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Posted by The Old One
 - Jul 29, 2019, 04:30:21 AM
Ouch Fred Dekker, you'll trigger Neill Blomkamp with such a statement about the memorability of certain characters of AlienĀ³/Aliens, even though you're correct to the majority of a modern audience.
Posted by TeeJay
 - Jul 28, 2019, 01:55:50 AM
The premise of The Predator was weak. Predators are about challenge and adversity in the Hunt and the overwhelming danger a single one presents to human beings. The only purpose of a super predator was to amplify the sense of danger. Yet, in the end, the super predator was eliminated handily. This mocked the idea of genetic enhancement, which itself has been done before. Plus, Olivia Munn was badly miscast and executed by script writers and actress alike. She behaved like a Navy Seal who happened to have a genetics degree and was, like the clown scientists in Alien: Covenant, quite unscientific. Black tried too hard to replicate the chemistry of the boys in the first Predator movie but ended up with a group less impressive than that in Predators. In the end, the danger arose for a bit and then was eliminated. The rest of the story - the end of the direction it was headed - was just left hanging. Coming to our world? Heck, no! The Predator didn't go anywhere except in a circle. We needed a home run. We got a long fly foul ball.
Posted by Kradan
 - Jul 22, 2019, 09:07:25 PM
Fugitive is great predator's design. One day you'll admit it!
Posted by Voodoo Magic
 - Jul 22, 2019, 07:13:45 PM
Quote from: Jenga on Jul 22, 2019, 05:54:09 PM
To "PsyKor" what a great analogy! "The Predator" is totally the Robocop 3 of the predator franchise. Bigger action, no brains, new cast, removal of what made the original great while doing a half-hearted tone-deaf retread of some ideas while completely abandoning others. THIS movie is tragically bad and it breaks my heart that so many amazing creature people worked on it. It's sad how good creature work can essentially be tarnished by bad movies and vice versa.

I'm going to place this right here....



...and disappear. ;D



Posted by Jenga
 - Jul 22, 2019, 05:54:09 PM
To "PsyKor" what a great analogy! "The Predator" is totally the Robocop 3 of the predator franchise. Bigger action, no brains, new cast, removal of what made the original great while doing a half-hearted tone-deaf retread of some ideas while completely abandoning others. THIS movie is tragically bad and it breaks my heart that so many amazing creature people worked on it. It's sad how good creature work can essentially be tarnished by bad movies and vice versa.
Posted by Huggs
 - Jul 22, 2019, 04:41:13 PM
The only parts of The Predator I could tolerate were the opening in the woods, the interior parts of the base escape, and a few moments in the forest hunt at the end.

As far as I'm concerned, the franchise excels at close quarters horror and sci-fi. Politics and global implications are just not its thing. Hostile predators hunting people in the subway, in buildings, alleyways, patches of forest. That's where the magic is.
Posted by HumanPredator
 - Jul 22, 2019, 03:20:06 PM
"So our idea was that their planet is dying. And so they've decided to take what previously was explored, which is to dope up creatures with the DNA of other types of predators from alien worlds and create new targets for their hunt. But now they realized, well, hey, we need maybe to upgrade ourselves just to survive. And then they go to themselves, well, hey, earth is warming up. We like a warm environment. Maybe we should move in. So the premise of the movie is that in the third act was these two predators come aboard the ship and everybody's freaking out and the predators actually want to communicate. They want to say, "Hey, we've got a problem, you have a problem. Maybe we should team up." "

This whole thing of "this happens...and that happens...and this happens" is why the movie failed.  This whole idea was garbage.
Posted by Kradan
 - Jul 22, 2019, 08:22:02 AM
Quote from: Glaive on Jul 19, 2019, 11:30:47 PM
There's a new Predator film??

Yeah, something they call The Predator. Not sure what it is though. But trailers look ... interesting.
Posted by Enjoy
 - Jul 21, 2019, 05:36:24 PM
It was a step or three backwards for sure. The begining scene with the predator jumping from tree to tree and getting guts pourd on his face is still fun to watch.
It is by far the most unrewatchable  predator film. With tiny silvers of entertainment scattered about.

I hope Disney can do better.
Posted by Nameless_1
 - Jul 20, 2019, 06:58:24 PM
Even the lab escape scene is terrible once you closely watch it and see all of the poor choreography, from soldiers with rifles trying to attack at close range to the Fugitive's terrible gun handling.
Posted by Glaive
 - Jul 19, 2019, 11:30:47 PM
There's a new Predator film??
Posted by Wysps
 - Jul 17, 2019, 02:10:51 PM
Quote from: razeak on Jul 14, 2019, 10:41:48 PM
Perfect storm of bad script, bad casting, bad directing, and studio meddling.  I gave it another try, but it was worse since I already knew the humorous moments.

These two franchises have it rough. That could be a documentary on its own. You have to do something new, but it should probably be slight deviations rather than total overhauls .

This so much. I mean, if you're going to make changes, at least do it incrementally imo. Don't completely change things so its almost like a different franchise altogether.
Posted by Enjoy
 - Jul 16, 2019, 05:20:04 AM
seems like hollywood lies ? :o
Posted by Enjoy
 - Jul 16, 2019, 01:14:55 AM
I almost feel that this is all political or out of spite or just about paying off some Fox ceo's private island and not about making a great movie that sticks to what makes predator interesting. Legend studios stan winston for example.
I need another pay check so make a predator movie dont care the fans will pay anyway.
Posted by dinosauriac
 - Jul 16, 2019, 12:21:43 AM
That interview is just headache-inducing. Shane and Fred seem like okay guys, and I've got a lot of respect for their early work, but this just reads like someone who doesn't understand the basics of the universe they're working in. Every idea that was thrown out was legitimately worse than what was put in or made no logical sense whatsoever, and what actually end up in the movie was terrible to begin with.

When you have the balls to conduct interviews pre-release saying "we'd only do this if it's a real event picture!" and talk up how it's their dream project etc. Then the final product looks like a SyFy Original, feeling cheaper than AVPR and dumber than Alien Resurrection. Not to mention the sheer hubris of calling it THE Predator, like some franchise reboot.. God the more I learn about this thing the worse it is.
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