Poll
Question:
Which is your least fave movie of the whole franchise?
Option 1: Predator
votes: 6
Option 2: Predator 2
votes: 15
Option 3: AvP: Alien vs. Predator
votes: 51
Option 4: AvPR: Aliens vs. Predator - Requiem
votes: 270
Option 5: Alien
votes: 9
Option 6: Aliens
votes: 7
Option 7: Alien³
votes: 37
Option 8: Alien Resurrection
votes: 101
Option 9: Predators
votes: 12
Option 10: Prometheus
votes: 25
Option 11: Alien Covenant
votes: 12
Option 12: The Predator
votes: 34
Same premise as before, but I'm interested as to what the least favourite will be. I'm guessing it'll either be AvP or A:R.
For me is Alien because of it's slow passing through the movie and the creature doesn't seem scary at all but I respect the movie what it is.
Alien Resurrection is my least favorite.
I voted for AVP-R because
1. Sometimes in the movie it is just to dark to see what is going on.
2. The rooftop battle at the end is pretty disappointing.
3. The acting was awful.
4. Quite a lot of the confrontations between the Aliens/Predalien and Wolf are to short.
I did like a couple of things about the movie but it disappointed me overall.
I'd say alien ressurection ::). I found it boring and a complete waste of time. :(
A:R just annoyed me. Don't think I liked any of it.
I voted AvP:R it's stupidly dark and hate that people in the UK are getting f**ked over with DVD.
AvPR all the way. Nothing will be as bad as that.
:o Don't say that Darkness, you don't know what the future will hold! Besides people thought that it couldn't get much worse than the first one. I guess they were proven wrong.
Anyway as you've probably guessed I still haven't voted yet. It's either Alien3 or AvPR... hmm... oh I know which one!
Alien Ressurection. I'd rather squeeze the nutrients from my poo and drink it than watch that film again.
^ lol
My least favorites are AVP and AVPR
AVP
Quote from: Darkness on Apr 22, 2008, 06:26:40 PM
AvPR all the way. Nothing will be as bad as that.
AvP 3 will. It will be Jason X with Aliens and Predators.
Quote from: Pvt. Hicks on Apr 23, 2008, 12:15:40 AM
Quote from: Darkness on Apr 22, 2008, 06:26:40 PM
AvPR all the way. Nothing will be as bad as that.
AvP 3 will. It will be Jason X with Aliens and Predators.
You don't know that. Maybe a awesome director like Christopher Nolan or Paul Verhoeven will direct it.
Quote from: Darkness on Apr 22, 2008, 06:26:40 PM
AvPR all the way. Nothing will be as bad as that.
I disagee with you on that. Any movie from Uwe Boll and Battlefield Earth are worst then AVPR IMO.
I think he meant out of the AVP franchise.
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 23, 2008, 01:29:07 AM
I think he meant out of the AVP franchise.
I thought you mean movies in general.
AvPR all the way,
Hands down, AvPR
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 23, 2008, 01:34:40 AM
Quote from: That Yellow Alien on Apr 23, 2008, 01:29:07 AM
I think he meant out of the AVP franchise.
I thought you mean movies in general.
Nope.
In response to the thread: AvP-R.
anyone else find it kind of funny that Alien and Aliens have two votes each, but Alien 3 has none?
Alien versus Predator. Anderson can suddenly make good films until he's 99, and I'd still have problems letting go of the fact that he wrote that steaming pile of filth.
No question...AvPR.
None of the others come close to the depths of that haphazard mess. I watched a little of AvP the other day, and I'll be damned if I wasn't more forgiving of it than I used to be. Never thought I'd see the day, frankly.
Resurrection for me i hated the newborn :(
predator, it was the slowest, least scary/suspenceful/exciting movie of the 8
easily avp-r was the worst.
Wow... Alien3 remains untouched. (until later)
Quote from: megachu17 on Apr 25, 2008, 01:11:05 AM
predator, it was the slowest, least scary/suspenceful/exciting movie of the 8
...
I ...
What?
What?
You haven't seen the movie. Period.
Quote from: War Wager on Apr 25, 2008, 02:12:52 PM
Wow... Alien3 remains untouched. (until later)
Meaning that Alien 3 is better, go Alien 3 ;D
Alien 3 was okay, but I'm suprised people voted for Alien and Aliens
oh well I suppose it's their opinion
It's a tie for me b/w AvP and A:R.
Quote from: AVPVT Extinction on Apr 22, 2008, 04:41:54 PM
For me is Alien because of it's slow passing through the movie and the creature doesn't seem scary at all but I respect the movie what it is.
Wow really? That's funny, because I find myself bored watching The Godsend & think that is a little outdated, while I would watch Alien hundreds of times and it never loses it's flavor. Alien blew my mind alway due to amazing artwork and amazing specail effects.
I felt the same way when I watched Alien for the first time, so I don't blame the guy. It was only after I learnt about its background and what it did for sci-fi films did I understand its impact.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 28, 2008, 04:38:37 PM
I felt the same way when I watched Alien for the first time, so I don't blame the guy. It was only after I learnt about its background and what it did for sci-fi films did I understand its impact.
me too i always prefered aliens though alien started it all its still a good movie though ;D
*covers ears*
I'm not listening! I'm not listening!
That's ok, you're not supposed to.
"You're a lair, and a theif!"
I never thought Alien was borning. It slow at first but most horror movies like Psycho and Jaws are just like that as well.
That's exactly why it works 8)
Quote from: Aeus on Apr 22, 2008, 09:26:51 PM
Alien Ressurection. I'd rather squeeze the nutrients from my poo and drink it than watch that film again.
Seconded.
Quote from: Ratchetcomand on Apr 28, 2008, 09:29:21 PM
I never thought Alien was borning. It slow at first but most horror movies like Psycho and Jaws are just like that as well.
It was a good movie slow but suspenseful ;D
Alien Ressurection. Easily. I haven't watched it since 2005. Three damn years. I hate it. Turd coloured Aliens, Newborn, Ripley and her clones. Ripley's story ended with Alien 3. I will never soil my eyes with this piece of crappy film ever again. Unless I want a laugh or if I wnat to see how bad it is once again.
hmm, AVPR is a close econd, but i dont like predator. AVPR was bad, but it kind of grows on you after a long while, like AR
Alien Resurrection, that movie was just hella boring, I remember seeing it in theatre.
I don't understand the A:R hate - sure, it's a bad alien movie, but the visual effects and cinematography are spectacular and Sigourney Weaver's, Ron Perlman's, Brad Dourif's and the other actor's performances are always fun.
For me the worst is AVPR - what a piece of shit movie that is. Followed by Predator 2.
Quote from: gameoverman on May 19, 2008, 02:00:14 PM
I don't understand the A:R hate - sure, it's a bad alien movie, but the visual effects and cinematography are spectacular and Sigourney Weaver's, Ron Perlman's, Brad Dourif's and the other actor's performances are always fun.
The Newborn was the biggest strike against it and the movie's plot on the whole just sucked.
i voted alien resurection, it was boring, horrible storyline and the newborn was creepy, but afterthat, my advice to anyone thinking of watching those moves is to skip 1, 3, and rez and just see 2.
I'd say the exact opposite, if you want to see Aliens do what they do best, skip 2 and watch 1, 3 and 4. :P
If you're serious about seeing an Alien at it's best, you can't beat 1 IMO.
A:R is horrible forever.
Badly designed aliens
THE NEWBORN
Bad acting (Aside from Weaver)
Plot that goes nowhere
I could go on and on.
Alien is a masterpice on every level. I never seen such amazing artwork in any movie since 2001.
Quote from: Weasel on May 19, 2008, 09:52:10 PM
A:R is horrible forever.
Badly designed aliens
THE NEWBORN
Bad acting (Aside from Weaver)
Plot that goes nowhere
I could go on and on.
Scratch the Newborn, and you can say the same things about AvP:R.
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 19, 2008, 11:42:48 PM
Quote from: Weasel on May 19, 2008, 09:52:10 PM
A:R is horrible forever.
Badly designed aliens
THE NEWBORN
Bad acting (Aside from Weaver)
Plot that goes nowhere
I could go on and on.
I liked the aliens design. And aside from the underwater scene, the action in A:R is extremely lacking, unlike AVPR.
Scratch the Newborn, and you can say the same things about AvP:R.
Alien Resurrection is EPIC compared to AVP:R. It's not just a matter of action.
A:R actually has some thought and imagination behind it. AVP:R is generic, slasher movie crap.
A:R tried to do something different - AVPR was just scene after scene of homages to better movies.
If A:R didn't have aliens in it or Ripley, and was a standalone movie - it would probably be a cult classic like City of Lost Children.
A:R was stupid man. Like honestly, what was the use in even making it?? As if A3 wasn't a useless sequel enough, Fox hands us A:R and I go WTF. At least the AvP movies wanted to try something totally different.
Quote from: gameoverman on May 20, 2008, 04:00:30 AM
Alien Resurrection is EPIC compared to AVP:R. It's not just a matter of action.
A:R actually has some thought and imagination behind it. AVP:R is generic, slasher movie crap.
A:R tried to do something different - AVPR was just scene after scene of homages to better movies.
If A:R didn't have aliens in it or Ripley, and was a standalone movie - it would probably be a cult classic like City of Lost Children.
Are you kidding me?! A cult classic? Thats a crock of shit. A:R sure tried something new, a f**king HUMAN ALIEN HYBRID. Honestly, think about that for a sec.
And the plot?! They find some blood and it contains the alien inside her perfectly? The 'we have to get off the ship' is just a shit version of alien. The aliens look far worse in this movie than in AVPR. I mean, they made this movie just to make a buck. Ripley is dead, and some genius has an idea that they'll just reincarnate her. This completely f**ks over the deepness of the ending of Alien 3. There might as well not been an Alien 3 the way A:R just makes it POINTLESS. She kills herself so they won't get it, and guess what, they end up getting it!
Without Weaver this movie has no carry value whatsoever. I mean, the end sequence where that guy grabs the baddie and then forces his chestburster through him is so cheesy and stupid I can barely stand it. The newborn is the worst creation ever made. Oh the gift to the queen was that she can now get preggo and make a stupid ass xenohuman? Think about it. No really, think about how really dumb that idea is.
While AVPR doesn't have a great plot, and the acting is shit, it delivers on action, and doesn't f**k with anything else. The predalien idea of new reproduction is imaginative and something new. The idea for a new alien in alien 3 was almost similar in fashion. Giger would be proud. A:R should never have been made and leaves it where it will die. Now that alien 5 will never happen, we can conclude that the arch of alien ends that Ripley ends up on earth. Except she isn't ripley, shes a f**ked up subhuman with alien traits that likes to be creepy and isn't right in the head.
AVPR didn't add, but at least it didn't negate.
I hate the hole idea that how the clone aliens and try to train them as pets. And Ripley with human DNA was a stupid idea. The movie was a cross between Jurassic Park, The 6th day and Species.
Alien 3. I didn't like the ending, or any of it for that matter. The Alien itself was small and lame. 8)
We have a poll already asking your favourite, but I'm curious to hear what your least favourite is! which movie you hated, or which movie you didn't mind but.... doesn't get much chance on your DvD player.
You do realise the only choice you would have needed to put up was AvP:R right? :D
I dunno I liked AvP less... Let's take 1 R rated movie franchise, and mix it with another R rated franchise... and make it rated PG-13! :-\
Alien Ressurection for me.
The AvP films may have damaged the Predators stance (In my eyes) but not so much for Alien...
Ressurection for me as well. It's a fun movie, but was highly useless in telling Ripley's story. AVP is alright but I like AVPR better. Not that it was great, but better.
Quote from: Oooodz on Jul 29, 2009, 01:19:21 PM
Alien Ressurection for me.
The AvP films may have damaged the Predators stance (In my eyes) but not so much for Alien...
Except that the AVP movies lowered the aliens IQ.
My vote goes for AVP-R. The one film i refuse to purchase even if it only costs $3.99
Definitely AVP:R - it was absolutely terrible + turned the franchise into a Slasher flick which is not what Alien or Predator is supposed to be.
AVPR, nuff said.
And the fans did cry out to Fox 'Wtf is up with this PG-13 shit?'
And Fox did ponder
And the Strauses did come forward, saying unto Fox 'We have red paint! Lots of it!'
And the fans did cry 'Yes! Bring on the gore, man!'
And thus was AVPR birthed.
Serves you all right.
Resurrection was bad, but at least it had a decent pace. Unlike the ever booring AvP.
Weaver is also a plus.
AvP R will always be the worst.
AVPR(ectum)
haven't bothered to waste money buying it and I never will.
Alien: Resurrection
Newborn is utter shit.
Hmm. Well I prefer it to Chet and his(?) army of hillbilly aliens...but that's just me.
Chet is apparantly a girl.
I didn't even need to think about my choice, split second and Bam. Voted for AvPR.
I'm pretty sure I am the only person who really really liked AvP-R. Hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion... so here's mine.. when I first saw AvP opening night I admit that I loved every minute of it. ONLY for the fact that I was actually watching an actual Alien vs. Predator movie. The first time on screen together. Ever. It was great.. until I saw it a second time the next week. Then I hated it. The PG13 thing just irritated me to no end like everyone else, and the predators looked terrible. They were all neat and clean looking. Like they all just polished their armor. and WTF with the meter long wristblades?? (eff em. Dumb. They were badass to begin with. You didn't see the first two predators super-size for just a quarter more, they were doing just fine with the large.) Two of the three predators get killed within ten or so minutes of their first appearance on screen. Please, the Predator is one bad mo-fo and I refuse to believe that just a few aliens can beat down TWO in ten minutes. Now, if they're meant to be young and doing their first training or so to prove themselves worthy of the hunt..? Well then maybe I can believe they got pwned early on, and deservedly so. And am I the only one who had a HUGE problem with the make up effects of the Predator's face at the end?? That looked NOWHERE near the asscrack of as cool as the makeup of the first two Predator films. That was a disgrace... and I know the whole Predator joining forces with the human is based off the comics (yes I've read them), but I just personally don't like the idea of the Predator hangin out with humans. The predator is a badass.. not your friend.. which brings me to AvP-R...the news of its R rating was a relief, but I give no points for that because any and all Aliens/Predator movies SHOULD be R. The redband trailer when I first saw it got me hooked. I was in the theatre on christmas day. Eff my family, there's a new AvP. It may be morbid, but I like the fact that the little boy hunting with his father gets killed because it's not normal for children to die in many horror films. I was worried about the PredAlien before I seen the movie, but afterwards (and watching the special features on the dvd) I really have no complaints. Well done I say. The fact that there was only ONE predator cleaning up shop was awesome. A seasoned one at that. The look and feel of the Predator (stance, movement, lingering) mirrored the earlier films and the new weaponry was excellent. Although the Predator's seemingly never-ending vial of magic blue juice was kinda dumb. Oh, and I don't recall any skinned humans in the first AvP.. at the very least someone got skinned this time. Would've been nice to see the Predator take a trophy or two. And they even incorporated some of the old sounds from the earlier, better films. It just seems that the directors of AvP-R wanted to fix all that I thought was wrong with the first movie. It's like they were in me head, pokin around n stuff. I know this little census is only twenty or so people's opinions, but it just seems that every time I find myself in the middle of an Alien/Predator conversation I learn of one more person who absolutely hates AvP-R and I just don't get it. Everyone has their reasons, but the first AvP was just so much worse than AvP-R. Can't we just really really hate the first one, and not the second? If anything, Fox just needs to start FRESH with the AvP movies, but there's no hope of that until after the next two sequels are out. Which I'll remain hopeful and open minded about.. maybe. Hmm. This is a really long post... and I just registered to this site...but who is a bigger loser, me for sitting here typing all this out? or you for reading it until the end?
Quote from: Weasel on Jul 31, 2009, 01:58:22 AM
Alien: Resurrection
Newborn is utter shit.
Good call. Huge disappointment. Fail.
Oh, and whoever voted Alien3 is a girl. Probably an ugly one, too.
Quote from: saeytan2 on Aug 03, 2009, 04:58:30 AM
Quote from: Weasel on Jul 31, 2009, 01:58:22 AM
Alien: Resurrection
Newborn is utter shit.
Good call. Huge disappointment. Fail.
Oh, and whoever voted Alien3 is a girl. Probably an ugly one, too.
Um... + how old are we?
AVP:R all the way.
Alien3 had its good points as did Alien:Ressurrection, although A:R really stuck out in the franchise. It was kind of like the Alien alone version of AVP:R....except better. But if we're talking about which species I'd rather have kill me (Predalien or Newborn), I'd rather have the Newborn because then I could have a chance of running away while it cleaned itself.
older.
So out of every movie to feature our beloved creatures, which one was the biggest slap to the face?
Yes I put even Alien, Predator, and Aliens on the poll just for the hell of it.
Watching Alien:R for the first time inspired this poll so there is my vote.
The broken one.
AvPR.
AVPR
AVP:R(ectum)
Jeez AvP:R was bad but I thought A:R would be way ahead, I mean it was just so Bizarre and just overall pretty terrible.
I loathe AR/P2/AVP/AVPR equally, but AVPR is the worst movie out of all of them.
Quote from: JediMasterGabe on Mar 21, 2010, 02:26:57 AM
Jeez AvP:R was bad but I thought A:R would be way ahead, I mean it was just so Bizarre and just overall pretty terrible.
AR is a good movie trapped in the confines of an existing series.
AvPR is a wretched pile of shit any way you cut it.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 21, 2010, 02:31:58 AM
Quote from: JediMasterGabe on Mar 21, 2010, 02:26:57 AM
Jeez AvP:R was bad but I thought A:R would be way ahead, I mean it was just so Bizarre and just overall pretty terrible.
AR is a good movie trapped in the confines of an existing series.
AvPR is a wretched pile of shit any way you cut it.
Yea maybe AR would have been better by itself, but I still thought it was super weird and took way too many liberties with the Xenomorph species, I mean come on the Hybrid was a piece of crap and Ripley's character was only slightly less weird.
I still say AvP.
But both AvPs are turds in their own right.
Alien Vs. Predator Requiem is the only one in this poll which is not in my list of favourite films.
It's not even a fair contest, with the others all being films of varying degrees of quality and AvPR being a 'thing' ...a cinematic monstrosity.
Surely the Strauses had a secret plan all along; to prove that AvP wasn't the worst it could get. ;)
This is kicking a freak that is on the ground, really. -AvP-r-. A1/A-s/A3/A:R/P1/P2 don`t belong here IMO.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 21, 2010, 02:31:58 AM
AR is a good movie trapped in the confines of an existing series.
Goddamn it Joss, if you're gonna write an
Alien film, write an
Alien film.
AvP:R is ridiculous.
AvP:R.
The one and only really bad movie IMHO.
AVP, that movie is an insult to all the previous alien and predator movies and everything they stood for.
Wow I really didn't think it would be so lopsided for AvPR. Probably should have taken the AvP's off the list.
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 21, 2010, 02:40:37 PM
AVP, that movie is an insult to all the previous alien and predator movies and everything they stood for.
And how exactly is AVP:R not more so?
I watched the first 20 odd minutes of AvP:Poo on the weekend (it's for research - honest!!).
In Hindi. So won't comment on several things in the script not making much sense. And since I was watching a stream, it's probably not fair to comment on how dark it was.
But what I saw was so incredibly disjointed. And that dude's arm dropping off cos of the acid was so laughably bad.
Who the hell voted Aliens?
Quote from: Spaghetti on Mar 21, 2010, 10:18:40 PM
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 21, 2010, 02:40:37 PM
AVP, that movie is an insult to all the previous alien and predator movies and everything they stood for.
And how exactly is AVP:R not more so?
Agreed. AvP had it's flaws but my biggest problem with AvP:R was how it treated Aliens like these overgrown, pathetic insects that any idiot who picks up a gun can kill with ease.
Quote from: JediMasterGabe on Mar 21, 2010, 10:55:44 PM
Quote from: Spaghetti on Mar 21, 2010, 10:18:40 PM
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 21, 2010, 02:40:37 PM
AVP, that movie is an insult to all the previous alien and predator movies and everything they stood for.
And how exactly is AVP:R not more so?
Agreed. AvP had it's flaws but my biggest problem with AvP:R was how it treated Aliens like these overgrown, pathetic insects that any idiot who picks up a gun can kill with ease.
DONT tell me that some aliens which get blown up easily are a bigger insult to alien fanboys than an alien which gets ripped appart and USED as a weapon and shield. At this point, there was nothing scary about aliens anymore, a HUMAN uses an ALIEN as a WEAPON and SHIELD. Think about that for a second and then repeat what you sayed. Not to mention the lovestory between predator and human.
It was dead. It wasn't like Lex was using it as a hostage.
Mind you the manner in which she killed it was completely f**ktarded but anyway...
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 22, 2010, 12:03:15 AM
DONT tell me that some aliens which get blown up easily are a bigger insult to alien fanboys than an alien which gets ripped appart and USED as a weapon and shield.
Snake's get used for boots, bears get used for rugs.
That doesnt mean I am not afraid of them anymore. That doesnt mean they cant be dangerous anymore. It certainly doesnt mean they arent terrifying creatures anymore.
What made that scene ridiculous is that Lex just sorta "Eh" haphazardly impaled it.
Who. Voted. For. ALIENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 22, 2010, 12:03:15 AM
Quote from: JediMasterGabe on Mar 21, 2010, 10:55:44 PM
Quote from: Spaghetti on Mar 21, 2010, 10:18:40 PM
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 21, 2010, 02:40:37 PM
AVP, that movie is an insult to all the previous alien and predator movies and everything they stood for.
And how exactly is AVP:R not more so?
Agreed. AvP had it's flaws but my biggest problem with AvP:R was how it treated Aliens like these overgrown, pathetic insects that any idiot who picks up a gun can kill with ease.
DONT tell me that some aliens which get blown up easily are a bigger insult to alien fanboys than an alien which gets ripped appart and USED as a weapon and shield. At this point, there was nothing scary about aliens anymore, a HUMAN uses an ALIEN as a WEAPON and SHIELD. Think about that for a second and then repeat what you sayed. Not to mention the lovestory between predator and human.
Well the way she killed the Alien was kinda stupid, but the Predator was the one that tore it apart, and she never even uses the spear so... yea. And there was no love story, they just teamed up.
And Who the Hell voted Aliens!!!!!!!
Quote from: JediMasterGabe on Mar 22, 2010, 01:23:25 AM
and she never even uses the spear so... yea.
She did, against the Queen.
Quote from: Crainy on Mar 22, 2010, 12:03:15 AM
DONT tell me that some aliens which get blown up easily are a bigger insult to alien fanboys than an alien which gets ripped appart and USED as a weapon and shield.
No, you're right, they aren't.
Aliens that hang on the ends of a Predator's arms and do
f**k all to defend themselves in the
entire f**king movie to the point where it gets most of them
killed, however,
is a bigger insult.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Mar 22, 2010, 03:30:41 AM
Quote from: JediMasterGabe on Mar 22, 2010, 01:23:25 AM
and she never even uses the spear so... yea.
She did, against the Queen.
Oh yea, my bad. But I still don't get how just because parts of the Alien are used as weapons it's an insult to the creature. I guess you felt the same way in P2 when Danny Glover uses the smart disc?
Shouldn't this topic suppose to be on the General Alien/Predator Discussion Thread?
Anyway, the worst movie of all Alien/Predator films in my opinion has to be AVPR, because it had a bad story, bad actors, bad directors, bad producers, bad Aliens, bad Predators, bad lighting, bad dialogue, bad characters, etc.
AVP is the worst.
Quote from: #6.0 on Mar 22, 2010, 12:33:36 AM
Who. Voted. For. ALIENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bump
Quote from: JediMasterGabe on Mar 22, 2010, 08:45:16 PM
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Mar 22, 2010, 03:30:41 AM
Quote from: JediMasterGabe on Mar 22, 2010, 01:23:25 AM
and she never even uses the spear so... yea.
She did, against the Queen.
Oh yea, my bad. But I still don't get how just because parts of the Alien are used as weapons it's an insult to the creature. I guess you felt the same way in P2 when Danny Glover uses the smart disc?
Not exactly thesame. But if Dany took predator`s maks and use it to beat poor pussyface to the death then situation would be different.
The avp 'series' Can't choose.
QuoteOh yea, my bad. But I still don't get how just because parts of the Alien are used as weapons it's an insult to the creature. I guess you felt the same way in P2 when Danny Glover uses the smart disc?
Why? It was a battle for life and death, everything was fair. And it didn't look silly or humiliating.
The alien shield-spear was ridiculous though. And I felt like the alien was made fun of like that.
I'll right somesones gonna get shot who voted Aliens?
AVP was by far the worst. I hated the concept of predator teaming with an human.
As for AVPR it was bad but I don't think it was that bad. The only negatives were bad acting,I mean awful acting, to many homages to the old movies and so, and some average joes kicking alien ass like they were pros. I loved the fight scenes in the movie though. I think most alien fans hated it because aliens were being blasted nonstop
Quote from: #6.0 on Mar 22, 2010, 12:33:36 AM
Who. Voted. For. ALIENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trolls.
Quote from: Predalien91 on Mar 25, 2010, 01:01:24 PM
I think most alien fans hated it because aliens were being blasted nonstop
I think you know full well that is not the reason. It's not as though it is just Alien fans that hated it. People of all persuasions all over the world hated it. :)
AVP:R i just cant watch it.
But
Wolf was cool.
Wolf's mask was really cool :) love the markings.
Quote from: Uncanny Antman on Mar 25, 2010, 01:06:03 PM
Quote from: Predalien91 on Mar 25, 2010, 01:01:24 PM
I think most alien fans hated it because aliens were being blasted nonstop
I think you know full well that is not the reason. It's not as though it is just Alien fans that hated it. People of all persuasions all over the world hated it. :)
Bingo. AvPR had a such corny plot with corny characters developed and showed corny, with horrific cinematography and good animatronics (the only good thing) and bad cgi.
My least favorite was AVP.
And seriously who the hell voted for Aliens? That better be for the lulz
AVPR... what do I need to say that hasn't been said about this f**king insult of a movie. The only thing cool was Chet and Wolf.
Weren't they the two main elements? They were "cool" and movie was a "f**king insult"?
Quote from: SM on Mar 26, 2010, 05:36:49 AM
Weren't they the two main elements? They were "cool" and movie was a "f**king insult"?
No. What about the plot or the shit-ass dialouge. What I MEANT was that the characters looked cool.
Well that's different.
I disagree completely, but that makes sense now. :)
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 25, 2010, 01:04:11 PM
Quote from: #6.0 on Mar 22, 2010, 12:33:36 AM
Who. Voted. For. ALIENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trolls.
And people think ima troll. ::)
I voted for AVP:R but in my honest opinion why do you have to like Aliens?
It doesn't make you a troll. A fan can like AVP:R and hate Alien and Predator. There is no " doctrine " of what makes you an Alien , Predator or AVP fan.
Some people need the learn this fact.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion i was just curious as to who did vote for Aliens. To claim its the worst out of all those films is a bold statement and id just be curious as to their reasons. Its personal preference though and so what the majority of people like doesnt mean everybody will. I would like to genuinely hear why somebody thinks Aliens is the worst. Probably start a shit storm if they did try and explain so probably best to be left alone.
Quote from: JediMasterGabe on Mar 21, 2010, 10:50:30 PM
Who the hell voted Aliens?
We'll find him...
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Quote from: JediMasterGabe on Mar 21, 2010, 10:50:30 PM
Who the hell voted Aliens?
We'll find him...
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You made me burst into laughter, just to mention :D :D :D
Wow I know you guys are joking but whats the matter. Aliens was a good film and to be honest I didn't mind it but I don't understand all the love for it.
IMO it butchered Giger's Alien and turned into a bug. Not saying the concept is bad ... just more primitive.
Whatever.
What i like about Aliens is, that it went into different direction, but it got quite standard 80's action movie, nothing wrong with that, but Alien is so much more fascinating. Atleast it's well made sequel.
No doubt AvP:R is the worst Alien/Predator film. Perfect example how NOT to make an AvP movie.
In Alien 3, i was so happy, that they killed off Newt, because i hated her in Aliens, but i was pissed off, that they killed off Hicks too!
I honestly think Sil or Open Maw should direct the next one.
Quote from: The PredBen on Mar 27, 2010, 12:52:49 PM
Wow I know you guys are joking but whats the matter. Aliens was a good film and to be honest I didn't mind it but I don't understand all the love for it.
IMO it butchered Giger's Alien and turned into a bug. Not saying the concept is bad ... just more primitive.
Whatever.
Well thats subjective, I liked the more action-oriented take, as opposed to the "haunted house in space". The way the Aliens were treated never bothered me, but that just my opinion. I think Aliens is a much more entertaining film.
Not discussing the action, or the representation of aliens/predators, or designs, but SOLELY one making a movie, acting, plot, choice of actrors....
AVPR.
Quote from: ScoobySnax on Mar 28, 2010, 08:12:32 PM
I honestly think Sil or Open Maw should direct the next one.
I'd love to.
I've already got a script written. :P
Quote from: SiL on Mar 29, 2010, 04:46:15 AM
I've already got a script written. :P
Oh you want a fight huh!? HUH!? C'mere c'mere!
I'll Rock-Paper-Scissors you for it. ;)
Alien 3.The ultimate puss out let down.Turning Ripley from a badass to a broken individual and failing to come up with anything new or original with the aliens themselves.Just simply trying to ride out the glory that was the first and falling on their face with a depressing artsy film.
I fond it more insulting that Cameron turned a real person into f**king Rambo. Alien 3 was a return to form.
Quote from: genocyber on Mar 30, 2010, 08:17:15 AM
Alien 3.The ultimate puss out let down.Turning Ripley from a badass to a broken individual and failing to come up with anything new or original with the aliens themselves.Just simply trying to ride out the glory that was the first and falling on their face with a depressing artsy film.
Failing to come up with new or original ideas for the aliens? Except it was the first film to have a different type of alien. The only real difference between Alien and Aliens was their domes. One was smooth, the others where ridged. Alien 3 had it come out as a quadraped that was a hell of alot quicker and more agile than the previous incarnations. It also seemed to be the smartest alien of the all the films rather than just a never ending horde of bugs lining up to get mowed down.
Oh, this is an easy one, of course it's AvP:R(ectum).
And who the hell voted Aliens? Pathetic Cameron hater.. :P
I only consider avp and avpr to be the "bad movies" in these two franchises.
And asking me to chose between them is like asking me to vote
for a giant douche or a turd sandwich.
....hmmm
AVP sucks worse.
I went for AvP because of the way the preds are fat and cumbersome looking, not to mention when scar takes his mask off, I nearly shit it was so bad.
What's the quality of the effects got to do with if it's a good film or not?
Quote from: Keg on Mar 30, 2010, 11:21:52 AM
Quote from: genocyber on Mar 30, 2010, 08:17:15 AM
Alien 3.The ultimate puss out let down.Turning Ripley from a badass to a broken individual and failing to come up with anything new or original with the aliens themselves.Just simply trying to ride out the glory that was the first and falling on their face with a depressing artsy film.
Failing to come up with new or original ideas for the aliens? Except it was the first film to have a different type of alien. The only real difference between Alien and Aliens was their domes. One was smooth, the others where ridged. Alien 3 had it come out as a quadraped that was a hell of alot quicker and more agile than the previous incarnations. It also seemed to be the smartest alien of the all the films rather than just a never ending horde of bugs lining up to get mowed down.
It looked the same as the first alien,only it ran on all fours and didn't have the back tubes which was what made the others complete looking.The color was terrible, brown instead of black.
And of course it had to be smart.The movie would had been over in 5 minutes if it hadn't.
Ripley had no point in the movie than to just die,but not before long humiliation and futile efforts to save the other prisoners that either all died or got pegged at the end by Weyland.
Quote from: genocyber on Apr 01, 2010, 11:27:44 AM
It looked the same as the first alien,
It had a dome and six fingers on each hand.
End similarities. There's more of a difference in design between A3 and
Alien than
Aliens and the original.
QuoteThe color was terrible, brown instead of black.
Ashen gray, the brown was the lighting.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 01, 2010, 11:23:42 AM
What's the quality of the effects got to do with if it's a good film or not?
Everything when the movie is called aliens vs predator, and you're a big predator fan and see the predator's looking like al bundy, then the "hero" pred takes his mask off and they've butchered the predators face "to look more humanised".
Both avp films are crap but those two points were the highlights that didn't sit well with me, and from what ive read, many other predator fans.
Quote from: Wolf_sas on Apr 01, 2010, 11:55:04 AM
Everything when the movie is called aliens vs predator, and you're a big predator fan and see the predator's looking like al bundy, then the "hero" pred takes his mask off and they've butchered the predators face "to look more humanised".
Yeah, but you don't see Alien fans saying "AvPR cos the PredAlien had bitch tits and the Aliens never once looked convincing".
Quote from: SiL on Apr 01, 2010, 10:31:21 PM
Quote from: Wolf_sas on Apr 01, 2010, 11:55:04 AM
Everything when the movie is called aliens vs predator, and you're a big predator fan and see the predator's looking like al bundy, then the "hero" pred takes his mask off and they've butchered the predators face "to look more humanised".
Yeah, but you don't see Alien fans saying "AvPR cos the PredAlien had bitch tits and the Aliens never once looked convincing".
Yes, you do.
I've read loads of posts on this board saying the predalien was disgusting and they had destroyed the look of the aliens.
Just look at the grief the "runner" alien caused.
Another example is godzilla 1998 the american version, yeah its unanimous that the film is garbage, but ask any godzilla fan why and they will say "because it looks nothing like godzilla".
Quote from: Wolf_sas on Apr 02, 2010, 09:26:06 AM
yeah its unanimous that the film is garbage
Not. :D
Quote from: Wolf_sas on Apr 02, 2010, 09:33:19 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 02, 2010, 09:32:15 AM
Quote from: Wolf_sas on Apr 02, 2010, 09:26:06 AM
yeah its unanimous that the film is garbage
Not. :D
Blasphemy!
Haha, after endless discussions about it on this and other forums... that merely touches me ;) ;D
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 02, 2010, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: Wolf_sas on Apr 02, 2010, 09:33:19 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 02, 2010, 09:32:15 AM
Quote from: Wolf_sas on Apr 02, 2010, 09:26:06 AM
yeah its unanimous that the film is garbage
Not. :D
Blasphemy!
Haha, after endless discussions about it on this and other forums... that merely touches me ;) ;D
But.. but.. they kill Godzilla with ... missiles.... :'(
Missiles that blow up 'effin Madison Square Garden! :D
Also we have a discussion thread about Fan bitching: Here (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=12157.495). You may continue here if you want :)
Godzilla '98 was awful. End of.
Quote from: Wolf_sas on Apr 02, 2010, 09:26:06 AM
Quote from: SiL on Apr 01, 2010, 10:31:21 PM
Quote from: Wolf_sas on Apr 01, 2010, 11:55:04 AM
Everything when the movie is called aliens vs predator, and you're a big predator fan and see the predator's looking like al bundy, then the "hero" pred takes his mask off and they've butchered the predators face "to look more humanised".
Yeah, but you don't see Alien fans saying "AvPR cos the PredAlien had bitch tits and the Aliens never once looked convincing".
Yes, you do.
I've read loads of posts on this board saying the predalien was disgusting and they had destroyed the look of the aliens.
We complain about the design, sure, but we don't directly relate it to the film sucking. Rather, we focus on how utterly retarded the Aliens
acted in that film (I shouldn't have to explain how, just check the AvP film boards).
AvP's Pred design was pretty darn nasty, but at least they were treated with some respect as
characters.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Apr 02, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
AvP's Pred design was pretty darn nasty, but at least they were treated with some respect as characters.
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I knew that wouldn't go down well. :D
Oh, did you?
Yeah...
But I regret nothing.
whatever... Bennet is coming for you!
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Let's party.
As stand-alone films go, nothing stoops lower into the depths of movie-making filth than Alien: Resurrection. Deplorable. I even rank Alien VS Predator I marginally above it --- it was that bad. It was only with the advent of the inconceivably lacklustre AVP: Requiem that it was finally eclipsed. The Dawson's Creek storyline took a complete sh!t all over both franchises' bread-&-butter to pander to teen audiences. That sh!t should be fvcking illegal. As film-making goes, it's tantamount to urinating on someones' grave.
Quote from: TJ Doc on Apr 02, 2010, 02:25:04 PM
but at least they were treated with some respect as characters.
^I agree.
Quote from: Wolf_sas on Apr 02, 2010, 09:26:06 AM
Yes, you do.
I've read loads of posts on this board saying the predalien was disgusting and they had destroyed the look of the aliens.
Yes, but they list a lot of
other reasons. Like the plot, characters, direction, etc.
A lot of Pred fans (Not most, not all) will solely list "The Preds look crap and the teamup was stupid", and that's it.
QuoteJust look at the grief the "runner" alien caused.
Not a whole lot. Most people dig the design.
QuoteAs stand-alone films go, nothing stoops lower into the depths of movie-making filth than Alien: Resurrection.
Never seen an Uwe Boll film?
Quote from: SiL on Apr 02, 2010, 09:18:58 PM
Yes, but they list a lot of other reasons. Like the plot, characters, direction, etc.
Alongside the righteous complaints about the Aliens being incredibly ugly, yes.
Yes, that was entirely the point of the very sentence you quoted. What was yours?
Quote from: SiL on Apr 02, 2010, 09:45:39 PM
Yes, that was entirely the point of the very sentence you quoted. What was yours?
... I'm not sure. Emphasis, I think.
Fair do's.
The worst film is without a doubt the one you dislike.
And as I said some people like AVP and AVP:R and dislike Alien and Predator.
Quotesome people like AVP and AVP:R and dislike Alien and Predator
May the Lord be merciful to their souls.
Amen.
I don't know what is so bad about AvP and AvP:R, i mean they aren't that bad? Like they aren't A grade but i liked them, i think probably Alien or Alien 3 were the worst, quite boring i thought.
Quote from: Puks on Apr 02, 2010, 10:04:25 PM
Quotesome people like AVP and AVP:R and dislike Alien and Predator
May the Lord be merciful to their souls.
Amen.
i disagree. let the lord unleash a blood-thirsty rage never seen before upon their souls and beings.
let his will be done.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 03, 2010, 12:19:20 AM
Quote from: Puks on Apr 02, 2010, 10:04:25 PM
Quotesome people like AVP and AVP:R and dislike Alien and Predator
May the Lord be merciful to their souls.
Amen.
i disagree. let the lord unleash a blood-thirsty rage never seen before upon their souls and beings.
let his will be done.
Amen brother!
Quotei think probably Alien or Alien 3 were the worst, quite boring i thought.
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Just ignore cvetan.
He won't go away, but your brain will hurt less.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 02, 2010, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: Wolf_sas on Apr 02, 2010, 09:26:06 AM
Yes, you do.
I've read loads of posts on this board saying the predalien was disgusting and they had destroyed the look of the aliens.
Yes, but they list a lot of other reasons. Like the plot, characters, direction, etc.
A lot of Pred fans (Not most, not all) will solely list "The Preds look crap and the teamup was stupid", and that's it.
QuoteJust look at the grief the "runner" alien caused.
Not a whole lot. Most people dig the design.
QuoteAs stand-alone films go, nothing stoops lower into the depths of movie-making filth than Alien: Resurrection.
Never seen an Uwe Boll film?
As stand-alone films go, ie, as in stand-alone films in these specific two franchises.
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Apr 03, 2010, 03:57:51 AM
As stand-alone films go, ie, as in stand-alone films in these specific two franchises.
Oh, right. Makes much more sense.
Alien Resurrection or AVPR for me.
Alien resurrection. The set design is right...everything else isn't.
What? I find Alien boring as hell, and Alien 3 is similar, just boring.
Quote from: cvetan on Apr 03, 2010, 05:44:01 AM
What? I find Alien boring as hell, and Alien 3 is similar, just boring.
It's an age thing. I grew up watching repeats of
Aliens (I was only two when it came out), & when I finally saw the original in my teens, it bored me. I've come to look at it in a whole different light as an adult. As you get older, you will come to appreciate the suspense aspect, among other things, & rely less on explosions, skirmishes & profanities for your movie-watching kicks.
It's not because i expect action, it's just you don't get a real good look at the creature in action, you may see glimpses of it, but it' not enough, i loved Aliens cause you actually see the creature in action.
Six frames at a time.
Cvetan, just curious - how old are you?
The first Alien... boring... I... :'(
Quote from: cvetan on Apr 03, 2010, 05:44:01 AM
What? I find Alien boring as hell, and Alien 3 is similar, just boring.
Blasphemy!!! >:( Alien is scary as hell not boring as hell.
If I had a choice between the 2 I would watch Aliens over Alien, because Aliens is faster paced then Alien, but while it may make Alien look boring its still a very impressive movie.
Alien is the most inmersive movie i have ever seen. when the crew is waking up, you feel like you are waking up with them, when they are bored, you feel bored with them. when they are shitting their pants of fear, you do too.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 03, 2010, 02:51:00 AM
He won't go away, but your brain will hurt less.
I can still hope he will.
I thought it was weird/crap that when the womans husband is killed by the Alien leaping through the childs window she seemingly doesn't give a rats arse. I know she has to get the little girl out of there but the guy is still alive when she scarpers. And even throughout the rest of the turd of a movie she never seems even remotely bothered that Sam from Trueblood/her husband got eaten. And Newt the little girl isn't. Honestly I wouldn't piss on this movie if it was on fire. Might crap on it though. Wow aren't I lady like.....
Quote from: Raven on Apr 03, 2010, 09:07:49 PM
I thought it was weird/crap that when the womans husband is killed by the Alien leaping through the childs window she seemingly doesn't give a rats arse. I know she has to get the little girl out of there but the guy is still alive when she scarpers. And even throughout the rest of the turd of a movie she never seems even remotely bothered that Sam from Trueblood/her husband got eaten. And Newt the little girl isn't. Honestly I wouldn't piss on this movie if it was on fire. Might crap on it though. Wow aren't I lady like.....
Lol yea i was like wtf why arent you going back to save your husband.....Then i remembered this was AVP:R. :D
And WTF was with the grave yard scene! Actual WTF was the whole movie.
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 03, 2010, 03:07:12 PM
Alien is the most inmersive movie i have ever seen. when the crew is waking up, you feel like you are waking up with them, when they are bored, you feel bored with them. when they are shitting their pants of fear, you do too.
No.
It's a bunch of weird people and a droid, they all get picked off, it's not scary, it's slow paced, alot of talking and boring. Aliens in my opinion is a much better film.
Quote from: cvetan on Apr 03, 2010, 11:53:31 PM
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Apr 03, 2010, 03:07:12 PM
Alien is the most inmersive movie i have ever seen. when the crew is waking up, you feel like you are waking up with them, when they are bored, you feel bored with them. when they are shitting their pants of fear, you do too.
No.
It's a bunch of weird people and a droid
:D
Yup :P
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Quote from: cvetan on Apr 03, 2010, 11:53:31 PM
No.
It's a bunch of weird people and a droid, they all get picked off, it's not scary, it's slow paced, alot of talking and boring. Aliens in my opinion is a much better film.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3n0vBcW5fc
Resurrection. I just can't stand it. At least the AvP films wanted to do something new, but ultimately failed. What the hell was the point of making Resurrection?
They wanted to do something new.
And succeeded, actually. Just that they did what no-one wanted them to do.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 04, 2010, 05:01:27 AM
Resurrection. I just can't stand it. At least the AvP films wanted to do something new
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Quote from: cvetan on Apr 03, 2010, 11:53:31 PM
No.
It's a bunch of weird people and a droid, they all get picked off, it's not scary, it's slow paced, alot of talking and boring. Aliens in my opinion is a much better film.
What i.....cant compute! Maybe your watching it wrong?
Quote from: XenoVC on Apr 04, 2010, 06:16:40 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 04, 2010, 05:01:27 AM
Resurrection. I just can't stand it. At least the AvP films wanted to do something new
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Who are you, really?
Really?
I'm just a figment of your imagination.*FLASH*
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 04, 2010, 05:01:27 AM
Resurrection. I just can't stand it. At least the AvP films wanted to do something new, but ultimately failed. What the hell was the point of making Resurrection?
The space pirates. :D
As for mine, AvPR.
But let's leave that out of this equation. It's obviously gonna be the beating-horse for most of us, so...
Predator 2. Characters I didn't care about, forgettable dialogue, creature scenes that lacked tension and general cheesiness. I watched it to see a Predator wreak havoc and got silver jumpsuits and a scene lampooned from
Aliens. There were no real redeeming features. I'd mention how cool the Predator was, but we got too many hints and too much forewarning of anything the Predator did for it to have any real impact.
Well, I guess there was the subway scene. But still a lame movie overall.
True that vanilla.
I think I've found something that I 10,0000000000% agree with you on, Alex. :D
But..
But..
I liked P2 :'(
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 04, 2010, 03:18:57 PM
But..
But..
I liked P2 :'(
So did I!
Quote from: XenoVC on Apr 04, 2010, 06:16:40 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 04, 2010, 05:01:27 AM
Resurrection. I just can't stand it. At least the AvP films wanted to do something new
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9203/gregandcolinstrausetrol.jpg
...
Your point being?
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 04, 2010, 04:00:48 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 04, 2010, 03:18:57 PM
But..
But..
I liked P2 :'(
So did I!
Glad to hear that. Pussyface is so awesome ;D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Apr 04, 2010, 04:00:48 PM
Quote from: XenoVC on Apr 04, 2010, 06:16:40 AM
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...
Your point being?
I think it's
Strause Bros.--->New
New<---Strause Bros =/= something good
Quote from: Aeus on Apr 04, 2010, 03:18:22 PM
True that vanilla.
I think I've found something that I 10,0000000000% agree with you on, Alex. :D
:D
Hearing talk about it on these forums, I was expecting something that was slammed by critics for being too fan-oriented or something. Something like
Alien 3 where pacing, plot distortion or effects flaws subtract points in terms of entertainment value, but don't destroy the redeeming factors that make it a worthwhile film.
I got shit. P1 is the only Predator film. :(
QuoteBut..
But..
I liked P2 :'(
More heretical than Xenos love.
No, it's the fookin Voodoo Magic, Mahn! :D :D :D
I love it mainly for the ending. It defies limits of epicness.
i love it in the same way i love Starship troopers. its corny as hell but damn it is fun.
Yeh i loved Predator 2, the good fights scenes, the actual ability to watch the predator in action and the design of "Pussy Face" was just awsome.
I would say that Resurrection is the worst because it committs far more atrocities than AVP. The AVP films can be easily ignored, Resurrection however taints (what would have been) an excellent Alien trilogy - messes up the Alien canon and has the Newborn (the less said about that the better).
I'm not saying the 2 AVP films are good, not by a long shot, but ressurection is the king of the b*stardizations
Quote from: The EliteStick on Apr 05, 2010, 12:49:59 PM
I would say that Resurrection is the worst because it committs far more atrocities than AVP. The AVP films can be easily ignored, Resurrection however taints (what would have been) an excellent Alien trilogy - messes up the Alien canon and has the Newborn (the less said about that the better).
I'm not saying the 2 AVP films are good, not by a long shot, but ressurection is the king of the b*stardizations
Fair post. Even though
Requiem was, somehow, even worse than
Resurrection, at least it is easily dismissed as indulgent, non-canon shit. Not so easy with A4, which was disgustingly deplorable.
Has to be AVP:R. Both the Aliens and predator were so corny , and the acting was just so awful. I'm also not a fan of the hospital scene. I could go on all day, but i wont.
Who the fvck voted for Aliens!?
I want them shot with a pulse rifle...
I get why AR is criticised; it's a bad film.
But there's being offensively bad, which is a line AvPR crosses literally, and then there's being mediocre and disappointing. For me, those two words summarise AR pretty well. Apart from the Newborn, there was no one element that was really deplorable.
For all my dislike of the AR Alien design, the beast was shot well and ended up coming across as menacing and powerful. The Auriga was actually a very, very good setting. The space pirates were likable and a fresh concept in the context of the franchise. Sure, the pacing was absolutely awful, the Newborn ruined shit and there's a fair bit of overacting, but its biggest sin was that it was misplaced.
Either the film should've been darkened in tone, with more emphasis on the Aliens themselves, or it should've never been an Alien movie. As it stands, AR isn't irredeemably awful like AvPR was. You can take the concepts, characters and plot of AR and reimagine it as something worthy of praise - unlike AvPR, which was abysmal in every aspect. Or, indeed, P2, which was a horrifically malformed attempt at using a new setting to reinvigorate the Predator.
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Apr 05, 2010, 02:08:32 PM
Who the fvck voted for Aliens!?
That sin ain't mine, but I can almost understand the reasoning behind that. Cameron makes really shallow, crowd-pleasing films.
Alien was never meant to be arthouse or super-exclusive, but it did have an element of depth to it that other horrors conventionally lacked.
Aliens, for all its tension, action and excitement, it over when you've seen the movie.
Alien lingered. There were nagging doubts.
Alien 3 encouraged more thought than its predecessor, too.
Hell, even AR, for all its faults, was more prone to horror-oriented depictions of the Alien itself and a fearful reaction to them than the gung-ho Marines. I can see how someone might consider A2 to be the most "out-of-character" film of the franchise, although I'd disagree myself.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Apr 05, 2010, 02:09:57 PM
I get why AR is criticised; it's a bad film.
But there's being offensively bad, which is a line AvPR crosses literally, and then there's being mediocre and disappointing. For me, those two words summarise AR pretty well. Apart from the Newborn, there was no one element that was really deplorable.
Oh I don't know. The whole cloning story aside which was completely absurd, I wasn't too keen on the scene where Ripley falls through the floor and 'appears' to be f**king a giant mould of what looks like Alien leftovers.
The cloning thing was dumb. All the potential to go back and use the Jockey architecture and Lovecraftian concepts again... and we got that? Bad. But not abhorrent.
I wasn't keen on that scene (we're poets and were unaware of that particular fact!) either, but it wasn't gamebreaking in itself - just bad.
I thought the whole film was pretty lethal to the franchise. Right from the start, it made a cynic out of you, for it's cheesy Ripley return. Things didn't just get worse thereafter, either --- they got critically bad.
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Apr 06, 2010, 06:15:01 AM
I thought the whole film was pretty lethal to the franchise.
wut
Then what exactly is AvP:R?
How soon people forget the shitty reviews, fan reaction and box office for Alien3.
Soon? Almost 20 years.
Long enough for us to get over the concept of Aliens, Part Two and to see the movie in a context that doesn't demand another war movie. That's not to say that Alien 3 is the height of brilliance.
Quote from: XenoVC on Apr 06, 2010, 06:18:17 AM
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Apr 06, 2010, 06:15:01 AM
I thought the whole film was pretty lethal to the franchise.
wut
Then what exactly is AvP:R?
The only film to feature Aliens worse than
Resurrection.
That's right, I said it ---
AVP I is marginally better than
Resurrection. That's how bad they all are.
