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Blu-ray.com forum user CRS who previous posted several preview images from the Prometheus Bluray menu, has now kindly provided us with an exclusive description of the alternate scene for Prometheus called “Paradise”. This scene will be featured in the upcoming Blu-ray release of the film and lasts for 5:20 minutes. Read below to find CRS comments on the scene:

“This extended scene reveals new information about the engineer homeworld as well as some alternate dialogue between Shaw and David. Note that one of Ridley Scott’s original titles for the film was Paradise and it was even maintained as a cover title for secrecy during production.

It’s basically Shaw and David talking while she gets back on her feet and heads to the Juggernaut and David (his head on the ground). The dialogue alternates/extends somewhat from the film. The scene ends with Shaw putting David’s head in a bag and leaving the Juggernaut“

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As a scientist from Black Mesa would say: "As I expected"

There was never any need for Shaw to put David's head in a duffle bag.  The thing cannot feel as it is merely a machine.  She could've just as easily grabbed him by the hair and carried him around like that. 

Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 27, 2012, 10:54:03 PM
There was never any need for Shaw to put David's head in a duffle bag.  The thing cannot feel as it is merely a machine.  She could've just as easily grabbed him by the hair and carried him around like that.

There's no need to put books in a backpack. You can merely carry them by hand.

Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 27, 2012, 10:54:03 PM
There was never any need for Shaw to put David's head in a duffle bag.  The thing cannot feel as it is merely a machine.  She could've just as easily grabbed him by the hair and carried him around like that.

Looks pretty pained when he get's his head yanked off.

Quote from: Gash on Sep 27, 2012, 11:18:57 PM

Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 27, 2012, 10:54:03 PM
There was never any need for Shaw to put David's head in a duffle bag.  The thing cannot feel as it is merely a machine.  She could've just as easily grabbed him by the hair and carried him around like that.

Looks pretty pained when he get's his head yanked off.

I believe that would be applicable as being "surprise". No way in hell he feels any form of pain... and I mean why would they program that?

Quote from: Space Sweeper on Sep 27, 2012, 11:23:06 PM

Quote from: Gash on Sep 27, 2012, 11:18:57 PM

Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 27, 2012, 10:54:03 PM
There was never any need for Shaw to put David's head in a duffle bag.  The thing cannot feel as it is merely a machine.  She could've just as easily grabbed him by the hair and carried him around like that.

Looks pretty pained when he get's his head yanked off.

I believe that would be applicable as being "surprise". No way in hell he feels any form of pain... and I mean why would they program that?

More human than human, that's their motto ;)

Pain is a useful device for not hurting oneself pointlessly. I can relate David to Roy Batty, who ultimately needed pain to keep him going to the last moment of his life.

Not buying it.  There is simply no need and, realistically, no way to replicate the feeling of pain in a non-living organism.  The mere fact that David even resembles a human at all is to make other humans feel more comfortable around him.  This is a fact that even he admitted.  Of course, when something looks human and can appear to feel based on facial expressions, there is no doubt that it can create confusion.  Shaw could've just a easily kicked his head around like a soccer ball and it would've made no difference.

True I guess, but despite everything he's done I think she has a regard for him. If Holloway had survived to the end, yeah I can see him kicking David's head about.

Don't see why Shaw would act like such a bitch to David's head.

Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 27, 2012, 11:26:49 PM
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Quote from: DAVID on Sep 27, 2012, 11:57:58 PMNot so human i hope.

Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 27, 2012, 10:54:03 PM
There was never any need for Shaw to put David's head in a duffle bag.  The thing cannot feel as it is merely a machine.  She could've just as easily grabbed him by the hair and carried him around like that.

I would have thought it was more for her comfort than for his. Kind've awkward having a fully articulated head dangling around your crotch area.

Quote from: Space Sweeper on Sep 27, 2012, 11:23:06 PM

Quote from: Gash on Sep 27, 2012, 11:18:57 PM

Quote from: Ash 937 on Sep 27, 2012, 10:54:03 PM
There was never any need for Shaw to put David's head in a duffle bag.  The thing cannot feel as it is merely a machine.  She could've just as easily grabbed him by the hair and carried him around like that.

Looks pretty pained when he get's his head yanked off.

I believe that would be applicable as being "surprise". No way in hell he feels any form of pain... and I mean why would they program that?

Bishop clearly gave off an anguished groan as the queen's tail eviscerated him in "Aliens". I'd assume that when trying to create artificial intelligent, life that the idea is to duplicate any an all aspects of human experience as possible. The idea being, the more indistinguishable, the more you've succeeded. (Blade Runner's replicants clearly operate under this assumption)

QuoteThere is simply no need and, realistically, no way to replicate the feeling of pain in a non-living organism.

True - didn't stop Bishop writhing in synthetic pain when the Queen Bishkebabbed him, though.

QuoteThe mere fact that David even resembles a human at all is to make other humans feel more comfortable around him. 

A completely adequate reason to shove a head in a bag rather than carry it by the hair.

Quote from: SM on Sep 28, 2012, 06:16:54 AM

QuoteThere is simply no need and, realistically, no way to replicate the feeling of pain in a non-living organism.

True - didn't stop Bishop writhing in synthetic pain when the Queen Bishkebabbed him, though.

but remember what he said in alien3 before Ripley turned him off? "my leg hurts.........it hurts please turn me off" how about that?  ;D

its not a significant thing just trying to mess with ya

Even robots would have receptors that would tell them that something is wrong, or they need maintenance of some sort. A receptor that's programmed to be similar to the pain humans experience makes complete engineering sense,

It was established in both Alien and Aliens that that androids have physical feelings. They are obviously built that way - like it or  not.

