Catch all thread for the full reviews. SlashFilm already broke embargo and there's is up now. Mixed review - https://www.slashfilm.com/the-predator-review/ -
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QuoteWho knew Predators could be so funny? Shane Black's The Predator takes the Predator franchise and turns into a full-blown comedy. Sure, there's action and sci-fi mayhem. But humor is the most constant factor here. And it doesn't always work.
While there have been a handful of amusing moments in the Predator franchise as a whole, no single film goes for as many wall-to-wall jokes as Shane Black's The Predator. Anyone worrying that Black wouldn't bring his trademark quips and witticisms to the script (the trailers have been considerably light on this element) need worry no more: The Predator is loaded with jokes. In fact, there might be too many jokes. In some respects, The Predator is like the Thor: Ragnarok of the franchise – the film that takes what came before and turns it all into a pretty funny gag. The Predator is so far removed from 1987's Predator that to compare them would be unfair. I only bring it up here so that we can move on.
The Predator finds a team of rag-tag military misfits joined together to battle everyone's favorite mandible-sporting alien trophy hunter. At the start of the film, sniper Quinn McKenna (Boyd Holbrook) runs afoul of a Predator ship that crash-lands in the midst of one of his missions. A secret military agency run by Traeger (Sterling K. Brown, stealing every damn scene he's in) finds out about this and scoops Quinn up. Traeger and his team have been tracking Predators for years. They've even gone ahead and officially named them Predators (one of the film's running jokes involves characters pointing out that "hunter", not "predator", would be a better distinction for the creatures). Traeger has also brought in biologist Casey Bracket (Olivia Munn), who goes gaga over the prospect of studying alien DNA.
In a whiplash-inducing opening sequence, Quinn gathers up some discarded Predator gear and mails it to his estranged wife and son. The son, played by Jacob Tremblay, has a form of autism, and is able to quickly figure out all the gadgets and doodads that come along with the Predator tech. Hard to believe? Absolutely. But that's the kind of film The Predator is. It doesn't have time to stop and think about any of this stuff. It just wants to get to the mayhem and the jokes. Which is does, rapidly. Black and company did extensive reshoots on The Predator before release, and the end result is a film with zero fat – but that's not exactly a good thing. The Predator is in a constant rush, to the point where you have to either throw up your hands and go with it, or disengage completely.
The first act is clunky, but things really pick up when Quinn hooks up with a bus full of rejects, all of whom have their own quirks. Trevante Rhodes is prone to chain-smoking and suicidal thoughts; Keegan-Michael Key compensates for his PTSD with jokes; Augusto Aguilera is a Bible nut; Alfie Allen is...well, I'm not really sure what his deal is – he's just there; and Thomas Jane has Tourette Syndrome. Key gets the most laughs of the group – but through his timing and reaction to things rather than the jokes his character tells, which are rather groan-inducing. Rhodes is incredibly cool and collected; a magnetic screen presence. And while Jane gives his character his all, the way the film constantly plays his Tourettes as schtick gets real old, real fast.
And what of the Predator? It's here, in all its deadly glory. While the first film kept the creature off-screen for a good portion of the proceedings, The Predator has its beastie front and center for almost the entire film. And it's not alone – later, a massive mutated Predator shows up as well, along with some Predator dogs – one of which turns out to be kind of cute and cuddly (I'm not kidding).
As for plot, there's a lot of mumbo-jumbo about gene splicing and evolution, but let's be honest: it doesn't matter. You know this, I know this, and The Predator knows this, because it treats all of these developments as afterthoughts. In fact, when The Predator does stop to slow down and dole out some story, it tends to get boring. You can practically sense the characters all checking their respective watches, waiting for this drudgery to end so they can get back to the action.
Black stages that action in a clear, highly-entertaining way. There are spaceship chases, and crashes. There are shootouts galore. Trucks flip in blasts of fire. The Predator's movements are swift and brutal, and Black revels in the gore. Limbs fly, guts splash, and heads roll. It sounds ghastly, but almost all of the violence is played for laughs. The Predator is no longer a scary unstoppable force. It's a punchline. There's also plenty of fan service – at least two classic lines from Predator are repurposed here, to (mostly) amusing effect.
Is this bent towards comedy a problem? Purists (do Predator purists even exist?) might find fault. Some may long for the franchise to return to its serious roots. After you exit the theater into the real world, the flaws of The Predator become more and more apparent. The plot doesn't make sense. A lot of the jokes fall flat. There's a pointless sequel set-up. But while you're watching the movie, it's hard not to get caught up in all the fun. Black and company are having a blast here, and it's infectious.
Maybe seperate the good, mixed and negative reviews again so we can see what takes the upper hand (Hopefully the positive of course :-) )?
We will for the main page.
"There are spaceship chases, and crashes. There are shootouts galore. Trucks flip in blasts of fire. The Predator's movements are swift and brutal, and Black revels in the gore. Limbs fly, guts splash, and heads roll. It sounds ghastly, but almost all of the violence is played for laughs."
I was expecting an action comedy but I'd hoped that the humour would fade as the film went on, but doesn't seem that way. Oh well, not gonna take it serious and just go in looking for a fun time!
Really disappointing. It was known since the first screenings last year that this movie was overblown on jokes and stuff but that sentence that the predator is no longer scary and just a punchline now has terminated any hope I had with this. I will see it eventually but i't's sad that the franchise is now so far removed from what made the original such a masterpiece.This will have its fun moments but overall no substance and just joke after joke.The predator franchise has become a parody with Black's film.
the same stupid site that first leaked plot details has given a very negative review. bastards ::)
contains spoilers obviously
http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/ (http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/)
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 07:43:18 AM
the same stupid site that first leaked plot details has given a very negative review. bastards ::)
contains spoilers obviously
http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/ (http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/)
Breaking embargo too, eh? Just couldn't wait to shit on it. Gives them lots of credibility. ;)
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 07, 2018, 07:47:30 AM
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 07:43:18 AM
the same stupid site that first leaked plot details has given a very negative review. bastards ::)
contains spoilers obviously
http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/ (http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/)
Breaking embargo too, eh? Just couldn't wait to shit on it. Gives them lots of credibility. ;)
exactly. zero credibility. adored by the Predator fanbase ::)
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 07:51:59 AM
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 07, 2018, 07:47:30 AM
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 07:43:18 AM
the same stupid site that first leaked plot details has given a very negative review. bastards ::)
contains spoilers obviously
http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/ (http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/)
Breaking embargo too, eh? Just couldn't wait to shit on it. Gives them lots of credibility. ;)
exactly. zero credibility. adored by the Predator fanbase ::)
Or maybe the film is not good at all? I'm a predator fanatic but from what I'm hearing so far Black has made a predator parody and not a true sequel.
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 08:04:08 AM
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 07:51:59 AM
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 07, 2018, 07:47:30 AM
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 07:43:18 AM
the same stupid site that first leaked plot details has given a very negative review. bastards ::)
contains spoilers obviously
http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/ (http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/)
Breaking embargo too, eh? Just couldn't wait to shit on it. Gives them lots of credibility. ;)
exactly. zero credibility. adored by the Predator fanbase ::)
Or maybe the film is not good at all? I'm a predator fanatic but from what I'm hearing so far Black has made a predator parody and not a true sequel.
What you're
hearing is mixed-to-positive reception, my friend. Which is the very same reception that every single Predator film, including the first one, had. Except for maybe 2, that was mixed-to-negative. So far, most people DO like the movie. And yes, every single one of them converge that it has tons of humor, and obviously that's gonna be a major polarizer here because if film is subjective, humor is even MORE subjective. For some people it will work 100%, for others it will work less, for people who didn't want humor at all it's probably not gonna work - unless they keep an open mind. Everybody knew what this was going to be from the start. Shane had said it, countless and countless times. For me, personally, that's what I want, because it's a Shane Black movie, so it better own it. I have 3 other perfectly good movies that I enjoy in this franchise if I want something with less humor - this I want to be hysterical. But hey, that's me. Maybe that's not you, and that's fine. But then again, it's not a problem with the film, it's a problem with what you want from it. You knew what it was going to be. They prepared you for it. So no, I don't believe for a second that the film is "not good at all".
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 08:04:08 AM
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 07:51:59 AM
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 07, 2018, 07:47:30 AM
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 07:43:18 AM
the same stupid site that first leaked plot details has given a very negative review. bastards ::)
contains spoilers obviously
http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/ (http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/)
Breaking embargo too, eh? Just couldn't wait to shit on it. Gives them lots of credibility. ;)
exactly. zero credibility. adored by the Predator fanbase ::)
Or maybe the film is not good at all? I'm a predator fanatic but from what I'm hearing so far Black has made a predator parody and not a true sequel.
perhaps 1 in 10 claim it's a "parody" so it's which you choose to see it as
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 07, 2018, 08:15:21 AM
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 08:04:08 AM
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 07:51:59 AM
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 07, 2018, 07:47:30 AM
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 07:43:18 AM
the same stupid site that first leaked plot details has given a very negative review. bastards ::)
contains spoilers obviously
http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/ (http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/)
Breaking embargo too, eh? Just couldn't wait to shit on it. Gives them lots of credibility. ;)
exactly. zero credibility. adored by the Predator fanbase ::)
Or maybe the film is not good at all? I'm a predator fanatic but from what I'm hearing so far Black has made a predator parody and not a true sequel.
What you're hearing is mixed-to-positive reception, my friend. Which is the very same reception that every single Predator film, including the first one, had. Except for maybe 2, that was mixed-to-negative. So far, most people DO like the movie. And yes, every single one of them converge that it has tons of humor, and obviously that's gonna be a major polarizer here because if film is subjective, humor is even MORE subjective. For some people it will work 100%, for others it will work less, for people who didn't want humor at all it's probably not gonna work - unless they keep an open mind. Everybody knew what this was going to be from the start. Shane had said it, countless and countless times. For me, personally, that's what I want, because it's a Shane Black movie, so it better own it. I have 3 other perfectly good movies that I enjoy in this franchise if I want something with less humor - this I want to be hysterical. But hey, that's me. Maybe that's not you, and that's fine. But then again, it's not a problem with the film, it's a problem with what you want from it. You knew what it was going to be. They prepared you for it. So no, I don't believe for a second that the film is "not good at all".
Well said. :)
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 07, 2018, 08:15:21 AM
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 08:04:08 AM
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 07:51:59 AM
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 07, 2018, 07:47:30 AM
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 07:43:18 AM
the same stupid site that first leaked plot details has given a very negative review. bastards ::)
contains spoilers obviously
http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/ (http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/)
Breaking embargo too, eh? Just couldn't wait to shit on it. Gives them lots of credibility. ;)
exactly. zero credibility. adored by the Predator fanbase ::)
Or maybe the film is not good at all? I'm a predator fanatic but from what I'm hearing so far Black has made a predator parody and not a true sequel.
What you're hearing is mixed-to-positive reception, my friend. Which is the very same reception that every single Predator film, including the first one, had. Except for maybe 2, that was mixed-to-negative. So far, most people DO like the movie. And yes, every single one of them converge that it has tons of humor, and obviously that's gonna be a major polarizer here because if film is subjective, humor is even MORE subjective. For some people it will work 100%, for others it will work less, for people who didn't want humor at all it's probably not gonna work - unless they keep an open mind. Everybody knew what this was going to be from the start. Shane had said it, countless and countless times. For me, personally, that's what I want, because it's a Shane Black movie, so it better own it. I have 3 other perfectly good movies that I enjoy in this franchise if I want something with less humor - this I want to be hysterical. But hey, that's me. Maybe that's not you, and that's fine. But then again, it's not a problem with the film, it's a problem with what you want from it. You knew what it was going to be. They prepared you for it. So no, I don't believe for a second that the film is "not good at all".
I get what you're saying but the predator franchise has always had an overall serious tone, minus some jokes here and there. Most importantly the creatures in the first two movies were scary, hope they didn't forget that instead of trying to get them to be just mindless killing machines. And if the tone here boarders on parody it will not sit well with the first two movies especially when there will be a connection for sure as reports have claimed. Can't imagine a predator parody to reference the original and for us to believe that they are set in the same universe.
https://twitter.com/joblocom/status/1037985900305629185
https://variety.com/2018/film/reviews/the-predator-review-1202931727/ (https://variety.com/2018/film/reviews/the-predator-review-1202931727/)
Variety review - not so positive
JoBlo - 7 / 10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=Tevpmk2k63U
Mr. H's review
https://youtu.be/b0rgQkK6590 (https://youtu.be/b0rgQkK6590)
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 08:43:26 AM
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 07, 2018, 08:15:21 AM
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 08:04:08 AM
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 07:51:59 AM
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 07, 2018, 07:47:30 AM
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 07:43:18 AM
the same stupid site that first leaked plot details has given a very negative review. bastards ::)
contains spoilers obviously
http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/ (http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/)
Breaking embargo too, eh? Just couldn't wait to shit on it. Gives them lots of credibility. ;)
exactly. zero credibility. adored by the Predator fanbase ::)
Or maybe the film is not good at all? I'm a predator fanatic but from what I'm hearing so far Black has made a predator parody and not a true sequel.
What you're hearing is mixed-to-positive reception, my friend. Which is the very same reception that every single Predator film, including the first one, had. Except for maybe 2, that was mixed-to-negative. So far, most people DO like the movie. And yes, every single one of them converge that it has tons of humor, and obviously that's gonna be a major polarizer here because if film is subjective, humor is even MORE subjective. For some people it will work 100%, for others it will work less, for people who didn't want humor at all it's probably not gonna work - unless they keep an open mind. Everybody knew what this was going to be from the start. Shane had said it, countless and countless times. For me, personally, that's what I want, because it's a Shane Black movie, so it better own it. I have 3 other perfectly good movies that I enjoy in this franchise if I want something with less humor - this I want to be hysterical. But hey, that's me. Maybe that's not you, and that's fine. But then again, it's not a problem with the film, it's a problem with what you want from it. You knew what it was going to be. They prepared you for it. So no, I don't believe for a second that the film is "not good at all".
I get what you're saying but the predator franchise has always had an overall serious tone, minus some jokes here and there. Most importantly the creatures in the first two movies were scary, hope they didn't forget that instead of trying to get them to be just mindless killing machines. And if the tone here boarders on parody it will not sit well with the first two movies especially when there will be a connection for sure as reports have claimed. Can't imagine a predator parody to reference the original and for us to believe that they are set in the same universe.
Not entirely true. First of all, you're the one employing the word "parody" here. You don't actually know if that's how you will feel about it just yet.
And movies can very well have different tones throughout a franchise. Take a look at some Marvel films, the Thor ones for example. First one has plenty of humor, but the tone is that of a fantasy film that has its chunks of humor. Now we get to Thor: Ragnarok, that's a comedy. It's admittedly a comedy. Now I don't know if you like Marvel films or not, that's a different discussion, but the general consensus out there - which I happen to agree with - is that Ragnarok, the one who goes all out with the comedic tone, is by far the best out of those films. Meaning for nearly everyone that tone shift worked.
I'm not saying The Predator will be an all-out comedy in the veins of that film, not at all, I don't know that and neither do you. I've only seen the Fugitive vs Upgrade scene of The Predator, and this I know for a fact: in that brief clip that I saw, there wasn't a single joke. What I get from this reception is simply that The Predator is a genre entertainment film that dares to admit it is a genre entertainment film. But, again, I don't know this just yet. Gonna have to wait and see.
Digital Spy - 3/5 Stars
''A fun, flawed return to the Predatorverse.''
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/predator/review/a865504/the-predator-review-shane-black/
GamesRadar+ - 3/5
https://www.gamesradar.com/the-predator-review/?utm_content=buffer00b21&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer_tftw
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 07, 2018, 09:03:48 AM
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 08:43:26 AM
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 07, 2018, 08:15:21 AM
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 08:04:08 AM
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 07:51:59 AM
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 07, 2018, 07:47:30 AM
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 07:43:18 AM
the same stupid site that first leaked plot details has given a very negative review. bastards ::)
contains spoilers obviously
http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/ (http://splashreport.com/tiff-film-review-predator/)
Breaking embargo too, eh? Just couldn't wait to shit on it. Gives them lots of credibility. ;)
exactly. zero credibility. adored by the Predator fanbase ::)
Or maybe the film is not good at all? I'm a predator fanatic but from what I'm hearing so far Black has made a predator parody and not a true sequel.
What you're hearing is mixed-to-positive reception, my friend. Which is the very same reception that every single Predator film, including the first one, had. Except for maybe 2, that was mixed-to-negative. So far, most people DO like the movie. And yes, every single one of them converge that it has tons of humor, and obviously that's gonna be a major polarizer here because if film is subjective, humor is even MORE subjective. For some people it will work 100%, for others it will work less, for people who didn't want humor at all it's probably not gonna work - unless they keep an open mind. Everybody knew what this was going to be from the start. Shane had said it, countless and countless times. For me, personally, that's what I want, because it's a Shane Black movie, so it better own it. I have 3 other perfectly good movies that I enjoy in this franchise if I want something with less humor - this I want to be hysterical. But hey, that's me. Maybe that's not you, and that's fine. But then again, it's not a problem with the film, it's a problem with what you want from it. You knew what it was going to be. They prepared you for it. So no, I don't believe for a second that the film is "not good at all".
I get what you're saying but the predator franchise has always had an overall serious tone, minus some jokes here and there. Most importantly the creatures in the first two movies were scary, hope they didn't forget that instead of trying to get them to be just mindless killing machines. And if the tone here boarders on parody it will not sit well with the first two movies especially when there will be a connection for sure as reports have claimed. Can't imagine a predator parody to reference the original and for us to believe that they are set in the same universe.
Not entirely true. First of all, you're the one employing the word "parody" here. You don't actually know if that's how you will feel about it just yet.
And movies can very well have different tones throughout a franchise. Take a look at some Marvel films, the Thor ones for example. First one has plenty of humor, but the tone is that of a fantasy film that has its chunks of humor. Now we get to Thor: Ragnarok, that's a comedy. It's admittedly a comedy. Now I don't know if you like Marvel films or not, that's a different discussion, but the general consensus out there - which I happen to agree with - is that Ragnarok, the one who goes all out with the comedic tone, is by far the best out of those films. Meaning for nearly everyone that tone shift worked.
I'm not saying The Predator will be an all-out comedy in the veins of that film, not at all, I don't know that and neither do you. I've only seen the Fugitive vs Upgrade scene of The Predator, and this I know for a fact: in that brief clip that I saw, there wasn't a single joke. What I get from this reception is simply that The Predator is a genre entertainment film that dares to admit it is a genre entertainment film. But, again, I don't know this just yet. Gonna have to wait and see.
Yeah but Thor has never been a serious franchise, Predator is a a movie so great people will undoubtedly compare any sequel to. The first Thor was a mediocre at best affair(my opinion of course) so there is no such pressure on any of the sequels. The Predator has to deal with the weight of the first film and stand on ins own. I get that Black loves injecting a heavy dose of humor to all his films ( I like them all pretty much) but I'm not sure the predator franchise is the right one to satire. I want the movie to be good,I love the entire predator mythology, have read all the comics and some novels,played the avp games,predator concrete jungle... Just hope the humor does not take the viewer out of the movie with its absurdity.
THR - Positive
https://t.co/wt5kLAmS39
IGN - 6.5/10
http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/09/07/the-predator-review
It seems to be mixed so far but that is not necessarily a bad thing, as the first film was mixed too, opinions on it may change over time and it might be better, or maybe worse.
I don't like what I have been reading though, I mean Predator has never been as gritty as Alien in tone and realism (at least the first Alien films) but this movie seems way over the top. You even got a kid with autism which is probaly going to automatically mean he can figure out the Predator tech and save the day. Not many people like special snowflakes, Mary-sues and its male equilavent.
I might be pleaseantly surprised by the movie though, I have not seen it but almost everything I heard and read about this movie is made me want to shake my head and sigh.
Just watched joblo's review on youtube and I'm liking what I'm hearing.
First review is up here as well:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_predator
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 09:02:08 AM
Mr. H's review
https://youtu.be/b0rgQkK6590 (https://youtu.be/b0rgQkK6590)
Great breakdown and review as always from Mr H, I trust his judgment and expecting to really enjoy the majority of this. But that ending, dear god. What an absolute lore killer.
Quote from: Marc505 on Sep 07, 2018, 10:32:45 AM
Quote from: von on Sep 07, 2018, 09:02:08 AM
Mr. H's review
https://youtu.be/b0rgQkK6590 (https://youtu.be/b0rgQkK6590)
Great breakdown and review as always from Mr H, I trust his judgment and expecting to really enjoy the majority of this. But that ending, dear god. What an absolute lore killer.
thank you, appreciate the kind words
The only review that I am honestly interested in and give a damn about is Hicks'.
When will it be up Hicks ?
Den of Geek - 1/5QuoteAnd the ending? Well, let's just say at some point we should all get in a pub and talk about it. We might need some drinks.
http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/the-predator/60264/the-predator-review-the-hunt-is-over
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 07, 2018, 10:44:08 AM
The only review that I am honestly interested in and give a damn about is Hicks'.
When will it be up Hicks ?
To be fair, Mr_H and I were on the same track. The ending was one of my 2 big groans. Honestly, I'm working on it now. Trying to write it at work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tevpmk2k63U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tevpmk2k63U)
Ingwar - previous page.
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https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_predator
67%
Average Rating: 6.2/10
Reviews Counted: 6
Fresh: 4
Rotten: 2
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Ingwar - previous page.
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https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_predator
67%
Average Rating: 6.2/10
Reviews Counted: 6
Fresh: 4
Rotten: 2
It will end between 60~70%. Which is good.
Usually, the first reviews are more positive and there is a drop later. 60-70 would be a good score.
So what can be summarized overall is that the film is so so. It is fun and lighthearted, some good performances,nice gore but messy structure and tone, too much comedy bordering on parody and a weak third act. The first two movies remain the best obviously,it was expected to be honest.
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 11:38:09 AM
So what can be summarized overall is that the film is so so. It is fun and lighthearted, some good performances,nice gore but messy structure and tone, too much comedy bordering on parody and a weak third act. The first two movies remain the best obviously,it was expected to be honest.
Maybe you could like...watch it. I dunno, seems like a good way to get a feel for it ya know.
or wait another 8 minutes see if any more positives come in. Maybe 12 minutes if you're feeling super patient.
Quote from: Highland on Sep 07, 2018, 12:25:25 PM
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 11:38:09 AM
So what can be summarized overall is that the film is so so. It is fun and lighthearted, some good performances,nice gore but messy structure and tone, too much comedy bordering on parody and a weak third act. The first two movies remain the best obviously,it was expected to be honest.
