https://deadline.com/2020/11/predator-movie-dan-trachenberg-20th-century-studios-1234619728/
Disney moving forward with PREDATOR
I love 10 Cloverfield Lane. But then, I also love Shane Black's earlier films and The Predator turned out to be unwatchable.
We'll see, I guess. But I'm not going to muster up any excitement. I'm just shocked that they're moving forward with this before doing an Alien film, honestly.
Cool. I love the choice of director.
Crikey, I never expected this announcement.
10 Cloverfield Lane was awesome. It's probably a good thing they're getting away from Black's film and doing something different.
Never saw the Cloverfield films but just read up on the 10 Cloverfield Lane movie and glad that it isn't the 'found footage' type of movie. Haven't seen any of the content by the writer - anyone else seen his stuff? If so, what did you think of it?
I'm cautiously excited. 10CL was fantastic, and I love a stripped down Predator movie like that after they tried to go all Marvel with the 2018 movie.
What? And this isn't even WeGotThisCovered!
I'm very surprised at this after the disappointment of The Predator (the other sequels didn't do good either, including AVPR), but then again they keep on making the Terminator movies with the same vigor.
Posted on the front page with some plot details too. We've known about this one for a little while, and it had actually been unknowingly announced a year ago.
It should have broken tomorrow on Predator 2's 30th Anniversary.....
but still...
BEST
DAMN
NEWS EVER!!!
Voodoo Magic.....is ready.!
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While Deadline wasn't able to go into specifics of the plot of Predator 5, we do actually have some story details for you! Alien vs. Predator Galaxy has known about this upcoming Predator 5 for a little while now. Now bear with us on this one because it is going to seem like a leap.
In December of 2019, Discussing Film exclusively announced that Trachtenberg was developing a film with 20th Century Studios and Disney called Skulls, also written by Patrick Aison and was to be producer by long time Predator series producer John Davis. Discussing Film also provided some small details about Skulls' plot.
Quote'Skulls' will follow a Comanche woman who goes against gender norms and traditions to become a warrior.
This small bit of information marries up with what Alien vs. Predator Galaxy was told regarding the upcoming Predator 5. According to our own sources Predator 5 will be set in the past (finally!) where it will focus around Native Americans before the territories were taken by the American settles, featuring a First Nations cast. It seems quite likely that Skulls is actually Predator 5, perhaps a working title or codename.
Damn I loved Big Game, especially the comic.
If they go with the "Batshit insane Predator" route (with no CGI), I will be very happy.
I feel like this won't get off the ground even though it's "greenlit" now. Unless they're making it for 25 million dollars or something. Even then, that kinda money sounds huge for a Predator film in today's climate. Will be stunned if this begins filming.
10 Cloverfield Lane was good and Predator + Native Americans sounds like a kickass movie. Hope they cast actual Native Americans for the roles.
This is some truly shocking news but it is so very welcome right now... I needed this.
Crack open the movie specific forum cause we're back bitches ;D
Sounds like absolutely PC garbage
What the hell. This came out of nowhere, its like that dead horse that has been beaten just got back up somehow. And this is happening before any news about the next alien movie.
Oh well. That's what happens when you leave the series fate with Ridley.
I would prefer a Predator movie set into the future but whatever.
Quote"Skulls will follow a Comanche woman who goes against gender norms and traditions to become a warrior.
Huh. That's cute.
I'm legit surprised that we're getting news of a new Predator movie before a new Alien one, but either way it's FANTASTIC!! :D
And HELL YES, it's about time they finally made a Predator movie set in the past!! I'd imagine the potential lower budget (and who knows, maybe even "back to basics" approach) could well be the reason a new Predator is moving forwards before a new Alien.
I know it's a long shot, but it'd be great if we got some sort of "Nakai" nod, even if it was just a passing reference rather than something major like a main character being Enoch's ancestor. Highly unlikely that the first new film under the Disney banner would directly reference something from Dark Horse, but a man can dream! :laugh:
:o Wow that was sooner than expected, which is nice news indeed.
Because it does on all Native American cast with the main character going up against gender roles. Are you f**king kidding me?
So, we have Predator 5, but not Alien 5? Huh?! Predator caught up and overtook the Alien by numbers?
And where is Predator 3 & 4 after all?
Why does every f**king new movie in the big franchises have to be focus solely on race and gender every single time. Hollywood apparently doesn't realize that their liberal agenda turns people off. Get woke to broke.
Well I'm certainly excited. Was just thinking about Predator 5 and couldn't figure out why, get home from work to find this.
Very intrigued with what this could be and I'm interested in the change of hero. Predator protagonists are typically male so I'm glad to see some diversity here. I'm sure it'll get shit from certain sections of the internet but now that we know what a female Predator looks like I'd be happy to see an onscreen female for once. I say let the ladies have this one. It'd be a long time coming for a cinematic female Predator and female lead. Definitely excited for this.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2020, 09:13:41 PM
While Deadline wasn't able to go into specifics of the plot of Predator 5, we do actually have some story details for you! Alien vs. Predator Galaxy has known about this upcoming Predator 5 for a little while now. Now bear with us on this one because it is going to seem like a leap.
In December of 2019, Discussing Film exclusively announced that Trachtenberg was developing a film with 20th Century Studios and Disney called Skulls, also written by Patrick Aison and was to be producer by long time Predator series producer John Davis. Discussing Film also provided some small details about Skulls' plot.
Quote'Skulls' will follow a Comanche woman who goes against gender norms and traditions to become a warrior.
This small bit of information marries up with what Alien vs. Predator Galaxy was told regarding the upcoming Predator 5. According to our own sources Predator 5 will be set in the past (finally!) where it will focus around Native Americans before the territories were taken by the American settles, featuring a First Nations cast. It seems quite likely that Skulls is actually Predator 5, perhaps a working title or codename.
Yaaaaaaaaassss. Big Game is excellent and great to hear about the timeframe being in the past.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 20, 2020, 08:27:14 PM
I love 10 Cloverfield Lane. But then, I also love Shane Black's earlier films and The Predator turned out to be unwatchable.
^This. Not gunna get my hopes up at all, but it'd be really nice if this was good.
I expect crabators.
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 20, 2020, 10:14:58 PM
I expect crabators.
Christ lets hope not - I would be incredibly disappointed if ADI was tapped to work on this. That studio needs to keep its subpar hands off Predator.
Sounds great to me. No genetic splicing bullshit, awkward comedy, or autism spine juice; just a good old fashioned Predator hunt.We've got nothing to lose with this film.
And Just like Predator all invisible this news just came out of nowhere. I remember years ago coming across updates and news scoops for 2010's Predator3 Predators and 2018 Predator4 The Predator, theResults were mixed, didn't quiet meet potential, dunno how Predator 5 will turn out. Had that initial spark of excitement seeing the article, but we've been let down over and over just feeling depleted, though chances are slim hopefully turns out decent if not great, here's hoping.
Completely unexpected news.
Part of me suspects they're going the Native American route largely because it'll be cheap to make, but a historical Predator film is something fans have been calling for for ages. Cool they we're finally getting it.
I can see plenty of scope for this being brutal.
Tagline: "You won't see Predator 5 news coming" :o
Woh, this came outta nowhere? Would have been cool to hear the pitch. Too early to jump on the train but the Native American angle sounds awesome. Just for the love of god keep ADI out of it.
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Nov 20, 2020, 10:30:58 PM
Woh, this came outta nowhere? Would have been cool to hear the pitch. Too early to jump on the train but the Native American angle sounds awesome. Just for the love of god keep ADI out of it.
Yeah I second jettison ADI if it gets that far. Give a new talented practical effects crew a shot.
Quote from: Lost_Hunter on Nov 20, 2020, 10:30:58 PM
Just for the love of god keep ADI out of it.