Quote from: ShadowPred on Sep 27, 2012, 11:52:21 PM
Don't see why Shaw would act like such a bitch to David's head.

Maybe because he betrayed her and the crew with his double agenda with Weyland, and he didn't want to help her remove
the alien fetus growing inside her and just back-anesthetized-stabbed her instead.

oh, and he was also stalking her dreams.

no reason to be pissed  :laugh:

Quote from: Space Sweeper on Sep 27, 2012, 11:23:06 PM
I believe that would be applicable as being "surprise". No way in hell he feels any form of pain... and I mean why would they program that?

Because Ridley Scott, that's why.

There's a lot about David 8 which doesn't make much sense to design into what amounts to a manual labour device.

Quote from: Gash on Sep 27, 2012, 11:27:04 PM
Pain is a useful device for not hurting oneself pointlessly. I can relate David to Roy Batty, who ultimately needed pain to keep him going to the last moment of his life.

That's for organic beings, not machines. All those require is a programmed directive. They follow rules a lot more literally. :)

Quote from: ThisBethesdaSea on Sep 28, 2012, 01:07:41 PM
Even robots would have receptors that would tell them that something is wrong, or they need maintenance of some sort. A receptor that's programmed to be similar to the pain humans experience makes complete engineering sense,

Actual pain is different to just an self-diagnostics identification of malfunction. It's also a lot more difficult to simulate, one would imagine, which begs the question of why they'd even attempt to do such a thing in the first place.

As far as this paradise thing goes; does David know the difference between heaven and hell? Being that he is a robot I'm certain Paradise is going to be hell. :)

Quote from: Space Sweeper on Sep 27, 2012, 11:23:06 PM
I believe that would be applicable as being "surprise". No way in hell he feels any form of pain... and I mean why would they program that?

Did everybody just miss the entire dialogue exchange between David and Holloway about why he puts on the helmet?

Quote from: SiL on Sep 30, 2012, 12:19:42 AM

Quote from: Space Sweeper on Sep 27, 2012, 11:23:06 PM
I believe that would be applicable as being "surprise". No way in hell he feels any form of pain... and I mean why would they program that?

Did everybody just miss the entire dialogue exchange between David and Holloway about why he puts on the helmet?

Good point. It was sensory overload from having his head ripped off. In the extended scene he is even apologizing to weyland as his head hits the floor. The same thing happens to a lobster while being boiled alive. The lobster panics not due to pain but due to the fact that it is being boiled alive.

Quote from: SiL on Sep 30, 2012, 12:19:42 AM

Quote from: Space Sweeper on Sep 27, 2012, 11:23:06 PM
I believe that would be applicable as being "surprise". No way in hell he feels any form of pain... and I mean why would they program that?

Did everybody just miss the entire dialogue exchange between David and Holloway about why he puts on the helmet?

Feeling pain is a tad different than partaking in a basic safety measure.

Then the simple answer is he's programmed to mimic basic pain responses.

Quote from: SiL on Sep 30, 2012, 09:10:37 AM
Then the simple answer is he's programmed to mimic basic pain responses.

Agreed...

Quote from: SiL on Sep 30, 2012, 09:10:37 AMThen the simple answer is he's programmed to mimic basic pain responses.

And if programmed and articulated convincingly then there is absolutely no way that a human could tell the difference.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 30, 2012, 12:59:52 AM

Quote from: SiL on Sep 30, 2012, 12:19:42 AM

Quote from: Space Sweeper on Sep 27, 2012, 11:23:06 PM
I believe that would be applicable as being "surprise". No way in hell he feels any form of pain... and I mean why would they program that?

Did everybody just miss the entire dialogue exchange between David and Holloway about why he puts on the helmet?

Good point. It was sensory overload from having his head ripped off. In the extended scene he is even apologizing to weyland as his head hits the floor. The same thing happens to a lobster while being boiled alive. The lobster panics not due to pain but due to the fact that it is being boiled alive.

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Thank you, it makes much more sense that a lobster would have the ability to rationalize what's happening to it and panic, a much more advanced response, than react to the most basic of all nervous impulses, which would be pain.

Organisms without pain don't last very long, as "pain" is data that a nervous system sends to the brain about system damage.  There's a rare genetic disease in humans called CIPA (congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis) in which the development of the small nerve fibers which transmit pain messages is disrupted, and pain doesn't register as normal, including temperature variations.  This also leads to the body not activating certain pain-based measures, such as sweating.  This isn't a good thing.

Take it from Terminator when it said "the data may be called pain."  It's just data, and any functional android would require it to understand the limits of its own systems, though realistically an artificial person's pain threshold would be much different than ours.  Any reaction to this pain other than a defensive response would be clever programming to create empathy.

Lobsters, sweet Christ.

Quote from: SM on Sep 28, 2012, 06:16:54 AM

QuoteThere is simply no need and, realistically, no way to replicate the feeling of pain in a non-living organism.

True - didn't stop Bishop writhing in synthetic pain when the Queen Bishkebabbed him, though.

He was just malfunctioning. That was the robot version of a blue screen.

Quote from: whiterabbit on Sep 30, 2012, 12:59:52 AMThe lobster panics not due to pain but due to the fact that it is being boiled alive.

Smarter than you look Mr. Rabbit. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: