Rebellion's position on further AVP support

Started by [REB]Trigger, Jul 21, 2010, 01:19:06 PM

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newbeing

Quote from: Adey on Jul 29, 2010, 06:25:52 PM
'Ill will' Well guess what that bright idea backfired didn't it? pc players do have a superior version now and it ain't fair.
*Really good idea, seriously Rebellion really good idea* - Sarcasm, God's greatest gift.

It wasn't Rebellion's decision...

Eldritch

QuoteFollowing the last patch for Consoles, we looked at feedback from community, customer service concerns, and decided that the game was stable and balanced to a point we were comfortable with. After this, Rebellion crafted an additional 2 PC patches as an experiment using their own in house resources to resolve some technical issues and provide an opportunity for PC players to see some minor balance changes. Given the AVP games were not cross platform, this didn't seem like it would alter the balance between console and PC products.

How the *BLEEP* can they consider the game to be balanced??? I play this game almost every day, but shut it off after about 4 minutes because of the insane "balance". It is a stupid game. No constructive criticism can be given because the game itself is not constructive :P

Glowing_Amraam

Unless you're playing on the console, i find the pc version to be quite balanced, even though there are a few things that could be tweaked (like bullets KNOCKING an alien over) ..

S.Y.L

Quote from: Adey on Jul 29, 2010, 06:25:52 PM
'Ill will' Well guess what that bright idea backfired didn't it? pc players do have a superior version now and it ain't fair.
*Really good idea, seriously Rebellion really good idea* - Sarcasm, God's greatest gift.

damned if we do, damned if we don`t  ::)

Corporal Hicks

How about we read and consider before we shout our mouths off, Adey? Rebellion had been trying to support the fans with additional patches. They could freely do it on the PC but had to get Sega to approve the console patches. Not their fault Sega decided not to.

xenotool

sega's comfortable with a console game with an ancient matchmaking system and a multiplayer that's completely stilted?


I must find out what they're smoking and procure some, cuz it must be STRONG.

Adey

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 30, 2010, 07:31:14 AM
How about we read and consider before we shout our mouths off, Adey? Rebellion had been trying to support the fans with additional patches. They could freely do it on the PC but had to get Sega to approve the console patches. Not their fault Sega decided not to.
Yes it is, as in the post you put Rebellion said they made the decision to patch 5 the pc and not consoles as there weren't any plans by them to do another patch for consoles as they thought it was already balanced enough on consoles, so you try reading the Rebellion quote you posted. 

It was Rebellions decision this is also aimed @NEWBEING
Read the Rebellion quote that Hicks posted.

Adey

Adey

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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 29, 2010, 06:20:26 PM
QuoteAfter discussion internally and with Rebellion, we'd like to address the AVP concerns regarding patches:

Following the last patch for Consoles, we looked at feedback from community, customer service concerns, and decided that the game was stable and balanced to a point we were comfortable with. After this, Rebellion crafted an additional 2 PC patches as an experiment using their own in house resources to resolve some technical issues and provide an opportunity for PC players to see some minor balance changes. Given the AVP games were not cross platform, this didn't seem like it would alter the balance between console and PC products.

It was never our intention to give PC games a superior version while console owners are left out. We had no plans to work on another console patch for AvP - the PC update was meant as a favor without wanting console users to feel bad about the update. We are and we have always been very sympathetic with our awesome console community and had not intended to make them feel left out in these changes. We're sorry for any ill will towards the product and ultimately wanted players to enjoy the game as it was intended across the 3 platforms.

http://forums.sega.com/showthread.php?t=334286&page=23
See Rebellion decided to do patch 4/5 for pc off their own back and using their own resources Sega wasn't involved in patches 4/5.

Corporal Hicks

Quote from: Adey on Jul 30, 2010, 01:41:39 PM
Yes it is, as in the post you put Rebellion said they made the decision to patch 5 the pc and not consoles as there weren't any plans by them to do another patch for consoles as they thought it was already balanced enough on consoles, so you try reading the Rebellion quote you posted. 

The quote I posted was from Sega dude.

stemot

Quote from: Adey on Jul 30, 2010, 01:44:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 29, 2010, 06:20:26 PM
QuoteAfter discussion internally and with Rebellion, we'd like to address the AVP concerns regarding patches:

Following the last patch for Consoles, we looked at feedback from community, customer service concerns, and decided that the game was stable and balanced to a point we were comfortable with. After this, Rebellion crafted an additional 2 PC patches as an experiment using their own in house resources to resolve some technical issues and provide an opportunity for PC players to see some minor balance changes. Given the AVP games were not cross platform, this didn't seem like it would alter the balance between console and PC products.