Couldn't agree more :)
I wonder if Marvel has any part in this. We got new books in 2021 so I wonder if that'll have anything to do here.
If they jettison ADI it does make me wonder what an ILM Predator would be like.
No human friendship and no weak Predator, please, please, please
I have low expectations.
Quote from: Kailem on Nov 20, 2020, 09:38:14 PM
And HELL YES, it's about time they finally made a Predator movie set in the past!! I'd imagine the potential lower budget (and who knows, maybe even "back to basics" approach) could well be the reason a new Predator is moving forwards before a new Alien.
YES!!!! It's about DAMN time we get a Predator movie in the past, and all the Predator in the prism of native american spirituality that we can get, please!
Quote from: bendinglight on Nov 20, 2020, 10:18:22 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 20, 2020, 10:14:58 PM
I expect crabators.
Christ lets hope not - I would be incredibly disappointed if ADI was tapped to work on this. That studio needs to keep its subpar hands off Predator.
Crabators?!!
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Please keep ADI as far away as possible from this Predator film, please! Back to basics in every way!
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Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Nov 20, 2020, 10:19:54 PM
Sounds great to me. No genetic splicing bullshit, awkward comedy, or autism spine juice; just a good old fashioned Predator hunt.We've got nothing to lose with this film.
Agreed. I'm excited about the prospect of another go at getting this right.
I'd go further than no gimmicky rubbish like you mention too, and do away with lots of the callback stuff as well, the same music, same one liners, same "Predator has to spend 5 minutes ditching all its gear to have a final showdown" stuff etc.
Theres potential to make a really original, grim, dirty horror story around a Predator hunt, granted its Disney so we probably wont get that far, but hopefully a totally new and past setting can be the first step to a really fresh story.
Good news, anyhow.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 20, 2020, 09:37:29 PM
What the hell. This came out of nowhere, its like that dead horse that has been beaten just got back up somehow. And this is happening before any news about the next alien movie. Oh well. That's whats happens when you leave the series fate on Ridley's hands
Alien isn't dead either. We can confirm that too. ;) :P
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2020, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 20, 2020, 09:37:29 PM
What the hell. This came out of nowhere, its like that dead horse that has been beaten just got back up somehow. And this is happening before any news about the next alien movie. Oh well. That's whats happens when you leave the series fate on Ridley's hands
Alien isn't dead either. We can confirm that too. ;) :P
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The thought of a predator in the prairies of America is interesting, not much cover for it to hide.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 20, 2020, 10:42:15 PM
Quote from: Kailem on Nov 20, 2020, 09:38:14 PM
And HELL YES, it's about time they finally made a Predator movie set in the past!! I'd imagine the potential lower budget (and who knows, maybe even "back to basics" approach) could well be the reason a new Predator is moving forwards before a new Alien.
YES!!!! It's about DAMN time we get a Predator movie in the past, and all the Predator in the prism of native american spirituality that we can get, please!
Quote from: bendinglight on Nov 20, 2020, 10:18:22 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 20, 2020, 10:14:58 PM
I expect crabators.
Christ lets hope not - I would be incredibly disappointed if ADI was tapped to work on this. That studio needs to keep its subpar hands off Predator.
Crabators?!!
https://media.tenor.com/images/68549c51ecf88e631dbd7b0ba8e2cf76/tenor.gif
Please keep ADI as far away as possible from this Predator film, please! Back to basics in every way!
https://i.ibb.co/vHD4V5T/IMG-20200108-151004.png
Fingers crossed for you bro, the only thing worse than their Crabators are their Aliens :( I genuinely mean that as well.
I'm starting to get caught up in the hype now! I still don't think it'll happen though ;D
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2020, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 20, 2020, 09:37:29 PM
What the hell. This came out of nowhere, its like that dead horse that has been beaten just got back up somehow. And this is happening before any news about the next alien movie. Oh well. That's whats happens when you leave the series fate on Ridley's hands
Alien isn't dead either. We can confirm that too. ;) :P
I knew this would be the case, but hearing it makes me bloody nervous. TV series? (please)
The ADI guys made a lot of movies with Predator and never learned to do it right. Don't call these guys again.
Quote from: Lasershot on Nov 20, 2020, 09:45:48 PM
Why does every f**king new movie in the big franchises have to be focus solely on race and gender every single time. Hollywood apparently doesn't realize that their liberal agenda turns people off. Get woke to broke.
Feminism in muh Predator? How dare they! ::)
I can't belive that there are people react like this to this news. I don't think I've ever seen anyone attach the "Get woke go broke" mantra to a statement that didn't seem like a blubbering mess.
I'm not even looking forward to this movie - I'm really soured on the Predator brand as a whole - but the synopsis sounds pretty neat, especially compared to what we got last time.
Don't see what the big deal is with a female protagonist. It's not like any of the men ever beat a predator with their physical strength anyway.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2020, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 20, 2020, 09:37:29 PM
What the hell. This came out of nowhere, its like that dead horse that has been beaten just got back up somehow. And this is happening before any news about the next alien movie. Oh well. That's whats happens when you leave the series fate on Ridley's hands
Alien isn't dead either. We can confirm that too. ;) :P
https://www.small-screen.co.uk/disney-rumoured-bring-sigourney-weaver-back-alien-movie/
Is this BS or is there a little substance in it?
https://twitter.com/DannyTRS/status/1329919692157444096
This marketing campaign would have been neat. Shame the details came out early.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Nov 20, 2020, 11:02:32 PM
Don't see what the big deal is with a female protagonist. It's not like any of the men ever beat a predator with their physical strength anyway.
The best parts of the first movie were when all of the standard 80s "Action Man" stereotypes got slaughtered by the Predator like nothing anyways. That's basically the essence of what the Predator movies should be - and this does feel much more in line with that than whatever
The Predator was.
There's nothing wrong with a female protagonist. And as far as ''feminist'' characters go, characters like Ellen Ripley were the best ones. What most people are complaining about is a Mary Sue protagonist.
"women bad" - guy in AvP Forum, y'know, the forum about 2 franchises which one features tons of female protagonists that go against the odds
Not like the best protagonist in sci-fi was a girl lmao
That aside, these are good news, I just hope they use better animatronics this time, NO MORE BROKEN JAWS AND MANDIBLES please
This could be interesting, a historical PREDATOR. But, after THE PREDATOR, I don't know if I'm ready to put my faith in this film just yet.
Let's not forget that Dutch was originally supposed to be Native American and have a spiritual journey not unlike what BIG GAME did. Of course once Arnie was cast this was scrapped. Cool to see the idea being revisited again.
Quote from: Gr33n M4n on Nov 20, 2020, 11:07:07 PM
What most people are complaining about is a Mary Sue protagonist.
Ahh yes, "Mary Sue," the term coined by - checks notes - Max Landis (:-X :-X :-X) that has since been thrown at basically every and any female protagonist that an audience has a bone to pick against.
'Skulls' will follow a Comanche woman who goes against gender norms and traditions to become a warrior.
I am very happy that the franchise still has a pulse, considering it's reached it's lowest point (for now) but If that's the best they can do for their pitch then this film is dead on arrival. At least NECA can make some more kickass toys. That was the only good thing that came from Shane Black's disaster.
There is no inherent problem of a female protagonist, depends on the execution, There's been some great examples and poor examples, it's the quality of how it Tv at matters.
Skulls' will follow a Comanche woman who goes against gender norms and traditions to become a warrior.
So we're getting Native American Mulan vs predator....
Wow!! I absolutely did not expect this after The Predator's poor performance. Honestly I'm expecting this to be a lower budget film. I loved the novel Big Game so hopefully it will take some cues from that. I'm hoping it's going to be as brutal as Mel Gibson's Apocalypto!! Just please no DNA splicing. Just give me a Predator or two and a hunt.
