QuoteI recently had the pleasure of talking with Shane Black over the phone about his brand new film The Nice Guys, and it was at the very end of the chat that we discussed his work on the next chapter of the Predator franchise. Discussing the fact that the previous movies have been all over the map in terms of world-building, but confirmed that it will be a story set in the year its released – 2018 – and will have tie backs to John McTiernan's original movie from 1987. Said Black,
"The trick is to go back in time and look at the other earlier films and say, for instance, in the first movie, what is there? Is there a scene in here that suggests something that we can almost in retrospect say, 'See, it was set up in the first one!'? How do we find that little niche?"
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/How-Predator-Solidify-Series-Complicated-Continuity-According-Shane-Black-131517.html
Interesting. I wonder what they could be trying to spin off of the first one like that.
And I wouldn't call the continuity complicated. It just doesn't have that much of a cinematic continuity as they're all largely stand alone aside from the odd small throwback to the first.
First news that is worrying me. Keep it simple.
I'm all for it, we had countless "simple" Sequels, and while they all work as contained stories, i would actually like to have one movie connected to the events of the first one.
I love Predator 2, but it would have been awesome if it would have opened with the guys in suits investigating the place with the dust and all. One of them stumbles across this Piece of metal, dusting it off it reveals the half burned mask of the original Predator, staring right in the camera *boom* Title comes in.
I would love them to really connect it to the Events in the first movie, what happend after this? Did they found something? What's the aftermath of this incident? There is much potential.
Good News for me.
Quote from: Master on May 18, 2016, 07:12:04 AM
First news that is worrying me. Keep it simple.
If they found something of legitimate interest in there, I don't think it's worrying. Not sure at this particular moment what it could be though.
i can only come up with the mothership that is orbiting Earth and dropping in preds season after season,
in the hottest regions.
Second thing is the CIA knew this from the start that they dropped the team in to encounter an alien.
Same group that is in Predator 2 with Keyes at the helm.
That team will be in the third and followed actively with Arnold next to them?
Maybe Hopper's team will play a role? Maybe some stories that Anna told will be included?
We don't know but it sounds exciting, maybe the military does know about the Predator before the events of the first movie, Keyes knows that the Predator is huning all over the world, so there must be some kind of surveillance going on.
I'm sure you've already seen Johnny but for everyone else, Fred Dekker is going to doing a podcast with Movie Crypt. Probably wont get asked but I've sent a question over about elaborating on that point.
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 18, 2016, 10:26:10 AM
Maybe some stories that Anna told will be included?
That was the first thing that came to my mind. I don't see what else there is really that wouldn't feel (to me at least) like an unnecessary fan service.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 18, 2016, 11:14:21 AM
I'm sure you've already seen Johnny but for everyone else, Fred Dekker is going to doing a podcast with Movie Crypt. Probably wont get asked but I've sent a question over about elaborating on that point.
Yeah i saw that. I don't think he will answer Predator questions though, certainly not the ones which would give away any plot points.
Questions like "are you still involved in pre-production/production?" i think have a chance of getting answered, everything else not so much, we'll see.
Even a hint would be fine by me.
Maybe the rebels finally get over the boarder :D
But this sounds like there's no Arnold, because Arnold himself would be a tie-in. Can't think of anything in the original that's "building up" to be solved here.
Sounds like he's wanting to put homages in where there doesn't need to be. Wasn't that a big issue with AvPs and Predators?
It doesn't sound like homage to me. It sounds more like spinning off story elements in the new one from a point in the old one.
Quote from: Master on May 18, 2016, 07:12:04 AM
First news that is worrying me. Keep it simple.
Ummm.... A little discerning, yes but... Is it counting ALL of them or just the first one only?
I mean... yeah continuity is great and all but I want to say this is something that needs to be left alone.
I wouldn't say the series has complicated continuity at all - each movie is essentially separate and stand-alone. But if they can tie the new one into the first in an organic way, why not?
Quote from: RakaiThwei on May 19, 2016, 02:54:50 AMUmmm.... A little discerning, yes but... Is it counting ALL of them or just the first one only?
I mean... yeah continuity is great and all but I want to say this is something that needs to be left alone.
All he said is they're trying to continue a plot point from the first. Slight overreaction.
So what could they possibly use from the first movie to spin off this new movie?
Dutch's traumatized look to explain why he's now a recluse.
The Predator's missing space pod.
The CIA deliberately sending them to the jungle, knowing the Predator is there. Maybe the government has a deal with Predators, you give us prey, we won't invade you.
Shane's wording is confusing, there really isn't anything that was building up in the original that could be revealed here. Maybe we're all missing something and he picked up a cool thing that went over our heads. We'll see.
Quote from: overthere on May 19, 2016, 10:43:13 AM
The CIA deliberately sending them to the jungle, knowing the Predator is there. Maybe the government has a deal with Predators, you give us prey, we won't invade you.
whaaaa...?
I never saw the Predator series continuity as particularly "complicated".
