One of the most publicised removed aspects of The Predator following the extensive third act reshoots was the complete removal of a sub-plot that involved two Emissary Predators who were actively working against the Upgrade Predator and his fellow clan members.
Kyle Strauts, one of the performers who wore that extra-terrestrial reptilian skin, has been sharing some pictures on his Instagram of his time on the set of The Predator as one of the Emmisary’s!
Titan’s The Predator: The Official Movie Special was recently released and that featured Alec Gillis and Tom Woodruff of Amalgamated Dynamics Inc. talking about designing the Emissary Predators and how they approached differentiating their design from the Fugitive Predator and from one another. You can check that out below:
We recently had the opportunity to chat to both Kyle Strauts and his fellow Predator performer Brian Prince for the AvP Galaxy Podcast so be sure to keep checking back in for when we release that episode! You can keep track of all the various behind-the-scenes images and information with us on the Alien vs. Predator Galaxy forums!
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Quote from: Wysps on Oct 01, 2018, 02:17:44 PM
The graying dreads make me think they were intended to be older, wiser Predators. Makes sense given the role they were supposed to have (extending goodwill to humanity.)
Quote from: The Old One on Oct 01, 2018, 09:25:25 PM
ADI did not work on "Predators" though- I am obliged to remark.
Quote from: D88M on Oct 02, 2018, 02:12:25 AM
I cannot believe we almost got an even worse movie than what was released.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Oct 02, 2018, 03:26:08 AMQuote from: D88M on Oct 02, 2018, 02:12:25 AM
I cannot believe we almost got an even worse movie than what was released.
There was just no winning with this one.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Oct 02, 2018, 05:31:16 AMBe that as it may, I kind of want to see what kind of film it would have been that way.
Man they looked even more stupid than the fugitive did.
Quote from: newagescamartist on Oct 03, 2018, 03:55:34 PMA predator, the galactic space hunter, who kills humans and put our skulls in a wall, now wear human cammo pants, im curious about the underpants
Friendly predators v.s. Predator suits. Whoever Wins, We Lose.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 05, 2018, 01:29:23 PMSpoiler
THE ARK IS DOWN
Just past the fifty yard-line. Imbedded in the turf.
AND THERE'S RORY
Limping from the ship. Disoriented.
McKenna starts toward him. His expression suggests that once
he has the boy in his arms, he's not likely to let go.
At which point, the "DEFECTOR" PREDATORS RISE SLOWLY,
throatily CLICKING... Grab their WEAPONS.
Then? Everything goes to hell. Striding across the field --
THE UPGRADE. Big as life.
Raises the GAUNTLET. Promptly spikes an ION BLAST through
each of the smaller Predators; DISINTEGRATING them --[close]
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 05, 2018, 01:29:23 PMSpoiler
THE ARK IS DOWN
Just past the fifty yard-line. Imbedded in the turf.
AND THERE'S RORY
Limping from the ship. Disoriented.
McKenna starts toward him. His expression suggests that once
he has the boy in his arms, he's not likely to let go.
At which point, the "DEFECTOR" PREDATORS RISE SLOWLY,
throatily CLICKING... Grab their WEAPONS.
Then? Everything goes to hell. Striding across the field --
THE UPGRADE. Big as life.
Raises the GAUNTLET. Promptly spikes an ION BLAST through
each of the smaller Predators; DISINTEGRATING them --[close]
Quote from: spinksy on Oct 05, 2018, 02:18:45 PMwere were the scripts posted?Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 05, 2018, 01:29:23 PMSpoiler
THE ARK IS DOWN
Just past the fifty yard-line. Imbedded in the turf.
AND THERE'S RORY
Limping from the ship. Disoriented.
McKenna starts toward him. His expression suggests that once
he has the boy in his arms, he's not likely to let go.
At which point, the "DEFECTOR" PREDATORS RISE SLOWLY,
throatily CLICKING... Grab their WEAPONS.
Then? Everything goes to hell. Striding across the field --
THE UPGRADE. Big as life.
Raises the GAUNTLET. Promptly spikes an ION BLAST through
each of the smaller Predators; DISINTEGRATING them --[close]
thanks, bit of a waste if you ask me lol.
I'd also like to read through the leaked script now too
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 05, 2018, 08:00:56 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Boj8rOIn7zV/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=7t1ihr1fggr4
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Oct 05, 2018, 10:10:48 PM
Can we start a petition to get Fox to release the original version of the film?
Quote from: azamultic on Oct 05, 2018, 02:01:38 PMI would also be very interested in the leaked script!Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 05, 2018, 01:29:23 PMSpoiler
THE ARK IS DOWN
Just past the fifty yard-line. Imbedded in the turf.
AND THERE'S RORY
Limping from the ship. Disoriented.
McKenna starts toward him. His expression suggests that once
he has the boy in his arms, he's not likely to let go.
