Some interesting new stuff revealed by Hicks' actor:
http://iconsoffright.com/2015/11/18/interview-michael-biehn-talks-comedy-series-24-hour-rental-alien-5/
Curious that he mentions "thousands" of years, but that could possibly be hazy recollection of what he had been told.
Regardless, the most interesting part is that he confirms the story is meant to feature Rebecca Jordan ('Newt') and that she's meant to be around 27 at that time. To me, this means that Ripley/Hicks/Newt must have been out of cryo for all this time, to account for Rebecca having aged. Also confirms the speculation about it being a vehicle for Ellen Ripley to pass the proverbial torch of heroine down to the survivor of Hadley's Hope.
Along with the concept art of Hicks' scarred face, the baton-passing aspect is another element some of us will remember from the original comic trilogy which featured the threesome (before Hicks/Newt famously underwent name-changes in the later editions). Considering he's such a big fan of the films and has plenty of merchandise, it seems likely that Blomkamp is aware of those. It now feels like his own story has at least been heavily influenced by them.
Which, with the exception of 'Earth War', I wouldn't mind.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 20, 2015, 01:28:22 AM
Curious that he mentions "thousands" of years, but that could possibly be hazy recollection of what he had been told.
Unless there's some time travel shenanigans involved which truth be told I'm starting to suspect for the Prometheus sequel.
QuoteRegardless, the most interesting part is that he confirms the story is meant to feature Rebecca Jordan ('Newt') and that she's meant to be around 27 at that time. To me, this means that Ripley/Hicks/Newt must have been out of cryo for all this time, to account for Rebecca having aged. Also confirms the speculation about it being a vehicle for Ellen Ripley to pass the proverbial torch of heroine down to the survivor of Hadley's Hope.
It always made sense for this to be the direction to take Alien 5/3.2. Sigourney can't be the face of the series forever and it makes perfect sense to utilize Newt's character to replace her. I wonder if they ever talked about possibilities for who to recast as Newt.
Thanks for the link btw. I've frontpaged this.
Ah so that is the plan. Neat. Hopefully the story is not like the books. I've read a few and honestly didn't care for the ideas.
I sure as hell hope there is no time travel in Covenant... I supposed I could tolerate some black hole once all but nothing more than that. :P
I'm sure the thousands of years comment is just a slip of the tongue but that was just my own thoughts about the Prometheus sequels. Just a random though.
HOW AWFUL !!!!
I feel betrayed. So Alien 3 and 4 are finally dismissed :'( .
The Alien franchise destroyed from within by the fans.
Nevertheless I still hope that this film will not erase Alien 3.
Alien 5 had so much potential to expand the universe. What a waste...
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Here you go Newt, heres the torch.
Newt.
Newt take the torch.
NEWT!
Newt?
She must be pretending guys.
"I don't think she was conscious when it happened..."
The only way i want to see them brought back is if its based off the comic series. Id love to see earth hive -female war on the big screen. Or better yet video game format
Quote from: Alien³ on Nov 20, 2015, 10:42:03 AM
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Here you go Newt, heres the torch.
Newt.
Newt take the torch.
NEWT!
Newt?
She must be pretending guys.
Honestly you'd be better off talking to a DVD of Alien³. It's way more dead. :P
Not to sound greedy but why can't we get two movies here? NB's A3.2 and a true A5 after A:R? I mean why the hell not? Release them both on the same day and let the public decide.
Quote from: Nazrelmobile. on Nov 20, 2015, 11:04:25 AM
Thank you guys for sharing this. As a huge fan of the series, it was a lot of fun to chat with Biehn about the film. He was very excited about it and sounded like it was headed in the right direction.
You work for Icons of Fright, Nazrel?
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 20, 2015, 12:10:20 PM
Not to sound greedy but why can't we get two movies here? NB's A3.2 and a true A5 after A:R? I mean why the hell not? Release them both on the same day and let the public decide.
I would assume they think it'd be confusing.
Thank you guys for sharing this. As a huge fan of the series, it was a lot of fun to chat with Biehn about the film. He was very excited about it and sounded like it was headed in the right direction.
Quote from: bworko on Nov 20, 2015, 10:27:35 AM
The Alien franchise destroyed from within by the fans.
Nevertheless I still hope that this film will not erase Alien 3.
I just hope that they aren't rendered as dreams. Lamest route to take..
Looks like we might be looking at what The Return of Godzilla did to the Showa era films, or better case, what Halloween H20 did with Halloween IV - VI.
Alien 3 fans,its over,we lost and Alien 3 is being retconned.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 20, 2015, 01:28:22 AM
Regardless, the most interesting part is that he confirms the story is meant to feature Rebecca Jordan ('Newt') and that she's meant to be around 27 at that time. To me, this means that Ripley/Hicks/Newt must have been out of cryo for all this time, to account for Rebecca having aged. Also confirms the speculation about it being a vehicle for Ellen Ripley to pass the proverbial torch of heroine down to the survivor of Hadley's Hope.
Numbers don't add up. Newt would be around 40 years old if Beihn and Weaver are going to be playing their characters at their current age. Unless Newt has been in cryo for a very long time.
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Nov 20, 2015, 02:48:15 PM
Alien 3 fans,its over,we lost and Alien 3 is being retconned.
Depending on how the retcon is handled.. we'll see.. If they use memory implants or dreams, then we've truly lost.
If they don't acknowledge Alien 3 in anyway, ignoring it like many films have done with less than popular sequels... we maybe okay. Cause then Alien 3 will be OURS. Forever.
This is awesome! Great to see the spirit of Blomkamp's film is being kept alive.
The passing of the torch idea could have some pitfalls with it. I mean remember how the last Indiana Jones installment played out? That was basically about passing the torch. The new Star Wars seems to be about passing the torch. We'll see how that pans out.
I think that going after an idea vaguely similar to the original Mark Verheiden Aliens series from Dark Horse is not a bad idea but some serious changes have to be made. Firstly, the whole idea of the Elephant-nosed Alien is passé because of Prometheus, and everything from Aliens Earth-War needs to be discounted as its simply not that good. But I think the idea of having an infestation on earth playing out IN THE BACKGROUND as opposed to in the foreground would be an interesting thing to do. You don't have to show the Aliens literally invading every city one by one. Sometimes, the less you say, the louder the message is. It is better to tell a very personal story of Hicks, Ripley's and Newt's struggles in the context of a large scale earth infestation rather than focus on the infestation itself. You have to admit, the whole objective of the Aliens films is to avoid the infestation and destruction of earth. So the natural conclusion of the series is to let it happen and to deal with the repercussions. To not do that, would be to sell short.
...and for pity's sake, please no time travel.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 20, 2015, 03:24:34 PM
...and for pity's sake, please no time travel.
I don't think we have to worry about that.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 20, 2015, 03:25:33 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 20, 2015, 03:24:34 PM
...and for pity's sake, please no time travel.
I don't think we have to worry about that.
It's just a feeling I have about the Prometheus films.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 20, 2015, 03:14:43 PM
Quote from: THE CITY HUNTER on Nov 20, 2015, 02:48:15 PM
Alien 3 fans,its over,we lost and Alien 3 is being retconned.
Depending on how the retcon is handled.. we'll see.. If they use memory implants or dreams, then we've truly lost.
If they don't acknowledge Alien 3 in anyway, ignoring it like many films have done with less than popular sequels... we maybe okay. Cause then Alien 3 will be OURS. Forever.
But the characters ,the story, the ending all to great.It is like the fear expansion packs were retconned because of the shitty FEAR 3 i dont want the same thing to happen.
27?? Then I want some Nude Newt!!
Quote from: Shamo on Nov 20, 2015, 04:15:06 PM
27?? Then I want some Nude Newt!!
Here you go:
Spoiler
WARNING: NSFWSpoiler
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^^ Well played, sir!
Aaaah. So thats what a Newt is..... thx ;)
I remember that A:R was originally going to star a clone of Newt instead of a clone of Ripley, I do like the idea that that idea still lives on in NB's Alien 5.
I would like to make an appearance in Alien 5 if it comes out? Cause originally I was suppose to be in the Movie The Ringer But that was Cancelled when my Special Olympics Team found out what a rotten person JONNHY Knoxville was. So I would very Much like anther chance if so?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2015, 04:05:54 PM
It's just a feeling I have about the Prometheus films.
....What?
Its still sad to me that Alien 3 looks like its on the outs. But if it happens I want Jennifer Lawrence for the pure giggles to play and adult Newt. Neil Blomkamp presents Alien : Hunger
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Nov 20, 2015, 07:05:19 PM
Its still sad to me that Alien 3 looks like its on the outs. But if it happens I want Jennifer Lawrence for the pure giggles to play and adult Newt. Neil Blomkamp presents Alien : Hunger
I thought Jennifer Lawrence would be good too...
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 20, 2015, 07:02:13 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2015, 04:05:54 PM
It's just a feeling I have about the Prometheus films.
....What?
Double what?? Corporal do you know something we don't? Time travel? Seriously? Aww Bro. Noo!!
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Nov 20, 2015, 07:05:19 PM
Its still sad to me that Alien 3 looks like its on the outs.
I'll only consider Alien 3 as truly gone if this movie renders them dreams..
But... I'm curious, where are people getting time travel from? If that is true... well... alternate timelines? Like... Know what.. we don't know anything, so, until more comes out.. just sit this one through.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 20, 2015, 07:39:48 PM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Nov 20, 2015, 07:05:19 PM
Its still sad to me that Alien 3 looks like its on the outs. But if it happens I want Jennifer Lawrence for the pure giggles to play and adult Newt. Neil Blomkamp presents Alien : Hunger
I thought Jennifer Lawrence would be good too...
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 20, 2015, 07:02:13 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2015, 04:05:54 PM
It's just a feeling I have about the Prometheus films.
....What?
Double what?? Corporal do you know something we don't? Time travel? Seriously? Aww Bro. Noo!!
Though its unlikely, there's a possibility of time travel playing a role in Alien Covenant. After all Ridley Scott has admitted that Ripley will have a preference in some shape and form. Will this be an attempt to tie it into Neill Blomkamp's movie? However I highly doubt it and I hope that's not what they're going for. :-[
Do any of you wonder what Neill Blomkamp's feeling are regarding Prometheus and its element of demystifying the Alien series which he is such a big fan of?
I highly doubt he'll acknowledge the event of the Prometheus films in his upcoming Alien 5/retcon movie. I wonder if he's put on the spot in and interview and questioned about it how he'd respond. he'll probably react like this... A animated parody of JJ Abrams avoiding to admit he hates the Star Wars prequels. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4QfcXeZyhQ
All these comments from a man that's not been signed up for the move. That is, a movie that's already been officially postponed - possibly even cancelled. Nor has he read any script - because none exist. And if he had, then the NDA would prevent him revealing ANY details whatsover. So none of what he says is worthy news as far as I am concerned.
Biehn should just STFU. He'd be more credible if he did so.
In the end, Blomkamp's movie project is running out of time. Woulda been great, in 1988. ...but not now.
I am waiting for Official announcement from Fox before I take any comments from Biehn seriously.
-Windebieste.
In truth, I do wish Biehn would use more tact in disclosing such big information. I mean him mentioning that Newt is 27 basically gave away a huge plot detail. I hope that doesn't get him in hot water, because Hicks won't be right if he's not played by Biehn.
Quote from: predxeno on Nov 20, 2015, 06:19:39 PM
I remember that A:R was originally going to star a clone of Newt instead of a clone of Ripley, I do like the idea that that idea still lives on in NB's Alien 5.
It was Whedon's original pitch, I do believe. Can't remember if he did a treatment though. I feel like he did.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 20, 2015, 07:39:48 PM
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Nov 20, 2015, 07:05:19 PM
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 20, 2015, 07:02:13 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2015, 04:05:54 PM
It's just a feeling I have about the Prometheus films.
....What?
Double what?? Corporal do you know something we don't? Time travel? Seriously? Aww Bro. Noo!!
I don't know anything. It's just that thousand years comment and if I'm remembering correctly then the original Engineers script ended with some time dilation stuff and I have vague recollections of stuff like that being thrown around.
Quote from: windebieste on Nov 20, 2015, 09:32:53 PM
Nor has he read any script - because none exist.
A script was completed for the film. Ridley said he'd read it and it was good. No other details though.
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 20, 2015, 12:10:20 PM
Not to sound greedy but why can't we get two movies here? NB's A3.2 and a true A5 after A:R? I mean why the hell not? Release them both on the same day and let the public decide.
Because Ridley Scott's the director of one and producer of the other. Considering how large both respective projects would be, that's for the best.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 20, 2015, 02:56:43 PM
Numbers don't add up. Newt would be around 40 years old if Beihn and Weaver are going to be playing their characters at their current age. Unless Newt has been in cryo for a very long time.
Neither him nor Weaver look their actual ages. They can play characters younger than they, themselves, are.
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Nov 20, 2015, 07:05:19 PM
Its still sad to me that Alien 3 looks like its on the outs. But if it happens I want Jennifer Lawrence for the pure giggles to play and adult Newt. Neil Blomkamp presents Alien : Hunger
I've honestly never understood the hype for JL (and the fee she'd command would probably be too much on top of Weaver, if they want to succeed in the sort of set design and effects from the known concept art).
If they want Newt to look like she did in '
Book 2', however, the best likeness would almost certainly be Piper Perabo - who can act very well.
I could see Sarah Michelle Gellar doing it, too, who can also act decently (which would be ironic, considering the Whedon/Newt thing, as mentioned up above). Think that SMG also likes science-fiction, too. Is definitely a fan of '
Star Wars' and has been voicing a new character for the CGI '
Rebels' cartoon.
Although, I'd personally like it if they ultimately cast someone relatively unknown.
Quote from: windebieste on Nov 20, 2015, 09:32:53 PM
All these comments from a man that's not been signed up for the move.
We know he's been talked to about it. It's very likely he'll be officially cast when it does get to that stage.
QuoteThat is, a movie that's already been officially postponed - possibly even cancelled.
No indication it's been cancelled, at all.
QuoteNor has he read any script - because none exist.
One does, according to Ridley Scott. But Biehn isn't claiming he's read a script, just talking about the conversations he's apparently had.
QuoteIn the end, Blomkamp's movie project is running out of time.