Maybe you could like...watch it. I dunno, seems like a good way to get a feel for it ya know.
or wait another 8 minutes see if any more positives come in. Maybe 12 minutes if you're feeling super patient.
Don't worry I will. And how about you minding your business ? Based on the leaked script you can tell the film was going to be mediocre to good at best
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 11:38:09 AM
So what can be summarized overall is that the film is so so. It is fun and lighthearted, some good performances,nice gore but messy structure and tone, too much comedy bordering on parody and a weak third act. The first two movies remain the best obviously,it was expected to be honest.
I love second movie, and It's my personal favorite out of franchise and maybe my personal favorite movie of all time. But I don't think it's quality vise better then "The Predator". Just objectively it's a lower level quality movie. Second movie was torn apart by critics and failed financially. It got some love from fans, but over all it's not so welcomed in the franchise.
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 12:35:01 PM
Quote from: Highland on Sep 07, 2018, 12:25:25 PM
Quote from: predator88 on Sep 07, 2018, 11:38:09 AM
So what can be summarized overall is that the film is so so. It is fun and lighthearted, some good performances,nice gore but messy structure and tone, too much comedy bordering on parody and a weak third act. The first two movies remain the best obviously,it was expected to be honest.
Maybe you could like...watch it. I dunno, seems like a good way to get a feel for it ya know.
or wait another 8 minutes see if any more positives come in. Maybe 12 minutes if you're feeling super patient.
Don't worry I will. And how about you minding your business ? Based on the leaked script you can tell the film was going to be mediocre to good at best
Well I was minding my own business checking out the reviews, but you got 7 posts in here (no reviews) trying to decipher if the movie is bad or good off the first reviews. So it's kinda hard to get past your live review tracker.
Is this ending serious? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Holy crap... :'( :laugh:
https://www.dreadcentral.com/reviews/282260/tiff-2018-the-predator-review-a-disappointing-return-for-the-universes-greatest-hunter/
QuoteShane Black directs the film competently enough but there's so much more that could've happened. To that point, there's also so much less that should've been done.
https://www.scifinow.co.uk/reviews/the-predator-film-review-did-shane-black-deliver-a-worthy-sequel/
Quote"The problem is that it is just all over the place. Black knows how to blend heart and snark, but in trying to be self-consciously silly, badass, sincere and geeky, he's created an overstuffed film that is as rowdy and unmanageable as its heroes, and there are too many jarring missteps and questionable jokes to ever really let even the most generous viewer get too comfortable for very long. The even-messier third act is only fitfully fun and suffers from weak effects moments despite the best efforts of the cast. A second viewing may well do it some favours and there is a good movie in here, but the fact that there's more than one is the biggest problem. Still, we'll say this for it: it's weird as hell."
https://nerdist.com/the-predator-review-shane-black/ (https://nerdist.com/the-predator-review-shane-black/)
Ouch...
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/predator-movies/predator-4/review/
My review is now up. Some minor spoilers.
The only review i need, confirming everything i been saying.
"Alas, within the Black oeuvre, "The Predator" lands more between "The Last Boy Scout" and "Iron Man 3," being a mixture of the flippant-knucklehead-machismo species with frantic comic-book action. Though there's gore and creatures aplenty, say goodbye to any remaining horror element in this series. Now we've got a sort of mashup of Indiana Jones, "Jurassic Park," and a flying-kung-fu movie, no longer scary in the least but hella loud and busy.
For an entry that can't take itself seriously for a minute (excluding the inevitable mawkish half-minute of affirming "it's about family"), this one doesn't actually seem to have a humorous angle on its source material. Like everything else here, it tosses out its dumb yucks and rare good Iines with pummeling haste audiences don't have time to groan before the next explosion or stunt fall or CGI effect usurps their place. It's an exhaustingly energetic mess in which a coherent plot and credible characters aren't even on the cluttered menu. When general audiences queue up for the onslaught (the film opens a week after its Toronto Film Festival premiere), they may well resent being so crassly pandered to. Then again, they may lap it up."
Another positive review is in at RT:
https://theplaylist.net/shane-black-predator-review-20180907/
Score: B+
71% on RT now.
So it's shit and it somehow got even worse than the draft that leaked?
Spoiler
Predator Iron Man Suit? With Dreadlocks? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
So i'm thinking the ending changes the nature of the predator itself ? Mmm... If i'm right, we're in for some weird experience...
Quote from: Hollywood on Sep 07, 2018, 02:10:49 PM
Another positive review is in at RT:
https://theplaylist.net/shane-black-predator-review-20180907/
Score: B+
71% on RT now.
Ohhh shit that's good, that's rotten tomatoes went up
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 07, 2018, 02:18:23 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on Sep 07, 2018, 02:10:49 PM
Another positive review is in at RT:
https://theplaylist.net/shane-black-predator-review-20180907/
Score: B+
71% on RT now.
Ohhh shit that's good, that's rotten tomatoes went up
6 to 2 right now. 75%. Not that it is saying much at this point.
Can't wait for NECA's
Spoiler
Iron Man suit figure. :laugh:
The movie will be fine as long as it gets that certified fresh rating on RT.
Alas, within the Black oeuvre, "The Predator" lands more between "The Last Boy Scout" and "Iron Man 3," being a mixture of the flippant-knucklehead-machismo species with frantic comic-book action. Though there's gore and creatures aplenty, say goodbye to any remaining horror element in this series. Now we've got a sort of mashup of Indiana Jones, "Jurassic Park," and a flying-kung-fu movie, no longer scary in the least but hella loud and busy.
For an entry that can't take itself seriously for a minute (excluding the inevitable mawkish half-minute of affirming "it's about family"), this one doesn't actually seem to have a humorous angle on its source material. Like everything else here, it tosses out its dumb yucks and rare good Iines with pummeling haste audiences don't have time to groan before the next explosion or stunt fall or CGI effect usurps their place. It's an exhaustingly energetic mess in which a coherent plot and credible characters aren't even on the cluttered menu. When general audiences queue up for the onslaught (the film opens a week after its Toronto Film Festival premiere), they may well resent being so crassly pandered to. Then again, they may lap it up.
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 07, 2018, 02:18:23 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on Sep 07, 2018, 02:10:49 PM
Another positive review is in at RT:
https://theplaylist.net/shane-black-predator-review-20180907/
Score: B+
71% on RT now.
Ohhh shit that's good, that's rotten tomatoes went up
Hopefully it stays high!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180907/808fa35ca600946ad4965da90ffed875.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180907/ae2dc4c29c04688d1aaf23001fcaa506.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180907/76c5c25c980061fd712a29a6012c4239.jpg)
Rotten tomatoes can't be taken seriously... comprimised as hell.
Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 07, 2018, 04:13:26 PM
Rotten tomatoes can't be taken seriously... comprimised as hell.
What can be taken seriously? No sarcasm ;)
From Slash Film Review ...
- Shane Black's The Predator takes the Predator franchise and turns into a full-blown comedy.
- While there have been a handful of amusing moments in the Predator franchise as a whole, no single film goes for as many wall-to-wall jokes as Shane Black's The Predator.
- The Predator is loaded with jokes. In fact, there might be too many jokes. In some respects, The Predator is like the Thor: Ragnarok of the franchise – the film that takes what came before and turns it all into a pretty funny gag.
**Ugh ... Thor Ragnorok sucked too. And was tonally / character inconsistent with how the protagonist was portrayed in the 4 films that preceded it.**
- It sounds ghastly, but almost all of the violence is played for laughs. The Predator is no longer a scary unstoppable force. It's a punchline.
All this not to mention, I've heard that something happens in the climax and finale act that significantly alters the mythology, and perception of the character of the predator in general.
This all has me bummed. The Marvelification / Deadpool spin to now a Sci-Fi Horror / Gore franchise. Like really?! Do we really need the homogenization of everything to be the exact same now?
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 07, 2018, 04:18:32 PM
Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 07, 2018, 04:13:26 PM
Rotten tomatoes can't be taken seriously... comprimised as hell.
What can be taken seriously? No sarcasm ;)
I guess our own personal opinion of the movie, there will never be a better Predator movie in my mind than the original, but i also love Predator 2 and don't see why it was so criticized. I know we all would have love Dutch to be back, but Harrigan was good and fit well in the time it was released
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Sep 07, 2018, 04:28:09 PM
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 07, 2018, 04:18:32 PM
Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 07, 2018, 04:13:26 PM
Rotten tomatoes can't be taken seriously... comprimised as hell.
What can be taken seriously? No sarcasm ;)
I guess our own personal opinion of the movie, there will never be a better Predator movie in my mind than the original, but i also love Predator 2 and don't see why it was so criticized. I know we all would have love Dutch to be back, but Harrigan was good and fit well in the time it was released
I agree with everything! Predator 2 is my all time favorite ;) But I was talking about subject of reviews. We do listen to other people's opinion, it's normal thing, and usually we do listen to people's opinion about the subject they know, it's why we have critiques and reviewers. yehh sometimes they are wrong, sometimes we just not agree with them, but we still interested in what they are saying. So I was wondering what Xan21 count as a serious source for movie reviews ;)
Quote from: TheLoneRanger on Sep 07, 2018, 04:27:25 PM
- The Predator is loaded with jokes. In fact, there might be too many jokes. In some respects, The Predator is like the Thor: Ragnarok of the franchise – the film that takes what came before and turns it all into a pretty funny gag.
**Ugh ... Thor Ragnorok sucked too. And was tonally / character inconsistent with how the protagonist was portrayed in the 4 films that preceded it.**
- It sounds ghastly, but almost all of the violence is played for laughs. The Predator is no longer a scary unstoppable force. It's a punchline.
All this not to mention, I've heard that something happens in the climax and finale act that significantly alters the mythology, and perception of the character of the predator in general.
This all has me bummed. The Marvelification / Deadpool spin to now a Sci-Fi Horror / Gore franchise. Like really?! Do we really need the homogenization of everything to be the exact same now?
I know Thor Ragnarok was well-received, but I didn't like it - too many crammed-in jokes, not enough time for the few serious moments to land without yet another one-liner - and I strongly dislike Deadpool, and my fears about the same happening to The Predator are apparently turning out to be true. Obviously humor is subjective and lots of people enjoy that style, but I don't know if that level of constant joking suits a Predator movie. But I could take a hundred dumb jokes if they didn't screw with the lore the way they did...!
Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 07, 2018, 04:13:26 PM
Rotten tomatoes can't be taken seriously... comprimised as hell.
It's simply a collection of everyone's review and a percentage of critics who recommend the film. It's worth taking into account but some people think a movie that is at 50% means it's a terrible movie when really it means 50% of critics recommend it.
Thor Ragnarok is one of the best superhero films ever made, so no- you're wrong "The Lone Ranger" on that.
So for reals.... there's
Spoiler
a Predator full body combat suit similar to Iron Man with dreads? That's what the Fugitive and Assassin are fighting about?
Quote from: Hollywood on Sep 07, 2018, 04:46:15 PM
Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 07, 2018, 04:13:26 PM
Rotten tomatoes can't be taken seriously... comprimised as hell.
It's simply a collection of everyone's review and a percentage of critics who recommend the film. It's worth taking into account but some people think a movie that is at 50% means it's a terrible movie when really it means 50% of critics recommend it.
No it isn't whatsoever, it's been proven they've shown bias in how scores from reviewers are translated to the percentage on the rotten or fresh meter.
Anything Disney related or Marvel Studios related, or SJW related no matter how piss poor or average at best of a film, see black panther or last jedi, gets the huge pass. And usually get asinine score rankings greater than the some of cinemas instant classic's LOL
You got to be kidding me?
Exactly
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 07, 2018, 04:50:38 PM
Thor Ragnarok is one of the best superhero films ever made, so no- you're wrong "The Lone Ranger" on that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYF-3pXDF0g
No. That movie is hot f**king garbage. It doesn't take itselr seriously, because then it would then be held to higher standards.
Like most of the Marvel Studios films.
They rely on tension deflating jokes, at all times, which undercuts any sense of drama or tension. This was even an issue in a much superior film (thanks to RDJ) with Infinity War.
The jokes on occasion work on first viewing, they didn't for the vast majority of Thor 3 but the over abundance of humor make repeat viewings boring and unwatchable. When you aim to be the clown, you're not held to any standards.
It's much more difficult to take material such as Thor and treat it seriously, and get an audience to treat it seriously or invest thoroughly.
See what Christopher Nolan did for Batman, and what Zack Snyder at least had the balls to try to do with Superman.
Thor Ragnorak is shit. And thankfully all it's fluff and pointlessness is thoroughly destroyed in the very next entries opening scene in Infinity War.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 07, 2018, 04:50:38 PM
Thor Ragnarok is one of the best superhero films ever made, so no- you're wrong "The Lone Ranger" on that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYF-3pXDF0g
Still need to see this one. I was passing a room where it was being watched a few weeks ago and all I managed to hear was someone talking about a giant anus. Giggles, but I do hope they wrap the marvel universe up soon. Preferably on a serious note like Logan. I'd like to hear and see them as real people for once. Dealing with age, death, and going their separate ways. An end to heroes, as it were.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Sep 07, 2018, 05:15:29 PM
So for reals.... there's
Spoiler
a Predator full body combat suit similar to Iron Man with dreads? That's what the Fugitive and Assassin are fighting about?
Yep.
Spoiler
They're going to invade us. Lucky for us we have this great new tech. It's Independence Day Resurgence all over again.
Wow. "The Lone Ranger"
That's a lot of swearing,
must really make you angry that it's so good.
Nah, RT is generally a good tool in determining whether a film is accepted or not. Simple as that.
I just want The Predator to be Certified Fresh because I'm sick and tired of having to defend popularly hated movies. Won't determine if it's good or not, what will determine that for me it's my own experiences, and scores and reviews have no influence there. But I just want a Predator movie to be commonly well-received.
RT don't mean anything as long as you enjoy the movie. Certified Fresh or not it doesn't matter.
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 07, 2018, 05:41:31 PM
I just want The Predator to be Certified Fresh because I'm sick and tired of having to defend popularly hated movies. Won't determine if it's good or not, what will determine that for me it's my own experiences, and scores and reviews have no influence there. But I just want a Predator movie to be commonly well-received.
I hear ya, buddy - but if there's anything you can rest easy about it's the fact that people aren't unanimously trashing it as reviews seem to be mixed. Just a matter of whether you're able to roll with it, which is more than what can be said about this weekend's The Nun, which is a bummer because me and my friends were all excited to see that tonight haha but that ultimately helps The Predators box office prospects since word of mouth on The Nun isn't too hot and likely wont carry over to next weekend.
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 07, 2018, 05:41:31 PM
I just want The Predator to be Certified Fresh because I'm sick and tired of having to defend popularly hated movies. Won't determine if it's good or not, what will determine that for me it's my own experiences, and scores and reviews have no influence there. But I just want a Predator movie to be commonly well-received.
I've never heard a bad word said about the original. As far as I know people seem to respect it, and it seems generally well received. So there you go. Now, as for this latest film, critics and reviewers will compliment the actor's chemistry and the music, but everything else will get slammed...hard. But don't worry what other people think about the movies you like. If it works for you, that's all that matters.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 07, 2018, 05:32:03 PM
Wow. "The Lone Ranger"
That's a lot of swearing,
must really make you angry that it's so good.
No I just like swearing. I know all the Thor movies and even most of the MCU movies are hot trash. Cinematic equivalent to McDonalds honestly.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 07, 2018, 06:01:32 PM
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 07, 2018, 05:41:31 PM
I just want The Predator to be Certified Fresh because I'm sick and tired of having to defend popularly hated movies. Won't determine if it's good or not, what will determine that for me it's my own experiences, and scores and reviews have no influence there. But I just want a Predator movie to be commonly well-received.
I've never heard a bad word said about the original. As far as I know people seem to respect it, and it seems generally well received. So there you go. Now, as for this latest film, critics and reviewers will compliment the actor's chemistry and the music, but everything else will get slammed...hard. But don't worry what other people think about the movies you like. If it works for you, that's all that matters.
Oh yeah I wasn't counting the original on that. Was thinking more of Predator 2 and Predators. And many other films that get trashed and I end up loving them.
Quote from: TheLoneRanger on Sep 07, 2018, 06:05:09 PM
Cinematic equivalent to McDonalds honestly.
Now that's a new one.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 07, 2018, 06:23:28 PM
Quote from: TheLoneRanger on Sep 07, 2018, 06:05:09 PM
Cinematic equivalent to McDonalds honestly.
Now that's a new one.
That's kind of how I see the MCU. And it's affected the Jurassic Park and Terminator films and now The Predator films apparently. Big CG Pred and THAT ending in mind.
It always amuses me when I read people dictating to others what is good and what is not.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 07, 2018, 06:23:28 PM
Quote from: TheLoneRanger on Sep 07, 2018, 06:05:09 PM
Cinematic equivalent to McDonalds honestly.
Now that's a new one.
I'm a Wendy's man myself. Guess that makes me a deadpool fan?
Well about the
Spoiler
Predator Iron Man suit, that isn't really what I wanted for a full armor Predator. I guess I must have rubbed the monkey's paw in my sleep or something. I only ever wanted armor like the Fugitive Predator, but with just a tad more coverage. Whatever, I hope it atleast looks cool, does it?
Also, why does the Fugitive Predator bring it to help humanity, if he's killing everyone? His body count looks to be pretty high.
Another thing, why didn't the Fugitive Predator just equip this armor before he even got to Earth so he could kill the Assassin Predator? Is it just for humans for something?
This is what gets me...if he's trying to help out mankind whys he attacking? One way to explain is that hes just reacting to the situation but a species so advanced they'd surely have a means to communicate
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 07, 2018, 01:47:20 PM
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/predator-movies/predator-4/review/
My review is now up. Some minor spoilers.
How spoilery this review is? It describes whole sequences or just suggest things?
Bloody Disgusting - 3.5/5
https://bloody-disgusting.com/reviews/3520486/review-shane-blacks-predator-leans-hard-r-rating-fun-clunky-time/
Quote from: Tetsujin on Sep 07, 2018, 07:36:46 PM
Bloody Disgusting - 4.5/5
https://bloody-disgusting.com/reviews/3520486/review-shane-blacks-predator-leans-hard-r-rating-fun-clunky-time/
Oh yeah baby
Quote from: Tetsujin on Sep 07, 2018, 07:36:46 PM
Bloody Disgusting - 4.5/5
https://bloody-disgusting.com/reviews/3520486/review-shane-blacks-predator-leans-hard-r-rating-fun-clunky-time/
3.5
3.5 actually
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Sorry
"MAJOR" not "minor" spoilers. But a joy to read none the less. Wish I wouldn't have read the end of it. But Hicks, you are a fine wordsmith and grappled my attention. Great review.
So what do you Predboys reckon? Is this new film the bee's knees or is it a bit rubbish?
I'm jealous. They get this. We get shit like Prometheus and Covenant :-
I knew this film would be shit, promoted as "From the director of Iron Man 3" was enough of a warning.
Would it have been awesome if it was from the director of Chappie?
Quote from: TheLoneRanger on Sep 07, 2018, 05:23:23 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 07, 2018, 04:50:38 PM
Thor Ragnarok is one of the best superhero films ever made, so no- you're wrong "The Lone Ranger" on that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYF-3pXDF0g
No. That movie is hot f**king garbage. It doesn't take itselr seriously, because then it would then be held to higher standards.
Like most of the Marvel Studios films.
They rely on tension deflating jokes, at all times, which undercuts any sense of drama or tension. This was even an issue in a much superior film (thanks to RDJ) with Infinity War.
The jokes on occasion work on first viewing, they didn't for the vast majority of Thor 3 but the over abundance of humor make repeat viewings boring and unwatchable. When you aim to be the clown, you're not held to any standards.
It's much more difficult to take material such as Thor and treat it seriously, and get an audience to treat it seriously or invest thoroughly.
See what Christopher Nolan did for Batman, and what Zack Snyder at least had the balls to try to do with Superman.
Thor Ragnorak is shit. And thankfully all it's fluff and pointlessness is thoroughly destroyed in the very next entries opening scene in Infinity War.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/FvThrQcwch9vy/giphy.gif)
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Sep 07, 2018, 08:58:47 PM
Would it have been awesome if it was from the director of Chappie?
That was... a lousy thing to do.
;D
What was a lousy thing to do?
Apart from terrible base opinions I've seen recently.
Movie might be good and reviewers and gen audience might enjoy it but from what I am hearing about ending that changes the established lore and mythology which as a fan bothers me the most
That's a weird thing for the factions to be fighting over.
Spoiler
Hope the suit does more than just punches stuff. Because we humans generally use ranged weapons to defeat our foes, on account of not being unnecessarily suicidal. If this is 'Pacific Rim' levels of impractical silliness, I shall be cringing relentlessly.
Off topic but Thor 1 was pretty good movie. Kenneth Branagah infused lot of Shakespearan thing into the movie, thanks to him Loki turned into a memorable villain. Now Thor 2 was lousy. Then Thor Ragnajoke happened.
What bothers me how MCU/Disney fans just eat it up and call it greatest thing ever. Now lot of more typical Marvel comedy with 80s theme for no reason. Managed to ruin both Ragnarok and Planet Hulk storyline. Warrior Three killed off in opening, Odin died for no reason, Surtur turned into a jobber, Dr Strange had no reason to be in movie and so many ridiculous things but hey Thor cracks lot more jokes now and Led Zeppelin song is there so Thor is now "finally great" character.
Well, no one else seems to be complaining about the ending, so I'm eager to see what it is. I never care about criticisms that come exclusively from fans - or criticism that comes only from one particular niche of people that didn't like that thing. I actually loooove movies that please the audiences, but piss off hardcore fans, hence Iron Man 3 and The Last Jedi. Can't wait to check it out for myself. ;)
General audiences who have been beated to death with cheap marvel movies will accept this ending... but sadly it doesn't fit at all in the Predator movies.
Campea's report on the reviews. Not his actually review yet, just talking about the reception.
John Campea? Don't listen to that shill. This guy masturbated over The Last Jedi.
Quote from: Danversity on Sep 07, 2018, 10:35:18 PM
Well, no one else seems to be complaining about the ending, so I'm eager to see what it is. I never care about criticisms that come exclusively from fans - or criticism that comes only from one particular niche of people that didn't like that thing. I actually loooove movies that please the audiences, but piss off hardcore fans, hence Iron Man 3 and The Last Jedi. Can't wait to check it out for myself. ;)
Ah, I forgot that fans don't make up much of the audience for a 30 year old "R" rated franchise. Surely all those families and 13 year olds going to see these movies for the first time must overwhelm the...oh, right. ;)
And what does constitute a hardcore fan anyway?
The Last Jedi was trash, this is coming from someone with Laura as an avatar- so my opinion has nothing to do with what the general audience thought.