QuoteSoon? Almost 20 years.
Yeah I just realised that shortly after typing it. ;D
Most people are probably too young to remember.
Quote from: SM on Apr 06, 2010, 06:19:27 AM
How soon people forget the shitty reviews, fan reaction and box office for Alien3.
In America. Elsewhere, it was far better-received.
Not that the American box office has the sentient awareness to acknowledge anything beyond the borders of the land of the free...
IMO, it's still the most under-rated film in the franchise. I liked it --- it was weaker than its predecessors, & had some big sticking points I didn't like, but, still...
QuoteNot that the American box office has the sentient awareness to acknowledge anything beyond the borders of the land of the free...
Sentient enough to make another one.
But not to acknowledge success of a film if it occurs outside the US Box Office. Something Alien III did.
The fact they made another one is acknowledgement enough.
Not bad for an ill-conceived and received flick.
Quote from: SM on Apr 06, 2010, 06:29:46 AM
The fact they made another one is acknowledgement enough.
I disagree. I think the third one was borne out of a, "Two outta three ain't bad" mentality. The first two were huge successes on all fronts, & we all know how insanely greedy studios can be. Once something has tasted success, they are intent to squeeze every penny from it by running it into the ground.
Hell, if you want proof, it's been
twenty years since the last
Predator film, & here comes another one --- in spite of the spectacular failings of not one, but two, Predator-based (partly) films in recent years.
AvP and AvPR both made money. When Predator 2 tanked critically and financially, they didn't do another Predator-related movie for another 14 years - and only then when it was attached to the Alien franchise.
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Apr 06, 2010, 06:23:10 AM
Quote from: XenoVC on Apr 06, 2010, 06:18:17 AM
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Apr 06, 2010, 06:15:01 AM
I thought the whole film was pretty lethal to the franchise.
wut
Then what exactly is AvP:R?
The only film to feature Aliens worse than Resurrection.
That's right, I said it --- AVP I is marginally better than Resurrection. That's how bad they all are.
I'm with you. Much as I hate AvP, I'll take it over Resurrection any day of the week.
OK, can you people tell me whats so bad with AvP, i liked it for the fact that we actually got to see both creatures in action, the story line i think wasn't half bad. i really dunno why its looked down upon?
It's boring and dumb. Those are my reasons.
Ok?
What? You asked the question, you received an answer.
This whole thread is pointless . Is there ANYONE who wouldnt say avpr is the worst ?
Try asking the user posting right before you. ;D
Quote from: alien5454 on May 05, 2010, 07:18:02 PM
This whole thread is pointless . Is there ANYONE who wouldnt say avpr is the worst ?
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AVPR was a piece of crap made by a couple of losers who wanted to give predators blow jobs.
By the way WHO THE HELL VOTED FOR ALIENS!
QuoteWHO THE HELL VOTED FOR ALIENS!
Dunno who, but here's his profile:
-
Alien and
Alien3 supremacist
- Bashes J. Cameron in every thread
- Bashes the alien queen in every thread
- Bashes marines in every thread
- Rants about fodderization of aliens in every thread
- Obsessed with egg-morphing
- Hates J. Cameron
- Troll
Do we have a suspect?
Well you can be a troll, but I don't think you're any of the others...
*cough*
I would rather watch AvP:R 100 times than watch Resurection, (my vote) 10 times.
AvP:R at the very least tried to be badass, and frankly I though it wasn't all bad. Resurection was an absolute dark comedy disgrace. They didnt even try. It looked like something from a completely different sci-fi franchise.
And whoever voted for "Aliens" needs to be perma-banned. Seriously.
I don't understand the hate for Alien 3 and A:R.
Alien 3 was as good as Alien and Aliens to me. It was a good closing chapter for the series. A:R had pacing issues but I loved the characters ( minus cloned Riply and Perez ). I thought Johner and Geidman were really cool characters.
I recently watched Aliens again and loved Hicks but I thought the movie was two short. It was long - yes - but I felt it good've gone on longer. Have two battles against the Aliens.
Everyone dies at one point ... IDK ... AVP butchered the franchsies and AVP devoured the corpse.
yea a3 is great movie ar is a bit dum with cloning ripley after 200-300 years or so but its ok
on the other hand we have avp movies i quite enjoyed avp but avpr was terrible
Resurrection is a joke....literally. Dark humour is not welcome in the "Alien" franchise. Look at the first movie, a masterpiece of filming. Now look at that piece of garbage, an insult to an incredible movie. "Aliens" was even better.
This seems rather obvious; AvP:R(ectum). Abysmal in every respect. Hell, Ed Wood has made better films than that!
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 06, 2010, 04:30:07 PM
I would rather watch AvP:R 100 times than watch Resurection, (my vote) 10 times.
AvP:R at the very least tried to be badass, and frankly I though it wasn't all bad. Resurection was an absolute dark comedy disgrace. They didnt even try. It looked like something from a completely different sci-fi franchise.
What he said.
:D
Meh, w/e. I prefer Requiem over Resurrection.
:D
You and your :D...
AVP:R
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 06, 2010, 04:30:07 PM
I would rather watch AvP:R 100 times than watch Resurection, (my vote) 10 times.
AvP:R at the very least tried to be badass
You sure know how to auto-punish yourself ;)
Also, A:R was never supposed to be "badass".
Thats the problem. It tried to be a comedy (a disgusting act in itself) and failed. It tried to be scary (I think, hard to tell with the midget) and failed. The only (and I mean only) thing it did right, were the underwater Xenos. Scrap the rest and stick that bit in AvP:R. AvP:R was okay. It tried to be more "serious" than AvP, and that was probably its downfall. That and the annoying teens.
"high school's such a difficult time,"
"these problems matte~~~r".
Not scary?
Failed clones scene gave me nightmares.
Underageb& ;D
What?
4chan stuff.
I'm 12 and what is this
what is this I don't even
MMmmkay, so I got scared by the failed clones because I'm a youngster?
Riiiight....
Those clones look creepy hands down :o
I thought they kinda sucked, but whatev. :P
Also, the newborn. Looked like a clown.
A Clown? It was an abomination and it marvelously suceeded with its design.
^^^Yep.
For those who fail to see the genius behind newborn's design -
*in Michael Jackson's voice*
- that's ignorant!
Sucked! Sorry. :P
Quote
For those who fail to see the genius behind newborn's design -
I rather have a problem with the concept. From a mix of an alien and human dna, alien was the winner so far. I'm disturbed by it losing.
Its a stupid idea. Big fat blowtard knocks queens jaw off. Very poor.
I thought it was an effective example of Alien matricide.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 07, 2010, 02:34:34 PM
Its a stupid idea. Big fat blowtard knocks queens jaw off. Very poor.
Or simply you are moved by fan motivations? ;D
nahh. it sucked.
Quote from: The Captain on May 07, 2010, 03:47:21 PM
So stylish, c'est un film magnifique et sexy.
You are very laissez-faire.
AVP. Failtastic. AVP 2, which I thought was good, was more enjoyable.
Quote from: Abomination on May 07, 2010, 08:34:22 PM
AVP. Failtastic. AVP 2, which I thought was good, was more enjoyable.
Really? How can you enjoy something you cannot see?
Quote from: Hive Tyrant on May 07, 2010, 08:36:24 PM
Quote from: Abomination on May 07, 2010, 08:34:22 PM
AVP. Failtastic. AVP 2, which I thought was good, was more enjoyable.
Really? How can you enjoy something you cannot see?
What do you mean?
Abomination, take it from me. 99% of the users, will all say AvP:R is completely and wholly unwatchable because the entire film is too dark.
Quote from: The Captain on May 07, 2010, 03:47:21 PM
AVP-R suce le pénis de cheval.
Le pénis de cheval est trop petit pour AvP-R :P
Le pénis d'un éléphant, peut-être?
Quote from: DoomRulz on May 07, 2010, 10:09:56 PM
Abomination, take it from me. 99% of the users, will all say AvP:R is completely and wholly unwatchable because the entire film is too dark.
Ah. It was pretty dark, but I didn't think it was totally unwatchable.
Quote from: SiL on May 07, 2010, 10:37:48 PM
Quote from: The Captain on May 07, 2010, 03:47:21 PM
AVP-R suce le pénis de cheval.
Le pénis de cheval est trop petit pour AvP-R :P
Le pénis d'un éléphant, peut-être?
elephant penises? i'd say whale ones.
How could anybody ever think AVP was better then Resurrection, you guys are having a laugh.
Quote from: The Captain on May 07, 2010, 03:47:21 PM
AVP-R suce le pénis de cheval.
:D
Oui, c'est la grande merde.
Quote from: BillDukesBuddy on May 08, 2010, 03:24:36 AM
How could anybody ever think AVP was better then Resurrection, you guys are having a laugh.
They claim to not being able to see anything in Requiem, so nothing surprises me anymore.
Sigh......Alien fanboys.
Both AvP movies beat the hell outta Res-erection.
Alien3 is second worse.
Why do I never have a facepalm smiley when I need one?
It wouldn't matter, coz you cant apply it to yourself like you need to SiL. :D
Oh, don't be such a tool.
Ask me?
Anyone who doesn't think AVPR is the pinnacle of fail needs to have their eyes checked. AVP was... tolerable. I actually like it quite a bit, but in comparison to any other A/P movie it's a sorry ass follow up. AVPR.... are you kidding? It's like that entire movie was made just for the purpose of getting a PredAlien onscreen, everything else was... or... F*** that... to paraphrase Ash... "Get PredAlien on the big screen, Priority ONE. All other priorities rescinded. Including reputation." -Lord Venom
Awww, is SiL upset I made fun of his Movie? :'(
Don't play this game.
You will not win.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 08, 2010, 10:51:25 AM
Sigh......Alien fanboys.
Both AvP movies beat the hell outta Res-erection.
Alien3 is second worse.
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Quote from: Puks on May 08, 2010, 04:28:40 PM
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 08, 2010, 10:51:25 AM
Sigh......Alien fanboys.
Both AvP movies beat the hell outta Res-erection.
Alien3 is second worse.
http://sites.google.com/site/darren8770/TacticalFacePalm.jpg
I just laughed my ass off, god that never gets old!
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 08, 2010, 10:51:25 AM
Sigh......Alien fanboys.
Both AvP movies beat the hell outta Res-erection.
Alien3 is second worse.
I didn't notice this until the last two people quoted it...
You can't be serious man. Both AVP's, even the first, which I at least enjoy watching... both are no question the worst of overall franchise. They were just big ticket action 'blockbusters' and I use this term loosely because the second movie did awful in ticket sales, etc. Neither of them had crap for a plot.. which Resurrection can at least vaguely boast.
Another thing... wtf is with all these movies coming out in the last 10 years that go back in time? Whats all this Prequel crap nowadays? AVP and AVPR are really both prequels... and now we got 2 Alien prequels on the way. Come on, move forward with the story, it's really not that hard when the concept is so basic.
You know it seems to me it started with Star Wars. I never heard of such a thing before that point. After that it seemed like all these people started comin' up saying, "Hey if Lucas can do it, so can I." Lazy-asses don't want to go to the bother of trying to write a convincing story to re-open stories they had previously tried to end and make a good sequel. Instead, "Screw that we'll just go back in time and avoid confusion. That way we can still write the thing and make money without having to be creative." You can't do that as far as I'm concerned. Lucas only gets a get out of jail free card because his backstory was already written at the time the original trilogy was released.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 08, 2010, 04:25:42 PM
Awww, is SiL upset I made fun of his Movie? :'(
Dude, don't start. Please.
Actually SiL did, but okay.
Weird though, Resurrection is on Channel 4 as I type!
An Alien movie hasn't been on the telly in ages. God, it's bad. The guy in the wheelchair shot his double-barrel about ten times without reloading. I think they should've just let Ripley die in the third movie.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 08, 2010, 10:30:30 PM
The guy in the wheelchair shot his double-barrel about ten times without reloading.
Was it like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NmzF9pj9Yk
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on May 08, 2010, 10:30:30 PM
The guy in the wheelchair shot his double-barrel about ten times without reloading
Cos you know the ammo capacity of a gun made in the future that gets assembled from smaller, easier to hide pieces.
Yes. It was a double barrel shotgun.
It was a shotgun that had two barrels. You have no idea what it fired or what its capacity was. It's clearly not like a modern double barreled shotgun.
Remember, this cripple is a space pirate. From the future. His gun is probably the result of constant tinkering.
So, where's this 10-round magazine? No idea, but given advances in ammo and weapons technology, it could be anywhere. See Johnner's laser bullets.
Hell, see also the 99 round clips the marines use in their pulse rifles. Pretty sure you can't fit 99 10mm rounds into clips that small.
Theyre 9mil. :D
Which is why Gorman says 10 mm?
Hudson, too, if memory serves.
And the Colonial Marines tech manual.
Even 99 9 mm rounds aren't going to fit in that clip anyway :P
I was joking. :o
A:R Is underated its a good movie anyone who thinks this is worse then AVP:R is insane... Everyone seems to have the same opinion about A:R. I know everyone doesent feel this way about this movie so come on people tell me something different about this movie all I hear is "The Newborn sucks. Ripley sucks." The Newborn had a creepy feel and Ripley is not the Ripley in the first 3 Alien films people she was RESSURECTED mixed with the Xeno DNA for christ sake. Im a fan of the whole series, all the movies. Same with Predator. It's starting to make me mad that everyone has the same opinion!! Some people act like they are not even fans of the movies bashing them so much! Lets talk positive people.
... I like it.
Sure, it's rather 'meh' overall, but as an action/sci-fi film with corny lines and lots of gore, it's a hoot.
Quote from: SiL on May 09, 2010, 01:24:33 AM
Even 99 9 mm rounds aren't going to fit in that clip anyway :P
Gotta love that suspension of disbelief. But then again, he did say they were caseless; maybe that has something to do with it?
Legal rehtorric ?
That's "rhetoric" ;)
Nope! Its a character I made up. Hes a hotshot city lawer, an out of water fish in a place he never made.
Fish in water, wtf arent they like a hybrid of rhino's?
...........(no words)
Words? ??? words are for horses!
"its a ten milimeter explosive tip caseless, standard light armor piercing round, why?"
the thomson M-1928 its based on its a 9mm parabellum, and the M-1 version that saw action in WWII was chambered in .45 ACP.
and for god's sake, its a magazine, not a clip!
No. Playboy is a magazine. :D
Quote from: ArwingAssultX on May 09, 2010, 01:36:31 AM
A:R Is underated its a good movie anyone who thinks this is worse then AVP:R is insane... Everyone seems to have the same opinion about A:R. I know everyone doesent feel this way about this movie so come on people tell me something different about this movie all I hear is "The Newborn sucks. Ripley sucks." The Newborn had a creepy feel and Ripley is not the Ripley in the first 3 Alien films people she was RESSURECTED mixed with the Xeno DNA for christ sake. Im a fan of the whole series, all the movies. Same with Predator. It's starting to make me mad that everyone has the same opinion!! Some people act like they are not even fans of the movies bashing them so much! Lets talk positive people.
Completely agree with you. I like all of the films in both franchises also ;)
I want to know who voted for Alien. I mean, that guy is either a noob or a guy that doesn't any taste in movies. I need to know now. >:(
Quote from: MacGruber on Jun 04, 2010, 08:17:51 PM
I want to know who voted for Alien. I mean, that guy is either a noob or a guy that doesn't any taste in movies. I need to know now. >:(
I can't blame him/her. The movie was long, cliche and even boring at times. Wouldn't call it the worse though, it does have some good points.
Quote from: Abomination on Jun 04, 2010, 08:24:07 PM
Quote from: MacGruber on Jun 04, 2010, 08:17:51 PM
I want to know who voted for Alien. I mean, that guy is either a noob or a guy that doesn't any taste in movies. I need to know now. >:(
I can't blame him/her. The movie was long, cliche and even boring at times. Wouldn't call it the worse though, it does have some good points.
Yeah, it has good points. Like the entire movie!
Quote from: Abomination on Jun 04, 2010, 08:24:07 PM
Quote from: MacGruber on Jun 04, 2010, 08:17:51 PM
I want to know who voted for Alien. I mean, that guy is either a noob or a guy that doesn't any taste in movies. I need to know now. >:(
I can't blame him/her. The movie was long, suspenseful and even scary at times. Wouldn't call it the worse though, it does have some good points.
Fixed.
And for the record, the movie wasn't cliche or boring. If you want to see a movie like that, go watch AVPR then.
How the f**k is it clichè ?
He mustve watched them backwards.
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 04, 2010, 08:37:30 PM
How the f**k is it clichè ?
He mustve watched them backwards.
I watched them like this: AVP, AVP: R, Predator, Predator 2, Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien Rez. I'm not saying Alien is horrible, to me it isn't the best out of the A/P franchise. It was suspensful, but not that scary to me.
Well obviously if you watch them in that order.
Whats your fav ?
Out of the whole lot? I couldn't possibly decide.
Quote from: MacGruber on Jun 04, 2010, 08:37:15 PM
And for the record, the movie wasn't cliche
Except for the fact its plot was shamelessly ripped off from a dozen other places and Dan O'Bannon spent most of his introduction to the script listing all the places he drew inspiration.
In the writer's own words:
"I didn't steal
Alien from anybody. I stole it from
everybody."
Quote from: Abomination on Jun 04, 2010, 08:24:07 PM
Quote from: MacGruber on Jun 04, 2010, 08:17:51 PM
I want to know who voted for Alien. I mean, that guy is either a noob or a guy that doesn't any taste in movies. I need to know now. >:(
I can't blame him/her. The movie was long, cliche and even boring at times. Wouldn't call it the worse though, it does have some good points.
Oh the irony
Quote from: SiL on Jun 04, 2010, 09:01:44 PM
Quote from: MacGruber on Jun 04, 2010, 08:37:15 PM
And for the record, the movie wasn't cliche
Except for the fact its plot was shamelessly ripped off from a dozen other places and Dan O'Bannon spent most of his introduction to the script listing all the places he drew inspiration.
In the writer's own words:
"I didn't steal Alien from anybody. I stole it from everybody."
There's a difference between that and being cliché, though.
I don't like this " Alien , Aliens and Predator are awesome only" idiocy in these threads.
I've seen people who like AVP:R and A:R they're just as much fans as an Alien and Aliens fan.
People can say Resurrection, AvP and AvP R are good all they want, but when they say the earlier films (which are considered among the greatest science fiction films of all time) are bad, that is when the blood starts boiling.
And the urine.
Thats your opinion.
If someone loves alien and puts AVP:R on the top of their list and Alien at the bottom they're as equally a fan to a passionate fan of Alien.
Quote from: TheMonolith on Jun 04, 2010, 10:37:13 PM
People can say Resurrection, AvP and AvP R are good all they want, but when they say the earlier films (which are considered among the greatest science fiction films of all time) are bad, that is when the blood starts boiling.
Exactly my point.
"I think Alien is not a good movie." That is an opinion based statement and can be respected.
"Alien is a bad movie." That is assuming that it is a fact, and outright saying that the opinions of others is wrong. THAT gets people angry.
Well the first one would get me angry as well but I it wouldn't be justified :P
Quote from: SiL on Jun 04, 2010, 09:01:44 PM
Quote from: MacGruber on Jun 04, 2010, 08:37:15 PM
And for the record, the movie wasn't cliche
Except for the fact its plot was shamelessly ripped off from a dozen other places and Dan O'Bannon spent most of his introduction to the script listing all the places he drew inspiration.
In the writer's own words:
"I didn't steal Alien from anybody. I stole it from everybody."
At least he was able to use those elements in a creative manner. Alien is groundbreaking for the genre, but at the end of the day, at its core, it's your basic haunted house movie.
In order not to repeat others I will keep this short and sweet. My problem here is not that a film I love has the most votes. I know many hated it and can respect their opinion. My problem is that there are votes for Aliens and Alien. Seriously....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJXR280wbEg
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jun 05, 2010, 08:48:30 AM
In order not to repeat others I will keep this short and sweet. My problem here is not that a film I love has the most votes. I know many hated it and can respect their opinion. My problem is that there are votes for Aliens and Alien. Seriously....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJXR280wbEg
Its called an opinion. I'm hoping this won't end up like other threads were 6 pages is based on someone voting "
Aliens " as bad.
For me, the only movie that really got me bored was Aliens while Alien, Alien 3, and yes, A:R didn't. But that's just my cup of tea.
* Bangs head against wall*
*Frowns*
Quote from: MacGruber on Jun 05, 2010, 02:41:58 PM
For me, the only movie that really got me bored was Aliens while Alien, Alien 3, and yes, A:R didn't. But that's just my cup of tea.
See PredalienXenomorph's post for my response. ;)
Are you people really so fanboy-ified that you can't understand why someone would dislike an Alien film?
It was a joke, hence the little winking guy. ::)
Hey, I'm just standing up for the underdog, dawg!
Just like how you constantly defend the obviously inferior AvP:R? :D
Like I said, the underdog.
Requiem. Easy.
AVP.
It killed two. :P
AvP:R, oh, and I put the number of votes for Requiem up to 69. Heheh. Sexual innuendo.
The only problem there is that they died to close to each other. But the first AvP was bad no doubt.
I truly disagree.
Difference of opinions we have there. Lets leave it at that.
An alien killing two predators..
Let me think..
One alien.. two predators.. killed.
ZOMG TEH BLASPHEMY!!!1! :o
Of course, if it'd been one Predator taking out two Aliens in the same amount of time, they'd be fine with it...
Some pred fans are under the delusion that they are unkillable........ despite both Predator movies which show otherwise.
In the interest of the fragility of the Alien fanboy ego, I sha'nt respond. ;D
......... It would be best.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jun 10, 2010, 09:22:32 PM
Of course, if it'd been one Predator taking out shitloads of Aliens in the same amount of time, they'd be fine with it...
Sorry, the action scenes, a couple good designs and concepts just cant make up for a poorly done film.
:-\
Quote from: Puks on Jun 10, 2010, 09:20:44 PM
An alien killing two predators..
Let me think..
One alien.. two predators.. killed.
ZOMG TEH BLASPHEMY!!!1! :o
TRUE DAT BRO AVPS SO UNFAIR I MEAN IT SUCKS ITS AVPINO AVP IN NAME ONLY CAUSE A ALIEN KILLZ TWO PREDATRS
the worst are Avp and avpR ( and im pretty sure most of us agrees on that ^^)
I rank AvP higher than Resurectum, Pred 2 and maybe Alien3.
Both AVPs sucked.
AVP:R was a crappy homage fest that despite homage crap butchered both creatures. I'm not even mentioning the cardboard characters , the plot , weak dialog. The bizzare rain covering most of the fights.
AVP did have sour spots for me ( like the Predator being saved by Lex three times ) but i'd take a badly made adaptation of AVP: Prey over AVP:R anyday.
AVPR is definitely one of the worst films in the series. Its crappy characters, its crappy dialogue, its crappy Aliens, and its crappy Predator are so crappy that made the movie look more crappier every single time you watch it.
Agreed but wolf did look kinda cool.
Quote from: D.A. on Jun 15, 2010, 04:51:17 PM
AVPR is definitely one of the worst films in the series. Its crappy characters, its crappy dialogue, its crappy Aliens, and its crappy Predator are so crappy that made the movie look more creepier every single time you watch it.
It makes it
creepier? ???
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Jun 15, 2010, 05:18:41 PM
Agreed but wolf did look kinda cool masked.
Fix'd. ;D ;D
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Jun 15, 2010, 05:18:41 PM
Agreed but wolf did look kinda cool.
No, he didn't. He look like a f**king retard. He has so many chances to kill the Predalien, but instead he follow this Alien that was on the power plant (don't why it's there) and decided to fight the Predalien with his bare hands. Why didn't he kill the Predalien with his shuriken disk? I don't know.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 15, 2010, 05:21:18 PM
Quote from: D.A. on Jun 15, 2010, 04:51:17 PM
AVPR is definitely one of the worst films in the series. Its crappy characters, its crappy dialogue, its crappy Aliens, and its crappy Predator are so crappy that made the movie look more creepier every single time you watch it.
It makes it creepier? ???
Typo mistake. I'll fix it.
I mean his mask that is it all the rest of him is awful.
Requiem 'aint great, but it could've been worse.
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Jun 15, 2010, 05:40:27 PM
I mean his mask that is it all the rest of him is awful.
Well, you could have been more specific. But that's okay. :)
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 15, 2010, 05:41:50 PM
Requiem 'aint great, but it could've been worse.
No, it couldn't. The movie is already worse as it is.
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Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 15, 2010, 05:41:50 PM
Requiem 'aint great, but it could've been worse.
No, it couldn't. The movie is already worse as it is.
The you
haven't heard what they had in mind for the Predalien but didn't
use.Like hanging skinned bodies. :-X
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 15, 2010, 05:48:24 PM
Quote from: D.A. on Jun 15, 2010, 05:47:14 PM
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 15, 2010, 05:41:50 PM
Requiem 'aint great, but it could've been worse.
No, it couldn't. The movie is already worse as it is.
The you haven't heard what they had in mind for the Predalien but didn't use.
Like hanging skinned bodies. :-X
Jesus Christ, really? Whoa! Now I have more reasons to hate Shane Salerno and his crappy writing.
Quote from: D.A. on Jun 15, 2010, 05:50:12 PM
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Quote from: D.A. on Jun 15, 2010, 05:47:14 PM
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 15, 2010, 05:41:50 PM
Requiem 'aint great, but it could've been worse.
No, it couldn't. The movie is already worse as it is.
The you haven't heard what they had in mind for the Predalien but didn't use.
Like hanging skinned bodies. :-X
Jesus Christ, really? Whoa! Now I have more reasons to hate Shane Salerno and his crappy writing.
Fox wanted the Predalien to use Predator weapons and invisibility, imagine how crap it would have been. IMAGINE.
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Jun 15, 2010, 06:20:22 PM
Quote from: D.A. on Jun 15, 2010, 05:50:12 PM
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Quote from: D.A. on Jun 15, 2010, 05:47:14 PM
Quote from: Anto of the Sand on Jun 15, 2010, 05:41:50 PM
Requiem 'aint great, but it could've been worse.
No, it couldn't. The movie is already worse as it is.
The you haven't heard what they had in mind for the Predalien but didn't use.
Like hanging skinned bodies. :-X
Jesus Christ, really? Whoa! Now I have more reasons to hate Shane Salerno and his crappy writing.
Fox wanted the Predalien to use Predator weapons and invisibility, imagine how crap it would have been. IMAGINE.
I just imagine it. I just throw up in my mouth a little bit.
Sounds like a Halo Elite.
At least I could've point my finger and laugh, and get it as a joke like that... this way I can't, it has to be taken seriously :(
Avp-r would be better with those idiotic ideas, I think....
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Jun 16, 2010, 08:36:30 AM
Avp-r would be better with those idiotic ideas, I think....
Look, if it was a parody film I'd enjoy it more.
AVPR ;D
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 16, 2010, 09:38:17 AM
Quote from: 08yeyinde on Jun 16, 2010, 08:36:30 AM
Avp-r would be better with those idiotic ideas, I think....
Look, if it was a parody film I'd enjoy it more.
I was
so wrong with this statement.
It's not even funny as a parody.
;D in my mind it's simple
AvP and AvP-R are parodies .When i want to laught , i don't watch an humoristic one man show but an AvP movie. It usually makes me laught to tears :D
Easily one of the avp film even if someone likes avp/avpr they should at least either know there bad and/or like the originals more.
AvP would never get my vote. I'm very fond of that little movie.
But you do recognise that all the originals are better right?
The matter with AvP is the fact the preds are so unlike the real Stan Winston Pred ( in appearance, strength , resistance even in technology) that i don't even feel i'm looking to an Alien vs Predator movie.
It's more like (IMHO) an Black Raptor vs rasta space hunters movie
That's how i feel personally
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Jun 19, 2010, 07:00:03 PM
But you do recognise that all the originals are better right?
Define originals.
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Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Jun 19, 2010, 07:00:03 PM
But you do recognise that all the originals are better right?
Define originals.
I'm sure he means;
Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Predator, Predator 2.
Yer. Also maybe A:R if you count that as one of the originals I don't since it was made quite a while after alien3
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Jun 19, 2010, 07:50:38 PM
I'm sure he means;
Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Predator, Predator 2.
If that's the case, I prefer it to Alien3 and Resurectum.
I thought Alien: Resurrection was good but once it introduced the Newborn, the movie just went downhill from there. :-\
Whats Wrong with you people the worst has to be Alien 3 it drags on for ages, its in a emtpy prison, poor Newt and that Marine died, and the alien is alone and from a godamn dog.
2nd worst is the first alien because the sounds are rubbish and the film drags on way too long. Sure AVPR wasn't the best but it denetly wasn't the worst, It had aliens vs a kick ass pred and some complex main character, allthough the ending was rubbish since they are not planning on making another one.
Quote from: Night Warrior on Jun 20, 2010, 07:16:54 PM
Whats Wrong with you people the worst has to be Alien 3 it drags on for ages, its in a emtpy prison, poor Newt and that Marine died, and the alien is alone and from a godamn dog.
2nd worst is the first alien because the sounds are rubbish and the film drags on way too long. Sure AVPR wasn't the best but it denetly wasn't the worst, It had aliens vs a kick ass pred and some complex main character, allthough the ending was rubbish since they are not planning on making another one.
Sounds in
Alien being bad? Kick ass Pred in
that film?
Complex characters?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vfSk-6tIvo
Quote from: Night Warrior on Jun 20, 2010, 07:16:54 PM
Whats Wrong with you people the worst has to be Alien 3 it drags on for ages, its in a emtpy prison, poor Newt and that Marine died, and the alien is alone and from a godamn dog.
2nd worst is the first alien because the sounds are rubbish and the film drags on way too long. Sure AVPR wasn't the best but it denetly wasn't the worst, It had aliens vs a kick ass pred and some complex main character, allthough the ending was rubbish since they are not planning on making another one.
I stopped taking this post seriously at the start of the second paragraph.
But hey, to each its own, right? ;) :)
Quote from: Night Warrior on Jun 20, 2010, 07:16:54 PM
Whats Wrong with you people the worst has to be Alien 3 it drags on for ages, its in a emtpy prison, poor Newt and that Marine died, and the alien is alone and from a godamn dog.
2nd worst is the first alien because the sounds are rubbish and the film drags on way too long. Sure AVPR wasn't the best but it denetly wasn't the worst, It had aliens vs a kick ass pred and some complex main character, allthough the ending was rubbish since they are not planning on making another one.
I must resist the urge to strangle you with your entrails.
It would appear I've been grossly mis-informed about resurrection.
Please tell me you didn't accept everybody elses opinions on it without watching it yourself?
Resurrection is much deeper than People give it credit for.
Quote from: Night Warrior on Jun 20, 2010, 07:16:54 PM
Whats Wrong with you people the worst has to be Alien 3 it drags on for ages, its in a emtpy prison, poor Newt and that Marine died, and the alien is alone and from a godamn dog.
2nd worst is the first alien because the sounds are rubbish and the film drags on way too long. Sure AVPR wasn't the best but it denetly wasn't the worst, It had aliens vs a kick ass pred and some complex main character, allthough the ending was rubbish since they are not planning on making another one.
Ok seriously?
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Jun 20, 2010, 08:41:38 PM
Please tell me you didn't accept everybody elses opinions on it without watching it yourself?
Seen it many times.
Quote from: Night Warrior on Jun 20, 2010, 07:16:54 PM
Whats Wrong with you people the worst has to be Alien 3 it drags on for ages, its in a emtpy prison, poor Newt and that Marine died, and the alien is alone and from a godamn dog.
2nd worst is the first alien because the sounds are rubbish and the film drags on way too long. Sure AVPR wasn't the best but it denetly wasn't the worst, It had aliens vs a kick ass pred and some complex main character, allthough the ending was rubbish since they are not planning on making another one.
Tasteless troll is tasteless.
You would know. :D
^ Obvious troll has spoken.
^ Failed troll is failing.
Quote from: Night Warrior on Jun 20, 2010, 07:16:54 PM
Whats Wrong with you people the worst has to be Alien 3 it drags on for ages, its in a emtpy prison, poor Newt and that Marine died, and the alien is alone and from a godamn dog.
2nd worst is the first alien because the sounds are rubbish and the film drags on way too long. Sure AVPR wasn't the best but it denetly wasn't the worst, It had aliens vs a kick ass pred and some complex main character, allthough the ending was rubbish since they are not planning on making another one.
"Calling
Alien a bad movie makes Jack a angry boy"
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Quote from: Night Warrior on Jun 20, 2010, 07:16:54 PM
Whats Wrong with you people the worst has to be Alien 3 it drags on for ages, its in a emtpy prison, poor Newt and that Marine died, and the alien is alone and from a godamn dog.
2nd worst is the first alien because the sounds are rubbish and the film drags on way too long. Sure AVPR wasn't the best but it denetly wasn't the worst, It had aliens vs a kick ass pred and some complex main character, allthough the ending was rubbish since they are not planning on making another one.
Just an opinion, just an opinion...
But the way he words it is as if he is speaking fact.
Maybe he's just playing mind-tricks with us or something. You know how all new members are, they just want to screw us up.
I find it best to just laugh it off. Either he'll amend his views (or at least his way of putting it), or he'll have to put up with lot's-o-flak in numerous threads.
Quote from: Night Warrior on Jun 20, 2010, 07:16:54 PM
Whats Wrong with you people the worst has to be Alien 3 it drags on for ages, its in a emtpy prison, poor Newt and that Marine died, and the alien is alone and from a godamn dog.
2nd worst is the first alien because the sounds are rubbish and the film drags on way too long. Sure AVPR wasn't the best but it denetly wasn't the worst, It had aliens vs a kick ass pred and some complex main character, allthough the ending was rubbish since they are not planning on making another one.
Wait wut? Complex Characters? :o Are you serious? And I hope what you meant by Alien drags on way too long is it masterfully builds suspense.
EL OH EL at Night Warrior's opinion. But it is an opinion... so meh.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 20, 2010, 08:43:33 PM
Resurrection is much deeper than People give it credit for.
I quite enjoy Resurrection myself, but I'd hardly call it deep. It's an extremely routine sci-fi action horror with lots of splatter. The cloning aspect makes it a little more interesting than the more mundane sci-fi efforts, but there's not much to it.
Resurrection does have an unappreciated depth - it's just a bit difficult to spot. However if people don't really dig the film, they're unlikely to go looking for it.
I've just watched the SE and TC again in the last few days and spotted some interesting bits and pieces I never noticed before. Mind you it's really trivial stuff most people wouldn't care about even if they did notice it.
What makes it deep?
I wouldn't go so far as to say it's "deep", but it has more depth than people give it credit for. Like the irony of Ripley becoming - and embracing - the very thing so sought to destroy, and the further irony of Ripley re-discovering her humanity via a robot (who in turn is repulsed by what she is - while Ripley isn't; neither of herself nor Call), with no help from real humans, who are lacking in humanity.
Quote from: SM on Jun 21, 2010, 05:16:37 AM
I wouldn't go so far as to say it's "deep", but it has more depth than people give it credit for. Like the irony of Ripley becoming - and embracing - the very thing so sought to destroy, and the further irony of Ripley re-discovering her humanity via a robot (who in turn is repulsed by what she is - while Ripley isn't; neither of herself nor Call), with no help from real humans, who are lacking in humanity.
Exactly what I was pointing to.
I'd add anyways the anti-genetics message which is very strong in there, beginning with the Newborn (which is also truely underrated).
Plus they develop in interesting ways the character of Ripley. I remember one scene (in the special edition I think) where they shown her a picture of a little girl and she almost cried.
That was a nod on how she suffered upon Newt's death, and not even cloning (thus cancelling 99% of the memories) could erase the sorrow of such loss.
Ressurection wasnt a bad movie. but its imposible to compare it to say, Aliens because there is too many things that went wrong.
I would of thought that would of been your favourite and how did things go wrong? Is it due to the franchise go in a wrong direction (in your opinion)was it due to the franchise taking a different route? That is the only problem I could see that some would have issues with
From a Storyline Point of View, Alien: Resurrection is really redundant. The Story could have perfectly have been closed with Alien3 (and IMHO, before it), but Fox decided to do another sequel.
In most cases this is a bad thing, but Resurrection is kind of an exception if you ask me.
It has got likeable characters, fantastic acting, fantastic SFX, unique photography (with all this brown/reddish/bronze hue), good pacing and a very well developed metaphor under it.
And matricide.
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Stewie was so right for the role of ripley ;) esspecialy after tj's last comment.
I find that insulting.
Who the hell chose Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, or Predator, and Predator 2 over AvP: R? That's just sick.
Get the people; I'll get the torches and pitchforks!
Pulse rifles, and thermal vision for everyone!
A bit more high-tech than I had in mind, but I'll roll with it!
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Does it matter?
If someone liked AVP:R over Alien and Predator they did. Tastless to us , YEAH , to them NO.
They just gotta be re-educated. Have to discuss some matters of the spirit...
if my spirit you mean kicking them where the back loses his name then im all for it.
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Jun 21, 2010, 04:53:50 PM
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Stewie was so right for the role of ripley ;) esspecialy after tj's last comment.
For real, Kane's Son ain't got nothin on him ;D
Alien R
God damn that ugly newborn literally ruined it for me...
Not on the list... but definately Predators
I haven't even seen it yet, but I don't think it could possibly be any worse than AvP:R.
Yep that is what I thought too... AVP-R is not looking so bad anymore...
Quote from: Skunkworks on Jul 15, 2010, 02:55:50 PM
Yep that is what I thought too... AVP-R is not looking so bad anymore...
Not saying your opinion is wrong, but the general consensus is pointing to wards better than both avp's and in some cases predator 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM
AvP:R made the first AvP and A:R look good. What a giant globe of shit.
Quote from: Skunkworks on Jul 15, 2010, 02:04:27 PM
Not on the list... but definately Predators
What?!?!?
You be trollin'.
It's his opinion; you should know about this argument.
Well if you want facts, the worst reviewed, is AVPR.
Well, he thinks that the worst is Predators.
And honestly, even if I agree this time with the critics, their opinion is like 70% of the times bullshit only, and as said, an opinion.
I liked AvP-R slightly better than AvP. Am I weird? :P
Quote from: scarhunter92 on Jul 22, 2010, 08:31:18 PM
I liked AvP-R slightly better than AvP. Am I weird? :P
No.
As much as I HATE the first AvP. I have to say Resurrection. The acting is better in this movie than both AvP's but it completely ruined any credibility the franchise had and the Alien Hybrid is the biggest piece of Texas trailer trash Ive ever seen. I don't know why AvP-R is hated so much here it was 10 times better than the first. Didn't ruin the franchise because it was already ruined with the first AvP. Plus it was all what we wanted to see bad ass Pred, Rated-R, people getting messed up. I mean if you went into the movie expecting Grade A acting and story (not to be rude) your a idiot. From watching the trailers I knew there was gonna be no acting and barely any script I accepted it for what it was Aliens and Predators destroying everybody and everything. And I was not disappointed.
That film was hated so much because it was terrible. Not much more to it than that, really.
So were AvP and Resurrection, so go figure.
Not saying otherwise, although I would put both of those under the "okay" category.
That thing called "the newborn" isn't even remotely close to OK.
Quote from: Skunkworks on Jul 15, 2010, 02:04:27 PM
Not on the list... but definately Predators
Give this noob a medal.
While the worst movies of the franchise are undoubtedly the AVPs and A:R, Predators takes the cake for inept badness. I can take AVP for it's cheesy fun, A:R for it's strong visuals and AVPR for it's OTT gore. Predators however is an absolute borefest with none of these qualities.
Predators is to the Predator franchise as Alien 3 (Assembly Cut) is to the Alien franchise.......pray they never get a Resurrection.
AVPR. Hands down. As far as I know, no other movie did things as poorly as AVPR.
Yeah I know one.....NO!!!!! TWO!!!!!!! Alien Resurrection and AvP.
AVP:R is the worst film.
Bad in every area. It had two points i'll give it though:
1.) It returned the Predator ( Wolf a Predator ...) back to its original , sleek , cool , and thin design. Not the footaball playing AVP Predators ( American Football.)
2.) It had a PredAlien. A concept I liked ( Though it was portrayed like S**T in the film.) I still liked the idea of a PredAlien in a film.
After AVP:R i'd say the second AVP comes in close after.
I guess it being R did nothing for yah ? I guess you like movies that are rated PG-13 even though they were said to be R and even though the two franchises it brought together which was 6 movies being R absolutly made sense giving it a PG-13 rating right?
AvP-R is a negative not a positive...........I must be in Bizarro world. Where's Mr. Mxyzptlk
It being " R" doesn't matter much. Sure ... its good to have gore ... some of it.
I didn't like Alien / Predator for having gore or sex or graphic language. Some movies I do like for those three elements but I didn't like A/P for gore.
I must say the "R" rating was better then a PG - 13 rating ... But the enhanced gore didn't make it go up much. Infact the majority of the gore was unessicary.
But I do count the "R" rating as another plus ... So thats THREE.
As long as you acknowledge the R rating.
What's the rating got to do with it? A shit film's a shit film.
Quote from: #6.0 on Jul 23, 2010, 04:16:21 AM
AVPR. Hands down. As far as I know, no other movie did things as poorly as AVPR.
Cool,so have you even seen the other films to compare in the first place? ???
Just watched AR the other day.
How anyone can put this on the level of suck of AVPR is beyond me.
Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 23, 2010, 04:42:49 AM
I guess it being R did nothing for yah ? I guess you like movies that are rated PG-13 even though they were said to be R and even though the two franchises it brought together which was 6 movies being R absolutly made sense giving it a PG-13 rating right?
The quality of a film isn't absolutely affected by its rating. A film can be tense without blood. And by the way, even a PG-13 can be bloody, just look at
Tremors, the Lost World and
Jaws.AvPR brought the gore in it to two different levels: the comical level, and the absolutely digusting level. The Gore ain't something that raises the quality of the film. Crap it is with gore, crap it would be without.
Quote from: Spaghetti on Jul 23, 2010, 08:03:03 AM
Just watched AR the other day.
How anyone can put this on the level of suck of AVPR is beyond me.
I hear that pal, I can't absolutely agree with those who say so. A:R is beyond everything AvPR could ever be.
Whoever voted for ALIEN and PREDATOR, I will personally gut them. :D
I'm with
Purebreed on that one.
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Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jul 23, 2010, 11:57:37 AM
Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 23, 2010, 04:42:49 AM
I guess it being R did nothing for yah ? I guess you like movies that are rated PG-13 even though they were said to be R and even though the two franchises it brought together which was 6 movies being R absolutly made sense giving it a PG-13 rating right?
The quality of a film isn't absolutely affected by its rating. A film can be tense without blood. And by the way, even a PG-13 can be bloody, just look at Tremors, the Lost World and Jaws.
AvPR brought the gore in it to two different levels: the comical level, and the absolutely digusting level. The Gore ain't something that raises the quality of the film. Crap it is with gore, crap it would be without.
Quote from: Spaghetti on Jul 23, 2010, 08:03:03 AM
Just watched AR the other day.
How anyone can put this on the level of suck of AVPR is beyond me.
I hear that pal, I can't absolutely agree with those who say so. A:R is beyond everything AvPR could ever be.
The newborn for one. Bringing back Ripley and bastardizing the character. Plus what gore in the movie was disgusting I thought everything was in good taste.
Thanks for the sig by the way.
A:R had bad moments.
The Newborn was bad. Riply being ressurected was bad.
But the acting was great:
Ron Perlman
Brad Dourif
Weaver
Ryder
I mean come on!
The story was also exciting and had a good pace. The Newborn can't ruin a whole film. I like the setting also.
Quote from: Vulhala on Jul 23, 2010, 12:29:02 PM
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Quote from: The PredBen on Jul 23, 2010, 04:42:00 PM
The Newborn can't ruin a whole film. I like the setting also.
Oh yes it can/did.
Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 23, 2010, 06:59:29 PM
Quote from: The PredBen on Jul 23, 2010, 04:42:00 PM
The Newborn can't ruin a whole film. I like the setting also.
Oh yes it can/did.
I agree with you, A:R is a decent Alien film, the weakest but decent, up until the Newborn shows up. From then on it's a disaster.
Worst Alien film = Alien: Resurrection
Worst Predator film = Predators
Worst AVP film = AVP: Requiem
Worst of all nine films = AVP: Requiem
Alien I, Aliens & Predator I are just about inseparable at the absolute top of the tree, here. On any given day, I could choose one over the other two. Alien I has the most suspense, the best pacing. Predator I, the best one-liners, the best setting. Aliens, the best action, & the best replay value. Arguably, the most entertaining characters, too.
Below these sit Predator II & Alien III. Two very different films, & again, difficult for me to split. I very much appreciate both, & feel each is under-rated significantly, but they both carry considerable drawbacks the films above them do not. Predator II has fun with itself & is action-driven, while Alien III is deadly-serious, & a very sobering, sombre tale of woe. Again, could go either way, dependent on the day.
Third level is occupied by AVP I & Predators. Both films did some good things, had some nice touches, but their positives were, ultimately, handsomely over-whelmed by their short-comings & failings. In short, they were more bad than good. They have some entertainment value, but probably hurt the original franchises more than they contributed to them.
Bottom-rung, beneath contempt, lowest of the low, absolute money-making trash, are Alien: Resurrection & AVP: Requiem. The worst of these is the latter, no question --- that's how poor that was. Each, though, should be dust-binned for good, & in the case of AVP: Requiem, the Directors should be imprisoned.
Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 23, 2010, 04:36:53 PM
Plus what gore in the movie was disgusting I thought everything was in good taste.
Pregnant women exploding with multiple bursters on-screen for no apparent reason other than lazy writing is in good taste?
Quote from: Spaghetti on Jul 23, 2010, 08:03:03 AM
Just watched AR the other day.
How anyone can put this on the level of suck of AVPR is beyond me.
When you have Ron Perlman and something that's pretending to be what we call an Alien, it's not hard.
> Implying that Ron Perlman makes things worse by definition.
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Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 23, 2010, 08:56:08 PM
Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 23, 2010, 04:36:53 PM
Plus what gore in the movie was disgusting I thought everything was in good taste.
Pregnant women exploding with multiple bursters on-screen for no apparent reason other than lazy writing is in good taste?
Hilarious if anything.
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Jul 23, 2010, 08:51:16 PM
Worst Alien film = Alien: Resurrection
Worst Predator film = Predators
Worst AVP film = AVP: Requiem
Worst of all nine films = AVP: Requiem
Alien I, Aliens & Predator I are just about inseparable at the absolute top of the tree, here. On any given day, I could choose one over the other two. Alien I has the most suspense, the best pacing. Predator I, the best one-liners, the best setting. Aliens, the best action, & the best replay value. Arguably, the most entertaining characters, too.
Below these sit Predator II & Alien III. Two very different films, & again, difficult for me to split. I very much appreciate both, & feel each is under-rated significantly, but they both carry considerable drawbacks the films above them do not. Predator II has fun with itself & is action-driven, while Alien III is deadly-serious, & a very sobering, sombre tale of woe. Again, could go either way, dependent on the day.
Third level is occupied by AVP I & Predators. Both films did some good things, had some nice touches, but their positives were, ultimately, handsomely over-whelmed by their short-comings & failings. In short, they were more bad than good. They have some entertainment value, but probably hurt the original franchises more than they contributed to them.
Bottom-rung, beneath contempt, lowest of the low, absolute money-making trash, are Alien: Resurrection & AVP: Requiem. The worst of these is the latter, no question --- that's how poor that was. Each, though, should be dust-binned for good, & in the case of AVP: Requiem, the Directors should be imprisoned.
How can you say Predators is on the same level as AvP. That is a f**king insult. If anything AvP and AvPR are on the same level.
AvP being the worst. At least the Stauses got things right. I cant think of anything that went right in AvP.
Predalien vomiting into humans' mouth and aliens running away like scared rabbits isn't right, not by a long shot.
What seemed morally right about any of the things that went on in that movie??. It had no moral's or boundaries. Every one got destroyed like they should have.
I personally think Alien Ressurrection was the worst. The Newborn was a bad idea from start to finish.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Jul 24, 2010, 04:55:39 AM
> Implying that Ron Perlman makes things worse by definition.
RAGEFACE.JPEG
He was one of my favorite parts........
Damn straight!
:D :D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 24, 2010, 04:58:41 AM
aliens running away like scared rabbits isn't right, not by a long shot.
I don't remember seeing this.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 24, 2010, 05:46:20 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 24, 2010, 04:58:41 AM
aliens running away like scared rabbits isn't right, not by a long shot.
I don't remember seeing this.
Of course you didn't. It was in
that movie. You couldn't see anything. ;)
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 24, 2010, 05:48:55 AM
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 24, 2010, 05:46:20 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 24, 2010, 04:58:41 AM
aliens running away like scared rabbits isn't right, not by a long shot.
I don't remember seeing this.
Of course you didn't. It was in that movie. You couldn't see anything. ;)
That comment is just redundant. I've seen AvP-R plenty of times and have no problem with the lighting.
It's fine in most scenes. Unfortunately, the scenes where it gets bad are the ones that should be the most interesting, i.e. the fights.
And I think I heard it was the colour-grading, not the lighting.
I see it perfectly. (I wonder if they changed it for the blu-ray)
That's what I've heard. All I've seen, though, was a pirated version of the theatrical release and a TV broadcast; both were abysmally bad.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 24, 2010, 06:05:26 AM
I see it perfectly. (I wonder if they changed it for the blu-ray)
Blu-Ray is awesome quality in this case.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 24, 2010, 06:15:37 AM
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 24, 2010, 06:05:26 AM
I see it perfectly. (I wonder if they changed it for the blu-ray)
Blu-Ray is awesome quality in this case.
Must..... buy..... now...
Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 24, 2010, 04:56:51 AM
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 23, 2010, 08:56:08 PM
Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 23, 2010, 04:36:53 PM
Plus what gore in the movie was disgusting I thought everything was in good taste.
Pregnant women exploding with multiple bursters on-screen for no apparent reason other than lazy writing is in good taste?
Hilarious if anything.
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Jul 23, 2010, 08:51:16 PM
Worst Alien film = Alien: Resurrection
Worst Predator film = Predators
Worst AVP film = AVP: Requiem
Worst of all nine films = AVP: Requiem
Alien I, Aliens & Predator I are just about inseparable at the absolute top of the tree, here. On any given day, I could choose one over the other two. Alien I has the most suspense, the best pacing. Predator I, the best one-liners, the best setting. Aliens, the best action, & the best replay value. Arguably, the most entertaining characters, too.
Below these sit Predator II & Alien III. Two very different films, & again, difficult for me to split. I very much appreciate both, & feel each is under-rated significantly, but they both carry considerable drawbacks the films above them do not. Predator II has fun with itself & is action-driven, while Alien III is deadly-serious, & a very sobering, sombre tale of woe. Again, could go either way, dependent on the day.
