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So while I probably didn't get all of the various timelines/'canons' or otherwise had organized them properly, but after having spent so much time trolling the internet and other forums and seeing just the sheer volume of content for Alien and its various 'licenses' so to speak, I was curious as to what canon you guys like the most, whether for personal projects or writing or just out of preference!

Original films plus the two prequels.

Colonial Marines isn't canon according to people that worked on the Alien RPG, so you can't really include both of these in the same continuity

Quote from: SiL on Nov 20, 2022, 04:54:19 AMOriginal films plus the two prequels.

I would throw Isolation in for good measure

My personal take on canon would be:
 Alien, Aliens as real events
 Alien 3 as half true, no one really knowing what came to happen of Ripley
 Isolation as canon
 Aliens Fireteam Elite being essentially a in-universe legend simulator, as WeyYu caused more small Xeno outbreaks stories and myths began spreading across colonies, and AFTE essentially being a bunch of those(basically soft canon)
 Prometheus and Covenant with heavy readjusts, like reincorporating the fact David is only copying a preexisting "blueprint" or sorts of the Xenomorph egg, and that the Engineers aren't the creators of the aliens, blackgoo, and aren't the space jockeys either.

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Nov 20, 2022, 06:28:49 AMColonial Marines isn't canon according to people that worked on the Alien RPG, so you can't really include both of these in the same continuity

Yeah, none of the above options work because of this.

Quote from: Kradan on Nov 20, 2022, 06:50:36 AM

Quote from: SiL on Nov 20, 2022, 04:54:19 AMOriginal films plus the two prequels.

I would throw Isolation in for good measure

I would burn anything that shoehorns itself between stories with relatives of memorable characters in a f**king fire.

Great game. Shit story.

Quote from: SiL on Nov 20, 2022, 09:59:13 AM

Quote from: Kradan on Nov 20, 2022, 06:50:36 AM

Quote from: SiL on Nov 20, 2022, 04:54:19 AMOriginal films plus the two prequels.

I would throw Isolation in for good measure

I would burn anything that shoehorns itself between stories with relatives of memorable characters in a f**king fire.

Great game. Shit story.

But Amanda isn't a new character? She was introduced in Aliens

Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Nov 20, 2022, 10:00:53 AM

Quote from: SiL on Nov 20, 2022, 09:59:13 AM

Quote from: Kradan on Nov 20, 2022, 06:50:36 AM

Quote from: SiL on Nov 20, 2022, 04:54:19 AMOriginal films plus the two prequels.

I would throw Isolation in for good measure

I would burn anything that shoehorns itself between stories with relatives of memorable characters in a f**king fire.

Great game. Shit story.

But Amanda isn't a new character? She was introduced in Aliens

When did I say anything about new characters?

Her adventures are shoehorned in between two films that clearly do not support the events happening and they used her as a connection to Ripley. Whether she's established or pulled out of thin air for the game is entirely irrelevant.

I like the story, throw stones at me, the Amanda Ripley thing feels earned at the end of the day.

The six Alien movies.

There's other stuff I really like (Isolation, the Alex White novels, the RPG, select Dark Horse comics), but I consider them all to be more ancillary works.

Whatever is applicable for the film I'm watching

Quote from: Stitch on Nov 20, 2022, 01:02:55 PMWhatever is applicable for the film I'm watching

Also, this.

I never really know what is canon anymore and what RPG books I'd have to read so I'm just rolling with it.

AVP Canon... At least, Pre-Disney Canon anyway. For me it goes like this--

Predator, Predator 2, AVP, AvP-R, Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Alien vs Predator (Rebellion 1999), Alien vs Predator 2 (Monolith), Alien vs Predator 3 (Rebellion 2010), and Alien Resurrection.

Quote from: Stitch on Nov 20, 2022, 01:02:55 PMWhatever is applicable for the film I'm watching

This, and generally being as reductive as possible. For example, Prometheus requires no other films or content to be canon to it. Likewise, Alien requires no other films or content to be canon to it. While say, Alien 3 requires Alien and Aliens, but nothing else. And so on.

