Poll
Question:
Are you Vegan, Vegatarian or neither?
Option 1: Vegan
Option 2: Vagatarian
Option 3: Neither
Just curious, I know a lot of folks who go really like health foods and eating clean.
What's your opinion/experience?
I'm almost vegan. Don't eat meat, fish all diary products at home. In this case I'm 100% vegan but at work I don't mind drinking tea with a bit of milk.
Neither here. But I only like to eat white meat (poultry, fish and seafood). I'm quite interested in the subject though :)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 18, 2019, 10:59:08 PM
Neither here. But I only like to eat white meat (poultry, fish and seafood). I'm quite interested in the subject though :)
Similar. I try to confine my meats to birds. I hate fish. I still eat beef every now and then. Gotta get that protein. But I hardly ever eat processed junk like bologna or hot dogs. That stuff jacks up your pancreatic cancer risk like nobody's business. And you can't live without that pancreas.
I was almost vegan for awhile some time ago. No meat or cows milk but the occasional cheese or egg. At the moment I try to avoid meat and dairy as much as possible but do still often partake. Been meaning to return to the meatless diet as it does make me feel fairly guilty to support big meat industry companies that slaughter so many animals in horrible ways on such a large scale just to fulfil our lust for animal flesh. The meat industry is also the biggest cause of green house gases and I can't even imagine how much water the industry would use. We could also feed the world with the amount of wheat used to create just the red meat we eat.
Also it's just the healthier option. :o
Oh boy do not start on "the healthier option". It's really not. You can 100% eat a shittier vegan diet than one that includes meat.
My fiancee is a dietician and I will fight all of you on this subject so help me God.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2019, 04:53:37 AM
Oh boy do not start on "the healthier option". It's really not. You can 100% eat a shittier vegan diet than one that includes meat.
My fiancee is a dietician and I will fight all of you on this subject so help me God.
True. I also try and keep politics out of as many areas of my life as possible. Including the dinner table.
I'm vegan, or 95% vegan I should say. I do it for the environment and animals, rather than for my health, and since everything I've read indicates that going vegan is the best thing you can do for the environment, that's a major selling point for me and makes me feel like I'm doing the best I can. So far I've noticed no particular drawbacks - purchasing groceries and eating out takes more mental effort, but not much since veganism is becoming prevalent now and there are tons more options than just tofu and lettuce! I'll also say that I think it's far more feasible to reduce your intake of meat and animal products than to say "it has to be 100% or nothing." Anybody can try out some vegan/vegetarian dishes a few times a week and see what you think!
Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2019, 04:53:37 AM
Oh boy do not start on "the healthier option". It's really not. You can 100% eat a shittier vegan diet than one that includes meat.
At the end of the day it's up to the vegan person which diet he/she chooses: healthy vegan or shitty vegan. Most vegans are have met are more on healthy vegan diet rather than shitty one.
You can say that about literally any diet, though. That's my point. It's not inherently healthier to not eat meat.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2019, 07:53:39 AM
You can say that about literally any diet, though. That's my point. It's not inherently healthier to not eat meat.
We get it?
Not vegetarian but I've noticed a considerable positive change in mood/well-being once I started eating less red meats. I still eat them, just not ever day or two like I used to. I've also been trying to eat more seafood, but that's too expensive to consistently maintain.
It's kinda more fun to cook when you challenge yourself not to use any meat too, especially if the people you cook for aren't fond of meat-free meals. Would I convert to that kind of lifestyle entirely? Probably not. But my experience in being more open with these options has only been positive so far.
Quote from: Deadmeat on Feb 19, 2019, 10:10:32 AM
We get it?
I'm sorry, does me responding to replies to my posts annoy you or something... ???
QuoteIt's kinda more fun to cook when you challenge yourself not to use any meat too, especially if the people you cook for aren't fond of meat-free meals.
Ever tried jackfruit as a meat substitute? Makes the nicest barbecue pulled "pork".
Seriously? Jackfruit as pulled pork?
Yes, but you have to use the canned jackfruit in brine, not the syrup stuff.
It probably wouldn't fool anyone if you tried to pass it off as actual pork, but god damn it's a really, really nice alternative.
I think the only jackfruit I've had is fresh.