Third level is occupied by AVP I & Predators. Both films did some good things, had some nice touches, but their positives were, ultimately, handsomely over-whelmed by their short-comings & failings. In short, they were more bad than good. They have some entertainment value, but probably hurt the original franchises more than they contributed to them.
Bottom-rung, beneath contempt, lowest of the low, absolute money-making trash, are Alien: Resurrection & AVP: Requiem. The worst of these is the latter, no question --- that's how poor that was. Each, though, should be dust-binned for good, & in the case of AVP: Requiem, the Directors should be imprisoned.
How can you say Predators is on the same level as AvP. That is a f**king insult. If anything AvP and AvPR are on the same level.
AvP being the worst. At least the Stauses got things right. I cant think of anything that went right in AvP.
LOL. It's an insult? No kidding --- of course it's an insult. Did you not get the gist of that in my post? Heh.
I can think of one basic, fundamental thing
AVP got right --- having hardened, specialist characters (they were sub-rate, yes, but the
idea was intact) with weapons. That's a traditional staple of the genre.
What is
not, "getting it right," is replacing such individuals with the cast of
Dawson's F-cking Creek. Un-for-give-able.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 24, 2010, 04:52:54 AM
When you have Ron Perlman
Whats your beef with Ron? He was better than anyone in AVPR.
Quoteand something that's pretending to be what we call an Alien
newborn>>>>>chet
newborn was a far superior animatronic, it had personality and didn't look like a chubby guy in a bobblehead suit.
Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 23, 2010, 04:36:53 PM
The newborn for one.
Yes. In fact, the Newborn is a strong and disturbing
Metaphor against genetic engineering. Metaphors in AvPR? Pfffft.
Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 23, 2010, 04:36:53 PM
Bringing back Ripley and bastardizing the character.
Please don't tell me that you wanted another character that took her place.
Quote from: Crazy Joe Devola on Jul 23, 2010, 04:36:53 PM
Plus what gore in the movie was disgusting I thought everything was in good taste.
The gore in AvPR is abismally bigger in quantity but if I don't remember wrong you like it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 24, 2010, 04:52:54 AM
When you have Ron Perlman
What exactly is
wrong with Ron Perlman? He's one of the best actors to be involved in either franchise.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 24, 2010, 04:52:54 AM
and something that's pretending to be what we call an Alien,
The Newborn pretends to be an hybrid, and a metaphor against genetic engineering (as said above).
And, It suceeds at what it wants and was supposed to be.
Quote from: Spaghetti on Jul 24, 2010, 07:44:14 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 24, 2010, 04:52:54 AM
When you have Ron Perlman
Whats your beef with Ron? He was better than anyone in AVPR.
It's more his character than anything else. Felt so out of place, not like the Alien films call for dark comedy.
Quote from: Spaghetti on Jul 24, 2010, 07:44:14 AM
newborn>>>>>chet
newborn was a far superior animatronic, it had personality and didn't look like a chubby guy in a bobblehead suit.
At least Chet didn't have a vagina going up his chest. Chet was nicer to look at.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 24, 2010, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: Spaghetti on Jul 24, 2010, 07:44:14 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 24, 2010, 04:52:54 AM
When you have Ron Perlman
Whats your beef with Ron? He was better than anyone in AVPR.
It's more his character than anything else. Felt so out of place, not like the Alien films call for dark comedy.
Quote from: Spaghetti on Jul 24, 2010, 07:44:14 AM
newborn>>>>>chet
newborn was a far superior animatronic, it had personality and didn't look like a chubby guy in a bobblehead suit.
At least Chet didn't have a vagina going up his chest. Chet was nicer to look at.
Nicer to look at if you could actually see her.
I could. So nerr.
Can you give me your copy of the movie, 'cause mine must be broken.
Anyway, I still think Requiem is the worst film in the franchise, however I can watch it on occasion and enjoy certain moments.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 24, 2010, 03:18:37 PM
At least Chet didn't have a vagina going up his chest.
That was cut out of the film, edited out in post-production, so
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 24, 2010, 03:27:18 PM
nerr
right back at you!
AVPR. It was enjoyable 9except for the hospital scenes) and I'll watch it on TV, but it was my least favorite.
Is untrue
Sadly not.
AvPR is the definitive example of how not to make a film.
It describes how not to make a standalone film.
It describes not how to make a sequel.
It describes not how to make a franchise film.
It describes how not to make a horror film.
It describes how not to make a sci-fi film.
It describes how not to handle action sequences.
It describes how not to handle the intellectual property of others.
Ect.
Quote from: MadassAlex on Jul 24, 2010, 07:09:31 PM
Sadly not.
AvPR is the definitive example of how not to make a film.
It describes how not to make a standalone film.
It describes not how to make a sequel.
It describes not how to make a franchise film.
It describes how not to make a horror film.
It describes how not to make a sci-fi film.
It describes how not to handle action sequences.
It describes how not to handle the intellectual property of others.
Ect.
Couldn't have said it better
AVPR and Alien Rez are pretty close... i mean comon what was the director of avpr thinking? it was sooo dark. They put a black predalien onto a black backround. how are you supposed to see anything
Quote from: MadassAlex on Jul 24, 2010, 07:09:31 PM
Sadly not.
The film had it's moments, even haters have to admit it.
like which?
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 24, 2010, 07:42:23 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Jul 24, 2010, 07:09:31 PM
Sadly not.
The film had it's moments, even haters have to admit it.
The Predator planet was a great visual....also,how does that change the rest of the film?
People saying that the movie was just a pile of shit bugs me. They may dislike(hate) the movie but to say that it is just shit is an uncreative way to constantly trash the film..... It also makes them look like sheep. Such a term implies the film is filled with not one good scene/idea and saying that is bullshit.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 24, 2010, 08:02:20 PM
People saying that the movie was just a pile of shit bugs me. They may dislike(hate) the movie but to say that it is just shit is an uncreative way to constantly trash the film..... It also makes them look like sheep. Such a term implies the film is filled with not one good scene/idea and saying that is bullshit.
Well you called the gta series "crap" even though they our obviously good games which you dislike. :-\
I ended up saying that it was my opinion.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 24, 2010, 08:02:20 PMPeople saying that the movie was just a pile of shit bugs me. They may dislike(hate) the movie but to say that it is just shit is an uncreative way to constantly trash the film..... It also makes them look like sheep. Such a term implies the film is filled with not one good scene/idea and saying that is bullshit.
I can think of a creative way to trash it! AVP:R is always a destruction of the Alien/Predator Universe. Always. Jurassic Park Quote FTW!!!!
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 24, 2010, 08:09:45 PM
I ended up saying that it was my opinion.
That goes without saying in there posts as well.
I also said more than crap in a later post. Many people say it
is crap. making the statement sound like it is more than an opinion.
QuoteAVP:R is always a rape of the Alien/Predator Universe. Always. Jurassic Park Quote FTW!!!!
You just made me laugh.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 24, 2010, 08:02:20 PM
People saying that the movie was just a pile of shit bugs me. They may dislike(hate) the movie but to say that it is just shit is an uncreative way to constantly trash the film..... It also makes them look like sheep. Such a term implies the film is filled with not one good scene/idea and saying that is bullshit.
A shit film is a shit film.
Amusing how you've brought it down to one good scene/idea for defending an entire movie. :P
Quote from: XenoVC on Jul 24, 2010, 09:00:57 PM
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 24, 2010, 08:02:20 PM
People saying that the movie was just a pile of shit bugs me. They may dislike(hate) the movie but to say that it is just shit is an uncreative way to constantly trash the film..... It also makes them look like sheep. Such a term implies the film is filled with not one good scene/idea and saying that is bullshit.
A shit film is a shit film.
Amusing how you've brought it down to one good scene/idea for defending an entire movie. :P
Not as amusing as you totally missing my point.
What point was that?
The film that was done the most poorly was AVPR.
You may not like AvP-R but it is not total crap.
At least the Predalein was somewhat interesting to look at, and a fanboy design everyone wanted to see at some point in the cross over series. Now to the Newborn: wasn't in the movie for like 5 mins before it got shot out of a pin size hole which isn't even feasible possible in relative physics but sense its a movie(shitty one at that) I let it slide. Then comes in the horrendous look it had, plus the goofy idiotic sound it makes. All the while Ripley cant do anything but look at the hideous f**king creature with dog eyes.............gay. But honestly I could give a shit less because all of that combined made it a better movie than AvP.
AvP could have been great but Anderson ruined it. AvP-R was doomed from the start and not wasn't the Strauses entire fault like Andersons. I enjoyed the movie for what it was and what I knew to expect. Which was shitty acting shitty story lots of mindless action and Plenty of gore to go around plus what we all wanted to see and what wasn't in the first.......Predator kicking Alien ass. I hoped as we all did and expected AvP to be epic and it wasn't it was the shittiest movie in the entire 8 movie saga and nothing will ever change that for me. 10 min Alien life cycle are you f**king kidding me??? At least the fights in Avp-R were interesting and realistic in terms of canon from what we expected to see in a Alien vs Predator fight. Not that shitty WWE Royal Rumble match between Celtic Pred and Grid alien which was way to long and served no purpose other than to show how pussy the Predators were. I'm sorry but pussy and predators don't ever go together but for this movie they do and that's why its the worst. EVER.
Guys, chill. This doesn't need to turn into flaming against certain members.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Jul 24, 2010, 07:42:23 PM
Quote from: MadassAlex on Jul 24, 2010, 07:09:31 PM
Sadly not.
The film had it's moments, even haters have to admit it.
Yes, why not. Wolf in the crashed ship was a great moment and one of Ian Whyte's best interpretations thus far. The large shots of the Predator Planet were also cool.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Jul 24, 2010, 04:52:19 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 24, 2010, 03:18:37 PM
At least Chet didn't have a vagina going up his chest.
That was cut out of the film, edited out in post-production, so
So it was tiny vag instead, not a super-sized one. Either way it was stupid.
The actual in-film Newborn has no traces of visible sexual apparates.
Meh, I haven't seen the film in years...not really interested in watching it again.
Swinging between AR and AVPR. Both completely unnecessary and out-of-tone with the series. Settled for voting AVPR.
Alien Ressurection is the worst of them. The newborn makes me want to :'(
It's supposed to make you want to hurl. It's meant to represent an abomination of the species, and by god it succeeded.
Quote from: ScoobySnax on Aug 01, 2010, 08:26:06 PM
It's supposed to make you want to hurl. It's meant to represent an abomination of the species, and by god it succeeded.
I get it. And if you like the Newborn that's great but I hated the whole knocking off the head/jaw of the Queen I thought that was really stupid.
Quote from: InfamousYautja on Aug 01, 2010, 08:17:26 PM
Alien Ressurection is the worst of them. The newborn makes me want to :'(
Even though we disagree on the AvP films, we can agree that the newborn sucks. I remember when I first saw it. My reaction was unforgettable. In fact, here it is.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_CQUVBaE1_hU%2FSIUUQ_S9L1I%2FAAAAAAAAA10%2FmANsn_Cpcds%2Fs400%2Finthemouthofmadness_16.jpg&hash=04e72fb64bdf5502458e4acc95a5a44b4bc31040)
Quote from: TheMonolith on Aug 01, 2010, 08:29:32 PM
Quote from: InfamousYautja on Aug 01, 2010, 08:17:26 PM
Alien Ressurection is the worst of them. The newborn makes me want to :'(
Even though we disagree on the AvP films, we can agree that the newborn sucks. I remember when I first saw it. My reaction was unforgettable. In fact, here it is.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CQUVBaE1_hU/SIUUQ_S9L1I/AAAAAAAAA10/mANsn_Cpcds/s400/inthemouthofmadness_16.jpg
Nice one. lol
A:R for me since it really destroyed what i saw in the aliens...too much funny parts, less scary. heck AVPR is just as bad so i hate both of them rlly.
Well I at least found AVP: R redeeming for the fact it had a pretty cool Predator in it.The first AVP movie was kind of a bit stupid with the Human/Predator teamup and it tried to mess with the canon a lot.
Quote from: ChanceVance on Aug 06, 2010, 11:17:13 AM
Well I at least found AVP: R redeeming for the fact it had a pretty cool Predator in it.The first AVP movie was kind of a bit stupid with the Human/Predator teamup and it tried to mess with the canon a lot.
AVPR didnt try and mess with canon at all did it ::)
Quote from: Keg on Aug 06, 2010, 11:22:37 AM
Quote from: ChanceVance on Aug 06, 2010, 11:17:13 AM
Well I at least found AVP: R redeeming for the fact it had a pretty cool Predator in it.The first AVP movie was kind of a bit stupid with the Human/Predator teamup and it tried to mess with the canon a lot.
AVPR didnt try and mess with canon at all did it ::)
No, it respected all the precedently estabilished canon! No contrasts at all! AVPR IS DEH BEST FILM EVURZ HURR
Canon and continuity aside I still find AVP the worst in the franchise.
Alien Ressurection juast always makes me wanna gag. and, that happens to be the first Alien film that i saw in theaters.
bad experience in the theatre then requiem28?
Quote from: chazo136 on Aug 06, 2010, 11:09:39 PM
bad experience in the theatre then requiem28?
yah, i was about 4 when i saw it. not a good movie to watch at that age.
my dad new i liked jurassic park. he probably thought that A:R was another one cause the aliens looked like dinos?
what ever.
All tho AVP:R was not the best film like the story was wack and the acting was horrible but i think it made up with the ACTION you cant argue that ,like i watch these films for the ACTION/HORROR/GORE/and a decent story to keep me interested in and out of all the films i got to say the only movie i fell asleep watching was Alien3 i don't know, never really got into it but actually finished it and wasn't really satisfied with it but the acting and story was good just not my kind of film, i just picked that movie because its my least fav.
Quote from: ScarPredator14 on Aug 06, 2010, 11:41:25 PM
All tho AVP:R was not the best film like the story was wack and the acting was horrible but i think it made up with the ACTION you cant argue that ,like i watch these films for the ACTION/HORROR/GORE/and a decent story to keep me interested in and out of all the films i got to say the only movie i fell asleep watching was Alien3 i don't know, never really got into it but actually finished it and wasn't really satisfied with it but the acting and story was good just not my kind of film, i just picked that movie because its my least fav.
perfectly agreeable.
Who voted Alien? :P I guess because it's a slow-paced 70s arthouse film (more so than the rest).
To be honest while some of the movies are much weaker than the rest, I've thoroughly enjoyed each and every film. But for me the weakest in the series (taken on its own and not comparing with the rest) was probably predator 2 and avp. It's a total toss up for me between the two.
id rather watch AVPR than A:R
I'd rather watch A:R 10x than AvPR.
no...just no...A:R ruined my love for the aliens, i had to watch the older alien films and hit my head several times, AVPR IMO is better than A:R, mainly because the aliens arnt prcks, or over the top intelligent b*stards.
The poll says it all really doesnt it. AVPR way ahead in front by a substantial margin. I'd be shocked if that wasnt the case.
Quote from: chazo136 on Aug 08, 2010, 08:08:25 AM
no...just no...A:R ruined my love for the aliens, i had to watch the older alien films and hit my head several times, AVPR IMO is better than A:R, mainly because the aliens arnt prcks, or over the top intelligent b*stards.
They are intelligent ::) and how can you say no to an opinion.
I just watched Alien: Resurrection today for the third time, my God. How could I forget how friggin' terrible this movie was? Jesus Christ, it's full of ridiculous, cheesy, terrible and just plain awful ideas, dialogue and scenes. I never thought I'd say this, but I'd rather watch AvP:R than Alien: Resurrection.
I now wish to call Alien: Resurrection, Alien: Resurrectum.
Now that's a change of heart, ladies and gents.
Most definetly AVPR. I won't even buy this shit fest out of the bargain bin for $2.99
Quote from: chazo136 on Aug 08, 2010, 08:08:25 AM
no...just no...A:R ruined my love for the aliens, i had to watch the older alien films and hit my head several times, AVPR IMO is better than A:R, mainly because the aliens arnt prcks, or over the top intelligent b*stards.
So... you like aliens better as flailing retards rather than cunning beasts?
I like aliens better as flailing retards than costars to terrible actors (Requiem acting > Resurrection acting, despite the better Resurrection cast), better as flailing retards than part of a god awful script (worse than Requiem, to be quite honest), and better as flailing retards than a newborn.
Quote from: EEV2650 on Aug 09, 2010, 10:09:22 PM
Most definetly AVPR. I won't even buy this shit fest out of the bargain bin for $2.99
It was on TV the other night and I thought about taping it, then thought about waiting up to watch it, then fell asleep just after Iron Chef.
Such is my dedication to not bothering to finish watching that shitfiesta.
Last time I watched it was a year ago on sidereel.com. That movie is so embarassing. I can barely look at the screen during the one part where the jocks are making fun of that kid for being a pizza delivery boy ::). Anyways, that movie is one big, giant, epic facepalm.
watched AVPR with my gf recently.
week before we watched all alien movies together and a few days before that all predator movies. she loved the original ones, and even AVP but on AVPR she started to zone out in first 5 minutes.
i watched it to the end and remembered why i didnt like it.
because its SHIT.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 09, 2010, 08:43:57 PM
Now that's a change of heart, ladies and gents.
Indeed it is. :D
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Aug 08, 2010, 06:59:04 PM
I just watched Alien: Resurrection today for the third time, my God. How could I forget how friggin' terrible this movie was? Jesus Christ, it's full of ridiculous, cheesy, terrible and just plain awful ideas, dialogue and scenes. I never thought I'd say this, but I'd rather watch AvP:R than Alien: Resurrection.
I now wish to call Alien: Resurrection, Alien: Resurrectum.
This post just made me smile. It also reminded me of the last time I watched Resurrectum. The people on this site made me give the movie another chance and they should feel ashamed for making me watch it.
Quote from: Purebreedalien on Aug 08, 2010, 06:59:04 PMI now wish to call Alien: Resurrection, Alien: Resurrectum.
...or how about Alien: Regurgitation?
Resurrectum is more clever.
I'd rather watch Resurrection and AVPR over Predators.
Quote from: Wristblades on Aug 14, 2010, 06:05:22 AM
I'd rather watch Resurrection and AVPR over Predators.
BOO!- ...oh wait, LOL!!
Quote from: Wristblades on Aug 14, 2010, 06:05:22 AM
I'd rather watch Resurrection and AVPR over Predators.
I respect thy opinion... but I must gasp in shock and horror now.
Quote from: Abomination on Aug 14, 2010, 12:54:54 PM
Quote from: Wristblades on Aug 14, 2010, 06:05:22 AM
I'd rather watch Resurrection and AVPR over Predators.
I respect thy opinion... but I must gasp in shock and horror now.
I thought you liked all three of those movies.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Aug 14, 2010, 12:57:16 PM
Quote from: Abomination on Aug 14, 2010, 12:54:54 PM
Quote from: Wristblades on Aug 14, 2010, 06:05:22 AM
I'd rather watch Resurrection and AVPR over Predators.
I respect thy opinion... but I must gasp in shock and horror now.
I thought you liked all three of those movies.
I just find Predators a better movie. Rewatching AVPR... meh... it ain't so great now.
Predators should be added to the list... btw... I think...
Yeyinde, on a side note, your new avatar is awesome. :D
THANKS^^ :D
Alien 3 and the AVP movies are the worst in my book. Alien 3 cuz they killed Hiks and Noot! And the AVP films for just sucking all around.
I never really saw the big deal with Hicks and Newt dieing.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 14, 2010, 07:13:13 PM
Yeyinde, on a side note, your new avatar is awesome. :D
Not my work, but thank you :)
Quote from: MrBrokenTusks. on Aug 14, 2010, 07:50:48 PM
THANKS^^ :D
All my graditude is yours MrBrokenTusk :)
I have the two peole making me awesome av and sig in my post :D
So thank you guys, really much :)
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Aug 15, 2010, 05:17:05 AM
I never really saw the big deal with Hicks and Newt dieing.
I just felt like it was a big "F You" to the audience, after they survived the colony in Aliens and we the audience became attached to them they're just killed off in a crash at the beginning of the movie. You see I watched all movies in a row when I was introduced to the series, so I was just recovering from being blown away by Aliens as I started with Alien 3 and the first thing that happens is they kill off my favorite Marine in his sleep and then drown Newt in her pod (and she was awake through it all). As to whether or not it's a big deal I can only say that's what I felt about the third film.
Quote from: Avenuewriter on Aug 16, 2010, 01:20:07 AM
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Aug 15, 2010, 05:17:05 AM
I never really saw the big deal with Hicks and Newt dieing.
I just felt like it was a big "F You" to the audience, after they survived the colony in Aliens and we the audience became attached to them they're just killed off in a crash at the beginning of the movie. You see I watched all movies in a row when I was introduced to the series, so I was just recovering from being blown away by Aliens as I started with Alien 3 and the first thing that happens is they kill off my favorite Marine in his sleep and then drown Newt in her pod (and she was awake through it all). As to whether or not it's a big deal I can only say that's what I felt about the third film.
I feel the same way about them --- especially Hicks. Newt, there would be little place for in such a setting, with convicts (including at least one implied paedophile) on every corner, but Hicks' death crushed me. He had purpose.
That said, I think this is quite an under-rated movie. Honestly, brojam --- watch it on its own merits, it is pretty damn decent, & I say that fully acknowledging the flaws go beyond the deaths of Hicks & Newt.
Newt was a generic innocent who's only purpose was to make us see another side of the Ripley character. Her death made the movie better because the "funeral" scene is one of the only scenes in any movie that has made me feel any emotion.
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Aug 16, 2010, 02:33:31 AM
Newt was a generic innocent who's only purpose was to make us see another side of the Ripley character. Her death made the movie better because the "funeral" scene is one of the only scenes in any movie that has made me feel any emotion.
How can you call her a generic innocent, if her funeral scene is one of the only times you felt anything during a movie?
Because the score, Dillion's speech, and Weaver's acting made me feel emotion.
Quote from: Quick N Slick on Aug 16, 2010, 03:15:35 AM
Quote from: PredalienXenomorph on Aug 16, 2010, 02:33:31 AM
Newt was a generic innocent who's only purpose was to make us see another side of the Ripley character. Her death made the movie better because the "funeral" scene is one of the only scenes in any movie that has made me feel any emotion.
How can you call her a generic innocent, if her funeral scene is one of the only times you felt anything during a movie?
It wasn't just her funeral. It was Hicks' as well.
IIRC...
Predator 2, mostly because people were just getting killed everywhere, and the way it was approached was just bad. Plus, Danny Glover isn't my ideal Bad-Ass alien killing Cop guy. Glover to me will always be the investigator from Saw.
Quote from: Clonehunter on Aug 16, 2010, 11:23:01 PM
Predator 2, mostly because people were just getting killed everywhere, and the way it was approached was just bad. Plus, Danny Glover isn't my ideal Bad-Ass alien killing Cop guy. Glover to me will always be the investigator from Saw.
Ouch, at least give the guy Lethal Weapon.
He probably hasn't seen it, hence the comment.
Quote from: Clonehunter on Aug 16, 2010, 11:23:01 PM
Predator 2, mostly because people were just getting killed everywhere, and the way it was approached was just bad. Plus, Danny Glover isn't my ideal Bad-Ass alien killing Cop guy. Glover to me will always be the investigator from Saw.
That's an awesome, awesome feature to any
Predator film ;D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 17, 2010, 01:38:04 AM
He probably hasn't seen it, hence the comment.
He's getting to young for that shit.
I see what you did thar.
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I chose AVPR, why? Because AVPR reeks so much shit I'd be drowning in it if the movie could take a shit. It just a shitty cluster f**k of knee crawling retarded Aliens, a dumbass group of people, and a Pred that can't aim worth a shit, unless there's something in front of him and constantly gets his ass knocked about. Don't get me started on the piece of f**kness that is the Predalien. It's best described as shit from a hippo thats mucking, then it passes the shit into AVPR, who then passes it on to the audiences face and then it just keeps coming because the movie can't stop shitting because it gets shittier and shittier, then the audience has to claw their way out of it! Unfortunately I'm stuck with a Blu-Ray copy, I'm selling that shit to some poor soul who'll take it so it's not in my Blu-Ray shelf. Man, f**k the Strauses and that Skyline shit? f**k that too! Thanks for raping part of my childhood...c**ts. In other words the movie sucks.
/RAGE!
AvPR, can't be anyone else (because I actually like all of the others!).
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 19, 2011, 01:59:41 PM
AvPR, can't be anyone else (because I actually like all of the others!).
Yea I must agree I loved all 4 alien films and the first predator, the others were all still fine but a bit brainless. I hated avp for a while but gave it a second chance with lower standards and found it enjoyable as an adventure movie.
AVP-R on the other hand... the only film that I refuse to watch again.
Quote from: Valaquen on Aug 16, 2010, 11:34:33 PM
Quote from: Clonehunter on Aug 16, 2010, 11:23:01 PM
Predator 2, mostly because people were just getting killed everywhere, and the way it was approached was just bad. Plus, Danny Glover isn't my ideal Bad-Ass alien killing Cop guy. Glover to me will always be the investigator from Saw.
Ouch, at least give the guy Lethal Weapon.
Hey, at least Danny Glover was good in Saw. I was definitely pulling for him the whole time it didn't turn out so great...
My least favorite is probably Alien Resurrection. Theres no sense to it. How come the people re make ripley, when she doesnt know anything? To me the movie was pointless.
Quote from: AVPmaniak on Jun 24, 2011, 05:53:22 PM
How come the people re make ripley, when she doesnt know anything?
...Dude, have you seen the movie?
Recently?
Quote from: AVPmaniak on Jun 24, 2011, 05:53:22 PM
My least favorite is probably Alien Resurrection. Theres no sense to it. How come the people re make ripley, when she doesnt know anything? To me the movie was pointless.
I know AR isn't exactly a good movie, but it isn't the worst by any means (AVPR takes that title). Anyways, they didn't clone her for what she knew, but rather for what she had in her.
Quote from: AVPmaniak on Jun 24, 2011, 05:53:22 PM
My least favorite is probably Alien Resurrection.
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I know that they clone her for whats inside her, but why? I mean if there was so many failures in the past, what makes them think it will work this time, and even so, they're trying to contain a queen. They couldnt hold an alien. So what makes them so confident?
Quote from: AVPmaniak on Jun 24, 2011, 06:34:22 PM
I know that they clone her for whats inside her, but why? I mean if there was so many failures in the past, what makes them think it will work this time, and even so, they're trying to contain a queen. They couldnt hold an alien. So what makes them so confident?
They want the Queen for the same reason as Weyland Yutani did, I believe, a bioweapon. They don't know it will work, but it does. They don't know they can't hold an Alien, they haven't had experience with one before, which is why everything went awry in the first place.
D-did I just defend Rez?
brb, gonna puke.
Quote from: AVPmaniak on Jun 24, 2011, 06:34:22 PM
I mean if there was so many failures in the past,
Humanity has been almost never stopped by its past failures.
Quote from: AVPmaniak on Jun 24, 2011, 06:34:22 PM
and even so, they're trying to contain a queen. They couldnt hold an alien.
They didn't know they couldn't.
Quote from: AVPmaniak on Jun 24, 2011, 06:34:22 PM
So what makes them so confident?
Before the events of
Resurrection?
They were humans.
Any way, how do you move up in rank here? By posting?
No, by having a discussion with DoomRulz and marking yourself with one finger of his.
...Of course, man. :P Clickity (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=3.0)
Sorry. This is my first time at a site like this.
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No, by having a discussion with DoomRulz and marking yourself with one finger of his.
...Of course, man. :P Clickity (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=3.0)
I ain't dead yet, muthaf**ka!!!!
Who the hell claimed Alien as their least favourite film and where do they live?
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Aliens VS Predator: Requiem.
That is ONE... *UGLY*... MOTHER***ER of a movie! XP
And the saddest part is... it has some of the best music of either franchise... Music that good has no place in such a terrible movie...
Quote from: Totemaster on Jun 25, 2011, 10:24:09 PM
Aliens VS Predator: Requiem.
That is ONE... *UGLY*... MOTHER***ER of a movie! XP
And the saddest part is... it has some of the best music of either franchise... Music that good has no place in such a terrible movie...
That's because It stole music from the other movies.
The movie had no originality at all, I thought I was watching gremlins.
I prefer Alien Resurrection any day for AvP Requiem..
AVPR without a doubt.
Who in God's name voted for Aliens?
Anyway, I voted Alien 3.
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Jul 07, 2011, 10:37:24 PM
Who in God's name voted for Aliens?
Anyway, I voted Alien 3.
Not sure, but I want to know who the other 9 people who voted for alien 3 are. >:(
Quote from: DJ Pu$$yface on Jul 07, 2011, 10:37:24 PM
Who in God's name voted for Aliens?
Same for
Alien. To each his own I guess.
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I would say AvPR is the worst movie ever. It would of been better if it wasn't too DARK! I saw the movie, too dark especially at the last fight Predalien vs Wolf Predator.
For me it was alien: resurrection. It was only someone beating a dead horse to make it work. The cloning issue i found was ok but stupid and the dumbest part of the movie was:
Spoiler
when the alien queen gave BIRTH to its offspring was completely the dumbest, stupedest, and ugly idea ever >:( >:( >:( >:(
.Alien 3 was actually good because it made SENSE.
Spoiler
And the fact that a dog was infected was creative in a way that it would have been the same thing as alien if a human was infected
. and it was cool to see the CEO of Weyland Utani corporation. 8) i didn't say AvP because it's the movie that started me off with the alien/predator universe any way and AvPR i thought was ok after you watch it a couple of times. ;D shame on anyone who thought alien(s) thought was a bad movie. Aliens is the BEST. Same with the original predator movies. Im surprised that no one voted for predators. i thought it was good but i thought one of u hardcore fans didnt like it. :P
AvPR.
AVP:R was just.... terrible. Predalien and Predator were cool, but that was about it.
If you watch it with subtitles, it says "ominous music playing" a LOT xD Makes me giggle.
I'm amazed that Predators doesn't have any votes against it...
This poll should really be 100% to AvPR. But it's close enough, lol.
And seriously, who voted for Alien, Aliens and Predator? Weirdos. :P
Quote from: PsyKore on Aug 25, 2011, 04:34:06 PM
And seriously, who voted for Alien, Aliens and Predator? Weirdos. :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB-wmOYelnM# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB-wmOYelnM#)
I voted for Alien3 only because, well..AVPR. What else can be said about it and it's predecessor? That hasn't been already said a thousand times here.
My reasoning behind my virtual dislike of Alien3 is due too 2 factors. 1. They killed Hicks and Newt. The whole purpose of Aliens. 2. Sigorney Weaver is in this film without a good cast. I hate her and her Ripley character anyway. But to have to sit through a whole film where they have anyone else I can root for and listen too that was memorable or likeable was. Painful to say the least.
I like to shun Alien3 and Resurrection from my mind and pretend there is only Alien and Aliens. Same with Predator and Predators. I liked Predator 2, but it was a copy paste with elements of Lethal Weapon put in for good measure. Also Predators + City = Spider-man with a gun.
A:R
It was completely unnecessary.
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Sep 08, 2011, 12:23:58 AM
Same with Predator and Predators. I liked Predator 2, but it was a copy paste with elements of Lethal Weapon put in for good measure. Also Predators + City = Spider-man with a gun.
Predators is a copy paste of
Predator but with two extra entirely useless Predators thrown in.
Out of two really bad movies I thought surely AVP was going to be worse than AVPR in the vote count. Apparently not. WTF???
for me the aliens movies were shit if it wasnt for predator than i would never of looked at any of the aliens movies.I found all the predator movies were great an they just keep getting better shore AVPR was a little bit slow in parts but over all it was good because it had everything that it needed to to be great just because it was too dark in places for some people thats no reason to hate it
My least favourite movie is definitely AVPR; no other A/P/AVP will ever be as bad as that.
Quote from: latto on Sep 11, 2011, 10:11:46 AM
for me the aliens movies were shit if it wasnt for predator than i would never of looked at any of the aliens movies.I found all the predator movies were great an they just keep getting better shore AVPR was a little bit slow in parts but over all it was good because it had everything that it needed to to be great just because it was too dark in places for some people thats no reason to hate it
Wha...what? You don't like the alien movies? Alien and Aliens are two of the greatest films of all time. I mean, I respect your opinion, but out of curiosity, why don't you like the Alien movies?
Alien is my favorite horror movie ever. It has everything, interesting characters, great storytelling, amazing atmosphere, a scary monster (that is not show too much or too little), excellent pacing, and a very interesting back story with a lot of mystery. Its a classic in every sense of the word.
I absolutely love Predator, too. It is an excellent movie, but I just prefer Alien.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 11, 2011, 08:06:07 AM
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Sep 08, 2011, 12:23:58 AM
Same with Predator and Predators. I liked Predator 2, but it was a copy paste with elements of Lethal Weapon put in for good measure. Also Predators + City = Spider-man with a gun.
Predators is a copy paste of Predator but with two extra entirely useless Predators thrown in.
Haha, nice summary!!
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 11, 2011, 08:33:12 AM
Out of two really bad movies I thought surely AVP was going to be worse than AVPR in the vote count. Apparently not. WTF???
AvP at least was made by people with something resembling competence.
They are both shit. However, IMO, minus the Predalien at least AVPR flowed like an infestation of Aliens would. The Pred wasn't just an outright pussy. He actually looked like a pred and not a POTF2 SW toy. We got to see some new stuff weapon wise. And it had a decent enough ending.
They just should of made it so the Predalien was it's own thing, and one of the face huggers that escaped could of spawned a queen, instead of the predalien doing the whole barf scenario..
Predators was a close second. Having just watched that again only very recently I can't believe I actually went out and bought it. Should of called that movie "Homages" and the tagline could of been "Incase you missed it the first time!"
I love everything in order.
Alien film:
1. Alien
2. Aliens
3. Alien3
4. Alien Resurrection
5. AVP (goddamn it)
6. AVP:R (god...damn it)
Predator:
1. Predator
2. Predator 2
I can't believe someone would vote Alien, Aliens, or Predator for worst. I threw up in my mouth when I saw that >:(
Predator and Predators don't feel like the same movies. Both have a completely different atmosphere literally and tone.
QuotePredators is a copy paste of Predator but with two extra entirely useless Predators thrown in.
That's your opinion.
However I do not feel the same way about it.
Sure they made reference's to the first film. Then again so did PREDATOR 2. So I really don't see your point. At least PREDATORS showed us different hunting tactics that Predators use. For example Flushing, Decoys, and Traps both bear foot traps and invisible snare traps.
As I recall PREDATOR 2 did nothing of the sort. Aside from show us a shit ton of new weapons and no real hunting. Most of the movie the City Hunter waded through victims in-masse and slaughtered them. So no I don't see any real comparison.
Also I don't remember Dutch Decapitating Jungle Hunter with a axe at the end of PREDATOR.
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 12, 2011, 04:36:24 AM
The Pred wasn't just an outright pussy.
You get the impression because the Aliens were
pussier (not sure that's even a word but it works!) than him.
Could we rest the poll over since I think a lot of people want to revote over again. A:R used to my least favorite movie in the series but now looking back, A:R is better then both AVP movies which is not saying much though.
I think that's a good idea. Over the last few years I'd say a lot people's opinions have changed.
Quote from: JungleHunter87 on Sep 12, 2011, 10:41:14 AM
Also I don't remember Dutch Decapitating Jungle Hunter with a axe at the end of PREDATOR.
But you do remember him covering himself in mud and running circles around the Predator while it couldn't see him. And saying "Come on, I'm here, do it!". Etc.
AvP-R for sure
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 12, 2011, 05:59:40 PM
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 12, 2011, 04:36:24 AM
The Pred wasn't just an outright pussy.
You get the impression because the Aliens were pussier (not sure that's even a word but it works!) than him.
He did get owned by one at the power plant though. And they put up a decent enough fight in the tunnel before the went to town.
I certainly didn't think the Aliens were any weaker than in the first AVP though. Some got owned quick, some put up a fight. Happened in both movies. We just didn't have a "Hero" alien in the second one. That was the pred-aliens role.
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 12, 2011, 11:06:54 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 12, 2011, 05:59:40 PM
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 12, 2011, 04:36:24 AM
The Pred wasn't just an outright pussy.
You get the impression because the Aliens were pussier (not sure that's even a word but it works!) than him.
He did get owned by one at the power plant though. And they put up a decent enough fight in the tunnel before the went to town.
I certainly didn't think the Aliens were any weaker than in the first AVP though. Some got owned quick, some put up a fight. Happened in both movies. We just didn't have a "Hero" alien in the second one. That was the pred-aliens role.
i'm sorry to say but dude you are so blind. the so called aliens in avpr didn't do sh*t
Er no. They were just the same.
QuoteBut you do remember him covering himself in mud and running circles around the Predator
Covering himself in mud? Yes of course I remember that.
Now, running around in circles? No I don't remember that.
I remember him running AWAY from the Predator. Then regrouping and attacking. Not constantly running around in circles around the Predator, no.
Figure of speech.
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 12, 2011, 11:45:41 PM
Er no. They were just the same.
Ever seen one of the four Alien films?
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 13, 2011, 11:42:37 AM
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 12, 2011, 11:45:41 PM
Er no. They were just the same.
Ever seen one of the four Alien films?
:laugh: thanks omega :P i was starting to give up xD
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Sep 13, 2011, 11:42:37 AM
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 12, 2011, 11:45:41 PM
Er no. They were just the same.
Ever seen one of the four Alien films?
Yeah. I think I have seen them enough times. Been watching them since 86.
My kids have probably seen them more times than some of you.
There was one extra bad xeno in AVP. That's it. The rest were the same. How anyone can say they were more lethal than the ones in AVP:R is beyond me. Those ones wiped out everyone just as quickly when they came across them. Some of them got owned quickly, also. What's the difference? Because one of the aliens in AVP took out two preds? We already established they were pussies, so that point is moot!
Honestly can't see where you are coming from. If you would like to cite some examples of their epicness, that would be great.
And, Omega. I aint talking about one of the four alien films. I am talking about the two AVP movies? Didn't think I would of had to clarify that, for you ;)
Two Aliens that do f**knothing when Wolf grabs 'em by the throat; multiple Aliens that stand here, still, doing nothing waiting for Wolf to do his move; two Aliens that don't notice a shuriken incoming and they stick their head out; the Requiem Aliens were just plot-conveniently, and rather visibly, downgraded and upgraded in every sequence they star in. They're quick to take out the National Guard guys, yet with Dallas one stands still until he actually shoots him. The only 'good' one as you said was the one in the power plant.
The AvP Aliens were efficient and mostly did their job; it's been a while since I last saw the film, the only scene in which I recall them going bad was right before Scar and Alexa take the sled.
And the AvP Predators aren't pussies at all, since one was taken out by surprise, one stood for 3 minutes in a melee combat against an Alien and the other one kind of killed four Aliens by himself, before getting owned by a 6 meters tall Alien Queen. Wolf appears as a super-skilled Predator in the film he stars in, but he really doesn't know much - he has his back uncovered multiple times, he's stupid enough to think to shoot an Alien point blank, he wastes time skinning the cop while he should clean the infestation, et cetera. He appears super-skilled because right when he appears onscreen, the Aliens suddenly become braindead.
In aliens the colonial marines had a god damn hard time surviving out there. But in AvP-R some regular civilians get through a completely infested town. Running through an infested hospital wich IS the alien hive. Wich should mean there is no f*cking chance they get out of there alive or not impregnated. But hey they are teenages so no problem running to a helicopter. Also the scene where the alien jumps on the helicopter and gets shot multiple times should have completely ruined the helicopter. But no the strause brothers only use the accid for blood when they feel like it. And yeah like omega said the 2 aliens doing absolutely nothing in the sewer scene when they are grabbed by the neck is throughout ridiculous. If only 1 of them used their tail it would have been end of story for the so called elite Wolf.
Both movies had lame aliens in them. Both had aliens that kicked arse. You're not telling me anything I don't know already.
As for Grid. If he didn't have a 25ft tail to begin with things probably would of been different. They made that alien abnormally strong for the sake of the movie. That's it.
You want to talk about continuity? How is it that only some of the preds weapons in AVP were acid proof? Seems kinda dumb hunting aliens without the right equipment...doesn't it? I mean some disposable throw away weapon is acid proof...but not your gauntlet? Please. Or was it just for the movies sake?...so grid could get on top in that scene to make all the fanboys happy ;) I think that is the case.
Snowdog comparing the AVP aliens to Hadley's Hope has no point to it. We aren't talking about those aliens. You get that right?
And didn't the pred in AVP:R kill more than 4 aliens by himself? Correct me if I am wrong.
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 13, 2011, 10:47:26 PM
Snowdog comparing the AVP aliens to Hadley's Hope has no point to it. We aren't talking about those aliens. You get that right?
And didn't the pred in AVP:R kill more than 4 aliens by himself? Correct me if I am wrong.
I'm just making a point that the AVP:R aliens where mentally retarded at least. And we are watching a movie with ALIENS in it. avp or alien franchise doesn't matter. And really doesn't have to be an excuse to make the creatures just regular movie monsters in a teen slasher flick. So yeah i have all the right to compare the two :)
No you don't.
I am not comparing them in this instance for a start.
And anybody who even tries to compare the AVP movies to any of the ALIEN movies is just silly. We know the AVP movies are a load that should of been swallowed. So why even try and justify something done in either of those with anything we had seen previously. No point I am afraid. Those movies make it up as they go along.
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 13, 2011, 10:47:26 PM
And didn't the pred in AVP:R kill more than 4 aliens by himself? Correct me if I am wrong.
Aliens that did nothing to fight back, sure.
No. Aliens that did exactly the same thing as in the second movie.
The four the hero pred in AVP killed were taken out by...one, by a shuriken when it was two feet away from the pred. And 3 others that were taken out by the blaster. How were they super aggressive towards the pred? They weren't. They got wasted in seconds just as some of the aliens in the second film did.
Besides at least the second movie had the right amount of aliens going on. Seemed like there were way more than there should of been running around in the first AVP.
If whatshisface kills 4 of them. Lex kills two of them. That makes six alien KIA.
The preds kill 4 people I think in the pyramid (5 if you count the guy who fell down the drill hole*) so you can't count them as alien hugger candidates. So that leaves 10 possible candidates for hugging, out of the 14 that went inside the pyramid. Yet at the end before they take the sled up, there is still 5 aliens kicking around. And that is after lex wastes her second one.
Now we also know that Sebastian's alien gets necked once it bursts from his chest, so that leaves only 9 aliens to run around in total if none had been killed.
So by my count there is two extra that should not of been there in the first place.
No wonder they seemed badass. They were spawning out of each others arse.
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 16, 2011, 07:57:07 AM
No. Aliens that did exactly the same thing as in the second movie.
The four the hero pred in AVP killed were taken out by...one, by a shuriken when it was two feet away from the pred. And 3 others that were taken out by the blaster. How were they super aggressive towards the pred? They weren't. They got wasted in seconds just as some of the aliens in the second film did.
But three were wasted at long range (you shoot a tiger from long range and kill it - does that mean it isn't aggressive?). The other was sneaking on the Predator, not knowing the latter knew about its presence.
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 16, 2011, 07:57:07 AM
Besides at least the second movie had the right amount of aliens going on.
Would have to rewatch it (uuuhhhhh....), but I do remember a lot of inconsistencies, even moreso than AvP.
It would depend on the Tigers actions at the time of being shot. If it was charging you down...then sure...it is displaying aggressive behaviour. If it taking a nap under a tree, well then it isn't, is it? There is still no denying though, a Tiger can be a dangerous animal. But just because it is a Tiger does not automatically make it aggresive. Could be one of those new age tigers :P
What we do know is that all aliens will almost always attack whatever it is they see, on sight. So all must be aggressive. No?
Unless they are getting bossed around by a queen they usually are anyway.
Save your eyes...don't worry about watching them again...I can't believe I did for the sake of this arguement :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 16, 2011, 07:57:07 AM
No. Aliens that did exactly the same thing as in the second movie.
The four the hero pred in AVP killed were taken out by...one, by a shuriken when it was two feet away from the pred. And 3 others that were taken out by the blaster. How were they super aggressive towards the pred? They weren't. They got wasted in seconds just as some of the aliens in the second film did.
Besides at least the second movie had the right amount of aliens going on. Seemed like there were way more than there should of been running around in the first AVP.
If whatshisface kills 4 of them. Lex kills two of them. That makes six alien KIA.
The preds kill 4 people I think in the pyramid (5 if you count the guy who fell down the drill hole*) so you can't count them as alien hugger candidates. So that leaves 10 possible candidates for hugging, out of the 14 that went inside the pyramid. Yet at the end before they take the sled up, there is still 5 aliens kicking around. And that is after lex wastes her second one.
Now we also know that Sebastian's alien gets necked once it bursts from his chest, so that leaves only 9 aliens to run around in total if none had been killed.
So by my count there is two extra that should not of been there in the first place.
No wonder they seemed badass. They were spawning out of each others arse.
Those Aliens actually fought though. They weren't simply hobbling around like morons like the Requiem Warriors were. Hell, Requiem had way more Aliens in it and yet they weren't any more effective as the ones prior to them.
But they weren't any less effective either? Were they?
And what do you call 5 aliens, standing there, watching another alien trying to take on one pred, and one human, by itself? Not moronic behaviour? Why not jump in when they had a chance? Honour amongst aliens now is there? Give me a break.
You can dress this up however you like. Until you come up with a decent arguement as to why the AVP aliens are so brilliant, you are just clutching at straws.
The aliens in the first avp where smart. They used the darkness to their advantage. They acted like a hive, taking orders from the queen. Not trying to make a kill but then get slapped in the face because your predalien queen wants to rapeface. Also they used their tail pretty well. Not just flipflapping it around. Grid is aware of his accid for blood and uses it to his advantage (the scene where Grid is spraying accid over Celtic).
Quote from: Snowdog on Sep 17, 2011, 10:27:19 PM
The aliens in the first avp where smart. They used the darkness to their advantage. They acted like a hive, taking orders from the queen. Not trying to make a kill but then get slapped in the face because your predalien queen wants to rapeface. Also they used their tail pretty well. Not just flipflapping it around. Grid is aware of his accid for blood and uses it to his advantage (the scene where Grid is spraying accid over Celtic).
So wouldn't the aliens "acting like a hive" taking orders from their queen, be doing just the same thing as the ones taking orders from the pred alien queen? What's the differnece?
And I thought that Alien in the stairwell of the hospital did a good job of hiding in the darkness. Certainly a better job at it than the alien who had it's head shurikened off, whilst only being 2 ft away from a pred. Damn...the pred didn't even have to chuck the thing. I guess that was one of the ones using the darkness to it's advantage...right?
About Grid. He was the "Hero"alien. Of course they are going to come up with any amount of lame excuses/reasons so he can get on top in that fight. If in doubt...make it up. You do get that right?
Also...he was so smart...he was one of the five aliens standing around watching his mate get owned by a bitch. That's
Top of da class material right there ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Next please.
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 17, 2011, 10:46:25 PM
So wouldn't the aliens "acting like a hive" taking orders from their queen, be doing just the same thing as the ones taking orders from the pred alien queen? What's the differnece?
No there is a big difference. The aliens in avpr seemed like they just acted on their own. Look at the scene in the sewer. where the alien is going for the homeless women. just when he is going to make the kills the predalien queen smacks him in the face and facerapes the hobo. if the aliens acted like a hive they would've shown teamwork. however they did not in avpr. only scene i remember the predalien queen taking care of her drones is in the sewer battle scene. and that is just because the aliens in avpr are to stupid to think "damn it we have a tail, maybe we can use it. it only hase a long blade thingy on the end".
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 17, 2011, 10:46:25 PM
And I thought that Alien in the stairwell of the hospital did a good job of hiding in the darkness.
He did a good job of surprising the humans. the thing he did terrible wrong was staying there and trying to make the kill in front of the group. He should have grabbed the guy and took him to the hive to cocoon him or something like that. But not stay there in open field because that is certain dead.
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 17, 2011, 10:46:25 PM
Certainly a better job at it than the alien who had it's head shurikened off, whilst only being 2 ft away from a pred. Damn...the pred didn't even have to chuck the thing. I guess that was one of the ones using the darkness to it's advantage...right?
That is just 1 example of an alien failing to sneek up on his prey. In avpr it is the other way around. there is like 1 part where i thought hmmmm that is a smart move :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 17, 2011, 10:46:25 PM
About Grid. He was the "Hero"alien. Of course they are going to come up with any amount of lame excuses/reasons so he can get on top in that fight. If in doubt...make it up. You do get that right?
Those are not lame excuses at all. It is an alien making smart moves to survive/win his battle with a predator. Also because he is the main alien in the movie it is only logical we see him do the most things. so i wouldn't say they gave him all smart en extra special moves just because he is the so called hero alien.
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 17, 2011, 10:46:25 PM
Also...he was so smart...he was one of the five aliens standing around watching his mate get owned by a bitch. That's Top of da class material right there ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
That is one thing i can only agree with you one :) that shot was just lame, it looked like someone was taking a high school picture or something. Like they just graduated :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 17, 2011, 10:46:25 PM
Next please.
^ this
Quote from: Snowdog on Sep 17, 2011, 11:16:36 PM
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 17, 2011, 10:46:25 PM
So wouldn't the aliens "acting like a hive" taking orders from their queen, be doing just the same thing as the ones taking orders from the pred alien queen? What's the differnece?
No there is a big difference. The aliens in avpr seemed like they just acted on their own. Look at the scene in the sewer. where the alien is going for the homeless women. just when he is going to make the kills the predalien queen smacks him in the face and facerapes the hobo. if the aliens acted like a hive they would've shown teamwork. however they did not in avpr. only scene i remember the predalien queen taking care of her drones is in the sewer battle scene. and that is just because the aliens in avpr are to stupid to think "damn it we have a tail, maybe we can use it. it only hase a long blade thingy on the end".
You do get that the predalien reproduces differently than a normal queen? So why would they need to take them to a hive, when the queen can come to them? Now that would be stupid. Right? All they need to do is ensure they don't escape. Contain and wait for the queen to egg barf.
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 17, 2011, 10:46:25 PM
And I thought that Alien in the stairwell of the hospital did a good job of hiding in the darkness.
He did a good job of surprising the humans. the thing he did terrible wrong was staying there and trying to make the kill in front of the group. He should have grabbed the guy and took him to the hive to cocoon him or something like that. But not stay there in open field because that is certain dead.
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 17, 2011, 10:46:25 PM
Certainly a better job at it than the alien who had it's head shurikened off, whilst only being 2 ft away from a pred. Damn...the pred didn't even have to chuck the thing. I guess that was one of the ones using the darkness to it's advantage...right?
That is just 1 example of an alien failing to sneek up on his prey. In avpr it is the other way around. there is like 1 part where i thought hmmmm that is a smart move :laugh: :laugh:
So the alien in the power plant didn't sneak up on the pred? Looked like it did a pretty good job at it too me. The alien in sewer got right on top of him before he noticed it, also. Same with the aliens in the sports store. The ones who took out the national guard seemed to know what they were doing. Were they stealthy enough for you?