It's an approach that's been running strong for nearly 70 years at this point with Godzilla.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 20, 2022, 08:47:40 PMIt's an approach that's been running strong for nearly 70 years at this point with Godzilla.

I learned from the king.

Pretty much everything but I don't worry about canon that much.

Pre-Prometheus, as it's challenging to come up with an "origin" stories that clashes with corporate/blue collar ethos of the previous movies, if not horror and/or action. At best, they could have extended the franchise by working on stories like those from the audio dramas and games like Isolation.

For the origin stories, they would have probably needed something like a political thriller combined with procedural. That would be interesting in the form of a mini-series.

About crossovers with Predator, I read somewhere that one reason the AVP franchise didn't do very well is because the audience faced combinations of up to three sets of protagonists/antagonists.

For me it's alien 1-3 and the two prequels.

Quote from: Some Old Dude on Nov 21, 2022, 07:25:38 AMFor me it's alien 1-3 and the two prequels.

Give Rez a chance without taking things so seriously, you might end up having a good time. It's very silly but it was getting made either way and the version we got (rather than what we could have got) is a lot of fun in the right context.

Quote from: ralfy on Nov 21, 2022, 01:24:19 AMAbout crossovers with Predator, I read somewhere that one reason the AVP franchise didn't do very well is because the audience faced combinations of up to three sets of protagonists/antagonists.

I think it was just that the AvP movies were a bit shit. And I say that having just defended Resurrection in the same post.

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Quote from: Some Old Dude on Nov 21, 2022, 07:25:38 AMFor me it's alien 1-3 and the two prequels.

Give Rez a chance without taking things so seriously, you might end up having a good time. It's very silly but it was getting made either way and the version we got (rather than what we could have got) is a lot of fun in the right context.
 

Im old enough to have seen it in the 90's and several times since. No matter how many chances I give it, as good as it's strengths are, it sucks and I don't like it enough to count it as canon.

I'm a bit torn on what 'canon' to accept myself; They all have their Pros/Cons and they're all really cool IMO. One canon that I've been working with or thinking about a lot are the more recent materials via games and their supplementary materials that are more in line with Cameron's visions and ideas

Namely - Aliens: Colonial Marines, FireTeam Elite, AVP: The Hunt Begins (mostly in terms of 'castes' or Xenomorph phenotypes) along with the other films, the Weyland Yutani Report, and the RPG books to help 'smooth over' other stuff and help 'connect the dots' as much as possible while still allowing some freedom for extrapolation or personal ideas/thoughts; For example, I'm a bit partial to the idea that Xenomorphs are indeed a 'natural' species, or at least had some progenitor like them, and I'll admit I'm a sucker for the phenotypic diversity or nomenclature/dynamics presented in the aforementioned materials (allows for diversity or unique designs without going full 'Kenner' per-say)

I would pick the pre promethues one, but adding Isolation and removing Resurrection, as that is more of a parody to me.

Prometheus came out in 2012, and Alien Isolation in 2014, so I understand why it is not an option here.

I would easily vote option four, but it is inaccurate, Colonial Marines does not factor into the new canon or current continuity. It should be removed from that particular option. And probably substituted with Alien The Cold Forge, as it is the one novel with by far the biggest influence on the current expanded universe continuity, visible in The RPG, Fireteam Elite, and of course many other novels.

Also Prometheus released in 2012, so the first option should not include Colonial Marines either, being it released in 2013.

@Kenner_Alien_Kaste

Personal canon masterrace coming through

ALIEN, ALIENS, ALIEN 3, RESURRECTION, ISOLATION. Not really bothered by the rest. Although Resurrection is what it is, I do like the idea of the Ripley clone.

I go by the OG trilogy and everything else is what ifs. 

When talking comics I throw the comics in their own continuity but don't try to fit the movies in them.  Especially since Marvel nuked DHs stuff.