Do you think the predator will be female as well??????????
If it was announced that the next alien movie would have a man as the lead people would complain about breaking what the series is about the same way. Then again we all know that the true main character of the alien prequels is David, all I could think while I watched Covenant last time was how much it felt like Ridley loved David. And the female "leads" are just there to get him off in a weird way.
Regardless its more about how its executed, I liked Isabelle in Predators, wouldn't have minded if she had sniped a Predator with a headshot, might have preffered such death for a Predator than a sword slash. But Disney developed a history making poor female characters that just break all the rules of the established universe cus the plot they want to push demands them to be that good.
More importantly after PHG brough m'boy Dutch back I really wanted a movie set on 2025 with Dutch kicking ass while taking Predator juice to make gains, the reception over Dutch's return was great, so many commented that was what the sequels should have been about and now... its gone I guess.
It definitely seems like this is just going to be a simple "Predator and a hunt" type movie, which is definitely the best choice after the mess the last one made attempting to expand Predator "lore." :-X I have zero interest in an ongoing narrative in Predator movies, so this likely being a period piece is also a very good choice in my opinion.
I'm more open about this after reading the synopsis - but also still not willing to let myself get too excited.
Very happy they haven't given up on this franchise. I don't know the writer but director Dan Trachtenberg's 10 Cloverfield Lane was mostly excellent - particuarly in how it rung so much tension from a confined setting and only 3 actors. His involvement bodes well and a historical Predator movie sounds a neat way to give the franchise a fresh perspective.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2020, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 20, 2020, 09:37:29 PM
What the hell. This came out of nowhere, its like that dead horse that has been beaten just got back up somehow. And this is happening before any news about the next alien movie. Oh well. That's whats happens when you leave the series fate on Ridley's hands
Alien isn't dead either. We can confirm that too. ;) :P
Ooooohhhh now
this is the news I crave. 8)
The Disneyfied (well, Marvelfied) Predator sucked in 2018 and I have no hopes for this one either. Will not waste money on this.
Quote from: CgiMascotPestControl on Nov 20, 2020, 11:31:54 PM
The Disneyfied (well, Marvelfied) Predator sucked in 2018 and I have no hopes for this one either. Will not waste money on this.
Disney only acquired Fox in 2019, that movie came in 2018 and it's production started in 2016 and filming in 2017
Cool story, Spinelli. It was still a shitty attempt to Marvelize The Predator, it still sucked, and this one will too.
2020 has lasted so long, we're already getting the next Predator movie.
Alien, Predator and Deadpool are on their way through the hands of Disney. Nothing can match less with Disney than these franchises.
Quote from: Huggs on Nov 20, 2020, 11:59:43 PM
2020 has lasted so long, we're already getting the next Predator movie.
Truest most in-context comment in the thread.
Quote from: George on Nov 21, 2020, 12:00:20 AM
Alien, Predator and Deadpool are on their way through the hands of Disney. Nothing can match less with Disney than these franchises.
Disney has had plenty of studios that made R-rated films under its umbrella in the past.
I'm more concerned about Disney monopolizing the entertainment industry than I am with them making R-rated movies.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2020, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 20, 2020, 09:37:29 PM
What the hell. This came out of nowhere, its like that dead horse that has been beaten just got back up somehow. And this is happening before any news about the next alien movie. Oh well. That's whats happens when you leave the series fate on Ridley's hands
Alien isn't dead either. We can confirm that too. ;) :P
Hot damn! You've been holding out on us Hicks! :laugh:
There's a certain pattern to these things. A new Alien and/or Predator movie is announced. Everyone's excited. Then news starts pouring in about the cast, the crew, the plot. People react to the news, be they leaks or official releases in two ways. Either they're concerned because the movie being made sounds like total ass...or they're 100% totally convinced that this movie will be the greatest thing since the originals, will dave the franchise, and anyone with the slightest bit of doubt is just an idiot troll who must be driven from the board.
Then the movie comes out, it sucks, it flops and the franchise is declared dead until the next movie is released.
It happened before and it will happen again. You're all going to deny it.
But it'll happen.
Quote from: CgiMascotPestControl on Nov 20, 2020, 11:57:22 PM
Cool story, Spinelli. It was still a shitty attempt to Marvelize The Predator, it still sucked, and this one will too.
Sure sure, it was Marvel's fault not Shane's lol
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2020, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 20, 2020, 09:37:29 PM
What the hell. This came out of nowhere, its like that dead horse that has been beaten just got back up somehow. And this is happening before any news about the next alien movie. Oh well. That's whats happens when you leave the series fate on Ridley's hands
Alien isn't dead either. We can confirm that too. ;) :P
HELLOOOOO
I think it's awesome news. Male/female, I don't care. That isn't to say there aren't mary Sues(or the male equivalent.) We don't need that from either sex because it basically means there isn't any character development.
I honestly thought the franchise was dead after TP.
Get a proper script and don't screw it up. This is a bonus chance to finally make things right.
Well didn't expect that, but we've been here before lots of times. I dig the female lead, about time we shook that up a bit. One thing that slightly worries me is the idea of a Predator wanting to hunt Native Americans, the Predator tech 100% has to go in favor of traditional hunting ( perhaps the challenge is to build weapons from materials).
If they make it so that the female is somehow hunting the Predator.....that could work and I like that thought. If it's plasma casters vs bows and horses we got problems.
What am I supposed to feel with news? Hype? Or crippling dread that keeps me from sleeping? I don't know what to feel anymore...
They build you up, only to tear you down.
I hope its a HORROR/SUSPENSE MOVIE, i hope the predator have the alien design, not something futuristic like in shane black's. and i hope its good man my god
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2020, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 20, 2020, 09:37:29 PM
What the hell. This came out of nowhere, its like that dead horse that has been beaten just got back up somehow. And this is happening before any news about the next alien movie. Oh well. That's whats happens when you leave the series fate on Ridley's hands
Alien isn't dead either. We can confirm that too. ;) :P
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Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 20, 2020, 11:06:05 PM
https://twitter.com/DannyTRS/status/1329919692157444096
This marketing campaign would have been neat. Shame the details came out early.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Nov 20, 2020, 11:02:32 PM
Don't see what the big deal is with a female protagonist. It's not like any of the men ever beat a predator with their physical strength anyway.
The best parts of the first movie were when all of the standard 80s "Action Man" stereotypes got slaughtered by the Predator like nothing anyways. That's basically the essence of what the Predator movies should be - and this does feel much more in line with that than whatever The Predator was.
Wait so was the movie leaked? They're not planning to do some sort of marketing reveal just because we know now?
Dan's tweet makes me think the first teaser for this film wouldn't even be called Predator and we'd only know it was a predator film by hearing a classic predator sound in it or something.
Film sounds like it could be brutal. I'm imagining something like Predator meets The Revenant.
Disney is about to announce the adult section of Disney plus soon aren't they? Wonder if this would come up.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Nov 21, 2020, 01:37:15 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 20, 2020, 11:06:05 PM
https://twitter.com/DannyTRS/status/1329919692157444096
This marketing campaign would have been neat. Shame the details came out early.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Nov 20, 2020, 11:02:32 PM
Don't see what the big deal is with a female protagonist. It's not like any of the men ever beat a predator with their physical strength anyway.
The best parts of the first movie were when all of the standard 80s "Action Man" stereotypes got slaughtered by the Predator like nothing anyways. That's basically the essence of what the Predator movies should be - and this does feel much more in line with that than whatever The Predator was.
Wait so was movie leaked? They're not planning to do some sort of marketing reveal just because we know now?