I've only ever eaten it as a meat substitute :P
I just noticed a voting option up there says "vagatarian"...
I mean most vegan diets are going to be healthier than the amount of meat a lot of people eat.
In that most people in developed nations eat too much meat, sure.
I started cutting red meat out of my diet not long ago. As others have said, it's more to do with environmental concerns than my own health. And as I get older the cruelty doled out to animals in the slaughterhouse sickens me more and more, and I'm not so capable of the cognitive dissonance anymore. I cut out a lot of dairy too. The only animal meat I still eat is chicken, which I'm trying to get away from, but I exercise and work out a fair bit and always loved chicken afterwards for muscle building and protein. So chicken is my remaining hurdle.
Adjusting my diet did wonders for my mental health, though. Introducing better food to my diet undoubtedly helped.
"Eat food, not too much, mostly plants" is about the simplest, best dietary advice.
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2019, 11:26:39 AM
I just noticed a voting option up there says "vagatarian"...
*resists the urge to make a 4th grade level joke*
Quote from: Valaquen on Feb 19, 2019, 11:56:17 AM
Adjusting my diet did wonders for my mental health, though. Introducing better food to my diet undoubtedly helped.
Do you think any specific foods have played a part in that? I've tried eating more dried fruits and nuts as well, but I'm not sure they've had any groundbreaking effects.
Quote from: Deadmeat on Feb 19, 2019, 01:21:18 PM
Do you think any specific foods have played a part in that? I've tried eating more dried fruits and nuts as well, but I'm not sure they've had any groundbreaking effects.
I have a nice big smoothie every couple of days loaded with berrries, lettuce, stuff like that (mostly things I couldn't eat solo). Also vegetarian sausages (surprisingly nice!) rice, salads... nothing too revolutionary. I coupled it with daily exercise which probably helps all the more. It also simply takes time for your body to adjust to a different diet. You've probably spent years 'training' it to subsist on a certain diet already. Do you exercise? If your mood is low I'd defnitely recommend taking up that.
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2019, 11:26:39 AM
I just noticed a voting option up there says "vagatarian"...
Sounds good, doesn't it?
Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2019, 07:53:39 AM
You can say that about literally any diet, though. That's my point. It's not inherently healthier to not eat meat.
Statistically it is. Just check the data.
I'm considering going vegetarian or maybe even vegan at some point, mostly because of the eco friendly part. The second is actually the cost of it all. I love the taste of meat and I know you can have a long healthy life eating quality animal products (eggs, birds, sea food), but it costs a lot more pound for pound in my country to eat meat that isn't processed sh*t compared to fruits, veggies, seeds and nuts. And since I care about my health and am working out more and more each year, I need a good, healthy dose of food. I'll probably never go full vegan because of the inconvenience, but it's not impossible I wont. I'll stick to eggs, fish and milk for a while still I think.
Most of what I eat can be considered "clean" by fitness standards, I eat lots of meat, easiest way to get the amount of protein I want but I also like to eat stuff like cookies and ice cream everyday, pizza every week. I'm aware of how much is my current caloric intake so I don't have to worry about gaining weight at a rate I don't want to.
Current blood work is perfect according to my doctor, I take it every 6 months, only got messed up once during one of the first cutting diets I did, a mixture of inexperience and hurry end up messing my stats. Big caloric deficit will f**k you up. Doesn't matter what kind of stuff you are eating. Huge caloric surplus and deficits are what I consider unhealthy. I have no interest of ever going vegan or vegetarian.
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 19, 2019, 09:22:37 PM
Statistically it is. Just check the data.
The data does not say it's inherently healthier than eating any meat. It does say it's healthier than the typical American diet, which is a very low bar.
But the data says that eating a lot (most people eat meat every day which is insane) of red and processed meat increases risk of cancer (like bowel cancer) and heart diseases. Meat you eat is basically stuffed with steroids, antibiotics and other chemicals people consume on daily basics from childhood. Drinking milk (it contains cholesterol) and eating diary products (especially cheese which is insanely fat) isn't healthy either. It causes heart diseases and cancers (prostate and breast cancer).