It really isn't. I think it's ones of the series strengths. I just wish they'd play with it and give my movie set in the past! :laugh:
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2016, 04:47:07 PM
It really isn't. I think it's ones of the series strengths. I just wish they'd play with it and give my movie set in the past! :laugh:
Or the future! Imagine a movie set during the Rage Wars. Seeing all that tech. I think that could be done as a sort of spin off to show us what the far future looks like.
I really love the 22nd and 23rd centuries, as well as Resurrection's 24th century. But I'm curious to see what the late 27th century will look like in film or even animated. ;D
That's another aspect I love about Alien and Predator. Not only the groundedness in science, but also the constant evolution throughout the eras. It's literally like a history of the series.
Alien and Aliens era is like a favourite period of time in-universe for many of the fans. It's literally like Assassin's Creed, it's got limitless possibilities because it's a big history lesson essentially. You can literally go to any point of time and at any place and do a story.
Wanna see a Predator hunt the Mayans? Sure, no problem!
Wanna see a Predator hunt during the Crusades? Sure, no problem!
Wanna see a Predator during WW1 and WW2? Sure, no problem!
Wanna see Aliens and Predators terrorize the modern day? Sure!
Wanna see how humans adapt in the near future? Got ya covered!
Wanna go to the far future? No problem!
Wanna see the end of the freakin' universe?
Sure!!!
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2016, 04:47:07 PM
It really isn't. I think it's ones of the series strengths. I just wish they'd play with it and give my movie set in the past! :laugh:
The problem is that "period" movies tend to be expensive and difficult to do if you go for period accuracy, and if you're not going for period accuracy, why bother?
Like don't get me wrong, I think Predator movies set in the past could be great, but I get why it doesn't happen.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on May 19, 2016, 05:28:49 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 19, 2016, 04:47:07 PM
It really isn't. I think it's ones of the series strengths. I just wish they'd play with it and give my movie set in the past! :laugh:
Or the future! Imagine a movie set during the Rage Wars. Seeing all that tech. I think that could be done as a sort of spin off to show us what the far future looks like.
Exactly! I'm more interested in the past myself but I wouldn't stick up my nose at a film based in the future. With Colonial Marines. Let's rock!
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 19, 2016, 10:35:23 PM
The problem is that "period" movies tend to be expensive and difficult to do if you go for period accuracy, and if you're not going for period accuracy, why bother?
Like don't get me wrong, I think Predator movies set in the past could be great, but I get why it doesn't happen.
I get why we don't get them. I just wish we would get them. I think it'd be a real visual treat and bring some freshness to the cinematic Predator. If Black succeed in making an event out of The Predator, perhaps we might get to see a more ambitious Predator in the future.
I KNEW there was something fishy about that Cabinet Minister!!!!!!! That's gonna be the connection for sure!!!!!!
Quote from: tmjhur on May 20, 2016, 07:15:16 AM
I KNEW there was something fishy about that Cabinet Minister!!!!!!! That's gonna be the connection for sure!!!!!!
Yeah, maybe we find out that in the end, he really
does travel on the wrong side of the border all the time!
Maybe he was supposed to bring a suitcase with secret information on new prey to the Predator, he didn't make that deal, so the Predator blew his ass down. So the deal has burst, leading to a global Invasion of Predators, which leads to Billy (who was a secret spy) saying "We're all gonna die".
It makes sense now, everything :o
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on May 20, 2016, 07:55:46 AM
Yeah, maybe we find out that in the end, he really does travel on the wrong side of the border all the time!
Maybe he was supposed to bring a suitcase with secret information on new prey to the Predator, he didn't make that deal, so the Predator blew his ass down. So the deal has burst, leading to a global Invasion of Predators, which leads to Billy (who was a secret spy) saying "We're all gonna die".
It makes sense now, everything :o
I thought this was common knowledge.
Complicated continuity? Are we talking about the Predator franchise or Texas Chainsaw Massacre?
(For the record, I have little trouble making sense of TCM's continuity, but I can see why it might be difficult for some people)
Anyway, I don't feel like the Predator franchise needs any kind of "Mytharc" in particular. But I'm open to the idea.
Interesting idea, but I don't think they're going to find much in the way of actual on-screen stuff to use.
Maybe the Hopper team stuff, but it's only really the hardcore fandom who'd even remember that name. One of the great things about '
Predator' is that it's so self-contained and doesn't really have any loose threads at the end.
Quote from: overthere on May 19, 2016, 10:43:13 AM
The CIA deliberately sending them to the jungle, knowing the Predator is there.
I don't remember anything suggesting that... Kind of ridiculous to have done that and not prepared them accordingly.
QuoteMaybe the government has a deal with Predators, you give us prey, we won't invade you.
Predators show up all over the world and do as they please. The US government would have no jurisdiction outside of American soil.
Nah, I was joking on those points to illustrate that there really isn't anything "building up" in the original that wouldn't sound like a stretch. Maybe we're all missing something in plain sight.
I saw the Predator films as a two-branched tree time line. Predator is the tree, and the sequels are two seperate branches. Plenty of room to include and exclude certain stories, depending on the direction of the particular film.
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on May 21, 2016, 12:55:21 AMI saw the Predator films as a two-branched tree time line.