At which point, the "DEFECTOR" PREDATORS RISE SLOWLY,
throatily CLICKING... Grab their WEAPONS.
Then? Everything goes to hell. Striding across the field --
THE UPGRADE. Big as life.
Raises the GAUNTLET. Promptly spikes an ION BLAST through
each of the smaller Predators; DISINTEGRATING them --[close]
Man could you share with me the old script?)
Quote from: spinksy on Oct 05, 2018, 08:53:24 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 05, 2018, 08:00:56 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Boj8rOIn7zV/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=7t1ihr1fggr4
I am literally gutted right now, after listening to the podcast and seeing these pics. I'm so intrigued as to how this would have been before all the reshoots.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Oct 05, 2018, 11:56:02 PM
I don't understand all this clamoring for some extended cut like it would have made a difference in the quality of the movie. Its trash. It was trash when it was just a script. People are acting like the cutting of two of the dumbest looking predator designs in history, made the movie bad. If anything they cut some of the crappier ideas they had and did us a favor. Which isn't say much at all considering the crap we got.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 05, 2018, 01:29:23 PMSpoiler
THE ARK IS DOWN
Just past the fifty yard-line. Imbedded in the turf.
AND THERE'S RORY
Limping from the ship. Disoriented.
McKenna starts toward him. His expression suggests that once
he has the boy in his arms, he's not likely to let go.
At which point, the "DEFECTOR" PREDATORS RISE SLOWLY,
throatily CLICKING... Grab their WEAPONS.
Then? Everything goes to hell. Striding across the field --
THE UPGRADE. Big as life.
Raises the GAUNTLET. Promptly spikes an ION BLAST through
each of the smaller Predators; DISINTEGRATING them --[close]
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 07, 2018, 07:01:42 AM
They got scrubbed really quick via Ion blast huh? Man there were better Predator fights in the comics than that. It should have been longer, show off more to how Upgrade is superior to them via close combat or intelligence. Plus a different take on the Pred/human team ups is a interesting take now against another Pred, especially a Upgrade. Plus the Emissary Preds could have explained more to why the Upgrade exists and the whole clan war thing going on. The Emissary Preds could have delivered so much to the table, this sucks. :'(
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Oct 01, 2018, 12:18:31 PM
That looks great.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Oct 06, 2018, 02:49:27 AMQuote from: BigDaddyJohn on Oct 05, 2018, 01:29:23 PMSpoiler
THE ARK IS DOWN
Just past the fifty yard-line. Imbedded in the turf.
AND THERE'S RORY
Limping from the ship. Disoriented.
McKenna starts toward him. His expression suggests that once
he has the boy in his arms, he's not likely to let go.
At which point, the "DEFECTOR" PREDATORS RISE SLOWLY,
throatily CLICKING... Grab their WEAPONS.
Then? Everything goes to hell. Striding across the field --
THE UPGRADE. Big as life.
Raises the GAUNTLET. Promptly spikes an ION BLAST through
each of the smaller Predators; DISINTEGRATING them --[close]
Can't believe some people actually get paid to write such bad scripts, the lines that were used, such cringe garbage. Easy money right there.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 07, 2018, 10:04:07 AMQuote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 07, 2018, 07:01:42 AM
They got scrubbed really quick via Ion blast huh? Man there were better Predator fights in the comics than that. It should have been longer, show off more to how Upgrade is superior to them via close combat or intelligence. Plus a different take on the Pred/human team ups is a interesting take now against another Pred, especially a Upgrade. Plus the Emissary Preds could have explained more to why the Upgrade exists and the whole clan war thing going on. The Emissary Preds could have delivered so much to the table, this sucks. :'(
I'm not sure if that kept over to the filmed stuff (I'm going to ask Kyle/Brian actually) but damn, none of the films have really brought that Predator on Predator action on screen in a genuinely exciting fashion. I'd love to see a proper drawn out and exciting sequence.
Quote from: happypred on Oct 08, 2018, 04:39:44 AMQuote from: Whiskeybrewer on Oct 01, 2018, 12:18:31 PM
That looks great.
I beg to differ
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 08, 2018, 06:17:38 AMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 07, 2018, 10:04:07 AMQuote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 07, 2018, 07:01:42 AM
They got scrubbed really quick via Ion blast huh? Man there were better Predator fights in the comics than that. It should have been longer, show off more to how Upgrade is superior to them via close combat or intelligence. Plus a different take on the Pred/human team ups is a interesting take now against another Pred, especially a Upgrade. Plus the Emissary Preds could have explained more to why the Upgrade exists and the whole clan war thing going on. The Emissary Preds could have delivered so much to the table, this sucks. :'(
I'm not sure if that kept over to the filmed stuff (I'm going to ask Kyle/Brian actually) but damn, none of the films have really brought that Predator on Predator action on screen in a genuinely exciting fashion. I'd love to see a proper drawn out and exciting sequence.