From the sound if it, this wasn't going to be marketed as a Predator movie right off the bat. It probably would have had a trailer or two with the "Skulls" title and some obscured monster action, before eventually revealing, at some point before the film's with a viral marketing campaign that culminates in a final trailer, that it is a Predator film and dropping the "true" title.
Something similar happened with the new
Blair Witch, which was initially marketed simply as "The Woods" before a later trailer referred to it as
Blair Witch. Even Trachtenberg's
10 Cloverfield Lane did that to some degree - we knew he was working on something titled "The Cellar" and then the trailer releases and surprise! "Cloverfield" is in the title!
The other thing of note that I take from Dan Trachtenberg's Tweet is that he had been working on this for almost four years. That means that pre-production on this began long before the release of
The Predator.
Quote from: Jacku on Nov 21, 2020, 01:38:07 AM
Disney is about to announce the adult section of Disney plus soon aren't they? Wonder if this would come up.
Unless something changes in the future, I'm pretty sure their "adult" service is just going to remain Hulu.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Nov 21, 2020, 01:24:50 AM
What am I supposed to feel with news? Hype? Or crippling dread that keeps me from sleeping? I don't know what to feel anymore...
I'm intrigued by the announcement but we've been burned many times before with the final product. It's all about the script.
I'm really, really glad we didn't get the fakeout trailers. They are one of the most obnoxious, pointless trends in cinema and I eagerly await its death.
So 4 years in pre-production, impressive. But you gotta figure filming might be a ways off still given Covid-19. I'll bet we won't see this till 2023 at the earliest.
He's been working on it for 4 years, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's been in any official pre-production that long.
well the 4 years part stands out
Quote from: SiL on Nov 21, 2020, 01:48:48 AM
I'm really, really glad we didn't get the fakeout trailers. They are one of the most obnoxious, pointless trends in cinema and I eagerly await its death.
What do you mean?
Quote from: RememberShaneBlack? on Nov 21, 2020, 12:28:27 AM
There's a certain pattern to these things. A new Alien and/or Predator movie is announced. Everyone's excited. Then news starts pouring in about the cast, the crew, the plot. People react to the news, be they leaks or official releases in two ways. Either they're concerned because the movie being made sounds like total ass...or they're 100% totally convinced that this movie will be the greatest thing since the originals, will dave the franchise, and anyone with the slightest bit of doubt is just an idiot troll who must be driven from the board.
Then the movie comes out, it sucks, it flops and the franchise is declared dead until the next movie is released.
It happened before and it will happen again. You're all going to deny it.
But it'll happen.
This is why my expectations are minimal.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 20, 2020, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 20, 2020, 09:37:29 PM
What the hell. This came out of nowhere, its like that dead horse that has been beaten just got back up somehow. And this is happening before any news about the next alien movie. Oh well. That's whats happens when you leave the series fate on Ridley's hands
Alien isn't dead either. We can confirm that too. ;) :P
Oh you are such a git! Infuriating tease :P
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 21, 2020, 02:13:18 AM
What do you mean?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 21, 2020, 01:46:17 AM
From the sound if it, this wasn't going to be marketed as a Predator movie right off the bat. It probably would have had a trailer or two with the "Skulls" title and some obscured monster action, before eventually revealing, at some point before the film's with a viral marketing campaign that culminates in a final trailer, that it is a Predator film and dropping the "true" title.
This shit. Cloverfield movies love doing it because they're usually not meant to be Cloverfield and just get the label slapped on last second. I don't see any benefit to building hype around an otherwise unknown project and then dumping the true title when it's almost too late to get people interested (and while I have no numbers on hand I don't feel the films that have done this have particularly benefited).
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 21, 2020, 01:46:17 AM
From the sound if it, this wasn't going to be marketed as a Predator movie right off the bat. It probably would have had a trailer or two with the "Skulls" title and some obscured monster action, before eventually revealing, at some point before the film's with a viral marketing campaign that culminates in a final trailer, that it is a Predator film and dropping the "true" title.
I actually would be very thrilled with this approach. Even with naming the film simply "Skulls" without even having Predator in the title, I've been personally pushing for that kind of alternative branding for a while now.
Alternate branding is fine, misleading about the subject, nah.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 21, 2020, 03:07:02 AM
Alternate branding is fine, misleading about the subject, nah.
Scary monster slasher movie revealed to be scary monster slasher Predator movie? Nah. there's nothing misleading about it, especially when it's revealed prior to its theatrical release.
Generic monster movie revealed to be incredibly popular monster franchise movie?
What's the point?
Who decided generic? Trailer looks awesome and generates interest before, it can help carry over after.
Marketing. Hype. Relaunching. Refreshing.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 21, 2020, 03:15:15 AM
Generic monster movie revealed to be incredibly popular monster franchise movie?
What's the point?
Gotta agree here.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 21, 2020, 03:19:23 AM
Who decided generic?
Generic as in not a "name brand" monster.
If you want to generate marketing and hype for a Predator movie, market and hype a Predator movie. Why waste weeks or months of marketing on what, to the public, is a nondescript project only to reveal a big name later?
I want PREDATOR in the title.
Doesn't need to have Predator in the title. I'm with Sil though, that BS is a waste of time those trailers , particularly 5 movies deep.
Quote from: Highland on Nov 21, 2020, 03:35:19 AM
Doesn't need to have Predator in the title. I'm with Sil though, that BS is a waste of time those trailers , particularly 5 movies deep.
See Prometheus. ;)
Also...
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 21, 2020, 03:19:23 AM
Marketing. Hype. Relaunching. Refreshing.
It was appropriate in Prometheus' case because, while it was the same world as the Alien films, it was a new story not featuring the capital-A Alien.
Once they decided to shift gears in the sequel and redirect it into a more direct prequel to the original film, the "Alien" returned to the title and we got Alien: Covenant.
With Predator sure, you can call it "Skulls" or whatever, but Predator doesn't really offer a world in the way that Alien does. There are stories in the Alien universe that you can tell without the Alien. In the Predator universe though? You really aren't doing much of anything without featuring a Predator, and at that rate, you might as well use the name in the title.
Prometheus was always an Alien prequel ??? It wasn't ever a secret. The first trailer showed the juggernaut and the Engineer getting into the flight suit. It was always advertised and talked about as an Alien prequel. It was always known the project was an Alien movie.
Like was said; rebrand, cool. Misdirect, no.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 21, 2020, 03:52:00 AM
Prometheus was always an Alien prequel ??? It wasn't ever a secret. The first trailer showed the juggernaut and the Engineer getting into the flight suit.
It wasn't hidden as Split was a sequel to Unbreakable, but many people didn't know the ships / space jockey well enough to realize Alien was connected to Prometheus. It looked like just a cool sc-fi movie. And I personally know two of them that went to the theater on the strength of the trailer and cast alone without any clue it was tied to Alien. We've discussed it many times in these forums.
Prometheus didn't have the Alien in it, and it was centered more around the Space Jockey. I was okay with Prometheus going without Alien in the title.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 21, 2020, 03:57:17 AM
It wasn't hidden as Split was a sequel to Unbreakable, but many people didn't know the ships / space jockey well enough to realize Alien was connected to Prometheus. It looked like just a cool sc-fi movie. And I personally know two of them that went to the theater on the strength of the trailer and cast alone without any clue it was tied to Alien. We've discussed it many times in these forums.
Cool, but the studio was always upfront that it was an Alien movie, and everyone involved was always open that it was an Alien movie. Alien fans knew what was coming, and could get hyped up about a prequel with a new take from day one.
I'm specifically talking a situation like Blair Witch or 10 CL where there is zero indication of a connection with an existing property, where said connection is actively hidden or obfuscated, only to reveal it halfway through the marketing run (if not later).