But why? That's simply unnecessary.
Predators can perfectly reasonably take place after
Predator 2.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 21, 2016, 10:08:35 AM
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on May 21, 2016, 12:55:21 AMI saw the Predator films as a two-branched tree time line.
But why? That's simply unnecessary. Predators can perfectly reasonably take place after Predator 2.
You ignore it top. ;D
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 21, 2016, 10:08:35 AM
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on May 21, 2016, 12:55:21 AMI saw the Predator films as a two-branched tree time line.
But why? That's simply unnecessary. Predators can perfectly reasonably take place after Predator 2.
I'm one the fans that doesn't really like Predators. If you've read any of my posts on some of the other threads, you'll know why. In the interests of keeping on topic, all I will say is for Predators to be a sequel to Predator 2, there should be some correlation between the films and there isn't. Predators borrows nearly everything from the original film and takes nothing from 2, no weaponry or costume design, any mention of OWLF or the events of the film (LA, police and gang wars, Harrigan, etc) but clearly makes reference to the original.
Can it take place after 2? Yes. Considering the fact the film makes absolutely no references to 2 and plenty to the original? 2 branched tree.
One of the strengths of the Predator series is just how easily it can do that. It could be quite a bit of anthology type series, focusing around just the concept of a Predator. It doesn't follow a continuing storyline throughout the films but that doesn't mean they're not all sequels. Sequels aren't necessarily things that follow the same storyline, they can follow the same themes or concepts. Predators does and would appear to be chronologically after Predator 2.
80% of the Bond films make no reference to the preceding films, it doesn't mean they're all part of some multi-branched tree.
Predators could use a direct sequel. It's not fair to just leave them on that planet like that. And they said they saved the coolest stuff for the sequel which never came.
I wouldn't mind having 2 different sets of sequels. One is Predator and the other is Predators. They'd largely be independent of each other, but could merge into one after a while. Like a huge build up.
Quote from: overthere on May 23, 2016, 10:23:46 AM
Predators could use a direct sequel. It's not fair to just leave them on that planet like that. And they said they saved the coolest stuff for the sequel which never came.
I wouldn't mind having 2 different sets of sequels. One is Predator and the other is Predators. They'd largely be independent of each other, but could merge into one after a while. Like a huge build up.
This is true. The ending was an open one. I think this would be fine.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 23, 2016, 09:58:04 AM
One of the strengths of the Predator series is just how easily it can do that. It could be quite a bit of anthology type series, focusing around just the concept of a Predator. It doesn't follow a continuing storyline throughout the films but that doesn't mean they're not all sequels. Sequels aren't necessarily things that follow the same storyline, they can follow the same themes or concepts. Predators does and would appear to be chronologically after Predator 2.
I would agree. Even Google allows wiggle room: "a published, broadcast, or recorded work that
continues the story or
develops the theme of an earlier one."
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 23, 2016, 10:12:51 AM
80% of the Bond films make no reference to the preceding films, it doesn't mean they're all part of some multi-branched tree.
The Godzilla franchise is similar. With 30 films under its belt, there are 3 major eras of films, Showa, Heisei and Millenium. There's also the American films, Godzilla 98 that is a standalone (due to being a pile) and the new Legendary Godzilla, which is slated for direct sequels. So while there are many films, they do not all fall in a single line with each other. So to use my tree analogy, one tree is Japanese, with 3 branches and a 4th with the new film coming out, all based on the original from 1954 and the American films are basically a bush and a sapling that will grow.
--->Predators
Predator --->Predator 2 They all build upon the events of the original. Why does the continuity have to be linear HuDa? Honest question.
--->The Predator
I agree with PJ_1990. He seems to get the idea and I have been saying it since PREDATORS-- and while I do understand that people do see it as a definitive third sequel, I do not considering that I take Robert Rodriguez's word as the final one, considering that it was his brain child more than anyone else's of course.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on May 24, 2016, 04:14:33 AM
I agree with PJ_1990. He seems to get the idea and I have been saying it since PREDATORS-- and while I do understand that people do see it as a definitive third sequel, I do not considering that I take Robert Rodriguez's word as the final one, considering that it was his brain child more than anyone else's of course.
You're just being selective because of your own preferences. What if The Predator comes out, is badass and everyone loves it but it doesn't acknowledge Predator 2 either? I can't even fathom where you begin to think that you can't take the word of the producer that it isn't the third film despite the fact it is the third film in the Predator franchise. It is the third to be made and takes place after Predator 2.
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on May 24, 2016, 02:38:13 AM
They all build upon the events of the original. Why does the continuity have to be linear HuDa? Honest question.
Because they are linear. They all take place one after each other in time.
Quote from: PRJ_since1990 on May 24, 2016, 02:38:13 AMWhy does the continuity have to be linear HuDa? Honest question.
Because there's absolutely nothing to suggest it isn't. There is literally nothing in
Predators to suggest it doesn't happen after the second film, so saying it's some parallel universe or alternate timeline is just needlessly complicated and based on nothing.
Considering Royce is using an AA-12 which I don't think really became widely used until after 2005, I can safely say that Predators takes place after Predator 2.
I feel like if she knew about Dutch, she should have known about Harrigan too. That Predator was even documented.
How exactly she got the report she read on the incident in Val Verde is never made clear. There's no reason to assume she had access to literally all the reports on Predator encounters that have ever been documented over the years.
http://www.heyuguys.com/shane-black-the-predator-details/
For anyone still wondering, Predator 1 + 2 have happened and will be acknowledged, there is no alternate timeline, as some seem to think.
Shane said Predators was in the future but it wasn't it was set in Present day just in space. So Predators was 23 years after Predator and 20 years after Predator 2. Not once did Robert or Nimrod say it was in the future. Fox even says its present day.
Apparently, this film WILL be counting Predator 2 and PREDATORS.... And apparently this re-assigns PREDATORS somehow... in other words... this ISN'T Predator 4.. it's Predator 3. In other words.. PREDATORS didn't HAPPEN YET.
Honestly I never the thought the Predator continuity was overly complicated at all actually, but this news of how this new film will fit in does intrigue me greatly.
But wasn't PREDATORS set in 2010? How is that now the fourth film if this new film, now assigned as the third... set in 2018?
I think he things Predators was set further in the future than it was.
Yeah I think he's just mistaken in thinking Predators was set further in the future than it was. No biggie.
Without directly referencing the events of the film, I doubt there'd be much in the way of being able to just connect them up anyway. I don't think OWLF or whoever would be in a position to determine that people were being kidnapped and spirited away for competition on another planet. Maybe kidnapped, but not the specifics.
It's a strange assumption. Why would he think it was set in the future? They reference Iraq, for one.
The year that "Predators" was set in was never actually specified in the movie. So maybe Shane Black is retroactively pushing the events of "Predators" further into the future.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 28, 2016, 09:27:22 AM
Without directly referencing the events of the film, I doubt there'd be much in the way of being able to just connect them up anyway. I don't think OWLF or whoever would be in a position to determine that people were being kidnapped and spirited away for competition on another planet. Maybe kidnapped, but not the specifics.
Maybe I'm just out of the loop on Predator stuff, but what's OWLF?
Allegedly, the team from the second film who was attempting to catch the creatures. It seems weird to name yourself what you're calling the ET in question, though.
So THE Predator is Pred 3 and Preds is now 4.
Maybe he can retcon the Super Black Preds, or whatever they are called, into some interesting thing.
Like, the Super Pred are...... HALF ENGINEERS!
i think he doesnt know what the hell he's doing and hes sugar coat his ignorance on how to make this movie good.
Considering that an 'event' movie sort of almost never happens uness they put money into movie movie itself. Avatar is an event for obvious reasons. The Badadook, was not.
Since Predators setting in time isnt specified, it could work with it being maybe 2 or 3 years after The Predator, if that is what Black is planning.
Maybe the next Predator film (Number 5, if it gets made of course lol) will make it clearer
I never liked the nickname Super Predators. I always called them Berserkers as theres nothing super about them. Totally excited for this movie now that Black isn't pulling a Blomkamp. I wonder what he'll use from Predator to jump start The Predator? Maybe the russians were up to something involving Yautja? Maybe Hopper was really dealing with preds when his chopper was brought down? Maybe Billy survived as we never really see him get killed? I'd love it if we got easter eggs from other movies in The Predator. OWLF would be a nice little easter egg as well as seeing Royce or one of the characters from Predators since that now takes place later. Speaking of which, its quite possible Predators is even farther in the future. The berserkers could have simply thrown humans in some sort of hyper sleep chambers until they were ready to be hunted. It would explain why the very old katana's that were found were still sharp enough to cut through a Yautja.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 28, 2016, 12:58:16 PM
Allegedly, the team from the second film who was attempting to catch the creatures. It seems weird to name yourself what you're calling the ET in question, though.
"Other World Life Form"? That's, uh, that's a little weird. Is there a source for that?
The movie is the only source i know of...O.W.L.F.-Other World Life Forms. Keyes says the whole thing to Harrigan before telling him it means it's "a f**king alien" before the slaughter house battle. You could also say theyve made an appearance in a few Predator comics but the name is never acknowledged.The group could also be a nod to the illuminati. Their a black ops government group that conceal themselves as federal agents to investigate aliens, their group logo is a pyramid with an eye in the center and the word Owl is in their name. An animal associated with the illuminati.
I can't say I am pleased that Shane is acknowledging PREDATORS in some way but I know of expected him to go that route. So it's not that much of a surprise to me. I just hope whatever he has planned is more in spirit of the first two films rather than Rodriguez's film.
THE PREDATOR should just be a sequel to all 3 films as Predators took place in 2010 on a preserve planet. Everything is in line. I wonder where Shane came up with the notion of Predators being set in the future. Although it was never really explained in the movie, its self explanatory. Its 2010. 23 years after Predator and 20 years after Predator 2. This sets up The Predator perfectly in terms of timeline. All the events are in order. Isabelle mentions 87's Predator. All the evidence is right there. Besides lets say it was never explained what year the events occurred, for the franchise sake and continuity, placing it in Present Day would play it safe all around. But that's not the case with Predators as its always been set Present Day. But that would be the next good decision.