Same with games/novels/terrible prequels/terrible sequels/terrible vs movies etc.

It really doesn't matter what the suits say.  The suits went out of their way back in the day to tell everybody that all the DH stuff was canon.  Then disney/marvel laid the mouse weiner down.  I don't particularly think that they will try very hard to work all of their movies into a working canon either under the mouse house.  If they are writing standalone movies I see it as a way to kind of test the waters of where fan interest is. 

If it isn't in new standalone movies with new characters, then I fully expect them to reboot the franchise. 

Right: the first four movies do well, but with the latter two affected by various issues. Isolation could have been a very helpful contribution, together with some of the audio dramas from Audible.

I think Alien, Alien Isolation, Aliens and perhaps Alien 3(maybe, on fence about it even I like it) work well as a basic core that should be canon, anything added to that could just be what ifs or parodies (Alien rez), well atleast if they are messing with the lore. Prometheus and Covenant don't belong in my opinion, not only aesthetically, but it adds stuff that just contradicts stuff and even reduces the alien and the world building in my opinion.

In my humble canon, the prequels coexist with the 4 Alien movies plus Scorn, which takes place in the post-Resurrection future ~ 👀👉🏻👈🏻

I seen trailers of that game, very giger-esq, so I certainly see the appeal. It would be a fun easter but I doubt it has anything to do with Alien.

Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 25, 2022, 06:46:39 PMIn my humble canon, the prequels coexist with the 4 Alien movies plus Scorn, which takes place in the post-Resurrection future ~ 👀👉🏻👈🏻

But where does Species fit in?

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 26, 2022, 01:46:02 AMBut where does Species fit in?

"Species is the key to all of this"

I also like to look at alternative and external canons where the Alien and Predator movies have taken place.

For example, the Alien/Predator/Dredd crossovers are considered canon within the Dredd universe. The events of Val Verde are explicitly mentioned in the first Dredd/Predator crossover, meaning that the events of the first movie are canon within the Dredd universe. By proxy, it also stands to reason that the events of the second film, and the Dark Horse EU also take place. Presumably, the AVP movies also have transpired but the Alien movies do not.

For me it Directors cut of all the movies, But head canon Alien 3 ending is queen bursting out, And that it's a "Dog Alien" Not an Ox.

AVP movies exist in the storyline. And then add the Predator movies prior to the events of AVP.

One Big shared universe!

As of late, my 'personal' canon I suppose is kind of a mish-mosh in a way (ie I try to tie the Prequels in with AVP and the original quadrilogy, and even supplementary materials)

But if I had to give a more 'definite' canon, then I'd say for 'timeline' (that is to say main events/regarding the main cast) it's primarily Prequels ---> Quadrilogy, but that for the universe itself I'm actually going for that AND the AVP Roleplaying Game, FireTeam Elite, and the 'Hunt Begins' Tabletop, which in turn kinda tethers some of the AVP and Predator franchise lore together...

Can you fix your poll options?

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 26, 2022, 02:54:44 PMCab you fix your poll options?

I can try, what do you think I should change it too.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 23, 2022, 01:39:08 PMPrometheus came out in 2012, and Alien Isolation in 2014, so I understand why it is not an option here.

I would easily vote option four, but it is inaccurate, Colonial Marines does not factor into the new canon or current continuity. It should be removed from that particular option. And probably substituted with Alien The Cold Forge, as it is the one novel with by far the biggest influence on the current expanded universe continuity, visible in The RPG, Fireteam Elite, and of course many other novels.

Also Prometheus released in 2012, so the first option should not include Colonial Marines either, being it released in 2013.

@Kenner_Alien_Kaste

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 26, 2022, 08:45:45 PM

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 23, 2022, 01:39:08 PMPrometheus came out in 2012, and Alien Isolation in 2014, so I understand why it is not an option here.