According to who? It'll be ready when it's ready, man. No hurry.
Ah yes. You are correct. A script exists - but at this stage, such a script is expected to undergo heavy revision and changes if not outright get rejected. Unless I am mistaken, Scott also made no reveal regarding its content. You can bet either way, Biehn hasn't been blessed with the privilege of reading it.
Everything else is true. Biehn is just being a loud mouth indulging in unverified rumor and fan baiting. His portrayal of a character in a movie made 30 years ago does not make him an official mouthpiece for Fox today.
-Windebieste.
A 27 year old Newt, in comparison to the much older Ripley and Hicks could be explained easily by Newt remaining in Cryo longer than the two of them.
Maybe they will have spent x years assuming she was dead, only to discover W-Y had her and they woke her up at x time... So now they want to meet her/ rescue her, but she is 27 and they are older.
Honestly, I'm not taking much of this seriously. Ridley said they had a first draft, it was 'pretty good' and he had read it. That makes me think, he wants multiple drafts. Which is normal, but drastic changes may occur between now and what he actually produces in 2+ years.
I think we should take all this very lightly. In fact, I'm not even sold on the idea of this definitely happening.
Though as against the retcon as I am, if it does manage to provide a good ending for Ripley and interest me, I will be all for it.
TBT I'd rather just forget about A:R than have A3 taken away. Since now I'm supposed to forget about 2 movies, one of which Im quite fond of.
So I wonder, is it going to be Hot Newt; or Damaged Goods Newt? Anyone care to guess? :P
Quote from: whiterabbit on Nov 20, 2015, 11:27:22 PM
So I wonder, is it going to be Hot Newt; or Damaged Goods Newt? Anyone care to guess? :P
Look at Carrie henn now and guess.
Yep. Would've been Great, in 1998.
lol.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: windebieste on Nov 20, 2015, 11:31:27 PM
Yep. Would've been Great, in 1998.
lol.
-Windebieste.
True
Jennifer alawrence would upstage Sigourney Weaver so that's never going to happen.
Yep, Ridley said his movie will go out first obviously but he also said Blomkamp's will be out in 2017 but his Prometheus sequel is slated for a '17 Oct relase as well so he talk to much too early like Biehn did.
Maybe Biehn just speculting about the age of Newt as he thinks what the direction will be.If Newt is around 27 then he and Sigourney have to look about 10 years yonger than they are but its not a big deal because they really look yonger then their age.Maybe they need a lil make up.
That age of the actors shows that movie should came out around 2007..Fox could be happy they're in good shape.
But to recast Newt with JL..as Xenomorphine mentioned.. please no!better find a new face who remind us Newt..but we havent seen her in any concept art if she passing the torch she would be in the lead i think.
And the retcon of A3 and AR..i think Fox not really want them to be out beacause they always want to sell this series in nice big collectors box sets.
So when the next box set coming with(Avp AvpR hope not)Pr ,ACovenant, A, As ,A3 ,AR..where could they put A 5/ 3.2??
Obviously they want to put all movies in a box cos they want to sell it!!
So maybe theres some kind of continuity between Covenant and A5 as Ridley teased Ripley.
Quote from: windebieste on Nov 20, 2015, 10:48:10 PM
Ah yes. You are correct. A script exists - but at this stage, such a script is expected to undergo heavy revision and changes if not outright get rejected. Unless I am mistaken, Scott also made no reveal regarding its content. You can bet either way, Biehn hasn't been blessed with the privilege of reading it.
Everything else is true. Biehn is just being a loud mouth indulging in unverified rumor and fan baiting. His portrayal of a character in a movie made 30 years ago does not make him an official mouthpiece for Fox today.
-Windebieste.
Again, he never claimed he's read the script. He has, however, apparently had informal conversations and been clued in on what the basic premise is. He doesn't need an entire script for that.
Quote from: CainsSon on Nov 20, 2015, 11:24:48 PM
Honestly, I'm not taking much of this seriously. Ridley said they had a first draft, it was 'pretty good' and he had read it. That makes me think, he wants multiple drafts. Which is normal, but drastic changes may occur between now and what he actually produces in 2+ years.
I honestly don't know of any film which hasn't had multiple drafts of script. Even if you're directing it yourself (which NB is), you'll still want to refine what you've written over several different versions. Sometimes the changes you make will be major and others will be insignificant.
I don't think it'll take quite that long, though. :)
Thoughts under the line are not written by me ..someone trolling here. :o ??? ::)
Ok, I'm desperate now.
So here's some probably very irrational theory on how to make sense and join the timelines...
Weyland-Yutani tries to clone Ripley and Newt in the hopes of bringing back the Xenomorphs, they clone Newt as an experiment first before trying to clone Ripley, their attempt fails to bring back the Aliens... these secrets are figured out by the USM centuries later.
BAM!
Works perfectly.
I will ignore any arguments against this! *covers ears with hands* HEAR NO EVIL!
Is anyone just.. at this point of not caring about continuity or the damn timeline anymore? I think I'm getting there.
So he's had an 'informal' chat with someone at Fox regarding an unfinished script which makes Biehn the authority on what the content of the now delayed movie is going to be about.
Gotcha. Sounds like he's just trolling the fans now.
-Windebieste.
i just hope that this is true please id really love to see alien 5 and love to see michael biehn back as wall
Quote from: windebieste on Nov 21, 2015, 02:21:05 AM
So he's had an 'informal' chat with someone at Fox regarding an unfinished script which makes Biehn the authority on what the content of the now delayed movie is going to be about.
Gotcha. Sounds like he's just trolling the fans now.
-Windebieste.
Come on Winde, I explained it in the news post. :P Biehn hasn't read the script but he said back in August at an event I was at that he'd been spoken to by Blomkamp, telling him the intent and story behind the project.
I'd like to know if Blomkamp cares about Biehn mentioning this.
Horrible news if true...I despised the rumored idea Blomkamp has hinted at since the beginning, and the more I hear about this awful idea the more I hate it.
Blomkamp's Alien could have been a grand original story with NEW characters but instead he resorts to poor fan fiction tactics...I would not be unpleased if this mediocre project gets canceled.
Alien 3 will always be superior to any poor idea he has for reviving dead characters and damaging the series this bad. AvPR and Aliens: CM didn't do as much damage as he is suggesting his movie will.
FOX don't let this happen.
Quote from: windebieste on Nov 21, 2015, 02:21:05 AM
So he's had an 'informal' chat with someone at Fox regarding an unfinished script which makes Biehn the authority on what the content of the now delayed movie is going to be about.
Gotcha. Sounds like he's just trolling the fans now.
-Windebieste.
Yes, Winde, these are my thoughts too lol.
I imagined him surfing this forum feeding on our reactions. XD
How's that any different from what Blomkamp did? I just hope he won't get into hot water over it. The Aliens sequel hinges on his inclusion in the film.
The worst he may have done is let slip a little spoiler. A spoiler that shouldn't be that much of a surprise to begin with. Nothing to take offense to.
I've said this before on here but there's only one actress out there who I think would make a great adult Newt and has the look too.
Juno Temple:
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Quote from: tmjhur on Nov 21, 2015, 03:00:09 PM
I've said this before on here but there's only one actress out there who I think would make a great adult Newt and has the look too.