Or not until the film's release, in
Split's case.
Just doesn't make sense to make a edgy reveal trailer right off the heels of a Predator movie that's not that old. If it was the first since Predator 2 or even Predators.....maybe.
They could always ( and might) go the Star Wars and Marvel Route where before the movie there's a little montage of Alien and Predator snippets ( like the masks at the start of Mandalorian) with perhaps the subtitle "Alien Galaxy" or something the like.
It would at least tie things together without putting VS in the titles. The movies wouldn't even need to link, just be part of a bigger plan.
With them going back to the past in this, I feel like emphasis on a shared universe is the last thing on their minds. No bigger plan, no elaborate world-building, no AVP nonsense. Just a story about a Predator on a hunt.
Which is a good start, in my opinion. Now it is just a matter of whether the movie is actually any good.
I really hope it's a great, contained action horror that doesn't try to tease some sprawling franchise reboot.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 21, 2020, 04:48:39 AM
I really hope it's a great, contained action horror that doesn't try to tease some sprawling franchise reboot.
Aye, I agree with this 100%.
That would be ideal, although if we're to believe they're throwing money at both franchises I can only imagine more versus content being an eventual thing, whether it's teased in the first attempts or not.
Since this will be taking place pre-Colonial times, I don't really know how they can butcher this film. I mean I recall films like Apocalypto and that was brutally awesome. Seems like a simple Hunt story which is what this series needs right now, I welcome a more simplistic story telling style. It would be very interesting to see how they would take down a Predator before even the use of metal knives and tomahawks.
Which kind of sucks cuz I remember that there is a broken tomahawk trophy in PHG that is made of metal, would be a nice tie in like how the flintlock is in the game.
As for the title, Predator: Skulls. There, I don't see how bad the title is.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 20, 2020, 11:20:13 PM
More importantly after PHG brough m'boy Dutch back I really wanted a movie set on 2025 with Dutch kicking ass while taking Predator juice to make gains, the reception over Dutch's return was great, so many commented that was what the sequels should have been about and now... its gone I guess.
After what The Predator brought to the table....I don't think people can stomach another film that takes place right after The Predator. Would be cool, but a breather is nice to get. Make people forget for a bit, and then with better ideas, writers can get back to making a film that works after that mess. Better to draw in new people now with a new storytelling film, that way the possibility of a newer film getting more positivity would be greater, especially if Dutch comes back.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 21, 2020, 02:40:31 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 21, 2020, 02:13:18 AM
What do you mean?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 21, 2020, 01:46:17 AM
From the sound if it, this wasn't going to be marketed as a Predator movie right off the bat. It probably would have had a trailer or two with the "Skulls" title and some obscured monster action, before eventually revealing, at some point before the film's with a viral marketing campaign that culminates in a final trailer, that it is a Predator film and dropping the "true" title.
This shit. Cloverfield movies love doing it because they're usually not meant to be Cloverfield and just get the label slapped on last second. I don't see any benefit to building hype around an otherwise unknown project and then dumping the true title when it's almost too late to get people interested (and while I have no numbers on hand I don't feel the films that have done this have particularly benefited).
Well there have only been 3 Cloverfield movies and as far as I can remember all three of them were pretty up-front about their titles (although 2 of the 3 started as unrelated spec scripts, but were never marketed as such).
I dunno, I think it's a fun marketing "twist" and it definitely increased my hype for the Blair Witch sequel when they pulled a "gotcha" with the marketing.
I can see how it would piss some people off though.
I love the premise of the movie - fingers-crossed the film won't be in English, but spoken in Comanche. 10 Cloverfield Lane is a grea movie, so I have hope the director will deliver.
Just please give us a proper R rating, and no AvP references!
Well, ya know....Dark Fate didn't woke. I mean...work. Darn auto text.
Tired of gender politics. Give me a woman that can be badass when called upon, but doesn't need to constantly out perform every man. Genetically, men are stronger..period. Predator hunts the strongest of adversaries. Just sayin. Show me something girl! (I mean the writers and directors..regardless of sex.)Fill the shoes of Machiko, and or Ripley....and you have my wallet. Otherwise, enjoy your coffee with Shane whilst discussing as to why you don't understand that driving politics into your film doesn't "wow" the masses. So sick of this crap. IF they would have just said we are doing another Predator film, I could care less of the sex of the protagonist. NOW, I (we) KNOW.....ABSOLUTELY KNOW..that this film is only being made to push gender politics. They could care less about the story, and care less about Predator. I hope im wrong. ....I PRAY that I'm wrong.
ok
*sigh*
Exhausting.
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 21, 2020, 05:08:20 AM
Well there have only been 3 Cloverfield movies and as far as I can remember all three of them were pretty up-front about their titles (although 2 of the 3 started as unrelated spec scripts, but were never marketed as such).
10 Cloverfield Lane was only revealed as the title to the cast and crew an hour before the trailer dropped.
QuoteI dunno, I think it's a fun marketing "twist" and it definitely increased my hype for the Blair Witch sequel when they pulled a "gotcha" with the marketing.
It made me completely miss that there was a Blair Witch movie coming out until I heard people's reactions to the reveal -- by which time it was right before the film got released.
This sounds very refreshing and f**king awesome possibly. Leonardo Dicaprios next film is A true Native American Story about the white mans greed .
Consider me stoked.Dutch was a Native american lead in the early predator drafts.
I think we will see a female predator in this.
I wonder if the female predator will be going against "norms" too in this.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 21, 2020, 05:31:02 AM
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 21, 2020, 05:08:20 AM
Well there have only been 3 Cloverfield movies and as far as I can remember all three of them were pretty up-front about their titles (although 2 of the 3 started as unrelated spec scripts, but were never marketed as such).
10 Cloverfield Lane was only revealed as the title to the cast and crew an hour before the trailer dropped.
That's a pretty wild thing to do to the cast and crew, but it was still marketed to the public as a Cloverfield movie.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 21, 2020, 05:31:02 AM
QuoteI dunno, I think it's a fun marketing "twist" and it definitely increased my hype for the Blair Witch sequel when they pulled a "gotcha" with the marketing.
It made me completely miss that there was a Blair Witch movie coming out until I heard people's reactions to the reveal -- by which time it was right before the film got released.
Did it get you to see the movie?
I guess what I'm wondering is, do you need a certain amount of lead-up time before a movie comes out for you to go see it? Like, if this new Predator movie had secretly been in development and was suddenly coming out tomorrow, would you watch it?
Quote from: Jacku on Nov 21, 2020, 01:38:07 AM
Dan's tweet makes me think the first teaser for this film wouldn't even be called Predator and we'd only know it was a predator film by hearing a classic predator sound in it or something.
Film sounds like it could be brutal. I'm imagining something like Predator meets The Revenant.
Disney is about to announce the adult section of Disney plus soon aren't they? Wonder if this would come up.
Apocalypto meets The Revenant
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Nov 20, 2020, 10:38:51 PM
I wonder if Marvel has any part in this. We got new books in 2021 so I wonder if that'll have anything to do here.
If they jettison ADI it does make me wonder what an ILM Predator would be like.
I've always wanted to see what Weta could do with a Predator movie.
I'm ready for the inevitable...
ADI failing to get the mouth right.
Bigger 'Super' Predator.
Finding a way to shit on the original design.
"We're doing something fresh with the Predator franchise".
But we've been here many times before so I'll be hyped right up until the films release with the hope that this is finally the movie we've been waiting for as fans.
You gotta be joking
I kind of hope it'll be a small budget affair and the story and characters are more impressive than any special effects.. Ive been reading some "If it bleeds" short stories and they would be great to base a smalll film on.
Anyway life's too short to complain and be miserable. I think it sounds great and I'm looking forward to seeing it!