Unless we see a character from Predators show up somehow before they get kidnapped.
Or we see one of the three or all three berserkers from Predators at one point.
While Predator AVP 1 & 2 and Predators have their place how will this film acknowledge the events of those films without contradicting or further muddling the time frame of the series.
Quote from: XENOMORPHOSIS on May 28, 2016, 11:50:29 PM
While Predator AVP 1 & 2 and Predators have their place how will this film acknowledge the events of those films without contradicting or further muddling the time frame of the series.
I don't think this film will be acknowledging the AVP films.. and as much as I do love those films, more so than PREDATORS.. if that's easy for you to digest... I'd rather this film didn't touch up on them or acknowledge them. So I don't think Shane is treating them as canon..
Interestingly enough, Fox themselves does consider the AVP films to be canon albeit as Tristan Jones, artist for Defiance says as "soft" canon (meaning either loose or semi canon)... regardless of contradictions with one side of the franchises (Prometheus/Alien) and largely ignored by both. So... they might be a branching timeline continuing from Predator 2 and onto their own path..
Of course that's just my way of looking at it. Honestly, I'm surprised I'm not fuming about this though... Maybe I've gotten over things.
Quote from: Xenomrph on May 28, 2016, 02:51:07 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 28, 2016, 12:58:16 PM
Allegedly, the team from the second film who was attempting to catch the creatures. It seems weird to name yourself what you're calling the ET in question, though.
"Other World Life Form"? That's, uh, that's a little weird. Is there a source for that?
Its stated in Predator 2. Also, OWLF is the designation that Keyes' government group uses to refer to the Predator (as well as the Aliens in AvP-r). Its not what they call themselves.
With the characters!? You use the familiar characters to set the sceneria. Like they say a picture tells 1000 words. The moment you show Arnold/Dutch, Agent Garber you instantly connect people back to set the film in the right direction. Predator 2 already sets the movie forward 10 yrs. This one will take care of those other 20 yrs in between.
It's pretty safe to say that unless they are going to use the films as a reference, it really doesn't matter. Now setting the film before Predators and after Predator 2 does somewhat insinuate there may be a reference or tie into the other films! That would be awesome if they were connected somehow, odviously it would refer to Predator, maybe the CIA team from Predator 2 under the leadership of Agent Garber and then show Arnold turning down a job and recommending Royce because he will cross the line Dutch would not and Royce upon completing his task and being taken. Or at least show someone mentioning Royce completing his task and gone missing. At the end of the credits they should show Liam Nesson contacting the Beserker Predator via Rouces' walkie talkie and doing his famous lines i.e. I have a particular set of skills..... I will find you, and I will kill you!! BAM!! I just wrote the movie!!
Quote from: RakaiThwei on May 27, 2016, 11:49:58 PMApparently, this film WILL be counting Predator 2 and PREDATORS.... And apparently this re-assigns PREDATORS somehow... in other words... this ISN'T Predator 4.. it's Predator 3. In other words.. PREDATORS didn't HAPPEN YET.
Lol @ solidifying the series "complicated continuity" by making it more complicated :laugh:
Seriously though, as Hicks says, given that the third film takes place on a completely different planet, it wouldn't really make sense for the new film to reference it if it is set afterwards, unless it's literally gonna tell us how Royce and Isabelle get back.
It's just a polite way to ignore Predators, The Predator is set in 2018 and Predators wich has no time reference ,but with the weapons, clothes etc looks like a contemporary setting, is like, set in 2020.
Smart Shane ;D
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Quote from: Xenomrph on May 28, 2016, 02:51:07 PM
Quote from: Xenomorphine on May 28, 2016, 12:58:16 PM
Allegedly, the team from the second film who was attempting to catch the creatures. It seems weird to name yourself what you're calling the ET in question, though.
"Other World Life Form"? That's, uh, that's a little weird. Is there a source for that?
Its stated in Predator 2. Also, OWLF is the designation that Keyes' government group uses to refer to the Predator (as well as the Aliens in AvP-r). Its not what they call themselves.
I'm probably mistaken as I can't remember for certain but I believe that's what the government group hunting the ETs were referred to by the Strause leading up to AvPR.
Unless we see Predators characters before they got nabbed, it seems pointless to say when Predators take place.
If we don't get even the littlest evidence that the Predator takes place before Predators, then I don't care what SB says. It must be shown or mentioned on-screen, not in a interview.
I don't remember the strause bro's ever saying anything about O.W.L.F. in Avp-R. However, i do remember they were in talks to make Garber the colonel but they couldn't get Adam Baldwin to do it
Also, the Avp movies will never be canon just like Colonial Marines will never be canon. Whoever is saying that obviously doesn't know about the new info regarding Michael Bishop from the Weyland Yutani Report. Now If they mean their allowed to take certain elements from Avp like Preds teaching us to build pyramids or using the young queen from Avp-R then i'd have no problem with that. I myself treat the preds we see in Avp as an older generation of Predators whose armor and tech have advanced to what we see on newer yautja today. Neca's bio's for the Avp preds also help in that regard. For example, the Temple Guard predator's role in yautja society is exactly the same as the Enforcer Predators role. The Enforcer could be the future Temple Guard.
