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Title: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Xenomrph on Nov 19, 2020, 12:19:39 AM
This is pretty f**ked up, Disney hasn't been paying ADF royalties owed for the Alien novelizations.

Source: http://www.sfwa.org/disney-must-pay/?fbclid=IwAR1ymGoVp6UDni8vhaomHqzhSd3TgWiaBYUoMRfmcOV0jOJw11WQhyIOyYI

Edit-- slight update on Disney's position. Still bullshit.

https://twitter.com/KMSzpara/status/1329153117242470402
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Phobos on Nov 19, 2020, 12:46:51 AM
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 19, 2020, 02:31:58 AM
Same thing happening to the creative teams involved in all the comics being reprinted in Marvel's Aliens Omnibus, too. :-\
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: SiL on Nov 19, 2020, 02:49:11 AM
Slightly different situation. The comics creators weren't contractually entitled to royalties, DH had just been paying them -- and only to certain artists, not everyone. Mark A Nelson was getting royalties, but creators on other comics weren't, for example.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 19, 2020, 09:05:15 AM
As shitty as the situation was with the Dark Horse writers and artists, I at least understood there wasn't any sort of legal obligation on Disney's part. But this? This is this kind of shit I could see WY trying to pull off. "We inherit the good stuff, not the bad stuff." This could set all sorts of legal precedents if they get away with this.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: SiL on Nov 19, 2020, 09:07:09 AM
I'm worried there may already be legal precedents for it, as many companies try to do this.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Samhain13 on Nov 19, 2020, 11:16:29 AM
Disney is playing the WY part. ADF is our Ripley.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Whiskeybrewer on Nov 19, 2020, 11:42:27 AM
Wow. Just, Wow
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Gryph on Nov 19, 2020, 01:32:03 PM
ADF is one of my fav authors (Spellsinger FTW!)
For him to be treated this way is a travesty.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: PVC on Nov 19, 2020, 02:25:16 PM
Hi. Thanks Mr Foster. So sorry for you.  As I always said about big corporation , consortium etc .... It's just about money.  They don't care about people like you or me. Disney doesn t care about art.  Not anymore .....
Star Wars is crap now , the last predator movie was a piece of "sheet" ..... Because I'm polite    Alien almost dead
I'm not surprise. And because I'm polite I'll not say the F word to Disney   They have others consideration ..... Feminism .... Agenda .... Planning ..... Lgbt ....  I'm sorry you have to talk to them , to deal with them
A bunch of your books are part of my collection
Mr Foster , you are an artist .... They are not.   Regards
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Bug hunt wilson on Nov 19, 2020, 02:33:36 PM
Walt Disney ruining your favorite franchise in one way or another as soon as they buy them
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Kradan on Nov 19, 2020, 02:37:00 PM
Well, not surprising at all. Disney gotta be Disney
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royaltie...
Post by: Xenomrph on Nov 19, 2020, 02:49:12 PM
One thing that puzzles me is why this is only just now coming to light - Disney acquired Lucasfilm in like 2012 and presumably hasn't been paying Foster ever since; have they been stonewalling him for 8 years and I guess now he's finally said "enough is enough" and is going public about it? If so, he's got a lot more patience than I do, I'd have gotten angry about it way before now.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Corporal Hicks on Nov 19, 2020, 03:25:39 PM
I imagine it was taking the hit from the Alien novels on top of the older Star Wars that finally broke the camel's back.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Nukiemorph on Nov 19, 2020, 10:42:23 PM
 >:( This is disgusting.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royaltie...
Post by: SiL on Nov 19, 2020, 11:03:31 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 19, 2020, 02:49:12 PM
One thing that puzzles me is why this is only just now coming to light - Disney acquired Lucasfilm in like 2012 and presumably hasn't been paying Foster ever since; have they been stonewalling him for 8 years and I guess now he's finally said "enough is enough" and is going public about it? If so, he's got a lot more patience than I do, I'd have gotten angry about it way before now.
In the press conference they said it took them a while to even track down who was currently publishing things, and then more time to find out who was issuing the licenses. That's when they said it was Disney, so they went to them, and then they wanted him to sign an NDA before negotiating.

So a lot of bullshit going on.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: 426Buddy on Nov 19, 2020, 11:39:13 PM
I think I've had enough of disney, canceling disney+ and not going to give that monstrosity of a company any more of my money.

I'm sure Walt is spinning in his grave.

Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: RSB on Nov 20, 2020, 05:02:07 AM
Oh, come on.  It's not as though The Mouse is made of money and has a virtual monopoly upon the industry... oh wait! Never mind.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: St_Eddie on Nov 20, 2020, 05:04:03 AM
Oh, come on.  It's not as though The Mouse is made of money and has a virtual monopoly upon the industry... oh wait! Never mind.