Running out of aliens here? ;)
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 17, 2011, 10:46:25 PM
About Grid. He was the "Hero"alien. Of course they are going to come up with any amount of lame excuses/reasons so he can get on top in that fight. If in doubt...make it up. You do get that right?
Those are not lame excuses at all. It is an alien making smart moves to survive/win his battle with a predator. Also because he is the main alien in the movie it is only logical we see him do the most things. so i wouldn't say they gave him all smart en extra special moves just because he is the so called hero alien.
Yet he has a 25ft tail.
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 17, 2011, 10:46:25 PM
Also...he was so smart...he was one of the five aliens standing around watching his mate get owned by a bitch. That's Top of da class material right there ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
That is one thing i can only agree with you one :) that shot was just lame, it looked like someone was taking a high school picture or something. Like they just graduated :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Glad we could agree on something :laugh:
Quote from: Josh.A on Sep 17, 2011, 10:46:25 PM
Next please.
^ this
It's a tie of A:R and AVP:R. I personally say Resurrection. First time I watched it, was totally boring. Definately the black sheep of the Alien films alone. (Excluding AVPR)
I am actually surprised that people hate A:R more than AVP (2004) because I remember when I used to "spy" on these boards before AVPR came out people used to lambast AVP for what it is. Now the dust seems to have settled.
AVP that movie made the predators look like wimps i mean really? two predators were killed by the same alien.
AVP is a disliked film among most of the A/P community. But A:R and AVP:R were so terrible, most people just go "Meh.." when AVP is mentioned now.
When AvP:R is mentioned I say cool. It's AvP and Rez that make me say meh.
Out of the three movies: AVP, AVPR and A: R I liked AVP the most, despite its flaws. However I liked the aliens the best in A: R.
I like the first AvP, but the aliens sometimes move like aliens coming from another animal wich is kinda strange. sometimes i had the feeling they moved like the runner.
There were times when the aliens acted more like the bio raptors from Pitch Black or raptors from Jurassic Park films than actual aliens, but at least they weren't completely reduced to cannon-fodder as in AVPR.
alien rez sucked , i thought it was gonna be a better movie when i saw it in the theatres but it turned out to be horrible, my mistake for ever liking it.
If im honest, I hate A:R more than AVP:R. Rez was just really bad. I prefer the acting and dialogue way more than Requiem. But Requiem was more true to the creatures. Rez aliens were just trained to be pets. Lab rats. I mean, why?
The Requiem aliens might as well have been rats...
Quote from: DoomRulz on Oct 18, 2011, 08:49:21 PM
The Requiem aliens might as well have been rats...
Those rats running away in the sewer scene were aspose to get the roll but where rejected ;D
They probably ran away from the Strauses. They were too cute.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Oct 18, 2011, 08:47:16 PM
If im honest, I hate A:R more than AVP:R. Rez was just really bad. I prefer the acting and dialogue way more than Requiem. But Requiem was more true to the creatures. Rez aliens were just trained to be pets. Lab rats. I mean, why?
I believe that you have confused these 2 movies.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Oct 18, 2011, 08:47:16 PM
But Requiem was more true to the creatures. Rez aliens were just trained to be pets. Lab rats. I mean, why?
"Lab Pets" that rebelled and owned the f**k out their "trainers" > mentally challenged "truer creatures".
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Oct 18, 2011, 08:47:16 PM
But Requiem was more true to the creatures. Rez aliens were just trained to be pets. Lab rats. I mean, why?
WHAT THE F**K !! TRUE TO THE CREATURES ?!?!?!?
if you mean completely retarded braindead aliens with fat necks. They weren't even close of being true xenomorphs. I'm not even going to get started about the mentally challenged predator.
They seem more true than turd-coloured pieces of crap that some idiots believe will beg to them and play fetch. I'd say yeah.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Oct 21, 2011, 10:44:39 PM
They seem more true than turd-coloured pieces of crap that some idiots believe will beg to them and play fetch. I'd say yeah.
Read above's post from Omegazilla.
They where cloned an thats why they had a fleshier look. Also the color could be affected by the cloning. The whole new look of the xenomorph in A:R was explained and fitted the story pretty well. But in AvP-R really nothing made sense. I rather have turd colored aliens. Than have to watch 1.5 hours of turd named AvP-R.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Oct 21, 2011, 10:44:39 PM
They seem more true than turd-coloured pieces of crap that some idiots believe will beg to them and play fetch. I'd say yeah.
they seem? they look the exact f**king same to me.
To me, the Rez aliens appeared largely black most times on screen. When they did appear more brown, however, it was usually because they were reflecting the Auriga's lighting.
Both Rez and Requiem's alien designs are atrocious, though, but I think Requiem's is slightly worse because of the weird mouth and more prominent hillbilly teeth.
The A:R ones at least looked like living creatures. Atrocious Alien designs, as you said, but they felt real.
Those other ones? I don't even know. They were... terrible. Floppy, blatant men in suits.
Yes, i'll admit I didn't like the Requiem aliens that much, but they seem more menacing than the Hybrids from Rez. Fleshier look really messed up.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Oct 22, 2011, 02:17:11 PM
Yes, i'll admit I didn't like the Requiem aliens that much, but they seem more menacing than the Hybrids from Rez. Fleshier look really messed up.
That's hilarious. Requiem Aliens were canon fodder, how in the hell is that "more menacing"?
They can hide more better because of their colour. You can't expect a brown alien to hide well around pipes and stuff. No, no. You'd have to be mentally challenged or something to miss that out.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Oct 22, 2011, 07:58:40 PM
They can hide more better because of their colour. You can't expect a brown alien to hide well around pipes and stuff. No, no. You'd have to be mentally challenged or something to miss that out.
The A:R aliens where deadly as hell. talking about mentally challenged, damn that takes me back to AVP-r.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Oct 22, 2011, 07:58:40 PM
They can hide more better because of their colour. You can't expect a brown alien to hide well around pipes and stuff.
Unless it's a Jeunet film in which a great load of stuff is in those tones. ;D
Also: apply the same principle to the A3 Runner (even though it hadn't the same color scheme).
Runners are more aggresive though.
What's that to do with the color scheme?
Alien 3 setting was a hot planet, and the tnse inside. It's easily enough for an Alien to hide there, even if it was brown.
I don't really understand that.
Same let's say "principle" applies to the A:R Aliens too, then. Auriga is brown, Aliens have no problem hiding in it.
Yes, but theres like seven or so hybrid aliens. Even if they were perfectly camoflauged, the aliens would still stand out.
What is this, I don't even...
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It's just my personal preference. I like the Requiem aliens more than Resurrection hybrids. Your opinions may differ.
It's not that. It's the fact that this:
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Oct 25, 2011, 11:16:31 PM
Yes, but theres like seven or so hybrid aliens. Even if they were perfectly camoflauged, the aliens would still stand out.
Makes absolutely no sense. It's... it's meaningless.
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QuoteAlien 3 setting was a hot planet
It was 40 degrees below zero...
The AvP:Poo Aliens looked horrible, were badly performed and were pissweak at being any sort of threat (not least of all because they telegraphed every attack by screeching at the Predator letting him know they were coming).
They would stand out, im sorry if what I said didn't make sense but, heres an example, remember when the Hybrid Alien was on the ladder after Christy and Vriess? Even though it's the same colour, it stands out like a sore thumb.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Oct 26, 2011, 07:05:51 PM
It's just my personal preference.
And that's fine, but you can just say you like the design better. :P
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Oct 28, 2011, 04:52:18 PM
They would stand out, im sorry if what I said didn't make sense but, heres an example, remember when the Hybrid Alien was on the ladder after Christy and Vriess? Even though it's the same colour, it stands out like a sore thumb.
That's because its not trying to hide.
To the viewer, it's trying to make them think it's hding for the camera.
i would have to say predators becuase the theoligy behind it is wrong there are not two races of predators and the fact that they had a bazerka predator is a bloody discrase and no offense but adrian brody did not suit the part as the hero
The Super Predators are quite possible and not so farfetched for the Predator franchise. They are worthy opponements to mainstream Predators, though in Predators, they were depicted as Bad Bloods. And in the 2005 remake of King Kong, Adrien Brody did a good job as an action hero, something I believe he got right in Predators.
yes i agree about king kong but as a merc he did a horrible job and his weapon of choice the AA12 no chance he could carry that the distance he did and a as a australian soldier would no lol but the movie i give 2 star rating it needs to be more futuristic like the francise that would be epic.
Meh, I'd give Predators a 7/10. Some people have even considered Predators a loose remake of the original Predator which is quite interesting, I just consider it a sequel to Predator and Predator 2.
Alien 3
I don't really get it for some reason ???
I don't understand, people have said that AvPR is too dark. I only found one scene dark and that was the scene when the Predator landed in the water :-\
lol i agree fry1236 but alien 3 is from a alien point of view so it shows more alien in it then any other and avp r was better then the first i think id because its non stop killing and destruction boh ya
Predators is my least liked in the Saga. I felt it borrowed to much from Predator including the dialog.
So what did you think of Requiem?
Between the borders of Bad and Crap. A:R? I don't know where that goes. ;D
Certainly not Crap ≤ A:R ≤ Bad.
4 people say predator but only 2 say predatorS? Why the predator dislike and who could like the 2 sequels over the original?
Problem is, once you've voted, it's locked, and Predators was the most recent addition to the poll.
Really? I've had an option once saying I could delete my vote ???
I didn't like Predators as much as I loved the previous predator movies but I do like the berserker Predators ;D
Same here
1. Predator
2. Predator 2
3. Predators
That's my order
Yeah, I've always liked Predator ;D
Alien/Aliens- Personally don't think one is better than the other. Both are good in their own ways.
Alien 3
I can't even count Ressurection as part of the series. I dislike it that much.
Whats wrong with resurrection? Was it the newborn alien? That put me off a bit at first.
Quote from: fry1236 on Nov 17, 2011, 06:53:56 AM
Whats wrong with resurrection? Was it the newborn alien? That put me off a bit at first.
Yup that'd be what's wrong with it. They should have just stuck with normal aliens, no hybrid. I know the alien warriors and queen had human dna in them, but atleast they looked like aliens.
Yeah, It was a bit creepy and too human. I would of preferred a Queen or if they had to have a hybrid, one of those acid spitting xenos. That would have been interesting :D
Quote from: fry1236 on Nov 17, 2011, 06:53:56 AM
Whats wrong with resurrection? Was it the newborn alien? That put me off a bit at first.
That was certainly my biggest beef with it. The story was complete stupidity as well.
I don't wanna seem a bit stereotypical, but most younger audiences would of had more chance of seeing Predators than Predator. Due to Predators still being quite new too. Alien Resurrection was god-shite, I don't understand why the Aliens had a more human fleshier tone when in previous films, most were still born from humans and were a darker skin tone. And the Newborn? Urghhh...
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Nov 17, 2011, 06:55:00 PM
I don't understand why the Aliens had a more human fleshier tone when in previous films, most were still born from humans and were a darker skin tone.
Because, like the Newborn, they were hybrids as well. They had a trace of human DNA from the cloning process, just like how Ripley * had traces of Alien DNA.
Wow, I totally didn't realise all the aliens had human DNA! I was wandering why they looked like that :)
This my list, it goes from favorite to least favorite.
Aliens tied with Alien 3
AvP-R tied with AvP
Predator
Predator 2
Alien
Alien Resurrection
Predators
Hmmm. It's been a super long time since I've done an updated list.
Alien - 10/10
Aliens - 10/10
Predator - 10/10
Alien 3 - 7/10
Predators - 7/10
AvP - 6-7/10
Predator 2 - 6/10
Alien Resurrection - 5-6/10
AvP-R 4/10
Quote from: fry1236 on Nov 18, 2011, 10:02:04 AM
Wow, I totally didn't realise all the aliens had human DNA! I was wandering why they looked like that :)
They also act more human like in the scene when the aliens are arguing on who is gonna die so the others will be free.
That's drawing a lowg bow. Aliens may act like that normally. We've never seen a group interact with each other like that before.
AVP:R was crap. Not only the worst of the combined franchises, but one of the worst films ever made.
I haven't really noticed those details :-\ Jeez I need to get out my alien dvd collection :)
Quote from: SM on Nov 21, 2011, 04:52:42 AM
That's drawing a lowg bow. Aliens may act like that normally. We've never seen a group interact with each other like that before.
Maybe they don't fight each other because of the queen ordering them around or it could have being the human dna :-\.
I don't think it would be the dna since humans are a bit violent.
AVP2 is one of the worst films i have ever seen. It makes Alien Resurection look like the godfather compared to it ;)
I don't no why everybody is hating on Alien 3? It's not great but it's a hell of a lot better than AVP,AVP2, Predator 2 and Predators.
Predator 2 is good, I say Alien 3 and Predator 2 are fairly same rating. And Predators was fun to watch.
Yeah love predator 2. That and Alien 3 are very underated.
Quote from: BobGrill on Nov 29, 2011, 11:52:13 PM
Yeah love predator 2. That and Alien 3 are very underated.
This is sooo true. I love both movies a lot. In fact Alien3 is the movie that made me fell in love with the alien franchise.
Quote from: Hicks101 on Nov 29, 2011, 11:46:53 AM
I don't no why everybody is hating on Alien 3? It's not great but it's a hell of a lot better than AVP,AVP2, Predator 2 and Predators.
Whats wrong with Predator 2 and AvP? Predators is good too because in all movies involving predators, they are all from different blood I believe, so it really shows the wars between them :D (If my knowledge is correct)
Quote from: fry1236 on Nov 30, 2011, 05:48:38 AM
Quote from: Hicks101 on Nov 29, 2011, 11:46:53 AM
I don't no why everybody is hating on Alien 3? It's not great but it's a hell of a lot better than AVP,AVP2, Predator 2 and Predators.
Whats wrong with Predator 2 and AvP? Predators is good too because in all movies involving predators, they are all from different blood I believe, so it really shows the wars between them :D (If my knowledge is correct)
I really feel when it came to Predator 2 they sold out a bit. It just didn't have the same integrity the first film had. Danny Glover is cool and everything but is he really a good enough and big enough actor to play the part, compared to Arnie? I don't think he is and i think the casting, set design let the film down. Imagine some one like Bruce Willis or Kurt Russel playing the part of Danny Glover? That would of been awesome. I loved the fact Hudson was in the film but honestly he was punk that barley put a fight up. Nick Nolte? The guy is a lame actor. Basically all the actors in Predator 2 aren't great.
Moving on to AVP. Where should i begin? First of the story is v poor and the casting is even worse.because none of the actors are that great it lets the film down. How many films have you seen the leading actress in? Or spud from trainspotting? Or the entire cast? They think hey will throw Bishop in and it will make everything alright.....no!
I think the "main" location isn't very good, it's too dark and lacks character. They tried to make it an "alien" feel location to it, dark corridors , small spaces and just very dark, but with the vibe , mood of something like aliens. It was basically a mix of alien meets aliens in a rubbish location and throw in some predators. i had been looking forward to this film for a v long time and even followed the directors career for a long time. He made a film called "event horizon" which is a fantastic horror/sci fi movie set on board a ship. It's really good and if you haven't watched it you should defo check it out!
Anyway AVP lacked a really good script and concept. I read a load of the graphic novels years ago and don't no why they didn't use one of them. They roughly based the script on one of the books but really the book was a lot better, but it wasn't great either. Predators again lacked a good script/concept. It had a couple of good actors in it, Adrian Brody has one an oscar for example. It boils down to this.....Predators, Predator 2 , AVP, and AVP2 are all good fun to watch. But they are not as creditble as the other films. You could watch them on a friday night with your mates but you couldn't place them among some of the best films of all times. The first two alien films you can ;)
I agree on you with the acting with them ;) Thats the fist thing I noticed :D
I have seen Event Horizon (well the first 20 mins :-X :laugh:) and it's ok. Although I'd have to see all of it to really judge it. (So doing that on the Holidays)
I really have to get these novels, could someone name them all for me so I can get them?
ALIENS: A masterpiece in so many aspects, a timeless clasic, it redefined sci fi and terror movies forever, etc. All the shit that we all know.
Ridley its still a director with a touch, even he has some horrible and boring movies. I hope he can demonstrate that he is really back in Prometheus, but I really doubt it....
ALIENS: The same as before, but this time for SCI FI and action movies.
For me, it´s trully hard to decide wich one is better. I enjoy more watching Aliens, but I think Alien is better by a 0,1%.
Even this is his best movie ever, cameron did more amazing films, till he crashed with a block of ice and did two of the most irritating and anoying movies ever.
Alien 3: I dont hate it and I actually like it a lot, its not even close to Alien or Aliens, but it if wasn´t for all the production problems, It coul´d been amazing.
ALIEN RESURECTION: I hate a 90% of it, but I think that Jean Piere had good intentions, even he missed the tone completely. Anyway, horrible.
PREDATOR: A clasic and a cult movie but far away from beeing a masterpiece like Alien or Aliens. I mean, galaxies away from each other. I love it but its not the same as alien/s. (Im not going to make a lot of friends here...).
You gotta love Mctiernan. he is a true craftsman. But not a genius. Just a really competent filmmaker. He did good things and bad things after, but I just love the guy.
PREDATOR 2: A funny movie that I dont hate anything on it, but i dont love anything on it (besides Glover), and because the first one is what it is, this one is enough good for a secuel.
Stephen hopkins direction was so plain that he was even incapable of ruining it. I have doubts that he was even there during filming....if a squirrell with a camera had directed it, the movie would be exactly the same.
EDIT:
I forgot About PREDATORS: Fun and respectuous with the franchise, but quite boring. And the Predator Hound is the exact shit that happens because CGI. Somebody cames up with a horrible idea and it ends in the movie because you CAN actually do it with CGI. Before, a lot of stupid ideas didnt reach the screen because, thanks god, they where imposible to do.
Nimrod Antal direction has no personality at all, and the characters are just ok. I dont hate the movie at all, but I don´t think I am going to watch it never again. (the only movie im really interested of the PRedators franchise is the first one.).
AVP 1 and AVP:R : For starters I am not very fond on the AVP premise, but as a fan of SCI FI, give me a decent movie and i will devorate it. But if its possible, dont mess with Alien please. Do a Predator VS Riddick, Predators VS JAR JAR, a Predator VS ET, whatever, but dont f**k around with Alien. And if you do, please have a minimum respect for it. But in this two movies, they didnt had any respect for Alien, and not even for Predator, degradating both characters at shamefull levels.
Both movies are an insult to intelligence, an insult to movies, an insult to directors. nothing is worth on them. Life would be much better if they disapear forever.
In my world, they don´t exists.
Anderson is a plain director that make mvies that I can enjoy on a sunday afternoon with a masive hangover and my brain just in mode off, (Event Horizon its the best thing he ever did), so, not a guy that you want behing anything related to Alien...
The Strause brothers should quit directing forever. All their movies are just crap. I trully hink they are good people and that have the best of the intentions, but they have no talent for directing, and somebody should tell em. ( seems that hollywood allready told em).
Quote from: Tough little S.O.B. on Nov 30, 2011, 10:02:23 AM
ALIENS: A masterpiece in so many aspects, a timeless clasic, it redefined sci fi and terror movies forever, etc. All the shit that we all know.
Ridley its still a director with a touch, even he has some horrible and boring movies. I hope he can demonstrate that he is really back in Prometheus, but I really doubt it....
ALIENS: The same as before, but this time for SCI FI and action movies.
For me, it´s trully hard to decide wich one is better. I enjoy more watching Aliens, but I think Alien is better by a 0,1%.
Even this is his best movie ever, cameron did more amazing films, till he crashed with a block of ice and did two of the most irritating and anoying movies ever.
Alien 3: I dont hate it and I actually like it a lot, its not even close to Alien or Aliens, but it if wasn´t for all the production problems, It coul´d been amazing.
ALIEN RESURECTION: I hate a 90% of it, but I think that Jean Piere had good intentions, even he missed the tone completely. Anyway, horrible.
PREDATOR: A clasic and a cult movie but far away from beeing a masterpiece like Alien or Aliens. I mean, galaxies away from each other. I love it but its not the same as alien/s. (Im not going to make a lot of friends here...).
You gotta love Mctiernan. he is a true craftsman. But not a genius. Just a really competent filmmaker. He did good things and bad things after, but I just love the guy.
PREDATOR 2: A funny movie that I dont hate anything on it, but i dont love anything on it (besides Glover), and because the first one is what it is, this one is enough good for a secuel.
Stephen hopkins direction was so plain that he was even incapable of ruining it. I have doubts that he was even there during filming....if a squirrell with a camera had directed it, the movie would be exactly the same.
AVP 1 and AVP:R : For starters I am not very fond on the AVP premise, but as a fan of SCI FI, give me a decent movie and i will devorate it. But if its possible, dont mess with Alien please. Do a Predator VS Riddick, Predators VS JAR JAR, a Predator VS ET, whatever, but dont f**k around with Alien. And if you do, please have a minimum respect for it. But in this two movies, they didnt had any respect for Alien, and not even for Predator, degradating both characters at shamefull levels.
Both movies are an insult to intelligence, an insult to movies, an insult to directors. nothing is worth on them. Life would be much better if they disapear forever.
In my world, they don´t exists.
Anderson is a plain director that make mvies that I can enjoy on a sunday afternoon with a masive hangover and my brain just in mode off, (Event Horizon its the best thing he ever did), so, not a guy that you want behing anything related to Alien...
The Strause brothers should quit directing forever. All their movies are just crap. I trully hink they are good people and that have the best of the intentions, but they have no talent for directing, and somebody should tell em. ( seems that hollywood allready told em).
Lol dude your right on so many levels! I prefer Aliens but Alien is more groundbreaking (it's shot better than aliens). James Cameron doesn't even make movies anymore....he makes spectacles! Like he's only coming out of bed if he's going to make the highest grossing film of all time. it's a shame as well cos the guy is just so good. He wrote aliens in like a month or something, that just takes the piss.
Alien 3 your right on as well, could of been a great movie if they would of let Fincher actually direct the film....oh and maybe have a finished script as well! (The cast of Alien 3 is probably the most talented in terms of acting)
Alien resurrection.....wow what a peace of turd! I liked one shot and one shot only. When the general pulls out those cubes of whiskey and they get melted with the lazer. That one shot is the only thing going for the movie. Have you seen the making of it? The director at one point says he never gave any direction to Sigourney through out the entire film. Is this guy mad? How can you direct a film and not give your leading lady any direction? The "king" alien or hybrid at the end ? are you being serious? what the hell were they thinking!
Predator is great, maybe not as ground breaking as the first alien but it's really good. The music, the cast, it's shot really well and completely stands the test of time.
Predator 2 is a joke. Fun but it's a joke.
AVP. Fox just sold out i could write a novel on how bad the movie was.
AVP2. Ok well all i can say is this movie make's AVP and alien resurection look like the godfather and schindlers list.It makes them look like cinematic peaces of gold.
yep the strauss brothers need to be shot ;) But i blame fox, how the hell are you gonna get two guys to direct a movie when theyve never directed a movie in there lives? And give them some crazy budget......The cast of AVP2 was so bad i can't even begin to explain.What were they thinking? I can only hope and pray promethious is going to be good ;)
Quote from: fry1236 on Nov 30, 2011, 09:52:19 AM
I agree on you with the acting with them ;) Thats the fist thing I noticed :D
I have seen Event Horizon (well the first 20 mins :-X :laugh:) and it's ok. Although I'd have to see all of it to really judge it. (So doing that on the Holidays)
I really have to get these novels, could someone name them all for me so I can get them?
Event Horizon is good, so check it out when you get a chance ;)
The novels i can't remember them of the top of my head but i am sure you can find them on here some where. They did alien ones then they started to do AvP ones. They had a really good aliens one called earth hive i think. It was basically a sequal to Aliens . Imagine Newt and Hicks survived , they gave them different names tho like Billie was on of them but i can't remember the second characters name. the AVP ones they did a few, one i remember in particular. it was basically about this bad ass japanese(samurai trained) lady who basically run's an off world colony owned by the company. Predators shoot alien eggs on to the planet and begin to hunt. The colonists stuck in the middle. To cut a long story short the bad ass samurai lady ends up helping a predator. The predator bloods her (like he does in the move with the alien blood on her fore head) and the fight alongside one another. At the end of the book a ship of predators turn up (much like the film) and instead of giving her a weapon and pissing off they take her with them. The next book she's living on the predator planet fighting against other predators in some gladiator style fighting cage. She goes of to hunt with them etc.... It's pretty f*****g cool and they should of based the movie on that ;)
Can't say I agree about Predator 2 being a joke. Not at all.
Predator 2 is a great addition to the predator franchise. It also adds a lot of new stuff to the predator lore.
Quote from: Hicks101 on Nov 30, 2011, 02:34:26 PM
AVP2. Ok well all i can say is this movie make's AVP and alien resurection look like the godfather and schindlers list.It makes them look like cinematic peaces of gold.
yep the strauss brothers need to be shot ;) But i blame fox, how the hell are you gonna get two guys to direct a movie when theyve never directed a movie in there lives? And give them some crazy budget......The cast of AVP2 was so bad i can't even begin to explain.What were they thinking? I can only hope and pray promethious is going to be good ;)
Well, Fincher never directed a movie before. just comercials. At least the Strausse had worked before in a lot of movies before. But anyway, even they lack any talent, the script and everything else was wrong on that movie.
Quote from: Hicks101 on Nov 30, 2011, 02:34:26 PM
Quote from: fry1236 on Nov 30, 2011, 09:52:19 AM
I agree on you with the acting with them ;) Thats the fist thing I noticed :D
I have seen Event Horizon (well the first 20 mins :-X :laugh:) and it's ok. Although I'd have to see all of it to really judge it. (So doing that on the Holidays)
I really have to get these novels, could someone name them all for me so I can get them?
Event Horizon is good, so check it out when you get a chance ;)
The novels i can't remember them of the top of my head but i am sure you can find them on here some where. They did alien ones then they started to do AvP ones. They had a really good aliens one called earth hive i think. It was basically a sequal to Aliens . Imagine Newt and Hicks survived , they gave them different names tho like Billie was on of them but i can't remember the second characters name. the AVP ones they did a few, one i remember in particular. it was basically about this bad ass japanese(samurai trained) lady who basically run's an off world colony owned by the company. Predators shoot alien eggs on to the planet and begin to hunt. The colonists stuck in the middle. To cut a long story short the bad ass samurai lady ends up helping a predator. The predator bloods her (like he does in the move with the alien blood on her fore head) and the fight alongside one another. At the end of the book a ship of predators turn up (much like the film) and instead of giving her a weapon and pissing off they take her with them. The next book she's living on the predator planet fighting against other predators in some gladiator style fighting cage. She goes of to hunt with them etc.... It's pretty f*****g cool and they should of based the movie on that ;)
Thanks a lot ;D I have to get that book, it would have made an awesome movie I wander if it was hard to breath for the lady? and their (predators) planet is thought to be really hot like over 200 degrees hot :-\ oh well just a book (what am I saying? :laugh:) thanks again.
Quote from: BobGrill on Nov 30, 2011, 05:07:36 PM
Can't say I agree about Predator 2 being a joke. Not at all.
Maybe i was a bit harsh in saying it's a joke but i feel it's just not creditable as the previous film. Danny Glover isn't a good enough leading man, all the characters felt unbelievable. I mean the way they portrayed LA was really odd. It was almost like a whole different world,it just didn't have that sense of realism the first one did. I mean even the bits when news reports would flash on tv and the terrible actor playing the reporter. It was all a bit hammy and staged. I don't think it added to much to the Predator back story. The only cool things were....The new weapons, the company knowing about them and wanting their technology, the final scene when they give Danny the gun and you see the alien skull in the ship. It wasn't a huge eye opener that's all i am saying!
I think the Strauss guys directed some music videos/behind the scene's stuff and they did a lot of visual effects on some other big movies. But i don't think it warrants them directing that film and being given a huge budget. It was pitch black, you couldn't see what the hell was going on , the story was awful and the actors.....Well put it this way i think we could assemble a better cast of actors from this forum ;)
I thought the news reporter was suppose to be terrible ??? :laugh:
Predator 2 is fun to watch. It gives a more understanding of the Predator, why it hunts and what does it hunt. It's definately an important addition to the Predator franchise. If Predator was an ensemble-action movie, then Predator 2 is a buddy-cop movie, just with Predators thrown in. And AVP:R is one of the most atrocious pieces of film I have ever seen, same goes with Rez. The Strauses should just stay in their CGI and editing things, no more direction, please no. They'd be taking the piss if they aquired the rights to make a 3rd AVP.
I always found the characters in Predator 2 more believable than the macho 80s commandos of the 1st film. Danny Glover was great IMO.
I have to say AVP, although I was tempted to vote for AVPR. AVPR reminds me of nothing more than a cheap horror movie with aliens and predators dropped in, but at least there were in my opinion little things here and there that held true to prior movies, unlike AVP. I'm sorry but the thermal vision in AVP really bothered me, that fact that the predators were as big and bulky as offensive linemen upset me to the 10th degree and the lack of stealthiness by the predators was totally off course, i.e. when the three preds walked lined up together, uncloaked, on the floor into the pyramid. Just my opinion again, but the way AVP characterized the predators completely ruined the movie for me. I wasn't expecting greatness; but, wow was that a disappointment.
The Predators in AVP looked crap. Why did they need so much armour? And their neck seems much shorter and the head is larger. Spongey skin too.
AVPR corrected this design to my viewings of a milennium Predator, still, the movie was shit.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Dec 02, 2011, 04:12:26 PM
Why did they need so much armour?
I dunno, they're fighting things with sharp claws, harpoon tails and inner jaws, not to mention their funny, funny acid blood.
Quote from: BobGrill on Dec 02, 2011, 12:38:53 AM
I always found the characters in Predator 2 more believable than the macho 80s commandos of the 1st film. Danny Glover was great IMO.
Absolutely Glover was awesome in P2, but keep in mind with regards to P1 that "Macho Commandos" was big in the '80s. Big guns, big muscles, big hair...
small clothes, shaving...
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Dec 02, 2011, 05:51:30 PM
Quote from: BobGrill on Dec 02, 2011, 12:38:53 AM
I always found the characters in Predator 2 more believable than the macho 80s commandos of the 1st film. Danny Glover was great IMO.
Absolutely Glover was awesome in P2, but keep in mind with regards to P1 that "Macho Commandos" was big in the '80s. Big guns, big muscles, big hair...
With the lone standouts being Poncho and Hawkins.
Quote from: fry1236 on Dec 01, 2011, 10:32:10 AM
I thought the news reporter was suppose to be terrible ??? :laugh:
And somehow he is in LA with the job or maybe it was the heat that made him act terrible. Still love the scene on the train when the predator punches the tv screen when his on it :laugh:. Still a good movie thought.
The AvP movies, I can't pick one, and Resurrection. Awful, awful movies. I'm only acknowledging their existence for this thread, otherwise the franchise stopped at Alien 3 and Predator
The AvP movies bastardised everything that Ripley fought and died for in the first three movies and as for Resurection....
The Newborn.... need I say more
The AvP movies have nothing to do with the Alien or Predator films, as much as the directors wanted to tie them together.
I love the Predator films not just because they're straight up action rather than horror, but I am partial to any film that features Arnold and Carl Weathers. Carl Weathers is just so damn awesome. But so is Bill Duke and all those other guys. Dammit, I want to see the guys from Predator take on the Aliens, that would have been so damn epic.
I actually still have a chip on my shoulder against Requiem for the obvious reasons. But what really gets on my tits is that they thought it would be SO much better with blood and gore, and it wasn't. I will say this one last time... Blood and Gore does NOT make a movie better. It makes it more dramatic if used properly, but even in the 70's, you could have a lot of blood or gore in a movie and still get a PG-rating. I cite the scene from the 1979 film Time after time where they find a bloody, severed hand on the floor and a cop loses his lunch upon seeing it. Honestly, something like that at least to me isn't much less gross or gory than the chest burster scene in Alien. I do admire Alien for adopting a less is more philosophy when it comes to blood and gore. All the deaths, or killings are for the most part off-screen or way too obscure to make out. Predators is also not all that gory either. Sure, a spine is pulled out, a character is blown to hell, but it's not all like in your face for the sake of shock value.
In terms of the final product the AVP's - the ideas present are intriguing and do correct some issues from their mother franchises, but the acting was wooden and the production values seemed back to front IMO, AVP should have been darker and small scale, AVPR should have been bolder and large scale, instead what we got was the other way round.
In terms of overall product Alien 3 and Alien Rez, 3 was plagued with problems and stupid ideas from the start, hell Fincher disowned the film, and Rez had the same problems - Whedon has stated that what he intended was completely different to what appeared as the final product.
IMO the franchises can be salvaged, both individually and the crossover, just give the job to seasoned directors with some clout not relative newcomers that follow studio and producers orders.
Quote from: Snorkelbottom on Dec 20, 2011, 02:22:48 PM
and Rez had the same problems - Whedon has stated that what he intended was completely different to what he originally intended.
Sorry, what?
Good place to mention this. If anyone is at all interested Alien v Predator is starting on Film 4 here in the UK at 10:50PM GMT. I might as well watch it :)
AVPR, doutbless
AvP:R, reasons have been mentioned all over the forum, so I don't need to repeat.
Alien 3 and AVPR
I thought after watching Alien 3 a few times I would grow to like it but I just don't (I like the ox being facehugged though)
i chose AVP:R. i like the movie, but it is horrible.
Now who the hell voted for Predator and Alien.
And Ressurrection? seriously it is one of the best. it shares my number one alien movie with Alien and Aliens.
Alien 3 is boooring.
Resurrection is stupid. The newborn= retarded.
Quote from: BobGrill on Jan 09, 2012, 08:15:18 PM
Resurrection is stupid. The newborn= retarded.
no man, its tots awesome.
Long time alien and predator fan here.
The newborn was retarded, we got an Alien body covered in skin, instead of a human body covered in bio-mechanics (which would have been better), all because of Sil in Species.
Think of the first alien without the dome (with the human skull at the front), thats what we should have had
I'm probably going to go with AvP:R.
AVP:R no contest! It's so bad it almost doesn't count.
Yes man, just yes (read: de gustibus non disputandum est).
It brilliantly succeeds at what it was supposed to be, by the way.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 10, 2012, 05:46:11 PM
Yes man, just yes (read: de gustibus non disputandum est).
It brilliantly succeeds at what it was supposed to be, by the way.
right there with you. i think it was a really cool addition to the alien franchise.
I thought it was a really stupid addition that was responsible for killing the Alien franchise.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 10, 2012, 05:46:11 PM
Yes man, just yes (read: de gustibus non disputandum est).
It brilliantly succeeds at what it was supposed to be, by the way.
This is true, but I myself feel that maybe it could of been done better.
Quote from: BobGrill on Jan 11, 2012, 01:16:45 AM
I thought it was a really stupid addition that was responsible for killing the Alien franchise.
what? the movie ended with no loose ends. it was an ending to the story of ripley. THATs what "ended" the franchise
The story ended when Ripley died at the end of Alien 3. There was no need for another sequel.
The avp films were my least favorite
Predators
They can destroy AVP as much as they want...
it is "Alien VERSUS Predator"
so it's not a bad thing, but Predators no no no
you don't touch an already installed license with
such an horrible film.
Quote from: BobGrill on Jan 11, 2012, 05:05:17 PM
The story ended when Ripley died at the end of Alien 3. There was no need for another sequel.
but they did, and it was sweet. but the franchise didnt end just because the newborn rocked?
Quote from: BobGrill on Jan 11, 2012, 01:16:45 AM
I thought it was a really stupid addition that was responsible for killing the Alien franchise.
By what logic?
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Jan 11, 2012, 11:06:16 AM
This is true, but I myself feel that maybe it could of been done better.
I do think there's room for improvement (a pair of concept designs looked better than the final product), but we're talking about a 'an abominable thing to look at', and 'the horrible version of a child'. The Newborn brilliantly succeeds in both categories. Another thing, but that's to do with writing, it appears only in the last 10 mins of the film, they could've put a set up or give it more screen time, but for what we got, it's all good.
Quote from: BobGrill on Jan 11, 2012, 05:05:17 PM
There was no need for another sequel.
No need for
Alien3, either.
Alright guys. You like the movie, I hate it. Just deal with it.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 11, 2012, 08:43:33 PM
No need for Alien3, either.
No need for Aliens either.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 11, 2012, 08:43:33 PM
Another thing, but that's to do with writing, it appears only in the last 10 mins of the film, they could've put a set up or give it more screen time, but for what we got, it's all good.
That's my main problem with it. The design itself if fine; it's the execution that was bad. It just felt tacked on at the end.
AVP-R is the worst of the worst, bad lighting, bad acting, bad fights, no character development and a bad script. i really do not need to keep going since you guys already know how bad it is.
AVP is next on the list BUT it had potential to be good which is what makes it a bitter disappointment, no character development, quick life cycle like its sequel, no realistic gore (remember how much blood comes from a chestburster in the original? hell in one seen when Sebastian's chestburster frees itself, there is no blood on it at all) the predators were badly designed, they looked too human.
Alien rez is next but its because of the farfetchedness of it, i mean seriously, super-human strength? i don't care if she is part alien, her physical make up is mostly human and thus punching through metal is just stupid....stupider still is that she didn't think of doing that before.
alien 3 will not be put on my least fav list because its flaws are forgiveable due to the production problems and interference from fox, plus the director was not even brought on until late in production so its a miracle that its a film worth watching.
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jan 11, 2012, 05:18:20 PM
Predators
They can destroy AVP as much as they want...
it is "Alien VERSUS Predator"
so it's not a bad thing, but Predators no no no
you don't touch an already installed license with
such an horrible film.
are you seriously saying predators was the worst movie OF ALL the movies on this list?
Quote from: Edvin on Jan 13, 2012, 07:06:55 PM
Quote from: Le Celticant on Jan 11, 2012, 05:18:20 PM
Predators
They can destroy AVP as much as they want...
it is "Alien VERSUS Predator"
so it's not a bad thing, but Predators no no no
you don't touch an already installed license with
such an horrible film.
are you seriously saying predators was the worst movie OF ALL the movies on this list?
lol now that is funny, i like all predator films but even i know that predator 2 was the worst of the three films, just look at the reviews. the best was predator followed by predators. but as 99% has agreed, AVP-R is the worst alien/predator film if not one of THE worst films ever
Predators was the worst of the Pred films. It has weak acting, a piss poor script, and teeny tiny Predators.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 13, 2012, 08:53:46 PM
Predators was the worst of the Pred films. It has weak acting, a piss poor script, and teeny tiny Predators.
you are entitled to your opinion but professionally reviewers say otherwise. its currently mixed but it has 60 or more percent of favourable reviews on rotten tomatoes.
this is predator 2 reviews, this is from wikipedia.
"The film received mostly negative reviews, though reviewers were generally impressed by the casting of Danny Glover as an action hero. The reviewers for the Washington Post were split: Rita Kempley enjoyed the movie, noting she felt that it had "dismal irony of RoboCop and the brooding fatalism of Blade Runner", and felt Glover "brings an unusual depth to the action adventure and proves fiercely effective as the Predator's new nemesis."Meanwhile, Desson Howe felt the film was "blithely unoriginal" and numbingly violent, but also praised Glover's ability to bring warmth to the center of a cold movie.In her review for The New York Times, Janet Maslin called the film "an unbeatable contender" for the "most mindless, mean-spirited action film of the holiday season."Chicago Sun-Times critic Roger Ebert, in giving the film two out of four stars, suggested that it represents an "angry and ugly" dream; he also felt that the creatures' design had racist undertones where "subliminal clues [...] encourage us to subconsciously connect the menace with black males."
now predators.
Critical reception
Review aggregate website Rotten Tomatoes gives the film a score of 64% based on 176 reviews, with an average score of 5.8/10. The site's critical consensus is: "After a string of subpar sequels, this bloody, action-packed reboot takes the Predator franchise back to its testosterone-fueled roots." Another review aggregation website Metacritic gave the film a score of 51% indicating mixed reviews, based on 30 reviews from selected mainstream critics.
A. O. Scott of The New York Times said that, "Antal is a good enough action director that some of the combat is pretty exciting."On the other hand, Michael Phillips of the Chicago Tribune wrote that, "When the story relocates to the Fishburne character's grimy, claustrophobic domicile, the movie turns static.
The filmmakers may have been going for an Alien industrial-grunge vibe, but the tension just isn't sufficient."
The primary complaint leveled against the film is the failure, as film critic Roger Ebert of the Chicago Sun-Times described, of the cast to capture the "quiet suspense" of the original Predator film. Chris Nashawaty of Entertainment Weekly complained that the film's characters were more like "cardboard clichés lining up for the body count" than real action heroes.
Lou Lumenick of the New York Post gave the film a positive review by stating that, "After 23 years and three attempts, Predators finally delivers a solid sequel to the Arnold Schwarzenegger B-movie classic." He also added that, "It's not exactly hard to predict who the survivors will be at the end of Predators, but it's a fun ride."
now out of those two sequels its obvious which one was branded the worst, predator 2 but you are still entitled to your opinions because not everyone has the same tastes and some people regardless of what critics wrote, enjoy the films.
the worst of the bunch is still AVP-R though in my opinion though, whatever you view as bad in predators is far worse in AVP-R
I love Predator 2. Hate how it gets shit on all the time.
yeah, i dont understand how anyone cant like predator 2. i mean predators is the worst of the predator-movies, but it is still great, and i love it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 13, 2012, 08:53:46 PM
Predators was the worst of the Pred films. It has weak acting, a piss poor script, and teeny tiny Predators.
wut.
Showing critic reviews to prove other people wrong is one of the most piss-poor arguments one could ever pull out. Ever.
And 'teeny tiny' Predators might refer to the fact the classic Predator was barely taller than Adrien Brody... whereas the original practically towered over Schwarzenegger.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 14, 2012, 06:14:23 PM
Showing critic reviews to prove other people wrong is one of the most piss-poor arguments one could ever pull out. Ever.
And 'teeny tiny' Predators might refer to the fact the classic Predator was barely taller than Adrien Brody... whereas the original practically towered over Schwarzenegger.
I wasn't trying to prove anyone wrong, i was merely showing the "non-fan views" over the predator sequels. As i said in that very same post, everyone is entitled to their opinions, have different tastes in movies and regardless of critics, they enjoy the movies.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 14, 2012, 06:14:23 PM
Showing critic reviews to prove other people wrong is one of the most piss-poor arguments one could ever pull out. Ever.
And 'teeny tiny' Predators might refer to the fact the classic Predator was barely taller than Adrien Brody... whereas the original practically towered over Schwarzenegger.
agreed, it is never a good idea to show "statistics" from RT
seriously? does the length of the predators disturb people that much? it was barely noticable in the film.
Quote from: Edvin on Jan 14, 2012, 06:22:36 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 14, 2012, 06:14:23 PM
Showing critic reviews to prove other people wrong is one of the most piss-poor arguments one could ever pull out. Ever.
And 'teeny tiny' Predators might refer to the fact the classic Predator was barely taller than Adrien Brody... whereas the original practically towered over Schwarzenegger.
seriously? does the length of the predators disturb people that much? it was barely noticable in the film.
I agree. I thought their height was fine. As long as they are taller than the lead actor, I'm fine with it.
And my least favorite is Alien3. Not so much that it's a bad film, but more of what it represents - The downfall of the Alien franchise(IMO)
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 06:19:25 PM
I wasn't try to prove anyone wrong, i was merely showing the "non-fan views" over the predator sequels. As i said in that very same post, everyone is entitled to their opinions, have different tastes in movies and regardless of critics, they enjoy the movies.
This...
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 13, 2012, 08:28:23 PM
lol now that is funny, i like all predator films but even i know that predator 2 was the worst of the three films, just look at the reviews.
...didn't really express that feel.
Quote from: Edvin on Jan 14, 2012, 06:22:36 PM
seriously? does the length of the predators disturb people that much? it was barely noticable in the film.
For some people it is. I didn't mind it
too much, but if you think about it it's hilarious. They wanted to show the audience the 'Black' Predator was bigger than the 'Classic' one, and they failed at that. Otherwise, I can just say 'Classic' was just a shorter-than-usual Predator.
Quote from: Edvin on Jan 14, 2012, 06:22:36 PM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 14, 2012, 06:14:23 PM
Showing critic reviews to prove other people wrong is one of the most piss-poor arguments one could ever pull out. Ever.
And 'teeny tiny' Predators might refer to the fact the classic Predator was barely taller than Adrien Brody... whereas the original practically towered over Schwarzenegger.
agreed, it is never a good idea to show "statistics" from RT
seriously? does the length of the predators disturb people that much? it was barely noticable in the film.
The classic and falconer were the shortest but they all towered over the humans. as for the "statics", non-biased views are still better than a fans view, though RT sometimes gives more than a film deserves and it is made up from the public rather than proper critics/
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 14, 2012, 06:28:21 PM
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 06:19:25 PM
I wasn't try to prove anyone wrong, i was merely showing the "non-fan views" over the predator sequels. As i said in that very same post, everyone is entitled to their opinions, have different tastes in movies and regardless of critics, they enjoy the movies.
This...
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 13, 2012, 08:28:23 PM
lol now that is funny, i like all predator films but even i know that predator 2 was the worst of the three films, just look at the reviews.
...didn't really express that feel.
Quote from: Edvin on Jan 14, 2012, 06:22:36 PM
seriously? does the length of the predators disturb people that much? it was barely noticable in the film.
For some people it is. I didn't mind it too much, but if you think about it it's hilarious. They wanted to show the audience the 'Black' Predator was bigger than the 'Classic' one, and they failed at that. Otherwise, I can just say 'Classic' was just a shorter-than-usual Predator.
reviews are obvious but i have my opinions as well and i view predators as a decent sequel. you don't have to.
RT is an aggregate showing how a group expresses its opinions.
'Non-biased' leads nowhere. Still a personal opinion.
Aaand for the record I like Predators a lot.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 14, 2012, 06:33:43 PM
RT is an aggregate showing how a group expresses its opinions.
'Non-biased' leads nowhere. Still a personal opinion.
Aaand for the record I like Predators a lot.
Never said you didn't, and i was talking about the critics being non-biased, not the damn tomatoes.
fans (not all) sometimes like a sequel even its obviously bad. which is why i always look at the reviews of films before watching it, even if its part of a franchise that i like.
however despite bad reviews i decided to test what my personal opinion would be of avp-r and so i decided to watch it, i now wished i never watched it, its an embarrassment to say the least.
Different strokes, different folks. 'Obviously bad' is subjective.
It is my opinion that you have to watch a film to judge whether you like it or not. Critics' opinion never had any weight on my interest for a film.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 14, 2012, 06:48:42 PM
Different strokes, different folks. 'Obviously bad' is subjective.
It is my opinion that you have to watch a film to judge whether you like it or not. Critics' opinion never had any weight on my interest for a film.
but you must agree that the worst film of 9 films is AVP-R
AVP 2004 had potential but that too was disappointing.
some cross-overs should just stay in books until more experienced people can adapt to film right.
I wonder, how many of the AVP and AVPR haters were begging for an AVP film before 2004.
Quote from: Snorkelbottom on Jan 14, 2012, 06:57:27 PM
I wonder, how many of the AVP and AVPR haters were begging for an AVP film before 2004.
actually i wasn't fussed. i was intrigued but i never held my breath. and i don't outright hate the first one, its a bad film but it had potential.
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 06:55:32 PM
but you must agree that the worst film of 9 films is AVP-R
I do agree with you, I don't like it.
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 06:55:32 PM
AVP 2004 had potential but that too was disappointing.
I like it. Sure as hell not up here with any of the
Alien and
Predator films, but I do.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 14, 2012, 07:02:07 PM
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 06:55:32 PM
but you must agree that the worst film of 9 films is AVP-R
I do agree with you, I don't like it.
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 06:55:32 PM
AVP 2004 had potential but that too was disappointing.
I like it. Sure as hell not up here with any of the Alien and Predator films, but I do.
exactly, what was missing from the first avp film was realistic gore (a chestburster comes out of someone looking very clean) character development, slower life cycle and better fights since the one between celtic and grid was like a cat fight mixed with bad wrestling, predators may be monster but they are supposed to have brains too which was lacking in that film. I mean if you were in a place where facehuggers and aliens were running rampant and you just suddenly awoke with little memory, wouldn't you be alarmed? and celtic was also forgetful of alien acid.
now had most of these been added, the film would have been quite decent.
Gore wasn't needed. It is not gore that made the former films great. I do agree the clean chestburster was weird, it's a goof more than anything. The quick life cycle thing is just nitpicking. Never put any weight on it. Loved Celtic against Nethead, I personally thought it was a great fight.
I agree that Alien 3 was really the downfall of the series, though I still like it. Ressurection just seemed like an excuse to make money. Again this is just my opinion. I personally find the movie to be very silly and unecessary.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 14, 2012, 07:15:33 PM
Gore wasn't needed. It is not gore that made the former films great. I do agree the clean chestburster was weird, it's a goof more than anything. The quick life cycle thing is just nitpicking. Never put any weight on it. Loved Celtic against Nethead, I personally thought it was a great fight.
I'm gonna go with that right there. I thought the fight between Celtic and Grid to be very badass.
Quote from: BobGrill on Jan 14, 2012, 07:20:17 PM
I agree that Alien 3 was really the downfall of the series, though I still like it. Ressurection just seemed like an excuse to make money.
Alien3 itself was made 'just for the money'. :P
Quote from: Prime113 on Jan 14, 2012, 07:21:11 PM
I'm gonna go with that right there. I thought the fight between Celtic and Grid to be very badass.
Glad someone agrees. That fight singlehandledly owns every single one we've seen in the sequel.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 14, 2012, 07:15:33 PM
Gore wasn't needed. It is not gore that made the former films great. I do agree the clean chestburster was weird, it's a goof more than anything. The quick life cycle thing is just nitpicking. Never put any weight on it. Loved Celtic against Nethead, I personally thought it was a great fight.
its not nitpicking because aliens are supposed to grow in hours or half a day not minutes. so something growing in hours is "meh ok its an alien and its sci/f"i but something growing in 10 mins is WTF. Celtic vs nethead or grid is only bad in my opinion because the lack of techniques in the predator's fighting style, i know they are unblooded but they should know combat techniques (they can't be that primitive) the fighting from the alien is to be expected since they are not sentient. What i really don't like about the fight the most is the stupidity of the celtic, he knows acid burns through their basic equipment but he took his time walking to the alien and getting his dagger out. well overconfidence is the weakness of most predators. as for the gore, i don't think it was need, i just meant realistic gore as in what would really happen if something burst out of your chest or you got impaled etc etc
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 07:23:44 PM
its not nitpicking because aliens are supposed to grow in hours or half a day not minutes.
Yes it is, because it is so incredibly irrelevant to the actual quality of the film.
Not to mention we're clearly
not dealing with the LV-426 Aliens.
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 07:23:44 PM
Celtic vs nethead or grid is only bad in my opinion because the lack of techniques in the predator's fighting style,
They are hunters, not professional fighters. That and Celtic held his ground rather greatly, considering he had the disadvantage (lacking the shoulder caster and all).
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 07:23:44 PM
i know they are unblooded
Not known.
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 07:23:44 PM
What i really don't like about the fight the most is the stupidity of the celtic, he knows acid burns through their basic equipment but he took his time walking to the alien and getting his dagger out.
Not anywhere near worse than the two original Predators, who got their asses handed to them
properly because of the same reason. Hubris.
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 07:23:44 PM
i just meant realistic gore as in what would really happen if something burst out of your chest or you got impaled etc etc
It was just a goof for a sequence. I don't see how it holds any relevance to the quality of the film. If we judged films by goofs, there'd be some pretty funny ratings out there.
i was using the chestburster as an example, all the wounds sustained in film are near bloodless unless its predator or alien blood, speaking of goofs, did you notice celtic has a magic mask? :laugh: when grid kills celtic, the headbite hole is no where to be seen on the mask.
The film had little blood, in a lot of cases because the sequence is quick (like the camouflaged Predator wristblades, that was a great shot).
Yeah I did notice that goof. Not worse than the magically changing blood on Clemens' clothes or on Kane's shirt.
they did quick close ups as well, so you don't see too much, like when adele dies.
Exactly. But as said, I didn't mind that.
its not always a bad thing but when the films has more flaws then it just adds to it. Scar was pretty stupid though, if i woke up and not remembering going to sleep and i was aware of the creature running around then i would be seriously alarmed.
Who knows what he was thinking. Perhaps he was planning to tell the other Predators, but didn't live long enough to do so.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 14, 2012, 08:10:10 PM
Who knows what he was thinking. Perhaps he was planning to tell the other Predators, but didn't live long enough to do so.
yes but the predators have a harsh tribal nature as well as an honour system, getting defiled by their prey for lack of a better word, would be very shameful and they would either expect scar to have killed himself or they might have killed him if he survived the battle.
We don't have enough data on their culture to give all those things for sure. Again, his plan could've been that of telling the other Predators, in order to get the thing out of his chest without problems.
its possible but going by their nature from the films its an unlikely scenario but that is my opinion.
Scar didn't seem to be aware he was infected with an alien as he would have been more occupied with leaving and getting to the ship rather than stalking lex for the plasma caster.
@ Omegizilla: Yes it was, but to me it felt that Resurrection was made even more so for the money than Alien 3. That's just my personal view on it.
Alien 3 is when it started to go down the drain but there were problems during the production so the film is forgiveable but alien rez was just too far fetched but its was a bearable film.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 14, 2012, 07:15:33 PM
Gore wasn't needed. It is not gore that made the former films great. I do agree the clean chestburster was weird, it's a goof more than anything. The quick life cycle thing is just nitpicking. Never put any weight on it. Loved Celtic against Nethead, I personally thought it was a great fight.
No, it was needed. These films are never, ever shy about getting their hands dirty and sure as shit can't have a living organism explode out of someone's chest without blood going everywhere like in Alien.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 14, 2012, 09:57:26 PM
No, it was needed.
No, it wasn't.
Alien would still be a masterpiece even if we couldn't see John Hurt's heart still beating whilst the Chestburster rises from his chest,
Predator would still be a masterpiece if we couldn't see flesh and blood dripping from Billy's skull, and I challenge you to say otherwise.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 14, 2012, 09:57:26 PM
These films are never, ever shy about getting their hands dirty and sure as shit can't have a living organism explode out of someone's chest without blood going everywhere like in Alien.
This is the more-or-less fifth time I hear you using the term 'shy'.
What was Sebastian's chestburster was simply a goof. End sentence.
The blood adds dramatic effect. I'm not saying it needs to be like Quentin Tarantino where blood flies all over the walls but it's a nice addition. It doesn't make sense seeing all this violence happen and there isn't a generous amount of blood to go with it.
They are basically horror films (well the first alien film at least), so some blood has to be there or it just ridicules. As for avp, Fox wanted to get more money by having a wider audience, so they needed to put the rating down.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 14, 2012, 11:13:22 PM
The blood adds dramatic effect.
Not always.
I'd rather have the PG-13 AvP we got than the R sequel... in the case of which gore actually affects how I view it.
Negatively.
I can perfectly do without blood, and I still stands that the
lack of gore doesn't affect a film in any way.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 14, 2012, 11:13:22 PM
It doesn't make sense seeing all this violence happen and there isn't a generous amount of blood to go with it.
It's
Alien Vs. Predator, the focus are the creatures - and we do see a lot of creature violence. Aliens are shot at with unspecified energy projectiles, get their heads cut and stabbed in a spear, whilst Predators get stabbed
through and get their brains splattered by Alien tongues. Even Anderson, in the commentary for the film, said that if they counted the Alien/Predator 'gore' the film would be a R. And he's right.
The gore in AvP happens really quickly. We get a guy stabbed through by wristblades, but we see it for a split-second. We see blood-stained Wristblades (complete with dripping blood), again in a split-second. Chestburstings quick and in the dark. Chestholes are seen in a split-second. A guy gets stabbed through and we see his blood dripping through the Predator spear - but it's dark.
This was all 'enhanced' in the Unrated cut, but do one or two drops of blood more really do the difference? Why is so much weight put into gore? I still do not understand, after the... what is it, uh, seventh time I come accross this subject?
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 11:20:39 PM
so some blood has to be there or it just ridicules.
How.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 14, 2012, 11:24:26 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 14, 2012, 11:13:22 PM
The blood adds dramatic effect.
Not always.
I'd rather have the PG-13 AvP we got than the R sequel... in the case of which gore actually affects how I view it.
Negatively.
I can perfectly do without blood, and I still stands that the lack of gore doesn't affect a film in any way.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jan 14, 2012, 11:13:22 PM
It doesn't make sense seeing all this violence happen and there isn't a generous amount of blood to go with it.
It's Alien Vs. Predator, the focus are the creatures - and we do see a lot of creature violence. Aliens are shot at with unspecified energy projectiles, get their heads cut and stabbed in a spear, whilst Predators get stabbed through and get their brains splattered by Alien tongues. Even Anderson, in the commentary for the film, said that if they counted the Alien/Predator 'gore' the film would be a R. And he's right.
The gore in AvP happens really quickly. We get a guy stabbed through by wristblades, but we see it for a split-second. We see blood-stained Wristblades (complete with dripping blood), again in a split-second. Chestburstings quick and in the dark. Chestholes are seen in a split-second. A guy gets stabbed through and we see his blood dripping through the Predator spear - but it's dark.
This was all 'enhanced' in the Unrated cut, but do one or two drops of blood more really do the difference? Why is so much weight put into gore? I still do not understand, after the... what is it, uh, seventh time I come accross this subject?
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 11:20:39 PM
so some blood has to be there or it just ridicules.
How.
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"how" you say? if someone got shot, they bleed and if they get stabbed with say..wrists blades and it went right through, then there will be more blood, most of the blades would be covered in it..
i don't care if there is no blood in a movie but if something violent happened and it would normally draw blood, then it is ridicules if there is no blood.
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 11:34:21 PM
"how" you say? if someone got shot, they bleed and if they get stabbed with say..wrists blades and it went right through, then there will be more blood, most of the blades would be covered in it..
There
is blood on the wristblades.
And they got pulled out rather quickly - so not too much blood makes sense.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jan 14, 2012, 11:37:15 PM
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 11:34:21 PM
"how" you say? if someone got shot, they bleed and if they get stabbed with say..wrists blades and it went right through, then there will be more blood, most of the blades would be covered in it..
There is blood on the wristblades.
And they got pulled out rather quickly - so not too much blood makes sense.
It wasn't that fast and the blood is still not much for a quick strike and its not just blood on weapons either, blood would near enough gush out at those deep wounds. we never see much that is true but we do see enough to know that the blood is lacking. In all aliens films and to different degrees, chestbursters birth causes blood to gush and splash everywhere and when it came to adele, all she had was a small red patch on her shirt. avp-r attempted to appease fans and other people by bringing it back to an 18 and that didn't save it so i am agreeing with you that blood doesn't make a good film but for situations were blood would flow a lot, there is less than what would really happen.
so its not the lack of blood in of itself, it is the lack of blood in bloody situations that the problem, though its the films other problems that is the worst.
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 11:50:29 PM
It wasn't that fast and the blood is still not much for a quick strike and its not just blood on weapons either, blood would near enough gush out at those deep wounds.
Got through the clothes.
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 11:50:29 PM
and when it came to adele, all she had was a small red patch on her shirt.
A red patch that was practically the same size as of the one Kane got - after the first 'try' that is. Then there's the actual chestbursting, which is shown quickly and in the dark. You do see blood on the chestburster though.
Yes there was blood on that chestburster, not much though and it wasn't that dark, the patch was the same size throughout the bursting. They used extreme close ups as well during that bursting.
avp r sucks
End of story
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 11:58:00 PM
Yes there was blood on that chestburster, not much though and it wasn't that dark, the patch was the same size throughout the bursting. They used extreme close ups as well during that bursting.
That burster in AvP was fakest most rubbery looking thing. Until that one on the kid in AvP:Poo - which I think was CG. Ugh...
Quote from: SM on Jan 16, 2012, 01:45:51 AM
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 14, 2012, 11:58:00 PM
Yes there was blood on that chestburster, not much though and it wasn't that dark, the patch was the same size throughout the bursting. They used extreme close ups as well during that bursting.
That burster in AvP was fakest most rubbery looking thing. Until that one on the kid in AvP:Poo - which I think was CG. Ugh...
yes it most likely was cgi but it could been a bit of both as some films mix cgi with practical effects, anyway AVP-R is a big pile of donkey turd. Shame it was only nominated for two razzies and didn't even get them.
All of the movies are watchable for me but A:R just ruined my hopes for ever seeing the xenomorph in all its former glory. :-\
yes it all went downhill after that, arguably it started with alien 3
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 30, 2012, 07:45:11 PM
yes it all went downhill after that, arguably it started with alien 3
I enjoy Alien 3 possibly because it trys to go back to the root of what the first alien is psychological horror. Too bad is went through hell being made, we may actully have gotten something better
indeed, alien 3 was not too bad but still inferior to the first two films.
Uwe boll IS paul WS anderson lol
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Jan 30, 2012, 08:09:10 PM
indeed, alien 3 was not too bad but still inferior to the first two films.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEgh8TUlpQc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEgh8TUlpQc#)
No, he got it right the first time.
In short: de gustibus non disputandum est.
Ah latin, yep a person's opinions and tastes cannot be disputed. :laugh:
AVP because the action is lacking and when 2 predators die in the span of a few minutes by the same alien, and characters are poor a few you don't know what they're doing there
i think there is more action in avp than any of the other movies.
More than Aliens? I seriously doubt it
Quote from: Edvin on Feb 10, 2012, 11:43:27 PM
i think there is more action in avp than any of the other movies.
i think AvP:R has the most. I mean the first goddamn scene was an action scene. Throughout the entire film it switches from horrible writing to a Predator action scene
I rewatched Alien3 just now. It's not my least favourite, I'll say that. In some small way, I think I prefer it over Aliens.
OMG, I watched Aliens in blu ray last night :o
sorry you just reminded me :D
I wonder how Prometheus will fair once its out, because its possible it could end up a turkey although since Ridley Scott is directing it has a good chance of being great but in the end its down to personal opinions of it. Some people may not like it just because it has no Xenomorphs (that we know of currently) although that won't matter to me since as long as its a good film with a good story, i'm fine with it. Well so far i think AVP film series is the worst, with AVP-R being THE worst. The first film did have potential though which is what makes it more of a bitter disappointment. Alien Rez is another one i consider bad but better than AVP-R.
Alien 3, Alien Ressurection, AVP and AVP-R are all bad films which get progressively worse with each movie, i blame fox for alien 3 not fincher.
Alien 3 wasn't the best but it was not the worst, it was a miracle it turned out as average as it did considering the production hell and the interfering fox. while some may say that there is plenty of blame to go around, most of it definitely belongs to fox.
alien 3 and 4 are terrible and i never want to see them again, but Alien and Aliens was alright, but i like predator
Predators was alright as well although nothing will beat the original.
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Feb 18, 2012, 11:39:46 PM
Predators was alright as well although nothing will beat the original.
Yeah, unless one with females finally comes out. ;D
Quote from: fry1236 on Feb 19, 2012, 01:34:14 AM
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Feb 18, 2012, 11:39:46 PM
Predators was alright as well although nothing will beat the original.
Yeah, unless one with females finally comes out. ;D
Well if AVP deadliest of the species is anything to go by, then there is no physical difference :laugh:
luckily i don't take E.U as canon, so i will wait for a film to show them.
Quote from: Edvin on Feb 10, 2012, 11:43:27 PM
i think there is more action in avp than any of the other movies.
Not really
Quote from: r888 on Feb 19, 2012, 05:35:18 AM
Quote from: Edvin on Feb 10, 2012, 11:43:27 PM
i think there is more action in avp than any of the other movies.
Not really
Agreed, in the first AVP film there were only 3 fights i think. Alien vs Celtic, Alien vs Scar and Lex, Queen vs Scar and Lex.
Aliens had some good action and while A:R wasn't the best, it too had action.
Alien and Alien 3 had the least in the alien franchise though.
Alien3 had a lot of explosions (though concentrated in one sequence) and chases.
Alien is a straight-up horror film, of course it does not have a lot of action.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Feb 19, 2012, 05:03:40 PM
Alien3 had a lot of explosions (though concentrated in one sequence) and chases.
Alien is a straight-up horror film, of course it does not have a lot of action.
It had a lot of explosions but the confrontation with alien only happens at the end.
Preceded by a lot of chases.
I'm not trying to prove Alien3 is some super-action film, of course, just that it is not a non-actioner.
I know, i only said it was one of the least action packed film of the alien franchise, obviously the first film has the least.
The second film was purposely made into an combat film as cameron didn't want rehash the original and it paid off.
I feel like I voted on this poll a long time ago, but when I went to check, it appears I hadn't voted. Oh well, I voted for AVP:R, because I felt that film had no redeeming qualities besides Wolf's appearance (with his mask on).
Quote from: The PredBen on Feb 19, 2012, 05:51:59 PM
I feel like I voted on this poll a long time ago, but when I went to check, it appears I hadn't voted. Oh well, I voted for AVP:R, because I felt that film had no redeeming qualities besides Wolf's appearance (with his mask on).
Yeah the predator's appearance and skills were vastly improved but that doesn't even shine a light on the dark mess that was AVP-R. Fox must have been crazy to trust newbies directors to a multi-million dollar/pound worth franchise that is enjoyed by many, yet again i hear its because no one take the directors seat because of how bad the scripts etc were.
I hate Alien its just boring and it wasn't scary it was just one of those boring sci-fis
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Feb 20, 2012, 07:27:17 AM
I hate Alien its just boring and it wasn't scary it was just one of those boring sci-fis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4#ws)
ADHD is one hell of a thing.
I can only imagine....
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Feb 20, 2012, 07:27:17 AM
I hate Alien its just boring and it wasn't scary it was just one of those boring sci-fis
.....
Spoiler
Wut ?
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Feb 20, 2012, 07:27:17 AM
I hate Alien its just boring and it wasn't scary it was just one of those boring sci-fis
Funniest thing I've read all day.
Wow....
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Feb 20, 2012, 07:33:10 AM
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Feb 20, 2012, 07:27:17 AM
I hate Alien its just boring and it wasn't scary it was just one of those boring sci-fis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4#ws)
Quote from: chupacabras acheronsis on Feb 20, 2012, 07:36:35 AM
ADHD is one hell of a thing.
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Feb 20, 2012, 07:41:17 AM
I can only imagine....
Quote from: fry1236 on Feb 20, 2012, 09:25:27 AM
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Feb 20, 2012, 07:27:17 AM
I hate Alien its just boring and it wasn't scary it was just one of those boring sci-fis
.....
Spoiler
Wut ?
Quote from: QuantumSheep on Feb 20, 2012, 09:42:12 AM
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Feb 20, 2012, 07:27:17 AM
I hate Alien its just boring and it wasn't scary it was just one of those boring sci-fis
Funniest thing I've read all day.
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 20, 2012, 10:55:54 AM
Wow....
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F29.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lmogb3TgRw1qhqi5ro1_500.jpg&hash=08175931e136835156d697bf7450382162114de0)
Quote from: fry1236 on Feb 20, 2012, 09:25:27 AM
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Feb 20, 2012, 07:27:17 AM
I hate Alien its just boring and it wasn't scary it was just one of those boring sci-fis
.....
Spoiler
Wut ?
Yeah i didin't like it, it had no action in it and it said that the genre was sci-fi,action,and horror, but it didin't seem like a action or horror to me.
Uhhh.... what idiot would define Alien as an Action film? :laugh:
And it is balls-to-the-wall Horror, so I don't understand the second part.
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Feb 21, 2012, 10:17:40 AM
Quote from: fry1236 on Feb 20, 2012, 09:25:27 AM
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Feb 20, 2012, 07:27:17 AM
I hate Alien its just boring and it wasn't scary it was just one of those boring sci-fis
.....
Spoiler
Wut ?
Yeah i didin't like it, it had no action in it and it said that the genre was sci-fi,action,and horror, but it didin't seem like a action or horror to me.
???
Alien was never an action film, it was a sci/fi horror movie, its the sequel that then became action oriented to avoid rehashing the first film which paid off. The rest of the films and other media are imitators.
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Feb 21, 2012, 10:17:40 AM
Yeah i didin't like it, it had no action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfcH1fxCg4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfcH1fxCg4#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRXrPl-OoA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRXrPl-OoA#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPaQfLg08c#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPaQfLg08c#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVwZcI07KE0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVwZcI07KE0#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JehjqlzXwIQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JehjqlzXwIQ#ws) (n.) A process or condition of acting or moving, as opposed to rest; the doing of something; exertion of power or force, as when one body acts on another; the effect of power exerted on one body by another; agency; activity; operation; as, the action of heat; a man of action
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Quote from: Pred-man201 on Feb 21, 2012, 10:17:40 AM
Yeah i didin't like it, it had no action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfcH1fxCg4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfcH1fxCg4#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRXrPl-OoA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRXrPl-OoA#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPaQfLg08c#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPaQfLg08c#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVwZcI07KE0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVwZcI07KE0#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JehjqlzXwIQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JehjqlzXwIQ#ws) (n.) A process or condition of acting or moving, as opposed to rest; the doing of something; exertion of power or force, as when one body acts on another; the effect of power exerted on one body by another; agency; activity; operation; as, the action of heat; a man of action
yeah no action at all... silly movie. No wonder Yaphet Kotto alledgedly calls Alien his "second best work behind The Running Man"
No wonder it is a Horror film. Sure has no Rambo in it, but it is not supposed to be an Action film -- never was.
It's like me criticizing Liar Liar because it is has no horror elements. No shit, it's a comedy!
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 21, 2012, 09:45:50 PM
Quote from: Basher917 on Feb 21, 2012, 09:16:05 PM
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Feb 21, 2012, 10:17:40 AM
Yeah i didin't like it, it had no action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfcH1fxCg4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfcH1fxCg4#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRXrPl-OoA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRXrPl-OoA#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPaQfLg08c#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPaQfLg08c#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVwZcI07KE0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVwZcI07KE0#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JehjqlzXwIQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JehjqlzXwIQ#ws) (n.) A process or condition of acting or moving, as opposed to rest; the doing of something; exertion of power or force, as when one body acts on another; the effect of power exerted on one body by another; agency; activity; operation; as, the action of heat; a man of action
yeah no action at all... silly movie. No wonder Yaphet Kotto alledgedly calls Alien his "second best work behind The Running Man"
God you kids these days are way too used to mindless action scenes...
Quote from: Nero the Jackal on Feb 21, 2012, 05:09:36 PM
Alien was never an action film, it was a sci/fi horror movie, its the sequel that then became action oriented to avoid rehashing the first film which paid off. The rest of the films and other media are imitators.
well when i searched it up it said the genre is action,sci-fi, and horror. but who cares i dont like alien and thats final, but aliens was alright.
Aliens is epic 8)
Quote from: Basher917 on Feb 21, 2012, 09:16:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfcH1fxCg4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfcH1fxCg4#)
Oh god that scene gives me the heebie jeebies.
Quote from: Basher917 on Feb 21, 2012, 09:16:05 PM
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Feb 21, 2012, 10:17:40 AM
Yeah i didin't like it, it had no action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfcH1fxCg4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfcH1fxCg4#)
That scene makes me crack up every single time :D
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 23, 2012, 02:09:06 PM
Quote from: Basher917 on Feb 21, 2012, 09:16:05 PM
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Feb 21, 2012, 10:17:40 AM
Yeah i didin't like it, it had no action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfcH1fxCg4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfcH1fxCg4#)
That scene makes me crack up every single time :D
That scene gets to me. It's just so...brutal and primal...or something that. Just, freaks me out.
Quote from: Basher917 on Feb 21, 2012, 11:26:35 PM
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Quote from: Pred-man201 on Feb 21, 2012, 10:17:40 AM
Yeah i didin't like it, it had no action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfcH1fxCg4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfcH1fxCg4#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRXrPl-OoA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRXrPl-OoA#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPaQfLg08c#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPaQfLg08c#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVwZcI07KE0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVwZcI07KE0#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JehjqlzXwIQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JehjqlzXwIQ#ws) (n.) A process or condition of acting or moving, as opposed to rest; the doing of something; exertion of power or force, as when one body acts on another; the effect of power exerted on one body by another; agency; activity; operation; as, the action of heat; a man of action
yeah no action at all... silly movie. No wonder Yaphet Kotto alledgedly calls Alien his "second best work behind The Running Man"
God you kids these days are way too used to mindless action scenes...
Mine was sarcasm! Hence the Running Man joke ;)
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 23, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
Quote from: Basher917 on Feb 21, 2012, 11:26:35 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 21, 2012, 09:45:50 PM
Quote from: Basher917 on Feb 21, 2012, 09:16:05 PM
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Feb 21, 2012, 10:17:40 AM
Yeah i didin't like it, it had no action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfcH1fxCg4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfcH1fxCg4#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRXrPl-OoA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRXrPl-OoA#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPaQfLg08c#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPaQfLg08c#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVwZcI07KE0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVwZcI07KE0#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JehjqlzXwIQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JehjqlzXwIQ#ws) (n.) A process or condition of acting or moving, as opposed to rest; the doing of something; exertion of power or force, as when one body acts on another; the effect of power exerted on one body by another; agency; activity; operation; as, the action of heat; a man of action
yeah no action at all... silly movie. No wonder Yaphet Kotto alledgedly calls Alien his "second best work behind The Running Man"
God you kids these days are way too used to mindless action scenes...
Mine was sarcasm! Hence the Running Man joke ;)
Oh, sorry about that... pretty hard to tell sarcasm over the internet.
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 23, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
Mine was sarcasm! Hence the Running Man joke ;)
I was just about to ask if youre serious. Not that I dont like The Running Man, but well, Alien is really on a different level. On the side note, there are elements of TRM that are criminally underrated, such as a great dark score and the design
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Quote from: Basher917 on Feb 21, 2012, 11:26:35 PM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 21, 2012, 09:45:50 PM
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Quote from: Pred-man201 on Feb 21, 2012, 10:17:40 AM
Yeah i didin't like it, it had no action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfcH1fxCg4# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfcH1fxCg4#)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRXrPl-OoA#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRXrPl-OoA#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPaQfLg08c#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYPaQfLg08c#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVwZcI07KE0#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVwZcI07KE0#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JehjqlzXwIQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JehjqlzXwIQ#ws) (n.) A process or condition of acting or moving, as opposed to rest; the doing of something; exertion of power or force, as when one body acts on another; the effect of power exerted on one body by another; agency; activity; operation; as, the action of heat; a man of action
yeah no action at all... silly movie. No wonder Yaphet Kotto alledgedly calls Alien his "second best work behind The Running Man"
God you kids these days are way too used to mindless action scenes...
Hey, someone's gotta demand a film like The Expendables!
Quote from: StrangeShape on Feb 24, 2012, 03:04:56 AM
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Feb 23, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
Mine was sarcasm! Hence the Running Man joke ;)
I was just about to ask if youre serious. Not that I dont like The Running Man, but well, Alien is really on a different level. On the side note, there are elements of TRM that are criminally underrated, such as a great dark score and the design
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I love The Running Man but it's like comparing The Monkees to The Beatles and yes, the design of the film is awesome, what do you expect when its based on Stephen King's work
Resurrection. Requiem wasn't great but I liked how dark and horror-like it was. Regardless, it was still a bad film. I found Resurrection to be the worst because the whole plot was irritatingly stupid, from the hybrid to cloning ripley. It screwed with the basis of the Alien universe the most. I just hated it.
i agree with all the people who hate avpr and alien resurection..those movies sucked
I can't believe some people hate the originals!
Quote from: Requiem28 on Jun 14, 2012, 01:47:45 PM
I can't believe some people hate the originals!
I know right... They are f**king masterpieces.
You'd be surprised. I found Alien quite boring the first time I saw it. It wasn't without repeated viewings that I grew to appreciate it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 14, 2012, 10:39:46 PM
You'd be surprised. I found Alien quite boring the first time I saw it. It wasn't without repeated viewings that I grew to appreciate it.
At first when I saw it, I thought it was boring. Then the Xenomorph killed Brett...
I was no longer bored.
Quote from: demonickitty on Jun 14, 2012, 04:27:00 AM
i agree with all the people who hate avpr and alien resurection..those movies sucked
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Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jun 14, 2012, 11:05:40 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 14, 2012, 10:39:46 PM
You'd be surprised. I found Alien quite boring the first time I saw it. It wasn't without repeated viewings that I grew to appreciate it.
At first when I saw it, I thought it was boring. Then the Xenomorph killed Brett...
I was no longer bored.
That didn't bore me either but even at the end of the movie, I was left wondering what all the hype was about. It wasn't until joining this site did I fully understand it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 15, 2012, 11:51:55 PM
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jun 14, 2012, 11:05:40 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jun 14, 2012, 10:39:46 PM
You'd be surprised. I found Alien quite boring the first time I saw it. It wasn't without repeated viewings that I grew to appreciate it.
At first when I saw it, I thought it was boring. Then the Xenomorph killed Brett...
I was no longer bored.
That didn't bore me either but even at the end of the movie, I was left wondering what all the hype was about. It wasn't until joining this site did I fully understand it.
I think what kept me mostly intrigued was the life cycle and that we barely saw the creature until the end.
It gave a sense of wonder.
I'm going with AVP.
Even though it's a more held together movie than AVP:R I just can't stand the designs and what they did to the both the creatures. The Xenomorphs were the ones from A:R just painted black which makes no sense and the Predators were fat, weak and stupid looking and the Queen just acted like a T-Rex.
At least in AVP:R they got the Predator right. Wolf was badass.
Don't get me wrong though they're both at the bottom of the barrel.
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Why does everyone hate AVPR? its not that bad
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Jun 18, 2012, 07:32:59 AM
Why does everyone hate AVPR? its not that bad
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Quote from: Pred-man201 on Jun 18, 2012, 07:32:59 AM
Why does everyone hate AVPR?
Have you seen it? Wait scrap that don't do it. Your eyes would melt.
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Jun 18, 2012, 07:32:59 AM
Why does everyone hate AVPR? its not that bad
You can't be serious.
Quote from: Alien³ on Jun 19, 2012, 05:08:58 PM
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Jun 18, 2012, 07:32:59 AM
Why does everyone hate AVPR?
Have you seen it? Wait scrap that don't do it. Your eyes would melt.
Heres a video of people putting AVPR in their dvd/BD player - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3KV4fLSNoU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3KV4fLSNoU#ws)
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 20, 2012, 03:06:13 AM
Quote from: Alien³ on Jun 19, 2012, 05:08:58 PM
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Jun 18, 2012, 07:32:59 AM
Why does everyone hate AVPR?
Have you seen it? Wait scrap that don't do it. Your eyes would melt.
Heres a video of people putting AVPR in their dvd/BD player - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3KV4fLSNoU#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3KV4fLSNoU#ws)
Yep, that was pretty much my reaction.
How can someone hate 'Alien' and consider 'AVPR' to not be bad?
Opinion would be the first reason, I'd imagine.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Jun 20, 2012, 08:19:23 PM
Opinion would be the first reason, I'd imagine.
And a pretty bad opinion.
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Jun 20, 2012, 02:46:27 PM
How can someone hate 'Alien' and consider 'AVPR' to not be bad?
Wow, that's like hating Bob Dylan but not minding Justin Bieber
It's entirely possible.
I didnt say i jate alien, alien is better but avpr isnt the worsest movie i habe seen it wasnt bad and it wasnt good it was alright
When are we going to slap Prometheus up there?
It wasn't a bad movie, but neither are a lot of those up there.
F**k! I missed and vote for Predator. Bad mistake, it's one of the best movies of all time.
I hate AVP, AVP:R, Alien: Ressurection, Predator 2 and Predators.
Predator 2? :o
Quote from: Nix Evil on Jun 25, 2012, 02:23:58 PM
F**k! I missed and vote for Predator. Bad mistake, it's one of the best movies of all time.
I hate AVP, AVP:R, Alien: Ressurection, Predator 2 and Predators.
Classic AVP fans, hating all alien, predator, and AVP movies.
oh yeah, and i am kind of back... again... maybe... ;)
At least Nix Evil didn't say he didn't like Predator, Alien, Aliens and Alien 3. They are gems. Gems to me.
i found predator 2 to be kinda lame
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Jun 26, 2012, 05:09:33 PM
At least Nix Evil didn't say he didn't like Predator, Alien, Aliens and Alien 3. They are gems. Gems to me.
even Alien 3? the poop-filtered mess?
Quote from: Edvin on Jun 26, 2012, 08:19:18 PM
Quote from: JokerJohn35 on Jun 26, 2012, 05:09:33 PM
At least Nix Evil didn't say he didn't like Predator, Alien, Aliens and Alien 3. They are gems. Gems to me.
even Alien 3? the poop-filtered mess?
Alien 3 despite Fox's best efforts to f**k it up, is a freaking work of art (dodgy rod puppet effects aside)
even with the horrible plot and the awful pacing?
Have you seen the Directors Cut?
yup, it was defineatley better, but i still believ it is by far the weakest of the Alien franchise.
I believe that helm goes to Resurrection. Alien³ has flaws but it is a great film, it brings Ripley full circle. Hicks and Newt's deaths were a kick in the balls but it sets the tone of the movie.
Quote from: Edvin on Jun 26, 2012, 09:04:19 PM
yup, it was defineatley better, but i still believ it is by far the weakest of the Alien franchise.
Weaker than Resurrection, what was essentially a spoof of the Alien movies, not to mention of the four the weakest script, worst creature design and a guy taking out a piece of his brain and looking at it?
Oh yeah and Winona Ryder
Heeeey, look, another debate on opinions. How exciting.
resurrection is in my opinion a greqat movie... of course except for Winona Ryder. ;)
Ron Pearlman is awesome no matter what he does. I think my main issue is the cloning of Ripley, Alien 3 is my personal favourite and for me ended Ripley's journey and to bring her back was cheapening.
Quote from: Novak 1334 on Jun 27, 2012, 05:38:53 PM
Ron Pearlman is awesome no matter what he does. I think my main issue is the cloning of Ripley, Alien 3 is my personal favourite and for me ended Ripley's journey and to bring her back was cheapening.
Welcome to the club.
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Glad to see that AVP:R is still rock bottom on here in terms of votes. :D
Can Prometheus be added here? I don't think it's the worst but others might
Quote from: Xenokiller on Jun 28, 2012, 08:17:20 PM
Can Prometheus be added here? I don't think it's the worst but others might
No point in adding it since votes can't be take back/changed. It would probably be best to remake this thread (as well as the favorite movie thread).
Might as well add it, some people seem to genuienly hate it.
Can't allow folks to change their votes for some reason.
Message one of the boards moderators. They could help you out.
It's still AvP-R for me, by a long shot.
Who the hell said Alien and Aliens?
I like giving people their opinions, but if you have an ounce of taste, you can't possibly say those two are your LEAST favorite out of ALL those options.
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jul 15, 2012, 03:03:02 PM
Who the hell said Alien and Aliens?
I like giving people their opinions, but if you have an ounce of taste, you can't possibly say those two are your LEAST favorite out of ALL those options.
maybe it was the only movie in the series they saw and they didn't like it. :)
Quote from: delsaber8 on Jul 16, 2012, 12:43:25 AM
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jul 15, 2012, 03:03:02 PM
Who the hell said Alien and Aliens?
I like giving people their opinions, but if you have an ounce of taste, you can't possibly say those two are your LEAST favorite out of ALL those options.
maybe it was the only movie in the series they saw and they didn't like it. :)
Possibly... Hm.
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jul 16, 2012, 12:59:32 AM
Quote from: delsaber8 on Jul 16, 2012, 12:43:25 AM
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jul 15, 2012, 03:03:02 PM
Who the hell said Alien and Aliens?
I like giving people their opinions, but if you have an ounce of taste, you can't possibly say those two are your LEAST favorite out of ALL those options.
maybe it was the only movie in the series they saw and they didn't like it. :)
Possibly... Hm.
But then again, why would they join this forum if the only movie in the series they've seen, they hated. Maybe their finger(s) slipped.
Quote from: delsaber8 on Jul 16, 2012, 01:04:49 AM
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jul 16, 2012, 12:59:32 AM
Quote from: delsaber8 on Jul 16, 2012, 12:43:25 AM
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jul 15, 2012, 03:03:02 PM
Who the hell said Alien and Aliens?
I like giving people their opinions, but if you have an ounce of taste, you can't possibly say those two are your LEAST favorite out of ALL those options.
maybe it was the only movie in the series they saw and they didn't like it. :)
Possibly... Hm.
But then again, why would they join this forum if the only movie in the series they've seen, they hated. Maybe their finger(s) slipped.
Or they decided to troll and see fans rage. :P
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jul 16, 2012, 01:06:58 AM
Quote from: delsaber8 on Jul 16, 2012, 01:04:49 AM
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jul 16, 2012, 12:59:32 AM
Quote from: delsaber8 on Jul 16, 2012, 12:43:25 AM
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jul 15, 2012, 03:03:02 PM
Who the hell said Alien and Aliens?
I like giving people their opinions, but if you have an ounce of taste, you can't possibly say those two are your LEAST favorite out of ALL those options.
maybe it was the only movie in the series they saw and they didn't like it. :)
Possibly... Hm.
But then again, why would they join this forum if the only movie in the series they've seen, they hated. Maybe their finger(s) slipped.
Or they decided to troll and see fans rage. :P
damn trolls >:(
AVP-R, that was movie cancer
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jul 15, 2012, 03:03:02 PM
Who the hell said Alien and Aliens?
I like giving people their opinions, but if you have an ounce of taste, you can't possibly say those two are your LEAST favorite out of ALL those options.
Yes you can. Opinions vary, in case you were wondering. I know the first time I ever saw Alien, I didn't think much of it.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 16, 2012, 03:42:47 AM
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jul 15, 2012, 03:03:02 PM
Who the hell said Alien and Aliens?
I like giving people their opinions, but if you have an ounce of taste, you can't possibly say those two are your LEAST favorite out of ALL those options.
Yes you can. Opinions vary, in case you were wondering. I know the first time I ever saw Alien, I didn't think much of it.
I know opinions vary, it's just that to say alien or aliens is not as well-written as the others is shocking to me.
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jul 16, 2012, 03:45:07 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 16, 2012, 03:42:47 AM
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jul 15, 2012, 03:03:02 PM
Who the hell said Alien and Aliens?
I like giving people their opinions, but if you have an ounce of taste, you can't possibly say those two are your LEAST favorite out of ALL those options.
Yes you can. Opinions vary, in case you were wondering. I know the first time I ever saw Alien, I didn't think much of it.
I know opinions vary, it's just that to say alien or aliens is not as well-written as the others is shocking to me.
I know who voted Alien now :D
Quote from: delsaber8 on Jul 16, 2012, 03:59:58 AM
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jul 16, 2012, 03:45:07 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 16, 2012, 03:42:47 AM
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jul 15, 2012, 03:03:02 PM
Who the hell said Alien and Aliens?
I like giving people their opinions, but if you have an ounce of taste, you can't possibly say those two are your LEAST favorite out of ALL those options.
Yes you can. Opinions vary, in case you were wondering. I know the first time I ever saw Alien, I didn't think much of it.
I know opinions vary, it's just that to say alien or aliens is not as well-written as the others is shocking to me.
I know who voted Alien now :D
Who??
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jul 16, 2012, 04:10:27 AM
Quote from: delsaber8 on Jul 16, 2012, 03:59:58 AM
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jul 16, 2012, 03:45:07 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 16, 2012, 03:42:47 AM
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Jul 15, 2012, 03:03:02 PM
Who the hell said Alien and Aliens?
I like giving people their opinions, but if you have an ounce of taste, you can't possibly say those two are your LEAST favorite out of ALL those options.
Yes you can. Opinions vary, in case you were wondering. I know the first time I ever saw Alien, I didn't think much of it.
I know opinions vary, it's just that to say alien or aliens is not as well-written as the others is shocking to me.
I know who voted Alien now :D
Who??
"Whispers" DoomRulz
Definitely wasn't me, I joined this site AFTER I liked it :P
Quote from: DoomRulz on Jul 16, 2012, 09:32:58 PM
Definitely wasn't me, I joined this site AFTER I liked it :P
Hmm, I see, so the mystery remains unsolved.
I am laughing so hard how Prometheus has zero votes in when it's probably the only film so far that has made all of us mad at each other.
Keep in mind that this is an old poll, and that you're unable to retract your vote.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 17, 2012, 03:33:41 AM
Keep in mind that this is an old poll, and that you're unable to retract your vote.
Oh, whoops.
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 17, 2012, 03:12:20 AM
I am laughing so hard how Prometheus has zero votes in when it's probably the only film so far that has made all of us mad at each other.
It's certainly not the worst film by far, just a love or hate movie I think
Quote from: ShadowPred on Jul 17, 2012, 03:12:20 AM
I am laughing so hard how Prometheus has zero votes in when it's probably the only film so far that has made all of us mad at each other.
That's because it's not the movie that made us mad, it's the fanboys.
i want to change mine from avp:R to prometheus, it just doesent fity in with any of the other movies, it is really great, but if you show it as a prequel to alien, it f**ks with your mind.
Why does everyone hate AVPR, its not that bad, its not great and its not bad, but its alright, its alot better then alien 4, but the best is predator then alien 2
AvP! So little action.. and preds got destroyed. If I wanted a documentary on Pyramids.. I'll watch the Discovery channel. I enjoyed AVP Requiem alot more. I wanted to see cockroaches get squashed, blasted and sliced up by a good pred =)
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Jul 28, 2012, 03:42:25 AM
Why does everyone hate AVPR, its not that bad, its not great and its not bad, but its alright, its alot better then alien 4, but the best is predator then alien 2
Personally, I prefer
Alien Resurrection. While its not exactly the best movie out there and it has a lot of moments that I don't like, it does also offer a lot of unique and interesting aspects (the cloning concept and the Newborn being among the films highlights). I think Ripley would have been better off dead after the third film, but AR isn't garbage.
Despite only seeing it once and finding moderate enjoyment out of it, AVPR is not really a well made movie, nor does it have any characters or situations that stuck with me in any way. This film was dark for no reason, the Predalien was beyond ridiculous, and the film featured Aliens on present day Earth but unable to infest even a small city. The movie just didn't sit well with me at all.
Resurrection may be a weird film with a lot of problems, but AVPR is the only A/P movie that I would actually consider to be bad.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jul 28, 2012, 03:58:36 AM
Quote from: Pred-man201 on Jul 28, 2012, 03:42:25 AM
Why does everyone hate AVPR, its not that bad, its not great and its not bad, but its alright, its alot better then alien 4, but the best is predator then alien 2
Personally, I prefer Alien Resurrection. While its not exactly the best movie out there and it has a lot of moments that I don't like, it does also offer a lot of unique and interesting aspects (the cloning concept and the Newborn being among the films highlights). I think Ripley would have been better off dead after the third film, but AR isn't garbage.
Despite only seeing it once and finding moderate enjoyment out of it, AVPR is not really a well made movie, nor does it have any characters or situations that stuck with me in any way. This film was dark for no reason, the Predalien was beyond ridiculous, and the film featured Aliens on present day Earth but unable to infest even a small city. The movie just didn't sit well with me at all.
Resurrection may be a weird film with a lot of problems, but AVPR is the only A/P movie that I would actually consider to be bad.
Ripley's main fear is that the xenos get to earth and kill everybody, and AVPR basically says, the Aliens get to earth and start harvesting and killing people, no biggy the aliens won't try to spread to other cities, they'll hang around, be useless and get used as canon fodder. Nothing to worry about. It makes all the struggles Ripley went through seem pointless, because if the Aliens ever did get to earth they couldn't do squat. At least that is how I feel about AVPR.
Quote from: AcidGlow on Jul 28, 2012, 03:57:44 AM
AvP! So little action.. and preds got destroyed. If I wanted a documentary on Pyramids.. I'll watch the Discovery channel. I enjoyed AVP Requiem alot more. I wanted to see cockroaches get squashed, blasted and sliced up by a good pred =)
I loved watching the preds become nothing but brain pie to an alien. ;D
Quote from: AcidGlow on Jul 28, 2012, 03:57:44 AM
AvP! So little action.. and preds got destroyed. If I wanted a documentary on Pyramids.. I'll watch the Discovery channel. I enjoyed AVP Requiem alot more. I wanted to see cockroaches get squashed, blasted and sliced up by a good pred =)
I agree, the Predators were poorly treated in AvP. It was good to see the Predators kick ass in AvPR. I still prefer AvP over AvPR though.
Quote from: Vecrotus on Aug 06, 2012, 02:14:47 PM
Quote from: AcidGlow on Jul 28, 2012, 03:57:44 AM
AvP! So little action.. and preds got destroyed. If I wanted a documentary on Pyramids.. I'll watch the Discovery channel. I enjoyed AVP Requiem alot more. I wanted to see cockroaches get squashed, blasted and sliced up by a good pred =)
I agree, the Predators were poorly treated in AvP. It was good to see the Predators kick ass in AvPR. I still prefer AvP over AvPR though.
But both films featured the main Predator (Scar, Wolf) "kicking ass". Only difference is that the Aliens that Scar killed were actually portrayed as a legitimate threat. And I have to say, Celtic and Chopper, despite having quick deaths, were treated a lot better that the Predators at the beginning of AVPR.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 06, 2012, 02:32:08 PM
Quote from: Vecrotus on Aug 06, 2012, 02:14:47 PM
Quote from: AcidGlow on Jul 28, 2012, 03:57:44 AM
AvP! So little action.. and preds got destroyed. If I wanted a documentary on Pyramids.. I'll watch the Discovery channel. I enjoyed AVP Requiem alot more. I wanted to see cockroaches get squashed, blasted and sliced up by a good pred =)
I agree, the Predators were poorly treated in AvP. It was good to see the Predators kick ass in AvPR. I still prefer AvP over AvPR though.
But both films featured the main Predator (Scar, Wolf) "kicking ass". Only difference is that the Aliens that Scar killed were actually portrayed as a legitimate threat. And I have to say, Celtic and Chopper, despite having quick deaths, were treated a lot better that the Predators at the beginning of AVPR.
Scar only kicked ass in two brief scenes. The first time is when he sliced the head of the alien that was sneaking up on him with his shuriken, and second was when he finally got his plasma caster. The rest of time Scar either got his ass kicked or had help from Lex.
As for the Predators at the start of AvPR, they were totally unprepared for combat unlike Celtic and Chopper. It was completely understandable that they would be beaten so easily. Plus what beat those Predators was a PredAlien; a much bigger and more powerful threat than a regular Alien.
Eh, I'm not exactly fond of the idea of a Predalien being so much "bigger and more of a threat", personally. It is just another Alien (a species that is already very strong an intimidating) that just happens to have been spawned from a different host.
And, about Scar, sure he had help at some points, but during his scenes alone and the scenes where he required aid, he was at least smart in how he took the Aliens on. Not once did he, say, grab two Aliens by the throat; that would have surely ended in his death (one of them would have been bound to stab him with the tail). That kind of stuff worked for Wolf only because the writing allowed it to.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 06, 2012, 02:44:34 PM
Eh, I'm not exactly fond of the idea of a Predalien being so much "bigger and more of a threat", personally. It is just another Alien (a species that is already very strong an intimidating) that just happens to have been spawned from a different host.
And, about Scar, sure he had help at some points, but during his scenes alone and the scenes where he required aid, he was at least smart in how he took the Aliens on. Not once did he, say, grab two Aliens by the throat; that would have surely ended in his death (one of them would have been bound to stab him with the tail). That kind of stuff worked for Wolf only because the writing allowed it to.
I do agree that AvPR showed the Predators dominance over the aliens in some stupid ways but I thought that the direction that they were going in was much better suited to the concept of Aliens versus Predator. The Predator should be the better fighter.
Depends on the situation, really. The Predator may have better strategy and tactics, but in a one-on-one fight, I'd put my money on the Alien. Both monsters are extremely well adept at using their surroundings to their advantage, and the Predator could certainly win battle from afar, but once the Aliens have a little bit of time to settle in, I'd say its game over Predators.
That's why I really loved Ripley's quest to stop the Aliens from reaching Earth and falling into the hands of Weyland Yutani, and I loved the whole "they must not reach the surface" theme in AVP. Even when properly contained, the Aliens really are a force to be reckoned with (as demonstrated in Alien Resurrection, Alien vs Predator, and even Prometheus when the Aliens (or, in Prometheus' case, creatures that "share Alien DNA" [literally or otherwise] break loose). AVPR broke that whole motif that had run strong in every Alien related film released before and after it; AVPR had Aliens on the surface (in a modern day town, even), and quite frankly, they sat around and did nothing.
They infected a hospital and made the sewers their home. I wouldn't exactly call that nothing.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 06, 2012, 09:09:12 PM
They infected a hospital and made the sewers their home. I wouldn't exactly call that nothing.
Compared to what they could have done, like spread down the countryside and infest other nearby cities. Nope they hang around and die as canon fodder for wolf, or pizza delivery boys. The scene that makes me cringe (I believe it's in the extended cut or something) where the alien in the pool is crouched there head biting that dead guy, only to have wolf come behind him and stab him through the head with the spear. He doesn't "eat" the dead human, hidden away somewhere, the way Kane's son, carries his victims off into the air shafts and vents. Nope, the xeno sits there in plain sight and doesn't notice wolf who precedes to kill him.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 06, 2012, 09:09:12 PM
They infected a hospital and made the sewers their home. I wouldn't exactly call that nothing.
The way the past five films played it up, one would expect an Alien hive on Earth to do a lot more than hang out in sewers and attack a hospital. I mean, it took less Aliens than that to wipe out a ship with armed soldiers in
Alien Resurrection, and even the flashback scene in AVP showed us just how bad it would be if the creatures reached the surafce again. One would expect that, with all the potential hosts available on Earth (in a town, nontheless), they would spread like wildfire. Especially with access to such tactics as eggbarfing.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 07, 2012, 02:42:52 AM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Aug 06, 2012, 09:09:12 PM
They infected a hospital and made the sewers their home. I wouldn't exactly call that nothing.
The way the past five films played it up, one would expect an Alien hive on Earth to do a lot more than hang out in sewers and attack a hospital. I mean, it took less Aliens than that to wipe out a ship with armed soldiers in Alien Resurrection, and even the flashback scene in AVP showed us just how bad it would be if the creatures reached the surafce again. One would expect that, with all the potential hosts available on Earth (in a town, nontheless), they would spread like wildfire. Especially with access to such tactics as eggbarfing.
But the aliens in Alien Resurrection were not regular aliens; they had been genetically modified with increased intelligence. As great as the flashback was in AvP, it wasn't true because it wasn't really a flashback, it was an exaggerated interpretation of an event that may have happened perhaps only once.
Quote from: Vecrotus on Aug 07, 2012, 08:48:51 AM
But the aliens in Alien Resurrection were not regular aliens; they had been genetically modified with increased intelligence.
Because cutting the power of a specific section of a colony is oh so really stupid.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 07, 2012, 10:47:58 AM
Quote from: Vecrotus on Aug 07, 2012, 08:48:51 AM
But the aliens in Alien Resurrection were not regular aliens; they had been genetically modified with increased intelligence.
Because cutting the power of a specific section of a colony is oh so really stupid.
I never said the regular aliens were stupid, I said that the aliens from Alien: Resurrection were abnormally intelligent.
Compared to some of the things that the aliens in Alien: Resurrection did, such as killing one of their own to burn the floor to their cages, what the aliens in Aliens did by cutting of the power to one section of a colony is simple especially when you take other factors into consideration. The intelligence of the aliens from Alien: Resurrection is even more heightened when you take into account that they had only been alive for a few days maybe a week before they escaped whereas the aliens in Aliens had been alive for longer period of time. They had plenty of time to learn and understand their environment. On top of that, the aliens in Aliens were being directed by a Queen. The aliens in Alien: Resurrection were working on their own onscreen, at least until they escaped.
Are you saying that the Aliens in AR had heightened intelligence because their DNA is mixed with that of humans? Because I never really understood that to be the case. They were as smart and cunning as all of the Aliens we saw before them. And I wouldn't say that having a Queen around to direct them makes them any more or less smart. In all four Alien films and in AVP they remained fairly consistent in that regard.
Oh, and about the flashback, whether its actually something that happened once or made up for purposes of explaining the importance of keeping the Aliens off the surface, that really doesn't matter. Either way, its an accurate portrayal of what would happen if the Aliens ever broke loose and weren't cleaned up in time. I mean, in Aliens the hive took out all of Hadley's Hope (minus one little girl who was hiding) in a very short period of time. And in Alien, Alien 3, and Alien Resurrection, despite the fact that they weren't really working towards making a hive, it took far less Aliens to bring the population of the facilities they inhabited down to almost nothing. One would think that, on Earth with all of those potential hosts (human or otherwise) the Aliens would take over a good portion of the land at least. To make matters worse, Chet was supposedly a Queen, and she could "eggbarf"...but instead the Aliens chose to hang around in the sewers.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 07, 2012, 02:48:58 PM
Are you saying that the Aliens in AR had heightened intelligence because their DNA is mixed with that of humans? Because I never really understood that to be the case. They were as smart and cunning as all of the Aliens we saw before them. And I wouldn't say that having a Queen around to direct them makes them any more or less smart. In all four Alien films and in AVP they remained fairly consistent in that regard.
