I dont blame him
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I thought A3 was awesome, its my second fav alien movie but yeah, definetly agree about Hicks/newt thing. That really disapointed me.
I remember watching the behind the scenes of A3 and Michael Beihn was saying that he was really pissed off that his character died.
I dont blame him
I know! Its seemed like such a complete waste to just have him killed before anything went down. If they wanted him dead, they could have done it in a very powerful, fitting way...but they just tossed him out.
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I thought A3 was awesome, its my second fav alien movie but yeah, definetly agree about Hicks/newt thing. That really disapointed me.
I remember watching the behind the scenes of A3 and Michael Beihn was saying that he was really pissed off that his character died.
I dont blame him
I know! Its seemed like such a complete waste to just have him killed before anything went down. If they wanted him dead, they could have done it in a very powerful, fitting way...but they just tossed him out.
he was swearing alot in the interview. his flashback brought just anger. if I was beihn, I'd shoot Fox.
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I thought A3 was awesome, its my second fav alien movie but yeah, definetly agree about Hicks/newt thing. That really disapointed me.
I remember watching the behind the scenes of A3 and Michael Beihn was saying that he was really pissed off that his character died.
I dont blame him
I know! Its seemed like such a complete waste to just have him killed before anything went down. If they wanted him dead, they could have done it in a very powerful, fitting way...but they just tossed him out.
he was swearing alot in the interview.
I remember that
Honestly I think Beihn had every right to be angry. But isn't it true he got paid more for his picture to be shown on the screen in A3 than his role in aliens?
What gave him that right? Cameron wasn't particularly interested in doing another Aliens film, nobody from the second movie approached the studio and said lets do Alien 3! At least not right after the movie was a blockbuster hit.
Cameron didn't protect his movie, the actors from the second film took no kind of stance or gave no indication that they wanted future sequels to be made starring them. Therefore I don't think they have a right to bitch and moan about not being in future movies. The same with Cameron. If Cameron wanted his family to survive he should've penned the third film. If you don't protect your work, then guess what happens?
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What gave him that right? Cameron wasn't particularly interested in doing another Aliens film, nobody from the second movie approached the studio and said lets do Alien 3! At least not right after the movie was a blockbuster hit.
Cameron didn't protect his movie, the actors from the second film took no kind of stance or gave no indication that they wanted future sequels to be made starring them. Therefore I don't think they have a right to bitch and moan about not being in future movies. The same with Cameron. If Cameron wanted his family to survive he should've penned the third film. If you don't protect your work, then guess what happens?
I'll agree that Cameron should have done more to protect the franchise after the second film, and that negligence is a big part of the reason that the franchise has become what it has....but I think that as an actor, Beihn has a right to feel like he was screwed. Protecting the film was up to the director/producer/writers. Beihn's responsibility went no further than bringing his character to life, which he did very well. Not putting him in A3 was a waste of his work in A2 in his eyes most likely.
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I thought A3 was awesome, its my second fav alien movie but yeah, definetly agree about Hicks/newt thing. That really disapointed me.
I remember watching the behind the scenes of A3 and Michael Beihn was saying that he was really pissed off that his character died.
I dont blame him
I know! Its seemed like such a complete waste to just have him killed before anything went down. If they wanted him dead, they could have done it in a very powerful, fitting way...but they just tossed him out.
They should of atleast made him die off in the middle of the 3rd one. he could of been weak in the beginning. then got stronger. then have him battle off the runner and die trying.
QuoteThey should of atleast made him die off in the middle of the 3rd one. he could of been weak in the beginning. then got stronger. then have him battle off the runner and die trying.
That's worse than just starting him off dead...
Why would you want to see Hicks again if he's just gonna die? Michael Beihn should be thankful he wasn't in Alien 3 as he would've faced all its production problems first hand.
As for everything you said about Alien 3 going in the "wrong" direction. A reversal isn't wrong, it's just like any other plot convention.
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What gave him that right? Cameron wasn't particularly interested in doing another Aliens film, nobody from the second movie approached the studio and said lets do Alien 3! At least not right after the movie was a blockbuster hit.
Cameron didn't protect his movie, the actors from the second film took no kind of stance or gave no indication that they wanted future sequels to be made starring them. Therefore I don't think they have a right to bitch and moan about not being in future movies. The same with Cameron. If Cameron wanted his family to survive he should've penned the third film. If you don't protect your work, then guess what happens?
I'll agree that Cameron should have done more to protect the franchise after the second film, and that negligence is a big part of the reason that the franchise has become what it has....but I think that as an actor, Beihn has a right to feel like he was screwed. Protecting the film was up to the director/producer/writers. Beihn's responsibility went no further than bringing his character to life, which he did very well. Not putting him in A3 was a waste of his work in A2 in his eyes most likely.
The series is noted for having heavy actor interventions taking place. Weaver stood by two ideas long enough they eventually found their way into film. If the cast was more proactive instead of reactive, who knows what would've happened.
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I thought A3 was awesome, its my second fav alien movie but yeah, definetly agree about Hicks/newt thing. That really disapointed me.
I remember watching the behind the scenes of A3 and Michael Beihn was saying that he was really pissed off that his character died.
I dont blame him
I know! Its seemed like such a complete waste to just have him killed before anything went down. If they wanted him dead, they could have done it in a very powerful, fitting way...but they just tossed him out.
They should of atleast made him die off in the middle of the 3rd one. he could of been weak in the beginning. then got stronger. then have him battle off the runner and die trying.
What would be the point of him if he was just going to be a cripple for half the movie anyway? And then what? He tries to protect Ripley and gets into a fight with a few prisoners or gets killed by the alien?
That's the whole point of Ripley. She is always alone to fight the alien in the end. Hicks would have softened Ripley somewhat.
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Honestly I think Beihn had every right to be angry. But isn't it true he got paid more for his picture to be shown on the screen in A3 than his role in aliens?
Yeah, i think so, thats what i heard.
reserection is by far my fav. it wasnt as violent as the others but i liked the emotional bond riply had with the aliens, and how they were almost friends in bits. the human/alien reminded me of my nan (there both evil and deadly, lol) aand there eyes were similar. lol.
i like alien 3 second as it seems slightly similar to 1 and i like the fact it was not a human who was taken over.
aliens is second, because i have not seen it in years, and when i did, it was not all the way through, so im borrowing it later.
i wasnt very impresed with 1 but i did watch the directors cut, so it was to tame for me, its just gotta have viloens in plases. >:(
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reserection is by far my fav. it wasnt as violent as the others but i liked the emotional bond riply had with the aliens, and how they were almost friends in bits. the human/alien reminded me of my nan (there both evil and deadly, lol) aand there eyes were similar. lol.
i like alien 3 second as it seems slightly similar to 1 and i like the fact it was not a human who was taken over.
aliens is second, because i have not seen it in years, and when i did, it was not all the way through, so im borrowing it later.
i wasnt very impresed with 1 but i did watch the directors cut, so it was to tame for me, its just gotta have viloens in plases. >:(
I'm sorry, i'm sorry... Taken over? Jesus christ...
You dislike Alien? And love ressurection?
Theres nothing i can say except you have extremly bad taste.
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reserection is by far my fav. it wasnt as violent as the others but i liked the emotional bond riply had with the aliens, and how they were almost friends in bits. the human/alien reminded me of my nan (there both evil and deadly, lol) aand there eyes were similar. lol.
i like alien 3 second as it seems slightly similar to 1 and i like the fact it was not a human who was taken over.
aliens is second, because i have not seen it in years, and when i did, it was not all the way through, so im borrowing it later.
i wasnt very impresed with 1 but i did watch the directors cut, so it was to tame for me, its just gotta have viloens in plases. >:(
I'm sorry, i'm sorry... Taken over? Jesus christ...
You dislike Alien? And love ressurection?
Theres nothing i can say except you have extremly bad taste.
Aye..... A:R made me want to kill myself. Would have worked too, if pounding my face agains ta wall hadn't made me pass out before I died.
*grumble* stupid concussion....
I only like some of it cause of some good head bite kills :P the one where the guy solutes is my fav kill in all the movies ::)
^ That was the cheesiest kill in all the movies too. :P
u know what i meen, it was late, what do u expect. ok, i liked 3 because the host was not a human. and as for my tast, we all have out opinions, its up to me what i like. jesus christ, everyone on this site is so bloody agresive and act like ass holes
Think the writers did an OK job with A4.. the story was still crap though I would have liked them to have explored the derelict ship. A3 didn't give them to much to work with though.
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u know what i meen, it was late, what do u expect. ok, i liked 3 because the host was not a human. and as for my tast, we all have out opinions, its up to me what i like. jesus christ, everyone on this site is so bloody agresive and act like ass holes
Dude yes, you can have an opinion. We were just disagreeing with it. That is our opinion.
Calm down.
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u know what i meen, it was late, what do u expect. ok, i liked 3 because the host was not a human. and as for my tast, we all have out opinions, its up to me what i like. jesus christ, everyone on this site is so bloody agresive and act like ass holes
You gotta have some dog in you. If you like Ares best, so be it. Don't readjust your stance just because its not the popular thing to do.
Of course, you might cite why you like Ares more than the other films aside from the headbites, what else did you dig?
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i just love the film, i love how smart the aliens were by killing there own to escape, a liked the swimming sceen, i loved the newbord and i loved all the faild ripply clones and a whole lot more ;D (still think the more alien looking clone should have at leest moved a bit, that was creepier than the newborn)
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i just love the film, i love how smart the aliens were by killing there own to escape, a liked the swimming sceen, i loved the newbord and i loved all the faild ripply clones and a whole lot more ;D (still think the more alien looking clone should have at leest moved a bit, that was creepier than the newborn)
They wern't exactly smart... why kill one of their own when they can just cut themselves to burn through the glass?
OR
Imagine this... Bear with me.
SPIT ACID!
I know its crazy they don't spit acid at all! ::)
Hocking loogies might take longer than killing one of their own. There was a massive amount of blood needed to make a hole big enough for them to escape in a short time so Gediman couldn't stop their escape by freezing them.
Also, spitting up a massive amount of blood still might amount to a dead alien, so the difference wouldn't be appreciated.
Cutting them wouldn't do much good. A spit of blood, and then healed wounds, ala alien.
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Hocking loogies might take longer than killing one of their own. There was a massive amount of blood needed to make a hole big enough for them to escape in a short time so Gediman couldn't stop their escape by freezing them.
Also, spitting up a massive amount of blood still might amount to a dead alien, so the difference wouldn't be appreciated.
Cutting them wouldn't do much good. A spit of blood, and then healed wounds, ala alien.
I said bleeding on the glass.
All it needs is a small amount of blood to burn into the glass thus destroying the windows stability.
im sure that was predicted and they made some sort of acid proof glass cause the spit is weeker, but they never thought they would kill there own
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Hocking loogies might take longer than killing one of their own. There was a massive amount of blood needed to make a hole big enough for them to escape in a short time so Gediman couldn't stop their escape by freezing them.
Also, spitting up a massive amount of blood still might amount to a dead alien, so the difference wouldn't be appreciated.
Cutting them wouldn't do much good. A spit of blood, and then healed wounds, ala alien.
I said bleeding on the glass.
All it needs is a small amount of blood to burn into the glass thus destroying the windows stability.
Glass is silicon, the same stuff supposedly found in the Alien. I doubt acid would affect it much.
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Hocking loogies might take longer than killing one of their own. There was a massive amount of blood needed to make a hole big enough for them to escape in a short time so Gediman couldn't stop their escape by freezing them.
Also, spitting up a massive amount of blood still might amount to a dead alien, so the difference wouldn't be appreciated.
Cutting them wouldn't do much good. A spit of blood, and then healed wounds, ala alien.
I said bleeding on the glass.
All it needs is a small amount of blood to burn into the glass thus destroying the windows stability.
Glass is silicon, the same stuff supposedly found in the Alien. I doubt acid would affect it much.
Damn, the preds should have used silicone wristblades huh?
Is silicone the material we have long searched for? An acid proof material? We should start producing acid proof suits immediatly... ::)
It would be somewhat hard to make glass suits wouldn't it? Likewise a glass blade would do what to the alien?
Ceramics can be acid proof, yet you will never see ceramic body armor. Why? Because its the same stuff that makes up your toilets. Likewise, despite glass and ceramics having the ability to break and produce jagged edges, the fact that they are so brittle doesn't lend itself to a jabbing weapon under concussive force.
Silicone, and silicon are two different things. Silicone goes in a woman's boobs. Silicon is what you use to make computer chips and glass.
Maybe the Aliens knew that despite the glass appearing thin (which it may or may not have been) a headstrike aimed at gediman capable of punching through ferro's helmet and her skull didn't penetrate at all. Its headbutt did no damage either. Thus they knew the floor would be a better chance of escape. Since their own bodies consist of polarized silicon (which Ash says quite explicitly in Alien), they maybe they knew at some level they'd be better off eating through the floor, than the stuff their OWN bodies were made of.
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AvP :')
God I love Aliens. ;D
Alien takes it by a mile. From the atmosphere to the true sense of science fiction to the plot and the way the actors add to it, Alien is truly a horror classic. Aliens was a good concept, but will always be second best in comparison. Alien 3, while not nearly as bad as the masses believe it to be, is a somewhat disappointing film; it's not what I expected, but it's ultimately a good try...just a bit too detached and dystopian for my tastes. I don't even feel I need to get into why Alien: Resurrection was bad...the film is synonymous with my bathroom toilet for a bad place to search for cinematic gold.
It's sort of sad this franchise's best can be summed up in order from 1 to 4.
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Alien takes it by a mile. From the atmosphere to the true sense of science fiction to the plot and the way the actors add to it, Alien is truly a horror classic. Aliens was a good concept, but will always be second best in comparison. Alien 3, while not nearly as bad as the masses believe it to be, is a somewhat disappointing film; it's not what I expected, but it's ultimately a good try...just a bit too detached and dystopian for my tastes. I don't even feel I need to get into why Alien: Resurrection was bad...the film is synonymous with my bathroom toilet for a bad place to search for cinematic gold.
It's sort of sad this franchise's best can be summed up in order from 1 to 4.
You raise some good points. Alien is too my favorite out of all of them, with Alien 3 not far behind just because i like the feel of one alien more than anything.
They are all good but all very different.
Scott, Cameron, Fincher Juenet, and *cough* Anderson all have very different ways of making movies.
Story wise Alien is the best. It is the creepiest thing being all alone and far from earth.
My Favourite Alien movie is the first alien movie.
Alien 3 for me. The actors did an amazing job and killing newt at the beginning was a bonus ;D
newt was OK but I didn't want hicks killed off
I don't think anybody did but look on the brightside we got Dillon instead.
but he died ;D
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but he died ;D
that he did, at least it was a significant and dignified death unlike hicks's ;D ;D ;D
good point :D
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good point :D
Well morse was good to and he didn't die.
QuoteGlass is silicon, the same stuff supposedly found in the Alien. I doubt acid would affect it much.
Ripley's blood had no problem eating through the window on the Betty and her blood is no where near as caustic as pure alien blood.
but the betty wasnt part of the station, and wasnt ment to hold aliens.
im afraid after waching them all i have to change my answer.
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i didnt think much of aliens :-[
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yea aliens was a bit better than alien imo though I still hold alien a awesome film. aliens isnt that hard to pass if an new alien movie came out it could easly pass it if someone puts in enough effort but who knows what could happen after all fox still regulates the series. if not alien 5 I would like a reboot because I feel the alien series could use a erase of events im looking at you ressurection and avp.
with scot ridley doing an entirely new reboot same creature same unknown backstory just different characters
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im afraid after waching them all i have to change my answer.
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i didnt think much of aliens :-[
I think your the first person I've ever seen that's rated A:R as the best.
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im afraid after waching them all i have to change my answer.
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i didnt think much of aliens :-[
I think your the first person I've ever seen that's rated A:R as the best.
ditto
brad873 do you mind elaborating on why you thought rez was the best?
i dont know, its just the color of it rhat i like, not to blue or dark, an i liiked that the aliens could learn faster. i didnt like the queen at all, she looked to human with the way she was sitting with her egg sack, should have been behinde her, not in front. aliens wasnt a bad film, but it was a bit lifesless for me, i know it was made a while ago, but there wernt anough aliens, and when riply held the queen over the hatch, it didnt move. its just one of those things you cant realy explain well.
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i dont know, its just the color of it rhat i like, not to blue or dark, an i liiked that the aliens could learn faster. i didnt like the queen at all, she looked to human with the way she was sitting with her egg sack, should have been behinde her, not in front. aliens wasnt a bad film, but it was a bit lifesless for me, i know it was made a while ago, but there wernt anough aliens, and when riply held the queen over the hatch, it didnt move. its just one of those things you cant realy explain well.
I'll admit that the queen vs Ripley scene was the worst scene in
that movie, but it still made more sense than ANY of the scenes in A:R
....and The Newborn was dumber any other movie monster ever conceived. And the queen giving live birth was probably the dumbest scene in movie history. And that includes any and all scenes in AVP.
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Alien3 I think had the best characters. Dillon's character was the most in-depth character of the entire series, and we know that movies are only as good as the characters make them.
None of the movies could beat the original Alien for suspense. The originals are always best because you're introducing the monster instead of just building on things we've seen already.
Aliens I've seen too many times... as one of the posters said near the beginning of the thread it's a rollercoaster ride of action, but absolutely no suspense.
Alien: Resurrection... God I don't like this movie. I've only seen it all the way through 3 times: the first time I watched it, then I watched it again because I missed some stuff, and the third time because I got the Quadrilogy and wanted to see the Special Edition. After that I always just stop it at the "Viper Pit" scene when they take Ripley to the Queen.
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QuoteGlass is silicon, the same stuff supposedly found in the Alien. I doubt acid would affect it much.
Ripley's blood had no problem eating through the window on the Betty and her blood is no where near as caustic as pure alien blood.
You have to acid proof glass for it to be acid proof, but maybe the alien has the ability to do that, since acid proofing (if I remember right) is done through heat and some chemical reaction. Its on teh interwebz.
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Alien3 I think had the best characters. Dillon's character was the most in-depth character of the entire series, and we know that movies are only as good as the characters make them.
Yep Alien 3 did have the best characters
QuoteI liked the dark, eerie beauty of the movie. The bleak hopelessness that underlies the notion that nothing is certain and that one shouldn't expect a "Hollywood ending".
Aliens has been called a "roller coaster ride of a movie". In a way, the third movie was as well, but instead of rising into the air, the "ride" takes you underground, where one can almost see the "dark Satanic Mills" that Blake had written about.
Sure, one sees what one searches for, but there was a greater opportunity in Alien³ for one to find all kinds of metaphor, as it didn't rely on convention as Aliens had. There were all kinds of symbolism to be found in Alien³, especially Gnostic and alchemical. If there is any religious symbolism to be found, it's not the kind taught in Sunday School in little black books and pastel-colored paperbacks. It is more likely to be found in the writings of Böhme and the paintings of Bosch.
Thank you
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Cool. Alien comes close to Aliens, but I do enjoy watching all of them since I've got the Quadrilogy set. ;D
I agree as well,
I changed mine:
Alien3:
+:On the positive side:It had the most developed characters of the entire series, and they were funny as hell! The soundtrack was epic, especially when dillon is in the lead mold with the alien. The lines were great. For instinse: f**k You!- Dillon, and: IS THAT AS HARD AS YOU BITE MOTHERF**KER!!!?, and i could go on and on. The lighting was good as well, and the end was cool. I prefer the theatrical release to the special edition, mainly becuase i like dog alien better than ox alien, an ox alien should have horns and hooves. And in the theatrical version the queen buster actually comes out of her chest as it does not in the special edition.
-:On the negative side:The alien motion was to jerky, it looked really stone age to me. And dont even get me started on the death seens, most of them just want to make u lol rather then cringe. Not much else to say. Other than the dog burster sequence which was pretty pathetic. ;)
I always thought he said, "Is that as hard as you fight,"
I suppose bite makes as much sense.
Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, then Alien Ressurection. Guess the newer-ish ones just aren't as good.
Its Alien for me!!
Gotta love the classics
ok ok, ichang mine again after waching them all in a row.
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alien and alien 3 were similar but differant. alien 3 went back to the roots. one alien, and just a few victime. there were loads of places for it to hid and it show a level of intelegens. aliens wasnt bad, in fact, i loved it to, but the music was bland and the aliens in it didnt look that great, pluse the way there mouth moves before a head bite
Aliens is my favorite mainly because there are a lot more aliens in that one. There seems to be more action in it too.
aliens cause of the design of the aliens and the queen
alien 3
aliens
a r
alien
alien is a good movie but it's waaaaaaaaaaaay too boring for my taste :-\
I think for the sheer commitment to its plot and environment, Alien must be commended. I watch that film sometimes to simply see a very straight faced vision of a futuristic space exploration. but I thought the movie that rocked the franchise the most without sacrificing substance was Aliens. Alien 3 stayed true to the first 2 also. In fact I thought it was the grimiest and most depending on its characters than the other two.
Aliens
Alien
Alien 3
i loved alien and aliens, the third one is kinda lame but still fits in the franchise, i didnt like the digital alien in the 3rd one either.
and as for resurection well lets just say it kinda $u$^& donkey balls.
There is no cgi footage in Alien 3 save for the alien's head cracking at the very end.
Quote from: xenomorph36 on Sep 14, 2007, 01:39:36 PM
alien is a good movie but it's waaaaaaaaaaaay too boring for my taste :-\
Yeah, I find it boring as well. I only watch it once every blue moon, rather then all the time like with the other 3 Alien movies.
BTW, this is my order:
Alien 3
Aliens
Alien R
Alien
I don't know about you guys, but I'm warming up to Alien 3 even more so than I used to. I just recently rewatched it and it is an amazing movie. How people can hate it baffles me. It deals with so many themes, like dependence on religion, personal apocalypse and sacrifice, desperation, insanity, murder, rape, and redemption. It focuses on the Alien the least of all the Alien films. Of course I'm talking about the assembly cut which, after seeing and going back to the theatrical, makes the theatrical cut seem even more disjointed and rushed. It might even become my favorite of the films in do time. I love all three Alien films and it is one of the better trilogies out there. Forget A:R, Alien 3 is the end. A:R is just a comic book.
Alien
Aliens
Alien Res
Alien 3
From best to wrose...
Alien
Aliens
Alien 3
AvP*
Alien Resurrection
I stuck AvP in there b/c hey, it is an alien movie just as the rest of them are.
I voted Alien 3 (Flamers can piss off right now).
I just liked the idea, it was differently set up than Alien, but had the same sort of dynamic. I liked the Dog Alien design, its just a shame that they screwed Giger around during this one.
My fave character from any Alien movie was Morse incidentally. He was a coward, and an annoying loudmouth, but I always thought he did it in a funny way. Especially the scene where he is laughing with his friend with the bandaged head, then his friend gets headbitten. Also his constant and obvious attempts to piss off the other inmates.
"Hey guys... My door ain't workin' I think we better re-think this thing!"
alien and aliens are the best the other two are ok but nowhere near as good as the first 2
Quote from: Kriszilla on Oct 08, 2007, 06:36:51 PM
I voted Alien 3 (Flamers can piss off right now).
Despite what you may think, many people like Alien 3 now, so you won't get flamed. If you liked A:R, however...
A:R can burn in Hell. Seriously, my hate for that movie is neverending. Some people actually think it's better than Alien 3... ::)
Nah, A:R sucks ass.
It is a very weird movie. That new opening on the special edition of A:R, while interesting, is just so out there and out of place words can not describe it. It can only be seen. It's blatantly obvious that it was directed by a French.
Well I'm one of the few who actually likes Resurrection. Sure it was unesesary, but it's still an exiting and entertaining movie. Alien3 however is hardly any of both. Don't get me wrong it's a great movie, but I still think Resurrection is heaps better...
I really don't find Resurrection to be either Exciting or Entertaining. I mostly found the film boring + cringe worthy. There were a few good actions sequences but not much else in my opinion.
Aliens 10/10
Alien 10/10
Alien 3 10/10 (AC)
Alien Resurrection 7/10
AvP 1/10
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Oct 10, 2007, 06:53:23 PM
I really don't find Resurrection to be either Exciting or Entertaining. I mostly found the film boring + cringe worthy. There were a few good actions sequences but not much else in my opinion.
I agree. I think the only good things about A:R are Ron Perlman, the music, the underwater scene, and some of the gore shots.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Oct 11, 2007, 04:46:48 AM
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Oct 10, 2007, 06:53:23 PM
I really don't find Resurrection to be either Exciting or Entertaining. I mostly found the film boring + cringe worthy. There were a few good actions sequences but not much else in my opinion.
I agree. I think the only good things about A:R are Ron Perlman, the music, the underwater scene, and some of the gore shots.
Don't forget Christie. He was badass.
Mine are now:
Alien
Aliens
Alien 4
ALIEN3
alien 3 is my fave, as i sed before. i used to love A:R, but after tinking about it, it wasnt that good. it had alot of potential, but it was wasted
Yeah, some of the core concepts in Alien Resurrection interesting but it was so poorly executed, in every aspect of the word (in my opinion). Government/Corporate experimentation with Aliens makes perfect sense to me which is one of the key plot points to Alien Resurrection. People have been trying to get their hands on a Xeno since the 1st film all the way up to the end of Alien 3. Why though must they clone Ripley to do so? You don't think they could have found another Alien or Egg in the 200 years it took to clone her? I understand she had a queen inside her but it still seems like they should have been able to get their hands on a Xeno in the 200-year gap between 3 + 4.
aliens hands down for action but as far as scary movie alien is classic
ALIENS just barely edges out ALIEN only because i saw it first
both a true master pieces in their own right
it should be noted that
ALIEN no qeustion set the standard and benchmark for the entire franchise, so really it's be placed off on it's own
ALIEN3 was a good film it was just fell victim to certain circumstances - but still a good film
ALIEN RESURRECTION had the least greatest story of the franchise but what it lacked in story it made up for in action, visual stand piont etc.
Aliens is my favourite. :)
something about alien just gives me the creeps the scenery and atmosphere great movie
A:R sucks even as an action movie. It has one set piece. The closest thing I can think of to call it is a "sci-fi black comedy".
Aliens
Aliens, no doubt, takes my cake. If only because I remember seeing it at a drive in theater bundled up in a blanket in the back seat of the car and loved Ripley to death. Fond memories makes anything better ^_^
However, Alien still rocks, but I didn't really understand it so well when I was little.
Aliens, straight up.
tie between Alien and Aliens
screw it , Im gonna watch Alien now ;D
close call, im gonna say aliens, but alien was probably more influential, i just love pretty much everything about aliens
I vote Aliens all the way! It had the most action, aliens, and had the best storyline. ;)
Quote from: joballs45 on Oct 14, 2007, 11:48:53 PM
something about alien just gives me the creeps the scenery and atmosphere great movie
Yes, there is no other film ( perhaps 2001: A Space Odyssey ) that has achieved the same level of atmosphere and unease. It really is in a league of its own. Aliens also has a great mood
throughout, but I can't ignore the fact that the aliens get slaughtered during its course... if it was a standalone film and first in the series, it would pretty much be on par with the original as far as I'm concerned.
Alien: Timeless classic, best creature design ever conceived, eerie and disturbing from start to finish, superb acting, great retro-industrial design.
Aliens: Simple yet extremely effective plot and character development, almost flawless presentation, great Cameron design concepts, suspenseful action scenes. Only gripe for me is the changes in the alien design as well as them being essentially cannon fodder. And the queen's eggsack was too fleshy for my taste.
Alien 3: Wonderful score, grimy set design and environment, very good creature design and execution ( the best since Alien ), dark and oppressive setting. But for me, it just wasn't as memorable as the first two. I really want to love it, but it falls short due to its overambition to be harsh and unforgiving. Hicks and Newt I can bear, but Clemens? And Bishop? A shame....Also the ending was a bit too final, almost like the series was deliberately shut down for no obvious reason.
And as for that hideous fan film Alien: Resurrection, no comment.
Alien 3 was supposed to end the Alien series. Then A:R came along...
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Nov 04, 2007, 05:52:30 PM
Alien 3 was supposed to end the Alien series. Then A:R came along...
The decision to attempt a closure was a mistake, I think. There should always be room left for a continuation. A secret card to play so as to have the option if needed.
OK, I'll do Rez as well....
Alien: Resurrection: Far fetched premise in a feeble attempt at revival of the series, the inclusion of Ellen Ripley for one more go-around was a bleak shadow of past times. Cloning could maybe be viable, but setting the story 200 years into the future? Please. It was always as if they wanted to ruin any possibility of Weyland-Yutani/USCM/Acheron etc. to play a part in the series' future. Shameful.
However, the set design and art direction was at times pretty good, with The Betty slightly reminiscent of the Nostromo-era. Alien design was atrocious at worst ( Newborn ), and unoriginal at best. One can really tell that rational and mediocre minds should never be allowed to interfere with the designs of the one and only HR Giger. All in all, it was shitty and I don't like it.
I've said before i'll say it again
Aliens, i just got done watching it last night so its definetly my favorite.
Aliens by far to me is the greatest of the quadrilogy. The idea of hundreds of those things against a small military force was genius.
1 Aliens
2 Alien 3
3 Alien
4 Alien Resurrection
Just can't stop watching the second one. I also liked the dark atmosphere and music of the third one.
aliens in my opinion.alien resurrection was good until the newborn arrives you get very scared until you see the queen just gave birth to pumpkin head's brother >:(
Either of the first two. If I had to choose I would say the first. Still the most freaky of the all. But the second one always deliveres solid enjoyment.
I have to go oldschool and say I liked the very first Alien movie. The dark atmosphere of it really was great for the theme of the Alien and how you never knew if it was going to pop up out of nowhere. The other three just got worse after the first movie, Aliens was good in all but I liked the more "horror" feel of the first movie, since the last three were more science-fiction orientated.
Aliens
Alien
Alien 3
AVP
Why, well, aliens is cool, alien is original, alien 3 i kinda dont like, they kill hicks!!!!, avp, it sucked, i like it but i was expecting WAY more.
Quote from: Crotum on Nov 27, 2007, 06:15:49 PM
Aliens
Alien
Alien 3
AVP
Why, well, aliens is cool, alien is original, alien 3 i kinda dont like, they kill hicks!!!!, avp, it sucked, i like it but i was expecting WAY more.
ur missing res.
Quote from: Xenonewborn on Nov 27, 2007, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: Crotum on Nov 27, 2007, 06:15:49 PM
Aliens
Alien
Alien 3
AVP
Why, well, aliens is cool, alien is original, alien 3 i kinda dont like, they kill hicks!!!!, avp, it sucked, i like it but i was expecting WAY more.
Res. don't count. ;D Silly. Lol, jk.
ur missing res.
Aliens. 'Nuff said.
Aliens SE, Aliens, Alien DC, Alien, Alien3, Alien3 SE, Alien Ressurection (AR was so bad that I still haven't gotten round to watching the Special Edition and I got the Quadrilogy set in late 2004/early 2005).
Quote from: purebreedalien on Nov 28, 2007, 01:39:33 PM
Aliens SE, Aliens, Alien DC, Alien, Alien3, Alien3 SE, Alien Ressurection (AR was so bad that I still haven't gotten round to watching the Special Edition and I got the Quadrilogy set in late 2004/early 2005).
I want to say don't bother watching the Special Edition of Res., so I will. It's pretty lame. All you see is some extra crap that I guess was supposed to fill in "some" holes in the movie. Most of it is pointless and it makes sense that it was cut in the first place.
My favorite is Alien. I honestly rate them like this.
Alien
Alien 3
Aliens
(and way, way down there,) Alien Resurrection
Alien is my all-time favorite of the Alien (solo) films. It's truly the best one out of the bunch, and it works on every level it sets out to work upon. Alien 3 comes next because it is the one sequel that managed to actually feel like an honest-to-God sequel to Alien. Aliens is damn close to Alien 3, but the only thing that brings it back a little bit is that if you basically took out all the Alien aspects of the design and replaced them with random creatures, and took out all references to the first film, it could stand up as it's own movie, totally seperate from the rest of them. In other words, it felt a little more like a film that happened to be about Aliens, rather than an Alien film. A word about Aliens in a moment. Resurrection, well, I don't need to say anything about that. I don't despise it with every inch of my soul, but it's really below the rest of them.
Now, my word about Aliens. I may get a lot of crap for this, but I think Aliens is the most over-rated film of the series, and not only that, but it's strange how over-rated it is when you consider how different it was, and how much it changed. I always laugh when I read people whining about AvPR's little deviations and alterations, yet people cheer for the ones made in Aliens. Why? Because Aliens was only the second film. It was not a franchise yet. No one cared if Cameron literally f**ked with the design of the creatures, or added in things that never existed prior, or turned them all into bugs, and still, no one cares now. It came out during a period where actiony films of it's kind were PRAISED as HOLY, and at that kind of film, it is very successful, and I think that had a part to play. Those kinds of films were in when it came out. Also, the mystery. Where the mystery of the Alien in the first one was very, very high, it was smashed to pieces, and now the only real mystery left to them is what the Space Jockey's are.
Don't get me wrong, Aliens is a great film, and I'm always quick to watch it even if it's only half-way through, but still, I think it gets much more praise than it should.
well iam new i love aliens
so aliens , alien 3, alien 4 ,lucly last the first
1 put aliens first becuse of hudson he over become his fear and still did his job
alien is last becuse there was onley one alien cheap
Mine is Aliens, though the original is a classic. ;D I didn't care for Alien 3 largely due to it being a prison movie. Killing off Newt, Hicks, and Bishop five minutes into the movie didn't help either. If you're going to tragically kill off these characters, have them survive the escape pod's crash landing and then die later on in the movie. You can't feel sad for someone who's dead when you first see them in the movie. ::) Alien Resurrection would have been great if the gore, cursing, and sexuallity had been toned down.
I would've guessed differently. Your destroying the rines in the AvP3 thread.
Imho, Aliens will probably be my favourite movie of all time period!!
However, having bought the Quadrilogy set, I have to say that the extended cut of Alien 3 comes very close to that. I have seen a completely new light on it, and can't understand why it wasn't released that way first time!!
Quote from: I am Mother on Dec 03, 2007, 01:10:25 AM
Imho, Aliens will probably be my favourite movie of all time period!!
However, having bought the Quadrilogy set, I have to say that the extended cut of Alien 3 comes very close to that. I have seen a completely new light on it, and can't understand why it wasn't released that way first time!!
Dude I have to agree with you there. The extended version of Alien 3 rules. So much better than the crappy version that I rented from Blockbuster (not part of the Quadrilogy set, btw..). I really liked that the Alien burst out of an ox instead of a dog in that version because the dog was someone's pet. .
Aliens is hellla badasss! i think id have to put Aliens and Alien in the same category even though Aliens has more action.
Alien 3. The story is intelligent, witty, and has just the right amount of gore. The characters are likeable despite their terrifying backgrounds. Sigourney Weaver is as always fantastic as Ripley. The SPFX do not match Aliens however making it the only downside in my opinion. I dunno, Aliens was average for me. Some of the characters logic didn't make sense all the time which really dogs it down..for instance why do they hire Ripley to help them as an advisor yet they don't listen to a damn thing she says? I found this extremely irritating through the film although I have to praise
Sigourney for another great performance.
I like Aliens the most, but it sucks how Newt dies on the next one, after Ripley goes to all the trouble of saving her :(
mine is alien, alien ressurection, aliens then alien 3 i like 3 but the other three grab me more and ultimate predator can you help me with my avatar as i am having problems using it
Quote from: alien ravager on Dec 04, 2007, 05:11:12 PM
mine is alien, alien ressurection, aliens then alien 3 i like 3 but the other three grab me more and ultimate predator can you help me with my avatar as i am having problems using it
Hey dude, I'm not gonna start jerkin around and putting you down for it but I'm just genuinely interested in why you would place Res so high (over Aliens & Alien 3?)
Quote from: I am Mother on Dec 05, 2007, 12:29:48 AM
Quote from: alien ravager on Dec 04, 2007, 05:11:12 PM
mine is alien, alien ressurection, aliens then alien 3 i like 3 but the other three grab me more and ultimate predator can you help me with my avatar as i am having problems using it
Hey dude, I'm not gonna start jerkin around and putting you down for it but I'm just genuinely interested in why you would place Res so high (over Aliens & Alien 3?)
I'd really like to know as well. Resurrection wasn't that bad, but the weakest of the series definitely.
Quote from: Resurrection on Dec 05, 2007, 02:15:17 AM
Quote from: I am Mother on Dec 05, 2007, 12:29:48 AM
Quote from: alien ravager on Dec 04, 2007, 05:11:12 PM
mine is alien, alien ressurection, aliens then alien 3 i like 3 but the other three grab me more and ultimate predator can you help me with my avatar as i am having problems using it
Hey dude, I'm not gonna start jerkin around and putting you down for it but I'm just genuinely interested in why you would place Res so high (over Aliens & Alien 3?)
I'd really like to know as well. Resurrection wasn't that bad, but the weakest of the series definitely.
I agree completely.
i dont know it caught my attention more and i like the newbreed alien and the underwater scene was cool
Quote from: alien ravager on Dec 05, 2007, 05:32:36 PM
i dont know it caught my attention more and i like the newbreed alien and the underwater scene was cool
The underwater scene was one of the coolest in the series. I liked the scene where the doctor was taunting the Alien behind the glass as well.
Frankly I'm shocked so many people hated Ressurection. I loved it. The story was good, the acting and character development fine, the spfx was fantastic. Overall a much better film than Aliens. ;D
Quote from: ~Jarrecko~ on Dec 05, 2007, 08:47:30 PM
Frankly I'm shocked so many people hated Ressurection. I loved it. The story was good, the acting and character development fine, the spfx was fantastic. Overall a much better film than Aliens. ;D
Same here really. I fail to see why everyone hated it.
Alien3(For the reasons maledoro stated on the first page)
Alien
Aliens(I like it, but it sacrificed the Alien character itself for the sake of action, which is something I sure as hell didn't like)
I don't even consider A:R.
i thought the bit with the doctor at the glass was funny after he got scared and the fight with the aliens inside the pen to escape was great
Quote from: alien ravager on Dec 06, 2007, 05:30:21 PM
i thought the bit with the doctor at the glass was funny after he got scared and the fight with the aliens inside the pen to escape was great
Same here. .
1- Alien 3
2- The 8th Passenger
3- Aliens
4- Resurrection
what the hell are you on about this is about favourite alien films not other things
The 8th Passenger, or Alien: The 8th Passenger, is the English translation of most foreign titles of Alien.
i didnt know that i thought it was a different film to alien
"Alien: The 8th Passenger" Cool Name, Never heard that before
Quote from: ~Jarrecko~ on Dec 05, 2007, 08:47:30 PM
Frankly I'm shocked so many people hated Ressurection. I loved it. The story was good, the acting and character development fine, the spfx was fantastic. Overall a much better film than Aliens. ;D
Don't get me wrong, I thought Res was good. But better than Aliens?! Put the pipe down dude lol
Quote from: I am Mother on Dec 09, 2007, 03:19:19 PM
Quote from: ~Jarrecko~ on Dec 05, 2007, 08:47:30 PM
Frankly I'm shocked so many people hated Ressurection. I loved it. The story was good, the acting and character development fine, the spfx was fantastic. Overall a much better film than Aliens. ;D
Don't get me wrong, I thought Res was good. But better than Aliens?! Put the pipe down dude lol
The alien in the first film was much creepier and intense than in Aliens. Aliens was just one big f**king action sequence. The logic didn't make sense such as them hiring Ripley to advise them about the creatures but, they don't listen to anything she says. The special effects were good and sigourney as always is great, that was about all I liked about it. It seemed like cameron was just capitilizing on the notion that americans will like any movie as long as it has big action scenes.
Quote from: I am Mother on Dec 09, 2007, 03:19:19 PM
Quote from: ~Jarrecko~ on Dec 05, 2007, 08:47:30 PM
Frankly I'm shocked so many people hated Ressurection. I loved it. The story was good, the acting and character development fine, the spfx was fantastic. Overall a much better film than Aliens. ;D
Don't get me wrong, I thought Res was good. But better than Aliens?! Put the pipe down dude lol
lol. Well, it depends on what type of action movie you like. Aliens was more combat related and actually more realistic where Resurrection was totally Sci-Fi.
Aliens. It's the only one I've rewatched more than twice & want on DVD.
1. Aliens
2. Alien
There's a third & a fourth? I bet they're crapfests.
Alien3 isn't bad, but it isn't particularly good either. It's best to forget Alien: Resurrection was even made.
The thing with Aliens is, it was made when CGI wasn't even thought about. CGI plays such a huge part in any film that gets release nowadays that if the effects suck, people won't even watch it!
I have seen Aliens so a hundred times, and every time I see it I don't have to make excuses, (well obviously thats a green screen; that's obviously not real but OK, I suppose it's technically possible (James Bond I'm looking at you!)).
Aliens has to be one of the best films ever made because it didn't rely on that! Cameron managed to make that film so intense that you don't get a chance to breathe until the credits roll, and by the time you try to reflect on it you find yourself back at the cinema for round 2!! And there was not 1 thing in it that I looked at and thought "No way"
Suspention of disbelief is one thing, but it is so much easier when the film do's it for you!
Aliens had great story and characterization as well as action
Quote from: Ellen Ripley on Dec 11, 2007, 05:26:40 PM
Aliens had great story and characterization as well as action
I like the characterization as well.
Quote from: Ellen Ripley on Dec 11, 2007, 05:26:40 PM
Aliens had great story and characterization as well as action
As did alien 3.
Whats so bad about it?
I prefer it to aliens...
Quote from: Huol on Dec 12, 2007, 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: Ellen Ripley on Dec 11, 2007, 05:26:40 PM
Aliens had great story and characterization as well as action
As did alien 3.
Whats so bad about it?
I prefer it to aliens...
I know. . . Honestly I don't like Aliens that much compared to the original and Alien 3. .
Alien : Good, Suspenseful, But a lack of action Overall : 95%
Aliens : Great, Action-packed, Awesome weapons Overall : 99%
Alien3 : Fair, Suspenseful, Gruesome, But a dumb storyline Overall : 65%
Alien Ressurection : Strange, Better graphics, But wierd Overall : 57%
Quote from: city hunter on Dec 13, 2007, 01:19:28 AM
Alien : Good, Suspenseful, But a lack of action Overall : 95%
Aliens : Great, Action-packed, Awesome weapons Overall : 99%
Alien3 : Fair, Suspenseful, Gruesome, But a dumb storyline Overall : 65%
Alien Ressurection : Strange, Better graphics, But wierd Overall : 57%
The first 2 films were great, but Alien 3 has been under-rated. Watch the assembly cut of the film on the Quadrilogy. It's like a totally different film altogether.
And don't start me on Res lol.
Quote from: I am Mother on Dec 14, 2007, 03:34:25 AM
Quote from: city hunter on Dec 13, 2007, 01:19:28 AM
Alien : Good, Suspenseful, But a lack of action Overall : 95%
Aliens : Great, Action-packed, Awesome weapons Overall : 99%
Alien3 : Fair, Suspenseful, Gruesome, But a dumb storyline Overall : 65%
Alien Ressurection : Strange, Better graphics, But wierd Overall : 57%
The first 2 films were great, but Alien 3 has been under-rated. Watch the assembly cut of the film on the Quadrilogy. It's like a totally different film altogether.
And don't start me on Res lol.
The storyline is MUCH better in the assembly cut than the original movie. You should check it out, I bet your opinion on Alien 3 will go up about 30 percent.
^ Definately. Can't see why it wasn't released that way first time!!
Alien: 10/10 (After watching it again last month I've come to appreciate it.)
Aliens: 10/10
Alien3: 7/10
Alien Rez: 8/10
Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3 are all equal to me. All three continue the story, but are completely different movies in terms of style.
Quote from: Yellow Alien on Dec 14, 2007, 09:41:14 PM
Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3 are all equal to me. All three continue the story, but are completely different movies in terms of style.
Very true. Do you think Resurrection fits in there? Personally, I do but I'm also one of the few here who likes it, I think. . .
I can enjoy A:R, but it is definitely a step down from the trilogy.
well i mean obviously the first would be my favorite i really enjoyed the terror and the paranoia, an element that, sadly, none of the subsequent films really elaborated on going more for guns and gusto. alien 3 is my second fav simply because it's back to one alien having to stalk and attack as opposed to hordes of them charging to their deaths like idiots. also the portrayal of the alien is what matters to me most when watching the films. i was pretty disappointed with how they turned out in avp, aliens and a:r. not to say those are bad movies they all have their ups and their downs but the aliens really turn out to be nothing more than dumb beasts in those particular films. well i suppose i've prattled on long enough so... FISHSTICKS!!!
Quote from: The Chibi Kiriyama on Dec 10, 2007, 12:28:00 AM
Alien3 isn't bad, but it isn't particularly good either.
I think alien 3 was fantastic... I don't see anything wrong with it, at least the assembly cut anyway.
It had the best ending of all the movies, with the music, the visuals of the company closing the prison. It was perfect. A perfect closure to a perfect trilogy. Then along comes big fat alien ressurection, ready and waiting to take a giant brown shit on the franchise.
it was an effective endcap of the film series series and i don't mind there being a:r i just think it totally cheapens a3. a3 did have the best alien or at least the most threatening.
Quote from: def on Dec 16, 2007, 05:55:50 AM
it was an effective endcap of the film series series and i don't mind there being a:r i just think it totally cheapens a3. a3 did have the best alien or at least the most threatening.
Definitely. The most cruel that is for sure.
My order is:
Aliens
Alien
Alien Resurrection
Alien3
Hmmm i would say:
Aliens
Alien resu.
Alien
Alien 3
My personal order would go.
ALIEN 3 (Special Edition)
ALIEN (Director's Cut)
ALIENS (Special Edition)
No 4th film for me I just Pretend it wasn't made, and the series ends with the respectful demise of Ripley.
In the order they came out...
1st was a downright masterpiece!
2nd not a bad sequel (actually best sequel ever)
3rd apart from story had that dark vibe from the first again.
4th was over the top bad...
Ghehe makes me wonder if I should even hope for a 5th...
Probly "aliens" then alien then alien 3 then res. I still think they should make 5 though.
Alien, then Alien 3, then Aliens and then Alien R (which I will say once again, was a great movie, but a medicore alien movie)
My favorite is Alien, then Aliens.
Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection are tied in my list. Some days I like one better than the other.
Alien (Director's Cut)
Aliens (Special Edition)
Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem
Those are the only movies I love to Hell.
1. Alien
2. Alien 3
3. Aliens
4. A:R
Aliens followed by Alien. ALien 3 and finally Alien Ressurection.
Hmm i think my order goes
Aliens
Alien and Alien 3 are tied
then we have
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all the way down here Alien 4
because it sickens me. :)
ALIENS
ALIEN
ALIEN3
ALIEN RES :'(
aliens/alien3
alien
alien res
I dont understand how people like A:R at all its just awful :-X
Quote from: The Ultimate Predator on Nov 17, 2006, 11:21:41 PM
Aliens, then Alien, then Alien 3, then Res.
could not have put it better
Its very hard to choose between Alien and Aliens but Aliens is slightly better, then the beautiful Alien 3 and last A:R.
I like the one with the USM i think its the best one off all.
So Aleins is the one with the Ucm? Cant remember correctly!
Oh Alein was good to!
Quote from: BlkSoul on Jan 09, 2008, 06:52:46 AM
So Aleins is the one with the Ucm? Cant remember correctly!
Yes,
Aliens is that movie.
Quote from: avp123 on Jan 09, 2008, 11:17:31 AM
yer i liked the part when the chestburster came out!! :P
One of the best scenes in the series.
Quote from: Resurrection on Jan 09, 2008, 10:47:07 PM
Quote from: BlkSoul on Jan 09, 2008, 06:52:46 AM
So Aleins is the one with the Ucm? Cant remember correctly!
Yes, Aliens is that movie.
Quote from: avp123 on Jan 09, 2008, 11:17:31 AM
yer i liked the part when the chestburster came out!! :P
One of the best scenes in the series.
More like the defining scene of the series.
I liked the part in aleins where the Sargent takes the Marienes ammo clips and they take out new clips and put it in their rifels.
HE HE Sneaky but wize
Aliens is the best one for me :)
lot of marine-pawning scenes ;D
When i was a teenager it was defo Aliens but now i pick Alien because of what the creature stands for. So Alien all the way for me.
Alien - 4 out of 4
Aliens - 4 out of 4
Alien 3 - 3 out of 4
AvP - 2 out of 4
A: R - 1.5 out of 4
AvP-R - 1.5 out of 4
Alien- 8/10
Aliens- 6/10
Alien 3- 10/10
Alien Resurrection- 7/10
AVP- 6/10
AVPR- 9/10
Quote from: Alien Drone 531 on Jan 14, 2008, 10:09:53 PM
Alien- 8/10
Aliens- 6/10
Alien 3- 10/10
Alien Resurrection- 7/10
AVP- 6/10
AVPR- 9/10
nice choice but Aleins is 10/10 for me
Aliens.
it was cool, a team of solidiers fight a bunch of aliens
Quote from: Fenrir on Jan 15, 2008, 10:56:59 PM
Aliens.
it was cool, a team of solidiers fight a bunch of aliens
I will buy that for a DOLLER
Alien is the flawless movie IMO. Aliens is damn close though.
ALIENS!!!! That will forever be a masterpiece ;D
For theatrical versions: Alien
For extended versions: Aliens
Aliens was my favourite, hands down. Alien was really good too, but in all honesty, I was bored by it. The only moments I was tense were, obviously, any scene involving the creature. But in other parts of the film, I just kinda sat there twiddling my thumbs.
Aliens,Indeed
On Aliens, did anyone else start laughing at Ripley when she was running away from the Queen?
I'm sitting there watching her go ballistic on the eggs, then she starts running like a scared rabbit, I'm thinking "Well that was stupid."
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 30, 2008, 05:28:58 PM
On Aliens, did anyone else start laughing at Ripley when she was running away from the Queen?
I'm sitting there watching her go ballistic on the eggs, then she starts running like a scared rabbit, I'm thinking "Well that was stupid."
you wouldn't be running while the place was coming down? did you forget that the reactor was gonna blow or what?
Quote from: Iron Hide on Jan 30, 2008, 11:01:57 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 30, 2008, 05:28:58 PM
On Aliens, did anyone else start laughing at Ripley when she was running away from the Queen?
I'm sitting there watching her go ballistic on the eggs, then she starts running like a scared rabbit, I'm thinking "Well that was stupid."
you wouldn't be running while the place was coming down? did you forget that the reactor was gonna blow or what?
Of course I would be. But her primary concern at that point seemed to be the Queen more than the plant coming apart.
Alien: 12/10(masterpiece)
Aliens: 8/10(awesome action movie)
Alien3: 10/10(its going back to the roots)
A:R: 7/10(Ron Perlman and aliens)
Alien 7/10
Aliens 9/10
Alien 3 10/10
Alien Ressurection 4/10
AVP 3/10
Havent seen avp-r yet
Alien: 9/10
Aliens: 10/10
Alien3: 9/10
A: R: 6/10
AvP: 6/10
AvP:R: 7/10
I know this is an alien film post and not predator, but here are my ratings for the whole lot:
Predator: 7.5
Predator 2: 6
AVP: 4
AVP-R: 6.5
Alien: 9.5
Aliens: 10
Alien 3 (spec ed): 7.5
Alien Resurrection: 6
ALiens was a 4/5 for me if Vasquez would have lived through it. It would have been 10/5
Quote from: Garo Predator on Feb 05, 2008, 02:02:07 AM
ALiens was a 4/5 for me if Vasquez would have lived through it. It would have been 10/5
haha agreed
aliens definetly best but alien is not far off
alien3 was okay I would have preferred if they hadnt killed off hicks,newt and ripley
it made all the events in aliens a waste
alien res was just terrible
Why does everyone hate A:R so much? I never understood it much. Maybe it's b/c I saw it first.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 14, 2008, 03:40:14 PM
Why does everyone hate A:R so much? I never understood it much. Maybe it's b/c I saw it first.
Thats my second favorite next to aliens
Aliens
Alien Resurrection
Alien 3
Alien
Aliens is awesome!!! I laughed at the part when Ripley was in the Exo-Suit (when she was trying to save Newt) and yelled at the Alien Queen saying: "Get away from her you BI**CH!!!"
^That could very easily be the best line ever spoken in film history. It's far superior to anything that Humphrey Bogart or Orson Welles could ever utter.
Aliens, I just can't get enough of it, I watch it almost week. Hated alien 3, too boring. >:(
My favorite Alien movie is Aliens, cause it has action and has full of surprises!
Well, without a shadow of a doubt - Alien, closely followed by Aliens and then Alien3. Alien Resurrection didn't live up to franchise expectations, but if you look from outside franchise - it was decent. It had some potential that wasn't fully translated. Shame that such a great director as Jean Pierre Jeunet didn't do his best.
Aliens, then extremely closely followed by Alien, then Ressurection, then Alien 3.
yea i definitly have to say its Aliens. best actors, best film directors, best action, best everything.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 14, 2008, 03:40:14 PM
Why does everyone hate A:R so much? I never understood it much. Maybe it's b/c I saw it first.
The idea of cloning was rip off of JP and the movie was borning.
Quote from: ravager032 on Mar 03, 2008, 11:07:17 PM
Aliens, I just can't get enough of it, I watch it almost week. Hated alien 3, too boring. >:(
Quote from: Secret Hero on Mar 07, 2008, 08:45:52 PM
My favorite Alien movie is Aliens, cause it has action and has full of surprises!
Jesus christ. Get out.
I'm sorry but it really tickles my arsehole when someones only reason for liking a movie is "IT HAZ ACTIONZ AND BLUDS AND EXPLOSIONZ ALIEN 3 WUZ BORING BECOZ DEY KILLD HIX ND NOOT BAWWWW"
The point of Alien 3 was to make it more like the First Alien movie.
My new opinion:
Alien 3 Assembly.
Followed by:
Alien
Aliens
AVP-R
AR
AVP
Aliens is the best- it has an emotional center which Alien can only convey in its incredible tin- can desolation. Last time I watched Aliens and Ripley went back into and down to the bottom of the atmosphere procesor = Hell, it brought me to honest tears. I mean, look, she witnessed all the terrors- bitten heads, impregnated men, women, children, and nevertheless she goes back? Thats so great, and tragic. I think repeated viewing and Weavers modelling over the time as an action heroine tend to overshadow the fact that she does NOT have fun descending again- it is in fact her worst nightmare. Also a work of incredible timing: The drop ship release, the watching through the screens of the marines demise, and when in the nest, it is Exactly the point when you just cant bear it any longer when Ripley finally finds Newt. I mean, Ripley herself is almost f**ked there. Great: that the final countdown takes exactly the time announced by the female computer voice. So, ALIENS for sure. Its just the perfect movie. And increddibly futuristic for 1986!
Alien is certainly the scariest, but it is in many ways just too sick to be liked that much. (Kane- ripped open (man, did you see the long version of the birth scene?), Brett- Who KNOWS, Dallas- Who WANTS to KNOW, Ash- well f**k him, Parker- slaughtered, Lambert- raped to death. Its just that unknown quality which makes Alien the most psychhologically damaging.
Alien 3- I liked it back in 1993, when it was new. I like the Assembly Cut, But it does this terrible screenwritiung (the beginning- how lame is to kill them all off? I hate them for this!), and it has no emotional center, it has Ripley who is empty in this. Its just way to nihilistic. But the style of it was promising. But Alien 3 was speciqal back then and still is better than most movies from the 90s. Just not as bad as anybody wants it to be.
Alien Res- Well, this is not exactly an Alien movie. It beasrs the title- but it is the mindchild of an director who is known for his phantastic and grotesque films- and Alien 4 is more playful than all otheres, which does not mean its automatically good. In fact, in respect to thrills, Alien 4 is somewhat shitty. And the newborn is still the stupidest thing ever imagined. Please, for the future, dont embrce this B- Movie qualities agien, this was just too cheap and it certainly is not what audiences want to see.
Aliens- Alien- Alien 3- Alien 4
Alien 3 wasn't nihilistic - Ripley had to make the hardest choice ever: fulfill her dream of family and happiness or sacrifice herself and destroy the xenomorphs, saving humanity (and humanity is not portrayed in the best light up to that point).
IMO Alien Resurrection is the most nihilistic - most of the characters have no morals and Ripley is more interested in an android than humans.
Alien
Aliens. ;D
Aliens
Alien will always be my favourite. The viusals and horror feel that movie has is amazing. The artwork in the movie is amazing and Alien is a mind blowing me IMO. Way better then Star Wars IMO.
Alien 10/10
Aliens 9.5/10
Alien 3 8/10
Alien Ressurection 4/10
AVP 5/10
AVPR 7/10
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 03, 2008, 05:05:45 PM
Alien will always be my favourite. The viusals and horror feel that movie has is amazing. The artwork in the movie is amazing and Alien is a mind blowing me IMO. Way better then Star Wars IMO.
I'll 2nd that, Star Wars just a special FXs ride to me.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 03, 2008, 07:32:45 PM
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 03, 2008, 05:05:45 PM
Alien will always be my favourite. The viusals and horror feel that movie has is amazing. The artwork in the movie is amazing and Alien is a mind blowing me IMO. Way better then Star Wars IMO.
I'll 2nd that, Star Wars just a special FXs ride to me.
Alien has a better story then Star Wars does. Star Wars is great and all but the story get old .
Aliens, i can actually relate to Hudson a little bit
All in all I liked Alien 3 the best. There's something about it that just stuck with me. I know I'm gonna get some hate for this but yeah. Alien 3 ftw
my order went ressurection then aliens then A3 then alien i found alien kinda boring i dont know why though. i enjoyed the others!
Alien is definitely slow moving. You need a lot of patience for it.
One of the great things about Alien was that it intentionally stayed away from flashy spaceships and lasers.
By AR, that was gone.
Alien was slow but that made it so good.
My favourite Alien movies
Aliens,Alien 3,Alien,Alien Resurection in that order
My favorite aliens movies in order.
Aliens, Alien 3, Alien: Ressurection, then Alien
Alien, Aliens, Alien3, Alien: Resurrection in this order.
without a doubt aliens
Aliens then Alien then A3 and..........what was the last one called,, oh yeah--el crapo
Quote from: TheHunter on Apr 18, 2008, 02:34:04 PM
My favourite Alien movies
Aliens,Alien 3,Alien,Alien Resurection in that order
Exactly my list, except, resurection is not on the list.
New list:
Aliens
Alien
Alien3/Alien: Ressurection
And then about down here, other movies come onto my list. Just because Alien: res is low on my list doesn't mean I don't think its a good movie. Get what I'm sayin?
Quote from: AVPVT Extinction on Apr 18, 2008, 08:50:09 PM
My favorite aliens movies in order.
Aliens, Alien 3, Alien: Ressurection, then Alien
Why? :(
Alien 3 has always been my favourite.
Aliens, Alien, Alien 3, Alien Ressurection.
Mostly everbody hates Alien Ressurection, I thought it was ok.
Alien 3, Aliens, Alien: Resurrection, Alien
While many dislike or even hate Alien 3, I absolutely love it. The acting and the feeling of the movie is just perfect, and I love the rusty look of it. Memorable characters and a different alien also makes this movie the Nr. 1 on my list.
Aliens the best movie of all time i've seen that movie so many times and i just think that james cameron brought us fans the ultimate movie of all time. i love all 4 of the alien movies but aliens takes it all the way. ;D ;D ;D
this is the order of how the alien movies are with me. Aliens, Alien, Alien 3, Alien Resurrection. the quadrilogy order would be Aliens again, Alien 3, Alien because the director's cut some scenes were shorten from the orginal verison and also the addition scenes were shorten thats why Alien of the quadrilogy list is at number 3 spot and Alien Resurrection.
aliens definatly because of the queen and because its not quite as slow as one or 3 and res is pretty creepy with the physchotic ripley.
Seriously I would put them in order of release... ALL the films got good things to them.. Alien for its creepy atomosphere ALIENS for the Queen, Alien 3 for its sick gothic style and Alien:res for the GORE.... not to menton ripley was somewhat crazy in it..
Quote from: Xenomorph on May 01, 2008, 12:13:29 AM
Aliens, Alien, Alien 3, Alien Ressurection.
Mostly everbody hates Alien Ressurection, I thought it was ok.
lol. Mostly everybody hates Alien resurrection, mostly. That's what I thought when I saw this post anyway.
#1: Alien is what I consider to be one of those rare, perfect movies. Yes it's slow, but it's not an action flick. It's a horror movie with very real characters, high tension and the srangest, scariest monster in any film.
#2: Aliens. An awesome action flick with plenty of tension and great characters. Although I prefer Alien over this one, I watch this one more than any of them.
#3: Alien 3 (the assembly cut). When I saw this cut for the first time I was floored by how much better the movie became and in my opinion it needed it. It's now VERY good.
#4: Alien: Resurrection. I hate this movie. What a stark contrast to the original. In this movie the aliens have effectively been reduced to comic relief. There's no tension whatsoever. Who cares if THIS main cast is killed off anyway? Sure there are funny moments between them but when you don't really care who gets picked off next, well, it's not a good sign. Plus the new alien design introduced is crap. It goes from a bio-mechanical being to a fleshy, always-drenched-in-slime raptor... thing.
Alien, followed closely by Alien3.
aliens by far
my favourite alien movie is aliens
Here we go:
I like all three movies of the trilogy equally. They form a great story, and really are just three chapters of one big movie. They have great creatures, great effects, and are overall the best movies I've ever seen in my life. And they were designed by the Great Stan winston.
................Wait, there's a fourth movie?
Quote from: Storyteller on Jun 25, 2008, 07:42:59 PM
Here we go:
I like all three movies of the trilogy equally. They form a great story, and really are just three chapters of one big movie. They have great creatures, great effects, and are overall the best movies I've ever seen in my life. And they were designed by the Great Stan winston.
................Wait, there's a fourth movie?
Yup. Alien Resurrection. Awesome movie. The latest and therefore most important chapter in the Alien Saga.
:(I was being sarcastic. Im trying to forget!!!!!!! :(
Quote from: Scree on Jun 25, 2008, 07:52:40 PM
Yup. Alien Resurrection. Awesome movie. The latest and therefore most important chapter in the Alien Saga.
To each their own but... "awesome", and "the most important chapter" are hardly things I would use to describe this A:R.
A:R is entertaining but compared to the first three films it falls flat on it's face and gets curb-stomped.
If A:R would have been word for word the novelization (which could possibly mean the screenplay but I cannot say for sure because I have not read it) then you would think it much better.
A:R was a let down to the aliens series
Aliens 10/10
Alien 10/10
Alien Resurrection 8/10
Alien 3 6/10
AVP 5/10
AVP R 2/10
Quote from: maledoro on Dec 13, 2006, 12:31:40 PM
I liked the dark, eerie beauty of the movie. The bleak hopelessness that underlies the notion that nothing is certain and that one shouldn't expect a "Hollywood ending".
Aliens has been called a "roller coaster ride of a movie". In a way, the third movie was as well, but instead of rising into the air, the "ride" takes you underground, where one can almost see the "dark Satanic Mills" that Blake had written about.
Sure, one sees what one searches for, but there was a greater opportunity in Alien³ for one to find all kinds of metaphor, as it didn't rely on convention as Aliens had. There were all kinds of symbolism to be found in Alien³, especially Gnostic and alchemical. If there is any religious symbolism to be found, it's not the kind taught in Sunday School in little black books and pastel-colored paperbacks. It is more likely to be found in the writings of Böhme and the paintings of Bosch.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/maledoro/Elves/wink.gif
That's interesting. What kind of Gnostic symbolism is in A3?
1. Alien
2. Alien 3
3. Aliens
4. Alien Resurrection
It's close on 2nd and 3rd place. The idea for A:R wasn't bad but the movie script was (and Winona. I hate her. No, im only joking ;)).
Aliens when ripley fights the queen in the fork lift suit or wut ever its called is my favorite scene from the Alien series.
Alien it has a quality i cant put my finger on this sense of horror but still greatly entertaining
Alien 3 it would have been a great movie to end the series but of course they always have to go to far which brings me to
Alien Resurrection major let down. From The bad script to the bad acting to walmart buying out the company. ill just stop there :-X
I love them all. But it goes for me:
1. Alien - masterpiece, classic, timeless..
2. Aliens - great sequel, thrilling action sequences, great technical achievement
3. Alien 3 - awesome cinematography, acting, score, mood, Sigourney is brilliant
4. Alien Resurrection - great visuals, off beat style, quirky characters, the only thing is it so different in tone to the other movies.
It's a toss up between Alien and Alien3, but for this poll I voted for Alien3 as I, rightfully, assumed more people would have already voted for Alien :)
I'm really surprised @ what a runaway victory "Aliens" has with this poll
for me it just happend to be the actual order of the series i love alien cause its the origanal and aliens is a driffernt feeling but was aslo one of the best chapters of ripleys life and aliens 3 brought us alien fans back to the original feeling of the first film and resserection was just liek another chapter just had a really differnt feeling it reminds me more of deep bue sea than any of the alien films as feeling wise
Quote from: Spidey3121 on Jul 25, 2008, 02:54:23 AM
I'm really surprised @ what a runaway victory "Aliens" has with this poll
Why? It's considered by many to be the best of the series.
Alien - 10/10
Aliens - 10/10
Alien 3 - 9/10
Alien Resurrection - 8.5/10
1. Alien
2. Alien 3
3. Aliens
4. A:R
...Even though the gap between Alien and Alien 3 is getting narrower for every time I watch Alien 3 .
Aliens-my Favourite Movie... :)
Alien - Not only is it one of the greatest movies of all time, but it has consistantly been on the top 100 horror list, mainly at number 2 being it's position. It was also on Bravo's top 100 scariest horror moments, losing (it got 2nd scariest moment ever) to Jaws.
Aliens - I said in a previous thread that I though this was one of the most overrated movies of all time, I said that out of anger, and boy was I wrong. One of the few movies on RT to have a 100% approval rating!
Alien - Kinda lost my love for it, I still like it, but it's not my favorite.
Alien: Resurrection - I really don't know why people hate the design of the aliens in this movie, I though they were the creepiest with all of the excess slime. Anything after the water scene sucked in my opinion.
Alien - 10/10
Aliens - 10/10
Alien 3 - 7.5
Alien: Resurrection - 3/10
If you have noticed, I have changed the ratings than on another thread, I actually spent all Saturday watching all of the movies, and that's how this happened.
Favorite scenes.
Alien - The entire last scene with the drone.
Aliens - The first encounter
Alien 3 - Second encounter
Alien: Resurrection - When two Warriors kill another Warrior.
For Me It's
1.Alien
2.Alien Resurrection
3.Aliens
4.Alien3
I Didn't Like Aliens That Much
How come?
you don't see the aliens untill an hour or so into the movie .
So you didn't care about the story? You just cared about the violence and death?
Quote from: username64 on Aug 17, 2008, 05:32:26 PM
you don't see the aliens untill an hour or so into the movie .
Yet you rated
Alien as your number one.
Let Me Refrase my comment , i ment the aliens have let screen time than the others . The Queen fight scene was Pretty Kick ass though
Switched my vote from Aliens to Alien after rewatching the two.
Aliens without a doubt! just a superb film and my all time favriot film,alien was excellent,alien 3 was good the assembly version was a lot better and alien resurrection was very good
Alien 3 = Dog Alien = win.
I'll see how much I enjoy after I watch Alien 3 SE this Friday. I saw the theatrical version a few days ago and thought it was pretty bad.
The SE of Alien 3 is awesome, you won't be dissapointed.
Yup, the SE is much better than the normal version.
I watched the SE last night, and it ok. Definitely better than the theatrical version that's for sure but still a pointless sequel.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 28, 2008, 10:47:44 PM
I watched the SE last night, and it ok. Definitely better than the theatrical version that's for sure but still a pointless sequel.
In what way is it 'pointless'?
Coz Aliens effectively killed off the alien species with the death of the Queen. A3 spat on that and said "Ah, wait!!! THERE'S OOOOONNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEE MORE EGG!!!!"
At least it provided closure for the story.
And this is prolly just me, but I think death would be preferable to whatever f**ked up life Newt could be expected to have after Aliens.
Aliens
Quote from: SiL on Sep 04, 2008, 01:41:11 AM
At least it provided closure for the story.
And this is prolly just me, but I think death would be preferable to whatever f**ked up life Newt could be expected to have after Aliens.
Aliens was all the closure I needed. And as for Newt's fate, I just assumed that she, along with the others, went on happily ever after. Works for me.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 04, 2008, 04:21:13 AM
Quote from: SiL on Sep 04, 2008, 01:41:11 AM
At least it provided closure for the story.
And this is prolly just me, but I think death would be preferable to whatever f**ked up life Newt could be expected to have after Aliens.
Aliens was all the closure I needed. And as for Newt's fate, I just assumed that she, along with the others, went on happily ever after. Works for me.
"Aliens" had a boring Hollywood ending (I really hate the Power loader vs. Queen fight, so moronic and 'unrealistic') that totally ruined everything that was great about "Alien" and the second third of "Aliens".
"Alien 3" on the other hand had the perfect ending for a Trilogy - "Alien 3" is what makes the Alien series 'epic'. The circle is completed. The end itself is melancholic, dark and beautiful, just like the beginning of the first "Alien" movie. Ripley's sacrifice is heroic but not in a bombastic Hollywood kind of way... No one will know of her sacrifice of trying to save the human race, which by the way already is doomed (because humanism is dead in the future of Aliens - a feature which is even more apparent in "Alien 3" than any of the other Alien movies). Her sacrifice works on so many different levels... it's complex, just like everything in or surrounding "Alien 3".
On top of that "Alien 3" is not a re-hash of "Alien", like "Aliens"...
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 04, 2008, 09:12:53 PM
On top of that "Alien 3" is not a re-hash of "Alien", like "Aliens"...
Oh no, Alien 3 is most
definitely a re-hash of Alien. It's the same idea, only with a different setting and more people.
I get so damn tired of people saying that...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 04, 2008, 10:50:58 PM
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Sep 04, 2008, 09:12:53 PM
On top of that "Alien 3" is not a re-hash of "Alien", like "Aliens"...
Oh no, Alien 3 is most definitely a re-hash of Alien. It's the same idea, only with a different setting and more people.
"Alien 3" a re-hash of "Alien"!?! Whaaaa? In what way? Please specify!
"Aliens" on the other hand follows the exact same line of events as in "Alien" but with more people, aliens, guns and explosions:
1. Alien: Waking up from the cryotubes. Aliens: Waking up from the cryotube.
2. Alien: SOS signal received (Asheron/LV46 - origin unknown). Aliens: SOS signal received (Asheron/LV46 - human colony).
3. Alien: Investigating alien derelict. Aliens: Investigating 'abandoned' human colony.
4. Alien: 'Saving' Kane (bringing him back Kane to the ship). Aliens: 'Saving' Newt.
5. Alien: Chestbuster (Kane's son) & and the death of Brett. Aliens: Chestburster ("Kill me...Kill me!") & the death of the marines.
6. Alien: Emergency meeting. Aliens: Emergency meeting.
7: Alien: Ash's betrayal. Aliens: Burke's betrayal.
8: Alien: Alien ambushes and kills Parker & Lambert. Aliens: Aliens ambush and kill Vasquez, Gorman, Hudson and Burke.
9: Alien: Ripley saves Jones (da kat) after torching the nest (The Egg-morphing scene). Aliens: Ripley saves Newt after messing up the Queen's lair.
10: Alien: Nostromo explodes, Ripley & Jomes escape. Aliens: Human colony explodes, Ripley & Co escape.
11: Alien: Ripley (wearing a space suit) fights the Alien and then gets rid of it by flushing it out > Alien floating around in space (before getting scorched). Aliens: Ripley (maneuvering a robotic power loader) fights the Queen and then gets rid of it by flushing it out > Queen floating around in space.
12: Alien: Ripley & Jones lying down in cryotube to sleep. Alies: Ripley & Co lying down in cryoubes to sleep.
::)
my order is:
1. ALIENS
2. ALIEN 3
3. ALIEN
4. ALIEN: RESURRECTION
5. AVP
6. AVPR
1. ALIEN
2. ALIEN 3
3. ALIENS, I guess.
4. ALIEN: R
just picked up the quadrilogy off ebay, i still forming my opinions on Alien 3 and A:R.
if i had to go purely on first impression i'd say
Aliens
Alien
A:R
Alien 3
resurrection was a terrible movie in some ways but I enjoyed it more then alien 3. alien 3 is like an incomplete art project and after the first 2 movies which tried so hard to stay consistent with the rules of the aliens, alien 3 just decided they would make up 2 eggs that couldn't possibly exist based on the events of aliens. in the special edition ripley washes up on the beach after the escape pod hits the ocean like a meteor just so david fincher could change the story they way he wanted to and then never even really finished it.
A:R doesn't fit into the series at all, but being a fan of joss whedon and ron pearlman, i liked it better then 3 even though it isn't really part of the series.
Alien was done better then Aliens, but again was not as enjoyable. Seemed like so much more work went into aliens.
Quote from: somanymods on Nov 02, 2008, 07:28:21 PM
just so david fincher could change the story they way he wanted to and then never even really finished it.
Not only did Fincher not write
Alien 3, he never had a hand in the special edition, either.
Aliens
Alien
Alien 3
Alien Resurrection
Alien And Aliens
Quote from: SiL on Nov 02, 2008, 08:50:31 PM
Quote from: somanymods on Nov 02, 2008, 07:28:21 PM
just so david fincher could change the story they way he wanted to and then never even really finished it.
Not only did Fincher not write Alien 3, he never had a hand in the special edition, either.
I think of Fincher as an anonymous 3rd party involved in Alien 3 only b/c he was brought in at the last minute and doesn't seem to want to be associated with it in any form.
My opinion on people who rate A:R above A3 is wake up and smell the coffee. Watch Alien 3 assembly cut and tell me its not AWESOME! The story, sets, music, acting even the old school effects make it cool.
A:R was awful. There was no fear factor the aliens were not scary at all.
As people have probably guessed on this site I really despise A:R. More than anything its the story they chose to take that pissed me off. They could have made a decent film if it didn't contain Ripley 8 or anything to do with her.
Quote from: Alien3 on Nov 04, 2008, 08:34:47 PM
My opinion on people who rate A:R above A3 is wake up and smell the coffee. Watch Alien 3 assembly cut and tell me its not AWESOME! The story, sets, music, acting even the old school effects make it cool.
A:R was awful. There was no fear factor the aliens were not scary at all.
As people have probably guessed on this site I really despise A:R. More than anything its the story they chose to take that pissed me off. They could have made a decent film if it didn't contain Ripley 8 or anything to do with her.
Why assembly cut?
The theatrical is true to the original and creepy as hell!
F**k Hicks!
F**k Newt!
It's a solid entry to the series and A:R wishes it was in the same league as Alien3!
Quote from: KanesSon on Nov 04, 2008, 09:41:28 PM
Quote from: Alien3 on Nov 04, 2008, 08:34:47 PM
My opinion on people who rate A:R above A3 is wake up and smell the coffee. Watch Alien 3 assembly cut and tell me its not AWESOME! The story, sets, music, acting even the old school effects make it cool.
A:R was awful. There was no fear factor the aliens were not scary at all.
As people have probably guessed on this site I really despise A:R. More than anything its the story they chose to take that pissed me off. They could have made a decent film if it didn't contain Ripley 8 or anything to do with her.
Why assembly cut?
The theatrical is true to the original and creepy as hell!
F**k Hicks!
F**k Newt!
It's a solid entry to the series and A:R wishes it was in the same league as Alien3!
Assembly cut is longer and more epic. Builds a lot more on the original.
Quote from: KanesSon on Nov 04, 2008, 09:41:28 PM
It's a solid entry to the series and A:R wishes it was in the same league as Alien3!
The same league? It's a totally different movie. Don't let your hate blind you. They were never meant to be compared.
Quote from: gameoverman on Nov 04, 2008, 09:54:41 PM
Quote from: KanesSon on Nov 04, 2008, 09:41:28 PM
It's a solid entry to the series and A:R wishes it was in the same league as Alien3!
The same league? It's a totally different movie. Don't let your hate blind you. They were never meant to be compared.
It's just... I get... so frustrated!
Alien Resurrection sucked. A3 is Alien when compared to it.
1. Alien
2. Aliens
3. Alien 3
I don't like A:R or any of the AVPs myself, so I just choose to ignore them the same way I ignore Kingdom of the Crystal Skull or Blues Brothers 2000.
aliens (best movie ever)
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Alien and Aliens
Can't choose between them. Two different but excellent movies.
Alien 3
Liked it at the cinema, but it really came to life for me when I saw the Assembly Cut. The story makes more sense, the characters feel more real, and it has a great mixture of epic and claustrophobic scenes.
Alien:Resurrection
A pointless addition to the series, but I suppose an enjoyable piece of scifi action. I still watch it from time to time
My favourite Alien of all time has to be Alien 3. Both Aliens and Alien: Resurrection were great movies but not that great than what Alien 3 delivers. Don't get me wrong, but the first Alien movie was kinda crappish. :-\
Quote from: The_Undertaker on Jan 14, 2009, 02:07:42 PM
My favourite Alien of all time has to be Alien 3. Both Aliens and Alien: Resurrection were great movies but not that great than what Alien 3 delivers. Don't get me wrong, but the first Alien movie was kinda crappish. :-\
Seems that way now, doesn't it? Alien was a monster-picking-off-group-of-people-one-by-one b-movie of the type that had been made for decades, but done with bags more style and a body-horror theme. As truly alien as the creature seemed when I first saw it, it now just looks like a guy in a scary suit. But the film is about much more than that, and it says much more than that. Off the back of the space opera Star Wars, this dark view of the future worked well.
Quote from: The_Undertaker on Jan 14, 2009, 02:07:42 PM
My favourite Alien of all time has to be Alien 3. Both Aliens and Alien: Resurrection were great movies but not that great than what Alien 3 delivers. Don't get me wrong, but the first Alien movie was kinda crappish. :-\
Alien was kinda crappish? I've
gotta hear the explanation on this one.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 14, 2009, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: The_Undertaker on Jan 14, 2009, 02:07:42 PM
My favourite Alien of all time has to be Alien 3. Both Aliens and Alien: Resurrection were great movies but not that great than what Alien 3 delivers. Don't get me wrong, but the first Alien movie was kinda crappish. :-\
Alien was kinda crappish? I've gotta hear the explanation on this one.
Well homes it goes something like this, the entire movie was neither scary or suspense. I mean, it was boring and tireless through the entire movie. Don't get wrong, but the Alien creature from that movie is either fake or looks like a man inside of a suit. :-\
Quote from: The_Undertaker on Jan 14, 2009, 04:50:17 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 14, 2009, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: The_Undertaker on Jan 14, 2009, 02:07:42 PM
My favourite Alien of all time has to be Alien 3. Both Aliens and Alien: Resurrection were great movies but not that great than what Alien 3 delivers. Don't get me wrong, but the first Alien movie was kinda crappish. :-\
Alien was kinda crappish? I've gotta hear the explanation on this one.
Well homes it goes something like this, the entire movie was neither scary or suspense. I mean, it was boring and tireless through the entire movie. Don't get wrong, but the Alien creature from that movie is either fake or looks like a man inside of a suit. :-\
Say whaaaaaa, you must have nerves of steel coz that made me jump at least 6 or 7 times.
Quote from: The_Undertaker on Jan 14, 2009, 04:50:17 PM
Well homes it goes something like this, the entire movie was neither scary or suspense. I mean, it was boring and tireless through the entire movie. Don't get wrong, but the Alien creature from that movie is either fake or looks like a man inside of a suit. :-\
That slow build up isn't common in today's movies. And, again, the creature doesn't look that good by today's standards. But when I was a kid, it scared the life out of me! The alien was plenty real enough then. But times move on. I love watching Alien, but some aspects of it don't hit the mark as well as they did when I was twelve. But trust me, it terrified people. After all, zombie movies terrified people then, and they're still making them with very little real difference.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 14, 2009, 05:48:08 PM
Quote from: The_Undertaker on Jan 14, 2009, 04:50:17 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 14, 2009, 04:30:39 PM
Quote from: The_Undertaker on Jan 14, 2009, 02:07:42 PM
My favourite Alien of all time has to be Alien 3. Both Aliens and Alien: Resurrection were great movies but not that great than what Alien 3 delivers. Don't get me wrong, but the first Alien movie was kinda crappish. :-\
Alien was kinda crappish? I've gotta hear the explanation on this one.
Well homes it goes something like this, the entire movie was neither scary or suspense. I mean, it was boring and tireless through the entire movie. Don't get wrong, but the Alien creature from that movie is either fake or looks like a man inside of a suit. :-\
Say whaaaaaa, you must have nerves of steel coz that made me jump at least 6 or 7 times.
Yes I do ;D
Quote from: Nyktimos on Jan 14, 2009, 05:51:00 PM
Quote from: The_Undertaker on Jan 14, 2009, 04:50:17 PM
Well homes it goes something like this, the entire movie was neither scary or suspense. I mean, it was boring and tireless through the entire movie. Don't get wrong, but the Alien creature from that movie is either fake or looks like a man inside of a suit. :-\
That slow build up isn't common in today's movies. And, again, the creature doesn't look that good by today's standards. But when I was a kid, it scared the life out of me! The alien was plenty real enough then. But times move on. I love watching Alien, but some aspects of it don't hit the mark as well as they did when I was twelve. But trust me, it terrified people. After all, zombie movies terrified people then, and they're still making them with very little real difference.
I know it terrified people back then, but you have to admit it was boring.
I didn't find it boring. If anything I like it b/c the pacing was top-notch. Kept me on my tos.
Quote from: Nyktimos on Jan 14, 2009, 05:51:00 PM
And, again, the creature doesn't look that good by today's standards.
I disagree.
Quote from: The_Undertaker on Jan 14, 2009, 10:21:27 PMI know it terrified people back then, but you have to admit it was boring.
I pretty much still get high on the build up. I leave that movie feeling like I've been on a journey; a rare thing nowadays.
Agreed. Films these days are too riddled with cliches for me to enjoy most.
Wow who let the Rob Zombie fan into the forum? Criticizing Alien on anything is madness. I watched it a few weeks ago and even the special effects still hold up as making me believe this is space and the future.
Seriously, if you didn't like Alien just give up on horror all together. The film is in a class by itself. The only horror movies as good I could think of would have to be something like Suspiria or Inferno by Dario Argento. But even those don't create the same type of gothic, claustraphobic atmosphere that Alien presents.
My favorite Alien has to be Aliens or Alien 3 but I have to choice.... Alien 3 because it was cooler 8)
Quote from: The_Undertaker on Jan 14, 2009, 10:21:27 PM
I know it terrified people back then, but you have to admit it was boring.
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well, if instead of carefully built realism and pace that slowly builds tension and sense of danger and calustrophobia you prefer large Boom boom, CGI, hot cicks, boobs and blood everywhere, then no offense but I think youre either very young or dont take movies as an art form. Alien is timeless because of the way its constructed. Movies that are made today will be horribly dated in the future, even more so than the 80's cheese. Alien can be done today and its still a amsterpiece relaying on human psychology instead of mindless FX and blood that kiddos like so much. Im not attacking you or anything, just saying that the only people I ve heard saying that Alien was boring were young teens or so called, "teeny boppers"
Quote from: The_Undertaker on Jan 14, 2009, 02:07:42 PM
Don't get me wrong, but the first Alien movie was kinda crappish. :-\
Seems to be a minority view! There's nothing wrong with that. It just means you're wrong! ;)
How can an opinion be wrong?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 24, 2009, 05:20:49 PM
How can an opinion be wrong?
If it contradicts the fact. Opinions are opinions, bt facts are facts. Alien has a 97% approval on RottenTomatoes, webiste reviewed OnLy by professional critics from HeraldTribunes, ChicagoTimes etc.
The reviews arent about "oh, that was cool I liked it". They take into consideration the structure, camera angles, editing, vibe and how the plot evolves. 97% is just unbelievable, and there are very few movies with such high rating.
One might not like it, but it's still a great movie. For example, I don;t like Godfather, but I DO acknowledge that it IS a masterpiece and one of the greatest movies ever done.
Alien isn't for everybody, it's only for thinking adults. If someone thinks it's boring, than it means that the psychological aspect didn't get to him. That means he prefers fast pace and explosions, just like little kids who can't sit still. Alien is a movie for thoughts and based purely on thinking and tension
Again, you might hate it, but it doesn't change the fact it is a masterpiece and one of the greatest horror movies ever done.
there is a difference between qualified opinion and an opinion. If a friend says to me - you probably have some ear infection, by yourself some vixine or something than I'll take it with a grain of salt, but if a Doctor says 'you have an ear infection caused by this and that in advanced stage. Take nurodex twice a day with water etc" than thats a qualified, educated opinion. And in this case doctors=critics, just like the masses, diagnosed Alien as a carefully thought out masterpiece
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Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 24, 2009, 05:20:49 PM
How can an opinion be wrong?
If it contradicts the fact. Opinions are opinions, bt facts are facts. Alien has a 97% approval on RottenTomatoes, webiste reviewed OnLy by professional critics from HeraldTribunes, ChicagoTimes etc.
The reviews arent about "oh, that was cool I liked it". They take into consideration the structure, camera angles, editing, vibe and how the plot evolves. 97% is just unbelievable, and there are very few movies with such high rating.
One might not like it, but it's still a great movie. For example, I don;t like Godfather, but I DO acknowledge that it IS a masterpiece and one of the greatest movies ever done.
Alien isn't for everybody, it's only for thinking adults. If someone thinks it's boring, than it means that the psychological aspect didn't get to him. That means he prefers fast pace and explosions, just like little kids who can't sit still. Alien is a movie for thoughts and based purely on thinking and tension
Again, you might hate it, but it doesn't change the fact it is a masterpiece and one of the greatest horror movies ever done.
there is a difference between qualified opinion and an opinion. If a friend says to me - you probably have some ear infection, by yourself some vixine or something than I'll take it with a grain of salt, but if a Doctor says 'you have an ear infection caused by this and that in advanced stage. Take nurodex twice a day with water etc" than thats a qualified, educated opinion. And in this case doctors=critics, just like the masses, diagnosed Alien as a carefully thought out masterpiece
Plus, I was just having a lark! I don't really think anyone's opinion is wrong.
Well, i really like Aliens but Alien had that creepy intensity and even the subtle terror of the chestburster is so friggin awesome!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
The buildup was pretty cool; Hurt knows how to have a convincing convulsion ;D
Aliens
Aliens
Alien3
Alien
Alien Resurrection
My favourite is Aliens.
Aliens
Alien Resurection
Alien
Alien 3
Alien, but I also love Aliens.
Do I even need to say? Oh okay it's Alien 3 (AC)
Aliens, then Alien, then Alien 3, then Alien Ressusection.
DEATH TO RESSURECTION!!!! >:(
Sorry I said that, but Ressurection SUCKED!
Absolutely...."Alien" ;D
It's still Aliens for me. Watched it again last night for the 1000th time, and I still saw something I had never noticed before ;D
Quote from: Vulhala on Feb 28, 2009, 04:24:09 PM
It's still Aliens for me. Watched it again last night for the 1000th time, and I still saw something I had never noticed before ;D
What was it?
Quote from: Alien3 on Mar 02, 2009, 05:23:55 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on Feb 28, 2009, 04:24:09 PM
It's still Aliens for me. Watched it again last night for the 1000th time, and I still saw something I had never noticed before ;D
What was it?
In the specal edition, during the scene where you see Hadleys Hope for the first time and the 6-wheel tractor moves across the camera, in the background down an alley you can see two guys adjusting a tarpaulin. I never realised they were there, and it gave me great respect for Camerons skills, as the forced perspective was just flawless. :D
^^^^
Its the same for me...I watched the Directors cut of Alien 3 recently.
The scene where they're dragging "Babe" the Ox in and to the right & up high are cages
with live chickens in them...never noticed them before :D
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Mar 03, 2009, 06:27:30 PM
^^^^
Its the same for me...I watched the Directors cut of Alien 3 recently.
The scene where they're dragging "Babe" the Ox in and to the right & up high are cages
with live chickens in them...never noticed them before :D
Me neither!! Well, I guess I know what I'm gonna be watching tonight then :o :o
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Mar 03, 2009, 06:27:30 PM
^^^^
Its the same for me...I watched the Directors cut of Alien 3 recently.
The scene where they're dragging "Babe" the Ox in and to the right & up high are cages
with live chickens in them...never noticed them before :D
I thought there was a close up of these when the scene starts? Pretty obvious.
Quote from: Alien3 on Mar 03, 2009, 06:46:08 PM
I thought there was a close up of these when the scene starts? Pretty obvious.
A fowl over sight on my part :D
I always have major trouble deciding between Alien and Aliens! Always! Although my dad has no problem; Alien through and through. ;D He enjoys them all though.
Aliens... then Alien.. alien 3 i am not so sure about res but it comes next to alien 3...
For science fiction - Alien, followed closely by Aliens
For horror - Alien, followed by Alien 3...
For dark comedy - Alien Resurrection, it's greatest strength in relation to the other movies.
But overall, ALIEN kicks all kinds of ass.
Alien, then
Aliens/Alien 3, then
Alien Ressurection.
If I ever said that ALIEN RESSURECTION was in a higher place than ALIEN 3, I take my words back.
Aliens, Alien
Alien 3, Aliens, Alien Res, Alien
Here's a more final descision....
Alien/ Aliens/ Alien3
Alien Ressurection
But I vote Alien3 casuse it's underrated imo.
Yeah...
I used to not like it but then I saw it again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again.......
Oh my head hurts...
I didn't like A3 the first time I watched it. I watched the theatrical version first, then for comparison's sake, I watched the AC after. The AC was far better and made the film feel more complete.
I saw the theatrelic cut. I hated it, but, again:
I saw it again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again. And again.......
I learned to love it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 2009, 05:18:45 PM
I didn't like A3 the first time I watched it. I watched the theatrical version first, then for comparison's sake, I watched the AC after. The AC was far better and made the film feel more complete.
Yeah, it's overall a better film, but there were some things that just worked better in the T-Cut. In my opinion anyways.
-I wish they kept the Dog Burster instead.... the dog seemed more innocent than a dead ox, and made more of an impact when the Chestburster came out.