Juno Temple:
http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/NFE_portrait/2012/05/juno_temple.jpg
I completely forgot about her. She would be. Okay Jennifer Lawrence your fired lol
Jennifer Lawrence would sleepwalk through it. She looks bored as hell in some performances, lately.
That may have to do with the script or how the director wants her to perform it. But lets forget about her now and focus on Catwoman's sister
Quote from: tmjhur on Nov 21, 2015, 03:00:09 PM
I've said this before on here but there's only one actress out there who I think would make a great adult Newt and has the look too.
Juno Temple:
http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/NFE_portrait/2012/05/juno_temple.jpg
Juno Temple is perfect for this and she is sorta primed to be moved up to that level of fame as well.
So does this seriously mean that Alien 3 and Resurrection are undone? That they will be ignored and rendered redundant?
How will this affect future film releases such as the Quadrilogy. Like, will they release future collective editions and include A:3 and A:R alongside Alien 3.2 etc?
Good to see Newt will have a bigger place in this universe, like in the Female War. As far as Alien 3 and Resurrection, I think they might set those two films up as Ripley's "dream sequences."
Quote from: tmjhur on Nov 21, 2015, 03:00:09 PM
I've said this before on here but there's only one actress out there who I think would make a great adult Newt and has the look too.
Juno Temple:
http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/NFE_portrait/2012/05/juno_temple.jpg
I don't know who that is, but based on the photo alone, I think you're onto something...
Sorry for the double post, but a thought just occurred:
We're all going around referring to "the adult Newt"... but it's a ridiculous idea that a 27 year-old woman would be going around telling people to call her 'Newt'.
So, how do people feel about potential Alien films with a protagonist named 'Jorden'? Catchy, or not so much?
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 21, 2015, 01:22:42 AM
Weyland-Yutani tries to clone Ripley and Newt in the hopes of bringing back the Xenomorphs, they clone Newt as an experiment first before trying to clone Ripley, their attempt fails to bring back the Aliens... these secrets are figured out by the USM centuries later.
Why experiment with Newt? '
Alien Resurrection' showed you can just attempt to replicate the same DNA until you get it right.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 21, 2015, 07:49:57 AM
Quote from: windebieste on Nov 21, 2015, 02:21:05 AM
So he's had an 'informal' chat with someone at Fox regarding an unfinished script which makes Biehn the authority on what the content of the now delayed movie is going to be about.
Gotcha. Sounds like he's just trolling the fans now.
-Windebieste.
Come on Winde, I explained it in the news post. :P Biehn hasn't read the script but he said back in August at an event I was at that he'd been spoken to by Blomkamp, telling him the intent and story behind the project.
If he's discussed those details with you without signing a Non Disclosure Agreement, then there's no Project to speak of. He's just mouthing off. Casual conversations between Directors and Actors happen all the time. They mean nothing until signatures are committed to paper and contracts are signed.
If there was an NDA signed, then he lacks Professsional credibility by openly talking to you, especially to someone who moderates a forum on a popular website.
The only caveat I can see here is that he has signed an NDA and can discuss
specific details only, which is a dubious option that rarely occurs in any NDA, especially one of a corporate nature. On a Project of this nature, those rules are outlined extensively and without exception. Such caveats are best left off of any documentation, especially large corporate Projects of this nature, because it's easier to control content being discussed about.
In short, just because he spoke to you, it doesn't mean a thing. Possibly even less so because he
did talk to you.
My apologies for my skepticism but I've seen too many good opportunities within this series go south to feel confident with the very questionable comments made by someone only tangentially associated with a (delayed) Project. There's been too much 'He said this...' 'He said that...' throughout the years by too many people involved in various projects resulting in non-events and failings. Even Scott can't make up what his next movie is going to be called and He's the Man in Charge of that Project. I'm expected to accept the word of an actor who hasn't been signed up for any part(s), read the script and possibly not even signed an NDA?
You should have asked him that. "Have you signed any NDA's about this Project, Michael?" Because that's the most revealing question anyone can ask.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 21, 2015, 07:56:42 PM
So does this seriously mean that Alien 3 and Resurrection are undone? That they will be ignored and rendered redundant?
Just look at it like how Halloween IV-VI and Halloween H20, or better yet.. how the Showa and Heisei Godzilla films are considered separate timelines that share a diverging point. Not much of a loss there.
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 21, 2015, 07:56:42 PM
How will this affect future film releases such as the Quadrilogy. Like, will they release future collective editions and include A:3 and A:R alongside Alien 3.2 etc?
They will probably still release them as a box set. I know that there is a Halloween box set which has Halloween, Halloween II, Halloween III, Halloween IV - VI, Halloween H20 and the Rob Zombie Halloweens packaged in a blu-ray box set. So... I don't see a reason why Fox wouldn't do something similar. Shit.. I'm expecting another Hybrid Box/Total Destruction set, with the Predator films, AVP and Alien films.. Prometheus included. Dollar signs are there if Fox wants the dollar signs.
Quote from: The First Child on Nov 21, 2015, 08:14:48 PM
Good to see Newt will have a bigger place in this universe, like in the Female War. As far as Alien 3 and Resurrection, I think they might set those two films up as Ripley's "dream sequences."
While I'm all for Newt being given the torch... I would be very displeased if they really went the dream route. Going the Bobby Ewing route is the cheapest cop out for what was a "truth" that we've been told in the storyline that's lasted us twenty three years. I really think Fox and Blomkamp need to leave that alone, not touch anything and just go their own route.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 21, 2015, 10:03:11 PM
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 21, 2015, 01:22:42 AM
Weyland-Yutani tries to clone Ripley and Newt in the hopes of bringing back the Xenomorphs, they clone Newt as an experiment first before trying to clone Ripley, their attempt fails to bring back the Aliens... these secrets are figured out by the USM centuries later.
Why experiment with Newt? 'Alien Resurrection' showed you can just attempt to replicate the same DNA until you get it right.
Because continuity, that's why.
If they're gonna turn this into the Walking Dead by bringing back dead characters, I might as well make it fit into one continuity no matter how absurd my excuse sounds.
And that's the thing, "until you get it right", Weyland-Yutani didn't get it right. ;D
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 21, 2015, 11:08:00 PM
Because continuity, that's why.
I don't think Fox cares too much about continuity, even when attempting to clean things up.
Shit, look at the X-Men movie franchise which Fox has been doing.. Sure, they rectified everything but even then there are continuity issues with Days of Futures past. Bolivar Trask who was portrayed by Bill Duke in X3: X-Men United was suddenly turned into the white midget dude from Game of Thrones. Even Bryan Singer admitted that was a mistake and Fox didn't care.
Obviously Fox doesn't care, as long as they get paid.
I remember someone saying Toho doesn't care about Godzilla and it's kinda true. They only care enough because they get rich from the name and idea, but should someone else use it, they won't sue them because "they stole our Godzilla", but "because what they make could disturb our profits".
Caring is for us fans.
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 21, 2015, 11:37:55 PM
Obviously Fox doesn't care, as long as they get paid.
A cold, hard truth.
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 21, 2015, 11:37:55 PM
Caring is for us fans.
Love hurts, don't it?