Yes, I am saying that the Aliens in AR had heightened intelligence because their DNA was mixed with that of humans. The aliens could have genetically inherited the memories of Ripley, thereby allowing them to think more like humans.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 07, 2012, 02:48:58 PM
Oh, and about the flashback, whether its actually something that happened once or made up for purposes of explaining the importance of keeping the Aliens off the surface, that really doesn't matter. Either way, its an accurate portrayal of what would happen if the Aliens ever broke loose and weren't cleaned up in time. I mean, in Aliens the hive took out all of Hadley's Hope (minus one little girl who was hiding) in a very short period of time. And in Alien, Alien 3, and Alien Resurrection, despite the fact that they weren't really working towards making a hive, it took far less Aliens to bring the population of the facilities they inhabited down to almost nothing. One would think that, on Earth with all of those potential hosts (human or otherwise) the Aliens would take over a good portion of the land at least. To make matters worse, Chet was supposedly a Queen, and she could "eggbarf"...but instead the Aliens chose to hang around in the sewers.
Like you said Chet was a Queen, and if that is the case, then perhaps the aliens chose to hang around in the sewers until Chet either matured into a fully grown PredQueen or until the number of aliens in Chet's hive had grown to effective numbers.
Quote from: Vecrotus on Aug 07, 2012, 09:00:24 PM
Like you said Chet was a Queen, and if that is the case, then perhaps the aliens chose to hang around in the sewers until Chet either matured into a fully grown PredQueen or until the number of aliens in Chet's hive had grown to effective numbers.
In which case, why would Chet put herself in danger by going to the hospital? She should have hung around in the sewers with what Aliens she had until she matured, and could have sent them out to retrieve hosts to bring to her, like the Aliens have been doing since we were first introduced to the hive in
Aliens. In
Aliens and AVP, the Queen only became a physical threat once her hive was destroyed. In AVPR, she put herself in harms way before really giving the hive a chance.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 07, 2012, 09:04:56 PM
Quote from: Vecrotus on Aug 07, 2012, 09:00:24 PM
Like you said Chet was a Queen, and if that is the case, then perhaps the aliens chose to hang around in the sewers until Chet either matured into a fully grown PredQueen or until the number of aliens in Chet's hive had grown to effective numbers.
In which case, why would Chet put herself in danger by going to the hospital? She should have hung around in the sewers with what Aliens she had until she matured, and could have sent them out to retrieve hosts to bring to her, like the Aliens have been doing since we were first introduced to the hive in Aliens. In Aliens and AVP, the Queen only became a physical threat once her hive was destroyed. In AVPR, she put herself in harms way before really giving the hive a chance.
Chet had no choice. Wolf had invaded her home, killed most of her guard, and turned her place inside out. Like you said in an earlier post, the aliens are smart and cunning, so the smart thing to do would be to leave, because even if Chet and the remaining aliens managed to kill Wolf, they would be still at risk.
OK, there might be a bit of logic there, but that still doesn't explain why the Aliens were unable to simply stab Wolf with their tail when he had the two of them by the neck. Or why Wolf would be stupid enough to pick them up by the neck in the first place. Or why the acid only worked when the scene called for it.
Can we change votes now? My opinion has changed in the past few years since I posted in this thread.
I think we should archive this thread and reboot the poll completely.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 08, 2012, 05:32:50 AM
I think we should archive this thread and reboot the poll completely.
This, definitely. And the 'favorite movie' thread as well.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 08, 2012, 05:37:07 AM
This, definitely. And the 'favorite movie' thread as well.
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You got that right!
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Way to go dude!
I am still amazed that someone voted for ALien and Aliens. Whoah.. what an asshole.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 08, 2012, 02:32:33 AM
OK, there might be a bit of logic there, but that still doesn't explain why the Aliens were unable to simply stab Wolf with their tail when he had the two of them by the neck. Or why Wolf would be stupid enough to pick them up by the neck in the first place. Or why the acid only worked when the scene called for it.
That's what happens when Fox hires a couple of inexperienced directors who happen to be Predator fans, give the movie a low budget and an even lower shooting time. That's was purely on part of the filmmakers and studio.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Aug 08, 2012, 05:37:07 AM
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Aug 08, 2012, 05:32:50 AM
I think we should archive this thread and reboot the poll completely.
This, definitely. And the 'favorite movie' thread as well.
I agree. This thread in particular needs a definite reboot, especially with the recent releases of Predators and Prometheus.
I think we should reboot this and the favourite film thread because my opinion has changed and also with the release of Prometheus and Predators.
Quote from: WinterActual on Aug 08, 2012, 11:14:54 AM
I am still amazed that someone voted for ALien and Aliens. Whoah.. what an asshole.
It's there opinon. Does it really matter? :-\
Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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For some weird reason that picture of that kid is super aggravating. When I saw it I wanted to punch my computer scene.
AVPR is the worst film
I voted AVP:R cuz...well you've probably already read all the countless reasons, but when I submitted my vote I was like "damn! a lot of people don't like AVP:R :p
I'm not surprised.
AT ALL.
I'd have to say RESURRECTION. It sort of ruined the future storyline of any potential alien sequels. It did allow us to get prometheus, but still.. Wow..
Jean piere jeunet was the absolute wrong director for part 4 IMO
Reasons for the dislike..mostly and mine.
AvP: Disappointed the most no. of fans in a no. of ways... being the first movie . (I Loved the premise and Hated the fight Scenes)
AvPR: By this time not many people had recovered from avp and had little faith including the Bros. Themselves . (I loved the Pred and nothing more)
Predators: Was too Predictable..(I Followed the movie way too much before release to be surprised in any way)
Prometheus: People expected another "Alien" and were denied ...also the most detached movie in the series.( I loved the sci fi part of the movie the most.)
Almost voted AvP, ended up going with AvP:R. In the end, they're both awful films and are easily worse than any of the other films by a mile.
AvP was full of sloppy editing, poor acting, bad cg, and weak direction. Not to mention it was knee-capped by a pg-13 rating. Avp:R Had the R rating, but that's it. The now infamous lighting (a shame, as some of the effects look good), cheesy acting and horrendous editing during combat. Both failed to delivar much in the way of actual fighting between the species, instead focusing on forced romance sub-plots and boring human protagonists. Complete wastes.
Oh, and does anybody else hate the Xenomorph design in AvP? I felt it was too meaty...
AVPR is the least well made but I also dislike AVP, Alien 3, Predators and Prometheus. I find myself liking Resurrection for some reason though.
Quote from: Gilfryd on Dec 03, 2012, 12:16:08 AM
AVPR is the least well made but I also dislike AVP, Alien 3, Predators and Prometheus. I find myself liking Resurrection for some reason though.
You like Ressurection more than 3?!
NOOOOOOOOO
Quote from: Xenoscript on Dec 02, 2012, 03:21:05 AM
Oh, and does anybody else hate the Xenomorph design in AvP? I felt it was too meaty...
Same ones that were used for Resurrection, in case you were wondering.
With beefier hands, humanoid legs and jet-black color scheme with minor silver highlights.
Quote from: Sinister Serenity on Dec 30, 2012, 09:57:04 PMYou like Ressurection more than 3?!
NOOOOOOOOO
Even in a guilty pleasure so bad it's good sorta way?
cant believe anyone would vote for Alien and Aliens
Huh.
I guess it's not too shocking that AvP:R got the most votes... but did you guys notice that those awkward, hard to watch SOLO predator movies are up on the board? Including the one where cops use machineguns or whatever the f**k? I mean, yeah, I get it, AvP:R isn't very good and all that, the characters feel like when you're watching a Harryhausen movie as a kid and you just want to fast foward all the terribly acted talking scenes, but you DO know that Predator 2 has NO aliens in it, right?
Like, here's an analogy. I'm a huge G-Fan, but I can't stand Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla at all. It's just awful. But of course I'd rather watch that over the 1998 Zilla movie. GvsSG might suck, but at least Godzilla is in it, right?
It's a weird combination of not surprised but also still a little surprised.
both of the APVs were pretty lame, but they did provide some footage for the larger APV complex.
The people that voted for PREDATOR, ALIEN and ALIENS need to be hunted down by a pack of psychotic Rhino's who will cover them from head to toe in jizz for three hours straight. And when it's over, we will steal their shoes.
Quote from: samoht on Jan 06, 2013, 11:58:12 AM
The people that voted for PREDATOR, ALIEN and ALIENS need to be hunted down by a pack of psychotic Rhino's who will cover them from head to toe in jizz for three hours straight. And when it's over, we will steal their shoes.
That's going in the famous quotes thread. :D
lol i voted AvP Requiem. That movie was so damn dark i couldn't see a thing that was going on!
Alien 3. I already ranted about how much I hated it in my favorites post lol :laugh: I could see how most people chose AVPR. But with me Alien 3 was an unexpected dreadful disappointment. With AVPR I had some hopes but didn't really feel as surprised when the end result was another disappointment. I still don't get how a Predator and Predalien show more character and personality than the actual human characters. Thats so bad I can't help but crack up. Lol :laugh:
I put "Alien" and im being honest it was boring wasent scary i could careless when characters died. Dont get me wrong great story just not for me.
Don't need to apologize. I thought it was boring the first time I watched it too.
Quote from: ScarPredator14 on Jan 16, 2013, 07:03:49 AM
I put "Alien" and im being honest it was boring wasent scary i could careless when characters died. Dont get me wrong great story just not for me.
Was it the talking scenes because I thought those were boring too even though it's my favorite movie of the bunch?
I love all of the dialogue scenes, personally. Felt very natural and realistic to me.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 16, 2013, 05:02:44 PM
I love all of the dialogue scenes, personally. Felt very natural and realistic to me.
Oh don't get me wrong they're very realistic but for some reason they just didn't do it for me. Maybe it was because the first time I watched was at 2 am and I was too tired to care.
Alien 3 I fell in love the first time I saw it, and even tho I was such a huge fan of it, I havent seen the first two untill three years later. Why? I liked not knowing whats going on , not knowing the story that happened before, like the prisoners. I liked that idea of Sulaco being this Marie Celeste kind of ship, that I didnt know, didnt know what it encountered, didnt know what happened to it and didnt know who those people that died in the crash were. That made the movie and story even creepier for me. But when I eventually did watch the first two 3 years later in '96, the very first time, I liked them, but wasnt that thrilled. They also seemed dragging for me since in both Alien and Aliens the buildup is very long and thorough, unlike in most other movies. I cant say I found them boring, but at first I did feel like theyre both, especially Aliens , are taking too much time without anything going on. Of course today I feel that sort of structure that Alien and Aliens have is absolutely brilliant and brings you into this world even more with building tension and hypersensitive atmosphere throughout entire movie towards a double heart stopping climax, but at first, just as some, I also found it a little off putting
I think of it like the lord of the rings trilogy, like the first one had a good story but the most boring.out of all the movies, I just find alien wasent the one for me I could never rewatch it because I would totally get bored or fall asleep.
Huh, I'm the exact opposite. Alien is the one I've seen the most :D
And as for LotR, I find it hard to even look at them as individual movies. To me, they are just one big film with a great story and exciting action sequences.
I didnt watch alien movies in order. Believe it or not alien was the last one I watched lol and I know enough to know what was going on through the movies tho. And I get what you were saying about lotr but if you were to break them down the first one to me was the most boring.
Quote from: ScarPredator14 on Jan 16, 2013, 09:14:03 PM
I didnt watch alien movies in order. Believe it or not alien was the last one I watched lol and I know enough to know what was going on through the movies tho. And I get what you were saying about lotr but if you were to break them down the first one to me was the most boring.
I remember few guys saying they were disappointed with how weak Aliens were in Aliens because they watched that movie by last order. Just looking at how agile and strong they are portrayed in Alien 1,3,4, that must be shocking. Honestly, harpoon hooking up Alien in Alien 1 should be enough hint that they are not totally invincible.
As for topic, AVP-R no question. AVP movies are like guilty pleasure. Certain parts are my liking, but my mind knows that as movies, they fail horribly. The only thing Fox did right regarding the franchise is when they persuaded Riddly Scott about Alien 1 ending.
Alien killing Ripley and speaking like a human totally kills their nature... it is so unfitting. It could've been one of the worst endings in cinema history.
Definitely AVP:R for me. I'm a big defender of every other movie on the list, but AVP:R is just... the worst. I can't stand the idea that they'd set an Alien film in a high-school setting. If Ridley Scott was dead, he'd be rolling in his grave. The creature effects were decent, but everything else was crap.
I think AVPR was ok. I really wasn't that bad. I haven't seen any Alien movies. I haven't seen Prometheus either but i seen some of their characters and they look bad.
Look man, no offense, but...you're on Alien and Predator fansite and you haven't seen any of the Alien films??
GET ON IT :P
Yea, get on it.
I saw all the Alien and Predator movies before I even knew AvP existed.
Quote from: BigBlue_Predator on Feb 11, 2013, 04:51:18 AM
I haven't seen any Alien movies.
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Wait a goddamn minute here, AVPR is an alien movie, isn't it? :laugh:
Quote from: whiterabbit on Feb 11, 2013, 02:33:56 PM
Wait a goddamn minute here, AVPR is an alien movie, isn't it? :laugh:
Well, it has Aliens in it. But personally I keep the Alien (+Prometheus), Predator, and AVP films separate.
Same.
Although personally, I wouldn't deign to call those... abominations from the Dark Film an Alien.
I barely even remember AVPR. Haven't seen it since 2010.
Same goes for the two Predator sequels (not that I disliked them, I just haven't seen them since Predators' theatrical release).
I didn't much care for Predators, but Predator 2 has always been a helluva lotta fun to me. Seen it two or three times, and enjoyed every minute of it.
I'll give those a purchase eventually. Its actually been quite a while since I've seen the first one in its entirety as well.
Maybe I'll have a Predator Trilogy marathon one of these days.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Feb 11, 2013, 03:20:20 PM
I didn't much care for Predators, but Predator 2 has always been a helluva lotta fun to me. Seen it two or three times, and enjoyed every minute of it.
Predator 2 has Gary Busey in it, what's not to love?
I wanna see it again for Adam Baldwin. Last time I saw it I had no clue who he was and I don't remember his part in the film at all.
Same happened with Independence Day, actually. I had no idea he was in it until recently.
Prometheus for me.
Shocked that Alien has any votes at all, best of the bunch! :-\
Quote from: Elicas on Feb 14, 2013, 02:59:43 PM
Prometheus for me.
Shocked that Alien has any votes at all, best of the bunch! :-\
Worse than AvP Requiem, Resurrection, and Predators?
Quote from: Cal427eb on Feb 14, 2013, 04:51:12 PM
Quote from: Elicas on Feb 14, 2013, 02:59:43 PM
Prometheus for me.
Shocked that Alien has any votes at all, best of the bunch! :-\
Worse than AvP Requiem, Resurrection, and Predators?
Yes. Walked out of the cinema, first and (so far) only time I've ever done that. I'd rather be strapped to a chair and force fed A:CM then watch Prometheus again.
I'm not to sure about that....
Prometheus is a boring, lame pile of shit. Worst of the saga by a mile.
Quote from: DontRelaxJustYetMarines on Feb 22, 2013, 05:01:27 AM
Prometheus is a boring, lame pile of shit. Worst of the saga by a mile.
I like the way you think sir.
Quote from: DontRelaxJustYetMarines on Feb 22, 2013, 05:01:27 AM
Prometheus is a boring, lame pile of shit. Worst of the saga by a mile.
Have you seen Resurrection?
I love how poll result and comments here contradict.
AVP-R by mile. Horrible acting, ridiculous pacing, bad lighting effect. How human characters are felt completely separated from the other monsters, etc...
I don't know how people can choose Predator, Alien, Aliens over this. It doesn't make any sense!
Quote from: demonbane on Feb 25, 2013, 12:58:10 AM
I love how poll result and comments here contradict.
The poll is outdated and should not be taken as the actual general consensus of the site's members' opinions. Every time a new movie is released it is simply added to the list, but we're unable to retract our votes if our opinion changes with current releases.
Personally, I think that this thread (and the Favorite Movie thread) should just be locked and restarted.
My favorites Alien and predator movies are Predator,aliens and alien. ;D
Alien Ressurection is still my least favorite, not suprised to see AvP-R leading the votes though it lookx like the hate might have died down a bit here.
I enjoy alien resurection, dont know why people hate it so much :-\ yes is not in the same level as alien or aliens but is not a bad movie, is very entertaining and has a great atmosphere, and the soundtrack is awesome! very scary, one of the best of the franchise in my opinion! :P
If i have to give a score to this film i will give it a 7,0/10. :)
Sorry for my bad english :-[ i am brasilian
AvP: R by miles, followed closely by resurrection and the rest of the series I'm fine with really c:
Alien: Resurrection. I can live with everything else; at least they honored the canon. But Resurrection's whole clone thing was terrible.
I actually liked the newborn as a sympathetic-yet-hideous creature.
Quote from: JCGAuthor on Mar 07, 2013, 10:21:55 PM
I can live with everything else; at least they honored the canon.
Eggbarfing? :-\
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2013, 10:31:02 PM
Eggbarfing? :-\
I don't follow you. What am I forgetting about? I haven't seen the flick in a long while.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 07, 2013, 10:31:02 PM
Quote from: JCGAuthor on Mar 07, 2013, 10:21:55 PM
I can live with everything else; at least they honored the canon.
Eggbarfing? :-\
Well, it's AvP-only canon at this point.
I'd say the first AvP movie. The PG13 rating really hurt it, and though it was trying to keep in some line with the spirit of the comic books, setting it on Earth just...nope. Couldn't get into that.
AvP:R is somewhat amusing, so I put it a bit higher than regular ol AvP. I also like the stupid levels of gore and violence in AvP:R, even if the lighting makes some of it hard to see.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 25, 2013, 01:01:44 AMPersonally, I think that this thread (and the Favorite Movie thread) should just be locked and restarted.
I have to agree.
I disagree, but that's just me as I voted AvP-R and it'll firmly stay that way without question.
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Mar 19, 2013, 01:44:02 AM
I disagree, but that's just me as I voted AvP-R and it'll firmly stay that way without question.
As will I. But I think that its safe to say that some peoples' opinions changed with the releases of
Predators and
Prometheus.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 19, 2013, 01:57:12 AM
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Mar 19, 2013, 01:44:02 AM
I disagree, but that's just me as I voted AvP-R and it'll firmly stay that way without question.
As will I. But I think that its safe to say that some peoples' opinions changed with the releases of Predators and Prometheus.
Fair enough.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 19, 2013, 01:57:12 AM
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Mar 19, 2013, 01:44:02 AM
I disagree, but that's just me as I voted AvP-R and it'll firmly stay that way without question.
As will I. But I think that its safe to say that some peoples' opinions changed with the releases of Predators and Prometheus.
I'd choose Predators over Alien: Res, for sure if only because I prefer Predator to Alien as a creature. I wouldn't say it's a better movie though.
If I had to list the films in order of preference I'd go:
1. Predator
2. Aliens
3. Alien
4. Predator 2
5. Prometheus
6. Predators
7. Alien 3
8. AVP R
9. Alien Resurrection
10. AVP (only because of my blind disdain for Paul W.S. Anderson)
Quote from: Gilfryd on Mar 19, 2013, 01:34:05 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 25, 2013, 01:01:44 AMPersonally, I think that this thread (and the Favorite Movie thread) should just be locked and restarted.
I have to agree.
I agree with the agreement.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Mar 25, 2013, 03:18:00 PM
Quote from: Gilfryd on Mar 19, 2013, 01:34:05 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 25, 2013, 01:01:44 AMPersonally, I think that this thread (and the Favorite Movie thread) should just be locked and restarted.
I have to agree.
I agree with the agreement.
Triple agreed but I would like to add the relationship advice thread.
No, that should simply be exterminated and not rebooted in any way.
Yeah, your probably right.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Mar 19, 2013, 01:57:12 AM
Quote from: Crazy Rich on Mar 19, 2013, 01:44:02 AM
I disagree, but that's just me as I voted AvP-R and it'll firmly stay that way without question.
As will I. But I think that its safe to say that some peoples' opinions changed with the releases of Predators and Prometheus.
Is it possible to vote for more than one option and change votes?
No. Once you vote, that's it.
Shame cos... I am on the verge of actually changing my vote...
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 16, 2013, 02:27:57 PM
Shame cos... I am on the verge of actually changing my vote...
To what?
To Prometheus.
The thing is, AvPR is a terrible film for a variety of reasons, and I don't think listing them would be necessary.
Prometheus has a terrible script with nice visuals and some nice creature designs, and some nice acting.
...And it f**king guns down many great ideas behind Alien; a lot of the charm I found in the original film -- now dust.
Kinda a dilemma here.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 19, 2013, 08:54:19 PM
To Prometheus.
The thing is, AvPR is a terrible film for a variety of reasons, and I don't think listing them would be necessary.
Prometheus has a terrible script with nice visuals and some nice creature designs, and some nice acting.
...And it f**king guns down many great ideas behind Alien; a lot of the charm I found in the original film -- now dust.
Kinda a dilemma here.
I iz dissapoint.
Quote from: OmegaZilla on Apr 19, 2013, 08:54:19 PM
To Prometheus.
The thing is, AvPR is a terrible film for a variety of reasons, and I don't think listing them would be necessary.
Prometheus has a terrible script with nice visuals and some nice creature designs, and some nice acting.
...And it f**king guns down many great ideas behind Alien; a lot of the charm I found in the original film -- now dust.
Kinda a dilemma here.
Like what? They distanced Prometheus enough from Alien that it doesn't touch much of anything. The only real links IMO are the Alien wall relief and the Engineers.
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Yes?
:laugh:
Made me smile. Thanks.
The Dude abides.
But seriously, I don't think Prometheus killed anything that Alien offered up. I think it might have put a new spin on things but changed entirely, I don't think so. If we had gotten the John Spaiths' script instead, I'd probably be agreeing with you though.
Alien, 1979: see that? An incomprehensible alien thing from beyond the stars! The universe is big!
Prometheus, 2012: see those? Suits for pale bald guys! So was that thing from the other movie! The universe ain't big, man.
I go more detailedly here (http://monsterlegacy.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/from-beyond-the-stars-alien-vs-prometheus/).
And something I didn't quite say there: they're surely going for the 'bioweapon route' for what they've been implying both in the movie and behind the scenes; so the Engineers create the Alien as a bioweapon... Engineers are humans (as different to Shaw as an asian is different to an african)... making the Alien a human bioweapon. It isn't even an Alien anymore.
So much joy.
There's just as much mystery now as there was then. The mystery has simply changed.
For me, Prometheus didn't alter or lessen the impact and sheer sense of unsettling mystery in Alien. Not in the slightest.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 20, 2013, 09:02:27 PM
There's just as much mystery now as there was then. The mystery has simply changed.
And that's the thing for me. Zero interest value. Gunned it all down.
Quote from: Omegazilla on Apr 20, 2013, 04:05:13 PM
Alien, 1979: see that? An incomprehensible alien thing from beyond the stars! The universe is big!
Prometheus, 2012: see those? Suits for pale bald guys! So was that thing from the other movie! The universe ain't big, man.
I go more detailedly here (http://monsterlegacy.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/from-beyond-the-stars-alien-vs-prometheus/).
And something I didn't quite say there: they're surely going for the 'bioweapon route' for what they've been implying both in the movie and behind the scenes; so the Engineers create the Alien as a bioweapon... Engineers are humans (as different to Shaw as an asian is different to an african)... making the Alien a human bioweapon. It isn't even an Alien anymore.
So much joy.
While I agree with your point, I did enjoy
Prometheus. That said, you and I are the last people in the universe who don't want everything spelled out (http://jonathancg.net/dear-hollywood-stop-taking-my-wonder-away/).
QuoteI don't want a world where the aliens show up in true form at the end of Contact (and I don't care if you do). I'm not interested in learning why the Engineers created us, then tried to destroy us, then changed their minds. I'm glad when the film doesn't tell me Deckard is a replicant. I prefer being allowed to wonder.
Quote from: SpaceMarines on Apr 20, 2013, 09:02:27 PM
There's just as much mystery now as there was then. The mystery has simply changed.
For me, Prometheus didn't alter or lessen the impact and sheer sense of unsettling mystery in Alien. Not in the slightest.
I feel the same. Prometheus made it more interesting for me and I want to know more.
I remember seeing AVP: Requiem in theaters and being really ticked off because of how bad it was. It ripped off all the memorable elements of every Alien and Predator movie without adding anything to either series. I remember the characters all being pretty selfish and uninteresting and not caring, in fact, hoping, they got killed. Then the fact that there wasn't a B story, as in, a second story line that converges with the main plot line to reach the conclusion. It was like Aliens are here, Predators are here, ok cool kill the town, later.
To me I feel predator 2 was my least favorite 1. Danny glover to me just doesn't scream predator worthy opponent(Adrian Brody didn't seem like a worthy opponent but after watching Predators he actually did rise to the ocasion and I was Impressed), 2. I was not excited after I watched it, it just didn't live up to the awesomeness of the first one and #3. the setting of pred 2 just doesn't fit a predator they are hunters (u don't go outside and a see a hunter with a rifle trying to shoot at a deer in a city do ya) I just felt that the predator was not in his element and cause of such I didn't feel any tension. This is just my opinion though thats all. :-\
Quote from: xenokris on Jun 15, 2013, 10:50:14 PM
(u don't go outside and a see a hunter with a rifle trying to shoot at a deer in a city do ya) I just felt that the predator was not in his element and cause of such I didn't feel any tension. This is just my opinion though thats all. :-\
Thats different tho. Hes hunting his prey in their natural habitat. The city IS our natural habitat. Like deer hunters hunt in the woods where Deers live, like fishermen hunt for sharks in the oceans where they live, Predators hunting in a city is actually more challenging and more fitting
I wouldn't call it more challenging. Just fire randomly and you'll hit someone. And you wouldn't be hard pressed to hit someone with a gun. More of a challenge to find some guys in a jungle (though finding those guys wouldn't be terribly hard). But otherwise, yes a city is our natural habitat and it makes perfect sense for a Predator to hunt there.
AvP:R. That movie was downright shit, except for a few good fight scenes. The rest was just a rehash of the two series with some added teen drama. >:(
A Rez for me. Ripley died in the leadworks, Morse is the only person left (that we know of at that point) that has seen the horrors of the Alien. Followed VERY closely by AvPR.
Also, 5 people voted for A L I E N? 6 for Aliens? Eleven people need to be tied up to a chair in the middle of LV-426.
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 23, 2013, 08:18:03 PM
A Rez for me. Ripley died in the leadworks, Morse is the only person left (that we know of at that point) that has seen the horrors of the Alien. Followed VERY closely by AvPR.
Also, 5 people voted for A L I E N? 6 for Aliens? Eleven people need to be tied up to a chair in the middle of LV-426.
Add another 6 from Predator.
Quote from: demonbane on Jul 24, 2013, 09:37:35 PM
Quote from: FiorinaFury161 on Jul 23, 2013, 08:18:03 PM
A Rez for me. Ripley died in the leadworks, Morse is the only person left (that we know of at that point) that has seen the horrors of the Alien. Followed VERY closely by AvPR.
Also, 5 people voted for A L I E N? 6 for Aliens? Eleven people need to be tied up to a chair in the middle of LV-426.
Add another 6 from Predator.
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Can't believe 17 people on this forum picked Alien, Aliens or Predator? WTF? Probably the same type of people that would list The Empire Strikes Back as the worst Star Wars film and the Phantom Menace as the best.
Requiem ! What a load of BS >:(
Requiem, by about a million miles. It was the cinematic equivalent of drowning in liquid poo.
The only other entry I hate is the first AVP, which had characters and dialogue almost as cringe-inducingly bad as the sequel, but at least has Henriksen and a vaguely interesting setting. Every other film in the franchise I enjoy to some degree (yes, even Resurrection) and most of the movies I love.
Hmm... I loved all the movies, including A:R, AvP, and AvPR, but if I had to go with the one I favor most...AvPR. The whole movie was kind of bland, the characters got annoying at times, and the whole thing was just so dark(literally and figuratively). Still got to respect the Predalien and Wolf. :laugh:
PREDATORS.
I just really, really, do not like that movie... It just seemed so arrogant and unnecessary.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 04, 2014, 02:27:16 AMPREDATORS.
I understand the complaints about
Predators, but I can't see how anyone could think it's a worse movie than
AVP:R. That film was just atrociously bad.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 12, 2013, 02:34:57 PM
Requiem, by about a million miles. It was the cinematic equivalent of drowning in liquid poo.
The only other entry I hate is the first AVP, which had characters and dialogue almost as cringe-inducingly bad as the sequel, but at least has Henriksen and a vaguely interesting setting. Every other film in the franchise I enjoy to some degree (yes, even Resurrection) and most of the movies I love.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 04, 2014, 08:51:10 AM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Mar 04, 2014, 02:27:16 AMPREDATORS.
I understand the complaints about Predators, but I can't see how anyone could think it's a worse movie than AVP:R. That film was just atrociously bad.
I think they're both on the same level, frankly. Still not as horrible as Resurrection though.
I'd take Resurrection over AVP:R any day. At least that had moments where it felt like they were trying, like the clone room scene, which is actually really well done. And Weaver was great in it (although they went and cut most of her best scenes from the theatrical release).
With AVP:R, it felt like the people making it didn't give a sh*t. Like they thought they could get away with the terrible plot, acting, characters, creature designs and script just because it had Alien and Predator in the title. And that is why I hate it more than anything.
we get it, Rakai, you hate Predators ::) let it go.
AvP:R was just a slasher-wanna-be, I couldn't watch the rest of the movie.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 04, 2014, 03:44:26 PM
I'd take Resurrection over AVP:R any day. At least that had moments where it felt like they were trying, like the clone room scene, which is actually really well done. And Weaver was great in it (although they went and cut most of her best scenes from the theatrical release).
With AVP:R, it felt like the people making it didn't give a sh*t. Like they thought they could get away with the terrible plot, acting, characters, creature designs and script just because it had Alien and Predator in the title. And that is why I hate it more than anything.
AvP:R was dumb fun. Resurrection was a gigantic shitbag of "WTF". The Newborn was the worst thing about it and that isn't saying much given the sheer idiocy of the entire film.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Mar 05, 2014, 01:39:46 PMAvP:R was dumb fun. Resurrection was a gigantic shitbag of "WTF". The Newborn was the worst thing about it and that isn't saying much given the sheer idiocy of the entire film.
As ridiculous as the Newborn was, it was a million times better than that appalling pipe-cleaner-haired Predalien they came up with.
Seriously,
AVP:R isn't just the worst film from the franchise, it's one of the worst films I've ever seen, period.
I'm not denying that, but I find it more tolerable than Resurrection. As far as I'm concerned, Weaver showed how little she cares about the franchise by agreeing to do it.
My least favorite film would have to be AVP. It contradicted so much of what Ripley died to protect.
Fortunately, 20th Century Fox has abandoned that particular crossover. One of my in-laws was a VP at fox and shared that with me when he knew how much I disliked that film.
It had so much potential, but it's not fair of me to say that considering so many people worked hard to make it... That being said, it's within my rights to say it was bad. :/
Not sure how hard the writers were working.
Quote from: Mr. Sin on Apr 09, 2014, 12:41:26 AM
My least favorite film would have to be AVP. It contradicted so much of what Ripley died to protect.
Eh, not really. It kept the Aliens contained far away from civilisation, which is what Ripley was going for.
AvPR threw Aliens into a town and pissed on all of it.
Quote from: SiL on Apr 09, 2014, 11:43:20 AM
Quote from: Mr. Sin on Apr 09, 2014, 12:41:26 AM
My least favorite film would have to be AVP. It contradicted so much of what Ripley died to protect.
Eh, not really. It kept the Aliens contained far away from civilisation, which is what Ripley was going for.
AvPR threw Aliens into a town and pissed on all of it.
Such potential..just to be tossed away
Potential... Perhaps, but the first film already lost me with shit-ass Resurrection Aliens.
The first film lost me with boring characters, a lack of tension, and a marked dearth of the titular versing.
Alien design was so far down the list it was off the bottom of the page, lying on the floor and being trodden into the carpet.
Quote from: SM on Apr 10, 2014, 06:52:26 AM
The first film lost me with boring characters, a lack of tension, and a marked dearth of the titular versing.
Alien design was so far down the list it was off the bottom of the page, lying on the floor and being trodden into the carpet.
All that too. Lol
It's just when I look back on it, I can't even try to enjoy it because it looks God awful.
Quote from: SM on Apr 10, 2014, 06:52:26 AMThe first film lost me with boring characters, a lack of tension, and a marked dearth of the titular versing.
This. The only good things in the film were the setting (which I did think was quite cool, except for the fact it was before
Alien) and Lance Henriksen (who was only noteworthy
because he was Lance Henriksen, his character sucked just as hard as all the others).
The dialogue was appalling too.
The first movie was way too slow for me... It's my least favorite...
Thats a tough one.. I'd say Resurrection was my least favorite, but only because I dont care much for Jeaunet's style. It's really awesome, most of the time, but it just doesnt lend itself to an Alien film, IMO.
The sad thing is is that if done right AvP couldve been good. The first one i enjoyed just because I finally got to see Yautja and Xenomorphs fighting in a major motion picture and the acting wasnt too horrible, the second one however just disappointed me. At least the bad acting and overwhelming clichés of predator 2 made it even more funny, AVPR couldnt even do that. If theyre making AvP3 and the director does well i think it's safe to say his skills are remarkable. We need someone to win respect for the AVP movie franchise.
I think AvP is dead and done at this point. Fox seems more interested in seeing what they can do with Alien, since they're focusing on Prometheus.
Prometheus,It felt like it was originally planned to be a proper prequel to Alien but somehow got lost.
Quote from: Trooper909 on Oct 23, 2014, 10:54:35 PMPrometheus,It felt like it was originally planned to be a proper prequel to Alien but somehow got lost.
That's because that's pretty much exactly what happened.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 24, 2014, 07:36:25 AMThat's because that's pretty much exactly what happened.
My guess is because the writers couldn't agree on how to make the Origin of the Engineers.
I mean I don't mind Prometheus's explanation, it's just that it shouldn't have been so complicated to the point where they have to plan a sequel to explain the rest to the majority of the audience.
everyone hates resurrection the most but I thought it was better than alien 3
Quote from: polaris1924 on Feb 02, 2015, 11:42:32 AM
everyone hates resurrection the most but I thought it was better than alien 3
I think you mean "everyone" hates Requiem the most :laugh: say what you want about Resurrection but I would bet a fair deal that most would take Resurrection over Requiem anyday because despite the faults, it doesn't fail at characters and dialogue as much as Requiem did (my opinion of course).
The poll at the top of this thread shows quite how overwhelming the dislike for Requiem is :)
I know right, easy choice for me that was. :laugh:
AVP did have good ideas, a good setting, perhaps a good start but it failed to execute its ideas properly and the charactors? forgettable. I actually read somewhere that Adele Rousseau is a favorite despite her lack of character development, they likely thought everyone was boring compared to her :laugh:
I liked AvP:R. Y'all suck.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Feb 02, 2015, 04:49:39 PM
I liked AvP:R. Y'all suck.
Not any more than yer face.
Yeah, well...YOUR MOM!!!!
Don't be talkin' about my momma.
You'll tell him about your mother.
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She's a lovely lady.
I am going with alien vs predator I did not really like it that much.
A:r is least w/ AvP as second worst, but even w that I enjoy em all
AvP:R for me. Although it had some good ideas (still want to see more of the Predator planet) I found it mostly tasteless in a way to get cheap shocks.
It's certainly worse than Resurrection in my books and I thought that movie was unnecessary.
Definitely the first AvP. While AvP:R was even stupider, I have a masochistic soft spot for it whereas AvP just pisses me off.
And for the record, I love A3 and A:R - and I'm very happy to see that Prometheus hasn't had too much shade thrown its way.
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 11, 2015, 02:54:04 AM
Definitely the first AvP. While AvP:R was even stupider, I have a masochistic soft spot for it whereas AvP just pisses me off.
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Alien3 is just amazingly boring, at least AvPR has action even if it is rubbish
Maybe if you're twelve. :-*
Ressurection! I don't even accept this shit. A4 was never released yet. The newborn is the most stupid thing. Don't understand so much negative at Requiem. Yes there was a stupidizm as queen function, Earth based action and poor scenery, but all theese is better AR at all!
Nothing in Requiem was better than Resurrection. And even as someone who enjoys the fourth movie, that really is saying something.
Much as I have a soft spot for all things Predator, I have to say I can't even watch Requiem. Alien Resurrection while having a storyline that made me go 'WTF? You've spoilt the preceding films if THIS is how it ends!' was a far better quality film all round. You can see what's going on for a start! Didn't like it, but not a terrible film.
Best bit about Requiem is the gallery on here! (Yes, my avatar is Wolf, I hold up my hands!) but the film is....terrible.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 01, 2015, 08:12:37 AM
Nothing in Requiem was better than Resurrection. And even as someone who enjoys the fourth movie, that really is saying something.
Maybe not objectively, but I'd still choose to watch Requiem over Resurrection. I can't stomach the Newborn
at all.
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 02, 2015, 12:12:09 PMMaybe not objectively, but I'd still choose to watch Requiem over Resurrection. I can't stomach the Newborn at all.
That's fair enough.
I can't stomach literally anything about
Requiem at all.
Resurrection is at least a decent tongue-in-cheek, slightly bizarre black comedy-horror movie mash-up, even if it's a terrible
Alien movie. I don't find
Requiem enjoyably on any level whatsoever. It's just appalling.
AvPR I have to actually force myself to watch. And the last time was about 4/5 years ago and I had to watch it in 3 goes. Resurrection, whilst failing, has some good concepts buried away beneath it.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 02, 2015, 12:40:19 PM
Quote from: DoomRulz on Sep 02, 2015, 12:12:09 PMMaybe not objectively, but I'd still choose to watch Requiem over Resurrection. I can't stomach the Newborn at all.
That's fair enough.
I can't stomach literally anything about Requiem at all.
Resurrection is at least a decent tongue-in-cheek, slightly bizarre black comedy-horror movie mash-up, even if it's a terrible Alien movie. I don't find Requiem enjoyably on any level whatsoever. It's just appalling.
First of all in the begining of AR - WHERE did they found blood to clone Ripley? WHERE if she burnt in hot (HOT) metal? In all movie even in DC version she didn't get hurt to blood!
Second: Classic Alien drone is Humanalien where human is a host, as for Predalien where Predator is a host, Runner where quadripedal is a host and so on, SO... WTF is Newborn? Humanhumanalien? %-( if Newborn was cut in Director's Cut the whole movie became lot better to watch.
Also there are awful actors! In A3 those prisoners had a charisma, in AR there are nasty faces. It's unpleasant to watch this movie because of them too.
Quote from: MaXenaeL on Sep 03, 2015, 10:58:16 AMFirst of all in the begining of AR - WHERE did they found blood to clone Ripley? WHERE if she burnt in hot (HOT) metal? In all movie even in DC version she didn't get hurt to blood!
Clemens obviously took some blood samples when she arrived on Fury 161. I would've thought that much was standard medical procedure, given the circumstances of how she got there.
Quote from: MaXenaeL on Sep 03, 2015, 10:58:16 AMSecond: Classic Alien drone is Humanalien where human is a host, as for Predalien where Predator is a host, Runner where quadripedal is a host and so on, SO... WTF is Newborn? Humanhumanalien?
All explained in the movie. The Newborn is the result of the Queen having human DNA mixed in with her own. Just as Ripley 8 isn't all human, the Queen isn't all Alien. She inherits reproduction via live birth from Ripley because the cloning process was impure.
HuDaFuK, okay! Shure, you're right about Clemens, I forgot about that moment, my Humanhumanalien theory is a little diferent, but the main idea is the same as yours. I understand that Queen was a mutant. Okay. BUT! How the hell alien DNA got in Ripley blood?! Alien Embryo can consume host's resourses and DNA, it adaptates to be biologicaly invisible to host's organism until chestburst (when it becomes just too big to hide). Human embryo never changes mother, any embryo never changes host. If no, than Ripley, Cane and all facehugged become mutants already? What a bullshit? If you have one blood type it's no guaranty your mom has the same type. The law of reason and consequense.
If I remember rightly the intent is that the embryo actually changes the host DNA so the host's body doesn't fight it off.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 05, 2015, 07:48:09 AM
If I remember rightly the intent is that the embryo actually changes the host DNA so the host's body doesn't fight it off.
Absolutely vice versa! How small cell is able to change the whole body? It's too expensive, much easier is to change itself (one cell). If no, then there's no meaning in drone variations such as Runnners, Predaliens etc. That is why embryo borrows host DNA - only to hide. Other abilities like extrastrong or extrafast are consequense of that borrow.
Life example: When you run away from killers, you will hide in garbage can and dig into it, but never change the whole street. Maybe you're able, but they are running after you and you have no time.
So is here. Embryo is growing too fast to change whole environment, much easier is to hide behind host's security systems.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 05, 2015, 07:48:09 AMIf I remember rightly the intent is that the embryo actually changes the host DNA so the host's body doesn't fight it off.
There's also the idea that the Facehugger doesn't implant a literal baby Alien, but rather a cancer that causes the host's body to 'build' the Chestburster out of it's own cells.
Incidentally, that idea actually pre-dates
Resurrection by quite a few years, so it'd be interesting to know if that was what Whedon had in mind when he wrote it.
But granted, it's not explained in the film how Ripley's blood could have Xeno DNA in it, and it probably should've been.
It's spoken about in the WYR if I remember rightly? I wish I had somewhere to put that thing, I keep putting it back in the box and putting it away.
Rightio, just re-reading sections of the WYR and whilst talking about the Runner chestburster (pg19) it states "borrowing from and adding to the host's DNA to restructure its own". It also talks about the chestburster incorporating aspects of host genetic makeup to help resist defend from the hosts immune system.
Forgot to reply :)
I seem to recall reading how Chestbursters are grown from the host like a cancer (rather than literally being placed in there by the Facehugger) in a few different places, but I don't remember
AWYR being one of them. Could be wrong though.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 07, 2015, 06:18:09 PMI wish I had somewhere to put that thing, I keep putting it back in the box and putting it away.
I know what you mean. I've put it in another box at the moment for ease of access, but once I've decided I'm unlikely to want it again any time soon I'll stick it back in the proper case.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 09, 2015, 07:42:13 AM
I seem to recall reading how Chestbursters are grown from the host like a cancer (rather than literally being placed in there by the Facehugger) in a few different places, but I don't remember AWYR being one of them. Could be wrong though.
Sorry, I was referring to my post about the DNA swapping, not yours. I don't remember the specifics but doesn't A:CM compare the chestburster to cancer?
QuoteI know what you mean. I've put it in another box at the moment for ease of access, but once I've decided I'm unlikely to want it again any time soon I'll stick it back in the proper case.
I'll probably pick up a standard edition to put on my shelf if/when that comes out.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 09, 2015, 08:13:56 AMSorry, I was referring to my post about the DNA swapping, not yours. I don't remember the specifics but doesn't A:CM compare the chestburster to cancer?
It does, but funnily enough that idea pre-exists the game - a great piece on Alien biology in
Aliens magazine points out that even if you successfully remove a Chestubrster, its development is cancerous and will kill you anyway. I wonder if that's where they got it from, or if they just happened to come up with the same idea?
Any chance you could take a photo of that particular page/s?
Sure, I'll try and grab some snaps tonight.
Fantastic. Thank you. :)
You know, you could just go out and buy the magazine... Or make a collage out of all the photos I've taken of it for you :P
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Sep 09, 2015, 08:44:55 AM
You know, you could just go out and buy the magazine... Or make a collage out of all the photos I've taken of it for you :P
Pft. There's only like 3 you hyperbolic git. :P But I do appreciate it. You and your collection. :P
;D
AVP:R easily.
Hop on the AVP-R hate bandwagon, brother ! :P
I'm surprised AVP:R has such a high rating. It's a bad movie, but at least it had plenty of action and gore going on.
My personal pick was Alien 3, just for how dry of a film it is. It really doesn't kick off till the last half hour, and none of the new characters introduced were interesting at all.
I like them all. Each one brought something new to the table that made it worthwhile.
Quote from: genocyber on May 17, 2016, 09:20:20 PMI'm surprised AVP:R has such a high rating. It's a bad movie, but at least it had plenty of action and gore going on.
Action and gore don't make an enjoyable movie.
AVP:R is by far the worst of the Alien movies by 57896543.7 light years. Dumbest acting ever.
The only good thing to come out of AvPR is Wolf.
The action and gore weren't even done well... at all. Personally I think the AvP films hurt and discredited both franchises more than any other film from either franchise.
The AVP films kept the franchise alive during the '00s. Now we're getting a new Alien film directed by Ridley Scott and a new Predator film by Shane Black and the franchise is strong as ever (not to mention Prometheus, Predators, Alien: Isolation, etc).
Quote from: Nostromo on Jun 24, 2016, 12:24:55 PM
Dumbest acting ever.
That's totally unfair to the men and women who were acting as small town Coloradan's.
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Quote from: Nostromo on Jun 24, 2016, 12:24:55 PM
Dumbest acting ever.
That's totally unfair to the men and women who were acting as small town Coloradan's.
I probably meant the screenplay which is not the actor's faults, and the storyline. As if it was directed, written and edited by some morons.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 24, 2016, 02:27:43 PM
The only good thing to come out of AvPR is Wolf.
Personally I say Wolf was probably one of the worst things about the movie. as he only looked cool because all the Xenos were idiotic and stupidly weak, if for example he did what he did in the Sewers like lifting up two Xenos against actual competent Xenos from say Aliens he would have died.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 24, 2016, 11:15:59 AM
Quote from: genocyber on May 17, 2016, 09:20:20 PMI'm surprised AVP:R has such a high rating. It's a bad movie, but at least it had plenty of action and gore going on.
Action and gore don't make an enjoyable movie.
At all
Quote from: g2vd on Jun 28, 2016, 05:46:14 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 24, 2016, 02:27:43 PM
The only good thing to come out of AvPR is Wolf.
Personally I say Wolf was probably one of the worst things about the movie. as he only looked cool because all the Xenos were idiotic and stupidly weak, if for example he did what he did in the Sewers like lifting up two Xenos against actual competent Xenos from say Aliens he would have died.
My theory is that these xenos were genetically engineered by the predators (like the cloned xenomorphs in Alien Resurrection, which they look similar to).
Anyway, despite that, all the predator stuff in AVPR was well done, even the predalien.
These really should have been called Predator VS Alien, because they are more to do with the predator series than the alien series (IMO).
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2016, 06:34:43 AM
My theory is that these xenos were genetically engineered by the predators (like the cloned xenomorphs in Alien Resurrection, which they look similar to).
There was a time when someone claimed Anderson said this but it turned out to be bollocks. I could have brought into it though.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2016, 08:26:22 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2016, 06:34:43 AM
My theory is that these xenos were genetically engineered by the predators (like the cloned xenomorphs in Alien Resurrection, which they look similar to).
There was a time when someone claimed Anderson said this but it turned out to be bollocks. I could have brought into it though.
You mean the whole giving the Queen hormones to speed up the lifecycle thing? Yeah, I can't remember where that was said but that definitely ties into it.
I think IMDB was the one to spread that rumour.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2016, 08:26:22 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2016, 06:34:43 AM
My theory is that these xenos were genetically engineered by the predators (like the cloned xenomorphs in Alien Resurrection, which they look similar to).
There was a time when someone claimed Anderson said this but it turned out to be bollocks. I could have brought into it though.
Hmm, wasnt it in the audio commentary? I may be wrong because its been a while since I listened to it, but I think it wasnt Anderson but ADI who said it in the commentary
I think it was one of the ADI guys who said the AVP warriors were specially bred by the Predators to hunt, that's why they grow faster and have beefier claws and whatnot.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jan 08, 2017, 05:12:35 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 10, 2016, 08:26:22 AM
Quote from: Scorpio on Aug 08, 2016, 06:34:43 AM
My theory is that these xenos were genetically engineered by the predators (like the cloned xenomorphs in Alien Resurrection, which they look similar to).
There was a time when someone claimed Anderson said this but it turned out to be bollocks. I could have brought into it though.
Hmm, wasnt it in the audio commentary? I may be wrong because its been a while since I listened to it, but I think it wasnt Anderson but ADI who said it in the commentary
Not that I can remember. I listened to the track recently (last couple of months) and I don't recall him saying anything like that.
Quote from: Gilfryd on Jan 10, 2017, 02:46:12 AM
I think it was one of the ADI guys who said the AVP warriors were specially bred by the Predators to hunt, that's why they grow faster and have beefier claws and whatnot.
Do you remember where?
It's been a while but it might've been the commentary with the FX guys. Honestly there're so many disparate accounts of things relating to the AVP films you could believe whatever you want.
huh, objectively the worst of the bunch is AVPR, then it would be AVP, and then Predators, those three are terrible, mediocre/generic, and bad movies respectively
While I do love Wolf and Ian Whyte's performance, AVP: Requiem is an almighty toilet flush of a movie. >:( A dark mess with unlikable characters who you wished would get killed off. I feel sorry for the Studio ADI guys. They did an amazing job with the practical effects but the poor lighting meant that their work wasn't showcased like it should've been.
I will agree that requiem was bad, but I just don't like how they perverted the aliens origins with an absolutely horrible movie that could have been ended in the first 10/20 minuets of them being there. the characters acted humanly abnormal, would you run in the path of a FALLING SPACESHIP!!! no? I didn't think so, would you continue to explore a place that has killed most of your crew and beheaded an android with the creature you thought created you for god knows why. I honestly want to know who would do those things knowing they were also stepping on the substance that killed the most of their crew!
that felt good to get out.
Shit, Man. Yeah. I'd run in a straight line.
Would you prefer to run into the raining fiery debris of the ship that had exploded, instead? The rolling Juggernaut was actually shielding and protecting the pair from the shattered fragments of the Prometheus that was literally bombarding either side of the juggernaut.
The path of the rolling ship was the only safe place, albeit a very temporary one.
Either way, it's one seriously f**ked up situation to make a decision over. Instant death from above? ...or near instant death from being crushed. Personally, I'll take the few seconds of reprieve. ...oh, and not fall over. A few extra seconds can all too frequently mean the difference between life and death. Happens all the time. All over the world.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: hooligan1970 on Feb 20, 2017, 02:42:43 AM
would you run in the path of a FALLING SPACESHIP!!!
A bit hard not to given all the raining debris and its massive size. They even tried to dodge it but the ship wasn't even falling in a straight line as it rolled on its axis.
Quoteno? I didn't think so, would you continue to explore a place that has killed most of your crew and beheaded an android with the creature you thought created you for god knows why. I honestly want to know who would do those things knowing they were also stepping on the substance that killed the most of their crew!
Because Weyland is old and dying, rich and probably insane.
Or are you referring to Shaw? She had nothing else to live for, being barren and all her friends dead. Why not?
Requiem is unquestionably a worse film than Prometheus on every level. And I say that as someone who's really pissed off with Prometheus.