Even if they acknowledge some or all the events from the previous films, it doesn't have to be major.
Acknowledging Predator 2 could be as simple as using a smart disc or telescopic spear or net gun.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on May 29, 2016, 04:10:27 PM
I don't remember the strause bro's ever saying anything about O.W.L.F. in Avp-R. However, i do remember they were in talks to make Garber the colonel but they couldn't get Adam Baldwin to do it
Also, the Avp movies will never be canon just like Colonial Marines will never be canon. Whoever is saying that obviously doesn't know about the new info regarding Michael Bishop from the Weyland Yutani Report. Now If they mean their allowed to take certain elements from Avp like Preds teaching us to build pyramids or using the young queen from Avp-R then i'd have no problem with that. I myself treat the preds we see in Avp as an older generation of Predators whose armor and tech have advanced to what we see on newer yautja today. Neca's bio's for the Avp preds also help in that regard. For example, the Temple Guard predator's role in yautja society is exactly the same as the Enforcer Predators role. The Enforcer could be the future Temple Guard.
What is this new info about Michael Bishop?
That he's a man, man! :o
I actually wouldn't mind seeing Predator 2 being acknowledged...since it never really has been aside from a few homages view Predator weapons.
Quote from: LordCassusSnow on May 30, 2016, 05:14:28 PM
That he's a man, man! :o
Oh!
So when he yelled at Ripley, he was telling the truth afterall. :P
Predators is not cannon, lol, is a bad movie, i dont expect much from this one either, IM3 was terrible
Can't say I agree on either of those but nice to see the optimism! :laugh:
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I actually wouldn't mind seeing Predator 2 being acknowledged...since it never really has been aside from a few homages view Predator weapons.
What kind of acknowledgement would you be interested in?
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I actually wouldn't mind seeing Predator 2 being acknowledged...since it never really has been aside from a few homages view Predator weapons.
What kind of acknowledgement would you be interested in?
Well, the movie has been hinted to be a detective story of sorts, which was the route the second movie followed to an extent. I'd at least like to see a character mention the events of what occurred, sort of like in
Predators where Isabel gives a brief explanation of the Predator and what happened in South America. Truthfully I've always found it strange that
Predator 2 gets little mention.
Okay, I don't understand. He said he's changing the Predator design like a reboot of the entire franchise and now he says that the Predator, Predator 2, and Predators are all canon in this universe. So is this film a sequel to those films or not? Is the Predator design that we all know and love by Stan Winston still going to be the same? God, I hate this man.
It is sequel. The design will be changed as it was earlier. As it always is. I much prefere new take, then filed attempt like Classic from Ps.
Quote from: TheShadowedOne1 on Jun 15, 2016, 04:04:24 AM
Okay, I don't understand. He said he's changing the Predator design like a reboot of the entire franchise and now he says that the Predator, Predator 2, and Predators are all canon in this universe. So is this film a sequel to those films or not? Is the Predator design that we all know and love by Stan Winston still going to be the same? God, I hate this man.
He hasn't said he's rebooting the franchise. The very second report that came out about the film was a clarification that the film was a sequel, not a reboot. He also said he's not looking to just arbitrarily change the design of the Predator itself. There's no reason to panic.
TheShadowedOne1 is a victim of these constant clickbait articles that still keep referring to The Predator as a reboot.
Quote from: overthere on Jun 15, 2016, 08:56:26 AM
TheShadowedOne1 is a victim of these constant clickbait articles that still keep referring to The Predator as a reboot.
He is not totally wrong, the more we get new infos the more it looks like a reboot disguised as a sequel.
We'll see, the lead actor will be crucial.
I thought it was made quite clear it's a sequel, but I guess people being worried about it being a reboot kinda makes sense, given so many sequels today feel more like reboots.
It is clearly a sequel. I'm not sure how much clearer Black could make it.
One way it could follow up on the first movie is a return to the first one's setting, Val Verde, maybe involving the jungle hunter's dropship finally being found. The fact it's shooting in Vancouver doesn't really support this though.
Horrible decision to take it to Vancouver, so now my expectations are already lower than low. I'm about to watch Fred Dekker's Night of the Creeps which looks like a lot of fun though!
Quote from: Xan21 on Jul 04, 2016, 04:41:40 PM
Horrible decision to take it to Vancouver, so now my expectations are already lower than low. I'm about to watch Fred Dekker's Night of the Creeps which looks like a lot of fun though!
If they never mentioned it you never would have known. Nothing wrong with Vancouver.
Vancouver is no jungle, so yes it is no good imo
The Predator movies shouldn't be defined by their location hahaha. We don't need a damn jungle.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 04, 2016, 05:15:38 PM
The Predator movies shouldn't be defined by their location hahaha. We don't need a damn jungle.
Exactly, Predator can be set anywhere so long as there is good game to hunt.
I know but something about the Predator ending up in a colder climate rubs me the wrong way. I admit when looking at photos of Vancouver forest, it's pretty nice...yet I prefer a warm/hot climate with conflict...
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 04, 2016, 05:15:38 PM
The Predator movies shouldn't be defined by their location hahaha. We don't need a damn jungle.
Exactly, Predator can be set anywhere so long as there is good game to hunt.
The location must be warm.
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 04, 2016, 05:15:38 PM
The Predator movies shouldn't be defined by their location hahaha. We don't need a damn jungle.
Exactly, Predator can be set anywhere so long as there is good game to hunt.
The location must be warm.
They prefer warm locations. But it's not a must.
Story and character first, Predator minutiae(their "hunting preferences", the length of their wrist-blades) second.
Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 04, 2016, 07:34:32 PM
Story and character first, Predator minutiae(their "hunting preferences", the length of their wrist-blades) second.
Agreed. :laugh:
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 04, 2016, 05:15:38 PM
The Predator movies shouldn't be defined by their location hahaha. We don't need a damn jungle.
Exactly, Predator can be set anywhere so long as there is good game to hunt.
The location must be warm.
They prefer warm locations. But it's not a must.
Anna : "Only in the hottest years this happens."
Keyes : "Drawn by heat..."
Yes, they prefer hot locations, that doesnt means they always have to go there though. When worthy prey are in cold locations i'm sure they make an exception.
It ruins it for me though, like they can pop up everywhere, it just makes it less special.
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 04, 2016, 05:15:38 PM
The Predator movies shouldn't be defined by their location hahaha. We don't need a damn jungle.
Exactly, Predator can be set anywhere so long as there is good game to hunt.
The location must be warm.
They prefer warm locations. But it's not a must.
Anna : "Only in the hottest years this happens."
Keyes : "Drawn by heat..."
They
prefer warm climates, but it's not a must. I wouldn't be surprised if their nets regulate heat to keep them warm in colder climates. We have ways to keep warm, why can't Predators who are also intelligent enough to do so?
Anna and Keyes are not Predator experts, Keyes only has a few scraps of what we know and Anna only has myths and legends from her local area to go by.
Besides, AvP shows that they hunted in Antarctica, not exactly a tropical place. It's rare, but they do sometimes hunt in colder climates.
But AVP movies don't exist in my book and neither in the original writers minds I think ;-)
Quote from: Xan21 on Jul 04, 2016, 09:10:41 PM
But AVP movies don't exist in my book and neither in the original writers minds I think ;-)
Whether AvP's exist or not isn't really relevant here. The point is, Predators hunted in a cold environment once. :P
I like the idea of them hunting in the hottest of summers, that has always been something I associated with them. It's what makes me love summer, because it reminds me of Predators sometimes, especially when it is scorching outside.
But I also like the idea of them hunting in cooler climates, as a reminder that "just because it's colder, doesn't mean you're safe."
The last thing Shane cares about is the temperature. Trust me.
Not every pred has to be a clone of what came before, maybe the new isn't a fan of heat.
I love heat and conflict trope, but that`s not most important thing. Still, it can be really hot summer in Vancouver right?
Personally I`d prefere desert. I`d love my Predator on the desert, but not jungle once again.
Quote from: Nightlord on Jul 04, 2016, 10:24:34 PM
Not every pred has to be a clone of what came before, maybe the new isn't a fan of heat.
Exactly, we shouldn't stereotype them. They are a people with their own tastes and preferences. :laugh:
Just because they're shooting in Vancouver doesn't mean the film takes place in Vancouver. They could just be shooting interior scenes in Vancouver. Hell, the film could take place in NYC in the summer for all we know.
Quote from: Mister Skeezler on Jul 05, 2016, 01:02:59 AM
Just because they're shooting in Vancouver doesn't mean the film takes place in Vancouver. They could just be shooting interior scenes in Vancouver. Hell, the film could take place in NYC in the summer for all we know.
That is a good point. It's as if we forgot CGI exists. :P
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Jul 04, 2016, 09:04:29 PM
They prefer warm climates, but it's not a must. I wouldn't be surprised if their nets regulate heat to keep them warm in colder climates. We have ways to keep warm, why can't Predators who are also intelligent enough to do so?
I think I remember reading this in one of the novels. Can't recall which though?
Quote from: Nightlord on Jul 04, 2016, 10:24:34 PM
Not every pred has to be a clone of what came before, maybe the new isn't a fan of heat.
Exactly. People get different, they complain. People get the same, they complain it's not different.
Quote from: Mister Skeezler on Jul 05, 2016, 01:02:59 AM
Just because they're shooting in Vancouver doesn't mean the film takes place in Vancouver. They could just be shooting interior scenes in Vancouver. Hell, the film could take place in NYC in the summer for all we know.
Another spot-on. Vancouver has stood in for many locations over the years. It's not guaranteed to actually be set in Vancouver.
Quote from: Master on Jul 04, 2016, 10:29:40 PM
Personally I`d prefere desert. I`d love my Predator on the desert, but not jungle once again.