It bears repeating.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: drsmuts on Nov 20, 2020, 07:51:46 AM
That's disgusting. Hopefully a bit of fan pressure will put this right.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: bobby brown on Nov 20, 2020, 09:07:06 AM
What a bunch of c*cksuckers.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Rudiger on Nov 20, 2020, 10:27:53 AM
I'm done with these assholes at Disney. Not a penny more from me.

ADF's novelisation was my first real introduction to the Alien universe, as I was way too young to go see the film at the cinema when it was first released in the UK.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royaltie...
Post by: Xenomrph on Nov 20, 2020, 03:46:36 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Nov 19, 2020, 11:39:13 PM
I'm sure Walt is spinning in his grave.


Nah, Walt was pretty big into making endless piles of money.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royaltie...
Post by: 426Buddy on Nov 20, 2020, 06:31:32 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 20, 2020, 03:46:36 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Nov 19, 2020, 11:39:13 PM
I'm sure Walt is spinning in his grave.


Nah, Walt was pretty big into making endless piles of money.

Do you know anything regarding his struggle to be paid as an artist in his early years?
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royaltie...
Post by: Xenomrph on Nov 20, 2020, 09:39:10 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Nov 20, 2020, 06:31:32 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 20, 2020, 03:46:36 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Nov 19, 2020, 11:39:13 PM
I'm sure Walt is spinning in his grave.


Nah, Walt was pretty big into making endless piles of money.

Do you know anything regarding his struggle to be paid as an artist in his early years?
Nah, but I know about Disney snatching up everything they possibly can in order to make as much money as possible, and I'm not even talking in recent history.

Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royaltie...
Post by: 426Buddy on Nov 20, 2020, 09:50:46 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 20, 2020, 09:39:10 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Nov 20, 2020, 06:31:32 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 20, 2020, 03:46:36 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Nov 19, 2020, 11:39:13 PM
I'm sure Walt is spinning in his grave.


Nah, Walt was pretty big into making endless piles of money.

Do you know anything regarding his struggle to be paid as an artist in his early years?
Nah, but I know about Disney snatching up everything they possibly can in order to make as much money as possible, and I'm not even talking in recent history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jed8B4L4-4

Oh, well Walt when through similar circumstances when he was just starting out. I suggest reading up on it, its pretty interesting. It's been awhile myself so the details are sorta hazy.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royaltie...
Post by: Huggs on Nov 21, 2020, 12:10:03 AM
Perhaps one day they'll get bought out by walmart.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: 426Buddy on Nov 21, 2020, 12:20:44 AM
Disney is the new WY
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Huggs on Nov 21, 2020, 12:22:39 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Nov 21, 2020, 12:20:44 AM
Disney is the new WY

Wal-Yart
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royaltie...
Post by: Kradan on Nov 21, 2020, 10:01:08 AM
Quote from: Huggs on Nov 21, 2020, 12:10:03 AM
Perhaps one day they'll get bought out by walmart.

Does it mean, we'll get cloned Alien movies ?
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Jurassicvania on Nov 21, 2020, 02:17:57 PM
Frunking Disney, how many stories have I heard of artists getting burned by the mouse.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royaltie...
Post by: 426Buddy on Nov 21, 2020, 04:18:55 PM
Quote from: Hudson on Nov 21, 2020, 03:58:26 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Nov 20, 2020, 06:31:32 PM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 20, 2020, 03:46:36 PM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Nov 19, 2020, 11:39:13 PM
I'm sure Walt is spinning in his grave.


Nah, Walt was pretty big into making endless piles of money.

Do you know anything regarding his struggle to be paid as an artist in his early years?

He was a f**king sellout who made war propaganda and testified against unions before HUAC. Have some perspective before you go defending a dead rich guy who never cared about your feelings. Disney hasn't turned any corners. They've always been like this.

No need to be a dickhead, I said I was a bit hazy on his early years but I was simply refering to this.

"Disney found his first major success with the creation of Oswald the Lucky Rabbit. Disney's character Oswald was plenty lucky, becoming a huge star in one-reel animation, but Disney himself would find his luck had run out. Traveling to New York to renegotiate his contract, he discovered that his producer had taken his team of animators from under him and that he no longer had any legal rights to Oswald the Lucky Rabbit."

I'm certainly no expert I just thought this situation was a bit similar.

Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: MrBnetV on Nov 28, 2020, 12:51:47 AM
I refuse to purchase any Alien/Predator comics under the Disney/Marvel banner.