It is easy to talk about what you would in a situation like that right now while you are safe, but in a life or death situation, you are running on instinct which is not always smart. So chances are that people will make the same mistake and get flattened.
Indeed Huda, Prometheus is flawed but Requiem will always be the worst...so far.
Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Predator, Predator 2, Predators and Prometheus I love almost equally.
Resurrection is an interesting failed attempt to try and continue the main series.
AVP is a dumb movie but fun.
Requiem......has maybe one or two cool things in it but is for the most part the second worst thing to come out of this franchise. It would be the worst if Deadliest of Species didn't exist.
That was an odd book indeed and until defiance, was the longest one.
Prometheus for me in the worst.
The story could have been way better, the idea of Engineers meeting humans could be so much better.
No xenos in an Alien movie....
Don't even get me started on the acting... At points there's 12 member as crew the next point theres 30....
Movie that jumps scenes and story..
It killed off AvP as canon.. and possibly predators as a whole might be cut off if ridley scott is given more praise.
More plotholes left by prometheus than solved, possibly to be covered in the next 7 years of sequels that will be milked like hell.
In the entirety of the franchise, I'd say the first AVP movie was the worst. The script was so awful that it made Joss Whedon's in Alien Resurrection look like a masterpiece by comparison. It's a shame, too, because the setting and designs were superb. I liked the quasi Mountains of Madness approach they took with it. They were also wasted on a PG-13 rating.
The movie went irredeemably full retard once the Predator made the lead girl a spear and a shield from an Alien's corpse. Now imagine this was made by someone who could write a script with an R rating.
The worst movie has to be AVPR it had plenty of bad taste written all over it. All the cast was unlikeable. Should have just wiped them all out. The only good thing about that movie was the predators. But I would agree the fight scene should have been much longer. Didn't they pay the electric bill when shooting. AVP was terrible also. But AVPR should have improved on what people critiqued about the first movie. Nope they made a worse pile of shite. Alien Resurrection wasn't as bad as those movies.
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I don't really have an issue with Predator, Alien, or AVP and I haven't seen a lot of the others but Predators was such a steaming pile of shit I'm surprised they signed their name to it. Everything in it was exactly as if it were a fan film with a big budget that had a cheesy plot which was executed sloppily.
Comparing it to the original Predator film the casting sucked, the plot sucked (basically LOST but on a pred planet) and dear god I wonder if they even bothered applying special effects at all..
I don't think there is anything remotely good about the film aside from the crazy guy who lives in that burned out ship.
Prometheus, It was like a knife of sh** stabing me.
Very hard to pick between AVPR and Resurrection...but Resurrection has to be my least favorite because it's canon. It disenfranchised the franchise. AVPR can at least be ignored. It also at least attempts to take itself seriously. Resurrection had those horrible comic beats (looking at your death scene, Dan Hadaya), and the Newborn was much harder to come to terms with than the almost-cool predalien. Cinematography in AVPR was one of its stronger points (though often too dark), while Res's cinematography was one of its weaker points. Don't get me wrong...as far as screenplay, I'd say Resurrection had much more potential, but the execution was so off key with what we'd seen before that I ignore it slightly harder than I ignore AVPR.
Still haven't seen the second and third Predator films, but it would be rather difficult for them to be worse than Requiem, so I'm just going to go with that.
Resurrection by far is the WORST. Watching it makes me want to gouge my eyes out every time. It was incredibly forced. Bad premise. The aliens looked terrible. Newborn looked like a giant pile of s**t. Ripley 8 story was just stupid. This movie makes Alien Covenant and AVPR look halfway decent.
Quote from: Helipilot713 on Nov 02, 2017, 03:03:35 AMResurrection by far is the WORST ... This movie makes AVPR look halfway decent.
No, it doesn't. All the points you listed as to why it's bad apply twofold to
Requiem.
Resurrection's a decent film but a terrible
Alien film.
Requiem is just a terrible film full stop.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 02, 2017, 08:45:59 AM
Quote from: Helipilot713 on Nov 02, 2017, 03:03:35 AMResurrection by far is the WORST ... This movie makes AVPR look halfway decent.
No, it doesn't. All the points you listed as to why it's bad apply twofold to Requiem.
Resurrection's a decent film but a terrible Alien film. Requiem is just a terrible film full stop.
Agreed. Resurrection is not a good alien movie but it's not a bad movie. Requiem though... Resurrection is vastly superior to Requiem in terms of directing, editing, acting...
good lord, Requiem is getting destroyed by this poll :laugh:
This is tough! I have many reasons for several to qualify as my least favorite.
Is it Alien 3, for killing the alien franchise? It has still not recovered quality wise since, really. Besides spin off Prometheus. /also having terrible mo-motion/ depressing tone/ killing off great characters
Is it Alien resurrection for wasting Winona Ryder and being so simple and slimy and comedic?
Is it avp for being a painful colossal theatrical disappointment that was 80min and pg13?
Is it avp2? It was worse than avp but that first movie was the initial disappointment
Is it predators? That movie is the most boring I've ever watched
Is it Prometheus? Near perfect but no aliens to be the cherry on top
Is it Covenant? An alien movie with Scott back and fassbender starring but it was a big disappointment. Scott disappointing you is different from Anderson disappointing you
No movie actually killed the franchise as the franchise is still going.
But one movie did come close and it was called Aliens. Not trying to be hipster or edgy or anything, but this is the elephant in the room.
Just read some of the aborted scripts to Alien 3 to see what may have happened if they tried to make another movie like Aliens. Would have been a disaster.
Alien 3 in fact saved the franchise from this fate. Walter Hill absolutely made the right call, you can listen to his thoughts on the making of Alien 3 documentary, and his view mirrors mine.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Nov 07, 2017, 01:42:16 AMIs it Alien 3, for killing the alien franchise?
They made another film just four years later and they're still making them now. How was it killed?
Covenant?
AVP or AVP:R, damn it ! They are the weakest cinematically speaking, no doubt about it !
Quote from: Hyperdyne120-a2 on Aug 11, 2017, 01:22:47 AM
Very hard to pick between AVPR and Resurrection...but Resurrection has to be my least favorite because it's canon. It disenfranchised the franchise. AVPR can at least be ignored. It also at least attempts to take itself seriously. Resurrection had those horrible comic beats (looking at your death scene, Dan Hadaya), and the Newborn was much harder to come to terms with than the almost-cool predalien. Cinematography in AVPR was one of its stronger points (though often too dark), while Res's cinematography was one of its weaker points. Don't get me wrong...as far as screenplay, I'd say Resurrection had much more potential, but the execution was so off key with what we'd seen before that I ignore it slightly harder than I ignore AVPR.
I chose Resurrection, for many of the same reasons outlined by Hyperdyne. I can enjoy AVPR in a similar way that I enjoy scifi originals, but not with Resurrection and how it was supposed to fit into the story. Granted, they're both bad imo - I just think Resurrection is slightly more bad.
Covenant, for God's sake, Covenant. But AVP1, per the poll. Yeah, Resurrection wasn't fantastic, but at least it had the guts to show...guts. AVP 1 (out of the gate) was just too watered down for me, although the unrated cut felt like an improvement. Not sure why AVPR gets so much flack. I thought it brought a lot to the table. I admit it wasn't exactly what I wanted to see from an AVP film at the time, but it's definitely grown on me. Just like Predators. I couldn't stand it when I first saw it. I swore it was just awful. Now it's my second favorite Predator movie, after the first film of course. If it wasn't for Topher Grace, it might have become my favorite Predator film.
I've added Covenant to the poll.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 02, 2017, 08:45:59 AM
Quote from: Helipilot713 on Nov 02, 2017, 03:03:35 AMResurrection by far is the WORST ... This movie makes AVPR look halfway decent.
No, it doesn't. All the points you listed as to why it's bad apply twofold to Requiem.
Resurrection's a decent film but a terrible Alien film. Requiem is just a terrible film full stop.
My thoughts summed up in a single post.
From worst to best;
AVPR
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AVP
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Predators (No identity is why it's so low.)
Prometheus
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Alien Resurrection
Alien Covenant
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Predator
Predator 2
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Aliens
Prometheus (If I'm using it for artistic reference.)
Alien 3
Alien
The answer is too obvious - AVPR. Interesting that Alien Covenant doesn't have any votes against it.
Worst to Best imo (They start getting good at number 2)
AVPR
Predator 2
AVP
The Predator
Prometheus
Alien Covenant
Alien 3
Alien Resurrection
Predators
Predator
Alien
Aliens
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Sep 25, 2018, 04:44:23 PM
The answer is too obvious - AVPR. Interesting that Alien Covenant doesn't have any votes against it.
Covenant was only added to the poll earlier this year. Give it time. :D
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Sep 25, 2018, 04:44:23 PMInteresting that Alien Covenant doesn't have any votes against it.
Far more interesting I think that
Alien and
Aliens do!
Roughly 50 people.
Strange (valueless) taste.
It's the millennials or those baby boomer's that crapped their pants when the alien bursted out of Kane. I suppose anti-military people would hate Predator and anti-chick would hate both Alien an Aliens... hmm just pointing out the possibilities. Nothing to be taken seriously.
Is it time to add The Predator to the poll?
Added.
Unfortunately since the majority has already voted, its up to the newcomers to vote The Predator if they disliked it.
Requiem excels above/below all others in this one respect.
True, Requiem is easily the worst movie but I would have wagered The Predator would get quite a few votes if the members votes weren't already used.
Agreed.
I've made it so people can change their vote. Mine is staying on Requiem though.
Same, I still think its the worst of the lot.
I wonder, is there an AVPGalaxy's least favourite comic/novel or game? :laugh:
Don't hate me...
Worst to Best:
Alien: Covenant
The Predator
Prometheus
Alien: Resurrection
AVP / AVPR (Tie)
Alien 3
Predators / Predator 2 (Tie)
Predator
Alien / Aliens (Tie)
Mate...No...
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Excommunicated from the podcast.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 02, 2018, 10:28:15 AM
Mate...No...
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Knew I'd get scolded for that one.
Obviously those are personal picks, not an objective argument.
I think we can all think of movies others widely love/hate that we feel differently about.
I take that back. I read it as you preferring AvP/R over Alien 3 and Predators/Predator 2. :laugh:
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 02, 2018, 10:47:03 AM
I take that back. I read it as you preferring AvP/R over Alien 3 and Predators/Predator 2. :laugh:
Ah no, I'm not that crazy.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 02, 2018, 10:47:03 AMI take that back. I read it as you preferring AvP/R over Alien 3 and Predators/Predator 2. :laugh:
Lol, same.
Still,
Requiem's a hard last for me.
Beyond that, I'm not sure I've ever really given any thought to how I'd rate everything together.
Quote from: RidgeTop on Oct 02, 2018, 10:24:15 AM
Don't hate me...
Worst to Best:
Alien: Covenant
The Predator
Prometheus
Alien: Resurrection
AVP / AVPR (Tie)
Alien 3
Predators / Predator 2 (Tie)
Predator
Alien / Aliens (Tie)
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 02, 2018, 10:39:49 AM
Excommunicated from the podcast.
Excommunicated? We should at least try and "re-educate" our brother first. Now where did I put that metal pipe.... ;D
Discuss matters of the spirit.
Interesting question. I was really disappointed with Alien 3's squandering of much loved characters from Aliens. The off screen, and therefore very undramatic, deaths of Newt and Hicks just seemed to get the film off to a start in the wrong direction, and it kept going. The rest of the movie is a pretty uninspired re-run of the first movie, well shot and stylish, but with no really memorable characters or anything that expands the world of the franchise. I feel the subsequent films have been hit and miss, I vote for Covenant as my least favourite as it was just so dull, but the whole franchise could have gone in a much different direction if Alien 3 had not been such a muddled script.
Seems another Brother needs re-education
And I just so happen to have found my metal pipe of re-education. :laugh:
Worst to best
AVPR
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The Predator ( Subject to change based on rewatch )
Resurrection
Predators
Prometheus
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Predator
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Alien
uh... why does the poll say I voted for Aliens??? was I f'n brain dead that day. Well mistakes were made. :)
However now I wonder how my list has evolved over time... need to collate with the data banks.
My Worst to Best:
The Predator / AvPR
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AvP
Predators
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Prometheus
Alien Resurrection
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Predator 2
Alien 3 / Alien Covenant
Aliens / Predator
Alien
Alien 3 for me as going from Alien hive to a Runner feels like a downgrade. AvP:R may not tick all the boxes but the scene with the Predialien impregnating the pregnant woman gave me the chills, been a while since a Alien film gave me that and hasnt happened since.
-TJ88
Alien Covenant is just the WORST. So bad in fact that it deserves more than a little post to explain why. So here you go (//http://).
Otherwise, if I must try to stay objective, to put my feelings aside, I'm gonna side with 50% of people here and say Requiem.
The first half or so covenant isn't that bad. I was surprised by this with my recent viewing. But it just falls apart about midway through. With a different cast and rewritten 2nd half, it really could've been something.
Yeah, I think everything up to the Neomorph births is pretty damn good. It's once David arrives that it starts to slide.
Same opinion. It made the disappointment even worse.
Until the David show started, the movie was feeling like a simple but decent Alien flick. With an interesting perfume of a real spinoff, you know, this kind of humble but efficient Alien story you see in some comic books - self-contained, quick, brutal and powerful.
I disagree, the beginning's good, the middle's superior and the ending's bad, but then the end's good.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 14, 2019, 04:57:54 PM
I disagree, the beginning's good, the middle's superior and the ending's bad, but then the end's good.
I'm with The Old One. I love the movie until the Alien shows up and then it's downhill for me.
Way too much time was wasted in the engineer citadel.
And David's character was horrifically underused in covenant. Too much human interest, not enough mad science.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 15, 2019, 07:17:36 PM
Way too much time was wasted in the engineer citadel.
And David's character was horrifically underused in covenant. Too much human interest, not enough mad science.
It's sarcastic, isn't it?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 15, 2019, 08:31:01 AM
I'm with The Old One. I love the movie until the Alien shows up and then it's downhill for me.
I think it's kinda ironic that in original O'Bannon script (about which i read in one of your latest interviews, see quote below) Alien shows up much later and it's also can seem as little rushed.
QuoteThe very first version of Alien, so the first version of the script when it was actually called Alien, not Starbeast, not Memory – what's fascinating is it's roughly 115 page script I think, and the chestburster scene actually happens on page 73 or 75? So very, very late in the story.
It's not really due to how late the Alien shows up, it's just at that point in the story where the film falls down for me.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 18, 2019, 09:10:41 AM
It's not really due to how late the Alien shows up, it's just at that point in the story where the film falls down for me.
Yeah? I thought it was a problem. Well, i'm personally feel that Neo and Xeno both were not given deserved amount of screen time and speed-up life cycle is sign of it.
Don't consider me as annoying but how exactly movie falls down at that point? I only embarassed with handle of creatures.
Aye. I thought the Alien felt too shoehorned in. I'd have preferred to have had all the creature feature time given to the Neomorphs.
It is shoehorned, it doesn't help that the Alien feels like a Neomorph in it's behaviour, and the scene of them fighting that was supposed to show the contrast between the two was cut.
I am glad at least we got that wonderful Chestburster scene and f**king finally an Alien on film with a design that isn't complete dogshit, which previously has been missing since 1992. Thank you Odd Studios and Alien Isolation's Creative Assembly.
I feel the entire final sequence aboard the Covenant shouldn't exist, it's just dull from the moment I see that dippy bird.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 18, 2019, 09:50:54 AMI am glad at least we got that wonderful Chestburster scene
I honestly thought the Chestburster scene was perhaps the most misguided thing in the entire movie. I would've laughed if I hadn't been groaning so hard.
It was definitely the point at which I basically lost interest in anything that happened thereafter.
I know, I believe you've remarked so before.
I love it, the soundtrack sells it.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 18, 2019, 09:50:54 AM
I feel the entire final sequence aboard the Covenant shouldn't exist, it's just dull from the moment I see that dippy bird.
I like it. I like considering this as David testing his creation on these two. It was interesting new take on that "trap the alien and blow him to space" trope. And i like that moment when Xeno bites the camera and Walter/David seems as "Oh no, i shited my pants"
David smiling as he watches all hell break loose is a total giveaway though. You know that's not Walter right then and there. Although the ambiguity of the fight screams that it's coming.
The moment we see two Michael Fassbenders you know David's going to pull a swap.
It's about the most obvious "twist" I think I've ever seen in a movie.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 18, 2019, 06:28:58 PM
The moment we see two Michael Fassbenders you know David's going to pull a swap.
It's about the most obvious "twist" I think I've ever seen in a movie.
It's also the most poorly handled obvious twist I've ever seen in a movie
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 18, 2019, 09:50:54 AM
It is shoehorned, it doesn't help that the Alien feels like a Neomorph in it's behaviour, and the scene of them fighting that was supposed to show the contrast between the two was cut.
I am glad at least we got that wonderful Chestburster scene and f**king finally an Alien on film with a design that isn't complete dogshit, which previously has been missing since 1992. Thank you Odd Studios and Alien Isolation's Creative Assembly.
I feel the entire final sequence aboard the Covenant shouldn't exist, it's just dull from the moment I see that dippy bird.
Yeah. A different behaviour for the Neomorph was required, reaching its climax in a fight vs the Alien, before the crane sequence. Then scrap the dull second Alien sequence and finish the movie with the "plot twist", or with a different ending; but without the second Alien anyway ;D
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 18, 2019, 06:28:58 PM
The moment we see two Michael Fassbenders you know David's going to pull a swap.
It's about the most obvious "twist" I think I've ever seen in a movie.
Yeah...If only because it's just something I'd expect to see Scott think is a brilliant idea at this point. Don't get me wrong, I've always wanted to see multiples of the same on screen but the switcheroo is just so cliche. And like Jack O'Neill, I'm just not too fond of the cliches.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 18, 2019, 08:41:21 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 18, 2019, 06:28:58 PM
The moment we see two Michael Fassbenders you know David's going to pull a swap.
It's about the most obvious "twist" I think I've ever seen in a movie.
Yeah...If only because it's just something I'd expect to see Scott think is a brilliant idea at this point. Don't get me wrong, I've always wanted to see multiples of the same on screen but the switcheroo is just so cliche. And like Jack O'Neill, I'm just not too fond of the cliches.
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Well, was there any possibility to make this twist
unexpected? Maybe twist doesn't have to always be "Aha" moment but serves the story? How would you get David on the Covenant if not like this?
By the way i'm not bothered by that switch. Especially because of Daniels panicing in the end and being not able to do anything and David making that "Shh" gesture. Maybe it's kinda sadistic enjoyment, but still enjoyment.
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 18, 2019, 08:49:21 PM
Well, was there any possibility to make this twist unexpected? Maybe twist doesn't have to always be "Aha" moment but serves the story? How would you get David on the Covenant if not like this?
By the way i'm not bothered by that switch. Especially because of Daniels panicing in the end and being not able to do anything and David making that "Shh" gesture. Maybe it's kinda sadistic enjoyment, but still enjoyment.
Honestly, I've no idea how I would have handled it. I might not have bothered trying to do a switch at all. Now that said, I completely agree with you in that the end sequence when she finds out the truth was a particularly awesome moment in the film. I really enjoyed that in the same way I enjoy a lot of Alien 3's meanness.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 18, 2019, 09:09:00 PM
Honestly, I've no idea how I would have handled it. I might not have bothered trying to do a switch at all. Now that said, I completely agree with you in that the end sequence when she finds out the truth was a particularly awesome moment in the film. I really enjoyed that in the same way I enjoy a lot of Alien 3's meanness.
So in your opinion it's not absolutely necessary for David to get on Covenant? I just wanna hear your variant because i remember listening to your The Predator Review podcast and thinking "Sometimes fans come up with actually more interesting plot then actual movie does"
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 18, 2019, 09:09:00 PM
I really enjoyed that in the same way I enjoy a lot of Alien 3's meanness.
I think that ending even more meanner then Alien 3. I mean, yes in the end of third one Ripley dies but good wins anyway. But Covenant leaves us with mad android and almost 2000 poor uncapable to do anything against his will literally test subjects, so evil wins i guess.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 18, 2019, 09:09:00 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 18, 2019, 08:49:21 PM
Well, was there any possibility to make this twist unexpected? Maybe twist doesn't have to always be "Aha" moment but serves the story? How would you get David on the Covenant if not like this?
By the way i'm not bothered by that switch. Especially because of Daniels panicing in the end and being not able to do anything and David making that "Shh" gesture. Maybe it's kinda sadistic enjoyment, but still enjoyment.
Honestly, I've no idea how I would have handled it. I might not have bothered trying to do a switch at all. Now that said, I completely agree with you in that the end sequence when she finds out the truth was a particularly awesome moment in the film. I really enjoyed that in the same way I enjoy a lot of Alien 3's meanness.
Maybe they should not:
1. Have David with long hair.
2. Show us when David is trying to grab a knife.
Or...
Maybe you don't need two Michael Fassbender at all, but a robot with another appearance / gender played by another actor/actress. Then in the end, it's revealed to us that David transferred his robotic consciousness to the other character. That or tell the story in a different way. I don't know. Perhaps telling the story in a different order from the end to the beginning, with a lot of flachbacks/flashfowards or something.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 18, 2019, 09:09:00 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 18, 2019, 08:49:21 PM
Well, was there any possibility to make this twist unexpected? Maybe twist doesn't have to always be "Aha" moment but serves the story? How would you get David on the Covenant if not like this?
By the way i'm not bothered by that switch. Especially because of Daniels panicing in the end and being not able to do anything and David making that "Shh" gesture. Maybe it's kinda sadistic enjoyment, but still enjoyment.
Honestly, I've no idea how I would have handled it. I might not have bothered trying to do a switch at all. Now that said, I completely agree with you in that the end sequence when she finds out the truth was a particularly awesome moment in the film. I really enjoyed that in the same way I enjoy a lot of Alien 3's meanness.
Maybe they should not:
1. Have David with long hair.
2. Show us when David is trying to grab a knife.
Or...
Maybe you don't need two Michael Fassbender at all, but a robot with another appearance / sex played by another actor/actress. Then in the end, it's revealed to us that David transferred his robotic consciousness to the other character. That or tell the story in a different way. I don't know. Perhaps telling the story in a different order from the end to the beginning, with a lot of flachbacks/flashfowards or something.
As bad as the twist was, my problem was the timing, it happened too quickly. If David transferred his consciousness into Walter, firstly how did he do it? Would he need certain tech, and what about the time frame? It surely would have taken a while, I mean I transfer my spotify over to my memory card and it takes forever! If David killed Walter and took his place, he would have to cut his hair, change it's color, cut off his hand, and match all of Walter's injuries to make him look identical and change into his clothes. The whole thing would have taken up too much time, so it's either bad writing or bad editing, or simply Ridley Scott saying 'f**k it'.
A better way could have been David perhaps corrupting Walter throughout the course of the film, perhaps starting off from the moment the two of them met. Or have Walter die after he gets stabbed with the flute and David takes over from there, there was no need to force a twist that the audience could see coming from a mile away
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 18, 2019, 09:32:26 PM
Maybe you don't need two Michael Fassbender at all, but a robot with another appearance / gender played by another actor/actress. Then in the end, it's revealed to us that David transferred his robotic consciousness to the other character.
You mean replace Fassbender with someone else? HOW DARE YOU?! Only Fassbender can play Fassbender's character.
Everything on the ship at the end was a mess. There's little that could be done to fix it, other than to completely rewrite the whole thing.
Or perhaps we see David die, then when all is over and everyone is asleep on the covenant, Walter bursts an original alien. With no David, and no control, it would either run amuck on-board or wait for the arrival on origae 6, and all the characters (including Daniel's) sail off unknowingly towards a horror show and certain death. Ferrying the devil into Eden.
Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on Feb 18, 2019, 09:46:27 PM
As bad as the twist was, my problem was the timing, it happened too quickly. If David transferred his consciousness into Walter, firstly how did he do it? Would he need certain tech, and what about the time frame? It surely would have taken a while, I mean I transfer my spotify over to my memory card and it takes forever! If David killed Walter and took his place, he would have to cut his hair, change it's color, cut off his hand, and match all of Walter's injuries to make him look identical and change into his clothes. The whole thing would have taken up too much time, so it's either bad writing or bad editing, or simply Ridley Scott saying 'f**k it'.
I really didn't see it as him transferring his consciousness over. I'm firmly in the camp of him having just chopped his arm off. The haircut thing was a telegraph of that intent.
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Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on Feb 18, 2019, 09:46:27 PM
As bad as the twist was, my problem was the timing, it happened too quickly. If David transferred his consciousness into Walter, firstly how did he do it? Would he need certain tech, and what about the time frame? It surely would have taken a while, I mean I transfer my spotify over to my memory card and it takes forever! If David killed Walter and took his place, he would have to cut his hair, change it's color, cut off his hand, and match all of Walter's injuries to make him look identical and change into his clothes. The whole thing would have taken up too much time, so it's either bad writing or bad editing, or simply Ridley Scott saying 'f**k it'.
I really didn't see it as him transferring his consciousness over. I'm firmly in the camp of him having just chopped his arm off. The haircut thing was a telegraph of that intent.
Yeah I'm inclined to believe that was the case, but the way it is edited is just too quick, they didn't handle the passage of time too well. He could have replaced him earlier amidst all of the chaos instead of having that awful scene with David trying to kiss Daniels.
Awful? Why?
I like that scene actually. It shows how far David's insanity has gone. And i like when Walter shows up and kick David's ass. Two Fassbenders fighting each other? YEAH!
Agreed! It's fantastic in more way than one.
Lets just say I hope AVPR will maintain its position as the lowest point in the film franchise.
I think you must try very hard to beat it. I mean, VERY hard.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 05:14:40 PM
Awful? Why?
It just bugged me, I don't know whether it was the way it was edited, or written, the whole ending with Walter pinning David to the floor, that lingering few seconds after David reaches for the knife. The whole switch around was just really poorly handled IMO. If people enjoyed it fair enough. I just didn't like it.
Call me crazy but I don't think Alien: Resurrection deserves to be 2nd to last on this list. Not since we have all these new, beautifully messy pieces of garbage to compare it to. ;D
Quote from: Deadmeat on Feb 25, 2019, 03:37:29 PM
Call me crazy but I don't think Alien: Resurrection deserves to be 2nd to last on this list. Not since we have all these new, beautifully messy pieces of garbage to compare it to. ;D
Resurrection is easily better than both AVPs, Predators, and The Predator.
And depending on my mood better than Prometheus (Res and Prommy are at the bottom of my Alien list but I still dig both of them for what they are). Even the "not so great" Alien franchise films are fascinating to me.
honestly i might like resurrection more than the original predator, too
Alien Ranking:
Alien
Aliens/Alien 3
Alien: Covenant
Alien Resurrection/Prometheus
Predator Ranking:
Predator 2
Predator
Predators
The Predator
The AVP movies are both pretty bad but AVPR is bottom of the barrel crap. Worst film overall with an Alien or Predator in it. The Predator is second worst, then AVP.
Quote from: Deadmeat on Feb 25, 2019, 03:37:29 PM
Call me crazy but I don't think Alien: Resurrection deserves to be 2nd to last on this list. Not since we have all these new, beautifully messy pieces of garbage to compare it to. ;D
Oh hellz no, it still deserves to be dead last to me (followed by AvP & The Predator), but the Newborn would like to
lick thank you for your support!
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;D
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Quote from: Deadmeat on Feb 25, 2019, 03:37:29 PM
Call me crazy but I don't think Alien: Resurrection deserves to be 2nd to last on this list. Not since we have all these new, beautifully messy pieces of garbage to compare it to. ;D
Oh hellz no, it still deserves to be dead last to me (followed by AvP & The Predator), but the Newborn would like to lick thank you for your support!
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;D
You didn't acknowledge Nightmare Asylum's high placement of P2.
Be ashamed.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 25, 2019, 04:10:22 PM
You didn't acknowledge Nightmare Asylum's high placement of P2.
Be ashamed.
You're right! I deserve a tar and feathering!!
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 25, 2019, 03:49:09 PM
Predator Ranking:
Predator 2
Predator
Predators
The Predator
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 25, 2019, 04:19:03 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 25, 2019, 04:10:22 PM
You didn't acknowledge Nightmare Asylum's high placement of P2.
Be ashamed.
You're right! I deserve a tar and feathering!!
I still need to be tarred-and-feathered for not voting Drake. Get in line.
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 25, 2019, 04:28:56 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 25, 2019, 04:19:03 PM
Quote from: TheSailingRabbit on Feb 25, 2019, 04:10:22 PM
You didn't acknowledge Nightmare Asylum's high placement of P2.
Be ashamed.
You're right! I deserve a tar and feathering!!
I still need to be tarred-and-feathered for not voting Drake. Get in line.
That you do!!!
Predator 2.
Best Predator movie, or only good Predator movie? Depends on the day.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 25, 2019, 04:32:39 PM
Predator 2.
Best Predator movie, or only good Predator movie? Depends on the day.
Errrr.... what?
Just read your post again.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 25, 2019, 03:49:09 PM
honestly i might like resurrection more than the original predator, too
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Predator is ok. Sometimes I really dig it (Winson's creature stuff is especially fantastic, and is the true highlight of the film) and sometimes it just rubs me the wrong way as being sort of overtly crass. I dunno. It is a really solid movie, and I enjoy watching it from time to time, but I have much more fun with Predator 2 than I do with the first film. It is batshit insane and just completely owns what it is. It's a wild, zany ride and all the better for it.
As for Resurrection, it is pulpy schlock and it suffers from a bad Whedon script, but I find Junet's directing to be incredibly interesting (despite not meshing well with the first three films) and it offers a lot of unique concepts/visuals that I can't help but find interesting.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Feb 25, 2019, 04:46:31 PM
Predator is ok. Sometimes I really dig it (Winson's creature stuff is especially fantastic, and is the true highlight of the film) and sometimes it just rubs me the wrong way as being sort of overtly crass. I dunno. It is a really solid movie, and I enjoy watching it from time to time, but I have much more fun with Predator 2 than I do with the first film. It is batshit insane and just completely owns what it is. It's a wild, zany ride and all the better for it.
As for Resurrection, it is pulpy schlock and it suffers from a bad Whedon script, but I find Junet's directing to be incredibly interesting (despite not meshing well with the first three films) and it offers a lot of unique concepts/visuals that I can't help but find interesting.
Fair enough! :)
Quote from: Deadmeat on Feb 25, 2019, 03:37:29 PMCall me crazy but I don't think Alien: Resurrection deserves to be 2nd to last on this list. Not since we have all these new, beautifully messy pieces of garbage to compare it to. ;D
Completely agree.
I've said it a hundred times - it may not be a very good
Alien sequel, but on it's own it's a thoroughly entertaining (if quirky) movie. Honestly I'd far sooner watch it than just about anything they've made since.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2019, 04:53:20 PM
Quote from: Deadmeat on Feb 25, 2019, 03:37:29 PMCall me crazy but I don't think Alien: Resurrection deserves to be 2nd to last on this list. Not since we have all these new, beautifully messy pieces of garbage to compare it to. ;D
Completely agree.
I've said it a hundred times - it may not be a very good Alien sequel, but on it's own it's a thoroughly entertaining (if quirky) movie. Honestly I'd far sooner watch it than just about anything they've made since.
Yes.
I'm looking forward to the 200th time, anticipating lots of charts and pictures.
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2019, 04:53:20 PM
Quote from: Deadmeat on Feb 25, 2019, 03:37:29 PMCall me crazy but I don't think Alien: Resurrection deserves to be 2nd to last on this list. Not since we have all these new, beautifully messy pieces of garbage to compare it to. ;D
Completely agree.
I've said it a hundred times - it may not be a very good Alien sequel, but on it's own it's a thoroughly entertaining (if quirky) movie. Honestly I'd far sooner watch it than just about anything they've made since.
Yes.
Exactly. It doesn't try too hard to take itself seriously, the characters had more charm to them, and whether you like her character arc or not, Sigourney absoutely
killed her role. Not even a silly premise could force her into a bad performance.
Great movie? Not really. Great Alien movie? Not by a longshot. But I'll take this lovable, entertaining mess over the movies that felt like they were written by a pretentious freshman philosophy major. Who skipped classes.
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Quote from: Huggs on Feb 25, 2019, 05:01:15 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2019, 04:53:20 PM
Quote from: Deadmeat on Feb 25, 2019, 03:37:29 PMCall me crazy but I don't think Alien: Resurrection deserves to be 2nd to last on this list. Not since we have all these new, beautifully messy pieces of garbage to compare it to. ;D
Completely agree.
I've said it a hundred times - it may not be a very good Alien sequel, but on it's own it's a thoroughly entertaining (if quirky) movie. Honestly I'd far sooner watch it than just about anything they've made since.
Yes.
Exactly. It doesn't try too hard to take itself seriously, the characters had more charm to them, and whether you like her character arc or not, Sigourney absoutely killed her role. Not even a silly premise could force her into a bad performance.
Great movie? Not really. Great Alien movie? Not by a longshot. But I'll take this lovable, entertaining mess over the movies that felt like they were written by a pretentious freshman philosophy major. Who skipped classes.
Being the weakest of the original quadralogy I found it much more better than the two AVP movies, "Prometheus" and of course "Alien Covenant".
And "Alien 3" the alternative cut maybe is a better movie, but Jean Pierre Jeunet´s one is less boring and much more entertaining.
Nah, the first three Alien films are leagues beyond Resurrection.
Not to some people.
I said AvP (i think possibly 4+ years ago), but The Predator has happened since then.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 05, 2019, 07:16:26 AM
Nah, the first three Alien films are leagues beyond Resurrection.
"no"
Yes. But NA's equally correct.
For all the issues The Predator may have, it's still done nothing to replace Requiem as unquestionably the biggest cinematic turd in the franchise.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 17, 2019, 08:28:26 PM
For all the issues The Predator may have, it's still done nothing to replace Requiem as unquestionably the biggest cinematic turd in the franchise.
According to this poll, the next turd in line is Alien Resurrection. ;D
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10+ years ago.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 17, 2019, 11:24:14 PM
10+ years ago.
So when they voted Alien Resurrection as the worst film of them all 10+ years ago, even worse than AVP Requiem, do you think Resurrection has since aged like a fine wine? ;)
10+ Years ago, Requiem's the worst film, the first place.
Resurrection, the second place, AVP the third place.
The Predator usurped the title of worst legitimate film, Requiem's barely a film.
Quote from: The Old One on Mar 17, 2019, 11:47:25 PM
10+ Years ago, Requiem's the worst film, the first place.
Resurrection, the second place, AVP the third place.
The Predator usurped the title of worst legitimate film, Requiem's barely a film.
Sez you!
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I dunno, that's kind of an interesting way to look at it.
Requiem was a cheap, rushed cash-grab. The Predator had significant time, money and talent poured into it, and wasn't rushed off the coattails of another film. Requiem is still terrible, but has more reasons to be terrible than The Predator.
Although I still go with "they're both so bad I don't see the point in trying to figure out which is worse".
Did you buy a copy of AvPR?
AvP is the worst. Requiem has the sheer spectacle of its faults, as does The Predator, and both have a kind of buck-toothed, inbred charm to them if you can however briefly look past the lore destruction and incoherent nonsense. AvP commits the deadliest sin of all, just being completely dull in both story and creature effects. It's not even worth a good cringe, it just happens and i don't really care.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 17, 2019, 11:22:23 PMAccording to this poll, the next turd in line is Alien Resurrection. ;D
Dafuq does the poll know :P
In fairness, I guess the poll is asking
least favourite movie, not worst.
Resurrection is fundamentally a far superior movie to the leading runners-up in every way, but I can see why a lot of people hate it because tonally it's seriously out of whack with the rest.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 18, 2019, 01:01:25 AMRequiem was a cheap, rushed cash-grab. The Predator had significant time, money and talent poured into it, and wasn't rushed off the coattails of another film. Requiem is still terrible, but has more reasons to be terrible than The Predator.
I still feel like most of
The Predator's biggest flaws were the result of it being messed with in post.
Requiem was just always that shit.
Covenant is worse than Resurrection
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 17, 2019, 11:22:23 PMAccording to this poll, the next turd in line is Alien Resurrection. ;D
Dafuq does the poll know :P
Don't ya mean DaFuk? I knew you were going to respond. ;D
QuoteIn fairness, I guess the poll is asking least favourite movie, not worst. Resurrection is fundamentally a far superior movie to the leading runners-up in every way, but I can see why a lot of people hate it because tonally it's seriously out of whack with the rest.
I was watching Leprechaun yesterday saying to myself "boy this is really stupid", but I have to admit it was stupid fun. Light-hearted stupid fun. But to many, including me, there's nothing less entertaining than a stupid movie that tries to take itself seriously. And that to me is what Resurrection is, where The Predator never takes itself seriously and therefore is less insulting. That's the best way I can describe it.
Quote from: [CANCERBLACK] on Mar 18, 2019, 07:10:15 AM
AvP is the worst. Requiem has the sheer spectacle of its faults, as does The Predator, and both have a kind of buck-toothed, inbred charm to them if you can however briefly look past the lore destruction and incoherent nonsense. AvP commits the deadliest sin of all, just being completely dull in both story and creature effects. It's not even worth a good cringe, it just happens and i don't really care.
You have just explained a great deal why AvP is my second least favorite A & P film! Kudos!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 18, 2019, 12:06:49 PMDon't ya mean DaFuk? I knew you were going to respond. ;D
:P
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 18, 2019, 12:06:49 PMBut to many, including me, there's nothing less entertaining than a stupid movie that tries to take itself seriously. And that to me is what Resurrection is, where The Predator never takes itself seriously and therefore is less insulting.
I wouldn't say
Resurrection is necessarily taking itself seriously - bits of it are very clearly meant to be comedy - but it definitely has a strange mix of comedy and darkness going on and I get why that wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. It's very French in that regard.
I've said it myself, I don't think it's a very good
Alien film. But I think it's more competent (at what it's trying to be) and I'd far sooner rewatch it than any of the movies they've made since, with the possible exception of
Predators.
Plus if you take Resurrection as a parody/satire, it works. As a serious entry into the series it doesn't because its too wacky.
The Predator had done the same, though it is worse because Resurrection is at least coherent whereas The Predator had to be reshot a few times and it shows.
Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on Mar 18, 2019, 11:52:18 AM
Covenant is worse than Resurrection
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Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on Mar 18, 2019, 11:52:18 AM
Covenant is worse than Resurrection
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You need to stop hanging around me and Voodoo and Huggs. :laugh:
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Quote from: LastSonofKrypton on Mar 18, 2019, 11:52:18 AM
Covenant is worse than Resurrection
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Spread your cheeks and fly.
Looks like its time to nuke.
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"The power of gas propels you!"
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 02, 2019, 09:32:31 PM
"The power of gas propels you!"
Aw, shit, he's gonna light a match at a chili festival.
Run for your lives!
Too late.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SaYUqXAmXRQ
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I voted Alien3. But it's not my least favorite, least, in my opinion means you like it less out of all the others. But I don't like it at all. Aliens is my all time favorite film, and I think Alien3 made it completely pointless. I feel Alien3 made them go through all that for nothing, and I refuse to to accept that. And yes, I've seen the Assembly Cut, I hated it too. Don't see how a few extra scenes, an alternate birth scene, more expansion on the Golic character, and Ripley's alternate death scene makes it a better movie. The heroes of Aliens still all died for nothing.
It's not part of my headcanon, I don't like Alien3, I don't watch it, I don't own it, I don't want it, so it doesn't exist to me. To me, the end of the Alien timeline is Aliens, nothing happened after that.
Disliking any of the first three Alien films' just poor taste.
Quote from: Number13 on Apr 18, 2019, 10:36:12 PM
I voted Alien3. But it's not my least favorite, least, in my opinion means you like it less out of all the others. But I don't like it at all. Aliens is my all time favorite film, and I think Alien3 made it completely pointless. I feel Alien3 made them go through all that for nothing, and I refuse to to accept that. And yes, I've seen the Assembly Cut, I hated it too. Don't see how a few extra scenes, an alternate birth scene, more expansion on the Golic character, and Ripley's alternate death scene makes it a better movie. The heroes of Aliens still all died for nothing.
It's not part of my headcanon, I don't like Alien3, I don't watch it, I don't own it, I don't want it, so it doesn't exist to me. To me, the end of the Alien timeline is Aliens, nothing happened after that.
Don't worry. Disnox retcon incoming, me thinks.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Apr 18, 2019, 10:43:36 PM
Disliking any of the first three Alien films' just poor taste.
Hey I like Alien3 and AvPR, so where does that put me on your poor taste barometer?
Now you change your statement to the first two Alien films and the general populace would agree, so remember that taste is personal! :)
I bet Alien 3 is also Cameron's least favorite movie, heck probably Fincher as well, seems like it was a traumatic experience for him.
Too bad they don't know that ACM fixed it. :P
Quote from: The Old One on Apr 18, 2019, 10:38:54 PM
Ugh, pointless right.
The testing of the Prisoners, the "worst" of humanity saving humanity.
It's anything but pointless. It's pointed.
I was referring to Ripley, Hicks, Newt, and Bishop. Not the prisoners, who I could care less about.
I know.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Apr 18, 2019, 10:43:36 PM
Disliking any of the first three Alien films' just poor taste.
People have called me worse than having poor taste. Can't help it if Alien3, in my opinion, made my all time favorite movie, Aliens, utterly pointless.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 18, 2019, 11:02:12 PM
Quote from: Number13 on Apr 18, 2019, 10:36:12 PM
I voted Alien3. But it's not my least favorite, least, in my opinion means you like it less out of all the others. But I don't like it at all. Aliens is my all time favorite film, and I think Alien3 made it completely pointless. I feel Alien3 made them go through all that for nothing, and I refuse to to accept that. And yes, I've seen the Assembly Cut, I hated it too. Don't see how a few extra scenes, an alternate birth scene, more expansion on the Golic character, and Ripley's alternate death scene makes it a better movie. The heroes of Aliens still all died for nothing.
It's not part of my headcanon, I don't like Alien3, I don't watch it, I don't own it, I don't want it, so it doesn't exist to me. To me, the end of the Alien timeline is Aliens, nothing happened after that.
Don't worry. Disnox retcon incoming, me thinks.
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Apr 18, 2019, 10:43:36 PM
Disliking any of the first three Alien films' just poor taste.
Hey I like Alien3 and AvPR, so where does that put me on your poor taste barometer?
Now you change your statement to the first two Alien films and the general populace would agree, so remember that taste is personal! :)
Thank you for being nice Voodoo Magic. I knew I would get criticism on this statement, I voiced my opinion, people can ridicule me amongst themselves, I don't care, I'm not gonna pay attention to this thread. I have Alien and Aliens, and that's all I need.
Quote from: Number13 on Apr 19, 2019, 12:09:34 AM
Quote from: Erik Lehnsherr on Apr 18, 2019, 10:43:36 PM
Disliking any of the first three Alien films' just poor taste.
People have called me worse than having poor taste. Can't help it if Alien3, in my opinion, made my all time favorite movie, Aliens, utterly pointless.
How does it make aliens pointless?
The killing Hicks and Newt thing I guess.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Apr 19, 2019, 12:19:45 AM
The killing Hicks and Newt thing I guess.
Well duh. Well mostly Newt. Mostly. I'm not going to argue, I'm done trying to convince. I'm just saying that Ripley went into the belly of the beast to save the child. Then the child dies five minutes later. Yeah, that's not a ripoff or pointless at all.
Don't give me that "shit happens" BS. I rest my case, and keep it rested. There is nothing more I can say. You can call me a freak, I just care about the characters who survived Aliens. Without Alien3, Aliens is the perfect ending for those characters, I refuse to accept that was all for nothing.
I'm going to walk away now.
Logical fallacy.
As if LOGAN rendered Days of Future Past and First Class' stories pointless, it's a non-argument.
I care about Ripley's story more-so because of the events of all three films,
and the time spent with Hicks and Newt's all the sweeter (perhaps bittersweet) because of their eventual fate.
Same as the crew of the Nostromo, the crew of the Sulaco, Bishop, Clemens, Dillion and Aaron.
Quote from: Number13 on Apr 19, 2019, 01:50:56 AMI'm just saying that Ripley went into the belly of the beast to save the child. Then the child dies five minutes later. Yeah, that's not a ripoff or pointless at all.
It's not pointless. It's showing how tenacious and dangerous the Alien really is. You might think you've won, you might think you've got away and survived, but it'll keep coming, and it's completely merciless.
Of all the arguments against the deaths of Hicks and Newt, I really don't think "it renders the second movie pointless" is a valid one. If anything it's a pretty strong embodiment of Ash's "perfect organism" speech in the first film.
Quote from: Number13 on Apr 19, 2019, 01:50:56 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Apr 19, 2019, 12:19:45 AM
The killing Hicks and Newt thing I guess.
Well duh. Well mostly Newt. Mostly. I'm not going to argue, I'm done trying to convince. I'm just saying that Ripley went into the belly of the beast to save the child. Then the child dies five minutes later. Yeah, that's not a ripoff or pointless at all.
Don't give me that "shit happens" BS. I rest my case, and keep it rested. There is nothing more I can say. You can call me a freak, I just care about the characters who survived Aliens. Without Alien3, Aliens is the perfect ending for those characters, I refuse to accept that was all for nothing.
I'm going to walk away now.
1. The child doesn't die 5 minutes later, she dies in the next film.
2. Sh*t does indeed happen and with great regularity. Sometimes to extreme levels. It's an inescapable fact of life.
3. It's entirely possible to become too invested in a work of fiction.
Quote from: Number13 on Apr 19, 2019, 01:50:56 AM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Apr 19, 2019, 12:19:45 AM
The killing Hicks and Newt thing I guess.
Well duh. Well mostly Newt. Mostly. I'm not going to argue, I'm done trying to convince. I'm just saying that Ripley went into the belly of the beast to save the child. Then the child dies five minutes later. Yeah, that's not a ripoff or pointless at all.
Don't give me that "shit happens" BS. I rest my case, and keep it rested. There is nothing more I can say. You can call me a freak, I just care about the characters who survived Aliens. Without Alien3, Aliens is the perfect ending for those characters, I refuse to accept that was all for nothing.
I'm going to walk away now.
I liked Hicks and Newt, I have no problem with people that hate Alien 3 due to their deaths, I can understand even if I'm ok with Alien 3. Cheers.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Apr 20, 2019, 12:02:30 AM
Cheers.
Why is it whenever someone says "with all due respect", they really mean "kiss my ass"? -A.W
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Quote from: Samhain13 on Apr 20, 2019, 12:02:30 AM
Cheers.
Why is it whenever someone says "with all due respect", they really mean "kiss my ass"? -A.W
Wat. Projecting maybe.
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Quote from: Samhain13 on Apr 20, 2019, 12:02:30 AM
Cheers.
Why is it whenever someone says "with all due respect", they really mean "kiss my ass"? -A.W
Down here, we say "bless your heart".
Hey guys and gals, with all do respect.
Old One's the best. Most don't realize this but I do cuz I'm a genius.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 21, 2019, 02:38:07 AM
Old One's the best. Most don't realize this but I do cuz I'm a genius.
Indeed she is.
You're a might sauced brother.
Back on track please.
Apologies for the fawners.
Avpr is my least favorite (like most of us) followed by alien resu....... we shall not name it lol
AVPR < The Predator < AVP < Predator 2 < Prometheus < Alien Covenant < Predators < Alien 3 < Alien Resurrection
Predator 2 so low? How very, very dare you!!!
Predator 2 > Predator
Are you feeling better now ?
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 23, 2019, 10:29:32 PM
Predator 2 > Predator
Are you feeling better now ?
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To be fair, Requiem is winning this by a landslide. P2 isn't that low.
As it should be.
Cannot argue with that in the slightest.
Actually, I was just reacting to Frosty's post before mine. My bad for not quoting it:
Quote from: Frosty Venom on Sep 22, 2019, 02:10:22 AM
AVPR < The Predator < AVP < Predator 2 < Prometheus < Alien Covenant < Predators < Alien 3 < Alien Resurrection
So Predator is the less hated movie of them all. Good.
I'm still debating if I should change my vote from AR to The Predator.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 24, 2019, 04:42:34 PM
So Predator is the less hated movie of them all. Good.
I'm still debating if I should change my vote from AR to The Predator.
No. Keep your AR hate strong. :)
Very tempted to remove my old AVPR vote and slap that onto the abomination known as "The Predator." It's been a year and I'm still heated over that lumpy turd.
Quote from: Predboy on Sep 24, 2019, 08:40:37 PM
Very tempted to remove my old AVPR vote and slap that onto the abomination known as "The Predator." It's been a year and I'm still heated over that lumpy turd.
I'm curious. Is a "lumpy turd" worse than a turd? Enquiring minds want to know.
Spoiler
;D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 24, 2019, 09:42:13 PM
I'm curious. Is a "lumpy turd" worse than a turd? Enquiring minds want to know.
Spoiler
;D
A lumpy turd can be a literal pain in the ass to deal with when pushing out on the toilet. It's annoying and generally something you don't want to deal with. A well formed and smooth turd on the other hand goes right out without any fuss, and can be quite pleasant and relieving. :)
My God . Such an thoughtful conversation is going on here .
Only the most hardcore fans are fit to handle talks like this.
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Quote from: Kradan on Sep 24, 2019, 10:23:59 PM
My God . Such an thoughtful conversation is going on here .
Fecal Malformation is serious business.
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Quote from: Kradan on Sep 24, 2019, 10:23:59 PM
My God . Such an thoughtful conversation is going on here .
Fecal Malformation is serious business.
This will never not be funny.
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Quote from: Kradan on Sep 24, 2019, 10:23:59 PM
My God . Such an thoughtful conversation is going on here .
Fecal Malformation is serious business.
As well as gas matters coming from your back hole ?
Holy crap! I leave for 2 hours and return to a sh*t storm! :D
Time to get this thread on track and finally all agree that Alien Resurrection is our least favorite film!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Sep 25, 2019, 12:05:44 AM
Holy crap! I leave for 2 hours and return to a sh*t storm! :D
Time to get this thread on track and finally all agree that Alien Resurrection is our least favorite film!
He - he, nope . ;D
The Predator is bad, but it's not AvPR bad. Very few films will achieve that.
^ This.
The next podcast will be Hicks comparing The Predator and AvP:R.
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While we await the glorious interview with Mark Rolston.
We are revisiting The Predator for our next episode. AvPR will come up.
When is it going to be ? I hardly can wait !
I am seriously dissapointed to see alien 3/Prometheus/covenant/avp with any votes.
The predator deserves its hate but at least it was funny. Avpr/AR just hurt my brain
AVPR was a shit storm that broke the avp franchise lmfao, still havent got another 1, Dam stupid ass aliens lol
And alien resurrection is fun but seriously the only way the alien species was gonna procreate was the newborn with ripley and that's f**king gross lmfao.