Oh, such timing... here's Mark Hamill discussing the nature of his NDA:
He has a more respectful attitude to unauthorised public declarations. Not a single reveal. No spoilers. Just discussion about what he can't say; and what he can't say about what he can't say.
Hamill is behaving in a Professional manner in this regard - Biehn is not.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: windebieste on Nov 20, 2015, 09:32:53 PM
I am waiting for Official announcement from Fox before I take any comments from Biehn seriously.
Yeah, this^
In all likelihood this movie isn't going to happen. Once films are in development hell they tend to stay there. So many things could happen before this film is supposed to enter production (Alien: Covenent could completely bomb as could Blompkamps new film he's working on) that would derail the whole thing.
Quote from: tmjhur on Nov 21, 2015, 03:00:09 PM
I've said this before on here but there's only one actress out there who I think would make a great adult Newt and has the look too.
Juno Temple:
http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/NFE_portrait/2012/05/juno_temple.jpg
I can't say I've ever seen her in a film but she certainly looks the part. Her's was a name I heard bandied about a lot for the idea of playing Newt.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 22, 2015, 11:04:18 AM
Quote from: tmjhur on Nov 21, 2015, 03:00:09 PM
I've said this before on here but there's only one actress out there who I think would make a great adult Newt and has the look too.
Juno Temple:
http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/NFE_portrait/2012/05/juno_temple.jpg
I can't say I've ever seen her in a film but she certainly looks the part. Her's was a name I heard bandied about a lot for the idea of playing Newt.
She has a lead role in Killer Joe. Good movie!
LOL at the people who thinks Alien 3.2 gonna happen, the delusion is real, Biehn just talking out of his ass.
If I had my choice for adult Newt, Imogen Poots. Some of you might remember her from 28 Weeks Later. She was great there. However I think it'd be important that whoever they choose can imitate Carrie Henn's/Newt's accent.
I gotta agree woth Beatnation on this. Ridley has said in the past that he's very competitive and its very apparent in Prometheus. The bit where David is walking around the ship while the human crew was in cryo was something Lance Henrikson was going to do to introduce his android character Bishop in Aliens. The basketball scene because,well, whats better than a backwards shot than a guy goin around in circles on a bicycle and makin it in? Vickers's hull briefing which mirrors the hull briefing in Avp not to mention the whole movie IS Avp but slightly better. Running over infected Fifield was also a version of running over a soldier xeno from Camerons Aliens. Can't really think of anything mimicing Alien 3 except for the religious tone i suppose which adds more significance imo to any religious references in the Alien quadrilogy. The engineer waking up is rather like the newborn or "xenosapien" as it's discovered by the end of the film and mysteriously boards the craft with no explanation how. So if Ridley wants to keep making sequels then this franchise will probably be his last as he's well up there in age. And i'm guessing he didn't want some James Camerons Aliens fanboy to compete with his story so he stuck the Alien title in there as a f**k you to blomkamp pretty much telling him this is my franchise and i'm not letting your story overshadow mine.
Quote from: windebieste on Nov 21, 2015, 10:06:28 PM
My apologies for my skepticism but I've seen too many good opportunities within this series go south to feel confident with the very questionable comments made by someone only tangentially associated with a (delayed) Project. There's been too much 'He said this...' 'He said that...' throughout the years by too many people involved in various projects resulting in non-events and failings. Even Scott can't make up what his next movie is going to be called and He's the Man in Charge of that Project. I'm expected to accept the word of an actor who hasn't been signed up for any part(s), read the script and possibly not even signed an NDA?
Just to clarify and I know it'll only add fire to your own scepticism but this wasn't a one-on-one with me. It was during a talk at the event. He was asked about his involvement with the project. He said at the minute he'd only talked with Blomkamp who explained the basic premise and intent to him.
I understand your scepticism, I do but if Biehn was trying to use this as some ploy to raise his profile to get attention for the film, it'd be a terribly bad way to do. Personally I wouldn't be surprised if it was just another way for Blomkamp to get information out there to the ether considering I suspect the reaction to his concept art was largely what got the film greenlit in the first place.
I don't doubt that Biehn has spoken to Blomkamp. Considering his likeness and character was used in some of the concept art, it's quite reasonable to assume that he would be in the next film. I also don't doubt any of these details because it's what we've suspected all along.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 21, 2015, 10:44:25 PMJust look at it like how Halloween IV-VI and Halloween H20, or better yet.. how the Showa and Heisei Godzilla films are considered separate timelines that share a diverging point. Not much of a loss there.
The thing you need to realise is some people don't want that. Just because you think it's a brilliant idea doesn't mean everyone agrees.
It's all well and good saying "Well you've still got your
Alien 3 DVD blah blah blah..." but writing off the later films is more than just making a different sequel. It means
none of the plot threads/characters/events/whatever from the third and fourth films will
ever be followed up
ever again. There was room to do some really interesting stuff there - Morse, even Ripley 8 - but that'll all be scrapped if the new movie is just a retcon, and worse if it's a shit retcon they've just f*cked themselves out of some interesting opportunities with the existing continuity.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 23, 2015, 09:12:16 AM
There was room to do some really interesting stuff there - Morse, even Ripley 8 - but that'll all be scrapped if the new movie is just a retcon, and worse if it's a shit retcon they've just f*cked themselves out of some interesting opportunities with the existing continuity.
That's the real pressure for this sequel as far as I'm concerned. It's all well and good assuming you can better those sequels. You need to make sure you actually do to make this worth it.
My big concern with all of what we have heard so far about 'ALIEN 5' hasn't been all that positive. I'm not just talking about the movie; but how divisive it has been amongst fans. Right now, that division is roughly equal. It's about half of the Community wants to see Hicks and Ripley return thus 'correcting' issiues that 'ALIEN 3' introduced; and the other half of the Community want to see 'ALIEN 3' (and 'ALIEN: Resurrection') be respected as ligitimate entries in the series. It really is surprising how much support both sides have.
I believe when a fan base is divided to this extent then something is wrong. Very, very wrong with such a proposal.
If I was in Blomkamp's shoes, I'd be investing in getting as much of this fan base on side as much as possible. To me, that would mean re-assessing his outline for the movie and making some much needed compromises.
I've said this before but I think most fans would love a sequel to 'ALIENS' that didn't retcon the latter movies in the series. If fans want an 'ALIENS' sequel, then by all means why does it have to perform any retcon at all? It's a simple matter of framing the events of a sequel within the same time frame as 'ALIEN 3' but use a fresh cast of characters without attempting to shoe horn deceased favourites back into the series. Isn't that what most of us want? A fresh entry in the series where marines are pitted once again against xenos? It doesn't realy matter who's starring in the movie and holding down the pulse rifle triggers as long as the story is engaging and the characters are worthy of our commitment to them.
Does it really matter if it's Ripley and Hicks or someone else? I personally feel there's more to be gained by such a movie without those characters making top heavy appearances. One that respects all that has gone before. Right now, I only foresee problems with Blomkamp's current proposal and Biehn is asserting them.