They didn't explicitly die in the filmed footage. They were both knocked from the APC when they were trying to use their cable weapons and the Upgrade uses a net weapon to catch the cable and send them flying. Their fate is left open ended.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 08, 2018, 06:17:38 AMDamm I feel so picky saying this but sending the Preds away like that and not showing up is even a huge fault. Just pull a Jurassic World and have them tossed into a fire and explode or something instead of open endedness. Otherwise the audience expects them to be back later on.Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 07, 2018, 10:04:07 AMQuote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 07, 2018, 07:01:42 AM
They got scrubbed really quick via Ion blast huh? Man there were better Predator fights in the comics than that. It should have been longer, show off more to how Upgrade is superior to them via close combat or intelligence. Plus a different take on the Pred/human team ups is a interesting take now against another Pred, especially a Upgrade. Plus the Emissary Preds could have explained more to why the Upgrade exists and the whole clan war thing going on. The Emissary Preds could have delivered so much to the table, this sucks. :'(
I'm not sure if that kept over to the filmed stuff (I'm going to ask Kyle/Brian actually) but damn, none of the films have really brought that Predator on Predator action on screen in a genuinely exciting fashion. I'd love to see a proper drawn out and exciting sequence.
They didn't explicitly die in the filmed footage. They were both knocked from the APC when they were trying to use their cable weapons and the Upgrade uses a net weapon to catch the cable and send them flying. Their fate is left open ended.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 11, 2018, 04:08:49 PMQuote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 08, 2018, 06:17:38 AMDamm I feel so picky saying this but sending the Preds away like that and not showing up is even a huge fault. Just pull a Jurassic World and have them tossed into a fire and explode or something instead of open endedness. Otherwise the audience expects them to be back later on.Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Oct 07, 2018, 10:04:07 AMQuote from: Mr.Turok on Oct 07, 2018, 07:01:42 AM
They got scrubbed really quick via Ion blast huh? Man there were better Predator fights in the comics than that. It should have been longer, show off more to how Upgrade is superior to them via close combat or intelligence. Plus a different take on the Pred/human team ups is a interesting take now against another Pred, especially a Upgrade. Plus the Emissary Preds could have explained more to why the Upgrade exists and the whole clan war thing going on. The Emissary Preds could have delivered so much to the table, this sucks. :'(
I'm not sure if that kept over to the filmed stuff (I'm going to ask Kyle/Brian actually) but damn, none of the films have really brought that Predator on Predator action on screen in a genuinely exciting fashion. I'd love to see a proper drawn out and exciting sequence.
They didn't explicitly die in the filmed footage. They were both knocked from the APC when they were trying to use their cable weapons and the Upgrade uses a net weapon to catch the cable and send them flying. Their fate is left open ended.
Actually they should pull a Jurassic World, that scene when Blue came back to save Roberta was actually f**kin intense that the whole audience got up and cheered. That shit would be cool!
Quote from: skull-splitter on Oct 12, 2018, 07:46:12 AMNah man. It was the fact that everyone, including myself thought Blue died after how hard she was slammed into the wall and how lifelessly she slid off it. Seeing how all the other raptors died, everyone thought she was done as done can be. Add to the fact that Roberta was going to get chomped up, with the idea all the raptors died, no one thought Blue actually made it until that awesome moment.
It's not JW. It's the obvious underdog winning that is a classic tale of heroism that get's cheered for.
Quote from: ace3g on Oct 13, 2018, 02:21:43 AM
https://twitter.com/FreddyInSpace/status/1050861499902767105
Quote from: ace3g on Oct 14, 2018, 01:39:59 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo4bkDinRoE/?tagged=thepredator
Quote from: brain_damage on Oct 14, 2018, 09:19:45 AMIt is rather silly, even drab or desert would be OK.
Lol yes. And argue with his wife.
I genuinely dislike the multi camo suit. Makes them too human.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 06, 2018, 01:35:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N58PkPAQzA
Quote from: Johnny Handsome on Dec 06, 2018, 03:25:14 PM
Personally, i love the designs of the two cut Predators. I like the variation of them, gives me a very Predator 2 vibe. I just wish we could see them in full Predator glory without the military stuff, at night, in cool lighting.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 06, 2018, 02:20:41 PM
I will point out that ADI were not responsible for how they were dressed. That was handled by the costuming department.
Quote from: brokentusk420 on Dec 06, 2018, 08:06:28 PM
Why do they have to ruin everything? It's Stan Winston design that people want with a good story. Is that so hard to ask for? It's like they are trying to reinvent the wheel.
Quote from: yautjapet on Dec 07, 2018, 12:37:13 AM
I'm totally down for "species variation," I loved the different coloring, but a lot of those concept faces were really strange, almost like a different race entirely. I will say that some of the designs toward the beginning of the video with the cloaks and sashes were beautiful! It would have been fascinating to see an on-screen pred in something other than hunting gear.