I would easily vote option four, but it is inaccurate, Colonial Marines does not factor into the new canon or current continuity. It should be removed from that particular option. And probably substituted with Alien The Cold Forge, as it is the one novel with by far the biggest influence on the current expanded universe continuity, visible in The RPG, Fireteam Elite, and of course many other novels.

Also Prometheus released in 2012, so the first option should not include Colonial Marines either, being it released in 2013.

@Kenner_Alien_Kaste

There we go! Hope it's better

QuoteHer adventures are shoehorned in between two films that clearly do not support the events happening

What were the contradictions?

That any of it happened.

The very existence of Amanda Ripley has issues in the context of Alien 1979, Isolation itself unto itself, does not.

I prefer my canon.

Quote from: SiL on Dec 05, 2022, 08:28:05 PMThat any of it happened.

The movies provide the situational elements necessary for Isolation to exist. That's all the support the game needs, imo.

Unless I've missed a contradiction between game and film that makes the events of Isolation impossible?

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 06, 2022, 01:18:22 AMThe very existence of Amanda Ripley has issues in the context of Alien 1979, Isolation itself unto itself, does not.

What are those issues?

The idea of Ripley having a kid itself's a retrofit, that changes the character into something else entirely so Aliens' narrative functions, and boxes the character into a gender role and arguably changes the class that previously Ridley Scott made deliberate choices about that have since been retconned.

Amanda Ripley having a tussle with an Alien in-between films' small potatoes in comparison to the retcons upon Ripley already widely accepted by filmgoers.

Idk. Just going by the film, it's no stretch for me to think any of the Nostromo crewmembers sans Ash had kids.

Aliens' narrative functions with or without Amy, as proven by the theatrical cut. Ripley is the same person making the same choices.

Prometheus, Alien Covenant, Alien, Alien Isolation, Aliens, Alien 3 (Some comics included as well)

I've grown to appreciate Alien 3 but think they could have definitely chosen elsewhere to go with that story, but concludes the Alien(s) Characters story so have to include it.

Honestly didn't have a problem with Alien Isolation, that would have made a better Alien 3 than what we got in my opinion (leaping back in time).

Overall I feel like these movies just opened to many doors for other directors feeling the need to "leave their stamp" so to speak. Which caused a great divide and why they continued to stray away from the original theme or creature designs (in both franchises).

And if we had to talk about the counter part

Prey, Predator, Predator 2

Quote from: Kelgaard on Dec 07, 2022, 11:38:29 AMThe movies provide the situational elements necessary for Isolation to exist. That's all the support the game needs, imo.

It requires trite conspiracies to make sure Amanda can discover a major Alien infestation, get picked up after surviving it - and nobody speaks of it ever again.

It's not "impossible" to fit it and I never said it was, but only with some lazy hand waving.

Does it? How so?

or maybe Amanda dies after it and the story is covered up by WY because the sequels to the game from the comics are no longer canon, at this point it's up to interpretation

If she dies then that contradicts what we hear in Aliens.

Which  would also require a trite conspiracy to sweep under the rug to make it work. "Burke is lying", "WY covered it up", whatever, it's all the same.

If she survives and tells people you need a conspiracy to cover it up. If she dies you need a conspiracy to connect it to the movies.

Yeah it was kind of retcon to the life that we presumed Amanda in Aliens went through, which didn't include her fighting aliens, in comics was even worse cus you have her going vs WY while in Isolation is just an isolated thing. They thought using Ripley name would get more people to buy the game and wanted to tier it harder with the storyline and characters from the movies.

I don't see how it's any more of a conspiracy than the whole Nostromo incident being forgotten about or swept under the rug somewhere.

Maybe Amanda just kept what happened to herself, or Burke simply did not look into what Amanda may or may not have done in her youth, same shit different generation.

Except the part where SO937 is established as seedy underhanded business that resulted in the loss of a multimillion dollar vessel and its crew that someone would absolutely want to wipe their hands of.

But also "it's not much of a conspiracy" is not a great retort to "it requires a conspiracy".

Just like Special Order 939, and the disappearance of Sevastopol.