Okay whatever what's the Alien thing?
I'll be interested to see how they take out a Predator with a bow and arrow.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 21, 2020, 09:04:25 AM
Okay whatever what's the Alien thing?
Honestly, this. Hicks can't just drop that and walk off. :P
Hi true predator fans. This is good news Rather than talking hours about this , just wait for it and give it a chance. Why not. You know , after " the crap of 2018 .... Anything will be good. What are we waiting for ? A story , reel actors ( no more " thought " guys acting like shit ) , a good musical score , good rubber costumes ( no more ADI crap ) hello WETA ......some good cgi no more politic... Stupid jokes...gender crap .... Blm ...FBI ... CIA ... No more secret agency ... No more millions $...no more ..DNA bla bla ... No more stupid ironman killer costume ...no more... Kid s stuff No more Flagg stuff , no more bigger army crap ...clone crap ... Robot shit ....no more bad director or screenwriter... No more reboot ...remake ..... No more blockbuster .... No more box office....
America is native's land. So ... Why not after all A movie with a Native & yautja spirit !!! Trees , desert , wind , animals , men , women and a ( or few ) predator A simple movie with a great story. That s all I want Come on Dan T Be good on this I'm waiting for so long , for a good predator movie I don't want to see this monster dying. Regards
Nice, I actually made a promise to myself to never look forward to another Predator movie but this actually sounds a little bit promising. Also regarding those who say it can't be made in the current movie climate:
1. It's a female protagonist as a warrior, Disney will LOVE that and make no mistake, this is the reason the movie got greenlit. Also, keep in mind, there is precedent for female comanche warriors and scouts.
2. This film costs literally nothing to make, especially if they go with unknown actors. Probably be 20 Million or something and that Will guarantee its financial "success", even if it's just going to rake in 60 million. Think blumhouse and not traditional Fox movies. My guess is the predator screen time will be kept to a minimum which makes absolutely sense if your main goal is to focus on the comanche as a people.
In the worst case, it will be another bad Predator movie that almost cost no money. In the best case, we might actually get a gritty new entry. I'd tell them to go full art-house/apocalypto with native comanche language and only english subtitles. Make it authentic with an eerie atmosphere instead of an action piece.
Very good news that Disney gave the OK for a new Predator film.
This raises my hopes that Disney might also approve a new Alien movie in the near future.
;)
A Alien project's already in progress.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 21, 2020, 09:04:25 AM
Okay whatever what's the Alien thing?
;D ;D
A couple of news stories broke yesterday about Sigourney Weaver returning. Their source was a Hollywood insider on twitter.... hopefully we hear something imminently. TV series or an Alien Isolation adaptation-of-sorts would be my dream announcement.
As soon as I heard this, I immediately thought of a new alien film. I do love the prequels but I think it's going to be something new.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Nov 21, 2020, 10:23:34 AMI'd tell them to go full art-house/apocalypto with native comanche language and only english subtitles. Make it authentic with an eerie atmosphere instead of an action piece.
I'd be down for this, but I get the feeling most people wouldn't.
f**k yes! Great news! Indigenous people vs Predator sounds right up my alley considering "Big Game" is my favorite EU story! I'm so hyped! Also guessing that the success of Hunting Grounds helped get this green lit.
Quote from: Tangakkai on Nov 21, 2020, 10:23:34 AM
1. It's a female protagonist as a warrior, Disney will LOVE that and make no mistake, this is the reason the movie got greenlit. Also, keep in mind, there is precedent for female comanche warriors and scouts.
I like a films with heroines like Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor, Laurie Strode, Jyn Erso.
But this confuses me:
Quoteagainst gender norms and traditions
It looks like this is another agenda-exploitation film. Although Disney is very neat in this matter. I really like Rouge-One and don't see any aggressive agenda in SW8-9, but FOX...
I have a title for you to call this movie. It is, wait for it, Pocahontas Vs Predator !
Quote from: seattle24 on Nov 21, 2020, 10:45:46 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 21, 2020, 09:04:25 AM
Okay whatever what's the Alien thing?
;D ;D
A couple of news stories broke yesterday about Sigourney Weaver returning. Their source was a Hollywood insider on twitter.... hopefully we hear something imminently. TV series or an Alien Isolation adaptation-of-sorts would be my dream announcement.
Sigourney returning would be a big deal. Really, really hoping this is legitimate.
Quote from: Huntsman on Nov 21, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
Sigourney returning would be a big deal. Really, really hoping this is Alien 3 retcon.
Agree.
Predator 5? well guess my ideas are on the back burner again lol
Quote from: Xenomrph on Nov 21, 2020, 06:56:39 AM
Did it get you to see the movie?
No. By the time I realised what it was I couldn't really be bothered to check it out in cinemas. I felt that hiding what it was for so long and pulling it out so late as a Blair Witch movie indicated they didn't have too much faith in the "franchise" and were relying on the surprise of the late reveal to push word of mouth.
And considering how underwhelming the film was for me, I feel I was right to be weary based on how it was marketed.
Why just don't let the franchise peacefully die with the little dignity it might still have...
Glad that most people are open to the idea of a woman leading a Predator movie.
To the people that aren't: Get a life.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 21, 2020, 04:23:48 AM
With them going back to the past in this, I feel like emphasis on a shared universe is the last thing on their minds. No bigger plan, no elaborate world-building, no AVP nonsense. Just a story about a Predator on a hunt.
Which is a good start, in my opinion. Now it is just a matter of whether the movie is actually any good.
Whilst I do agree, Im sure that was the blue print for all the other shockers we've had.
I think you can still have your predator on a hunt movie. Just give me a little indication you're not going to blow your load and we are back in the same spot we are every 4 years.
Always down for a new PREDATOR movie, though I wasn't sure what to make of the reported story line at first. I always like my favourite franchises to move forward with their timeline personally.
Now I've had time to let it sink in, I think this could be a good thing.
From a marketing standpoint, having a Predator film set in the past, tribal human characters, and female protagonist will stand out from the norm and grab attention. Add to that a director of a film I like very much, and this could be pretty cool.
Now, what's this about Alien?! ;D
I think Disney saw that despite the failure of the Shane Black movie, the Predator character still remains relevant in pop culture, and so they decided to try it again, thinking maybe of another AvP in the future.
I think this is Predator's last chance. Another failure and it's over. If the trailers and the story convince me until the launch, I will also give this last chance.
99% of people who watched the Shane Black Predator hated it. Some considered it as one of the worst films they have ever seen in their lives. And this film is recent and is still very much alive in people's memories. I don't know if they will be able to convince the public to go see another Predator movie after that. Even if the new one is a good film I think it will have a very weak box office. What reminds me of Judge Dredd's last film
Great more crap!
Ya know...i know it looks as though we have the plot all figured out. But we still don't have true confirmation. Is it at all possible the Skulls movie is just a separate project?
Quote from: Drukathi on Nov 21, 2020, 11:45:34 AM
Quote from: Tangakkai on Nov 21, 2020, 10:23:34 AM
1. It's a female protagonist as a warrior, Disney will LOVE that and make no mistake, this is the reason the movie got greenlit. Also, keep in mind, there is precedent for female comanche warriors and scouts.
I like a films with heroines like Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor, Laurie Strode, Jyn Erso.
But this confuses me:
Quoteagainst gender norms and traditions
It looks like this is another agenda-exploitation film. Although Disney is very neat in this matter. I really like Rouge-One and don't see any aggressive agenda in SW8-9, but FOX...