Quote from: yautjapet on Dec 07, 2018, 12:37:13 AM
I'm totally down for "species variation," I loved the different coloring, but a lot of those concept faces were really strange, almost like a different race entirely. I will say that some of the designs toward the beginning of the video with the cloaks and sashes were beautiful! It would have been fascinating to see an on-screen pred in something other than hunting gear.
Quote from: yautjapet on Dec 07, 2018, 12:37:13 AMImagine this quote were spoken by an extraterrestrial, viewing images of a myriad selection of humans from around the world from different ethnicities.
I'm totally down for "species variation," I loved the different coloring, but a lot of those concept faces were really strange, almost like a different race entirely.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 07, 2018, 09:59:36 AMQuote from: yautjapet on Dec 07, 2018, 12:37:13 AMImagine this quote were spoken by an extraterrestrial, viewing images of a myriad selection of humans from around the world from different ethnicities.
I'm totally down for "species variation," I loved the different coloring, but a lot of those concept faces were really strange, almost like a different race entirely.
Quote from: yautjapet on Dec 07, 2018, 12:37:13 AMYou do get that 80% of this planet can be labeled as ugly only to have 20% being pretty by perception?
I'm totally down for "species variation," I loved the different coloring, but a lot of those concept faces were really strange, almost like a different race entirely. I will say that some of the designs toward the beginning of the video with the cloaks and sashes were beautiful! It would have been fascinating to see an on-screen pred in something other than hunting gear.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2018, 03:57:11 AM
I'd say they're as uninspired as anything Black and Dekker did. Cutting Predator roles along racial and gender lines is just... Kinda lame.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2018, 03:57:11 AMIt makes them seem a little too "human".
I'd say they're as uninspired as anything Black and Dekker did. Cutting Predator roles along racial and gender lines is just... Kinda lame.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2018, 12:25:10 PMWhat do you mean by "too human"? Like, as opposed to the Predator designs from the other movies.
I like some of the designs, but most are changing the overall shape too much to be too human. Keep them lumpy and ugly and find more creative ways to differentiate them.
Edit
To that end I think the finished versions were probably the best of the designs presented.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2018, 12:49:11 PMTotally.
By shrinking the mandibles down to effectively tumours with teeth on the upper and lower jaw, they're streamlining the face into ever more human forms and proportions. You might be right in that it's because the pictures are front on, but as concept art impression is everything.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2018, 09:38:36 AM
I meant the fan ideas people were coming up with cut the roles along those lines. See 'males are hunters, females are scientists' up above.
Quote from: MrPeterKeyes666 on Dec 08, 2018, 07:05:48 PM
Fred Dekker has posted an explanation of why the Emissary Predators were cut in the comments on his FB page.
QuoteIt was a mutual decision. We grew concerned that we were already making a movie that veered away from fan expectations, and when we showed it to some small, select audiences, our concerns were validated... so we removed the Emissaries AND the hybrids in favor of a traditional "hunt" finale, which -- in my opinion -- squandered the notion that the Predators have a larger, unseen civilization and other concerns besides sports hunting -- like, for instance, saving their civilization from extinction. It was decided that this, plus the humor in the film, was too much for the Predator fan base to swallow... and sadly, the box office and critical reception proved we were right. We should have made a cheaper, more predictable movie, and not tried to do something new.
But what do I know? I was just the co-writer.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2018, 07:57:32 PM
Copy and paste of what he said -
It was a mutual decision. We grew concerned that we were already making a movie that veered away from fan expectations, and when we showed it to some small, select audiences, our concerns were validated... so we removed the Emissaries AND the hybrids in favor of a traditional "hunt" finale, which -- in my opinion -- squandered the notion that the Predators have a larger, unseen civilization and other concerns besides sports hunting -- like, for instance, saving their civilization from extinction. It was decided that this, plus the humor in the film, was too much for the Predator fan base to swallow... and sadly, the box office and critical reception proved we were right. We should have made a cheaper, more predictable movie, and not tried to do something new.
But what do I know? I was just the co-writer.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2018, 08:05:04 PM
Doing something new was fine.
Doing what they specifically did, less so...
Quote from: Xenomrph on Dec 08, 2018, 01:10:31 PMGillis mentioned in the podcast that having to design around putting a human head under the mask really changes how the head can look. A lot of fan art and comic stuff couldn't be done as suits that required an actor's eyes to be used in the mask, for example. Really interesting stuff.
