Which Predator will be October's Paid DLC?

Started by RidgeTop, Sep 05, 2021, 12:54:01 AM

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Tiki (Datamined Original Pred class name)
1 (9.1%)
Mr. Black
7 (63.6%)
Falconer
1 (9.1%)
Scar
1 (9.1%)
Fugitive
1 (9.1%)
Celtic
0 (0%)
Wolf
0 (0%)
Ahab
0 (0%)
Scarface
0 (0%)
Some other original Predator
0 (0%)
Some other EU Predator
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: Oct 15, 2021, 12:54:01 AM

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Which Predator will be October's Paid DLC? (Read 6,421 times)

SuperiorIronman

Hotfix 2.29 is out.

According to Oldkinghamlet on Reddit, Exile apparently is supposed to be one of the Predators from Hunters 1. He doesn't really look like them but I guess we can say we got a Predator from the franchise finally even if it was only from a comic. If I had to noprize this he's probably from that group and got away since he doesn't look like any of them. Alternatively he died before the events of Hunters. Though it's more likely the design was influenced by them.

Wweyland

Nice to get a Predator from the comics, I really enjoyed the first Hunters.
So the AvP masks are called with different names, not Celtic and Chopper?
I hope this wasn't the last DLC!

RidgeTop

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Oct 28, 2021, 11:50:35 PM
Hotfix 2.29 is out.

According to Oldkinghamlet on Reddit, Exile apparently is supposed to be one of the Predators from Hunters 1. He doesn't really look like them but I guess we can say we got a Predator from the franchise finally even if it was only from a comic. If I had to noprize this he's probably from that group and got away since he doesn't look like any of them. Alternatively he died before the events of Hunters. Though it's more likely the design was influenced by them.

Yeah definitely inspired or a nod to those Preds, rather than a direct pull from the comic.

Quote from: Wweyland on Oct 29, 2021, 06:27:32 AM
Nice to get a Predator from the comics, I really enjoyed the first Hunters.
So the AvP masks are called with different names, not Celtic and Chopper?
I hope this wasn't the last DLC!

I really don't think this is the last DLC we'll be seeing. Hopefully we have a new roadmap in December.

SuperiorIronman

Quote from: Wweyland on Oct 29, 2021, 06:27:32 AM
Nice to get a Predator from the comics, I really enjoyed the first Hunters.
So the AvP masks are called with different names, not Celtic and Chopper?
I hope this wasn't the last DLC!

The DLC does have it stated the skin for the warclub will be available in December so roughly about this time then we will get a new roadmap.

Best guess as to why they're changed is that due to licensing they have access to the iconography, just not the characters who used them. So because the masks are named after the character they have to get renamed since we didn't actually get Celtic and Chopper. No idea why Falconer got renamed though. It could be something in that case from the I.P holders since Isabelle is wearing that mask. Could be they didn't want her wearing Falconer's mask so she's wearing one that looks like it, just not the mask Falconer actually wore. That would also explain the weird coloration since his mask wasn't this rusted out color.

Voodoo Magic

Voodoo Magic

#64
Quote from: Biggles on Oct 28, 2021, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 28, 2021, 03:26:44 PM
I think we may just have Single Player Predator matches now!


  • Fireteam Bots will now chase after the Predator if the Predator is the only player in the match

I would be more enthused about this if they didn't have laser flippin accuracy. Whenever I've tried out a build with them previously as soon as they spot me it's instaslaughter :)

Don't forget.... you have a great assortment *of modifiers in Private Matches, allowing you to make the Predator overly strong and the Fireteam overly weak. Just find the balance that is the perfect balanced challenge for you and you're all set!  :)

*edit for grammar


May 22, 2022, 09:33:48 AM

Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 28, 2021, 09:19:05 PM
On the public matches I had today I was lagging way too much, something is wrong. On private matches even when I had 300+ ping seemed better so I guess its a problem on their servers.

Yeah, me and Kailem turned on our crossplay to party up with RidgeTop on PC last night and there was some definite problems we experienced across the board with general stability and matchmaking, that went away when RidgeTop switched over to PS5. I would definitely make a note of everything you're experiencing in Illfonic's Bug Report threads.

Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Oct 28, 2021, 11:50:35 PM
Hotfix 2.29 is out.

According to Oldkinghamlet on Reddit, Exile apparently is supposed to be one of the Predators from Hunters 1. He doesn't really look like them but I guess we can say we got a Predator from the franchise finally even if it was only from a comic. If I had to noprize this he's probably from that group and got away since he doesn't look like any of them. Alternatively he died before the events of Hunters. Though it's more likely the design was influenced by them.

Yeah, I would have LOVED a design directly pulled from the comic.





But alas, I truly believe Illfonic would if they could. And I'm still very happy with what we got with Exiled.

The Shuriken

How many trophies could be obtained using bots in Fire Team and Predator?

Biggles

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 29, 2021, 01:10:13 PM
Quote from: Biggles on Oct 28, 2021, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 28, 2021, 03:26:44 PM
I think we may just have Single Player Predator matches now!