Quote from: TYRANTKINGALIEN on Sep 26, 2019, 04:15:09 PM
I am seriously dissapointed to see alien 3/Prometheus/covenant/avp with any votes.
The predator deserves its hate but at least it was funny. Avpr/AR just hurt my brain
AVPR was a shit storm that broke the avp franchise lmfao, still havent got another 1, Dam stupid ass aliens lol
And alien resurrection is fun but seriously the only way the alien species was gonna procreate was the newborn with ripley and that's f**king gross lmfao.
Wasn't the newborn a female? I doubt they'd have been able to procreate, unless it was like a facehugger where out of its "opening" on it's lower abdomen came out a...well lets just call it a firehose. lol
Quote from: Predboy on Sep 27, 2019, 02:21:49 PMWasn't the newborn a female?
I think the intention was that it was a hermaphrodite, hence the half-and-half genitals they had to edit out in post.
In-between in appearance anyway.
Yeah hearing the directors (Jean????) original ideas along with the doctor in the queen chamber.
It's pretty obvious the newborn was going to propagate the species with ripley......
Yeah it's the only thing that would make since,
How else would the newborn secure the species?
Anyways.
Avpr and resurection thankfully are more hated than anything else at the moment.
It's a freak of nature. I doubt it was able to propagate a species.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Oct 04, 2019, 09:23:51 PM
It's a freak of nature. I doubt it was able to propagate a species.
I dont even know if I can say this but here goes lol.
The newborn had both equipment nececary for male or female mating. (Vomit)
It had a giant belly Gina with a dick hanging out of it lmfao. I'm thinking it would have ended up being a rapey monster, With ripley being its first victim. (Jhoner might have f**ked it.... lmfao)
It seemed malformed.
If anything, I imagine it would undergo some sort of asexual reproduction.
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 05, 2019, 12:09:44 AM
It seemed malformed.
If anything, I imagine it would undergo some sort of asexual reproduction.
I figured the whole "she is giving birth for you ripley"
Along with the directors thoughts kinda confirms it.
The aliens 1 weakness is they have to have hosts to propagate.
The newborn and ripley wouldent need a host.....
Blech lol
Just because it has all the parts does not mean they actually work.
I thought Gediman's ravings were that of a lunatic and not more.
Don't forget this whole gene splicing process that has the newborn as it's apex is not some evolution of the original but more of a freak accident like the rest of the failed clones.
And they kinda would need hosts even in the case you make, I doubt the process of giving birth to potential offspring is survivable for humans.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Oct 05, 2019, 03:30:53 PM
Don't forget this whole gene splicing process that has the newborn as it's apex is not some evolution of the original but more of a freak accident like the rest of the failed clones.
And they kinda would need hosts even in the case you make, I doubt the process of giving birth to potential offspring is survivable for humans.
What you said is exactly how i imagine it. It was a mutant. (Gross gross GROSS MUTANT) but it was born from the queen, so it wasn't necessarily an acident ????
I think the doctors (geidman, thanks) ideas were the directors way of saying what he wanted to convey without openly saying it.
And the process of mating would not have been survivable for ripley or any human.
I hate the end of resurection.
The first hour is actually kinda cool and a little funny, just wish for the ending they would have had the queen chase her through the ship or somthing, and that would have been cool.
Quote from: TYRANTKINGALIEN on Oct 05, 2019, 06:06:43 PM
Quote from: The Kurgan on Oct 05, 2019, 03:30:53 PM
Don't forget this whole gene splicing process that has the newborn as it's apex is not some evolution of the original but more of a freak accident like the rest of the failed clones.
And they kinda would need hosts even in the case you make, I doubt the process of giving birth to potential offspring is survivable for humans.
What you said is exactly how i imagine it. It was a mutant. (Gross gross GROSS MUTANT) but it was born from the queen, so it wasn't necessarily an acident ????
No idea if it was a conscious decision on the queens part to switch from eggs to uterus, but it was not planned that the queen had inherited human traits in the first place. At least Gediman implied it was not planned that she stopped laying eggs.
Quote from: TYRANTKINGALIEN on Oct 05, 2019, 06:06:43 PM
I think the doctors (geidman, thanks) ideas were the directors way of saying what he wanted to convey without openly saying it.
And the process of mating would not have been survivable for ripley or any human.
Maybe. But if you need a new "partner" for every procreation, where is the advantage to the egg\host system? Or do you mean the potential new newborns would procreate with each other?
We have no idea if they would even look alike or even be superficial compatible. For alle we know each descendant would be one of a kind, like the Riply clones.
Never thought about it that way but your definitely right.
Each consequtive breeding would have the alien DNA contaminated with human DNA more and more. So it would be the de-evolution of the alien to a more human state. (That's 1 hell of a way to wipe out the species... in the end we f**ked em to death lmfao)
Or maybe the newborn would just lay it's own weird eggs? that would grew into more newborns? leading to a species that doesent need hosts.
Still hate the newborn no matter how I look at it.
Quote from: TYRANTKINGALIEN on Oct 05, 2019, 09:01:28 PM
Still hate the newborn no matter how I look at it.
This man be speaking my language!
Quote from: The Kurgan on Oct 05, 2019, 06:21:21 PM
...do you mean the potential new newborns would procreate with each other?
Hoooeeeeiii!!!!
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I don't know what's going on here... but I know I don't like it. lol
Alien Resurrection: UDC
Unrated Director's Cut?
No
It's the Uncle Dad Cut
I see, I think.
I mean, each xeno comes from a different host, so...I don't think they're technically inbred.
But if they somehow started mating with each other than...yeah. You'd have um...something different.
If it's even possible.
Yes, quite so.
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 08, 2019, 12:37:25 AM
I mean, each xeno comes from a different host, so...I don't think they're technically inbred.
But if they somehow started mating with each other than...yeah. You'd have um...something different.
Remember when an Alien mated with a garbage bag?
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Haha, that's clever !
Wow I took this thread to a dark place lmfao.
I'm glad you all have the same confused notions about the newborn as I do, luckily we all agree it was bad.
The newborn is the twilight zone of the alien franchise lol.
Quote from: Kradan on Oct 11, 2019, 12:39:23 AM
Haha, that's clever !
It's the test machine for the Aliens queen.
Quote from: TYRANTKINGALIEN on Oct 11, 2019, 04:55:15 AM
Wow I took this thread to a dark place lmfao.
I'm glad you all have the same confused notions about the newborn as I do, luckily we all agree it was bad.
The newborn is the twilight zone of the alien franchise lol.
I disagree that it was bad. Your severe reaction to it proves exactly how effective the design was.
I would have prefered if they had keept some kind of dome on it. I get why they gave it eyes, but I think eyeless works way better. Looks better and is way less goofy.
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Quote from: The Kurgan on Oct 11, 2019, 08:31:46 AM
I would have prefered if they had keept some kind of dome on it. I get why they gave it eyes, but I think eyeless works way better. Looks better and is way less goofy.
https://alienseries.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/the-newborn.png?w=381&h=593
I think everyone would have liked it to have a dome and be more detailed - the betrayal of that expectation makes it a more effective "abomination", it helps the audience hate and revile the thing that should never have been born.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Oct 11, 2019, 08:31:46 AM
I would have prefered if they had keept some kind of dome on it. I get why they gave it eyes, but I think eyeless works way better. Looks better and is way less goofy.
https://alienseries.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/the-newborn.png?w=381&h=593
I like that actually. It's quite horrific.
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Quote from: The Kurgan on Oct 11, 2019, 08:31:46 AM
I would have prefered if they had keept some kind of dome on it. I get why they gave it eyes, but I think eyeless works way better. Looks better and is way less goofy.
https://alienseries.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/the-newborn.png?w=381&h=593
I think everyone would have liked it to have a dome and be more detailed - the betrayal of that expectation makes it a more effective "abomination", it helps the audience hate and revile the thing that should never have been born.
I think many to most are hating and reviling it not for the reasons intended though. Perhaps if it was in a film that embraced those concepts better and filmed in a better way, maybe the Newborn
as is would receive less criticism and loathing than it does. Maybe it would be more effective and less comical. Unfortunately, we'll never know. Ultimately it's sadly just a bad goofy creation to me. :-\
Quote from: The Kurgan on Oct 11, 2019, 08:31:46 AM
I would have prefered if they had keept some kind of dome on it. I get why they gave it eyes, but I think eyeless works way better. Looks better and is way less goofy.
https://alienseries.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/the-newborn.png?w=381&h=593
I'll second that. The face of the Newborn must be the only case in which skull-like features look ridiculous in a morph design.
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Quote from: The Kurgan on Oct 11, 2019, 08:31:46 AM
I would have prefered if they had keept some kind of dome on it. I get why they gave it eyes, but I think eyeless works way better. Looks better and is way less goofy.
https://alienseries.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/the-newborn.png?w=381&h=593
I'll second that. The face of the Newborn must be the only case in which skull-like features look ridiculous in a morph design.
I think you thirded it! 8)
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Quote from: The Kurgan on Oct 11, 2019, 08:31:46 AM
I would have prefered if they had keept some kind of dome on it. I get why they gave it eyes, but I think eyeless works way better. Looks better and is way less goofy.
https://alienseries.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/the-newborn.png?w=381&h=593
I'll second that. The face of the Newborn must be the only case in which skull-like features look ridiculous in a morph design.
I think you thirded it! 8)
Oh! you're right, I third that then ;D
Great minds...! ;)
Quote from: The Kurgan on Oct 11, 2019, 08:31:46 AM
I would have prefered if they had keept some kind of dome on it. I get why they gave it eyes, but I think eyeless works way better. Looks better and is way less goofy.
https://alienseries.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/the-newborn.png?w=381&h=593
These tits. They terrify me.
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Quote from: The Kurgan on Oct 11, 2019, 08:31:46 AM
I would have prefered if they had keept some kind of dome on it. I get why they gave it eyes, but I think eyeless works way better. Looks better and is way less goofy.
https://alienseries.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/the-newborn.png?w=381&h=593
These tits. They terrify me.
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Grandma?
Dear Lordy Hicks, Huggs . . . :laugh:
Quote from: Huggs on Oct 13, 2019, 06:10:26 PM
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That's one ugly motherf**ker.
I never had a problem with the Newborn design. Its disguisting horrific and pitiful at the same time. It isnt cheesy either, and a kind of thing like this, a mutant hybrid, could have been executed ridiculously. Its better than every design in Prometheus and Covenant sans Alien itself
The Neomorph is miles ahead of everything in Resurrection, Prometheus and Covenant, although the Praetomorph is alright.
Quote from: The Kurgan on Oct 11, 2019, 08:31:46 AM
I would have prefered if they had keept some kind of dome on it. I get why they gave it eyes, but I think eyeless works way better. Looks better and is way less goofy.
https://alienseries.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/the-newborn.png?w=381&h=593
It appears this creature is of certain age and possible had several children.
Predators 2010 is my least favorite. It feels like a cheap copy for the first Predator and it tries to hard.
That is just an assessment I am never ever going to agree with. :'(
I disagree it's a cheap copy but golly do I agree it tries too hard.
Eric Forman should've stayed in the basement where he belonged. Point blank.
His character was an interesting idea, just not realized fantastically.
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Mar 11, 2020, 07:19:17 AM
Predators 2010 is my least favorite. It feels like a cheap copy for the first Predator and it tries to hard.
I wouldn't personally call it cheap, but it's definitely a retread. As Stitch masterfully put it... "It's more than a homage, and less than a remake."
I still enjoy Predators, but that aspect definitely still detracts from it.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Mar 11, 2020, 09:03:45 AM
His character was an interesting idea, just not realized fantastically.
I thought it was a neat little twist, it was something I definitely didn't see coming.
Surely we can all agree that Adrien Brody was the worst casting choice to play Royce.
The casting was wrong... and yet I really like what he did with the role.
Me too
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Mar 11, 2020, 05:52:58 PM
Surely we can all agree that Adrien Brody was the worst casting choice to play Royce.
Come on ! I smell a troll ;D
You are suggesting that I am the troll to cover your own tracks. Oldest trick in the book. ;D
Yeah, I'm pretty unimaginative :D
Anyway, Brody was awesome in that role. Cool, ruthless, careless to anyone beside himself and yet still human.
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Mar 11, 2020, 05:52:58 PM
Surely we can all agree that Adrien Brody was the worst casting choice to play Royce.
Yeah, I have to agree he wasn't the best choice, but The Predator's casting was far worse than Predators' in my humble opinion.
But overall, to me, Predator works best when the humans are more exaggerated, larger than life, comicbook exaggerated humans. Character actors are more suited for an Alien film, not Predator. To me the Predator's Boyd Holbrook belongs in Alien film not Predator, and Alien Resurrection's larger than life Ron Perlman is more suited for Predator in my eyes. The two franchises call for different things.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 11, 2020, 07:44:57 PM
The casting was wrong... and yet I really like what he did with the role.
The whole Tiger pose/deep breathing thing he had going on trying to sell the manliness near the end was a bit cringy. Other than that, he did alright, even with the batman voice.
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Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Mar 11, 2020, 05:52:58 PM
Surely we can all agree that Adrien Brody was the worst casting choice to play Royce.
Yeah, I have to agree he wasn't the best choice, but The Predator's casting was far worse than Predators' in my humble opinion.
But overall, to me, Predator works best when the humans are more exaggerated, larger than life, comicbook exaggerated humans. Character actors are more suited for an Alien film, not Predator. To me the Predator's Boyd Holbrook belongs in Alien film not Predator, and Alien Resurrection's larger than life Ron Perlman is more suited for Predator in my eyes. The two franchises call for different things.
Have you just badmouth The Predator ?
Spoiler
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For me characters of The Predator is what saves it from being unwatchable/unenjoyable trash.
Boyd Holbrook...in Alien? He should be catering, not acting.
Holbrook was great in it. I really don't see the problem with him.
I have released the Kradan!!! ;D
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 12, 2020, 05:51:55 AM
Boyd Holbrook...in Alien? He should be catering, not acting.
:laugh:
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 12, 2020, 09:54:44 AM
Holbrook was great in it. I really don't see the problem with him.
You're too kind. Boyd was decent in Narcos, and would likely be equally decent in a more character driven, realistic role... but as a wise-cracking, ass-kicking, Predator stomping hero? That's not him. He can't sell it. "You shove me again and I'll break your neck"? Yeah, uh no, go get your cookie now and have some milk. To me, I can see the problems with The Predator as clear as my face and the casting of Boyd was one of the big ones. He belongs back in time competing for the role of Dallas in AvP-R, not this. :)
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Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Mar 11, 2020, 05:52:58 PM
Surely we can all agree that Adrien Brody was the worst casting choice to play Royce.
Yeah, I have to agree he wasn't the best choice, but The Predator's casting was far worse than Predators' in my humble opinion.
Disagree there. Emphatically with the c/d lister comment regarding Holbrook in the post above. My only issue with Brody's was the batman voice. Other than that, I really enjoyed him. Same as Holbrook in The Predator. No, he wasn't Arnold, but we're not in the 80s anymore and I think trying to replicate that kind of casting would only get laughed at by the masses.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 11, 2020, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Mar 11, 2020, 05:52:58 PM
Surely we can all agree that Adrien Brody was the worst casting choice to play Royce.
Yeah, I have to agree he wasn't the best choice, but The Predator's casting was far worse than Predators' in my humble opinion.
Disagree there. Emphatically with the c/d lister comment regarding Holbrook in the post above. My only issue with Brody's was the batman voice. Other than that, I really enjoyed him. Same as Holbrook in The Predator. No, he wasn't Arnold, but we're not in the 80s anymore and I think trying to replicate that kind of casting would only get laughed at by the masses.
No one gave complaints Boyd wasn't Arnold. Danny Glover isn't Arnold and worked wonderfully. I'm saying Boyd doesn't have the gravitas, the stuff to pull off the wise-cracking, ass-kicking, hero. Just his tough-guy debriefing scene alone to see if McKenna saw an alien to me was so forced and cringe-worthy. It comes off as desperately acting tough versus conveying tough. But who nearby really had the chops to be that lead protagonist character ironically? Sterling K. Brown. 100% That man has it.
He oozed don't-f*ck-with-me. I would have preferred him in the lead, no doubt. That whole movie needs a recasting imo.
Back to Brody, I don't hate him in his role. I just felt there were better choices imo.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2020, 01:45:17 PMDanny Glover isn't Arnold and worked wonderfully.
Glover was just as miscast in the second Predator film. He pulls it off because he's a good actor, but he never feels like the right choice for the film.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 12, 2020, 01:47:50 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 12, 2020, 01:45:17 PMDanny Glover isn't Arnold and worked wonderfully.
Glover was just as miscast in the second Predator film. He pulls it off because he's a good actor, but he never feels like the right choice for the film.
Filming in 1990, if you could recast, who would you have preferred back then with Arnold out of the picture?
I think Danny Glover was alright. It may have to do with Danny hardly being known for his 'action' roles.
Everyone saw him as Murtagh...
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I thought Danny killed it in P2.
There might be a minor flaw or two in that movie, but he ain't one of em'.
To me he's exactly like Brody in Predators - really good in the role, but somehow completely wrong for it.
Then asking again, knowing the stars in 1990, who would you have cast in it? There's no wrong answer, just trying to click into your perspective. :)
Quote from: Huggs on Mar 15, 2020, 03:42:46 AM
I thought Danny killed it in P2.
There might be a minor flaw or two in that movie, but he ain't one of em'.
Huggsy my man!
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 15, 2020, 11:09:54 AM
Huggsy my man!
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 15, 2020, 11:09:54 AMThen asking again, knowing the stars in 1990, who would you have cast in it? There's no wrong answer, just trying to click into your perspective. :)
I don't know to be honest. But I can say Danny Glover would never even cross my mind.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Mar 16, 2020, 08:39:14 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 15, 2020, 11:09:54 AMThen asking again, knowing the stars in 1990, who would you have cast in it? There's no wrong answer, just trying to click into your perspective. :)
I don't know to be honest. But I can say Danny Glover would never even cross my mind.
Well for Royce I would have personally loved Wesley Snipes. My first pick would have been Denzel Washington but fat chance getting him in 1990.
Bruce Willis.
Haha. No. ;D
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Don't be such a hater. Bruce Willis can handle anything.
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pretty funny (and totally expected!) to see AvP:R "win" this!! it couldn't be anything else really. all the other movies have something going for them or at least some interesting ideas.or you can see they were striving for something but failed.
even the first AvP you can enjoy on the level of a schlocky knockabout action movie.
whereas AvP:R is just totally worthless.
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And how dare you use a gif from such a good movie to defend such a worthless one :P
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To answer the topic at hand, The Predator. I was floored and my mouth was literally open at the shock of how incredibly bad is and how an adult could write such script, nevermind direct it and who green lit it to go to theaters? Transformers cartoon is more mature and targeted for an older audience than this ridiculousness. AVP:R is a horror masterpiece next to it. Its like a fan made youtube movie. Characters are caricatures, nothing is in any way believable or grounded, oh I can go on and on but I don't feel like talking about something I completely don't care for. I think a lot of us know how bad it is. There can be movies that are bad but still very very enjoyable for multitude of reasons. This has nothing. Like a said, a youtube film made by a fan that threw everything in it for joke
The Predator's opening scene in Mexico is better than all of AVP:R put together.
The whole lab escape sequence too.
Other than the Predator just waking up and getting off the table like he's simply got bored of lying there, yeah.
I especially love when grabs the assault rifle off a dead guard and starts mowing guys down with it. That was ace.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 16, 2020, 08:33:53 AM
The Predator's opening scene in Mexico is better than all of AVP:R put together.
Ugh, no way. From the tough-guy wannabe cringe-worthy bet, to Quinn putting on the tech and accidentally firing yet hitting the Predator, it's so rough to sit through (for me).
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 16, 2020, 09:21:54 AM
The whole lab escape sequence too.
Now that was fun. I wish the whole movie took place in that lab and corresponding Stargate facility under lockdown.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 16, 2020, 09:50:24 AM
Other than the Predator just waking up and getting off the table like he's simply got bored of lying there, yeah.
He apparently was playing possum. :-\
QuoteI especially love when grabs the assault rifle off a dead guard and starts mowing guys down with it. That was ace.
Me too, but minor gripe: A thing that bothered me is how the Predator fired the assault rifle in huge horizontal arcs like a cave-man who's never fired a weapon before. I know what Black was going for, human weapons are alien to the Fugitive, but the Predator is an intelligent creature enough to get the concept of aiming. :P
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 16, 2020, 11:42:51 AMUgh, no way. From the tough-guy wannabe cringe-worthy bet, to Quinn putting on the tech and accidentally firing yet hitting the Predator, it's so rough to sit through (for me).
I fail to see how their banter is any more ridiculous than Blain's sexual Tyrannosaurs schtick. If anything, it sounds a hell of a lot more like the actual macabre humour real soldiers revel in than any of the OTT 80s one-liners in the original film.
And perhaps the Predator weapon hit its target because that's what it's designed to do?
Also, the bit where Haines is bisected his innards fall down and reveal the cloaked Predator's face is one of the best images from any Predator movie.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 16, 2020, 11:59:51 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 16, 2020, 11:42:51 AMUgh, no way. From the tough-guy wannabe cringe-worthy bet, to Quinn putting on the tech and accidentally firing yet hitting the Predator, it's so rough to sit through (for me).
I fail to see how their banter is any more ridiculous than Blain's sexual Tyrannosaurs schtick. If anything, it sounds a hell of a lot more like the actual macabre humour real soldiers revel in than any of the OTT 80s one-liners in the original film.
The difference is Boyd Holbrook versus Jesse Ventura. He's miscast. His tough wise cracking 80s tough guy just doesn't work for me. It's cringe when it should be cool. As you know I have major problems with the casting here.
QuoteAnd perhaps the Predator weapon hit its target because that's what it's designed to do?
I get the logic, but to me it's dumb logic courtesy of Black and Dekker. :D
Besides. How did he fire it?
QuoteAlso, the bit where Haines is bisected his innards fall down and reveal the cloaked Predator's face is one of the best images from any Predator movie.
Yeah, I was never wowed by that honestly. It wouldn't rank anywhere near the best for me.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 16, 2020, 12:12:16 PMThe difference is Boyd Holbrook versus Jesse Ventura. He's miscast. His tough wise cracking 80s tough guy just doesn't work for me. It's cringe when it should be cool. As you know I have major problems with the casting here.
He's far more accurate to what soldiers actually look and talk like though. The exaggerated 80s beefcake look went out a few years after
Predator was made. Hell, it had all but gone out of fashion by the time they made
Predator 2.
I never got the impression Boyd was trying to be an 80s action hero in the film either. His character feels a lot more modern than that.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 16, 2020, 01:28:57 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 16, 2020, 12:12:16 PMThe difference is Boyd Holbrook versus Jesse Ventura. He's miscast. His tough wise cracking 80s tough guy just doesn't work for me. It's cringe when it should be cool. As you know I have major problems with the casting here.
He's far more accurate to what soldiers actually look and talk like though.
But Jesse Ventura was
actually a US Navy SEAL in real life. :-\
Didn't that all get called out as a lie? He was in the Navy, but I don't think he was ever a SEAL.
Also, it was before he became a bodybuilder. Arnie drove tanks for the Austrian army, but he didn't look like a human one when he did it.
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Nope, he's the real deal.
https://sofrep.com/news/truth-jesse-venturas-navy-seal-status/
Fair enough.
Doesn't change the fact he wouldn't have looked like he did in Predator. For starters the wetsuit wouldn't fit.
Was Blaine supposed to be a SEAL though? I thought Dutch's team was ex-Army mercenaries or some shit.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 16, 2020, 01:28:57 PM
I never got the impression Boyd was trying to be an 80s action hero in the film either. His character feels a lot more modern than that.
I got the opposite impression. And I believe an old school 80's like film was the point. I remember in those early Dekker and Black interviews, The Predator grew from a
why don't they make movies like that anymore and a desire to do so.
But they also deliberately didn't want to do the Predator cast. I f**king hate The Predator these days, but the parts that work for me really work for me. I'm with HuDa in that I really enjoyed Holbrook in this (same as I did Royce in Predators). I really appreciated that more down to Earth take on the soldiers.
I didn't want the Predator cast redux either. Sterling K Brown or even Thomas Jane in the lead would have worked better I think. The casting problem that grows with each viewing is Boyd to me, not a failure to be like the 1987 cast.
I actually loved when it was going to be Benicio Del Toro. Aww man, the charisma. Now you're talking!!! :o
'Narcos' Star Boyd Holbrook in Talks to Replace Benicio Del Toro in Shane Black's 'Predator' Reboot (Exclusive)
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/predator-reboot-narcos-star-boyd-937544
Call me crazy but I quite like Resurrection! I was 8 when I saw it so my nostalgia goggles might be the reason...
Requiem however is beyond saving... I like AvP but the sequel should have been something similar to the games, not a teenage horror B movie.
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The Predator
There was nothing "Predator" about it. You could take the entire script, the entire plot, and just switch the Predator with any sci-fi generic monster, and almost nothing would needed to be changed. No one would have noticed.
Now, how can you tell a good Predator movie? When you do the same and it completely stands out.
For example: In the original Predator, for many, what made us fall in love with it was the final fight scene. It's iconic in many ways, but without a word the way the Predator reveals himself to Dutch and takes off his armor to fight evenly matched told us so much about the core of the Predator. It wasn't a mindless monster. There is intelligence, there is a boundary not even the Predator would cross, and recognizes this human as something worthy - equal, even. This was also captured at the end of Predator 2, the fight scene in the ship and the nobility the Predators displayed towards Harrigan. They outnumbered him, but displayed greater respect for their traditions than in the mere bloodlust of the kill.
You replace any of those scenes with a generic sci-fi monster, even with the same behaviors, it wouldn't fit. Those are Predator actions, their essence, their core. Irreplaceable. We'd point and say it acts like a Predator, because we know what a Predator is and its behaviors.
The Predator? Had none of that. It was basic, superficial, and - above all- heartless. The monster LOOKED like a Predator, but it wasn't one.
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Kradan, look out!!!
:'( :'(
Quote from: The Space Bug on Jun 04, 2020, 03:58:50 PM
Call me crazy but I quite like Resurrection! I was 8 when I saw it so my nostalgia goggles might be the reason...
Saw it at a similar age and hated it. It grew on me over my teen years and is now something of a favourite.
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Quote from: The Space Bug on Jun 04, 2020, 03:58:50 PM
Call me crazy but I quite like Resurrection! I was 8 when I saw it so my nostalgia goggles might be the reason...
Saw it at a similar age and hated it. It grew on me over my teen years and is now something of a favourite.
Voodoo be like the guy from 300.
"This is blasphemy! This is madness!
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 05, 2020, 09:09:25 PM
Quote from: The Space Bug on Jun 04, 2020, 03:58:50 PM
Call me crazy but I quite like Resurrection! I was 8 when I saw it so my nostalgia goggles might be the reason...
Saw it at a similar age and hated it. It grew on me over my teen years and is now something of a favourite.
Interesting. When I saw it it was neither good nor bad for me, but it did instantly tainted the mythology for me and made it uninteresting. Took years to get back in the saddle and now I absolutely despise it. Still, the absolute embarassing worst is The Predator. I can't believe an adult person or executive would write or greenlit or even release this film. But its just plain horribly bad, its not offensively bad like Resurrection or AVP:R
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Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 05, 2020, 09:09:25 PM
Quote from: The Space Bug on Jun 04, 2020, 03:58:50 PM
Call me crazy but I quite like Resurrection! I was 8 when I saw it so my nostalgia goggles might be the reason...
Saw it at a similar age and hated it. It grew on me over my teen years and is now something of a favourite.
Interesting. When I saw it it was neither good nor bad for me, but it did instantly tainted the mythology for me and made it uninteresting. Took years to get back in the saddle and now I absolutely despise it. Still, the absolute embarassing worst is The Predator. I can't believe an adult person or executive would write or greenlit or even release this film. But its just plain horribly bad, its not offensively bad like Resurrection or AVP:R
Lol okay. Maybe it's just how my brain works but a delightfully lush visual feast with a bunch of crazy shit set 200 years after the close of the trilogy is... fine? It has no impact on my enjoyment of the others despite the departure in tone.
Quote from: StrangeShape on Jun 05, 2020, 10:18:38 PM
Interesting. When I saw it it was neither good nor bad for me, but it did instantly tainted the mythology for me and made it uninteresting. Took years to get back in the saddle and now I absolutely despise it. Still, the absolute embarassing worst is The Predator. I can't believe an adult person or executive would write or greenlit or even release this film. But its just plain horribly bad, its not offensively bad like Resurrection or AVP:R
Considering what it did to the wonderful legacy of Ripley, oh hellz yeah, it's offensively bad.
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Quote from: [cancerblack] on Jun 05, 2020, 09:09:25 PM
Quote from: The Space Bug on Jun 04, 2020, 03:58:50 PM
Call me crazy but I quite like Resurrection! I was 8 when I saw it so my nostalgia goggles might be the reason...
Saw it at a similar age and hated it. It grew on me over my teen years and is now something of a favourite.
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I greatly prefer Resurrection over AvPR or The Predator.
Resurrection's only sin is being an Alien movie, viewing it as a separate movie actually makes it far far better.
Quote from: The Space Bug on Jun 06, 2020, 02:16:23 PMResurrection's only sin is being an Alien movie, viewing it as a separate movie actually makes it far far better.
^ This.
I say it all the time -
Resurrection's a decent film, it's just a bad sequel to the entries that came before it.
Requiem isn't even competently made.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 06, 2020, 01:51:44 PM
I greatly prefer Resurrection over AvPR or The Predator.
Yep. For all of
Resurrection's issues, it is a very interesting movie.
AVPR and
The Predator, on the other hand?
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Quote from: 426Buddy on Jun 06, 2020, 01:51:44 PM
I greatly prefer Resurrection over AvPR or The Predator.
Yep. For all of Resurrection's issues, it is a very interesting movie.
AVPR and The Predator, on the other hand?
I don't know. I wouldn't describe any of the three as "interesting" to a new potential viewer. There's just not enough there, even in Resurrection.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 06, 2020, 06:41:08 PM
I say it all the time - Resurrection's a decent film, it's just a bad sequel to the entries that came before it.
This is the first step on the road to embracing the crazy, you'll join us here in time.
Resurrection had some interesting elements to play with, but nothing was fleshed out well enough IMHO. I still think Ripley 8 is one of the most fascinating characters in the entire series.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 08, 2020, 07:38:18 AM
Resurrection had some interesting elements to play with, but nothing was fleshed out well enough IMHO. I still think Ripley 8 is one of the most fascinating characters in the entire series.
I thought Resurrection to be an ok film but Ripley 8 was a bit of a Mary Sue character unlike Ripley.
The most disappointing film for me was The Predator. Sitting in the cinema it started off great for about 20 mins I thought it was going to be the best predator film ever till they escaped the lab then just plummeted. It was like they'd tried to make 3 different films then edited the bit together. So many plot lines that went no where and don't mention the Ironman ending just... urgh :-\ I think I prefer Requiem over The Predator! There I've said it.
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I think I prefer Requiem over The Predator! There I've said it.
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Grinding is not good for the teeth!
Loving Requiem either
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 08, 2020, 07:38:18 AM
Resurrection had some interesting elements to play with, but nothing was fleshed out well enough IMHO. I still think Ripley 8 is one of the most fascinating characters in the entire series.
Just me, but I actually dig the idea of a Riplay 8 live action. Unfortunately Sigourney Weaver is too old for that.
Quote from: Kradan on Jun 15, 2020, 05:11:56 PM
Loving Requiem either
The Predator crew should have scanned Scar's body.
That way the Predalien (may its name be forever cursed) would have been destroyed, and that way Requiem would not exist.
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Edit - If you don't like my idea, great! that's why I post it.
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Edit - If you don't like my idea, great! that's why I post it.
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Found I could change my vote from so long ago, which was AvP-R.
Movies like Alien Resurrection I consider to be poor but it has it's redeemable qualities, I'd watch it again but Alien to Alien 3 will always be higher priority.
Prometheus and Covenant I don't care for, but I don't hate them either like I do other movies and if people enjoy them that's fine, I just view them as unnecessary and problematic and find that they kill the mysterious immersion of the first half of Alien that I used to feel once upon a time. *sigh*
AvP and Predators are just static at this point.
AvP-R, what I originally voted for, was just outright bad, would not watch again and I at the time thought it couldn't get any worse.
But boy was I wrong because The Predator bitterly and narrowly squeezes it's way to the #1 spot of my least favourite of all the movies, it's not just outright bad but it's even repugnant from my perspective.
There's always possibility to hit lower
Perhaps one day the bar will be so low that even the 9th Circle of Hell will be like "Dude...".
Perhaps
Why the hell would people choose Aliens over AVP 2?? What shit are they smoking
It's matter of subjective enjoyment - not objective quality of the movies.
I guess
Even Alien and Predator received votes, so....
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 30, 2020, 09:50:30 PM
Even Alien and Predator received votes, so....
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Yeah I'm puzzled. Not trying to have a go. Each to their own but would love to know why AVP 2 is better than Aliens
1. It's has shorter runtime
2. It has more teens
3. It has MUCH MORE gore
4. It has badass Predator
5. It has Predalien. DUH
6. It has egg-barfing
7. It's much darker movie that kids-friendly Aliens
Shall I continue ?
Quote from: Billiken on Dec 30, 2020, 07:30:53 AM
Why the hell would people choose Aliens over AVP 2?? What shit are they smoking
I voted for this option just to see someone curious asking ☝😅 Finally! it was 5 long years ;)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 31, 2020, 10:04:39 PM
Quote from: Billiken on Dec 30, 2020, 07:30:53 AM
Why the hell would people choose Aliens over AVP 2?? What shit are they smoking
I voted for this option just to see someone curious asking ☝😅 Finally! it was 5 long years ;)
Haha 😂 well played
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 31, 2020, 10:04:39 PM
Quote from: Billiken on Dec 30, 2020, 07:30:53 AM
Why the hell would people choose Aliens over AVP 2?? What shit are they smoking
I voted for this option just to see someone curious asking ☝😅 Finally! it was 5 long years ;)
Haha 😂 well played
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The Predator is as bad as some really cheesy and bad fan film. But, my least favorite of all in Resurrection, because to me it repaints the mythology into the opposite of what it was. The first 3 films are dfifferent, but are bonded by core things and theyre dead serious
Alien Resurrection got my vote too.
My BACKWARD list (from worst to best) goes like this:
...bottom tier...
12 - THE PRED
11 - AVP:R
10 - AVP
...low tier...
9 - PREDS
8 - P2
7 - A:R
...high tier...
6 - PROM
5 - PREDATOR
4 - A:C
...top tier...
3 - ALIENS
2 - A3
1 - ALIEN
Tough choice. Both AvP films were pretty terrible, but they are also easily dismissed from the canon so they don't do any real damage to the franchise as a whole. Alien 3, although not a terrible film, was where things started to go wrong. As much as I love Ripley as a character, I think she has become something of an albatross around the neck of the franchise, they were so scared to make a film without Ripley that they took the story in directions that it probably shouldn't have gone in.
This was one thing Predator 2 did well, by starting a whole new strand of the story without Schwarzenegger they were free to take a whole different approach free from the constraints of existing characters.
Ultimately though, Aliens Resurrection was, for me, the sequel too far. The huge time jump and the inclusion of Ripley once again both contributed to making this film the weakest of the main line Alien films, and therefore my choice for this poll.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 30, 2020, 09:50:30 PM
Even Alien and Predator received votes, so....
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Someone's jamming you on those...
Alien 3 is my least favorite out of them all. I saw it once and that was enough for me. The rest I've seen countless times and wether I like the movie as a whole or just parts I can find something I enjoy in most of them except Alien 3 lol
You saw it once, do I understand that right ? How long ago was that ? I'm not pushing you but maybe it's a time to throw a re-watch
Have you guys seen this version of predator lol
Would you guys be mad if I said Aliens? :^)
JK it's Covenant. So boring.
Just you wait for the real shit tier ones. Lol
As long as Requiem is the least favourite one I still have faith in humanity
Quote from: Cocolyte on Aug 15, 2022, 02:14:06 PMWould you guys be mad if I said Aliens? :^)
Yes, absolutely, definitely, undoubtedly, ban her
For me it's AR. A part of me died when I saw that movie.
What did more damage: Resurrection or Episide I ?
For me its THE Predator, even the title is stupid because I have the impression that they somehow wanted to tie in with the original.....and....the movie is absoluteley bullshit.
i still had a little hope that the predator dogs would bring some action, but no...they fetch sticks :'(
personaly I prefer even the worst Alien movie to any Predator movie...(no shit storm please, its just my opinion, and maybe iam the only person on earth who say this) :laugh:
YES IAM A BIG FAN OF THE YAUTJAS...but Alien is like a diamond...
the alien universe has so much more to offer
lots of cool spacecrafts, interesting worlds and beautiful designed places, brilliant soundtracks, interesting characters, just to name a few.
even the dumbest group in an alien movie (right Covenant :laugh: ) is still smart against the idiots from the movie THE predator. :'(
and yes, i even like the scenes with the newborn... :o (ok shitstorm haha)
that was just a one-time thing and nothing more.
Anyway, I wasn't as annoyed about it as the rest of the world
(what does it all say about me... i must be crazy...who I ? no you...who's there ?...)
:laugh: ;D :laugh: ;D
Quote from: Neila on Sep 01, 2022, 09:38:18 PM*Snipped to keep this small*
I'm definitely not going to pick a fight, but I just wanted to clarify... You would rank even the weakest Alien entry above the original Predator? Predator 2?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 18, 2022, 09:54:42 PMFor me it's AR. A part of me died when I saw that movie.
I'm curious then, how does Requiem compare to Resurrection in your view? I'd have a hard time picking between Resurrection, Requiem, Covenant, and The Predator for last place. I guess Covenant would be highest on the worst of list if only for the score and Ridley's overall direction. I have a hard time picking between Requiem, The Predator, and Covenant.
As long as Requiem has the most votes on this poll I have faith in humanity
Requiem is definitely terrible, but I find more to enjoy in it than I do in Shane Black's The Predator.
I can see the argument that Requiem was more detrimental for the collective franchises as a whole tho.
Requiem definitely seem like it dampened the publics view on the franchise, and made it dormant for a while. When Shane Black's The Predator came out I honestly thought it was going to kill the Predator franchise (at least for a long time). Thankfully it's bouncing back with Prey only a few years later, so Requiem definitely seems to have had the longer and more significant detriment, in the grand scheme of things.
But just going off of overall movie quality, I was more offended by how terrible The Predator was, than Requiem. I can find small things to enjoy in Requiem, I honestly can't find much that I enjoy in The Predator.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Sep 15, 2022, 09:34:50 AMQuote from: Local Trouble on Aug 18, 2022, 09:54:42 PMFor me it's AR. A part of me died when I saw that movie.
I'm curious then, how does Requiem compare to Resurrection in your view?
By the time AvPR came out, I was no longer invested enough to bother hating it. However, I still hate AR on a level that I usually reserve for child molesters and politicians.
Quote from: Kradan on Aug 18, 2022, 09:58:30 PMWhat did more damage: Resurrection or Episide I ?
@Local Trouble, I would like to know an answer
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 15, 2022, 05:01:59 PMQuote from: Kradan on Aug 18, 2022, 09:58:30 PMWhat did more damage: Resurrection or Episide I ?
@Local Trouble, I would like to know an answer
Episode 1 did more damage because it tainted everything that came after. At least AR was mercifully never followed up on.
I see
Episode 1 is god damn horrible.
Episode 1 was the beginning of the very slow and painful death of Star Wars
I like Episode 1 (more than any of the originals and certainly more than the other prequels) and Rez is probably my most rewatched Alien movie.
It's a hard tie between Prometheus and The Predator -- both are in more or less the same tier for me, with similar 'crimes' -- but Prometheus wins my vote, I decided. Nothing comes close to space vin diesels. Funnily enough, my vote was still locked onto AvPR... back when it was my least favourite. Good times!
Quote from: choccy milk on Oct 01, 2022, 12:55:07 AMIt's a hard tie between Prometheus and The Predator -- both are in more or less the same tier for me, with similar 'crimes' -- but Prometheus wins my vote, I decided. Nothing comes close to space vin diesels. Funnily enough, my vote was still locked onto AvPR... back when it was my least favourite. Good times!
I can give Prometheus a little slack for two reasons. One, at least it paid lip service to "Who made them?" Which left the potential open that the Space Jockey's proper were still out there, and two, it did not lock down the Alien's origins with anything concrete. It was busy doing (mostly) its own stuff. I can forgive Prometheus for those two reasons. My problems with Prometheus are more with the overall script writing and atrocious choices in editing. Cutting out so much character motivation absolutely cripples the films story.
Covenant just... Beyond just David being a completely villainous character, removing all shades of grey. Beyond the origin of the Alien (potentially) being locked down, beyond not having particularly good characters... It does everything that Alien could have done if it hadn't been handled with such class and maturity.
The Predator is guilty of both. It has a terrible script, and it does horrific damage to the franchise.
Requiem... I mean to me, it was just a dumb slasher movie, and in that sense I guess it does do a disservice to both franchises. The lower budget, the fixation on violence (I still remember seeing that population/body count trailer... Jesus.) But in reality I think the first AVP did just as much damage to the reputation of the characters. I saw that movie in the theater and then I got a copy off the ol' kazaa program back in the day... and in both cases there was essentially laugh track over the whole thing. Which is not the reaction an audience should be having to an Alien or Predator movie.
People seem to forget that the level of hype behind Prometheus carried an air of "Ah, finally, someone who knows what they're doing is going to restore the integrity of this film series." So many people spoke along those lines. FINALLY.... Ridley is back. surely he'll right this boat. So I see why there's an element of people out there who find it even more frustrating. I've mellowed to it over the years.
Alien 3 is like being in an abusive relationship, or someone who has a drug addiction or something. There's a lot of "fun" to be had, but there's also a lot of disappointment and frustration to be had as well. I am nostalgic for those summer evenings in the 90s and early 2000s when I could pop in my VHS of the Alien films, and afterward play some Alien trilogy on PS1. Alien 3 still stands above everything else that has come after it in the franchise. So far. Here's hoping Mr. Hawley brings his Fargo game to the Alien franchise and its not a completely miserable disappointment.
Like I said I have a hard time juggling Resurrection, Covenant, and The Predator for worst place. The Predator really... It "offends" me. Which is not a word I often use. It offends me in the same way Resurrection did. The big tonal disassociation with the rest of the franchise.
Quote from: OpenMaw on Oct 01, 2022, 05:02:02 PMI can give Prometheus a little slack
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The others tried, but I dragged it all into a spiral of a dark and endless dalek night (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2022/07/15/doesnt-everyone-want-their-parents-dead-prometheus-10th-anniversary-retrospective-avp-galaxy-podcast-147/)
I can give Prometheus this compliment, it is not either AVP film or The Predator and has done much good for the franchise overall. As has Alien Covenant.
I'm going to say that Alien Covenant is my least favorite. My reasoning is solely based off the poor decisions of the crew. All of the simple protocols and safety measures that are put into place to save lives, are completely ignored. Being a Ridley Scott movie, I was hoping to get a crew that I cared for. :( Danny is the only one I was rooting for.
Alien and Aliens shouldn't even be options on this poll. No one who's being honest would choose either one of them ahead of the rest.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 03, 2022, 11:52:33 PMAlien and Aliens shouldn't even be options on this poll. No one who's being honest would choose either one of them ahead of the rest.
Both of them were met with more than an inkling of resistance when they first came out! Especially
Aliens... old issues of Starlog already had some examples of 'veteran' fans crying "space bug!" and the usual fare.
Predator 2 and Aliens should absolutely be included, probably not Predator or Alien though.
I refuse to believe that anyone would rank Aliens below AvPR or The Predator. It just shouldn't be allowed. >:(
My guess would be because the younger generation grew up playing newer gen video games and were introduced to more CGI movies. 90s, 80s, and 70s flicks were made different and are just old movies to them that lack the visually pleasing style they're accustomed to. I don't find it hard to believe. They are wrong, though. ;)
Alien should absolutely be included, many people find it painfully slow and boring.
That's true I suppose.
I hate people.
Quote from: SiL on Oct 05, 2022, 08:08:34 PMAlien should absolutely be included, many people find it painfully slow and boring.
Indeed. It's a slow burner and that kind of pacing usually doesn't fare well with modern audiences.
We have consensus, Predator is objectively the least hateable movie.
Quote from: choccy milk on Oct 05, 2022, 09:34:41 PMQuote from: SiL on Oct 05, 2022, 08:08:34 PMAlien should absolutely be included, many people find it painfully slow and boring.
Indeed. It's a slow burner and that kind of pacing usually doesn't fare well with modern audiences.
Modern audiences can get the hell off my lawn! >:(
It's my favourite movie of all time and I love it dearly but good God the establishing shot of the infirmary before Ripley confronts Ash and the lead up to Brett's death drag.
Will AvP3 have none of that?
Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 05, 2022, 09:45:21 PMWill AvP3 have none of that?
Sil's a big fan of those Resurrection zooms.
You know what else it will have?
The
Skull.
No! >:(
I'ma huge fan of Alien's 70s zooms. Plenty of that.
Do you already have it all figured out?
Quote from: SiL on Oct 06, 2022, 02:07:26 AMI'ma huge fan of Alien's 70s zooms. Plenty of that.
I don't think I can remember any. Could you give an example ?
The derelict and Nostromo (while on the planet) get a few, as well as the self destruct device at the end.
I really love the zoom in on Newt's scream in the Special Edition of Aliens.
Same
I'm definitely not going to pick a fight, but I just wanted to clarify... You would rank even the weakest Alien entry above the original Predator? Predator 2?
yes, like i said. (and hey...its just my opinion)
i like the first two pred movies very well and iam a collector of creature model kits and i have tons of pred kits too.
but alien have something more, its more special, its the first serious creature in an sci fi horror movie. if you take a closer look, you will see that the first predator is an offspring of the second movie aliens. predator is inspired by the alien franchise...thats a fact.
even the cloaking is inspired by the first alien novel from a.d. foster
predator is for the most fans the better design, the better creature, what ever...over the years it becomes kinda super heroe for them... but not for me.
the predator films are made a bit simpler and are also intended for, shall we say, simpler people. just because the crew in covenant isn't very smart doesn't mean the whole movie is stupid. on the contrary, the story in covenant is actually very intelligent, but not everyone has to understand or like that.
the alien movies are much more demanding in my opinion....yes even the worst of them.
AVP 04 I wish never existed along side the rest of Paul W S Anderson's brain drain movies
Based, except for Event Horizon which is pretty cool.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 18, 2023, 11:36:52 AMBased, except for Event Horizon which is pretty cool.
I only saw Event Horizon once in theaters and then another time on TV
I'm taking from that, that you're not really a fan of it then? I just like gothic space horror and Sam Neill, and as shitty and cheesy as some of EH is, the over-all vibe is my thang and I wish more of Anderson's shit was like it.
The scene where the guy explodes from decompression gave me nightmares as a kid.
The one that stuck with me was the blood flowing into the glowing blue/green pod thing and the flayed person inside slamming up against the walls with little flakes of skin floating around the hands.
Been rewatching all the Alien films this week. Alien Resurrection last night. So many things that are wrong in this. Gediman and Wren are just repulsive characters. The story, the idea of cloning Ripley, the Newborn. The only part I still like is the underwater scene.
I'll be doing AvP tonight so I'm going to be hard-pressed to figure out which I hate more.
The Predator and Requiem, with a consolation prize for Prey.
For the Alien side, Resurrection, and with a consolation prize for the prequels.
Well, I finished AvP yesterday. There are some great things in there like having the Queen and the amount of stuff they did for the budget. But I don't think there's anything in AvP that is as bad as the Newborn stuff. The teamup I hate and I think with different editing, it might not have looked so bad. Anderson also seems to have a habit of zooming in way too closely on actors.
I absolutely hated AVP when it came out but I've mellowed to it over the years. It's still a disappointment, but these days I don't mind it as a piece of disposable entertainment.
The main thing that bugs me now is I don't honestly think you'd need to change all that much to make it a significantly better movie.
Anderson's earlier drafts with someone who could write dialogue worth a shit would've been fine.
I can't accept the results of a poll where more people accept 'The Predator' over 'Alien 3' without calling sabotage, even taking abysmal taste into account. There's got to be some trolling going on here. 🤣
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Oct 01, 2023, 02:34:39 PMI can't accept the results of a poll where more people accept 'The Predator' over 'Alien 3' without calling sabotage, even taking abysmal taste into account. There's got to be some trolling going on here. 🤣
This poll has been up and running since long before
The Predator existed, which is what really accounts for that. Lots of votes from old, no longer active accounts lie in this thread's history (and other threads like it).
Requiem's still miles out in front though, so it's fine.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Oct 01, 2023, 02:50:16 PMQuote from: Acid_Reign161 on Oct 01, 2023, 02:34:39 PMI can't accept the results of a poll where more people accept 'The Predator' over 'Alien 3' without calling sabotage, even taking abysmal taste into account. There's got to be some trolling going on here. 🤣
This poll has been up and running since long before The Predator existed, which is what really accounts for that. Lots of votes from old, no longer active accounts lie in this thread's history (and other threads like it).
Ahh, that's makes sense... perhaps there should be a reset/redo 😂
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 01, 2023, 03:07:15 PMRequiem's still miles out in front though, so it's fine.
Honestly? I hate AvPR as much as the next guy, but I'd watch it on repeat for a straight 24 hours rather then rewatch 'The Predator' 🤣
I always quantify it like this -
As shit as some of The Predator was, it at least had some good scenes; the lab breakout sequence in particular was probably the best Predator action scene we'd had since the second movie.
Requiem is just terminal shit from beginning to end. There's nothing to redeem it. And to cap it all you can't even f**king see it!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Oct 01, 2023, 08:32:43 AMI absolutely hated AVP when it came out but I've mellowed to it over the years.
This but in reverse, going from vague disappointment to outright antipathy.
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Oct 01, 2023, 02:34:39 PMI can't accept the results of a poll where more people accept 'The Predator' over 'Alien 3' without calling sabotage, even taking abysmal taste into account. There's got to be some trolling going on here. 🤣
I completely agree with that.
I really can't understand some things
Unfortunately I can't write my real opinion on some of the entries here because otherwise I would be kicked out...
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I only care about how you present them.
Sometimes if you can not say anything nice, say nothing at all.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 09, 2023, 04:44:29 PMSometimes if you can not say anything nice, say nothing at all.
Except in the case of 'The Predator' 🤣 all is fair with that one.
Quote from: Acid_Reign161 on Oct 09, 2023, 05:46:03 PMQuote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Oct 09, 2023, 04:44:29 PMSometimes if you can not say anything nice, say nothing at all.
Except in the case of 'The Predator' 🤣 all is fair with that one.
there is someone who understands me ;D ;D ;D
I'm sure you're not alone there. :laugh: (AvPR is still farrrr worse though)