Speaking of comics, I think they can get away with "stylizing" Predator designs in ways that live action can't. Like there are a lot of Predator comics that heavily change up how Predator faces look ('Predator: Homeworld' comes to mind) and I can dig it on a "creative interpretation" level even if it's not my cup of tea, but translating some of those designs to live-action would be a disaster. :P I think a bunch of these concept drawings illustrate that pretty well.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 09, 2018, 11:31:24 AM
The hybrids were not removed though, Fugitive and Ultimate are hybrids.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 08, 2018, 08:31:11 PMIt's the fine line (not that subtle though) between adding to a franchise and just kicking it in the nuts by doing the complete opposite of what fans love.Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2018, 07:57:32 PM
Copy and paste of what he said -
It was a mutual decision. We grew concerned that we were already making a movie that veered away from fan expectations, and when we showed it to some small, select audiences, our concerns were validated... so we removed the Emissaries AND the hybrids in favor of a traditional "hunt" finale, which -- in my opinion -- squandered the notion that the Predators have a larger, unseen civilization and other concerns besides sports hunting -- like, for instance, saving their civilization from extinction. It was decided that this, plus the humor in the film, was too much for the Predator fan base to swallow... and sadly, the box office and critical reception proved we were right. We should have made a cheaper, more predictable movie, and not tried to do something new.
But what do I know? I was just the co-writer.
So the problem was not the quality in scripting, casting, direction and execution, it was that they tried something new and the fans (and critics?) wanted predictable.Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2018, 08:05:04 PM
Doing something new was fine.
Doing what they specifically did, less so...
Indeed.
Quote from: The Cruentus on Dec 09, 2018, 11:31:24 AMI think they mean some of the more extreme hybrid creature designs.
The hybrids were not removed though, Fugitive and Ultimate are hybrids.
Quote from: TheKurgan on Dec 09, 2018, 02:20:53 PM
Yeah, it seemed like a lost cause from the start. The version we got or the original, it would have made little difference overall.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2018, 07:57:32 PMQuote from: MrPeterKeyes666 on Dec 08, 2018, 07:05:48 PM
Fred Dekker has posted an explanation of why the Emissary Predators were cut in the comments on his FB page.
Copy and paste of what he said -QuoteIt was a mutual decision. We grew concerned that we were already making a movie that veered away from fan expectations, and when we showed it to some small, select audiences, our concerns were validated... so we removed the Emissaries AND the hybrids in favor of a traditional "hunt" finale, which -- in my opinion -- squandered the notion that the Predators have a larger, unseen civilization and other concerns besides sports hunting -- like, for instance, saving their civilization from extinction. It was decided that this, plus the humor in the film, was too much for the Predator fan base to swallow... and sadly, the box office and critical reception proved we were right. We should have made a cheaper, more predictable movie, and not tried to do something new.
But what do I know? I was just the co-writer.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 09, 2018, 03:24:41 PM
Well to me it's a fake predator movie, pretty much a Shane Black movie, and a fun movie overall.
Quote from: Wysps on Dec 09, 2018, 05:18:44 PM
It was entertaining as far as monster movies go. Maybe this is what fans thought when Predator first aired, "what a great monster movie! Now lets move on..." except they (we) never did :P
Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2018, 10:21:15 PMQuote from: Xenomrph on Dec 08, 2018, 01:10:31 PMGillis mentioned in the podcast that having to design around putting a human head under the mask really changes how the head can look. A lot of fan art and comic stuff couldn't be done as suits that required an actor's eyes to be used in the mask, for example. Really interesting stuff.
Speaking of comics, I think they can get away with "stylizing" Predator designs in ways that live action can't. Like there are a lot of Predator comics that heavily change up how Predator faces look ('Predator: Homeworld' comes to mind) and I can dig it on a "creative interpretation" level even if it's not my cup of tea, but translating some of those designs to live-action would be a disaster. :P I think a bunch of these concept drawings illustrate that pretty well.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 09, 2018, 11:54:03 PMWhile that's true (and is an interesting component of creature I hadn't given a lot of thought to), does ADI try to use that point for justification in why the Predator heads look the way they do? Because in that case, I think brokentusk has a point that the first two movies didn't have that problem.
You've completely misunderstood the point of what was being said. Nobody was saying that the bad designs are excused because they had to make them around a human head. The point was simply that a lot of the variations we see in comics and fan art wouldn't actually work if you had to make them as something that would fit onto an actor's face. That's all.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 11, 2018, 09:26:43 AMThat's really interesting, thanks. :)
It's one of the reasons Predator heads in general look the way they do. He says that the two Emissary Predators look different to each other because one actor's eyes are closer together. He also said Wolf had a differently shaped head without the mask because they weren't restricted by using the actor's eyes.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 31, 2019, 12:11:14 PM
Great stuff -- but no, it won't.
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Jan 31, 2019, 02:09:56 PM
I like them
Quote from: AhabPredator on Jan 31, 2019, 11:58:45 AM
https://www.facebook.com/InkFxTion-Studios-275830922437192/?ti=as (https://www.facebook.com/InkFxTion-Studios-275830922437192/?ti=as)
Quote from: Samhain13 on Jan 31, 2019, 02:41:48 PMQuote from: AhabPredator on Jan 31, 2019, 11:58:45 AM
https://www.facebook.com/InkFxTion-Studios-275830922437192/?ti=as (https://www.facebook.com/InkFxTion-Studios-275830922437192/?ti=as)
At least they know how to make the mandibles right.