Only Sevastopol Station being decommissioned at the time, likely means the company overall would not care as much about what happened to it as much as the Nostromo, which had much more valuable cargo.

I'm not sure what your point's supposed to be honestly because it does not require a conspiracy of any kind.

My point is more than clear.

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Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 07, 2022, 12:05:44 PMThe idea of Ripley having a kid itself's a retrofit

I seem to recall that Ripley having a daughter was part of her internal backstory as far back as the making of 'Alien' (with Ripley singing "you are my lucky star" to calm herself down as she preps to blow the Alien out of the shuttle because the song was something she'd sing to her daughter) but I could be completely mistaken on this.

I'll see if the novelization has anything, that was written before 'Aliens' was a glimmer in James Cameron's mind.

Edit-- checked the end of the novelization, nothing.

I grew up with the quadrilogy and the two AvP games but the moment I got introduced to the DH comic line I realised I much prefer the expanded universe format for the franchise, same goes for Starship Troopers and (sadly) Star Wars. Such universes shouldn't be bound to a single medium or story line, rather they need to be used and viewed as entire universes where anything goes as long as it follows the core themes and concepts.

Unfortunately for both the Alien and SST franchise their expanded material is going the way of Star Wars... Being "unified" and stripped down to meet the demands of their modern sequels and overall expansion.

I still consider the quadrilogy my personal "core canon" and the one I feel was satisfyingly concluded.

I have a multi-canon approach:

Top tier / preferred canon:

Alien: Director's Cut, Alien Isolation (with Alien: Blackout as an extension of that story), Aliens: Special Edition, Alien 3: Assembly Cut

Acceptable Canon:

Prometheus, Alien Covenant, Alien: Director's Cut, Alien Isolation (with Alien: Blackout as an extension of that story), Aliens: Newt's Tale (1st act) Aliens: Special Edition, Aliens: Colonial Marines (*events only, not exactly as we see in game, similar to 'Alien Trilogy'), Alien 3: Assembly Cut, Aliens Fireteam Elite


(Absolutely no Alien Resurrection, or AvP).


As for Predator movie canon:

Prey, Predator, Predator 2

(no Predators or the Predator, and no AvP movies)

Set Alien canon...
ALIEN, ALIENS & ALIEN 3

Tentative Alien canon...
PROMETHEUS, ALIEN: COVENANT & ALIEN: RESURRECTION

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Set Predator canon...
PREY, PREDATOR & PREDATOR 2

Tentative Predator canon...
PREDATORS

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Non-canon...
AVP, AVP: REQUIEM & THE PREDATOR

To me video games, comics, non-movie novels, manuals, RPG lore or anything crossover or AVP is by default NOT canon. With that said, I do appreciate ALIEN: ISOLATION and the ALIENS RPG as well some of the new novels and comics, but I don't see them as canon sources.

First two films, possibly Cold Forge and Isolation (though I can take or leave them).

I consider most games and comics to be non-canon but Isolation is acceptable for me.

My thing is that even the generally less received films like The Predator, Predators, Alien 3, and AVPR for example, generally has interesting core story ideas like the introduction of bad blood Predators that kidnaps and hunts humans in a private game preserve, or a necessary clean up operation on Earth from an Alien infestation. Just that the executions are terrible as hell.

For that, my canon would simply be these films exist with the core premise but done better. What changes for that itself would be a novel  :laugh:  but I think you might get my idea. That is for the film series and I just don't feel like going through all the other media right now cuz that's another laundry list  :laugh:

My own canon? Alien, Aliens, maybe Alien 3 (totally not against the idea of it being a hypersleep dream), definitely not Alien Resurrection although I do love that movie, definitely not the prequels or the AvP films. I totally see Predator, Predator 2, Prey being in the same continuity, but definitely not Predators or The Predator. Predators is fine, but it just devolves into making blatant homages to the first film.