I have no interest in understanding sheep, only eating them.
TLJ pleased the audiences as much as episode 1. Pissing off fans isn't a smart marketing strategy in the long run, as they are the ones who buy the merchandising and all the side stuff. The general audience only buys the ticket for the movie.
And the things that the fans like are normally what makes a franchise even have fans in the first place, you take that out and even the average viewer will lose the interest in a series. Solo showed that.
For short: listen to the fans or don't complain about losing money. Even Ridley Scoot decided to bring the aliens back on Covenant after people complained about Prometheus not having them, but we kind of shooted ourselves in the foot with that one.
Quote from: TheLoneRanger on Sep 07, 2018, 05:23:23 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 07, 2018, 04:50:38 PM
Thor Ragnarok is one of the best superhero films ever made, so no- you're wrong "The Lone Ranger" on that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYF-3pXDF0g
No. That movie is hot f**king garbage. It doesn't take itselr seriously, because then it would then be held to higher standards.
Like most of the Marvel Studios films.
They rely on tension deflating jokes, at all times, which undercuts any sense of drama or tension. This was even an issue in a much superior film (thanks to RDJ) with Infinity War.
The jokes on occasion work on first viewing, they didn't for the vast majority of Thor 3 but the over abundance of humor make repeat viewings boring and unwatchable. When you aim to be the clown, you're not held to any standards.
It's much more difficult to take material such as Thor and treat it seriously, and get an audience to treat it seriously or invest thoroughly.
See what Christopher Nolan did for Batman, and what Zack Snyder at least had the balls to try to do with Superman.
Thor Ragnorak is shit. And thankfully all it's fluff and pointlessness is thoroughly destroyed in the very next entries opening scene in Infinity War.
Hello, Marvel/DC fan here, Thor Ragnarok is the worst mcu movie, and one of the worst superhero movies. It also is the best example of everything that disney does wrong with Marvel.
The movie is totally unrelated to Marvel, Thor, or the actual Ragnarok and it has Thor, Loki, Odin, Hulk, and Hela acting 100% out of character, the Doctor Strange scene was embarrasing, and i could make a long list of flaws and reason why the movie is bad but i dont wanna make a wall of text. And the director is a really vain person who thinks of himself as a comedy mastermind and i dislike that much ego in a person.
It says a lot that Infinity War discarded pretty much everything from it as soon as it could, it was almost like the studio making an apology for that movie.
The argument could be made that is a well made movie in the technical aspects and is entertainning, but that is all becuse it falls at everything else, specially the God awful script.
The mcu is not very consistent in quality either, we got bad movies like Age of Ultron, Ant-Man, Ant-Man & The Wasp, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 1 and 2 (part two actually would have been good if it was more serious), Iron Man 3, etcetera, problem is that disney -and audiences, but i blame disney for that- think that all superhero movies should be parodies of themselves, not taken seriously, and be as humorous as they can.
Not only that, but they use humor to kill tension and serious moment, even in Infinity War which is by far the best mcu movie and it still pretty flawed by stuff that could be fixed easily since they were writing the script. They are focusing on making light humorous movies for the whole family to consume and then forget the minute they come out of the theater instead of making actual good movies, and DC has started to do the same.
And the fanbase is pretty toxic too, which i find very ironic and funny because if they were comic book fans and not just superhero movies fans would know that they are not as good as they think, not even as standalone movies, stuff like the mcu reddit board or superherohype forum is just iugh.
Quote from: Beatnation on Sep 07, 2018, 08:55:17 PM
I knew this film would be shit, promoted as "From the director of Iron Man 3" was enough of a warning.
The guy who did not understood Iron Man, did not understood the Predator? What a twist!
All the mixed reviews and comments about the "Humorous" tone and Hicks review make me feel like i was right all along, which sucks. We got a movie that was butchered countless times to please everybody and ended up pleasing nobody, and it has not much to do with the Predator saga but with modern blockbusters. A shame, i was warming up to the idea of seeing in theaters since God know what disney is gonna destroy next.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 07, 2018, 11:06:06 PM
TLJ pleased the audiences as much as episode 1. Pissing off fans isn't a smart marketing strategy in the long run, as they are the ones who buy the merchandising and all the side stuff. The general audience only buys the ticket for the movie.
Spoiler
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Holy shit Shane Black literally turned it into an Iron Man movie LMAO what crap.
This garbage is completely indefensible. I'll be happy when this movie flops, at least then the hacks who made this awful film wont be able to go forward with their retarded "invasion of the Predators" idea.
Let's not turn this thread into a TLJ debate thread please.
It's a shame the movie hasn't got more positive reviews. However there has been enough positive comments about the movie that are still keeping me excited and my tickets are already purchased so I will be there opening night no matter what. Can't make an informed argument against this movie until I see it though.
Indeed, well said.
I find weird that there is not the usual ass kissing Black gets in all of his movies, that means that something really bad must be up in the movie.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 07, 2018, 11:41:42 PM
Indeed, well said.
I've been pretty positive on the film leading up to the release and have tried my best to defend it against everyone who has been shitting on it like they've already seen it, but after next week every opinion is valid once they've seen it! The "You haven't even seen it yet" excuse flies right out the window :D
Quote from: D88M on Sep 07, 2018, 11:43:15 PM
I find weird that there is not the usual ass kissing Black gets in all of his movies, that means that something really bad must be up in the movie.
Plenty of people have said that for a Shane Black film it's very disappointing. I've heard more positive things on the humour but I think the film suffers mainly from reshoots from what reviews are saying.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 07, 2018, 11:41:42 PM
Indeed, well said.
I'll second that.
Well on one hand, I will say that I'm definitely looking forward to Big Chad doing his thing. Now that I know he's hunting down
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truly sympathetic predators, I fully support his efforts to maintain the franchise tradition of hostile human/predator relationships.
I liked alien covenant. :-X Mainly because I didn't mind them trading the alien mystery to make david the new puppet master (and by extension, humans - which has kind of always been the case in alien movies).
I really can't decide what to expect from this film based on what people are saying. I'm liking the fanbase controversy right now though. ;D Makes me want to see this film even more!!
We have to remember Shane Black 100% wanted this film not to be just another episode but an actual worthy addition to the franchise. He had to do something with a bit of weight to it rather then just a predator running around killing people until it's dead.
@Huggs
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I will say it's quite interesting to turn that dynamic on it's head, we all anticipated the Upgrade would be the one breaking the rules of conduct, Predators and Prey we know from the previous films.
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 07, 2018, 11:39:10 PM
Let's not turn this thread into a TLJ debate thread please.
It's a shame the movie hasn't got more positive reviews. However there has been enough positive comments about the movie that are still keeping me excited and my tickets are already purchased so I will be there opening night no matter what. Can't make an informed argument against this movie until I see it though.
Oh, sorry for the off-topic entry. However, and if this serves you, I've never posted negative shit about this film before. I'm looking forward to seeing "The Predator" actually ;D
Just had a thought. That black fugitive predator figure, the kiddy version of the toy, cant remember the name now but with the small heads and cute looking ? I wonder if thats the armour at the end
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Quote from: MudButt on Sep 07, 2018, 11:39:10 PM
Let's not turn this thread into a TLJ debate thread please.
It's a shame the movie hasn't got more positive reviews. However there has been enough positive comments about the movie that are still keeping me excited and my tickets are already purchased so I will be there opening night no matter what. Can't make an informed argument against this movie until I see it though.
Oh, sorry for the off-topic entry. However, and if this serves you, I've never posted negative shit about this film before. I'm looking forward to seeing "The Predator" actually ;D
Wasn't directing that at anyone in particular, just would rather we all keep TLJ talk in the Star Wars thread.
And I've had no issue with people being skeptical about the movie (not that i'm saying you said I did) but it was the people who flat out said the movie was garbage months before seeing footage or eventually seeing the film.
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Wasn't directing that at anyone in particular
Ok :)
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Quote from: MudButt on Sep 08, 2018, 12:53:32 AM
And I've had no issue with people being skeptical about the movie (not that i'm saying you said I did) but it was the people who flat out said the movie was garbage months before seeing footage or eventually seeing the film.
Yeah, it's depressing, and even toxic sometimes.
https://www.indiewire.com/2018/09/the-predator-review-2018-tiff-1202001424/amp/
Another great review summing up the movie for what it truly is. Another missed opportunity
bbrokentusk420 haven't seen the movie and already latched on all the negative reviews (forgetting the fact that rottentomatoes still show an overall postive rating for the movie). How typical of these haters.
Quote from: blood. on Sep 07, 2018, 11:49:43 PMI liked alien covenant. :-X Mainly because I didn't mind them trading the alien mystery to make david the new puppet master (and by extension, humans - which has kind of always been the case in alien movies).
I really can't decide what to expect from this film based on what people are saying. I'm liking the fanbase controversy right now though. ;D Makes me want to see this film even more!!
We have to remember Shane Black 100% wanted this film not to be just another episode but an actual worthy addition to the franchise. He had to do something with a bit of weight to it rather then just a predator running around killing people until it's dead.
Yea but I'm utterly curious to whether or not the controversy rises to Ridley Scott's "that thing in the chair is a suit" level of canon-f**kery. Just gotta hold out another week but it is sooooo damn tempting to find out. Much like acceptance over David being the monsters father... there is a lot that I'm willing to put up with inside of Predator lore. Like using our dna to make the perfect cupcakes but just how twisted up is it. :P
Quote from: Ingwar on Sep 07, 2018, 10:47:16 PM
John Campea? Don't listen to that shill. This guy masturbated over The Last Jedi.
I actually love The Last Jedi. It's easily my favorite Star Wars movie. And I would listen to Campea even if he had hated it because at least he understands that film is subjective and encourages people to stand by their own opinion instead of trying to trying to shove his own down my throat as some kind of irrefutable truth - which, in cinema, doesn't exist -, contrary to
some people around here. ;)
And if we live by the philosophy "don't listen to
that person, he loved/hated
that movie!" you're never gonna be able to talk about movies to anyone ever, because I guarantee you that every single person in the world is gonna have at least one opinion that you deem to be some kind of geek blasphemy.
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Yea but I'm utterly curious to whether or not the controversy rises to Ridley Scott's "that thing in the chair is a suit" level of canon-f**kery.
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Quote from: blood. on Sep 07, 2018, 11:49:43 PMI liked alien covenant. :-X Mainly because I didn't mind them trading the alien mystery to make david the new puppet master (and by extension, humans - which has kind of always been the case in alien movies).
I really can't decide what to expect from this film based on what people are saying. I'm liking the fanbase controversy right now though. ;D Makes me want to see this film even more!!
We have to remember Shane Black 100% wanted this film not to be just another episode but an actual worthy addition to the franchise. He had to do something with a bit of weight to it rather then just a predator running around killing people until it's dead.
Yea but I'm utterly curious to whether or not the controversy rises to Ridley Scott's "that thing in the chair is a suit" level of canon-f**kery. Just gotta hold out another week but it is sooooo damn tempting to find out. Much like acceptance over David being the monsters father... there is a lot that I'm willing to put up with inside of Predator lore. Like using our dna to make the perfect cupcakes but just how twisted up is it. :P
man the amount of spoiler tags I've been tempted to open is excruciating. It's painful having to wait another week!
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Quote from: blood. on Sep 07, 2018, 11:49:43 PMI liked alien covenant. :-X Mainly because I didn't mind them trading the alien mystery to make david the new puppet master (and by extension, humans - which has kind of always been the case in alien movies).
I really can't decide what to expect from this film based on what people are saying. I'm liking the fanbase controversy right now though. ;D Makes me want to see this film even more!!
We have to remember Shane Black 100% wanted this film not to be just another episode but an actual worthy addition to the franchise. He had to do something with a bit of weight to it rather then just a predator running around killing people until it's dead.
Yea but I'm utterly curious to whether or not the controversy rises to Ridley Scott's "that thing in the chair is a suit" level of canon-f**kery. Just gotta hold out another week but it is sooooo damn tempting to find out. Much like acceptance over David being the monsters father... there is a lot that I'm willing to put up with inside of Predator lore. Like using our dna to make the perfect cupcakes but just how twisted up is it. :P
Unless they reveal that the Preds are a race of Jason Statham-like-creatures dressed as crab-like-monsters, I don't think so :P
Actually Roger Ebert website gives scores with maximum rating of 4 not 5.
How can anyone not like colossus predator. Man, the way he armored plated himself was bone chilling.
Quote from: Salt The Fries on Sep 08, 2018, 07:07:17 AM
Actually Roger Ebert website gives scores with maximum rating of 4 not 5.
Yeah, so far Tallerico's review's been the best I've read - not in the sense of being the highest one (though I think it was that too), but for how he wrote it and analyzed it.
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SPOILER:
The ending:
Why would they invade us? Have we become a threat too much, technologically?
It's the Evil-aliens-want-to-enslave/eradicate-us thing again? It feels overdone. :-
Quote from: blood. on Sep 08, 2018, 06:32:20 AM
man the amount of spoiler tags I've been tempted to open is excruciating. It's painful having to wait another week!
I feel the same way my friend! It's so dificult! :-[
Quote from: Insulin on Sep 08, 2018, 07:52:30 AM
How can anyone not like colossus predator. Man, the way he armored plated himself was bone chilling.
Because it is more something for a cartoon/ transformers movie or something.
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Quote from: Insulin on Sep 08, 2018, 07:52:30 AM
How can anyone not like colossus predator. Man, the way he armored plated himself was bone chilling.
Because it is more something for a cartoon/ transformers movie or something.
Yes, the "bigger and better" route feels sort of generic and shallow to me. Personally, I always felt that what was both scary and interesting about the predators was their cunning, intelligence, skill, ambiguous code of conduct, and swift and brutal efficiency, rather than how big they were or what snazzy gimmicks and gadgets they had.
Quote from: Cheetah on Sep 08, 2018, 03:49:08 AM
bbrokentusk420 haven't seen the movie and already latched on all the negative reviews (forgetting the fact that rottentomatoes still show an overall postive rating for the movie). How typical of these haters.
::)Rotten Tomatoes is a joke. Anyone who still takes their ratings serious is naive. This review is as objective and they come. The movie is a steaming pile, and there is nothing to see. It's not just haters. It's a big pandering mess, with zero direction.
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Quote from: Cheetah on Sep 08, 2018, 03:49:08 AM
bbrokentusk420 haven't seen the movie and already latched on all the negative reviews (forgetting the fact that rottentomatoes still show an overall postive rating for the movie). How typical of these haters.
::)Rotten Tomatoes is a joke. Anyone who still takes their ratings serious is naive. This review is as objective and they come. The movie is a steaming pile, and there is nothing to see. It's not just haters. It's a big pandering mess, with zero direction.
So you did see it. Superpowers probably :laugh:
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Quote from: Cheetah on Sep 08, 2018, 03:49:08 AM
bbrokentusk420 haven't seen the movie and already latched on all the negative reviews (forgetting the fact that rottentomatoes still show an overall postive rating for the movie). How typical of these haters.
::)Rotten Tomatoes is a joke. Anyone who still takes their ratings serious is naive. This review is as objective and they come. The movie is a steaming pile, and there is nothing to see. It's not just haters. It's a big pandering mess, with zero direction.
So you did see it. Superpowers probably :laugh:
So BigDaddyJohn I guess you kind of have an idea about the ending, is it so terible that it would be yours lowest entery in the Predator franchise? Of course you didn't see the movie yet, but what is your idea? No spoilers please ;)
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https://film.avclub.com/1989-called-and-it-wants-its-predator-sequel-back-1828909639
B-
I'm really struggling with how conflicted I feel about this film. I just read that AV Club review and I'm just thinking back on how f**king enjoyable the film actually was! But then how frustrated I get after the fact when I try to think about the plot. But I just want to go watch it again because of what a blast it was.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 08, 2018, 09:33:36 PM
I'm really struggling with how conflicted I feel about this film. I just read that AV Club review and I'm just thinking back on how f**king enjoyable the film actually was! But then how frustrated I get after the fact when I try to think about the plot. But I just want to go watch it again because of what a blast it was.
Do you think you might end up liking it more in the future?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 08, 2018, 09:33:36 PM
I'm really struggling with how conflicted I feel about this film. I just read that AV Club review and I'm just thinking back on how f**king enjoyable the film actually was! But then how frustrated I get after the fact when I try to think about the plot. But I just want to go watch it again because of what a blast it was.
Sad, thats it's so controversial for our community. :( So would you call this movie your guilty pleasure? ;)
It's definitely reviewing better than I thought it would and while clearly not perfect, it seems like it will be worth a watch.
I agree. And hopefully some course correction can be applied to a follow-up if the critical reception is taken into account. I say that but haven't read (nor do I want to know) the spoilers or ending details yet.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 08, 2018, 09:33:36 PM
I'm really struggling with how conflicted I feel about this film. I just read that AV Club review and I'm just thinking back on how f**king enjoyable the film actually was! But then how frustrated I get after the fact when I try to think about the plot. But I just want to go watch it again because of what a blast it was.
You know, you are allowed to like the film and at the same time be disappointed in it :) It doesn't have to be one or the other. I think that's how several of us feel about the AvPs (and Predators, for others) - entertaining to watch, guilty pleasures, but not something that we inherently put value in nor want to see a continuation of. And that's ok! It can just be entertaining for what it is. Even knowing the ending, I'm still looking forward to seeing the Predators communicating with each other. That's my takeaway for the movie :laugh:
Considering Perri didn't give it a fresh rating on RT I still think her review is telling for how much there is to actually enjoy. Sounds like I'll have to expect a fun ride that has several flaws - hopefully a majority I can overlook as a fan.
So, it seems like it's basically a roller-coster ride as opposed to the more slow-paced nature of the other Predator movies and doesn't screw up much of what made them such iconic aliens, asides from that dreadful ending sequence. I think I'll enjoy the change of pace, I'm totally down with a fun romp with Predators in it and some Shane Black quips.
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Sep 08, 2018, 10:16:10 PM
It's definitely reviewing better than I thought it would and while clearly not perfect, it seems like it will be worth a watch.
I think so. At the very least I think it will be enjoyable and not a complete dogs breskfast like AVPR.
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https://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-predator-review-a-bloody-funny-mess/1100-6461644/?ftag=GSS-05-10aaa0b
QuoteThe Good
- Side characters steal the show
- Jokes are genuinely funny
- Cool Easter and meta series commentary
- Gore and violence that fans will enjoy
The Bad
- Overly complex story structure
- CGI Looks unpolished
- Conclusion is too open-ended, seemingly to leave room for a sequel
- Excessive gore feels needlessly punched up and might be too much for some viewers
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- Excessive gore feels needlessly punched up and might be too much for some viewers
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This is an issue in a predator movie? What are we talking about here, Tarantino levels of the gooey red stuff?
I don't think gore would be an issue for me. It's what a Pred does, so let me see it.
As long as it doesn't turn into torture porn (like one of the characters being skinned alive and screaming), I think I'm good.
I mean, the devastating effects of projectiles was one of the few things I liked about the last Rambo.
thyve stomped over alot of Predatoor c lore in here may as well have them skinning people alive thren like they wrongly say in the movies i think first one and avpr both said they were skinned alive. not
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Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 08, 2018, 05:19:49 PM
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Sep 08, 2018, 04:41:58 PM
Quote from: Cheetah on Sep 08, 2018, 03:49:08 AM
bbrokentusk420 haven't seen the movie and already latched on all the negative reviews (forgetting the fact that rottentomatoes still show an overall postive rating for the movie). How typical of these haters.
::)Rotten Tomatoes is a joke. Anyone who still takes their ratings serious is naive. This review is as objective and they come. The movie is a steaming pile, and there is nothing to see. It's not just haters. It's a big pandering mess, with zero direction.
So you did see it. Superpowers probably :laugh:
So BigDaddyJohn I guess you kind of have an idea about the ending, is it so terible that it would be yours lowest entery in the Predator franchise? Of course you didn't see the movie yet, but what is your idea? No spoilers please ;)
It's bad and feels forced. Probably a damn studio decision. Does it change the lore deeply forever ? I don't think so. It doesn't nullify what happened in the other movies, nor it doesn't change those events a bit. I think i will enjoy this movie very much though, and in terms of directing i think i'll be served with some good stuff too. ;)
Quote from: skull-splitter on Sep 09, 2018, 09:56:49 AM
As long as it doesn't turn into torture porn (like one of the characters being skinned alive and screaming), I think I'm good.
I mean, the devastating effects of projectiles was one of the few things I liked about the last Rambo.
Yeah. The stuff we've seen from the trailers doesn't rub me the wrong way - it's just typical Pred conduct.
Quote from: skull-splitter on Sep 09, 2018, 09:56:49 AM
As long as it doesn't turn into torture porn (like one of the characters being skinned alive and screaming), I think I'm good.
I mean, the devastating effects of projectiles was one of the few things I liked about the last Rambo.
Something like skinning you don't even need to see it happen on screen. Look at the show Hannibal, you only ever see the aftermath and it's done masterfully.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Sep 08, 2018, 03:32:58 AM
https://www.indiewire.com/2018/09/the-predator-review-2018-tiff-1202001424/amp/
Another great review summing up the movie for what it truly is. Another missed opportunity
Aye
That's so depressing
Had 2 films that was basically missed opportunities in prometheus and covenant and NOW they want to know what must we do. Lets ask teenagers at test screenings for their opinion while we have such a flourishing community of fans dieing to have an input - who considers it honour to be able to put their opinion forth to FOX . People who have studied the lore for years and wouldn't it be nice if such folk could get a test screening? What about ADF and CDL? Used n some consulting capacity? Truly it is beyond me.
As ASH said: You have my sympathies .
Still fresh in Rottentomatoes with 64%. Probably will drop though.
What you said makes no sense!!!!
Two sides of your mouth.
http://www.dazeddigital.com/film-tv/article/41264/1/the-predator-is-phenomenally-terrible
They weren't fans.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 10, 2018, 12:35:06 PM
http://www.dazeddigital.com/film-tv/article/41264/1/the-predator-is-phenomenally-terrible
They weren't fans.
Their font is hard to read ;D
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Vanyaland - positive
http://www.vanyaland.com/2018/09/10/tiff-review-the-predator-is-the-action-throwback-we-need-right-now/
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Very on point comment here.
brokentusk and odoudu spouts such nonsense. Rottentmatoes is a joke? According to you guys? Bahahaha, sorry, you have no credibility in my eyes.
Let's be civil, please.
And that goes for members and guests.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 10, 2018, 01:59:11 PM
Quotethe fun acts as concealer and prevents the blemishes from being noticeable except for under harsh light.
Very on point comment here.
Hmmm I get the feeling I will love the action with all the predator kills and gore but will hate the story overall and portrayal of the creature. It's going to be AVPR all over for me... together with some of the stuff I hated from Predators. From the trailer it had reminded me of AVPR the most plus it has the whole new super predator crap from Predators.