Cow produces milk for a baby cow not for human beings. Would you consume dog's or cat's milk? You're basically consuming milk (in different forms) from your non-biological mother. Why? :)
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 19, 2019, 11:34:38 PM
Cow produces milk for a baby cow not for human beings. Would you consume dog's or cat's milk? You're basically consuming milk (in different forms) from your non-biological mother. Why? :)
Are you suggesting that we should only eat human flesh?
Well that escalated quickly.
I can't wait until we're just all eating the vat meat in the 01.
Soylent Green is people!
???
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 12:17:58 AM
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It's a movie reference. A Charleton Heston movie. In an apocalyptic world, people line up for Soylent Green. It turns out the food is made from dead people. He's dragged away at the end screaming "soylent green is people".
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 19, 2019, 11:34:38 PM
But the data says that eating a lot (most people eat meat every day which is insane) of red and processed meat increases risk of cancer (like bowel cancer) and heart diseases.
The data says eating
too much meat is bad, yes. It does not say that "any" meat is
too much meat, however. There's no argument that there's excessive meat consumption in most Western diets, but that doesn't mean that eating meat in and of itself is unhealthy.
Dairy is only problematic if, again, consumed to excess or if you have conditions which preclude you from digesting it properly.
QuoteCow produces milk for a baby cow not for human beings.
You do realise most living organisms don't produce things for the benefit of something else's consumption, right? Are you just eating fruit and berries?
Not a vegan or vegetarian, but I really want to get more fruits and vegetables in my idea. At the moment, I eat alot of rice, pasta and some seafood (mostly sardines and tuna). My biggest downfall is butter, I tend to slather bread with it and need to stop, even if the butter I eat is salt-free. Are there any good premade vegetable health drinks out there that can make up for this in any meaningful way? The only kind I know about is V8.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 19, 2019, 11:59:18 PM
I can't wait until we're just all eating the vat meat in the 01.
What about grapefruit though?
:'(
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 19, 2019, 11:49:31 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 19, 2019, 11:34:38 PM
Cow produces milk for a baby cow not for human beings. Would you consume dog's or cat's milk? You're basically consuming milk (in different forms) from your non-biological mother. Why? :)
Are you suggesting that we should only eat human flesh?
I'm not suggesting anything. But if you want to eat human carcass then go for it :)
Butter... Kramer... butter... Kramer...
Quote from: SiL on Feb 20, 2019, 12:29:03 AM
You do realise most living organisms don't produce things for the benefit of something else's consumption, right? Are you just eating fruit and berries?
I do realise that. And your point isn't valid because it's just an excuse. Human kind don't have to eat living organisms.
It took me few month to become vegetarian (I cut red meat first, then white and at the end fish). After two years I became vegan. It's not easy because what we eat is enforced onto us by our culture and family. Diet is like religion. It's hard to escape from it because we take it for granted. We thing it's the right thing to do without even thinking about it. I recommend
Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind by Harari who's vegan himself.
What do I eat? Tons of fruits and veg, porridge for breakfast, pasta, rice, couscous, mushrooms, tofu, bread and anything that doesn't come from animals. How many types of meat do we have? Just few like chicken, pork, turkey, beef and few more (I think is 7 or 8 altogether). How many non-meat food is available? Loads.
Quote from: Born Of Cold Light on Feb 20, 2019, 06:38:52 AM
Are there any good premade vegetable health drinks out there that can make up for this in any meaningful way? The only kind I know about is V8.
Water is the best :) And if you're looking for veg health drinks then you should buy yourself juice/veg blender/extractor. Don't buy juices from the shop. They contain so much shit that you wouldn't believe.
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 20, 2019, 09:20:40 AM
Human kind don't have to eat living organisms.
Of course they do.
Everything has to eat living organisms.
Plants are living organisms. They're not inanimate objects, or rocks. They're alive -- an alien life to us, but still very much alive. They have cells, they eat, they drink, they breathe, they adapt, they respond to their surroundings, they evolve, they have DNA organised by chromosomes. Many respond to being attacked by animals, either by producing defensive measures or alerting nearby plants.
Unless you're sitting by waiting for a fruit to drop off a tree, you have caused harm to a living organism in order to feed yourself. It's an inescapable fact of life.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 20, 2019, 09:45:29 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 20, 2019, 09:20:40 AM
Human kind don't have to eat living organisms.