I've been reading the Dark Horse Comics for near 30 years. It was a good run...
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: HicksIsAlive on Dec 15, 2020, 10:35:32 PM
This is absolutely disgusting but no surprise as Disney have proven themselves scumbags left and right. My fear here would be if they were pushed to the brink on this one, they'd stop publishing the ADF books altogether as they'd rather lose the revenue on them as opposed to starting a precedent of paying artists what they're owed which would cost them more in the long run.

I also hadn't heard ADF had been diagnosed with cancer and and gutted to hear that. He and his family are in my thoughts this evening and hopefully he makes a full recovery or at least can live a full life. His books brought me such entertainment over the years, especially during my formative years and for that I'm deeply grateful to him.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royaltie...
Post by: Nostromo on Dec 16, 2020, 04:05:24 PM
Quote from: MrBnetV on Nov 28, 2020, 12:51:47 AM
I refuse to purchase any Alien/Predator comics under the Disney/Marvel banner.

I've been reading the Dark Horse Comics for near 30 years. It was a good run...

Exactly, unless they get 8/10 ratings minimum but fans I trust here f it, f star wars n f marvel. F their movies too.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Kradan on Dec 16, 2020, 06:07:13 PM
But how you gonna find out not buying it ?
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Russ840 on Dec 16, 2020, 07:28:07 PM
To be honest. It's a shame for the creatives but at the end of the day, it's business.

Why would anyone part with money that they are legally not required to?

I don't understand why people think Disney are so awful (I'm not suggesting that it's not mercenary and Disney are perfect) for not paying money that they are not contracted to.

Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Nukiemorph on Dec 16, 2020, 07:48:42 PM
Fox was contracted to.

They bought Fox.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Russ840 on Dec 16, 2020, 08:17:59 PM
Indeed, but those obligations did not carry over with the purchase. As far as I understand anyway.  So I don't see the problem.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Nukiemorph on Dec 16, 2020, 08:21:38 PM
That's what Disney is arguing, but I don't know if it was actually laid out in the agreement or if this was an afterthought that Disney is just washing their hands of.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: SiL on Dec 16, 2020, 08:35:49 PM
Disney is trying to argue they only bought the assets, not the liabilities, which is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Russ840 on Dec 16, 2020, 08:43:24 PM
Well shouldn't we wait to see the outcome of the proceedings. 
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: 426Buddy on Dec 16, 2020, 09:16:31 PM
It's probably illegal and it's certainly immoral.

It's wrong in every way.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 16, 2020, 11:13:53 PM
Who honestly gives a f**k about the proceedings? Even if it is legal, should it be? This is a corporation worth hundreds of billions of dollars that can't be assed to spare what essentially amounts to pennies to someone that was under contract by a company that they bought for, checks notes, 71.3 billion dollars.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Naginata on Dec 17, 2020, 12:24:54 AM
^ THANK YOU. The whole argument Disney is making here is completely insane.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Stitch on Dec 17, 2020, 07:20:53 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Dec 16, 2020, 08:17:59 PM
Indeed, but those obligations did not carry over with the purchase. As far as I understand anyway.  So I don't see the problem.
That's like buying a car privately from an owner who has it on finance, and then saying that you don't owe the financiers because you didn't buy it from them. Not how business works.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Nukiemorph on Apr 30, 2021, 05:56:21 PM
ADF reports that this issue has been resolved.
https://www.alandeanfoster.com/version2.0/updates.htm (https://www.alandeanfoster.com/version2.0/updates.htm)
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Stitch on Apr 30, 2021, 11:23:01 PM
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Apr 30, 2021, 05:56:21 PM
ADF reports that this issue has been resolved.
https://www.alandeanfoster.com/version2.0/updates.htm (https://www.alandeanfoster.com/version2.0/updates.htm)
Good! Glad to hear it.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Xenomrph on May 01, 2021, 12:40:57 AM
Quote from: Nukiemorph on Apr 30, 2021, 05:56:21 PM
ADF reports that this issue has been resolved.
https://www.alandeanfoster.com/version2.0/updates.htm (https://www.alandeanfoster.com/version2.0/updates.htm)
That's fantastic.
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Corporal Hicks on May 01, 2021, 02:17:47 PM
Glad to hear it!
Title: Re: Alan Dean Foster not getting novelization royalties from Disney
Post by: Immortan Jonesy on May 26, 2021, 12:33:30 AM
Quote from: io9"Boom Studios strongly support all creators receiving any reporting and royalty payments they are contractually owed. When we have obligations, we honor them," said Filip Sablik, Boom's president of publishing and marketing, said in a statement provided via press release. "We are happy to work with both the Disney Task Force and our licensor Disney to resolve the situation to everyone's satisfaction." The press release further adds that the Task Force "believes that Boom Studios were not told about the writers who were due royalties when Disney transferred media rights to them."

https://twitter.com/io9/status/1397288128818257924