In terms of games.. I would only consider Alien Isolation to actually be canon and I would consider the majority if not the rest of the expanded universe to be non-canon. I mean I love Cold Forge, Into Charybdis, Echo, and Phalanx but if I really think about Cold Forge and Into Charybdis, a lot of it doesn't fit or doesn't make sense when you try to apply it with the films. Echo and Phalanx could easily be canon because they totally stand on their own. And that's it for me.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Nov 20, 2022, 11:05:15 AMI like the story, throw stones at me, the Amanda Ripley thing feels earned at the end of the day.

Isolation earns the Ripley connection at the end of it all and it works for it. I completely get SiL' arguments against the game - it did contradict what we knew of Amanda's life, and it does require the "Burke was lying" handwaving away, but at the end of it all it gets a pass because it was a genuinely good game that earns and works with the emotional core to the narrative.

In regards to canon...it took me far too long to realize we didn't need to care about canon. As a concept it's actually meaningless to us as fans. It matters only for the people who are working within the franchise to know which other entries they're supposed to actually take note. Something being canon doesn't effect it's quality and it's a shame franchises started to weaponize it as a marketing buzz.

Ultimately something's canon status doesn't make me like or dislike something. If an entries good, it's good.

In my head, I'm basically thinking Burke really didn't know about anything until the that board inquiry they had in the film. So those events during Isolation ultimately happened, but it was something that was ultimately just beyond Burke. What I don't like are the books and comics that feature Amanda.

Torn between the first 3 and the comics. I collected some as a kid and they are kickass. The quality of the stories can vary though. I really dislike Prometheus/Covenant and don't consider it canon. Never got into the books.

Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 03, 2023, 08:16:47 AMIn regards to canon...it took me far too long to realize we didn't need to care about canon. As a concept it's actually meaningless to us as fans. It matters only for the people who are working within the franchise to know which other entries they're supposed to actually take note. Something being canon doesn't effect it's quality and it's a shame franchises started to weaponize it as a marketing buzz.

Ultimately something's canon status doesn't make me like or dislike something. If an entries good, it's good.

I've been saying this for years! For years!

But nooooo, all of you whippersnappers kept saying "Oh look at kooky old Xenomrph shouting at clouds again". I was right all along! Finally, vindication!

Quote from: Xenomrph on May 02, 2023, 04:12:06 AMI've been saying this for years! For years!

But nooooo, all of you whippersnappers kept saying "Oh look at kooky old Xenomrph shouting at clouds again". I was right all along! Finally, vindication!

I disagree. Canon is important to a series and people know it. Often when it comes to reboots or spinoffs, it gets messy, the new writers are revealed to be retarded, and we eventually end up clawing our way back to the original idea to try and preserve some sense of dignity.

Some icons can get away with it such as Dracula, Batman, Evil Dead, etc. but they are too excellent to be considered good examples. Some series like Silent Hill, Hellraiser, Maniac Cop etc. are dragged out way longer than their lifespan. That doesn't mean to say that rehashing is essentially good or needed, they're just not good enough ideas to carry on in the first place.

The core of Alien is definitely the first 3 films - or two depending on your thoughts - and everything else rests on it. Take that away: no spinoffs, no comics, no Prometheus or Covenant either (although that would be a plus). So somewhere along the line, you have to admit canon is critical.

Horror is an interesting genre about this. Alien is generally tidy with its movie canon, Phantasm is really strict with itself, then Halloween and Friday the 13th are all over the place. Also it's worth noting film canon is usually more respected than novels or comics, especially if the franchise initiated on film.

Is that a canon war I smell a-brewin'?

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I will say "Pre-Prometheus" + Alien Isolation

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Quote from: Year0 on May 07, 2023, 09:22:59 PM

Quote from: Xenomrph on May 02, 2023, 04:12:06 AMI've been saying this for years! For years!

But nooooo, all of you whippersnappers kept saying "Oh look at kooky old Xenomrph shouting at clouds again". I was right all along! Finally, vindication!