Of course they do. Everything has to eat living organisms.
Plants are living organisms.
They're not inanimate objects, or rocks. They're alive -- an alien life to us, but still very much alive. They have cells, they eat, they drink, they breathe, they adapt, they respond to their surroundings, they evolve, they have DNA organised by chromosomes. Many respond to being attacked by animals, either by producing defensive measures or alerting nearby plants.
Unless you're sitting by waiting for a fruit to drop off a tree, you have caused harm to a living organism in order to feed yourself. It's an inescapable fact of life.
Come on, you know what he meant.
I know plenty of people who took a very long time to realise plants are living organisms, and others who still don't. It's not actually uncommon to believe that they aren't actually alive.
He also said my point about milk was "invalid" because it was an excuse, and then justified that with a statement that is wholly incorrect. My point wasn't invalid -- whether it's cow's milk, cow muscle, or a plant's roots, few things produce something specifically for the consumption of another organism. His argument that "cows make milk for baby cows, not you, therefor don't consume dairy" is incredibly silly in the face of most things that are actually edible.
QuoteHuman kind don't have to eat living organisms.
We generally make them dead first.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 20, 2019, 09:45:29 AM
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 20, 2019, 09:20:40 AM
Human kind don't have to eat living organisms.
Of course they do. Everything has to eat living organisms.
Plants are living organisms.
Do not play semantic games with me. We do not have to eat
animals. It's been proven. I do not eat them and I feel better than ever.
And please don't compare animals to plants as being living organisms. Animals feel pain. Apples I eat not necessary.
Quote from: SM on Feb 20, 2019, 10:33:02 AM
QuoteHuman kind don't have to eat living organisms.
We generally make them dead first.
Yes, which generally means you eat dead bodies. Carcass if you prefer.
Quote from: SM on Feb 20, 2019, 10:33:02 AM
We generally make them dead first.
Generally, but unfortunately, not always :-X
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 20, 2019, 10:38:04 AM
Do not play semantic games with me.
It's really not semantics. Alive is alive.
QuoteWe do not have to eat animals. It's been proven.
Absolutely zero argument there.
QuoteAnd please don't compare animals to plants as being living organisms. Animals feel pain. Apples I eat not necessary.
The apple, no. The rest of the apple tree, less known. Plants have been studied responding to physical trauma through various means -- arguably a pain response, just not one humans are wired to empathise with.
Quotewhich generally means you eat dead bodies. Carcass if you prefer.
Like dead plants bodies!
QuoteYes, which generally means you eat dead bodies. Carcass if you prefer.
Some more than others.
SiL please, do not compare animals which their sense of pain (they do feel pain) to plants. Come on :)
Quote from: SiL on Feb 20, 2019, 10:40:19 AM
QuoteWe do not have to eat animals. It's been proven.
Absolutely zero argument there.
Zero? Vegans are proof enough that we do not have to (I don't say we must not) eat animals.
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 20, 2019, 10:55:20 AM
SiL please, do not compare animals which their sense of pain (they do feel pain) to plants. Come on :)
Please do not confuse your ability to empathise with something, with its ability to feel pain :)
QuoteZero? Vegans are proof enough that we do not have to (I don't say we must not) eat animals.
That's what I meant, sorry. I don't disagree with that statement; with modern agriculture and transport means, we do not have to eat meat.
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2019, 10:24:40 AM
Seriously? Jackfruit as pulled pork?
:D Exactly!
Quote from: SM on Feb 20, 2019, 10:44:22 AM
QuoteYes, which generally means you eat dead bodies. Carcass if you prefer.
Some more than others.
We must all do our part.
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Quote from: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 04:31:28 PM
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;D
Yeah, I find it just a tad bit hypocritical to say we're hurting animals, but we don't empathize with the killing of plants. Life needs to die for us to live. Where we draw the line is up to us. Few species eat their own kind because evolution. Most people don't eat the animals we consider as pets. And some draw the line between between animals and plants. And that's okay IMO.