-I also wish they kept Dillon's inspiring speech line "The only question is how you check out" the way it was. In the AC he gave two "The only question is", and it felt badly edited together.
-As far as the damaged audio goes, some of it wasn't all that important, so I wish they kept the original opening and dialouge that was subtitled the way it was in the T-Cut.
-One biggie: I wish Ripley's chestburster came out when she falls into the furnace in the A-Cut. Having her just fall imo ruined that sense of a ticking time bomb that I felt the T-Cut held so well.
But hey, that's just me. :)
I love both versions of A3, and would agree that A:R, even though I enjoy it, is the worst of the four.
QuoteOne biggie: I wish Ripley's chestburster came out when she falls into the furnace in the A-Cut. Having her just fall imo ruined that sense of a ticking time bomb that I felt the T-Cut held so well.
I soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo agree with you!
Aliens
Alien 3
A:R
Alien
The original Alien movie. You can't beat a classic for me.
AL()ENS all the way.
Aliens
Alien:Resurrection
Alien 3-There's something about that last scene that I love, not in a morbid kind of way.
Alien
Quote from: AliensA:R-Fan on Apr 10, 2009, 10:43:50 PM
Aliens
Alien:Resurrection <----
Alien 3-There's something about that last scene that I love, not in a morbid kind of way.
Alien <----
WHAT!
I'm not getting into another that movie is crap argument, but what I would like to know is why?
Quote from: Lone Warrior on Apr 19, 2009, 08:25:18 PM
Quote from: AliensA:R-Fan on Apr 10, 2009, 10:43:50 PM
Aliens
Alien:Resurrection <----
Alien 3-There's something about that last scene that I love, not in a morbid kind of way.
Alien <----
WHAT!
I'm not getting into another that movie is crap argument, but what I would like to know is why?
Though I disagree with him too,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion
:P
Quote from: philsaw101134 on Apr 19, 2009, 08:55:37 PM
Quote from: Lone Warrior on Apr 19, 2009, 08:25:18 PM
Quote from: AliensA:R-Fan on Apr 10, 2009, 10:43:50 PM
Aliens
Alien:Resurrection <----
Alien 3-There's something about that last scene that I love, not in a morbid kind of way.
Alien <----
WHAT!
I'm not getting into another that movie is crap argument, but what I would like to know is why?
Though I disagree with him too,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion
:P
lol ;D
Why did you even put it on? ;)
QuoteThough I disagree with him too,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion
Sorry bud couldnt resist this ;D :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disagreement
Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Apr 20, 2009, 07:12:18 PM
QuoteThough I disagree with him too,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion
Sorry bud couldnt resist this ;D :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disagreement
lol
Touché.
Quote from: philsaw101134 on Apr 21, 2009, 12:30:51 AM
Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Apr 20, 2009, 07:12:18 PM
QuoteThough I disagree with him too,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion
Sorry bud couldnt resist this ;D :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disagreement
lol
Touché.
AW MAN! lol ;D
This is gold... ;D
Alien ressurection is starting to crawl into my mind. The ship was great, but the story - sucked.
A:R still has some great moments, like the underwater sequence, when the Aliens escape, Elgyn's death, and when Ripley 8 discovers and destroys all of the clones. Sigourney did a fantastic job with that scene.
The story is not that great at all compared to the other films, but still makes for a good popcorn flick, and still a pretty good sci-fi film. In my opinion of course.
Aliens
Alien
Alien Resurrection
Alien 3
Aliens Extended Edition
Alien
Alien Resurrection
Alien 3
Alien versus Predator Requiem (I liked seeing the alien's acid melt through that one dumb kid the pawn shop and the Army NG scene, but that main character bitch should have died!)
Alien versus Predator (Scar Predator being pussy whipped killed the movie)
My first posting her goes to praise the original 1979 ALIEN; it is a film that is perfect in every which way; the story, the Giger design (and other designs as well), the horrors, Ash's android inhumanity, the list is long.
I don't disagree too much on Alien3 either. The closing shots of the prison being sealed shut is greatness.
Quote from: TyrellCorp on Apr 26, 2009, 11:45:18 PM
I don't disagree too much on Alien3 either. The closing shots of the prison being sealed shut is greatness.
And to top it off with Eliot Goldenthal's amazing music score made it all the better. :)
If I remember correctly in the theatrical version, the chestburster emerges from Ripley as she's falling in. I hated that only because it seemed like it was forced in there. Ripley's about to die, so who cares if it emerges or not?
Yes, that is in the theatrical cut, but I dont think it felt rushed. It isnt just that it bursts out, but Ripley holds it to her chest so it cant try and escape somehow. I always thought it was a very powerful image, and the symbolism of the mother holding her young generally creeps me out.
I didn't see any imagery there. If anything, she should've tossed it into the fire on the way down considering how much she hated it.
Well if she is already dead, it might as well be as theatrical as possible. :P
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 27, 2009, 09:07:59 PM
I didn't see any imagery there. If anything, she should've tossed it into the fire on the way down considering how much she hated it.
lol
of course. That would have made the ending 10000x better.
Quote from: Undeadite on Apr 27, 2009, 09:16:19 PM
Well if she is already dead, it might as well be as theatrical as possible. :P
Haha, well, I just thought it was pointless. I was happy seeing Ripley just fall in, knowing the Alien was there. Honestly, you can watch the burster come out and have a neon sign telling the audience "POINT AND LAUGH!!!!"
I changed my vote to Alien. I just watched it for like the hundredth time and never once thought 'oh what a cool suit', but 'god damn now THAT is an alien!'.
Make sure you keep a theatre seat warm for May 5th dude, 30th Anniversary of Alien ;D
QuoteIf I remember correctly in the theatrical version, the chestburster emerges from Ripley as she's falling in. I hated that only because it seemed like it was forced in there. Ripley's about to die, so who cares if it emerges or not?
It was forced in there. Giler wanted it to burst on the gantry. Fincher didn't want it to burst at all. The TC ending is a compromise and a payoff. You can't through the whole movie with Ripley carrying an Alien not to get to see it burst out.
It didn't quite tie in with Fincher's idea of 'sacrifice', but it's better than Giler's ending ("Janitor service").
The TC ending is visually poetic, the way Ripley embraces the Queen as she falls. The AC ending with her maintaining the JC pose all the way down was too over the top.
Mind you I would've loved to see the Ward ending where she just walks into the fire at the end.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 28, 2009, 05:18:03 AM
Make sure you keep a theatre seat warm for May 5th dude, 30th Anniversary of Alien ;D
Wow, 30 friggin years. I wish I could see it in theaters, Ive only had the pleasure of seeing A:R during its original run, and Aliens in a festival.
Quote from: SM on Apr 28, 2009, 05:29:28 AM
The TC ending is visually poetic, the way Ripley embraces the Queen as she falls. The AC ending with her maintaining the JC pose all the way down was too over the top.
Definitely agree with you on that one.
Quote from: SM on Apr 28, 2009, 05:29:28 AM
It was forced in there. Giler wanted it to burst on the gantry. Fincher didn't want it to burst at all. The TC ending is a compromise and a payoff. You can't through the whole movie with Ripley carrying an Alien not to get to see it burst out.
It didn't quite tie in with Fincher's idea of 'sacrifice', but it's better than Giler's ending ("Janitor service").
The TC ending is visually poetic, the way Ripley embraces the Queen as she falls. The AC ending with her maintaining the JC pose all the way down was too over the top.
Mind you I would've loved to see the Ward ending where she just walks into the fire at the end.
Eh...poetry or not, the feeling to me just seemed like "Ah well, what the hell, the Alien's in her, so let's show it anyway even though now it has no impact on the story".
It has an impact on the way the story is told. And it is a major contrast to previous burstings, that have been loud nasty hurty affairs. This one is almost peaceful.
I prefer the no-bursting version though because I prefer subtlety. I always remembered the Alien was inside her, so I know it's going to burned along with her. That's poetic enough for me because I know that in sacrificing herself, Ripley is also taking with her the last piece of her never ending nightmare.
Which is exatly what happens in the theatrical cut.
And I don't find Ripley falling all the way into the lead with an image that screams SEE WHAT I DID THERE?? exactly subtle.
Well, for me its Alien tied with Aliens. I cant decide which one. One day I prefer the first one, another the second. Love A3 as well
Quote from: JamesCameronOnline on May 07, 2009, 11:14:47 PM
Well, for me its Alien tied with Aliens. I cant decide which one. One day I prefer the first one, another the second. Love A3 as well
Actually it depends on your mood. If you want horror, then Alien. If you want action, then Aliens.
Am I right?
Quote from: deadmeat on May 12, 2009, 01:36:53 PM
Actually it depends on your mood. If you want horror, then Alien. If you want action, then Aliens.
Am I right?
You are right. I never want to have to chose the 'best' out of 'Alien' or 'Aliens' and I get in all sorts of trouble when I tell people that they are of different styles. "They are just films about an alien..." - no, they are not
just films about an alien...
Yes they are. Alien was a basic haunted house tale set in space, with a never-before seen creature and more sexual themes underlying it than your average Giger piece of artwork. Aliens was a generic sci-fi action film with big production values.
It looked like it had big production values because Cameron's visual and technical ability. The budget wasn't that big.
Ok. But my point is that at the end of the day, it was a generic, albeit shiny, sci-fi film.
Sci-fi horror film.
Aliens wasn't horror to me. It was sci-fi action.
Shit popping out of peoples chests falls into the realm of horror.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 18, 2009, 02:28:35 PM
Ok. But my point is that at the end of the day, it was a generic, albeit shiny, sci-fi film.
Aliens is a generic sci-fi movie? I'd like to know what you think is a non-generic sci-fi film then.
And yes. Aliens is a mixture of genres. It's Science Fiction, Action, and Horror. You can mix and match those with any Alien or Predator flick.
Quote from: SM on May 19, 2009, 12:21:27 AM
Shit popping out of peoples chests falls into the realm of horror.
That happened once.
Time magazine thought its horror
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Quote from: DoomRulz on May 19, 2009, 12:42:12 AM
That happened once.
What the f*ck would you consider Poltergeist? A romantic comedy? No one died in that movie, so it is not a Horror film?
I was referring to the single chestburster scene in Aliens.
QuoteThat happened once.
Same as Alien then.
Alien had more more horror moments in it, i.e. Kane's Son popping up by surprise in shuttle, cornering Ripley before she drops Jonesy, and confronting Lambert and Parker. Aliens had, IMO, one true horror moment when Hicks sees the Aliens crawling in the ceiling.
I suppose if one feels the need to pigeon hole films into a single genre.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 19, 2009, 07:08:18 AM
Alien had more more horror moments in it, i.e. Kane's Son popping up by surprise in shuttle, cornering Ripley before she drops Jonesy, and confronting Lambert and Parker. Aliens had, IMO, one true horror moment when Hicks sees the Aliens crawling in the ceiling.
Same kind of scenes you can find in Aliens :
Kane's Son popping up by surprise in shuttle - Bishop getting impaled by the tale: both sudden and unexpected turns towards the end after you thought its all over, both relying on sudden scare and temporary confusion
cornering Ripley before she drops Jonesy - Queen closing in on Ripley and Newt in the elevator: same idea, and it was done puprosely to mirror that scene. Alien/Queen cuts off the way for Ripley by appearing from around the corner
and confronting Lambert and Parker - thats simply a confrontation with alien. Ful of scare and tension, but you had plenty of that in Aliens, and little heightened by the sound of the motion trackers
Quote from: JamesCameronOnline on May 20, 2009, 12:29:52 AM
Same kind of scenes you can find in Aliens :
Kane's Son popping up by surprise in shuttle - Bishop getting impaled by the tale: both sudden and unexpected turns towards the end after you thought its all over, both relying on sudden scare and temporary confusion
Not entirely because we see the acid fall to the ground in the scene with Bishop which makes the audience go "Uh oh..." and we know what's coming.
No we don't. We don't get time to go "Uh oh".
It raises eyebrows at least. My point is that you know something bad is about to happen.
And Kane spluttering was ... ?
Did I say it wasn't?
I love Aliens to bits and it's my favourite sci-fi horror/action but I could never put it above the original. All of you should be ashamed.
What I don't get is how it says on here everyone loves it over Alien but people talk about how Aliens took a shit on the creature compared to the original and things like that... yet it is the forums favorite. Really? That's confusing.
There's only a handful of folks around here who think that, myself and SiL being the only two I can immediately think of.
Quote from: The Demon on May 21, 2009, 04:05:13 PM
What I don't get is how it says on here everyone loves it over Alien but people talk about how Aliens took a shit on the creature compared to the original and things like that...
Did I say that? I never said that! ;)
'ALIEN' is a great sci-fi horror film, but as an action genre fan, I chose 'Aliens'. I think the creature is well executed in both films.
Hmmmmm tough between every alien film hahahaha ummm aliens i would think!
my favourite alien movies would be Alien and Aliens
1: Alien and Alien 3
2: Aliens
3: A:R
Aliens.
As many other here, I consider Aliens to be the magnum opus of the Alien franchise.
Quote from: Lone Wolf on Jun 15, 2009, 07:39:40 PM
As many other here, I consider Aliens to be the magnum opus of the Alien franchise.
Makes me sad. :'(
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Jun 15, 2009, 07:42:16 PM
Quote from: Lone Wolf on Jun 15, 2009, 07:39:40 PM
As many other here, I consider Aliens to be the magnum opus of the Alien franchise.
Makes me sad. :'(
Hehe, mind being nice and telling why?
magnum opus!?!? whats your problem? I laugh at your judgement of the best movie! here i go. HA HA HA HA HA HA! HA!
ALIEN is waaaaaay better than ALIENS. sure aliens is good but not the "magnum opus" or whatever. but we all intitled to are own opinion. but seriously bad judgement.
Quote from: gigerfan241 on Jun 15, 2009, 08:41:37 PM
magnum opus!?!? whats your problem? I laugh at your judgement of the best movie! here i go. HA HA HA HA HA HA! HA!
ALIEN is waaaaaay better than ALIENS. sure aliens is good but not the "magnum opus" or whatever. but we all intitled to are own opinion. but seriously bad judgement.
Wow, take it easy. Yes, I consider James Cameron's entry in the series to be the best, but why do you react so ... strongly? It's my opinion, you don't have to agree, I respect your opinion. And the reason I chose the word magnum opus is that both Alien and Aliens are masterpieces, but Aliens is still a better movie, and magnum opus is a word to describe greatest work, and Aliens is the greatest work of the Alien franchise. But I can understand why some people consider the original better, because it's the films are so different, it's more about what genre you like.
Quote from: gigerfan241 on Jun 15, 2009, 08:41:37 PM
magnum opus!?!? whats your problem? I laugh at your judgement of the best movie! here i go. HA HA HA HA HA HA! HA!
ALIEN is waaaaaay better than ALIENS. sure aliens is good but not the "magnum opus" or whatever. but we all intitled to are own opinion. but seriously bad judgement.
Obvious trolls are obvious...
Quote from: Lone Wolf on Jun 15, 2009, 09:07:09 PM
Hehe, mind being nice and telling why?
I will...
Quote from: Lone Wolf on Jun 15, 2009, 09:07:09 PM
Yes, I consider James Cameron's entry in the series to be the best, but why do you react so ... strongly? It's my opinion, you don't have to agree, I respect your opinion. And the reason I chose the word magnum opus is that both Alien and Aliens are masterpieces, but Aliens is still a better movie, and magnum opus is a word to describe greatest work, and Aliens is the greatest work of the Alien franchise.
Aliens might be the magnum opus of James Cameron, but claiming that it is the magnum opus of a whole Alien franchise is beyond being bold, especially since all the four movies in the franchise are pretty different from each other.
Another thing that really provokes me here, is that a straight-up Hollywood tradition movie is seen as "being the better movie" than
Alien and
Alien 3, which are two movies that are way more advanced film-wise, and deep even, compared to the crowd pleaser
Aliens. Sure,
Aliens is a great sci-fi action movie, just like
Alien is a great sci-fi horror movie whereas
Alien 3 is a great sci-fi thriller drama. And some people consider
A:R to be a great sci-fi splatter/action comedy.
Quote from: Lone Wolf on Jun 15, 2009, 09:07:09 PM
But I can understand why some people consider the original better, because it's the films are so different, it's more about what genre you like.
Bingo! Personally
Alien 3 is at par with
Alien right now for me.
It really does depend on the genre you prefer as there are a couple of genres at least within the franchise. 'Alien' and 'Alien3' are horror films, 'Aliens' and 'A:R' are clearly action films.
If you talk in terms of what is most entertaining, 'Aliens' is my pick, but the most atmospheric is 'Alien'. 'Alien' is also technically better than 'Aliens' in how it is shot and directed IMO.
I will, however, always chose 'Aliens' if it came down to picking one as my fave Alien film.
Quote from: Nachtfalke on Jun 16, 2009, 02:02:34 AM
'Alien' is also technically better than 'Aliens' in how it is shot and directed IMO.
Thats an interesting statement sicne Jim wanted to be consistent stylistically with the first movie as well. Studied the way Ridley shot movies and all of his techniques for a long time before starting shooting himself. He copied same use of shadows, angles, zooms and used same lenses. Of course he threw in soome of his style too, but mostly copied Ridley's technques. Thats quite impressive if you ask me, since most of the sequels wouldnt care about stuff like that
Quote from: JamesCameronOnline on Jun 16, 2009, 12:44:11 PM
Quote from: Nachtfalke on Jun 16, 2009, 02:02:34 AM
'Alien' is also technically better than 'Aliens' in how it is shot and directed IMO.
Thats an interesting statement sicne Jim wanted to be consistent stylistically with the first movie as well. tudied the way Ridlley shot movies and all of his techniques for a long time before starting shooting himself. He copied same use of shadows, angles, zooms and used same lenses. Of course he threw in soome of his tyle too, but mostly copied Ridley's technques. Thats quite impressive if you ask me, since most of the sequels wouldnt care about stuff like that
Very impressive for sure. If it seemed that way Nacht i would venture to guess it had to do with JC's crew having double the budget. Both are amazing films and both my favorites depending on my mood when you ask me. ;D
Absolutely.
Quote from: Peteysodes on Jun 16, 2009, 12:48:13 PM
oth are amazing films and both my favorites depending on my mood when you ask me. ;D
Entirely agree with this comment. The initial trilogy are IMHO all equal. However, depends on what kinda mood you're in since they are all three very different films.
Im with you. I really love the first three movies, the first two maybe just a notch above the third one, but still. I do acknwoledge the holes and faults of A3, but that doesnt mean I dont enjoy it a whole lot
Yeah, each movie of the original trilogy definitely CAN hold a candle to each other and to its own - they're all equally strong, yet very different compared to each other. So yeah, it all depends on what mood you're in and what kind of movies you fancy.
I'm not a big fan of action movies and indisputable story arcs and fast-paced narratives with clear trajectories. I like slow movies with endings that are open for interpretation, melancholic, bittersweet, status quo-esque or just downright sad. Movies with hero(es)/heroine(s) that are superhuman and completely pawn the enemy make me root for the antagonist(s)... Every time an elf or human were snuffed in the LOTR movies, I sheered! During the movies I hoped that Legolas, Eomer or Aragorn would bite the dust, even though I have read the books a gazillion times.
In my fan-edit of Aliens Ripley & Co hit the cryos right after the atmosphere processor nuclear blast - I can't stand the Queen vs. Powerloader fight because to me it's so incredibly stupid and on top of that it doesn't fit the established 'realism' and reality of the Alien universe.
Alien 3 took me a while to appreciate. When I saw the theatrical cut I didn't care for it because it seemed like a mess. It was as if someone slapped it together at the last minute. The Assembly Cut made more sense because it was more complete, but it wasn't perfect. And the reason it wasn't perfect to me, was because as good as it was, it was an unnecessary sequel. It is, and always will be, seen as a cash-grab in my eyes.
And let's not talk about Alien: Resurrection. That just sucked hard.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 16, 2009, 06:48:39 PM
And the reason it wasn't perfect to me, was because as good as it was, it was an unnecessary sequel. It is, and always will be, seen as a cash-grab in my eyes.
W H A T ?!?!?!?!?! :o
???
You can criticize
Alien 3 for a lot of things, but you can't accuse it for being a crowd pleaser because that's just ridiculous.
Alien 3 was and still is the perfect and only way to end the Alien saga. If anything was an unnecessary sequel it was
A:R or even
Aliens, and the reason I add the latter to the list is because
Alien didn't need a sequel. To me
Alien 3 tied the knot and perfected the whole series and gave
Aliens a purpose fitting the dark, cold and harsh universe of Alien. The deaths of Newt and Hicks sobered up the hammy ending of
Aliens and brought everything back to reality - there are no such thing as superheroes.
That's stupid. Aliens was all the closure we needed. I was more than content with the idea that Hicks, Newt, Bishop, and Ripley all go back home and live happily ever after. The idea of "Uh oh, ONE MOOOORE EGGG AYYYEEE" was so pathetic in retrospect to me it just...if that doesn't scream out desperation, I don't know what does.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 16, 2009, 07:10:38 PM
That's stupid. Aliens was all the closure we needed. I was more than content with the idea that Hicks, Newt, Bishop, and Ripley all go back home and live happily ever after. The idea of "Uh oh, ONE MOOOORE EGGG AYYYEEE" was so pathetic in retrospect to me it just...if that doesn't scream out desperation, I don't know what does.
A happy ending like the one in Aliens was beyond stupid (let's play family! Momma Ripley, daddy Hicks, doughtier Newt and their old trusty pooch Bishop...).
The Alien in
Alien already had a way cooler and scarier way to develop eggs (Egg-morphing) compared to the generic Queen concept... But since Cameron wanted a Hollywood bug hunt in space and he needed a retarded Godzilla vs. King Kong boss fight in the end, he DESPERATELY changed the whole concept to fit him and his idea of the perfect Startroopers (the books) rip-off. Fincher did the same thing, but since people still hold a grudge against him, just like they hail Cameron as if he was a god, the egg thing in
Alien 3 isn't considered to be legit. That's hypocrite!
I'm not defending what Cameron did. I will always stand by the idea that he did more harm to the Alien than good.
I don't blame Fincher for Alien 3 failing though. I never have and I never will purely because he had to deal with so bullshit from Fox it was coming out of his ears. I think the egg thing in A3 was dumb because it doesn't work logically following the second film. If the Queen needs to develop that large ovipositor (sp?) in order to lay eggs, how the f**k did she do it quick enough to lay an egg in the time it took to get from the colony to the Sulaco?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 16, 2009, 08:40:03 PM
I'm not defending what Cameron did. I will always stand by the idea that he did more harm to the Alien than good.
I don't blame Fincher for Alien 3 failing though. I never have and I never will purely because he had to deal with so bullshit from Fox it was coming out of his ears. I think the egg thing in A3 was dumb because it doesn't work logically following the second film. If the Queen needs to develop that large ovipositor (sp?) in order to lay eggs, how the f**k did she do it quick enough to lay an egg in the time it took to get from the colony to the Sulaco?
Can't we assume an Alien warrior or drone planted the egg there? A-la Alien: Resurrection, when they set the trap?
How would it have gotten there? They were all in the Hive.
The same way the one that killed Spunkmeyer got there...
So it got in the ship and didn't kill Bishop and Hicks?
Sure.
Or maybe she just grabbed one egg and took it with her as she ventured her way through the hive, the elevators and to the dropship? And it makes sense too, especially since her hive was about to burn down.
Another explanation could be that Queens are able to lay eggs without the ovipositor, but the egg layer frequency will be much (s)lower.
Seriously, there are a bunch of viable explanations, but it's up to you and me to decide if they're good enough, and if not then we should ask ourselves if it matters depending on the quality of the rest of the movie. I totally accept Fincher's explanation though. But of course I can understand if it annoys people, especially people who decided they hated Alien 3 from the get-go, even so, I don't think it should matter since the end-product is what I would like to call a "perfectly flawed masterpiece".
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 16, 2009, 09:44:04 PM
So it got in the ship and didn't kill Bishop and Hicks?
Sure.
Can't kill something thats not alive
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Jun 16, 2009, 09:24:44 PM
The same way the one that killed Spunkmeyer got there...
That was always my reasoning to a T. Never saw that alien get in, it was my understanding that it was almost a foreshadowing that the Sulaco was contaminated after the dropship incident.
Gotta go with A L I E N but AL()ENS is very close
Alien and Aliens.
Aliens and alien resurrection are my only favorites aliens before ressurection though. any other movies of the franchise are dead to me.
Alien 3
It was the first Alien film I ever watched.
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Jun 23, 2009, 09:19:11 AM
Alien 3
It was the first Alien film I ever watched.
Nice, Predator was one of my firsts.
Quote from: Peteysodes on Jun 23, 2009, 04:38:33 PM
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Jun 23, 2009, 09:19:11 AM
Alien 3
It was the first Alien film I ever watched.
Nice, Predator was one of my firsts.
Aliens was the first alien film I watched and boy did it creep me out.
Well, the first Alien movie that I saw was Ressurection. :P
You and I both. The only reason I liked it though was because I didn't have a clue of what the back story was. All I saw was guns, aliens, and shit being blown up.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 23, 2009, 07:40:37 PM
You and I both. The only reason I liked it though was because I didn't have a clue of what the back story was. All I saw was guns, aliens, and shit being blown up.
lol, yeah and it was creepily awesome
Quote from: Lone Wolf on Jun 15, 2009, 09:07:09 PM
Quote from: gigerfan241 on Jun 15, 2009, 08:41:37 PM
magnum opus!?!? whats your problem? I laugh at your judgement of the best movie! here i go. HA HA HA HA HA HA! HA!
ALIEN is waaaaaay better than ALIENS. sure aliens is good but not the "magnum opus" or whatever. but we all intitled to are own opinion. but seriously bad judgement.
Wow, take it easy. Yes, I consider James Cameron's entry in the series to be the best, but why do you react so ... strongly? It's my opinion, you don't have to agree, I respect your opinion. And the reason I chose the word magnum opus is that both Alien and Aliens are masterpieces, but Aliens is still a better movie, and magnum opus is a word to describe greatest work, and Aliens is the greatest work of the Alien franchise. But I can understand why some people consider the original better, because it's the films are so different, it's more about what genre you like.
Alright marines, it's time for another Alien verus Aliens debate!
We are going to go and GET SOME!
"we all intitled to are own opinion", but then you say thats bad judgement? What the f**k kind of twisted sense does that make(Note, these rules do not apply to AR and AVP fans they are NOT entitled to there own opinion and should be hunted down and burned at the stake immediately) If we are allowed to have our own opinion, then f**k off! Me and Lone wolf like ALIENS because we like action(most likely) and you like horror movies more(probably). I dont know what is the problem wiht that.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 23, 2009, 07:40:37 PM
You and I both. The only reason I liked it though was because I didn't have a clue of what the back story was. All I saw was guns, aliens, and shit being blown up.
LOL Exactly my thoughts! ;D
Only after getting more exposure to the franchise did I realize how much it sucks though. Like AvP.
After watching Aliens and then the others Im pretty sure i was alien last I didnt really like it, except for the chestbursting scene that was awesome but the alien itself i didnt like, i guess cuz I have grown to the other designs.
I'm getting a vibe that you are a Predator fan...
Quote from: Deadmeat on Jun 25, 2009, 08:24:59 PM
I'm getting a vibe that you are a Predator fan...
lol nope more of an alien fan than predator, I like predator but I like alien more im more of a horror/sci-fi fan anyways
Well it depends on my mood wich one I like better...
I'm sure i've posted my thoughts on these films earlier on in this thread but ages ago...
#1 - I would have to cite 'Alien' as my favorite film + often cite it as my favorite film of all time, even beyond the realm of the Alien franchise. I find everything about this film to be absolutely brilliant. Yes, there are a few 'goofs' but they are easily forgivable. I just find 'Alien' to be a perfect film. A very solid 4 out of 4 stars.
#2 - While i cite 'Alien' as being my favorite movie i really do find 'Aliens' to be just as great but for different reasons. It is without a doubt my favorite action film of all time. Another 4 out of 4 stars.
#3 - Alien 3 (Assembly Cut): A great and often underrated film by non-series fans but then again, i guess our love for it is what helps define us as fans - lol. Again, there are so many things about this film that i love, especially the scenery and the musical score. The theatrical release really cut out many of the moments that make this film what it is - a character piece/human drama. It's pretty easy to see why the public frowned up the theatrical cut after they loved 'Aliens' so much. Of course they likely would have hated the Assembly Cut just as much @ the time, considering the drastic differences in style/tone. A nice 3.5 out of 4 stars.
#4 - Alien Resurrection: the sore thumb of the lot. I don't hate this film by any means but i do feel it pales in quality to the original 3 films. The style/tone the film takes on is very much in contrast with the previous films. Plus Ripley is now Ripley 8 + the Aliens were no longer scary. As a sci-fi flick it's really not that bad + certainly enjoyable for the action + even the characters aren't so bad after several viewings - lol. Still, not up too par with the rest of the lot. A mediocre 2 out of 4 stars.
That's pretty much it. I could ramble on more about each but who would read it? - lol.
Aliens was the best no doubt
Aliens for me.
Aliens > Alien >> Alien 3 >>>> Alien Resurrection
I like them all but Alien is my favourite.
Aliens, Alien, Alien 3 , Alien Resurection
My order goes
Aliens
Alien Res (Cause Ripleys is an even badass bitch)
Alien
Alien3
I love Aliens the most.
My order goes:
Aliens
Alien
Alien Res (I don't think this one gets enough love also like Headhunter I love the evil Ripley)
Alien 3 (It is hard to forgive them for killing of Hicks and Newt)
Aliens
Alien
Alien3
Alien Resurrection
When i think about it, i have watched Alien so many times and i just love it so im saying Alien ;D
Once I watched Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3 back to back. That was a day to remember.
Ever since then, I viewed them as a single epic film.
That epic wins my vote.
I ought to do that again soon.
I love them all...
The first three are absolute master pieces. Love them. Its amazingly hard to choose a favorite between them.
Alien Resurrection is like the retarded nephew of the Alien series. AvP.. they're not even related.
The Original ALIEN
the greatest horror movie ever made
For me:
Aliens > Alien 3 > Alien > Alien Ressurection
I should note there is a monumental gap between the third and fourth choice :)
Quote from: Oooodz on Jul 21, 2009, 10:13:16 AM
For me:
Aliens > Alien 3 > Alien >
Alien Ressurection
I should note there is a monumental gap between the third and fourth choice :)
Fixed ;)
Aliens, but Alien is the real true classic. I enjoy Aliens more because I like the setting and the fact that there is a ton of them. But Alien is just the classic original, a real horror masterpiece and the movie with the greatest sense of mystery and uncertainty.
I'm twelve years old and what is this?
I'm torn between ALIEN and ALIENS- I love them both for different reasons! "F" it, I can't vote! Too hard! That's what she said!
I like Aliens slightly more than Alien and Alien 3 (which are equal in my eyes). I actually liked A:R a lot, but it's not quite in the same league.
I like all the Alien movies, they each have their own unique spark, which sets them apart from other sagas that share the same director.
Alien is my favourite, then Aliens. Alien3 sucked horribly. I wish they had done that differently i.e. keeping Hicks, Newt, and Bishop alive. Haven't seen the fourth one yet.
Don't bother. It's the worst out of either franchise IMO.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 27, 2009, 03:07:44 PM
Don't bother. It's the worst out of either franchise IMO.
Right behind Predator 2 ;)
Ya...it is behind Predator 2. At least Predator 2 wasn't 100 something years in the future after the previous film with a cloned protagonist, wtf.
.................it was a joke Doom?
You shame me...
I actually kind of liked Predator 2. Probably just because it had Danny Glover.
ALIENS is my favorite but ALIEN is the best.
A L () E N S is the best IMO! ;D
I'd say that Alien 3 and Alien are my favorites. Pretty indifferent about A:R (such a missed opportunity), and every time I watch Aliens I like it less and less (let's face it: it's one of the most overrated movies of all time).
I do not know why people can not just love the first 3.
I like all three but Aliens is the best
Quote from: Chris!(($$))! on Sep 07, 2009, 04:41:45 AM
I do not know why people can not just love the first 3.
Some do. There are users here who cream over Alien 3, citing it as a masterpiece.
Thats what I mean. Its not bad or great ever. Its a good ALIEN film which means its a VERY good sci-fi film but I just do not think people should go crazy over it or hate it. That love should go to ALIEN or maybe ALIENS. Then again this is my opinion.
I like the first two
ALIEN is my favorite now.
I agree its the one that started it all
i rate them in teh order they came out, funnily enough.
tho i stopped watching res half-way through..
Quote from: LordShambler on Oct 11, 2009, 03:23:37 PM
i rate them in teh order they came out, funnily enough.
tho i stopped watching res half-way through..
lol.
Everybody keeps talking about Alien3. I should watch it again. Its been awhile.
Aliens is definitely my favorite though I have to say I really do like all of them even with their flaws. I don't think any of them are unwatchable, which is more than most franchises can say *Cough*Saw*End Cough*. Did anyone catch the marathon on AMC this weekend?
Quote from: sjs41390 on Oct 26, 2009, 02:32:20 AM
Aliens is definitely my favorite though I have to say I really do like all of them even with their flaws. I don't think any of them are unwatchable, which is more than most franchises can say *Cough*Saw*End Cough*. Did anyone catch the marathon on AMC this weekend?
I did. Unfortunately, hockey got in the way of Alien and Aliens, so I only saw the very beginning of the former, and the very end of the latter. I did manage to catch Alien3 the next night, and it was better than I remember it being. Still not very good, but better.
I''ll say Aliens, but Alien is closer now to replacing that tittle more then ever.
1. Alien 3 (the special edition):For its style, its architecture( art nouveau hints),its amazing music, its pseudo religious sub-texts,the way Ripley changes throughout the film and the Weyland Yutani commando's (those guys looked so cool). Alien 3 9.9/10
2.Alien:For creating the greating the greastist Sci-Fi trilogy ever recorded in human history, for its tense story,its thrills,its horror,its mystery and for its pure originality and design. 9/10
3.Aliens (the first Alien film i saw):For giving me nightmares as a 9 year old, for making me go as a USCM marine for Halloween when i was 10, and for getting me into the Alien Franchise at the age of 9 (guess i still haven't grown up). 8.5/10
What there was a fourth one and 2 spin off's?..........no not in book, retreats back into self security bubble.
Aliens was the very first movie i saw of that series.....then i got hooked
Resurrection.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Oct 14, 2009, 02:24:31 AM
Everybody keeps talking about Alien3. I should watch it again. Its been awhile.
Watch it and enjoy it for what it is, a classic! Sorry I'm forcing my A3 love onto people again :P
It's tolerable for what it is. Long as you don't have high expectations, you'll enjoy it.
Yeah, essentially don't get your hopes up for more fo the same after Aliens. It's a completely different - and inferior in many respects - beast.
If you're an Alien geek, you probably won't care though.
Although I would say in the acting and cinematography departments it's a far superior beast.
Note my judicious use of "many". ;)
Thats why I love A3 so much, its a very different experience from any other alien film.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 26, 2009, 11:53:43 PM
Although I would say in the acting and cinematography departments it's a far superior beast.
Script too.
No. The Alien3 script is largely a mess. Its starts with confused implausability, then spends the first hour of the film with the audience ahead of the characters - even Ripley. There is some real gold in there, no doubt, but overall it's worse than either of its predeccesors.
Pretty much.
I think the characters of Alien 3 are better written - Those that constitute characters, anyway - and it works a much more emotional story, but at least Aliens is coherent.
What do you mean by 'far ahead'?
We know thar be Alien, no-one else does.
In Alien and Aliens, info was dished out to the characters at the same time as the audience. In Alien3 there an Alien running around killing people for the first half, leading the audience to start wondering when the hell Ripley's going to figure it out.
Yes!
Quote from: SM on Nov 27, 2009, 12:26:59 AM
In Alien and Aliens, info was dished out to the characters at the same time as the audience. In Alien3 there an Alien running around killing people for the first half, leading the audience to start wondering when the hell Ripley's going to figure it out.
Why is that a bad thing? We know there's an Alien, but that doesn't tell us where the story is heading. Or rather, how it will pan out.
Quote from: SM on Nov 27, 2009, 12:26:59 AM
In Alien and Aliens, info was dished out to the characters at the same time as the audience. In Alien3 there an Alien running around killing people for the first half, leading the audience to start wondering when the hell Ripley's going to figure it out.
But thats the whole point, shes got a false sense of security which makes you itch to see her when she finds out the horrifying truth about her current and future situation. Plus the free time she has before finding out the truth builds her relationship with Clemens making his demise all the more horrific for her and the audience. I mean I fell in love with that character at the same time Ripley does. His speech before his death is brilliantly executed by Charles Dance and wonderfully shot.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 27, 2009, 12:39:11 AM
Why is that a bad thing? We know there's an Alien, but that doesn't tell us where the story is heading. Or rather, how it will pan out.
We're sorta twitching in our seats for half an hour to an hour, waiting for the fun stuff to start. And we know it'll only start when the characters begin to work things out. So there's a whole lot of wasted time there.
QuoteWhy is that a bad thing? We know there's an Alien, but that doesn't tell us where the story is heading. Or rather, how it will pan out.
It's a bad thing because it makes the hero look foolish for not knowing what the audience does.
QuoteBut thats the whole point, shes got a false sense of security...
But it's a
false, false sense of security, because there's no real shock when Ripley finally finds out the truth. We've been waiting too long for her to find out. We even suspect she's carrying a embryo by that point because of the title sequence and the Alien leaving her be (and the trailers...)
Exact same thing made all the characters in AvP seem like idiots because we'd seen so much of the Aliens and Predators that they hadn't.
QuoteSo there's a whole lot of wasted time there.
Particularly in the AC or WP with the stuff about Golic, Boggs and Rains. I do like the "I mind Golic" scene, and I see what they were trying to do - same thing with the early Murphy scene with Spike, but in the grand scheme of things it's just too slow.
The funny thing is that it could all be fixed with some editing and cutting down. Reintroducing the whole Assembly Cut version of when they capture the Alien can pad the meaty part of the movie while they cut stuff that isn't so relevant.
In addition, leaving the Alien's birth until later in the film would compact the action-time. So we could have all the character relations scenes before the monster ever shows up, have it born and cut the crap about it waiting around until it starts ripping into those bastards.
QuoteReintroducing the whole Assembly Cut version of when they capture the Alien can pad the meaty part of the movie while they cut stuff that isn't so relevant.
You mean have the character stuff while it's stashed away in the waste dump?
Possibly - but the earlier stuff was an attempt to connect with characters who were about to die - Boggs, Rains and Murphy. In the end they were so hard to tell apart, it didn't make much difference.
One disappointment though was there was no pay off for the Ripley-Junior thing. There's a great look between them during the fire and Junior was robbed of his sacrifice and redemption. Mind you, once again, it's likely the audience wouldn't have recognised him during the fire sequence anyway (unless he had his rape goggles on perhaps).
Some of the character stuff while it's stashed, sure, but stuff that needs to come before the Alien can do just that.
Wow it changed to another subject now
Quote from: SM on Nov 27, 2009, 01:06:22 AM
QuoteReintroducing the whole Assembly Cut version of when they capture the Alien can pad the meaty part of the movie while they cut stuff that isn't so relevant.
You mean have the character stuff while it's stashed away in the waste dump?
Possibly - but the earlier stuff was an attempt to connect with characters who were about to die - Boggs, Rains and Murphy. In the end they were so hard to tell apart, it didn't make much difference.
One disappointment though was there was no pay off for the Ripley-Junior thing. There's a great look between them during the fire and Junior was robbed of his sacrifice and redemption. Mind you, once again, it's likely the audience wouldn't have recognised him during the fire sequence anyway (unless he had his rape goggles on perhaps).
I agree with you there. The look Junior gives Ripley before he sacrifices himself could have been emphasized more because it was like he was saying sorry to Ripley for being a bastard and to make up for it he saves everyones lives. Well for a while at least.
Alien and Aliens are my two favourites, but I would probably say that Alien is my favourite :D
To be perfectly honest, I like Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 all equally for different reasons... so I gave the vote to Alien 3 just because it has the lowest number of those three. ;)
Quote from: AlienQueen79 on Dec 03, 2009, 09:17:45 PM
Alien and Aliens are my two favourites, but I would probably say that Alien is my favourite :D
That's exactly how I feel.
Same here. Both are great films, but Alien has a certain feel to it that Aliens just doesn't have.
Wow, I don't think I've ever posted here. I definitely haven't voted anyway.
Now, I notice that the thread title concerns my favourite 'Alien' film. In that case, I'm going to go with Aliens. It's just a blast to watch and never gets old with repeated viewings (for me, in any case).
But I do recognize Alien as being the best of the set. It really is; and it it deserves its place as numero uno for a whole raft of reasons.
Alien 3 is great too. If I had to rate it (something I will try to avoid from now on) I'd award it a 4/5 for the assembly cut. Maybe a 3 for the theatrical cut.
Finally (and just for the sake of it), I do like Resurrection quite a bit. I guess I just like its bizarre... French feel. The Newborn was kinda cool too; and provided a 'nice' little surprise for the climax.
The End
For me definitely Alien. The first and the best. And two reasons more: This was the first movie about the Alien/s I watched (it was very long ago, I was almost a child). And it changed me irrevocably. It changed my way of thinking, perception of the world, everything. Subsequent movies were only used to supplement of reshape my diseased imagination. ;)
Another pieces of the puzzle.
Aliens
Alien3
Alien (beginning is too slow for my little mind ;))
It's slow for a reason; to build the suspense. Although I can see how some people wouldn't like that.
Buildup is insanely good; only movie to ever make me jump due to a loading computer screen :D
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Dec 12, 2009, 07:14:12 AM
It's slow for a reason; to build the suspense. Although I can see how some people wouldn't like that.
Well I know that, but the more I see the more it gets better.
I watch it less...in fact, last time I saw Alien was May. I don't watch it often because I don't want it to lose its cinematic value.
Same here. I try to go at least 6 months between viewings.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 12, 2009, 09:59:11 PM
I watch it less...in fact, last time I saw Alien was May. I don't watch it often because I don't want it to lose its cinematic value.
Weird thing is it's the opposite with me, i tend to watch them a lot and they never ware off or lose their cinematic value to me.
I would have to say:
Aliens
Alien
Alien 3
Alien Ressurection
AVP2
AVP
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 12, 2009, 09:59:11 PM
I watch it less...in fact, last time I saw Alien was May. I don't watch it often because I don't want it to lose its cinematic value.
I usually don't watch them unless UI have enough time to in one sitting. Other than that, I watch tham on TV if they are on.
I submited Alien3.
Cameron make spectacular movies but I prefer watching movies where one alien make scary slaughterhouse, like ALIEN or ALIEN 3.
This scary flavour... you know... i'd like it.
Hell, Aliens! ;D Then Alien. Kind of, didn't like Alien 3, and concede Resurrection a bad fan-fiction... :-X
1. Aliens
2. Alien
3. Alien 3
4. AvP
4. A:R
5.AvP 2
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien
Alien Resurrection
What the hell is avp and avpr? ;)
My top 2 are definitely alien and alien 3, cant really decide but then just under those two is aliens and a fair bit underneath aliens is Resurrection, love them all though!
Aliens
Alien res
Alien
Alien 3
alien res before alien only because of winona ryder
Let me get this straight: you put a mediocre film in front of what is considered to be one of the greatest science fiction and horror films ever made because of a single actress?
Seems you have the general gist of it there.
Aliens
Alien
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Jan 14, 2010, 05:13:03 AM
Aliens
Alien
So whats your beef with Alien 3?
(Also AVP which I'm starting to like more and more, but opposite for AVP:R)
QuoteSo whats your beef with Alien 3?
I'm guessing he doesn't like it very much.
Quote from: SM on Jan 14, 2010, 10:22:25 PM
QuoteSo whats your beef with Alien 3?
I'm guessing he doesn't like it very much.
But why? Just curious.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 14, 2010, 04:04:25 AM
Let me get this straight: you put a mediocre film in front of what is considered to be one of the greatest science fiction and horror films ever made because of a single actress?
lol thats a hurtful way to put it but yes
I'm sorry, but I'm dumbfounded by that.
Quote from: predalien27 on Jan 14, 2010, 10:54:02 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 14, 2010, 10:22:25 PM
QuoteSo whats your beef with Alien 3?
I'm guessing he doesn't like it very much.
But why? Just curious.
I appreciate the movie for its great score and cinematography, but to me it's very disjointed from the first two.
Aliens is my fav the Queen looked kick ass
"Aliens" followed closely by "Alien"
I like the Colonial Marines too much, and I did see Aliens first. So it gets a slight edge.
And I can't enjoy Alien 3 because of Hicks Death. Its sad, I know.
To me, the first three films come together as one great film. 'Alien' provides the build-up and foreboding, 'Aliens' provides the climatic action, and 'Alien 3' give us the denouement and conclusion. Each part has its own climaxes, naturally, but I think 'Aliens' gives us the real big one.
And in my personal opinion, 'Alien 3' saved 'Aliens' (Not that 'Aliens' was anything short of near-perfection as it was, but it helped maintain that 100% near-perfection). The second film was ending with something that was to be expected of Cameron- happy makeshift family, mommy, daddy and the little girl, the monsters are dealt and done with resoundingly (Nuclear overkill), and everything's gonna be alright, they're on their way home.
An ending hardly reminiscent to the first film, where the director had originally intended for the alien to win. So, if you consider the beginning of 'Alien 3' to be the next scene in the large movie which, ignoring the credits, takes place minutes thereafter for the viewer, we get a resounding tale of hopelessness, terror, and non-cliché (Hick's face DEMOLISHED, Newt drowned, Ripley chestbursted). The movie ends with the conclusion that, even though Ripley gained the upper hand for a while, she was outdone and destroyed: the only survivor of the first two movies being a cat. The monstrosity has triumphed, it has displayed its deadliness, and the audience can no longer leave the cinema thinking 'Well, the aliens sure got their asses kicked.'
So yeah, the first 3 movies made into one great 'Aliens' movie is what I consider to be the best horror 'movie' ever. I believe A:R is just too far off in the future to be able to have anything to do with the first three films. Hollywood found itself forced to create a fourth movie that had nothing to do with the original three films but for the monsters, characters and lore: no spiritual or fluid continuation, no easy walk over a bridge left by the last film. David Fincher, knowingly or unknowingly, grabbed the 'Aliens' series in its moment of perfection and severed the chain of Hollywood money-whoring before it could truly start by creating a work that allowed absolutely no possible direct sequel... except for maybe A:CM.
Well, there's my personal take on the series.
Quote from: peanut8 on Jan 23, 2010, 01:18:00 PM
To me, the first three films come together as one great film. 'Alien' provides the build-up and foreboding, 'Aliens' provides the climatic action, and 'Alien 3' give us the denouement and conclusion. Each part has its own climaxes, naturally, but I think 'Aliens' gives us the real big one.
And in my personal opinion, 'Alien 3' saved 'Aliens' (Not that 'Aliens' was anything short of near-perfection as it was, but it helped maintain that 100% near-perfection). The second film was ending with something that was to be expected of Cameron- happy makeshift family, mommy, daddy and the little girl, the monsters are dealt and done with resoundingly (Nuclear overkill), and everything's gonna be alright, they're on their way home.
An ending hardly reminiscent to the first film, where the director had originally intended for the alien to win. So, if you consider the beginning of 'Alien 3' to be the next scene in the large movie which, ignoring the credits, takes place minutes thereafter for the viewer, we get a resounding tale of hopelessness, terror, and non-cliché (Hick's face DEMOLISHED, Newt drowned, Ripley chestbursted). The movie ends with the conclusion that, even though Ripley gained the upper hand for a while, she was outdone and destroyed: the only survivor of the first two movies being a cat. The monstrosity has triumphed, it has displayed its deadliness, and the audience can no longer leave the cinema thinking 'Well, the aliens sure got their asses kicked.'
So yeah, the first 3 movies made into one great 'Aliens' movie is what I consider to be the best horror 'movie' ever. I believe A:R is just too far off in the future to be able to have anything to do with the first three films. Hollywood found itself forced to create a fourth movie that had nothing to do with the original three films but for the monsters, characters and lore: no spiritual or fluid continuation, no easy walk over a bridge left by the last film. David Fincher, knowingly or unknowingly, grabbed the 'Aliens' series in its moment of perfection and severed the chain of Hollywood money-whoring before it could truly start by creating a work that allowed absolutely no possible direct sequel... except for maybe A:CM.
Well, there's my personal take on the series.
Wow, that wall-o-text just completely expressed how I felt about the Alien movies.
Well,
For me, Aliens because I love the Colonial Marines aspect of the film.
Then Alien
Followed by Alien 3
Lastly Alien Resurrection, which had its good points (the underwater sequence is one of my favorites) but this one was a let down for me.
I third that Peanut!! I doubt anyone could express it better :)
Alien i think is the better film but only SLIGHTLY better than aliens.... that bit in the vents/maintenace shafts from alien was brilliant ;D :D ;) :) 8)
Alien: masterpice.
Aliens: masterpice aswell.
Alien3: Okay.
Alien res: a plie of elephant crap.
Avp: stupid but fun.
Avp R: made me want to eat a pile of elephant crap.
That more or less sums up my view of the series. Except I think A:R was an okay film, if viewing it solely as a film, not as an Alien one. It was a bit less than mediocre.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 26, 2010, 12:02:01 AM
That more or less sums up my view of the series. Except I think A:R was an okay film, if viewing it solely as a film, not as an Alien one. It was a bit less than mediocre.
But, I can't do that! It doesn't make any sense to me if I try to think of it as a sole film.
I can separate my film-loving self from my Alien-loving self. It helped me when I watched A:R. It helped a lot.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Dec 12, 2009, 09:59:11 PM
I watch it less...in fact, last time I saw Alien was May. I don't watch it often because I don't want it to lose its cinematic value.
Same here.
I mean other people can watch it over and over. More power to them. But I just can't.
I voted Alien 3, though I love them all equally, and some for different reasons.
Alien 3, Aliens, Alien, Alien Res...thats the order I'd put them in.
I just really liked the dark gothic look of Alien 3, and how Fincher experimented with the camera, the colour pallet, the score, everything. Its a very underated movie.
But like I said, its very hard to choose a favourite as I loved them all, yes, even Ressurection.
I can understand why people like Alien3, but it simply didn't do it for me. None of the characters were very well-developed, with the exception of Ripley, and it was really hard to tell them apart. Almost all of them were bald, white, British guys. The story didn't really drag me in, either. Granted, this film did have its moments, but overall it just wasn't that good. They also killed Hicks and Bishop! They couldn't even give Hicks the dignity of an onscreen death.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jan 31, 2010, 07:06:20 PM
I can understand why people like Alien3, but it simply didn't do it for me. None of the characters were very well-developed, with the exception of Ripley, and it was really hard to tell them apart. Almost all of them were bald, white, British guys. The story didn't really drag me in, either. Granted, this film did have its moments, but overall it just wasn't that good. They also killed Hicks and Bishop! They couldn't even give Hicks the dignity of an onscreen death.
But that's the beauty of the movie. It show how ruthless the Alien is even when it is not directly killing people. Nothing can escape it... except Jones. :P
Ah, yes. Jonesy the supercat.
I laugh at everytime ppl mention or complain about the fact the entire cast was made out of british actors for Alien 3 lol
aliens is not just my favorite alien movie; its my favorite movie of all time.
Quote from: RubberChickenMan on Feb 01, 2010, 10:24:19 AM
aliens is not just my favorite alien movie; its my favorite movie of all time.
For me, Aliens is my
favorite movie of all time, but it isn't the
best movie I've ever seen. :o
Quote from: muse_manic on Feb 01, 2010, 01:19:49 AM
I laugh at everytime ppl mention or complain about the fact the entire cast was made out of british actors for Alien 3 lol
I'm not complaining that they were British. I actually like British actors. It's just that none of them were distinct in any way. The only one I could tell apart was this guy:
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and that's because I had seen him in other films.
Most notably, The Lost World: Jurassic Park
Yeah, that's how I recognized him.
Quote from: First Blood on Feb 01, 2010, 11:08:37 PM
Most notably, The Lost World: Jurassic Park
And Dragonheart.
Gilbert!!! :D
Loved Alien the most. Thought the Xenomorph was most terrifying in the original... because it didn't die until the end. In Aliens, they die all over the place. The first one seemed to be more... untouchable. Like a wraith.
Exactly; its just terror incarnate.
Or, because in Aliens, the means to kill the creatures were present as opposed to the first film.
That's what made it so much more hopeless and (for me, anyways) more terrifying. They couldn't kill it.
My fav alien movies are Aliens and Alien Resurrection.We all know why ALiens is fav for most of the people but I like Resurrection too.Its kinda epic doomed to death part of the movies.This quote is so great and epic for me
QuoteDoes it grow?
Yeah.
Very rapidly.
It's a queen.
How did you know that?
She'll breed. You'll die.
Everyone in the Company
will die.
Dont you think so? And the soundtrack is great too,its heavy,hopeless,dark soundtrack.Aliens looks perfect,with the slime.Scene with the mad scientist and the big bad alien in the cage is so beautiful for me.I dont know why poeple doesn't like this movie ??? I like it more than Alien3 :-\
This is my order aliens, alien3, alien, and then alien resurection
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 07, 2010, 04:56:12 PM
Or, because in Aliens, the means to kill the creatures were present as opposed to the first film.
Yes, which took away a big part of the first movie. As SpaceMarines said, the increasing despair of the situation and desperate attempts to kill the horror really made it for me.
QuoteDont you think so? And the soundtrack is great too,its heavy,hopeless,dark soundtrack.Aliens looks perfect,with the slime.Scene with the mad scientist and the big bad alien in the cage is so beautiful for me.I dont know why poeple doesn't like this movie ??? I like it more than Alien3 :-\
1. Alien design. It's just a bug/insect-like creature. Giger's original design was this biomechanical killer. Even in Aliens, the xenomorphs had biomechanical details on their skin. In Ressurrection, they look like dinosaurs, especially their legs and are no longer frightening.
2. The Newborn is a joke. Plain and simple. Oh, and it has eyes! How could they do this to one of the greatest monsters in movie history?
3. The plot.
4. The jokes. While Johner has some good lines, the rest of the "funny" dialogue is bad. The jokes are so corny. They tried to do the same thing Aliens did, but they failed.
Yea the alien legs are fail but I like these in cage scene as I said before.For me every alien design after the first movie is not frightening actually :| Newborn is so-so,I cant decide if I like it or I hate it.But I think is cool if the queen produce aliens like human,without egg,but standart aliens,not newborns.Then the hell will come to earth :D (or wherever is the nest)
Quote from: DeStefano on Feb 11, 2010, 06:47:48 PM
Yea the alien legs are fail but I like these in cage scene as I said before.For me every alien design after the first movie is not frightening actually :| Newborn is so-so,I cant decide if I like it or I hate it.But I think is cool if the queen produce aliens like human,without egg,but standart aliens,not newborns.Then the hell will come to earth :D (or wherever is the nest)
True. The movie
had good ideas, but the way they used these ideas in the movie weren't something to make them proud of :D
It a shame when you have good ideas, but screw up when shooting the actual movie. In my opinion, Resurrection could have been a lot better, because it had potential to explore the new ways DNA mixing affects the xenomorphs, but... :'(
Quote from: maddriver on Feb 11, 2010, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: DeStefano on Feb 11, 2010, 06:47:48 PM
Yea the alien legs are fail but I like these in cage scene as I said before.For me every alien design after the first movie is not frightening actually :| Newborn is so-so,I cant decide if I like it or I hate it.But I think is cool if the queen produce aliens like human,without egg,but standart aliens,not newborns.Then the hell will come to earth :D (or wherever is the nest)
True. The movie had good ideas, but the way they used these ideas in the movie weren't something to make them proud of :D
It a shame when you have good ideas, but screw up when shooting the actual movie. In my opinion, Resurrection could have been a lot better, because it had potential to explore the new ways DNA mixing affects the xenomorphs, but... :'(
Agreed. AR could have been a great horror film, but instead rushed the great parts and tried to be too much like Aliens.
Quote from: superdeathpredator on Feb 11, 2010, 03:48:40 AM
This is my order aliens, alien3, alien, and then alien resurection
That's my same order. :D
ALIENS...........hands down theeeeeee most badass alien movie on the planet IMO.
Aliens
Resurrection Minus the Melted Candle Man-alien
Alien 3
Alien
- Wolf
Alien and Aliens are about a tie to me, they're good for different reasons. :P
Alien 3
Alien: Resurrection
Quote from: Wolf The Predator on Feb 13, 2010, 06:30:09 AM
Aliens
Resurrection Minus the Melted Candle Man-alien
Alien 3
Alien
- Wolf
:o
Aliens, Alien, Alien Rez , Then Alien3 could never get over her hair. (and when i was watching it. I was texting all the way threw the movie so that might be why.
I am due to watch all four movies (as well as avp and predator movies ) in order this week in anticipation for the new avp game.
Quote from: Navaha on Feb 13, 2010, 01:55:25 PM
Quote from: Wolf The Predator on Feb 13, 2010, 06:30:09 AM
Aliens
Resurrection Minus the Melted Candle Man-alien
Alien 3
Alien
- Wolf
:o
I concur. I would love to see some reasons for that ordering.
Opinion, I imagine would be the first.
I know, but I'd like to see specific reasons. I gave them for why I like Alien the most; I'd like to see the reasons he likes it the least.
Probably found it boring. At first, I wasn't too keen on it because I found it too slow.
A friend of mine has just seen all the Alien films for the first time, and yeah, he found Alien to be boring as well. Naturally, he really enjoyed Aliens, enjoyed Alien Cubed "for the most part" but preferred Resurrection over it since he liked its characters more.
Understandable I suppose, but I'd be interested to see if his views change over time. I don't think he's seen A3's assembly cut yet, so that might have an impact (it certainly did for me).
Alien Cubed? whats that one? and for me it be Alien loved the creepy feel it had to it, scared crap out of me. Still does today sometimes lol
Lol, note the 3. ;)
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AlienxAlienxAlien?
Exactly. 8)
That would be Alien squared times more awesome than Alien!
Here is my order,Aliens,Alien,Alien Res,Alien 3.
This is really hard because I love the first 3 movies and I even think Resurrection is quite good apart from its ending which really ruins the movie.
I'll give them ratings so you can see just how much i like them in comparison to each other.
Aliens (SE) - 9 (I just bloody love it)
Alien 3 (Assembly Cut) - 8.5 ( I enjoy this almost as much as Aliens but I think Aliens deserves to just pip it)
Alien - 8 (Again theres not much in it for me with the first 3 films in all honesty)
Alien Resurrection - 6 (Starts off well enough and there some great set pieces but the ending ruins it)
Out of interest I would rate the following
AVP - 6.5 (although its complete tosh, its enjoyable tosh and I prefer to watch this over A:R)
AVPR - 4 (I can still watch it and enjoy it for what it is but in context as part of the series its awful)
Predator - 9 (I think its on a par with Aliens)
Predator 2 - 7 (I think it starts badly but gains momentum and redeems itself, the opposite of A:R in a way)
Predators - ? (who knows. im on the fence with this one wether its gonna be a turkey or not)
Ok, here is my list.
The first place goes to alien and aliens.
I cant choose between one of them and they are just to hard to compare, i cant compare a action movie to a horror movie. However, both are masterpieces without flaws.
The next one is an easy pick: Alien Ressurection.
Why? Well, at first i like how the aliens in this movie are fully developed personalities, i truly believe that THIS is the movie which formed the aliens to the thing was they are today. I believe that the aliens are the main characters in this movie. And Ripley, of course. I like the emotinal tention between the aliens and ripley and how it gets somehow emotinal when the newborn dies. However, it has many flaws: At first, its disgusting as hell, most of the script is lame, the human characters are not interesting and the clone idea is somehow weird. Also, it doesnt help that the aliens look like mutated dinosaurs. But, i think its a 6/10 movie.
At the last place comes Alien 3. I hate this movie. I dont like anything about it. The special effects are weak as hell, the script is a pure joke, it completely destroys the point of "aliens" and my toilet has better developed characters. The alien itself is a joke and the violence doesnt save anything, it just makes it worse.
Aliens all the way...but i still love all the other movies
Aliens for me. Alien and Alien resurrection was good. The only thing about Alien Resurrection that I don't like was the Newborn killing the Queen :-\
I still can't decide to this day. I love the original trilogy all the same, all on their own merits.
Mine will always be Alien. The most artistic of the four, and the most intense.
Nothing beats a movie that can startle you with a computer turning on. :D
Pah! Try Drag Me To Hell. The goddamn title in that was startling!
As I was saying, nothing beats a movie that can startle, even scare you, with a computer turning on.
Startling Title > Startling Computer :P
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Oh.
So that's why you took so long to respond...
Yep. :D
Either Aliens or Alien 3 for me.
Is and always will be Alien 3.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Mar 14, 2010, 08:19:07 PM
As I was saying, nothing beats a movie that can startle, even scare you, with a computer turning on.
Bingo. I laugh at myself everytime it happens.
Can you imagine what Aliens would have been like without Hicks
The same with a different leading man?
Zing!
Alien Resurrection. Three reasons.
1) I'm a scientist
2) I loved the colouration of the ship. A sickly colour, reflecting the experiments.
3) It was the biggest Psychological horror of them all.
In order the saga would be
-Aliens
-Alien
-Alien: Resurrection
-Alien3
I love them all though!
I must agree, Alien Resurrection is better than people make it out to be.
But my order would be:
Aliens
Alien3/Alien (can't decide)
Alien Resurrection
Alien was the best by far. Was the only one that actually scared me. And had the best suspense and plot out of all of them.
Alien 3
Alien
Aliens
Alien: Ressurection
Quote from: HitmonTom on Mar 16, 2010, 09:59:41 PM
Alien was the best by far. Was the only one that actually scared me. And had the best suspense and plot out of all of them.
This. :D
I think I can honestly say I like the first 3 equally as if they were all one long film....
But if I had to narrow it done I'd say the 1st the 3rd and the 2nd.
But I cant say I like 3 MORE than 2 because 3 doesn't make sense unless you see 2 so....
A:R has some brilliant classic moments but it's poorly put together. The comedy, the production, the casting, a lot of the dialogue is intentionally cheesy...and I hate how much they show the monster.
1st - Alien 3 Assembly Cut
2nd - Aliens Director Cut
3rd - Alien Directors cut
The ONLY bad thing about the A:3 assembly cut is no queen burster. :(
Quote from: The Hyena on Mar 16, 2010, 04:17:25 PM
Alien Resurrection. Three reasons.
1) I'm a scientist
Am I the only one who finds this funny?
It's like choosing between kids with Alien v.s. Aliens. Alien for the claustrophobic, gothic horror ... Aliens for the terror based sci-fi action thriller. I choose Aliens for the sheer combo of balls to the wall fun, with great characters, and still that creepy atmosphere of the original ... only amplified by an entire HIVE of Aliens.
Choose my the successful kid and sell the other.
I like Aliens because Ilike watching movies with human soldiers fighting against extraterrestrials.
Quote from: Mus on Mar 19, 2010, 08:46:28 PM
Quote from: The Hyena on Mar 16, 2010, 04:17:25 PM
Alien Resurrection. Three reasons.
1) I'm a scientist
Am I the only one who finds this funny?
Yes. yes you are. :)
I fell asleep watching Aliens for some reason...sooooo...yeah.
Alien
Aliens
Alien3
Alien Resurrection
Basically the order they came out.
Alien
Alien Resurrection
Aliens
Alien 3
Quote from: Mus on Mar 19, 2010, 08:46:28 PM
Quote from: The Hyena on Mar 16, 2010, 04:17:25 PM
Alien Resurrection. Three reasons.
1) I'm a scientist
Am I the only one who finds this funny?
What's funny about it?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 06:28:51 AM
Quote from: Mus on Mar 19, 2010, 08:46:28 PM
Quote from: The Hyena on Mar 16, 2010, 04:17:25 PM
Alien Resurrection. Three reasons.
1) I'm a scientist
Am I the only one who finds this funny?
What's funny about it?
Any self-respecting scientist would snort and huff at and generally ridicule Resurrection, because the ''science'' in that movie was wonky as all hell.
It was very believable in parts (the only part I still don't understand is how they cloned Ripley 200 years later).
From blood taken from Fury 161.
I know ;D but the blood is still there 200 years later? That's what bugs me.
No. I think they just hadn't developed the cloning technology yet. They probably kept it in storage until they had perfected the science.
Quote from: The Hyena on Mar 16, 2010, 04:17:25 PM
Alien Resurrection. Three reasons.
1) I'm a scientist
2) I loved the colouration of the ship. A sickly colour, reflecting the experiments.
3) It was the biggest Psychological horror of them all.
Resurrection was a joke of a movie that should not of been made in my opinion. I think Ripley's demise after she dropped herself in the furnace would of been a great ending to the Alien franchise. The 4th installment was filled with bad acting, terrible plot, cheesy characters, and overdose of gore, and don't get me started on Winona Ryder, she stuck out like a very sore thumb!
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 30, 2010, 09:08:01 PM
I know ;D but the blood is still there 200 years later? That's what bugs me.
Yup. DNA can last for quite some time if it's stored properly. And given the film was way into the future, it's possible they have new ways of preserving the stuff.
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on Mar 30, 2010, 02:39:45 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 29, 2010, 06:28:51 AM
Quote from: Mus on Mar 19, 2010, 08:46:28 PM
Quote from: The Hyena on Mar 16, 2010, 04:17:25 PM
Alien Resurrection. Three reasons.
1) I'm a scientist
Am I the only one who finds this funny?
What's funny about it?
Any self-respecting scientist would snort and huff at and generally ridicule Resurrection, because the ''science'' in that movie was wonky as all hell.
That's not really what I mean, I just find the statement humorous. It's like me saying I like Alien because I'm a trucker. I get how interest in science would correlate to enjoying the science aspects in A:R but that sentence just looks cute by itself. :3
QuoteAny self-respecting scientist would snort and huff at and generally ridicule Resurrection, because the ''science'' in that movie was wonky as all hell.
And anyone with half a brain would snort and huff at anyone who pretended the other films were any different.
Unless they were snorting and huffing glue.
Quote from: Xenostalker on Mar 31, 2010, 08:14:08 AM
Quote from: The Hyena on Mar 16, 2010, 04:17:25 PM
Alien Resurrection. Three reasons.
1) I'm a scientist
2) I loved the colouration of the ship. A sickly colour, reflecting the experiments.
3) It was the biggest Psychological horror of them all.
Resurrection was a joke of a movie that should not of been made in my opinion. I think Ripley's demise after she dropped herself in the furnace would of been a great ending to the Alien franchise. The 4th installment was filled with bad acting, terrible plot, cheesy characters, and overdose of gore, and don't get me started on Winona Ryder, she stuck out like a very sore thumb!
The sacrifice of Ripley in Alien 3 is truly heroic act, and is one of my favorite scenes of the franchise. But the franchise's true ending should've been the very last scene of Aliens. Period. The rest is moot.
Alien / Aliens. Interchangable for me. There are both such different styles of cinema, yet both concepts are both so strong. Aliens is very different from the claustrophobic horror of the original, and instead replaces it with spacious terror through sheer numbers of the creatures. Aliens built so strongly off the first film, does its own thing while honoring the concepts of the first movie and even the beats and guidlines of the first film. Alien is just pure sheer horror. It's the epitome of sci fi horror. But Aliens is this dark, twisted action epic. I think the sequel is more fun, but the first is very frightening. I voted for Aliens sheerly because at the end of the day I can watch it anytime and be entertained, as opposed to having to be in the mood to watch Alien.
Who cares if that person likes A:R I found it as watchable as Aliens.
For me ( i've probably done this a while ago. ) it goes:
Alien 3
Alien
Aliens
A:R ( it was close.)
I honestly don't like A:R or Aliens really.
Alien
Alien 3
Aliens
Alien: Resurrection
For me, my favorite Alien movie has to be the first one.
Aliens
ALIEN/ALIENS
Then, Alien3 assembly cut.
There are no other Alien films for me.
Aliens or Alien3
aliens
alien
alien resurrection
Alien 3 (for Gothic horror and a dreadful ending).
Alien (For production design,the combining of terror with sexuality).
Alien resurrection ( For Fun with the french)
Aliens ( I admire James Cameron, Avatar, Titanic, But even my favorite of his films The Terminator is a rip of of Harlan Ellison and the Grandfather paradox. ALIENS is a ripoff of Robert A. Heinlein's novel, Starship Troopers.
Fun with the French? The director was French, but it had no bearing on the film.
Well other than his more European style being stamped on the flick.
And how is Aliens a "rip off" of Starship Troopers? It's been a while since I read it, but it didn't strike at all to be like Aliens in terms of the plot.
It drew inspiration from Starship Troopers. If your calling it a rip, you might as well call it a rip of The Forever War as well.
Quote from: botched on May 02, 2010, 09:19:42 PM
Aliens ( I admire James Cameron, Avatar, Titanic, But even my favorite of his films The Terminator is a rip of of Harlan Ellison and the Grandfather paradox. ALIENS is a ripoff of Robert A. Heinlein's novel, Starship Troopers.
The Terminator shares 3 similarities with an Ellison story: 1) future warriors, 2) time travel, 3) appearance in an alley after travelling through time. That's it. AI, human resistances, future saviours, predestination paradox, the importance of one life, etc. all absent in Ellison's 'Soldier'. Contrary to 'net talk, Cameron never went to court over The Terminator. Ellison threatened to sue, and Orion Pictures balked and gave him a credit, which Cameron has contested to this day. Ellison did not invent sci-fi, time travel stories, or future warriors. The paradox in T1 is 'predestination,' not 'grandfather'. http://www.jamescamerononline.com/Ellison.htm
Aliens and Starship Troopers, ST was used as a manual for how space marines would act. I think some people think of the ST movie whenever it's mentioned, despite the decade between both movies. Aliens is no more a ST ripoff than Alien is a ripoff of numerous 50's alien movies. Both Alien and Aliens surpass their influences.
Aliens
Alien3
Alien ans Alien resurrection the same.
Quote from: bleau on May 04, 2010, 07:03:55 AM
Aliens
Alien3
Alien ans Alien resurrection the same.
Why did you not like alien? ::)
Because he didn't like it, mayhaps?
Naaah, can't be that.
QuoteIt drew inspiration from Starship Troopers. If your calling it a rip, you might as well call it a rip of The Forever War as well.
Quite. Inspiration is one thing. Calling it a rip off is something else.
You're right. Who am I to suggest he has an opinion :P
Opions rule p.s aliens is best FACT ;)
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 05, 2010, 01:56:12 AM
Because he didn't like it, mayhaps?
I will rephrase my question to, why did you not like it.
Aliens: is the worst film when it comes to production value.
In Alien the miniatures are convincing, the creature is well crafted, and the atmosphere is beautifully creepy.
The Aliens miniatures look like small toys, the creatures are obviously stunt men in pajamas and the environment looks like shit.
I found the visuals quite convincing in Aliens.
Some of the suit and puppet work was beat-end by alien but it is obvious why
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 06, 2010, 09:23:02 PM
I found the visuals quite convincing in Aliens.
So did I. And if we see MAN IN SUITS LOL!!! Remember that, for the love of me, it's damn 1986. Think about AvPR when you want to talk about failed innovation.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on May 07, 2010, 12:03:24 PM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 06, 2010, 09:23:02 PM
I found the visuals quite convincing in Aliens.
So did I. And if we see MAN IN SUITS LOL!!! Remember that, for the love of me, it's damn 1986. Think about AvPR when you want to talk about failed innovation.
Amen!
Quote from: botched on May 06, 2010, 06:20:24 AM
Aliens: is the worst film when it comes to production value.
In Alien the miniatures are convincing, the creature is well crafted, and the atmosphere is beautifully creepy.
The Aliens miniatures look like small toys, the creatures are obviously stunt men in pajamas and the environment looks like shit.
Were you awake during the entire queen sequence?! God!
Queen sequence was pure win!!
I know the only reason I singled the queen sequence out is because there on about the miniatures in aliens
I know. All what regards the Queen was made by pure geniouses. 8)
Quote from: botched on May 06, 2010, 06:20:24 AM
Aliens: is the worst film when it comes to production value.
In Alien the miniatures are convincing, the creature is well crafted, and the atmosphere is beautifully creepy.
The Aliens miniatures look like small toys, the creatures are obviously stunt men in pajamas and the environment looks like shit.
STFU & GTFO
Vulhala, watch it.
Some of the warriors do look bad I'll give him that but the queen was amazing.
I like the films in the order they were made, Alien being a 10/10, Aliens being a 9.5/10, Alien 3 a 6/10 and Alien Resurrection being a 3/10
Welcome to the Galaxy Glazy ;)
He won't last long if he repeats that 6/10 for A3 >:(
Now, now, be nice to the fresh meat- erm, I mean, newcomer. Yes. Newcomer. Heh, heh, heh.
Quote from: Vulhala on May 17, 2010, 12:53:02 PM
He won't last long if he repeats that 6/10 for A3 >:(
I declare him an OUTLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!
Aliens is by far the best movie in the franchise... every minute of that film is pure genious and it remains a nailbiter until the end!
I love how they turned the horror basics from Alien into a fast paced and thrilling action Movie like Aliens.
To be honest, I don't really care much about the rest of the films...
Aliens: 10/10 Alien : 7/10 (but actually only because in that film the alien creature is invented with all it's concepts and ideas behind it...
and the rest well simply have no high opinion on them... In my opinion the Alien franchise should have ended with Aliens... every move afterwords has been worse... and some things that follow are just plainly stupid and make no sense:
Alien 3: Why the hell do you set the film on a planet, where it's impossible to have a little girl (Newt) as a supporting character... and then just killing her off with Hicks straight from the start... come on that's just bullshit! There was so much potential in the Hicks & Newt together with Ripley... it angers me to this day that it was never given any chance......
To be honest, the reason why I hate alien 3 so much, is because it destroyed everything about the end of Cameron's Aliens... You get to sympathize with wonderful characters in Aliens and then slash: in the sequel you're again were you left off after the first movie... su utter crap!!!
and Alien Rez... well 2 things ruin it: Cloned Ripley & Newborn Creature...
As I said in a different thread, Hicks & Newt would have been redundant in A3.
Quote from: Vulhala on May 17, 2010, 01:46:14 PM
As I said in a different thread, Hicks & Newt would have been redundant in A3.
Ripley was redundant in Alien3. Her character was stripped and made odd decisions that didn't seem indicative of the Ripley from the previous two films. She slept with a prisoner right after Newt and Hicks' funeral, despite 1) not actually knowing Clemens, 2) knowing that she was on a prison for murderers, rapists, and child molesters, and that he was a prisoner there. Alien 3 stripped her of her life, but that had already happened in Aliens. She lost her crew mates, her daughter, very likely everyone she ever knew was dead, she also lost her job, her reputation, integrity. Alien 3 puts her in the exact same position as the previous movie. How many times can you wake up with an Alien over you? It becomes redundant, and the diminishing returns begin.
Ripley was an interesting character in A3.
Very independent and strong without being overly boisterous. She asserted herself calmly and confidently, as per the Ripley we already knew. Her grief and shock over losing the only two people she could call friends can account for some of the thing she did, but for all that, she was remarkably well-composed.
In fact, I think A3 has the best characterisation.
As for A2, it was probably the strongest film as a piece of entertainment, but it lacks the depth that make A1 and A3 interesting to watch time after time. There was a lot of cool stuff, but once you've seen that cool stuff, it's done, stick a fork in it.
A2 was really damaging, too, due to the imitators when it came to comics. What was a potentious comic series turned out to be boring, dull and derivative. A2 itself was quality, of course, but its popularity caused it to become the standard for the franchise, rather than the much more interesting A1. A1 is waiting three hours for a prawn curry at a top-notch restaurant. A2 is getting McDonald's at midnight having eaten nothing since you got up at 8am. I sure as f**k enjoyed that McDonald's, make no mistake, but the prawn curry was to die for (and lingered longer).
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 17, 2010, 03:17:04 PM
Ripley was an interesting character in A3.
Very independent and strong without being overly boisterous. She asserted herself calmly and confidently, as per the Ripley we already knew. Her grief and shock over losing the only two people she could call friends can account for some of the thing she did, but for all that, she was remarkably well-composed.
For the emboldened, that Ripley was portrayed in Aliens, the destruction of her life and her conflict with that was resolved. Alien 3 seemed to re-examine that. She was odd, ready to sleep with a potential child molester/murderer/rapist within hours of knowing him, and quite ready to have herself killed before setting after the Alien. I just didn't want to see Ripley again, for me, she was done. Using her again would be to risk redundancy or unnecessary repetition. I would rather have had a new character, something totally fresh.
QuoteAs for A2, it was probably the strongest film as a piece of entertainment, but it lacks the depth that make A1 and A3 interesting to watch time after time. There was a lot of cool stuff, but once you've seen that cool stuff, it's done, stick a fork in it.
That could be subjective, Alex. For me, the mother-daughter dynamic represented by both Ripley/Newt and the Queen and her children, Ripley's arc, the archetypal yet likable marines, the drags of suspense and flashes of action, all keep me going back to Aliens over Alien3, with its blank Alien victims and franchise inconsistencies. Alien 3 looks beautiful and interesting, but it can't drag me for repeat viewings. To aggregate my friends opinions, we all watched Alien3 and it just didn't put any of us through the creepiness, beauty, and horror of Alien, and didn't put us through the suspense, excitement, or terror of Aliens. It was a very subdued affair.
QuoteA2 was really damaging, too, due to the imitators when it came to comics. What was a potentious comic series turned out to be boring, dull and derivative. A2 itself was quality, of course, but its popularity caused it to become the standard for the franchise, rather than the much more interesting A1.
I can't blame a band for their imitators, and can't blame Aliens for its comic series, or the myriad of their writers. It's like saying wet streets cause rain.
QuoteA1 is waiting three hours for a prawn curry at a top-notch restaurant. A2 is getting McDonald's at midnight having eaten nothing since you got up at 8am. I sure as f**k enjoyed that McDonald's, make no mistake, but the prawn curry was to die for (and lingered longer).
I don't like either McD's or prawn curry... Maybe Alien is a steak and Aliens is a takeaway? I love takeaways ;)
I love takeaways ;)
Three major points:
1. Note that, at this point, Ripley hadn't gotten any in over 50 years. She'd also trusted Clemens with her body beforehand.
Besides, imagine not getting any for 50 years. Man.
2. A3 was a character drama with an Alien, essentially. Watching it under that framework makes it a lot more effective. It certainly has its flaws as a monster movie, but of all the films, the characters themselves are the most interesting. Ripley is now a fully-developed character rather than an archetype or an archetype subversion.
3. Prawn curry is incredible, seriously. I am disappoint, you guys.
QuoteA2 was really damaging, too, due to the imitators when it came to comics. What was a potentious comic series turned out to be boring, dull and derivative. A2 itself was quality, of course, but its popularity caused it to become the standard for the franchise, rather than the much more interesting A1. A1 is waiting three hours for a prawn curry at a top-notch restaurant. A2 is getting McDonald's at midnight having eaten nothing since you got up at 8am. I sure as f**k enjoyed that McDonald's, make no mistake, but the prawn curry was to die for (and lingered longer).
This argument is so far fetched... do you seriously want to blame a movie for it's cheap spin offs? It just goes to proof the unique kind of a movie if everybody wants to recreate that feel.
If you would apply this argument to every film, we might as well simply say that movies like Star Wars, Predator, ... are damaging because of the cheap imitations... yeah right -.-
as for the characterisation of Ripley in A3: What characterisations?! I agree with Valaquen here, she's just a totally different person and Aliens was just for an ass... she could have simply gone into hybersleep in Alien and immediately crash and find herself in the situation of Alien 3 without Aliens ever happening... wouldn't be a bad idea if Aliens was a bad movie... but it wasn't!!! It was a great masterpiece and there was no need to throw away the human identity and kill the supporting characters... well yeah Newt and Hicks would have been redundant on a prison planet full of killers and rapists... I know that! But then just don't set it on this planet, make a different story or simply (for me the best solution) just don't touch the franchise anymore...
The continuity was totally broken after Aliens. Breaking continuity is not a bad thing if you simply go into a totally different direction (e.g. Pred 1 and Pred 2) but to sell it as a continuous story and use the same protagonist but killing everyone around him that gave him personality is senseless and for me irritating.
I don't mean to insult anybody who likes Alien 3 after all it's not a bad movie in it self! But for me it was the beginning of the end and destroyed the franchise...
Thing is, you kinda can blame A2 for its spin-offs since it presented a direction that was so far removed from its predecessor that those imitations could've never been inspired by A1. Like it or not, A2 is essentially a major aspect of the EU material that sucked so hard and the reason AvP has been luckluster except for the games. Not that I factor that into criticism of the film itself, but in terms of its franchise context, yeah, it was damaging thematically. There's absolutely no denying that.
As for Ripley, the loss she had at the beginning of A3 characterised her further than the previous films did. In A1, she was a middle-class, attractive white woman with a daughter (that we didn't know of, mind) and a steady job that apparently payed well enough. In A2, she was working-class, considered psychotic and had unresolved maternal issues. In A3, she had nothing to lose -- and yet still felt the desire to protect others from the Alien. When A3 rolls around, Ripley isn't just protecting herself or trying to put her daemons to rest. She goes out of her way and puts herself in danger to save the rest of humanity, beginning with lowlife scum that chose to do the wrong thing.
That is heroic. She frees herself from material and personal trappings to think of the bigger picture and does it with style. A sort of Messianic figure that sacrifices herself amongst sinners to redeem mankind from the mistakes it makes even as the Queen is ready to emerge.
When Ripley throws herself into the fire at the end of A3, she doesn't need a substitute daughter to justify heroism, she doesn't need an alpha-male to enable her warrior-spirit. She simply is a courageous hero in the most classic sense, except we've seen her development to this point and so it's justified.
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 17, 2010, 04:04:17 PM
Three major points:
1. Note that, at this point, Ripley hadn't gotten any in over 50 years. She'd also trusted Clemens with her body beforehand.
Well, she was unconscious, wasn't she?
QuoteBesides, imagine not getting any for 50 years. Man.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1075289/No-sex-secret-long-life-says-105-year-old-Clara-Britains-oldest-virgin.html
:o
Quote2. A3 was a character drama with an Alien, essentially. Watching it under that framework makes it a lot more effective. It certainly has its flaws as a monster movie, but of all the films, the characters themselves are the most interesting. Ripley is now a fully-developed character rather than an archetype or an archetype subversion.
It's probably subjectivity on our parts. Alien definitely had the most natural characters, wonderfully portrayed. In A3 I liked Dillon, Golic was mad, and err, Morse was good too. Clemens was wasted and rest were anonymous to me. With Alien and Aliens, I liked everyone, or at least knew their names.
Quote3. Prawn curry is incredible, seriously. I am disappoint, you guys.
Okay, I'll bite, I've never even tasted prawn curry :P
Quote from: Tangakkai on May 17, 2010, 04:05:20 PM
I don't mean to insult anybody who likes Alien 3 after all it's not a bad movie in it self! But for me it was the beginning of the end and destroyed the franchise...
I can watch Alien 3, assembly cut, and enjoy it, unlike my friends, but I just think that it could and should have been
more. I dunno... an Alien rom-com? :P Of the respected movies (Alien, Aliens, Alien3) it's the most inconsistent, to my eyes.
QuoteIn A3, she had nothing to lose -- and yet still felt the desire to protect others from the Alien. When A3 rolls around, Ripley isn't just protecting herself or trying to put her daemons to rest. She goes out of her way and puts herself in danger to save the rest of humanity, beginning with lowlife scum that chose to do the wrong thing.
That is heroic. She frees herself from material and personal trappings to think of the bigger picture and does it with style. A sort of Messianic figure that sacrifices herself amongst sinners to redeem mankind from the mistakes it makes even as the Queen is ready to emerge.
When Ripley throws herself into the fire at the end of A3, she doesn't need a substitute daughter to justify heroism, she doesn't need an alpha-male to enable her warrior-spirit. She simply is a courageous hero in the most classic sense, except we've seen her development to this point and so it's justified.
There was a point when she discovered she was infected with an Alien, and her response was to kill herself. Understandable, but I got the feeling that she was suckered into helping the prisoners. I don't think she was guaranteed to have her life saved by WY, Bishop II messed that up, "think of what we could learn from it!" Revealed his intentions there. In the end, she had a choice: wait for the Alien to pop out and kill her, let WY remove the Alien and dispose of her, or kill herself and destroy the Xeno. Not really a sacrifice when she had nothing to gain. If WY had legitimately offered her survival, then I could see it as being more and truly heroic. With her development, I think Ripley at the end of Alien would have committed the same act, A3 didn't build that character, it took a step back on her then put her where she started. For me, it was a retread, I can see where some people can appreciate that, it's just that I didn't. Thankfully, with the new Alien movie, there'll be no Ripley.
Thing is, WY probably could've legitimately saved her.
Once she's free of the Alien inside her, why kill her? No-one will believe her bullshit about an 8-foot-tall space vampire that has acid for blood and is generally unpleasant.
She's also putting herself on the line before she finds out about the Alien, if I remember correctly. Finding it only increased her desperation and the haste with which she decided to act; it didn't actually influence what she did until the very end.
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 17, 2010, 04:35:16 PM
Thing is, WY probably could've legitimately saved her.
Once she's free of the Alien inside her, why kill her? No-one will believe her bullshit about an 8-foot-tall space vampire that has acid for blood and is generally unpleasant.
She's also putting herself on the line before she finds out about the Alien, if I remember correctly. Finding it only increased her desperation and the haste with which she decided to act; it didn't actually influence what she did until the very end.
They could've, but I don't think they
would've. Why bother stitching her up and sending her home? They're very black ops regarding the Xeno and she's a liability. Since we don't know what the outcome may have been, I suppose it's moot.
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on May 17, 2010, 01:40:37 PM
Quote from: Vulhala on May 17, 2010, 12:53:02 PM
He won't last long if he repeats that 6/10 for A3 >:(
I declare him an OUTLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!
And there was me thinking I was being generous !!! :)
Quote from: MadassAlex on May 17, 2010, 04:17:31 PM
A sort of Messianic figure that sacrifices herself amongst sinners to redeem mankind from the mistakes it makes even as the Queen is ready to emerge.
You make Ripley sound like some sort of female Jesus. Anyway, my order goes as follows.
Alien 3
Alien
Aliens
Alien ResurrectionNow, I would like to say something in defense of
Alien 3. Many people seem to think it ruined the ending of
Aliens, and that the
Aliens ending was a perfect way to end the franchise.
The
Alien franchise is about spider crabs that attach to faces, breed by ripping out of someone's chest, is indiscriminate in killing men, women, and children, and whose adult form is an eight foot tall psycho-sexual space monster with a
penis for a head.
I want you to say, with a straight face, that a family dynamic going home in what amounts to a happily ever after is a fitting end to a series about what I listed above.
Alien 3 fixed the mistake. It brought us back to the franchise, killing off the happiness moments in and giving us a bittersweet and somewhat cruel end to the franchise.
Alien 3 fixed the mistake of
Aliens. It gave us an ending to the
Alien franchise, not something that seems to belong in a completely series.
And before I get flamed, I absolutely adored
Aliens. It just wasn't a fitting end.
QuoteYou make Ripley sound like some sort of female Jesus.
That was the intention.
QuoteThey could've, but I don't think they would've. Why bother stitching her up and sending her home?
More first hand knowledge about the creature than anyone, ever. I doubt they would've sent her home, but they would've kept her alive for as long as it served their needs.
Alien isa little better than aliens while aliens is alot better than alien 3, but alien 3 is still good, a good trilogy
Aliens. Abosolutely fantastic, it had me scared.
Quote from: Drago-Morph on May 23, 2010, 11:32:20 PM
And before I get flamed, I absolutely adored Aliens. It just wasn't a fitting end.
Which is interesting because Alien and Aliens have identical type of an ending visually and storywise. The story didnt conclude on a positive note - how would it when people are dead and the woman just survived a nightmare - it concluded on semi positive note. The only difference is that this time it had a full resolution to the story, not to an episode. The main character survived. Its like getting burned and being happy that the burns werent life threatening. Its NOT a happy situation. Its a better thing in a horrible situation, not a happy ending. happy ending would be not getting burned or hurt
Both movies end with the same shot. The main character/s survive. Its a bittersweet ending. In Aliens, we get two survivors (who lost their families and everyone they knew btw) and two terribly hurt, barely-survivors, all of whom barely escaped loosing almost everyone else. And wheres the rest of the crew of close to 20? Where are the saved colonists? Where are the marines that happily made it alive? There arent any, because everyone just got wasted by aliens and those who survived are either ripped in half or barely alive and scarred. Only the main-est characters survived safe from a physical standpoint - like in Alien.
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I've said it many a time but Alien 3 is the best ending to the series. In Aliens it left us wondering a whats going to happen next?
While I approve of that feeling I think the Alien series deserved an ending. If we left off with Aliens we still have Weyalnd and Yutani to deal with.
I think Alien 3 did a wonderful job with the ending. Also I can remember the characters of Alien 3 as well as I do those of Alien and Aliens.
Aliens is about Ripley and Newt - their ending is happy one all things considered. Hicks and Bishop have no arc to speak of and are there to support and (supposedly) work against Ripley.
It was a happily ever after ending ( for now ) but it left me wondering " What about Weyland - Yutani?" and Alien 3 was a good ending.
I think many people's gripes with Alien 3 is that it killed off Newt and Hicks and to a lesser degree Bishop. I don't see this as a problem though.
Quote from: SM on May 27, 2010, 11:07:36 PM
Aliens is about Ripley and Newt - their ending is happy one all things considered.
Same can be said about Ripley in Alien. She survived and got the happily ever after treatment (that is when not considering the trauma she mightve experienced after the event but I think its safe to assume the writers didnt think of that)
Quote from: The PredBen on May 27, 2010, 11:16:59 PM
It was a happily ever after ending ( for now ) but it left me wondering " What about Weyland - Yutani?" and Alien 3 was a good ending.
I think many people's gripes with Alien 3 is that it killed off Newt and Hicks and to a lesser degree Bishop. I don't see this as a problem though.
Didnt bother me either. It was a great device in the story and their deaths served it very well, even tho I loved the characters. Rest of the movie was based on what happened in the beginning. Ripley basically got life sucked out of her and became almost a zombie. It affected the way she was thinking and acting. But thats a different topic.