The movie will probably be a 6.5-7/10 for me.
Oh God, it's nowhere near AvPR (or AvP) bad.
I actually stopped having issues with the AVP movies a long time ago and appreciate them simply from what they were and not what they could have be. I even prefer them to Alien Ressurection and gave both a generous 6/10. This movie ending and the Predators' motivations are a worse addition to the predator lore than anything from the avp movies. Worse than having predators teach humans how to built pyramids and the bad design from AVP. How fun the action and the characters are will be the deciding factor on how it compares to avp movies.
Rotten Tomatoes Critics Consensus: "The Predator's energetic blend of black humor and fast-paced action hits just hard enough to nudge this oft-waylaid franchise back on track while setting up sequels to come"
Quote from: Firestorm on Sep 10, 2018, 08:37:41 PM
Rotten Tomatoes Critics Consensus: "The Predator's energetic blend of black humor and fast-paced action hits just hard enough to nudge this oft-waylaid franchise back on track while setting up sequels to come"
That's honestly pretty good sounding if you ask me. Better than I expected.
Quote from: Firestorm on Sep 10, 2018, 08:37:41 PM
Rotten Tomatoes Critics Consensus: "The Predator's energetic blend of black humor and fast-paced action hits just hard enough to nudge this oft-waylaid franchise back on track while setting up sequels to come"
Was that pun intentional? :laugh:
The critical consensus was also this for the 2010 entry:
"Critic Consensus: After a string of subpar sequels, this bloody, action-packed reboot takes the Predator franchise back to its testosterone-fueled roots."
I wouldn't put too much stock in it.
Quote from: andreaNZ on Sep 09, 2018, 10:44:33 AM
thyve stomped over alot of Predatoor c lore in here may as well have them skinning people alive thren like they wrongly say in the movies i think first one and avpr both said they were skinned alive. not
The first movie is ground zero though, you're saying the very first movie, that daddy that started it all is
wrong and that extended universe that came after the movie is right?
Yeah Arny says skinned alive in the first film.
Grasping at straws.
Well RT score is down to 60% now :-\
Quote from: 426Buddy on Sep 10, 2018, 10:04:56 PM
Yeah Arny says skinned alive in the first film.
Grasping at straws.
"He didn't disappear, he was skinned alive" *in arnie accent
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Sep 10, 2018, 10:06:05 PM
Well RT score is down to 60% now :-\
Does that even matter? In the end it's about what each feel personally about the movie. In regards to future movies its up for the box office not what grade some site gives it.
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Quote from: chrisr232007 on Sep 10, 2018, 10:06:05 PM
Well RT score is down to 60% now :-\
Does that even matter? In the end it's about what each feel personally about the movie. In regards to future movies its up for the box office what grade some site gives it.
I am personally really invested in this movie having critical success, and it not gettung as much praise from actual movie critic is upseting, but in the end of the day most important is what each person feels about the movie (of course to the reason of personal knowledge of movie making, lore, etc). So yeh for me the most important is how I will feel about the movie, but I am invested in what movie critics going to say ;)
Is RT like a thing? Is that like another IMDB? Or uh... Metacritic is another I visited a few times. I don't really go on those sites so can't say. Hicks's review is more revelant to me, I can get a better idea to what expect.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 10, 2018, 10:21:17 PM
Is RT like a thing? Is that like another IMDB? Or uh... Metacritic is another I visited a few times. I don't really go on those sites so can't say. Hicks's review is more revelant to me, I can get a better idea to what expect.
I think it's a good idea but I have seen some reviews that are a 3/5, C-, or 2.5/4 scores be counted as both negative and positive reviews which I feel is strange and can mess with that meter but generally I find that people who are excited for a movie will say they don't care for it when the movie they want to be good gets a low score or if it gets a high score use it to hype the movie up even more.
I do get a bit disappointed when movies get low scores, but I guarantee if you went back and searched up a few of your favorite childhood films that you love with a passion you'll see they tend to have scores that may surprise you.
Quote from: N-Shifter on Sep 10, 2018, 09:22:28 PM
The first movie is ground zero though, you're saying the very first movie, that daddy that started it all is wrong and that extended universe that came after the movie is right?
That film clearly shows the Predator kills its prey before taking trophies, so yeah it's more likely they were skinned after they were dead.
Predator 2 confirms that, and it was by the original writers.
That being said there'd be nothing wrong with a Predator skinning someone alive in a movie. Excessive, sure, "wrong", no.
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Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 10, 2018, 10:21:17 PM
Is RT like a thing? Is that like another IMDB? Or uh... Metacritic is another I visited a few times. I don't really go on those sites so can't say. Hicks's review is more revelant to me, I can get a better idea to what expect.
I think it's a good idea but I have seen some reviews that are a 3/5, C-, or 2.5/4 scores be counted as both negative and positive reviews which I feel is strange and can mess with that meter but generally I find that people who are excited for a movie will say they don't care for it when the movie they want to be good gets a low score or if it gets a high score use it to hype the movie up even more.
I do get a bit disappointed when movies get low scores, but I guarantee if you went back and searched up a few of your favorite childhood films that you love with a passion you'll see they tend to have scores that may surprise you.
Totally agree with you! ;)
Seeing it in a few hours. I'll be sure to chime in later.
Oh momma I suddenly got a date with an advanced studio screening tonight
Saw it earlier today, was pretty disappointed. Think the original script was better that they tested last year. My review is out on Hybrid Network for anyone interested
Is the novelization for this going to be following the original script?
Looks good to me. All i wanted is the predator f@#king shit up on the big screen, if the movie accomplishes that i say its a hit. If your looking for a deep plot with rich context go watch Gone with the Wind or some other fruity marry poppin's bullshit.
There is no deep plot in the first movie - alien hunter killing people. I don't understand the huge circle jerk in modern cinema where people want 18 layers of inception like context to satisfy their hypercritical sense of validation. It's an action move - if it accomplishes that, that's a one up from half the movies out there that fall short of their genre, and from everything i hear it has plenty of action.
Its okay to have plot-lines but lets not forget you can only shove so much in a movie.
Quote from: prototypeXIII on Sep 11, 2018, 04:24:22 AM
If your looking for a deep plot with rich context go watch Gone with the Wind or some other fruity marry poppin's bullshit.
Hey, that "Alabama Tick" scene was freakin' award material. "I ain't got time to bleed" is right up there with "You can't handle the truth" and " I'll never go hungry again". Jesse deserved an Oscar for that performance. Not just anybody could stand there and sell clotting the way he did.
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Sep 10, 2018, 10:06:05 PM
Well RT score is down to 60% now :-\
52% now. :-( Very disappointed. Just cannot believe it's not as good as Predators that holds a solid 65%.
Hopefully the following reviews will be positive.
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Quote from: chrisr232007 on Sep 10, 2018, 10:06:05 PM
Well RT score is down to 60% now :-\
52% now. :-( Very disappointed. Just cannot believe it's not as good as Predators that holds a solid 65%.
Hopefully the following reviews will be positive.
Ya this is sad. I had high hopes. Ill still go see it but I'm not expecting much.
It makes me sad to see such a low percentage - not simply because I personally wanted to like the movie and don't think I will based on all I've heard, but because I love this franchise, and I wish it could have a really solid, stellar movie for fans and casual audiences alike to enjoy and to ensure continuing success. I guess I'm just afraid about what another dud of a movie will do to its reputation and the timeline for future movies.
Quote from: yautjapet on Sep 11, 2018, 06:56:52 AM
It makes me sad to see such a low percentage - not simply because I personally wanted to like the movie and don't think I will based on all I've heard, but because I love this franchise, and I wish it could have a really solid, stellar movie for fans and casual audiences alike to enjoy and to ensure continuing success. I guess I'm just afraid about what another dud of a movie will do to its reputation and the timeline for future movies.
Couldn't had said it better man..I feel the same.
It's a slightly higher score than that of Predator' original sequel, and what proceeded that was 20 years of nothing.
i think this pretty much summarizes all the reviews in a single tweet. almost every review says it's FUN. that's a great thing. as shane said, it's a movie not a film.
let's not get too fixated with RT scores and enjoy the freaking movie with your loved ones at the theatre ;D
https://twitter.com/agentbizzle/status/1039367659983273984
Quote from: 343 on Sep 11, 2018, 06:13:04 AM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Sep 10, 2018, 10:06:05 PM
Well RT score is down to 60% now :-\
52% now. :-( Very disappointed. Just cannot believe it's not as good as Predators that holds a solid 65%.
Hopefully the following reviews will be positive.
I never really expect high scores with Predator films. That's never a surprise to me.
Quote from: Huntsman on Sep 11, 2018, 10:10:57 AM
Quote from: 343 on Sep 11, 2018, 06:13:04 AM
Quote from: chrisr232007 on Sep 10, 2018, 10:06:05 PM
Well RT score is down to 60% now :-\
52% now. :-( Very disappointed. Just cannot believe it's not as good as Predators that holds a solid 65%.
Hopefully the following reviews will be positive.
I never really expect high scores with Predator films. That's never a surprise to me.
It suprises me because Predators got a 65%.
Now down to 49%!
Predators is an underrated film, and I think it's better than 65%. I think the ending of The Predator sounds goofy, but if I enjoy the majority of the film I'm going to be okay with the whole product. These movies aren't Shakespeare and never claimed to be.
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Quote from: chrisr232007 on Sep 10, 2018, 10:06:05 PM
Well RT score is down to 60% now :-\
52% now. :-( Very disappointed. Just cannot believe it's not as good as Predators that holds a solid 65%.
Hopefully the following reviews will be positive.
I never really expect high scores with Predator films. That's never a surprise to me.
It suprises me because Predators got a 65%.
Now down to 49%!
It will probably go back up, there's tons of people out there who will enjoy the action, laughs and scares.
Hopefully. If the movie is funny and has engaging action, I can possibly see the general public enjoying it despite any criticisms they have.
Yes, the public will like it maybe, but the critics don't.
We will see. Hopefully it will go up again.
Then again, quick question for Hicks, do the loonies deaths changed from the script ? I know there are some changes from test screenings but don't know if it's in the final version you saw... Without details, i would just like to know if it's totally different, or if there's a mix between the script deaths and new ones.
Thanks anyway for taking the time to answer almost everything man !
Spoiler
Baxley, Coyle and Traeger for sure. Nebraska's is slightly different - more thematic to his character, actually. Flyboy is Nettles, right? His is the same. And I don't remember Lynch in the script?
It's been a while since I read the script.
Actually
Spoiler
Nettles is in the script. But in the film, he has Flyboy's death.
Hicks, and the
Spoiler
decapitate scene when Fugitive uses the head to get through the scanners remained in the final version?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 11, 2018, 01:56:15 PM
Spoiler
Baxley, Coyle and Traeger for sure. Nebraska's is slightly different - more thematic to his character, actually. Flyboy is Nettles, right? His is the same. And I don't remember Lynch in the script?
It's been a while since I read the script.
Actually
Spoiler
Nettles is in the script. But in the film, he has Flyboy's death.
Ok thanks ! And yes Lynch was script Nettles, and Flyboy is movie Nettles !
Quote from: Xerxész on Sep 11, 2018, 02:32:44 PM
Hicks, and the Spoiler
decapitate scene when Fugitive uses the head to get through the scanners remained in the final version?
Not that I remember.
Spoiler
He does mimmick the guy's voice to get through.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 11, 2018, 02:35:07 PM
And yes Lynch was script Nettles, and Flyboy is movie Nettles !
I remember reading from someone seen the test screening that
Spoiler
Lynch dies first from the Loonies. And IIRC he is been shot on a cliff by Assassin.
But maybe Hicks will correct me if I'm wrong...and if he wants to. :)
Yeah. That's right.
Kindda disappointed. Doesn't feel like a predator movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpbA0BSR5gM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpbA0BSR5gM)
Quote from: The Wolverine Predator on Sep 11, 2018, 12:55:42 PM
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Quote from: chrisr232007 on Sep 10, 2018, 10:06:05 PM
Well RT score is down to 60% now :-\
52% now. :-( Very disappointed. Just cannot believe it's not as good as Predators that holds a solid 65%.
Hopefully the following reviews will be positive.
I never really expect high scores with Predator films. That's never a surprise to me.
It suprises me because Predators got a 65%.
Now down to 49%!
It will probably go back up, there's tons of people out there who will enjoy the action, laughs and scares.
46%. Same percentage as the moronic The Meg.
45%. Drops by the hour.
It's hard to take these whack critics serious, I'm sure I'll enjoy this, because I know what to expect. RT makes no difference to me.
It's 55 at metacritic.
Seems to have plenty of good things to say overall in this review but also says its a mess with the plot.
And of course she lovessss the ending... what's wrong with her lol. Really don't know if I should spend the dough on this flick.
the predator franchise is dead, thanks a bunch to everyone, who was all over shane black talking about how great he is, he has destroyed the franchise. I blame some members for being so accepting of anything, what should of happened is when the script got leaked, avpgalxy should of made its voice heard about how god awful it was and posted it for the whole world to see, which in turn would of forced their hand and made them go back to the drawing board... instead people over looked the issues because they are convinced shane black is like some sort of savior, stay blind my friends, this is your fault... all well. you live and learn i suppose.
Guests don't get to have opinions.
Quote from: cornmeal on Sep 11, 2018, 07:43:00 PM
the predator franchise is dead, thanks a bunch to everyone, who was all over shane black talking about how great he is, he has destroyed the franchise. I blame some members for being so accepting of anything, what should of happened is when the script got leaked, avpgalxy should of made its voice heard about how god awful it was and posted it for the whole world to see, which in turn would of forced their hand and made them go back to the drawing board... instead people over looked the issues because they are convinced shane black is like some sort of savior, stay blind my friends, this is your fault... all well. you live and learn i suppose.
You hear that guys? It's our damn fault. We ruined this franchise. We should have done more. We could have fixed this movie. Damn it.
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 11, 2018, 08:01:39 PM
You hear that guys? It's our damn fault. We ruined this franchise. We should have done more. We could have fixed this movie. Damn it.
I know, I know. The kid, the cast, the director of ironman 3, excessive comedy, friendly predators, giant predators, dogs with dreadlocks. None of that was the studio. I don't know what we were thinking. Well, SM had the most say, to be honest. ;D
All SM's fault as usual.
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Quote from: cornmeal on Sep 11, 2018, 07:43:00 PM
the predator franchise is dead, thanks a bunch to everyone, who was all over shane black talking about how great he is, he has destroyed the franchise. I blame some members for being so accepting of anything, what should of happened is when the script got leaked, avpgalxy should of made its voice heard about how god awful it was and posted it for the whole world to see, which in turn would of forced their hand and made them go back to the drawing board... instead people over looked the issues because they are convinced shane black is like some sort of savior, stay blind my friends, this is your fault... all well. you live and learn i suppose.
You hear that guys? It's our damn fault. We ruined this franchise. We should have done more. We could have fixed this movie. Damn it.
AvPG has let the world down by not sabotaging the movie. Our guest cornmeal said it, it must be true 😂
Quote from: cornmeal on Sep 11, 2018, 07:43:00 PM
the predator franchise is dead, thanks a bunch to everyone, who was all over shane black talking about how great he is, he has destroyed the franchise. I blame some members for being so accepting of anything, what should of happened is when the script got leaked, avpgalxy should of made its voice heard about how god awful it was and posted it for the whole world to see, which in turn would of forced their hand and made them go back to the drawing board... instead people over looked the issues because they are convinced shane black is like some sort of savior, stay blind my friends, this is your fault... all well. you live and learn i suppose.
Petr is that you? :)
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 11, 2018, 08:36:47 PM
Quote from: cornmeal on Sep 11, 2018, 07:43:00 PM
the predator franchise is dead, thanks a bunch to everyone, who was all over shane black talking about how great he is, he has destroyed the franchise. I blame some members for being so accepting of anything, what should of happened is when the script got leaked, avpgalxy should of made its voice heard about how god awful it was and posted it for the whole world to see, which in turn would of forced their hand and made them go back to the drawing board... instead people over looked the issues because they are convinced shane black is like some sort of savior, stay blind my friends, this is your fault... all well. you live and learn i suppose.
Petr is that you? :)
I thought it was Annie Wilkes?
Sorry for going off topic but today I experienced a disturbing thing on fb. There is a blog called "the action elite". I used to track action movies via their website. Maybe you've heard of it. Anyway, I saw a review of The Predator on their FB page and I just commented that the review was biased and he was forgiving on worse straight to dvd movies... The thing is I even stated I respectfully disagreed with him! I did not write a single offensive line that would prompt such a reaction as his. In fact I never said that the movie will be good. So the guy who runs the page overreacted in the most childish manner and told me (because I have a metal band singer on my avatar) that "my opinion was unwanted and that I as a satan worshipper should burn in hell". That was basically his reply. And before I could type another word he banned me from his page lol.
It's funny when one runs a professional review site where he "sells" his opinion to the masses yet doesn't shy away from disrespecting the same audience just for having a different view. Once you lower yourself - you lose all your credibility as a reviewer in my opinion. So seing how people like him act out makes me wonder why do we even bother to communicate with other so called fans on the internet. God forbid when someone doesn't agree with toxic haters.
Back to topic
It's down to 43%. Wonder how low will it go?
28% Critic Score
43% Audience Score
Quote from: georgeromero on Sep 11, 2018, 09:15:59 PM
Sorry for going off topic but today I experienced a disturbing thing on fb. There is a blog called "the action elite". I used to track action movies via their website. Maybe you've heard of it. Anyway, I saw a review of The Predator on their FB page and I just commented that the review was biased and he was forgiving on worse straight to dvd movies... The thing is I even stated I respectfully disagreed with him! I did not write a single offensive line that would prompt such a reaction as his. In fact I never said that the movie will be good. So the guy who runs the page overreacted in the most childish manner and told me (because I have a metal band singer on my avatar) that "my opinion was unwanted and that I as a satan worshipper should burn in hell". That was basically his reply. And before I could type another word he banned me from his page lol.
It's funny when one runs a professional review site where he "sells" his opinion to the masses yet doesn't shy away from disrespecting the same audience just for having a different view. Once you lower yourself - you lose all your credibility as a reviewer in my opinion. So seing how people like him act out makes me wonder why do we even bother to communicate with other so called fans on the internet. God forbid when someone doesn't agree with toxic haters.
Back to topic
It's down to 43%. Wonder how low will it go?
Man that sucks! But it's a loooot fo strange people with differenrt types of problems with access to internet . It's really scary when you think about it, so I just try to ignore ;D
Thankfully the vast majority here are not like that. You should see transformer fans with their Bayverse vs G1 debate. Speaking of which let's see if Black's movie divides fans successfully and creates generation one preds lol.
Quote from: georgeromero on Sep 11, 2018, 09:34:43 PM
Thankfully the vast majority here are not like that. You should see transformer fans with their Bayverse vs G1 debate. Speaking of which let's see if Black's movie divides fans successfully and creates generation one preds lol.
Oh man I can imaging it ;D to be honest I really start not liking all this conversations about canon and stuff. I was fan of predator for more then 20 years, and when i got access to Internet, first thing i start searching about predator fan facts) at first i did take all the book and comics canon seriously, and used ro debate with people about that. But after 10 years in internet I started really not care about canon any more, and rolling my eyes when somebody trying to teach me on predator culture ;D
Anybody else thinking Shane black could be playing the biggest April fools day joke in the world? I mean like he let all the critics and early screenings see a "version" of the film, and is holding out for the real version for this coming week? Dam he'd be the biggest a**hole alive for that! Bud sadly that couldn't happen.
Quote from: Dannyboy on Sep 11, 2018, 09:53:28 PM
Anybody else thinking Shane black could be playing the biggest April fools day joke in the world? I mean like he let all the critics and early screenings see a "version" of the film, and is holding out for the real version for this coming week? Dam he'd be the biggest a**hole alive for that! Bud sadly that couldn't happen.
It's so sad, all critics reaping this movie appart))) Shane really got unlucky this time.
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 11, 2018, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: Dannyboy on Sep 11, 2018, 09:53:28 PM
Anybody else thinking Shane black could be playing the biggest April fools day joke in the world? I mean like he let all the critics and early screenings see a "version" of the film, and is holding out for the real version for this coming week? Dam he'd be the biggest a**hole alive for that! Bud sadly that couldn't happen.
It's so sad, all critics reaping this movie appart))) Shane really got unlucky this time.
Yeah critics suck, that's why I tend not to take their opinion on things.
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Quote from: azamultic on Sep 11, 2018, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: Dannyboy on Sep 11, 2018, 09:53:28 PM
Anybody else thinking Shane black could be playing the biggest April fools day joke in the world? I mean like he let all the critics and early screenings see a "version" of the film, and is holding out for the real version for this coming week? Dam he'd be the biggest a**hole alive for that! Bud sadly that couldn't happen.
It's so sad, all critics reaping this movie appart))) Shane really got unlucky this time.
Yeah critics suck, that's why I tend not to take their opinion on things.
I personally respect critics opinion, of course its politics (industrywise) but when its so many critics critisizing one movie, i do believe that movie is flawed. ;)
At least not everyone hates it, it certainly is mixed but some reviewers have enjoyed it, even if it's not perfect.
That will probably be my feeling on it too, I'm not harsh on movies like critics can be and I'm down for a fun ride type of movie, even if it has some issues.
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Sep 11, 2018, 10:27:10 PM
At least not everyone hates it, it certainly is mixed but some reviewers have enjoyed it, even if it's not perfect.
That will probably be my feeling on it too, I'm not harsh on movies like critics can be and I'm down for a fun ride type of movie, even if it has some issues.
Oh sure! I wish i would love it! I watching every month Predator 2 and critics trashed that movie like no tommorow ;. So hopefully this movie is going to be my second "Predator 2" ;)
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 11, 2018, 10:30:51 PM
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Sep 11, 2018, 10:27:10 PM
At least not everyone hates it, it certainly is mixed but some reviewers have enjoyed it, even if it's not perfect.
That will probably be my feeling on it too, I'm not harsh on movies like critics can be and I'm down for a fun ride type of movie, even if it has some issues.
Oh sure! I wish i would love it! I watching every month Predator 2 and critics trashed that movie like no tommorow ;. So hopefully this movie is going to be my second "Predator 2" ;)
Just every month? Damn I'm down to every other day 😂😂😂
yes it is avpgalaxy's fault in the sense that it could of put a middle finger to fox, had a backbone and forced them to change the script. instead you had people not wanting to believe how bad it really was and hyping Shane. sure its a collective of fox, Shane, Fred and the fans that have caused this to happen. don't be naive in thinking 20th century fox dont come to this page and see what the fans of alien and predator are saying.