Quote from: AhabPredator on Jan 31, 2019, 12:13:51 PMIt won't give them a run for their money because nobody's going to hand over an entire film of work to the one guy.Quote from: SiL on Jan 31, 2019, 12:11:14 PM
Great stuff -- but no, it won't.
In your opinion. Just like mine. ::)
Quote from: AhabPredator on Jan 31, 2019, 02:47:35 PMWho said it was bad? What imaginary person are you referring to?
But apparently, no matter how many people say that it trumps the work of ADI. It's still not enough for some armchair critics. ::)
Everything sucks. Nothing is good.
The negativity gets old.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 31, 2019, 09:40:15 PMQuote from: AhabPredator on Jan 31, 2019, 12:13:51 PMIt won't give them a run for their money because nobody's going to hand over an entire film of work to the one guy.Quote from: SiL on Jan 31, 2019, 12:11:14 PM
Great stuff -- but no, it won't.
In your opinion. Just like mine. ::)Quote from: AhabPredator on Jan 31, 2019, 02:47:35 PMWho said it was bad? What imaginary person are you referring to?
But apparently, no matter how many people say that it trumps the work of ADI. It's still not enough for some armchair critics. ::)
Everything sucks. Nothing is good.
The negativity gets old.
He does great work, don't get shitty just because I don't share your precise level of enthusiasm.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 01, 2019, 02:40:31 AM
Then give him a director asking for a "handsome" Predator :D
Quote from: SiL on Feb 01, 2019, 02:40:31 AM
Then give him a director asking for a "handsome" Predator :D
Quote from: AhabPredator on Jan 31, 2019, 11:58:45 AM
Here's some work that will give ADI a run for their money.
https://www.facebook.com/InkFxTion-Studios-275830922437192/?ti=as (https://www.facebook.com/InkFxTion-Studios-275830922437192/?ti=as)
Quote from: Highland on Feb 01, 2019, 04:43:59 AMQuote from: AhabPredator on Jan 31, 2019, 11:58:45 AM
Here's some work that will give ADI a run for their money.
https://www.facebook.com/InkFxTion-Studios-275830922437192/?ti=as (https://www.facebook.com/InkFxTion-Studios-275830922437192/?ti=as)
The Scott Marshall sculpts are almost original accurate. All he did was copy the original, which is what everyone should have done and what everyone still wont do. I nearly bought one of these once.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 01, 2019, 02:31:31 AM
Its one guy doing everything on his own for fun. Give him a whole team and resources... he got more potential than the ADI guys.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 01, 2019, 05:54:58 AM
Cos everyone hates City Hunter for not being a carbon copy of the original ???
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 01, 2019, 07:05:50 AM
His face structure, is nearly the same
It's different in details and some
proportions but everything fits together
in a manner that resembles the original.
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 01, 2019, 10:18:30 AMQuote from: Samhain13 on Feb 01, 2019, 02:31:31 AM
Its one guy doing everything on his own for fun. Give him a whole team and resources... he got more potential than the ADI guys.
Can't say I disagree. He is one talented individual. I gave him a blurry photo of an action figure head...and he brought it to life in 1:1 scale in a richness and detail I still can't fathom.
https://youtu.be/sw2nfdNRAn0 (https://youtu.be/sw2nfdNRAn0)
His work has been featured here many times.
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FfBlyUZ0.jpg&hash=9d66981c58edd8565d14cf813d73dc67158b323e)
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 01, 2019, 01:03:33 PM
I don't know... ADI seems to take pride in making their own style of preds, even when largely considered way inferior to the first predator.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 01, 2019, 01:51:05 PM
Yeah, that's why I like the KNB EFX Predator. The Old One might be right in regards to me giving them too much credit, but I'm just thrilled they were trying to emulate the original Stan Winston design and x-positioned mandibles. I'm rewarding intention perhaps, but I yam what I yam.
(https://imats.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/LA11_museum_KNB_Predator.jpg)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 01, 2019, 02:28:59 PM
And he could close his mouth!
Almost ;D
(https://i.ibb.co/px3zkdC/IMG-20190104-134057.jpg)
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 01, 2019, 02:09:14 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 01, 2019, 01:51:05 PM
Yeah, that's why I like the KNB EFX Predator. The Old One might be right in regards to me giving them too much credit, but I'm just thrilled they were trying to emulate the original Stan Winston design and x-positioned mandibles. I'm rewarding intention perhaps, but I yam what I yam.
(https://imats.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/LA11_museum_KNB_Predator.jpg)
That's one beautiful motherf**ker. ;D
I know people might have opinions on it, but I love the facial quills and chest quills.
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 01, 2019, 02:55:30 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 01, 2019, 02:28:59 PM
And he could close his mouth!
Almost ;D
(https://i.ibb.co/px3zkdC/IMG-20190104-134057.jpg)
The mouth still is slightly off (in my opinion) but the eyes look freaking great!