Both Aliens and Alien 3 had more than satisfactory endings imo. Both sealed the deal.
My main problem with Alien3 is the pacing and the way the scenes just don't seem to flow smoothly from one to the other. I still enjoy the film (I'd give it about 6 to a 6.5/10), but those problems are simply too much to overcome.
QuoteSame can be said about Ripley in Alien. She survived and got the happily ever after treatment (that is when not considering the trauma she mightve experienced after the event but I think its safe to assume the writers didnt think of that)
Simply living longer than the Alien was enough for for the first film. Aliens dealt the psychological scars, which were essentially healed (a bit too neatly) by the end.
Quote from: SM on May 28, 2010, 04:06:37 AM
QuoteSame can be said about Ripley in Alien. She survived and got the happily ever after treatment (that is when not considering the trauma she mightve experienced after the event but I think its safe to assume the writers didnt think of that)
Simply living longer than the Alien was enough for for the first film. Aliens dealt the psychological scars, which were essentially healed (a bit too neatly) by the end.
Well I dont see it. I mean, the movie got a resolution in the end. One for the danger of the alien species and one for the theme of the psychologically scared Ripley. The resolution is that she overcame her fear and found someone to live for. I dont think its too much of a happy ending, its simply a resolution to the story. Newt's family and all the colonists are still dead and so is almost the entire crew of Sulaco
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 28, 2010, 04:04:08 AM
My main problem with Alien3 is the pacing and the way the scenes just don't seem to flow smoothly from one to the other. I still enjoy the film (I'd give it about 6 to a 6.5/10), but those problems are simply too much to overcome.
I like the pacing. The movie leans very much towards a straight forward drama in the beginning which is good because you get to know the characters more (Clemens) and you see Ripley's awkward evolution after the accident that killed the others. You also see bonding between her and Clemens and the sorry lives of the scumbags that lived on Fury. I think the movie pull you in so much into Ripley's sad turnaround that when alien appears its really more of a side thing than the main or one of the main elements of the movie. Its an extra danger, but the real and main issue here is Ripley's tragedy. I enjoy it for what it is - a signature Fincher movie, which is a drama thriller
I think the slight shock and change in the feel from the other two movies is caused by the fact that this movie doesnt rely on tension or suspense or horror like the other movies. Its very relaxed, very downbeat and slow. It relies more on our reflections, thinking and pathos
To each their own. I'm not saying it's bad by any means, simply mediocre to kinda good at best. But again, simply my opinion.
The Sulaco crew are really neither here nor there since they had no proper connection with the protagonists. Ripley and Newt are each others salvation. They 'can both dream'. Ergo happy ending. And "happy ending" isn't necesarily a dirty word either.
And the pacing of Alien3 drags a bit in the first half.
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 28, 2010, 04:27:34 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 28, 2010, 04:04:08 AM
My main problem with Alien3 is the pacing and the way the scenes just don't seem to flow smoothly from one to the other. I still enjoy the film (I'd give it about 6 to a 6.5/10), but those problems are simply too much to overcome.
I like the pacing. The movie leans very much towards a straight forward drama in the beginning which is good because you get to know the characters more (Clemens) and you see Ripley's awkward evolution after the accident that killed the others. You also see bonding between her and Clemens and the sorry lives of the scumbags that lived on Fury. I think the movie pull you in so much into Ripley's sad turnaround that when alien appears its really more of a side thing than the main or one of the main elements of the movie. Its an extra danger, but the real and main issue here is Ripley's tragedy. I enjoy it for what it is - a signature Fincher movie, which is a drama thriller
I think the slight shock and change in the feel from the other two movies is caused by the fact that this movie doesnt rely on tension or suspense or horror like the other movies. Its very relaxed, very downbeat and slow. It relies more on our reflections, thinking and pathos
I agree and disagree.I liked the pace and overall flow of the film,it just seemed choppy sometimes and some scenes just didn't mesh well with what preceded it.
I agree its slow in the beginning (excluding the crash - funeral), but like I said, its because it was fleshing out the characters I think. It leaned more towards drama in the beginning and later on introduced the thriller element
The thing is, the character fleshing out didn't really work that well. After my first viewing, the only character name I knew was Ripley. I've now picked up on who Dillon and Clemens are, but none of the other ones stand out for me.
Quote from: SM on May 28, 2010, 04:32:00 AM
They 'can both dream'. Ergo happy ending. And "happy ending" isn't necesarily a dirty word either.
I know. Im just saying its not really different from the original movie's ending like one of the posters claimed and that was my point. It got a resolution to the issue, the character(s) went to sleep with the "happily ever after" and "we made it" tone
QuoteI've now picked up on who Dillon and Clemens are, but none of the other ones stand out for me.
The only other one that needs to stand out is Aaron. Everyone else is Alien fodder.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 28, 2010, 04:39:26 AM
The thing is, the character fleshing out didn't really work that well. After my first viewing, the only character name I knew was Ripley. I've now picked up on who Dillon and Clemens are, but none of the other ones stand out for me.
I dont know. I think Fincher did great in the character department considering the fact that they all looked the same, therefore making the task even harder. I think the characters are quite fleshed out - Dillon, Clemens, Andrews, 85 and Morse
Don't see any particular fleshing out of Andrews and Morse. Maybe Morse in the last few minutes.
What I mean is that they were both very different from each other and very distinctive at the same time
Distinctive, I guess. But since both characters spent most of their screen being loud and angry, not terribly different. If Andrews wasn't the warden, they'd almost be identical.
Why do people seem to hate Alien Ressurection? I watched it, and I loved it! Doesn't beat Aliens, but it comes close. I found the Newborn tragic, especially at the end.
Quote from: Abomination on May 28, 2010, 07:44:09 AM
Why do people seem to hate Alien Ressurection? I watched it, and I loved it! Doesn't beat Aliens, but it comes close. I found the Newborn tragic, especially at the end.
In (very) short:
-its not taking itself seriously
-the Mel brooks humor
-comic book-ish elements that could fit with X-Men, like the superstrong, Holywood tough mutant with superpowers and extra senses ( ::))
-focus is on shooting bad monsters, not on characters (about the only moment is the brief clone room scene, which is ruined anyway by yet another joke in the movie, spoken by Perlman)
-the characters are ridiculously looking and cartoony. They look like circus runaways
-Holywood cheese - the cartoon characters shooting with two guns upside down screaming. Superhero movie all the way
-aliens' mystique and name is ruined. While in other movies they were potrayed as shadowy figures that lure in the dark and are seen only for a split second, here theyre constantly shown full in broad light, and now trapped and trained like puppies
-music
-European style. I dont like French movies and by Jeunet own admission its a European movie with american production
-cinematography. I know the movie is crap but that doesnt mean everything has to be brown
-alien design. I mean Pumpkinhead, cause I havent seen any aliens there. Only Pumpkinheads with heads resembling ladybugs who growl like tigers. Theres no trace of the biomechanical monsters with sexual features like the penis head or vaginas and penises on the torso. Theyre now fleshy, muscular monsters
A:R is not only my most disliked movie with aliens but one of my most disliked movie in general. I even prefer the garbage that AVPR is over this because at least AVPR isnt a half parody with superhumans
QuoteA:R is not only my most disliked movie with aliens but one of my most disliked movie in general. I even prefer the garbage that AVPR is over this because at least AVPR isnt a half parody with superhumans
Alien: Rez at least had decent if not even good acting. Signourney is great and the conflict of her deciding either to be an Alien or a human is something fairly new and fresh to the Alien Series (something it needed desperately after Alien 3). Ron Perlman lifts any movie up because of his unique style of acting. If he has some stupid quotes or scenes i'ts not his fault, he simply does what he is asked to do... and he does that outstandingly!
As far as the comcial elements. Again it brings fresh wind after the monotone Alien 3. It stands out and is unique in it's way. The visual style is as a matter of fact one of the best and would have really suited the franchise if it weren't for the to mammal looking Aliens (I agree with you on that one).
But seriously... AVP:R had nothing... to name that film in the same sentence like any Alien film is a crime...
Yet again, I have to say, I wish that the Alien Franchise would have ended with Cameron's Aliens.
Quote from: Tangakkai on May 28, 2010, 12:06:18 PM
QuoteA:R is not only my most disliked movie with aliens but one of my most disliked movie in general. I even prefer the garbage that AVPR is over this because at least AVPR isnt a half parody with superhumans
Alien: Rez at least had decent if not even good acting. Signourney is great and the conflict of her deciding either to be an Alien or a human is something fairly new and fresh to the Alien Series (something it needed desperately after Alien 3). Ron Perlman lifts any movie up because of his unique style of acting. If he has some stupid quotes or scenes i'ts not his fault, he simply does what he is asked to do... and he does that outstandingly!
As far as the comcial elements. Again it brings fresh wind after the monotone Alien 3. It stands out and is unique in it's way. The visual style is as a matter of fact one of the best and would have really suited the franchise if it weren't for the to mammal looking Aliens (I agree with you on that one).
But seriously... AVP:R had nothing... to name that film in the same sentence like any Alien film is a crime...
Yet again, I have to say, I wish that the Alien Franchise would have ended with Cameron's Aliens.
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so what about good acting?
Oh come on, you would also look like that if you where in a choke-hold :D
Quote from: Tangakkai on May 28, 2010, 12:13:15 PM
Oh come on, you would also look like that if you where in a choke-hold :D
what choke-hold? ;D
Quote from: Basher917 on May 28, 2010, 12:25:21 PM
Quote from: Tangakkai on May 28, 2010, 12:13:15 PM
Oh come on, you would also look like that if you where in a choke-hold :D
what choke-hold? ;D
Okay Okay... you won this round :D
Still I'm gonna stick with this: AVP:Rez acting was lightyears ahead of what we saw in AVP:R ... not that this would be a challenge though... -.-
I mean you must agree that the whole "hired-guns" crew was quite believable... and the sick professor who tries to kiss the alien also had his moments...
Quote from: Tangakkai on May 28, 2010, 12:50:29 PM
AVP:Rez
You sure about that? :)
I didn't hate Resurrection. It was an okay film, the worst of the Alien series, but definitely not a terrible movie.
No, it really was.
"I can get you off. Maybe not the boat..." >_<
Whatever. The only terrible film associated with this site (in my opinion) would be that film.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 29, 2010, 01:04:09 AM
Whatever. The only terrible film associated with this site (in my opinion) would be that film.
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*throws holy water*
THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU! THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!
Quote from: Tangakkai on May 28, 2010, 12:50:29 PM
Quote from: Basher917 on May 28, 2010, 12:25:21 PM
Quote from: Tangakkai on May 28, 2010, 12:13:15 PM
Oh come on, you would also look like that if you where in a choke-hold :D
what choke-hold? ;D
Okay Okay... you won this round :D
Still I'm gonna stick with this: AVP:Rez acting was lightyears ahead of what we saw in AVP:R ... not that this would be a challenge though... -.-
I mean you must agree that the whole "hired-guns" crew was quite believable... and the sick professor who tries to kiss the alien also had his moments...
kiss? that guy whas half insane, he could be trying to mate with it for all we know
Dont get me wrong, Im not saying I like AVPR, im not insane.
Im just saying that an abomination like AVPR even has a slight advantage because at least it tries to be serious and doesnt have superhumans from X-Men, John McClaine and a rock band in it. Not to mention the Pirates of the Carribean in that movie werent afraid at all. Even the gunho marines looked like they saw a ghost the entire time after the first encounter and were sweating from fear and tension. Even the big bad bold rapists and murderers were painting their pants brown once things got dicy. Yet here the tough guys who look like they escaped from a Mad max movie dont seem to care much
Its all everyones preference. I could go on forever about how much I hate A:R but I dont really want to because I dont like discussing something I dislike or dont care for at all. A:R may not be the worst movie ever, but its a terrible ALIEN movie. The same premise would be fantastic (genetic experiments, aliens breaking free in labolatories etc) and could be really horrific but with a different script, approach and a great director that would handle such subject very well, like David Cronenberg for example.
They couldve leave the original beginning with the bug in, that way everyone would know right away how "serious" and intelligent this movie's going to be and I wouldnt have to sit through it in theaters
Quote from: Abomination on May 28, 2010, 07:44:09 AM
Why do people seem to hate Alien Ressurection? I watched it, and I loved it! Doesn't beat Aliens, but it comes close. I found the Newborn tragic, especially at the end.
The newborn was tragic. A tragedy that stopped the Alien series and contributed to a piss poor Alien movie. Laser guns, cloning, human-alien abominations, what the hell?*And please restrain from posting their problems with AVP:R as a response to this post(I am looking at you two SpaceMarine and TJ Doc)
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 28, 2010, 10:01:27 PM
No, it really was.
"I can get you off. Maybe not the boat..." >_<
"People are dying,we need guns."
<3
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on May 29, 2010, 04:59:38 AM
Quote from: Abomination on May 28, 2010, 07:44:09 AM
Why do people seem to hate Alien Ressurection? I watched it, and I loved it! Doesn't beat Aliens, but it comes close. I found the Newborn tragic, especially at the end.
The newborn was tragic. A tragedy that stopped the Alien series and contributed to a piss poor Alien movie. Laser guns, cloning, human-alien abominations, what the hell?*And please restrain from posting their problems with AVP:R as a response to this post(I am looking at you two SpaceMarine and TJ Doc)
Why would I do that? We're discussing Resurrection, not
that film.
Quote from: XenoVC on May 29, 2010, 05:06:08 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 28, 2010, 10:01:27 PM
No, it really was.
"I can get you off. Maybe not the boat..." >_<
"People are dying,we need guns."
<3
Your point being?
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on May 29, 2010, 04:59:38 AM
Quote from: Abomination on May 28, 2010, 07:44:09 AM
Why do people seem to hate Alien Ressurection? I watched it, and I loved it! Doesn't beat Aliens, but it comes close. I found the Newborn tragic, especially at the end.
The newborn was tragic. A tragedy that stopped the Alien series and contributed to a piss poor Alien movie. Laser guns, cloning, human-alien abominations, what the hell?*And please restrain from posting their problems with AVP:R as a response to this post(I am looking at you two SpaceMarine and TJ Doc)
Lasar guns and cloning? Whats wrong with that? It has been 257 years since Ripleys own time, which is distant from ours. Cloning hasn't really gotten perfected yet judging by the 1-7, but could still be a possible thing then. Alien 5 would have been too much IMO.
Quote from: Abomination on May 29, 2010, 06:17:20 AM
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on May 29, 2010, 04:59:38 AM
Quote from: Abomination on May 28, 2010, 07:44:09 AM
Why do people seem to hate Alien Ressurection? I watched it, and I loved it! Doesn't beat Aliens, but it comes close. I found the Newborn tragic, especially at the end.
The newborn was tragic. A tragedy that stopped the Alien series and contributed to a piss poor Alien movie. Laser guns, cloning, human-alien abominations, what the hell?*And please restrain from posting their problems with AVP:R as a response to this post(I am looking at you two SpaceMarine and TJ Doc)
Lasar guns and cloning? Whats wrong with that? It has been 257 years since Ripleys own time, which is distant from ours. Cloning has really gotten perfected yet judging by the 1-7. Alien 5 would have been too much IMO.
It may have a plausible explanation but thats not the point. Alien was also in the future and they couldve give them some teleporting devices, lasers or holograms or other stuff like that. The thing is they didnt.Just because they could doesnt mean they should. And they didnt because they wanted this world to be like ours. A "familiar" scifi. And thats the concept that stayed with the alien series for the first 3 movies. Everything is very blue collar and very used and familair. Giving Ripley superpowers and extra senses, giving others lasers and breath identificators (my god...), cloning etc etc turns it into ...well, something completely different. Again, the filmmakers completely missed the mark and didnt know what Alien series is about
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 29, 2010, 06:24:36 AM
Quote from: Abomination on May 29, 2010, 06:17:20 AM
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on May 29, 2010, 04:59:38 AM
Quote from: Abomination on May 28, 2010, 07:44:09 AM
Why do people seem to hate Alien Ressurection? I watched it, and I loved it! Doesn't beat Aliens, but it comes close. I found the Newborn tragic, especially at the end.
The newborn was tragic. A tragedy that stopped the Alien series and contributed to a piss poor Alien movie. Laser guns, cloning, human-alien abominations, what the hell?*And please restrain from posting their problems with AVP:R as a response to this post(I am looking at you two SpaceMarine and TJ Doc)
Lasar guns and cloning? Whats wrong with that? It has been 257 years since Ripleys own time, which is distant from ours. Cloning has really gotten perfected yet judging by the 1-7. Alien 5 would have been too much IMO.
It may have a plausible explanation but thats not the point. Alien was also in the future and they couldve give them some teleporting devices, lasers or holograms or other stuff like that. The thing is they didnt.Just because they could doesnt mean they should. And they didnt because they wanted this world to be like ours. A "familiar" scifi. And thats the concept that stayed with the alien series for the first 3 movies. Everything is very blue collar and very used and familair. Giving Ripley superpowers and extra senses, giving others lasers and breath identificators (my god...), cloning etc etc turns it into ...well, something completely different. Again, the filmmakers completely missed the mark and didnt know what Alien series is about
Teleports, laser and holograms might have been expensive or they might have been put out to save energy, reserves. The Ellen Ripley "superpower" thing, I always figured to be a cloning side effect or some connection with the queen.
Alien: Rez felt more "alien" then Alien 3, IMO.
Well, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. The first 3 alien movies were about Ripley first, Aliens and Alien 3 more specifically. From A:R on it was just about blasting big, fleshy monsters
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 29, 2010, 06:37:15 AM
Well, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. The first 3 alien movies were about Ripley first, Aliens and Alien 3 more specifically. From A:R on it was just about blasting big, fleshy monsters
I can agree with the last part, specially AVP:R.
Quote from: Abomination on May 29, 2010, 06:30:57 AM
Alien: Rez felt more "alien" then Alien 3, IMO.
I second this.
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 29, 2010, 06:37:15 AM
Well, we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. The first 3 alien movies were about Ripley first, Aliens and Alien 3 more specifically. From A:R on it was just about blasting big, fleshy monsters
I'd say from AvP. Resurrection was 90% about Ripley, especially if you watch the extended cut.
her is my list.
1.alien
2.alien 3
3.aliens
4.aliens resurrection
aliens is for me so low because the alien warriors are so small, and really move like stuntman in creature suits, the thing i really like from aliens are the queen and the nest, and thats it for me.
don't get me wrong i like the movie but for a alien movie it just doesn't do it for me, same thing with alien resurrection.
alien and alien 3 really have the good admosphere( sorry for my english), with just one alien in a closed place and that is the way i want to see a alien movie.
JB
The Aliens in Aliens are quite tall, as evidenced when one jumps Burke, or the Alien that grabs Dietrich, or by looking at the stunt puppets:
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Seems to match up with:
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Problem is, whilst the stunt Aliens are big, for the suited Aliens they didn't have 7 foot tall stuntmen like Bolaji, so we never see them in scale compared to the actors like we do in Alien. I guess you have to suspend your disbelief a little, but the Warriors weren't intended to be smaller.
never saw that :D,
but i think than the thing i really hate is there movement, there are just a few scenes were you really believe it is a alien and not a guy in suit. Like the scene in the sewer with newt
JB
Quote from: creature creator on May 29, 2010, 02:47:59 PM
never saw that :D,
but i think than the thing i really hate is there movement, there are just a few scenes were you really believe it is a alien and not a guy in suit. Like the scene in the sewer with newt
JB
I dunno, I feel the same for Alien
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But it's just limitations of the time, eh 8) You're right that this is awesome:
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Quote from: Valaquen on May 29, 2010, 04:16:58 PM
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'Cause Tummy ache hurts.
Wow, the dome looks so freaking transparent in that pic :o
Quote from: creature creator on May 29, 2010, 12:33:32 PM
aliens is for me so low because the alien warriors are so small, and really move like stuntman in creature suits
1. Thats a weird way of judging a movie by the look of the monster instead of the quality of the script, tension, characters and music.
2. That statement is false. Alien warriors are taller and skinnier than Giger's. Im assuming youre talking about the stunt suits which for me is ludicrous. You cant pick the look thats not to be seen and is used for stunt scenes over the intended and proper look and designs. Like Valaquen already posted, the warrior was taller and skinnier than the one from the first movie, continuing Ridely's concept for the inhumanly tall and skinny creature.
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The only time we see stuntsuits in Aliens is during the Operations attack for 2 frames which is 2/3 of a second if you freeze frame when the strobe light flashes. Aside from Newt scene, you never see them placed next to a person and only see their shadows since Aliens is the movie that shows the least of the alien so the accusations of them being tall are false. Theyre not. As evidenced by fully sculpted hero puppets, theyre taller. And the only time we get a good look at the warrior in Aliens is in the first nest scene when one gets blasted by Vasquez and when one opens APC. And those are the puppets representing the actual look of the warrior. Same goes for Alien. We see the stuntmen very briefly.
And if youre picking the designs that shouldnt and arent seen in the movie because theyre STUNT suits or guys over the intended and official look, than lest be fair and throw the double standard away and complain about the short and big sized alien in the first movie. After all, Bolaji was used only for 3 brief scenes: Closing in on Lambert, looking out behind the corner and getting up after getting gased.
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Or complain about the ultra fat runner
Again, its weird for me that someone takes a look of a stunt thing thats not suppose to be seen as canon over the actual oficial look
Quotealien and alien 3 really have the good admosphere( sorry for my english), with just one alien in a closed place and that is the way i want to see a alien movie
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In Alien and Aliens the characters were trapped. In Alien they had to figure something out because they didnt have enough means to survive for long without the hypersleep. In Aliens they were trapped and surrounded by those things pounding on walls and ceilings to get to them. In Alien 3 they were in danger only when they chose to be. Nothing would happen to them if they were together in those big halls. They didnt even have to be together, just split into 3 or 4 or sleep in the mess hall or the 'rumor control' hall
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 29, 2010, 09:54:47 PM
The only time we see stuntsuits in Aliens is during the Operations attack for 2 frames which is 2/3 of a second if you freeze frame when the strobe light flashes.
Every shot that involves an Alien moving is a stunt suit. There were no 'hero suits' for production, they couldn't afford it -- only fully sculpted dummies.
QuoteAnd those are the puppets representing the actual look of the warrior.
Except in the movie they kind'a don't, because we never see one of them in relation to a person.
I agree they're tall and skinny (Not necessarily on the 'taller' part - How big's the guy in your reference picture? They look about the same height.) -- but all you ever see interacting with anything in the movie is stunt guys in stunt suits. It's not hard to see why people get the impression they're shorter and bulkier.
Quote from: SiL on May 29, 2010, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 29, 2010, 09:54:47 PM
The only time we see stuntsuits in Aliens is during the Operations attack for 2 frames which is 2/3 of a second if you freeze frame when the strobe light flashes.
Every shot that involves an Alien moving is a stunt suit.
I know. Im saying the stunt suit is only visible in few frames from the entire movie. Same goes for the fact that its a stuntmen. Theyre never shown next to a person or in full shot so saying that you see short aliens is simple a lie
Quote]There were no 'hero suits' for production, they couldn't afford it -- only fully sculpted dummies.
Then whats this
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and this
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The hero suits WERE made, only used in the coccoon shot and the photosession
QuoteAnd those are the puppets representing the actual look of the warrior.
Except in the movie they kind'a don't, because we never see one of them in relation to a person.
QuoteAnd those are the puppets representing the actual look of the warrior.
Except in the movie they kind'a don't, because we never see one of them in relation to a person.[/quote]
We do. When once opens APC its bigger than the soldiers. And obviously the finished, fully designed look is the intended one, not black spandex.
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Quote
It's not hard to see why people get the impression they're shorter and bulkier
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And for me it is. I dont know how you can tell thats someone short or bulky from shots like those..
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that only last split seconds.
The fact that we know the Aliens weren't portrayed by 7foot tall Nigerians can play a part in our perception of them. I always thought they were massive, and I know they're massive, but also knowing that they are portrayed in certain scenes by smaller men jabs at the suspension of disbelief. It was post-Aliens that they became smaller, more hunched creatures. The Runner was smaller out of necessity, I guess, it's a dog (though there are times when the Runner changes size), and the A:R Xeno's were slobbering, hunched, giant cockroaches. Sad to see the design stray so far.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 29, 2010, 10:19:29 PM
The fact that we know the Aliens weren't portrayed by 7foot tall Nigerians can play a part in our perception of them.
It certainly does and same goes for the original Alien. People keep complaining about the absence of 7 foot tall skinny people while in reality Bolaji was used only for 3 shots in the entire movie and the rest was normal sized short guys, one of which you could only see the head.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 29, 2010, 10:19:29 PM
The Runner was smaller out of necessity
It was a bit larger, actually. The lack-lustre special effects made it seem much smaller, though.
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 29, 2010, 09:54:47 PM
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First Ridley! Now Harry?!
Just what is it with the Alien and surprise buttsecks?
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 29, 2010, 10:09:33 PM
Theyre never shown next to a person or in full shot so saying that you see short aliens is simple a lie
They're seen next to scenery, though.
QuoteAnd for me it is. I dont know how you can tell thats someone short or bulky from shots like those..
that only last split seconds.
Then try looking at the shots from Operations where they're next to tables and filing cabinets.
Quote from: TJ Doc on May 29, 2010, 10:25:52 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 29, 2010, 09:54:47 PM
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First Ridley! Now Harry?!
Just what is it with the Alien and surprise buttsecks?
Eyes on Ripley!
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That fiend! :o
Quote from: SiL on May 29, 2010, 10:37:52 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 29, 2010, 10:09:33 PM
Theyre never shown next to a person or in full shot so saying that you see short aliens is simple a lie
They're seen next to scenery, though.
QuoteAnd for me it is. I dont know how you can tell thats someone short or bulky from shots like those..
that only last split seconds.
Then try looking at the shots from Operations where they're next to tables and filing cabinets.
And thats still if you freeze frame and really look for it. Sam,e goes for the stunts in alien, you can see them against the scenery or in relation to the shuttle door or dallas if you freeze frame. For me thats just a serious and unhealthy picking
Anyway, for those who are worked up over stunt suits over the actual official look, heres the runner
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Ugly.
Rito Revolto?
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 29, 2010, 10:48:04 PM
Anyway, for those who are worked up over stunt suits over the actual official look, heres the runner
It doesn't look like it runs any more than any other type of alien...
:-\
;D
Quote from: maledoro on May 29, 2010, 11:02:03 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 29, 2010, 10:48:04 PM
Anyway, for those who are worked up over stunt suits over the actual official look, heres the runner
It doesn't look like it runs any more than any other type of alien...
:-\
;D
Judging by its size it doesnt look like it runs at all!
Jesus H. Christ, that Runner suit is hideous.
One thing about the size. Even if Alien and human don't share the frame - they never look each other eye-to-eye. The human is always looking up at the Alien.
Does that mean they just enlarged the suit with the camera?
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 31, 2010, 02:18:14 AM
Does that mean they just enlarged the suit with the camera?
Different suits or forced perspective
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Maybe standing on a crate? :P
Either way, it looks way better in that pic.
QuoteDoes that mean they just enlarged the suit with the camera?
No they just had the performer standing on box and shot it from a low angle, generally. And had the victim looking up at where the Alien would be.
I think Ressurection was okay but Aliens was the best.
Alien is #1, forever and ever. Without it, Jimbo wouldn't have had a film to smear on.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 05, 2010, 01:26:12 AM
Alien is #1, forever and ever. Without it, Jimbo wouldn't have had a film to smear on.
yes, ver correct!
Quote from: xJosh on Jun 04, 2010, 10:41:45 PM
I think Ressurection was okay but Aliens was the best.
maybe about the A:R
Quote from: SpaceMarines on May 30, 2010, 05:25:55 AM
Quote from: TJ Doc on May 29, 2010, 10:45:50 PM
That fiend! :o
Get the police!
lol
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 05, 2010, 01:26:12 AM
Alien is #1, forever and ever. Without it, Jimbo wouldn't have had a film to smear on.
Alien is great solo viewing. My friends (and admittedly, I) always giggle at the cute noise the chestburster makes after erupting from Kane's chest. Aliens is great for when you have a gathering.
Oh ya, for real. When I watched it with fluxcap, we started laughing when Ash was making those hilarious squeak noises right before, and after, Parker knocks his head loose.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 05, 2010, 07:02:45 PM
Oh ya, for real. When I watched it with fluxcap, we started laughing when Ash was making those hilarious squeak noises right before, and after, Parker knocks his head loose.
And also his funny waving arms and the supreme smile his decapitated prop head has when Parker is placing it on the table and burning it. Even Ridley laughed at that. Alas, that's what budget and time does, not to mention limited technical resources. What Alien does for some unintended, minor hilarity, it makes up in terms of mood and doom.
Aliens
Alien
Alien3
Alien R
Alien
Alien 3
Aliens
Alien: Ressurection
Why is Alien 3 bolded?
Because although it's my favourite, I aknowledge that it's not the best. Alien is.
Ahhhh now I get it. My fav is also Alien 3.
*high five* ;D
I gotta see the Assembly cut. Will it be in the Blu-Ray tetralogy?
Quote from: Lt. Mike Harrigan on Jun 24, 2010, 08:43:51 AM
*high five* ;D
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Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 24, 2010, 09:40:19 AM
I gotta see the Assembly cut. Will it be in the Blu-Ray tetralogy?
nice avoidance of the made-up word Quadrilogy!
The Alien³ Special Edition will be in the new Alien Anthology.
Quote from: AvatarIII on Jun 24, 2010, 10:55:17 AM
nice avoidance of the made-up word Quadrilogy!
;D ;D I learned this thanks to IMDB
Quote from: SiL on Jun 24, 2010, 10:58:20 AM
The Alien³ Special Edition will be in the new Alien Anthology.
F**k yeah! Can't wait for it to be finally released. I wonder if they will adjust a bit the effects!
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 24, 2010, 11:33:42 AM
F**k yeah! Can't wait for it to be finally released. I wonder if they will adjust a bit the effects!
It was mentioned that the actors would be brought in to fix the audio for the reinserted scenes.
I mean the actual creature effects. That unnatural green blob around the Alien bugs me.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 24, 2010, 11:48:23 AM
I mean the actual creature effects. That unnatural green blob around the Alien bugs me.
Yeah, the rod puppet doesn't look too good.
The Puppet was truely amazing:
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It's the compositing that majorly sucked. :-\
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 24, 2010, 11:55:49 AM
The Puppet was truely amazing:
It's the compositing that majorly sucked. :-\
Yeah, that's what I meant.
QuoteF**k yeah! Can't wait for it to be finally released. I wonder if they will adjust a bit the effects!
Finally?
...oh, you mean the actual Assembly Cut. Naw, that's not in it.
I mean the Blu-Ray.
So the assembly cut ain't gonna be in the blu-ray? Bad news. Where I can see it then?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 24, 2010, 09:40:19 AM
I gotta see the Assembly cut. Will it be in the Blu-Ray tetralogy?
Not that different from the original film. A few extra scenes that alter the pacing, but only make the film a little more logical.
OmegaZilla, you haven't seen the assembly cut of Alien3?
QuoteNot that different from the original film.
Not "that different"?? It's half an hour longer. Hardly "a few extra scenes".
I like Aliens due to the Colonial Marines.
Quote from: SM on Jun 24, 2010, 11:22:45 PM
QuoteNot that different from the original film.
Not "that different"?? It's half an hour longer. Hardly "a few extra scenes".
I didn't feel as though it contributed anything major. The only scene that really sticks out in my mind was the prisoner letting the Runner out of the contained area and letting it loose.
It explained what happened to Golic. The ending suffered however.
No one cared what happened to Golic in the theatrical cut, because all the earlier scenes that established him as a supporting character got cut.
As for adding anything, it added more depth to Ripley, Golic, Dillon, Aaron and Morse.
Whether this actually improved the film is open to debate.
However it is significantly different to the theatrical cut.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 24, 2010, 06:50:05 PM
OmegaZilla, you haven't seen the assembly cut of Alien3?
No. :( I have seen only the theatrical cut with the Dog-Burst.
But I do have a doubt - the Special Edition DvDs of the Saga had 2 versions of the film each - I have the "Base" Quadrilogy, so I have only one disc per film. So, techincally, I have 2 versions of
Alien3 in the DvD.
How many versions are in total of
Alien3?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 25, 2010, 11:26:49 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 24, 2010, 06:50:05 PM
OmegaZilla, you haven't seen the assembly cut of Alien3?
No. :( I have seen only the theatrical cut with the Dog-Burst.
But I do have a doubt - the Special Edition DvDs of the Saga had 2 versions of the film each - I have the "Base" Quadrilogy, so I have only one disc per film. So, techincally, I have 2 versions of Alien3 in the DvD.
How many versions are in total of Alien3?
I don't have the quadrilogy, but two-disc editions of the first three films. On each disc one is the TC and DC of each movie, on disc 2 is bonus materials. So, theoretically, you should have both the TC and DC on one disc. However, if you have the bare bones versions, then you'll only have the TC (or usually in the case of Aliens, only the DC).
Here are the two differing standalone DVD's available in the UK, to my knowledge
Bare bones, theatrical
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The assembly cut on the special edition is my preferred version of Alien3.
I have a pack with 4 dvds featuring each 2 versions of the film. One is the TC and the other is a special edition.
As said, how many versions of A3 are out there? For example, Aliens has TC, and SE with added scenes that were cut from the TC.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 25, 2010, 12:26:46 PM
I have a pack with 4 dvds featuring each 2 versions of the film. One is the TC and the other is a special edition.
As said, how many versions of A3 are out there? For example, Aliens has TC, and SE with added scenes that were cut from the TC.
So you have the Assembly cut, you've just not watched it?
There are two versions of each film. One TC for each film, and DC for every film except Alien3, since the director did not recut it, so it's therefore the Assembly Cut.
Ok, I understand now.
Thought it was a DC, not the AC. I've seen it then, only a lot of time ago. Gotta rewatch it soon then. :)
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 25, 2010, 12:34:17 PM
Ok, I understand now.
Thought it was a DC, not the AC. I've seen it then, only a lot of time ago. Gotta rewatch it soon then. :)
I find it superior to the TC, though I would trim one scene, where the prisoners decide to go to the furnace. Otherwise - 8)
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 25, 2010, 12:18:22 PM
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Man, those Australian age rating logos are massive! But the ratings board must be pretty hardcore to only give a film as nasty as Alien 3 a 15 rating.
That's the highest rating they have. They're always trying to ban media which would exceed that rating abroad, because they're ultra conservative. They outlawed porn actresses with small breasts because apparently it looks like child pornography.
Quote from: Mus on Jun 25, 2010, 03:00:44 PM
They outlawed porn actresses with small breasts because apparently it looks like child pornography.
I declare those OUTLAAAAAAAWS
... Okay. :D
But isn't there an R18+ rating for films? I swear I've seen one on a DVD cover. Although I knew that videogames couldn't get anything above a 15 (which has lead to several bannings).
Now that I look at the back of the cover... it says "the Bitch is back" with a Weaver image right next to it... very misleading. :D
Oh whaddya know, there is an 18+ rating for movies there. Different standards I take it. I suppose they still view video games as strictly for kids, then.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 25, 2010, 03:09:54 PM
Now that I look at the back of the cover... it says "the Bitch is back" with a Weaver image right next to it... very misleading. :D
Evidently, there was a bit of confusion about that:
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Well she is a bitch! Pfft, cussin' and torchin' eggs...who she think she iz??
Quote from: TJ Doc on Jun 25, 2010, 01:41:32 PM
Man, those Australian age rating logos are massive! But the ratings board must be pretty hardcore to only give a film as nasty as Alien 3 a 15 rating.
Second highest rating, must have ID before going in. It's not extreme enough for R18+.
Quote from: Mus on Jun 25, 2010, 03:17:29 PM
Oh whaddya know, there is an 18+ rating for movies there. Different standards I take it. I suppose they still view video games as strictly for kids, then.
We have two 18 ratings for movies. There is one guy who refuses to let games have an 18+ rating, and due to some legal bullshit, that means no 18+ rating, period.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jun 25, 2010, 06:09:22 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 25, 2010, 03:09:54 PM
Now that I look at the back of the cover... it says "the Bitch is back" with a Weaver image right next to it... very misleading. :D
Evidently, there was a bit of confusion about that:
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Very interested in the others. Link?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 29, 2010, 07:56:50 PM
Very interested in the others. Link?
I can't find the article, it's buried under recent news, but here's all the Alien and Predator flicks that made it: http://www.jamescamerononline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1981
Thanks. Wow Alien is third ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 29, 2010, 08:01:24 PM
Thanks. Wow Alien is third ;D ;D ;D
It is a pretty fab-tastic tagline :D
I like them all equally, so I decided which of the Alien creatures I liked best - I chose Alien.
Quote from: Commander Shepard on Jul 06, 2010, 03:04:23 AM
I like them all equally, so I decided which of the Alien creatures I liked best - I chose Alien.
Yeah the are all go---- Hold on, You like Alien Rez as much as Alien?
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 07, 2010, 09:07:38 AM
Quote from: Commander Shepard on Jul 06, 2010, 03:04:23 AM
I like them all equally, so I decided which of the Alien creatures I liked best - I chose Alien.
Yeah the are all go---- Hold on, You like Alien Rez as much as Alien?
Yes, I mean, certain qualities of Aliens I definitely like better than Resurrection, such as the reproductive system not being all outta whack, and the Queen, and Ripley's badass final confrontation, and there are elements of Resurrection I like better than Aliens, such as the Soundtrack, the concept of a floating laboratory where the Aliens are being experimented on and the "mad scientists" were cool. Also, the way the story was executed was rather nice. Resurrection is an original film. It is different, I think that is why so many people misunderstand it, I, personally, like different, original films.
Resurrection is original? You really think the idea of genetic cloning and mad scientists started with that film?
If anything, it's cliched
I still can't decide between the original trilogy. They're all brilliant in their own right. :-\
QuoteResurrection is original? You really think the idea of genetic cloning and mad scientists started with that film?
As far as Alien films it did.
Besides how many big films dealt with cloning prior to Resurrection apart from Jurassic Park? It's not like it was an overdone concept or especially cliched.
Quote from: SM on Jul 07, 2010, 11:41:51 PM
QuoteResurrection is original? You really think the idea of genetic cloning and mad scientists started with that film?
As far as Alien films it did.
One of the few things I like about Ressurection.
Alien Human hybrids giving birth to crazy monstrocities, other than Species, was quiet original, I liked it.
Alien is head and shoulders above the rest.
Aliens > Alien > Alien 3 >>>>>>> Resurrection
Me its
1. Aliens Because I like the army setting more than horror
2.Alien/alien resurrection/Alien 3 tied because I cant choose between these three.
Alien is my favorite. I like all the movies. This is my order.
1. Alien
2. Aliens
3. Alien 3
4. Alien Resurrection
That list made me smile.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 12, 2010, 07:50:03 AM
That list made me smile.
Im glad you liked it. That has always been the order of my list.
I agree with that completely.
1. Alien (original or directors cut)
2. Alien 3 assembly cut
3. Aliens Special Edition
4. Alien Resurrection
Oh god! He's here!
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I like them all, some more than others, for different reasons.
ALIENS
A3
AR
I know ALIEN is not my first, I know i like ALIENS more, but im not sure if i like it better that 3 or not....... or AR, i must watch them again.
You posted that pic twice and still can't see it.
Copy the url in another window. It works for me.
Anyway it's just a photo of the Resurrection Drone with the Aliens title & tagline pasted.
I admit it, my DVD is missing Aliens and Alien 3 (not buying 4) I feel bad as I have P1, P2, ...and even both the two horrible films that we shall not name.
My fav out of the Alien films is Aliens... but the scariest bit for me in all the films was the Tunnel bit in the first one.
Anyway to correct this crime of not owning it I've bought the Definative 2 disc version on play, hopefully it'll be a steel case. One thing it didn't say was what the extra were and if it was the Directors Cut!
Can anyone fill me in?
Buy a Blu-ray Player + the Anthology when it comes in October.
8) Aliens, Alien Res, Alien" Alien 3
Aliens i love that queen ;D.
Alien 3
Alien
Alien-r
ALIENS
ALIEN
ALIEN 3
ALIEN Ressurection.
I like the first two a lot. I only like ALIENS a little bit more than ALIEN.
Alien
Aliens
Alien3
Alien Res
I love aliens mainly cause of the action.
I love the first three equally in their own right however ALIEN is my favourite .
Quote from: Commander Richardus on Aug 06, 2010, 09:15:44 AM
I love the first three equally in their own right however ALIEN is my favourite.
Agreed.
Im kinda the same. I hold the first 3 films in the same regard but if i was pushed to give an answer id have to say Alien 3 is my favourite. Only just. :)
Alien then daylight then Aliens then the rest....
Seriously Alien is a f***** amazing movie, the other day I had a few drinks after work came home and put it on and it was literally like watching it again for the first time, I was glued to my TV from start to finish, when usually I tend to nod off after having a few. ;D
The atmosphere is unrivalled, the Nostromos is a creepy enough place as it is, (all those sounds... and the lighting ;)) let alone when you have a xenomorph loose onboard! What I like most about it though, is Alien is one of those movies where if you were watching it for the 1st time you genuinely wouldn't know what was going to happen or how it was going to end. Now In Predator you could tell Arnie was going to live from the moment he stepped off the chopper, and same with Royce and Isabella in Preds. But looking back at Alien it's like Dallas is the desiginated main dude for the 1st part of the film with Ripley relegated to playing a supporting character and then all of a sudden it's like " Ohh s*** it just took Dallas!!"
The xenomorph design is also the best in Alien too IMO, I don't see the fascination with ridge heads lately too me the smooth/sleek look is much more terrifying and much more alien.
Quality: Aliens, Alien, Alien3, Alien Resurrection
Personal Opinion: Aliens, Alien, Alien Resurrection, Alien3
I can never forgive Alien3 for what it did...you know what i mean... :'(
My favorite one is ALIEN.
Alien,alien3,aliens and last but lest res
res has to be the worst evar
Quote from: kdog450 on Aug 16, 2010, 09:57:29 PM
Alien,alien3,aliens and last but lest res
res has to be the worst evar
I wouldn't say that.
Except I would.
Aliens by James Cameron is my favorite.
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Yes, I mean, certain qualities of Aliens I definitely like better than Resurrection, such as the reproductive system not being all outta whack, and the Queen, and Ripley's badass final confrontation, and there are elements of Resurrection I like better than Aliens, such as the Soundtrack, the concept of a floating laboratory where the Aliens are being experimented on and the "mad scientists" were cool. Also, the way the story was executed was rather nice. Resurrection is an original film. It is different, I think that is why so many people misunderstand it, I, personally, like different, original films.
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I dunno why this guy was banned but he's pretty right !
I love all the Alien films. I wouldn't change a thing about them. The first Alien is the best, however.
Quote from: Slithar on Aug 19, 2010, 07:03:49 PM
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Yes, I mean, certain qualities of Aliens I definitely like better than Resurrection, such as the reproductive system not being all outta whack, and the Queen, and Ripley's badass final confrontation, and there are elements of Resurrection I like better than Aliens, such as the Soundtrack, the concept of a floating laboratory where the Aliens are being experimented on and the "mad scientists" were cool. Also, the way the story was executed was rather nice. Resurrection is an original film. It is different, I think that is why so many people misunderstand it, I, personally, like different, original films.
I dunno why this guy was banned but he's pretty right !
Yu may be entitled too your opinion but
QuoteAlso, the way the story was executed was rather nice.
I gotta disagree on this one.
1. Alien
2. Alien 3
3. Aliens
I love Alien because of the mystery and fear of the unknown in this film. Besides, it's the original. Alien 3, like Alien, is dark, girty, only has one alien, and the fact that the humans can't really defend themselves from the creature. Aliens is a great action film, but when I watch an Alien film, I want horror. Honestly, don't understand why almost everyone loves this film over the others and hate Alien 3 so much. This movies made the aliens less mysterious and scary and into overgrown, mindless bugs. The aliens seem to be careless when in numbers. In the first and thrid films, one could take down many people with out being seen. In Aliens, they just throw themselves in the line of fire. Where did their stealth go? Don't get me wrong, I do love Aliens, but it isn't horror that I wanted. Alien made you scared of the dark. Aliens gets you pumped up for action. To me, Alien 3 is the better sequel because it has the same feel as the original.
Sorry, I didn't want to rant. I just wanted to express my thoughts.
Wait, wasn't there a fourth Alien film?...Nah, it must have been a bad dream.
Quote from: DiabloGuapo on Aug 21, 2010, 04:13:31 AM
1. Alien
2. Alien 3
3. Aliens
I love Alien because of the mystery and fear of the unknown in this film. Besides, it's the original. Alien 3, like Alien, is dark, girty, only has one alien, and the fact that the humans can't really defend themselves from the creature. Aliens is a great action film, but when I watch an Alien film, I want horror. Honestly, don't understand why almost everyone loves this film over the others and hate Alien 3 so much. This movies made the aliens less mysterious and scary and into overgrown, mindless bugs. The aliens seem to be careless when in numbers. In the first and thrid films, one could take down many people with out being seen. In Aliens, they just throw themselves in the line of fire. Where did their stealth go? Don't get me wrong, I do love Aliens, but it isn't horror that I wanted. Alien made you scared of the dark. Aliens gets you pumped up for action. To me, Alien 3 is the better sequel because it has the same feel as the original.
Sorry, I didn't want to rant. I just wanted to express my thoughts.
Wait, wasn't there a fourth Alien film?...Nah, it must have been a bad dream.
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Valaquen Uber-Articles to the rescue!
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Linking it will save me from crying over my laptop as I furiously type a rebuttal :D
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I think you missed my point. My main arugement was over the Horror film vs. Action film. Nice job though. I agree with a lot that you said, but what I am concerned about is the type of movies the first three are. Aliens is a great movie, but it still an Action film more than it is a Horror film. Please don't criticize me over my opinon.
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I think you missed my point. My main arugement was over the Horror film vs. Action film. Nice job though. I agree with a lot that you said, but what I am concerned about is the type of movies the first three are. Aliens is a great movie, but it still an Action film more than it is a Horror film. Please don't criticize me over my opinon.
I'm not criticising your opinion, just tackling the 'mindless Alien' thing that goes on. Your opinion is perfectly valid, I can understand preferring the one Alien-no weapon approach (Alien3 has a sequence with enough explosions to rival, if not outdo, the firepower of the Operations scene, and I think Aliens has plenty of suspense - you don't see an Alien for an hour an when you do it's in flashes, save the Queen) and I like Alien3 too. Another Aliens-esque movie would have been boring, and I don't think it could have rivaled Aliens, so I'm happy it took the low key approach it did.
Got to be Alien (the extended version) first, then pretty much the order they were released. Should have stopped at 3 though because res was garbage (especially the newborn).
Resurrection , Newborn for life ;) i was imagine a Newborn vs Predator, any chance for newborn? LOL
Quote from: Necrokult on Sep 04, 2010, 11:53:50 PM
Resurrection , Newborn for life ;) i was imagine a Newborn vs Predator, any chance for newborn? LOL
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Aliens is my favourite, although Alien is arguably the better of the two. I love them both of course. Actually, scratch that: my favourite Alien film is Alien, my favourite film is Aliens. I'd have to really struggle to find a movie with pacing, design, and a combination of a whole bunch of technical cinematic mishmash that I find more simply entertaining and rewarding than Aliens. And that's not to put down other great films, but Aliens is my vanilla, my Times New Roman, my default template for everything I love in a movie.
A^3 and Resurrection are curiosities. Fairly interesting films in their own right. But I don't really include them.
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Resurrection , Newborn for life ;) i was imagine a Newborn vs Predator, any chance for newborn? LOL
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Quote from: Necrokult on Sep 04, 2010, 11:53:50 PM
Resurrection , Newborn for life ;) i was imagine a Newborn vs Predator, any chance for newborn? LOL
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Quote from: Necrokult on Sep 04, 2010, 11:53:50 PM
Resurrection , Newborn for life ;) i was imagine a Newborn vs Predator, any chance for newborn? LOL
With an omnibitchslap, why not.
Its hard to pick between Alien and Aliens. It is like picking the favorite of my children! But i enjoyed Aliens more. But They are both great and each will have a special place in my heart.
1. Aliens
2. Alien
3. Alien3
4. Alien resurrection
Aliens , Alien , Alien Resurrection , Alien 3
Alien is the most important, Aliens is the most entertaining, Alien3 is the most immersive and Alien Resurrection is the most French.
Was there something about Resurrection that made it "French" aside from the director?
dominique pinon's english accent?
"Who were you expecting? The Eastern Bunny?"
Quote from: Alexa Chung on Oct 05, 2010, 12:08:11 AM
dominique pinon's english accent?
Yeah, that's gotta be it lol
The French crew Jeunet brought over Frenched it up a bit too, and the comedic style of the film was very Jeunet.
I watched a French sci-fi film called Dante01, it had a very Alien Resurrestion feel to it - and also starred our wheel-chaired hero, Dominque Pinon.
Not sure why that's relevant but I'd recommend it!
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 05, 2010, 09:01:24 AM
The French crew Jeunet brought over Frenched it up a bit too, and the comedic style of the film was very Jeunet.
To be fair, it could have been far worse. I didn't find it too arty.
Quote from: Vulhala on Oct 05, 2010, 09:43:23 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 05, 2010, 09:01:24 AM
The French crew Jeunet brought over Frenched it up a bit too, and the comedic style of the film was very Jeunet.
To be fair, it could have been far worse. I didn't find it too arty.
Me neither, to be honest, the film, to me, looked quite dull and sickly yellow. It's not for me.
You know, I find Resurrection so disappointing because of the good stuff that they've actually done.
City of the Lost Children was amazing. Some fantastic acting - Pearlman, I think Pinon was in that too, I can't remember but I enjoyed him in Amelie and Delicatessen. I love Whedon's Firefly/Serenity and Dr Horrible's Sing Along Blog. And let's not forget what a waste of Dourif and Orser.
Dourif's problem is that whilst he's excellent (Child's Play, and I liked hi in Spontaneous Combustion, as well as LOTR) he's painfully typecast. He's meant to be quite good in Halloween 2, but I'll never watch that.
Alien,but i have already answered in this thread.At least now i can write why.....
Sure Aliens is a blast to watch over and over again,but i don't think it has what Alien has.
I don't fear the creatures in Cameron's film,they seem cannon fodder and are there to keep the marines busy and take some of them off screen,so we get to the final Queen confrontation.Don't really understand how people could say that the creatures had a better design in Aliens.They were much closer to the generic movie monster of the 80s than the first film's once in a lifetime creature.Every time i watch Aliens it just oozes 80s from the screen,but every time i watch Alien it doesn't show a specific decade on the screen.It doesn't screem 70s right away,it is just.....timeless.
The characters in Aliens are good enough,just don't come even close to the realism the ones in Alien had.It's cool to be all bad-ass blowing bad bugs to pieces,but as i started to grow up it became like a bubble gum that simply kinda lost it's flavor that it had for me when i was a kiddo.I think i watched a video of John Hurt where he said that he thought the other alien films felt much more fantasy and adventure oriented,while the first felt heavy on the ground.And the sob is absolutely right.
Alien on the other hand has not only the most realistic characters in the franchise,but they are the best too.They are not advanced soldiers from the future,they aren't dangerous prisoners on a distant planet,also they aren't nomadic space bandits that can shoot a grenade right in the opening of an alien egg just by looking at a reflection of it. :-\
They feel like a bunch of common people that you almost could work with on a daily basis.At least that's how it felt to me.
I also say that Captain Dallas is the best character of all in the alien films by far.
On the contrary as i was growing up i started liking Alien more and more and that just has to say something.
No offense to the Aliens fans,that's just my way of looking at the films.Both of them are gold anyway.
I also like Alien 3 a lot,but that's for a different discussion i think.
QuoteI think Pinon was in that too
You think? He only played a stack of clones and the original. :D
ALIENS 10
ALIEN 10
ALIEN3 8
ALIEN RESURRECTION 7
Quote from: Vitriol on Oct 05, 2010, 09:42:08 AM
I watched a French sci-fi film called Dante01, it had a very Alien Resurrestion feel to it - and also starred our wheel-chaired hero, Dominque Pinon.
Not sure why that's relevant but I'd recommend it!
Dante 01 was the film Alien Resurrection could've been. If Marc Caro was onboard, for Alien Resurrection, we may have gotten more hard scifi like Dante 01, and less goofiness. I still like Alien Resurrection, but I think Jeunet was slightly out of his depth making that film.
Quote from: DrGediman on Oct 09, 2010, 12:35:51 AM
Quote from: Vitriol on Oct 05, 2010, 09:42:08 AM
I watched a French sci-fi film called Dante01, it had a very Alien Resurrestion feel to it - and also starred our wheel-chaired hero, Dominque Pinon.
Not sure why that's relevant but I'd recommend it!
Dante 01 was the film Alien Resurrection could've been. If Marc Caro was onboard, for Alien Resurrection, we may have gotten more hard scifi like Dante 01, and less goofiness. I still like Alien Resurrection, but I think Jeunet was slightly out of his depth making that film.
Quite agree.
Quote from: DrGediman on Oct 09, 2010, 12:35:51 AM
Quote from: Vitriol on Oct 05, 2010, 09:42:08 AM
I watched a French sci-fi film called Dante01, it had a very Alien Resurrestion feel to it - and also starred our wheel-chaired hero, Dominque Pinon.
Not sure why that's relevant but I'd recommend it!
Dante 01 was the film Alien Resurrection could've been. If Marc Caro was onboard, for Alien Resurrection, we may have gotten more hard scifi like Dante 01, and less goofiness. I still like Alien Resurrection, but I think Jeunet was slightly out of his depth making that film.
Dunno about that. Caro's orginal character designs - just concepts; granted - were the very epitomy of 'goofy'.
Out of depht?
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Yeah, um.
What has been seen...
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Oct 11, 2010, 06:56:53 PM
Out of depht?
http://www.stampede-entertainment.com/monstermakers/clones-3-6.jpg
Yeah, um.
Is that Pumpkinhead in the middle there? ;)
Punkinhead with a mangina.
I want to say "Newborn (may its name be forever cursed) concept"...
...why?
It's Ripley #6.
Oy vey...
Fakakta...
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 11, 2010, 07:36:49 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Oct 11, 2010, 06:56:53 PM
Out of depht?
http://www.stampede-entertainment.com/monstermakers/clones-3-6.jpg
Yeah, um.
Is that Pumpkinhead in the middle there? ;)
Weird, eh? They used Pumpkinhead;'s body for the aliens and Pumpkinhead's head for the clone
'cept that head doesn't bear that much similarity to Pumpkinhead...
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Ripley#6 has very basic skin texturing and Pumpkinhead doesn't.
All that's similar is the overall shape.
Just the head, really. Everything else on Ripley 6 looks humanoid.
Pretty much.
Punkinhead has a massive mouth, a face and the head that seems to have two bits.
Ripley#6 doesn't.
And I swear it looks like he has a penis that is struggling to grow.
I just noticed that myself... :-\
Maybe that's why he's so angry.
Quote from: SM on Oct 12, 2010, 10:12:31 PM
'cept that head doesn't bear that much similarity to Pumpkinhead...
http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_pumpkinhead_9.jpg
Ripley#6 has very basic skin texturing and Pumpkinhead doesn't.
All that's similar is the overall shape.
Pumpkinhead also went through design changes throughout the movies. Very subtle, but still. Thats more or less the one I thought about when I saw #6
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Im not saying theyre near identical like the bodies of Pumpkinhead and ADI bugs, but theres a resemblence which may not be accidental, considering the fact that ADI are so in love with their own self and their first design that they keep incorporating it in whatever theyre doing
The only thing(s) that Pumpkinhead and the A:R Aliens have in common are the teeth, the avian legs (they don't look alike too, it's the anatomicals structure that bears resemblance) and the humanoid ribcage. End.
The comparison with Ripley #6 especially I don't get - the thing got serried teeth, in a very little mouth. Pumpkinhead has a big, big mouth, with humanoid teeth. Ripley #6 has little, bloody eyes on the side of the skull. Pumpkinhead has them in the front of it - and they are white, pupil less. Also the clone hasn't a head as detailed.
Also it wasn't ADI designing Pumpkinhead if I recall right, t'was Winston.
You ladies need to chill out - people were joking.
Relax.
Say 'Relax' again! Say 'Relax' again! I double dare you! I triple dare you!
;) Nobody was "warm" in there.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Oct 13, 2010, 11:22:25 AM
The only thing(s) that Pumpkinhead and the A:R Aliens have in common are the teeth, the avian legs (they don't look alike too, it's the anatomicals structure that bears resemblance) and the humanoid ribcage. End.
I dont know. They look very much alike. Like you said, theres the ribcage, the legs, then there are the shoulder appendages that re grown to the shoulders, the hands and the whole fleshy structure
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The influence is apparent
QuoteThe comparison with Ripley #6 especially I don't get - the thing got serried teeth, in a very little mouth. Pumpkinhead has a big, big mouth, with humanoid teeth. Ripley #6 has little, bloody eyes on the side of the skull. Pumpkinhead has them in the front of it - and they are white, pupil less. Also the clone hasn't a head as detailed.
Again, it was more of a sarcasm, but a slight resemblance is there
QuoteAlso it wasn't ADI designing Pumpkinhead if I recall right, t'was Winston.
No it wasnt. It was the first and only time Winston let Gillis and Woodruf both design and act as a creature
Quote from: StrangeShape on Oct 13, 2010, 11:46:17 AM
ribcage
Well as said, but a lot of Monsters have this characteristic, borrowed obviously by the first Alien designs (as far as I know they were the first Monsters showing a visible ribcage). The Alien from
Altered shows this too:
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Quote from: StrangeShape on Oct 13, 2010, 11:46:17 AM
They look very much alike.
A resemblance at first glance (rhyme! ;)) is undeniable, but then there come a lot of differences too. It's also a bit obvious - Pumpkinhead was inspired by the original Aliens in its design. The A:R Aliens are a derivation of the original Alien design, so some similarities aren't so unexpected if you ask me. :)
Quote from: StrangeShape on Oct 13, 2010, 11:46:17 AM
then there are the shoulder appendages
Pumpkinhead's appendages spring directly from the shoulder, and are bone-y in appearence. The Aliens have the shoulder pads with skinny muscles joining those with the actual arm (sort of an exaggeration of what was there in the first designs, alas four cables). I see no similarities there.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Oct 13, 2010, 11:46:17 AM
the hands and the whole fleshy structure
What gets me is that Pumpkinhead is muscular in structure, and has clearly visible veins. The Aliens are all but muscular - they're skinny as all the other Aliens. The feet too, Pumpkinhead has those monstrous, thick toes, whereas the Aliens have skinny, long toes.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Oct 13, 2010, 11:46:17 AM
No it wasnt. It was the first and only time Winston let Gillis and Woodruf both design and act as a creature
I stand corrected - thought it was all a work of SWS. Also a question, when did ADI start business (alas, when did it "detach" from SWS)?
Also saved the pic of the Alien if 'ya don't mind. :)
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Oct 13, 2010, 12:06:41 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Oct 13, 2010, 11:46:17 AM
ribcage
Well as said, but a lot of Monsters have this characteristic, borrowed obviously by the first Alien designs (as far as I know they were the first Monsters showing a visible ribcage). The Alien from Altered shows this too:
http://i51.tinypic.com/t50okp.jpg
Not seeing the resemblence in ribcage. Obviously, they're human-esque, but the Pumpkinhead and AR+ ribs are exact.
QuoteI stand corrected - thought it was all a work of SWS. Also a question, when did ADI start business (alas, when did it "detach" from SWS)?
Around 1990. Their first movie was some effects works on Tremors. Then Alien 3.
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 13, 2010, 12:09:38 PM
Not seeing the resemblence in ribcage.
All of them are protruding and humanoid, that's the resemblance.
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 13, 2010, 12:09:38 PM
but the Pumpkinhead and AR+ ribs are exact.
Similar I do agree with, but they're not exactly the same.
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As we can see, the sternum is slightly more pronounced in the A:R Alien, there's also more of a curve created by the ribs connecting with the sternum, and Pumpkinhead's ribs are covered with some flesh appendages. Also the angle in the photo I used doesn't quite show - but I think the A:R ridges are more curved too.
Quote from: Valaquen on Oct 13, 2010, 12:09:38 PM
Around 1990. Their first movie was some effects works on Tremors. Then Alien 3.
thanks. At that point I was unsure - I knew that their first work was Tremors (they did hell of a good job), but this had me doubting whether they were still in SWS when they were working on Pumpkinhead or not. Thanks for clearing that. :)
They cant be exactly the same, but as your own pics has proved, they are extremely alike. Sure, there are common features in movie monsters (and that proves further that ADI added the generic monster features to the alien design), but the big difference here is that both creatures at question come from the same people and are surprisingly very much alike. And knowing Gillis' and Woodruff boasting ego and self praise (after all, they criticized Giger's and Winston's creatures and claimed theirs is the best), I believe they simply adapted Pumpkinhead's design to Alien because they were the biggest fans of it (if not the only ones)
Thing is, the Alien contributed to create the generic movie monster features. It's since Alien we have skinny monsters (hell, there are a lot others that have a visible ribcage; it's fairly common now, although it's undeniably a cool feature) and all that stuff. And not in case. The greatness of Giger's design inspired countless works after it and a lot of designs "borrowed" traits from it. The A:R Aliens unfortunately suffered from this because, instead of being associated to the legacy they were continuing, they were associated to other movie monsters that borrowed some design choices from the first alien, ending up looking similar in some details.
But the A:R Alien still features the most striking features of the original Aliens (bar the biomech, still present but in a far lesser quantity), alas the long, stretched head, the eyeless feel, the visible bone inside the semi-transparent dome, the shredded cheeks, the metallic teeth, the inner jaw, the back tubes. Something not quite common in other movie monsters.
Oh, and I like both Pumpkinhead and the movie it stars in. Winston did a great job with it.
QuoteIm not saying theyre near identical like the bodies of Pumpkinhead and ADI bugs, but theres a resemblence which may not be accidental, considering the fact that ADI are so in love with their own self and their first design that they keep incorporating it in whatever theyre doing
I was just talking about the heads.
The upper torso is a fairly obvious Alien rip off.
Let's see favorite Alien movie? I love them all obviously but my personal favorite is Aliens: Special Edition.
I guess mine would be, Alien 3. Not really sure as to why but I just like it. :P
Aliens
Alien
Alien Resurrection
Alien 3
1. Alien (TC)
2. Aliens (TC)
3. Alien 3 (TC/AC)
Alien is a perfect movie top to bottom... Aliens is one of the most awesome movies ever made... Alien 3 is boooooooooooooorrrrrrriiiiiinnng.
To those that chose A:R......hello!
I don't necessarily think Alien 3 is the best, but I tend to watch it the most. Love the tone of it.
After years of not being able to tell which of the movies from the trilogy I like better, liking them all really equally, after my recent reviewings of the trilogy I think I can now rank them. Still, they are extremely close to each other for me. My ranking would be
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien
Alien by the admission of everyone involved was a straight ahead horror movie. Aliens was made because of Cameron's fascination with Ripley character, and it was about her trauma and her fighting her inner demons. Alien 3 was also about Ripley, her depression and how she deals with her situation. Alien 3 is even more about Ripley to the point where, like I said, you can take out the runner and the story could still remain intact. Its more drama. Im not saying either is good or bad, but I prefer focusing on Ripley's character and the characters' dramas with aliens being just a backdrop or a story device for those dramas
Yeah if the last letter of its title is not the letter S, it's not my fav.
Oh, the difference a letter makes...
Alien is a class film. IMO easily the best. Almost to the extent that I consider the 'franchise' as a different entity altogether. Alien 3 is a laudable attempt at something that might have worked if Fox had had faith in Fincher. The rest I could happily forget.
I love ALIEN
I love ALIENS
Alien 3 is a pretty good movie but I don't like it because it pissed me off so much. I was so annoyed when they killed of Hicks and newt. At the end of ALIENS it all seemed to nice that only those few survived, but when they killed them off so quickly in ALIEN 3 it spoiled the ALIEN franchise for me permanently.
My fav is Aliens all the way.
ALIEN is in a league of its own. The 'franchise' that came after doesn't inspire me at all, though Alien3 has lots to commend it.
Alien is a masterpiece. Aliens is great too, although I don't think it's as timeless. And I find Resurrection more satisfying than 3. So there you go.
Quote from: Brett on Jan 23, 2011, 03:28:18 AM
Alien is a masterpiece. Aliens is great too, although I don't think it's as timeless.
Excellent point.
The only reason Aliens isn't completely timeless is because the 80's ended.
And that's a terrible thing.
Yep.
Aliens suffers from the fact you can tell it's a balls-out awesome 80s flick.
Alien instead doesn't feel "locked" in a certain period of time. It could even be a film released in the 2000s, if you don't count some SFX issues typical of earlier films.
I wouldn't say Aliens 'suffers' from anything. It's a near-perfect film, as is Alien. They're just different. You wouldn't call the Wizard of Oz timeless as a film, it's as 1939 as 1939 gets, but the story and themes are universal. Same with Aliens.
Of course.
What I am saying is that Alien doesn't feel locked in a certain period of time. You couldn't tell it was made in a certain period by its style. Films like Aliens, or as another example, Predator, are immediately recognized as being 80s films.
Perhaps I should have used a different verb than "suffer", but you get the point.
Alien has the whole "you go off alone, we'll look way over here," Scooby Doo thing that many 70's and 80's horror had. It looks great though.
Yeah, of course Omega.
Not that you could make Alien today. It's practically an art film compared to the Hollywood standard these days.
If you copy bit-by-bit the whole thing, of course you can. It wouldn't bring anything fresh to see though, so there'd be no reason.
The 2006 Omen is a proof of that.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 24, 2011, 07:19:23 PM
Alien has the whole "you go off alone, we'll look way over here," Scooby Doo thing that many 70's and 80's horror had.
The only ones I could recall are Halloween and The Thing. You got any more examples?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 24, 2011, 07:25:05 PM
If you copy bit-by-bit the whole thing, of course you can. It wouldn't bring anything fresh to see though, so there'd be no reason.
The 2006 Omen is a proof of that.
What I mean is that if, theoretically, the world was exactly the same as it is now, only Alien had never been made (I won't go into the vastly sophisticated cause-and-effect Alien was obviously a part of) you could not make Alien as an original film today. There's a very specific aesthetic in that film that you don't see anymore, born out of Metal Hurlant and Lovecraft and the cinematic game changer that was Star Wars. It's not a dated film, but it clearly comes from a different set of sensibilities.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 24, 2011, 07:25:05 PM
If you copy bit-by-bit the whole thing, of course you can. It wouldn't bring anything fresh to see though, so there'd be no reason.
The 2006 Omen is a proof of that.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 24, 2011, 07:19:23 PM
Alien has the whole "you go off alone, we'll look way over here," Scooby Doo thing that many 70's and 80's horror had.
The only ones I could recall are Halloween and The Thing. You got any more examples?
ANOES and F13 continued the tradition, and those are the good movies.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 24, 2011, 07:19:23 PM
Alien has the whole "you go off alone, we'll look way over here," Scooby Doo thing that many 70's and 80's horror had. It looks great though.
Yeah, and a couple of other small things (score is what is truly dated tho, and the only thing from the movie that I flat out dont like. Goldsmith was a brilliant composer and his score to Basic Instinct is one of my faves, but in this movie most of the score contains plenty of typical 70s cues. Some moments are great tho), but I feel all 3 movies are in a very small way dated. Even Alien 3 - its depressing, its downbeat, and lets not forget early 90s was a Grunge era and was all about that. At the same time the first 2 defy their eras as well
You find the score to Alien dated? I think it's a masterpiece. I love the way that just as Scott divided artists to deal with the human technology and the Alien elements, Goldsmith created a score that is human (dramatic, stirring, emotional, terrifying) and just bizarrely alien. The music for the derelict/egg chamber sequence is the perfect match of visuals and audio - and the fact that those creepier 'alien' elements make a return to the score towards the end of the film is just one more element to admire in the artistic genius that is Alien. I'd say this was Goldsmith at the height of his creativity. It's certainly not something I consider dated at all.
Also on the issue of the 70's horror themes of going off alone, that's really only Brett isn't it? When he's looking for a cat and the worst he can expect to come up against is a little infant alien, only it turns out it wasn't quite so under developed as they were all assuming. I find that an acceptable reworking of a classic horror theme.
The score that kicks in as they chase after the facehugger's acid - yeah, that kinda throws me off a bit, it feels odd, if that's what you mean, StrangeShapes? The rest is gold for me. @Gash they do it later in the film do, Ripley goes off on her own twice. No big deal.
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 25, 2011, 08:47:04 AM
The score that kicks in as they chase after the facehugger's acid - yeah, that kinda throws me off a bit, it feels odd, if that's what you mean, StrangeShapes? The rest is gold for me.
That cue was from a completely different score, anyway. Still by Goldsmith. Freud, I think.
Same with the air vent sequence.
I adore Alien's soundtrack because it doesn't sound like a lot of other soundtracks -- and I really don't see what's dated or particularly "70s" about it. I've never heard another 70s film that sounded anything like Alien.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 25, 2011, 08:56:39 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Jan 25, 2011, 08:47:04 AM
The score that kicks in as they chase after the facehugger's acid - yeah, that kinda throws me off a bit, it feels odd, if that's what you mean, StrangeShapes? The rest is gold for me.
That cue was from a completely different score, anyway. Still by Goldsmith. Freud, I think.
That's it. It sounds like something Speilberg would use. As I've said, no biggie.
Again, Goldsmith score is great, but it does sound 70s. Heres just oneexample of the often used, typical 70s cues - 2:34 to 2: 53 from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rkQgzVEWDo# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rkQgzVEWDo#) is one of those full on 70s scores. Compare to 2:45 to 3:00 from 76's King Kong for an example - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpxPW_SB6iQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpxPW_SB6iQ#) Those are just quick and off the hat examples, they both sound 70s and for me the Goldsmith's score could be easily dated. Im a soundtrack buff and I listen to soundtracks all the time so maybe it sounds more apparent to me. Emphasis on same instruments, flute accents etc. But just listen to the music that starts playing during the credits, cmon, its so obviously 70s
Some parts I love, but most I honestly dont like much. Its the only thing that truly dates the movie, more so than the monitors, blinking lights room and Scooby Doo monster pose (Im talking about alien standing in front of Ripley with its arms spread out growling but not doing anything:
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Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 25, 2011, 01:07:21 PM
But just listen to the music that starts playing during the credits, cmon, its so obviously 70s
That wasn't composed for Alien either.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 25, 2011, 01:07:21 PM
Some parts I love, but most I honestly dont like much. Its the only thing that truly dates the movie, more so than the monitors, blinking lights room and Scooby Doo monster pose (Im talking about alien standing in front of Ripley with its arms spread out growling but not doing anything:
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Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jan 25, 2011, 06:32:10 PM
http://www.draculas.info/_img/gallery/nosferatu_83.jpg
To be fair, I think that shot is more comparable to the Alien 'floating' towards Lambert, [that's definitely a compliment!].
I don't share Strange Shape's particular criticism on that though.
Yeah, that's always what the 'gliding' shot reminds me of, Nosferatu in space. Hella creepy. It's so wrong, it's right.
I love the first three.
Alien, I feel is the most artistic of the bunch. It has a lot of clever subtexts that carry the film very well and propel it far beyond a B monster movie.
Aliens is a war film, and that is what makes it work so well. The scenery is the most spectacular out of any other film in the series, and the supporting cast is full of winners. Even Horner's score which he doesn't like is great. This film also got an Oscar nom for best actress, no small feet for a film in this genre.
Alien 3, a widely hated film, is one that I loved when I first saw it and I still do. The dark nature and the amazing setting seem so out of place and yet so appropriate for the series. Fincher should understand that he really did make a great movie.
I suppose since I watch Aliens the most, it would qualify as my favorite. For the sake of argument I will say that.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 25, 2011, 01:07:21 PM
But just listen to the music that starts playing during the credits, cmon, its so obviously 70s
Opening credits? Not buying it. Closing credits? Composed in the
1930s.
I hear the bit of music you point out ... and then hear that it turns into something completely different immediately after. It goes darker and lower.
If
Alien's soundtrack was used in a movie today, nobody in their right mind would say "Oh man, that's so 70s!".
Quote from: SiL on Jan 25, 2011, 09:26:01 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 25, 2011, 01:07:21 PM
But just listen to the music that starts playing during the credits, cmon, its so obviously 70s
Opening credits? Not buying it. Closing credits? Composed in the 1930s.
I hear the bit of music you point out ... and then hear that it turns into something completely different immediately after. It goes darker and lower.
If Alien's soundtrack was used in a movie today, nobody in their right mind would say "Oh man, that's so 70s!".
Fair eough, I think we can reach a settlement here. My point is that it does have those 70s bits which throw me off, but again, I want to point out that some parts I just love. The opening, Kane's funeral, Coccoon scene - those are brilliant
I'd say my favorite is Aliens. I really enjoyed the development of Ripley's character, and the marines were awesome [especially the "Game over, man!" one :laugh: Sorry, I've only seen it once :-X]! I've gotta see it again, the rewatchability is insane.
Then again, you can't beat the intensity of A L I E N (so intense that I fitted my username to match the title's sheer intensity :D). I swear when Ripley had to run through the ship alone toward the end I nearly fainted- the pacing was absolutely killer [er, no pun intended] and the music while subtle, gave me the chills and sold the creepy atmosphere perfectly. Also, the scene where Dallas(?) is in the air ducts was cringe-inducingly scary.
Hudson's the one you're thinking of.
Quote from: Joyfully Jumping Jessica on Jan 28, 2011, 06:50:18 PM
I'd say my favorite is Aliens. I really enjoyed the development of Ripley's character, and the marines were awesome [especially the "Game over, man!" one :laugh: Sorry, I've only seen it once :-X]! I've gotta see it again, the rewatchability is insane.
Then again, you can't beat the intensity of A L I E N (so intense that I fitted my username to match the title's sheer intensity :D). I swear when Ripley had to run through the ship alone toward the end I nearly fainted- the pacing was absolutely killer [er, no pun intended] and the music while subtle, gave me the chills and sold the creepy atmosphere perfectly. Also, the scene where Dallas(?) is in the air ducts was cringe-inducingly scary.
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Quote from: Joyfully Jumping Jessica on Jan 28, 2011, 06:50:18 PM
I'd say my favorite is Aliens. I really enjoyed the development of Ripley's character, and the marines were awesome [especially the "Game over, man!" one :laugh: Sorry, I've only seen it once :-X]! I've gotta see it again, the rewatchability is insane.
Then again, you can't beat the intensity of A L I E N (so intense that I fitted my username to match the title's sheer intensity :D). I swear when Ripley had to run through the ship alone toward the end I nearly fainted- the pacing was absolutely killer [er, no pun intended] and the music while subtle, gave me the chills and sold the creepy atmosphere perfectly. Also, the scene where Dallas(?) is in the air ducts was cringe-inducingly scary.
True dat
Quote from: Joyfully Jumping Jessica on Jan 28, 2011, 06:50:18 PM
I'd say my favorite is Aliens. I really enjoyed the development of Ripley's character, and the marines were awesome [especially the "Game over, man!" one :laugh: Sorry, I've only seen it once :-X]! I've gotta see it again, the rewatchability is insane.
Then again, you can't beat the intensity of A L I E N (so intense that I fitted my username to match the title's sheer intensity :D). I swear when Ripley had to run through the ship alone toward the end I nearly fainted- the pacing was absolutely killer [er, no pun intended] and the music while subtle, gave me the chills and sold the creepy atmosphere perfectly. Also, the scene where Dallas(?) is in the air ducts was cringe-inducingly scary.
We can get on very well, I think :laugh:
Awesome, people agreeing and stuff.
Step one- complete...
Careful, some of us haven't seen a woman in years...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 31, 2011, 05:00:55 AM
Careful, some of us haven't seen a woman in years...
Ch'yeah, I already briefed her on you.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 31, 2011, 05:00:55 AM
Careful, some of us haven't seen a woman in years...
and are making it too obvious.
;D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 31, 2011, 05:00:55 AM
Careful, some of us haven't seen a woman in years...
Neither have you, for that matter.
Spoiler
;)
It's been sooooooooooo long!!
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 31, 2011, 09:06:18 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 31, 2011, 05:00:55 AM
Careful, some of us haven't seen a woman in years...
Neither have you, for that matter.
Spoiler
;)
Ha! That was a good one guys
1- Aliens
2- Alien 3
3. Alien
4. A:R
(Like most people ;))
Personally, I would do it like this:
1. Alien
2. Aliens
3. Alien 3
4. Alien: Resurrection.
Although I enjoyed A3 as a film.
QuoteMy point is that it does have those 70s bits which throw me off, but again, I want to point out that some parts I just love.
Which bits are 70s?
Quote from: SM on Feb 20, 2011, 10:38:45 PM
QuoteMy point is that it does have those 70s bits which throw me off, but again, I want to point out that some parts I just love.
Which bits are 70s?
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 25, 2011, 01:07:21 PM
Again, Goldsmith score is great, but it does sound 70s. Heres just one example of the often used, typical 70s cues - 2:34 to 2: 53 from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rkQgzVEWDo# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rkQgzVEWDo#) is one of those full on 70s scores. Compare to 2:45 to 3:00 from 76's King Kong for an example - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpxPW_SB6iQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpxPW_SB6iQ#) Those are just quick and off the hat examples some out of many, they both sound 70s and for me the Goldsmith's score could be easily dated. Im a soundtrack buff and I listen to soundtracks all the time so maybe it sounds more apparent to me. Emphasis on same instruments, flute accents etc. The score contains many of the signature 70s score elements
Not hearing anything especially "70s" in Alien.
That bit of King Kong reminds me of an old western, or maybe a cue out of something like Zulu (oddly enough since it's the same composer). More 60s than 70s.
Alien then alien3 the rest are pretty lousy in my opinion
Quote from: xenophobe on Feb 27, 2011, 11:08:52 PM
Alien then alien3 the rest are pretty lousy in my opinion
So you didn't like Aliens at all?
Maybe I was a little OTT I like some of the sets and the opening sequence was very beautiful (the interior of the narcissus)
but Burke and the marines especially killed it for me an alien infestation could have been a neat idea but the one liners and hi fives ruined the vibe for me I know it's a popular movie but missed the Mark for me and I found it more disappointing and shallow than objectionable.I'll probably get flamed as it seems
disliking aliens is illegal here but that's my opinion
Quote from: xenophobe on Mar 01, 2011, 11:21:07 PM
Maybe I was a little OTT I like some of the sets and the opening sequence was very beautiful (the interior of the narcissus)
but Burke and the marines especially killed it for me an alien infestation could have been a neat idea but the one liners and hi fives ruined the vibe for me I know it's a popular movie but missed the Mark for me and I found it more disappointing and shallow than objectionable.I'll probably get flamed as it seems
disliking aliens is illegal here but that's my opinion
No it's cool I respect your opinion.
Quote.I'll probably get flamed as it seems
disliking aliens is illegal here but that's my opinion
If you'd been here more than five minutes you'd know otherwise.
Finished Friday with the Anthology.
Alien - 10/10
Aliens - 10/10
Alien3 - 9/10
Alien: Resurrection - 9.5/10
There are two 'blocks' in the Alien saga. First is composed of Alien and Aliens - the Masterpiece and his perfect sequel. Absolutely wonderful, never exhausting, classic films. Love them both in different ways - with Alien being only slightly better. They're that kind of films that give you so many feelings, so many thoughts, that you aren't always able to express them all, because you love them so much.
The second block is composed of Alien3 and Alien: Resurrection. Alien3 has a lot of things going for it as it has a lot of things that don't - wasted characters like Newt and Hicks (yes, this again!), or even Clemens, who was the most interesting of the characters in the film besides Ripley, and got nommed way before he could be developed properly. For the rest though, the film's got a very dramatic feel and works most of the times.
Alien: Resurrection is slightly better than Alien3 and represents an incredibly strong metaphor against genetic engineering, other than featuring a very clever twist - Ripley, resurrected, literally, finds herself closer to the Aliens against her will, and ironically, regains her human feelings through her relationship with Call, an android, that is more human than the humans.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 05, 2011, 02:14:10 PM
Alien: Resurrection is slightly better than Alien3 and represents an incredibly strong metaphor against genetic engineering, other than featuring a very clever twist - Ripley, resurrected, literally, finds herself closer to the Aliens against her will, and ironically, regains her human feelings through her relationship with Call, an android, that is more human than the humans.
Word.
Rez really ain't as daft as people percieve it to be. It's a geat 'full circle' story arc for Ripley. She runs from the monster in the first film, faces it in the second, is ultimatley killed by it in the third and
becomes it in the fourth.
Quote from: War Wager on Mar 05, 2011, 04:55:13 PM
Rez really ain't as daft as people percieve it to be.
Yeah! People frequently list along the other things they dislike about the film 'Black Comedy', but there's practically none during the film! There's a single scene in the film that can be defined as such, that being Perez's death, and it's no worse than Andrews' demise in
Alien3.
Alien: Resurrection is all
but daft, and takes itself very seriously.
Quote from: War Wager on Mar 05, 2011, 04:55:13 PM
It's a geat 'full circle' story arc for Ripley. She runs from the monster in the first film, faces it in the second, is ultimatley killed by it in the third and becomes it in the fourth.
Precisely. It's a very twisted irony that works on a very subtle level. And the most ironic thing (notice the wording) is that she regains her humanity and her common sense not through a human - but through an
Android! It's mind-blowing if you think of it.
In fact, as a side note, this time around I catched some nice subtleties that didn't understand previously. For example, Purvis and Wren's death - Wren 'put an Alien inside Purvis', condemning him to a horrible death, and he kills him
by putting an Alien inside him. It's a very subtle irony right there.
Then there are the one-liners. I really miss those in Alien. Kane dies, and then a wise-cracking truck driver goes like "I guess he couldn't stomach it".
It would have ruined the scene. Alien wasn't supposed to be comedic like that. Humour in that film was unintentional, I found. Ash spinning around violently and squealing isn't supposed to be comical because a major revelation occurs, but it just is.
To you.
Plenty of people shit bricks when it happened (His head coming off got just as many, if not more, people during the original release as the chest bursting).
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 05, 2011, 06:39:33 PM
Alien: Resurrection is all but daft, and takes itself very seriously.
I'm all opposed to unnecessarily bashing AR as the next guy, but what is this shit honestly.
Paraphrasing, but;
"Waste'a f**kin' ammo! Must be a chick thing."
"Who do I have to f**k to get off this boat" -- "I can get you off. Maybe not the ship."
"My code is E-A-T-M-E."
"I can't believe I almost had sex with that." - "Yeah, like you never f**ked a robot."
AR doesn't take itself seriously. At all. Having a few themes doesn't mean you're all srs bsness. There's never a sense of urgency or threat, or that anyone's in danger, if only because after every life-threatening situation we're subject to two minutes of Whedon tough-guy talk and posturing.
Jeunet's direction doesn't help either. He's an excellent director, but he's much too stylised for this type of story. Any time someone talks about the film being daft I guarantee they'll also be thinking about his use of a large zoom-in (Well, push in, as the camera itself is moving) on a character during certain critical events -- Vriess being bled on, or Wren being choked, or Purvis about to go, etc. That sort of style typically just
feels silly, especially given the content matter. It's too showy, too cartoonish; something that's painfully obvious when watching AR after any of the others.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 05, 2011, 10:30:51 PM
It would have ruined the scene. Alien wasn't supposed to be comedic like that. Humour in that film was unintentional, I found. Ash spinning around violently and squealing isn't supposed to be comical because a major revelation occurs, but it just is.
You're the only one who thinks it is, I don't even know how that could even be unintentionally funny.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 05, 2011, 10:30:51 PM
It would have ruined the scene.
That was my point. Turns out the Internet
still isn't the optimal medium for transitting sarcasm.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Mar 05, 2011, 10:57:40 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 05, 2011, 10:30:51 PM
It would have ruined the scene. Alien wasn't supposed to be comedic like that. Humour in that film was unintentional, I found. Ash spinning around violently and squealing isn't supposed to be comical because a major revelation occurs, but it just is.
You're the only one who thinks it is, I don't even know how that could even be unintentionally funny.
Ask around. I guarantee I'm not the only who found that scene funny.
BULLSHIT!
Says you, woman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15cpQD5qEzI# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15cpQD5qEzI#)
Quote from: SiL on Mar 05, 2011, 10:45:31 PM
"Waste'a f**kin' ammo! Must be a chick thing."
"Who do I have to f**k to get off this boat" -- "I can get you off. Maybe not the ship."
"My code is E-A-T-M-E."
"I can't believe I almost had sex with that." - "Yeah, like you never f**ked a robot."
First line just demonstrates (to me, at least) that Johner knows f**k all of the pain Ripley just experienced - he's the kind of character that doesn't care for the others, and that line simply reinforces that he's an asshole. Like, Ripley just experienced and excruciating pain, and he says
that??
Second line is sarcasm - replied with a facepalm worthy statement (and that's part of the character of Johner, he's a cocky asshole)
Elgyn's code isn't anything wrong - and nothing worse than the Marine jokes in
Aliens or some lines in
Alien3.
Fourth line is, again, part of Johner's character, and sarcasm.
It's very subjective. That's how I see it anyway. :P
Quote from: SiL on Mar 05, 2011, 10:45:31 PM
AR doesn't take itself seriously. At all.
And that's for you I guess.
Clones, Newborn, deaths of Elgyn and Christie, 'death' of Call, dialogues between Call and Ripley in the chapel... nah, it doesn't take itself seriously!
Much like photographs, films can inspire different emotions, different thoughts - and what I've said is what
Alien: Resurrection inspires me. There's very few things I don't like, and that's why it doesn't get the maximum rating from me.
Regarding the zoom-in I can agree it feels a bit different from what we've seen before, undoubtely, fact that it is
silly on the other hand, not very much. Or, at least, I didn't really think it was. :-\
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2011, 12:15:51 PM
First line just demonstrates (to me, at least) that Johner knows f**k all of the pain Ripley just experienced - he's the kind of character that doesn't care for the others, and that line simply reinforces that he's an asshole.
Yes -- and in doing so, undermines the mood set up by the scene. As does Call's punching Wren in the face. The movie follows up one of its few emotional sequences with a one-liner clearly intended to draw a laugh from the audience and another quick part intended to make the audience laugh and cheer. Any kind of serious emotional investment is immediately lost.
Intentionally.
That's not a movie taking itself seriously.
QuoteClones, Newborn, deaths of Elgyn and Christie, 'death' of Call, dialogues between Call and Ripley in the chapel... nah, it doesn't take itself seriously!
You're right, it doesn't -- it throws in a one-liner or a lame joke or some forced reference at
every opportunity during any scene which might lend the movie a serious tone. At every turn it tries to goad the audience into laughing or cheering when we should be going "Ohshit monsters" or giving a crap about the characters.
Besides, I don't see how the cloning aspect means the movie is taking itself seriously, and the shoddy handling of the Newborn speaks volumes to a tacked-on third-act boss fight "just because".
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2011, 09:39:35 PM
Yes -- and in doing so, undermines the mood set up by the scene.
Subjective. For me, makes only the character an asshole. We are shown prior that Johner is - and that's only a reinforcement.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2011, 09:39:35 PM
As does Call's punching Wren in the face.
Not anything worse than Ripley punching one of the prisoners after they attempted to rape her in
Alien3. That was supposed to take a laugh as well - as other moments in the film are, like Andrews' demise, or the jokes between the Prisoners. Does that mean the film does not take itself seriously?
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2011, 09:39:35 PM
when we should be going "Ohshit monsters" or giving a crap about the characters.
Underwater sequence, Elgyn's death, Christie's, 'Call's', Clones scene, Newborn birth and other examples - 'Ohshit Monsters' and 'giving a crap', all in there. Or at least from me - as said, films are photographs.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2011, 09:39:35 PM
Besides, I don't see how the cloning aspect means the movie is taking itself seriously,
Grotesque aspect of the clones, dramatic close-ups of Ripley, heart-breaking music.... no, nothing I guess, it's nothing serious, or trying to tell you something.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2011, 09:39:35 PM
and the shoddy handling of the Newborn speaks volumes to a tacked-on third-act boss fight "just because".
And that's another point we disagree a lot in - I didn't find the handling of the Newborn 'shoddy', could've been better in some ways, yes, but for me, 'shoddy' is an exaggeration. For the time the Newborn was onscreen, it was handled greatly.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 06, 2011, 10:14:09 PM
Not anything worse than Ripley punching one of the prisoners after they attempted to rape her in Alien3.
Entirely different context. Had Ripley punched Wren, it would've been fine, because she has every right to -- just like she had every right to smack Junior in the face after getting control taken from her. Wren's smug look, followed by Call doing the punching, is a cheap joke, especially followed by Johnner's line.
QuoteDoes that mean the film does not take itself seriously?
And again, differently handled -- and better, in
Alien³'s case, as the jokes don't come as the punchline of a scene, like in
Resurrection. They ease tension usually just before someone's brains becomes a six-foot long smear on the floor.
QuoteElgyn's death
See "forced reference".
Quote'Call's',
Never had a shit to give. But that's subjective.
QuoteNewborn birth
Not really "oh shit monsters" so much as "what the f**k is this shit".
QuoteGrotesque aspect of the clones, dramatic close-ups of Ripley, heart-breaking music.... no, nothing I guess, it's nothing serious, or trying to tell you something.
There's a difference between saying "clones" and "clone scene". And as I
keep saying, that scene is immediately undermined by a double-hit of lame comedy.
A handful of serious beats throughout the film does not make up for the fact that the rest of the movie, and the payoff of much of those scenes, is a parade of bullshit caricature posturing and Whedon one-liners.
QuoteAnd that's another point we disagree a lot in - I didn't find the handling of the Newborn 'shoddy', could've been better in some ways, yes, but for me, 'shoddy' is an exaggeration.
Hardly. You don't throw something like that out of left field -- it's just shitty writing. There is literally no suggestion that anything like this is going to happen, no foreshadowing, nothing -- and then it just appears.
Aliens at least had the characters speculate that there was some hitherto unseen larger creature; it planted the thought in the audience's mind and then gave a payoff.
Simply pulling the Newborn out of their ass was an atrocious way of going about it and flat-out terrible writing.
SiL vs OmegaZilla ... when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object :P
Resurrection did take it self seriously. Just not often enough. And when it really did it well - like the chapel scene - the best bits got edited. As much as I dig the film, stuff like the "must be a chick thing" does undermine the clone scene.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2011, 10:27:21 PM
Call doing the punching, is a cheap joke
What's the... punchline (see what I did there? ;D) behind this joke?
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2011, 10:27:21 PM
Not really "oh shit monsters" so much as "what the f**k is this shit".
'What the f**k is this shit' followed by 'oh shit Monster!'. :P
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2011, 10:27:21 PM
that scene is immediately undermined by a double-hit of lame comedy.
The scene had already been done with. It's not undermined at all if you ask me - and that's subjectivity, again, because I take the aftermath of the clone scene through a different key of reading. What I've always got out of that line is 'what an idiot Johner is', I didn't laugh, nor cheer, or anything. It's a line right after one of the most excruciating moments in the
Alien series, I
can't laugh.
Besides, there's also a small sequence thereafter which shows Ripley leaning on a wall (which is most probably intended to refer to the previous scene - nothing's certain, but that's what I always took it as).
Quote from: SiL on Mar 06, 2011, 10:27:21 PM
There is literally no suggestion that anything like this is going to happen, no foreshadowing, nothing -- and then it just appears.
While I agree that they could've set up the mine at the beginning (or 1/3 through) and then blow it up at the climax, that take wasn't necessarily 'shoddy', as it has the (
subjective) value of being, by all means,
unexpected. During the film there are practically none hints at the thing, you don't know it will appear until when it does. When the Queen is giving birth to the new creature you don't know what's going on, you're confused, and then - the
reveal. It's a powerful scene - shows the unpredictability of the actions of those unscrupulous people, and serves as a nice, 'grotesque' counterpart of a Woman giving birth -
Resurrection follows closely sex and birth undertones, there are other examples throughout the film, and the very score, according to composer John Frizzel, wanted to underline the subject.
As a closing line, I know that
Alien: Resurrection isn't devoid of comedic moments - none of the
Alien films are, after all - but what I am saying is that I think it's not daft, it's not stupid or overly self-teasing, or overly out-of-the-set-line as a lot of people make it out to be.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 07, 2011, 02:03:00 PM
'What the f**k is this shit' followed by 'oh shit Monster!'. :P
Except it spends half its screentime making baby eyes. It's way more "WTF" than "Oh no".
QuoteThe scene had already been done with.
Except it hadn't. Ripley torches Number 7 and walks out, and the scene and everything it set up is still going. And then before we go to the next scene we get Call punching Wren's smug face and Johnner acting like a douche. The scene's not done with until we cut to the next one.
Quotethat take wasn't necessarily 'shoddy', as it has the (subjective) value of being, by all means, unexpected.
No, dude; it's shoddy writing. This is not what I think. That's what it is. You don't pull something like that out of nowhere right at the end of your movie. You're throwing a massive curveball at the audience and leaving them scratching their head when they should be shitting their pants.
The Queen has
one line of dialogue earlier in the movie, but it's enough to make her appearance seem like a natural thing to do. The Newborn literally pops up in the third act and heyo, we're expected to give a shit or feel threatened by it.
This is bad writing, any way you cut it.
As I've been saying for years (after nicking the idea from someone else) - they should've stumbled across the Queen dead, which not only flags the presence of the boss monster, it creates tension among the characters and audience wondering what the hell could kill a Queen.
Whether the payoff of the reveal of the Newborn in it's current form would've worked.... ehhhh... dunno.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2011, 09:49:08 PM
Ripley torches Number 7 and walks out, and the scene and everything it set up is still going. And then before we go to the next scene we get Call punching Wren's smug face and Johnner acting like a douche. The scene's not done with until we cut to the next one.
I take that.
Remains that I do not feel that those two things undermine the scene. I've never laughed at either, the first being just a thing I pass over with (without any real thing behind it except for Call being pissed off at Wren for what he has done - or to just give him the proper payment after Ripley decided to not roast him) and the second being something that allows me to identify Johner as a douche.
Besides, if those two moments are really comedy (as said, they'd be next to a ginormously emotional moment, I never laughed at them or felt they were supposed to give off a laugh), why'd they be enough to undermine the precedent scene? It's like saying that a good part of the major scenes in
Lord of the Rings are ruined by some of Gimli's lines and dialogues with Legolas (which they aren't, at least for me).
Quote from: SiL on Mar 07, 2011, 09:49:08 PM
we're expected to give a shit or feel threatened by it.
...Experienced both. *Shrugs*
The threatment of the Newborn could've been better in some ways, but for what we got, I'd say that it was held off well.
The only film I have yet to see is Resurrection and honestly I am in no rush to see it. But probably will sometime in the near future just to complete the series. My favorites are either Alien or Aliens. Alien has the suspense edge but Aliens is more exciting, thrilling, and action. As well as the Colonial Marines! So give a slight edge to the 1986 masterpiece Aliens!
Quote from: DarkenedWolf on Mar 09, 2011, 12:02:35 AM
The only film I have yet to see is Resurrection and honestly I am in no rush to see it. But probably will sometime in the near future just to complete the series. My favorites are either Alien or Aliens. Alien has the suspense edge but Aliens is more exciting, thrilling, and action. As well as the Corporal Marines! So give a slight edge to the 1986 masterpiece Aliens!
Only three of the marines were corporals - you didn't like the others?
Quote from: DarkenedWolf on Mar 09, 2011, 12:02:35 AM
As well as the Corporal Marines! So give a slight edge to the 1986 masterpiece Aliens!
Colonial Marines, for future reference. :P
Misworded it. No need to have a couple people point it out.
Mm, internet pedanticism.
Had one person make a joke, and another actually corrected it.
Mm, mountain out of a molehill.
Mountain? Mound more like. Moving on.
And the hyperbole is missed! :P
Quote from: DarkenedWolf on Mar 09, 2011, 08:23:22 PM
Misworded it. No need to have a couple people point it out.
Just giving you the correct name, man.
My order is
Aliens
Alien
Alien Resurrection
Alien 3
The reason I prefer Aliens over Alien is because I like Sci-fi action/adventure movies for then sci-fi horror movies.
I thought Alien 3 was a load of garbage, I'm okay with them killing Hicks, Newt and Bishop, but their deaths should have been handled alot better, also the characters in Alien 3 are nowhere near as good as the characters in the first two movies.
I guess Alien 3 is a fine movie overall, but as a sequel to Aliens, its terrible.
And alot of fans seem to hate Resurrection, but I actually like it, pretty good movie until the Newborn comes in.
Aliens, Alien3, Alien then Alien resurrection.
My favorites in order
Alien
Aliens
Alien Res.
Alien 3
Quote from: Sgt. Apone on Apr 10, 2011, 08:58:39 PM
My favorites in order
Alien
Aliens
Alien Res.
Alien 3
Hey, that's my precise order too. ;)
1 - Alien
2 - Alien 3
(...big gap...)
3 - Aliens
4 - A:R
Aliens because it brought more action in the Franchise.
That's like saying you love eating soup with a fork.
Quote from: First Blood on Apr 16, 2011, 05:24:35 PM
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That gif...damn that's nice.
Quote from: Mus on Apr 16, 2011, 05:19:38 PM
That's like saying you love eating soup with a fork.
I eat soup with a fork all the time.
Quote from: lozzy.94 on Apr 16, 2011, 04:33:02 PM
Aliens because it brought more action in the Franchise.
Thats a common misconception which I think is a misconception really, since it doesnt have more action than Alien. It has the same amount, , with the only difference being that the action is larger in scale. The pacing structure of the 2 is virtually the same - Nothing happens in the first 2/3 of the movie except for one major event (chestbursting/hive attack) that takes the story onto different track (trying to survive alien/s, panic and planning). For the last 1/3 it's a non stop action and fast pace in contrast to the rest of the movie. Both are pressed for time before the mass explosion at the end, Both have a false/double ending, in both we dont see an alien until hour into the movie. In both we know only as much as the characters.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 17, 2011, 05:46:18 AM
Thats a common misconception which I think is a misconception really, since it doesnt have more action than Alien. It has the same amount, , with the only difference being that the action is larger in scale.
There's your answer.
No grenades or weapons firing in
Alien.
Alien,
Aliens and,
Alien³ in one bracket.
Alien: Resurrection in another bracket.
The first three defined the franchise and expanded on the establishment.
The 4th one, sabotaged the fame and name of the franchise and the only thing I like about it is the Aliens' intelligence and behavior. But I can still watch the movie numerous times.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 17, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 17, 2011, 05:46:18 AM
Thats a common misconception which I think is a misconception really, since it doesnt have more action than Alien. It has the same amount, , with the only difference being that the action is larger in scale.
There's your answer.
No grenades or weapons firing in Alien.
Still, there no MORE action and its not ACTION packed. The action is bigger in scale, but theres no more than in Alien. Most of the movie is just doing nothing, its all tension and sitting barricaded. As in Alien
I wouldn't say it's action PACKED, but action is definitely the emphasis, whereas in Alien the emphasis is on suspense and then a quick kill. Aliens is about the suspense and then the long, drawn out battle for survival - action. It definitely introduced this to the series.
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 18, 2011, 02:04:35 AM
Aliens is about the suspense and then the long, drawn out battle for survival - action.
Which is what Alien is as well - long suspense and tension, and the once Ripley finds Lambert and Parker dead, its a non stop tense action till the end, which also, like in Aliens, is set up against time. Its trying to escape the location and alien/s which is about to blow, then making a run in the ship and finding out the alien left with you and eventually using the airlock to get rid of it. Same stuff, just grander in nature in Aliens
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2011, 02:32:23 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 18, 2011, 02:04:35 AM
Aliens is about the suspense and then the long, drawn out battle for survival - action.
Which is what Alien is as well - long suspense and tension, and the once Ripley finds Lambert and Parker dead, its a non stop tense action till the end, which also, like in Aliens, is set up against time. Its trying to escape the location and alien/s which is about to blow, then making a run in the ship and finding out the alien left with you and eventually using the airlock to get rid of it. Same stuff, just grander in nature in Aliens
Except that's the end of the movie which, although explosive, features a character running down a corridor. That's as actiony as Alien gets. Aliens has weaponry and all sorts of characters actively fighting for survival. That is a whole new level of action. Aliens has suspense, yes, but it also has balls-to-the-wall action. Even Cameron himself yells about this. I don't think anyone involved with Aliens has actually said that the movie is pretty much as actiony as Alien. Aside from the claxxons blazing on the Nostromo, I don't think Alien gets anywhere as nearly wild as Aliens does.
Yeah, but my point is that theres no more action than in Alien, its just bigger action
I don't think so. What's comparable to the Hive ambush or the Operations attack? Not a couple of half-second flashes of the original Alien, surely?
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 18, 2011, 04:22:31 AM
I don't think so. What's comparable to the Hive ambush or the Operations attack? Not a couple of half-second flashes of the original Alien, surely?
Chestbursting was equivalent to hive attack because it was the first "action" sequence which drastically raised the blood pressure and which took the story to a different path, setting up what the movie will be about now - survival, planning, reactions of the characters. Operation ambush=Dallas in vents, it was inspired by it too with the whole motion tracker thing and not knowing which direction the aliens are coming from. Again, same amount of action, just bigger in scale
Except the escape in the vents in Aliens = Dallas in the vents. Also, surely the chestbursters would be equivalent -- Alien's scene ends immediately after, Aliens continues into a much broader piece.
What's the equivalent of Ripley going back to the hive?
Interestingly there are only about six major sequences and one minor-but-important sequence in either involving the Alien -- hugger, burster, Brett, Dallas, Parker/Lambert, air-lock at the end, Ripley in the shuttle; derelict, hive attack, sentry guns, operations/vents, Newt, Ripley in the hive and Ripley vs. Queen. But to say that they have the same amount of action is like saying Aliens has the same amount of action as a movie with just two people talking, but seven times one of the characters stands up and sits back down.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 18, 2011, 04:47:56 AM
Except the escape in the vents in Aliens = Dallas in the vents. Also, surely the chestbursters would be equivalent -- Alien's scene ends immediately after, Aliens continues into a much broader piece.
What's the equivalent of Ripley going back to the hive?
Its basically a twist on Ripley going back to turn off the self destruct system - you have the voice reminding that the place is gonna blow, steam and warning lights everywhere, the place going apeshit and even Jerry's score when alien/queen reappears
QuoteInterestingly there are only about six major sequences and one minor-but-important sequence in either involving the Alien -- hugger, burster, Brett, Dallas, Parker/Lambert, air-lock at the end, Ripley in the shuttle; derelict, hive attack, sentry guns, operations/vents, Newt, Ripley in the hive and Ripley vs. Queen. But to say that they have the same amount of action is like saying Aliens has the same amount of action as a movie with just two people talking, but seven times one of the characters stands up and sits back down.
Well lets not clutch to words. I dont mean the exact same that we can count seconds, but I mean its certainly not any major or big shift or action packed. It
more or less has the same amount of action and same pacing structure as ALien
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2011, 01:30:31 AM
Still, there no MORE action and its not ACTION packed. The action is bigger in scale, but theres no more than in Alien.
And no ONE said it was ACTION packed. Lozzy just said it brought MORE action. Which it DID. :P :laugh:
The action is indeed bigger in scale and also lasts longer. See beneath...
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2011, 04:36:36 AM
Chestbursting was equivalent to hive attack
In terms of 'first event', indeed. But the hive attack lasts incredibly longer, don't you think? All the action sequences last longer - and they are action sequences. There are not marines with guns firing in
Alien. No grenades. No vehicle sequences. No mecha VS Boss Alien.
There's nothing wrong in saying that
Aliens has more action than
Alien, really. It does, but who cares? This fact really doesn't downgrade it, as
Aliens certainly isn't one of those SHOOT-AND-BOOM (who-cares-for-the-rest) films. It isn't about the action only, but it does have more than
Alien. :)
The point again is it doesnt and we're not talking about counting second, I tihnk my last 2 posts in this thread explained it best. It hits the same beats, just on bigger drums. I think calling it action packed or an action movie is a disservice - of course, theres nothing wrong with action movies, but action movies' focus is action, theyre built around it, they rely on it. Aliens relies on tension and through most of the movie its just sitting, dealing with the situation and stress and fear. For me at least thats where the essence and meat of the movie is, not shooting big guns. Theyre great but they just accent the story, not the other way around
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2011, 01:36:39 PM
and we're not talking about counting second,
Whole sequences are hardly 'seconds'.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2011, 01:36:39 PM
It hits the same beats, just on bigger drums.
The beats are very, very similar - however there's no real counterpart in
Alien for scenes such as Ripley VS Queen, or the Dropship explosion, or the long run of the APC. There are bigger counterparts and complete additions. And it is totally warranted. It has to be original somehow, no?
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2011, 01:36:39 PM
I think calling it action packed or an action movie is a disservice
No one,
again, called it action-
packed. Just that it has more than
Alien. Bringing more 'action' =/= being a complete action film, too.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 18, 2011, 01:52:03 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2011, 01:36:39 PM
and we're not talking about counting second,
Whole sequences are hardly 'seconds'.
I didnt mean that literally. Perhaps "time" would be a better word
QuoteThe beats are very, very similar - however there's no real counterpart in Alien for scenes such as Ripley VS Queen, or the Dropship explosion, or the long run of the APC. There are bigger counterparts and complete additions. And it is totally warranted. It has to be original somehow, no?
It IS original, but originality or not has nothing to do with it. The point is action is similar in meaning and structure and theres more or less the same amount of it. Queen vs Powerloader is basically Ripley vs Alien in Narcissus - both movies had a double ending, and in both it appeared it wasnt over when it seemed like it was over after a big explosion. If someone thinks Im talking about repetetive scenes, thats not what Im talking about at all. Im talking about the amount of action sequences (and not the lenght of them either) and how they impact and flow with the story. Again, in both Alien and Aliens, nothing happens for half of the movie, its just a buildup. Then one major event happens (Chestbursting in Alien, Failed hive attack in Aliens) which changes the course of the story (from planned return home/mission) into survival story. Then for a very long time nothing happens again for a long time aside from occasional small inserts (Brett&Dallas killed, Sentry Gun & facehuggers scenes), and then when the action starts (Ripley starting self desruc system, Ripley going back for Newt) with timer on to the explosion, it never releases till the explosion happens (Nostromo explodes, Hadley's Hope vaporized), then after a brief sight of relief it appears its not the end yet (Kane's son/Queen stowed in the ship) and last fight for survival commences after which the creature is hurdled into space.
So its not like Aliens is Rambo and loaded with action. It has the same pacing/structure and amount of action scenes as Alien
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2011, 02:09:08 PM
The point is action is similar in meaning and structure and theres more or less the same amount of it.
More. :P
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2011, 02:09:08 PM
Queen vs Powerloader is basically Ripley vs Alien in Narcissus
Kind'a no, because Ripley never phisically fights the Alien. It's a strategy on her side. With the Queen, she's literally bitchslapping her with the powerloader. It's a ground-down
clash of (Wo)man and beast. The plot point is similar, but the execution is an action scene.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2011, 02:09:08 PM
Then one major event happens (Chestbursting in Alien, Failed hive attack in Aliens) which changes the course of the story (from planned return home/mission) into survival story. Then for a very long time nothing happens again for a long time aside from occasional small inserts (Brett&Dallas killed, Sentry Gun & facehuggers scenes), and then when the action starts (Ripley starting self desruc system, Ripley going back for Newt) with timer on to the explosion, it never releases till the explosion happens (Nostromo explodes, Hadley's Hope vaporized), then after a brief sight of relief it appears its not the end yet (Kane's son/Queen stowed in the ship) and last fight for survival commences after which the creature is hurdled into space.
Skeletal structure is similar, yeah, but flesh and muscles are another way around.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2011, 02:09:08 PM
So its not like Aliens is Rambo and loaded with action.
*Inhale*
I didn't say it waaaaaaaas. :D
It just has more than
Alien. More Action =/= Rambo levels of Action.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 18, 2011, 02:25:47 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2011, 02:09:08 PM
The point is action is similar in meaning and structure and theres more or less the same amount of it.
More. :P
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2011, 02:09:08 PM
Queen vs Powerloader is basically Ripley vs Alien in Narcissus
Kind'a no, because Ripley never phisically fights the Alien. It's a strategy on her side. With the Queen, she's literally bitchslapping her with the powerloader. It's a ground-down clash of (Wo)man and beast. The plot point is similar, but the execution is an action scene.
As I said, I dont mean repeating the scenes verbatim, That would make no sense. But both have alien stowing on a ship and then Mano-e-mano fight. Sure, one is on a much larger scale, but its still fight with an alien ending with an airlock exit. So again, Alien has as much action as Aliens, just scaled down. What happens in Narcissus IS action. So I dont agree that Aliens has considerably more action or is action
packed. I know you didnt say it but Im just talking in general, since I hear that 'packed' term used often
QuoteSkeletal structure is similar, yeah, but flesh and muscles are another way around
I think a good way to express it would be to say that while yes, they have different muscles and flesh, one doesnt have more bones than the other. Just that one is built like a weightlifter and one isnt
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2011, 02:33:03 PM
But both have alien stowing on a ship and then Mano-e-mano fight.
There wasn't any fight in
Alien. Ripley pulled the Alien's ass outta the mechanisms, opened the door, smashed the Alien's chest, blew him out with the thrusters. End. There wasn't any phisical confrontation - which was there in
Aliens. From the same root, the fruit is different.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2011, 02:33:03 PM
What happens in Narcissus IS action.
Of a different kind than what we see in
Aliens, clearly not the same thing. That's what one can mean with 'more action'. Because the action in
Aliens has guns and explosions in good quantity. That's what people recognize as action.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2011, 02:33:03 PM
I know you didnt say it but Im just talking in general, since I hear that 'packed' term used often
I know and it's annoying sometimes, making it sound like that
Aliens relies on the guns when it does not - it's a generalization.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 18, 2011, 05:33:23 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2011, 02:33:03 PM
But both have alien stowing on a ship and then Mano-e-mano fight.
There wasn't any fight in Alien. Ripley pulled the Alien's ass outta the mechanisms, opened the door, smashed the Alien's chest, blew him out with the thrusters. End. There wasn't any phisical confrontation - which was there in Aliens. From the same root, the fruit is different.
Again, it doesnt have toi be a mirror repetition. Physical or not, Ripley vs Alien one-on-one took place in Alien, and the point of all this is that there was also a one-on-one fight of Ripley with the Queen in Aliens. Whether theyre identical or not or technically physical or not doesnt matter, what matters is that there WAS such confrontation which goes back to the point that Aliens didnt suddenly inject tons of action since the amount of action, the meaning of the action and its flow and place in the story is the same
QuoteQuote from: StrangeShape on Apr 18, 2011, 02:33:03 PM
What happens in Narcissus IS action.
Of a different kind than what we see in Aliens, clearly not the same thing. That's what one can mean with 'more action'. Because the action in Aliens has guns and explosions in good quantity. That's what people recognize as action.
But thats not what action is. action doesnt equal or require weapons and big scale, action is a series of tense events,
activity
I think you're ignoring the fact that there are scales of action. Crossing the road is action, running down the street is action, and combating a 14 foot tall Alien in a powerloader is action - all different degres. One is surely more bombastic and exciting than the other. Your point seems to stem from a dislike of the words 'action packed,' or at least other people's perception of it. But balking at calling Aliens an action film because of an apparent stigma on the genre is akin to saying Alien isn't horror, all because the genre is overpopulated by screaming teens. But Alien is a horror movie, and Aliens is action-orientated. James Cameron and Gale Hurd practically scream this in the docs. It's not something you can contest.
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 19, 2011, 01:48:11 AM
I think you're ignoring the fact that there are scales of action.
Absolutely not, I even repeated a few times that Aliens has action on a bigger scale, but Im saying it doesnt have "more" action. More not as in bigger, more as in plot consisting of primarily or substantially more scenes with activity than Alien, which as I compared before, is not the case. They have the same structure skeleton, only the muscles are beefed up in Aliens, but the body is the same
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 19, 2011, 01:52:22 AM
Absolutely not, I even repeated a few times that Aliens has action on a bigger scale, but Im saying it doesnt have "more" action. More not as in bigger, more as in plot consisting of primarily or substantially more scenes with activity than Alien, which as I compared before, is not the case. They have the same structure skeleton, only the muscles are beefed up in Aliens, but the body is the same
Aliens definitely has
more action than Alien, same 'structure' or beats aside. It's not even an argument. Again, where is the Hive attack equivalent in Alien? A quick flash of the Alien snatching Brett? Or the dropship crash and tunnel sequence? Not comparable to the Dallas vent sequence in any way. Same trope, yeah, but absolutely not the same in action, length-wise, kintecism-wise, any-wise. This is a strange position to argue. You're even arguing with the director himself, who prided the fact that Aliens was such a U-turn from Alien, as well as the many people who praised the movie for its direction.
Wait, we're talking about slightly different things I see since youre asking if chestbursting is like the major hive attack - again, I do acknowledge that the action is grander in scale, that theres more happening within the action sequences, but what Im saying is that there are no
more action sequences
QuoteSame trope, yeah, but absolutely not the same in action, length-wise, kintecism-wise, any-wise. This is a strange position to argue
That Im not arguing at all
If you have two cakes, and the other one's bigger, is there not more of the other cake?
Quote from: Mus on Apr 19, 2011, 10:51:14 PM
If you have two cakes, and the other one's bigger, is there not more of the other cake?
No. Its still one cake, even if bigger. Its still the same amount of cakes, just as theres the same amount of action in Alien and Aliens, even tho its bigger in one of them
Eh? The last 40 minutes of Aliens is one long action sequence, with a couple of brief pauses. The last 40 minutes of Alien - isn't.
Just because there's always stuff happening in Alien doesn't make it an action flick. Ripley interrogating Mother and later Ash aren't what anyone would call 'action' sequences. Ripley running down corridors with flashing lights and smoke and not knowing if the Alien is around the next corner - are.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 20, 2011, 01:18:59 AM
Quote from: Mus on Apr 19, 2011, 10:51:14 PM
If you have two cakes, and the other one's bigger, is there not more of the other cake?
No. Its still one cake, even if bigger. Its still the same amount of cakes, just as theres the same amount of action in Alien and Aliens, even tho its bigger in one of them
So 12 and 27 are the same amount, because both have two digits.
Quote from: SM on Apr 20, 2011, 01:38:32 AM
Eh? The last 40 minutes of Aliens is one long action sequence, with a couple of brief pauses. The last 40 minutes of Alien - isn't.
Just because there's always stuff happening in Alien doesn't make it an action flick. Ripley interrogating Mother and later Ash aren't what anyone would call 'action' sequences. Ripley running down corridors with flashing lights and smoke and not knowing if the Alien is around the next corner - are.
Im not saying Alien is an action flick. But like in Aliens, last 40 minutes IS nonstop activity aka action. Ripley/Parker vs Ash IS action. Again, action doesnt equal weapons, its hightened activity
Sitting talking about continuing with Dallas' plan isn't heightened activity, not is Ripley talking to Mother, nor is Ripley talking to Ash. It's all interesting but very static. There's no movement.
Compare it to Aliens where it barely stops up from when Ripley and Newt are attacked by the huggers right to the end.
Quote from: SM on Apr 20, 2011, 03:26:17 AM
Sitting talking about continuing with Dallas' plan isn't heightened activity, not is Ripley talking to Mother, nor is Ripley talking to Ash.
Talking? No, but the subsequent fight is
Again. Im talking about the amount of action sequences (and not the length or scale or amount of events within the action sequences of them either) and how they impact and flow with the story.
To make it as simple as possible
ALIEN
- nothing happens for half of the movie, its just a buildup
- Then one major event happens (1).Chestbursting in Alien, which changes the course of the story into a different track, from planned return home into survival story
- While the characters are sitting thinking what to do next, nothing happens for a while again aside from 2 relatively brief action inserts - (2). Brett's death which alters the events even futher, showing that the alien is now big and lethal forcing them to alter plans and figure something new out and (3). Dallas' vents accident, which alters their plan again and makes them rethink their next move
- Then the crew realizes one of them was trying to sacrifice them to obtain the alien, trying to kill them to shut their mouth and not intervene, so (4).Ash tries to kill Ripley
- then the action that doesnt let go till the end starts after (5). Parker and Lambert get attacked and killed,
- (6). Ripley goes back into the bowels of the dying, alarming ship with timer closing in to the explosion that will vaporize it. Takes Jonesy and barely makes an escape from the exploding location
- After a brief sight of relief it appears its not the end yet, as it appears that Alien stowed in the ship, and (7).last conflict/fight for survival commences between Ripley and the alien after which the creature is hurdled into space.
ALIENS
- nothing happens for half of the movie, its just a buildup
- Then one major event happens (1). Marines ambushed in the hive in Alien, which changes the course of the story into a different track, from planned rescue mission into survival story
- While the characters are sitting thinking what to do next, nothing happens for a while again aside from 2 relatively brief action inserts - (2). Ferro's and Spunkmeyer's deaths, which alter the events even further forcing them to alter plans and figure something new out and Atmosphere Processor starting to vent, which alters their plan again and makes them rethink their next move. (3). Sentry gun sweep happens
- Then the crew realizes one of them was trying to sacrifice them to obtain the alien, trying to kill them to shut their mouth and not intervene, so (4).Burke traps Ripley and Newt with 2 loose facehuggers
- then the action that doesnt let go till the end starts after (5). Vasquez, Hudson, Burke and Gorman get killed in Operations ambush,
- (6). Ripley goes back into the bowels of the dying, alarming Atmosphere Prcessor with timer closing in to the explosion that will vaporize it. Takes Newt and barely makes an escape from the exploding location
- After a brief sight of relief it appears its not the end yet, as it appears that Queen stowed in the ship, and (7).last conflict/fight for survival commences between Ripley and the Queen after which the creature is hurdled into space.
Point being, theres a bigger and louder action in Aliens, but theres not MORE action sequences in Aliens, its not like it suddenly packed the franchise with action and like if in Alien nothing happened
No one's saying there's no action in Alien. There's just a shitload more in Aliens.
It's like comparing a couple of setpieces Resurrection and AvP. In Resurrection you have the Alien breakout and evacuation, and the flooded kitchen/ liftwell. In AvP you have Grid vs. Predator and Queen vs. Lex and Predator. The flooded kitchen/ lift well scene goes for longer than both major 'versus' bits of AvP combined, so one can argue there's more action in Resurrection.
And you missed the first major bit of Alien with Kane getting hugged, which occurs about a third of the way into the film. With all the stuff you outlined for Aliens you've glossed over the fact that points 4, 5, 6 and 7 all run into each other.
With Alien after point 4, they stop for another 'dialogue' scene and talk to Ash. And the rest of it is quite different from Aliens where you have Aliens coming left right and centre, where in Alien is more 'suspense' than 'action' because you're wondering if the Alien is going to come from the left, right or centre.
I dont know if its miscommunication or simple disagreement, but I just dont have anything else to ad really without being repetitive. The amount of action is more or less the same, whether its bigger or smaller. Its roughly 7 action sequences in each
QuoteAlien is more 'suspense' than 'action' because you're wondering if the Alien is going to come from the left, right or centre.
I always say Alien relies on suspense (where is it gonna come from) while Aliens relies on tension (you dont know if the doors will hold)
How is suspense any different from tension? You're left with the feeling of "What if?" in both situations.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 20, 2011, 04:23:31 AM
How is suspense any different from tension? You're left with the feeling of "What if?" in both situations.
Theyre often together, sure, but with suspense you more often dont know whats gonna happen and fi its gonna happen at all, for example the crew members walking alone in the dark - Bret gets killed alone, Parker doesnt, something may happen or not, something may jump put from somewhere or not at all. Tension is usually when something's happening and you dont know the outcome, all you can do is watch, hence the door holding up example
I dunno. Like Doom, I'm not seeing a difference.
As for the amount of action being the same, you clearly have quite a different definition of the word "action" when it comes to movie terminology.
Forgot to address this too
Quote from: SM on Apr 20, 2011, 04:14:00 AM
With all the stuff you outlined for Aliens you've glossed over the fact that points 4, 5, 6 and 7 all run into each other.
With Alien after point 4, they stop for another 'dialogue' scene and talk to Ash.
Its just one delay between 4 and 5, otherwise its "go till the end" non stop action
You know, if one action scene lasts 5 seconds, and another lasts 3 minutes, there's still more action in the latter sequence even though they're both action sequences. You can't count all of the action scenes, say they're equal numerically, and then draw the line there. Aliens is absolutely action-packed in comparison, despite arguably sharing the same amount of action-specific scenes.
Quote from: SM on Apr 20, 2011, 04:29:10 AM
I dunno. Like Doom, I'm not seeing a difference.
It depends on perception, like the whole "great lengths" debate
QuoteAs for the amount of action being the same, you clearly have quite a different definition of the word "action" when it comes to movie terminology.
Not really, the definition of action is heightened activity, I think the disagreement here lies in the word "more" because I see you guys keep answering different things. Im talking about the amount of action sequences, you guys are talking about the scale and amount of the events within the action sequences
Yeah, I wouldn't call Parker and Lambert loading up coolant and Ripley looking for Jones to be 'action' sequences of any measure against the action sequences of Aliens. By that definition, them walking through the Derelict is an action sequence.
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 20, 2011, 04:31:19 AM
Aliens is absolutely action-packed in comparison, despite arguably sharing the same amount of action-specific scenes.
And thats really all Im saying and I agree with this sentence
Quote from: SM on Apr 20, 2011, 04:33:38 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't call Parker and Lambert loading up coolant and Ripley looking for Jones to be 'action' sequences of any measure against the action sequences of Aliens. By that definition, them walking through the Derelict is an action sequence.
No, but facing the Alien or Ash trying to kill Ripley
is action
StrangeShape, no double posting please. Just edit your previous post.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 20, 2011, 04:37:48 AM
StrangeShape, no double posting please. Just edit your previous post.
My bad, its just that for some reason this evening I cant edit my posts on this board. Nothing happens when I click save
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 20, 2011, 04:34:24 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 20, 2011, 04:31:19 AM
Aliens is absolutely action-packed in comparison, despite arguably sharing the same amount of action-specific scenes.
And thats really all Im saying and I agree with this sentence
I'm sure you said at some point thought that Aliens doesn't have more action than Alien. Maybe it has the same number of sequences you can call action, but they're at the opposite ends of the action spectrum, with one ultimately dedicating more time and attention to action than the other, despite sharing 'beats'.
I'm flummoxed.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 20, 2011, 04:35:16 AM
Quote from: SM on Apr 20, 2011, 04:33:38 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't call Parker and Lambert loading up coolant and Ripley looking for Jones to be 'action' sequences of any measure against the action sequences of Aliens. By that definition, them walking through the Derelict is an action sequence.
No, but facing the Alien or Ash trying to kill Ripley is action
Not disputing that. It's all the stuff in between.
On a different note, while watching Aliens last night it occurred to me that LV-426 has a retrograde rotation. When Newt says "It'll be dark soon" etc and they watch the sunset, the AP Station is to right of frame. The AP Station is south of the colony therefore Z2R is setting in the east.
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 20, 2011, 04:46:47 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 20, 2011, 04:34:24 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 20, 2011, 04:31:19 AM
Aliens is absolutely action-packed in comparison, despite arguably sharing the same amount of action-specific scenes.
And thats really all Im saying and I agree with this sentence
I'm sure you said at some point thought that Aliens doesn't have more action than Alien. Maybe it has the same number of sequences you can call action, but they're at the opposite ends of the action spectrum, with one ultimately dedicating more time and attention to action than the other, despite sharing 'beats'.
I'm flummoxed.
Im just saying it has the same amount of action sequences, but I thought thats also the same as saying "same amount of action", therefore making the statement "more action" incorrect
It's not the same, Ade.
Well, if its not I see where the miscommunication originates from then
Why would anyone interpret "More action" as just meaning more action scenes? ???
Quote from: SiL on Apr 20, 2011, 05:58:43 AM
Why would anyone interpret "More action" as just meaning more action scenes? ???
bah, you guys must forgive me, English is my second language
Oh.
Perfectly valid reason. What's your first?
Quote from: SiL on Apr 20, 2011, 06:09:48 AM
Oh.
Perfectly valid reason. What's your first?
Polish, although I do live in the States for few years but I still have some lose ends to tie as you can tell
I'd say I'm amazed at how well you can write English, but then I remember Joseph Conrad.
Friggin' self-taught Pole reinventing English literature grumble mutter
Well, to be fair Im here for a couple of years already
Quote from: SiL on Apr 20, 2011, 06:16:45 AM
I'd say I'm amazed at how well you can write English, but then I remember Joseph Conrad.
Friggin' self-taught Pole reinventing English literature grumble mutter
You sound jealous, lol
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 20, 2011, 06:18:40 AM
Well, to be fair Im here for a couple of years already
You have an amazing accent though. I mean, I've heard Poles speak English, and you can tell they're Polish. You sound like an Austrian :laugh: No offense.
With so many new members. And being its "Easter" season. I thought a mention of the "ALIEN Easter Egg" ;)
Ooops... ::) my appologies :P
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=29789.msg652304#msg652304 (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=29789.msg652304#msg652304)
one more time ;) :D
The link doesn't lead anywhere. :(
Quote from: Valaquen on Apr 20, 2011, 05:23:01 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 20, 2011, 06:18:40 AM
Well, to be fair Im here for a couple of years already
You have an amazing accent though. I mean, I've heard Poles speak English, and you can tell they're Polish. You sound like an Austrian :laugh: No offense.
None taken (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alienexperience.com%2Fgallery%2Falbums%2Fuploads%2Ffilms%2Faliens%2Fscreenshots%2FAliens_71.JPG&hash=1d187e88b5e3d201770507f6eaba795dd2220426)
:D Everyone says that tho, that I have an Austrian accent - well, thats the result of my efforts to shake off the Polish accent which I did, and as a side effect developing a new one that sounds like neither Polish nor American!
Like someone said all the four movies are dated in a way.Alien has the spooky-creepy 70s thriller going on,Aliens is a balls to the wall 80s action flick,Alien 3 is a depressing and cruel film that almost plays like a long Nirvana video and Resurrection feels like typical late 90s-early 00s shock and edgy humor show.
Alien is still the least dated though.
My favourite one is Aliens because well you gotta have marines fighting those xenomorphs, they just click man. Like pizza and cheese.
Aliens for me, everything about it is the kind of stuff I loved as a kid and still do and probably will for the rest of my life. Cool monsters, space marines fighting said monsters, futuristic weapons, robots/mecha (still don't know what to classify the PL :laugh:), and a squad of ultimate badasses, all mixed together to form the kind of movie I can watch over and over without getting tired of it. Not a lot of movies do that to me.
They said that Alien (1979) had a lot of sex scenes in it. Is that true?
Who exactly is "they", the government? :P
But to answer your question, no.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 13, 2011, 05:29:55 PM
Who exactly is "they", the government? :P
But to answer your question, no.
Like my friend from california and my other friends. They said that they had sex scenes on the movie. I guess they're wrong.
There's a scene in which it's implied the Alien rapes Lambert, but it's left open to interpretation.
Not really implied, fans just read too much into the scene.
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jul 13, 2011, 08:02:12 PM
Not really implied,
Except by some of those who made the scene. But what would they know.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 13, 2011, 10:22:53 PM
Quote from: Sharp Sticks on Jul 13, 2011, 08:02:12 PM
Not really implied,
Except by some of those who made the scene. But what would they know.
I see just the opposite, which is no implication of rape at all - http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/03/principle-players-cast-character.html. (http://alienseries.blogspot.com/2011/03/principle-players-cast-character.html.) It seems like the implication is that she either died from a heart attack and /or got so banged up trying to escape or hide in the locker
"Some" being the key word. Ridley seems more than open to the idea.
I remember it differently. Ill just quote Valaquen:
QuoteScott also dismissed the claim that the Alien was interested in the crew sexually. I mean, it wanted to use them as a means for reproduction, but it wasn't sexual, if you get my meaning [Lambert 'rape']. Can't find the quote right now, it's on my blog somewhere.
What I was going to say, too, I remember that the actual intention was that Lambert died of fear.
Plus, 10 seconds of rape? Now that's a record.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 14, 2011, 09:05:09 AM
What I was going to say, too, I remember that the actual intention was that Lambert died of fear.
Plus, 10 seconds of rape? Now that's a record.
He was only a few days old could have been a premature ejaculator. ;)
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jul 14, 2011, 09:00:34 AM
I remember it differently. Ill just quote Valaquen:
QuoteScott also dismissed the claim that the Alien was interested in the crew sexually. I mean, it wanted to use them as a means for reproduction, but it wasn't sexual, if you get my meaning [Lambert 'rape']. Can't find the quote right now, it's on my blog somewhere.
He didn't rape her in the sense that KS thought Lambert was hot. He raped her in the same way a facehugger face-rapes its victims.
So he implanted an Alien embryo in her womb? Kinky.
Sure.
ALIEN, i love the mistery, terror, and the gigerezque elements, tha characters, good performance, the design of the alien, very biomechanoid, i like that.
secon place aliens, yeah the action is good and the surprise of the queen.
third place A:resucrection, i like the gore and black humor of that movie.
last place alien3 i know the production troubles and the foking stupid ideas by fox, poor fincher, but i dont like a3 so much, the special edition is better(except the ox bursting) but i still preffer the others.
Well after watching alien again it has passed aliens for favorite alien movie. I guess, I never truly respected it as much until now.
people picked resurrection? :'(
To tell you the truth at one point I really liked resurrection....... those were dark days.
first step to recovery is admitting the problem
ALL OF THEM.
But if you make make me choose...
-- Alien (and) Aliens
-- Alien: Resurrection
-- Alien 3
I could never choose between the 1st and 2nd films. It flips back and forth... the first one is soooo gooood and done sooooo well. The second one is great too with all the action and adventure. I just really enjoy Alien:Res, so many good parts! And i've just never really enjoyed the 3rd as much as the others... not sure why...
Aliens, but its so close. I really love Alien but the inclusion of Colonial Marines edged it out. Barely.
Favorite is Aliens, slightly off topic, whats the name of the song in this trailer and what movie is it from?
http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/usermovies/334214 (http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/usermovies/334214)
I always loved that song, I would love to know the name as well. :)
Favorite Alien movie?
ALL OF THEM!!!1!
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I love the first three Alien movies equally. I like Aliens a little bit more though. You understand more about these creatures and how they work as a hive. I loved Alien and Alien 3 just the same. Alien is where we discover about the Alien and know it's capacity. Alien 3 is where the film gets dark but still remains faithful. Even though, I disliked the fact they killed off Newt, Hicks and blown Bishop into smitherings. Alien Resurrection...well, "Shit Happens.."
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Sep 30, 2011, 05:56:40 PM
I love the first three Alien movies equally. I like Aliens a little bit more though. You understand more about these creatures and how they work as a hive. I loved Alien and Alien 3 just the same. Alien is where we discover about the Alien and know it's capacity. Alien 3 is where the film gets dark but still remains faithful. Even though, I disliked the fact they killed off Newt, Hicks and blown Bishop into smitherings. Alien Resurrection...well, "Shit Happens.."
My thoughts exactly, Im the same way
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Sep 30, 2011, 05:56:40 PM
I love the first three Alien movies equally. I like Aliens a little bit more though. You understand more about these creatures and how they work as a hive. I loved Alien and Alien 3 just the same. Alien is where we discover about the Alien and know it's capacity. Alien 3 is where the film gets dark but still remains faithful. Even though, I disliked the fact they killed off Newt, Hicks and blown Bishop into smitherings. Alien Resurrection...well, "Shit Happens.."
Agreed. :)
I voted for Alien, but really I love the first two equally. I like the third one despite it's flaws and I would say the fourth is... okay-ish.
its a tie between alien and alien 3 for me
It's a tie between A L I E N and A L I E N : The Director's Cut for me.
Aliens is my favorite. Alien and Alien3 are a tie for me.
Aliens
Aliens my favorite, then Alien...Alien 3-4 not so much
Aliens because it has the perfect mix of action, character development, horror and awesomeness.
For me, it's a close tie between ALIEN and ALIENS, but ALIEN wins it.
ALIEN is just so intriguing and beautiful. The Nostromo is basically a character in itself... what an awesome set. Then there's the character development, the awesome acting (they even talk over eachother like in real life), etc. You don't see many movies with such a small cast, let alone a successful one. Then there's the fact that this was the introduction of the ALIEN as a franchise. You don't know what's going to happen.... the plot just keep shifting into something else until you have this FREAK creature going around picking everyone off. It really captures the horror the crew was going through, and gives you a realistic perspective. All the little plot details really just make the film seem more real. You get little random events instead of conveniently just placing the Alien into the plot... first there's the derelict, the space jockey, then the plot swerve with Ash, etc. Even the landing on LV-426 doesn't go as planned. Today in Hollywood, you really don't get plot devices like this, and instead you just see a plot that moves too quickly into the main point and theme it's trying to make, detracting a lot of realism from its story. The concept of the derelict in ALIEN is very bizarre, the fossilization, etc. The directors could have taken the easy route and just have the Nostromo crew discover the eggs on the planet, instead we get all these other details which are a lot more like how an alien discovery could actually take place in real life. It feels like a real space expedition on a foreign planet. And much more could be added to the analysis of what a great movie ALIEN is.
ALIENS is great too, but more straight forward.
Alien3 and Resurrection aren't too good. I used to like Alien3 but I'm beginning to think it sucks. AVP I thought was "OK".... I haven't fully watched AVPR yet. I tried watching it the other day but couldn't even get through it. I could go watch it now, but instead I think I'm gonna go make some popcorn and a milkshake, and watch ALIEN.
So...
1. ALIEN
2. ALIENS
(big gap)
3. AVP
4. ALIEN3
5. ALIEN RESURRECTION
6. AVP: R
why the f**k do people hate Alien3? past the egg on Sulaco i Don't see any problem with the film,
in fact it's an excellent film and i like it as much as Aliens
Quote from: Basher917 on Oct 30, 2011, 02:45:52 AM
why the f**k do people hate Alien3? past the egg on Sulaco i Don't see any problem with the film,
in fact it's an excellent film and i like it as much as Aliens
Same. I
used to hate it, but I don't hate it now.
I chose Aliens, though this film and its original predecessor occupy exactly the same parts in my heart. I just have seen them in reverse chronology first, and that's why.
What about Alien^3 and A:R - I don't consider them such realistic, influential, perturbing and ...carrying simple and positive ideas, as Alien and Aliens have within. I simply don't take them serious :-)
I love the all out war of Aliens, the chilling suspense of Alien and the Dark Horror of Alien 3, I really can't choose between them! however Alein Resurrection does have elements of being a great movie! its a shame Ripley 8 didn't have a slap down with an Alien, that would have made the movie!!
Quote from: Ripley7 on Nov 01, 2011, 11:04:31 AM
its a shame Ripley 8 didn't have a slap down with an Alien, that would have made the movie!!
I think she did rip off the inner-mouth of an Alien. That's enough violence for me.
Quote from: Ripley7 on Nov 01, 2011, 11:04:31 AM
its a shame Ripley 8 didn't have a slap down with an Alien, that would have made the movie!!
That would have made the film even dumber than it already was. Thank God it didn't happen.
Even though I feel the original Alien is superior to all, my favorite to watch is Aliens. It has it all; action, suspense, plot, etc.
I used to dislike Alien 3, but after watching it when it was first released on VHS I grew to like it. However after growing up and learning more and more about it, I've once again fallen into the dislike (but not hate) the movie. The biggest thing for me, is the situation with the alien seems to play second fiddle, which wasn't the case in the previous two movies.
Wow, I'd hate to be that movie. :(
Aliens is my favorite although alien is one of the few movies to ever actually scare me. Then again I was only a kid when I saw it. Alien 3 was quite good if only it was a stand alone movie imo. Alien resurrection... meh I still watch it. I also liked the avp and avpr movies. I honestly don't know why people get so grumpy over them. imo they're not canon to either franchise but just good old entertainment. Oh ok, I thought the acting was lame in both of them but that's not the creatures fault. I really hope they complete the trilogy with the 3rd film.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 18, 2011, 01:12:30 PM
Aliens is my favorite although alien is one of the few movies to ever actually scare me. Then again I was only a kid when I saw it. Alien 3 was quite good if only it was a stand alone movie imo. Alien resurrection... meh I still watch it. I also liked the avp and avpr movies. I honestly don't know why people get so grumpy over them. imo they're not canon to either franchise but just good old entertainment. Oh ok, I thought the acting was lame in both of them but that's not the creatures fault. I really hope they complete the trilogy with the 3rd film.
Welcome to the Forum!
And yeah, I pretty much agree with everything you said. I just don't think there will be a 3rd AVP film.... if there is, it probably won't be for like 10 years, and then it will be a stand-alone film that won't follow the first two.
Yeah, all the movies can be entertaining. And I also view Alien3 that it would have been better as some stand-alone film that doesn't take place within any given franchise. I love the art work in it, the prison colony, etc. It's quite unique. But it should have been some other vicious creature, not a Xenomorph. It could have been an Emmy-award winning film.
But I do get angry over the films, because they tend to screw up the continuity of the first two. There's all these lame events like Hicks and Newt being killed, Ripley being cloned, etc. Most of it uses too convenient of plot-devices which is just typical Hollywood, and it doesn't make sense. So it can be quite insulting to the realism and brilliance of the first two films.
Alien Resurrection, Alien 3, Aliens, Alien..
My favorite alien film is Alien Resurrection regardless the trash talking people give it.. its still my favorite.
If you guys ask me, AVP killed Alien and AVP:R nailed the coffin shut. And 'The Collector', why do you like the Alien films the most back-to-back? Alien or Aliens are usually considered fan-favourites.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Nov 24, 2011, 07:47:15 PM
If you guys ask me, AVP killed Alien and AVP:R nailed the coffin shut. And 'The Collector', why do you like the Alien films the most back-to-back? Alien or Aliens are usually considered fan-favourites.
idk... Alien Resurrection was my favorite.. really loved the Newborn and the story of it. Alien 3 was my second favorite because of the plot and the alien.
Quote from: The Collector on Nov 24, 2011, 08:05:12 PM
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Nov 24, 2011, 07:47:15 PM
If you guys ask me, AVP killed Alien and AVP:R nailed the coffin shut. And 'The Collector', why do you like the Alien films the most back-to-back? Alien or Aliens are usually considered fan-favourites.
idk... Alien Resurrection was my favorite.. really loved the Newborn and the story of it. Alien 3 was my second favorite because of the plot and the alien.
A L I E N is the all time favorite nothing can beat it! :D
I can say A:R had better acting than AVP:R for certain, but they both lacked a great story. While the Newborn wasen't such a bad idea, it looked terrible. It took away most of the Alien's features; Acidic blood (although it dosen't really bleed, the hole in the glass didn't melt as his insides were going through), an inner jaw and an exoskeloten. One could say that while the entire body is endo, his head is exo. Im glad they scrapped the original idea to have mixed genetilia too. Alien 3 was pretty good but was more of a darker film than the previous ones, which I liked.
If we want to get really technical, my favorite alien movie is Close encounters of the Third kind.
I have two favorites. Alien and Aliens. To me one is not better than the other. They are both great in their own ways.
Quote from: Gunflyer on Nov 30, 2011, 11:58:42 PM
If we want to get really technical, my favorite alien movie is Close encounters of the Third kind.
Yeah but, y'know ... ;)
Funny that someone said that the thing they liked most about Ressurection was the newborn, when that's the thing I hated most about it. It lacks the menace of the original creatures and frankly just looks stupid. And people are allowed to have opinions as long as they discuss them in a civalized manner. Just because many of us dislike Ressurection doesn't label us as "trash talking."
Aliens, Aliens, Alien 3... uh... umm... yeah... that's my order.
Quote from: PredatorSlayer on Dec 02, 2011, 02:26:17 AM
Aliens, Aliens, Alien 3... uh... umm... yeah... that's my order.
There were two movies names Aliens?
Quote from: BobGrill on Dec 01, 2011, 12:24:11 AM
Funny that someone said that the thing they liked most about Ressurection was the newborn, when that's the thing I hated most about it. It lacks the menace of the original creatures and frankly just looks stupid. And people are allowed to have opinions as long as they discuss them in a civalized manner. Just because many of us dislike Ressurection doesn't label us as "trash talking."
I'll tell you what I did like about Alien Resurrection was the Newborn ripping off the face of the Queen Alien. But then again, the birthing of such a creature makes no damn sense at all. How the hell does a Queen Alien have a uterus? Then again even though that makes sense it is interesting and a little mind-blowing.
The queen from Aliens would have ripped that thing a new one.
A L I E N
Quatermass and the Pit
War of the Worlds (George Pal)
The Andromeda Strain
1. 'Alien'
2. 'Alien 3'
3. 'Aliens'.
The third one has the most rewatch-value, in my opinion, but the vent and egg-morph scenes in the first film make it a brilliant horror movie, in my opinion.
In Order (with reason):
1. "Alien" because of the atmosphere and set design - 9/10 (Favorite)
2. "Aliens" because of the smart move by James Cameron to change theme into an action movie - 9/10
3. "Alien 3" because they killed off Newt and Hicks, another smart move by filmmakers - 7.5/10
4. "Alien: Resurrection" because of the music and weird-looking set design created by a fantastic artist - 7/10 (Least Favorite)
Until now it was Aliens but right now it looks like a cartoon so i prefer Alien³. It's grittier and more dramatic. + It has some scary moments like the first Alien.
Quote from: georgeromero on Dec 12, 2011, 07:42:56 PM
It has some scary moments like the first Alien.
Does it? Not in my copy :P
Well, it seems like i have a different "copy". The one that's scarier and darker than Aliens.
So long as you enjoy it.
Quote from: Valaquen on Dec 12, 2011, 07:43:59 PM
Quote from: georgeromero on Dec 12, 2011, 07:42:56 PM
It has some scary moments like the first Alien.
Does it? Not in my copy :P
Not in me both, *sighs*, but you know, tastes differ and have a trend to change, sometimes ;)
Aliens. No contest. Not only is it my favourite of the franchise but its my favourite movie ever and has been since I was about 13. I'm in a constant state of indecision over just who is going to be the future Mr. Springsteensgirl - Hicks or Hudson?
My Nan's bought me a book on Ellen Ripley for Christmas. BEST. NAN. EVER.
In fairness I think the Predator movies should be included. On that basis, and i know this is going to sound crazy but my favorite Alien movie is Predators. Sorry, I'm just really partial to those guys. ;D
... the f**k ???
You're right - it does sound crazy. And more besides.
Quote from: Gunflyer on Dec 15, 2011, 07:10:52 AM
In fairness I think the Predator movies should be included. On that basis, and i know this is going to sound crazy but my favorite Alien movie is Predators. Sorry, I'm just really partial to those guys. ;D
Well this thread is exclusively for the Alien franchise.
What? Predators AREN'T Aliens? Because if we wanted to be more specific, and I'm sorry if this sounds too anal, but maybe the thread should have been titled Favorite Xenomorph Movie.
'Cept there's no movie called Xenomorph. The IS one called Alien, however. Perhaps you've heard of it?
And Predators aren't Aliens. They are aliens, however. There's a distinction.
Quote from: Gunflyer on Dec 16, 2011, 02:28:29 AM
What? Predators AREN'T Aliens? Because if we wanted to be more specific, and I'm sorry if this sounds too anal, but maybe the thread should have been titled Favorite Xenomorph Movie.
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Quote from: Gunflyer on Dec 16, 2011, 02:28:29 AM
What? Predators AREN'T Aliens? Because if we wanted to be more specific, and I'm sorry if this sounds too anal, but maybe the thread should have been titled Favorite Xenomorph Movie.
Xenomorph means "alien shape", so if you're going to continue being anal, that still includes Predators.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 16, 2011, 04:48:32 AM
Quote from: Gunflyer on Dec 16, 2011, 02:28:29 AM
What? Predators AREN'T Aliens? Because if we wanted to be more specific, and I'm sorry if this sounds too anal, but maybe the thread should have been titled Favorite Xenomorph Movie.
Xenomorph means "alien shape", so if you're going to continue being anal, that still includes Predators.
Even the term 'E.T.s' would include both Aliens and Predators.
And E.T.
And hell, the Alien is a predator, so that means....
What the hell does that mean?
Quote from: Gunflyer on Dec 16, 2011, 02:28:29 AM
What? Predators AREN'T Aliens? Because if we wanted to be more specific, and I'm sorry if this sounds too anal, but maybe the thread should have been titled Favorite Xenomorph Movie.
Stop being a smart ass and playing word games with us. You know what we meant. This thread is in the section titled "ALIEN FILMS", implying that any thread in this section is supposed to be related to the Alien films.
It should be quite obvious that 'Alien' with capital 'A' is a term used to indicate the antagonist species in the Alien films.
Don't feed the troll guys.
May this be heard by all!
Quote from: BobGrill on Dec 16, 2011, 05:14:45 AM
Stop being a smart ass and playing word games with us. You know what we meant. This thread is in the section titled "ALIEN FILMS", implying that any thread in this section is supposed to be related to the Alien films.
I sincerely apologize.
alien, alien³, aliens, and that '97 sci-fi monster movie
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 16, 2011, 08:03:17 PM
It should be quite obvious that 'Alien' with capital 'A' is a term used to indicate the antagonist species in the Alien films.
Don't feed the troll guys.
But now I'm thinking... both are aliens AND predators.
Nothing makes sense anymore! It's all confusion, chaos, anarchy!
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Dec 17, 2011, 07:16:15 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Dec 16, 2011, 08:03:17 PM
It should be quite obvious that 'Alien' with capital 'A' is a term used to indicate the antagonist species in the Alien films.
Don't feed the troll guys.
But now I'm thinking... both are aliens AND predators.
Nothing makes sense anymore! It's all confusion, chaos, anarchy!
*screams, waves arms, then runs and jumps out nearest window.*
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Dec 17, 2011, 07:16:15 AM
But now I'm thinking... both are aliens AND predators.
Presence of, respectively, capital A and capital P should erase any doubt.
Sarcasmz. SpaceMarines haz it.
Aliens
Alien
Alien 3
alien resurrection
Anyone who chooses alien 3 or alien resurrection as their first favorite alien movie is out of their minds.
Alien 3 still is a pretty decent sequel.
Quote from: Alien Jockey on Dec 25, 2011, 01:01:51 AM
Aliens
Alien
Alien 3
alien resurrection
Anyone who chooses alien 3 or alien resurrection as their first favorite alien movie is out of their minds.
A lot of people here are on the Alien 3 bandwagon. I too love it far more than most, though i do rank it behind the first two. Together they make for a great trilogy. Shame about Resurrection. And i'm not hating on AR; only that it feels less & less like a sequel and more & more like an offshoot.
Alien
Alien 3
Aliens
Alien: Resurrection
Alien
Alien 3
Aliens
Resurrection
Alien
Alien 3
Aliens
Alien Resurrection
Judging by which films I've seen the most...
Aliens
Alien
Alien Resurrection
Alien 3
I agree about the perfect trilogy statement. Alien 3 was a good way to end the story. I'd like to give this film a more in depth review sometime. It is not a bad movie by any means, I personally quite like it. The problem is when you come right down to it, IT'S JUST NOT AS GOOD AS THE FIRST TWO. I typed that in caps because I think that is really the bottom line when it comes to that film. It's pretty much the last good Alien film. However it just doesn't have the same appeal as the first two movies.
"favorite alien movie?"
ALL OF THEM
I rank them in the order they were released.
Aliens then alien then alien 3 then alien res but I would rather watch them in order
I used to like Aliens a fair bit, but now the more I think about it the more I see wrong with it.
1. Alien
2. Alien 3
3. Aliens
4. Alien Resurrection
Each have a predominant, central "theme" of some kind:
Alien (Suspense)
Alien 3 (Drama)
Aliens (Action)
Alien Resurrection (Bizarre)
my favorites would have to be Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, and last and surely least A:R. The series sure went downhill by the end. :(
Quote from: QuantumSheep on Jan 23, 2012, 02:51:06 AM
I used to like Aliens a fair bit, but now the more I think about it the more I see wrong with it.
1. Alien
2. Alien 3
3. Aliens
4. Alien Resurrection
Each have a predominant, central "theme" of some kind:
Alien (Suspense)
Alien 3 (Drama)
Aliens (Action)
Alien Resurrection (Bizarre)
Hmmm, good point. I never really noticed that!
Anyway for me:
Alien/Aliens
Alien Res
Alien3
Its really hard for me to choose between Alien and Aliens... i REALLY like them both... but i might have to tip more toward the 1st is i really had to choose :) As for Alien3... i love it! but just never was really as crazy about it as i was the others... dunno why...
Quote from: SizzyBubbles on Feb 03, 2012, 08:33:04 PM
Its really hard for me to choose between Alien and Aliens... i REALLY like them both...
Exactly my situation. ;D
Quote from: aliennaire on Feb 04, 2012, 10:22:18 PM
Quote from: SizzyBubbles on Feb 03, 2012, 08:33:04 PM
Its really hard for me to choose between Alien and Aliens... i REALLY like them both...
Exactly my situation. ;D
RIGHT?! Life is hard...
Alien 3
Alien
Aliens
Quote from: Basher917 on Feb 09, 2012, 03:09:21 AM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Feb 09, 2012, 02:54:27 AM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 09, 2012, 02:49:25 AM
Alien 3
Alien
Aliens
WOW
What? He just stated how much he liked each movie in order from 1st to 2nd to 3rd.
Yes I know this just saying WOW thats all....I am free to state my opinion about someones opinion.
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Feb 09, 2012, 03:24:36 AM
Quote from: Basher917 on Feb 09, 2012, 03:09:21 AM
Yes I know this just saying WOW thats all....I am free to state my opinion about someones opinion.
I never said that!
Obviously impressed by lists ;D
Quote from: QuantumSheep on Jan 23, 2012, 02:51:06 AM
Each have a predominant, central "theme" of some kind:
Alien (Suspense)
Alien 3 (Drama)
Aliens (Action)
Alien Resurrection (Bizarre)
Actually thats more a genre then a theme. Theme would be more like:
Alien - Rape??
Aliens - Family mother/daughter "would you go into the pits of hell to save your daughter"
Alien 3 - Sacrifice
Alien Res - What makes us human
Now having said that I find it most interesting that the film that has the least in it in terms of themes is Alien, and the most is probably Alien 3. Now I don't like Alien 3 BECAUSE of it's theme and I quite like Alien despite it's lack of one.
As far as Alien Res is concerned - I don't think it was executed as well as it could have been and ultimately it was quite poor.
And Aliens - I think had the best theme (personal taste) out of all of them and was executed better then any of them.
ALIEN over all. Though my ranking list goes like this:
Alien
Alien³: Assembly Cut
Aliens
Alien Resurrection
Alien then Aliens, followed by Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection.
Alien first, then Aliens and then the rest.
Alien Resurrection is a special case. I like it, maybe because I'm French, and Jean-Pierre Jeunet realized it. More seriously, I like it, but I think of it more as a spin-off than as a sequel, for many reasons of style, tone and story. Alien 3 is to me a valid end to the series, that would thus be a trilogy. The assembly cut makes the movie better, but alas it spoiled its potential, in my humble opinion. As many other fans, I think that Hicks and Newt's deaths were too much. Aliens is a beloved classic now. But Alien... Only the designs by Giger and others, the Derelict, the Space Jockey, the Alien, the Nostromo, are masterpieces. The movie is as cleverly built as its monster is scary and at the same time marvelous and intriguing.
I hope that Prometheus will be at least equal to Aliens in my scale, but if it manages to get on the same level than Alien, I will be pleased...
I agree that Alien is the only film in the series that has to be objectively be seen as a masterpiece. I think it really did but a cap on the monster movie genre; no film in that genre has surpassed its greatness.
Quote from: Hudson on Mar 23, 2012, 11:32:14 PM
I agree that Alien is the only film in the series that has to be objectively be seen as a masterpiece.
Objectively? If so, then Aliens is likewise an Oscar winner with far-ranging influence, an impeccable RT score, heaps of awards and fans in the professional filmmaking arena, yadda yadda... Objectively speaking, it's a cultural milestone and critical and commercial blowaway. What's the criteria for being a masterpiece if not the above? :D
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 24, 2012, 12:18:27 AM
If so, then Aliens is likewise an Oscar winner with far-ranging influence, an impeccable RT score...
Is RT an abbreviation of "retread," because that would be a pretty apt description, actually. ;D Considering how much of the score is Horner recycling his earlier scores and ripping off other composers wholesale :P
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 24, 2012, 12:18:27 AM
Quote from: Hudson on Mar 23, 2012, 11:32:14 PM
I agree that Alien is the only film in the series that has to be objectively be seen as a masterpiece.
Objectively? If so, then Aliens is likewise an Oscar winner with far-ranging influence, an impeccable RT score, heaps of awards and fans in the professional filmmaking arena, yadda yadda... Objectively speaking, it's a cultural milestone and critical and commercial blowaway. What's the criteria for being a masterpiece if not the above? :D
Yeah, well a large chunk of people around here run their mouths about how dated Aliens is. Sure, being successful at the time is all well and good. Alien is probably the only film in the series that has been critically endeared with the same enthusiasm since its release and will probably endure the same response forever.
Quote from: Hudson on Mar 24, 2012, 12:31:29 AM
Yeah, well a large chunk of people around here run their mouths about how dated Aliens is.
But we're speaking objectively. The opinions of a few don't really factor. Some run their mouths off about how boring Citizen Kane or The Godfather is, and still...
Alien is really the only film in the series that revolutionized an entire genre, as Dan O'Bannon said they closed it out, or however he put it. It basically bitch slapped every monster movie before 1979 and since. John Carpenter said otherwise, but he's been more or less useless based on the films I've seen from him other than The Thing. After Star Wars convinced audiences it was okay to go to the movies and have fun again, Alien grabbed them and made them take science fiction seriously.
Aliens isn't really a revolutionary film. There are excellent special effects, but the basic concept is Starship Troopers + Vietnam. It made some steps in the direction of female action heroins, etc. and presented some good feminist themes but that didn't really stop with Aliens like improvements to the monster movie genre stopped with Alien.
Quote from: Hudson on Mar 24, 2012, 12:43:09 AM
but the basic concept is Starship Troopers + Vietnam.
To be fair, its not about the basic concept more so than about the detail and execution. Alien's story is banally simple and was done 4 times before alien with same scenario - ship lands on a planet due distress signal, lifeform gets onboard, they cant kill it and at the end it gets jettisoned into space. But it was the mastercraft of Ridleys vision and feel and Gigers design that made ALL the difference
Quote from: StrangeShape on Mar 24, 2012, 12:45:57 AM
Quote from: Hudson on Mar 24, 2012, 12:43:09 AM
but the basic concept is Starship Troopers + Vietnam.
To be fair, its not about the basic concept more so than about the detail and execution. Alien's story is banally simple and was done 4 times before alien with same scenario - ship lands on a planet due distress signal, lifeform gets onboard, they cant kill it and at the end it gets jettisoned into space. But it was the mastercraft of Ridleys vision and feel and Gigers design that made ALL the difference
I agree completely. And I hear arguments that Cameron's vision and feel has lost its flare since 1986, while I've never heard anyone say that any of the gusto of Alien has dissipated since '79.
I'm making a case for Alien as essentially being the classiest and most artistically perfect of the Alien films, but for the record my favorite film ever is Aliens.
Quote from: Hudson on Mar 24, 2012, 12:49:14 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Mar 24, 2012, 12:45:57 AM
Quote from: Hudson on Mar 24, 2012, 12:43:09 AM
but the basic concept is Starship Troopers + Vietnam.
To be fair, its not about the basic concept more so than about the detail and execution. Alien's story is banally simple and was done 4 times before alien with same scenario - ship lands on a planet due distress signal, lifeform gets onboard, they cant kill it and at the end it gets jettisoned into space. But it was the mastercraft of Ridleys vision and feel and Gigers design that made ALL the difference
I agree completely. And I hear arguments that Cameron's vision and feel has lost its flare since 1986, while I've never heard anyone say that any of the gusto of Alien has dissipated since '79.
I'm making a case for Alien as essentially being the classiest and most artistically perfect of the Alien films, but for the record my favorite film ever is Aliens.
I know where youre getting at, the first movie was really something revolutionary with the whole truckers in space approach and unique monster design. As far as critical and fan acclaim tho, first two movies seem to be put on pedestals of the same heights. Example
Rotten Tomatoes
Alien 97%
Aliens 100%
Box Office Mojo
Alien - majority voted A 1,346 58.9%
Aliens - majority voted A 1,639 61.9%
IMDB
Rankings
Alien 8.5/10 (172,582 votes)
Aliens - 8.5/10 (150 000 votes)
Yahoo
Alien - B+ based on 42594 reviews
Aliens - B+ based on 22070 reviews
Metacritic
Alien - 83
Aliens - 87
Also, Entertainment Weekly named Aliens as the second-best action movie of all time, behind Die Hard. Both movies are currently in the top 10 on the Rotten Tomatoes list of the best science fiction movies
I think RT summed it up best
ALIEN
Not only does it represent the dawn of high-concept film pitches (it was billed as "Jaws in space") and the birth of a successful series,but director Ridley Scott's 1979 Alien remains a suspense-filled benchmark for sci-fi thrillers to this day. It isn't so much that the story is original -- screenwriter Dan O'Bannon quipped that he "stole it from everybody" -- but that it's written, filmed, and acted so flawlessly. And to think, the script was originally titled Space Beast, almost sold to Roger Corman rather than Fox
A modern classic, Alien blends science fiction, horror and bleak poetry into a seamless whole.ALIENS
Aliens is a fast-paced, high-intensity thrill ride that set a new standard for action films and cemented director James Cameron's status as one of Hollywood's leading directors following the success of The Terminator. Weaver received an Academy Award nomination and became a feminist hero for her strong, sensitive performance as the survivor Ripley, while costars Reiser, Henriksen, and Bill Paxton all give career-making performances in this landmark sci-fi extravaganza that made the 1986 Time Magazine cover.
Cameron's genius here lies in manipulating the tension, beautifully structuring the switches from build-up, to carnage, to unbearable waiting, to action
Eh, yeah I guess you're right.
People preferring Aliens over Alien is not surprising considering most movie goers would rather watch a fast paced action flick than a slow and methodical sci-fi horror movie.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 24, 2012, 02:07:54 PM
People preferring Aliens over Alien is not surprising considering most movie goers would rather watch a fast paced action flick than a slow and methodical sci-fi horror movie.
No its not a fast paced action flick. The climax is, not the movie. Almost entire movie is one slow buildup and all of the critical acclaim talks about how the movie focuses on characters as oppose to most other scifi movies and how the tension and structure is well done. None of them focuses on action. Giger commented in the 80s that he wouldve preferred a regular pace instead of a movie being one buildup towards one big climax, so he recognizes such structure too. And both movies, by directors admission, for stylistic continuity, have the same pacing structure: Nothing happens throughout almost an entire movie and we dont even get to see an alien untill over an hour, like in original alien. Nothing happens in the first 2/3 of the movie except for one major event (chestbursting/hive attack) that takes the story onto different track (trying to survive alien/s, panic and planning). For the last 1/3 it's a non stop action and fast pace in contrast to the rest of the movie. Both have a false happy ending. In both we know only as much as the characters.
Theres also the same amount of action, with the difference being the scope/scale of it
Count in length and kind of action.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 24, 2012, 02:23:25 PM
Count in length and kind of action.
Yes, that too. "Kind" I already mentioned as "scope/scale"
Whoops, sorry man. My bad.
Quote from: Hudson on Mar 24, 2012, 12:49:14 AM
I'm making a case for Alien as essentially being the classiest and most artistically perfect of the Alien films, but for the record my favorite film ever is Aliens.
I only addressed your calling of Alien as the only objective masterpiece (revolutionary had nothing to do with it - you don't have to be revolutionary to be a masterpiece), when both films are roundly called masterpieces, not just by fans, but by the industry.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 24, 2012, 02:07:54 PM
People preferring Aliens over Alien is not surprising considering most movie goers would rather watch a fast paced action flick than a slow and methodical sci-fi horror movie.
A faced paced action movie where we don't see a creature for the first hour, and with a total of three (Hive, Operations, and Nest-Sulaco) action sequences? As said before, the finale of the film isn't the sum of the film. The suspense in the film was ratcheted so high that Roger Ebert complained of knots in his stomach for weeks.
And also, apparently moviegoers DO like seeing slow paced methodical horrors if they rank one just as high
QuoteThe suspense in the film was ratcheted so high that Roger Ebert complained of knots in his stomach for weeks.
Yeah, I was going to bring that up. I think he described the film as making him really uncomfortable, but also recognized that it was an awesome movie.
I didn't read a lot of analysises on difference between Alien and Aliens, and what makes Cameron's film to look more action movie in comparison to the first one, but my personal explanation for this is because Aliens has bigger variety of places when events happen (Narcissus, Gateway's medical room, conference room, Ripley's cubicle, Sulaco... APC... LV-426...) and characters on screen are always busy with something, whether it is work or friendly chatter. Thus, the density of events/persons for footage is higher, making the film to seem more action-filled, than its ancestor, with no bigger number of violent scenes here. THe simple way I distinguish it.
I think it's classified as an action film because people are firing machine guns, grenade launchers, and flamethrowers. Not because Ripley wakes up from a nightmare in her apartment on a space station after she goes to a meeting in a conference room.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Mar 24, 2012, 12:54:08 AM
Rotten Tomatoes
Alien 97%
Aliens 100%
Alien has more positive reviews than
Aliens on RT, but it also has one or two negative reviews, hence the lower percentage.
Not to poo-poo the RT score, it's just interesting to note. On the flipside, while
Aliens has less votes than
Alien on the IMDb, it has more 9/10 or 10/10 ratings.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 24, 2012, 10:16:03 PM
Alien has more positive reviews than Aliens on RT, but it also has one or two negative reviews, hence the lower percentage.
The only two negative reviews for ALIEN on RT are from short-sighted critics from 1979 whose opinions are laughable today. Annoying. >:(
Quote from: SiL on Mar 24, 2012, 10:16:03 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Mar 24, 2012, 12:54:08 AM
Rotten Tomatoes
Alien 97%
Aliens 100%
Alien has more positive reviews than Aliens on RT, but it also has one or two negative reviews, hence the lower percentage.
Not to poo-poo the RT score, it's just interesting to note. On the flipside, while Aliens has less votes than Alien on the IMDb, it has more 9/10 or 10/10 ratings.
Sure, I realize that. The point was just that both are very well acclaimed by both audience and critics. I wasnt trying to make a competition
ALIENS 4 ever¡¡ :laugh:
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 24, 2012, 11:17:04 PM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 24, 2012, 10:16:03 PM
Alien has more positive reviews than Aliens on RT, but it also has one or two negative reviews, hence the lower percentage.
The only two negative reviews for ALIEN on RT are from short-sighted critics from 1979 whose opinions are laughable today. Annoying. >:(
Some of them are admittedly hilarious though. "Disco inspired art direction." Wh-aaat? :P
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 25, 2012, 12:37:48 AM
Some of them are admittedly hilarious though. "Disco inspired art direction." Wh-aaat? :P
I assume he means the strobe lighting in the last act. Still supremely stupid.
Quote from: Hudson on Mar 24, 2012, 09:29:39 PM
I think it's classified as an action film because people are firing machine guns, grenade launchers, and flamethrowers. Not because Ripley wakes up from a nightmare in her apartment on a space station after she goes to a meeting in a conference room.
Yes, I guess, it's a crusial definition of action movie, but despite of flaunting weapons in
Aliens on great scale, they don't use them most of time, and the very first shooting is stupidly redundant (Drake fires at Newt, but Hicks lifts up the smartgun with the barrel of his rifle).
Quote from: Cvalda on Mar 25, 2012, 12:51:23 AM
Quote from: Valaquen on Mar 25, 2012, 12:37:48 AM
Some of them are admittedly hilarious though. "Disco inspired art direction." Wh-aaat? :P
I assume he means the strobe lighting in the last act. Still supremely stupid.
Sounds like Alien's POV on that scene: F**k you with all those disco lights, I'd better sneak in the lifeboat. :P
How the hell did Alien Resurrection get 33 votes! I can see how some people like Alien 3 but isn't it really a pale shadow of the first film. For me there can really be only 2 films in this series that you can vote for. Even if i pick Aliens i can understand why someone may pick Alien it is a superior film in many regards. But Alien Resurrection c'om on! Really?
Wouldn't it be great if everyone had the exact same opinion!
Curse me for preferring Alien³ over Aliens!
Quote from: First Blood on Apr 04, 2012, 01:42:04 AM
Curse me for preferring Alien³ over Aliens!
We're just not
true fans. :P
Quote from: First Blood on Apr 04, 2012, 01:42:04 AM
Curse me for preferring Alien³ over Aliens!
I do to. It's more entertaining I find.
And I find Ripley's plight a hell of a lot more engrossing.
I personally prefer Aliens, but Alien 3 is not a bad film at all (quite good considering all the behind the scenes stuff), and I have respect for all involved for making a pretty good film despite all that stuff.
But Alien always has been, and probably always will be, my favorite.
I can understand someone prefering Alien 3 to Aliens as Alien 3 is more of a horror film and i undesrtand a lot of Alien fans don't like Jim Cameron's action/adventure take on the franchise. But if your more into horror films then Alien is the perfect horror film not Alien 3! As for Resurrection its really the Batman and Robin (1997) of Alien films! Of course until the AVP films came along!
Quote from: HappyAlien on Apr 04, 2012, 04:22:00 AM
As for Resurrection its really the Batman and Robin (1997) of Alien films!
Hardly. Resurrection is an interesting, well-made film in its own right--it just doesn't fit well with the original trilogy.
Quote from: Cvalda on Apr 04, 2012, 04:25:03 AM
Quote from: HappyAlien on Apr 04, 2012, 04:22:00 AM
As for Resurrection its really the Batman and Robin (1997) of Alien films!
Hardly. Resurrection is an interesting, well-made film in its own right--it just doesn't fit well with the original trilogy.
Hmmm, well, that floats my boat.
Quote from: Cvalda on Apr 04, 2012, 04:25:03 AM
Quote from: HappyAlien on Apr 04, 2012, 04:22:00 AM
As for Resurrection its really the Batman and Robin (1997) of Alien films!
Hardly. Resurrection is an interesting, well-made film in its own right--it just doesn't fit well with the original trilogy.
While I agree that Resurrection was an interesting film in it's own right, it does fail in it's most important aspect - being a sequel in the alien series. This fail is so mind-boggling huge that unfortunately I personally can't look at it seriously without wanting to punch someone or something.
Not saying its as bad as Batman and Robin just saying it is the Batman and Robin of Alien films . Of the four it is the most campy and cheesy. While the first three films were much more serious.
'I feel broken.'
'f**k!'
'Don't run with scissors, dumbass!'
Rape Goggles.
Not to mention the 'cigarettes' in the AC. And other things I cannot recall at the moment.
Oh yes, Alien3 is so much more serious and lacking humor than Resurrection.
I personally don't have any problems into accepting the latter as an Alien sequel.
It's not that it lacked humour. A film can be serious yet still have funny moments. It's that the overall tone of the fourth film went much beyond simply having a few jokes; the entire film felt like a joke.
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Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 04, 2012, 01:27:00 PM
'I feel broken.'
'f**k!'
'Don't run with scissors, dumbass!'
Rape Goggles.
Not to mention the 'cigarettes' in the AC. And other things I cannot recall at the moment.
Oh yes, Alien3 is so much more serious and lacking humor than Resurrection.
I personally don't have any problems into accepting the latter as an Alien sequel.
Resurrection was supposed to have dark humour. It just turned out to be stupid.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 04, 2012, 11:09:27 PM
Resurrection was supposed to have dark humour.
So was
Alien3.
They all did one way or another, really.
Resurrection was just... uh... a bit off the wall.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 04, 2012, 11:09:27 PM
Resurrection was supposed to have dark humour. It just turned out to be stupid.
Nooo, why would you even say so?
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^ Un mein Gott...
I love the Brad Dourif kissy-kissy bit :P
So do I. What's funny is that some scientists actually sometimes do things like that with primates they're trying to train.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 05, 2012, 04:35:37 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 04, 2012, 11:09:27 PM
Resurrection was supposed to have dark humour. It just turned out to be stupid.
Nooo, why would you even say so?
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Don't forget what, 6 guys with big guns facing down one Alien and decide to run in the opposite direction and start arguing about going back or banging on a door that won't open.
It always makes me sad to see Michael Wincott's character fall into the cliché trap of venturing away from the group, for no apparent reason really other than add one more slime infested gun to his otherwise overloaded arsenal. Even Brett's death was more dignified.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 05, 2012, 08:22:20 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Apr 05, 2012, 04:35:37 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 04, 2012, 11:09:27 PM
Resurrection was supposed to have dark humour. It just turned out to be stupid.
Nooo, why would you even say so?
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Don't forget what, 6 guys with big guns facing down one Alien and decide to run in the opposite direction and start arguing about going back or banging on a door that won't open.
But at least theyre characters that you see in daily life, like in previous 3 movies! I see characters looking like this in video games and new Mortal Kombat and Tekken all the time!
Is Resurrection the ideal ALIEN sequel? No. But I maintain that if it were released without the baggage of being one, it would be a fairly successful cult film. It's not accessible to a wide audience because of its grotesque, perverse weirdness and quirky humor, but for those who like that sort of thing, it's a very interesting and enjoyable film--warts and all.
Exactly. But the fact remains, it IS an Alien film, and a very poor one. It should have just been an independent film, untied to any previous classics.
Which is why I choose to just view it as a sort of EU spinoff. When I read the comics, I don't get angry with them for being comic book-ish and not in line with the films. The original trilogy is its own thing, Resurrection is an enjoyable spinoff.
I can't enjoy it because of the connection it has to the originals. I just can't.
Quote from: Cvalda on Apr 06, 2012, 04:26:22 AM
Is Resurrection the ideal ALIEN sequel? No. But I maintain that if it were released without the baggage of being one, it would be a fairly successful cult film. It's not accessible to a wide audience because of its grotesque, perverse weirdness and quirky humor, but for those who like that sort of thing, it's a very interesting and enjoyable film--warts and all.
Frankly, my biggest issue with the movie is that i find it to be absolutely boring. I find the characters inherently unengaging, because they're never developed or given any real motivation for what they are doing. Many of them are given very odd "comic booky" moments that destroy immersion. The film's look is...
Unique, but not unique in the same way that Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3 are distinct from each other, yet still "grounded." it's unique in a "this is the black sheep of the series" kind of way.
Even if it were some unrelated standalone film, and you took Ripley out of it... It doesn't work. None of the characters perform well enough to be truly engaging. It's Weaver's presence alone that gives any of Ripley 8's scenes any depth or meaning.
It might have worked better if the film had been given a firmer foundation, and it was part of a "second wave" a new series of films. Aside from a few limp wristed remarks on that subject it doesn't seem it was ever anyones intention to seriously do a film immediately following up to Alien Resurrection.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 06, 2012, 04:27:42 AM
Exactly. But the fact remains, it IS an Alien film, and a very poor one. It should have just been an independent film, untied to any previous classics.
Who said it wasn't an Alien film?
No one. You have to take that in context with Cvalda's post right before.
Quote from: Cvalda on Apr 06, 2012, 04:26:22 AM
Is Resurrection the ideal ALIEN sequel? No. But I maintain that if it were released without the baggage of being one, it would be a fairly successful cult film. It's not accessible to a wide audience because of its grotesque, perverse weirdness and quirky humor, but for those who like that sort of thing, it's a very interesting and enjoyable film--warts and all.
Alien is my favorite.
I love a slow build up and a thick atmospheric horror. The effects still look great even today becuase of clever film making.
Aliens is a close second.
It's a tie between Aliens and Alien 3 for me. I absolutely love Aliens as an action film, but the atmosphere of Alien 3 can't be beat. Also, if they had gone with the "wooden planet" concept, I think Alien 3 be a great deal more superior than Aliens.
For the longest time it was Aliens, but after buying the blu-ray anthology and viewing each one countless times since then I have to say Alien. Seeing it that clear reminded me of the first time I saw it, it's like a completely new movie.
i have got to tell you guys a cant watch any of the first 3 films without each other
Alien,Aliens then Alien 3.
I never watched Resurrection :P
QuoteIt might have worked better if the film had been given a firmer foundation, and it was part of a "second wave" a new series of films.
It WAS supposed to be the restart of the series. Didn't make enough money though.
QuoteI find the characters inherently unengaging, because they're never developed or given any real motivation for what they are doing.
Their motivation weas pretty obvious. Money and living past today. 'Cept Call who wanted to kill ALL the Aliens!
The development was less obvious. - but no different to the previous films as such.
Aliens, then Alien, then Alien 3.
Rez and the Avps do not exist.
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jun 12, 2012, 09:07:43 PM
Aliens, then Alien, then Alien 3.
Rez and the Avps do not exist.
Same! Except for me Alien is first and Aliens is second.
The one where they kill the most xenomorphs. Aliens.
Alien and Aliens are different types of ilms -- so it's tough for me to say.
But if push comes to shove - though I love Aliens -- Alien is the one I can get my wife to maybe watch. So - you know how that goes.
Truth be told -- I wouls and will generally watch any of the films from the entire franchise any time I am channel surfing -- and generally will not change the channel until I'm done. And often will feel the need to pull out the dvd and watch from the beginning.
So I'm a Sucker I guess -- but I like em all. Especially given the choices of what is generally on all of the other channels. I hate reality tv for the most part. And thats about all that I see on other channels when I'm not watching espn or some sport
Quote from: episodenone on Jul 16, 2012, 02:42:58 AM
Alien and Aliens are different types of ilms -- so it's tough for me to say.
But if push comes to shove - though I love Aliens -- Alien is the one I can get my wife to maybe watch. So - you know how that goes.
Truth be told -- I wouls and will generally watch any of the films from the entire franchise any time I am channel surfing -- and generally will not change the channel until I'm done. And often will feel the need to pull out the dvd and watch from the beginning.
So I'm a Sucker I guess -- but I like em all. Especially given the choices of what is generally on all of the other channels. I hate reality tv for the most part. And thats about all that I see on other channels when I'm not watching espn or some sport
Oh god. Reality T.V.
Alien, Aliens (close second also), Alien 3, Alien Rez.
Alien movies must be scary imo. In A3 and ARez, we know Ripley is not going to be killed by xenos so there is less tension whereas in Alien we don't know what's going to happen and death is imminent.
But...she was killed because of an Alien in A3 :P I'd say that the third film is very tense, especially in its final moments.
I have a really strange thing happening on my pc ???
I saw the special edition of A3 and when she commit suicide, we don't see the queen chestbursting Ripley and I though this version is better, I didn't like the coincidence of the Alien coming out just when she is going to burn. And after your post I watched again the scene and the Queen is coming out...so I did multiple replay and one time it's coming out and the other it's not...I have to fix my pc :laugh:
I like to think she died of both (still alive when she grabs gently "her daughter") at the same time although we will never know :-\
I dont think its such a great coincidence. After all, she spends quite some time with the embryo in, and feels it strongly when the climax approaches, eventually feeling the pain already. It was pretty much implied that the burster can come out anytime now
I like it better without seeing the Queen. It adds more to her sacrifice, I think, that maybe if she did go with the WY officers they could have possibly saved her. Ripley hated WY so much and didn't want them to get their hands on the Alien so much that she let herself die to prevent it, even though they could have possibly saved her.
Yes, I understand that it could come out anytime :), I meant that when she jumps, it lasts just 5 seconds maximum without slowmotion...Maybe the process of falling made it come out quicker
Agree with the sacrifice more enhanced...She was really FED UP, she learned her daughter died, Newt is gone, like Hicks, she had no guarantee to survive after the surgery, all that added to the hatred of WY. She had nothing to loose except her life (where "she can't remember anything else than the Alien")
Aliens, Alien, Alien 3, Alien Resurection
Watched Alien 3 Assembly Cut whilst in work, it's still my favourite of the trilogy
I believe ALIENS was the best, followed by ALIEN, ALIEN: RESURRECTION and ALIEN 3.
I am going to have to go with Aliens hands down. Then Alien, the A3, then A:R. While the first two are both great, Aliens just has that flair and finesse to it to make it pure gold. Plus I prefer the faster pacing.
Quote from: Jegeren on Aug 03, 2012, 12:40:42 AM
Plus I prefer the faster pacing.
I find that kind of funny, because, in my view at least, the first two films are structured and paced almost exactly the same. The second film, however, implements the man vs Alien conflicts in a much more intense manner rather than
Alien's brief encounters with the beasts, which probably gives it that seemingly faster pace.
In terms of getting to the action (Kane getting hugged vs. marines attacked in hive), Aliens is much slower. However once Ripley and Newt are attacked by the huggers in medlab, it rarely lets up for the final 40 minutes.
The same can be argued for Alien's last 20 minutes or so (comprable to Aliens' last 40 because of the shorter length), albeit its a very different style of action.
Once Brett gets nabbed it's pretty much nonstop until the end. Which is also roughly 40 minutes.
I think Aliens seems more intense, because all that time is a running battle. Apart from the loader fight, we're constantly on the move.
I felt Alien had more edge-of-your-seat intensity in its last 40 minutes. Aliens makes me want to sit back and relax with a bag of popcorn.
Honestly, both of them are edge-of-your-seat for me, but in drastically different ways.
Aliens just pips it for me as I always loved the future designs like sets, machines, equipment, weapons, costumes etc...The build up to the finale is also adrenaline pumping as the team goes down one by one, one of the best sequels ever made.
...wasnt expecting 33 votes for Alien resurrection. :P
Quote from: Blacklabel on Aug 14, 2012, 01:47:46 PM
...wasnt expecting 33 votes for Alien resurrection. :P
33 = mistake clics + people joking + people involved with the movie making :P
I bet 33 A:R votes were cast by people who were brought to the franchise with that film. There is nothing bad about that... On the bright side, staying long enough here, they eventually would be educated to appreciate the real masterpieces :P
The wonders of how people have to explain differing opinions.
Yeah, I mean, who do they think they are? They should think precisely like everyone who likes Aliens the best.
I was mainly joking about educating, but really, whouldn't you be interested to learn more about your favourite film, where from it derived and what has been done before?.. I think it's what makes you a fan... Whether could you switch your choice after or remain stern with your tastes is also up to you. Like I said, I was mainly joking...
Aliens was the first one I saw
Aliens.
Sometimes Aliens and Alien are equal. Some people say Alien is their favorite. Others say Aliens.
My order from best to worst:
Aliens
Alien
Prometheus
Alien 3
Alien Resurrection
A lot of people had no doubts (I didn't have any) that Prometheus would be better than Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection. I thank god that it was. Anybody that choose Alien 3, I respect your decision but you should rewatch Alien and Aliens. Anybody that choose Alien Resurrection is out of their minds. If your favorite Alien movie is not Aliens, Alien or Prometheus, then you should rewatch those movies.
I love and respect all the first three films, resurrection is ok but it isn't nearly as good because its like a comedy. The first three are serious, dark films which are amazing because they have great directors, actors, moods, themes, tones, plot, music, characterization, realism, and incredible sets. Resurrection lacks the dark mood and seriousness and has terrible dialogue and has little characterization, the scenes with the Newborn are bad to say the least because the creature isn't threatening at all I mean it just falls in love with Ripley instead of a fight which was orignally going to happen the movie could have been so much better their was so much potential. It is ok but the first 3 make it look like trash. The first 3 are masterpieces and my favorite all though Alien and Aliens are very close is Alien 3 which is a criminally underrated movie. The first three movies is like a very good story that is just beautiful.
Order
Alien 3 Aliens Alien all on same level 100% masterpieces :)
Alien Resurrection joke of a wonderful franchise ???
QuoteResurrection... has little characterization
It's got about as much as Aliens or Alien3.
Eyup; probably a little more than the latter too.
Alien3's characterisation was good for what we got I felt. Certainly Dillon and 85 were people I cared about towards the end, to some degree.
Same as Hicks, Newt, Burke, Bishop, Clemens, Call, Johner, Vriess, et al. All distinctive without being terribly deep.