It was never our intention to give PC games a superior version while console owners are left out. We had no plans to work on another console patch for AvP - the PC update was meant as a favor without wanting console users to feel bad about the update. We are and we have always been very sympathetic with our awesome console community and had not intended to make them feel left out in these changes. We're sorry for any ill will towards the product and ultimately wanted players to enjoy the game as it was intended across the 3 platforms.

http://forums.sega.com/showthread.php?t=334286&page=23
See Rebellion decided to do patch 4/5 for pc off their own back and using their own resources Sega wasn't involved in patches 4/5.

Sega would still be involved on the last couple of PC patches. The patches still would have needed to be Greenlit by SEGA regardless of Rebellions funding.

newbeing

Quote from: Adey on Jul 30, 2010, 01:44:09 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 29, 2010, 06:20:26 PM
QuoteAfter discussion internally and with Rebellion, we'd like to address the AVP concerns regarding patches:

Following the last patch for Consoles, we looked at feedback from community, customer service concerns, and decided that the game was stable and balanced to a point we were comfortable with. After this, Rebellion crafted an additional 2 PC patches as an experiment using their own in house resources to resolve some technical issues and provide an opportunity for PC players to see some minor balance changes. Given the AVP games were not cross platform, this didn't seem like it would alter the balance between console and PC products.

It was never our intention to give PC games a superior version while console owners are left out. We had no plans to work on another console patch for AvP - the PC update was meant as a favor without wanting console users to feel bad about the update. We are and we have always been very sympathetic with our awesome console community and had not intended to make them feel left out in these changes. We're sorry for any ill will towards the product and ultimately wanted players to enjoy the game as it was intended across the 3 platforms.

http://forums.sega.com/showthread.php?t=334286&page=23
See Rebellion decided to do patch 4/5 for pc off their own back and using their own resources Sega wasn't involved in patches 4/5.

Rebellion was able to release those patches because it probably cost them and Sega next to nothing . Rebellion probably would have if they hadn't already developed the patch for Consoles, but if Sega isn't willing to pay Microsoft or Sony to release the patch what would the point be in Rebellion working on a patch 4/5 for consoles? It would just be a waste of time.

Adey

i know Sega wrote it and they said Rebellion did it with their own resources as a favour to pc players and also as an experiment. How can you not see it was Rebellion who made the decision to do patch 4/5.
It's Rebellions fault get over it.

stemot

Quote from: Adey on Jul 30, 2010, 08:50:49 PM
i know Sega wrote it and they said Rebellion did it with their own resources as a favour to pc players and also as an experiment. How can you not see it was Rebellion who made the decision to do patch 4/5.
It's Rebellions fault get over it.

Rebellion cannot even start to patch the game without Permission from SEGA. Whether or not Rebellion funded the PC patch or not the final decision on whether those PC patches saw the light of day was down to SEGA, The same SEGA which could then have funded the patch on consoles. The only thing Rebellion did was try to continue to support the game, it was SEGA he dropped the support, not Rebellion. Nothing in this situation is the fault of Rebellion. I'll say it one last time, any decision made on support of a published game, funded by the developer or not ultimately rests with the publisher NOT THE DEVELOPER. How hard is this to comprehend.

Adey

Adey

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They can on pc as it was free and sega didn't need to foot the bill so were happy to let Rebellion do it. They clearly state it was Rebellion's idea to tweak the pc version as a favour to the pc players. Yes Sega dropped the support for consoles but they told Rebellion this and Rebellion still went ahead with patches 4/5 when they knew it wouldn't be fair. Rebellion should not have done this unless they were prepared to put their own money into the same patches for consoles, cos it is a favour to pc players. So yes i agree it's Sega's fault for dropping support but it's Rebellion's fault for going ahead with patches 4/5 for pc which now makes it a superior version.

stemot

Quote from: Adey on Jul 31, 2010, 02:18:56 PM
They can on pc as it was free and sega didn't need to foot the bill so were happy to let Rebellion do it. They clearly state it was Rebellion's idea to tweak the pc version as a favour to the pc players. Yes Sega dropped the support for consoles but they told Rebellion this and Rebellion still went ahead with patches 4/5 when they knew it wouldn't be fair. Rebellion should not have done this unless they were prepared to put their own money into the same patches for consoles, cos it is a favour to pc players. So yes i agree it's Sega's fault for dropping support but it's Rebellion's fault for going ahead with patches 4/5 for pc which now makes it a superior version.

Your not getting it, Rebellion didn't just do what the f**k they liked, they needed authorisation and Q/A from SEGA whether it was funded by them or not. Rebellion were patching a SEGA published game, SEGA HAD to give them permission to patch the PC version.

Rebellion would be happy to continue patching all versions, SEGA would only let them do the PC version provided Rebellion did it with their own money. Simple.

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