If Blomkamp really wants to make a serious 'ALIENS' sequel, sure, I'd love to see it. I just don't see the need to divide the Community unnecessarily just to exercise this spiteful action towards the latter 2 movies, both of which have their own legion of fans. Fans that could easily be won over and be supportie of a tangential 'ALIENS' sequel that doesn't arbitrarilly dispose of their favourite movies in the series. These peoples' concerns are just as valid as anyone elses; but right now Blomkamp and Biehn just want to kick them in the teeth with this proposal for an unproven retcon. These fans will be won over so easily if their favourite movies have retained a status of legitimacy for 2 decades.
Blomkamp can unite this community with an 'ALIENS' sequel that omits Ripley and Hicks and have 90% (just my guess) of us on side; or he can minimise that percentge substantially by including these 2 characters in what amounts to a vengeful act of vilification. There's a sizeable gap he can close just by realising how much we all want to have all of our movies of choice respected.
Right now. I can't support it. I know others who don't either. If Blomkamp and Co. want to win me over with this current proposal, it has to be the most impressive movie in this series made to date. I don't believe that's an order they can deliver. It's just not possible.
Gah... long post. Sorry 'bout that. ;)
-Windebieste.
I'm in the minority;i have no desire to see anymore sequels.I don't believe this new film will deliver.The first two films are unbeatable-the last two proved that-i'm far more interested in the prequels.
QuoteIt's all well and good assuming you can better those sequels.
Shouldn't be much of a challenge.
QuoteI believe when a fan base is divided to this extent then something is wrong. Very, very wrong with such a proposal.
The fan base has always been this divided since Alien3.
QuoteIt means none of the plot threads/characters/events/whatever from the third and fourth films will ever be followed up ever again.
You've just sold me on the retcon.
Quoteso he stuck the Alien title in there as a f**k you to blomkamp pretty much telling him this is my franchise and i'm not letting your story overshadow mine.
Or maybe to link the films more closely.
QuoteLOL at the people who thinks Alien 3.2 gonna happen,
So far we have a greenlit film and affirmative comments from Blomkamp, Weaver, Biehn, and even Ridley Scott. Yeah, what are people thinking?
QuoteHamill is behaving in a Professional manner in this regard - Biehn is not.
It's obvious you really, really don't want to believe what Biehn is saying, but demonizing the man for it is just silly.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 23, 2015, 09:12:16 AMThere was room to do some really interesting stuff there - Morse, even Ripley 8 - but that'll all be scrapped if the new movie is just a retcon, and worse if it's a shit retcon they've just f*cked themselves out of some interesting opportunities with the existing continuity.
Indeed. A retcon would create a mess of things and squander some great possibilities. I could see a fifth film beginning with Ripley 8 wandering about space without a clear purpose, before deciding to investigate her past and, eventually, taking on the company (whatever company) to get rid of the aliens once and for all. The character could change throughout the story, becoming more and more "human" through her connection with the past. The film could even feature references to Newt and Hicks, which could make for some fairly dramatic scenes. An existentialist undercurrent could be integrated into the story, making the film a sort of "genetic sibling" of Alien 3, only without all the complaints about sudden deaths of beloved characters.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 23, 2015, 10:35:11 AM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 23, 2015, 09:12:16 AM
There was room to do some really interesting stuff there - Morse, even Ripley 8 - but that'll all be scrapped if the new movie is just a retcon, and worse if it's a shit retcon they've just f*cked themselves out of some interesting opportunities with the existing continuity.
That's the real pressure for this sequel as far as I'm concerned. It's all well and good assuming you can better those sequels. You need to make sure you actually do to make this worth it.
This is the biggest problem. But to build on that, it's also a huge disappointment, if it is successful and it is just mediocre - Yes!!! You have to remember its not only entirely possible that the film is a huge hit, it is even most likely that it is a huge hit and is just somewhat watchable.
This is the worst case scenario for two reasons. First: WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE ALIEN FRANCHISE - This ape-ing a previous film to marginal success is what will always happen next and I thought they had learned their lesson with AVP-R.... Plus, how drastic the changes are from one sequel to the next is one of this series best qualities and its why I actually want an ALIEN 5 to bring that promise further and continue from A:R. A:R sucked but not for this reason. I propose it sucks even more if you retcon now. ALIEN franchise has always been sorta saying: 'Like it or not - this one's a drama!' Or 'Like it or not this one's a comic book!' Or 'This one's an Action Film!' And even with Prometheus, they chose to try Hard Sci-Fi/Adventure. I like that quality in the Alien films, and I hope that is maintained, here (and w/ ALIEN: COVENANT), so I hate hearing people say they want Aliens 2. Because I don't want ANYTHING Part 2. Let it be it's own thing. Of course maybe they will, but from what Blomkamp has said it doesn't sound like it.
The other big issue I take with this is what this would mean, to other franchises of this caliber moving forward. When Jurassic Park or Terminator makes these huge shifts it works because it fits within the confines of what has already happened. Even Halloween, which is NOT on par with ALIEN in terms of its hit-making ability; people sight the ignoring of 4-6, but they don't wipe those sequels out. They just moved forward without acknowledging what happened in them (they couldn't have wiped them out because Dr. Loomis died in Part 6). Alien is a different animal.
I still think the best course of action is to set this film before Alien 3 and have Ripley get into those pods with two other characters in an attempt to trick the Company into thinking Newt and Hicks are dead for some important reason. I can ignore the age issue provided they take some precautions.
So I guess Biehn isn't happy with Icons of Fright: "The press sometimes has a way of misinterpreting what is actually said. When I was interviewed and asked what my thoughts were about the Alien 5 Movie, I was SPECULATING what the Alien 5 story "might" be about. And if i did know the plot point I would certainly not reveal them before the movie was released let alone before it went into production."
https://www.facebook.com/Michael-Biehn-174431302624910/?fref=ts
It certainly wasn't how it read to me. He never mentioned speculating. He spoke as if by fact. I'm not sure if this is his official page or not though. He has so many.
Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 21, 2015, 11:08:00 PM
Because continuity, that's why.
If they're gonna turn this into the Walking Dead by bringing back dead characters, I might as well make it fit into one continuity no matter how absurd my excuse sounds.
And that's the thing, "until you get it right", Weyland-Yutani didn't get it right. ;D
Like I said, you don't need the DNA of Rebecca Jordan to experiment. Just do what they did in '
Alien Resurrection' and keep experimenting with Ripley's own "until you get it right". What possible benefit would there be in using Newt's? None, whatsoever.
Quote from: windebieste on Nov 21, 2015, 10:06:28 PM
If he's discussed those details with you without signing a Non Disclosure Agreement, then there's no Project to speak of. He's just mouthing off. Casual conversations between Directors and Actors happen all the time. They mean nothing until signatures are committed to paper and contracts are signed.
Not when said conversations involve the director/writer telling you the basic outline
specifically to try and get you on board. Hell, not when they tell you the basic storyline, period.
He only needs an NDA when he's been signed up and cast. Until then, he's free to speak - and (assuming he was quoted accurately) exactly what incredibly, mind-blowing secrets has he revealed, which weren't already known about? Newt's back and, well, that's all... It's something we've been wondering about, but I can't imagine that's something which wouldn't be revealed in the first couple of minutes, anyway (or even a few days/weeks into production, when casting calls have gone out).