That's true
Forever Aliens for me. ;D
My order from best to worse + my rating for all of them:
Aliens = 100%
Alien = 98%
Prometheus = 85%
Alien 3 = 83%
Alien Ressurection = 62%
ALIEN³, ALIENS, then ALIEN...don't say nothing. :)
Alien, Alien rez, aliens, and then i usually pretend that alien3 never happened :D
Quote from: Edvin on Sep 20, 2012, 10:50:47 PM
Alien, Alien rez, aliens, and then i usually pretend that alien3 never happened :D
Ha! Kinda like how I usually pretend that Prometheus doesn't exist- though I don't look down upon people who like it. :)
yeah i just dont see it as an alien film at all. it basically has nothing to do with it, except it shares the same designs.
I know i said something different before but to be really honest i'm really tempted towards Alien3, also because this movie introduced me to the franchise and made me a huge fan of it ;D Really love alien3 despite it's flaws. But if you truly love someone or something you can look past the flaws :laugh: And i truly love this move ^^
Quote from: Snowdog on Sep 20, 2012, 11:17:28 PM
I know i said something different before but to be really honest i'm really tempted towards Alien3, also because this movie introduced me to the franchise and made me a huge fan of it ;D Really love alien3 despite it's flaws. But if you truly love someone or something you can look past the flaws :laugh: And i truly love this move ^^
Very true, friend... very true. :)
Alien 3 is still my favourite. I don't quite understand how it's not an Alien movie though ???
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Sep 21, 2012, 11:51:49 AM
Alien 3 is still my favourite. I don't quite understand how it's not an Alien movie though ???
What?
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Sep 21, 2012, 11:51:49 AM
Alien 3 is still my favourite. I don't quite understand how it's not an Alien movie though ???
What the hell do you mean by this ??? :-\ Don't quite understand you
I think he means that there are a lot of people who loved the first two so much and refuse to accept the third film, and he can't understand why they do so.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 21, 2012, 11:21:30 PM
I think he means that there are a lot of people who loved the first two so much and refuse to accept the third film, and he can't understand why they do so.
becauseitssof**kinterribleandslowpacedanfiöledwithhorriblecharactersthatservesnopurposeanditdoesntreallydoanythingforthealienssaga.
Just like AvP 1 and 2 and Prometheus then
Quote from: Edvin on Sep 22, 2012, 09:44:08 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 21, 2012, 11:21:30 PM
I think he means that there are a lot of people who loved the first two so much and refuse to accept the third film, and he can't understand why they do so.
becauseitssof**kinterribleandslowpacedanfiöledwithhorriblecharactersthatservesnopurposeanditdoesntreallydoanythingforthealienssaga.
Because, despite a sloppy opening and lots of behind the scenes problems that are unfortunately apparent on screen, the film tells a rather excellent story, provides closure on Ripley's character in a very satisfying way, and manages to take a bunch of unlikable prisoners and put them on a path to redemption, allowing us to sympathize with and grow to like some of them along the way. Also, it had a great atmosphere and setting, and did some rather interesting things with the Alien itself. And lets not forget that amazing soundtrack.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 21, 2012, 09:38:23 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Sep 21, 2012, 11:51:49 AM
Alien 3 is still my favourite. I don't quite understand how it's not an Alien movie though ???
What?
It was from an earlier post that I forgot to quote
For me -
Alien
Aliens
Alien Resurrection
Prometheus
Alien 3
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 22, 2012, 01:30:12 PM
Quote from: Edvin on Sep 22, 2012, 09:44:08 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 21, 2012, 11:21:30 PM
I think he means that there are a lot of people who loved the first two so much and refuse to accept the third film, and he can't understand why they do so.
becauseitssof**kinterribleandslowpacedanfiöledwithhorriblecharactersthatservesnopurposeanditdoesntreallydoanythingforthealienssaga.
Because, despite a sloppy opening and lots of behind the scenes problems that are unfortunately apparent on screen, the film tells a rather excellent story, provides closure on Ripley's character in a very satisfying way, and manages to take a bunch of unlikable prisoners and put them on a path to redemption, allowing us to sympathize with and grow to like some of them along the way. Also, it had a great atmosphere and setting, and did some rather interesting things with the Alien itself. And lets not forget that amazing soundtrack.
Well said. Not the perfect end to the trilogy, but a fine and admirable one nonetheless. Perfect closure for Ripley's arc.
ALIEN
PROMETHEUS
ALIEN³
Aliens, Alien, Prometheus, Alien3, and I absolutley hated Aliens: Ressurection.
QuoteI absolutley hated Aliens: Ressurection.
Now that I think of it, Resurrection was kind of a big "Mmm, whatever.." sorta movie to me.
If you watch Nostalgia Critic: Alien Resurection, he perfectly describes my view of it. If you look at it as a spoof of the alien movies, it's hilarious. But it doesn't even classify as an Alien movie in my mind. Neither does Alien3. The death of Ripley, Bishop, Hicks and especially Rebecca(Newt) crushed me. I like to pretend they all lived happily ever after. Like in the comics! Newt lives, and grows into a fine adult. Of course, she still fights the Aliens, but she's alive. :/
Quote from: Arcangel on Nov 03, 2012, 05:26:15 AM
If you watch Nostalgia Critic: Alien Resurection, he perfectly describes my view of it. If you look at it as a spoof of the alien movies, it's hilarious. But it doesn't even classify as an Alien movie in my mind. Neither does Alien3. The death of Ripley, Bishop, Hicks and especially Rebecca(Newt) crushed me. I like to pretend they all lived happily ever after. Like in the comics! Newt lives, and grows into a fine adult. Of course, she still fights the Aliens, but she's alive. :/
Agreed, that guy was awesome. ;)
Which one? Bishop, Hicks, or The Nostalgia Critic?
Nostalgia Critic.
Yeah...too bad he's 'decided to stop making vids'. Personally, I think he's trolling us.
He's finally giving some rest to his vocal chords.
But he was so funny. :'(
Yeah. But i do think he deserves a rest. If you've watched his scooby-doo one, he was being truthful with his opening. I doubt it was acting. I could be wrong, though.
Quote from: Arcangel on Nov 03, 2012, 05:26:15 AM
If you watch Nostalgia Critic: Alien Resurection, he perfectly describes my view of it. If you look at it as a spoof of the alien movies, it's hilarious. But it doesn't even classify as an Alien movie in my mind. Neither does Alien3. The death of Ripley, Bishop, Hicks and especially Rebecca(Newt) crushed me. I like to pretend they all lived happily ever after. Like in the comics! Newt lives, and grows into a fine adult. Of course, she still fights the Aliens, but she's alive. :/
Heh, I'll remember that if I ever choose to rewatch Resurrection. While I do agree to some extent about A3, I did enjoy it. It brought back to an extent I felt, the original sense of dread the first film had. I didn't get it as much with Aliens.
Quote from: Arcangel on Nov 03, 2012, 05:26:15 AM
If you watch Nostalgia Critic: Alien Resurection, he perfectly describes my view of it. If you look at it as a spoof of the alien movies, it's hilarious. But it doesn't even classify as an Alien movie in my mind. Neither does Alien3. The death of Ripley, Bishop, Hicks and especially Rebecca(Newt) crushed me. I like to pretend they all lived happily ever after. Like in the comics! Newt lives, and grows into a fine adult. Of course, she still fights the Aliens, but she's alive. :/
I agree 100%
Yeah.... Freakin Ridley Scott and his terrible attempt at making more movies. He could have at least filled in the plot hole for alien3. That threw me. I still have no idea what he was thinking when he came up with it. "Hey guys, let's throw an alien egg on the sulaco, have everyone including ripley die, and then let every alien fan debate for years to come just how the f**k the egg got there!"
First pic: What scott was thinking.
Second Pic: What i think even now.
I'm gonna rewatch A:R and see how long I can keep from getting up and leaving..
Haha. Probably not very long. I can't even get past the fade in/out beggining with ripley breaking out of the 'giant novelty condom' as the Nostalgia Critic puts it.
Quote from: Arcangel on Nov 06, 2012, 04:30:50 AM
Yeah.... Freakin Ridley Scott and his terrible attempt at making more movies. He could have at least filled in the plot hole for alien3. That threw me. I still have no idea what he was thinking when he came up with it. "Hey guys, let's throw an alien egg on the sulaco, have everyone including ripley die, and then let every alien fan debate for years to come just how the f**k the egg got there!"
First pic: What scott was thinking.
Second Pic: What i think even now.
Ridley Scott didn't direct Alien3...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Nov 06, 2012, 11:53:27 AM
Quote from: Arcangel on Nov 06, 2012, 04:30:50 AM
Yeah.... Freakin Ridley Scott and his terrible attempt at making more movies. He could have at least filled in the plot hole for alien3. That threw me. I still have no idea what he was thinking when he came up with it. "Hey guys, let's throw an alien egg on the sulaco, have everyone including ripley die, and then let every alien fan debate for years to come just how the f**k the egg got there!"
First pic: What scott was thinking.
Second Pic: What i think even now.
Ridley Scott didn't direct Alien3...
Ummm, yeah, Ridley Scott had nothing to do with Alien 3.
:laugh:
Kicking goals there Arcangel...
Damn it....
For me it goes alien, aliens, alien Rez, alien 3, Prometheus, avp, avp2. I love them all though, so this list was really hard to make.
Alien 3 (Assembly Cut) love the set design, and overall bleakness. Then Aliens (Great action and dialogue), Alien, AVP, Alien Rez, Prometheus, AVP:R.
Quote from: Staplepuffs27 on Jan 18, 2013, 03:13:17 AM
For me it goes alien, aliens, alien Rez, alien 3, Prometheus, avp, avp2. I love them all though, so this list was really hard to make.
Rez higher then Prometheus? ???
Quote from: Cal427eb on Jan 18, 2013, 04:56:55 PM
Quote from: Staplepuffs27 on Jan 18, 2013, 03:13:17 AM
For me it goes alien, aliens, alien Rez, alien 3, Prometheus, avp, avp2. I love them all though, so this list was really hard to make.
Rez higher then Prometheus? ???
I have a soft spot for Rez as a huge firefly fan. Prometheus will probably grow on me as time goes on and the ranking may change. Just my personal favorites at the moment.
Quote from: Staplepuffs27 on Jan 18, 2013, 10:31:55 PM
Quote from: Cal427eb on Jan 18, 2013, 04:56:55 PM
Quote from: Staplepuffs27 on Jan 18, 2013, 03:13:17 AM
For me it goes alien, aliens, alien Rez, alien 3, Prometheus, avp, avp2. I love them all though, so this list was really hard to make.
Rez higher then Prometheus? ???
I have a soft spot for Rez as a huge firefly fan. Prometheus will probably grow on me as time goes on and the ranking may change. Just my personal favorites at the moment.
Oh well, at least you have Requiem at the bottom ;)
Quote from: Cal427eb on Jan 18, 2013, 10:54:38 PM
Quote from: Staplepuffs27 on Jan 18, 2013, 10:31:55 PM
Quote from: Cal427eb on Jan 18, 2013, 04:56:55 PM
Quote from: Staplepuffs27 on Jan 18, 2013, 03:13:17 AM
For me it goes alien, aliens, alien Rez, alien 3, Prometheus, avp, avp2. I love them all though, so this list was really hard to make.
Rez higher then Prometheus? ???
I have a soft spot for Rez as a huge firefly fan. Prometheus will probably grow on me as time goes on and the ranking may change. Just my personal favorites at the moment.
Oh well, at least you have Requiem at the bottom ;)
My expectations should have been way lower, but I was part of the group that bought into the trailers and was expecting a decent flick and improvement over the first (which I didn't think was THAT bad). Unfortunately, the filmmakers had no respect for the alien that was established as being much more feared and powerful throughout the franchise. They basically turned the alien(s) into generic slasher monsters :(
I could never rank Rez higher than Prommy, personally. Rez was a giant bucket of steaming WTF? while Prommy held my attention through and through.
Updated...
5 stars: Alien (TC, DC), Aliens (TC, DC), Alien 3 (AC)
4 stars: Prometheus
3 stars: Alien 3 (TC)
2 stars:
1 stars: Alien: Ressurection (TC, DC)
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 20, 2013, 02:46:19 PM
Updated...
5 stars: Alien (TC, DC), Aliens (TC, DC), Alien 3 (AC)
4 stars: Prometheus
3 stars: Alien 3 (TC)
2 stars:
1 stars: Alien: Ressurection (TC, DC)
Mine would be very similar. As you, I love, just love the alien trilogy, and all three movies in it equally
5 stars: Alien (TC or DC), Aliens (DC), Alien 3 (TC)
4 stars:
3 stars: AVP, Prometheus
2 stars:
0.5 star: AVP:R
0 stars: Alien Resurrection
While we're playing...
5 - Alien, Aliens
4 - Alien3, Resurrection, Prometheus
3
2
1 - AvP, AvP:Poo
Let me:
5 - Alien, Aliens
4 - Alien 3 (AC), Prometheus
3 -
2 -
1 - Alien Resurrection, Alien vs. Predator
0 - Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem.
And now without numbers!
Alien
Aliens
Alien 3/Prometheus
Alien Resurrection
Don't change my silly system! ::)
5 Alien
4 Aliens/Prometheus
3. Alien 3
2. Alien 3/AvP:R
1. Alien: Res/AvP
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 21, 2013, 03:13:50 AM
5 Alien
4 Aliens/Prometheus
3. Alien 3
2. Alien 3/AvP:R
1. Alien: Res/AvP
Doom, I thought you liked Alien 3 more than Aliens?
No, don't think so. I've always said Aliens was a good movie and that Alien 3 was a cash grab. I like A3 sure, but that's how I will always see it.
All sequels are cash grabs, and to the industry I'm sure all movies are cash grabs. But think, when a movie is made all the people who work on it are getting paid because its a job like anyother, those people will need feeding during work so food companies have work to feed these people. Delivery services have to bring food supplies to these stores to ensure food is available to sell. All these hundreds of people working on these films need clothes...
You get the idea.
So why is it so bad that these movies are cash grabs? Money is just circling through the system as it always has.
Thank you for that explanation of how it fits into society's economic circle of life. It doesn't make the film any less pointless.
Well then it just comes down to opinion as always. ;)
5 - Alien / Aliens
4 -
3.5 - Prometheus / Alien 3
3 - Alien Resurrection
2 -
1 - (Milburn and Fifield's hammerpede encounter)
Here's hoping that Prometheus 2: Prometheuss gets to be another 5 star worthy flick in this saga.
Alien
Aliens
Alien3 / Alien: Resurrection
Prometheus
Prometheus below A:R?
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Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 22, 2013, 09:03:15 PM
Prometheus below A:R?
As below as the Mariana Trench is below the ocean surface.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 22, 2013, 09:50:45 PM
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 22, 2013, 09:03:15 PM
Prometheus below A:R?
As below as the Mariana Trench is below the ocean surface.
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:laugh: holy f**king shit
5. ALIEN
4. Prometheus
3. Alien3
2. Holiday on the Buses
1. Aliens
0. A:R. AvP
-0. AvP:R
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 22, 2013, 01:39:06 PM
Alien
Aliens
Alien3 / Alien: Resurrection
Prometheus
f**k me. I thought you were a fan of Prommy.
Yeah he even has the Engineer in his signature
Quote from: Mus on Feb 24, 2013, 02:51:35 AM
Yeah he even has the Engineer in his signature
:D
Planet 51
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JK
Aliens and Alien second
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 24, 2013, 12:15:57 AM
f**k me. I thought you were a fan of Prommy.
Movie itself no, I don't like at all.
I do like the Trilobite, Deacon and Hammerpede. The last especially. I
love the Hammerpede. I wish they were in a better film.
I also like the Prometheus interior, all that Cobb, some of the acting too. But that's about it.
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Alien 3
Alien
Aliens
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Prometheus
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Alien: Ressurection
Are we even considering Prometheus an Alien movie? I mean it works better if it has absolutly nothing to do with the Aliens series whatsoever.
Yes, it's an alien movie.
I'd love to add Outland to my list...
Quote from: Gash on Feb 26, 2013, 09:09:12 PM
Yes, it's an alien movie.
Then where are the godamn Aliens??!!
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Feb 27, 2013, 11:57:43 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 26, 2013, 09:09:12 PM
Yes, it's an alien movie.
Then where are the godamn Aliens??!!
You're 10 months late.
It's an alien film which features new aliens. ;)
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 27, 2013, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Feb 27, 2013, 11:57:43 AM
Quote from: Gash on Feb 26, 2013, 09:09:12 PM
Yes, it's an alien movie.
Then where are the godamn Aliens??!!
You're 10 months late.
It's an alien film which features new aliens. ;)
Ah yes, the "Aliens".... except they are not the right kind of Aliens. I just see no reason to include Prometheus apart of the core series as I do the Aliens vs Predator films. This is because the story seems almost completely unrelated to Alien series, apart from the engineers. So that kinda makes this movie a spin-off in my eyes, a spin-off set in a completly different timeline/universe then the Alien movies.
It is most definitely a spin-off, but the fact that it doesn't have the traditional Alien in it doesn't put it in an entirely separate timeline/universe (unless you simply choose to ignore it, which is just a matter of preference). It takes place ~30 years before the events of Alien, regardless of the fact that it doesn't actually feature the Alien.
So that means the humans in Alien and the Space Jockey frozen to the chair are technically members of the same spieces. I bet they didn't see that coming in 1979.
Yup, that's Ridley's intention.
Instead of finding a dead alien, the crew of the Nostromo discovered a dead god.
That's scary in my books.
It's not even a god, it's a human. That's f**king M. Night Shyalamamala level shit.
I think it's still supposed to be a god, though not the one Shaw was hoping for. I'm hoping the sequel will show them cultured (though maybe silent) but brutal. That conveys an alienness despite physical similarities. It still works for me and as long as the Engineers don't sit and debate in congress like some dull Lucas script they could still be an imposing presence. Their ancient need for the ultimate weapon is an interesting story from which the alien sprung.
It's an Alien film, I'm sure the only reason there was back peddling on that definition was because a film that doesn't feature Facehuugers Chestbursters and the big chap might be considered false advertising in some eyes - but I see no problem in connecting the origins of A L I E N in Prometheus.
Except the events in Prometheus had absolutly nothing to do with Alien or the sequels. Not a prequel by any means, more along the lines of a spin off.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Feb 27, 2013, 09:45:53 PM
Except the events in Prometheus had absolutly nothing to do with Alien or the sequels. Not a prequel by any means, more along the lines of a spin off.
Why do you say that? The events of Prometheus are are about the discovery of the race that built the Juggeraut and the weapon in carries. It has more to do with Alien than most of Alien's sequels. It just happens to not be retreading the most obvious format for sequels and prequels. And all strength to it for doing that.
You can hardly say Prometheus isn't a prequel to Alien simply because it has no familiar facehuggers or adult alien when everything that housed the alien is established as a backdrop, and the weapon is clearly something that leads to any number of variants on the way to the perfect organism. It absolutely connects and has everything to do with Alien. It also manages not to conflict with the sequels and view them as the simpler route of alien gestation stemming from one batch of eggs - eggs that might predate the distillation of the bio weapon.
Since Ripley nor the Aliens were involved. It did not answer the question of whether or not the Alien was created by the Engineers or discovered. It did not reference how WY found out about the Alien, or what engineer was doing on Lv-426. How can it be a prequel if it is unrelated to the original movie? Prometheus is just a Engineer spinoff.
It's set prior to the events of the Alien, so naturally those questions won't be addressed just yet. The film already set itself up for a sequel so hopefully those questions will be answered at some point.
I wouldn't mind if they're never answered. I'd be just fine if the Prometheus franchise ran concurrently with the Alien franchise without ever directly crossing over.
Ah, you're a person that needs the end of a prequel to link directly to the start of the original movie. Ok, but that doesn't always have to be the case does it?
Not all prequels follow that route, especially those that were planned as multiple movies from the start.
It didn't answer the question of whether or not the Engineers created the Alien, but did it need to? It doesn't take too much speculation to assume the Engineers either use the alien, or a distillation of it in the research into a weapon. The fact that something that is a subverted simpler version of the perfect organism shows up in the conclusion is a hint to where the Engineers experiments lead. By accident or design. Is the Deacon a watered down version of the ultimate weapon due the goo that created it being in essence the perfect organism, but only a droplet combined with two humans?
Did WY ever know about the alien? They only knew there was an alien signal emanating from a planet near one that they had previously explored and where their founder disappeared.
And Ripley? Really? Was she essential in the idea of prequel? Did you want a 15 year old Brett too? That's more of a George Lucas approach. I'd rather a prequel came from a more obtuse angle, than this fanwank name checking routine that serves no purpose other than knowing self-awareness. Which has no long term worth.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Feb 27, 2013, 11:16:17 PM
It did not answer the question of whether or not the Alien was created by the Engineers or discovered.
Nope, but it did show them having interaction with them.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Feb 27, 2013, 11:16:17 PM
It did not reference how WY found out about the Alien,
Prometheus's flight recorder might say different.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Feb 27, 2013, 11:16:17 PM
or what engineer was doing on Lv-426.
It was dead. It wasn't doing much.
I wasn't expecting the end of Prometheus to be the beginning of Alien or any of that nonsense. I am just pointing out that at this point you can't call Prometheus a prequel to Alien when both films are barely connected.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Feb 28, 2013, 12:49:18 AM
I wasn't expecting the end of Prometheus to be the beginning of Alien or any of that nonsense. I am just pointing out that at this point you can't call Prometheus a prequel to Alien when both films are barely connected.
Storywise, well, not really. They both have things going wrong in them.
Themes though...
Weyland.
"Building Better Worlds."
Androids.
Alien creatures that look/act very familiar.
LV_223 like LV_426.
The Engineers.
Spaceships that look functional.
Giger's paintings.
Cryotubes.
The Theme from Alien is in the score!
Lions.
Tigers.
Bears.
Oh My.
In the Aliens universe, ok I can buy that.. Sort of, still lacks a connection to the plot Alien movies other then the Engineers and Weyland. By that logic the AvP films can be seen as prequels to the Alien series.
Well no, not really, they've got Predators in them. Ergo - WTF is going on?
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Feb 28, 2013, 01:04:07 AM
By that logic the AvP films can be seen as prequels to the Alien series.
That was the intention when they came out (hence Weyland and Yutani), but
Prometheus kind of retconned them.
I feel obliged to point out that the HiSHE video for Prometheus features an ending that connects it to Alien in a perfectly logical manner.
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 27, 2013, 09:58:51 AM
I'd love to add Outland to my list...
Agreed. I just saw it again in HD. Con-Am 27 on Io is how I've always pictured Thedus.
-Alien | Aliens
-Alien 3 | Prometheus
-The Parodies
Not a fan of Alien Resurrection, are you? :laugh:
Not even the gorgeous score?
The movie is just so OTT and ridiculous to me that I can't even understand it being next to the others. That said, I guess that's beneficial seeing as I don't have to get my panties in a knot thinking that a movie like that really comes after Alien 3. It's kind of like an extended a high-budget fan film with Sigourney Weaver. The score was okay to my recollection, but I can't really recall much... so that may be representative of how much I care for it. Only seen the movie four times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_HBEsql2KQ# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_HBEsql2KQ#)
Better produced, orchestrated, and more melodic than the Prometheus score, that's for sure. It's excellent, if nowhere near as good as the scores for the first three.
Aye. It's a great score... that's just beautiful stuff :)
i have no idea how i got to see this movie in theaters at 14... i was with my mother and a cousin.. but still, wtf? There were other kids in the theater too if i remember well! :laugh:
Bitch please. I saw it age 7. Still remember that pull back shot revealing the Queen's head up on the big screen. Good times.
Dat Newborn reveal. He hadnt been in any promo materials, had he?.. nobody had any idea what to expect when we were suddenly taken to the Queen's birthing chamber. I remember absolute silence in the room... and terror at the sight :laugh:
A few people said around that time that the newborn gave them nightmares. I had a few too :)
..and then i go online and i find that people hate the guy! awww shucks. :laugh:
I just remember loving the whole thing and leaving the theater really excited. :laugh: No terror, just joy :P Still love the film to this day -- it's got enormous flaws, but there's still nothing else like it, and it flies its freak flag proud. Contrast with my other favorite film of the year at the time, The Lost World, which I thought was amazing back then but now realize is a total sack of shit :P
lost world was one i saw and i remember being weirdly disapointed with it... i didnt get as much excitement out of the film as other people at the time..
I still love pete postlethwaite's character though :)
That film still has a few good scenes :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NaBHCuxqhA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NaBHCuxqhA#ws)
He should have been the main character. :laugh:
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2013, 07:02:59 AM
I just remember loving the whole thing and leaving the theater really excited. :laugh: No terror, just joy :P Still love the film to this day -- it's got enormous flaws, but there's still nothing else like it, and it flies its freak flag proud. Contrast with my other favorite film of the year at the time, The Lost World, which I thought was amazing back then but now realize is a total sack of shit :P
The Lost World is a total sack of shit and you like Alien: Resurrection? You crazy.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 28, 2013, 07:25:49 AM
The Lost World is a total sack of shit and you like Alien: Resurrection? You crazy.
What was your preferred ranking of the films again?
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2013, 07:02:59 AM
I just remember loving the whole thing and leaving the theater really excited. :laugh: No terror, just joy :P Still love the film to this day -- it's got enormous flaws, but there's still nothing else like it, and it flies its freak flag proud. Contrast with my other favorite film of the year at the time, The Lost World, which I thought was amazing back then but now realize is a total sack of shit :P
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Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2013, 07:51:23 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 28, 2013, 07:25:49 AM
The Lost World is a total sack of shit and you like Alien: Resurrection? You crazy.
What was your preferred ranking of the films again?
How can you call TLW, a film which logically follows after its predecessor in terms of story, a sack of shit in comparison to a movie that was almost literally pulled out of a movie studio's ass just to make extra cash off a dying franchise?
Opinion?
An opinion I heavily disagree with -- but an opinion regardless.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 28, 2013, 10:32:41 AM
How can you call TLW, a film which logically follows after its predecessor in terms of story, a sack of shit in comparison to a movie that was almost literally pulled out of a movie studio's ass just to make extra cash off a dying franchise?
TLW logically follows nothing -- it's an ass pull all its own: OH, HEY, THERE WAS ANOTHER ISLAND GUYS LOL SEQUEL TIME. The characters are idiots, the plot is inane, and somehow the special effects are even a step down from the first one. It's just a terrible movie, through and through. Alien Resurrection has lots of terrible bits, but it also has beautiful production design, an excellent score, and Jean Pierre Jeunet's signature, whacked out style.
It ends with an A-list actress making out with her mutant grandchild. At least it has a spine.
TLW, meanwhile, has gymnastics.
Quote from: Alien³ on Feb 28, 2013, 10:07:48 AM
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Promeefeus mutant sperm guy: self-portrait.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2013, 04:56:11 PM
it's an ass pull all its own: OH, HEY, THERE WAS ANOTHER ISLAND GUYS LOL SEQUEL TIME. The characters are idiots, the plot is inane,
You must be joking.
If TLW is guilty of what you say A:R is that but on black goo acid. A:R OH, HEY, WE HAVE RIPLEY'S BLOOD, SHE'S BACK BUT A SUPERHERO. LOL SEQUEL TIME. and the plot is waaaaay more insane than TLW.
Not that the films have anything related other than cloning, genetic monsters, and things going wrong.
Never said Alien Resurrection wasn't an ass pull. Difference is it's a striking, interesting, unique ass pull.
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2013, 05:19:50 PM
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I find myself revisting The Lost World way more than Alien Rez.
dinosrs r awesum 4eva
Spoiler
;D
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2013, 06:07:14 PM
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Hey, didn't you write some ebook or something? What was it about again?
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2013, 06:12:49 PM
Hey, didn't you write some ebook or something? What was it about again?
Dinosaurs. Yeah I love them.
So what...
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Strangest review ever:
QuoteI could put this book down. The description of the characters and the scenery was truely amazing. This book had everything from romance, action and sci-fi. I am certainly recomending this book to others
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 28, 2013, 06:41:37 PM
Strangest review ever: QuoteI could put this book down. The description of the characters and the scenery was truely amazing. This book had everything from romance, action and sci-fi. I am certainly recomending this book to others
I think she meant "I couldn't put this book down" haha
At least I hope that's what she meant :-\
Haha, I'm sure she did ;)
Quote from: Cvalda on Feb 28, 2013, 07:02:59 AM
I just remember loving the whole thing and leaving the theater really excited. :laugh: No terror, just joy :P Still love the film to this day -- it's got enormous flaws, but there's still nothing else like it, and it flies its freak flag proud.
Appalling.
Stop liking what I don't like!
Aliens for sure
My favorites are Alien and Aliens
I like all the Aliens that are Aliens in all the Aliens films
:P
Aliens all the way! I love alien and alien3 aswell though, didn't much care for Rez though :/
I saw Aliens in theatres last week and they were screening the theatrical edition. I'll tell ya, it was actually bothering me, knowing where the extra scenes went in and not actually seeing them, lol.
Theatrical cut is better anyway. Leaner, meaner, and none of the cringe-inducing stuff like Hudson's "badass" monologue or the "Don't be gone long, Ellen" exchange, ugh.
Hudson is a cringe inducing character.. and the monologue just makes sense for the guy. :laugh: It also makes his fall into utter panic more ironic. :P
Kinda wished Prometheus got a special cut as well but alas... Ridley is bonkers nowadays.
Quote from: Cvalda on Apr 01, 2013, 03:12:18 AM
Theatrical cut is better anyway. Leaner, meaner, and none of the cringe-inducing stuff like Hudson's "badass" monologue or the "Don't be gone long, Ellen" exchange, ugh.
I liked Hudson's "badass" monologue, actually :D And the "Ellen" exchange, I'm kind of take it or leave it. I like the point its making, but it is a bit forced.
The only thing that annoys me a bit in the extended cut is the cut from Ripley learning her daughter died to her meeting with the WY execs. The stuff with Ripley's daughter is great, but the transition in her character from one scene to the next is a bit jarring.
I like the stuff with Newt's family discovering the Derelict, etc (even though the acting is pretty dreadful), but they were right when they said the entire reel could be cut with no big loss. Theatrical Cut fo-eva.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 01, 2013, 03:18:17 AM
Quote from: Cvalda on Apr 01, 2013, 03:12:18 AM
Theatrical cut is better anyway. Leaner, meaner, and none of the cringe-inducing stuff like Hudson's "badass" monologue or the "Don't be gone long, Ellen" exchange, ugh.
I liked Hudson's "badass" monologue, actually :D And the "Ellen" exchange, I'm kind of take it or leave it. I like the point its making, but it is a bit forced.
The only thing that annoys me a bit in the extended cut is the cut from Ripley learning her daughter died to her meeting with the WY execs. The stuff with Ripley's daughter is great, but the transition in her character from one scene to the next is a bit jarring.
My thoughts exactly.
Also something else I noticed. In the opening shot of the shuttle right before it's picked up by the salvage crew, when the camera is panning around inside the dark interior, I SWEAR there's a silhouette of a Jockey in the corner. I wish had a screen cap to illustrate it, but if you look closely, it's on the wall to what would be the right of the cryo-tube. You can make out a trunk as well as the thing's head. I'm sure it's just a coat or something like that but it looks like an honest-to-goodness Jockey.
Theatrical + Derelict 'discovery' would be the perfect version.
nah unnecessary scene really
turret scene is what im missing from the theatrical cut, shows how smarter are the aliens
Quote from: Omegazilla on Apr 01, 2013, 11:52:40 AMTheatrical + Derelict 'discovery' would be the perfect version.
Never liked the derelict scene or any of the 'pre invasion' scenes on the colony - as good as they are, they kind of just plop in to fill back story that doesn't need to be filled. I also prefer Newt as the nobody lost child, rather than the traumatized daughter of the guy who found the alien ship - too smart for its own good and forgets why Newt works IMO.
But 'dat atmosphere, man.
Really links you with the discovery of the ship in the first film. I freaking love that.
Derelict discovery is in for me. Going immediately from "the colony's fine!" to "we've lost contact with the colony!" is hilarious. The Hadley's Hope scenes for me are heavy with doom - everyone we see, even that kid on the tricycle, is going to die a horrific, protracted, alien rape death. Seeing them flustered by rain and disobedient kids and just the general blue-collar bullshit has a great effect on me. Death is just around the corner and nobody knows...
I agree. The image of the child on the tricycle is especially haunting, always found.
Quote from: Omegazilla on May 02, 2013, 03:27:27 PM
I agree. The image of the child on the tricycle is especially haunting, always found.
I wonder why? :P
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Too bad the acting in the derelict discovery scene is atrocious.
"I'LL TAN BOTH YOUR HIDES!"
Alien (closely followed by Alien 3) as it is one of my favorite top-20 movies of all time. Such a masterpiece if you ask me.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 02, 2013, 07:09:09 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on May 02, 2013, 03:27:27 PM
I agree. The image of the child on the tricycle is especially haunting, always found.
I wonder why? :P
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'xactly.
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 02, 2013, 02:59:43 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Apr 01, 2013, 11:52:40 AMTheatrical + Derelict 'discovery' would be the perfect version.
Never liked the derelict scene or any of the 'pre invasion' scenes on the colony - as good as they are, they kind of just plop in to fill back story that doesn't need to be filled. I also prefer Newt as the nobody lost child, rather than the traumatized daughter of the guy who found the alien ship - too smart for its own good and forgets why Newt works IMO.
I'd agree with this. Newt's a survivor and that's all anyone really needs to know. The dialogue in the theatrical cut does a good enough job of setting up what happened even if a viewer hasn't seen Alien beforehand.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 02, 2013, 03:14:23 PMGoing immediately from "the colony's fine!" to "we've lost contact with the colony!" is hilarious.
True, the film doesn't do enough to establish the time difference, but everything else in the extra scenes is established effectively in dialogue, making them feel out of place IMO. Cool scenes, just superfluous I reckon.
Quote from: Valaquen on May 02, 2013, 03:14:23 PM...even that kid on the tricycle, is going to die a horrific, protracted, alien rape death.
Lalalalalalalalalalalalala, I can't hear you. ;D
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on May 02, 2013, 07:09:09 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on May 02, 2013, 03:27:27 PM
I agree. The image of the child on the tricycle is especially haunting, always found.
I wonder why? :P
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I wonder if it was a deliberate nod? The kid on the tricycle alone wouldnt suggest it, but coupled with other nods to Kubrick such as using Gayane's Adagio for space shots of floating spaceship and the use of Lovejoy, it may be a possibility
Quote from: ChrisPachi on May 02, 2013, 02:59:43 PM
Quote from: Omegazilla on Apr 01, 2013, 11:52:40 AMTheatrical + Derelict 'discovery' would be the perfect version.
Never liked the derelict scene or any of the 'pre invasion' scenes on the colony - as good as they are, they kind of just plop in to fill back story that doesn't need to be filled. I also prefer Newt as the nobody lost child, rather than the traumatized daughter of the guy who found the alien ship - too smart for its own good and forgets why Newt works IMO.
None of the extra footage is needed. It's only building on what's already there in the theatrcial cut; not adding anything new. Even arguably detracting with the ever-so-convenient "Guess what - Ripley had a daughter! :) But she's all old and dead. :( But nevermind - here's another one! :)"
Quote from: StrangeShape on May 03, 2013, 02:50:53 AM
I wonder if it was a deliberate nod? The kid on the tricycle alone wouldnt suggest it, but coupled with other nods to Kubrick such as using Gayane's Adagio for space shots of floating spaceship and the use of Lovejoy, it may be a possibility
Gayane's Adagio is probably just another of Horner's little plagiarisms he works into many of his scores.
With Aliens he mostly plagiarised himself. Mostly.
The only thing I'd add is the first half of the Hadley's Hope stuff, before the Jordans find the derelict, if only to gap "They're okay" and "We've lost contact". The derelict stuff can stay on the cutting room floor.
Acting in that scene is also atrocious, though.
I really don't see a problem with it in that scene. Given that the dialogue's exclusively expository and it's their only scene, it's not like they had much to work with.
Quote from: SM on May 03, 2013, 03:02:52 AM
With Aliens he mostly plagiarised himself. Mostly.
A lot of Horner's score sounds same around that time period. His score for Krull has a lot of similar beats that remind me of Aliens.
Off Topic Question:
Also, didn't he get fired and then rehired during the scoring session of Aliens? Why was that?
I know Horner butted heads with Cameron and Hurd (Horner said at one point that he couldn't do it in the time allowed, and Hurd threatened to get someone who could, and Horner said 'Please do'). I don't think he was ever fired though.
You can trace pretty much every cue in Aliens back to Star Trek 2, Star Trek 3, and Battle Beyond The Stars. The stuff that doesn't reference Alien or 2001 that is.
Haven't listened to Krull. Must check it out.
My favorite would have to be Aliens. Back when I first saw it as a kid, I thought it was the most awesome thing in the world. And while of course that position would later be taken by another movie, Aliens would still remain my favorite of the series, with Alien following closely behind.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Feb 27, 2013, 11:16:17 PM
Since Ripley nor the Aliens were involved. It did not answer the question of whether or not the Alien was created by the Engineers or discovered. It did not reference how WY found out about the Alien, or what engineer was doing on Lv-426. How can it be a prequel if it is unrelated to the original movie? Prometheus is just a Engineer spinoff.
Didn't answer many questions tbh, not least why the Engineers in Prometheus were clearly significantly shorter than the one Kane and co found in Alien. There's about 20-30 others but I'm sure they've all long since been debated to death...
Favourite Alien films?
1. Aliens
2. Alien
Quote from: SM on May 17, 2013, 03:24:45 AM
I know Horner butted heads with Cameron and Hurd (Horner said at one point that he couldn't do it in the time allowed, and Hurd threatened to get someone who could, and Horner said 'Please do'). I don't think he was ever fired though.
You can trace pretty much every cue in Aliens back to Star Trek 2, Star Trek 3, and Battle Beyond The Stars. The stuff that doesn't reference Alien or 2001 that is.
Haven't listened to Krull. Must check it out.
I'm assuming that when she said that to him she was expecting him to say "oh, no! please!" and when he said "please do" she probably checked herself.
People forget that Cameron and Hurd were nobodies in 1986, even with The Terminator done. Them threatening to fire someone would've been like Scott Derrickson threatening to fire someone now. I'd probably say "see ya."
Love Aliens, saw it on CBS when I was 9 or 10 I think. Picked up the Director's Cut on VHS then when that Quadrilogy set came out, phew! I love Aliens so much I didn't even sit down to really watch Alien until Prometheus was coming out so I could prep.
Favorite Theatrical version: Alien
Favorite Director's Cut/Extended version: Alien (WHY did they ever cut the cocoon scene?!?)
Personal overall favorite: ALIEN 3 Assembly Cut
The dark, hopeless, defenseless atmosphere of Alien3 AC is simply great. The extended scenes and ox alien make so much more sense and completely change the movie from a sure D- to A or A+. Sure, Aliens had firepower and action (which is always good), but I prefer a more stark and frightening atmosphere for the series. Considering Fincher had SO many problems, it is a complete success he even stayed on to finish it. As for Alien Rez, well, read my signature line.
I voted alien 3 as it was the only one I saw in a cinema, and the soundtrack was good :D
Goldenthal's music in that film is to die for. Beautiful and haunting material.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Jun 21, 2013, 07:05:43 PM
Goldenthal's music in that film is to die for.
Ripley thought so, too.
If we are going to have a good sendoff for Rip, I can't think of better music to play.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Jun 21, 2013, 07:05:43 PM
Goldenthal's music in that film is to die for. Beautiful and haunting material.
I'm sure parts of it turned up in Batman Forever.
Aliens- Fast paced, suspenseful at points, exposes you to a lot more technology and the Queen (and the bad ass marines), possibly some of the greatest dialogue in any movie.
Alien- Suspenseful, dark, creepy, a little bit of a thriller, exposes you to a whole new universe and genre of film. (The only reason it's behind ALIENS is because I'm more of the action/suspense/thrill type of person, otherwise they're both 10/10 for me)
(Prometheus at number 3, if you count it as an Alien film)
Alien 3- Very cool alien breed, but other than that it really doesnt have much else going for it, it killed off all the people from Aliens and really just was a shitty mess for what it could have been.
Alien Resurrection- Completely ruined the Aliens franchise, made it seem like a joke, and because of that I honestly think we will never see another perfect Alien film like the first two.
ALIEN is definitely number 1 for me, not only out of the Alien movies, but out of film itself.
Aliens made the alien look like a dumb bug to me. The alien of ALIEN took its time and seemed to take a sick pleasure out of killing its prey - playing around with it before it anally raped it with its tail. The thing I disliked most about Aliens was the removal of the dome. The dome played such a big role in Giger's original art piece. The visible human skull made the alien seem so organic, yet it was cords and wires which made it feel inorganic; a mixture that scares the audience the most because they aren't completely sure if it's something that could actually exist or not. The dome also made it look almost like a spaceman outfit. I also like how the original alien walks and acts more like a man whereas the ones in Aliens just seemed like a bunch of crazed animals.
If Alien 3 got me more attached to the characters as the first and second one did, that would probably put Alien 3 in second place. The fact that Newt, Bishop, Hicks (and eventually Ripley) die were a great way to end the series. Nature is brutal - fair and unfair do not exist. I like how there's no candy-coating bullshit. Plus I enjoy this alien design ("runner"/"dog alien") better than that of Aliens.
Tough choice. Honestly though, I have to go with the original. The creature was far more threatening compared to later installments even if it stood on its own. I appreciate Alien 3's effort to return to this idea, and I do enjoy the movie a lot. This doesn't mean I don't like Aliens, the memorable characters contribute to an excellent film. The 4th movie is fun on a random Saturday. Honestly, I like them all, but I have to go with the original.
Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3, are all equally loved by me. (Hey! It rhymes!)
Hello,the original Alien is a long time favourite of mine for many reasons,mainly for the original Alien design wich in my opinion has never been equaled much less surpassed,also the small cast of very talented actors who brought the vivid characters to life and Ridley Scott's masterful direction.Aliens and Alien3 would both be a close second.I wouldn't touch the others with a barge poll,they do nothing but trash the memory of the first two.
Quote from: DEADLY_VENGEANCE on Jul 27, 2013, 03:40:46 AM
Plus I enjoy this alien design ("runner"/"dog alien") better than that of Aliens.
I enjoy the design of the runner as well but my fave is the original, and so by default I love Aliens design second best since theyre basically the same (http://www.jamescamerononline.com/AlienWarrior.htm (http://www.jamescamerononline.com/AlienWarrior.htm)) whereas the Runner removes biomech from the creature (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a277/lovegunner/AVP/01063_Alien_Sibthor.png, (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a277/lovegunner/AVP/01063_Alien_Sibthor.png,) http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a277/lovegunner/AVP/neck2.jpg (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a277/lovegunner/AVP/neck2.jpg))
Alien is my all time favourite movie. The set pieces, the environments, the actors, the screenplay, the pacing, the lighting, the entire atmosphere is perfect. It truly brings the feeling of facing an unstoppable unknown entity, a humanoid 7 foot tall nightmare. Kane's son.
I do enjoy the sequel but it leaves me with a bitter after taste because I can't help but feel that it ruined the sense of horror the first one gave us, the feeling of facing something unknown and unstoppable. In the sequel they just shoot them dead with a burst from a rifle..The only reason they lost was because of their sloppiness and superior officer that wouldn't allow them to keep their ammo. They didn't lose because they were facing a true unstoppable nightmare. in Alien 3 they lost because they didn't have any weapons. But at least that movie had the darker tone of the original and a new original Alien that didn't mess with the original Giger alien.
Didn't want to bother starting a new thread for this, but anyone with a copy of Alien handy (theatrical) go to 1:16:09 (just after the scene cuts from Mother's UNABLE TO CLARIFY back to Ripley). Extreme left frame.
Quote from: SM on Oct 04, 2013, 06:06:02 AM
Didn't want to bother starting a new thread for this, but anyone with a copy of Alien handy (theatrical) go to 1:16:09 (just after the scene cuts from Mother's UNABLE TO CLARIFY back to Ripley). Extreme left frame.
There's nothing there! Plus the time isn't right.
Go have another look. Timing might be slightly off on NTSC systems. Main thing is right after UNABLE TO CLARIFY and cut back to Ripley.
The first is horror, dealing with an alien that is revealed fully only at the end. Obviously, that could no longer be done with the second, which is why it employs another genre: action. Given that, the third uses something similar to detective fiction, which is appropriate.
Quote from: SM on Oct 04, 2013, 06:06:02 AM
Didn't want to bother starting a new thread for this, but anyone with a copy of Alien handy (theatrical) go to 1:16:09 (just after the scene cuts from Mother's UNABLE TO CLARIFY back to Ripley). Extreme left frame.
I'll see what I can do. You want a screen cap? Anything specific you're looking for?
Quote from: monkeylove on Oct 05, 2013, 03:40:20 PM
The first is horror, dealing with an alien that is revealed fully only at the end. Obviously, that could no longer be done with the second, which is why it employs another genre: action. Given that, the third uses something similar to detective fiction, which is appropriate.
The only thing we learn at the end of the first movie is that it indeed looks like a humanoid, other than that, we know nothing about it; intelligence, strength, reproduction etc. Only guesses can be made.
I think the sequel would have been way more frightening if the marines were realistically portraid as a disciplined group of marines that still get their butts handed to them because of the enemy is way smarter and stronger than the marines and their weapons.
I hate that facepalm feeling I get when Gorman orders their ammo away, which probably was a safe bet since who can trust these "marines" to check their fire? I think if they were actual marines their superior would inform them of the reactor and trust their judgement and training to deal with the situation safely without putting their squadmates in jepoardy.
It's funny though how they should have removed the flamethrowers aswell because look what happens when the medic gets grabbed by the first full grown xeno, she puts the guy with the ammo bag on fire :P I know Cameron said he didn't know anything about the real marines when he wrote the movie and I know it's an 80s action movie but I just can't get around the bad writing when the first one was so exceptionally executed.
Okey so the first one isn't perfect either; if they had listened to Parker's suggestion to freeze Kane, they'd be safe but there wouldn't be a movie, and sending only Dallas into the vent when they know how big and dangerous the alien is was probably not the smartest idea either.
Quote from: SM on Oct 04, 2013, 06:06:02 AM
Didn't want to bother starting a new thread for this, but anyone with a copy of Alien handy (theatrical) go to 1:16:09 (just after the scene cuts from Mother's UNABLE TO CLARIFY back to Ripley). Extreme left frame.
This is what I got (1:19:24 for me, right after "UNABLE TO CLARIFY").
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Is that what you were looking for?
Quote from: Predatorium on Oct 05, 2013, 08:05:16 PM
The only thing we learn at the end of the first movie is that it indeed looks like a humanoid, other than that, we know nothing about it; intelligence, strength, reproduction etc. Only guesses can be made.
I think the sequel would have been way more frightening if the marines were realistically portraid as a disciplined group of marines that still get their butts handed to them because of the enemy is way smarter and stronger than the marines and their weapons.
I hate that facepalm feeling I get when Gorman orders their ammo away, which probably was a safe bet since who can trust these "marines" to check their fire? I think if they were actual marines their superior would inform them of the reactor and trust their judgement and training to deal with the situation safely without putting their squadmates in jepoardy.
It's funny though how they should have removed the flamethrowers aswell because look what happens when the medic gets grabbed by the first full grown xeno, she puts the guy with the ammo bag on fire :P I know Cameron said he didn't know anything about the real marines when he wrote the movie and I know it's an 80s action movie but I just can't get around the bad writing when the first one was so exceptionally executed.
Okey so the first one isn't perfect either; if they had listened to Parker's suggestion to freeze Kane, they'd be safe but there wouldn't be a movie, and sending only Dallas into the vent when they know how big and dangerous the alien is was probably not the smartest idea either.
According to the wiki entry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_(film)#Origins_and_inspiration
the director drew inspiration from the Vietnam War.
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Oct 05, 2013, 08:15:54 PM
This is what I got (1:19:24 for me, right after "UNABLE TO CLARIFY").
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Is that what you were looking for?
According to this source:
http://www.moviemistakes.com/film37/corrections (http://www.moviemistakes.com/film37/corrections)
there's supposed to be a moving shadow.
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Oct 05, 2013, 07:56:30 PM
Quote from: SM on Oct 04, 2013, 06:06:02 AM
Didn't want to bother starting a new thread for this, but anyone with a copy of Alien handy (theatrical) go to 1:16:09 (just after the scene cuts from Mother's UNABLE TO CLARIFY back to Ripley). Extreme left frame.
I'll see what I can do. You want a screen cap? Anything specific you're looking for?
Nah, I found it, I just wanted others to go have a look.
Quotethere's supposed to be a moving shadow.
There's a moving shadow of the door opening (or closing). Shoulda known others probably noticed it years ago. ;D
It's probably just Ash sneaking in.
The thread title mildly misleading...
There is Alien!
and alienS!
The trashy franchise being the latter.
AlienS is so good,
that its not only ruined "action" movies,
but video games and general pop culture.
Wut
Wat
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Oh boy
Aliens ;D
Quote from: SM on Oct 07, 2013, 09:36:39 AMThere's a moving shadow of the door opening (or closing). Shoulda known others probably noticed it years ago.
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Spoiler
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It could be Ash's shadow or a behind the scenes crewmember accidentally caught on film.
I can understand why people pick Alien ahead of Aliens and even pick Alien 3 ahead of Aliens. Can't understand why anyone would pick Alien Rez over Alien or Aliens. I understand that a lot of people didn't like how they made the alien less threatening in Aliens and thus even prefer Alien 3 over Aliens but how can you pick Alien 3 over Alien .
Alien is superior in almost every way. Both have a lone single Alien and limited means which to combat that Alien. But the characters in alien are far better and the Alien is better despite the advances in technology and film making.
for me Aliens is my favourite but Alien now is virtually neck and neck and in many ways I admit it is a superior film. While Alien 3 is a good film it just does not stand up to the first two but at least it feels like its in the same universe while Alien Rez just doesn't feel like its from the same series just lacks the quality esp of the first two films but even falls behind the third film.
Well, I can at least try to explain why Alien 3 is the closest one to my favorite, if someone would put a gun against my head and force me to chose one from the trilogy , which I consider as one and love equally. But Alien 3 has that eerie feel that I never found in any other movie. The way it opens, the chilly soundtrack, the dirty, basement like environment, the loneliness, the helplessness, the gruesome alien (its birth especially) lurking somewhere, the drama of Ripleys character with "terminal illness", theres so much richness to it, and the moody feel is really unique
Perhaps Nostalgia also plays a factor, since it was the first Alien movie I saw when it first got released on VHS and the movie that got into it all
I adore the trillogy but I lean towards A3 for four reasons:
1) The soundtrack. The previous two were good, the third is phenominal.
2) The feeling of vulnerability. Compared to the first two films Ripley is SO vulnerable. No pulse rifles, no flame throwers, no laser pistols, no motion trackers, no friends.
3) The enviroment: The rundown industrial look of the first film was incredible, and echoed by the simultaniously practical and alien space in Aliens. But A3 presented such an odd mix of fine decor, ruined industrial and practical workspace. The individual elements are all recognisable but they combine into such a wonderful "worn in" and "evolved over time" feeling which the previous sets (and the majority of other sci-fi sets) understandibly lack.
4) Mobility. A3 is the first time we really see an alien move. In the first two films we almost entirely see static shots or very brief clips of shadowed movement. The alien lunging into the lift in Aliens is incredible, but it is the only real movement we see. Then in A3 the critter is much more dynamic and active. Even with the dodgy blending (and the questionable spider style wall walking rather then previous climbing along pipes etc) it is fascinating to watch.
The film is flawed, all three are, but it has some of the stand out highs which I find myself drawn back to again and again.
1. Alien: Director's Cut
2. Prometheus
3. Alien-3: Assembly Cut
4. Aliens: Extended Cut
My personal preferences, not what I actually view to be superior just in terms of enjoyability.
Alien, nothing really needs to be said it is the best and a masterpiece.
Prometheus is flawed but less-so than Alien-3 IMO, I love what was opened up.
I adore the Engineers and a darker no-win scenario. Editing is my only gripe with this film, sure it runs the smoothest of all Ridley's films but it doesn't give you all the time to admire the answers to the questions which are primarily visual.
The answers are still all there, of course apart from the obvious ones that Shaw asks at the end.
I love this film to bits, it's so close to what I want the Alien franchise to be. A mix of this and elements from Alien and I think Paradise will be perfect.
Alien-3. Golic, Dillian, Morse the emotional moments, the speeches. Awe-inspiring and this clearly has the most gore of all the films. I love how they even bothered to make the Alien more animalistic. Almost like a lesser son to Alien but never-the-less fantastic in it's own right. And I love the sacrifice and then the sun curving around the planet. This film's a great conclusion to Ripley's story (I don't consider Ripley 8 to be the same person) especially the Assembly Cut.
Aliens is great, but like in the way Terminator 2 is great it is not great in the way that I prefer the cold brutality of the original Terminator. I like it and I see no problem with it, but I don't believe it should be the focus of the series.
And as for Resurrection, it's a fun Dark-Comedy and I enjoy a couple of characters but thank cuss nothing in it matters in the end.
To me, the first 3 Alien movies are like the first two Superman films, meant to be interpreted as one epic rather than a series of standalone films. Resurrection is the only one that feels "tagged on" for me, but I still enjoy it.
Alien is a classic....loved since I was a teenager. Great direction, performances, design and probably the greatest horror film ever made, an easy 10 out of 10 for me.
Aliens would be an 8.5, Alien 3 a 6 (it was just so bleak on first viewing, but I have warmed to it now).
AR is probably a 3....I don't find much in it to enjoy sadly. I'm not a fan of Prometheus either.
Can I twitch vote like a 13 year old?
I always enjoyed Aliens, Alien, Alien3. I love the hive concept .
Quote from: Henriksen on Jan 29, 2014, 01:23:27 AM
To me, the first 3 Alien movies are like the first two Superman films, meant to be interpreted as one epic rather than a series of standalone films. Resurrection is the only one that feels "tagged on" for me, but I still enjoy it.
If only Richard Donner hadn't been booted out I'd probably feel the same way about Superman 1 and 2. But the Lester tone is so different that it never quite has the same oomph.
Likewise with ALIEN, there was a greatness that was never recaptured.
Alien and aliens are my favorites of the series.
Alien 3 . I liked Alien also , so that's why it has the second place after the 3rd movie . Alien 3 felt more nice and the atmosphere was good ! :)
Alien
I can literally watch it over and over. It feels perfect, and a lot of the crews' behavior can be justified with a little bit of creative thought. Maybe Ripley should've left the cat, but I like that scene, because if you'd never seen it before, it's supposed to make you think that Ripley might've just pulled a Brett (looking for the cat = death). Meanwhile, Parker and Lambert are together and armed (and Parker is the toughest of the crew) so it seems more likely that they would be less likely to be the ones that the crew would attack (from a certain point of view). Granted, you could also say that they were making more noise and were a bigger target than Ripley. I like the scene in retrospect because it really could go either way and until Jones jumps out and the scary music starts to play, you're not really sure who's going to buy the farm.
The movie's biggest head-scratcher as far as I'm concerned is the company and its behavior. But given that we have no direct contact with them, we're left to draw our own conclusions. Ultimately I guess it doesn't matter too much, but I wonder why they'd have to resort to such a gamble. All part of the movie's charm, and the company as far as I'm concerned is all the more mysterious and evil because we're so disconnected from them.
Why else do I love Alien the most? 1) Biggest, best sets. Great costumes and art design. 2) Small cast. 3) Dark, unromantic view of the future melded with a Gothic, mysterious view of an unexplored universe. 4) The best music (the original score as well as Jerry's Freud and the classical pieces used) heard in the series. 5) Also, the alien itself is my favorite in this one, in terms of how he looks and his behavior as a creature. 6) Ash is the best android (to be fair, the only Android I don't like is Call in Resurrection); there's a payoff with his character's behavior, with him breaking down in glorious fashion, whereas the other droids never really do. 7) Lens flare that doesn't make me want to pull an Oedipus. 8) Low budget, but it looks like a million bucks: Real sets, Animal gore. Miniatures and models. 8) The Derelict here and the way it is lit on the inside is perfect. Those glittering bones! 9) The Who's blue laser. 9) No guns. 10) Psychological depth, hidden themes, and complexity under the ostensibly "simple" action. Or, this film is pure art and can be interpreted a lot of different ways depending how you look at it.
I love Alien. : )
^^^^
Well said :)
If you haven't seen the 9th disc of ALIEN Quadrilogy. You will enjoy all the features....especially the extras from Laser Disc. It has multiple videos on the special effects...interviews of Ridley by Don Shay and one by Giger's girlfriend (at the time) Mia Bonzanigo.
Alien is my favorite, then Aliens and down the hall a bit is Alien 3.
AR is just a cartoon. I probably would like it more if it didn't have xenos and was just another monster flick(Deep Rising etc.)
AVP was pretty meh and AVP2 is complete trash.
I liked Prometheus, but it's held back by the slackjawed characters. "Oh look a Cobra analog on a planet I've never been to! Let's pet it!" etc.
You know, Aliens Resurrection was the best movie in the series, followed closely by AVP2.
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You know, Aliens Resurrection was the best movie in the series, followed closely by AVP2.
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Well I'm stuck between aliens and alien. Alien 3 wasn't that great but was ok,and resurrection was a ok movie but I have to stick with one of the two classics.
Someone once told me there were two kinds of people; Alien people and Aliens people. :P I'm inclined to believe I am Alien person. It really is a classic film in its own right, and so is Aliens, but the slow paced nature of the original and this world it set up was masterfully done.
^^^^
excellent choice! ;D
For me it's a toss up between Aliens and Alien 3... Never been a huge fan of the first Alien movie, in all honesty (and I will probably get some sh*t for saying this) I liked Prometheus better than Alien.
Quote from: locdasmoke on Aug 17, 2014, 04:45:20 PM
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Quote from: Wrecktangle on Aug 17, 2014, 09:22:01 AM
Someone once told me there were two kinds of people; Alien people and Aliens people. :P I'm inclined to believe I am Alien person. It really is a classic film in its own right, and so is Aliens, but the slow paced nature of the original and this world it set up was masterfully done.
I'm an Alien guy as well. I enjoy the sequel, but not as much as the first. I prefer the slower, horror-like tone of the first.
Quote from: Wrecktangle on Aug 17, 2014, 09:22:01 AM
Someone once told me there were two kinds of people; Alien people and Aliens people. :P I'm inclined to believe I am Alien person. It really is a classic film in its own right, and so is Aliens, but the slow paced nature of the original and this world it set up was masterfully done.
Disagree. Im an Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 guy, and since I like the slow pace and incredible buildup, I cherish the first two for that reason (Aliens has an even longer buildup), but love Alien 3 for other reasons. The trilogy is golden for me
Quote from: NickisSmart on Jul 28, 2014, 06:45:02 AM
Alien
I can literally watch it over and over. It feels perfect, and a lot of the crews' behavior can be justified with a little bit of creative thought. Maybe Ripley should've left the cat, but I like that scene, because if you'd never seen it before, it's supposed to make you think that Ripley might've just pulled a Brett (looking for the cat = death). Meanwhile, Parker and Lambert are together and armed (and Parker is the toughest of the crew) so it seems more likely that they would be less likely to be the ones that the crew would attack (from a certain point of view). Granted, you could also say that they were making more noise and were a bigger target than Ripley. I like the scene in retrospect because it really could go either way and until Jones jumps out and the scary music starts to play, you're not really sure who's going to buy the farm.
The movie's biggest head-scratcher as far as I'm concerned is the company and its behavior. But given that we have no direct contact with them, we're left to draw our own conclusions. Ultimately I guess it doesn't matter too much, but I wonder why they'd have to resort to such a gamble. All part of the movie's charm, and the company as far as I'm concerned is all the more mysterious and evil because we're so disconnected from them.
Why else do I love Alien the most? 1) Biggest, best sets. Great costumes and art design. 2) Small cast. 3) Dark, unromantic view of the future melded with a Gothic, mysterious view of an unexplored universe. 4) The best music (the original score as well as Jerry's Freud and the classical pieces used) heard in the series. 5) Also, the alien itself is my favorite in this one, in terms of how he looks and his behavior as a creature. 6) Ash is the best android (to be fair, the only Android I don't like is Call in Resurrection); there's a payoff with his character's behavior, with him breaking down in glorious fashion, whereas the other droids never really do. 7) Lens flare that doesn't make me want to pull an Oedipus. 8) Low budget, but it looks like a million bucks: Real sets, Animal gore. Miniatures and models. 8) The Derelict here and the way it is lit on the inside is perfect. Those glittering bones! 9) The Who's blue laser. 9) No guns. 10) Psychological depth, hidden themes, and complexity under the ostensibly "simple" action. Or, this film is pure art and can be interpreted a lot of different ways depending how you look at it.
I love Alien. : )
Agree, for all the same reasons.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Aug 30, 2014, 01:05:58 AM
Disagree. Im an Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 guy, and since I like the slow pace and incredible buildup, I cherish the first two for that reason (Aliens has an even longer buildup), but love Alien 3 for other reasons. The trilogy is golden for me
Same here.
Alien 3, Aliens and Aliens are tied, the Alien Res.
Alien and Aliens are both in my top ten films possible top five films. Alien 3 is not a bad film its a pretty good film esp the Assembly cut though I do prefer the Alien coming from the dog rather than the Ox. Alien 3's scripts and production was a mess and considering the trouble we got a pretty good film it just suffers in comparison to the first two.
Alien and Aliens in my opinion are the best first two films in any franchise, they exist in the same universe but are different enough to stand on their own. The first two Star Wars films, Terminator and Godfather films are very good as well but I think the first two Alien films are the greatest one-two punch in film history, so it was always going to be hard for who ever was making the third film.
As I've gotten older I've started to appreciate ALIEN more than ALIENS... I think it is because of the mysteriousness behind it all. It was the beginning after all. They're equally as dark and gritty but ALIEN shows us a bit more how massive and unknown this universe is and also how fragile we are. I'll still defend ALIEN 3 as part of the film trilogy because it does have its moment of glory...
Opposite to ALIEN... I've started to dislike A:R more and more, besides it's great cast and directorial efforts its just not on the same par as the other two or even 3... its just a movie.
I've grown more fond of AvP for some of the ideas it has too bad it had a terrible director. AvP:R was just a mess.
Prometheus I would list tied with ALIEN 3.
aliens is my fav it had more action and tons of aliens in it i really like that flim.
Alien 3 for me.
The characters are the best, Ripley really gets into the character, and environment and cinematography are my favorites.
Dillon, 85, warden, the doc are all memorable characters.
Alien vision through the tunnels (upside down even) is awesome.
If only it didn't have the production/editing/CG/plot holes issues, it would be a god damn masterpiece.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 16, 2007, 08:53:46 AM
Quote from: PeterKeyes on Aug 16, 2007, 08:23:30 AM
the wrong direction? don't take me wrong, I thought A3 was good. but james cameron wanted the ripley,newt,hicks relationship to work out. A3 dissapointed a big crowd of people. A3 was supposed to be the last one, so it should of been realy good to just end it.
The makers of Alien didn't want the sequel to go the way Cameron did it. He just got a taste of his own medicine, is all.
they did ?? wow .
well that s interesting. so they basically just wanted to eff up everything cameron did.
could you perhaps expand on that . i would like to hear more.
thanks for pointing that out sil.
alien for me is a masterpiece i always liked aliens and was
my favourite of the franchise. aliens remains a rip-off of alien. aliens is still a great movie though.
on that subject prometheus it seem also to be clone of alien
maybe im wrong.
Like mentioned somewhere else:
1. Alien
2. Aliens
3. Alien: Resurrection
4. Alien 3
I like Alien the best because it's more horror (which I prefer over action), I like the whole setting a lot, the whole mystery about the space jockey and the claustrophobic Nostromo.
Aliens is really close though. The whole Colonial Marines thing is great, just as the queen and her final fight against the powerloader.
Those other ones are good, but not really worthy sequels in my opinion. They lack the uniqueness of the first two.
I'd say:
Alien 10/10
Aliens 10/10
Alien 3 7/10
Alien: Resurrection 8/10
Alien is my favorite movie of the franchise. What really pulls me into the films is the atmosphere, the designs, the sounds, the music, and the creature itself. Alien is the only movie in the franchise that actually makes me fear a lone xenomorph.
10/10
Aliens is the runner up for me. I feel the film had stronger characters and is more fun to watch because it is more action oriented. The only problem I have with Aliens is what I consider the "dumbing down" of the xenomorph. The xenomorphs are still scary and pose a great threat, but they don't match the original design of the creature. However, I don't feel it is a flaw with the films itself, so I don't tend to mark it down for that.
10/10
Alien 3 is a film I have grown to love over the years. I feel it's a big step-down after the first two films, but I also feel the Assembly Cut has made it more worthwhile. This is just a case of bad studio interference and lack of funding. While I feel Alien 3 isn't a necessary addition to the franchise, I feel it works well as the wrap-up to an overall great trilogy.
7/10
Alien Resurrection is a love it/hate it film for me. I like many things about the film, but I also dislike almost the same amount of things. I feel Alien Resurrection is a very unnecessary addition to an otherwise well wrapped up franchise.
5/10
I like both Alien and Aliens equally but Aliens is really iconic and I like Ripley's character growth and the marines' wild personalities, so that gives it the edge for me.
Quote from: Watchful Guardian on Feb 01, 2015, 12:35:25 PM
Alien is my favorite movie of the franchise. What really pulls me into the films is the atmosphere, the designs, the sounds, the music, and the creature itself. Alien is the only movie in the franchise that actually makes me fear a lone xenomorph.
10/10
Aliens is the runner up for me. I feel the film had stronger characters and is more fun to watch because it is more action oriented. The only problem I have with Aliens is what I consider the "dumbing down" of the xenomorph. The xenomorphs are still scary and pose a great threat, but they don't match the original design of the creature. However, I don't feel it is a flaw with the films itself, so I do not mark it down for that.
10/10
Alien 3 is a film I have grown to love over the years. I feel it's a big step-down after the first two films, but I also feel the Assembly Cut has made it more worthwhile. This is just a case of bad studio interference and lack of funding. While I feel Alien 3 isn't a necessary addtion to the franchise, I feel it works well as the wrap-up to an overall great trilogy.
7/10
Alien Resurrection is a love it/hate it film for me. I like many things about the film, but I also dislike almost the same amount of things. I feel Alien Resurrection is a very unnecessary addition to an other-wise wrapped up franchise.
5/10
I like the way you think, sir
Quote from: Watchful Guardian on Feb 01, 2015, 12:35:25 PM
Alien is my favorite movie of the franchise. What really pulls me into the films is the atmosphere, the designs, the sounds, the music, and the creature itself. Alien is the only movie in the franchise that actually makes me fear a lone xenomorph.
10/10
Aliens is the runner up for me. I feel the film had stronger characters and is more fun to watch because it is more action oriented. The only problem I have with Aliens is what I consider the "dumbing down" of the xenomorph. The xenomorphs are still scary and pose a great threat, but they don't match the original design of the creature. However, I don't feel it is a flaw with the films itself, so I do not mark it down for that.
10/10
Alien 3 is a film I have grown to love over the years. I feel it's a big step-down after the first two films, but I also feel the Assembly Cut has made it more worthwhile. This is just a case of bad studio interference and lack of funding. While I feel Alien 3 isn't a necessary addtion to the franchise, I feel it works well as the wrap-up to an overall great trilogy.
7/10
Alien Resurrection is a love it/hate it film for me. I like many things about the film, but I also dislike almost the same amount of things. I feel Alien Resurrection is a very unnecessary addition to an other-wise wrapped up franchise.
5/10
I agree with you, save for your thoughts on A3. It didn't need to be made.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 02, 2015, 04:51:14 PM
Quote from: Watchful Guardian on Feb 01, 2015, 12:35:25 PM
Alien is my favorite movie of the franchise. What really pulls me into the films is the atmosphere, the designs, the sounds, the music, and the creature itself. Alien is the only movie in the franchise that actually makes me fear a lone xenomorph.
10/10
Aliens is the runner up for me. I feel the film had stronger characters and is more fun to watch because it is more action oriented. The only problem I have with Aliens is what I consider the "dumbing down" of the xenomorph. The xenomorphs are still scary and pose a great threat, but they don't match the original design of the creature. However, I don't feel it is a flaw with the films itself, so I do not mark it down for that.
10/10
Alien 3 is a film I have grown to love over the years. I feel it's a big step-down after the first two films, but I also feel the Assembly Cut has made it more worthwhile. This is just a case of bad studio interference and lack of funding. While I feel Alien 3 isn't a necessary addition to the franchise, I feel it works well as the wrap-up to an overall great trilogy.
7/10
Alien Resurrection is a love it/hate it film for me. I like many things about the film, but I also dislike almost the same amount of things. I feel Alien Resurrection is a very unnecessary addition to an other-wise wrapped up franchise.
5/10
I agree with you, save for your thoughts on A3. It didn't need to be made.
Oh, I agree. That's what I meant when I said
Alien 3 wasn't necessary. What I meant was that the film wraps up Ripley's story as a trilogy, even if it isn't nearly as good as the first two.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Feb 01, 2015, 07:22:32 PM
I like the way you think, sir
Why thank you, kind sir.
I'm probably going to be the black sheep in the Alien community for saying this, but here goes.
After watching Alien and Aliens back-to-back last night (on the big screen!), I can say that Alien is, by far, a superior film to Aliens. It has better acting (which isn't saying much given that both films are very well acted, but Alien feels more real), a more creative set design (the derelict), the Alien actually felt, y'know, *alien* (as opposed to the generic space bug of Cameron's film), a much more unsettling and scarier feel to the whole package (rather than the run n' gun of Aliens), and the characters didn't irritate me like some did in Aliens.
Sorry folks but Hudson really started to irritate the f**k out of me by the time the APC was trashed and f**k NEWT. Holy shit. I wanted that Warrior that corners her in the water to kill her, if it meant not having to endure her ear-piercing screeching anymore.
I have to go with Aliens I like that one.
Alien, Alien 3, Aliens, Alien Resurrection
Alien, Aliens, Alien3 is one big movie for me
No particular order for the first 3.
A:R is a laugh from time to time.
1 - ALIEN 10/10
2 - A3 9/10
3 - A:R 6/10
4 - ALIENS 6/10
5 - PROM 5/10
1. Alien 10/10
2. Alien³ 8/10
3. Aliens 10/10
4. Prometheus 7/10
5. Alien: Resurrection 4/10
The numbers 1,2,3,4,5 are the order in which my opinions on their quality is respresented.
Whilst the ratings -are the order in which I know where the best quality stands, despite my personal preferences.
(For example, Alien³ being a personal preference but the knowledge that in objective terms "Aliens" is better.)
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 10:53:19 PM
The numbers 1,2,3,4,5 are the order in which my opinions on their quality is respresented.
Whilst the ratings -are the order in which I know where the best quality stands, despite my personal preferences.
(For example, Alien³ being a personal preference but the knowledge that in objective terms "Aliens" is better.)
I agree with this, people should separate their subjective opinion of their objective opinion.
Quote from: Crazy Shrimp on Feb 27, 2015, 11:00:48 PM
Quote from: Son Of Kane on Feb 27, 2015, 10:53:19 PM
The numbers 1,2,3,4,5 are the order in which my opinions on their quality is respresented.
Whilst the ratings -are the order in which I know where the best quality stands, despite my personal preferences.
(For example, Alien³ being a personal preference but the knowledge that in objective terms "Aliens" is better.)
I agree with this, people should separate their subjective opinion of their objective opinion.
Oh I love this...
"Objectively" only ALIEN deserves its acclaim.
ALIENS is a simple Hollywood sci-fi action movie. A3 suffers from continuity problems and a flawed production. A:R is too cartoonish.
ALIEN is a simple Hollywood sci-fi monster on a spaceship movie if ALIENS is a simple Hollywood sci-fi action movie.
Aliens is alot more than just a simple action movie and deserves all the accolades it gets. That being said, it does not come close to the brilliance of Alien.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2015, 12:56:35 AM
ALIEN is a simple Hollywood sci-fi monster on a spaceship movie if ALIENS is a simple Hollywood sci-fi action movie.
ALIEN has excellent acting/dialogue/actors and the tone and pace of "high-brow" films. It's masterful beyond the amazing sci-fi designs and effects, and the simple haunted house monster movie formula is way more versatile and subconsciously tantalizing than anything an action hero movie can muster. The action and heroism in action movies pretty much always distract from the message, commentary or interpretations of the narrative. Even zombie movies is a better format to work with if you want to truly immerse, not that I ever want the Alien franchise to go that route. Cameron should've gone all in and tried to make ALIENS more of a war movie than an action movie, because that would've given it more substance (I know he went that direction a little bit as he borrowed from Viet Nam movies). No Powerloader vs Queen, Ripley blatantly ignoring the laws of physics, Hudson shouting oneliners while going down etc. Everyone would've felt expendable, including Newt and Ripley.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Mar 01, 2015, 02:56:46 AM
Aliens is alot more than just a simple action movie and deserves all the accolades it gets. That being said, it does not come close to the brilliance of Alien.
Yeah, it got its moments and is incredibly well made, but it is still just a simple action movie.
I wouldn't call ALIENS an action movie, I'd call it a horror movie with action. As where ALIEN was a horror/thriller/suspense.
Also, Hudson's "one liners" were battle cries based on adrenaline which were quite in line with his character.
1-Alien 10/10 Masterpiece in every single aspect.
2-Aliens 9,999/10 Another Masterpiece, but I like the tone of the first one better, even tho I think changing the tone was a great idea. If that makes any sense.
3-Alien3 8/10 (but I think It could have been a 10)
4-A:R 5/10 As a standalone fill could be a 7/10 but when related to Alien, its just wrong.
5-Prometheus 3/10 Save the filmography, some sets and Fassbender acting, the rest of the movie is utterly crap.
6-AVP- 0/0
7-AVPR- -10/10
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Mar 03, 2015, 06:19:38 PM
1-Alien 10/10 Masterpiece in every single aspect.
2-Aliens 9,999/10 Another Masterpiece, but I like the tone of the first one better, even tho I think changing the tone was a great idea. If that makes any sense.
3-Alien3 8/10 (but I think It could have been a 10)
4-A:R 5/10 As a standalone fill could be a 7/10 but when related to Alien, its just wrong.
5-Prometheus 3/10 Save the filmography, some sets and Fassbender acting, the rest of the movie is utterly crap.
6-AVP- 0/0
7-AVPR- -10/10
For a second I thought you gave AvPR a 10/10... :laugh:
Quote from: marrerom on Mar 03, 2015, 06:31:39 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Mar 03, 2015, 06:19:38 PM
1-Alien 10/10 Masterpiece in every single aspect.
2-Aliens 9,999/10 Another Masterpiece, but I like the tone of the first one better, even tho I think changing the tone was a great idea. If that makes any sense.
3-Alien3 8/10 (but I think It could have been a 10)
4-A:R 5/10 As a standalone fill could be a 7/10 but when related to Alien, its just wrong.
5-Prometheus 3/10 Save the filmography, some sets and Fassbender acting, the rest of the movie is utterly crap.
6-AVP- 0/0
7-AVPR- -10/10
For a second I thought you gave AvPR a 10/10... :laugh:
NEVER!
I should confess I love AvPR compared to AvP, AvP1 was formulaic as f**k, terrible actiong sequences and the main character was a complete piece of boring shit.
At least AvPR tried to change a little the settings, and the action was better. It's still terrible, though.
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 04, 2015, 11:09:40 PM
I should confess I love AvPR compared to AvP, AvP1 was formulaic as f**k, terrible actiong sequences and the main character was a complete piece of boring shit.
At least AvPR tried to change a little the settings, and the action was better. It's still terrible, though.
Set it in the mid west with college kids, one of whom is a bullied dork. That's about as formulaic as it gets. It's the cheapo horror stock plot, similar to Return of the Living Dead 2, and other straight-to-video stuff of that ilk.
Quote from: Gash on Mar 04, 2015, 11:23:13 PMSet it in the mid west with college kids, one of whom is a bullied dork. That's about as formulaic as it gets. It's the cheapo horror stock plot, similar to Return of the Living Dead 2, and other straight-to-video stuff of that ilk.
At least it was not a vastly inferior repetition of the Alien original film, like AvP1 was
I've only seen AvP once, a long while ago. But I cant remember thinking that it was a retread of A L I E N in any respect. It was Anderson basically doing his Resident Evil routine with different toys.
Quote from: Gash on Mar 04, 2015, 11:33:56 PMBut I cant remember thinking that it was a retread of A L I E N in any respect.
It was people entering a weird ancient structure again, isolated from the world again, we saw the xenomorph cycle yet again, and we finished with a little of the Predator "prize-giving" ceremony again in the end. It was just a bad rehash of Alien with a dash of Predator and terrible action, and the blandest characters I can think of. Completely forgettable.
At least AVPR had a badass Predator, unlike the ones from AVP that were terribly raped.
AvP:R perhaps is a closer fit to the Predator franchise, being set on contemporary Earth. Maybe it passes muster in that regard. I just remember it had terrible teenagers in it that I really couldn't have cared less about, it appeared to be made by a couple of giggling juveniles, and the whole thing was so dark it was a pain to view, on top of which the aliens, when you could see them, looked terrible and made the sound of trumpeting elephants. I'm not surprised most people would rather expunge it from all memory.
Both films were daft ideas, AvP had an element of competence about it, but that's about the best that can be said. Event Horizon remains Anderson's high point, rushed though the edit though that was. The Brothers Strause, I literally had no idea what else they've done till googling them - and not much is the answer.
Quote from: Gash on Mar 04, 2015, 11:33:56 PM
I've only seen AvP once, a long while ago. But I cant remember thinking that it was a retread of A L I E N in any respect. It was Anderson basically doing his Resident Evil routine with different toys.
Tru dat. There's so many similarities that Paul basically plagiarized his own work.
Me, I'd put Aliens first not just because I prefer action to pure horror, but because I like the family motif that Cameron used with Ripley, Newt and Hicks. I thought that it was a very interesting theme to put in a sci-fi/horror jaunt and it worked very well. I'm a sucker for that kind of stuff. 10/10
Putting Alien second is a tough decision for me because frankly, without Alien, Aliens would be pretty worthless. Part of the reason the second film is so good at showing Ripley purge herself of the terrors she's experienced is that the first film was damn near perfect at showing that terror. Alien was also the first R-rated film I was allowed to see, so it holds a special place in my nightmares as a kid. In a good way. 10/10
After that comes Alien: Resurrection. The moment I simply decided not to even entertain it as the full-on sequel and just enjoy it as movie on its own, I ended up really liking it. With the exception of Winona Ryder, the acting is pretty good, the visuals are nice as well, action scenes, especially the underwater scene, are well-executed. Overall I enjoy it for what it is, and I'm glad that the franchise isn't continuing Ripley 8's story. 7/10
After that I'd put the first AVP film, mostly because I'm enough of a Predator fan that that film is enjoyable to me. And in the 1-on-1 face-off between the Xeno and the Predator, the Xeno wins. I love that. The worst part about that film was the human characters though. You could have taken them out, made a 30-minute film of 3 Predators going into the temple and fighting the xenos and it would have come out better. 6.5/10
Prometheus comes next, and I probably need to watch it one more time before I make up my mind about it. I've said that the past 7-8 times I've seen it. It's such a confusing film at times that I'm never really sure it like it or not. Which for all I know was Ridley Scott's intent. Prometheus is the alien-related film that makes me laugh the most though, I'll say that. If only because of the Honest Trailer on youtube. Funny as hell. ?/10
Then comes Alien 3. And I'll be up-front about my hate for this film. I honestly don't like anything about it. First, I dislike the tone of the film with the depressing and nihilistic feel. The original Alien had nothing like that, only pure terror. That's what I liked about that. Alien 3 tried to add a feeling of hopelessness and despair that ended up draining me of any reason to care for the litany of generic bald prisoners that the dog-xeno kills throughout the film. After a while, I realized that the only thing to cheer for was the alien. I didn't even care about Ripley, and when she died it seemed like putting down a dying dog rather than the heroic sacrifice it was meant to be. I love David Fincher as a director, and I don't blame the film's faults on him. But honestly don't hold a single thing about this film in high regard. Killing off Hicks and Newt was a very tough sell for me considering what I loved about Aliens, and the film only got worse after the opening credits. I've seen the film only twice, once for the theatrical release and I saw the Revised cut about year ago. Each time it's left me only furious at the direction Fox decided to go with the franchise that has two of my very favorite movies. 3(ha)/10
But I will say this about Alien 3: it least it was watchable. A competently-made movie whose tone, storyline and characters I had no love for, but I could finish the film before I decided to hate it. I honestly wasn't able to do that with AVP:Requiem. As soon as I realized that they'd gone with the generic bullied kid pinning after the popular girl with the jock boyfriend, I could see where the film was going. After a short while, I just stopped watching. It was just so far removed from what made both Alien and Predator great that I could no longer bring myself to finish the film. To this day I still haven't seen the whole thing, and I doubt I ever will. It's just so BAD. 0/10
Quote from: Close Encounters on Mar 05, 2015, 02:38:42 PM
Me, I'd put Aliens first not just because I prefer action to pure horror, but because I like the family motif that Cameron used with Ripley, Newt and Hicks. I thought that it was a very interesting theme to put in a sci-fi/horror jaunt and it worked very well. I'm a sucker for that kind of stuff. 10/10
Putting Alien second is a tough decision for me because frankly, without Alien, Aliens would be pretty worthless. Part of the reason the second film is so good at showing Ripley purge herself of the terrors she's experienced is that the first film was damn near perfect at showing that terror. Alien was also the first R-rated film I was allowed to see, so it holds a special place in my nightmares as a kid. In a good way. 10/10
After AVP comes Alien: Ressurection. The moment I simply decided not to even entertain it as the full-on sequel and just enjoy it as movie on its own, I ended up really liking it. With the exception of Winona Ryder, the acting is pretty good, the visuals are nice as well, action scenes, especially the underwater scene, are well-executed. Overall I enjoy it for what it is, and I'm glad that the franchise isn't continuing Ripley 8's story. 7/10
That's my boy! :D
Quote from: Close Encounters on Mar 05, 2015, 02:38:42 PM
Me, I'd put Aliens first not just because I prefer action to pure horror, but because I like the family motif that Cameron used with Ripley, Newt and Hicks. I thought that it was a very interesting theme to put in a sci-fi/horror jaunt and it worked very well. I'm a sucker for that kind of stuff. 10/10
Putting Alien second is a tough decision for me because frankly, without Alien, Aliens would be pretty worthless. Part of the reason the second film is so good at showing Ripley purge herself of the terrors she's experienced is that the first film was damn near perfect at showing that terror. Alien was also the first R-rated film I was allowed to see, so it holds a special place in my nightmares as a kid. In a good way. 10/10
After that comes Alien: Resurrection. The moment I simply decided not to even entertain it as the full-on sequel and just enjoy it as movie on its own, I ended up really liking it. With the exception of Winona Ryder, the acting is pretty good, the visuals are nice as well, action scenes, especially the underwater scene, are well-executed. Overall I enjoy it for what it is, and I'm glad that the franchise isn't continuing Ripley 8's story. 7/10
After that I'd put the first AVP film, mostly because I'm enough of a Predator fan that that film is enjoyable to me. And in the 1-on-1 face-off between the Xeno and the Predator, the Xeno wins. I love that. The worst part about that film was the human characters though. You could have taken them out, made a 30-minute film of 3 Predators going into the temple and fighting the xenos and it would have come out better. 6.5/10
Prometheus comes next, and I probably need to watch it one more time before I make up my mind about it. I've said that the past 7-8 times I've seen it. It's such a confusing film at times that I'm never really sure it like it or not. Which for all I know was Ridley Scott's intent. Prometheus is the alien-related film that makes me laugh the most though, I'll say that. If only because of the Honest Trailer on youtube. Funny as hell. ?/10
Then comes Alien 3. And I'll be up-front about my hate for this film. I honestly don't like anything about it. First, I dislike the tone of the film with the depressing and nihilistic feel. The original Alien had nothing like that, only pure terror. That's what I liked about that. Alien 3 tried to add a feeling of hopelessness and despair that ended up draining me of any reason to care for the litany of generic bald prisoners that the dog-xeno kills throughout the film. After a while, I realized that the only thing to cheer for was the alien. I didn't even care about Ripley, and when she died it seemed like putting down a dying dog rather than the heroic sacrifice it was meant to be. I love David Fincher as a director, and I don't blame the film's faults on him. But honestly don't hold a single thing about this film in high regard. Killing off Hicks and Newt was a very tough sell for me considering what I loved about Aliens, and the film only got worse after the opening credits. I've seen the film only twice, once for the theatrical release and I saw the Revised cut about year ago. Each time it's left me only furious at the direction Fox decided to go with the franchise that has two of my very favorite movies. 3(ha)/10
But I will say this about Alien 3: it least it was watchable. A competently-made movie whose tone, storyline and characters I had no love for, but I could finish the film before I decided to hate it. I honestly wasn't able to do that with AVP:Requiem. As soon as I realized that they'd gone with the generic bullied kid pinning after the popular girl with the jock boyfriend, I could see where the film was going. After a short while, I just stopped watching. It was just so far removed from what made both Alien and Predator great that I could no longer bring myself to finish the film. To this day I still haven't seen the whole thing, and I doubt I ever will. It's just so BAD. 0/10
People can dislike or hate A3 for many reasons, but its totally unquestionable that is ten million times a better movie than AVP or AVPR in every single aspect of it, but it's entertaining values, that are more personal to every one.
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Mar 05, 2015, 05:44:49 PM
People can dislike or hate A3 for many reasons, but its totally unquestionable that is ten million times a better movie than AVP or AVPR in every single aspect of it, but it's entertaining values, that are more personal to every one.
You and I use totally different methods to measure the value of a film. What makes a 'better movie' to me is how much I
A. Enjoy watching it
B. Want to watch it again.
C. Appreciate the value of its theme or message
and D. How much smarter I feel having watched it.
So for me, separating entertainment value from cinematic value is just plain impossible. It's half of how I measure them. If it's not entertaining, the message or theme better be good, and I better feel like my IQ is higher than 84 after watching it.
A3 fails on all four aspects of how I value a film, and AVP-R fails even harder. AVP at least partially succeeds at the first two. Fails utterly at the last two, I'll say that.
So by my standards, A3 being better than AVP is totally questionable. Can't stand any aspect of one, can at least appreciate some aspects of the other. Pretty simple decision for me.
Quote from: Close Encounters on Mar 05, 2015, 06:35:57 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Mar 05, 2015, 05:44:49 PM
People can dislike or hate A3 for many reasons, but its totally unquestionable that is ten million times a better movie than AVP or AVPR in every single aspect of it, but it's entertaining values, that are more personal to every one.
You and I use totally different methods to measure the value of a film. What makes a 'better movie' to me is how much I
A. Enjoy watching it
B. Want to watch it again.
C. Appreciate the value of its theme or message
and D. How much smarter I feel having watched it.
So for me, separating entertainment value from cinematic value is just plain impossible. It's half of how I measure them. If it's not entertaining, the message or theme better be good, and I better feel like my IQ is higher than 84 after watching it.
A3 fails on all four aspects of how I value a film, and AVP-R fails even harder. AVP at least partially succeeds at the first two. Fails utterly at the last two, I'll say that.
So by my standards, A3 being better than AVP is totally questionable. Can't stand any aspect of one, can at least appreciate some aspects of the other. Pretty simple decision for me.
Ok, lets say that whatever enjoyment you take from the movies , ARTISTICALLY, A3 is ten million times better than AVP in every single aspect.
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Mar 05, 2015, 07:00:28 PM
Ok, lets say that whatever enjoyment you take from the movies , ARTISTICALLY, A3 is ten million times better than AVP in every single aspect.
I'll agree on the general principle here, yes. But I'm afraid I must haggle over the 'ten the million times part'. I'll settle for over 9000. Not one time more.
Quote from: Close Encounters on Mar 05, 2015, 07:05:29 PM
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Mar 05, 2015, 07:00:28 PM
Ok, lets say that whatever enjoyment you take from the movies , ARTISTICALLY, A3 is ten million times better than AVP in every single aspect.
I'll agree on the general principle here, yes. But I'm afraid I must haggle over the 'ten the million times part'. I'll settle for over 9000. Not one time more.
Deal ;)
Meh, the thread title says "favorite Alien movie" not "best Alien movie", so using a personal rating based on how much you like the movie is the right thing to do.
One can like a considered "bad" movie better than one considered a "good" movie simply because the latter might be not one's "cup of tea", and no one should force anyone into placing a movie he doesn't like better on a higher place on their Favorite movies top.
Quote from: Magegg on Mar 05, 2015, 07:33:50 PM
Meh, the thread title says "favorite Alien movie" not "best Alien movie", so using a personal rating based on how much you like the movie is the right thing to do.
One can like a considered "bad" movie better than one considered a "good" movie simply because the latter might be not one's "cup of tea", and no one should force anyone into placing a movie he doesn't like better on a higher place on their Favorite movies top.
did I do that?
Quote from: SpreadEagleBeagle on Mar 05, 2015, 08:41:58 PMSo by those standards I should coincider AVP as a better movie than ALIENS?
No one says better or worse, only saying you like it more, or less.
I would actually prefer re watching
There's something about Mary than
Interstellar :P
Removed my vote from Aliens and cast it to Alien today. I guess I am more for visuals and suspense today than for actions .
Neill Blomkamp, hear my voice! :-)
My vote goes to Alien 3.
Why?
-Most badass xenomorph in the franchise. My favourite design as well.
-Gore.
-Love the whole prison planet idea and the religious theme.
-Best performance by Sigourney Weaver.
-Interesting characters like Clemens, Golic and Dillon.
-Has the darkest feel out of all the movies.
-Beautiful score and visuals.
-Perfect ending to the trilogy.
IMO.
This picture sums up the personalities of each film perfectly.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc00.deviantart.net%2Ffs70%2Ff%2F2013%2F153%2F9%2Fb%2Fripley_attitude__by_inkjava-d67mczf.png&hash=dbee9a8c350a8094282f6a8fcf4a56e89779f7e3)
Aliens is definitely my favorite one.
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 24, 2015, 02:36:45 PM
This picture sums up the personalities of each film perfectly.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc00.deviantart.net%2Ffs70%2Ff%2F2013%2F153%2F9%2Fb%2Fripley_attitude__by_inkjava-d67mczf.png&hash=dbee9a8c350a8094282f6a8fcf4a56e89779f7e3)
The last drawing kind of highlights why Resurrection sucked so badly in comparison to the others. Ripley became a totally different character and wasn't the badass I remember from the previous films.
She is a different character. That's entirely the point. And whilst I dislike the tone of the film - especially that line, Joss, never write Alien again - the Ripley 8 character had some huge potential. I'm re-reading the AR novelization for the first time in a while and I'm really enjoying the inner-confusion and conflict.
I might re-watch the film eventually but I'll ask fluxcap to join me. I'm not sure I'll make it through on my own.
I'm doing a marathon in a few weeks when I go away. :)
Haven't heard that name for a while. Where'd he go to?
He's still very much alive and well but he's super busy with his job. It's why he had to step down as a mod and why his activity level plummeted.
Quote from: Alien³ on Mar 24, 2015, 02:36:45 PM
This picture sums up the personalities of each film perfectly.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc00.deviantart.net%2Ffs70%2Ff%2F2013%2F153%2F9%2Fb%2Fripley_attitude__by_inkjava-d67mczf.png&hash=dbee9a8c350a8094282f6a8fcf4a56e89779f7e3)
Hehe, that's really lovely. ;D
:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHbBvuo4Yak#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHbBvuo4Yak#ws)
maybe im more like a sentimental person
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 16, 2015, 04:57:52 PM
He's still very much alive and well but he's super busy with his job. It's why he had to step down as a mod and why his activity level plummeted.
Glad to hear. Tell him I said hi! :)
Quote from: maledoro on Dec 13, 2006, 12:31:40 PM
I liked the dark, eerie beauty of the movie. The bleak hopelessness that underlies the notion that nothing is certain and that one shouldn't expect a "Hollywood ending".
Aliens has been called a "roller coaster ride of a movie". In a way, the third movie was as well, but instead of rising into the air, the "ride" takes you underground, where one can almost see the "dark Satanic Mills" that Blake had written about.
Sure, one sees what one searches for, but there was a greater opportunity in Alien³ for one to find all kinds of metaphor, as it didn't rely on convention as Aliens had. There were all kinds of symbolism to be found in Alien³, especially Gnostic and alchemical. If there is any religious symbolism to be found, it's not the kind taught in Sunday School in little black books and pastel-colored paperbacks. It is more likely to be found in the writings of Böhme and the paintings of Bosch.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/maledoro/Elves/wink.gif
Glad someone likes alien 3 as well it was under rated like predator 2
Resurrection. We learn in this movie quite a bit about the Alien. Not just a killing machine. Also learn that there are similarities between our species. Kind of really fills in when Prometheus came out. I think based off Prometheus that we were grown from the same goo that the alien species came from.
I'm seeing alien at a local theater tonight at midnight! So excited. Never saw it on the big screen before.
Quote from: Morgoth on Jun 20, 2015, 01:58:42 AM
I'm seeing alien at a local theater tonight at midnight! So excited. Never saw it on the big screen before.
Nice! For me, the perfect way to view Alien would be on the big screen...and in 3D. Man, I would love to see the trilogy in 3D
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 21, 2015, 03:50:04 AM
Quote from: Morgoth on Jun 20, 2015, 01:58:42 AM
I'm seeing alien at a local theater tonight at midnight! So excited. Never saw it on the big screen before.
Nice! For me, the perfect way to view Alien would be on the big screen...and in 3D. Man, I would love to see the trilogy in 3D
They did do a really good job with Titantic...
Alien 3
i think the franchise is pretty solid, Alien and Aliens are 2 masterpieces but Alien 3 has a special place in my heart, i love the atmosphere of the movie, the prisoners who found like a salvation in an ipotetic god, it gives me like a medieval feeling, they are killers/rapers who are looking for redemption and it likes the armageddon has arrived with the "dragon" ;)
I loooved the original concept of the Wood-Planet too bad they never made it, but the post apocaliptic look of the planet is breathe taking.
I love the end of Ripley and i'm sorry to say it but i loved the beginning with the death of Hicks and Newt, its an Alien movie, not a Jurassic Park movie for families.
And the Soundtrack is a masterpiece.
Of course i love the whole franchise :D
even Resurrection is a cute movie, not a masterpiece and the Newborn scares me lol sorry to say but Resurrection gives me the vibe of a classic Hollywood movie even if Jean Pierre said in the interviews he didint want to do an Hollywood movie, but its good to see and the new Ripley is so badass! ;)
I can respect that!
Recently I have been reinterested in the Wooden Planet idea. Some of the concepts are just so intriguing. I love the visuals of gigantic church ceilings and acres of wheat fields (set on fire in a vain attempt to kill the Alien). Having the Alien die in the glass factory where they make the church's stain glassed windows is also a clever idea, obviously repurposed into the molten lead sequence in the final movie.
I never liked Ward's vision. It was just so un-Alien. It seemed like a really unique sci-fi film but just an awful Alien concept. They did a comic out of his script IIRC but I never did read it. I'll try and find it.
http://vincentwardfilms.com/concepts/alien-3/graphic-novel-in-8-parts/part-1/
Here it is.
Omg a comic?
I would lobe to read it!
It's in the link I posted. It's a web comic.
Alien 3 has been and always will be my favourite of the four as its the first one I watched, so that's why it grabs me more. I love all four, but 3 tops it every time
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Jul 12, 2015, 02:45:14 PM
Alien 3 has been and always will be my favourite of the four as its the first one I watched, so that's why it grabs me more. I love all four, but 3 tops it every time
Agree with you man.For me aliens reminded me of starship troopers even though it was tense it was to actiony (good movie though)Alien was good as well but they had weapons to deal with it AR was shit but alien 3 for me was more tense they had no weapons even morse said "you want to stab this thing"(but in AVP the main character was stabbing all the aliens with a spear like she was doing a ballet?)
I don't even have to read the thread.
Alien: Loved it, classic, eh I like Aliens better.
Aliens: Loved it, classic, eh I like Alien better.
Alien 3: Used to hate it, like it now. Underappreciated.
Alien Resurrection: lol garbage, movie sucks, don't even include this.
Avp/avp:r: These don't count because (insert reason here)
There, did I just sum up the entire thread?
Don't be a dick. What was the point in posting that.
So I do not have to read 1761 posts!
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jul 14, 2015, 11:45:48 PM
Don't be a dick. What was the point in posting that.
I'm not wrong :P
No one asked you to "sum up the thread" in a smartass manner that generalizes and stereotypes members here. Hell, if you even bothered to look at the last couple of posts, you'd read 1 person talking about Resurrection as their favorite and 3 talking about Alien 3 as their favorite. Consecutive contributions to the thread topic, too.
Not to mention the fact that arguably, your post is wrong because this isn't a "rank all the Alien movies" thread or "rate every single movie that has an Alien in it" thread. Look at the title, it's for users for post their favorite Alien movie and why. You want to post a proper summary of the thread? Copy and paste this.
Alien: Loved it more than the others because of this reason!
Aliens: Loved it more than the others because of that reason!
Alien 3: Loved it more than the others because of this reason!
Alien Resurrection: Loved it more than the others because of that reason!
Thank you very much MrSpaceJockey. Very nicely put.
Aliens.
Period.
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jul 15, 2015, 06:23:51 AM
No one asked you to "sum up the thread" in a smartass manner that generalizes and stereotypes members here. Hell, if you even bothered to look at the last couple of posts, you'd read 1 person talking about Resurrection as their favorite and 3 talking about Alien 3 as their favorite. Consecutive contributions to the thread topic, too.
Not to mention the fact that arguably, your post is wrong because this isn't a "rank all the Alien movies" thread or "rate every single movie that has an Alien in it" thread. Look at the title, it's for users for post their favorite Alien movie and why. You want to post a proper summary of the thread? Copy and paste this.
Alien: Loved it more than the others because of this reason!
Aliens: Loved it more than the others because of that reason!
Alien 3: Loved it more than the others because of this reason!
Alien Resurrection: Loved it more than the others because of that reason!
I've also seen people getting attacked for their opinions, especially when it comes to A:R.
Calling it now, A:R will get the same love Alien 3 does now in 10 years.
Quote from: elemental-of-all on Jul 15, 2015, 03:00:50 PM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jul 15, 2015, 06:23:51 AM
No one asked you to "sum up the thread" in a smartass manner that generalizes and stereotypes members here. Hell, if you even bothered to look at the last couple of posts, you'd read 1 person talking about Resurrection as their favorite and 3 talking about Alien 3 as their favorite. Consecutive contributions to the thread topic, too.
Not to mention the fact that arguably, your post is wrong because this isn't a "rank all the Alien movies" thread or "rate every single movie that has an Alien in it" thread. Look at the title, it's for users for post their favorite Alien movie and why. You want to post a proper summary of the thread? Copy and paste this.
Alien: Loved it more than the others because of this reason!
Aliens: Loved it more than the others because of that reason!
Alien 3: Loved it more than the others because of this reason!
Alien Resurrection: Loved it more than the others because of that reason!
I've also seen people getting attacked for their opinions, especially when it comes to A:R.
Calling it now, A:R will get the same love Alien 3 does now in 10 years.
Not from me.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Jul 15, 2015, 10:35:26 PM
Quote from: elemental-of-all on Jul 15, 2015, 03:00:50 PM
Quote from: MrSpaceJockey on Jul 15, 2015, 06:23:51 AM
No one asked you to "sum up the thread" in a smartass manner that generalizes and stereotypes members here. Hell, if you even bothered to look at the last couple of posts, you'd read 1 person talking about Resurrection as their favorite and 3 talking about Alien 3 as their favorite. Consecutive contributions to the thread topic, too.
Not to mention the fact that arguably, your post is wrong because this isn't a "rank all the Alien movies" thread or "rate every single movie that has an Alien in it" thread. Look at the title, it's for users for post their favorite Alien movie and why. You want to post a proper summary of the thread? Copy and paste this.
Alien: Loved it more than the others because of this reason!
Aliens: Loved it more than the others because of that reason!
Alien 3: Loved it more than the others because of this reason!
Alien Resurrection: Loved it more than the others because of that reason!
I've also seen people getting attacked for their opinions, especially when it comes to A:R.
Calling it now, A:R will get the same love Alien 3 does now in 10 years.
Not from me.
Thats good on you, i did not mention any names.
Anyways, back on topic. I like them all.
In order, Aliens, Alien, Alien 3, Alien Resurrection
(Bet this looks familiar) :P
EDIT*
Realized you were talking about loving Alien:R in a decade, not attacking people for liking A:R lol
Does Super Metroid count? XD
Alien
My favorite will always be the original alien. The production design, acting, story,and atmosphere are top notch and make my favorite movie the perfect movie. My second favorite would have to be resurrection because it is so unique compared to the other 3. It has its own unique tone and the story I always found engaging. Also the crew of the Betty can be seen as an early version of the crew for firefly.
Then the alien 3 Assembly cut and aliens are tied for 3rd.
Quote from: Morgoth on Nov 19, 2015, 10:34:59 PM
My favorite will always be the original alien. The production design, acting, story,and atmosphere are top notch and make my favorite movie the perfect movie. My second favorite would have to be resurrection because it is so unique compared to the other 3. It has its own unique tone and the story I always found engaging. Also the crew of the Betty can be seen as an early version of the crew for firefly.
Then the alien 3 Assembly cut and aliens are tied for 3rd.
holy shit that is rare....can you elaborate more on how Alien:R beats ALIENS in your perception
...and Alien 3 (AC) for that matter.
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Dec 17, 2015, 02:43:31 AM
...and Alien 3 (AC) for that matter.
Is that the one where it comes out of an ox instead of a dog? I don't like how they cut out the chestburster scene at the end, to me that was one of my favorite scenes in film history.
Aye, it is the AC. Personally, I prefer the non-burster end. For me, the Cat scan on Ripley was horrifying and knowing you are completely f^ed is enough. Sometimes less is more.
Visually, I love the TE cut. Character-wise the AC is superior - makes it more of a sacrifice for Ripley.
Aliens is my favourite Alien film and is also my all time favourite film
I can still remember other films from the 70s simply awfull compared to alien!!
Alien
Alien 3
Aliens
Alien Resurrection
ALIEN
Aliens
Alien3
Prometheus
Resurrection
Alien is just my fav but aliens is real close.
Aliens
Quote from: Mrcreosote on Jan 29, 2016, 11:28:16 PM
I can still remember other films from the 70s simply awfull compared to alien!!
Even Star Wars?
Alien! I loved the suspense and horror in it, plus there being just one Xeno.
I love Aliens also, another film I adore. I specifically love the Queen Alien sequences, perhaps the scariest scenes in the franchise for me!
I love Alien 3 as well, I loved that once again it was a single alien, plus the prison planet.
I am watching Alien Resurrection for the first time tomorrow (checked out the Blue Ray from the library), so I'll be sure to share my feelings on that!
Current ranking:
Alien
Aliens
Alien 3
Get ready, Alien Res is... different.
I'm not sure if I can do a proper vote on this question haha I can rank them for sure but even that one is a little tough. Alien & Aliens are pretty much tied for me, Alien being #1 for the horror/suspense it caused me on first viewing & Aliens for the action. Alien 3 I liked a lot as well even more so when the Assembly Cut came in existence. I don't hate Resurrection either. It's the weakest link of the 4 I think but it has it's moments as well. I do revel in the memory that I got to see Resurrection before it was released worldwide. A friend of mine at the time won tickets on the radio to a pre-screening of the movie & took me as his guest so even though the movie was kinda bleh compared to the rest, was still a fun experience.
Alright, who picked Res?, fess up!
Aliens
Alien
AR
A3
Alien 3 fite me
Alien Both Theatrical & Director's Cut 11/10
Aliens Special Edition 10/10
Prometheus More to it than meets the eye 10/10
Alien 3 Extended 7/10
Alien Resurrection 6.5/10
AVP 6/10
AVPR 4/10
Vote recast:
A L I E N - Cerebral Masterpiece 11/10
A L I E N S - Awesome Thriller 10/10
PROMETHEUS - Cerebral Work of Art 8/10
A L I E N 3 - Dark, nihilistic depiction 7/10
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Alien 3 fite me
Meet me somewhere.
haha...I know you're joking, but is there such a franchise with so much infighting..between Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 fans, heck there's even some AR fanatics and AVPR too lol.
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Quote from: Serpent/Slayer on Jul 01, 2016, 09:00:48 PM
Alien 3 fite me
Meet me somewhere.
haha...I know you're joking, but is there such a franchise with so much infighting..between Alien, Aliens and Alien 3 fans, heck there's even some AR fanatics and AVPR too lol.
Star Wars.
Aliens
Alien
Alien 3
Alien R
The best picture in the series is the original; it utilized the resources available to it more efficiently than the other films in the franchise.
My favorite is Alien 3. Tonally, thematically, I feel it speaks to something intrinsic to the human condition. Its religious angle both echoes the strange Feudian spirituality that serves as a subtext in Alien and foreshadows the overt von Däniken-based religious concepts that drive Prometheus. In my mind, Alien as a series is as much about religious horror as it is body horror or jump scares.
for me it's been a toss up love both Alien and Aliens
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Alien 3 fite me
Meet me somewhere.
Meet me at the playground at 6:30.
You bring your dad, I'll bring mine. We'll see which one is tougher.
Moms too and you got a deal.
My mom has high-octane crazy blood. You're on.
A L I E N >>> A L I E N S >>>>>>>>> ALIEN³ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RESURRECTION
1. Alien and Alien 3. Alien is ... well, it's Alien but Alien 3 is probably the most underrated Alien movie. It's much better than Aliens. It's real bloody drama. Hicks and Newt (most annoying character in saga) died? Who cares? It's an Alien movie and Alien movies are about horror of life, death and solitude.
2. Aliens, very first Alien movie I've seen on VHS, is quite cheesy. I've seen it few days ago. It's great but kinda corny for me. Too much action. Never been into Marines thing. No mystery. Cannot compete with original one. Sorry James, Ridley's Alien is better.
3. Alien: Resurrection is the first Alien movie I have seen in the cinema. I don't hate it. Kinda like it actually. It's got sentimental value for me.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 13, 2006, 11:54:35 AM
You like 3 more than Aliens?
Me too. It's the most dramatic movie from the saga. Most spiritual, symbolic and philosophical. And that atmosphere. David Fincher!
In the survey it should be included Prometheus and the two of Alien vs Predator.
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 29, 2016, 10:13:58 PM
In the survey it should be included Prometheus and the two of Alien vs Predator.
Well, AVP is a different series so that's why it's not included. though Prometheus should be added though if any mod sees this the votes should NOT be Rebooted as this poll has gone on for years and years.
I have added Prometheus.
I still can't pick a favorite. I love all the first three as much as each other. It just depends on my mood which particular film I want to watch.
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 29, 2016, 10:13:58 PM
In the survey it should be included Prometheus and the two of Alien vs Predator.
Alien vs Predator series are not the movies, they are ... I don't really know how to name them. Abomination? Heresy?
Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 30, 2016, 09:15:04 AM
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 29, 2016, 10:13:58 PM
In the survey it should be included Prometheus and the two of Alien vs Predator.
Alien vs Predator series are not the movies, they are ... I don't really know how to name them. Abomination? Heresy?
I will not tire of saying that AVP is rather better than Resurrection.
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Quote from: Ingwar on Nov 30, 2016, 09:15:04 AM
Quote from: SamuelDL on Nov 29, 2016, 10:13:58 PM
In the survey it should be included Prometheus and the two of Alien vs Predator.
Alien vs Predator series are not the movies, they are ... I don't really know how to name them. Abomination? Heresy?
I will not tire of saying that AVP is rather better than Resurrection.
Maybe for you. Opinion is always subjective. For me, Resurrection is 100 times better than AVP.
Switched from Aliens to Prometheus.
I love the first two and Prometheus pretty much the same, but in my current mood Prometheus is my favorite.
I mean...David on the ship, David and the orrery, David and Holloway. How do you compete?
@BishopShouldGo
So far, you are the only one who has voted for Prometheus :)
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 30, 2016, 09:12:58 AM
I still can't pick a favorite. I love all the first three as much as each other. It just depends on my mood which particular film I want to watch.
I absolutely agree. It is very hard to choose between Alien, Aliens, and Alien³. They are all so good.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Nov 30, 2016, 02:53:39 PM
Switched from Aliens to Prometheus.
I love the first two and Prometheus pretty much the same, but in my current mood Prometheus is my favorite.
I mean...David on the ship, David and the orrery, David and Holloway. How do you compete?
With a film that knows what it's trying to be and what it's trying to say and doesn't lose its head up its own ass :P
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Nov 30, 2016, 02:53:39 PM
Switched from Aliens to Prometheus.
I love the first two and Prometheus pretty much the same, but in my current mood Prometheus is my favorite.
I mean...David on the ship, David and the orrery, David and Holloway. How do you compete?
With a film that knows what it's trying to be and what it's trying to say and doesn't lose its head up its own ass :P
Haha. I embrace all of its perfect imperfections.
An intelligent film that's not intelligent, a horror movie that's not scary, a profound film that's about as deep as a kiddy wading pool. Very zen!
I can't believe the love for aliens. It's a fantastic film but it's not even close to Alien! Everything that makes the first one so mystifying, atmospheric and otherwordly is gone in the sequel. You could have replaced the alien with another generic creature and it would still rock but it's not the true vision of the alien IMO
Alien>>>>aliens>>prometheus>alien3>>>>>alien ressurection
The second movie can never be like the first because the first involved horror, and that could no longer be repeated in subsequent films because the alien was already revealed. That's why the second and third movies had to use other genres (action for the second and something like detective fiction for the third).
Aliens and Alien 3 were principally horror movies with Alien 3 not being a detective story at all.
Aliens didn't supersede the horror with action, it was added alongside it. Except the suspense was punctuated by a bullet instead of a headbite.
What makes the first one a horror movie is the point that the creature is not revealed fully until the end. Given that, it would have been pointless for the second and third movies to try to do the same. That's why the second focused on action and the third something similar to detective fiction (i.e., outwitting the creature).
Hmm. Second was still a horror film and the third wasn't a detective movie.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Dec 05, 2016, 02:57:29 AM
Hmm. Second was still a horror film and the third wasn't a detective movie.
Think he must have meant
defective...
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Dec 05, 2016, 02:57:29 AM
Hmm. Second was still a horror film and the third wasn't a detective movie.
Think he must have meant defective...
Leave Alien 3 alone :)
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Dec 05, 2016, 02:57:29 AM
Hmm. Second was still a horror film and the third wasn't a detective movie.
The first used suspense (i.e., the creature is revealed fully in the end). The second couldn't do that again so it used action. The third couldn't repeat the second, so it combined elements from the first two and focused on how to defeat the creature without weapons available.
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Dec 05, 2016, 02:57:29 AM
Hmm. Second was still a horror film and the third wasn't a detective movie.
Think he must have meant defective...
Detective fiction:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detective_fiction
That is, a "puzzle approach," but one that did not involve solving a crime.
The 2nd one had another surprise up it's sleeve with the queen! So the big reveal is comparable with Alien.
They play Alien 3 on tv this weekend , I'm looking forward to watch it again but I remember I didn't like it much. I'd love to see that assembly cut which seems to redeem the film according to some.
The AC really doesn't redeem the film overall, but definitely adds more character depth and further explanation of certain scenes/sequences. The premier edition would be a mix of the AC and TC (Theatrical Cut).
Aye, my preferred cut sits between the 2 but over all, I'd say the AC is a better experience. I'd recommend giving it a watch if you haven't. Better yet, go pick up the Alien Anthology set and enjoy alternate cuts of all the films and more behind the scenes insight than you can shake a stick at!
Quote from: nanison on Dec 06, 2016, 11:27:58 PM
The 2nd one had another surprise up it's sleeve with the queen! So the big reveal is comparable with Alien.
They play Alien 3 on tv this weekend , I'm looking forward to watch it again but I remember I didn't like it much. I'd love to see that assembly cut which seems to redeem the film according to some.
In the first movie, the protagonists needed to know what they were dealing with, and could only know as each of them was killed.
For the second movie, the goal was to get away from the planet. They only found out about the queen because they had to find the child.
The first Alien movie set the bar! It actually gave us the Space Jockey and more questions with the nest of eggs. We kinda already knew there would be a Queen laying all those eggs. The chest Burster! The dodgy Android that no one saw coming. It's my favourite Alien movie
A very close second is James Cameron's Aliens! It was totally different yet it worked well. We see the Queen reveal, colonies were formed. The deception of Burke instead of Bishop! The roller Coaster ride to keep you hooked to the end. Hicks just walked from Terminator into Aliens lol. I loved how it separated itself from the first movie. Too some this was the best Alien movie. And I wouldn't argue with them on that.
Alien 3 very close again. Can't see why it got so much hate. I loved the evolvement of the Alien through animal DNA how unique a species it was. The directors cut obviously was way better. And I loved it a lot. The sense of dread. Having no weapons reminded me of the first movie in a way! "Brian Glover" that Yorkshire accent lol. I had to make myself a cup of tetley when I first saw him in the movie. Everything Fincher did made it different from both movies. That's good direction
Resurrection hmmm I hated that movie in every way! Was not needed at all. The birth of what the heck was that again baby with tits and skelator face. Nope not acceptable to me. I hated that movie. It just didn't work for me. Very wooden characters.
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Aliens its been my favorite film since 1999 when i was 10 its a masterpiece
Alien has been my favourite film as in, as long as i can remember.
It wasn't yet when i was a teenager, as i was too young to really appreciate it. I do remember seeing a good part of the movie as i sneaked behind the couch of my parents watching the movie. i guess they were so into the tension of the movie that they didnt notice i was enjoying the tension too.
weird, really, as i was absolutely frightened to death by ET. i remember that scene in the bushes with the finger and it scared me to the bone. I yelled and cried like a pup. Yet somehow with Alien, I was absolutely mesmerised and stunned by the awesomeness.
My parents noticed i grasped for breath i guess when the alien went for lambert. i never did see the chestbursting scene back then i'm sure that would have had some negative impact.
Movie always stayed with me. All of them, really. Obviously Alien tops it, and Aliens is a good second. I dont mind 3 and Resurection, really.
AVP was a letdown. Messy. It was fun from a fun point of view, not in a franchise-abusing way, and i was less enjoyed by Weyland and Bishop's portrayal. Requiem was absolutely tasteless and shamefull. I immediately grew a deep-filled resentment against the Strauss failures.
Anyway, my favourite Alien movie aside the alien universe would be I guess Predator and Independance day. (the one with Will Smith in it, not the new one). Also 'Sphere' i really enjoyed.
I felt goosebumps during Independence Day when first hearing the signal. Must say though i never felt any 'tension' during the movie. It never had a real horror feel to it to be honest - not that it intended that i think. It could have made a good one had they implemented horror better in it.
ah and really enjoye "The Body Snatchers" too. a lot.
but as for the franchise movies:
1) Alien
2) Aliens
3) Alien3
4) Alien: Resurrection
5) Prometheus
Sphere's a really, really good movie with some great talents involved in it
I have a lot of trouble deciding between Alien and Aliens, but I chose Alien as as my favorite, followed very closely by Aliens. The rest are alright, but drop down a lot on my personal ranking, with Alien 3, then Alien: Resurrection, and lastly Prometheus. I am keeping an open mind in terms of Alien: Covenant and future films, but I don't personally feel that Prometheus did a very good job explaining everything so far. Though I will say that since there are more films coming out (which I wasn't aware of the last time I saw Prometheus), I probably just need to re-watch it to fully appreciate it.
Prometheus shouldn't be in that poll. It's not an alien movie. If you're going to put Prometheus, you might as well include AVP too.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 09, 2017, 04:35:26 AM
Sphere's a really, really good movie with some great talents involved in it
Is it better than AR?
Quote from: Scorpio on Feb 09, 2017, 06:29:09 AM
Prometheus shouldn't be in that poll. It's not an alien movie. If you're going to put Prometheus, you might as well include AVP too.
Here here!
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Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 09, 2017, 04:35:26 AM
Sphere's a really, really good movie with some great talents involved in it
Is it better than AR?
Gingerbread Man is better than A:R
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Quote from: Scorpio on Feb 09, 2017, 06:29:09 AM
Prometheus shouldn't be in that poll. It's not an alien movie. If you're going to put Prometheus, you might as well include AVP too.
Prometheus is part of a prequel trilogy that is supposedly going to lead into the original film, given that and the fact it is legitimately part of the Alien universe makes it appropriate for this list.
AvP/AvPR could be included although I personally wouldn't.
The AVP movies were actually prequels until Prometheus erased that canon and created a new one
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 09, 2017, 04:41:21 PM
The AVP movies were actually prequels until Prometheus erased that canon and created a new one
I agree but there is more than a few people here that will argue passionately that Prometheus and AvP can coexist in the same canon.
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 09, 2017, 06:59:30 AM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 09, 2017, 04:35:26 AM
Sphere's a really, really good movie with some great talents involved in it
Is it better than AR?
Gingerbread Man is better than A:R
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Dammit, I can't believe that Aliens is so throughly dominating the poll.
It is a great movie, has every reason to be a favorite for so many fans.
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Quote from: Scorpio on Feb 09, 2017, 06:29:09 AM
Prometheus shouldn't be in that poll. It's not an alien movie. If you're going to put Prometheus, you might as well include AVP too.
Prometheus is part of a prequel trilogy that is supposedly going to lead into the original film, given that and the fact it is legitimately part of the Alien universe makes it appropriate for this list.
I don't think Prometheus was intended to be a prequel to alien, it's instead part of a shared universe. Alien Covenant may be a prequel, but Scott deliberately steered Prometheus away from being a prequel (read Jon Spaights first draft for Prometheus).
AVP could also be said to be 'shared universe' films, because they don't really lead into Alien.
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Feb 10, 2017, 02:05:43 AM
Dammit, I can't believe that Aliens is so throughly dominating the poll.
Well what did you expect? Its one of the greatest alien movies (Not just Xeno's) ever made and this is AVP Galaxy after all.
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Feb 10, 2017, 02:05:43 AM
Dammit, I can't believe that Aliens is so thoroughly dominating the poll.
Let's face it, it was always going to be (at best) a two horse race between Aliens and Alien and, as good as the original is, the majority of people in these polls are going to lean towards it's more action heavy and quotable sequel. The other films barely merit a mention...
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Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Feb 10, 2017, 02:05:43 AM
Dammit, I can't believe that Aliens is so thoroughly dominating the poll.
Let's face it, it was always going to be (at best) a two horse race between Aliens and Alien and, as good as the original is, the majority of people in these polls are going to lean towards it's more action heavy and quotable sequel. The other films barely merit a mention...
I personally hate action unless its Verhoeven, Cameron or Miller, and I never cared for quoatable dialog. I love Aliens because of its visual imagery, the backlight, haze, that sort of thing, the long buildup and insane tension that builds fast then never lets go. While Alien is a master of suspense, Aliens is a master of tension, you couldnt pull a pin out of my ass with a tractor while watching Aliens
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Feb 10, 2017, 02:31:16 AM
It is a great movie, has every reason to be a favorite for so many fans.
I never said that it wasn't.
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Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Feb 10, 2017, 02:05:43 AM
Dammit, I can't believe that Aliens is so throughly dominating the poll.
Quote from: Matriarch on Feb 10, 2017, 03:10:25 AM
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Feb 10, 2017, 02:05:43 AM
Dammit, I can't believe that Aliens is so throughly dominating the poll.
Well what did you expect? Its one of the greatest alien movies (Not just Xeno's) ever made and this is AVP Galaxy after all.
I didn't expect for it to so utterly dominate the poll.
Quote from: Rankles75 on Feb 10, 2017, 03:17:58 AM
Quote from: Nyarlathotep on Feb 10, 2017, 02:05:43 AM
Dammit, I can't believe that Aliens is so thoroughly dominating the poll.
Let's face it, it was always going to be (at best) a two horse race between Aliens and Alien and, as good as the original is, the majority of people in these polls are going to lean towards it's more action heavy and quotable sequel. The other films barely merit a mention...
That certainly seems to be the sad but honest truth.
No surprise for me, Alien and Aliens are great movies. I find it amazing that "lighting in a bottle" struck twice for this franchise and I doubt it'll happen again.
That said, of the two films, Aliens has a much broader appeal to general audiences. I find it hard to get people to who haven't seen Alien to actually appreciate its slow & quiet style. The effects in both flicks have aged some-what as well, even in the nineties my friends always tried to rag on the films by pointing out the men in suits.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 10, 2017, 04:34:30 PM
No surprise for me, Alien and Aliens are great movies. I find it amazing that "lighting in a bottle" struck twice for this franchise and I doubt it'll happen again.
That said, of the two films, Aliens has a much broader appeal to general audiences. I find it hard to get people to who haven't seen Alien to actually appreciate its slow & quiet style. The effects in both flicks have aged some-what as well, even in the nineties my friends always tried to rag on the films by pointing out the men in suits.
I'd say the effects in Aliens have aged considerably better than Alien, not surprisingly given the advances in technology. Although saying that, Alien 3 features some of the worst ef in the series. The only real issue I have with the effects in Aliens are some of the external dropship shots (most notably when Bishop is flying Ripley back into the facility)...
Most of the stuff in Alien holds up pretty good, honestly. They did a good job of not showing stuff. I think the only shots that really look off, to me, are the shots of the Alien outside the shuttle at the very end.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 10, 2017, 04:43:25 AMWhile Alien is a master of suspense, Aliens is a master of tension, you couldnt pull a pin out of my ass with a tractor while watching Aliens
What is AR a master of?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 10, 2017, 08:16:58 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 10, 2017, 04:43:25 AMWhile Alien is a master of suspense, Aliens is a master of tension, you couldnt pull a pin out of my ass with a tractor while watching Aliens
What is AR a master of?
AR is a master of cheese
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 10, 2017, 04:34:30 PM
No surprise for me, Alien and Aliens are great movies. I find it amazing that "lighting in a bottle" struck twice for this franchise and I doubt it'll happen again.
That said, of the two films, Aliens has a much broader appeal to general audiences. I find it hard to get people to who haven't seen Alien to actually appreciate its slow & quiet style. The effects in both flicks have aged some-what as well, even in the nineties my friends always tried to rag on the films by pointing out the men in suits.
You can probably chalk that up to the masses general preference of action over suspense.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 10, 2017, 08:16:58 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 10, 2017, 04:43:25 AMWhile Alien is a master of suspense, Aliens is a master of tension, you couldnt pull a pin out of my ass with a tractor while watching Aliens
What is AR a master of?
Well, it's all brown and yellow, very fitting palette
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 10, 2017, 08:16:58 PM
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 10, 2017, 04:43:25 AMWhile Alien is a master of suspense, Aliens is a master of tension, you couldnt pull a pin out of my ass with a tractor while watching Aliens
What is AR a master of?
Well, it's all brown and yellow, very fitting palette
Like poopcorn?
Yeah, fart popcorn
The fact the movie is constantly lit from below doesn't help, either.
-Windebieste.
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The fact the movie is constantly lit from below doesn't help, either.
Are you in the club?
Quote from: OpenMaw on Feb 10, 2017, 08:09:20 PM
Most of the stuff in Alien holds up pretty good, honestly. They did a good job of not showing stuff. I think the only shots that really look off, to me, are the shots of the Alien outside the shuttle at the very end.
The cutaway shot of Ash's slightly withered head also doesn't look very good. As a whole, though I agree that Alien holds up remarkably well for a film of its age.
Definitely Aliens, it has a great feeling of nostalgia for me.
Alien
I can't say why. I just find it to be a perfect and complete movie.
1)Alien
2)Aliens
3)Alien 3
4) Prometheus
5)Alien Resurrection
Alien, followed very closely by Aliens. I saw both when I was very young, which probably made them that much more immersive.
Prometheus is infinitely better than Alien 3, Resurrection, and the AVP films in my opinion.
Alien, Aliens, Prometheus, Alien 3. Fin
Aliens hands down its also my favourite film of all time I love it and it's a masterpiece in my opinion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlM4s3ckvQw&t=4850s
^ Good stuff
Aliens followed by Alien 3, Alien, Prometheus then finally AR.
Aliens.
Hands down Aliens. A great sci-fi action movie.
Quote from: Alien³ on Apr 18, 2017, 11:03:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlM4s3ckvQw&t=4850s
I saw his review Alien 3 with Chris Stuckmann. Good stuff, and I know he suggested some of the images from Strange Shapes for Stuckmann's video ;) 8)
Aliens is fun but it's extremely dated imho. I mean, I love Hudson to death. But, the 80's characters don't "gel" well with the 21st century reality we live in, while Alien and Alien 3 don't suffer this age. Could have been made last year (albeit of course, with CGI) and the character interactions still would have been solid. Not to say Aliens isn't...but
The films within the Alien series have always fit in a kind of "period piece in the future", and the future is indeed quite grim. Alien alludes to socioeconomic issues, and so does Alien 3. Aliens, talks about them, albeit, in quite a liberal fashion.
I don't understand why more people haven't voted for the first, it's dripping with subtext both feminist, political, sexual, biological.
I know Aliens is a great movie, and I wish there was an option for all 3.
The fourth is something...I really don't see as canon.
I love that Prometheus has one lonely vote :laugh:
Very Good:
1. Alien (best horror movie ever) - 9/10
2. Alien: Covenant (great story, great David) - 8/10
3. Prometheus (great story, great David) - 8/10
Good
4. Aliens (good action movie, good characters, boring story) - 7/10
5. Alien Resurrection (great visuals, good characters, bad story) 6/10
Bad
6. Alien 3 (crap story, bad characters) 3/10
7. AVP (nice action, rest is crap) 2/10
8. AVP 2 (nice action, rest is crap) 2/10
Added Alien Convenient to the poll; you can also change your vote
Alien
Aliens
Alien3 - alien covenant
Prometheus
Alien resurrection
...out of 4 stars
Alien 4 stars
Aliens Special Edition 4 stars
Alien 3 Assembly Cut 3.5 stars
Prometheus 3 stars
Alien Covenant 2.5 stars
Alien vs. Predator 2 stars
Alien Resurrection 2 stars
AVP Requiem 1 star
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 20, 2017, 01:34:09 PM
Alien
Aliens
Alien3 - alien covenant
Prometheus
Alien resurrection
This is exactly my list. I need to rewatch Covenant to make the final decision on placing.
Quote from: Russ840 on May 21, 2017, 06:46:17 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on May 20, 2017, 01:34:09 PM
Alien
Aliens
Alien3 - alien covenant
Prometheus
Alien resurrection
This is exactly my list. I need to rewatch Covenant to make the final decision on placing.
Yeah covenant could still move up for me when i see it again, I enjoyed it a lot. i have a feeling alien3, prometheus, and AC will switch places a lot for me. Im comfortable with alien and aliens staying at the top.
After watching these movies over and over my list of best to worst with reviews on why are as follows.
1. Alien 9.5 out of 10
Ridley Scott directed probably his best ever film in the 70's. The film still stands well. With unique set designs and lighting that gives you a sense of dread. Possibly one of the greatest horror scenes ever witnessed. The chest burster. How do you tackle a species never encountered before? With no weapons. Yet so unpredictable yet deadly. This film truly set the bar. No one knew who was safe and who would survive!
2. Aliens 9.4 out of 10
One of the greatest sequels ever created. I put this behind Alien for one reason only. We knew what to expect. Only surprise being the Queen. Aliens had great idea's that were executed fantastically. The games industry that created franchise like Halo and Killzone and so many others owe it to James Cameron's Aliens. Full on suspense. Marines getting their asses tested to the max was fulfilling. Alien was a complete horror while Aliens was a complete action movie with maybe 10% horror elements. Bigger budget was a bonus!
3. Alien 3. 8 out of 10 Assembly Cut
Theatrical Cut 6.5 out of 10
I hated this movie at the cinema it just didn't gel well with the other movies. Having faced constant rewrites of a shoddy script. It fell flat. No! Just no don't kill Hicks and especially Newt? Huh and Ripley too [emoji26] What no weapons? What no Marines? Huh bald head Ripley? These were the questions upon questions. Yet after watching the Assembly Cut it felt more current and more like a stand alone movie. That was completely done in a different way! I would say the acting in Alien 3 was some of the best. It tackled so much obstacles like religion salvation. Rape and the human element. The Alien kinda took a back seat half way through this movie. Some opportunities that could have made this a 9 were missed. Alien Covenant seized that in its openness. I just feel that Alien 3 should have had some scenes shot outside the prison. Realistically it would have happened. The weight of losing the whole Cast was painful and you just knew this was the end for sure?
4. Prometheus 7.5 out of 10
It gets 4th place because it's not about Aliens, but more about were did we come from who was that Space Jockey in Alien? I loved the set design of this movie. Fantastic locations with epic special effects. Dr Shaw's character along with David were performed well. It unfortunately though made me question questions. I'm sure a lot of die hard Alien fans never expected this. Why does David appear more advanced than Ash? The space Jockey was fossilised in the first movie for more than 10.000 years yet Prometheus was supposedly set in 2093 and Alien was set in 2122! Why didn't vickers run to the left or the right? Why the heck are scientists acting like retards? Not even in a comical way more annoyingly so. 3 crew members decide to save humanity by blowing themselves up. In real situations it just wouldn't happen. This could have been done so much better. Having watched Prometheus again I get a clue and then another clue. I love that about this movie. Davids agenda. Shaw's crusade to find more answers. David seeing Shaw's kindness! Yup I killed your boyfriend and also caused the black goo to get your ass pregnant. Yet you are so kind to fix me so I've got plans for you just you wait and see!!!.
5. Alien Ressurrection 7 out of 10
The movie over time isn't at all terrible it is mostly light drama and mostly filled with black comedy so you totally lose that sense of dread, female Android is a shoplifter (bad joke). I totally hated the entire cast in this movie. I wanted them all to die. Bringing back Ripley as a hybred. Hmmmm weird. What the heck is that thing the Queen giving birth too? Jeez it's got tits [emoji15]
Ok enough with the negatives. The positives are there. The director did a fantastic job with the production and filming. The colours were more mustard instead of blue or green hues. I totally dig the soundtrack. But that's were it ends for me. That scene of them on earth at the end was a nice touch.
If you ignore the first 2 movies and look at this as a standalone it's not at all that bad.
No Alien Covenant as I've yet to see it.
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Three days since it was added and there is still no votes for Alien Covenant lol
From what I hear it is not going to be the best in the franchise but at least its far from the worst. Better than Prometheus I hear fans say.
Quote from: The Cruentus on May 23, 2017, 08:59:37 AM
Three days since it was added and there is still no votes for Alien Covenant lol
From what I hear it is not going to be the best in the franchise but at least its far from the worst. Better than Prometheus I hear fans say.
I've heard from a lot of people it's worse than Prometheus which I liked.
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Covenant was markedly better than Prometheus, but I doubt it will be anyone's favourite in the series. Surprised Prometheus got a vote tbh, although Alien Resurrection did bizarrely get 38 votes. Besides, it's not really fair to stick it in an old poll which most people on here have already voted on...
Quote from: Rankles75 on May 23, 2017, 03:58:58 PM
Covenant was markedly better than Prometheus, but I doubt it will be anyone's favourite in the series. Surprised Prometheus got a vote tbh, although Alien Resurrection did bizarrely get 38 votes. Besides, it's not really fair to stick it in an old poll which most people on here have already voted on...
I think Alien Covenant went overboard with the marketing. I think a lot of people were pissed a lot of what were in the trailers didn't make the cut. Annoyingly we have Ridley Scott signed on for a few more of these movies. Has he lost the plot a bit? Or will it tie up perfectly with Alien 79?
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Quote from: KainSwiss on May 24, 2017, 02:16:46 AM
Quote from: Rankles75 on May 23, 2017, 03:58:58 PM
Covenant was markedly better than Prometheus, but I doubt it will be anyone's favourite in the series. Surprised Prometheus got a vote tbh, although Alien Resurrection did bizarrely get 38 votes. Besides, it's not really fair to stick it in an old poll which most people on here have already voted on...
I think Alien Covenant went overboard with the marketing. I think a lot of people were pissed a lot of what were in the trailers didn't make the cut. Annoyingly we have Ridley Scott signed on for a few more of these movies. Has he lost the plot a bit? Or will it tie up perfectly with Alien 79?
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Scenes from trailers not being in the film seems to be the in thing these days. Had to laugh the other day when Sky showed a trailer for Rogue One made up almost entirely of them... :D
Ranking them...
1. Aliens
Theatrical: 9/10
SE: 9.5/10
2. Alien
Theatrical: 9/10
DC: 8.5/10
3. Alien 3
Theatrical: 6.5/10
AC: 6.5/10 (I guess I'm in the minority, but I liked the "grab the queenburster" ending better)
4. Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem
Theatrical: 5.5/10
Unrated: 5.5/10 (can barely tell the difference)
5. Prometheus
Theatrical: 5/10
Extended: N/A
6. Alien vs. Predator
Theatrical: 4.5/10
Other: N/A
7. Alien Resurrection
Theatrical: 4/10
DC: 4/10
N/A. Alien: Covenant
I rewatched all 7 this weekend. That includes both AVP films, of course. My rank remains the same. The only thing i'd say is that Resurrection was worse than I had given it credit for, & it made AVP seem even better by comparison. I lowered my grade for Resurrection to reflect that.
Alien 4/4
Aliens 4/4
Alien 3 3.5/4
Prometheus 3/4
Covenant 2.5/4
AVP 2/4
Resurrection 1.5/4
AVPR 1/4
Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 (AC), Prometheus and Covenant are all equal.
Alien: Resurrection, AVP, AVP:R are all dead to me.
Alien
Alien: Covenant
Alien 3 Assembly
Prometheus
Aliens
Alien Resurrection
As you can see, I enjoy the films more when the alien is stalking and killing alone. Aliens is a great film, but it's action orientated approach hasn't stood the test of time with me the same way the brooding dread has of Alien and Alien 3.
I put Covenant up there because I appreciate the restraint Ridley had regarding the Xenomorph in it.
Quote from: Alionic on May 30, 2017, 03:57:57 AM
Alien
Alien: Covenant
Alien 3 Assembly
Prometheus
Aliens
Alien Resurrection
As you can see, I enjoy the films more when the alien is stalking and killing alone. Aliens is a great film, but it's action orientated approach hasn't stood the test of time with me the same way the brooding dread has of Alien and Alien 3.
I put Covenant up there because I appreciate the restraint Ridley had regarding the Xenomorph in it.
The Alien Queen ? I get what your saying but the marines didn't act dumb in Aliens. In Alien Covenant the scientists acted stupid. Why on earth is it so hard lately for Ridley Scott to build on his characters profiles.
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Aliens
Alien
Alien 3
Prometheus
Alien Covenant
AVP
AVP-R
Alien: Resurrection
1. Alien:Resurrection
2. Alien:Covenant
3. Aliens
4. Alien
5. Alien 3
6. Prometheus
Alien
Aliens
Alien3
Alien: Covenant
Prometheus
Alien: Resurrection
Alien Vs Predator
Aliens Vs Predator: Requiem
Quote from: Chronicle on Jun 06, 2017, 03:01:26 PM
1. Alien:Resurrection
2. Alien:Covenant
3. Aliens
4. Alien
5. Alien 3
6. Prometheus
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Quote from: necrotard on Jun 06, 2017, 10:14:18 PM
Alien
Aliens
Alien3
Alien: Covenant
Prometheus
Alien: Resurrection
Alien Vs Predator
Aliens Vs Predator: Requiem
Same
A:R is the most underrated.
:laugh:
Aliens
Alien 3 (The special edition version)
Alien
Alien res
Alien covenant
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 06, 2017, 10:31:28 PM
Quote from: Chronicle on Jun 06, 2017, 03:01:26 PM
1. Alien:Resurrection
2. Alien:Covenant
3. Aliens
4. Alien
5. Alien 3
6. Prometheus
http://img.allw.mn/content/zl/ep/kb1gg0uo.jpg
LMAO :laugh:
Hey now, don't judge ::)
To each their own.
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 07, 2017, 03:46:14 AM
To each their own.
So is Alien 3 your favorite I assume?
Favorite? Yes.
Best? No, still goes to A L I E N or ALIENS.
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 07, 2017, 01:51:29 PM
Favorite? Yes.
Best? No, still goes to A L I E N or ALIENS.
Same
Quote from: Chronicle on Jun 06, 2017, 03:01:26 PM
1. Alien:Resurrection
2. Alien:Covenant
3. Aliens
4. Alien
5. Alien 3
6. Prometheus
Can I ask why Resurrection is your favorite? I would actually like to hear a positive perspective on this film.
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jun 07, 2017, 01:51:29 PM
Favorite? Yes.
Best? No, still goes to A L I E N or ALIENS.
Well of course :D
That's like the easiest answer in the books. Of course Alien and Aliens are classics but doesn't mean someone couldn't think another Alien film was better or more enjoyable.
That's been my opinion for years. Alien3 is my personal favorite. It's the one I enjoy watching the most, but Aliens is a better movie and Alien is the best. (I've met so many snobs who completely can't understand thinking this way.)
I actually loved Alien 3 also. I also think if David Fincher had his way it might have been the best of the series. However my favourite would still go to Alien it had more mystery and questions that needed addressing. Alien Resurrection I found in parts worked well. But that suffered from almost Black Comedy in certain scenes it lost that seriousness that the Alien series always had.
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Quote from: necrotard on Jun 07, 2017, 09:43:20 PM
That's been my opinion for years. Alien3 is my personal favorite. It's the one I enjoy watching the most, but Aliens is a better movie and Alien is the best. (I've met so many snobs who completely can't understand thinking this way.)
Alien Resurrection being one of my favorites in the franchise, what did you think of it Necrotard?
It's my least favorite aside from the AVP films, but I still enjoy it. Most of the appeal is nostalgia, but I really appreciate some of the humor, the cinematography, and the animatronic/puppet work on the newborn. Seeing some of Jean-Pierre Jeunet's other work and getting familiar with his style also boosted my appreciation for Resurrection.
The way my brain works I have to lump them together -
Alien/Aliens (Great double feature)
3/Res/Covenant (Good ideas within all)
...
Prometheus (Should've just shot Spaiht's script)
Also for me AVP is closer to the Predator side of things so I didn't bother re-watching them before Covenant (nothing to do with canon or timelines I just didn't feel like it - I'll save it for The Predator next year).
This poll explains why so many people positive posts about Prometheus. It's my favorite of the lot and I've never felt welcome here.
For me Alien. While it's not action oriented like Aliens, i liked the original more for better creature and being the first to watch.
Quote from: Protozoid on Jun 28, 2017, 01:58:34 AM
This poll explains why so many people positive posts about Prometheus. It's my favorite of the lot and I've never felt welcome here.
I think it's against the law to like Prometheus more than Alien or Aliens. Or, at least, it
should be.
Alien is always going to be that timeless master piece, but I am not ashamed to admit that right in this moment Covenant is my favorite Alien film. It just hit a lot of the right spots, both story-wise and aesthetic-wise. When I exited the theaters I felt a huge surge of empowerment, I felt like creating art. I still have that feeling more than a month after.
Alien and Aliens are my top two. Of the two I prefer Aliens.
Quote from: Protozoid on Jun 28, 2017, 01:58:34 AM
This poll explains why so many people positive posts about Prometheus. It's my favorite of the lot and I've never felt welcome here.
I can understand why some would love Prometheus more. It's visually appealing and the fact your first for answers to the many things going on it beautifully sets things up for sequel which to be honest we just didn't get. I loved the fact it was related to the Alien universe yet didn't need any in the first place.
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I love the first 3 equally, though in terms of execution I think the best is the first or second one, hard to say. I do like some stuff in Resurrection, but there was so many things I didn't like too, same for Prometheus and Covenant.
Prometheus
Alien Covenant
Alien
Alien 3
Alien Resurrection
AVP
Aliens
AVPR
Prometheus and Covenant are kind of interchangeable for me right now, as is Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection.
Alien
Aliens
Prometheus
Alien Covenant
Alien 3
Alien Resurrection
AVP
AVPR
Alien Covenant is creeping up on me...cgi Alien holds it in 4th.
Alien
Alien: Covenant
Prometheus
Alien3
Aliens
Alien Resurrection
AvP
AvP:R
Alien
Prometheus
Alien Covenant
Aliens
Alien 3
AVP
AVP:R
Alien Resurrection
Alien
Alien 3
Prometheus
Aliens
Alien Covenant
Alien Ressurection
I HOPE I can add more to this list in the future.... :-\ :-\ :-\. I need alien movies to look forward too!
P R O M E T H E U S
A L I E N
A L I E N: C O V E N A N T
A L I E N S
No love for Alien 3000.
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There's a thread for that:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=55141.msg2135564;topicseen#msg2135564
And
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=55152.msg2135791;topicseen#msg2135791
Love that there is no SKULL :D
Alien 3 -Assembly Cut-
Quote from: Scorpio on Dec 31, 2017, 10:31:44 AM
There's a thread for that:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=55141.msg2135564;topicseen#msg2135564
Well NOW you tell me!
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 04, 2018, 06:21:35 AM
Quote from: Beatnation on Dec 31, 2017, 12:49:36 PM
Alien 3 -Assembly Cut-
Why?
I like the alternate beginning on the beach, the ox chestburster, the Golic subplot, and additional interactions with the prisoners better, Local Trouble.
All legit reasons.
The dog burster is like x1000 better, smh tbh fam.
In general, I usually prefer the AC but yeah, the dogburst is better imho. It has more impact. I mean, all love dogs, right?
Yeah, not to mention that the ox is already dead. Zero impact.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 05, 2018, 01:14:51 PM
In general, I usually prefer the AC but yeah, the dogburst is better imho. It has more impact. I mean, all love dogs, right?
Problem with the dog one however, is that the Chestburster should not be that size (doesn't make sense that the dog was even alive for those last moments if it had
that inside it) or fully formed when it comes out, at least with the Ox it makes sense as it couldn't get out due to the toughness of a large host and it just kept growing on the inside, which killed the Ox and makes it more acceptable when it is born fully formed.
What doesn't make sense is the ox carking it long before the burst.
If a chestburster can burst through a rib cage and a skull - I don't see how a ox's chest would be much of an issue.
Around 1991 Mad Cow Disease was at its peak in the UK, that probably had an influence.
Quote from: SM on Jan 07, 2018, 12:21:41 AM
What doesn't make sense is the ox carking it long before the burst.
Is it possible that the ox was simply comatose like Kane was for a time after his facehugger detached?
No.
I asked SM.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 09, 2018, 07:48:41 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 07, 2018, 12:21:41 AM
What doesn't make sense is the ox carking it long before the burst.
Is it possible that the ox was simply comatose like Kane was for a time after his facehugger detached?
Kane woke up. I'd have thought they'd have checked it for signs of life too.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 09, 2018, 08:41:35 PM
I asked SM.
Coming across douchey there, Local.
Forgive me. I'm under the weather and feeling a tad cranky. :-[
And Kane didn't wake up immediately. His facehugger detached before the Nostromo left LV-426 and he didn't awaken until afterward.
Also, unless the prisoners saw comatose (versus merely sleeping) oxen on a regular basis, I imagine they could easily mistake one for being dead.
I like the part where he calls him douchey.
Reported this many times:
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 09, 2018, 08:41:35 PM
I asked SM.
Do I need to be one of the cool kids to respond to people around here? Anyway, my response was a bit short. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu5WZpx77fE you can see here that it's strung up and even has flies on its face. It's dead.
Those "flies" are the indigenous lice and they crawl on everything, not just carcasses. And I don't doubt that the inmates thought it was dead, hence being strung up.
As for being a cool kid, I'd prefer a Spacing Guild Navigator over a Mentat.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 09, 2018, 07:48:41 PM
Quote from: SM on Jan 07, 2018, 12:21:41 AM
What doesn't make sense is the ox carking it long before the burst.
Is it possible that the ox was simply comatose like Kane was for a time after his facehugger detached?
No, it was dead.
Carked?
Quite carked.
The two prisoners that wheeled in 'Babe' had some dialogue about her death, just prior to one of them discovering the Super/Royal Facehugger.
Yep. They mention her being dead a couple of times.
#Justice4Babe
Only 7 votes for the prequels. Shame, shame, shame.
That's not surprising though. As big a fan of the prequels as I am, they don't come close to surpassing Alien for me. I'm more surprised that 37 people actually like Resurrection the most.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 12, 2018, 12:19:05 PM
Only 7 votes for the prequels. Shame, shame, shame.
I suspect most people had already voted before Alien: Covenant came out.
Yeah. The thread had been going 6 years before Prometheus came out.
Definitely the first, although the second is also fine.
Quote from: Gash on Jan 13, 2018, 11:42:41 AM
I suspect most people had already voted before Alien: Covenant came out.
They can change their vote.
Prometheus and Covenant deserve more love. I know Alien and Aliens are OG, but give the new kid on a block a chance.
I don't personally want to remove my vote for ALIEN. Especially as it should be winning the poll.
If it was a points system I'd certainly add a vote for Covenant and Prometheus.
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 17, 2018, 02:15:20 AM
Prometheus and Covenant deserve more love. I know Alien and Aliens are OG, but give the new kid on a block a chance.
Why should anyone change their vote unless Prometheus or Covenant actually supplanted Alien or Aliens as their favorite movie?
Quote from: Scorpio on Jan 17, 2018, 02:15:20 AM
They can change their vote.
I accept VISA, Mastercard and Paypal.
#YesWeDoTakeBribes
Voted for Aliens myself but would have expected a more close race between Alien and Aliens.
1. Alien
2. Aliens
3. Alien3 (either cut, ideal somewhere in between)
^These are some of my favourite films, childhood favourites, read the novelisations many times. My Ripley canon. I give the edge to Aliens over Alien 3, just because it has a more definitive cut and is more fully realised.
4. Alien Covenant (one of the most thematically compelling and subtle films in the franchise, exceeded expectations and breathed new life into the franchise)
5. Prometheus (was just great to see a respectable Alien film again)
6. Alien Resurrection (fun spinoff, loved it immensely as a teen, has that Jeunet weirdness, a fun ensemble and nasty late 90s creature feature)
AVP1 is also solid fun for what it is, Requiem is bad
Quote from: Roo on Feb 15, 2018, 10:31:50 AM
1. Alien
2. Aliens
3. Alien3 (either cut, ideal somewhere in between)
^These are some of my favourite films, childhood favourites, read the novelisations many times. My Ripley canon. I give the edge to Aliens over Alien 3, just because it has a more definitive cut and is more fully realised.
4. Alien Covenant (one of the most thematically compelling and subtle films in the franchise, exceeded expectations and breathed new life into the franchise)
5. Prometheus (was just great to see a respectable Alien film again)
6. Alien Resurrection (fun spinoff, loved it immensely as a teen, has that Jeunet weirdness, a fun ensemble and nasty late 90s creature feature)
AVP1 is also solid fun for what it is, Requiem is bad
I pretty much agree with this.
I have to give it to Alien 3. Directors cut preferred. In my opinion, from a narrative standpoint it's the darkest in the franchise. Ripley survived all of what happened in the first 2 films, discovered a new family, then had it all torn from her. As if that wasn't enough, she's surrounded by violent convicts and another alien on a cesspit of a planet. Finds one last shot with Clemens, and boom. Then the Queen embryo inside, meaning the Alien has finally gotten her. It's just a very hostile and unforgiving film. It's a shame that it turned out to be such a bad experience for Fincher, and that he will most likely never come near the franchise again, as the man is truly talented and his style lends itself well to this particular universe.
On a related subject, I wish we could have seen what a Tony Scott Alien film would've been like. That "Man On Fire/Max Payne 3" style of his would've been wild.
No one likes the prequels?!!!?My order goes like this
Alien Covenant
Prometheus
Alien
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien Resurrection
Ironically the same order the series takes place(except alien covenant is after Prometheus)
I totally loved the first Alien movie. The end part were Ripley is running through the corridors and the alarms going off was terrifying. I would say Aliens was a close second more action more fun talk. Alien 3 was fantastic. Very dirty and grimey which made it compelling also. The tone and balance of that movie was special. The 4th movie in my opinion was irritating to watch at times. Not a bad movie but not even close to the first 2 movies nor the 3rd movie
Ok Prometheus I did like because it was new. Something different and we scratched the surface on who the engineers were.
Alien Covenant was great the first half! But to me just went upside down after. I hated it completely it was all over the place.
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I don't know, I love all the films from Alien to AvP:R
(Except prequels, I hate Prometheus with all my soul, Covenant was better, but still a mess)
I voted for Alien: Resurrection because it's diferent and I think that is the deepest one (also the death of the new born always leave me desolate, some times I fast step the scene because I really feel bad for him)
Quote from: Xenomorph60 on Mar 04, 2018, 12:35:35 AM
No one likes the prequels?!!!?My order goes like this
Alien Covenant
Prometheus
Alien
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien Resurrection
Ironically the same order the series takes place(except alien covenant is after Prometheus)
Well, the poll is older than the prequels so most members of this site voted for the movies they liked best at that time. That said, the prequels were nothing special, I enjoyed covenant but there is lot I dislike about it, so even if this poll was fresh I doubt the prequel would be getting much votes.
I suspect ALIEN will always top the poll for me. Covenant takes second place now.
I cannot decide between Alien and Aliens to be honest.
One thing I know for sure is, that I love the landscape and the appearance of Acheron since I saw it the first time.
This moon is a symbol for how hostile and cold space can be. But it is somehow enormously beautiful. Before WeYu and David (by creating the final Xenomorphs) started influencing it, Acheron was just vast nature and a perfect example for beauty of the cosmos. :)
Love your username just fyi
I used to think Aliens when I was younger but I've grown to love Alien the most. The characters just seem like real and familiar people to the point where each death disturbs and upsets you. I think Sigoutney's acting is best in this movie as well. Ripely, Parker and Dallas are who I'd consider my top 3 favorite characters from the entire series. Oh and Ripley/Dallas > Ripley/Hicks ;)
If I had to rank them it would probably look something like this:
Alien
Aliens
Alien Covenant
Alien 3
Prometheus
Alien Resurrection
Aliens got me into the franchise as a whole. If it wasn't for The Shawshank Redemption's "Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'," my senior quote would have been "Game over, man, game over!"
Although, Shawshank kinda led me to the Alien franchise, so . . . that probably wouldn't have worked.
1. Alien
2. Alien 3
3. Alien Covenant first half
4. Prometheus
5. Aliens
Big gap ...
6. Alien Covenant second half
7. Alien Resurrection
but they're just opinions. I haven't seen AR for a few years so I may be misremembering it.
1. A L I E N
2. ALIENS = ALIEN³
3. Blade Runner = BR2049
4. Peter Weyland TED-Talk = Prologue: Incubation
5. Alien ̶C̶o̶v̶e̶n̶a̶n̶t̶ Paradise Lost
6. Alien Resurrection
7. Prometheus
Prometheus is lower than AR??
I find Prometheus intolerably ambiguous.
Resurrection is colourful, straightforward, with characters larger than life.
It's more not Alien, but in ways other than intended it's creative and I can appreciate that.
It's easy to not take seriously, it's tonally and in a story capacity isolated from the others.
It has no influence on the rest of the universe, and no implications.
Prometheus is infuriatingly low quality in all but production and visuals, and implications are far reaching.
aliens
alien resurrection
alien
alien 3
prometheus
alien covenant
avp requiem
avp.
Yikes.
Quote from: Jutland on Sep 02, 2018, 05:11:05 PM
1. Alien
2. Alien 3
3. Alien Covenant first half
4. Prometheus
5. Aliens
Big gap ...
6. Alien Covenant second half
7. Alien Resurrection
but they're just opinions. I haven't seen AR for a few years so I may be misremembering it.
Hey that makes sense..splitting AC in half.
Alien
Aliens
Prometheus
AC first half
Huge gap
AC second half
Alien 3
Alien Resurrection
AVP
Sub level 75..
Sub level 5175..
AVP Requiem
Alien > Aliens = A3 > Covenant > (Resurrection) > Prometheus
Reply #1972
It's interesting because I consider myself more of a Predator fan, but overall prefer the Alien trilogy.
Alien
Aliens / Alien 3
Alien: Covenant
Alien: Resurrection / Prometheus
Even those at the bottom of the list have merit and contribute fascinating ideas, concepts, and perspectives, despite their shortcomings.
Agree with that.
What I love about the franchise as a whole is how it's set in the future, but this future involves a disgusting plague lifeform that seeks to impregnate and kill you. This future doesn't have a lovable ET, it has a nightmare. I just dig the contrast of a high-tech spaceship being infested with such a monster. Nature rebels against 'the future' with a natural weapon.
Indeed, or that humanity itself is still the one we know.
Realistic development
Aliens
Alien
Alien Resurrection
Alien Covenant
Alien 3
Prometheus
It's hard to put those 3 at the button of the list because the themes of religion, creation and nihilism are really presented well.
But god damn are the top 3 entertaining movies.
1. Alien. 10/10 Still the sci-fi horror masterpiece that will never be topped, ever.
2. Aliens. 10/10 Still the sci-fi action masterpiece that will never be topped, ever.
3. Alien 3/Alien: Covenant. Both share Gothic horror sensibilities and are totally bleak, but I rate Covenant a tad higher for its thematic ambitions, back and mouth bursters and Fassbender's erotic dual performance. 8/10 - 8/10
4. Prometheus. 7/10 Visually stunning. Seriously, it's one of the best looking films ever made. Unfortunately the screenplay and editing let it down, however, Fassbender is terrific and it expands the universe. Some great scenes and set pieces.
5. Resurrection. 6/10 Fun and pulpy, weirdly erotic at times and visually stylish. The French influence is heavy throughout. Weaver puts in a solid and interesting performance but it's not a film to be taken seriously.
1. Aliens 10/10
2. Alien 9/10
3. Alien: Covenant 7.5/10
4. Alien: Resurrection 7/10
5. Prometheus 6/10
6. AVP: Alien vs Predator 6/10
7. Alien 3 5/10
8. AVP-R: Aliens vs Predator-Requiem 0.5/10
And the winner is....
ALIENS!
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ALIENS!
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ALIENS!
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Wow, I never saw that coming! ;D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 08, 2019, 02:29:28 PM
And the winner is....
ALIENS!
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ALIENS!
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ALIENS!
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Aliens fans unite!
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It's funny that there is some votes (:o) for Resurrection and Prometheus and Covenant. No doubts you can like them, but considering them as best? I don't know :-\
I voted for 3. I do not consider it the "best," but I enjoy watching it the most.
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 25, 2019, 09:59:55 PM
It's funny that there is some votes (:o) for Resurrection and Prometheus and Covenant. No doubts you can like them, but considering them as best? I don't know :-\
Different strokes for different folks.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2019, 08:57:14 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 25, 2019, 09:59:55 PM
It's funny that there is some votes (:o) for Resurrection and Prometheus and Covenant. No doubts you can like them, but considering them as best? I don't know :-\
Different strokes for different folks.
Save us from these blasphemers! ;)
Wait, we're saying folks have to have strokes to pick those movies? That's not nice...
Sigh.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2019, 09:02:17 AM
Sigh.
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You've been working for the company all along.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2019, 09:02:17 AM
Sigh.
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I expected that.
Did you expect that?
Come on, Voodoo, let's go back to Recess.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2019, 09:02:18 AM
Sigh.
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Edward Buck <3
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 27, 2019, 09:02:17 AM
Sigh.
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The Special Hell
Alien
Alien 3
Aliens
Alien Covenant
Prometheus
[Resurrection exiled to non-canon live action Dark Horse comic alongside AVP1&2]
ALIEN
Alien Covenant
Prometheus
Alien 3
Aliens
Good taste I_A.
Greater taste: ;D
Aliens
Alien
Alien 3
Prometheus
Alien Covenant
Alien Resurrection
No. :-[
No? Okay, I'll fix it:
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 06, 2019, 02:30:00 PM
The Greatest taste: ;D
Aliens
Alien
Alien 3
Prometheus
Alien Covenant
Alien Resurrection
Aliens appeals to more demographics, especially the younger viewers who crave action and instant gratification.
That's why I loved it as a kid, but not so much now. As an alien film, it's far more bloated, humorous, and loud than necessary. It definitely feels more like a movie.
But that's the Cameron way. He mass markets.
Alien 1 & 3 will always feel more pure of soul.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 06, 2019, 03:05:21 PM
Aliens appeals to more demographics, especially the younger viewers who crave action and instant gratification.
That's why I loved it as a kid, but not so much now. As an alien film, it's far more bloated, humorous, and loud than necessary. It definitely feels more like a movie.
But that's the Cameron way. He mass markets.
Alien 1 & 3 will always feel more pure of soul.
I believe you underestimate its audience, and the millions of intelligent, sophisticated adults who do not crave action and instant gratification, enjoy both Alien and Aliens, but feel Aliens is the better crafted film.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 06, 2019, 03:05:21 PM
Aliens appeals to more demographics, especially the younger viewers who crave action and instant gratification.
Instant gratification? In the Special Edition it takes about 70 minutes before you even see an Alien (and action).
ALIEN is my favorite but I can easily see why some prefer ALIENS over it. Both are great movies, I only took a few points out of ALIENS because as a fan of the original creature I disliked somethings that were done in the second movie.
Quote from: P-Rock on Mar 06, 2019, 03:28:19 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 06, 2019, 03:05:21 PM
Aliens appeals to more demographics, especially the younger viewers who crave action and instant gratification.
Instant gratification? In the Special Edition it takes about 70 minutes before you even see an Alien (and action).
Apc's, dropships, guns, powerloaders, clearing the buildings, etc.
There was plenty of cool stuff to see before a shot was fired. That's what appealed to me about it when I was a kid. Combat isn't the only thing. Every young person I've seen it with prefers the film for those reasons. There's more action and cool stuff. But I don't agree that's what an alien film should be. That's just the Cameron marketing strategy.
I still like aliens, but narratively, it was a sellout.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 06, 2019, 03:35:39 PM
Quote from: P-Rock on Mar 06, 2019, 03:28:19 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 06, 2019, 03:05:21 PM
Aliens appeals to more demographics, especially the younger viewers who crave action and instant gratification.
Instant gratification? In the Special Edition it takes about 70 minutes before you even see an Alien (and action).
Apc's, dropships, guns, powerloaders, clearing the buildings, etc.
There was plenty of cool stuff to see before a shot was fired. That's what appealed to me about it when I was a kid. Combat isn't the only thing. Every young person I've seen it with prefers the film for those reasons. There's more action and cool stuff. But I don't agree that's what an alien film should be. That's just the Cameron marketing strategy.
Just because it appealed to you as a kid doesn't mean it's made for kids.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 06, 2019, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 06, 2019, 03:05:21 PM
Aliens appeals to more demographics, especially the younger viewers who crave action and instant gratification.
That's why I loved it as a kid, but not so much now. As an alien film, it's far more bloated, humorous, and loud than necessary. It definitely feels more like a movie.
But that's the Cameron way. He mass markets.
Alien 1 & 3 will always feel more pure of soul.
I believe you underestimate its audience, and the millions of intelligent, sophisticated adults who do not crave action and instant gratification, enjoy both Alien and Aliens, but feel Aliens is the better crafted film.
Young is what, 17-25 for a fan?
I'm not into action as a genre. I don't understand superhero movies and I think most action movies nowadays are action for the sake of action. No memorable characters, recycled plots with no interesting twists.
I'm more into the ensemble cast. I like seeing how people interact with each other, no matter the occupation or plot or whatnot. I was introduced to that through
The Shawshank Redemption and found
Aliens to have that similar feel. It's weird that it appeals to me because I'm very antisocial; I'm uncomfortable in large groups of people, and I prefer to work on my own. Maybe it's because I subconsciously want a good-sized group of people to interact with regularly--who knows. There's something fairly unique about each character that translates to depth and a history of some sort, and
Bug Hunt and A:CM didn't do these guys justice. And personally, I don't like being thought of as not having good taste in horror or not "appreciating" the original just because I prefer
Aliens. That's why I'm here, after all.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 06, 2019, 03:35:39 PM
But I don't agree that's what an alien film should be.
QuoteI still like aliens, but narratively, it was a sellout.
Now while I disagree, these criticisms I can at least understand as differences in personal taste.
But on it's own, Aliens is an excellently crafted film even more so than Alien in my opinion, and it has nothing to do with Apcs, dropships and powerloaders.
For instance, I find the final act of Alien on the weaker side, but what came before it sooo makes up for it. But I don't experience that same weakness anywhere with Aliens. Regardless, I love both of them.
Action films don't trump Horror, Drama, Suspense or any other genre for me. I look at every film individually, and judge it on its own merits. :)
Quote from: P-Rock on Mar 06, 2019, 03:40:46 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 06, 2019, 03:35:39 PM
Quote from: P-Rock on Mar 06, 2019, 03:28:19 PM
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 06, 2019, 03:05:21 PM
Aliens appeals to more demographics, especially the younger viewers who crave action and instant gratification.
Instant gratification? In the Special Edition it takes about 70 minutes before you even see an Alien (and action).
Apc's, dropships, guns, powerloaders, clearing the buildings, etc.
There was plenty of cool stuff to see before a shot was fired. That's what appealed to me about it when I was a kid. Combat isn't the only thing. Every young person I've seen it with prefers the film for those reasons. There's more action and cool stuff. But I don't agree that's what an alien film should be. That's just the Cameron marketing strategy.
Just because it appealed to you as a kid doesn't mean it's made for kids.
Never said it was. I said it appealed to more demographics than the others. Which is Cameron's way. Look at what he did to titanic.
Aliens took a gothic horror narrative and turned it into halo. It's cool as hell, but I don't think it ever needs to go there again.
Appealing to more demographics isn't a bad thing Huggsy. And your statement of Aliens appealing to younger viewers who crave action and instant gratification is assuredly true.
I just think following it up with that's why you loved it as a kid, but not so much now, roughly equates maturity to prefering Alien (over Aliens). Maybe that's an unfair assessment, but it still stirs the bee hive! :laugh:
And a great film being also appealing to people who crave action and instant gratification doesn't change that it's a great film.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 02, 2018, 05:58:02 PM
1. A L I E N
2. ALIENS = ALIEN³
3. Blade Runner = BR2049
4. Peter Weyland TED-Talk = Prologue: Incubation
5. Alien ̶C̶o̶v̶e̶n̶a̶n̶t̶ Paradise Lost
6. Alien Resurrection
7. Prometheus
^ ;D
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 06, 2019, 05:10:55 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 02, 2018, 05:58:02 PM
1. A L I E N
2. ALIENS = ALIEN³
3. Blade Runner = BR2049
4. Peter Weyland TED-Talk = Prologue: Incubation
5. Alien ̶C̶o̶v̶e̶n̶a̶n̶t̶ Paradise Lost
6. Alien Resurrection
7. Prometheus
^ ;D
5.
Prometheus 6.
Alien: Covenant 7.
Alien: Resurrection. ;D
Quote from: Elmazalman on Mar 06, 2019, 08:53:49 PM
5. Prometheus 6. Alien: Covenant 7. Alien: Resurrection. ;D
It's not important how you start but rather how you finish.
And you my friend...
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;D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 06, 2019, 03:13:27 PM
I believe you underestimate its audience, and the millions of intelligent, sophisticated adults who do not crave action and instant gratification, enjoy both Alien and Aliens, but feel Aliens is the better crafted film.
It's not. Alien is far better crafted and originated everything visual that Aliens plunders to lesser effect.
And if you consider the final act of Alien weak, I could point out that it is basically rehashed again beat for beat in Aliens.
Quote from: Gash on Mar 07, 2019, 01:19:09 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 06, 2019, 03:13:27 PM
I believe you underestimate its audience, and the millions of intelligent, sophisticated adults who do not crave action and instant gratification, enjoy both Alien and Aliens, but feel Aliens is the better crafted film.
It's not. Alien is far better crafted and originated everything visual that Aliens plunders to lesser effect.
And if you consider the final act of Alien weak, I could point out that it is basically rehashed again beat for beat in Aliens.
I get you say it's not, respect your opinion it's not, but it's really not unequivocal one way or another. Just look at the poll. I know we won't change each other's mind, either. :)
And I wouldn't say Aliens followed Alien's ending beat for beat because that would be ignoring plenty of terrific beats, but yes, Aliens does have the last heroine standing and the thought-to-be-dead stowaway and an airlock jettison, just like Alien. But a female last survivor, and the villian who the audience thinks to be dead but isn't, is among familiar horror tropes, and were not introduced by Alien, and have been done before Alien, and Aliens, and after, and will likely continue beyond our days.
So to me, Aliens does more with those common horror tropes than Alien, and therefore the final act is that much better, that much more interesting and that much better paced because of it.
This is just my opinion of course. We're the winner regardless of which film you pick.. :)
Aliens is excellent.
I believe Aliens success and pervasiveness throughout popular culture, overshadows objective evaluation though.
Alien's anti-capitalist but Aliens' is ambiguous. The Company isn't evil/apathetic, Carter Burke is.
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 06, 2019, 03:05:21 PM
Aliens appeals to more demographics, especially the younger viewers who crave action and instant gratification.
That's why I loved it as a kid, but not so much now.
...
Huggsy, hmmm... I see. And how long has it been since the change of mind? No - wait! Don't tell me, since November, right? Around the time of Stan Lee's death?
Yep, they got to you alright. They got to you, and forced you to renounce all that is holy in the world. Them bastards!
And who is them? Why, Bill Maher of course and
them others...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UgInmHHO0m4
TC
Now someone else is calling him "Huggsy".
My scheme is working exactly as planned.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 08, 2019, 02:06:38 PM
Now someone else is calling him "Huggsy".
My scheme is working exactly as planned.
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Your oddly furless hands don't frighten me.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 07, 2019, 09:10:52 AMAlien's anti-capitalist but Aliens' is ambiguous. The Company isn't evil/apathetic, Carter Burke is.
Burke
is the company and all it stands for - he's basically their avatar, and he's far worse than Ash in the first film because he's a human who decides to do what he does rather than being a preprogrammed android fulfilling a secret mission.
Not to take anything away from Ash but I always found that scary about Burke - he
chooses to put profit over lives.
This also reminds me why I strongly dislike the half-assed 'Bishop put the egg on the Sulaco' theory as he's meant to be the anti-Ash, in Aliens' story Burke fulfills that sinister corporate role instead.
Aliens was my shit in HS. I was obsessed with the world and lore of the movie. But over time I have found that the characters and story border on caricature. I don't know if it is because I've seen it one million times or the fact that it is basically the modern equivalent of an ancient epic where the formula has been ripped off so many times that I see it everywhere and it actually tarnishes the movie a little.
Over time I've come to appreciate Alien as the best in the franchises with both Aliens and Alien 3 being an equal somewhat farther down 2nd.
Sometimes I wish the lore had followed the original movie more closely.
Aliens now feels like something that should've been like sequel number 4 or 5 to me.
I still prefer all of the original trilogy to Prometheus or Covenant and am not fond of the new direction the series is going.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 09, 2019, 05:07:15 AMAliens now feels like something that should've been like sequel number 4 or 5 to me.
It could be if you include Out of the Shadows and Isolation in your canon.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 09, 2019, 05:07:15 AM
Aliens was my shit in HS. I was obsessed with the world and lore of the movie. But over time I have found that the characters and story border on caricature. I don't know if it is because I've seen it one million times or the fact that it is basically the modern equivalent of an ancient epic where the formula has been ripped off so many times that I see it everywhere and it actually tarnishes the movie a little.
Over time I've come to appreciate Alien as the best in the franchises with both Aliens and Alien 3 being an equal somewhat farther down 2nd.
Sometimes I wish the lore had followed the original movie more closely.
Aliens now feels like something that should've been like sequel number 4 or 5 to me.
I still prefer all of the original trilogy to Prometheus or Covenant and am not fond of the new direction the series is going.
Agreed. I was obsessed with it back then too. It was just a badass action movie featuring my favorite creature. Probably saw it 500 or 600 times when I was a kid. But over time it just seemed too cliche and the original film severely began to grow on me.
Alien: Resurrection of course.
We needed a Frenchman to show these Limeys and Yanks how to do a real Alien movie. That's why Europe rules.
Spoiler
Just joking, although I genuinely like A:R
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 09, 2019, 08:34:19 AM
Agreed. I was obsessed with it back then too. It was just a badass action movie featuring my favorite creature. Probably saw it 500 or 600 times when I was a kid. But over time it just seemed too cliche and the original film severely began to grow on me.
But you told me you only can count to ten. Twenty with your shoes off. So how'd you count to 600?
Recess you!
Quote from: P-Rock on Mar 09, 2019, 04:42:49 PM
Alien: Resurrection of course.
We needed a Frenchman to show these Limeys and Yanks how to do a real Alien movie. That's why Europe rules.
Spoiler
Just joking, although I genuinely like A:R
I don't care for Alien Res as an alien movie BUT as a standalone it is watchable.
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 09, 2019, 06:45:44 PM
Quote from: P-Rock on Mar 09, 2019, 04:42:49 PM
Alien: Resurrection of course.
We needed a Frenchman to show these Limeys and Yanks how to do a real Alien movie. That's why Europe rules.
Spoiler
Just joking, although I genuinely like A:R
I don't care for Alien Res as an alien movie BUT as a standalone it is watchable.
Res as a sequel is what Hot Shots Part Deux is to Rambo: First Blood
That is about as apt description of how I feel about it as has ever been sent through the digi-space.
Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on Mar 09, 2019, 09:14:06 PM
Res as a sequel is what Hot Shots Part Deux is to Rambo: First Blood
:laugh:
Truth lol.
Boy,
That poll really drops off after Alien 3.
As does the quality.
Aliens
Alien 3
Alien
Alien R
Prometheus
AC
I kinda rate the sequel's separately for some reason.
A L I E N
Alien/Aliens
Alien: Resurrection/Alien 3
Alien: Covenant/Prometheus
Alien
Aliens
Alien Covenant / Alien 3
Prometheus
Alien Resurrection
Quote from: Kimarhi on Mar 09, 2019, 05:07:15 AM
Aliens was my shit in HS. I was obsessed with the world and lore of the movie. But over time I have found that the characters and story border on caricature. I don't know if it is because I've seen it one million times or the fact that it is basically the modern equivalent of an ancient epic where the formula has been ripped off so many times that I see it everywhere and it actually tarnishes the movie a little.
Over time I've come to appreciate Alien as the best in the franchises with both Aliens and Alien 3 being an equal somewhat farther down 2nd.
Sometimes I wish the lore had followed the original movie more closely.
Aliens now feels like something that should've been like sequel number 4 or 5 to me.
I still prefer all of the original trilogy to Prometheus or Covenant and am not fond of the new direction the series is going.
Totally agreed with the bolded parts.
Agreed again.
Same.
I disagree.
And so does 223 more voters!
ALIENS is VICTORIOUS!!!
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ALIENS!
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ALIENS!
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ALLLLLLIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEENNNNNNNZZZZZZ!!!
Anyone utilising a Big Bang Theory gif loses by default. And the question is favourite, best isn't the question.
Quote from: The Old One on May 06, 2019, 05:26:20 PM
Anyone utilising a Big Bang Theory gif loses by default. And the question is favourite, best isn't the question.
Yeah I voted for 3. If the question was "best", I'd vote Alien.
Quote from: The Old One on May 06, 2019, 05:26:20 PM
Anyone utilising a Big Bang Theory gif loses by default. And the question is favourite, best isn't the question.
You spelled favorite wrong.
Quote from: David's Creation on May 06, 2019, 06:09:59 PM
Yeah I voted for 3. If the question was "best", I'd vote Voodoo Magic.
100% agree with this.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 06, 2019, 06:22:54 PM
Quote from: The Old One on May 06, 2019, 05:26:20 PM
Anyone utilising a Big Bang Theory gif loses by default. And the question is favourite, best isn't the question.
You spelled favorite wrong.
She's right, both on anti-Chuck-Lorre principle and on spelling things like favourite with a U. American "English" is pig-disgusting.
Thank you. ^_^
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 06, 2019, 07:47:17 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 06, 2019, 06:22:54 PM
Quote from: The Old One on May 06, 2019, 05:26:20 PM
Anyone utilising a Big Bang Theory gif loses by default. And the question is favourite, best isn't the question.
You spelled favorite wrong.
She's right, both on anti-Chuck-Lorre principle and on spelling things like favourite with a U. American "English" is pig-disgusting.
Pig-disgusting? How insulting and morounic!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 06, 2019, 08:10:49 PM
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Quote from: The Old One on May 06, 2019, 05:26:20 PM
Anyone utilising a Big Bang Theory gif loses by default. And the question is favourite, best isn't the question.
You spelled favorite wrong.
She's right, both on anti-Chuck-Lorre principle and on spelling things like favourite with a U. American "English" is pig-disgusting.
Pig-disgusting? How insulting and morounic!
It'd be "mouronic" you don't even understand what you're upset about.
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Quote from: The Old One on May 06, 2019, 05:26:20 PM
Anyone utilising a Big Bang Theory gif loses by default. And the question is favourite, best isn't the question.
You spelled favorite wrong.
She's right, both on anti-Chuck-Lorre principle and on spelling things like favourite with a U. American "English" is pig-disgusting.
Pig-disgusting? How insulting and morounic!
It'd be "mouronic" you don't even understand what you're upset about.
It be mourounic if you think I'm actually upset! ;D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 06, 2019, 08:24:49 PM
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 06, 2019, 08:10:49 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 06, 2019, 07:47:17 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 06, 2019, 06:22:54 PM
Quote from: The Old One on May 06, 2019, 05:26:20 PM
Anyone utilising a Big Bang Theory gif loses by default. And the question is favourite, best isn't the question.
You spelled favorite wrong.
She's right, both on anti-Chuck-Lorre principle and on spelling things like favourite with a U. American "English" is pig-disgusting.
Pig-disgusting? How insulting and morounic!
It'd be "mouronic" you don't even understand what you're upset about.
It be mourounic if you think I'm actually upset! ;D
(https://i.gifer.com/74LH.gif)
Those bloody Yanks besmirching the Queen's English!!! Break out the tea bags, we attack at dawn! TALLY HO!!!
It's gotten under your skin on some level since I'm 99% sure this isn't the first time I've seen you bring it up.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 06, 2019, 08:33:07 PM
It's gotten under your skin on some level since I'm 99% sure this isn't the first time I've seen you bring it up.
Brother man. Lol. It's been a running joke. Its all in fun. Of course Old One didn't spell it wrong. Favorite. Color. I say people are mispelling it all the time! ;D
Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on May 06, 2019, 08:30:11 PM
Those bloody Yanks besmirching the Queen's English!!! Break out the tea bags, we attack at dawn! TALLY HO!!!
:laugh:
Aren't jokes supposed to be funny rather than tiresome?
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 06, 2019, 08:43:27 PM
Aren't jokes supposed to be funny rather than tiresome?
Now THAT was funny! :) I think I'm the one who got under your skin somehow? We should move on!
Back on topic:
Regardless that Aliens is top dog for me, Alien is such a close second. Both are just wonderful viewing experiences for me.
As I've said before, (Maybe?)
I actually enjoy;
(https://i.imgur.com/zOTMdbR.gif) above the rest, but recognise;
(https://i.imgur.com/HstRcd7.gif) & (https://i.imgur.com/oKepGYg.gif)
Are better films.
Basking in the delicious bickering!!!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/CiTLZWskt7Fu/200.gif)
As different tonally as they are (one is hide and seek, the other tag you're it) Alien and Aliens have always felt like two sides to the same coin to me, they compare and contrast really well, and a lot of Aliens feels like a natural extrapolation from Alien. They both present a more or less indifferent universe where the characters just happen to stumble upon a particularly nasty corner of space, and are able to take charge and survive if they're lucky/smart enough.
3 is different in that right from the start it's everything is awful and we're all f**ked - the universe is trying to put you down no matter what. People often say it's more in line with Scott's film, perhaps on a surface level detail it is, but I can't shake off its overwhelmingly/obnoxiously dreary tone it never quit earned. (That's not to say I don't like Ripley's final sacrifice and all that, but I would never say the film is more than the sum of its parts).
And then you have Res which is like Aliens on absinthe.
I'd say it is absolutely more than the sum of it's parts, PsyKore nailed it, dreary yes but it's both about life and death, it engenders new beginnings.
I believe all of them are quite distinct for good or ill, it's something I really appreciate about the franchise. It's not homogeneous, although that's resulted in a fanbase where it seems no one completely agrees upon what the franchise ought to be.
Although I largely agree with the absinthe comment. :D
Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on May 08, 2019, 05:45:14 PM
Basking in the delicious bickering!!!
https://media.giphy.com/media/CiTLZWskt7Fu/200.gif
That Gif makes me chuckle
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Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on May 08, 2019, 05:45:14 PM
Basking in the delicious bickering!!!
https://media.giphy.com/media/CiTLZWskt7Fu/200.gif
That Gif makes me chuckle
The Lord Cage giveth
Where's Alien 2: On Earth???
Quote from: P-Rock on May 15, 2019, 09:32:28 PM
Where's Alien 2: On Earth???
Right next to
Aliens³.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 15, 2019, 09:35:16 PM
Quote from: P-Rock on May 15, 2019, 09:32:28 PM
Where's Alien 2: On Earth???
Right next to Aliens³.
It's an outrage that Alienses: Requisite hasn't been included
Quote from: Gilfryd on May 11, 2019, 06:39:55 PM
3 is different in that right from the start it's everything is awful and we're all f**ked - the universe is trying to put you down no matter what. People often say it's more in line with Scott's film, perhaps on a surface level detail it is, but I can't shake off its overwhelmingly/obnoxiously dreary tone it never quit earned.
I think what bothers me about Alien³ the most is how it's a thematic departure from the previous. They are about survival, whereas 3 is about nihilism. Even stylistically, 3 has this steampunk design that I feel is out of place compared to the cyberpunk feel of the first two, although this is a composite of David Twohy and Vincent Ward's ideas. Frankly it's amazing that the producers were even able to slap together a coherent script, and Fincher direct a competent movie out of the rushed mess they had.
It didn't earn it, true, it just gave you it and let you know this is how it is now and you've gotta deal with it.
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Quote from: Gilfryd on May 11, 2019, 06:39:55 PM
3 is different in that right from the start it's everything is awful and we're all f**ked - the universe is trying to put you down no matter what. People often say it's more in line with Scott's film, perhaps on a surface level detail it is, but I can't shake off its overwhelmingly/obnoxiously dreary tone it never quit earned.
I think what bothers me about Alien³ the most is how it's a thematic departure from the previous. They are about survival, whereas 3 is about nihilism. Even stylistically, 3 has this steampunk design that I feel is out of place compared to the cyberpunk feel of the first two, although this is a composite of David Twohy and Vincent Ward's ideas. Frankly it's amazing that the producers were even able to slap together a coherent script, and Fincher direct a competent movie out of the rushed mess they had.
It's probably a major factor in Fincher being one of the most accomplished director's to date. His first full feature film was an absolute nightmare, and yet somehow he still managed to deliver what I consider to be a flawed masterpiece.
Losing Hicks and Newt was a gut punch, the film for the most part is definitely nihilistic, Ripley reduced to a shell of her past self, stranded on a prison planet filled with murderers and rapists, having to come to terms with losing yet another 'family' at the hands of both the Company and the alien. To make matters worse she learns that she is carrying a queen inside her. She's facing certain death, but in the end she decides to go out on her own terms, killing what we assume is the last surviving xeno and denying the company its prize, even after human Bishop tries to sell her the happy ending. Even the prisoners redeem themselves in some way, giving up their own lives in an effort to destroy the alien. Alien 3 ends on a triumphant note to some degree, the alien destroyed, Ripley finds peace and most of all the main villains of the series, the Company fail in their efforts to secure a specimen.
My only problem with the Hicks, Ripley, Newt family unit in future sequels is that there are no stakes, no way would Cameron have the balls to break them up by killing one or two of them off, they would make a home on earth for a while and then for 'reasons' somehow get dragged back into the fray and we'd just get a bigger version of Aliens. I'm sure it would have been great, but at the same time it would have been too safe. That's my opinion of course.
Yeah figuratively I'd like to see James Cameron/Neill Blomkamp-
put their money where their mouth is, and do something as interesting as David Fincher.
Until then, I'll wait.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/oN9mfgwTlImU8/giphy.gif)
If it was 1986 Cameron writing and Blomkamp just directing it could be interesting.
But I would have rather had the Cameron/Ridley teamup that was proposed way back when.
I think both ships have sailed at this point though.
Neill Blomkamp's not a great Director, good even, but a really bad script creator.
Nowadays I cannot decide between 3 and Covenant. They both flawed, I know, but they resonate with me the most .
Covenant certainly responates with me.
And there Aliens is....
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xUPJPwbLqlBA2vw6UE/giphy.gif)
Walking on air she is...
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Fairest of the fair Aliens is...
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Miss AvPGalaxy...
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xZ8P1HxG62wH3W/giphy.gif)
Can I die now?
Thank you.
"Anytime"
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 10, 2019, 12:57:40 AM
And there Aliens is....
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xUPJPwbLqlBA2vw6UE/giphy.gif)
Walking on air she is...
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohzAaW9uhCO4HNZVm/giphy.gif)
Fairest of the fair Aliens is...
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Miss AvPGalaxy...
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xZ8P1HxG62wH3W/giphy.gif)
God save the Queen.
(https://i.imgur.com/tU3HrBk.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/sJ9M0I8.jpg)
But I voted for Alien 8)
Ridley Scott was moved by your decision.
I have incontrovertible proof of it.
Spoiler
See? MOVED.
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For the 8655th time:
Alien
Aliens
Alien³
(Un)fortunately the movies matches school grades:
A Alien (despite 'ten little Indians in the horror house')
B Aliens (little girl/daughter theme a little tagged on)
C Alien³ (like 'Alien' but who-cares-about-the-characters)
D Alien Res. (too comical)
E Prometheus (nice thoughts but too religious/spiritual, demystifying)
F Alien: Covenent (just F(ailed)
Nevertheless I'll watch the next chapter. I hope no Nexus7, 8, 9 Replicants will support Walter ..
I never saw Prometheus as being overly religious or spiritual. Religion is alluded to in a few scenes with Shaw but that's just her own personal beliefs and it's there and gone relatively quick. The whole premise of the film is that we evolved thanks to space fudd mustard.
That sounds more biological than spiritual.
Huggs: 1 Allan Yelpir: 0
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 22, 2019, 10:59:27 PM
I never saw Prometheus as being overly religious or spiritual. Religion is alluded to in a few scenes with Shaw but that's just her own personal beliefs and it's there and gone relatively quick.
Saying it's "alluded" to with Shaw is grossly understating it. It's the driving force of her character and she ends the film with her faith intact despite everything she's encountered. Religion and spirituality are huge parts of
Prometheus.
A L I E N
Alien > Aliens > Alien³ SE > Covenant > Resurrection > Prometheus
God Tier:
Alien (TC)
Aliens (TC)
Good Tier:
Prometheus
Covenant
Alien 3 (TC)
Novelty Tier:
Alien Resurrection
All DC/AC
POWER GAP
Shit Tier:
AvPR
AvP
Sometimes I just think about the text of Aliens though and I'm like "ew" -hence another reason to prefer the original Alien.
My list would be:
Aliens
Alien
Prometheus
Alien 3
Alien: Ressurection
Alien Covenant
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Oct 24, 2019, 10:44:03 AM
Sometimes I just think about the text of Aliens though and I'm like "ew" -hence another reason to prefer the original Alien.
Do you mean text with a prefix or literally the font?
Prometheus such a pity. Beautiful looking movie with some great imagery, and strong performances.
Reduced to meh by superfluous space-seeding nonsense, eye-wateringly stupid characters (the scientists), and that it's glaringly obvious that Scott had no f**king clue where he was going with any of it
Yeah, beautiful and completely vapid.
Quote from: Ronoc on Nov 15, 2019, 08:57:22 AM
Prometheus such a pity. Beautiful looking movie with some great imagery, and strong performances.
Reduced to meh by superfluous space-seeding nonsense, eye-wateringly stupid characters (the scientists), and that it's glaringly obvious that Scott had no f**king clue where he was going with any of it
Time to petition Disnox for a retcon of Ridley's retcon? ;D
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kkc4_9YIqI0/hqdefault.jpg)
No, because even as bad as it is, it's good in comparison to that. I have spoken.
Charles Bishop Weyland > Peter Weyland
Peter Weyland TED Talk > Prometheus > AVP
Peter Weyland TED Talk was just okay to me. But alas, either way, just a deleted scene. So to me...
Charles Bishop Weyland > Peter Weyland
Lance Henriksen > Guy Pearce
However, with that said...
Prometheus > AVP
The Peter Weyland TED Talk is not a deleted scene, it's a viral, a mini-film. And no, Charles Bishop Weyland felt clichéd to no fault of Lance Henrikson. Peter Weyland/Guy Pearce in that YouTube "film" set the internet on fire in anticipation for Prometheus. But not to worry, Lance Henrikson will always have a place as a much superior character to Guy Pearce's Peter Weyland, as Bishop and Michael Bishop in Aliens and Alien³ respectively.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 16, 2019, 04:10:41 PM
The Peter Weyland TED Talk is not a deleted scene, it's a viral, a mini-film.
While I never read any of the Prometheus script drafts, I always assumed that was originally intended to be included in the beginning part of the film. Is my assumption incorrect?
Yes, it is.
No draft ever contained it as part of the film.
Not at all- Peter Weyland all day everyday, the TED Talk and Covenant's Prologue elevated him leagues above Charles Bishop Weyland, nothing of value was lost when AVP was rendered non-canon. Prometheus gave us a decent soundtrack, beautiful imagery, an excellent cast, excellent special effect work, excellent set design and a truly superb documentary. Even if the film isn't nearly as good as the parts that created it.
AVP has none of the above.
Are you OK FI ? Never saw you been so nice about good old Promy .
Charles Weyland is better 'cause he's more likable goddamit. Peter Weyland was just a dick - both in Promy and Covenant .
Yeah, but Peter Weyland's a more interesting character. The other guy's got nothing to him, it's all surface.
Prommie has its problems... but worse than AVP?
(https://s5.gifyu.com/images/NotQuiteDavid.gif)
:P
Yeah, I certainly thought so.
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 16, 2019, 07:49:16 PM
Charles Weyland is better 'cause he's more likable goddamit. Peter Weyland was just a dick - both in Promy and Covenant .
(https://media.tenor.com/images/5a88766b5c98bfb39e269b447d7e7dd5/tenor.gif)
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 16, 2019, 04:18:03 PM
Yes, it is.
No draft ever contained it as part of the film.
Yeah, I vaguely remembered some sort of before or after credit connection or inclusion or something, but then again I was pretty gintastic back in 2012. :D
Only one internet edit I can think of includes it, and a more likeable character doesn't necessarily mean a superior one. And Peter Weyland isn't more likeable, certainly but it is a superior character.
Egomaniac asshole Weyland > Friendly old man Weyland
Egomaniac Peter Weyland who actually accomplishes real miracles such as stopping global warming, curing most cancers and inventing A.I.
I agree. Charles Bishop Weyland may be more likeable (actually, he seems like a good man who don't wanted to be forgotten) but, and despite being an asshole, Peter Weyland is a bit more complicated. I'd say his personality can deliver a more interesting story. Unfortunately, his Gold Member-like portrait didn't do any favor to the character. He was almost wasted on Prometheus in my opinion.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 17, 2019, 12:55:32 AM
Egomaniac Peter Weyland who actually accomplishes real miracles such as stopping global warming, curing most cancers and inventing A.I.
Maybe he just wanted to live forever to continue helping people :laugh:
(https://i.imgur.com/cShe3q8.jpg)
But his vision of immortality is narcissistic. Perhaps for Engineers, immortality is creating lifeforms with their DNA. The Genetic information (which triggers civilization and everything) that endures for eons in the universe.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 17, 2019, 01:52:03 AM
Unfortunately, his Gold Member-like portrait didn't do any favor to the character. He was almost wasted on Prometheus in my opinion.
This 100 times over.
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Honestly, to me, it has nothing to do with likeability or nature of character. It is simply the awful old man makeup on Guy Pearce, only matched by an equally awful old man acting. There was no geniune believability in his appearance nor his performance.
Just awful.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/alienanthology/images/0/0e/Peter_Weyland.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121006110012)
So it will forever be, to me, in relation to AVP and Prometheus...
Charles Bishop Weyland > Peter Weyland
Lance Henriksen > Guy Pearce
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 17, 2019, 02:45:27 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 17, 2019, 01:52:03 AM
Unfortunately, his Gold Member-like portrait didn't do any favor to the character. He was almost wasted on Prometheus in my opinion.
This 100 times over.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/a65748a5d3b0f6da8e96eccb4ef00662/tenor.gif?itemid=7399683
Honestly, to me, it has nothing to do with likeability or nature of character. It is simply the awful old man makeup on Guy Pearce, only matched by an equally awful old man acting. There was no geniune believability in his appearance nor his performance.
Just awful.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/alienanthology/images/0/0e/Peter_Weyland.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121006110012
So it will forever be, to me, in relation to AVP and Prometheus...
Charles Bishop Weyland > Peter Weyland
Lance Henriksen > Guy Pearce
Fair enough. You are right, and beyond any potential, what matters is what is on the screen. The Ted Talk is unfortunately not part of the movie. However, I'd say Weyland at the white room with David, at the beginning of Covenant, was so much better. I may be overreacting, but I got the impression that there was whole another movie there :laugh: perhaps something along the lines of Westworld or even Blade Runner. But that's just me, anyway ;D
That being said, I agree. In my way but I agree :)
Charles Bishop Weyland > Peter Weyland (Prometheus)
Lance Henriksen > Guy Pearce (Prometheus)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 17, 2019, 03:24:21 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 17, 2019, 02:45:27 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 17, 2019, 01:52:03 AM
Unfortunately, his Gold Member-like portrait didn't do any favor to the character. He was almost wasted on Prometheus in my opinion.
This 100 times over.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/a65748a5d3b0f6da8e96eccb4ef00662/tenor.gif?itemid=7399683
Honestly, to me, it has nothing to do with likeability or nature of character. It is simply the awful old man makeup on Guy Pearce, only matched by an equally awful old man acting. There was no geniune believability in his appearance nor his performance.
Just awful.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/alienanthology/images/0/0e/Peter_Weyland.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121006110012
So it will forever be, to me, in relation to AVP and Prometheus...
Charles Bishop Weyland > Peter Weyland
Lance Henriksen > Guy Pearce
Fair enough. You are right, and beyond any potential, what matters is what is on the screen. The Ted Talk is unfortunately not part of the movie. However, I'd say Weyland at the white room with David, at the beginning of Covenant, was so much better. I may be overreacting, but I got the impression that there was whole another movie there :laugh: perhaps something along the lines of Westworld or even Blade Runner. But that's just me, anyway ;D
I dont know how they could market such a thing, but a whole movie dedicated to the life of Weyland I think would really be quite fascinating.
QuoteThat being said, I agree. In my way but I agree :)
Charles Bishop Weyland > Peter Weyland (Prometheus)
Lance Henriksen > Guy Pearce (Prometheus)
Yep, strictly within AvP and Prometheus. :)
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 17, 2019, 12:55:32 AM
Egomaniac Peter Weyland who actually accomplishes real miracles such as stopping global warming, curing most cancers and inventing A.I.
Stopping global warming ? Curing cancers ? Where's all of that in Prometheus ? Really, in the movie he was just a dick wanting to live longer - not for humanity but just for himself .
I agree that he's better in Covenant's prologue but only because there's none of that ugly make-up on him. Still, he's a dick. "Bring me that tea, David" - what a asshole ! He invented artificial human but treats him as servant at best .
And yeah, for me more likable character = better one .
No, that's strictly incorrect.
Interesting > Likeable, that's why Anton Chigurh is the best character in No Country For Old Men. And we started the conversation talking about his character in general, not from anything in particular- that's all media containing the character.
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 19, 2019, 09:20:54 PM
And yeah, for me more likable character = better one .
Excuse me but what the f**k?
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 19, 2019, 09:20:54 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 17, 2019, 12:55:32 AM
Egomaniac Peter Weyland who actually accomplishes real miracles such as stopping global warming, curing most cancers and inventing A.I.
Stopping global warming ? Curing cancers ? Where's all of that in Prometheus ? Really, in the movie he was just a dick wanting to live longer - not for humanity but just for himself .
I agree that he's better in Covenant's prologue but only because there's none of that ugly make-up on him. Still, he's a dick. "Bring me that tea, David" - what a asshole ! He invented artificial human but treats him as servant at best .
And yeah, for me more likable character = better one .
Being a dick is a complicated profession, don't you agree? :laugh: nah but seriously, sometimes these hateful characters do to the movies a favor.
Hell, if I use that logic, I would hate instantly movies like "A Few Good Men", "The Shining" or "A Clockwork Orange" :P
But I agree that Peter Weyland is mediocre at best in Prometheus. However, in Covenant... ;)
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 19, 2019, 09:20:54 PM
And yeah, for me more likable character = better one .
Like Fifield?
Fifield and likable don't belong in the same sentence.
Alien
Alien Resurrection
Even if such stuff are the Fire and Stone stuff for example ???
:laugh:
PROMETHEUS
ALIEN
ALIENS
ALIEN COVENANT*
ALIEN 3 *
ALIEN RESURRECTION.
But I like them all.
Alien is the best one. I actually like every one of the first 4 movies.
Quote from: InterAlien on Feb 22, 2020, 08:47:41 AM
Alien
Alien Resurrection
Alien: Resurrection...
Deary me mate but out of interest what did you like about that film?
1.- PROMETHEUS.
Quote from: Janek on Apr 22, 2020, 11:50:57 PM
Quote from: InterAlien on Feb 22, 2020, 08:47:41 AM
Alien
Alien Resurrection
Alien: Resurrection...
Deary me mate but out of interest what did you like about that film?
Are there any Dutch Angles? I forget.
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 23, 2020, 12:31:08 AM
Quote from: Janek on Apr 22, 2020, 11:50:57 PM
Quote from: InterAlien on Feb 22, 2020, 08:47:41 AM
Alien
Alien Resurrection
Alien: Resurrection...
Deary me mate but out of interest what did you like about that film?
Are there any Dutch Angles? I forget.
Alien: Dutch Angle
Directed by Austin Powers
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 23, 2020, 08:17:06 PM
Directed by Austin Powers
You're thinking of Alien: Dutch Oven
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 23, 2020, 12:31:08 AM
Quote from: Janek on Apr 22, 2020, 11:50:57 PM
Quote from: InterAlien on Feb 22, 2020, 08:47:41 AM
Alien
Alien Resurrection
Alien: Resurrection...
Deary me mate but out of interest what did you like about that film?
Are there any Dutch Angles? I forget.
Everywhere.
EVERYWHERE!
Alien because it's more of a horror film than its sequel. Resurrection is my least favorite.
Mine is Aliens (1986) definitely I don't care for the other ones
Quote from: Aliens1986fanboy on May 03, 2020, 02:00:17 AM
Mine is Aliens (1986) definitely I don't care for the other ones
Well thats a daring statement. Coupled with the last provoking threads not sure if its not a bait
Quote from: Aliens1986fanboy on May 03, 2020, 02:00:17 AM
Mine is Aliens (1986) definitely I don't care for the other ones
You didn't care for Alien? 😳
Quote from: Rankles75 on May 03, 2020, 11:17:04 AM
Quote from: Aliens1986fanboy on May 03, 2020, 02:00:17 AM
Mine is Aliens (1986) definitely I don't care for the other ones
You didn't care for Alien? 😳
Dont worry its a troll account. Check his history and his name. Apparently the guy hates Aliens and is trying to mock people who admire the film
I'm pleasantly surprised that the movies which aren't the 1st two got lots of votes.
It's curious to me think that back in 2011 when I joined here Aliens was my favourite movie. Now I totally changed my mind, my favourite it's Alien now. And my ranking:
1- Alien
2- Alien 3 (the Assembly Cut)
3- Aliens
4- Alien Covenant
5- Alien Resurrection
6- Prometheus
Quote from: aliens13 on Jul 13, 2020, 09:49:29 PM
It's curious to me think that back in 2011 when I joined here Aliens was my favourite movie. Now I totally changed my mind, my favourite it's Alien now. And my ranking:
1- Alien
2- Alien 3 (the Assembly Cut)
3- Aliens
4- Alien Covenant
5- Alien Resurrection
6- Prometheus
Switch Prometheus and Resurrection around and that'd be my best to worst list too! 😁👍
Aliens (Director's Cut)
Alien (Theatrical Cut)
Alien 3 (Special Edition)
Alien Covenant
Prometheus
Alien Resurrection
Alien 3 AC
Alien DC
Aliens SE
PROMETHEUS
A:R
Covenant
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 24, 2020, 11:43:44 PM
Alien 3 AC
Alien DC
Aliens SE
PROMETHEUS
A:R
Covenant
A...Oh, wait ...
Quote from: Huggs on Jul 24, 2020, 11:43:44 PM
Alien 3 AC
Alien DC
Aliens SE
PROMETHEUS
A:R
Covenant
:'(
Second one. I'm a massive James Cameron fan. To me it's a masterpiece. Saw a cinema showing of it a few weeks back. Outstanding.
I quite like the first one too - but the rest I can't stand.
He new...
Definitely the first two movies, with Prometheus a distant third.
Alien and Aliens are both solid horror pictures. Alien introduced us to the creature, and then Aliens went and built up on it and gave us some memorable characters, weapons, and more.
Prometheus definitely has its flaws, like a fair amount of plot-induced stupidity, but I like most of what it adds to the Engineers, and especially that black goo.
A L I E N
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Alien now I am older. Aliens when younger but the Alien 3 Assembly Cut is a bit of a guilty pleasure.
I enjoy the 2nd film more, but I think Alien had more likeable characters. Aliens is more of an Action SciFi film whereas the 1st film had more of a ''horror'' element. It's similar to how different the two Terminator movies were from one another.
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Nov 11, 2020, 09:29:42 PM
I enjoy the 2nd film more, but I think Alien had more likeable characters. Aliens is more of an Action SciFi film whereas the 1st film had more of a ''horror'' element. It's similar to how different the two Terminator movies were from one another.
Another franchise they have hurt badly too will silly add on films :(
I genuinely enjoyed Terminator Salvation. But most of what came after the 2nd film was pretty shabby.
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Nov 11, 2020, 10:16:11 PM
I genuinely enjoyed Terminator Salvation. But most of what came after the 2nd film was pretty shabby.
lol same. I like this place.
I always thought of illustrating the novel version of Alien by Alan Dean Foster. It's just a creepy if not more in places.
I also though about Kane's body being shot into space. There is a scene in a deleted version (link below) But in reality would they be allowed to get rid of his body like that? Wouldn't they have to bring it home. Always thought it was odd.
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Alien_deleted_scenes#Kane.27s_funeral
Maybe that's why the scene was deleted. I would've just froze his body and quarantined it. Come to think of it, all Ash had to do was freeze Kane with the Facehugger still on him. Nobody would suspect anything and the company could have gotten their prize plus the cargo of minerals.
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Nov 12, 2020, 10:33:18 PM
Maybe that's why the scene was deleted. I would've just froze his body and quarantined it. Come to think of it, all Ash had to do was freeze Kane with the Facehugger still on him. Nobody would suspect anything and the company could have gotten their prize plus the cargo of minerals.
Yes. I doubt you would be allowed to get rid of the body. You could knock anyone off and say oh they got sick etc. Could have had a scene where the Alien takes the body later to use for an egg conversion... and then cut that scene too.
A scene with Kane's body morphing into an egg would have been a good idea. Wasn't there a scene with that happening with Brett and Dallas?
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Nov 12, 2020, 11:05:31 PM
A scene with Kane's body morphing into an egg would have been a good idea. Wasn't there a scene with that happening with Brett and Dallas?
Yes.
Damn, they should have kept that scene in. And the scene in Aliens where Burke is harvested.
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Nov 12, 2020, 11:28:38 PM
Damn, they should have kept that scene in. And the scene in Aliens where Burke is harvested.
I think the Burke one was too soon after he was captured to have the facehugger off him and the pacing too wasn't it.
Should have kept this in too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_VnoLyrfdY
I can imagine that being what the Space Jockey sounds like.
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Nov 12, 2020, 11:54:29 PM
I can imagine that being what the Space Jockey sounds like.
Bit ropy acting in that scene in places maybe but a nice extra bit of creepy.
I would have shit my pants and turned the Nostromo around if this is what the transmission sounded like.
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Nov 13, 2020, 12:02:58 AM
I would have shit my pants and turned the Nostromo around if this is what the transmission sounded like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFRgTWHz1Mg
Agreed :O
This is B1L :laugh:
Quote from: S1L on Nov 11, 2020, 10:17:51 PM
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Nov 11, 2020, 10:16:11 PM
I genuinely enjoyed Terminator Salvation. But most of what came after the 2nd film was pretty shabby.
lol same. I like this place.
I always thought of illustrating the novel version of Alien by Alan Dean Foster. It's just a creepy if not more in places.
I also though about Kane's body being shot into space. There is a scene in a deleted version (link below) But in reality would they be allowed to get rid of his body like that? Wouldn't they have to bring it home. Always thought it was odd.
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Alien_deleted_scenes#Kane.27s_funeral
Burial at sea is a common naval practice.
That's true. And there was a deleted scene where Kane was gently let out into space, in a more respectful manner.
Oh Aliens....
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The fairest of them all...
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Aliens
Das right!
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Nov 13, 2020, 01:25:21 AM
That's true. And there was a deleted scene where Kane was gently let out into space, in a more respectful manner.
Pretty sure they always just jettisoned him. The effect was done by launching a small wooden figure with a slingshot.
My mistake, I don't think it was even filmed. but I read that the scene was to have Parker and Brett go outside in suits featuring a flying bedstead. The purpose of the scene was to show the scale of the Nostromo but money got in the way.
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That was for them doing repairs from memory. Ridley did some storyboards of it, of them flying around the outside of the ship.
The Ridleygrams
https://www.scified.com/news/alien-unseen-part-one-ridleygrams
I eat my words, Scott had considered using it for the funeral.
Quote from: S1L on Nov 12, 2020, 11:30:29 PM
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Nov 12, 2020, 11:28:38 PM
Damn, they should have kept that scene in. And the scene in Aliens where Burke is harvested.
I think the Burke one was too soon after he was captured to have the facehugger off him and the pacing too wasn't it.
Should have kept this in too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_VnoLyrfdY
Agreed to both those points. I'm glad Burke's scene was cut because the timeline didn't work properly. And it's such a shame the transmission sound was changed for the DC. I really do prefer that original!
Quote from: SiL on Nov 13, 2020, 01:20:43 AM
Quote from: S1L on Nov 11, 2020, 10:17:51 PM
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Nov 11, 2020, 10:16:11 PM
I genuinely enjoyed Terminator Salvation. But most of what came after the 2nd film was pretty shabby.
lol same. I like this place.
I always thought of illustrating the novel version of Alien by Alan Dean Foster. It's just a creepy if not more in places.
I also though about Kane's body being shot into space. There is a scene in a deleted version (link below) But in reality would they be allowed to get rid of his body like that? Wouldn't they have to bring it home. Always thought it was odd.
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Alien_deleted_scenes#Kane.27s_funeral
Burial at sea is a common naval practice.
Yes from like the 18th and 19th Century. Not so much in 2122 where the shipmate had died of Alien causes of an unkown origin. That would have been wrapped up and frozen. Someone like Ash would have insisted on it I am sure.
A load of deleted scenes from Alien here:
I also thought. When Reply says the narcissus wont take four. Was there another life shuttle on the Nostromo? I mean to cover 7 crew members and the cat?
Edit: Google is our friend lol http://alienexplorations.blogspot.com/1979/10/confusion-about-number-of-nostromos.html
Quote from: S1L on Nov 13, 2020, 09:50:40 AM
Yes from like the 18th and 19th Century.
Osama bin Laden was buried at sea in the 21st century.
QuoteNot so much in 2122 where the shipmate had died of Alien causes of an unkown origin.
I mean, the film clearly shows otherwise? You can't say the film is wrong for showing a burial at sea in the 22nd century when the film is the one building the universe and it's establishing what is protocol in the 22nd century?
QuoteThat would have been wrapped up and frozen. Someone like Ash would have insisted on it I am sure.
He had the facehugger, the Alien, and his examinations of Kane from medlab. Didn't need the body.
Where's notion that cryogenic sleep will actually slow down chestburster's growth coming from?
Nowhere. It's an idea presented by characters but never actually tested. EU said it doesn't work but that's about it.
ok
Quote from: SiL on Nov 13, 2020, 12:36:07 PM
Quote from: S1L on Nov 13, 2020, 09:50:40 AM
Yes from like the 18th and 19th Century.
Osama bin Laden was buried at sea in the 21st century.
QuoteNot so much in 2122 where the shipmate had died of Alien causes of an unkown origin.
I mean, the film clearly shows otherwise? You can't say the film is wrong for showing a burial at sea in the 22nd century when the film is the one building the universe and it's establishing what is protocol in the 22nd century?
QuoteThat would have been wrapped up and frozen. Someone like Ash would have insisted on it I am sure.
He had the facehugger, the Alien, and his examinations of Kane from medlab. Didn't need the body.
Yes but he was shot by soldiers and fully identified and recorded. He didn't have an unkown organism pop out of him. It's a movie so needs to do things in order for the story and effect. In reality an encounter and death like that would have had the body kept and frozen for later autopsy.
"US officials have given two reasons why a sea burial was chosen. First, that they did not want his grave to become a shrine. Second, that there was no time to negotiate with other countries to arrange a possible burial on land. According to CBS News, Saudi Arabia refused to take the body"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13261680
I like explanation ADF gives: they considered bringing Kane's body to Earth but just a thought of seeing him like this right after awakening was too much
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 13, 2020, 12:54:21 PM
I like explanation ADF gives: they thought about bringing Kane's body to Earth but just a thought of seeing him like this right after awakening was too much
Now that's a different thing and a good one. It's something you can see Dallas suggesting.
Edit: That is in the Novel? I can't remember it if it is. I will read it again as it was very good and I found it more creepy than the movie.
There's also the fact he was exposed to an alien organism and they had no idea what lingering effects it would have on his body. There was no guarantee cryosleep would do anything. He was basically biohazard and they had Ash's data from when he was in medbay.
Quote from: S1L on Nov 13, 2020, 12:55:58 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 13, 2020, 12:54:21 PM
I like explanation ADF gives: they thought about bringing Kane's body to Earth but just a thought of seeing him like this right after awakening was too much
Now that's a different thing and a good one. It's something you can see Dallas suggesting.
Edit: That is in the Novel? I can't remember it if it is. I will read it again as it was very good and I found it more creepy than the movie.
IIRC yes
Yeah, that sounds familiar.
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 13, 2020, 01:01:39 PM
Quote from: S1L on Nov 13, 2020, 12:55:58 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 13, 2020, 12:54:21 PM
I like explanation ADF gives: they thought about bringing Kane's body to Earth but just a thought of seeing him like this right after awakening was too much
Now that's a different thing and a good one. It's something you can see Dallas suggesting.
Edit: That is in the Novel? I can't remember it if it is. I will read it again as it was very good and I found it more creepy than the movie.
IIRC yes
Then that's cool. Dalls style. The book is interesting. The facehugger has the Giger eye on it and I think the Alien has the disc eyes too. And it gets into places having it's body squeeze in like an octopus or jellyfish I think.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 13, 2020, 01:01:17 PM
There's also the fact he was exposed to an alien organism and they had no idea what lingering effects it would have on his body. There was no guarantee cryosleep would do anything. He was basically biohazard and they had Ash's data from when he was in medbay.
Yes I agree with you there. And I know bodies are not allowed to be kept on a ship for too long. So something like this would bee seen like you say a biohazard.
Sil what you said
"The funeral itself seems makeshift. It's unlikely that the bodies of dead crew are required to be catapulted into space (perhaps they are frozen instead, to await autopsy) but the film obviously presents a
very extreme circumstance where the bodily remains, having been exposed to alien spore, may be hazardous to keep around."https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/the-funeral/
It's Aliens for me. Alien is a close second. Those two movies I always keep close to me.
Alien³ kinda fell off, since I read Gibsons comic version of the script and listened to the Audiobook. That's
my head canon now. :D
And Alien Ressurection? I kinda like the Newborn as a movie monster, but other than that it's forgettable.
Just curious? Was ALIENS your "gateway" to the franchise?
Quote from: Niko on Feb 07, 2021, 05:24:06 PM
It's Aliens for me. Alien is a close second. Those two movies I always keep close to me.
Alien³ kinda fell off, since I read Gibsons comic version of the script and listened to the Audiobook. That's
my head canon now. :D
And Alien Ressurection? I kinda like the Newborn as a movie monster, but other than that it's forgettable.
Yeah, and the Titanic kinda sank! ;D
Agree on the Gibson script. Though it was far from perfect, it didn't need to be great to replace the original in my head canon.
Alien The Third
Look, I have no idea what thread to post this thing in, and it doesn't warrant starting a new one, so I'm just going to drop a nice little clip of modern day Finicher actually managing to get the words "Alien 3" out of his mouth. :D
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1359995629456551938
Ugh I get it, but it always sort of saddens me to know he... feels not positively about the film.
I just wish he would talk about it... I wish someday he would do a full on interview or discussion about the film and what he really wanted.
They should ask him whether the AC or TC is best.
He probably hasn't seen either version :laugh:
Bloody pity.
Unhealthy if you ask me, he should face his past that is Alien 3... and let us watch... and maybe ask a few questions.
Hey TQ what was it you were telling me about a missed phone call? Was it Fincher/Lauzirika?
I know Lauzirika mentioned that in an interview podcast. In fact... I think it might actually be his recent AVPG interview episode.
Sounds about right.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 12, 2021, 02:31:52 AM
He probably hasn't seen either version :laugh:
:laugh:
It's not funny, yet it is.
Yeesh.
Yep that's a shame. Sounds like f**king PTSD for him.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 12, 2021, 02:34:10 AM
Unhealthy if you ask me, he should face his past that is Alien 3... and let us watch... and maybe ask a few questions.
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Man gave the best he could to the movie but was f**ked over by the people above him and has every right to feel the way he does
What? I didn't say he should feel any different about the film or that he needs to change his mind on anything at all ???
Aside from trying to be a bit humorous, I meant that I want to hear him talk about the experience retrospectively, because I'm a fan of his and A3.
I'm sorry. It's just applying word "unhealthy" to Fincher's relationship with Alien 3 bugged me the wrong way. Trust me, I'd love to hear him talk about his experience working on Alien 3 as any other fan. But I also understand and respect his opinion if he doesn't want to and won't ever want to do it
Aliens is my favorite because its kic*ss action, its highly quotable, lore building (a la Queen Alien), Aesthetic; I love close quarters of colonist structures and blue lighting. I was inpressed how it made dred palpable, when the marines land yoy are like "oh no.. your walking into a trap,"; the viewer is Ripley, aware its going to be bad, and that makes it frightening again, the anticipation.
I will say Alien gets into horror of facehugger, the chestburster, and Xenomorph. Alien is psychologically terrifying, even on rewatches; I get ill watching it and that is perfection, its suppose to. But Aliens feels more optimistic, you have good guys (marines) and bad guys (Xenos) which gives it its war theme; even western. It is for the reasons I said earlier and that I can watch Aliens over and over and not get ill that Its my favorite.
I gotta say this: as much as I like Alien3 and have usually defended it, I'm beginning to think the only films worth constant repeated watchings are the original first two.
Don't get me started on the three films that came after Alien3. I don't care for them much. 1979 still has the edge ever so slightly from me.
Maybe I'm more open now to a retcon of Alien3.... I'll admit I have not heard much about Blomkamp's script, but if a retcon happens IMHO the xenos need to come to Ripley and not vice versa. I don't see her leaving Newt behind, and especially not bringing Newt to battle. I think the aliens need to arrive on earth somehow.
The Gibson Alien 3 comic, audible drama (and soon the novelization) exist.
If i'm in the mood for the mean lean Sam Peckinpah-ish nihilistic finish, the assembly cut is there.
If i'm in the mood for a follow up that is more in line with Cameron's sensibility, the gibson stuff is there.
Why stick with just one? :D
(i'd say the Gibson stuff is probably way better than what Blomkamp cooked up..)
Quote from: skhellter on Jul 26, 2021, 10:24:14 AM
The Gibson Alien 3 comic, audible drama (and soon the novelization) exist.
And you'll get 2 different takes there too. The novel's going to be based on the first daft. Man, I think I'm gonna relisten to the drama soon.
the audio drama is so uneven and cartoonish that it feels like the audio of a late 80's cheap anime OVA.
Newt being played by an older actress 100% leans into that aesthetic.
I like it but... :laugh:
Anyone who voted for anything else than alien or aliens is just taking the piss :-P
I voted for Alien 3 :P
It's not "Technically/Objectively Best Alien Movie" thread, you know
I don't care really about technical stuff, for me movies are pure entertainment. Anyway I was just taking the piss myself, I wasn't aiming at anyone really :-) I personally like alien 3 as well bar the finale which I find very confusing with all the running going around. I really like how Ripley evolves from movie one till movie three.
If I watch the first one I need to watch the 2 follow ups as well otherwise it doesn't feel complete to me. It is hands down my favorite film trilogy.
Ok, you're good
Spoiler
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My definitive favorite is Alien.
I was discussing it with a fellow fan and he used a word for it, "hypnotic." The film grabs you. No matter how many times ai watch it, I am on the edge of my seat via suspense and totally enthralled. I told my friend that when I watch Alien a transference happens, I feel what the characters feel and I let my imagination transport me aboard the Nostromo and the fear becomes palpable.
Yeah it's absolutely entrancing.
People have often asked what Ridley Scott thought of all the other Alien films:
"Alien 1, I'll say was, by far the best. What followed was Jim's. That was okay. The other two were kind of adequate" - Ridley Scott
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=62557.msg2541974#msg2541974 (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=62557.msg2541974#msg2541974)
Good find ;)
So humble
Not one to blow his own trumpet. :laugh:
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 30, 2021, 03:58:37 PM
People have often asked what Ridley Scott thought of all the other Alien films:
"Alien 1, I'll say was, by far the best. What followed was Jim's. That was okay. The other two were kind of adequate" - Ridley Scott
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=62557.msg2541974#msg2541974 (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=62557.msg2541974#msg2541974)
When he said "the other two were kind of adequate", did he mean Prometheus & Alien: Covenant?
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;D
Nice try! ;D
Jim: Just ok?
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 30, 2021, 05:00:08 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 30, 2021, 03:58:37 PM
People have often asked what Ridley Scott thought of all the other Alien films:
"Alien 1, I'll say was, by far the best. What followed was Jim's. That was okay. The other two were kind of adequate" - Ridley Scott
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=62557.msg2541974#msg2541974 (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=62557.msg2541974#msg2541974)
When he said "the other two were kind of adequate", did he mean Prometheus & Alien: Covenant?
https://64.media.tumblr.com/9a104cbb50cb905c5bc7899054637fc5/tumblr_otxpz4WwFS1qmob6ro1_400.gifv
;D
...get out. Now
When Aliens gets re-released on 4k, they should use "...was okay" - Ridley Scott, as the pull quote on the cover.
Or if they release Alien: Resurrection again, plaster it all over with; "kind of adequate" - Ridley Scott. Which is probably the highest praise the film has ever received.
The best Alien films -
Dark Star (1974)
Alien (Theatrical, 1979)
Aliens (Special Edition, 1986)
Quote from: Gilfryd on Oct 20, 2021, 11:11:50 AM
The best Alien films -
Dark Star (1974)
Alien (Theatrical, 1979)
Aliens (Special Edition, 1986)
This is such a coincidence. I was at a small comic show this past weekend and mentioned Dan O'Bannon to one of the vendors. They said Dark Star was one of their favorite films. I tend to have tunnel vision and forget that creative talents extended beyond their ALIEN contributions.
Alien (1979), What can I say it's a great movie
Nice.
Quote from: Darwinsgirl on Oct 20, 2021, 06:36:57 PM
This is such a coincidence. I was at a small comic show this past weekend and mentioned Dan O'Bannon to one of the vendors. They said Dark Star was one of their favorite films. I tend to have tunnel vision and forget that creative talents extended beyond their ALIEN contributions.
This is now the Alien Expanded Universe -
Dark Star (1974)
Alien (Theatrical, 1979)
Blade Runner (Final Cut, 1982)
Dune (Theatrical, 1984)
Aliens (Special Edition, 1986)
Blade Runner 2049 (2017)
And no one can tell me otherwise!
Spoiler
/s?
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Quote from: Gilfryd on Oct 23, 2021, 06:05:17 PM
This is now the Alien Expanded Universe -
Dark Star (1974)
Alien (Theatrical, 1979)
Blade Runner (Final Cut, 1982)
Dune (Theatrical, 1984)
Aliens (Special Edition, 1986)
Blade Runner 2049 (2017)
And no one can tell me otherwise!
No Outland?
Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Oct 23, 2021, 06:59:39 PM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Oct 23, 2021, 06:05:17 PM
This is now the Alien Expanded Universe -
Dark Star (1974)
Alien (Theatrical, 1979)
Blade Runner (Final Cut, 1982)
Dune (Theatrical, 1984)
Aliens (Special Edition, 1986)
Blade Runner 2049 (2017)
And no one can tell me otherwise!
No Outland?
No The Thing?
Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Oct 23, 2021, 06:59:39 PM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Oct 23, 2021, 06:05:17 PM
This is now the Alien Expanded Universe -
Dark Star (1974)
Alien (Theatrical, 1979)
Blade Runner (Final Cut, 1982)
Dune (Theatrical, 1984)
Aliens (Special Edition, 1986)
Blade Runner 2049 (2017)
And no one can tell me otherwise!
No Outland?
Yeah, wtf ?
f**king ew.
I can say otherwise.
That list suuucks.
But can you do it without being a dick?
Not likely.
I appreciate the honesty :laugh:
Quote from: Trash Queen on Oct 23, 2021, 07:32:09 PM
f**king ew.
I can say otherwise.
That list suuucks.
Username checks out.
I would argue that pitch black is connected to the alien universe, it was even written as an alien movie from the start but changed after it fell through.
Certainly does. 😉
Certainly such a fiendishly uninventive reply. 😋
Anyway my favourite's Alien.
But since it's brought up:
Blade Runner (Final Cut 4K Edition)
Blade Runner 2049 (4K Edition)
Prometheus (4K Edition)
Alien Covenant (4K Edition)
Alien (4K Theatrical Edition)
Outland
Aliens (Theatrical Edition)
Alien³ (Special Edition)
Alien Resurrection (Either Edition)
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But seriously much as I appreciate the connective tissue creatively between the aforementioned projects, I have long since preferred to see them as separate creative entities, otherwise where does it actually stop- Why not include OBSERVER and RUINER for example? Particularly the former with Rutger Hauer, his last performance in a cyberpunk genre piece, substantially influenced by Alien and definitely Blade Runner. That's just my thoughts on it.
Quote from: judge death on Oct 23, 2021, 10:57:36 PM
I would argue that pitch black is connected to the alien universe, it was even written as an alien movie from the start but changed after it fell through.
It was?
Unless, you're being ironic about how obvious it is
Spoiler
David Twohy was responisble for one of unused Alien 3 drafts. Notably, it didn't had Ripley or any of Aliens characters as protagonist but instead a prisoner who served as a basis for the character of Riddick. There're similair elements, but overall plot of that script is pretty diferent from Pitch Black
Pitch Black wasn't ever an Alien movie - it was a screen story by two brothers that Twohy changed as it developed into a film.
He did reuse his prison setup from his unused Alien 3 draft in Chronicles of Riddick though - the way the person is described, the guard dogs, even the escape is fairly similar
Huh. I always thought Twohy's draft just morphed into Pitch Black when he left Alien 3 production. Didn't know he was adapting someone's work
Fair enough, I guess. And sorry for my smugness, Corporal
There's some more about the genesis here (https://www.scifinow.co.uk/interviews/pitch-black-interview-with-david-twohy/).
Well in this video they go through it a bit in the start of the video, saying the script from the start was that a ship crashland on the planet with alien hive on it and as they try to escape from it. Which is pretty much what pitch black became but with different kind of monsters than xenos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc_VBdtJAhE&t=497s
Quote from: SiL on Oct 30, 2021, 08:00:56 PM
There's some more about the genesis here (https://www.scifinow.co.uk/interviews/pitch-black-interview-with-david-twohy/).
Thanks, that was a nice read :)
I have one distinct memory about Coober Pedy - these were two words my uncle, who's like 6-7 older than me used to tease me with back when I was little
Oh, and these pretty things:
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Quote from: judge death on Oct 30, 2021, 08:03:46 PM
Well in this video they go through it a bit in the start of the video, saying the script from the start was that a ship crashland on the planet with alien hive on it and as they try to escape from it. Which is pretty much what pitch black became but with different kind of monsters than xenos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc_VBdtJAhE&t=497s
They are mistaken.
EDIT
Watched what they say. It sounds like they never bothered to look into what Twohy's script actually was and just assumed it must've been similar.
SiL have spoken
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I think what really elevates Aliens is the emotional core provided by Ripley and Newt (and Hicks to a lesser degree). To me, Aliens has the strongest emotional impact out of the franchise...I really feel Ripley's emotional anguish when she loses Newt (keeping in mind the aging and death of her biological daughter), before she resolves to make a rescue attempt into the hive. Ripley was already a great protagonist in the first film...I'd argue that Cameron's take on Ripley is arguably the most memorable, badass (but oh so skilfully humanized) heroine in cinema history.
Alien's strength is the cosmic dread and keeping the nature of the titular Alien (and the Pilot) very mysterious, very...alien, and one might say Lovecraftian. I'd argue that Cameron's take does not necessarily reduce the Aliens into giant space-ants, but that could be a more simplistic interpretation of Cameron's portrayal, and of course the Aliens and AvP EU really ran with the "bug" idea.
At the end of the day, it has to come down to Alien or Aliens. It's like comparing a good apple vs. a good orange. I'd give Aliens the edge based on its, in my view, superior emotional resonance and character relationships.
Quote from: happypred on Jan 29, 2022, 11:57:12 AM
I'd give Aliens the edge based on its, in my view, superior emotional resonance and character relationships.
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Still Alien (1979) theatrical cut for me. The film despite its age feels real to me, it messes with my head and nothing seems dated to me. No matter how many times I watch it I feel the dread, the terror, and the suspense equal to my first viewing.
For most of my life I would have answered ALIENS. It's an excellent film, a rare film that is as strong as it's predecessor, a structurally brilliant film. There's almost nothing you can fault it on. But ...
But for me, really, it's ALIEN. It's a standalone film -- not "a franchise" -- about encountering something profoundly alien and strange and dangerous. Scott paints with the camera, shows a universe that's huge and unsettling and shows how small we are in it. It's scott and Ron Cobb and Giger and Moebius and all the other designers that just gave it energy and vision and life, and the ensemble cast is strong, and ... it's just brilliant.
I always think with this kind of survey, the real interesting question is not your favourite (I guessed ALIENS would top out the poll and then yeild declining returns before I voted) but which is your second favourite. I think then we'd have a really interesting distribution.
As for my second favourite, I'd pick the rather unloved Prometheus.
Always the same for me when I check this topic.
I watch Alien and say to myself "this one's my favourite".
I watch Aliens and say to myself "this one's my favourite".
I watch Alien³ and say to myself "this one's my favourite".
And then I just watch Alien Resurrection.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 19, 2022, 10:20:46 PMAlways the same for me when I check this topic.
I watch Alien and say to myself "this one's my favourite".
I watch Aliens and say to myself "this one's my favourite".
I watch Alien³ and say to myself "this one's my favourite".
And then I just watch Alien Resurrection.
Hahahaha exactly the same experience.
The only real choices are either Alien or Aliens. Any other answer is just blatant self-deception.
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I love all the ALIEN movies for different reasons. As these movies are not carbon copies of each other with elements pilfered and constantly restamped with slight style differences and then repackaged to fans only (Star Wars: Episodes VII to IX, for example.). I'll watch ALIEN, ALIENS, ALIEN 3, PROMETHEUS and ALIEN Covenant. I'm good with all these and it just depends on what the mood takes me at the time. ALIEN Resurrection I can live without; but I do love ALIEN Resurrection fans.
You don't see them screw each other over for a God damn retcon. lol.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 19, 2022, 10:27:22 PMThe only real choices are either Alien or Aliens. Any other answer is just blatant self-deception.
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Piss off.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 19, 2022, 11:10:30 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jun 19, 2022, 10:27:22 PMThe only real choices are either Alien or Aliens. Any other answer is just blatant self-deception.
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Piss off.
They don't like hearing it, but the toxic component of this community lies squarely in the "ALIENS ONLY!" fan camp.
-Windebieste.
Aliens OR Alien. None of the other films in the franchise even come close.
The real question should be: Aside from Alien and Aliens, which film is your favorite? Alien 3 would then get my vote.
After ALIEN and Aliens? Covenant gets my vote.
Then A3/Prometheus, and then AvP/AR.
This IP has been through so much, it's a miracle it's still alive. God bless you Disney.
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You leave Randy alone! >:(
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 19, 2022, 11:19:32 PMAliens OR Alien. None of the other films in the franchise even come close.
The real question should be: Aside from Alien and Aliens, which film is your favorite? Alien 3 would then get my vote.
That is a really great question. Between 3 and Resurrection I'm going to be the odd one out and say Resurrection. Prometheus and Covenant are the same in my opinion.
I rarely rewatch any of the films these days, I lack the time and commitment it takes. But, at least for now, that might change in the future, it's Alien 3. There's some bleak warmth to that movie, it's Ripley's last journey, last shelter, It's definitely not something she hoped for - to spend her last days amongst murderers and rapists. But, in a way, Fury 161 became her home, place where she finalyl rested, finally found some inner peace after all the pain and suffering. Also.BTS history of that movie is endlessly fascinating
Second place goes to Aliens. I just owe that movie too damn much. Without the excitement and the trill of it it's unlikely I would've stuck around as an Alien fan. Seeing Queen, that majestic monstrosity, is something I'll never forget, even despite the fact I already knew what Queen was, thanks to first AvP movie.
I think I would put Covenant in the second place too. It's not a perfect movie and it took me some time to come around on it. First and third acts are very much repetition of Alien/s. But the middle chunk, everything to do with Engineers' necropolis and David's f**king around with Goo and being a sneaky sonovabitch - ah, love it, love to think about it and love to hear other people talk about it. All the subtext and sybmolism and LAYERS and sexual undertone and recontextualisation of what Alien is and what its relation to humanity is - there's just so much ! Covenant took best IMO parts of Prometheus and threw them into somewhat familiar Alien-esque structure
Third place for me would be shared between Alien, Resurrection and Prometheus. I understand that such ranking might infuriate certain people but it's purely my personal preferences, not me talking about movies' objective quality. Out of the three original I rewatched Alien the least. I know,I know, it started the franchise and it's visually stunning and timeless (hate that word, what does it mean even) and script is great and dialogue is well-written. But I just never can accumulate enough excitement for it. Pacing is too damn slow for me, I'm not the biggest fan of SJ sequence, I want to get to juicy Alien parts quicker. Also, I find the praise too over-whelmimg, these days it seems everybody talks just about the 1979 one,all interviews, documentaries and BTS books are about it. And why does it aleays has to come down to "Alien vs Aliens" argument ? Why do you people feel that in order to praise one movie you have to belittle another ?
Resurrection is too weird and bizzare for me to just watch it, I need to be in the proper mood, but with the right frame of mind, I can get enjoyment out of its dark comedy tone, exaggerated characters and creepy sexual undertones.
Prometheus is the same deal, really,that movie requires some mental preparation for me too watch. Lack of distinctly Alien elements really infuriates me and harms the movie for me. But I like the visuals,the overall feel, the idea that Shaw came to LV-223 to find the meaning of life, the answers but instead found death and destruction really resonates with me, the idea of an angry God is a scary one for me - I mean, what would you do if your creator one day decides there's no worth to you anymore ? Also, I'm not too bothered by the scientists not acting like scientists
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 19, 2022, 10:22:39 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 19, 2022, 10:20:46 PMAlways the same for me when I check this topic.
I watch Alien and say to myself "this one's my favourite".
I watch Aliens and say to myself "this one's my favourite".
I watch Alien³ and say to myself "this one's my favourite".
And then I just watch Alien Resurrection.
Hahahaha exactly the same experience.
And then CB walks in the room and sees you watching Resurrection and gets all horny. Guess between the two of you what turns him on more ?
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know it's a bad joke, I just love it too damn much
ALIEN and (to a much lesser extent) ALIENS are my favourites.
As the years roll by, I find it harder to sit through ALIENS (both versions). I just don't give a sh*t about Newt and Hicks (and the rest of the marines) - I don't think I ever did? The original film is still so fresh. I could watch it on loop until I'm gone.
ALIEN3 has some of the best set-pieces in the series, but as a whole, it's a depressing experience to view. The colour design is something you'd find in a filthy public toilet ... all those browns.
Never liked ALIEN: RESURRECTION. The production design and CGI looks more and more like a video game. Odious characters populate this sh*tty film.
The prequels are very pretty to look at but the films are mean-spirited.
So ... it's got to be the original ... ALIEN! No surprises there. I can still remember the days when it was just ALIEN - and no noisy, trashy sequels (and prequels) to ruin the memory of the 1979 classic.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Jun 20, 2022, 03:29:51 PMThe prequels are very pretty to look at but the films are mean-spirited.
That's exactly how I would describe them lol. Prometheus still is the best of the two though IMO.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 20, 2022, 04:54:56 PMQuote from: Elmazalman on Jun 20, 2022, 03:29:51 PMThe prequels are very pretty to look at but the films are mean-spirited.
That's exactly how I would describe them lol. Prometheus still is the best of the two though IMO.
Agreed. I like the Shaw character. It was a mistake to kill her off.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Jun 20, 2022, 03:29:51 PMALIEN3 has some of the best set-pieces in the series, but as a whole, it's a depressing experience to view. The colour design is something you'd find in a filthy public toilet ... all those browns.
That's kinda the point though. Fury 161 is a prison at the ass end of space after all, what else it's supposed to look like ? Personally, I find that aesthetic very appealing because I saw a lot places like that here - dirty and in long need of repair, it always reminds me of a ward in local hospital, very nostalgic
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 20, 2022, 05:03:45 PMPersonally, I find that aesthetic very appealing because I saw a lot places like that here - dirty and in long need of repair, it always reminds me of a ward in local hospital, very nostalgic
You get that aesthetic in ALIEN - without the sh*t-coloured browns. :laugh:
Brown is not the colour of shit - it's the colour of chocolate ! Nom, nom
Brown to highlight the state of decay of the prison facility, the rustiness of it. I think it's a perfect fit, although I get the non-appealing aspect of it of course :laugh:
Many would claim he ran it into the ground
He did elevate the first movie from what it was supposed to be though.
Tell it to all the people screaming their lungs out "Prometheus/Covenant SUX !!!"
He elevated the first movie, not subsequent ones ;D
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 25, 2022, 06:31:53 PMHe did elevate the first movie from what it was supposed to be though.
Star Beast! Star Beast!
Would argue alien resurrection is way, WAY more brown in its set designs than alien 3 is. Everything in resurrection is yellow/brownish color, even ripleys clothes ffs.
Yep, it has the piss/poop vibe that Jeunet love so much. That's the french touch for ya ;)
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jun 19, 2022, 10:20:46 PMAlways the same for me when I check this topic.
I watch Alien and say to myself "this one's my favourite".
I watch Aliens and say to myself "this one's my favourite".
I watch Alien³ and say to myself "this one's my favourite".
And then I just watch Alien Resurrection.
Same except I almost never find myself watching Resurrection these days. It's pretty much only when I'm doing a completist tour of the whole series. It's never quite as bad as I remember but it's almost as bad.
Resurrection has more replay value for me than Alien 3.
It's easy to stick on and half watch, me and CB can attest to that but, nah I definitely actually watch Alien³ SE the most, then Alien, then Aliens.
It's easier to sit and actually watch for me. Alien 3 is the only movie in the franchise I'd actually call boring these days.
Alien is slow, but it's immersive. Aliens reels you in, Resurrection cracks along. But Alien 3 is 45 minutes of watching characters find out what the audience has known since the opening credits and I just don't have the patience for it any more.
I love every moment of that forty five minutes (even the opening that's mostly detrimental), especially some of the Assembly Cut, I just find spending time in the atmosphere of the film infinitely entertaining that's why the beach stuff I adore so much.
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Honestly I could watch this part alone for hours on end myself, it's probably one of the main reasons I like Alien™ as much as I do and, why I gravitate towards the films I do.
But if I sit down and watch it, best be the version with this stuff tbh.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 27, 2022, 06:34:57 AMIt's easier to sit and actually watch for me. Alien 3 is the only movie in the franchise I'd actually call boring these days.
Alien is slow, but it's immersive. Aliens reels you in, Resurrection cracks along. But Alien 3 is 45 minutes of watching characters find out what the audience has known since the opening credits and I just don't have the patience for it any more.
What are your thoughts on Predator 2 because isn't it essentially the same - characters. figuring out who's responsible for the murders while audience knows the whole time it's intergalactic space hunter ? Personally, I get a kick out of such reverse-detective storytelling
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 27, 2022, 06:51:24 AM:'( :'( :'(
I love every moment of that forty five minutes (even the opening that's mostly detrimental), especially some of the Assembly Cut, I just find spending time in the atmosphere of the film infinitely entertaining that's why the beach stuff I adore so much.
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Honestly I could watch this part alone for hours on end myself, it's probably one of the main reasons I like Alien™ as much as I do and, why I gravitate towards the films I do.
But if I sit down and watch it, best be the version with this stuff tbh.
Good for you.
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 27, 2022, 07:16:28 AMQuote from: SiL on Jun 27, 2022, 06:34:57 AMIt's easier to sit and actually watch for me. Alien 3 is the only movie in the franchise I'd actually call boring these days.
Alien is slow, but it's immersive. Aliens reels you in, Resurrection cracks along. But Alien 3 is 45 minutes of watching characters find out what the audience has known since the opening credits and I just don't have the patience for it any more.
What are your thoughts on Predator 2 because isn't it essentially the same - characters. figuring out who's responsible for the murders while audience knows the whole time it's intergalactic space hunter ? Personally, I get a kick out of such reverse-detective storytelling
Predator 2 has precisely the same problem, but the decency to move at a cracking pace and distract us with Gary Busey's scenery chewing.
It's boring watching someone work out what we know, unless it's Columbo.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 27, 2022, 06:51:24 AM:'( :'( :'(
I love every moment of that forty five minutes (even the opening that's mostly detrimental), especially some of the Assembly Cut, I just find spending time in the atmosphere of the film infinitely entertaining that's why the beach stuff I adore so much.
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Honestly I could watch this part alone for hours on end myself, it's probably one of the main reasons I like Alien™ as much as I do and, why I gravitate towards the films I do.
But if I sit down and watch it, best be the version with this stuff tbh.
Don't be
blue, I love that stuff as well. I would love to spend rest of my days at the place like that, walking alongside the water, thinking about stuff
I think in Alien³'s case it builds dread for me, in Predator 2 it takes to the bloody end of the film until Harrigan gets dragged into the exposition caravan. Still love it tho
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This thread's about favourites, not putting down what others like. Ahem AVP and Requiem
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 27, 2022, 07:24:12 AMSpoiler
Why so bloody f**king salty SiL?
This thread's about favourites, not putting down what others like. Ahem AVP
This thread is full of people talking about which films they don't like in contrast to the ones they do like. No need to take it personally.
I wanted to do this privately but fine.
Most of my posts have been replying to Predator threads? I'm not hounding anybody.
You are being mean to me at nearly every opportunity.
I made one post in another thread saying you were off topic and said here that it was good you could find entertainment in just the atmosphere. I'm sorry it came across salty, but I genuinely don't understand why you're so upset. Feel free to DM me.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 27, 2022, 08:03:27 AMI made one post in another thread saying you were off topic and said here that it was good you could find entertainment in just the atmosphere. I'm sorry it came across salty, but I genuinely don't understand why you're so upset. Feel free to DM me.
I think you have been coming across as a bit snippy lately. I'd just assumed it was from getting f**k all sleep due to the baby.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 27, 2022, 08:10:05 AMI think you have been coming across as a bit snippy lately. I'd just assumed it was from getting f**k all sleep due to the baby.
That's entirely possible and I'm really sorry if it's coming across like that to people. I don't actually have anything against anyone.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 27, 2022, 05:00:04 AMResurrection has more replay value for me than Alien 3.
Easily
mmm yes gimme some of that queer-coded psychosexuality and Jeunet surrealism
Giger might've not been happy with the end result but honestly out of the four originals Resurrection is the one I associate the most with word "psychosexual"
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 27, 2022, 10:52:09 AMGiger might've not been happy with the end result but honestly out of the four originals Resurrection is the one I associate the most with word "psychosexual"
you kidding, the entire movie is about sexuality, sexual identity, and sexual liberation, all told through jeunet's lens of abstraction. It's an incredible movie, with the only 'fault' - if we can call it that - that its style is different from the other ones. Where Alien whispers, Resurrection yells. So depending on your point of view and interpretation you may or may not feel comfortable with it being a part of the series, or a movie in its own right, or a Jeunet opus.
Most certainly, the opening scene of the EE tells you right away that this movie has a certain personality to it, and you may or may not hear what it has to say - but there's LOTS of things it says!
I like to see it as a 'what if movie', as in, 'what if the Alien IP was done with this kind of sensibility and style', so I tend to see it detached from Alien and Aliens, but god do I f**king love Resurrection
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 27, 2022, 10:52:09 AMGiger might've not been happy with the end result but honestly out of the four originals Resurrection is the one I associate the most with word "psychosexual"
Oh I think it's the most overt definitely. But I can't disagree with him on the Alien designs.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Jun 27, 2022, 08:20:45 AMQuote from: SiL on Jun 27, 2022, 05:00:04 AMResurrection has more replay value
Easily
mmm yes gimme some of that queer-coded psychosexuality and Jeunet surrealism
It is the one me and CB always talk about having on in the background while we do stuff together. It and Prometheus actually.
But when it comes to inspiration, it's Alien³ and Alien Covenant, Alien and then Aliens that I gravitate towards in that particular order. But I always save the first three for special occasions.
The last time I saw Alien 3 and Resurrection was in 2007. To be honest I never thought much of either film, but all this discussion is making me think I should give them another go.
Quote from: NecronomIV on Jun 27, 2022, 11:50:07 AMThe last time I saw Alien 3 and Resurrection was in 2007. To be honest I never thought much of either film, but all this discussion is making me think I should give them another go.
once you get that it's ALL about sex (and so the tone is that of a Heavy Metal or Weird Sex comic) and that the main characters are queers going against stereotypical corp / military guys, with the sex monster in the middle, the movie comes to life. It's pure and unedulcorated cyberpunk surrealism
Quote from: Omegamorph on Jun 27, 2022, 11:37:41 AMQuote from: Kradan on Jun 27, 2022, 10:52:09 AMGiger might've not been happy with the end result but honestly out of the four originals Resurrection is the one I associate the most with word "psychosexual"
you kidding, the entire movie is about sexuality, sexual identity, and sexual liberation, all told through jeunet's lens of abstraction. It's an incredible movie, with the only 'fault' - if we can call it that - that its style is different from the other ones. Where Alien whispers, Resurrection yells. So depending on your point of view and interpretation you may or may not feel comfortable with it being a part of the series, or a movie in its own right, or a Jeunet opus.
Most certainly, the opening scene of the EE tells you right away that this movie has a certain personality to it, and you may or may not hear what it has to say - but there's LOTS of things it says!
I like to see it as a 'what if movie', as in, 'what if the Alien IP was done with this kind of sensibility and style', so I tend to see it detached from Alien and Aliens, but god do I f**king love Resurrection
I mean, WOW, good for you, glad you enjoyed it so much ! IMHO movie could've done with a less comedic tone, less Whedon and mote Jeunet if you know what I'm talking about
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 27, 2022, 11:40:28 AMQuote from: Kradan on Jun 27, 2022, 10:52:09 AMGiger might've not been happy with the end result but honestly out of the four originals Resurrection is the one I associate the most with word "psychosexual"
Oh I think it's the most overt definitely. But I can't disagree with him on the Alien designs.
Yes, "overt", that's the word I was looking for
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 27, 2022, 06:51:24 AM:'( :'( :'(
I love every moment of that forty five minutes (even the opening that's mostly detrimental), especially some of the Assembly Cut, I just find spending time in the atmosphere of the film infinitely entertaining that's why the beach stuff I adore so much.
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Honestly I could watch this part alone for hours on end myself, it's probably one of the main reasons I like Alien™ as much as I do and, why I gravitate towards the films I do.
But if I sit down and watch it, best be the version with this stuff tbh.
This intro always fascinated me. It almost feels like I'm watching a Tarkovski movie.
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 27, 2022, 12:13:25 PMI mean, WOW, good for you, glad you enjoyed it so much ! IMHO movie could've done with a less comedic tone, less Whedon and mote Jeunet if you know what I'm talking about
I do know and I used to clash with that too. It's up to taste. When I see it I think pulp comics (Heavy Metal, 2000 AD and the likes) and the movie is speaking with that same language. I think it's what is 'off' with it for a lot of people and it's totally fine not to be fine with it because it cranks things up
and the Alien stuff, all the designs and effects, is part of this in its entirety. It is no case that the Resurrection Aliens resonated with the comic books and Anderson's AvP
there ARE ways to make it fit with the other movies, but they're not necessarily ways that other people can or should agree with
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 27, 2022, 06:51:24 AMI just find spending time in the atmosphere of the film infinitely entertaining that's why the beach stuff I adore so much.
Agree, something I love with the beach scene and also the slow intro of Alien of nostromo and partly Aliens is the moody atmosphere, maybe scary to some but I would enjoy just be there.
BTW: something cool I found in alien3 to game boy is that you can walk on the beach and see a lot from the ebach scene plus the EEV on the beach, this was back in 1992 so seems the GB developer had inside photos/videos of the beach scenes we fans only first saw in 2003 with the release of the assembly cut. :D
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 27, 2022, 11:40:28 AMIt is the one me and CB always talk about having on in the background while we do stuff together. It and Prometheus actually.
But when it comes to inspiration, it's Alien³ and Alien Covenant, Alien and then Aliens that I gravitate towards in that particular order. But I always save the first three for special occasions.
Interesting choice to have alien resurrection running in the background, myself dread that movie so much especielly at the end that it would just irritate me. xD But nothing wrong and fun others enjoy it. Hmm what have I missed, you two do streams together or job or art work together? Can pm me if that is better, or can ignore this part, just curious.
The list there does sound nice, Covenant is a good movie and I almost place it as high as the other movies in the original trilogy. :)
Quote from: Omegamorph on Jun 27, 2022, 11:37:41 AMyou kidding, the entire movie is about sexuality, sexual identity, and sexual liberation, all told through jeunet's lens of abstraction. It's an incredible movie, with the only 'fault' - if we can call it that - that its style is different from the other ones. Where Alien whispers, Resurrection yells. So depending on your point of view and interpretation you may or may not feel comfortable with it being a part of the series, or a movie in its own right, or a Jeunet opus.
Would love to hear your explanation of the movie is all about sexuality? Find some between charachters, especielly between ripley and call, and johner doing sexual jokes and harrasment but not full movie. But can agree fully on the comic book atmosphere, it fit nicely with 2000AD and some european unique comics style, especielly the bizare designs and atmosphere and the dark comedy and all dark irony put into the movie.
Quote from: judge death on Jun 27, 2022, 10:18:10 PMWould love to hear your explanation of the movie is all about sexuality?
ripley and call are lesbian-coded
ripley is bonded with the aliens - the sex monsters - and the viper pit scene where she sinks into the alien world - the weird sex world - speaks by itself (weaver herself wanted to "have sex with an alien onscreen" and... they did just that, only it's the visual side of it and isn't necessarily literal)
the betty crew is all extravagant and queer-coded (except for maybe Elgyn who spews macho stuff and is the first to go), the bad guys are soulless scientists and military ops and in particular gediman is curious about pervert sexuality gets abducted into it and gets hellraisered
call's conversation with Ripley (see: the EE) in the chapel is ALL about sexual identity and struggle with it, ripley defends call whenever hate speech towards her is involved (a queer standing up for another queer)
so on and so forth
Ah thank you, yeah some of that I knew but some of it was new to me, well spotted. :)
Quote from: Omegamorph on Jun 27, 2022, 10:37:19 PMQuote from: judge death on Jun 27, 2022, 10:18:10 PMWould love to hear your explanation of the movie is all about sexuality?
ripley and call are lesbian-coded
ripley is bonded with the aliens - the sex monsters - and the viper pit scene where she sinks into the alien world - the weird sex world - speaks by itself (weaver herself wanted to "have sex with an alien onscreen" and... they did just that, only it's the visual side of it and isn't necessarily literal)
the betty crew is all extravagant and queer-coded (except for maybe Elgyn who spews macho stuff and is the first to go), the bad guys are soulless scientists and military ops and in particular gediman is curious about pervert sexuality gets abducted into it and gets hellraisered
call's conversation with Ripley (see: the EE) in the chapel is ALL about sexual identity and struggle with it, ripley defends call whenever hate speech towards her is involved (a queer standing up for another queer)
so on and so forth
Gediman wanting to make out with an alien is also something :laugh:
Quote from: judge death on Jun 27, 2022, 10:18:10 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jun 27, 2022, 11:40:28 AMIt is the one me and CB always talk about having on in the background while we do stuff together. It and Prometheus actually.
But when it comes to inspiration, it's Alien³ and Alien Covenant, Alien and then Aliens that I gravitate towards in that particular order. But I always save the first three for special occasions.
Interesting choice to have alien resurrection running in the background, myself dread that movie so much especielly at the end that it would just irritate me. xD But nothing wrong and fun others enjoy it. Hmm what have I missed, you two do streams together or job or art work together? Can pm me if that is better, or can ignore this part, just curious.
The list there does sound nice, Covenant is a good movie and I almost place it as high as the other movies in the original trilogy. :)
We'd love to do more art together but usually just casually's what I mean, being that we're in a relationship, and we both just find Alien Resurrection comfortable white noise.
Also just when you think you know everything.
Not that some shitposty stream is out of the question once I escape this developing-nation-tier tech infrastructure.
Introduced someone to Alien³ via the Special Edition earlier tonight, apart from the compositing, she had no complaints and it is now her favourite of the three films. Loved it. Absolutely glowing with praise.
The last time I tried to introduce people to the film they said it was boring then asked if the Alien was humping the prisoner in the tunnels.
Suffice to say I don't try to introduce people to the films personally these days.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2022, 02:38:26 AMThe last time I tried to introduce people to the film they said it was boring then asked if the Alien was humping the prisoner in the tunnels.
It was always boring. I once made my uncle sit through it back in the day. He was charitable enough to pretend he enjoyed it because he saw how much I wanted him to, but now I realize he was just being nice.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2022, 02:38:26 AMAlien was humping the prisoner in the tunnels.
It does (sorta) look like that.
It absolutely looks like that.
It does look that way. lol
This person helped wrestle me out of a decade long depression though, does not bullshit me, liked Aliens and liked Alien more but LOVED Alien³ to my surprise.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 03, 2022, 03:34:58 AMIt absolutely looks like that.
Alien 3 might actually be more interesting if it
was that.
Who's to say it's not?
Anyway yeah, good vibes, had a good time with Valerie. (Or Coco)
Very excited for A34K, that's going to be the Special Edition with the Dog and the Queen Chestburster. No egg or facehugger in the beginning part, and the compositing blue and green screen all cleaned up, tentatively dated for October to December.
When did they announce anything about the egg in the 4k version?
In a Reddit message when I asked about changes and release date.
Oh, the fan edit? I thought you meant Fox was doing it.
Fox isn't doing shit as far as anyone knows.
A rumour popped up around two years ago about Aliens and Alien³ getting 4K treatments done, but since then nothing, I also saw someone recently say this August but I think that's speculative bullshit.
James Cameron's so preoccupied with Avatar that it's not happening anytime soon, and if it did, it's likely you will wish that he hadn't considering the state of Terminator and Judgment Day. David Fincher doesn't care, and Charles de Laurikza holds no power under the Disney umbrella, especially with their track record of home releases.
Someone might eventually upscale Aliens from scratch but considering the film stock it would be mighty easy to make a complete hash of it, or just use the Blu-ray that although pretty for 1080p the DNR applied to it makes upscaling not all that desirable, and it's very blue.
Alien³ comparatively might be a lot of work with warped frames and such and of course painstakingly fixing the compositing, but it had the luxury of not being awful grainy in the first place, so if you went over it carefully a few times with upscaling and a keen eye that would probably do the trick pretty alright.
TL;DR A34K; will likely be the best version of that film by default for a long long long time if Disney's reputation remains unchanged.
My friend Coco's post on Blu-ray.com
QuoteI've been thinking a lot about Alien³ since I saw it for the first time a few days ago, and I really don't think most of the criticism it gets is at all fair. For the record, I fukin loved the movie. It was incredible. I honestly loved it more than I did the original. Having that takeaway and reading the criticisms, I feel like we weren't even watching the same movie.
Like, I get being upset with the stuff from Aliens being thrown out. But Cameron kinda did the same thing with Alien? He turned it from a horror movie into an action movie. How is turning it back into a horror movie suddenly a bad thing? Besides, Alien is like one of the few series where it's actually tonally consistent to kill main characters nihilistic-ally and unceremoniously.
Reading some of the criticisms, I kinda don't even feel like we were watching the same movie. People thought the characters were all generic/unlikable bald-heads? They were oozing with personality. All the marines in Aliens were generic clones. Direct that criticism over there. Hicks was the most boring character alive. I feel like Fincher was faced with an ultimatum. He could either continue the story of the alien or he could continue the story of Newt and Hicks. And he made a pretty bold decision to go with the former instead of trying to balance them. Plus holy shit was the cinematography fantastic. Honestly the main downside in my mind was just the poor compositing on the alien itself. But I can look past that.
Also I saw something about how the premise itself for Alien 3 is contrived, but have they forgotten that Aliens is a ridiculous comedy of errors? like jfc Aliens is a way worse offender than Alien 3 for every criticism I see except for special effects.
People weren't pissed off about genre change, they were pissed off about two main characters dying in the opening credits. Aliens didn't start with Ripley being pretty unceremoniously killed off. Say what you want but Aliens was more respectful towards its predecessor than Alien 3
Marines were generic clones ? Hicks was the most boring character alive ? C'mon now, I'm not sure me and your friend watched the same movie
Overall, once again I see the case of somebody feeling that to praise Alien/3 they have to shit on Aliens even if through being disingenenious which I honestly don't get the reasons for
That review reads like it was written by an edgy twelve year old. It's the "no, u" school of defence - "Nuh uh, Alien 3 wasn't disrespectful, Aliens was! The characters in Alien 3 weren't faceless, the characters in Aliens were!"
it doesn'tt actually praise the movie, just shits on another one to make it look good by comparison.
I never cared for Hicks or Newt, the main charachter of the alien franchise is the xenomorph and what I want to see, the humans are just fodder :D
The response Coco got:
QuoteYeah I agree that Hicks and Newt are overrated. Hicks is the only one to survive because he's the only Marine that doesn't display some form of a bad attitude about anything at any point, while the rest all gives us a little slither of a reason at one time or another to not feel too bad about them not making it. He's only interesting when he has to take charge and seems competent, big wow, after Gorman lost control. And he got to heroically jump through a window.
Newt has that "They're dead! Ok can I go now?" and that's it. It's just an excuse to have a kid menaced by the monster. Very manipulative but effective. I don't think Fincher can be accused of using Newt's death to arbitrarily put a grim pall over his film any more than Cameron is guilty of shoehorning an inherently sympathetic character into his own movie in order to provoke an emotion in the audience.
But surviving the end of this movie by default of being the least offensive and the most vulnerable character respectively doesn't make them indispensable. I don't buy that "We had relationships with them and then Fincher flushed them down the toilet" claim that some fans make.
I get what you're all saying, but it is written as a response to criticisms not just as an appraisal from someone who feels that the same criticisms can be applied to each film anyway, most characters are identifiable, with a handful standing out amongst a larger cast that's functionally interchangeable, for the most part.
Clones may be going a bit overboard yes, but I know, as probably most, that's an exaggeration in response to criticisms of the other film. Finding Hicks dull in comparison to Clemens' or Dillon's not a crime.
But it's a bit disingenuous to say she didn't praise the film,
QuoteFor the record, I fukin loved the movie. It was incredible. I honestly loved it more than I did the original.
being that she comments on the video audio aspects in that post,
QuotePlus holy shit was the cinematography fantastic.
and compliments the cast
QuoteThey were oozing with personality.
or that she must be being disingenuous herself as she discusses the genre change as part of them being unceremoniously killed off.
The praise is almost all contextualised in saying "but what about this OTHER movie?"
She said she liked it and the cinematography. The praise of the prisoner personalities (Gregor is such a character!) is framed within attacking Aliens.
And that reply she got about Newt equally misses the mark. I don't care about the characters much either but way to completely miss the story's underlying theme.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 07, 2022, 07:07:00 PMThat review reads like it was written by an edgy twelve year old. It's the "no, u" school of defence - "Nuh uh, Alien 3 wasn't disrespectful, Aliens was! The characters in Alien 3 weren't faceless, the characters in Aliens were!"
it doesn'tt actually praise the movie, just shits on another one to make it look good by comparison.
Uh-oh.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 07, 2022, 08:00:09 PMThe praise is almost all contextualised in saying "but what about this OTHER movie?"
She said she liked it and the cinematography. The praise of the prisoner personalities (Gregor is such a character!) is framed within attacking Aliens.
I mean, yeah. I'm criticizing Aliens. All the criticism I see directed at Alien 3 is unfairly NOT shown to Aliens, which it needs to be because it's a shallow and convoluted film.
Kind of comes across like you don't like Alien 3 so much as the idea that liking it over Aliens means something special.
Why not praise Alien 3 in your Alien 3 review and criticise Aliens in an Aliens review? It hardly makes Alien 3 looks good when the nicest thing you have to say is "yeah well Aliens is a bad movie!"
Quote from: SiL on Jul 07, 2022, 08:28:14 PMKind of comes across like you don't like Alien 3 so much as the idea that liking it over Aliens means something special.
Why not praise Alien 3 in your Alien 3 review and criticise Aliens in an Aliens review? It hardly makes Alien 3 looks good when the nicest thing you have to say is "yeah well Aliens is a bad movie!"
My "review" was in the context of people arguing about Aliens and Alien 3, so it was about that.
It is true though. I get off on liking Alien 3 over Aliens.
"You can't actually love Alien³ so you must think liking it over Aliens makes you special."
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What I actually said was "you don't seem to have anything nice to say about the movie itself on its own merits despite claiming to love it".
One can absolutely love Alien 3. They're all lovable in their own ways.
Actually what you wrote was:
QuoteKind of comes across like you don't like Alien 3 so much as the idea that liking it over Aliens means something special.
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The f**k's going on in here?
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 07, 2022, 09:05:02 PMActually what you wrote was:
QuoteKind of comes across like you don't like Alien 3 so much as the idea that liking it over Aliens means something special.
Yes, with the context being that it comes across like that because, etc.
Nothing resembling
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 07, 2022, 08:42:08 PM"You can't actually love Alien³ so you must think liking it over Aliens makes you special."
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 07, 2022, 09:10:22 PMThe f**k's going on in here?
Persecution fetish.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 07, 2022, 09:12:16 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 07, 2022, 09:05:02 PMActually what you wrote was:
QuoteKind of comes across like you don't like Alien 3 so much as the idea that liking it over Aliens means something special.
Yes, with the context being that it comes across like that because, etc.
Nothing resembling
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 07, 2022, 08:42:08 PM"You can't actually love Alien³ so you must think liking it over Aliens makes you special."
Yes because I was playfully mocking you being an absolute nonce innit?
One's an insinuation, the other declaration, that's the real difference.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 07, 2022, 09:12:16 PMQuote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 07, 2022, 09:10:22 PMThe f**k's going on in here?
Persecution fetish.
(https://c.tenor.com/Kaps_0vOz54AAAAC/billy-butcher-the-boys.gif)
To a new memba as well, the shame of it.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 07, 2022, 09:19:00 PMYes because I was playfully mocking you being an absolute nonce innit?
If you didn't have a history off getting overly defensive about Alien 3 I could see that, but it just comes across as a strawman.
QuoteTo a new memba as well, the shame of it.
I never said whose. (Edit: for clarity, mine; I'm being self deprecating)
You might also notice I stopped replying to them when they explained why they wrote the review they did. It made sense, I moved on.
I'm making an effort to be more aggressive than defensive, with my point of view instead, now that Coco's shown me nostalgia's indeed got no bearing on it.
I have a lot of fetishes but that's not one of them.
Thank you for giving a heads up that you will actively be making any discussion about Alien 3 even more exhausting than it already is, that's what we all need and a healthy way to enjoy something.
Remember this thread?
Quote from: SiL on Jul 14, 2020, 10:07:00 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Jul 14, 2020, 09:55:29 PMHell, some people actually consider Alien 3 to be high art...
Sheesh. There's a huge difference between being intentionally dense and layered and obtuse and difficult to understand and ... whatever the hell happened to Alien3.
Those were good times.
Remember when I got in arguments with filmmakers and derided for liking Alien 3 more than Aliens?
Memories.
I don't mind if you like Alien 3 more than Aliens. It's when people place Alien 3 (or any of the other sequels) above Alien OR Aliens that I call bullshit. The #1 spot can only be occupied by either one of those two movies. #2 can be anything, even AvPR.
It occupies the number one spot for me, then Alien, then Aliens.
Same as
@Cocolyte I just don't feel I need to hold that opinion in secret anymore.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 07, 2022, 10:50:52 PMI don't mind if you like Alien 3 more than Aliens. It's when people place Alien 3 (or any of the other sequels) above Alien OR Aliens that I call bullshit. The #1 spot can only be occupied by either one of those two movies. #2 can be anything, even AvPR.
Nah, the film has a distinct vibe that attracts a distinct audience, I can see people preferring that. It's just a matter of taste.
It's when they then say the others are shit movies I call bullshit.
Quote from: SiL on Jul 07, 2022, 11:27:56 PMNah, the film has a distinct vibe that attracts a distinct audience, I can see people preferring that.
Hipsters?
Spoiler
Europeans.
Coco's American lol & I'm Irish.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 07, 2022, 10:50:52 PMIt's when people place Alien 3 (or any of the other sequels) above Alien OR Aliens that I call bullshit.
People are diverse, and like different things, for different reasons.
Everyone has their own tastes. I
do place
Prometheus above
ALIENS. I'm not blind that
ALIENS is in many ways a superior film, I just think its a less
interesting film.
And tastes change over time. I don't much like
ALIEN 3 (and I know it's partly because I had sky-high expectations for it when it was released) or
Resurrection, but it's been over 10 years since I've seen either of those films and I'm interested in returning to them soon to re-evaluate how I feel about them.
(And I'm Australian 8) )
Also Australian. If we're allowed into Eurovision we count as people who can like Alien 3 a lot :P
My rating of AR shot up when I saw it in HD for the first time. f**k khondji's cinematography is beautiful.
ALIEN³ is like marmite: a thing that one comes to like over time. Unless you're David Fincher of course. :-X
Quote from: SiL on Jul 08, 2022, 12:24:34 AMf**k khondji's cinematography is beautiful.
Yes.
Quote from: NecronomIV on Jul 08, 2022, 12:20:28 AMEveryone has their own tastes. I do place Prometheus above ALIENS. I'm not blind that ALIENS is in many ways a superior film, I just think its a less interesting film.
Nice.
QuoteAnd tastes change over time. I don't much like ALIEN 3 (and I know it's partly because I had sky-high expectations for it when it was released) or Resurrection, but it's been over 10 years since I've seen either of those films and I'm interested in returning to them soon to re-evaluate how I feel about them.
It's definitely worth it.
Quote(And I'm Australian 8) )
New Zealand.
To me Alien 3 always felt like the funeral procession of someone I truly loved. A beautiful yet depressing procession that I would never stop to remember.
Resurrection was always more of a rollercoaster for me. A fun, sticky, messy rollercoaster.
I'd always rather watch Alien 3 over Resurrection. But while I fully acknowledge its flaws, I still love Alien 3 and hold it in the same esteem as I hold the first two. I just have to be in the mood to watch Alien 3. It takes a frame of mind for me to want to watch it.
That's why I find AR easier to watch. I don't need a particular mood for it.
AR's the easiest to watch honestly.
The first three, maybe apart from Alien, require a specific mood from me.
Aliens
Alien 2
Alien: Resurrection
Alien 3
I have not seen Prometheus and Alien: Convenant whatsoever yet! But so far this is my list and when I watch them I will give an opinion.
I somewhat have that mood thing for Alien and Alien 3. Not for Aliens, oddly enough.
I absolutely need to be in the right mood to watch Resurrection
I don't like Alien Resurrection so I never watch it. However, I will watch the special features like the making of, etc. I've always been interested in how movies are made so I'd rather watch the special features than the film itself.
Rez is aggressively stupid, kind of on purpose, and I get why that's not for everyone - but it oozes atmosphere and looks like a million bucks on a good screen. The Auriga itself is worth watching it for, honestly, just make sure to always watch the Theatrical cut.
It also always had interesting ideas (thanks Joss) drowned in the middle of numerous stupid ideas (thanks Joss).
The stupid ones tend to overshadow the good ones. The scene where Ripley discover and destroy her clones is emotionally strong and vicious at the same time, for example.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jul 08, 2022, 01:20:52 PMRez is aggressively stupid, kind of on purpose, and I get why that's not for everyone - but it oozes atmosphere and looks like a million bucks on a good screen. The Auriga itself is worth watching it for, honestly, just make sure to always watch the Theatrical cut.
I've never been a fan of the sets of Alien Resurrection. I never liked the look of them or the look of the film in general. However, if I'm going to say anything positive about the film, instead of being negative towards it like I normally would lol, I would say I like the miniature effects. I love miniature and practical effects and I have to admit Alien Resurrection does have a few good miniature effects and somewhere on YouTube there are a couple of short videos on them.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 08, 2022, 09:39:48 AMAR's the easiest to watch honestly.
The first three, maybe apart from Alien, require a specific mood from me.
AR is a hard one for me to watch (because of feels)...I don't like what happened to my Queen. The one I'll never watch again is Covenant and my favorite is Alien.
I agree that the first 3 are mood specific.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 08, 2022, 01:23:54 PMIt also always had interesting ideas (thanks Joss) drowned in the middle of numerous stupid ideas (thanks Joss).
The stupid ones tend to overshadow the good ones. The scene where Ripley discover and destroy her clones is emotionally strong and vicious at the same time, for example.
And then it's undercut with "Must be a chicks' thing". Thanks Joss
I'm not saying Aliens is a bad movie. It's just really.... bleh. It feels like it was made in a factory. It's very technically well-made, but beyond that I don't see much of artistic merit. It's a 7/10 or a low 8/10 depending on tastes.
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 08, 2022, 02:30:33 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 08, 2022, 01:23:54 PMIt also always had interesting ideas (thanks Joss) drowned in the middle of numerous stupid ideas (thanks Joss).
The stupid ones tend to overshadow the good ones. The scene where Ripley discover and destroy her clones is emotionally strong and vicious at the same time, for example.
And then it's undercut with "Must be a chicks' thing". Thanks Joss
Hahaha I forgot about that.
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 08, 2022, 02:30:33 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 08, 2022, 01:23:54 PMIt also always had interesting ideas (thanks Joss) drowned in the middle of numerous stupid ideas (thanks Joss).
The stupid ones tend to overshadow the good ones. The scene where Ripley discover and destroy her clones is emotionally strong and vicious at the same time, for example.
And then it's undercut with "Must be a chicks' thing". Thanks Joss
Urgh. Such a bad moment, ruining such a fantastic moment. Resurrection just doesn't hit the mark that often with the humour. The only one that ever sticks out at me as working is "I died." But honestly, I'd still rather read Resurrection than watch it. I think Whedeon and JPJ is just too much.
God, I hated that scene. Everything from Johner's dumb surfer-bro delivery ("Wow, man. So, like, what did you do?") to Ripley's big grin just rubbed me wrong. The movie is absolutely littered with shit like that.
I honestly love when Johner shoots that spider lol
God, I hated that scene.
Quote from: Cocolyte on Jul 08, 2022, 02:55:03 PMI'm not saying Aliens is a bad movie. It's just really.... bleh. It feels like it was made in a factory. It's very technically well-made, but beyond that I don't see much of artistic merit. It's a 7/10 or a low 8/10 depending on tastes.
That's fair, I guess. Caneron is very technically-minded direcror after all
Side note, your avatar gives me creeps. Which is not a necessarily bad thing
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 08, 2022, 04:18:52 PMGod, I hated that scene.
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Quote from: Local Trouble on May 04, 2020, 12:50:30 AMAliens was the closest this series ever came to being a mainstream crowd-pleaser. It's a damn fine, expertly-crafted piece of filmmaking on every level.
But Alien is still the better movie.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 25, 2021, 02:08:23 AMAlien 3 was just boring. A well-crafted film in many ways, but the story had no suspense.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 19, 2022, 11:19:32 PMThe real question should be: Aside from Alien and Aliens, which film is your favorite? Alien 3 would then get my vote.
The rest of the films in the series are just different flavors of shit.
I don't even disagree, I am just an odd duck that really loves Alien and Alien³ but just enjoys Aliens.
Nothing odd about that
Quote from: Master Chief on Jul 08, 2022, 02:29:43 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 08, 2022, 09:39:48 AMAR's the easiest to watch honestly.
The first three, maybe apart from Alien, require a specific mood from me.
AR is a hard one for me to watch (because of feels)...I don't like what happened to my Queen. The one I'll never watch again is Covenant and my favorite is Alien.
I agree that the first 3 are mood specific.
You and me both, hate that part of the movie and what happened to the queen, it was an alright popcorn movie but after that scene the movie just implode to me. The xenos stopped to be a threat and the movie has no scary ending plus insulting xeno fans.
Also that part of the movie could easily be made scarier and better with some slight editing.
After Watching:
People who go to work, because of their financial circumstances, are not abandoning their children. Weird take. Again I enjoy Alien and Alien³ more than Aliens but I can not deny Aliens' brilliance.
AR was the first Alien film that I had the opportunity to see at the theatre, and passed on it. I thought about it carefully and decided I was a fan of good film-making, not a "franchise".
When I did finally watch it, I felt I'd just watched a not-great Dark Horse comic. And that kind of followed through with AVP and AVPR (again, I passed on both of these on theatrical run).
Quote from: NecronomIV on Jul 09, 2022, 12:23:41 AMAR was the first Alien film that I had the opportunity to see at the theatre, and passed on it.
AR was also the first Alien movie I saw in the theatre. Oh and a VHS of ALIEN³ was what introduced me to the Alien world. ;D
Imagine if
this was your introduction, Komi-chan.
I'm surprised they didn't have a product placement deal with Pepsi in the movie itself.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 09, 2022, 12:36:20 AMImagine if this was your introduction, Komi-chan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZiWhkwJwCU
I'm surprised they didn't have a product placement deal with Pepsi in the movie itself.
They should have made the Covenant versión.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 09, 2022, 12:36:20 AMKomi-chan.
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Doesn't everybody?
I thought I was the only one 👉👈
Was the same Alien suit performer (Woodruff Jr.) from A3, also used for the Pepsi commercial?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jul 09, 2022, 12:36:20 AMImagine if this was your introduction, Komi-chan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZiWhkwJwCU
I'm surprised they didn't have a product placement deal with Pepsi in the movie itself.
I've never seen this before.
I'm reminded of Clive Barker speaking of seeing Pinhead on TV on a talk show giving (?)Mel Gibson a pin to fix his jacket or somthing like that.
I really see where Ridley Scott was coming from with his famous "the beast is done" statement. Both Scott and Barker are creative people, both collaboratively created horror icons ... and they become devalued by repetition and from being absorbed into popular culture and normalised.
The alien is a monster designed to be a
psychosexual nightmare horror ... and it's
advertising Pepsi on TV.
Watching that, even more than after watching AR or AVPR, I can see why Ridley wanted to move beyond the alien for
Prometheus and take the series in a different direction.
Quote from: NecronomIV on Jul 09, 2022, 02:20:24 AMThe alien is a monster designed to be a psychosexual nightmare horror ... and it's advertising Pepsi on TV.
According to a Russian fan sequel, Aliens are rather misunderstood creatures.
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Spoiler
I've never read it, so I don't know how accurate this fan piece is.
I want
@Kradan to watch it and review it for us. Then we should add it to the poll. It can't be worse than AR.
I've read it. It's bonkers. Ripley is somehow being resurrected from falling into a vat of fire. By Aliens. And she has Alien baby. And she learns to fit into their society. Also, IIRC, SJ are involved and they're in war with Aliens
Quote from: Kradan on Mar 18, 2019, 09:53:11 PMI remember reading it few years ago and actually enjoying it. Now...not so much actually. But really interesting take, i think. I name it half-official because these novels were actually published as far as i know and half-fanfic because i really doubt that FOX or any other companies which posess rights to publish anything Alien-related even know about it. Anyway.
Here's one problem though: these novels were written in Russian. Google translator maybe. I don't know. Hope here at least some people able to read in that language.
And final thing that i gonna to tell you about it:..friendly xenomorphs.
P.S. Novels written by Russian writeress Marina Naumova. Enjoy!
I thought it was some low-budget Russian flick. It's just a book?
Yes
Это все так или есть английская версия?
Нет.
Ні, тільки кацапською мовою, на превеликий жаль
Крім того, Слава Україні!
Quote from: Elmazalman on Jul 09, 2022, 02:10:02 AMWas the same Alien suit performer (Woodruff Jr.) from A3, also used for the Pepsi commercial?
He was.
That was the best commercial I've seen in a long time.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 11, 2022, 11:54:07 AMThat was the best commercial I've seen in a long time.
This has probably been said before but what I find funny about that commercial is that not one Pepsi is seen in the film. What you do see are Japanese Coca-Cola machines and the prisoners drinking bottles of Coca-cola...No Pepsi! Brilliant commercial though.
I'm sure there were two versions of this commercial. One short one long. Or am I misremembering that?*EDIT*Checked on Youtube and there was a short and long version.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jul 08, 2022, 07:05:55 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3NRcq9-P4c
After Watching:
People who go to work, because of their financial circumstances, are not abandoning their children. Weird take. Again I enjoy Alien and Alien³ more than Aliens but I can not deny Aliens' brilliance.
Update: Avoid Collative Learning if you can manage it. Awful person. Trust me on this one.
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I'd kill to get my hands on this.
I see that Japanese souvenir program on eBay a lot. I've been meaning to get one myself.
Quote from: xeno_alpha_07 on Jul 15, 2022, 01:08:58 PMI see that Japanese souvenir program on eBay a lot. I've been meaning to get one myself.
Message me if you see one!
Thank you!
Alien - great planet of the IT! space cyborg man insect vampire rapist terror from beyond the stars movie mmm 50s mmm insects mmm o'bannon mmm ronnie shusett mmm giger mmm however ridley scott is edgy and rambaldi bad 9/10
Aliens - great bigger sequel the IT! becomes THEM! and THEM! are commanded by a queen IT! also the military should be good but is mostly bad also carter j burke is an 80s peter ludlow mmm nice mmm cameron mmm bigger copy mmm 9/10
Alien3 - fincher sexy depression, unstable and plagued by production and wtf my character actors get one shot but mmm sepias mmm ADI mmm clemens mmm 9/10
Alien: Resurrection - THEM! are back after being violated by clonation and are reborn to violate an exaggerated IT! future, mmm ripley 8 mmm call mmm le metal hurlant and le body horror mmm mon ami jeunet mmm ADI mmm 10/10
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Quote from: Omegamorph on Jul 15, 2022, 04:17:56 PMAlien - great planet of the IT! space cyborg man insect vampire rapist terror from beyond the stars movie mmm 50s mmm insects mmm o'bannon mmm ronnie shusett mmm giger mmm however ridley scott is edgy and rambaldi bad 9/10
Aliens - great bigger sequel the IT! becomes THEM! and THEM! are commanded by a queen IT! also the military should be good but is mostly bad also carter j burke is an 80s peter ludlow mmm nice mmm cameron mmm bigger copy mmm 9/10
Alien3 - fincher sexy depression, unstable and plagued by production and wtf my character actors get one shot but mmm sepias mmm ADI mmm clemens mmm 9/10
Alien: Resurrection - THEM! are back after being violated by clonation and are reborn to violate an exaggerated IT! future, mmm ripley 8 mmm call mmm le metal hurlant and le body horror mmm mon ami jeunet mmm ADI mmm 10/10
I admire your positivity
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I'd kill to get my hands on this.
I just found my copy of this a week ago.
If you look at the picture of Ripley hanging on...her ankles are crossed and feet are touching the pipe. The shot for the movie must have been above that. True to Finchers style looking up.
If you have any questions about the program feel free to post or message.
I was hoping it would have more cast listing of the prisoners...Sadly not
Quote from: Kradan on Jul 15, 2022, 05:43:00 PMI admire your positivity
I was being facetious in putting Res as the only 10/10 obviously, just poking fun at how certain reviews go
With the right amount of uncontrolled substance intake, Rez can be a 10.
Exactly lol
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 17, 2022, 12:04:07 PMWith the right amount of uncontrolled substance intake, Rez can be a 10.
I developed my soft spot for it before that part of my teens, but I'd be lying if I said I'd watched it sober in the last decade.
I developed a soft spot for it when I saw it in decent quality.
Everyone bitches about the movie being brown but god damn dat cinematography is ace. Nobody made ADI's Aliens look so good.
Even on VHS I was loving that part tbh, but better image quality does help it. The only parts that ever cheesed me about it were the Alien redesign and the undignified death of the Queen, but to be both blunt and a bit cheeky, I then turned 15, made friends, had sex, touched grass etc.
Yeah that'll do it
DVD and VHS never really let the shots of the Aliens shine the way they do in HD for me - figuratively and literally.
Darius Khondij a literal god
Gimme dat 4K pls
Alien: 9/10. Love the aesthetics, relatable crew, lurking nightmare and Jonesy.
Aliens: 10/10 - James Cameron, you magnificent b*stard!
Alien 3: Nope.
Alien Resurrection: 4-5/10 - More of like a random Dark Horse Comic adaptation. Funny and goofy.
Alien 10/10
Aliens 9/10
Alien3 7/10
Alien Resurrection 5/10
Prometheus 6/10
Alien Covenant 7/10
My friend Coco reviews:
Alien: (A+) No apparent issues whatsoever. Predator: (B+) Enjoyed it a lot. Aliens: (B) Enjoyed it but took issue with lots of story choices. Predator 2: (C+) Very fun but no depth. Alien³: (A) Loved it not counting special effects. Predators: (C) Enjoyed the first act, but not when it just repeated similar beats three times and then just ended, with not much excitement.
Will do the other three Alien films after Prey at some point.
1) Alien (Great)
2) Aliens (Great)
3) Alien 3 (Good)
4) Prometheus (Meh)
5) Covenant (Meh)
6) Resurrection (Meh)
What's funny is I used to think the alien franchise was vastly superior cinematically than the predator one, but now?
1) Predator (Great)
2) Predator 2 (Very Good)
3) Prey (Very Good)
4) Predators (Good)
5) The Predator (Crap)
I think the predator franchise is slightly more consistent, it has the worst low of the group, but it has more consistently good to very good movies now with the release of Prey.
Alien and Aliens are greatness. Predator is greatness.
Besides the two top heavy films, Predator franchise is more enjoyable and far less boring and pretentious.
I think you're right about it being more consistently good.
You think Predator 2 and Prey are better than Alien 3?
I can't keep up.
It's a hard one for me. I think Alien 3 is better, but P2 is too many fond memories also.
Since I was asked:
My Ratings:
Alien
Alien³
Predator
Prey
Aliens
Predator 2
Predators
Alien Resurrection
Alien Covenant/Prometheus
AVP/AVPR
The Predator
My ranking would be: Predator, Alien, Predator 2, Prey, Aliens, Alien 3, Predators, Alien Resurrection, Alien Covenant, AVP, Prometheus, AVPR, The Predator
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 05, 2022, 04:30:12 AMMy friend Coco reviews:
Alien: (A+) No apparent issues whatsoever. Predator: (B+) Enjoyed it a lot. Aliens: (B) Enjoyed it but took issue with lots of story choices. Predator 2: (C+) Very fun but no depth. Alien³: (A) Loved it not counting special effects. Predators: (C) Enjoyed the first act, but not when it just repeated similar beats three times and then just ended, with not much excitement.
Will do the other three Alien films after Prey at some point.
To add to this-
I need to rewatch Alien 1 to make a better review of it. Only saw it once, but I remember really liking it. Predator is good because of all the shirtless muscle men lol <3. Aliens is a comedy of errors and that really brings down my enjoyment of it. I think it's very poorly written. Alien³, of course being my favorite, I would actually give an A+ even considering the horrendous compositing.
Resurrection is great fun to watch if only because of how WEIRD it is. Plus the Newborn gives me baby fever and I don't know what to say about that. Prometheus is absolutely stupid, but it's at least interesting, which is more than I can say of Covenant. And Prey is a really great innovation on what was a pretty stale franchise imo. (plus I love seeing people get ripped apart)
Quote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 12:18:40 AMAliens is a comedy of errors and that really brings down my enjoyment of it. I think it's very poorly written. Alien³, of course being my favorite, I would actually give an A+ even considering the horrendous compositing.
Wait, Alien 3 is
better written than Aliens? Jesus...
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 15, 2022, 01:15:46 AMQuote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 12:18:40 AMAliens is a comedy of errors and that really brings down my enjoyment of it. I think it's very poorly written. Alien³, of course being my favorite, I would actually give an A+ even considering the horrendous compositing.
Wait, Alien 3 is better written than Aliens? Jesus...
I mean, yeah. Alien³ is so believable and real. Everything feels purposeful and it even got my emotions a few times. (RIP Clemens) Aliens is a mess, where the plot largely only progresses because of people f**king up or making stupid decisions. I was just rolling my eyes at best and visibly frustrated at worst through most of it.
What stupid decisions are these ?
Alien eggs materialising on ceilings is not believable or real.
I was about to say that Alien 3, which I adore, stands entirely on a pretty big plot hole.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 05:01:46 AMWhat stupid decisions are these ?
Forgive me in advance if I forget something and have to add on to this later. My memory is damaged and I've only seen Aliens once.
Okay so, there's a slew of really stupid things that the characters in Aliens do. The marines are a bunch of jokers when they should be more with it, Burke is reckless, Lt. Boxes doesn't know what he's doing for half the movie, Drake sneaks ammunition into a dangerous area, the dropship was landed dangerously close to an infested building, Ripley risked the entire human race for a little girl (polarizing-ly out of character), and NOBODY was left on the Sulaco?
I am aware that most of these things can be explained away from bad writing as they are either thematically relevant or in-character. (Vietnam War parallels for the marines, Lt. Boxes is new and chokes, Burke is selfish, Ripley is having a character arc, etc. etc.) But the thing is when you look at the big picture, you realize that ALMOST EVERYONE was acting stupid. Even if you can explain them all individually, it's still bad writing that goddamn everyone is bein' stupid.
I also find the premise convoluted in itself. Ripley was in cryptosleep for decades and decades but just
happened to wake up within a couple months of the Derelict being rediscovered? Plus, with the exception of slimy Burke, Newt's lip, and Lt. Boxes' hero moment, I think the characters are
sooooo boring.
Every piece of media has plotholes and convoluted incidents, but Aliens has too many for me. So I can't help coming away from it thinking it's bad writing.
All that being said, it's fun! I won't pretend it's not! It's got great cinematography at points and the special effects are primo 80's practical effects. (And you know I love a good violence) But it's not a
good movie. Just a fun one. (Don't get hung up on the semantics there plz) And I really prefer something with a deeper and more believable character drama and moodier themes.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 09:57:52 AMAlien eggs materialising on ceilings is not believable or real.
Well yeah silly, aliens aren't real <3
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 15, 2022, 12:58:53 PMI was about to say that Alien 3, which I adore, stands entirely on a pretty big plot hole.
No but seriously, I hear this complaint a lot, but tbh it didn't really phase me? I don't see it being hard to believe that if the Queen could sneak onto the Sulaco then she could pick up an egg and toss it into the hallway as a fail-safe. Granted, everybody's tolerance for plotholes is different and it's all about the balance between convolutions and good writing, but it just.... didn't seem like a stretch to me?
If it changes anything, apparently it was a studio mandated insert?
How do people feel about Resurrection these days?
Quote from: Huntsman on Aug 15, 2022, 01:44:34 PMHow do people feel about Resurrection these days?
BABBY <3
No but srsly. It's fun just because of how goofy and weird it is. Plus all the parts where they DID take the project seriously are really well executed (practical effects, Ripley 7 body horror, the aforementioned babby) 7.5/10 for me personally
Aliens - one of the best sequels ever made. More mainstream but in a good way. It greatly expanded on the main character, introduces bunch of absolute badasses along the way, tells a compelling story, give you chills, give you laughts, give you majority of emotions along the way. It filled with iconic moments. Rough and beautiful at the same time, taking full advantage of its new setting.
Alien - legendary movie with graundbreaking creature design and immense atmosphere, down to earth characters, one of whom became an anomaly in the industry.
Alien 3 - back to the roots, but at what cost.
Resurection - fun dumb romp.
Prometheus - slick and gourgeous. Ambitious, intriguing and not that bad.
Alien: Covenant - operation stupidity engaged! What the flark, Ridley?
Prometheus had all the issues Alien Covenant had and more.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 03:59:39 PMPrometheus had all the issues Alien Covenant had and more.
Yeah, but at least Prometheus was interesting lol
Yeah the stupidity is sky high in Prometheus. But it does look gorgeous sometimes.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 03:59:39 PMPrometheus had all the issues Alien Covenant had and more.
I remember it other way around. But at the end of the day it doesn't matter. One way or another - Ridley shit the bed.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 15, 2022, 04:20:54 PMBut it does look gorgeous sometimes.
And it has interesting deleted scenes, altered scenes.
Prometheus has an amazing documentary for that stuff, the film aims high but achieves quite low, I feel Alien Covenant achieves more of what it set out for.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 04:48:08 PMPrometheus has an amazing documentary for that stuff, the film aims high but achieves quite low, I feel Alien Covenant achieves more of what it set out for.
Maybe entourage and 'novelty' saves it in my memory. I don't want to rewatch these movies for the realisation.
I wouldn't recommend it either lol
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 09:57:52 AMAlien eggs materialising on ceilings is not believable or real.
Eh, at this point, I just roll with it. Doesn't break the whole movie for me
It is an objectively big writing plot hole, but that doesn't prevent me from loving that movie with all of my heart.
Quote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 01:34:00 PMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 05:01:46 AMWhat stupid decisions are these ?
Okay so, there's a slew of really stupid things that the characters in Aliens do. The marines are a bunch of jokers when they should be more with it, Burke is reckless, Lt. Boxes doesn't know what he's doing for half the movie, Drake sneaks ammunition into a dangerous area, the dropship was landed dangerously close to an infested building, Ripley risked the entire human race for a little girl (polarizing-ly out of character), and NOBODY was left on the Sulaco?
How Burke being reckless makes him badly written or stupid ? He's a slimy businessman, he sees an opportunity and acts accordingly
Why do you cal Gorman Lt. Boxe-oooh,I get it. Well,the whole point of the character is that he is f**king inexperienced and it reflects how things have tendency to happen in actual military.
Drake doesn't know that he is in a dangerous area at that point because Gorman gave an order without any explanation and it is established early on that Marines don't like him very much
I thought they landed pretty far away and at this point they don't know colony is overrun with Aliens 'cause military staff thinks Ripley iis just a crazy woman
How Ripley going back for Newt endangers the entire human race exactly ? And you said it yourself, it's part of her character's development, she acts towards Newt as a mother would act towards her daughter and what mother would leave her daughter in a burning house ?
Nobody was left on Sulaco ... Ok I have nothing to counter that one, I guess that's dumb
Quote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 01:34:00 PMI also find the premise convoluted in itself. Ripley was in cryptosleep for decades and decades but just happened to wake up within a couple months of the Derelict being rediscovered?
Did you not watch a scene where Ripley smashes Burke against a wall ? Colonists found Derelict not by coincidence - they were sent there by Burke
Fun and interesting someone liking resurrection that much, especielly the newborn creature. :P Although I hate it with passion but that is for what it did, it fit the movie and theme perfectly design wise else, lol baby fever, that was new but it was interesting see the queen have its new way of reproduction. But to me it was handled badly, in my own fanfic it would been better if it was like gediman said, amde her even deadlier: have it birth the enwborn earlier in the movie, and this time it obey the queen but is curious and start eating the cooconed humans in the nest, as Ripley escape which make the queen to react and the newborn give chase after her. Making the scene scarier, ripley not safe and its not a anti climax. Now ripley have a better reason to have call to crash the ship to stop the queen from producing more of these. What happened in the movie just made it anticlimax: ripley dont have to fear the newborn so nothing bad can happen in the end of the movie, kills the scary atmosphere or fear that existed prior. Yeah I find the sexual and reproduction/breeding themes in the alien series as one of the best parts. Also we will then avoid the newborn killing the queen.(why in hell?! are you stupid newborn, poor queen, after eveything and gets killed by her own offspring. :( *curses* )
Alien 3 I dont have any issue with, I go with what the bluray menu says, the queen laid an emergency egg that she placed onboard the drop ship, Ripleya civilian have no idea of using military tech and didnt expect this to happen, bishop and hicks are out of service and no help, hence ripley dont have the codes to access sulacos programs and who knows what OS system they use, could be somethign she never has seen before, like try to use a computer program from the 70s with manual codes to change page and only way to know how, is to know it by memory. *looks at my job*
PRometheus is great looking movie but so empty on what happens, its really boring when I rewatched it, it never gets scary and for the most part not much happens, most people die from their own mistakes, not from alien creatures or could had been avoided if they behaved like humans. Not until they wake up the space engineer things start to happen and we have a creature that one can fear, before that its worms in one room and one mutated guy that they stupidly just open and welcomes in....
Covenant is so much better, we have actual threats and creatures in the movie and things happen and its scary, its feels way more like a scifi horror movie and things happen and have a story, and to me as they are colonists: I dont demand them to act as scientists so them making mistakes is fully okay in my book.
Covenant is after Alien 3 the fourth best alien movie easily.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 05:38:04 PMQuote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 01:34:00 PMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 05:01:46 AMWhat stupid decisions are these ?
Okay so, there's a slew of really stupid things that the characters in Aliens do. The marines are a bunch of jokers when they should be more with it, Burke is reckless, Lt. Boxes doesn't know what he's doing for half the movie, Drake sneaks ammunition into a dangerous area, the dropship was landed dangerously close to an infested building, Ripley risked the entire human race for a little girl (polarizing-ly out of character), and NOBODY was left on the Sulaco?
How Burke being reckless makes him badly written or stupid ? He's a slimy businessman, he sees an opportunity and acts accordingly
Why do you cal Gorman Lt. Boxe-oooh,I get it. Well,the whole point of the character is that he is f**king inexperienced and it reflects how things have tendency to happen in actual military.
Drake doesn't know that he is in a dangerous area at that point because Gorman gave an order without any explanation and it is established early on that Marines don't like him very much
I thought they landed pretty far away and at this point they don't know colony is overrun with Aliens 'cause military staff thinks Ripley iis just a crazy woman
How Ripley going back for Newt endangers the entire human race exactly ? And you said it yourself, it's part of her character's development, she acts towards Newt as a mother would act towards her daughter and what mother would leave her daughter in a burning house ?
Nobody was left on Sulaco ... Ok I have nothing to counter that one, I guess that's dumb
Well so it's like I say here ⤵
Quote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 01:34:00 PMI am aware that most of these things can be explained away from bad writing as they are either thematically relevant or in-character. (Vietnam War parallels for the marines, Lt. Boxes is new and chokes, Burke is selfish, Ripley is having a character arc, etc. etc.) But the thing is when you look at the big picture, you realize that ALMOST EVERYONE was acting stupid. Even if you can explain them all individually, it's still bad writing that goddamn everyone is bein' stupid.
I get they all have individual justifications. And they all individually make sense, but the product as a whole is a movie where everyone is acting like an idiot. Does that make sense? I may be struggling to communicate this point clearly. Apologies.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 05:38:04 PMHow Ripley going back for Newt endangers the entire human race exactly ?
It doesn't necessarily. But Ripley BELIEVES it does.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 05:38:04 PM
Quote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 01:34:00 PMI also find the premise convoluted in itself. Ripley was in cryptosleep for decades and decades but just happened to wake up within a couple months of the Derelict being rediscovered?
Did you not watch a scene where Ripley smashes Burke against a wall ? Colonists found Derelict not by coincidence - they were sent there by Burke
Ah okay I may have missed that part. Apologies. I concede that one.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 05:38:04 PMWhy do you cal Gorman Lt. Boxe-oooh,I get it.
I will never stop laughing at the fact that on a planet packed with the deadliest aliens ever seen in media, this man gets taken down by.... boxes. lmfao
Ripley doesn't believe going back will endanger humanity. She knows she's got time to find Newt before impregnation and the whole place is exploding in the next half an hour.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:19:12 PMRipley doesn't believe going back will endanger humanity. She knows she's got time to find Newt before impregnation and the whole place is exploding in the next half an hour.
Admittedly this is a grey area because we can't read Ripley's mind. I got the impression throughout the Ripley Saga though that she would take NO risks when it came to the aliens spreading. None whatsoever. And going into an active nest when there's even a chance that the person you're rescuing could be infested? That just doesn't seem very Ripley to me.
But yes. It is the climax of a character arc, so there is some narrative justification that proves a bit of merit. It's a stupid sexist character arc, but a cohesive character arc nonetheless.
There's no risk. Impregnation took hours in the film's timeline, not the microwave bake Aliens of later movies.
Of she saw Newt with a hugger on her and still took her I'd see the point.
@Cocolyte, I get the point you're trying to make - I just happen to disagree with it completely. I don't get how that "well, individually they are all justified but put together they somehow make everybody look like idiots" logic is supposed to work. But to each their own, I guess. The thing is, you didn't like the movie, end of story and there's nothing I can do to change your mind ... at least for now
Aliens was expertly written to depict a time-honored military tradition known as the "clusterf**k."
I still maintain that, had it not been for that "comedy of errors," the marines would have slaughtered the aliens.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:25:27 PMThere's no risk. Impregnation took hours in the film's timeline, not the microwave bake Aliens of later movies.
Of she saw Newt with a hugger on her and still took her I'd see the point.
All I'm saying is:
Option 1 - Leave the planet behind immediately to nuclear destruction? No risk
Option 2 - Go back in for a survivor? Some risk
It just doesn't seem like Ripley to me to roll those dice even with those odds.
Quote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 07:23:34 PMIt's a stupid sexist character arc, but a cohesive character arc nonetheless.
Now what's that even supposed to mean ?
Quote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 07:28:13 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:25:27 PMThere's no risk. Impregnation took hours in the film's timeline, not the microwave bake Aliens of later movies.
Of she saw Newt with a hugger on her and still took her I'd see the point.
All I'm saying is:
Option 1 - Leave the planet behind immediately to nuclear destruction? No risk
Option 2 - Go back in for a survivor? Some risk
It just doesn't seem like Ripley to me to roll those dice even with those odds.
Risk to what?
The only risk is to herself. Newt is doomed if she does nothing. The worst she can do is add herself to the list.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 07:26:41 PM@Cocolyte, I get the point you're trying to make - I just happen to disagree with it completely. I don't get how that "well, individually they are all justified but put together they somehow make everybody look like idiots" logic is supposed to work. But to each their own, I guess.
Alien also operates on everybody being an idiot. Much more explicitly. I'm not sure why it doesn't seem to be as much of an issue.
Quote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 07:28:13 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:25:27 PMThere's no risk. Impregnation took hours in the film's timeline, not the microwave bake Aliens of later movies.
Of she saw Newt with a hugger on her and still took her I'd see the point.
All I'm saying is:
Option 1 - Leave the planet behind immediately to nuclear destruction? No risk
Option 2 - Go back in for a survivor? Some risk
It just doesn't seem like Ripley to me to roll those dice even with those odds.
Oh yeah, just leave the girl Ripley has been building a relationship with throughout the movie to die in the claws of Aliens, audience will sure love that
"If one of those things gets down here that will be all!" By going to get Newt Ripley risks it spreading and that does indeed happen. "As long as it's alive, sister, you're not gonna save any universe."
Sure it's not satisfying, but Cocolyte's technically correct, the best kind of correct. lol
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:30:22 PMAlien also operates on everybody being an idiot. Much more explicitly. I'm not sure why it doesn't seem to be as much of an issue.
Why Kane sticks his face into an alien egg ? Why Dallas and Lambert bring him back on board ? Why don't they make additional scans of Kane's body ? Why Brett goes to look for a cat all by himself ? Why Ripley goes to MUTHUR room all by herself ? Why Parker spends precious fuel on burning a robot ? Why Ripley spends time looking for Jonesy ?
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 07:35:32 PM"If one of those things gets down here that will be all!" By going to get Newt Ripley risks it spreading and that does indeed happen. "As long as it's alive, sister, you're not gonna save any universe."
Sure it's not satisfying, but Cocolyte's technically correct, the best kind of correct. lol
Is it that hard to understand how character's arc works ?
And you're bringing Alien 3 as a proof ? You mean, the biggest plothole in the entire franchise ? Lol
I am not using Alien³ as proof but just an extension of the proof that already existed in Aliens itself, that being an Alien getting onboard the Sulaco, the Queen, the spawner.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 15, 2022, 07:27:46 PMI still maintain that, had it not been for that "comedy of errors," the marines would have slaughtered the aliens.
See that does not make them threatening to me though, or the film that exciting upon rewatch either, if any narrative involving the military requires people to mess up over and over again for the Aliens to have a shot?
Give me Aliens versus the military again but this time doing everything right and still taking causalities and then you have my money.
This thread lol
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Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 07:26:41 PM@Cocolyte, I get the point you're trying to make - I just happen to disagree with it completely. I don't get how that "well, individually they are all justified but put together they somehow make everybody look like idiots" logic is supposed to work. But to each their own, I guess. The thing is, you didn't like the movie, end of story and there's nothing I can do to change your mind ... at least for now
You misunderstand. I do like Aliens. I LOVE Lt. Boxes' redemption hero moment and I adore the practical effects. I just don't think it's better than Alien 1 or Alien³. And I don't think it's by any definition a masterpiece. It's more like... slightly above Independence Day or something. I just want its many faults to be acknowledged, because I want moviegoers to be a more critical group.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:30:22 PMQuote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 07:28:13 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:25:27 PMThere's no risk. Impregnation took hours in the film's timeline, not the microwave bake Aliens of later movies.
Of she saw Newt with a hugger on her and still took her I'd see the point.
All I'm saying is:
Option 1 - Leave the planet behind immediately to nuclear destruction? No risk
Option 2 - Go back in for a survivor? Some risk
It just doesn't seem like Ripley to me to roll those dice even with those odds.
Risk to what?
The only risk is to herself. Newt is doomed if she does nothing. The worst she can do is add herself to the list.
You have to admit, the Alien Queen wouldn't have gotten on the Sulaco if Ripley hadn't gone back for Newt.
@BlueMarsalis79 quotes it well ⤵
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 07:35:32 PM"If one of those things gets down here that will be all!" By going to get Newt Ripley risks it spreading and that does indeed happen. "As long as it's alive, sister, you're not gonna save any universe."
Sure it's not satisfying, but Cocolyte's technically correct, the best kind of correct. lol
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:30:22 PMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 07:26:41 PM@Cocolyte, I get the point you're trying to make - I just happen to disagree with it completely. I don't get how that "well, individually they are all justified but put together they somehow make everybody look like idiots" logic is supposed to work. But to each their own, I guess.
Alien also operates on everybody being an idiot. Much more explicitly. I'm not sure why it doesn't seem to be as much of an issue.
This is true. But in Alien, It's all in contrast to Ripley
not acting like an idiot. And that's the key differentiator. There is no contrast being drawn in Aliens. Everyone is just foolish, reckless, and/or incompetent.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 07:31:33 PMQuote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 07:28:13 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:25:27 PMThere's no risk. Impregnation took hours in the film's timeline, not the microwave bake Aliens of later movies.
Of she saw Newt with a hugger on her and still took her I'd see the point.
All I'm saying is:
Option 1 - Leave the planet behind immediately to nuclear destruction? No risk
Option 2 - Go back in for a survivor? Some risk
It just doesn't seem like Ripley to me to roll those dice even with those odds.
Oh yeah, just leave the girl Ripley has been building a relationship with throughout the movie to die in the claws of Aliens, audience will sure love that
It's not about what the audience
wants. It's about what makes a good story. I actually think it would make a much more potent narrative if Ripley had to make the difficult decision of leaving Newt behind even regardless of her bonding with her. Can you imagine how heartbreaking that would be? Great tragedy.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 07:29:06 PMQuote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 07:23:34 PMIt's a stupid sexist character arc, but a cohesive character arc nonetheless.
Now what's that even supposed to mean ?
Actually forget I said this part. I don't have the energy atm to write an essay on James Cameron's sexist way of writing women. Just... put a pin in it for now and remind me next time it comes up somewhere.
Alien 1979 gets to get away with it, because of the people in the story and the audience having no preconceived notions, Kane did something dangerous and ought to have taken context clues into account with where he stood, that being the skeleton up above.
Nobody else acts like an idiot for Alien's story to function though.
And they are being sabotaged by Ash the entire go round.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 07:49:34 PMAnd they are being sabotaged by Ash the entire go round.
Yeah, also that. That's really important.
Quote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 07:46:48 PMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 07:31:33 PMQuote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 07:28:13 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:25:27 PMThere's no risk. Impregnation took hours in the film's timeline, not the microwave bake Aliens of later movies.
Of she saw Newt with a hugger on her and still took her I'd see the point.
All I'm saying is:
Option 1 - Leave the planet behind immediately to nuclear destruction? No risk
Option 2 - Go back in for a survivor? Some risk
It just doesn't seem like Ripley to me to roll those dice even with those odds.
Oh yeah, just leave the girl Ripley has been building a relationship with throughout the movie to die in the claws of Aliens, audience will sure love that
It's not about what the audience wants. It's about what makes a good story. I actually think it would make a much more potent narrative if Ripley had to make the difficult decision of leaving Newt behind even regardless of her bonding with her. Can you imagine how heartbreaking that would be? Great tragedy.
But it kinda is ? Ripley going back for Newt IS a good story. Just abandoning the girl might've been the more rational thing to do but it wouldn't make sense in the context of everything that happened before. Cameron was going for a more hopeful, "we can do it" tone, what you're describing would be more at home in Alien 3 not Aliens
Aliens also contrasts other characters' decisions with Ripley always trying to take the smart approach.
She tells Gorman the colony isn't secure, warns him about the weapons, wants to immediately nuke the site from orbit.
Her going back for Newt is even a mirror of her going back for the cat - which was also risky, and which audiences thought she was dumb for since 1979. It's on brand for her to go back for the helpless one.
Quote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 07:46:48 PMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 07:29:06 PMQuote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 07:23:34 PMIt's a stupid sexist character arc, but a cohesive character arc nonetheless.
Now what's that even supposed to mean ?
Actually forget I said this part. I don't have the energy atm to write an essay on James Cameron's sexist way of writing women. Just... put a pin in it for now and remind me next time it comes up somewhere.
Alrighty then
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:55:13 PMHer going back for Newt is even a mirror of her going back for the cat - which was also risky, and which audiences thought she was dumb for since 1979. It's on brand for her to go back for the helpless one.
^^^
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 07:57:24 PMQuote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 07:46:48 PMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 07:29:06 PMQuote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 07:23:34 PMIt's a stupid sexist character arc, but a cohesive character arc nonetheless.
Now what's that even supposed to mean ?
Actually forget I said this part. I don't have the energy atm to write an essay on James Cameron's sexist way of writing women. Just... put a pin in it for now and remind me next time it comes up somewhere.
Alrighty then
The short version is Cameron's female protagonists can only achieve their goals by having men help them - and their goal is always to become a warrior mother.
Sarah Conner needs Kyle to become a warrior, then needs her son to regain her humanity. Ripley needs Hicks to become a fighter. Etc etc
In a single movie it's whatever but Cameron really doesn't seem interested in women either self actualising or being helped by other women - she must become Rambo Mum and a man must show her the way.
"Leave the f**kin' cat!"
I suppose the difference being I felt you could still have done similar stuff without the military being portrayed as incompetent on top of it all. As opposed to middle class people or "low class" people who are explicitly not trained for fighting anything.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 08:02:14 PM"Leave the f**kin' cat!"
I suppose the difference being I felt you could still have done similar stuff without the military being portrayed as incompetent on top of it all. As opposed to middle class people or "low class" people who are explicitly not trained for fighting anything.
The man was working to a pretty clear allegory and there's nothing wrong with that. Cocksure blowhards over reliant on their technology.
I also like how the marines of the future are basically the conscripts of the past. It gives an idea that the technology is running the military and they basically just need bodies to pull the trigger. I take it as world building.
Ripley went back for Newt because of love. When you love someone like that, like your family, sometimes you'll do anything to get them back. Even if it's not logical or a smart play.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 07:54:54 PMQuote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 07:46:48 PMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 07:31:33 PMQuote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 07:28:13 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:25:27 PMThere's no risk. Impregnation took hours in the film's timeline, not the microwave bake Aliens of later movies.
Of she saw Newt with a hugger on her and still took her I'd see the point.
All I'm saying is:
Option 1 - Leave the planet behind immediately to nuclear destruction? No risk
Option 2 - Go back in for a survivor? Some risk
It just doesn't seem like Ripley to me to roll those dice even with those odds.
Oh yeah, just leave the girl Ripley has been building a relationship with throughout the movie to die in the claws of Aliens, audience will sure love that
It's not about what the audience wants. It's about what makes a good story. I actually think it would make a much more potent narrative if Ripley had to make the difficult decision of leaving Newt behind even regardless of her bonding with her. Can you imagine how heartbreaking that would be? Great tragedy.
But it kinda is ? Ripley going back for Newt IS a good story. Just abandoning the girl might've been the more rational thing to do but it wouldn't make sense in the context of everything that happened before. Cameron was going for a more hopeful, "we can do it" tone, what you're describing would be more at home in Alien 3 not Aliens
It's a good story, yes. But I don't think it's thematically consistent with Alien. This is a case of me disagreeing with the direction Cameron took it. If you want Aliens to end happy, then it was executed as well as it could be. I just don't think it should have ended happy, though. It's an Alien movie after all.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Aug 15, 2022, 08:06:45 PMRipley went back for Newt because of love. When you love someone like that, like your family, sometimes you'll do anything to get them back. Even if it's not logical or a smart play.
I know. And I would have made the same choice. I just don't think Ellen Ripley would have made that choice.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:55:13 PMHer going back for Newt is even a mirror of her going back for the cat - which was also risky, and which audiences thought she was dumb for since 1979. It's on brand for her to go back for the helpless one.
Didn't she just like, pick up the cat on her way out? It's a magnitude of difference from going back into the belly of the beast...
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 08:01:51 PMThe short version is Cameron's female protagonists can only achieve their goals by having men help them - and their goal is always to become a warrior mother.
Sarah Conner needs Kyle to become a warrior, then needs her son to regain her humanity. Ripley needs Hicks to become a fighter. Etc etc
In a single movie it's whatever but Cameron really doesn't seem interested in women either self actualising or being helped by other women - she must become Rambo Mum and a man must show her the way.
Hey cool we're on the same page for once : D
That's fine and all, and it's excellently constructed, but that allegory being present does not change how I feel about their performance.
I like Aliens as it is, but I think perhaps in a future Alien versus the military type film, instead of me the audience knowing how it is going to play out ahead of time with people who do not know the threat awaiting them, like the previous six films now, a prepared military force not winning could be infinitely more interesting at this point.
@Cocolyte QuoteDidn't she just like, pick up the cat on her way out? It's a magnitude of difference from going back into the belly of the beast...
No. While on her own with the Alien lurking she went across half a deck at least looking for it.
The movie goes out of its way to set this up as her being next to be killed, as the Alien has only attacked people in isolation so far.
@Cocolyte, but Alien had a happy ending too - Ripley beat the monster, she blew it out the f**king airlock, she survived
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 08:15:25 PM@Cocolyte
QuoteDidn't she just like, pick up the cat on her way out? It's a magnitude of difference from going back into the belly of the beast...
No. While on her own with the Alien lurking she went across half a deck at least looking for it.
The movie goes out of its way to set this up as her being next to be killed, as the Alien has only attacked people in isolation so far.
Oh. then yeah that's stupid lol
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 08:17:08 PM@Cocolyte, but Alien had a happy ending too - Ripley has beaten the monster, she blew it out the f**king airlock, she survived
But everybody died...
She didn't. Aliens also had plenty of people die, heck, entire colony was overtaken by Aliens - lots of men, women and children suffered one of the most painful death possible
They have the same ending. Ripley risks her life to save the helpless member of the story. After seemingly escaping the Alien threat in a catastrophic explosion, she discovers she's not done and must suit up to blast the Alien into space.
@Cocolyte Ripley and Jones didn't.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 08:19:33 PMShe didn't. Aliens also had plenty of people die, heck, entire colony was overtaken by Aliens - lots of men, women and children suffered one of the most painful death possible
Idk. That still doesn't read as a happy ending to me. More just a silver lining ending.
I just think it would be
more Alien if Newt was left behind.
Alien is not some weirdly misanthropic story, though. Ripley going back and saving Newt is perfectly in line with the previous movie.
I'm of the mind the notion that Alien universe is supposed to be bleak and depressing comes mostly from Alien 3
Yeah, Alien is a pretty normal horror movie where the evil is vanquished, if at great cost, and the hero is able to escape and go home. It's no Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
You don't turn your back on family.
How does that work if Coco expressed that feeling upon seeing Aliens and having not yet seen Alien³ though Kradan?
By misreading the previous film.
Ripley sends out a report and snuggles up with her kitty to go to sleep. Between the music and the imagery it's really not presented as a downer ending.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 08:24:55 PMAlien is not some weirdly misanthropic story, though. Ripley going back and saving Newt is perfectly in line with the previous movie.
Misanthropic? No. It's very character-driven. And it's all about hope. But it's hope in the face of sacrifice. And moreover, hope in the face of certain destruction. We need to do what's right even knowing that we'll fail. Why? Because it's right. It's nihilism. But an optimistic nihilism. And that's why they should die.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 08:27:57 PMI believe that the notion that Alien universe is supposed to be bleak and depressing comes mostly from Alien 3
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Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 08:30:20 PMHow does that work if Coco expressed that feeling upon seeing Aliens and having not yet seen Alien³ though Kradan?
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Aug 15, 2022, 08:30:05 PMYou don't turn your back on family.
Alternate Universe Alien where everyone is friends <3:
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Quote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 08:35:25 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 08:24:55 PMAlien is not some weirdly misanthropic story, though. Ripley going back and saving Newt is perfectly in line with the previous movie.
Misanthropic? No. It's very character-driven. And it's all about hope. But it's hope in the face of sacrifice. And moreover, hope in the face of certain destruction. We need to do what's right even knowing that we'll fail. Why? Because it's right. It's nihilism. But an optimistic nihilism. And that's why they should die.
Okay, admittedly, THIS might be the Alien3 talking
a little bit lmfao
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 08:30:20 PMHow does that work if Coco expressed that feeling upon seeing Aliens and having not yet seen Alien³ though Kradan?
As understand she started watching Alien movies 'cause she's friends with you. I can't imagine you let her go in completly blind, did you ?
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 08:37:25 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 08:30:20 PMHow does that work if Coco expressed that feeling upon seeing Aliens and having not yet seen Alien³ though Kradan?
As understand she started watching Alien movies 'cause she's friends with you. I can't imagine you let her go in completly blind, did you ?
TO BE FAIR, I saw Alien 1 before I met
@BlueMarsalis79
Depends upon your perspective, everyone dies except Ripley and the cat after all that and I find the romantic theme to be more relief than happiness. I find Aliens and Alien³'s endings quite hopeful in different ways though, nihilism just means you make your own meaning rather than having it attributed for you by someone else, I don't think it gets more clear cut than it all being worth it because metaphorically speaking we get to see the sun rise again because of Ripley. And all the people who were written off as worthless and basically left to slave labour are the reason why.
Well we can sit here and say: they are dumb and make mistakes, why not follow protocol, why did brett go alone etc but I think we are forgetting here: We are dealing with humans, we arent logical and rational all the time, Ripley went back for newt due to her promise and feelings to newt, not logic. Military operations never go to plan and have a lot of fubar, often soldiers will be lost alone or sent away alone, shit happens.
Afterall, if all humans followed logic and was smart, we wouldnt have had the covid virus or any plauge or disasters.
*Oh, i suspect Im sick while im in china, shall I visit a hospital and quaranty myself? Nah I will take my plan home as planned.* Covid happens. Hell not many followed the rules for covid. :P
People will ignore rules, quaranty etc, heck even doctors can do such mistakes. *thinking on one who got home from vacation from china to sweden with covid and ignored all warnings....*
Quote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 08:35:25 PMMisanthropic? No. It's very character-driven. And it's all about hope. But it's hope in the face of sacrifice. And moreover, hope in the face of certain destruction. We need to do what's right even knowing that we'll fail. Why? Because it's right. It's nihilism. But an optimistic nihilism. And that's why they should die.
That's the
opposite of nihilism. Alien 3, and the franchise as a whole, rejects nihilism - even in the face of an indifferent, uncaring universe, there is reason for moral behaviour.
Everything you wrote here is precisely why Ripley goes back for Newt!
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 08:41:31 PMQuote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 08:35:25 PMMisanthropic? No. It's very character-driven. And it's all about hope. But it's hope in the face of sacrifice. And moreover, hope in the face of certain destruction. We need to do what's right even knowing that we'll fail. Why? Because it's right. It's nihilism. But an optimistic nihilism. And that's why they should die.
That's the opposite of nihilism. Alien 3, and the franchise as a whole, rejects nihilism - even in the face of an indifferent, uncaring universe, there is reason for moral behaviour.
Nihilism is that we make our OWN reason for our behavior. And that's what we see in Alien. People do what's right because they need to be better. Even in the face of death. Not because there is some grand order, but because it's the meaning they've created for themselves.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 08:41:31 PMEverything you wrote here is precisely why Ripley goes back for Newt!
It would be if Ripley planned on dying in the hive, but based on her quotes, doing what's right would mean leaving Newt behind even though it's hard.
Quote from: judge death on Aug 15, 2022, 08:39:56 PMWell we can sit here and say: they are dumb and make mistakes, why not follow protocol, why did brett go alone etc but I think we are forgetting here: We are dealing with humans, we arent logical and rational all the time, Ripley went back for newt due to her promise and feelings to newt, not logic. Military operations never go to plan and have a lot of fubar, often soldiers will be lost alone or sent away alone, shit happens.
Afterall, if all humans followed logic and was smart, we wouldnt have had the covid virus or any plauge or disasters.
*Oh, i suspect Im sick while im in china, shall I visit a hospital and quaranty myself? Nah I will take my plan home as planned.* Covid happens. Hell not many followed the rules for covid. :P
People will ignore rules, quaranty etc, heck even doctors can do such mistakes. *thinking on one who got home from vacation from china to sweden with covid and ignored all warnings....*
Right, yeah, also this. They are human and they make human choices. It just seems like, in the end, Ripley would have resisted that human choice.
@Cocolyte Then I honestly don't know what to say. As SiL said, Alien's ending isn't presented as being a downer one - Ripley peacefully sleeping in a cryotube while melodic score plays over the closing credits. On the other hand, you have more of a case with Alien 3's one - we get the shot of empty cryotubes with Ripley's message from the first movie being re-played one last time - to juxtapose the moments when she survived and when she died, beginning and ending
Nihilism is the rejection of a moral code on the basis that nothing really exists or can be truly known.
That we make our own meaning is a rejection of nihilism - to say that even if nothing exists, I will still act with morality for my own purposes.
Ripley goes back to save Newt because she believes it is the right thing to try to do, even in the face of seemingly insurmountable odds. It's perfectly consistent with her character in every other film.
https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-nihilism-5271083#toc-five-theories-of-nihilism
Go down to existential nihilism.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 08:49:40 PMNihilism is the rejection of a moral code on the basis that nothing really exists or can be truly known.
That we make our own meaning is a rejection of nihilism - to say that even if nothing exists, I will still act with morality for my own purposes.
You may be right about nihilism, but I'm not sure. Don't know enough here. I'll have to look into this more and discuss it again later.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 08:49:40 PMRipley goes back to save Newt because she believes it is the right thing to try to do, even in the face of seemingly insurmountable odds. It's perfectly consistent with her character in every other film.
I think we're at an impasse here, though. I believe Ripley wouldn't believe that's the right thing to do, you believe she would think it's the right thing to do. I'll think about that and see what I come up with later. Need to digest the concepts if that's okay.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 08:47:07 PM@Cocolyte Then I honestly don't know what to say. As SiL said, Alien's ending isn't presented as being a downer one - Ripley peacefully sleeping in a cryotube while melodic score plays over the closing credits. On the other hand, you have more of a case with Alien 3's one - we get the shot of empty cryotubes with Ripley's message from the first movie being re-played one last time - to juxtapose the moments when she survived and when she died, beginning and ending
I'll also have to rewatch Alien 1 and digest some of this before I dig more into it if that's okay. We've reached the limit of what I can say on all this I think. Anything past here and I'd just be making stuff up. Nobody wants that hahaha
@SiL @Kradan ping me next time all this stuff comes up. I'll probably have more to expound on by then. (if you want)
Alright then, have a good evening (or whatever time of day it is where you live). I enjoyed our discussion, I hope you did as well
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 15, 2022, 08:55:04 PMhttps://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-nihilism-5271083#toc-five-theories-of-nihilism
Go down to existential nihilism.
Quoteexistentialism deals with the ways to address the lack of intrinsic meaning in the world. In contrast, nihilists do not, due to their rejection of their being, there isn't any meaning to be found.
The Alien films are if anything existentialist, not nihilist, as the characters find meaning in a meaningless universe.
Ethical nihilism contains moral subjectivism though.
@Cocolyte Quotethink we're at an impasse here, though. I believe Ripley wouldn't believe that's the right thing to do, you believe she would think it's the right thing to do. I'll think about that and see what I come up with later. Need to digest the concepts if that's okay.
Certainly!
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 09:01:22 PMAlright then, have a good evening (or whatever time of day it is where you live). I enjoyed our discussion, I hope you did as well
More than you might expect lol. Loves discussing medias
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 09:04:48 PMThe Alien films are if anything existentialist, not nihilist, as the characters find meaning in a meaningless universe.
Ethical nihilism contains moral subjectivism though.
I thought that WAS nihilism. Hmm. Will look into this.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 09:04:48 PM@Cocolyte
Quotethink we're at an impasse here, though. I believe Ripley wouldn't believe that's the right thing to do, you believe she would think it's the right thing to do. I'll think about that and see what I come up with later. Need to digest the concepts if that's okay.
Certainly!
<3
Ethical nihilism / moral subjectivism.
But the films don't really seem to play on the idea that there's no objective right or wrong. They're pretty clear the greedy corporatists are morally wrong and the working class schlubs just trying to get home and party are morally right.
Quote from: NecronomIV on Jun 19, 2022, 01:45:06 PMFor most of my life I would have answered ALIENS. It's an excellent film, a rare film that is as strong as it's predecessor, a structurally brilliant film. There's almost nothing you can fault it on. But ...
But for me, really, it's ALIEN. It's a standalone film -- not "a franchise" -- about encountering something profoundly alien and strange and dangerous. Scott paints with the camera, shows a universe that's huge and unsettling and shows how small we are in it. It's scott and Ron Cobb and Giger and Moebius and all the other designers that just gave it energy and vision and life, and the ensemble cast is strong, and ... it's just brilliant.
I always think with this kind of survey, the real interesting question is not your favourite (I guessed ALIENS would top out the poll and then yeild declining returns before I voted) but which is your second favourite. I think then we'd have a really interesting distribution.
As for my second favourite, I'd pick the rather unloved Prometheus.
Alien is a masterpiece, a Beethoven's 9th that is the "Perfect Organism" in every way. I rewatched it recently, and it enchants me. I never tire of it, from the opening credits to closing credits I am be-spelled, transported, and enraptured.
By the way the credits symphony is Howard Hanson's Symphony 2. A perfect final score to the tense, brooding, intense, esoteric, and eery music that proceeded it.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 07:38:23 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:30:22 PMAlien also operates on everybody being an idiot. Much more explicitly. I'm not sure why it doesn't seem to be as much of an issue.
Why Kane sticks his face into an alien egg ? Why Dallas and Lambert bring him back on board ? Why don't they make additional scans of Kane's body ? Why Brett goes to look for a cat all by himself ? Why Ripley goes to MUTHUR room all by herself ? Why Parker spends precious fuel on burning a robot ? Why Ripley spends time looking for Jonesy ?
Most importantly, why did Parker and Lambert get themselves killed gathering coolant for the air support system if the shuttle had three cryotubes?
Hahaha
Honestly, if the company just wanted their little specimen brought back to them safe and sound, why not freeze Kane right then and there? Maybe the company also wanted to see what would happen if Ash allowed the lifecycle to run its course, but that was never stated in SO937. Did Ash go rogue?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 15, 2022, 11:15:43 PMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 07:38:23 PMQuote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:30:22 PMAlien also operates on everybody being an idiot. Much more explicitly. I'm not sure why it doesn't seem to be as much of an issue.
Why Kane sticks his face into an alien egg ? Why Dallas and Lambert bring him back on board ? Why don't they make additional scans of Kane's body ? Why Brett goes to look for a cat all by himself ? Why Ripley goes to MUTHUR room all by herself ? Why Parker spends precious fuel on burning a robot ? Why Ripley spends time looking for Jonesy ?
Most importantly, why did Parker and Lambert get themselves killed gathering coolant for the air support system if the shuttle had three cryotubes?
And why was there a room full of leaking water and chains? :D
That's the landing gear, leaking condensation.
Quote from: SiL on Aug 16, 2022, 04:57:26 AMThat's the landing gear, leaking condensation.
Good catch! I remember Ripley told Dallas not everything was fixed and he gave the command to take off.
Well well well, all that talk made me thirsty for an Alien 3 rewatch.
Always a good idea
The answer clearly ALIEN (DC)
I will always prefer the Theatrical Cut personally.
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They should make a ultimate Alien movie: add all scenes from both versions, and maybe some more deleted scenes, and to hell with ridleys obsession of having a runtime of 120 minutes, give us a 3 hour movie :P
We need some eggmorphing love here !
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To me that is a scene that must be in the movie but better placed/edited into the movie.
Quote from: judge death on Aug 16, 2022, 09:06:08 PMgive us a 3 hour movie :P
No thanks, I have trouble sitting through the movie as it is, it's goddamn too slow for me
Quote from: judge death on Aug 16, 2022, 09:06:08 PMThey should make a ultimate Alien movie: add all scenes from both versions, and maybe some more deleted scenes, and to hell with ridleys obsession of having a runtime of 120 minutes, give us a 3 hour movie :P
That's exactly what the "Director's Cut" was before Ridley Scott cut it down to an alternate version with quicker pacing for more modern audiences.
That's appalling.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 16, 2022, 09:07:09 PMWe need some eggmorphing love here !
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fun trivia, eggmorphing is a fan-term (likely born here on these boards back in 07 or something), based on what Cameron said in an issue of Starlog, which misinterpreted the original intentions: the growing egg was 'eating' Brett like a fungus (hence the moniker 'spore' assigned by O'Bannon)
I'll be working on this with the legendary wmm
Quote from: Omegamorph on Aug 16, 2022, 10:40:06 PMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 16, 2022, 09:07:09 PMWe need some eggmorphing love here !
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fun trivia, eggmorphing is a fan-term (likely born here on these boards back in 07 or something), based on what Cameron said in an issue of Starlog, which misinterpreted the original intentions: the growing egg was 'eating' Brett like a fungus (hence the moniker 'spore' assigned by O'Bannon)
I'll be working on this with the legendary wmm
I learned something new.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Aug 16, 2022, 10:40:06 PMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 16, 2022, 09:07:09 PMWe need some eggmorphing love here !
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fun trivia, eggmorphing is a fan-term (likely born here on these boards back in 07 or something), based on what Cameron said in an issue of Starlog, which misinterpreted the original intentions: the growing egg was 'eating' Brett like a fungus (hence the moniker 'spore' assigned by O'Bannon)
I'll be working on this with the legendary wmm
Is that different from Brett's corpse slowly turning into an Egg ?
Yes, one is a parasitoid (like the rest of the Alien life cycle) consuming his body, the other is a transformation of his body.
Well, I like the latter more
Originally the crew were wrapped in silk cocoons that made it a bit more obvious they were being absorbed by, rather than turning into, the eggs.
You can kind of see it in how Brett is melting into the egg but it's understandably vague when the scene plays out.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 17, 2022, 06:07:42 AMIs that different from Brett's corpse slowly turning into an Egg ?
Yep! Cameron found it kitsch because he associated it to b-movies where oftentimes a person turns into a creature or an egg. Since he wanted - what he and scott call - 'a B-movie done the A-movie way' he got rid of the spore concept and replaced it with his own, which was a retelling of a failed script of his (Mother), which in turn was about 'good mother vs bad mother'... which is Aliens. In essence, an excuse to do whatever he wanted, and at the time he was free to do so because the spore scene had been cut
Quote from: SiL on Aug 17, 2022, 06:32:32 AMOriginally the crew were wrapped in silk cocoons that made it a bit more obvious they were being absorbed by, rather than turning into, the eggs.
You can kind of see it in how Brett is melting into the egg but it's understandably vague when the scene plays out.
I know the Brett concept (likely inspired by Body Snatchers 56 or 78) but the first one is new! Where from?
It's not new, you can see it in Giger's Alien book.
Quote from: Omegamorph on Aug 17, 2022, 10:42:14 AMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 17, 2022, 06:07:42 AMIs that different from Brett's corpse slowly turning into an Egg ?
Yep! Cameron found it kitsch because he associated it to b-movies where oftentimes a person turns into a creature or an egg. Since he wanted - what he and scott call - 'a B-movie done the A-movie way' he got rid of the spore concept and replaced it with his own, which was a retelling of a failed script of his (Mother), which in turn was about 'good mother vs bad mother'... which is Aliens. In essence, an excuse to do whatever he wanted, and at the time he was free to do so because the spore scene had been cut
Quote from: SiL on Aug 17, 2022, 06:32:32 AMOriginally the crew were wrapped in silk cocoons that made it a bit more obvious they were being absorbed by, rather than turning into, the eggs.
You can kind of see it in how Brett is melting into the egg but it's understandably vague when the scene plays out.
I know the Brett concept (likely inspired by Body Snatchers 56 or 78) but the first one is new! Where from?
Giger's artwork for the Dallas cocoon? The novelisation?
Dallas was inside the silk-like cocoon, hanging from the ceiling, when Ripley discovered him. The 'silk' would harden and become darker (Brett cocoon).
Quote from: Elmazalman on Aug 17, 2022, 11:42:35 AMGiger's artwork for the Dallas cocoon? The novelisation?
Dallas was inside the silk-like cocoon, hanging from the ceiling, when Ripley discovered him. The 'silk' would harden and become darker (Brett cocoon).
Ooohhh nice thanks!
I need to ignore the novelizations less
I like alien resurrection because of the cloned xenomorphs
Alien and Aliens are great films, but as far as what personally compells me, if it wasn't for Alien³ I wouldn't give a shit about the franchise at all, Golic, Morse, Dillon, Eighty Five, Andrews, Clemens and Ripley in it are my favourite characters in the franchise. The sets are an amazing amalgamation of both the David Twohy prison setting and Vincent Ward Wooden Planet retrofitted together, it is the most expensive of the first three Alien films by a country mile and I think it shows, I adore the cinematography. It makes me genuinely disheartened to think most people do not see the level of unquantifiable value in it that I do. The prospect of seeing it as intended with finished compositing (Look up Project A34K) genuinely keeps me going when otherwise I feel like just giving up the ghost.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 04, 2023, 02:59:45 PMAlien and Aliens are great films, but as far as what personally compells me, if it wasn't for Alien³ I wouldn't give a shit about the franchise at all, Golic, Morse, Dillon, Eighty Five, Andrews, Clemens and Ripley in it are my favourite characters in the franchise. You are dead incorrect about the sets by the way, the sets are an amazing amalgamation of both the David Twohy prison setting and Vincent Ward Wooden Planet retrofitted together, it is the most expensive of the first three Alien films by a country mile and I think it shows. It makes me genuinely disheartened to think most people do not see the level of unquantifiable value in it that I do. The prospect of seeing it as intended with finished compositing (Look up Project A34K) genuinely keeps me going when otherwise I feel like just giving up the ghost.
It's nice to see others who respect and appreciate Alien 3 as much as myself. I've never understood the hate. The aesthetic, the creature design, the cast, the incredible soundtrack - even the setting: It's fine art.
Alien 3 is to me a great classic and last act of the holy alien trilogy, its easily second best movie in the franchise. :D
*hands out queen chestburster pendants to fellow 'Cult 161' brothers and sisters* 😂
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Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 04, 2023, 03:53:06 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 04, 2023, 02:59:45 PMAlien and Aliens are great films, but as far as what personally compells me, if it wasn't for Alien³ I wouldn't give a shit about the franchise at all, Golic, Morse, Dillon, Eighty Five, Andrews, Clemens and Ripley in it are my favourite characters in the franchise. You are dead incorrect about the sets by the way, the sets are an amazing amalgamation of both the David Twohy prison setting and Vincent Ward Wooden Planet retrofitted together, it is the most expensive of the first three Alien films by a country mile and I think it shows. It makes me genuinely disheartened to think most people do not see the level of unquantifiable value in it that I do. The prospect of seeing it as intended with finished compositing (Look up Project A34K) genuinely keeps me going when otherwise I feel like just giving up the ghost.
It's nice to see others who respect and appreciate Alien 3 as much as myself. I've never understood the hate. The aesthetic, the creature design, the cast, the incredible soundtrack - even the setting: It's fine art.
Its what got me into the mythology and was for a very long time my favorite Alien film, even thought I objectively agree it isnt the best. I mean, what a fantastic mood, look and feel the movie has. And its as serious as a heart attack, like the first two, which is something very much up my alley
Quote from: judge death on Jan 04, 2023, 04:27:33 PMAlien 3 is to me a great classic and last act of the holy alien trilogy, its easily second best movie in the franchise. :D
I agree that the first three films are a holy triad, granted Alien3 is so bleak. I do have special place for Resurrection in my heart, it to me while not storytelling wise is on the level of the triad, is fun in what it explores regarding Xenotransplantation.
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Jun 19, 2022, 10:27:22 PMThe only real choices are either Alien or Aliens. Any other answer is just blatant self-deception.
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Please shut up.
Hey, it's not my fault that the quality of the series dropped so sharply after 1986. Blame Fox for that.
You really make me wish the ignore feature was worth a damn.
Stop replying to me, leave me the f**k alone from now on.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2023, 10:20:17 PMHey, it's not my fault that the quality of the series dropped so sharply after 1986. Blame Fox for that.
Has setting a release date before having a story set in place
ever worked out?
Quote from: SiL on Aug 20, 2023, 06:25:43 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2023, 10:20:17 PMHey, it's not my fault that the quality of the series dropped so sharply after 1986. Blame Fox for that.
Has setting a release date before having a story set in place ever worked out?
Is it actually common or was Alien 3 uniquely doomed by that curse?
It's one of those "If I had a penny every time it happened I'd have very few pennies, but it's weird it happened that often" situations.
On the other hand, it seems like AR had its story nailed down from the outset and yet it actually made me appreciate Alien 3.
I feel like Alien: Resurrection needs a revisit and adjustment to "current bad movie inflation".
Aliens is my choice in the poll, but ranking it above Alien is tough since I think both films are really two halves of one story.
Anything after that is pretty much bonus content, though I also like all of the subsequent films - to varying degrees and for different reasons, of course: Alien 3 for its industrial bleakness, which just follows on perfectly from the first two films and for that ending; Resurrection for its total goofiness and weirdness; and the two prequel films for introducing everyone's favourite amoral android!
So to me, there's no bad Alien film. Just films that aren't as great as the first two.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Aug 21, 2023, 02:35:37 PMAliens is my choice in the poll, but ranking it above Alien is tough since I think both films are really two halves of one story.
Anything after that is pretty much bonus content,
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To recap, they have different genres, so it's not logical to compare them with each other: horror for the first based on the slow reveal of a creature, action for the second because the creature was already fully revealed (and have more than one alien), a procedural for the third (which was also supposed to finish Ripley's story), and political thriller for the fourth (with different types of creatures and human groups involved).
Quote from: ralfy on Aug 25, 2023, 05:23:28 AMTo recap, they have different genres, so it's not logical to compare them with each other: horror for the first based on the slow reveal of a creature, action for the second because the creature was already fully revealed (and have more than one alien), a procedural for the third (which was also supposed to finish Ripley's story), and political thriller for the fourth (with different types of creatures and human groups involved).
That made me laugh! Thanks.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Aug 26, 2023, 07:59:53 AMQuote from: ralfy on Aug 25, 2023, 05:23:28 AMTo recap, they have different genres, so it's not logical to compare them with each other: horror for the first based on the slow reveal of a creature, action for the second because the creature was already fully revealed (and have more than one alien), a procedural for the third (which was also supposed to finish Ripley's story), and political thriller for the fourth (with different types of creatures and human groups involved).
That made me laugh! Thanks.
Ignorance is bliss.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 20, 2023, 06:39:54 AMQuote from: SiL on Aug 20, 2023, 06:25:43 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 19, 2023, 10:20:17 PMHey, it's not my fault that the quality of the series dropped so sharply after 1986. Blame Fox for that.
Has setting a release date before having a story set in place ever worked out?
Is it actually common or was Alien 3 uniquely doomed by that curse?
Probably cause the writing process for Alien 3 went something like this:
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Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 04, 2023, 02:59:45 PMAlien and Aliens are great films, but as far as what personally compells me, if it wasn't for Alien³ I wouldn't give a shit about the franchise at all, Golic, Morse, Dillon, Eighty Five, Andrews, Clemens and Ripley in it are my favourite characters in the franchise. The sets are an amazing amalgamation of both the David Twohy prison setting and Vincent Ward Wooden Planet retrofitted together, it is the most expensive of the first three Alien films by a country mile and I think it shows, I adore the cinematography. It makes me genuinely disheartened to think most people do not see the level of unquantifiable value in it that I do. The prospect of seeing it as intended with finished compositing (Look up Project A34K) genuinely keeps me going when otherwise I feel like just giving up the ghost.
Though I am apprehensive about that project ever seeing the light of day now, but with the rumours, next year I fear we might just get a modern James Cameron "Aliens Remastered" in the style of Judgment Day, absolutely butchered, and not even get Alien³ or Resurrection for our trouble.
Quote from: ralfy on Aug 27, 2023, 01:37:53 AMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Aug 26, 2023, 07:59:53 AMQuote from: ralfy on Aug 25, 2023, 05:23:28 AMTo recap, they have different genres, so it's not logical to compare them with each other: horror for the first based on the slow reveal of a creature, action for the second because the creature was already fully revealed (and have more than one alien), a procedural for the third (which was also supposed to finish Ripley's story), and political thriller for the fourth (with different types of creatures and human groups involved).
That made me laugh! Thanks.
Ignorance is bliss.
An ill-chosen word is the fool's messenger.
Just ignore ralfy, he's crazy.
In an insane world, a sane man must appear... insane.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Aug 31, 2023, 01:24:31 PMQuote from: ralfy on Aug 27, 2023, 01:37:53 AMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Aug 26, 2023, 07:59:53 AMQuote from: ralfy on Aug 25, 2023, 05:23:28 AMTo recap, they have different genres, so it's not logical to compare them with each other: horror for the first based on the slow reveal of a creature, action for the second because the creature was already fully revealed (and have more than one alien), a procedural for the third (which was also supposed to finish Ripley's story), and political thriller for the fourth (with different types of creatures and human groups involved).
That made me laugh! Thanks.
Ignorance is bliss.
An ill-chosen word is the fool's messenger.
And that word is "laugh".
Imagine thinking Resurrection is a political thriller.
Someone should ask him to analyze AR next. I'm sure he'll find a way to remember it as a political thriller.
Quote from: ralfy on Sep 01, 2023, 01:34:55 AMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Aug 31, 2023, 01:24:31 PMQuote from: ralfy on Aug 27, 2023, 01:37:53 AMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Aug 26, 2023, 07:59:53 AMQuote from: ralfy on Aug 25, 2023, 05:23:28 AMTo recap, they have different genres, so it's not logical to compare them with each other: horror for the first based on the slow reveal of a creature, action for the second because the creature was already fully revealed (and have more than one alien), a procedural for the third (which was also supposed to finish Ripley's story), and political thriller for the fourth (with different types of creatures and human groups involved).
That made me laugh! Thanks.
Ignorance is bliss.
An ill-chosen word is the fool's messenger.
And that word is "laugh".
And that word is "ralfy".
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 01, 2023, 04:34:19 AMSomeone should ask him to analyze AR next. I'm sure he'll find a way to remember it as a political thriller.
Plot twist, the pages and pages of text aren't even about black projects or the ethics of bioweapons, it's just Blade Runner fanfic about Call and the Autons.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Sep 01, 2023, 05:46:23 PMQuote from: Local Trouble on Sep 01, 2023, 04:34:19 AMSomeone should ask him to analyze AR next. I'm sure he'll find a way to remember it as a political thriller.
Plot twist, the pages and pages of text aren't even about black projects or the ethics of bioweapons, it's just Blade Runner fanfic about Call and the Autons.
Like tears in acid rain...
The issue is, he'll spend 40+ thread pages insisting his fic is what happened in the movie, and that everyone else is simply too stupid to see this obvious truth.
Alien... hands down. What do y'all think of my ranked list?
The Best and Worst Alien Movies to Watch (https://www.gamersdecide.com/articles/best-and-worst-alien-movies)
Alien 3; the movie has a poetry, in the silent way that is, of supporting the franchise's overall ethos and morality. The climax, involves showing the closing down of areas used by the running time, such as a the diner hall and the meeting place. This is akin, to the movie being alive.
The running time, of 2 hours, is the entirety of the universe's life, as a meaning of Alien 3. Alien 3 features the quality, of its running time of 2 hours being a universe/cosmos life span.
Have I betrayed Alien 1979, by espousing Alien 3 as my favourite? No. Because Alien 3 is the silence of poetry to Alien's no ability to hear scream.
Why am I not surprised?
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I voted ALIEN3 as I knew that ALIEN would get more votes than A3. With that said, ALIEN and A3 share first place in my book, which has been the case for almost two decades now.
To me personally those two movies are far superior to any of the other entries in the series, including ALIENS, which comes on a far distant second place.
The problem with Alien 3 is that it feels a bit repetitive. We're back to the group of under-equipped navvies versus the lone Alien, Ripley has to explain the Xenomorph to another group of people who don't initially believe her, and we're stuck on yet another inhospitable moon/planetoid.
At least Resurrection tried something new.
More depressing than the film itself; How it is perceived.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 06, 2023, 10:26:15 PMMore depressing than the film itself; How it is perceived.
Facts.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Nov 04, 2023, 08:01:53 PMThe problem with Alien 3 is that it feels a bit repetitive. We're back to the group of under-equipped navvies versus the lone Alien, Ripley has to explain the Xenomorph to another group of people who don't initially believe her, and we're stuck on yet another inhospitable moon/planetoid.
At least Resurrection tried something new.
iv'e got a weird mixed opinion with 3 i love but also hate it mostly due too the dull setting and costuming but even i think the hate can get a bit much sometimes
Love this! Haha
https://www.instagram.com/vintage_scifiart/reel/C3Q6IoAqd0s/
The one where Big Chap returns.
Don't spoil it for everyone Mr. Haderach.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 13, 2024, 06:25:56 PMDon't spoil it for everyone Mr. Haderach.
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Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 13, 2024, 06:25:56 PMDon't spoil it for everyone Mr. Haderach.
Muad'dib sees many possible futures. There is no guarantee that the one he predicts will come to pass.
I'm often conflicted about which Alien movie I prefer, Alien or Aliens, I love both almost equally but which one I prefer always seems to change.
I am a bit surprised to see Alien being that much behind Aliens in the poll, to be honest.
Aliens had a broader appeal. Its hardly a fast paced film, but once the action starts its pretty relentless.
ALIEN is a slow burn through and through.
Just took a good decko at the poll, and I'm surprised the prequels are way behind A3 and Resurrection! They're better movies by far.
I so f**king strongly disagree but... check the age of the thread.
Alien > Aliens > Alien³ > Covenant > Prometheus > Resurrection
I'd rather watch Alien 3 but Covenant is the better movie.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Feb 15, 2024, 08:41:07 AMJust took a good decko at the poll, and I'm surprised the prequels are way behind A3 and Resurrection! They're better movies by far.
They are. Perhaps not by far - but we only get to pick one favourite, and very few people are going to pick them as a favourite when Alien and Aliens exist.
Covenant is a photo finish.
Alien³ is my Roman Empire
Prometheus and Covenant have beautiful cinematography, but pretty meh directing IMO.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Feb 15, 2024, 08:41:07 AMJust took a good decko at the poll, and I'm surprised the prequels are way behind A3 and Resurrection! They're better movies by far.
I disagree, as much as I think Alien 3 isn't a good sequel, it's still a good movie on it's own, and it also manages to wrap everything up in a mostly satisfying way too
Alien3 shoots itself in the foot by giving the audience all of the answers to Ripley's investigation before she even starts it. We have to wait 45 minutes before we're finally learning anything new.
That being the reason I want the pre test screening pre reshoots cut, I always found it really bizarre in the past when I heard David Fincher submitted it without Chestburster sequence; then through Alien Archive we also found out the notorious Egg at the beginning also got added after the fact.
You put that together, and that suggests to me, a cut where we only see the evidence of the presence of the Alien in aftermath up until either the candles sequence with Golic or that iconic shot.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 16, 2024, 08:01:30 AMthen through Alien Archive we also found out the notorious Egg at the beginning also got added after the fact.
We knew that looooooong before. What was new was that it was two eggs.
Ah right.
Would have been so cool to have Fincher's vision without all the studio meddling and stuff. Sad to think we never will.
I still want whatever edit he put together before the mandated changes, that would be good enough frankly.
Clearly I'd love to see that as well. What's also sad is that he still seems to hate it to this day.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 16, 2024, 08:01:30 AMThat being the reason I want the pre test screening pre reshoots cut, I always found it really bizarre in the past when I heard David Fincher submitted it without Chestburster sequence; then through Alien Archive we also found out the notorious Egg at the beginning also got added after the fact.
You put that together, and that suggests to me, a cut where we only see the evidence of the presence of the Alien in aftermath up until either the candles sequence with Golic or that iconic shot.
a reimagining of the movie that has the crew finding the dog/cow dead and with a hole at the chest would be so cool tho, I def think Alien 3 could use a remake of sorts
I don't want one, I don't think it needs it, what exists I like. It just needed some fine tuning.
Just a quick question that doesn't need a new thread : was Ripley on Earth when she got visited by Burke and Gorman in her flat ? She was on getaway station before that, and that was in Earth's orbit so, it is likely ?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 22, 2024, 09:55:19 AMJust a quick question that doesn't need a new thread : was Ripley on Earth when she got visited by Burke and Gorman in her flat ? She was on getaway station before that, and that was in Earth's orbit so, it is likely ?
Still on gateway.
Ok thank you.
Did a rewatch of the Quadrilogy, and Alien remains my favorite. I mentioned elsewhere that Alien has a spiritual aspect of horror that the sequels IMHO do not. The Alien feels more like a destroyer demi-god, designed to wipe out mankind in the most terrifying ways; turning all aspects of eros into death: kiss of death, intercourse of the mouth leading to a birth that leads to death. The Sequels tend to opt for horror and gore, and or action; but Alien feels like it penetrates the soul; the dark temple of eggs in The Derelict feels familiar and foreboding (as if we've been there or are going to be, or something in between), the Xenomorph beckons and disgusts; like man it is beautiful and violent; you in one way feel like Golic in Alien3 saying "magnificent!," and on the other hand like Ripley in Aliens, "I say we nuke the site from orbit, its the only way to be sure."
Got carried away...
The First one, Alien.
Quote from: Thatguy2068 on Mar 26, 2024, 05:02:46 AMThe First one, Alien.
In words of Tennessee in Covenant, "a man of taste."
Sometimes people are just so incorrect, you need to wait an entire page for that take to be buried before it is worth replying to again, thankfully not the case in this subforum just now talking theories about what happened to a certain Conestoga class Starship... no sir...
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 28, 2024, 08:00:58 PMSometimes people are just so incorrect, you need to wait an entire page for that take to be buried before it is worth replying to again, thankfully not the case in this subforum just now talking theories about what happened to a certain Conestoga class Starship... no sir...
Last I heard, it was sighted in the Gamma Leporis System.
The algorithm catering to confirmation bias, but a good video, all the same
definitely my favourite.
My last rewatch of Alien3 really elevated it in my estimation. It is an incredible film. The Alien: Resurrection rewatch on the other hand.. the Xenomorph roaring underwater really caught my attention, it really is The Jaws The Revenge of the franchise. XD
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 02:56:37 AMMy last rewatch of Alien3 really elevated it in my estimation. It is an incredible film. The Alien: Resurrection rewatch on the other hand.. the Xenomorph roaring underwater really caught my attention, it really is The Jaws The Revenge of the franchise. XD
The worst thing about Resurrection is that it is a truly boring film despite having distinctive characters and wonderful cinematography.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 30, 2024, 02:52:52 AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqJQaGC1MU0
The algorithm catering to confirmation bias, but a good video, all the same definitely my favourite.
Oh dear
Oh be quiet you! Go eat an egg.
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Quote from: Salt The Fries on Mar 30, 2024, 04:29:47 PMThe worst thing about Resurrection is that it is a truly boring film
(x) Doubt
the thing about a3 is that they should have included or done the cocooning scene. i m not sure: was that scene supposed to have egg morphing or normal facehugging?
from memory i it think was eggmorhing.....
was that scene even ever constructed?
the dog alien was a nice touch. by far the most beautiful alien in franchise.
but it needed something more. for me it would have been brilliant if ripley during her alien carrying stage herself began to change so that she herself was becoming like ripley 8 but much more so - that she was able to survive the chest bursting. she would be able to revive newt with regeneration abillty but not hicks.
and eventually kill the queen .....again
Quote from: oduodu on Mar 30, 2024, 06:20:15 PMbut it needed something more. for me it would have been brilliant if ripley during her alien carrying stage herself began to change so that she herself was becoming like ripley 8 but much more so - that she was able to survive the chest bursting. she would be able to revive newt with regeneration abillty but not hicks.
and eventually kill the queen .....again
Excuse me what the f**k?
Quote from: oduodu on Mar 30, 2024, 06:20:15 PMthe thing about a3 is that they should have included or done the cocooning scene. i m not sure: was that scene supposed to have egg morphing or normal facehugging?
from memory i it think was eggmorhing.....
There was supposed to be a cocoon scene wherein Ripley finds Andrews and the others hived up in the meeting tower. Apparently, some of the cocoons were even built for it.
Instead, the RPG mentions that Andrews, Boggs, and Rains were taken to a remote part of the facility and Ovomorphed.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Mar 30, 2024, 06:54:33 PMQuote from: oduodu on Mar 30, 2024, 06:20:15 PMthe thing about a3 is that they should have included or done the cocooning scene. i m not sure: was that scene supposed to have egg morphing or normal facehugging?
from memory i it think was eggmorhing.....
There was supposed to be a cocoon scene wherein Ripley finds Andrews and the others hived up in the meeting tower. Apparently, some of the cocoons were even built for it.
Instead, the RPG mentions that Andrews, Boggs, and Rains were taken to a remote part of the facility and Ovomorphed.
ah thanks
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Mar 30, 2024, 06:52:51 PMQuote from: oduodu on Mar 30, 2024, 06:20:15 PMbut it needed something more. for me it would have been brilliant if ripley during her alien carrying stage herself began to change so that she herself was becoming like ripley 8 but much more so - that she was able to survive the chest bursting. she would be able to revive newt with regeneration abillty but not hicks.
and eventually kill the queen .....again
Excuse me what the f**k?
lol
just some musings of my own.
but a3 did need something more.maybe not that.....
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Mar 30, 2024, 06:54:33 PMQuote from: oduodu on Mar 30, 2024, 06:20:15 PMthe thing about a3 is that they should have included or done the cocooning scene. i m not sure: was that scene supposed to have egg morphing or normal facehugging?
from memory i it think was eggmorhing.....
There was supposed to be a cocoon scene wherein Ripley finds Andrews and the others hived up in the meeting tower. Apparently, some of the cocoons were even built for it.
Instead, the RPG mentions that Andrews, Boggs, and Rains were taken to a remote part of the facility and Ovomorphed.
is ovo morhing the same as egg morphing?
Takes a breath.. I have to say.. Aliens disappointed me a little this viewing. I had a hard time ignoring that The Queen should have snapped Ripley's leg off in the airlock scene when she is hanging from her leg.
The bitch did take her shoe off, you unsatisfied swine.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Mar 30, 2024, 08:48:48 PMThe bitch did take her shoe off, you unsatisfied swine.
Lol it did, but Cameron really should have showed the other arms of The Queen grabbing the edge of the ship (there was ledge like part) so that it is not pulling its full weight on Ripley. :p
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 08:44:56 PMTakes a breath.. I have to say.. Aliens disappointed me a little this viewing. I had a hard time ignoring that The Queen should have snapped Ripley's leg off in the airlock scene when she is hanging from her leg.
Yes, but the fact that WY find Big Chap in space in Romulus ruins the movie because it's not realistic 😂 come on crazy stuff happens in all the movies, even in the great ones. People complains on Romulus only because is the new one
Quote from: aliens13 on Mar 30, 2024, 08:54:08 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 08:44:56 PMTakes a breath.. I have to say.. Aliens disappointed me a little this viewing. I had a hard time ignoring that The Queen should have snapped Ripley's leg off in the airlock scene when she is hanging from her leg.
Yes, but the fact that WY find Big Chap in space in Romulus ruins the movie because it's not realistic 😂 come on crazy stuff happens in all the movies, even in the great ones. People complains on Romulus only because is the new one
I let it slide cuz Aliens is a masterpiece, but this viewing in UHD made it more noticeable. :)
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 08:56:10 PMQuote from: aliens13 on Mar 30, 2024, 08:54:08 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 08:44:56 PMTakes a breath.. I have to say.. Aliens disappointed me a little this viewing. I had a hard time ignoring that The Queen should have snapped Ripley's leg off in the airlock scene when she is hanging from her leg.
Yes, but the fact that WY find Big Chap in space in Romulus ruins the movie because it's not realistic 😂 come on crazy stuff happens in all the movies, even in the great ones. People complains on Romulus only because is the new one
I let it slide cuz Aliens is a masterpiece, but this viewing in UHD made it more noticeable. :)
I noticed that long time ago but of course it's a masterpiece so I don't care as I don't care another unrealistic staff in the other movies because their are that... Movies
Quote from: aliens13 on Mar 30, 2024, 08:58:16 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 08:56:10 PMQuote from: aliens13 on Mar 30, 2024, 08:54:08 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 08:44:56 PMTakes a breath.. I have to say.. Aliens disappointed me a little this viewing. I had a hard time ignoring that The Queen should have snapped Ripley's leg off in the airlock scene when she is hanging from her leg.
Yes, but the fact that WY find Big Chap in space in Romulus ruins the movie because it's not realistic 😂 come on crazy stuff happens in all the movies, even in the great ones. People complains on Romulus only because is the new one
I let it slide cuz Aliens is a masterpiece, but this viewing in UHD made it more noticeable. :)
I noticed that long time ago but of course it's a masterpiece so I don't care as I don't care another unrealistic staff in the other movies because their are that... Movies
There is always stuff we have to overlook, I know. Just being honest about my last viewing.. hence I took a breath because you can't ever say negative stuff about Alien or Aliens.
It has never bothered me. It's just like blowing the shark up with a scuba tank in Jaws. It's a movie.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 09:00:04 PMQuote from: aliens13 on Mar 30, 2024, 08:58:16 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 08:56:10 PMQuote from: aliens13 on Mar 30, 2024, 08:54:08 PMQuote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 08:44:56 PMTakes a breath.. I have to say.. Aliens disappointed me a little this viewing. I had a hard time ignoring that The Queen should have snapped Ripley's leg off in the airlock scene when she is hanging from her leg.
Yes, but the fact that WY find Big Chap in space in Romulus ruins the movie because it's not realistic 😂 come on crazy stuff happens in all the movies, even in the great ones. People complains on Romulus only because is the new one
I let it slide cuz Aliens is a masterpiece, but this viewing in UHD made it more noticeable. :)
I noticed that long time ago but of course it's a masterpiece so I don't care as I don't care another unrealistic staff in the other movies because their are that... Movies
There is always stuff we have to overlook, I know. Just being honest about my last viewing.. hence I took a breath because you can't ever say negative stuff about Alien or Aliens.
Me too, and I include Alien³ to that list. The other day I watched Alien but in my phone with DVD quality (not so good) and I cannot stop loving it even more with every reviewing. Alien will be my favourite movie ever
Is it ever explained in Aliens that water or whatever liquid is around the facehuggers in Medlab neutralizes their ability to use acid to get through glass like on Kane's glass mask in Alien?
In the movie clearly not, in the EU maybe.
@Slutty Badger ?
They're stasis tubes which are supposed to be inescapable. Water diluting the pH of the acid is the simplest explanation.
Alien is just by far the most superior in the franchise. Aliens is another great one but it just doesn't strike the same chords
Quote from: E. Shaw on Mar 30, 2024, 09:06:58 PMIs it ever explained in Aliens that water or whatever liquid is around the facehuggers in Medlab neutralizes their ability to use acid to get through glass like on Kane's glass mask in Alien?
The Weyland-Yutani Report states that the tubes are filled with alkaloid nahcolite solution. So, yes!
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Mar 30, 2024, 06:54:33 PMQuote from: oduodu on Mar 30, 2024, 06:20:15 PMthe thing about a3 is that they should have included or done the cocooning scene. i m not sure: was that scene supposed to have egg morphing or normal facehugging?
from memory i it think was eggmorhing.....
There was supposed to be a cocoon scene wherein Ripley finds Andrews and the others hived up in the meeting tower. Apparently, some of the cocoons were even built for it.
Instead, the RPG mentions that Andrews, Boggs, and Rains were taken to a remote part of the facility and Ovomorphed.
Quote from: solace97 on Mar 31, 2024, 02:22:36 AMAlien is just by far the most superior in the franchise. Aliens is another great one but it just doesn't strike the same chords
You really don't get the Alien terror vibe till "They Cut The Power," and the Xenomorphs start charging without hesitation and pursue Ripley, Newt and The Marines with a vengeance. It is in those scenes, them busting the door and coming through air shafts you are like "holy Shiitaki!"
I understand what you mean, but don't you feel a bit of terror and oppression when the marines are attacked for the first time ? Pretty tense scene.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 02, 2024, 11:39:59 PMQuote from: solace97 on Mar 31, 2024, 02:22:36 AMAlien is just by far the most superior in the franchise. Aliens is another great one but it just doesn't strike the same chords
You really don't get the Alien terror vibe till "They Cut The Power," and the Xenomorphs start charging without hesitation and pursue Ripley, Newt and The Marines with a vengeance. It is in those scenes, them busting the door and coming through air shafts you are like "holy Shiitaki!"
"Don't get the Alien terror vibe..."that's all the first film was??? Aliens had a brief and brilliant moment with that opposed to a mostly action style film.
Unless I read that wrong and you're saying that's the only moment than my apologies
Quote from: solace97 on Apr 03, 2024, 07:42:31 AMQuote from: E. Shaw on Apr 02, 2024, 11:39:59 PMQuote from: solace97 on Mar 31, 2024, 02:22:36 AMAlien is just by far the most superior in the franchise. Aliens is another great one but it just doesn't strike the same chords
You really don't get the Alien terror vibe till "They Cut The Power," and the Xenomorphs start charging without hesitation and pursue Ripley, Newt and The Marines with a vengeance. It is in those scenes, them busting the door and coming through air shafts you are like "holy Shiitaki!"
"Don't get the Alien terror vibe..."that's all the first film was??? Aliens had a brief and brilliant moment with that opposed to a mostly action style film.
Unless I read that wrong and you're saying that's the only moment than my apologies
Yeah the only moment ai felt that terror return from Alien in Aliens is in "They Cut The Power," part. It is the moment it really becomes Aliens to me.
Quote from: E. Shaw on Apr 03, 2024, 07:48:03 AMQuote from: solace97 on Apr 03, 2024, 07:42:31 AMQuote from: E. Shaw on Apr 02, 2024, 11:39:59 PMQuote from: solace97 on Mar 31, 2024, 02:22:36 AMAlien is just by far the most superior in the franchise. Aliens is another great one but it just doesn't strike the same chords
You really don't get the Alien terror vibe till "They Cut The Power," and the Xenomorphs start charging without hesitation and pursue Ripley, Newt and The Marines with a vengeance. It is in those scenes, them busting the door and coming through air shafts you are like "holy Shiitaki!"
"Don't get the Alien terror vibe..."that's all the first film was??? Aliens had a brief and brilliant moment with that opposed to a mostly action style film.
Unless I read that wrong and you're saying that's the only moment than my apologies
Yeah the only moment ai felt that terror return from Alien in Aliens is in "They Cut The Power," part. It is the moment it really becomes Aliens to me.
Absolutely. There were little breadcrumbs leading up to it as well. Like when they first investigate and just find the aftermath of the aliens as well as the face huggers in the stasis tubes. But that cut the power scene really makes you feel the helplessness of what the Aliens make you feel
The Aliens waking up in the hive is also good nightmare fuel.
Oh, I love that part
Waking up in the hive, what? When does that happen?
Oh the Aliens waking.
Yeah, I got confused there too
I mean they were talking about scenes where the Aliens felt scary so it felt appropriate to refer to the Aliens as "them".
I thought you might have meant one of the other films for some reason, but yeah, that might be my favourite scene involving the creatures themselves.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 03, 2024, 08:59:00 AMThe Aliens waking up in the hive is also good nightmare fuel.
Medical Officer Dietrich getting snatched, is a favourite moment from ALIENS (along with Pilot Ferro's death, and Bishop 'speared'). Love those ambush attacks.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Apr 03, 2024, 11:21:22 AMQuote from: SiL on Apr 03, 2024, 08:59:00 AMThe Aliens waking up in the hive is also good nightmare fuel.
Medical Officer Dietrich getting snatched, is a favourite moment from ALIENS (along with Pilot Ferro's death, and Bishop 'speared'). Love those ambush attacks.
I would love to see more tail attacks and speared people in Romulus, from different angles etc. We haven't seen it in the movies that often.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 03, 2024, 12:05:28 PMQuote from: Elmazalman on Apr 03, 2024, 11:21:22 AMQuote from: SiL on Apr 03, 2024, 08:59:00 AMThe Aliens waking up in the hive is also good nightmare fuel.
Medical Officer Dietrich getting snatched, is a favourite moment from ALIENS (along with Pilot Ferro's death, and Bishop 'speared'). Love those ambush attacks.
I would love to see more tail attacks and speared people in Romulus, from different angles etc. We haven't seen it in the movies that often.
Would like to see the tail used as a whip (ALIEN) more often.
Quote from: Elmazalman on Apr 03, 2024, 01:05:37 PMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 03, 2024, 12:05:28 PMQuote from: Elmazalman on Apr 03, 2024, 11:21:22 AMQuote from: SiL on Apr 03, 2024, 08:59:00 AMThe Aliens waking up in the hive is also good nightmare fuel.
Medical Officer Dietrich getting snatched, is a favourite moment from ALIENS (along with Pilot Ferro's death, and Bishop 'speared'). Love those ambush attacks.
I would love to see more tail attacks and speared people in Romulus, from different angles etc. We haven't seen it in the movies that often.
Would like to see the tail used as a whip (ALIEN) more often.
"When a problem comes along
You must whip it
Before the cream sits out too long
You must whip it
When something's going wrong
You must whip it." -Devo
Going to watch Resurrection again soon. Wish me luck. How do others feel about it now?
I love it. Funny how it shares the name of one of the best trilogy ever.
Quote from: Huntsman on Apr 08, 2024, 09:37:31 AMGoing to watch Resurrection again soon. Wish me luck. How do others feel about it now?
No luck needed, just kick back and enjoy it on its own merits. Has a lot to offer as a Jean-Pierre Jeunet comic book movie.
Quote from: Huntsman on Apr 08, 2024, 09:37:31 AMGoing to watch Resurrection again soon. Wish me luck. How do others feel about it now?
It's got some of the best action bits in the franchise, and is just so weird and fun.
Not everything works, but it's an
Alien movie.
You can't go wrong.
Do not agree with the end of the franchise stuff, but agree with pretty much everything else though.
It does says it's really good on the preview image of the video, so can't go wrong ;D
Alien 3
Prometheus
Alien
Alien Covenant
Aliens
Alien Resurrection
I was asked once, if I could only watch one alien film for the rest of my life what would it be. I said Alien 3. I can still hear the audible gasps in my dreams.
Romulus could change this list forever.
Quote from: TheDerelict on Apr 12, 2024, 04:24:00 PMI was asked once, if I could only watch one alien film for the rest of my life what would it be. I said Alien 3
Good choice 8)
Quote from: TheDerelict on Apr 12, 2024, 04:24:00 PMAlien 3
Prometheus
Alien
Alien Covenant
Aliens
Alien Resurrection
I was asked once, if I could only watch one alien film for the rest of my life what would it be. I said Alien 3. I can still hear the audible gasps in my dreams.
Romulus could change this list forever.
Nice rank list!
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Quote from: TheDerelict on Apr 12, 2024, 04:24:00 PMAlien 3
Prometheus
Alien
Alien Covenant
Aliens
Alien Resurrection
Putting
Covenant BELOW
Prometheus?
This will NOT stand.
Quote from: Slutty Badger on Apr 12, 2024, 06:35:54 PMQuote from: TheDerelict on Apr 12, 2024, 04:24:00 PMAlien 3
Prometheus
Alien
Alien Covenant
Aliens
Alien Resurrection
Putting Covenant BELOW Prometheus?
This will NOT stand.
There are many aspects of Covenant that are better than Prometheus. But there are also things that annoy me. Despite both films flaws I like both fairly equally but feel that Prometheus tells a better story.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 12, 2024, 05:39:45 PMQuote from: TheDerelict on Apr 12, 2024, 04:24:00 PMAlien 3
Prometheus
Alien
Alien Covenant
Aliens
Alien Resurrection
I was asked once, if I could only watch one alien film for the rest of my life what would it be. I said Alien 3. I can still hear the audible gasps in my dreams.
Romulus could change this list forever.
Nice rank list!
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Are you part of the so called Alien³ cult?
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If there is such a thing...then yes.
Quote from: TheDerelict on Apr 12, 2024, 07:24:58 PMQuote from: Slutty Badger on Apr 12, 2024, 06:35:54 PMQuote from: TheDerelict on Apr 12, 2024, 04:24:00 PMAlien 3
Prometheus
Alien
Alien Covenant
Aliens
Alien Resurrection
Putting Covenant BELOW Prometheus?
This will NOT stand.
There are many aspects of Covenant that are better than Prometheus. But there are also things that annoy me. Despite both films flaws I like both fairly equally but feel that Prometheus tells a better story.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Apr 12, 2024, 05:39:45 PMQuote from: TheDerelict on Apr 12, 2024, 04:24:00 PMAlien 3
Prometheus
Alien
Alien Covenant
Aliens
Alien Resurrection
I was asked once, if I could only watch one alien film for the rest of my life what would it be. I said Alien 3. I can still hear the audible gasps in my dreams.
Romulus could change this list forever.
Nice rank list!
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Are you part of the so called Alien³ cult?
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If there is such a thing...then yes.
That's a great cult to be a part of. ;)
Come join us ! We ain't got no entertainment center, no climate control, no video system, no surveillance, no freezers, no f**king ice cream, no rubbers, no women, no guns. All we got here is SHIT !