While I myself am also weary of purely agenda-driven films without believability behind them, I believe this is one setting where a story about a woman going against tradition actually makes sense. The comanche, though fairly egalitarian, were structured into patriarchal nuclear families. The father would lead the household, his sons would stay and marry women from other families while his daughters would be married into other families. So right there, you do have a premise where a woman would have to go against the social norms of her surrounding to prove herself. And at the same time, there are reports of comanche women participating in raids, meaning there was a possibility for women to join the war band. So right there we have a fairly believable backdrop for a story about a woman overcoming tradition. Not saying they will definitely pull it of, but at least it's a believable premise.
I also don't have a problem with it being a woman, I can think of ways that this could be quite a cool movie, but the fact that literally the first we hear of this movie, they're talking about the caracter being about going against gender norms is an odd move and it does make it seem like it could be one of those agenda-driven movies, which would be a pity. But still, I'm sure we've much more to hear and I won't judge until later.
Wow insulting people who have a different opinion how originally
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/arnold-schwarzenegger-new-predator-movie.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wegotthiscovered.com/movies/arnold-schwarzenegger-reportedly-interested-predator-movie/amp/
I don't know how legit this is
Likely not credible my guess!
https://twitter.com/DannyTRS/status/1329917023275651073
I like this one more than Skulls.
I'll take the "Skulls" concept over that fan treatment any day. I really couldn't care less about reoccurring characters/lore in a Predator movie. The Predator concept is barely even franchise potential as it is (Predator 2 being as fun as it is feels more like a fluke than anything. Predators had potential as a concept but I wish that Rodriguez himself directed it - the movie had no real OOMPH and just kind of meandered in its second half). But if we are going to get another one of these, then I see a small scale, period piece hunt like the "Skulls" synopsis as being the way to do it.
I think this is the time when Arnold still can play a veteran soldier.
But if they do another story we miss to see that. If he's coming back as Duch we can see what happened to him in the last 30+years. Hunting grounds was a succes so i thought that was something disney/fox want to start something with. I see more potential in the present Than to go back to the past. To see Duch build a New team against the predators or even Harrigan and Roys could come back there's a lot of thing that can be told.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 21, 2020, 06:09:11 PM
I'll take the "Skulls" concept over that fan treatment any day. I really couldn't care less about reoccurring characters/lore in a Predator movie. The Predator concept is barely even franchise potential as it is (Predator 2 being as fun as it is feels more like a fluke than anything. Predators had potential as a concept but I wish that Rodriguez himself directed it - the movie had no real OOMPH and just kind of meandered in its second half). But if we are going to get another one of these, then I see a small scale, period piece hunt like the "Skulls" synopsis as being the way to do it.
Absolutely. Predator would work as an anthology series, telling new stories with different characters each time. Sure you can have some overlap here and there, but it works best as a standalone each time. Bringing old characters back as fan service is just a cheap way to appeal to people, and looking at the last few Star Wars films, fan service does not make a good movie.
Plus Arnie and Glover are both well into their 70's now, and it is not going to be as believable fighting a predator.
I am excited. Very excited! However, some need to understand that people aren't turned off because the protagonist is female. They are turned off because of political agenda. For those of you that get offended by fanboys/fangirls just wanting a studio to focus on their beloved franchise instead of making a gender/racial political agenda rocket booster, don't be. I promise you that the VAST majority of fans, if not ALL of us would be excited if it wasn't already reported as a "strong female warrior, going against gender norms". Granted, Comanche women did have it rough, some even fought alongside male warriors (rare). I even read somewhere that they weren't even allowed to touch Eagle feathers because they weren't worthy. So, my point is...yes, Comanche women were tribally oppressed. Have it in your movie. Fine. But, don't tell us that this is the driving force of this film. Automatically polarizing fans, not because of a woman protagonist, but because the focus appears to be political rather than good Sci-fi. So stop getting offended, and telling us that we need to wake up. Because us misogynistic fans, grew up on Ellen Ripley, Machiko Noguchi and Sarah Connor. Nuff said (mic drop)................
(Mic pick up..sometime later)
After reading several comments about what this movie can be, I have been having nerdgasms all morning! My hopes are that this film really focuses not just on the main character, but the whole tribe. Hope its filmed in Revenant fashion and tone of Apocalypto (like some of you mentioned) I hope to see some VERY strong male warriors. A strong, and wise Chief. I want the female to be a much weaker warrior than the others, and she has to devote all of her time and effort in being the best she can be. She can't just pick up a bow and become Hawkeye, and pick up a light Sabre and be the strongest Jedi...is what I'm saying. I want to see her suffer, get beaten (not like female battery, just failing at becoming a warrior), taken down, "dragged across concrete" throughout the bulk of the film. I hope its only one Predator, I also hope that we don't see it until the end....because I hope the Predator has a secret for us fans....finally when all the male warriors have been taken as trophies, and our weathered, beaten, protagonist emerges with a whole can full of vengeance and whoop ass...we see the Predator we all have been waiting for...and SHE will be "One beautiful mother f***er". They fight, maybe for once the pred doesn't die. Instead of self sacrifice, she invites our protagonist to join the ranks of her tribe, because they have something in common. Then ramp up for Machiko-esque sequels, starting a whole new struggle tougher than on earth. If our female is the strongest warrior from the start without any suffering....this movie is doomed already.
That would be my opinionated pitch for this. It would be fail safe for fans and common movie goers. Might even please SJW's....nah not likely. ;D
Anyway, I know its long..but thanks for reading!
There are plenty of things that can mess this movie up.
A female lead isn't one of those things. At all.
Agree with
zackpred12. How about:
Quote'Skulls' will follow a Comanche woman who goes against a mysterious invisible spirit that exterminates the people of her tribe
Or
Quote'Skulls' will follow a Comanche woman who goes against a mysterious invisible spirit that exterminates the people of her tribe. And only she knows what kind of creature it is. Because it killed her father years ago.
Or even better
Quote'Skulls' will follow a Comanche woman who has only recently proven that she can stand on a par with men. As a beginner, she finds herself in a group of hunters that wandered into the forbidden valley. And now something is hunting the hunters. And only thanks to her natural ingenuity, she can resist this creature.
Imagine if every male-lead action film got this kind of scrutiny the minute it was announced, with people analyzing and debating about whether or not the lead is "capable" of accomplishing his task based solely on his gender and concocting hypothetical reasons that might "justify" his ability to do so?
This f**king thread smh
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 21, 2020, 07:32:44 PM
This f**king thread smh
I know, dude. People can't tell the difference between a strong female character and a Mary Sue. Realistic female characters who overcome the odds can and do work.
It's not even that, it's just all so tiresome at this point.
Quote from: R0N1N on Nov 21, 2020, 07:46:01 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 21, 2020, 07:32:44 PM
This f**king thread smh
I know, dude. People can't tell the difference between a strong female character and a Mary Sue. Realistic female characters who overcome the odds can and do work.
And why is this limited to "strong
female character" vs "Mary Sue?" Does the fact that she's female even matter here? Shouldn't people be looking for "a character who [can] overcome the odds" regardless of gender?
One would think. But time and time again, we see that this conversation only ever really happens in the case of a female lead... which is absolutely disgusting.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 21, 2020, 07:27:20 PM
Imagine if every male-lead action film got this kind of scrutiny the minute it was announced, with people analyzing and debating about whether or not the lead is "capable" of accomplishing his task based solely on his gender and concocting hypothetical reasons that might "justify" his ability to do so?
True.
Like for people who call themselves men, really do get their shit twisted like little whiny boys when a main female protagonist wants to achieve a different path in life than the normal cultural set. Also, dosent anyone remember that were female leads that did kill Predators the comics???
Plus, both Dutch, Harrigan, and Royce couldn't beat it in a straight up fight with pure strength alone, its all skills and wits from there. It always been either
luck (Dutch finding and using the counter weight to smash Jungle Hunter),
sheer will (Harrigan powers through fatigue and blood loss and thrusts the smart disk into City Hunter), or
assistance (Isabelle shot Mr. Black with her rifle, giving Royce the edge in killing Mr. Black.)