Quote from: Wysps on Feb 01, 2019, 03:11:12 PM
More quills, I say. I like to think they help differentiate age, but I have absolutely no basis for that :D
Quote from: Wysps on Feb 01, 2019, 03:11:12 PMQuote from: AhabPredator on Feb 01, 2019, 02:09:14 PMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 01, 2019, 01:51:05 PM
Yeah, that's why I like the KNB EFX Predator. The Old One might be right in regards to me giving them too much credit, but I'm just thrilled they were trying to emulate the original Stan Winston design and x-positioned mandibles. I'm rewarding intention perhaps, but I yam what I yam.
(https://imats.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/LA11_museum_KNB_Predator.jpg)
That's one beautiful motherf**ker. ;D
I know people might have opinions on it, but I love the facial quills and chest quills.
More quills, I say. I like to think they help differentiate age, but I have absolutely no basis for that :D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 01, 2019, 02:28:59 PM
And he could close his mouth!
Almost ;D
(https://i.ibb.co/px3zkdC/IMG-20190104-134057.jpg)
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Feb 01, 2019, 06:58:48 PM
I always thought Crucified's mouth was weird... The skin around the teeth is maybe a bit too thick, i'm not quite sure...
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 01, 2019, 01:02:17 PMWhoosh went my point over your head.Quote from: SiL on Feb 01, 2019, 05:54:58 AM
Cos everyone hates City Hunter for not being a carbon copy of the original ???
Not everyone. Just you. ;) And round and round we go.
Quote from: ace3g on Feb 02, 2019, 04:32:41 AM
I've mentioned it before but I'd love to see Weta do the effects for a Predator movie.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 02, 2019, 02:51:26 AMQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 01, 2019, 01:02:17 PMWhoosh went my point over your head.Quote from: SiL on Feb 01, 2019, 05:54:58 AM
Cos everyone hates City Hunter for not being a carbon copy of the original ???
Not everyone. Just you. ;) And round and round we go.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 02, 2019, 07:16:09 AM
But that is an effect :P
Quote from: Highland on Feb 02, 2019, 09:22:21 PMQuote from: SiL on Feb 02, 2019, 07:16:09 AM
But that is an effect :P
Have weta actually ever done a prop? We're not going full Digi Pred are we. Sacrilege.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 03, 2019, 06:16:28 PM
WETA Digital's work is phenomenal too. Those Prawns are realistic as hell.
Quote from: ace3g on Feb 03, 2019, 07:28:47 PM
Has this been posted before?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtYxmWdHrIS/
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 03, 2019, 07:57:45 PMThey wanted to show some diversification.Quote from: ace3g on Feb 03, 2019, 07:28:47 PM
Has this been posted before?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtYxmWdHrIS/
That hardly looks like predator. What in the name of yautja tit milk were they thinking? ???
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 03, 2019, 10:21:19 PM
Wonder why they didn't consider to do the same for the masks. They simply gave the emissaries the same helmet the Fugitive had.
It was kind of the opposite AVP did, AVP made new masks but gave all predators pretty much the same body. The Predator: same mask, different coloring/faces and armor.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Feb 03, 2019, 10:21:19 PMGreat question. ADI had nothing to do with the masks this time around; it was the production designer who was in charge of the armour for the suits. Even ADI wasn't entirely sure why, but guessed it had to do with tax incentives.
Wonder why they didn't consider to do the same for the masks. They simply gave the emissaries the same helmet the Fugitive had.
Quote from: Still Collating... on Feb 04, 2019, 12:56:41 AM
I took as to be implied that the Upgrade has ocular implants. At least, hope that was the point.
Quote from: Highland on Feb 04, 2019, 03:46:36 AMQuote from: Still Collating... on Feb 04, 2019, 12:56:41 AM
I took as to be implied that the Upgrade has ocular implants. At least, hope that was the point.
Yeah the Upgrade sees the biohelmet through his eyes. Super dumb considering the multitude of things the Biohelmet was used for.
You know maybe they just design the Predators to be deliberately ugly, thinking that's what made the first one good. It's the only explanation on why they keep getting it mad wrong.
Quote from: AhabPredator on Feb 04, 2019, 04:02:40 AMQuote from: Highland on Feb 04, 2019, 03:46:36 AMQuote from: Still Collating... on Feb 04, 2019, 12:56:41 AM
I took as to be implied that the Upgrade has ocular implants. At least, hope that was the point.
Yeah the Upgrade sees the biohelmet through his eyes. Super dumb considering the multitude of things the Biohelmet was used for.
You know maybe they just design the Predators to be deliberately ugly, thinking that's what made the first one good. It's the only explanation on why they keep getting it mad wrong.
The pred killer suit is a prime example of how overcomplicated designs are bad.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 05:06:30 AM
Why would he not just be wearing the suit, since it literally forms out of one wrist gauntlet. That can fly.
I mean ... in the time it took him to eject the pod, he could've just put the suit on and solved the plot in the intro.
Quote from: Highland on Feb 04, 2019, 05:39:24 AMQuote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 05:06:30 AM
Why would he not just be wearing the suit, since it literally forms out of one wrist gauntlet. That can fly.
I mean ... in the time it took him to eject the pod, he could've just put the suit on and solved the plot in the intro.
Wrong size. Only came in a 32.
Quote from: Highland on Feb 04, 2019, 05:39:24 AMQuote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 05:06:30 AM
Why would he not just be wearing the suit, since it literally forms out of one wrist gauntlet. That can fly.
I mean ... in the time it took him to eject the pod, he could've just put the suit on and solved the plot in the intro.
Wrong size. Only came in a 32.
Quote from: Highland on Feb 04, 2019, 03:46:36 AM
Yeah the Upgrade sees the biohelmet through his eyes. Super dumb considering the multitude of things the Biohelmet was used for.
QuoteYou know maybe they just design the Predators to be deliberately ugly, thinking that's what made the first one good. It's the only explanation on why they keep getting it mad wrong.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 04, 2019, 02:21:32 PM
Honestly, I've subscribed to the implant idea since Predator 2 when City Hunter lost his mask and was still seeing in IR.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 04, 2019, 02:30:31 PMBut he's seeing unfiltered IR in the second one, too. They're just actually in a cold environment, not a sweltering jungle. The issue in the original is that the ambient temperature was too close to the actors' temperature, whereas there's obviously a big difference between a meat locker and an active, sweaty dude.
I still love that tidbit. But for sake of clarity:
Honestly, I've subscribed to the implant idea since Predator 2 when City Hunter lost his mask and was still seeing in filtered/clean IR.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 04, 2019, 02:33:19 PM
We also only see Harrigan against the fog in the ship from memory, which would appear black to IR compared to his clearer heat signature.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Feb 04, 2019, 02:39:05 PMI don't think I'm getting the point across. The only time we see "filtered" IR is in the original Predator when his mask is on, as the heat cameras couldn't tell between the actors and the location. Predator 2 and its environments didn't have this problem; they didn't have to hose down the set and heat up the actors to get the contrast. Even when he's wearing the mask, he's seeing unfiltered IR because there was no filtering needed, hence no difference when the mask is removed.
Completely fair point regarding the Meat Locker but we know it wasn't unfiltered IR. It was all the same method.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 05, 2019, 04:44:48 AM
The mask also helped with isolating sounds and enhancing their hearing.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 05, 2019, 01:14:10 PM
Stan Winston's sculpts for the Predator 2 City Hunter show ears underneath the dreadlocks.
So, they're about the same place as ours.
Quote from: The Old One on Feb 05, 2019, 01:14:10 PM
Stan Winston's sculpts for the Predator 2 City Hunter show ears underneath the dreadlocks.
So, they're about the same place as ours.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 05, 2019, 02:55:27 PM
Hicks! We need a podcast with someone from Stan Winston's team please. We need to know! :)
Quote from: SiL on Feb 02, 2019, 11:13:27 PMThe largest film prop ever in fact
Literally all of the prosthetics, weapons, armour, suits, etc. They made a driveable Warthog for Blomkamp's ditched Halo movie. There are ten foot tall hyper realistic sculptures of WWI vets in Wellington's museum that they painstakingly made.
... yeah, they've done some props!
Quote from: Gilfryd on Feb 05, 2019, 08:05:15 PMQuote from: SiL on Feb 02, 2019, 11:13:27 PMThe largest film prop ever in fact
Literally all of the prosthetics, weapons, armour, suits, etc. They made a driveable Warthog for Blomkamp's ditched Halo movie. There are ten foot tall hyper realistic sculptures of WWI vets in Wellington's museum that they painstakingly made.
... yeah, they've done some props!
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mckellen.com%2Fimages%2Flotr%2Fsc0042.jpg&hash=650709b92d8641638b7b4653b4afacff2ff5b011)
Quote from: SiL on Feb 05, 2019, 08:59:14 PM
Prop, not character, though.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 05, 2019, 10:33:43 PM
A dead one, which makes it a prop.
I know that seems pedantic, but on a call sheet that would be listed under props, while creatures would be under effects and cast depending on how the creature is realised.
The giant dead Kong at the end of the '76 movie would be a prop, for example, while Rambaldi's full size animatronic is an effect.
(Also keep in mind I've no idea if it actually is the largest prop, but I wouldn't be surprised.)
Quote from: SiL on Feb 05, 2019, 11:34:55 PM
Definitely, but I still think the Mumakil is bigger than a lot of the examples you gave. Thing was feckin' huge.
I think the Rambaldi Kong gives it a good run for its money.
(annoyingly, trying to find out "biggest prop" just tells you about ones that sold for the most at auction)