The same. I don't want another film set in the jungle. I wouldn't mind a desert, something Iraq or Middle East based. However, sounds to me like we're going to get a variety of locations this time around.
Quote from: Xan21 on Jul 04, 2016, 05:52:11 PMI know but something about the Predator ending up in a colder climate rubs me the wrong way. I admit when looking at photos of Vancouver forest, it's pretty nice...yet I prefer a warm/hot climate with conflict...
Who says it won't be set in a warm climate? Are they actually shooting on location in Vancouver or are they just using studio space there? Who's to say they won't be going on location somewhere else as well? With the kind of budget Black has implied, there's certainly a chance of that.
I have a feeling we'll be getting some Washington D.C. action.
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Quote from: BishopShouldGo on Jul 04, 2016, 05:15:38 PM
The Predator movies shouldn't be defined by their location hahaha. We don't need a damn jungle.
Exactly, Predator can be set anywhere so long as there is good game to hunt.
The location must be warm.
They prefer warm locations. But it's not a must.
Anna : "Only in the hottest years this happens."
Keyes : "Drawn by heat..."
They prefer warm climates, but it's not a must.
According to cannon, it's not a preference.Only the hottest years, it must be more than warm.Predator 2 respected that because the heat was oppressive.I'm talking about hunting, not about Wolf the 'janitor' or the three fatties from AVP.Even the lame Predators got it right :D.
So they better respect that, and Vancouver don't mean it will be set in cold places of course.One could tell maybe it won't be a hunt party
but I don't get the point of doing that.The thrill of the hunt is essential.
I know its no longer canon, but dont forget, the Cold War comics, had them in Siberia. Sure it wasnt there plan, but they were there
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Jul 06, 2016, 12:08:19 PM
I know its no longer canon, but dont forget, the Cold War comics, had them in Siberia. Sure it wasnt there plan, but they were there
Also South China Sea mentioned a previous hunt taking place on some icy wasteland. :P
To be honest I've nothing wrong with a Predator being taken outside its comfort zone. Where's the fun in not challenging themselves? It's not like the don't already have massive advantages. That's one of the things I did kind of like about AvP. It's an added challenge.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jul 06, 2016, 01:50:11 PM
To be honest I've nothing wrong with a Predator being taken outside its comfort zone. Where's the fun in not challenging themselves? It's not like the don't already have massive advantages. That's one of the things I did kind of like about AvP. It's an added challenge.
Exactly!
Predators aren't stupid, they know how to keep warm in cold environments. And some would certainly appreciate the added challenge a colder climate brings.
And even if they aren't keeping warm, it adds to their durability and toughness. They prefer warmth, but they can handle the uncomfortable cold, it shows dedication to hunting that one bastard who chose to live in a cold environment.
Who cares if by so called "canon", they've been hunting in warm climates. What stops them from going to a colder one? I'd still love to see them hunt in a desert, all that dust could make cloaking challenging. But I am not against a cold environment. I'm all for seeing Predators in new and interesting settings rather than have fifty films set in a scorching humid jungle... you can only tell so many stories in the same cycle before it gets repetitive and stale.
Predator as a franchise should never be afraid to try new things.
The only reason we think Predators prefer heat is because Anna said "only in hottest years this happens."
But she based that on probably just one Predator. Her sample was way too low in any case to make a bold claim like that. Evidence inconclusive.
Heat fits the character, a rastafarian creature doesn't belong in a cold climate. The vibe of the film should be hot, sweaty, eerie, bloody, if that's not the case I don't care for it.
Quote from: overthere on Jul 06, 2016, 09:45:38 PMThe only reason we think Predators prefer heat is because Anna said "only in hottest years this happens."
Gary Busey specifically says they show up where there's heat and conflict in the second film, and lists several examples.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 07, 2016, 07:49:32 AM
Gary Busey specifically says they show up where there's heat and conflict in the second film, and lists several examples.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I stand corrected.
Doesn't mean some don't hunt in cooler weather though. We saw them hunting in Antarctica in AVP, so there's precedent for the idea.
No, but it certainly implies hot spots are the norm, or at least their preference.
AvP is precedent cause temple was under Bovotoya. Also it was a ritual so it`s rules might have been different. I really like this heat and conflict set up. Makes predator attack somethign special.
Quote from: Xan21 on Jul 06, 2016, 10:16:30 PM
The vibe of the film should be hot, sweaty, eerie, bloody, if that's not the case I don't care for it.
That's something this film should definitely try to have,
Predators lacked any and all tension with the environment and that lessened its impact in comparison to the original two movies.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 07, 2016, 12:12:20 PM
No, but it certainly implies hot spots are the norm, or at least their preference.
Which would explain why the young bloods had to kill Xenos in the cold. Makes the hunt that much more challenging to be out of your element.
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Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jul 07, 2016, 12:12:20 PM
No, but it certainly implies hot spots are the norm, or at least their preference.
Which would explain why the young bloods had to kill Xenos in the cold. Makes the hunt that much more challenging to be out of your element.
Exactly. I always thought that was self explanatory.
Because Predators need the extra challenge when fighting pansy ass Aliens. :P