The community could of resisted and forced fox's hand. let me guess though its none of your fault for hyping the script and trying your absolute best to accept crap, because Shane black is behind it. Um no its petr and elder clan leaders fault for being negative and having issues with it from the very beginning, (which as you can now see was totally justified)
you all knew deep down how bad the script was, why didn't you resist it? oh and talking of petr and elder clan, im sure one of them said they would love to see Christopher Nolan direct a predator film, and they got absolutely jumped on for saying it, well how stupid do you all look now? Nolan vs Black its like comparing gold to copper, nolan would never of made a mess of this film, shane did, you all got this wrong and attacked people multiple times, for trying to tell you how bad this film was going to turn out. apologies anyone?? nah i didnt think so.
cornmeal not being funny pal, im glad you took notice to what i was saying over the months, but please there is having a debate and then attacking people. its been a feisty time on avp lets not pour more fuel on the fire. its ultimately 20th century fox's fault. shane blacks fault and fred dekker sure, but you cannot blame a fandom page for the woes of a movie. Hicks tried to blame me in the same way you are blaming others. let it go bro, its done now.
https://twitter.com/agentbizzle/status/1039367659983273984
This is the kind of review you write when you've lost all hope of selling this as a good movie. :laugh:
So... it's a fun trainwreck? :laugh:
This whole thing turned out to be such a clusterf**k.
Maybe he does have a slight point, if we had released the script to the public, and in multiple areas across the net, it might very well of worked and forced them to rewrite it. sadly there is no way to find out. im going watching it at the weekend in 3D, ill publish my review then guys.
Sounds like the description for Predator 2, II.
Quote from: Dannyboy on Sep 11, 2018, 10:38:08 PM
Quote from: azamultic on Sep 11, 2018, 10:30:51 PM
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Sep 11, 2018, 10:27:10 PM
At least not everyone hates it, it certainly is mixed but some reviewers have enjoyed it, even if it's not perfect.
That will probably be my feeling on it too, I'm not harsh on movies like critics can be and I'm down for a fun ride type of movie, even if it has some issues.
Oh sure! I wish i would love it! I watching every month Predator 2 and critics trashed that movie like no tommorow ;. So hopefully this movie is going to be my second "Predator 2" ;)
Just every month? Damn I'm down to every other day 😂😂😂
ohh man, not enough time and strenght to watch it every other day ;)
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 11, 2018, 11:14:10 PM
Maybe he does have a slight point, if we had released the script to the public, and in multiple areas across the net, it might very well of worked and forced them to rewrite it. sadly there is no way to find out. im going watching it at the weekend in 3D, ill publish my review then guys.
Good to know that you decided to watch this movie Elder :)
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 11, 2018, 11:15:40 PM
Sounds like the description for Predator 2, II.
That's what I am hoping for!
Oh joy, can't wait to read a review from a fan who will start it off with "I was right, it was an abomination!".
When you go looking for trouble, you will surely find it.
Maybe they really should do an extended cut for the blu-ray to try and tidy up some of the editing, using some of that cut footage, which there seems to be plenty of.
Worth noting that there are still positive reviews springing up elsewhere online.
https://www.cnet.com/news/the-predator-review-join-the-hunt-for-visceral-action-dark-humor/
Quote from: Yautja_Warrior on Sep 11, 2018, 11:43:06 PM
Maybe they really should do an extended cut for the blu-ray to try and tidy up some of the editing, using some of that cut footage, which there seems to be plenty of.
At what cost? It sounds like it needs a different cut, but after all the extra time and money invested in the film, I don't think the studio is getting in any deeper with this movie. I don't mean to be overly critical, as it does seem like Shane really did believe in what he was doing. He's got his style, and that's cool. But it's not one I'd say was right for this franchise.
I'll definitely see it at some point, but there's a part of me that can't help but think the studio really should've known better. They're the ones that decided it was cool to Tony Stark a Predator movie. If it all goes down the tubes, it's on them. This movie never should've been green-lit in the first place, honestly. Let Predator be Predator. It doesn't need to be The Dream Team, Iron Man 3, and Close Encounters too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH2v97dT7G4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH2v97dT7G4)
Best review so far lol
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Sep 12, 2018, 12:41:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH2v97dT7G4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH2v97dT7G4)
That was great! :D
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 11, 2018, 11:30:03 PM
Oh joy, can't wait to read a review from a fan who will start it off with "I was right, it was an abomination!".
When you go looking for trouble, you will surely find it.
But if it's actually a good film you think that's not going to change minds?
Though I'm one of those who's thought for a while this sounds like an abomination, I'd love to be forced to eat my words and admit I was wrong! Nobody here wants the movie to tank.
Quote from: yautjapet on Sep 12, 2018, 05:48:23 AM
Nobody here wants the movie to tank.
Indeed. As much as I dislike the direction this film took, it would be good news to see a new movie blow the doors down and make lots of cash. Strong public interest in both the Alien and Predator franchises would be wonderful to see. If we could ever get to the point where new movies were coming out steadily every 2-5 years, I'd be a happy camper.
As for nobody wanting it to tank, uh, there might be one, although he works alittle more in the shadows than he used to. But I'm not dropping names here. ;D
Don't take the reviews for anything more than social media'ism. It's getting trashed by the people who go with current public opinion and currently it's to trash the movie.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 11, 2018, 08:01:15 PM
Guests don't get to have opinions.
Okay, first thing - I already told everyone about this yesterday. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. If you disagree or they're wrong, I expect people to respond to them in a respectful manner. I don't ever want to see another comment like that from you again. It's not exactly a welcoming kind of comment. Which leads me to -
Quote from: cornmeal on Sep 11, 2018, 10:54:10 PM
yes it is avpgalaxy's fault in the sense that it could of put a middle finger to fox, had a backbone and forced them to change the script. instead you had people not wanting to believe how bad it really was and hyping Shane. sure its a collective of fox, Shane, Fred and the fans that have caused this to happen. don't be naive in thinking 20th century fox dont come to this page and see what the fans of alien and predator are saying.
The community could of resisted and forced fox's hand. let me guess though its none of your fault for hyping the script and trying your absolute best to accept crap, because Shane black is behind it. Um no its petr and elder clan leaders fault for being negative and having issues with it from the very beginning, (which as you can now see was totally justified)
you all knew deep down how bad the script was, why didn't you resist it? oh and talking of petr and elder clan, im sure one of them said they would love to see Christopher Nolan direct a predator film, and they got absolutely jumped on for saying it, well how stupid do you all look now? Nolan vs Black its like comparing gold to copper, nolan would never of made a mess of this film, shane did, you all got this wrong and attacked people multiple times, for trying to tell you how bad this film was going to turn out. apologies anyone?? nah i didnt think so.
You are simply wrong, cornmeal. I know AvP Galaxy is the biggest and God damn best Alien and Predator fansite around but this community is a drop in the ocean. Unlike the Goliaths of Marvel or Star Wars' fanbases, we're barely a percentage of the over-all viewership.
And plenty of people - here and in the joe public on other websites or socials - have made it very clear they didn't like the sounds of what Shane was doing. It doesn't make the people who were willing to give him a go wrong.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 11, 2018, 11:02:05 PM
cornmeal not being funny pal, im glad you took notice to what i was saying over the months, but please there is having a debate and then attacking people. its been a feisty time on avp lets not pour more fuel on the fire. its ultimately 20th century fox's fault. shane blacks fault and fred dekker sure, but you cannot blame a fandom page for the woes of a movie. Hicks tried to blame me in the same way you are blaming others. let it go bro, its done now.
And I never blamed you. It's best not to take things so personally - I don't recall saying anything like "It's all ELDERCLANLEADER's fault this film sucks! Let's lynch him!!!" I said I suspect it was a reaction to the negative reactions online and in testings and an attempt to downplay them in the edit that led to being such a messy feeling edit. If you react to such general statements in such a negative way, I'd suggest taking a step back before reacting.
Now I'd like this to be the last school teacher post I have to make in this thread. Let's continue like actual adults with emotional maturity now please.
I will NEVER understand this "support the films at all costs regardless of quality!" mentality some people have. Its what leads studios to not even try when making sequels, knowing that the fanboys will still eat it up. Its what lead to the Transformers movie have four atrocious sequels, its what led to AvP R and Alien Covenant.
I'm sorry but I would rather have NO films than seven terrible ones as we've gotten with the Alien and Predator franchises. The good films will always exists. And the bad ones just tarnish the brand and make it even harder the general audience to take it seriously.
David's Drawings was worth it.
Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Sep 12, 2018, 10:19:31 AM
I will NEVER understand this "support the films at all costs regardless of quality!" mentality some people have. Its what leads studios to not even try when making sequels, knowing that the fanboys will still eat it up. Its what lead to the Transformers movie have four atrocious sequels, its what led to AvP R and Alien Covenant.
I'm sorry but I would rather have NO films than seven terrible ones as we've gotten with the Alien and Predator franchises. The good films will always exists. And the bad ones just tarnish the brand and make it even harder the general audience to take it seriously.
Only a very small margin actually like and support films such as AVP-Requiem, and while it didn't go the way we wanted to, Fox did essentially wipe that continuity out by allowing Ridley Scott to do his prequels, of course that went into a direction that left a bad taste in our mouths.
Birth.Movie.Death has a pretty on point review with a good opening paragraph that sums it all up quite well -
QuoteTo paraphrase the great Joe Bob Briggs, "you can always tell whether or not you're watching an A-Movie or a B-Movie depending on if they kill the dog. If they off the poor mutt, it's definitely a B-Movie." Well, Shane Black's The Predator kills the dog, then it goes after the kid, the mom, and then slaughters pretty much everything else in its path before arriving at a climax so utterly over the top and ridiculous, you feel like you just watched five mini-Predator pictures back-to-back. Each of its acts crams as many insane ideas and vulgar one-liners into its rotten, day-glo green stew until you can't take any more, becoming a crass concoction of wanton juvenilia. But that's also what renders it one helluva time at the movies.
https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2018/09/11/the-predator-review-welcome-to-the-splatterdome
Quote from: A_Sexual_Tyrannosaurus on Sep 12, 2018, 10:19:31 AM
I will NEVER understand this "support the films at all costs regardless of quality!" mentality some people have. Its what leads studios to not even try when making sequels, knowing that the fanboys will still eat it up.
Yeah...that is naive attitude. I used to have it
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2018, 11:25:26 AM
Birth.Movie.Death has a pretty on point review with a good opening paragraph that sums it all up quite well -
QuoteTo paraphrase the great Joe Bob Briggs, "you can always tell whether or not you're watching an A-Movie or a B-Movie depending on if they kill the dog. If they off the poor mutt, it's definitely a B-Movie." Well, Shane Black's The Predator kills the dog, then it goes after the kid, the mom, and then slaughters pretty much everything else in its path before arriving at a climax so utterly over the top and ridiculous, you feel like you just watched five mini-Predator pictures back-to-back. Each of its acts crams as many insane ideas and vulgar one-liners into its rotten, day-glo green stew until you can't take any more, becoming a crass concoction of wanton juvenilia. But that's also what renders it one helluva time at the movies.
https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2018/09/11/the-predator-review-welcome-to-the-splatterdome
So Hicks do you think that the next movie going to be in 10-15 years from now?
I don't think we'll be seeing anything for a while.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2018, 11:44:49 AM
I don't think we'll be seeing anything for a while.
That's really sad :-\ Hopefully Shane not going to have too much troubles after this movie.
I havent seen the film yet, but i have fear, i havent read any spoilers but for the reviews ive read...
I dont understand why directors force theyr shit while they have amazing lore, amazing expanded universe, comics, books.. Material fans love... They pass, look at scott, i dont think he has even seen any alien movie since 1979...
Hope is not the case here, hope this is not iron crap 3..
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2018, 11:44:49 AM
I don't think we'll be seeing anything for a while.
I would be fine with only good books and games.
Quote from: Wweyland on Sep 12, 2018, 01:10:18 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2018, 11:44:49 AM
I don't think we'll be seeing anything for a while.
I would be fine with only good books and games.
I don't think there's anything upcoming for Predator in that regard.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2018, 11:44:49 AM
I don't think we'll be seeing anything for a while.
This was a big fear of mine, that the movie would be so bad the franchise ends up shelved for another decade. Or more, depending on just how poorly it does... :'(
I'm basically resigned to Predator being a once-in-a-decade franchise at this point. I really wish they would stop with the trilogy baiting before a movie even comes out.
Seen the movie with my gf here in the Philippines
it's tolerable for me as a fan
for casual movie goer like my gf it's ok, fun and brutal
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2018, 11:44:49 AM
I don't think we'll be seeing anything for a while.
It's safe to say we won't be seeing much of Alien or Predator...
Face it, both franchises got the nail with the last 2 entries.
Quote from: Hemi on Sep 12, 2018, 02:41:43 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Sep 12, 2018, 11:44:49 AM
I don't think we'll be seeing anything for a while.
It's safe to say we won't be seeing much of Alien or Predator...
Face it, both franchises got the nail with the last 2 entries.
Nu-uh, someone hasn't been paying attention.
Predator may be in hibernation &
Alien in threatrical releases may be in limbo but it's got all these coming up;
6 Tongal Alien 40th Anniversary films,
Alien: The Blueprints,
Alien 40th Anniversary Documentary,
Alien Isolation Novelisation,
Aliens Dust To Dust,
William Gibson's ALIEN 3
& Cold Iron Forge's Alien Videogame.
Far from a dead franchise.
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 12, 2018, 03:08:30 PM
6 Tongal Alien 40th Anniversary films,
Alien: The Blueprints,
Alien 40th Anniversary Documentary,
Alien Isolation Novelisation,
Aliens Dust To Dust,
William Gibson's ALIEN 3
& Cold Iron Forge's Alien Videogame.
Far from a dead franchise.
Also Titan Books will be making another Aliens and Predator anthologies.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 12, 2018, 03:19:37 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 12, 2018, 03:08:30 PM
6 Tongal Alien 40th Anniversary films,
Alien: The Blueprints,
Alien 40th Anniversary Documentary,
Alien Isolation Novelisation,
Aliens Dust To Dust,
William Gibson's ALIEN 3
& Cold Iron Forge's Alien Videogame.
Far from a dead franchise.
Also Titan Books will be making another Aliens and Predator anthologies.
The franchises have been living the good life on paper. I've said it before, it's the best place for them as of this point. Hollywood is a mess, and I don't care for the ideas they're bringing to the table.
Quote from: Huggs on Sep 12, 2018, 03:45:54 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 12, 2018, 03:19:37 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 12, 2018, 03:08:30 PM
6 Tongal Alien 40th Anniversary films,
Alien: The Blueprints,
Alien 40th Anniversary Documentary,
Alien Isolation Novelisation,
Aliens Dust To Dust,
William Gibson's ALIEN 3
& Cold Iron Forge's Alien Videogame.
Far from a dead franchise.
Also Titan Books will be making another Aliens and Predator anthologies.
The franchises have been living the good life on paper. I've said it before, it's the best place for them as of this point. Hollywood is a mess, and I don't care for the ideas they're bringing to the table.
As someone that over the last years started to enjoy reading more than watching movies, its been going really well. :)
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 12, 2018, 03:08:30 PM
Nu-uh, someone hasn't been paying attention.
Predator may be in hibernation &
Alien in threatrical releases may be in limbo but it's got all these coming up;
6 Tongal Alien 40th Anniversary films,
Alien: The Blueprints,
Alien 40th Anniversary Documentary,
Alien Isolation Novelisation,
Aliens Dust To Dust,
William Gibson's ALIEN 3
& Cold Iron Forge's Alien Videogame.
Far from a dead franchise.
Kind of saddens me actually that a franchise that started out in movies now must rely on books. No disrespect, I'm getting me at least 3 of those listed but just sucks that the ideal dream of the movies being good with transmedia going hand in hand isn't going to be. The games unfortunately, like the movies happen to just fall on its face with Isolation being the exception. Its almost like they can only be good on paper.
Regardless I'm still hoping its just critic talk and the movie makes its cash that enables it to greenlight another one.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Sep 12, 2018, 05:17:17 PM
Kind of saddens me actually that a franchise that started out in movies now must rely on books.
But at least some of those original movies were honestly about as good as it can get. The original alien and predator. Aliens and Predator 2. I mean really, even if the movie end right now, forever, we'll always have perfection.
hicks this is the your quote i was talking about......
"In my opinion, and from what it's felt like watching the film and tracking everything these past few years, it's attempts to pander to all the complaining online that seems to have made a mess of this film."
don't know if you were just upset that day bud, but considering you singled me out and this was your reply, it did rather feel like passive aggressiveness and pointing fingers at people who were rightly critical and negative. So caring for your character and standing up for it is now complaining? maybe fox should actually listen to what the predator community want, rather than throwing in absolutely terrible plot devices and generic nonsense, all in the hope of "keeping it fresh"
i mean i don't care what anyone says predator was never a comedy, sure it had some humorous moments at the beginning, but as the film went on and more people died, suddenly it took a much darker serious tone.
shane black essentially made a parody, and while i disagree with cornmeal, actually i think we should maybe of made our voices heard by posting the script, it might very well of forced them back to the drawing board.
The humor on Predator 2 never bothered me, but in The Predator it feels too cringey and forced.
right exactly, yano why that is? because the humor in p1 and p2 was never the vocal point, the one liners etc were never extreme, it always generally felt organic, like a bunch of commandos having a laugh, which does happen, (jarhead anyone?) but soon as the threat is realized jokes go right out the window, and suddenly everyone is scared and stressed by their predicament and focused on the task at hand.
the problem with predator is its so far removed from what it was originally intended to be, it was essentially a war film with sci fi elements. It needs to go back to that imo. enough with the campy cheese fest. its killing the franchise film by film. it needs a much darker realistic serious tone in any future sequel.
If you guys think a major studio like Fox was going to change the entire movie because someone on this site posted a leaked script for the public may as well be one of the Loonies. The movie was going to be made regardless. Bad test screenings are the reason why Fox called for reshoots.
Humour is very subjective, it works for some and and doesn't work for others. I don't think the comedy is what turned people off in this movie for the most part. It appears the biggest issues are that you can tell where the studio began to put their fingers on it along with some poor story choices from Shane Black. I see the movie tomorrow night so I am only going off of what I have read on here as well as critic reviews.
mudbutt, think about it if the script was leaked before the film was even in production, and avpgalaxy made its opinion on the matter heard, i think yes it might of worked. any studio not prepared to listen to its fan base is economically an idiot. if the fans dont like something, whats the message to the general public? They want to make money right? surely the best of both worlds is how to do it......
maybe just maybe they just dont like us very much, i mean they needlessly ruined alien with the origins of the xenos being down to david, and they have now pulled a similar stunt with predator. Its like they actually want to piss us off or something. I hope disney destroy 20th century fox, its the most mediocre studio currently in existence by a long mile, plus i hate Rupert Murdoch anyway,
Quote from: MudButt on Sep 12, 2018, 05:53:23 PM
If you guys think a major studio like Fox was going to change the entire movie because someone on this site posted a leaked script for the public may as well be one of the Loonies. The movie was going to be made regardless. Bad test screenings are the reason why Fox called for reshoots.
Humour is very subjective, it works for some and and doesn't work for others. I don't think the comedy is what turned people off in this movie for the most part. It appears the biggest issues are that you can tell where the studio began to put their fingers on it along with some poor story choices from Shane Black. I see the movie tomorrow night so I am only going off of what I have read on here as well as critic reviews.
Exactly. You'd really have to have a bloated ego to think that a major studio would do so many changes to a movie just based on the opinions of an online forum. The screenings returned a slew of negative responses. That's why the reshoots were done. Because the story itself was fundamentally flawed that they had to go back in and see if they could salvage the material. I think what they took out was probably for the better, but the way they pieced it all back together was, from what I'm gathering, atrocious.
Wysps get of your high horse, im just saying it might of worked and was probally worth trying. not that it would work. big difference.
So we were screwed from the get go... The initial vision Black & Dekker had in mind resulted in bad enough tests screenings to warrant copious amounts of reshoots... And with them the results are still far from enough... I know i'll like this movie, i know what i want to see and don't feel overly stressed about it, but i know it's flaws will be obvious too.
what was the harm in trying if we were going to get a bad movie anyway? you sound like a complete elitist wysps, there is no harm in trying. you have to result to name calling to get your point across. get a grip.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 12, 2018, 06:07:53 PM
So we were screwed from the get go... The initial vision Black & Dekker had in mind resulted in bad enough tests screenings to warrant copious amounts of reshoots... And with them the results are still far from enough... I know i'll like this movie, i know what i want to see and don't feel overly stressed about it, but i know it's flaws will be obvious too.
Honestly that's the best way of going into it. Just view it for what it is, enjoy it for what it has to give, and not read too much into it. As far as I'm concerned, so long as there isn't a direct sequel involving this film, the franchise can continue forward with the right writer/director. Sure it might take away, but I don't see this being the "nail in the coffin" so to speak.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 12, 2018, 06:01:55 PM
mudbutt, think about it if the script was leaked before the film was even in production, and avpgalaxy made its opinion on the matter heard, i think yes it might of worked. any studio not prepared to listen to its fan base is economically an idiot. if the fans dont like something, whats the message to the general public? They want to make money right? surely the best of both worlds is how to do it......
maybe just maybe they just dont like us very much, i mean they needlessly ruined alien with the origins of the xenos being down to david, and they have now pulled a similar stunt with predator. Its like they actually want to piss us off or something. I hope disney destroy 20th century fox, its the most mediocre studio currently in existence by a long mile, plus i hate Rupert Murdoch anyway,
Ridley Scott and John Logan are to blame for anything wrong with Alien Covenant. 20th Century Fox did not meddle with that movie. They felt confident enough in it to release it during the summer versus the original release date.
Studios do not HAVE to do anything for fans. If creatives came on here and took some of the ideas people throw around for what they want to happen we'd have even more bad movies. You think it's as simple as a big producer coming on here and taking script ideas based off the countless members on here who spout nonsense because they feel personally offended by a story decision. At the end of the day these are just movies.
Fox has a history of pissing of directors and meddling in productions, yes. Fox has also given us some of the greatest films ever. You want them to listen to the fans only? We are a small percentage of the audience. The goal of a studio film is to reach the biggest possible audience and appeal to them so people from all walks of life see this movie and it makes tons of money. If they only catered to this forum it would mean far less potential earnings for the film. Making any one of us on here happy is not the goal of the studio or any studio for that matter. Even Marvel does things that piss people off but they don't go and stalk the message boards to make sure they put in what people want.