But, to play devil's advocate, if we go by what we consider as pain, as feeling pain from a biological point of view, I think I read once that oysters don't feel pain because they literally don't have pain receptive nerve cells. So we can say that for plants as well. They have reactive processes for when they're under attack, but they literally don't feel the same pain we do because they're not vertebrates with pain receptive cells. We can say it's no more wrong to kill a cow than it is to kill a tomato, but I don't believe IMO we can say that both of them feel actual pain in the same way, or even that a tomato can feel pain at all. We get to a debate about how do we define pain and so forth.
Just my opinion on the matter.
I do think there is a difference between shooting a cow in the head , and throwing a live lobster into boiling water. It's entirely possible to be sadistic.
From the day I learned about the fact you can live healthily without eating meat, I started doubting my alimentary habits. Still, I had a lot of cognitive dissonance and "smart answers" which kept me in this kind of meaty diet. Hey, I really liked meat. I'd still like the taste, I'm sure. I was particularly into beef escalopes and chicken à la crème.
But after a short discussion with a vegan, I realized I was wrong and changed my ways. In 2014, I became vegetarian.
Then I learned more about the meat industry, and learned you just need to take some pills of B12 vitamins at a pretty casual rhythm, and to care a little about iron and proteins by eating the right vegetables, in order to go vegan. And I said goodbye to cheese. I loved cheese too, fondues and raclette. I'm French, so you can guess how much cheese went in my diet.
So now I'm vegan. I don't see particular benefits to it besides ethical consistency, which is a nice thing by itself.
Ingwar is right. We humans do not need to eat meat, so we shouldn't eat meat because meat is produced through the suffering and death of countless animals and the ecological impact of the useless meat industry is simply disastrous, unacceptable in these contemporary days of global warming.
Diet is pretty much pescaterian. I do eat some meat, but mainly chicken breast. I try to stay away from red meat on most occasions. If I do eat red meat, it's steak or venison jerky. Most of my protein comes from Whey protein powder and chicken breast though. I have pretty much an athletic/weight lifter diet.
I do need to get back into exercise routines and do crossfit again.
Transition from meat eater to vegetarian/vegan is difficult but once you accomplish that it's easy. Well done Oasis Nadrama.
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Approximately 150 billion (!) animals are killed yearly.
I think things like beef can definitely become a problem, even though I'm a carnivore. But I think the problem begins when you eat out too much, or constantly make yourself hamburgers and junk with that meat at home . A plain meat patty with some mashed potatoes and vegetables isn't all that bad every now and then . Contrast that with a McDonald's cheeseburger three or four times a week, and then you're talking problems.
That's why I don't hardly eat out at all , and I mostly confine my meats to chicken and sometimes turkey. I can't remember the last time I had tacos where the meat wasn't turkey meat . The flavor actually seems much stronger as well. I preferred the taste of the turkey meat in most cases.
I'm sure there's an argument for population control somewhere in this equation. That of the bovine, not the man obviously . I don't know what would happen to the cow, pig, and chicken populations if it weren't for the meat industry . It's a conundrum.
https://tinyurl.com/CellBasedProduct ?
Personally I wouldn't try it. Once I stopped eating meat I lost utter desire for tasting meat (real or fake) anymore. Even its smell is unappetising for me. It's one of the positive side effects of being vegetarian/vegan.
Besides, meat growing in a lab from animal cells? Would you eat that? :)
I remember the whole pink slime thing grossed me out when I first heard about it. And it's true , when you get away from junk food , and other things like baloney and cheeseburgers and fast food , you'll feel like crap if you eat it again. Back in college when I was lifting all the time , I spent about three months eating perfectly clean .
I had one cheeseburger at the end of all that, and I thought I was going to throw up . I was sick the whole day . I also have had family members and friends eat clean for several weeks, and the first time they ate a hot dog or frozen pizza they became severely nauseous .
And it's true that if you do go without certain foods and drinks for an extended period of time , you won't miss them. I haven't had Kool-Aid or cake or pop tarts in probably seven or eight years. Once you get through those first few months without something, you're out for good if you want to be. I once went three years without a hotdog , but I screwed up and had some for July 4th. They made me feel like crap and I had to cut them out all over again. It's been well worth it though.
I've got an advantage though, in the fact that my family never really did eat fast food when I was a kid and we still don't. So I really don't have any desire for it.