QuoteMy big concern with all of what we have heard so far about 'ALIEN 5' hasn't been all that positive. I'm not just talking about the movie; but how divisive it has been amongst fans. Right now, that division is roughly equal. It's about half of the Community wants to see Hicks and Ripley return thus 'correcting' issiues that 'ALIEN 3' introduced; and the other half of the Community want to see 'ALIEN 3' (and 'ALIEN: Resurrection') be respected as ligitimate entries in the series. It really is surprising how much support both sides have.
That isn't something Blomkamp or even Fox has any control over. That's the fandom whipping
itself into an unnecessary frenzy in the
absence of any real information.
QuoteI believe when a fan base is divided to this extent then something is wrong. Very, very wrong with such a proposal.
As has been pointed out, that's been the case since '
Alien 3' was released. :) That's never going to change.
QuoteIf I was in Blomkamp's shoes, I'd be investing in getting as much of this fan base on side as much as possible. To me, that would mean re-assessing his outline for the movie and making some much needed compromises.
No, you wouldn't. You'd be focusing on writing the thing and trying to polish it to be as good as it can be. You wouldn't have control over what others think and the only way to calm everything would be if you revealed your story. There is literally nothing he can do to calm the waters. Most of the argumentative stuff has been from fans coming up with theories of their own making.
QuoteI've said this before but I think most fans would love a sequel to 'ALIENS' that didn't retcon the latter movies in the series. If fans want an 'ALIENS' sequel, then by all means why does it have to perform any retcon at all? It's a simple matter of framing the events of a sequel within the same time frame as 'ALIEN 3' but use a fresh cast of characters without attempting to shoe horn deceased favourites back into the series. Isn't that what most of us want? A fresh entry in the series where marines are pitted once again against xenos? It doesn't realy matter who's starring in the movie and holding down the pulse rifle triggers as long as the story is engaging and the characters are worthy of our commitment to them.
I've pointed this out before and will do so again: Blomkmap has already gone on the record as saying his original story was different and took account of '
Alien 3' and such. It was
Weaver who changed that.
It's also
Weaver who doesn't want to play Ripley's clone.
I'm constantly puzzled at why Blomkamp's copping all the shit for this, when it's
Weaver who was the driving force for those changes.
If I had the chance to write and direct an '
Alien' film, I'd make something original, too. If Weaver talked to me and was able to miraculously somehow make it a reality, you can bet I'd change my basic story, too!
Quote from: majorShears on Nov 23, 2015, 09:18:25 PM
Indeed. A retcon would create a mess of things and squander some great possibilities. I could see a fifth film beginning with Ripley 8 wandering about space without a clear purpose, before deciding to investigate her past and, eventually, taking on the company (whatever company) to get rid of the aliens once and for all. The character could change throughout the story, becoming more and more "human" through her connection with the past. The film could even feature references to Newt and Hicks, which could make for some fairly dramatic scenes. An existentialist undercurrent could be integrated into the story, making the film a sort of "genetic sibling" of Alien 3, only without all the complaints about sudden deaths of beloved characters.
And I'm sure that's probably been in at least one of the scripts which, no matter how insightful, Weaver was responsible for saying no to. She doesn't want to reprise Ripley 8. She does, however, want to reprise Ellen Ripley.
Sounds to me like Biehn is backtracking under instruction from Fox.
*RING! RING!*
Michael Biehn: "Ah! The phone is ringing! It must be my Agent telling me the contracts for 'ALIEN 5' are ready to sign at last! 7 figure paycheck coming up!"
*MB Picks up the phone and answers* "Yes? Michael Biehn speaking..."
Fox Executive: "STFU!"
MB: "Uh... OK." *Hangs up and puts the phone down.* "DAMN! I just blew my paycheck on that interview."
-Windebieste.
Does Biehn still drink?
Quote from: Elmazalman on Nov 24, 2015, 10:22:09 AM
Does Biehn still drink?
I do believe he's over all that.
QuoteLike I said, you don't need the DNA of Rebecca Jordan to experiment. Just do what they did in 'Alien Resurrection' and keep experimenting with Ripley's own "until you get it right". What possible benefit would there be in using Newt's? None, whatsoever.
SCIENCE, my friend, science! Maybe it's a social experiment to see how RIpley clone reacts, if she'd be fooled into thinking she's the real Ripley and that Newt survived or something because psychology can be very interesting.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 24, 2015, 09:02:50 AM
It certainly wasn't how it read to me. He never mentioned speculating. He spoke as if by fact. I'm not sure if this is his official page or not though. He has so many.
I heard that "passing the torch on to Newt" rumour somewhere before. Cannot remember the source but it was quite a while back. Can you remember anything like that?
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 23, 2015, 09:12:16 AM
It's all well and good saying "Well you've still got your Alien 3 DVD blah blah blah..." but writing off the later films is more than just making a different sequel. It means none of the plot threads/characters/events/whatever from the third and fourth films will ever be followed up ever again. There was room to do some really interesting stuff there - Morse, even Ripley 8 - but that'll all be scrapped if the new movie is just a retcon, and worse if it's a shit retcon they've just f*cked themselves out of some interesting opportunities with the existing continuity.
If the new film turns out to be a bit rubbish then Fox will just politely ignore it with regards to continuity in any future Alien films.
Just like Prometheus did with the AVP films.
Quote from: CainsSon on Nov 23, 2015, 09:52:04 PM
I still think the best course of action is to set this film before Alien 3 and have Ripley get into those pods with two other characters in an attempt to trick the Company into thinking Newt and Hicks are dead for some important reason. I can ignore the age issue provided they take some precautions.
Who do ya reckon should play Turk?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 24, 2015, 02:35:02 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 24, 2015, 09:02:50 AM
It certainly wasn't how it read to me. He never mentioned speculating. He spoke as if by fact. I'm not sure if this is his official page or not though. He has so many.
I heard that "passing the torch on to Newt" rumour somewhere before. Cannot remember the source but it was quite a while back. Can you remember anything like that?
Sorry, I can't. But it was a logical assumption all along.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 24, 2015, 02:35:02 PMWho do ya reckon should play Turk?
Daniel Day-Lewis or this project is dead to me.
How about a CG de-aged James Remar?
:laugh:
...or Stephen Lang.
Who's Turk?
The surprise Hicks!
http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Turk
An update:
http://www.theterminatorfans.com/exclusive-michael-biehn-sets-record-straight-on-alien-5-speculation/
Not sure if it is the guy's true Facebook, but...
So all this was just... malarkey?
Oh man, this is just.. Hah.. No one really knows a damn thing.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 24, 2015, 03:19:06 PM
Who's Turk?
On behalf of Alien fanboys everywhere, I am ashamed to count you amongst us Perfect-Organism.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 24, 2015, 09:04:33 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 24, 2015, 03:19:06 PM
Who's Turk?
On behalf of Alien fanboys everywhere, I am ashamed to count you amongst us Perfect-Organism.
Maybe that wasn't just tobacco in my respirator tube.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 24, 2015, 09:04:33 PM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 24, 2015, 03:19:06 PM
Who's Turk?
On behalf of Alien fanboys everywhere, I am ashamed to count you amongst us Perfect-Organism.
Or jealous he still has that innocence?
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 24, 2015, 08:19:40 PM
An update:
http://www.theterminatorfans.com/exclusive-michael-biehn-sets-record-straight-on-alien-5-speculation/
Not sure if it is the guy's true Facebook, but...