  • Fireteam Bots will now chase after the Predator if the Predator is the only player in the match

I would be more enthused about this if they didn't have laser flippin accuracy. Whenever I've tried out a build with them previously as soon as they spot me it's instaslaughter :)

Don't forget.... you have a great assortment *of modifiers in Private Matches, allowing you to make the Predator overly strong and the Fireteam overly weak. Just find the balance that is the perfect balanced challenge for you and you're all set!  :)

*edit for grammar

Ah, good point, thanks! I forgot about the options. I'll give it a go for a bit of movie-style single player RP.

Galactus123

Galactus123

#67
I wonder why they release these new Predator designs? They look cool but wouldn't movie Predators sell better? I think it would make more sense to release Celtic and Mr. Black. Not just masks.

Voodoo Magic

Quote from: Galactus123 on Oct 30, 2021, 12:52:06 PM
I wonder why they release these new Predator designs? They look cool but wouldn't movie Predators sell better? I think it would make more sense to release Celtic and Mr. Black. Not just masks.

Something just tells me they can't. And maybe it's a newer thing. Illfonic couldn't even come out and directly acknowledge that the Exile Predator was inspired by the Predator Hunters comic, let alone directly lift one if its designs. Jared had to do it on social media through a personal account in a roundabout way.



Add that to calling these masks Salamander, Mors and Foxtrot and it seems their dancing around enforced licensing restrictions.


SuperiorIronman

It has to be a licensing restriction. We know continuity is separated by brand and by extension license, and given those masks are named after the characters that used them it only makes sense they'd get a name change. We know the Thomas brothers have access to the AVP stuff, but it seems based on Hunting Grounds that they have access to the iconography, just not the characters. That might even be an indicator of what Disney ultimately owns provided the lawsuit goes south.

Falconer is a weird one but I speculate that's over Isabelle. Mr.Black is a name used by Berserker, and with the game having it's own Berserker it only makes sense to rename it to avoid confusion. In the case of Isabelle I suspect that because of Isabelle having the mask on her back someone made them change the name as to suggest a different Falconer. I wouldn't know specifically why, but that would explain the name change and default color being bronze.

I really doubt the supers are a separate license. That'd be a bit weird and while I could ask OKH I doubt he'd know. Like why would the supers be a separate license but not the characters like Isabelle and Royce? Maybe there is some weird legal crap like with the AVP stuff. Though I chalk it up to the issues with the head as to why they didn't do the characters and did the helmets instead.

Voodoo Magic

I don't think the lawsuit impacts this at all. The Thomas Brothers has no rights over any incarnation of the Hunter/Predator yet and when that will occur will be decided in court next year.

This could be as simple as old management said Illfonic has access to everything Predator, and new management said... not so fast, there's additional fees to pay. And perhaps they paid it for Isabelle?

Regarding "Mr. Black", that might not not even be a copyrighted name by 20th Century Studios. It may just be known as "Berserker" in their book, so a rename wasn't required.

Alas, it is all very weird and hard to decode as an outsider looking in.

Galactus123

Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 30, 2021, 01:45:23 PM
Quote from: Galactus123 on Oct 30, 2021, 12:52:06 PM
I wonder why they release these new Predator designs? They look cool but wouldn't movie Predators sell better? I think it would make more sense to release Celtic and Mr. Black. Not just masks.

Something just tells me they can't. And maybe it's a newer thing. Illfonic couldn't even come out and directly acknowledge that the Exile Predator was inspired by the Predator Hunters comic, let alone directly lift one if its designs. Jared had to do it on social media through a personal account in a roundabout way.

Add that to calling these masks Salamander, Mors and Foxtrot and it seems their dancing around enforced licensing restrictions.

Maybe but I don't think they would be able to include those masks if they weren't allowed to use AVP stuff. They could just release full Celtic and use that other name.

SiL

Every film and piece of media is legally a distinct entity and the studio can license out pieces of them however they see fit.

One of the weirder distinctions I've seen is that all the armour and weapons had to be redesigned for the Hobbit trilogy movies because the right to original pieces were owned by a different film studio - despite Weta doing the work on both movies.

My guess is there's nothing stopping them using individual design pieces, but putting it together as an actual "character" - even with a name change - oversteps whatever boundary is in place.

Voodoo Magic

Quote from: Biggles on Oct 29, 2021, 08:33:11 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 29, 2021, 01:10:13 PM
Quote from: Biggles on Oct 28, 2021, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 28, 2021, 03:26:44 PM
I think we may just have Single Player Predator matches now!


  • Fireteam Bots will now chase after the Predator if the Predator is the only player in the match

I would be more enthused about this if they didn't have laser flippin accuracy. Whenever I've tried out a build with them previously as soon as they spot me it's instaslaughter :)

Don't forget.... you have a great assortment *of modifiers in Private Matches, allowing you to make the Predator overly strong and the Fireteam overly weak. Just find the balance that is the perfect balanced challenge for you and you're all set!  :)

*edit for grammar

Ah, good point, thanks! I forgot about the options. I'll give it a go for a bit of movie-style single player RP.

So I gave the bots a try last night versus me as the Predator, and unfortunately, they are definitely not ready for primetime in this way yet. Better to continue and single player the Predator against the A.I. and go hunting in their encampments and just leave the bots to accompanying a Fireteam player (if needed.) Hopefully they'll keep working on it though, and Illfonic will continue to keep improving them to the day they end support.

Biggles

Ah bugger. Thanks for reporting back. I hadn't tried yet due to being away and then too ill to focus on ripping people's spines out.

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