The studio knew the script had leaked, they were aware it was being floated around and still it did not change anything. Numerous articles were made about the crazy shit that happened in that early draft and you can bet that people in the studio saw them. Leaking a script to the mass public would have done nothing. Once a studio changes an entire production of a movie because some online troll posts a leaked script online than you'd see scripts pop up left and right.
Quote from: Wysps on Sep 12, 2018, 06:11:08 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Sep 12, 2018, 06:07:53 PM
So we were screwed from the get go... The initial vision Black & Dekker had in mind resulted in bad enough tests screenings to warrant copious amounts of reshoots... And with them the results are still far from enough... I know i'll like this movie, i know what i want to see and don't feel overly stressed about it, but i know it's flaws will be obvious too.
Honestly that's the best way of going into it. Just view it for what it is, enjoy it for what it has to give, and not read too much into it. As far as I'm concerned, so long as there isn't a direct sequel involving this film, the franchise can continue forward with the right writer/director. Sure it might take away, but I don't see this being the "nail in the coffin" so to speak.
Yeah i know i'm gonna have me some fun with dialogue, interactions between characters, predator badassery and gore stuff, some cool action sequences, probably even some interesting bits of directing... And i will probably also roll my eyes regarding the silliest aspects of the plot, the narrative structure... Well, at least it will be a fun ride, the opposite of a bland experience i had with Predators for example.
Oh the critics are down right nailing this movie to the wall! And I love it! Half these bozo's think Thor rag(piece of shit) rok is a great movie! So glad I've never went off of what they say.
Some backpedalling going on down at Rottentomatoes HQ:
"Critics Consensus: The Predator has violence and quips to spare, but its chaotically hollow action adds up to another missed opportunity for a franchise increasingly defined by disappointment"
Quote from: Firestorm on Sep 12, 2018, 11:41:20 PM
Some backpedalling going on down at Rottentomatoes HQ:
"Critics Consensus: The Predator has violence and quips to spare, but its chaotically hollow action adds up to another missed opportunity for a franchise increasingly defined by disappointment"
I am glad that at least some Top Critics like it, of course it's not so manny, but at least something :)
Quote from: Firestorm on Sep 12, 2018, 11:41:20 PM
Some backpedalling going on down at Rottentomatoes HQ:
"Critics Consensus: The Predator has violence and quips to spare, but its chaotically hollow action adds up to another missed opportunity for a franchise increasingly defined by disappointment"
Did they change their review? I thought they gave a different review a few days ago. Also...."increasingly defined by disappointment"....there's only been Predators before this, and prior to that Predator 2. Unless they're taking into account the AvP's (which are kind of their own thing.)
I think they are indeed referring to the other two sequels, or at least Predators.
Rotten Tomatoes is changing consensus now? What a bunch of f**king hacks.
Well, if any of y'all understand portuguese, here's my review of it:
For the ones who don't, I will be writing a review in english on letterboxd after I watch it again tomorrow with my friends, and I'll make sure to bring it over.
The consensus description changes depending on the, y'know, consensus. As more reviews come in, the consensus will change. Keeping it the same would be hack work.
Quote from: SiL on Sep 13, 2018, 02:43:27 AM
The consensus description changes depending on the, y'know, consensus. As more reviews come in, the consensus will change. Keeping it the same would be hack work.
Or they could wait a little longer before stapling consensus on things. I can get the film getting reevaluated and the critic perspective on it changing over time, but changing the "consensus" in less than one week? Uh...
The site "double toasted" had the right to post 2 different reviews that occupy the same YouTube channel? Like how the hell is that even fair? They both enjoyed it on their channel, but yet gave it a shity review on RT.
I walked out when the dog came back to the group...
I will stick to the Alien side of the site from now on I think.
Ok. Bye.
Quote from: LtJesseRipley on Sep 13, 2018, 06:51:20 AM
I walked out when the dog came back to the group...
Doubt it.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 12, 2018, 03:19:37 PM
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 12, 2018, 03:08:30 PM
6 Tongal Alien 40th Anniversary films,
Alien: The Blueprints,
Alien 40th Anniversary Documentary,
Alien Isolation Novelisation,
Aliens Dust To Dust,
William Gibson's ALIEN 3
& Cold Iron Forge's Alien Videogame.
Far from a dead franchise.
Also Titan Books will be making another Aliens and Predator anthologies.
Indeed. As long as it continues on in the EU, I'll be happy enough if the theatrical stuff goes into hibernation for a bit.
Quote from: ELDERCLANLEADER on Sep 12, 2018, 05:34:50 PM
hicks this is the your quote i was talking about......
"In my opinion, and from what it's felt like watching the film and tracking everything these past few years, it's attempts to pander to all the complaining online that seems to have made a mess of this film."
don't know if you were just upset that day bud, but considering you singled me out and this was your reply, it did rather feel like passive aggressiveness and pointing fingers at people who were rightly critical and negative. So caring for your character and standing up for it is now complaining? maybe fox should actually listen to what the predator community want, rather than throwing in absolutely terrible plot devices and generic nonsense, all in the hope of "keeping it fresh"
You said why you felt it was a mess, I merely responded and said what I felt had contributed towards it being a mess. If you want to take that on your own shoulders, that's your own doing, but it was in no way an attack on you.
Quoteshane black essentially made a parody, and while i disagree with cornmeal, actually i think we should maybe of made our voices heard by posting the script, it might very well of forced them back to the drawing board.
Again, I have to say no it wouldn't have. There was plenty of complaining online from the moment some of those details leaked. All posting that script would have done is brought potential legal actions towards whoever did leak it.
Fans don't know what they want. Fandoms aren't unified voices. The louder ones may think they are the sole speakers for fandoms but that's simply not true. What one person may like, another wont. Comedy is a prime example. The humor and the Loonies is something that is mostly being praised in these reviews and you don't want it.
That's fine. But it doesn't make you or people who share that opinion any more right or wrong than those who disagree with you and to pretend otherwise it arrogant.
But can we stop attacking each other for opinions or presuming we're right on subjective opinions? That's not what I come here to deal with.
Dutch review from NRC gave it 3/5:
https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2018/09/11/hoe-grappig-is-een-soldaat-met-tourette-a1616069
Hmm according to wikipedia on The Predator, the rotten tomatoes approval is now at 41%, I was sure it was in the 60s before.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_predator/
Quote from: The Old One on Sep 13, 2018, 02:20:20 AM
I think they are indeed referring to the other two sequels, or at least Predators.
The only film that features Preds I outright dislike is AVP-R. So Rotten Tomatoes doesn't speak for me! ;)
Quote from: The Cruentus on Sep 13, 2018, 10:15:07 AM
Hmm according to wikipedia on The Predator, the rotten tomatoes approval is now at 41%, I was sure it was in the 60s before.
39% now.
Quote from: 343 on Sep 13, 2018, 01:42:57 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Sep 13, 2018, 10:15:07 AM
Hmm according to wikipedia on The Predator, the rotten tomatoes approval is now at 41%, I was sure it was in the 60s before.
39% now.
We're on an express elevator to hell - going down.
I don't think that critics reviews, or scores and percenteges on a website really matter, unless you're a really casual moviegoer.
I never understood this whole "what critics are saying" thing, like they know better, like they could be objective. Objectivity can't really exist (rip me a new one). How could it exist? You like what you like, and you hate what you hate. You can also not give a shit, but that isn't the same as being objective towards something. It's not even a good indication for the box office. The Predator franchise never was as big or as profitable, as modern superhero movies. It's all up in the air.
Watched the show yesterday. Can't say it was a good movie, but it wasn't a bad one either. The end phase of the movie that was reshot at night really could have used more work,
Spoiler
since several scenes as mentioned like the death of the main human baddy and also when the dog came out of nowhere to attack the Upgrade, was really split second instances that if you blinked you'd missed it totally. And of course, the final scene with the Predator-Killer looked more like an attempt at a Marvel end credits scene that wants to suggest a sequel that we probably won't get until they find a new director. And of course, what with all these new tech, it certainly means there's a split in the tech base of the Predator films compared to the Alien ones now. Unless they handwave it away by destroying all of it.
Quote from: NiceGuy on Sep 13, 2018, 02:21:01 PM
I don't think that critics reviews, or scores and percenteges on a website really matter, unless you're a really casual moviegoer.
I never understood this whole "what critics are saying" thing, like they know better, like they could be objective. Objectivity can't really exist (rip me a new one). How could it exist? You like what you like, and you hate what you hate. You can also not give a shit, but that isn't the same as being objective towards something. It's not even a good indication for the box office. The Predator franchise never was as big or as profitable, as modern superhero movies. It's all up in the air.
I politely disagree, the more you know about situation in the industry, about how story works, how lighting works your point on the subject becoming more objective. The difficulty is that movie connected to art department, where it's hard to determine golden rule of objectivity, because we can have different styles ,and different artistic view, but still the more you know, the higher chance of you being more objective.
Example I am an artist, and I can see when another artist not good with anatomy, or perspective, or shape of the figure (if we talking realistic style), now some artist can do amazing stylized shape and colors and not being good with realism(that's what makes the subject a little bit difficult).
Critics job is to watch movies and films everyday and analyze them, they can see some stuff coming miles away and they can call on it, because of their experience in the field in the industry etc, and you may not notice that flaws because of lack of knowledge or experience, and that is normal. Now is it mean that all critics are right, nope, but their opinion has higher chance of being more objective then yours.
Like I said I may notice mistakes in some drawing, because of my experience in it, but you may not notice it, you may not see the wrong perspective or wrong shape of a muscle. And yes it does mean that my point is more objective on the drawing then yours. Now you of course can start using the point that art is subjective or it his/her style, and you like what you like and I like what I like, but it just feels like a very lazy way if protecting something that you like and what may not be a good product objectively.
I like when people liking some bad stuff and admitting it. I love Predator 2 it's my all time favorite movie, but it's not good compare to the original, but I still love it more then original. Will I say that all critics are wrong, no, probably they right, but it wouldn't change my love for this movie ;)
I have not seen the movie yet, its just my not really objective opinion on this whole reviews thing. I love Predator 2 as well :laugh:
Also, The more you know, you become more objective? Everyone knows about the long reshoots, did that make people more objective? Because i think it had a negative effect on the whole outlook of the film. You said it yourself, art is subjective,and of course it is. I didnt say that you absolutely can not be objective about anything. You can be objective about other things, but not about movies, and that is what i meant when i wrote that objectivity doesnt exist. Its not about you or me being right, its about what you like. Therefore you are not being objective. Yes, you can judge special effects, etc, but the experience you have with the movie is yours, and yours only. And that is going to be subjective.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Sep 13, 2018, 02:04:49 PM
Quote from: 343 on Sep 13, 2018, 01:42:57 PM
Quote from: The Cruentus on Sep 13, 2018, 10:15:07 AM
Hmm according to wikipedia on The Predator, the rotten tomatoes approval is now at 41%, I was sure it was in the 60s before.
39% now.
We're on an express elevator to hell - going down.
We sure are. 37%. What the hell, man!
Quote from: NiceGuy on Sep 13, 2018, 02:58:53 PM
I have not seen the movie yet, its just my not really objective opinion on this whole reviews thing. I love Predator 2 as well :laugh:
Also, The more you know, you become more objective? Everyone knows about the long reshoots, did that make people more objective? Because i think it had a negative effect on the whole outlook of the film. You said it yourself, art is subjective,and of course it is. I didnt say that you absolutely can not be objective about anything. You can be objective about other things, but not about movies, and that is what i meant when i wrote that objectivity doesnt exist. Its not about you or me being right, its about what you like. Therefore you are not being objective. Yes, you can judge special effects, etc, but the experience you have with the movie is yours, and yours only. And that is going to be subjective.
I understand that you were talking about the movie, but no offense this logic is flawed. You can use this "Expirience" reason with almoust everything, you can talk like this about Sports game, computer game, comics, tv show, books, play. But it's not only expirience, the technical exacution counts too, if you had amazing time with a shitty executed movie, you cant just tell people "Yooo people, you are not objective, you just had a bad experience, it's just not your style or preference", no. If person can explain point by point about execution of the movie and how bad it was, or about a lack of storytelling skills from director and writer, or about bad camera man who doesn't know how to shot, or bad editor who just destroying the movie with his cuts, or composer who writes just terrible music, then yehh he can pruve you that objectivly this movie is bad. Objectivity does exist in the movie.
Can you like bad movies, sure you can, nobody going to judge you, do you need to protect your favorite (bad) movies by saying "it's no good or bad movie, its no objectivity in movies, it's just experience" hell no, that's just sounds redicilous.
Now problem with objectivity in art is because sometimes people really can't understand some artist, and artist can create really amazing art piece (movie, cartoon, music, book, comics, drawing, painting), and only few people will understand his talant, and this situation do exist, so it's why it's hard to have a 100 % ultimate objectivity in art industry. But it's also a lot of bad artist who can use this excuse "you just don't understand me, it's just too deep for you, or it's just a style, or it's no objectivity" and just make a terrible lazy art and call it a day.
What I feel is that people get hurt when critics criticizing their fevorite movies and saying back to critics "F...ck them " "They don't understand it" "It's no objectivity in the movie" etc. And I disagree. I think people need to be able to like a bad movie, have a favorite bad movie, and admit that their favorite movie is bad. I just feel that it's a healthier way to watch movies and react to critics ;)
Okay, this could go on forever. Lets agree to disagree, but i never said that you cant like bad movies, or that you cant admit that you like them. Good production values wont equal a good movie. We all know that. I just dont think that movies are just like math equations. Basically all i was trying to say is that you like what you like, and that is more important than what the "professsionals" say. For example, everyone thinks that blade runner 2049 is a masterpiece. Maybe it is from a technical standpoint, but i still dont like it. I think its a soulless movie. Also a lot of people like The Room, which is awful in every regard, but people still like it, and not all of them ironically. Maybe my logic is flawed. Thats because i'm subjective, and so are you. You dont have to like what i think,it is just an opinion. Feel free to disagree with me.
QuoteNow problem with objectivity in art is because sometimes people really can't understand some artist, and artist can create really amazing art piece (movie, cartoon, music, book, comics, drawing, painting), and only few people will understand his talant, and this situation do exist, so it's why it's hard to have a 100 % ultimate objectivity in art industry. But it's also a lot of bad artist who can use this excuse "you just don't understand me, it's just too deep for you, or it's just a style, or it's no objectivity" and just make a terrible lazy art and call it a day.
Art is art, right? Then objectively every piece of art is art, even if you "dont get it". We all have different opinions.
You said you can be objective,and you can, but you are not objective right now. You talk about good artists, and bad ones.
QuoteYou can use this "Expirience" reason with almoust everything
Yes i can,and i will. Thats my whole point, and that is what matters. Its okay to have your own thoughts about things, i have mine, you have yours, and theres nothing wrong with that. Cheers, mate.
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Hmm according to wikipedia on The Predator, the rotten tomatoes approval is now at 41%, I was sure it was in the 60s before.
39% now.
We're on an express elevator to hell - going down.
We sure are. 37%. What the hell, man!
35% Game over man, game over.
Even though they are legit critics, I'm not sure RT reviews will mean much when it comes to studios deciding whether a franchise will be deemed worthy enough to continue or not. I'm more curious as to what the box office will tell us :-X Or if the RT ratings will have any effect on the box office numbers. Do people decide whether to watch a movie based off RT? Wonder if there's some correlation.
What I like the most about this movie is the characters and the non-stop action.
I think the Rotten Tomato score is too excessive. A lot of the reviews that I read through had me thinking "you go into a Predator movie and complain about that?"
The scoring on IMDB seems a bit more fair but I'm aware some people tend to dislike that site for various reasons.
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 14, 2018, 04:02:42 AM
I think the Rotten Tomato score is too excessive. A lot of the reviews that I read through had me thinking "you go into a Predator movie and complain about that?"
The scoring on IMDB seems a bit more fair but I'm aware some people tend to dislike that site for various reasons.
Glad I'm not the only one that thought that. There's a baseline for what to expect from a Predator movie. Trying to come at it from the same perspective as, say, Pan's Labyrinth just does the franchise and viewers alike a disservice. There are a lot of good points in the reviews sure, but some of them are like - seriously? :laugh:
So budget is 88 million. Lets take a guess on how much it'll make
Not enough to warrant a sequel, I suspect.
I predict an OK opening weekend but a sharp drop after that. Probably will sell well on Blu-Ray also.
Let's hope that it gets by on word of mouth. So far, most I have spoken to like it and speak well of it.
Quote from: PredBabe on Sep 14, 2018, 04:02:42 AM
I think the Rotten Tomato score is too excessive. A lot of the reviews that I read through had me thinking "you go into a Predator movie and complain about that?"
The scoring on IMDB seems a bit more fair but I'm aware some people tend to dislike that site for various reasons.
Exactly what i was thinking... Gosh people are weird sometimes...
Quote from: Russ840 on Sep 14, 2018, 09:08:41 AM
Let's hope that it gets by on word of mouth. So far, most I have spoken to like it and speak well of it.
Excellent. I'm not sure if it'll get a sequel straight away, anyway. Look at the gap between Predator 2 and Predators, and then the gap between Predators and The Predator.
Either way. I think this movie will end up with a cult following and be remembered well in years to come. Especially if they release an extended alter cut down the line.
Damn. I'd take a cut just removing the last 5 mins.
I like what you're saying about the film, Russ. I'm seeing it tomorrow. Keep an eye out for my thoughts.
Will do. Looking forward to it bud.
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I think the Rotten Tomato score is too excessive. A lot of the reviews that I read through had me thinking "you go into a Predator movie and complain about that?"
The scoring on IMDB seems a bit more fair but I'm aware some people tend to dislike that site for various reasons.
Exactly what i was thinking... Gosh people are weird sometimes...
Yeah, but this early the IMDB-score isn't all that. 6,5 is not a good score. It will drop for sure the next couple of days. I think well below a 6,0 for sure.
Quote from: NiceGuy on Sep 13, 2018, 08:06:27 PM
Okay, this could go on forever. Lets agree to disagree, but i never said that you cant like bad movies, or that you cant admit that you like them. Good production values wont equal a good movie. We all know that. I just dont think that movies are just like math equations. Basically all i was trying to say is that you like what you like, and that is more important than what the "professsionals" say. For example, everyone thinks that blade runner 2049 is a masterpiece. Maybe it is from a technical standpoint, but i still dont like it. I think its a soulless movie. Also a lot of people like The Room, which is awful in every regard, but people still like it, and not all of them ironically. Maybe my logic is flawed. Thats because i'm subjective, and so are you. You dont have to like what i think,it is just an opinion. Feel free to disagree with me.
QuoteNow problem with objectivity in art is because sometimes people really can't understand some artist, and artist can create really amazing art piece (movie, cartoon, music, book, comics, drawing, painting), and only few people will understand his talant, and this situation do exist, so it's why it's hard to have a 100 % ultimate objectivity in art industry. But it's also a lot of bad artist who can use this excuse "you just don't understand me, it's just too deep for you, or it's just a style, or it's no objectivity" and just make a terrible lazy art and call it a day.
Art is art, right? Then objectively every piece of art is art, even if you "dont get it". We all have different opinions.
You said you can be objective,and you can, but you are not objective right now. You talk about good artists, and bad ones.
QuoteYou can use this "Expirience" reason with almoust everything
Yes i can,and i will. Thats my whole point, and that is what matters. Its okay to have your own thoughts about things, i have mine, you have yours, and theres nothing wrong with that. Cheers, mate.
Man no disrespect, I see what you saying and I agree with you on some parts, but you totally missed my point. What I am trying to say: "Yes everybody subjective, yes we have different experienced with movies, books, games etc. And you have all rights to like whatever you like.But you just dismissed the whole concept of Objectivity in movies. here what you said
Objectivity can't really exist (rip me a new one). How could it exist? That's what I am not agree with".
I don't have nothing against this words "
Maybe my logic is flawed. Thats because i'm subjective, and so are you. You dont have to like what i think,it is just an opinion. Feel free to disagree with me.Its okay to have your own thoughts about things, i have mine, you have yours, and theres nothing wrong with that. Cheers, mate." the only reason I started debate is because you selectively dismissed the Objectivity out of movies. Now 100 % objectivity is probably not existing. But I wasn't talking about absolute objectivity. ;)
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Okay, this could go on forever. Lets agree to disagree, but i never said that you cant like bad movies, or that you cant admit that you like them. Good production values wont equal a good movie. We all know that. I just dont think that movies are just like math equations. Basically all i was trying to say is that you like what you like, and that is more important than what the "professsionals" say. For example, everyone thinks that blade runner 2049 is a masterpiece. Maybe it is from a technical standpoint, but i still dont like it. I think its a soulless movie. Also a lot of people like The Room, which is awful in every regard, but people still like it, and not all of them ironically. Maybe my logic is flawed. Thats because i'm subjective, and so are you. You dont have to like what i think,it is just an opinion. Feel free to disagree with me.
QuoteNow problem with objectivity in art is because sometimes people really can't understand some artist, and artist can create really amazing art piece (movie, cartoon, music, book, comics, drawing, painting), and only few people will understand his talant, and this situation do exist, so it's why it's hard to have a 100 % ultimate objectivity in art industry. But it's also a lot of bad artist who can use this excuse "you just don't understand me, it's just too deep for you, or it's just a style, or it's no objectivity" and just make a terrible lazy art and call it a day.
Art is art, right? Then objectively every piece of art is art, even if you "dont get it". We all have different opinions.
You said you can be objective,and you can, but you are not objective right now. You talk about good artists, and bad ones.
QuoteYou can use this "Expirience" reason with almoust everything
Yes i can,and i will. Thats my whole point, and that is what matters. Its okay to have your own thoughts about things, i have mine, you have yours, and theres nothing wrong with that. Cheers, mate.
Man no disrespect, I see what you saying and I agree with you on some parts, but you totally missed my point. What I am trying to say: "Yes everybody subjective, yes we have different experienced with movies, books, games etc. And you have all rights to like whatever you like.But you just dismissed the whole concept of Objectivity in movies. here what you said Objectivity can't really exist (rip me a new one). How could it exist? That's what I am not agree with".
I don't have nothing against this words " Maybe my logic is flawed. Thats because i'm subjective, and so are you. You dont have to like what i think,it is just an opinion. Feel free to disagree with me.Its okay to have your own thoughts about things, i have mine, you have yours, and theres nothing wrong with that. Cheers, mate." the only reason I started debate is because you selectively dismissed the Objectivity out of movies. Now 100 % objectivity is probably not existing. But I wasn't talking about absolute objectivity. ;)
Thats okay, dude. Im all for a healthy debate.Just for the record, i didnt miss your point, i acknowledged that you can be objective about certain aspects.
"This movie is never meant to be Shakespeare or Gone with Wind! The original was B-movie! What more did you expect?"
This is poor excuse to defend the film. No one is saying that Predator films should be like that. They are talking about objective and technical and narrative flaws.