I disagree. Canon is important to a series and people know it. Often when it comes to reboots or spinoffs, it gets messy, the new writers are revealed to be retarded, and we eventually end up clawing our way back to the original idea to try and preserve some sense of dignity.

Some icons can get away with it such as Dracula, Batman, Evil Dead, etc. but they are too excellent to be considered good examples. Some series like Silent Hill, Hellraiser, Maniac Cop etc. are dragged out way longer than their lifespan. That doesn't mean to say that rehashing is essentially good or needed, they're just not good enough ideas to carry on in the first place.

The core of Alien is definitely the first 3 films - or two depending on your thoughts - and everything else rests on it. Take that away: no spinoffs, no comics, no Prometheus or Covenant either (although that would be a plus). So somewhere along the line, you have to admit canon is critical.

Horror is an interesting genre about this. Alien is generally tidy with its movie canon, Phantasm is really strict with itself, then Halloween and Friday the 13th are all over the place. Also it's worth noting film canon is usually more respected than novels or comics, especially if the franchise initiated on film.

Counterpoint: "official" canon is not a useful concept for the end user, and is only marginally useful for creators and can be discarded as needed.

If I were to believe that Alien Isolation, the comic series 'Aliens: Labyrinth', and the movie 'Outland' are part of my head-canon, and Alien Resurrection isn't part of it, what, exactly, would you, or Disney/Fox, or anyone else be able to do about it? Why should I be beholden to "the official canon", if my own head-canon enhances my enjoyment of the franchise? Is Disney going to come to my house and take my Aliens action figures and comics away?

Similarly, if someone were to tell me they didn't think 'Aliens' was part of their head-canon, then more power to them. I may not agree with them, but if that's what gives them maximum enjoyment then that's great.

Here's a thought experiment: tomorrow, Disney issues a decree that 'Alien' is no longer "officially canon", but the Marvel comics and some (but not all) of the Titan novels are "officially canon". What happens?

"Oh but Disney would never do that" is not an acceptable answer - Disney owns the franchise, and as such have the ability to unilaterally decide what is and is not "officially canon" at a moment's notice. In this thought experiment, they have officially "de-canonized" 'Alien'.

Do you go along with it? I mean, it's the official canon. But you also just said 'Alien' is a core part of the franchise in your view, so clearly you value it.

Not to mention, in your post you proposed discarding the prequel movies, even though they are "officially canon".

The kicker is, you already follow your own head-canon - it just (apparently) seems to align with the "official canon". The question you need to ask yourself is "why am I doing this?", "what happens if I don't?", and "does it matter?"

For more on "official canon" (and why it doesn't matter) check out the links in my signature.

Quote from: Year0 on May 07, 2023, 09:22:59 PMI disagree. Canon is important to a series and people know it. Often when it comes to reboots or spinoffs, it gets messy, the new writers are revealed to be retarded, and we eventually end up clawing our way back to the original idea to try and preserve some sense of dignity.

Absolutely do not use this kind of language on the boards, please.

That's related to the issue of being limited to the same sets of stories, e.g., something is let loose and must be contained, and then mix it with detective fiction, thriller, and conspiracy.

My head Canon go like this

Prometheus and Alien Covenant are canon but things are a bit different

Alien
Alien Isolation, even though it didn't have the best story, it decent on what it did.
Aliens
Alien 3

And Also Predator 1-3 and Prey is Canon.

The fourth entry, are to be ignored.

Especially The Predator

Turning a honorable Alien species who hunted for sport into a generic DNA splicing bad guy who wants to take over the Earth because reasons, is an absolute shit fest of a idea that utterly butchered Predator. I'll stop ranting about it now

Everything goes, but I don't appreciate connecting Blade Runner to the AvP universe, because of some easter eggs.

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How do you guys feel on blade runner And the alien franchise being connected

It doesn't match up as well as it seems it does once you get into the details, but the vibe fits wonderfully.

I realize this is the canon that has the Xenomorph have been involved in Any situation

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