Added that statement to the original post too.
So we can consider this all debunked then. Okay.
But are we still certain Blomkamp's movie is still going to ignore Alien 3?
You can take it all back to Square One.
Nothing is out of the question at this point. All we can be certain of right now is 'ALIEN 5' is on hiatus. At best, it's content is 100% Unknown.
I'm waiting for Official Fox announcements. As usual.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: RakaiThwei on Nov 25, 2015, 12:08:05 AMBut are we still certain Blomkamp's movie is still going to ignore Alien 3?
Considering it was never actually officially stated or confirmed, I don't consider that it was ever 100% certain. Hence...
Quote from: windebieste on Nov 25, 2015, 02:10:12 AMI'm waiting for Official Fox announcements. As usual.
...this.
So all that news has folded itself into a black hole of nothingness. Well theres hope for my idea then lmao
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Nov 25, 2015, 12:58:39 PM
So all that news has folded itself into a black hole of nothingness.
Yup. I'd say that's a pretty accurate description.
Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 24, 2015, 09:15:46 AM
Quote from: majorShears on Nov 23, 2015, 09:18:25 PM
Indeed. A retcon would create a mess of things and squander some great possibilities. I could see a fifth film beginning with Ripley 8 wandering about space without a clear purpose, before deciding to investigate her past and, eventually, taking on the company (whatever company) to get rid of the aliens once and for all. The character could change throughout the story, becoming more and more "human" through her connection with the past. The film could even feature references to Newt and Hicks, which could make for some fairly dramatic scenes. An existentialist undercurrent could be integrated into the story, making the film a sort of "genetic sibling" of Alien 3, only without all the complaints about sudden deaths of beloved characters.
And I'm sure that's probably been in at least one of the scripts which, no matter how insightful, Weaver was responsible for saying no to. She doesn't want to reprise Ripley 8. She does, however, want to reprise Ellen Ripley.
Do you have a source on that? All I know is that Blomkamp asked her how she felt about the films and the character of Ripley, and that's where he got the idea for another story featuring her. I didn't know she didn't want to play the clone. If that's the case, it's truly a shame.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 24, 2015, 02:36:16 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Nov 24, 2015, 02:35:02 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 24, 2015, 09:02:50 AM
It certainly wasn't how it read to me. He never mentioned speculating. He spoke as if by fact. I'm not sure if this is his official page or not though. He has so many.
I heard that "passing the torch on to Newt" rumour somewhere before. Cannot remember the source but it was quite a while back. Can you remember anything like that?
Sorry, I can't. But it was a logical assumption all along.
Pretty sure it was from an established media news site who claimed they had some "inside knowledge". It wasn't just idle fan speculation.
But anyway, Biehn already previously speculated at the possibility of Newt's inclusion about five months ago:
From 1:50 on in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmUH_eA9VGE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmUH_eA9VGE)
Reese/Hicks is looking and sounding old.
:(
Cool by me if they ignore Alien 3. A lot of people didn't like it and doing a proper sequel to Aliens makes more sense to me. Fans always wanted to see a good sequel to Aliens and never really got it.
Quote from: Hellspawn28 on Nov 25, 2015, 11:39:49 PM
Cool by me if they ignore Alien 3. A lot of people didn't like it and doing a proper sequel to Aliens makes more sense to me. Fans always wanted to see a good sequel to Aliens and never really got it.
This. Hellspawn28 you're right on the money.
I think Michael Biehn has aged well.
Quote from: Vermillion on Nov 25, 2015, 11:21:32 PMReese/Hicks is looking and sounding old.
:(
The drink will do that to you.
Such a shame his career just imploded, because he was one of my favourite actors.
So there hasn't been any news on the horizon OTHER THAN that tweet from Carrie Henn regarding the #NewtLives thing, right? Was that cryptic message even figured out by anyone?
Nothing for a while and I'm sure we wont really hear anything concrete until towards the end of Alien: Covenant. Once they're in publicity for Covenant, Alien 3.2 will probably start to gear back up and they'll start talking about that - especially with Scott producing it.
As for the #NewtLives thing - no, nothing has come of it yet.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 25, 2016, 08:25:42 AM
Nothing for a while and I'm sure we wont really hear anything concrete until towards the end of Alien: Covenant. Once they're in publicity for Covenant, Alien 3.2 will probably start to gear back up and they'll start talking about that - especially with Scott producing it.
As for the #NewtLives thing - no, nothing has come of it yet.
Hicks you still think the Blomkamp film has a chance? Have you seed Deadpool? I mean the way that film came together, and seeing how its a retcon, doesn't that make you want to believe in Blomkamp's idea a bit more?
Quote from: Vermillion on Nov 25, 2015, 11:21:32 PM
Reese/Hicks is looking and sounding old.
:(
Hey, happens to the best of us.
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2016, 11:02:30 PMHicks you still think the Blomkamp film has a chance? Have you seed Deadpool? I mean the way that film came together, and seeing how OTC a retcon, doesn't that make you want to believe in Blomkamp's idea a bit more?
No. Constant retcons should stay with comic books where the concept has infinite precedents.
I don't want that kind of thing being introduced to more serious film series.
I still dislike the concept of a retcon in my Alien films. As HuDa says, it's very much a comic book element and not something I'd like in Alien. However, I still standby that if it ends up being a good film that is actually superior to Alien 3 then I'll take it.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2016, 08:45:21 AM
Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Feb 25, 2016, 11:02:30 PMHicks you still think the Blomkamp film has a chance? Have you seed Deadpool? I mean the way that film came together, and seeing how OTC a retcon, doesn't that make you want to believe in Blomkamp's idea a bit more?
No. Constant retcons should stay with comic books where the concept has infinite precedents.
I don't want that kind of thing being introduced to more serious film series.
Once again here I am looking for that 'like' button...
Jennifer Blanc-Biehn (Michael's wife) has been tweeting some Alien 5 related articles, including a retweet of this one. I replied saying that she'd spoken out against that interview and she replied with: "we can only go on official announcements :)"
https://twitter.com/jenniferblancb/status/726304173789052928
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 26, 2016, 08:54:43 AM
I still dislike the concept of a retcon in my Alien films. As HuDa says, it's very much a comic book element and not something I'd like in Alien. However, I still standby that if it ends up being a good film that is actually superior to Alien 3 then I'll take it.
That'll be a tough thing to do. Alien3 is the best Alien film since 1992 imo.
Love the ending of Aliens.
Hate the beginning of Alien3.
Now that i have kids...I feel for Ripley and Newt.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Apr 30, 2016, 07:40:24 AM
Jennifer Blanc-Biehn (Michael's wife) has been tweeting some Alien 5 related articles, including a retweet of this one. I replied saying that she'd spoken out against that interview and she replied with: "we can only go on official announcements :)"
https://twitter.com/jenniferblancb/status/726304173789052928
"we can only go on official announcements :)"6 months ago. (http://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=53568.15)
Bottom. Of. Page.
-Windebieste.
I forgot to mention that I also asked if Michael had been misquoted during that original interview to which Jennifer replied: " I don't think exactly. No. It's always hard when its second hand" So it's still pretty unclear to me.