I may have to watch the movie again, but from what I remember...
So why did Fugitive attack humans if its intention was to help humans fight Predator invasion by giving Predator tech?
The female scientist could've used bit more introductory screen time. Her introduction was felt short and rushed.
So the movie gives brief character development on each ex-soldiers. They kinda get time to be friendly with each other. But that's still not very convincing reason that they decided to stick to McKenna on his mission, especially in such short time. What reason did they have to work with him instead of running away? How were they convinced that Predators were threat? Just because they saw Predator running on buildings? I wasn't convinced. At least in Predators, people were given good reason to stick to each other because they were on an alien planet. It was for their survival. It also showed transition of how they gradually got closer.
Predator dogs.... okay... they kept fighting dogs until one of them died. (I was also wondering why Predator dogs just didn't ignore bullets and attack them instead of just tanking bullets for a while?) Then, they keept shooting at the last dog until one of the guys put a bullet at back of its head... Although it was alive, they were like "Hey, now it's pacified. Let's just leave it alone!" Wait what? Does putting a bullet at back of its head somehow pacifies it instead of killing? Did bullet somehow magically transform Predator dog to be friendly? Accidental brain surgery? I am still confused how the dog became friendly to humans. Later, it totally betrayed its master. There was no transition here. It was big WTF moment.
Whole Mckenna's kid potential and genius felt too much of coincidence. I mean sure... they kinda foreshadowed kid's talent when he remembered exact chess piece positions. Initially, I thought Predator was only after kid because he was wearing the gauntlet. But later, it felt like the reason for kidnap suddenly changed. I felt Upgrade was totally lucky to find exact speciemen for gene upgrade. Again, there wasn't enough transition here.
So why did McKenna and his crews try to stop Stargazers(or that black scientist and his soldiers. Sorry. I forgot his name) from accessing Predator ship? I don't think any reason was given. It wasn't like McKenna's son was going to be murdered. It was totally needless bloodshed. In the end, McKenna and his son ended up working with them minus the black scientist.
Was Predator Killer Shane Black's idea or Fox's? I think that could explain shoddy editing and reshoot.
I am all for new style and idea... if they are executed well. It's like writing an essay. A professor will give your essay bad score if your structure and grammar are poor. I actually didn't mind humor in this movie. I took it as new style for this new entry.
None of previous Predator film had this kind of issue. People are not asking about deep meaning or life lesson or philosophy or oscar performance.
They are asking for basic structure. The first film built Dutch and his team over half of the films. Reason was simple, but convincing. Transition was smooth and perfect. The film gradually switch the mood. Most if not all of actions were reasonable. Same with Predator 2 and Predators.
I hope people understand this.
I'd have to re-watch the film (I won't be in any rush to do so!) but there are objective flaws in almost every scene - either technically from a film making point of view, or flaws with the story itself.
I can only imagine how bad the original test screening version was if this was supposed to be an improvement. Those poor test screening audience members.
Merged with existing fan reviews thread.
As a guy who even enjoyed avpr this movie is a total mess, its sad because 30 % of the movie is amazing, but the rest is garbage, and the lore.. Not at scott covenant shit but damn..
Nothing wrong with the lore in Alien Covenant, apart from one particular element people take issue with.
The Predator is far and away a more entertaining and visually interesting film, (with good characterisation) than either AVP.
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As a guy who even enjoyed avpr this movie is a total mess, its sad because 30 % of the movie is amazing, but the rest is garbage, and the lore.. Not at scott covenant shit but damn..
But it technically is like half AvPR... just better paced and decent characters this time around.
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I'd have to re-watch the film (I won't be in any rush to do so!) but there are objective flaws in almost every scene - either technically from a film making point of view, or flaws with the story itself.
I can only imagine how bad the original test screening version was if this was supposed to be an improvement. Those poor test screening audience members.
I would argue that most of the edits ruined what flow there was and mixed up causality. Treager pulling a hybrid plasmacaster from his ear was a clear cut for sure.
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Nothing wrong with the lore in Alien Covenant, apart from one particular element people take issue with.
The Predator is far and away a more entertaining and visually interesting film, (with good characterisation) than either AVP.
So alien being a creation in a basement with some ooze a few years before they found a fosil of a enginier with a cargo full of eggs... An enginier that is 4 times taller than the ones in te prequels..
Reallly i enjoyed more the avp movies than this mess, the fugitive is cool, but rest of the movie... The dogs... The final shit...
I'm not going to say you're wrong about the creation being an android's responsibility but the rest in terms of lore was executed spectacularly.
& People are always going to take issue with Ridley Scott's reinterpretation of the SJ as the Engineers, I do too-
but I enjoy both versions, I just wish they were established as separate entities.
To be honest, now I've seen the film, I find the criticisms to be overblown. I do think some of the comedic elements were overdone, but for the most part I liked the comraderie they brought to the table. The Predator does do different things with the franchise. I think it's better than Predators, which while passable, was a lot more heavily influenced by the original. The Predator is getting smashed by some reviewers for having a different type of identity. I don't see that as a bad thing. The Predators in this movie are as brutal as any. The plot moves along nicely. It's not perfect, but it's not a disgrace.
The Predator was admittedly seriously funny, but heavy use of bad CG, complete lack of menacing creatures, and hilariously bad ending seals the deal; I rate it above AvP-R as the second worst movie with a Predator in it.
This franchise might just been done with. :(
Brilliant :) SPOILERS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ewFClsBSxk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ewFClsBSxk)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycfisyJ1Ys0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycfisyJ1Ys0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF5E8dnFV8A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF5E8dnFV8A)
Agreed with Jeremy Jahns, although I did care for the characters.
Chris Stuckman is correct about how stitched together the film is.
Chris Stuckman is right... about everything.
He is to a degree.
Decker Shado is always entertaining, truly a likeable and eccentric character, I also see eye to eye with that review 100%
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Nothing wrong with the lore in Alien Covenant, apart from one particular element people take issue with..
Oh yes there is, at least from my perspective anyway. There is more than one issue with covenant. David being the creator is the most obvious of course but it is not the only one. The facehugger implantion speed for example, Aliens revealed that two cases proved the facehugger could be removed before implantion but that the hosts died as a result, hence why we have that horrific scene in Aliens where Burke tried to get Ripley and Newt impregnated.
Speaking of speed, the life-cycle is way too fast as well. I find it a little ironic really, Scott wanted to ignore AVP with his movies but he unwittingly followed them in certain ways.
i feel a bit bad for Decker Shado he raged so hard.
@The Cruentus
I believe we've discussed this and it was the consensus or conclusion that the speed of embryo impregnation wasn't an issue.
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=60415.0
https://avp.wikia.com/wiki/John_Marachuk
Considering TCF and the W-Y Report and the nature of John J Marachuk's death, it's hardly a contradiction.
Quote from: Xan21 on Sep 15, 2018, 09:34:17 AM
Chris Stuckman is right... about everything.
One thing's for sure, Chris Stuckman saw the same movie I did and wow, I completely agree with his review. I'm also very disappointed.
The movie had no cohesive narrative. It was literally just scenes pasted together. I mean holy shit, I defend Aliens vs Predator: Requiem because I honestly don't think it is as bad a movie as many make it out to be. However The Predator makes less sense to me than that movie. It is the worst Predator movie. Predator is granted "greatest of all time" accord in my honest opinion. Both Predator 2 and Predators are very good movies. However The Predator is a D+ film.
Then again, for a video game movie, it's not that bad.
Can't really trust in what Chris stuckmann says he also gave the last jedi an A-
so yeah there went all that credibility out the window
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Can't really trust in what Chris stuckmann says he also gave the last jedi an A-
so yeah there went all that credibility out the window
The Last Jedi is an awful movie but it had top notch production values and besides, no ones perfect. I'm sure Disney threatened him too. :P
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Can't really trust in what Chris stuckmann says he also gave the last jedi an A-
so yeah there went all that credibility out the window
The Last Jedi is an awful movie but it had top notch production values and besides, no ones perfect. I'm sure Disney threatened him too. :P
Well rian Johnson ruined star wars so it couldn't really have gone any worse than it did for the last jedi
And because of what happened we saw the after effects with Han solo it bombed completely.
I repeat "from my perspective" and there wasn't really a consensus or a conclusion, only two people out of five or more said they didn't have a problem with it, the others didn't comment on that matter and while I still have a problem with it, I simply have not commented back yet. Also I don't think we get to vote if something is a problem or not because if something is contradicting something, then it is an issue even if minor and even others don't mind it. Of course it is subjective as well.
It is safe to say there is plenty of people that have a problem with it, it is likely that just after multiple movies and media depicting it, they gave up mentioning it because what is the point? Fox, Scott and whomever will do what they want regardless of fan expectations or previous movies. I myself feel like what's the point in mentioning this stuff when it is more than likely the next film will do just the same thing if not worse.
I never said his death was a contradiction, Marachuk was comatose and therefor under the effects of the paralytic, removing the hugger at that point would kill the host. Lope was not unconscious, he was litterally impregnated instantly within seconds which is what contradicts the events of Aliens. Those two facehuggers that attack Ripley and Newt should have already impregnated Marachuk and that other colonist if they had the ability to instantly implant a host and thus they should not have been alive for burke to use.
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Can't really trust in what Chris stuckmann says he also gave the last jedi an A-
so yeah there went all that credibility out the window
The Last Jedi is an awful movie but it had top notch production values and besides, no ones perfect. I'm sure Disney threatened him too. :P
Well rian Johnson ruined star wars so it couldn't really have gone any worse than it did for the last jedi
And because of what happened we saw the after effects with Han solo it bombed completely.
Some fans hated the idea of a Solo movie without Ford, way before TLJ though and the marketing was crap, which was a shame because it was actually a decent movie, also TLJ is currently the best selling blu-ray of 2018, so it's not as hated as some people think it is.
Just like Iron-Man 3, TLJ isn't liked by some people (Vocal Minority) but it's not universally hated, certainly not enough to stop a lot of people buying the blu-ray, plus all the good reviews and tons of money it made.
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I repeat "from my perspective" and there wasn't really a consensus or a conclusion, only two people out of five or more said they didn't have a problem with it, the others didn't comment on that matter and while I still have a problem with it, I simply have not commented back yet. Also I don't think we get to vote if something is a problem or not because if something is contradicting something, then it is an issue even if minor and even others don't mind it. Of course it is subjective as well.
It is safe to say there is plenty of people that have a problem with it, it is likely that just after multiple movies and media depicting it, they gave up mentioning it because what is the point? Fox, Scott and whomever will do what they want regardless of fan expectations or previous movies. I myself feel like what's the point in mentioning this stuff when it is more than likely the next film will do just the same thing if not worse.
I never said his death was a contradiction, Marachuk was comatose and therefor under the effects of the paralytic, removing the hugger at that point would kill the host. Lope was not unconscious, he was litterally impregnated instantly within seconds which is what contradicts the events of Aliens. Those two facehuggers that attack Ripley and Newt should have already impregnated Marachuk and that other colonist if they had the ability to instantly implant a host and thus they should not have been alive for burke to use.
Well scott dont care about any other alien movie, while other directors follow the movies adding something he just did whatever he wanted, he dont even care about the first alien timeline and space jockey size...
Vocal minority? Most of people i know hate rhe movie, and it sell blue rays because collectionism, i have all marvel blue rays including iron man 3, but i never gonna see it again, like covenant, the torture and mental diarrea with those movis is to much for me
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Can't really trust in what Chris stuckmann says he also gave the last jedi an A-
so yeah there went all that credibility out the window
The Last Jedi is an awful movie but it had top notch production values and besides, no ones perfect. I'm sure Disney threatened him too. :P
Well rian Johnson ruined star wars so it couldn't really have gone any worse than it did for the last jedi
And because of what happened we saw the after effects with Han solo it bombed completely.
Some fans hated the idea of a Solo movie without Ford, way before TLJ though and the marketing was crap, which was a shame because it was actually a decent movie, also TLJ is currently the best selling blu-ray of 2018, so it's not as hated as some people think it is.
Just like Iron-Man 3, TLJ isn't liked by some people (Vocal Minority) but it's not universally hated, certainly not enough to stop a lot of people buying the blu-ray, plus all the good reviews and tons of money it made.
yeah but if you look at the TLJ blu ray sales vs the force awakens its a huge letdown.
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Can't really trust in what Chris stuckmann says he also gave the last jedi an A-
so yeah there went all that credibility out the window
The Last Jedi is an awful movie but it had top notch production values and besides, no ones perfect. I'm sure Disney threatened him too. :P
Well rian Johnson ruined star wars so it couldn't really have gone any worse than it did for the last jedi
And because of what happened we saw the after effects with Han solo it bombed completely.
Some fans hated the idea of a Solo movie without Ford, way before TLJ though and the marketing was crap, which was a shame because it was actually a decent movie, also TLJ is currently the best selling blu-ray of 2018, so it's not as hated as some people think it is.
Just like Iron-Man 3, TLJ isn't liked by some people (Vocal Minority) but it's not universally hated, certainly not enough to stop a lot of people buying the blu-ray, plus all the good reviews and tons of money it made.
yeah but if you look at the TLJ blu ray sales vs the force awakens its a huge letdown.
Sure there are probably more people that hated TFA than TLJ, but still both still sold very well.
Personally I loved TLJ though (and Iron-Man 3) I didn't mind the direction it took, it was still a well made movie overall with some great performances from the cast, even if the script wasn't perfect.
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Can't really trust in what Chris stuckmann says he also gave the last jedi an A-
so yeah there went all that credibility out the window
The Last Jedi is an awful movie but it had top notch production values and besides, no ones perfect. I'm sure Disney threatened him too. :P
Well rian Johnson ruined star wars so it couldn't really have gone any worse than it did for the last jedi
And because of what happened we saw the after effects with Han solo it bombed completely.
Some fans hated the idea of a Solo movie without Ford, way before TLJ though and the marketing was crap, which was a shame because it was actually a decent movie, also TLJ is currently the best selling blu-ray of 2018, so it's not as hated as some people think it is.
Just like Iron-Man 3, TLJ isn't liked by some people (Vocal Minority) but it's not universally hated, certainly not enough to stop a lot of people buying the blu-ray, plus all the good reviews and tons of money it made.
yeah but if you look at the TLJ blu ray sales vs the force awakens its a huge letdown.
Sure there are probably more people that hated TFA than TLJ, but still both still sold very well.
Personally I loved TLJ though (and Iron-Man 3) I didn't mind the direction it took, it was still a well made movie overall with some great performances from the cast, even if the script wasn't perfect.
that's fair enough im not the one to speak hehe i really enjoyed the predator ( gave it a solid 9 out of 10) so i understand.
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Can't really trust in what Chris stuckmann says he also gave the last jedi an A-
so yeah there went all that credibility out the window
The Last Jedi is an awful movie but it had top notch production values and besides, no ones perfect. I'm sure Disney threatened him too. :P
Well rian Johnson ruined star wars so it couldn't really have gone any worse than it did for the last jedi
And because of what happened we saw the after effects with Han solo it bombed completely.
Some fans hated the idea of a Solo movie without Ford, way before TLJ though and the marketing was crap, which was a shame because it was actually a decent movie, also TLJ is currently the best selling blu-ray of 2018, so it's not as hated as some people think it is.
Just like Iron-Man 3, TLJ isn't liked by some people (Vocal Minority) but it's not universally hated, certainly not enough to stop a lot of people buying the blu-ray, plus all the good reviews and tons of money it made.
yeah but if you look at the TLJ blu ray sales vs the force awakens its a huge letdown.
Sure there are probably more people that hated TFA than TLJ, but still both still sold very well.
Personally I loved TLJ though (and Iron-Man 3) I didn't mind the direction it took, it was still a well made movie overall with some great performances from the cast, even if the script wasn't perfect.
that's fair enough im not the one to speak hehe i really enjoyed the predator ( gave it a solid 9 out of 10) so i understand.
Haha, no worries we all have different tastes and I also had a blast with The Predator, so I'm with you on that one.
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Can't really trust in what Chris stuckmann says he also gave the last jedi an A-
so yeah there went all that credibility out the window
The Last Jedi is an awful movie but it had top notch production values and besides, no ones perfect. I'm sure Disney threatened him too. :P
Well rian Johnson ruined star wars so it couldn't really have gone any worse than it did for the last jedi
And because of what happened we saw the after effects with Han solo it bombed completely.
Some fans hated the idea of a Solo movie without Ford, way before TLJ though and the marketing was crap, which was a shame because it was actually a decent movie, also TLJ is currently the best selling blu-ray of 2018, so it's not as hated as some people think it is.
Just like Iron-Man 3, TLJ isn't liked by some people (Vocal Minority) but it's not universally hated, certainly not enough to stop a lot of people buying the blu-ray, plus all the good reviews and tons of money it made.
yeah but if you look at the TLJ blu ray sales vs the force awakens its a huge letdown.
Sure there are probably more people that hated TFA than TLJ, but still both still sold very well.
Personally I loved TLJ though (and Iron-Man 3) I didn't mind the direction it took, it was still a well made movie overall with some great performances from the cast, even if the script wasn't perfect.
that's fair enough im not the one to speak hehe i really enjoyed the predator ( gave it a solid 9 out of 10) so i understand.
Haha, no worries we all have different tastes and I also had a blast with The Predator, so I'm with you on that one.
I enjoyed iron man 3, it was cool to see something different.
but IM sorry I cannot support you on the last jedi ( it broke my heart) :'(
I guarantee more people hated TLJ than TFA.
After people complained about TFA being too safe and a copy of ANH, I guess they wanted to shake it up and go in unexpected directions. Part of the reason I liked it really.
Rey not being related to old characters (unless they alter that in the next one, but that would be cliché, so hopefully that sticks) Leia using The Force, Snoke dying out of nowhere, Kylo and Rey vs the Praetorian Guards, so awesome and then Luke trolling kylo at the end was genius.
The parallel between IM3, TLJ and The Predator being that they are toying with peoples expectations. And so far I like TLJ a whole lot better than how the other two treated established characters...
TFA was too safe, but competent and featured charismatic characters and the sequel was expected to expand upon them, the timeframe, world, flesh out the nuances and the conflict. TLJ failed to do that, or anything unique that had not been done in a superior manner elsewhere.
TFA is actively made worse by how TLJ handled the new era and it's characters.
The "it's different so it's good" argument doesn't wash with me, I've seen more than several divisive films that were good or outright masterpieces.
TLJ doesn't even make it to mediocre.
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I guarantee more people hated TLJ than TFA.
Absolutely. No-brainer.
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i feel a bit bad for Decker Shado he raged so hard.
Yeah, you can tell he's truly passionate about movies.
"Plenty of people love the original Predator, but you'd be hard pressed to find truly devoted fans of the Predator franchise. The series, such that it is, survives almost entirely on the strength and popularity of the original film.The Predator does nothing to alter this dynamic."
http://reason.com/blog/2018/09/13/predator-shane-black-mctiernan-movie
Angry Joe's reviews. Non-spoiler and then spoiler video.
"quad-mandibles that make up its mouth were suggested by James Cameron,"
OK that's interesting . So Cameron had a hand in the predator design.
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"quad-mandibles that make up its mouth were suggested by James Cameron,"
OK that's interesting . So Cameron had a hand in the predator design.
Cameron said mandibles, not how many and how.
And if this is new to you in 2018, you're fresh of the boat to this fandom.
Olivia munn was a pointless character probably the worst written one to boot. She went from being a science teacher to a real biologist scientist to a gung ho athletic mercenary and apparently teleports lmao. This movie is a weird mess it's bad from a technical and structure built movie. The plots get tangled worse than a game of twister and replaced with different pieces of this film. The fugitive has a huge ass Dopey looking head and looks dumb with its mouth open 24/7. You can tell it had a different role but patched it out to be bringing a gift but kills anyone on sight. It's a 50/50 split tbh. You can like it if you throw logic and common sense out the window. But as a predator film it's a joke literally it's so bad It's funny like the room lol. They shot themselves on the foot pushing the upgrade predator to be the baddest and the strongest only to die cause a mentally ill boy who can read a alien language right and help kill it and olivia going commando on it lmao. Seriously??? You tell people are in denial that it's a bad movie cause it is. but the shit so stupid it's funny I imagine this can pass as a waynes brother movie. And don't get me started on the dogs and the retcon on the cloaking that was straight trash. Honestly fox should of let this movie come out as it was originally and shane black should never bother with predator again cause this movie was worse than your pussy jokes. Lol it's a mindless butchered action comedy with predators in it lol. Oh and The iron pred suit with 8 lasers was whack too.
As soon as I saw that many targeting lasers and other shit I was like Han Solo in TFA... "That's not how it works"
I think that after the reception of the dna idea, shane black tought, what a mess i done... Then they reshooted all, and its like trying to repare something you painted and ended worse, and he went to the "its a clan doing that", its a clan who is angry with earth and all those lies that are not in the movie..
What a mess I done. Whack.
Speaking of whack, I think somebody was doing some smack while writing this film.
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Olivia munn was a pointless character probably the worst written one to boot. She went from being a science teacher to a real biologist scientist to a gung ho athletic mercenary and apparently teleports lmao. This movie is a weird mess it's bad from a technical and structure built movie. The plots get tangled worse than a game of twister and replaced with different pieces of this film. The fugitive has a huge ass Dopey looking head and looks dumb with its mouth open 24/7. You can tell it had a different role but patched it out to be bringing a gift but kills anyone on sight. It's a 50/50 split tbh. You can like it if you throw logic and common sense out the window. But as a predator film it's a joke literally it's so bad It's funny like the room lol. They shot themselves on the foot pushing the upgrade predator to be the baddest and the strongest only to die cause a mentally ill boy who can read a alien language right and help kill it and olivia going commando on it lmao. Seriously??? You tell people are in denial that it's a bad movie cause it is. but the shit so stupid it's funny I imagine this can pass as a waynes brother movie. And don't get me started on the dogs and the retcon on the cloaking that was straight trash. Honestly fox should of let this movie come out as it was originally and shane black should never bother with predator again cause this movie was worse than your pussy jokes. Lol it's a mindless butchered action comedy with predators in it lol. Oh and The iron pred suit with 8 lasers was whack too.
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i woulden't say munns character was pointless i would give that title to keys son instead he had nothing to do at all.
The most pointless inclusion in the film are the hounds.
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The most pointless inclusion in the film are the hounds.
i have to agree with you the dog that got shot in the face was extremly pointless
All the hounds, not just the companion.
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i woulden't say munns character was pointless i would give that title to keys son instead he had nothing to do at all.
Wasted potential indeed.
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i woulden't say munns character was pointless i would give that title to keys son instead he had nothing to do at all.
Wasted potential indeed.