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Are you suggesting that we kill all the cows and have a big barbecue to save the planet?
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 20, 2019, 10:07:48 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on Feb 20, 2019, 09:16:42 PM
Personally I wouldn't try it. Once I stopped eating meat I lost utter desire for tasting meat (real or fake) anymore. Even its smell is unappetising for me. It's one of the positive side effects of being vegetarian/vegan.
Besides, meat growing in a lab from animal cells? Would you eat that? :)
I'd sooner rather the world be eating that, than the billions of Cows producing methane destroying the atmosphere.
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Don't bother, my family produces enough of that to where I can safely say we're all doomed already.
"I hope you like your meat rare. It's not real beef, of course--the mess sergeant put it together out of protein packs and that damned soy concentrate--but I think the flavor will surprise you."
I eat the cow and absorb its powers . My farts become stronger . The world dies even faster.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2019, 10:21:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7BDiNktrLU
Man, it's been a long time since I've seen this. It reminded me of a more serious
Cannibal the Musical!. :laugh:
Quote from: LastSurvivor92 on Feb 20, 2019, 02:01:14 PM
Quote from: SM on Feb 19, 2019, 10:24:40 AM
Seriously? Jackfruit as pulled pork?
:D Exactly!
Pure gluten also makes a good meat substitute. You can find it called mock duck in Asian grocers.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Feb 20, 2019, 10:18:21 PM
"I hope you like your meat rare. It's not real beef, of course--the mess sergeant put it together out of protein packs and that damned soy concentrate--but I think the flavor will surprise you."
Deep cut.
How many nanoseconds did it take for you to recognize it?
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...twelve
What took you so long?
Quote from: SiL on Feb 19, 2019, 04:53:37 AM
Oh boy do not start on "the healthier option". It's really not. You can 100% eat a shittier vegan diet than one that includes meat.
My fiancee is a dietician and I will fight all of you on this subject so help me God.
I agree :D my sister eats only vegan sometimes and it's really annoying because there are clearly better options that are still healthy.
You certainly can be a healthy vegan though whilst also not having to worry about contributing to large scale animal torture and destroying the earth.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 20, 2019, 09:35:48 PM
I remember the whole pink slime thing grossed me out when I first heard about it. And it's true , when you get away from junk food , and other things like baloney and cheeseburgers and fast food , you'll feel like crap if you eat it again. Back in college when I was lifting all the time , I spent about three months eating perfectly clean .
I had one cheeseburger at the end of all that, and I thought I was going to throw up . I was sick the whole day . I also have had family members and friends eat clean for several weeks, and the first time they ate a hot dog or frozen pizza they became severely nauseous .
And it's true that if you do go without certain foods and drinks for an extended period of time , you won't miss them. I haven't had Kool-Aid or cake or pop tarts in probably seven or eight years. Once you get through those first few months without something, you're out for good if you want to be. I once went three years without a hotdog , but I screwed up and had some for July 4th. They made me feel like crap and I had to cut them out all over again. It's been well worth it though.
I've got an advantage though, in the fact that my family never really did eat fast food when I was a kid and we still don't. So I really don't have any desire for it.
Regarding the bold, this happened to me recently. I hadn't eaten red meat in months, and then not long ago gave in and had a burger at a pub. I felt wrong the whole day, went to the gym and could barely finish my sets, everything felt like a slog. Never again!
Neither. I love meat and I have absolutely no interest in giving it up
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 20, 2019, 09:35:48 PM
I had one cheeseburger at the end of all that, and I thought I was going to throw up . I was sick the whole day .
I've never eaten meat since I became vegan but I've had few episodes when strong smell of cooking meat and fat made me nearly to throw up. There is only one taste and smell I kinda miss. It's salmon. Don't know why.
Funny, salmon is the only flavour I ever hated. :D
If artificial meat ever comes out, I'll clearly eat it. Except if it's really expensive or linked to really dubious industrial shit.
Quote from: Oasis Nadrama on Feb 22, 2019, 02:12:27 AM
Funny, salmon is the only flavour I ever hated. :D
If artificial meat ever comes out, I'll clearly eat it. Except if it's really expensive or linked to really dubious industrial shit.
Have you heard of the Impossible Burger?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63FHZy_7-qs&t=