The funny thing is, for such a small role that he had, I really enjoyed what I saw. There was something about his jovial enthusiasm that just made me smile. I don't think he died, right?
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i woulden't say munns character was pointless i would give that title to keys son instead he had nothing to do at all.
Wasted potential indeed.
The funny thing is, for such a small role that he had, I really enjoyed what I saw. There was something about his jovial enthusiasm that just made me smile. I don't think he died, right?
I really liked Busy in this, too. It was cool how they made him seem chill and pretty grounded, basically opposite of Keyes in P2. He definitely didn't die.
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i woulden't say munns character was pointless i would give that title to keys son instead he had nothing to do at all.
Wasted potential indeed.
The funny thing is, for such a small role that he had, I really enjoyed what I saw. There was something about his jovial enthusiasm that just made me smile. I don't think he died, right?
I really liked Busy in this, too. It was cool how they made him seem chill and pretty grounded, basically opposite of Keyes in P2. He definitely didn't die.
Good to know :) I wouldn't mind seeing his character repurposed in some way.
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i woulden't say munns character was pointless i would give that title to keys son instead he had nothing to do at all.
Wasted potential indeed.
The funny thing is, for such a small role that he had, I really enjoyed what I saw. There was something about his jovial enthusiasm that just made me smile. I don't think he died, right?
I really liked Busy in this, too. It was cool how they made him seem chill and pretty grounded, basically opposite of Keyes in P2. He definitely didn't die.
Good to know :) I wouldn't mind seeing his character repurposed in some way.
He definitely should be in the sequel if there is one.
If this is it though, it should have been him in that ending scene with the suit or they should have at least cut him in half like his dad, when Fugitives escapes from Stargazer.
This guy made some good points. If you're gonna hire Shane Black, you gotta let him do his thing. I think this movie really suffered from studio meddling.
Im gonna thank the studio for cutting things like predator spiders....
If only they could have cut the dogs as well. Or at least changed them to the hounds from Predators.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft4Xtr-LwuE
This guy made some good points. If you're gonna hire Shane Black, you gotta let him do his thing. I think this movie really suffered from studio meddling.
No doubt about it, Fox basically did an Alien 3 again.
Maybe if Disney decide to carry on the Alien and Predator franchises, they might do a better job because it would be hard to treat worse than what Fox have.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft4Xtr-LwuE
This guy made some good points. If you're gonna hire Shane Black, you gotta let him do his thing. I think this movie really suffered from studio meddling.
No doubt about it, Fox basically did an Alien 3 again.
Maybe if Disney decide to carry on the Alien and Predator franchises, they might do a better job because it would be hard to treat worse than what Fox have.
as long lucasfilm stays out of it. :D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft4Xtr-LwuE
This guy made some good points. If you're gonna hire Shane Black, you gotta let him do his thing. I think this movie really suffered from studio meddling.
No doubt about it, Fox basically did an Alien 3 again.
Maybe if Disney decide to carry on the Alien and Predator franchises, they might do a better job because it would be hard to treat worse than what Fox have.
as long lucasfilm stays out of it. :D
Jar Jar vs Predator, you know you want to see it. :D
Thought the entire movie was a jumbled mess.
Why people complaint mostly about the studio when cheesy and forced jokes are Shane's department (I hate Kiss Kiss Bang Bang humour). Did studio interfere into silly dialogues (again, jokes) and lack of characters' development? I doubt. Also studio gave Shane extra money for re shoots. I don't get why fans whinge about studio if everyone knows they can be incompetent as f**k. They green-lit AvP movies. That tells you everything about state of their minds. Sure, they interfere (Alien: Covenant) but it's also Shane's fault why this movie is so poorly received.
I for one completely loathe Ironman 3. So I am willing to give Fox Studios the benefit of the doubt. Even had they stayed entirely hands-off during the entire film making, this would have still turned into a complete Shane Black style Movie with a Predator. With even more terrible decisions, had they stuck to the original 3rd act. In my opinion, there was no salvaging this Movie, when the problems with it started in the inception stages.
The shortest The Predator review on YouTube!
What I dig more than coal is the debate generated by movies like The Predator. It certainly makes things interesting.
Yes, the Professor is back! Best review!
Hah, I love Professor's reviews. Sarcasm at its best ;D
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Olivia munn was a pointless character probably the worst written one to boot. She went from being a science teacher to a real biologist scientist to a gung ho athletic mercenary and apparently teleports lmao. This movie is a weird mess it's bad from a technical and structure built movie. The plots get tangled worse than a game of twister and replaced with different pieces of this film. The fugitive has a huge ass Dopey looking head and looks dumb with its mouth open 24/7. You can tell it had a different role but patched it out to be bringing a gift but kills anyone on sight. It's a 50/50 split tbh. You can like it if you throw logic and common sense out the window. But as a predator film it's a joke literally it's so bad It's funny like the room lol. They shot themselves on the foot pushing the upgrade predator to be the baddest and the strongest only to die cause a mentally ill boy who can read a alien language right and help kill it and olivia going commando on it lmao. Seriously??? You tell people are in denial that it's a bad movie cause it is. but the shit so stupid it's funny I imagine this can pass as a waynes brother movie. And don't get me started on the dogs and the retcon on the cloaking that was straight trash. Honestly fox should of let this movie come out as it was originally and shane black should never bother with predator again cause this movie was worse than your pussy jokes. Lol it's a mindless butchered action comedy with predators in it lol. Oh and The iron pred suit with 8 lasers was whack too.
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Yeah, the kid was a plot device and Munn (what was her name character again? besides "sunshine") was a Mary Sue that just could do everything. And Busey character had no reason to be there. I could make a long list of flaws but it is pointless.
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Yeah, the kid was a plot device and Munn (what was her name character again? besides "sunshine") was a Mary Sue that just could do everything. And Busey character had no reason to be there. I could make a long list of flaws but it is pointless.
Busey was used to reference some connection with the past movies, sadly it didn't make any difference due to how short it was, they should have made him take Traeger place or something.
Saw the movie this evening. Wow. One of worst movies I've ever seen, if not the worst. Wanted to get up and leave halfway through. What a shame, just leaves sour taste after ground-breaking original and excellent Predators. Similar to how Covenant burried Alien franchise last year
Pitty
Was going to post chris stuckmann's review but having just gone back a few pages, someone one already did. It is a short review but the guy does nail the points.
Covenant didn't bury Alien, on the contrary the upcoming list of media is as large and worthwhile as it's ever been.
Covenant was fine. Not the best, not the worst.
It seems like The Predator is The Last Jedi of 2018.
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It seems like The Predator is The Last Jedi of 2018.
I liked both, but for opposing reasons.
You liked both? OK. Fine. Ehh ... you have a right to like anything you want.
The Predator Review begins at 21:52.
I clapped, I clapped! My favourite hack frauds and they are right about everything. Pity Rich Evans wasn't part of this one, too.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJhq450Fjl4
In a way i'm glad the movie was as bad as it was otherwise we wouldnt have Decker Shados going absolute ape-shit review and this cracker to enjoy also, when this guy breaks it down the way he does it really makes you face-palm.
If you enjoy that, more power to you.
I enjoyed the movie but let's face it: reshoots killed this film. The predator killer was so forced; why would fugitive need to put a wrist gauntlet in a man sized pod? Why didn't he just put the damn thing on his wrist? He'd be unstoppable if he used it but instead, he just lets it crash with the ship so he can look for it later. Some think the pod was originally meant for dutch, I'm starting to think it was.
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why would fugitive need to put a wrist gauntlet in a man sized pod? Why didn't he just put the damn thing on his wrist? He'd be unstoppable if he used it but instead, he just lets it crash with the ship so he can look for it later.
Good point.
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I enjoyed the movie but let's face it: reshoots killed this film. The predator killer was so forced; why would fugitive need to put a wrist gauntlet in a man sized pod? Why didn't he just put the damn thing on his wrist? He'd be unstoppable if he used it but instead, he just lets it crash with the ship so he can look for it later. Some think the pod was originally meant for dutch, I'm starting to think it was.
Would you really prefer Predators in human clothes palling around with them on the base?
I just watched this again to try and work out a date for it and everything after the 80 minute mark wasn't as bad as I remembered. It's not brilliant by any stretch, but I can now see why Casey was able to catch up (as the ship was effectively flying in a circle). Traeger was more of a cartoonishly dumb character than the first watch right up to his cartoonishly dumb death. Nebraska's death I still can't work out - I know he had a death wish but I don't get why he seemed to be coughing up blood.
So, ending still pretty dopey. Stuff about autism pretty dopey - but also barely discussed (Rory simultaneously being frightened of and liking dogs was - I dunno). Fugitive Predator anticlimactic. But I think the charisma and performances of the cast ultimately makes this decent enough flick despite the problems.
Rory's characterisation is like having a paraplegic get up and walk during scenes where their disability would be inconvenient.
Not to mention the whole savant cliche, not all autistic people are brilliant at certain things, some are fairly average or even below in some cases. Its a spectrum and while there are similar qualities, autistic people can be as different from one another as any other person is to another.
I remember when first reading about this movie and it mentioned how this kid was able to use predator tech, that is when I started getting worried about what kind of film this was going to be.
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Nebraska's death I still can't work out - I know he had a death wish but I don't get why he seemed to be coughing up blood.
I thought it was somehow caused by height and lack of oxygen or something
They were barely above the treetops. Maybe it's something to do with the shield - but I rewound it a few times and couldn't figure it out.
And another thing - why, when the Predator issued the challenge to MAC-KENNA, didn't they just drive away?
When this movie was in development, Shane kept saying he's "bringing the mystery back" and how a Predator movie needs to be scary. None of that is in the movie, so what the hell was he talking about?
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When this movie was in development, Shane kept saying he's "bringing the mystery back" and how a Predator movie needs to be scary. None of that is in the movie, so what the hell was he talking about?
It's called promoting your own movie
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When this movie was in development, Shane kept saying he's "bringing the mystery back" and how a Predator movie needs to be scary. None of that is in the movie, so what the hell was he talking about?
It's called promoting your own movie
Its called lying
As you wish
Kradan be like.....
Wut you say about my movie?!!
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Yeah. Better not risking your health and life for that
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Kradan be like.....
Wut you say about my movie?!!
https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2019/01/1ee6aedcf66799c9-600x338.jpg
I just noticed all the three-dot sights (Lasers? Not sure the 'technical' term) all over the traps/shoulders of the suit as well as the guns themselves. Someone was super giddy about having all those red sight lasers in a single suit.
But that damn suit...smh.
Scary, but not in a good way me thinks.. :-\
It's absolutely THE WORST scene in entire franchise! I can't image what were they thinking, writing such thing!
Quote from: Master on Jul 01, 2020, 10:24:35 PM
It's absolutely THE WORST scene in entire franchise! I can't image what were they thinking, writing such thing!
They had to end the movie is what happened. They wanted Arnold, his people said no and we ended up with the suit. It was that or time-travelling Ripley or Newt.
The script ended in the forest after killing the Upgrade. Everything else was tacked on.
I didn't really mind the suit ending. It looked hokey because the pod was obviously meant to be holding a person, but the concept didn't bug me as such.
The underlying concept of "a suit designed to kill Predators", I didn't mind.
"Small child working at a government organisation translating alien languages and the suit looking like something out of a Marvel movie while characters crack lame jokes," well.
It was defo a bit too Iron Man. Could've taken a different route there. And Rory overall was just inconsistent.
The lame joke was in keeping with the rest of the film.
This whole scene feels so much like Predator parody that, ironicly, it makes rest of the film almost looks serious. Ironman style transformation is one thing, but sole over the top look of that thing is almost like punch in guts.
Not a big fan of the suit execution at the end, but overall I thought it was a fun watch :)
I'm watching this movie as I write this. I've enjoyed it every time I watched it. Only thing I would change is keep fugitive in longer. But I had so much fun with this. I thought the one liners were great.
https://youtu.be/P3ALwKeSEYs (https://youtu.be/P3ALwKeSEYs)
:laugh:
The suit looks ok. Granted I was hoping a bit more other than oversized plasma cannons and super large wristblades but I didn't mind the overall concept. Just help further the fact that Predators are highly advanced and didn't stagnate on their technology. Those multiple laser sightings with only two plasma cannons look stupid though, its like having multiple laser sights on one rifle.
I do fully expect the suit to be included somehow in a Iron Man crossover when Marvel starts publishing Predator comics. Don't know about the thought of it honestly but at this point, eh, The Predator already did high damage to the series so.....
Thank the Predator Gods that Predator Hunting Grounds was already set in motion! The damage has been greatly minimized thanks to partially that game, and The Predator itself being so light and subsequently forgettable. :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Oct 18, 2020, 04:55:27 PM
Thank the Predator Gods that Predator Hunting Grounds was already set in motion! The damage has been greatly minimized thanks to partially that game, and The Predator itself being so light and subsequently forgettable. :)
It is just the matter of how it will address the questions that The Predator added; What happened to the suit? What happened to Quinn and his son? What has become of the body of the Upgrade and Fugitive? What is the motive of the hostile bad blood clan that sent out Upgrade to hunt down Fugitive and Quinn's son and will they try again? Is there really going to be some kind of war or just error in logistics/research done by Stargazer, as Dutch commented on their inexperience of the Predator's race and motives?
I feel like at least these are interesting enough for it to be explored more in the future and I hope Hunting Grounds will cover at least some of this.
f**k that, ignore everything "The Predator" did, ignore "Predators" and let's go forward with one of the many anthologies they could make to bring the series back, a bit gimmicky but like Pirates, Civil War, Vikings, Sparta (my idea), or Japan, maybe even the future
Let's let the final Alien Prequel come out and pray that it brings that franchise back from the dirt as well, then... move forward with AVP, but don't f**k it up this time :-\
Quote from: Tichinde on Oct 18, 2020, 09:24:49 PM
f**k that, ignore everything "The Predator" did, ignore "Predators" and let's go forward with one of the many anthologies they could make to bring the series back, a bit gimmicky but like Pirates, Civil War, Vikings, Sparta (my idea), or Japan, maybe even the future
Let's let the final Alien Prequel come out and pray that it brings that franchise back from the dirt as well, then... move forward with AVP, but don't f**k it up this time :-\
I'm more likely to agree with you on The Predator than Predators. Predators wasn't a perfect film but it didn't go against established lore in a negative way. Exiled bad bloods that defies the Honor code that kidnaps prey and takes them to a private game preserve planet for their own version of a hunt? Just wasn't the best written film.
Yeah, you can trash The Predator all you want by don't talk like that about Predators 'cause it doesn't deserve it
Everything about the way Rory was written brought the movie down.
I understand that Shane Black likes to contrast the innocence of kids with super violent situations but the whole "being on the spectrum is an evolutionary advantage" thing was laughable.
That said: Liked the cast and a fair bunch of the characters. Some jokes landed. Appreciated how the movie was fairly violent but found it weird how little of the violence actually felt impactful (definitely due to the overrelliance on cgi blood).
Lots of dodgy directorial choices with some properly bad shot composition and boring cinematography. Soundtrack seemed to have been done ridiculously fast and brings nothing memorable.
Not against the concept of an "action comedy" take on this series... but this was just too much of an incoherent mess of a story.
(Predator Killer suit being hastily done cgi didn't do the whole concept any favors.... that soon-to-be-released statue looks great, though.)
Re-watching it now, and I can say the way it's been cut is shocking.
I appreciate they went through development hell, and re-writes and re-shoots; but the way it just hops from scene to scene is poor. Particularly the introduction of Olivia Munn's character. Now, I know there were external factors to that scene (wasn't that the part with the guy who got done for sexual offences?) but it starts the scene with her looking scared for no apparent reason then the MIB turn up. Then oh look aliens. Then cut back to the kid.
It's so jarring it's untrue.
The best is the interrogation scene in the barn, where all the important expository dialogue is delivered off-camera so that they didn't have to reshoot the scene with the actors saying new lines.
Could use an extended cut.
Wouldn't miraculously save the film but would definitely make it easier to digest. (without the aid of a few beers).
For some reason I woke up in the middle of the night at the weekend and had a big rant at myself in my head about how much I hate this movie. I think I'd rather watch AVP:R than this (even though I wouldn't be able to see anything).
Just as a movie it's bad. With dialogue that would even make Kevin Smith blush, a forced in kid character that and some pretty questionable CGI.
But as a Predator movie it's an absolute slap in the face to the franchise thus far (on the upside it made me appreciate Predators much more). Now I say this as a Predator film fan, I don't get into the Extended Universe stuff, but in terms of the character/mythos presented by the previous movies, The Predator is just insulting. Aside from the random giant predator, the stupid DNA BS, the horrible introduction and use of the 'camouflage ball', the random predator dog things that could have just as easily matched the design as Predators for some continuity and the sad misuse and underuse of Jake Busey's character the two biggest problems with it are the ending and the use of a CGI predator.
For me, once you get to a point that the Predator can't be played by someone in a suit you are getting away from the spirit of the movies. I'm not against the idea of a bigger predator, perhaps using forced perspective etc (seeing as humans come in all shapes and sizes) but not this 3 times the size CGI monstrosity.
As for that ending. It's like something a 10 year old scribbled on some paper after watching 1 too many episodes of GI Joe.
Does it have any redeeming qualities? I guess the actual physically done predator looks decent enough but that is actually about it.
Hopefully going forward if new movies do indeed get made, they just ignore the existence of The Predator
...andddd exhale... I feel much better now :D
sigh
You finished ?
Rewatched 'The Predator' last night for the first time since seeing it in the theatre, I actually liked it more the second time around. Don't get me wrong, there's still some dumb shit I can't stand (the "taking skulls for their spinal fluid" shit, or the autism stuff) and some decisions I think weren't wise (like abruptly killing off the Fugitive Predator), but I don't regret buying it and I don't regret re-watching it.
I'll take that
At this point, I won't argue that. Still like the movie though
It wasn't my favorite in the franchise, but I think I'll give it another watch.
It's still mindless fun to me with a few beers.
Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Mar 23, 2021, 11:56:04 AM
It wasn't my favorite in the franchise, but I think I'll give it another watch.
Careful, you might like it ;D
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Quote from: AliceApocalypse on Mar 23, 2021, 11:56:04 AM
It wasn't my favorite in the franchise, but I think I'll give it another watch.
Careful, you might like it ;D
SShhh.... I already do like it :-[
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I watched the Predator this morning, my thoughts have evolved somewhat
The main issue I has was that all the others are tense action movies, the Predator doesn't work at all if you approach it from that perspective, it's clearly a comedy. and it is quite funny. the Loonies especially are a very entertaining bunch
The designs of both Predators are very nice too
The violence is quite excellent imo, the blood splatter may sometimes be over the top but maybe that's realistic, I've never seen someone get sliced in half before. There were parts that when I saw it the first time, I found a bit shocking. Notably when the 3 guys in that car get their heads chopped off.
Traeger was an excellent villain, he seemed to enjoy his job so much, it's a pity about his death scene though, I don't know whether it was caseys intention to make him shoot himself or not.
When you look at it as a comedy, the autism stuff doesn't feel so stupid.
The only scenes which I found a bit cringey were the first one where you see the child, that was mainly the music they chose and the final scene, although I can't pinpoint why yet.
One thing I found to be a little strange was the shield on the ship, I've grown up with Dr Who and Star wars, I always viewed shields as a strange kind of fluidish substance which blocks or dissolves lasers and bullets, in this one it was more a solid wall.
Agreed with pretty much everything you said. Movie clearly goes for a more comedic tone and one's enjoyment of the movie depends entirely on whether or not one can go along with such tone. I can dig comedy in a Predator movie 'cause I've never seen Predator as a "scary" monster. More like "cool" monster
the only time I found Predators to be scary was the night after watching the 1st film for the 1st time when a 3d poster fell on my head, it made a sound just like the shoulder cannon.
I can definitely see what they were going for here. And for me I love it. Yeah you could change small things. Overall I love it and want to see something like it again one day.
The Predator has its moments. My favorite is the boy who wears the Pred Bio mask going to a door to trick or treat and a mean teen throws a beer can at him and the masks has a Plasmacaster that fires back. That was a goldeb moment.
The Scene:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HjMJ1X7pcKs
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 12, 2021, 08:42:18 AM
The Predator has its moments. My favorite is the boy who wears the Pred Bio mask going to a door to trick or treat and a mean teen throws a beer can at him and the masks has a Plasmacaster that fires back. That was a goldeb moment.
Except that's really weird for plasmacaster to function that way. Predators just have to walk around and the thing kills everything on autopilot?
Quote from: overthere on Jul 31, 2021, 08:08:27 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 12, 2021, 08:42:18 AM
The Predator has its moments. My favorite is the boy who wears the Pred Bio mask going to a door to trick or treat and a mean teen throws a beer can at him and the masks has a Plasmacaster that fires back. That was a goldeb moment.
Yeah, that thing was such overkill. Let's just hope visual language and gadgets of The Predator are not here to stay.
Except that's really weird for plasmacaster to function that way. Predators just have to walk around and the thing kills everything on autopilot?
Quote from: overthere on Jul 31, 2021, 08:08:27 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 12, 2021, 08:42:18 AM
The Predator has its moments. My favorite is the boy who wears the Pred Bio mask going to a door to trick or treat and a mean teen throws a beer can at him and the masks has a Plasmacaster that fires back. That was a goldeb moment.
Except that's really weird for plasmacaster to function that way. Predators just have to walk around and the thing kills everything on autopilot?
True. I thought of it more as an emergency caster, the regular plasmacaster needing tri-dot target.
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 12, 2021, 08:42:18 AM
The Predator has its moments. My favorite is the boy who wears the Pred Bio mask going to a door to trick or treat and a mean teen throws a beer can at him and the masks has a Plasmacaster that fires back. That was a goldeb moment.
The Scene:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HjMJ1X7pcKs
Nah it was extremely dumb and made zero sense. Its like a child was allowed to right that movie and put every childish nonsensical idea they came up with in it.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Oct 14, 2021, 11:53:24 PM
Quote from: City Hunter Yautja on Jul 12, 2021, 08:42:18 AM
The Predator has its moments. My favorite is the boy who wears the Pred Bio mask going to a door to trick or treat and a mean teen throws a beer can at him and the masks has a Plasmacaster that fires back. That was a goldeb moment.
The Scene:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HjMJ1X7pcKs
Nah it was extremely dumb and made zero sense. Its like a child was allowed to right that movie and put every childish nonsensical idea they came up with in it.
I thought it was funny. But yes it breaks from Predator, Predator 2, and Predators in terms of doing a gimmick that is funny but is not the norm for Pred films.
Where was the mask plasma caster when Fugitive needed it to stay alive against the Assassin? Or was it a different mask (that looked the same) but behaved differently?