Strength plays no real deciding main factor in any of these final battles. Seeing a Comache warrior woman taking on a Predator using skills and wits will be a joy to see. its about time Native actors get their time to shine!
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 21, 2020, 07:59:49 PM
Like for people who call themselves men, really do get their shit twisted like little whiny boys
It's literally like toddlers. If they aren't getting 100% percent of the attention 100% of the time - tantrum.
And
even if they were right, the end result is a bad movie nobody is making you watch?
Hollywood makes the movies, so they get to make the decisions.
Nobody's going to be forced to watch the movie. It's a completely voluntary experience. See it, or skip it.
I hope they don't screw up the Predator design.
Quote from: R0N1N on Nov 21, 2020, 08:06:00 PM
I hope they don't screw up the Predator design.
This is the actual issue at hand.
Please god don't let it be a stupid Super-Predator. I hate those things more than the Crabators.
This sounds very back to basics. I wouldn't expect the Predator(s) to be anything out of left field. Probably a different face design, like Predator 2's compared to Predator's, so that it stands out as an individual, but it seems almost certain based on the premise that this will feature a classic Predator.
Yeah, I can't see them f**king with it too much in this case. On the off chance it's a female pred though, please spare us any lizard tits or chainmail bikinis.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 21, 2020, 08:25:35 PM
Yeah, I can't see them f**king with it too much in this case. On the off chance it's a female pred though, please spare us any lizard tits or chainmail bikinis.
^ This.
I hate when they give female characters chainmail bikinis in medieval games/movies. It's like, you're literally exposing her vital organs. I can't see them doing that with a female Pred.
A predator decked out in wolf pelts might be neat.
Quote from: R0N1N on Nov 21, 2020, 08:39:17 PM
I hate when they give female characters chainmail bikinis in medieval games/movies. It's like, you're literally exposing her vital organs. I can't see them doing that with a female Pred.
An unfortunate number of people over the years have assumed that "female pred = big tits and a princess leia getup". Doesn't seem likely here at all (again on the small chance anyone bothers with a female predator in the first place), but it needed saying.
I've always imagined the Predator species to be hermaphrodites.
My headcanon is that the bigger, angrier, uglier ones in Predators are the girls.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 21, 2020, 08:46:18 PM
My headcanon is that the bigger, angrier, uglier ones in Predators are the girls.
That's a good one. And there are some creatures on our world that are like that. Some will even eat the smaller males after mating :o
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 21, 2020, 08:25:35 PM
On the off chance it's a female pred though, please spare us any lizard tits...
"The creation of less abrasive mammaries is a perfectly legitimate reason to harvest OOMAN genetic material. I consider it, an absolute necessity" - Tit' Dee (Senior Medical Consultant to the Yautja Empire - 3rd Dynasty of the 4th age)
Get woke, go broke...
Kidding! This is a really intriguing concept for a Predator film, certainly has the potential to be far better than the last effort which was doomed from the outset. Just hope they don't mess with the Predator design, it really doesn't need "improving" on.
Hopefully we don't get a cardboard cutout "strong" female protagonist akin to alien covenant, and the less woke bullshit the better. It seems Hollywood forgot how to make a strong female lead and just virtue signals now.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 21, 2020, 08:25:35 PM
Yeah, I can't see them f**king with it too much in this case. On the off chance it's a female pred though, please spare us any lizard tits or chainmail bikinis.
Ya know, somehow I missed the opinions on the female design in PHG. I didn't mind them that much, although I wished they had a bit more muscle to show their strength over the males. Then again, chimps have the same muscle size as humans but much denser, therefore much stronger than us. You think the direction that PHG took for the female preds is a good sense to go foward?
Quote from: Throbbinwood on Nov 21, 2020, 09:34:40 PM
Hopefully we don't get a cardboard cutout "strong" female protagonist akin to alien covenant, and the less woke bullshit the better. It seems Hollywood forgot how to make a strong female lead and just virtue signals now.
Ahh yes! The cardboard cutout "strong" female protagonist that gets outsmarted by the evil psychotic robot and is about to have her body abused and mutilated as she becomes the source for his horrific experiments!
:D
I wanna see David taking her apart piece by piece so badly
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 21, 2020, 09:36:36 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 21, 2020, 08:25:35 PM
Yeah, I can't see them f**king with it too much in this case. On the off chance it's a female pred though, please spare us any lizard tits or chainmail bikinis.
Ya know, somehow I missed the opinions on the female design in PHG. I didn't mind them that much, although I wished they had a bit more muscle to show their strength over the males. Then again, chimps have the same muscle size as humans but much denser, therefore much stronger than us. You think the direction that PHG took for the female preds is a good sense to go foward?
I'm more for a PHG style female pred but don't imagine they'll have a female pred in this film.
I am seeing a combination of Apocalypto, Predator: Big Game and Predator: Turnabout in my minds eye and liking it.
If we ever do get a female predator I hope they do go with the sleek/sexy look. Cause I can't stand anymore bigger/super/mega predators.
Give me Hunting Grounds female Preds or just don't do it.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f7/19/63/f719639b1998f98196908c50d3fe3de2.jpg)
A modest feminine form, but easily recognizable as a Predator, a good balance.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Nov 21, 2020, 10:17:53 PM
If we ever do get a female predator I hope they do go with the sleek/sexy look. Cause I can't stand anymore bigger/super/mega predators.
My fingers are crossed for just variations on the base theme, the way cityhunter changed the original design without corrupting it or trying to one-up it.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 21, 2020, 09:36:36 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 21, 2020, 08:25:35 PM
Yeah, I can't see them f**king with it too much in this case. On the off chance it's a female pred though, please spare us any lizard tits or chainmail bikinis.
Ya know, somehow I missed the opinions on the female design in PHG. I didn't mind them that much, although I wished they had a bit more muscle to show their strength over the males. Then again, chimps have the same muscle size as humans but much denser, therefore much stronger than us. You think the direction that PHG took for the female preds is a good sense to go foward?
Would you post a pic? I'm on a potato phone and don't really keep up with vidya games.
Fixing to get violently killed dose not mean charcthar development and she has about much emotion as a piece of wood
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Nov 21, 2020, 08:41:32 PM
A predator decked out in wolf pelts might be neat.
This is what I was getting at before. I think given the supposed timeline this movie works if the predators goal is to hunt like a human would hunt using the land.
I'm getting Cowboys and Aliens vibes if the Predator is going full tech against a bunch of Leather and spears.
The protagonist could have revolvers and repeaters, since Mesoamerican tribes did trade with settlers.
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 21, 2020, 11:46:17 PM
The protagonist could have revolvers and repeaters, since Mesoamerican tribes did trade with settlers.
Still.....doesn't seem like the ultimate threat really does it. I see this movie trying to do a "wolverine" and move into the more grounded story's, which honestly is better.
It's simple. Focus on a good scipt and character development. Plug in any gender or whatever you want 2nd. It shouldn't be that difficult.
Ripley beat an alien with her brains. Sarah Connor crushed a Terminator using tenacity and brainpower. Dutch beat the predator using his wits and skills. Rocky couldn't even beat Apollo, he just had to stay up. Hell, Clarence Boddiker had Robocop helpless using intelligence. His testosterone and trying to go primal literally got him killed. Write stories like that.
An agenda shouldn't be the driving force. It does happen sometimes. It can be anything from "let's make it pg13" to " let's shit on men/women". The film suffers if story isn't the primary focus. I don't see how it's unreasonable to be a little apprehensive about that. On the flip side, the mere mention of Comanche woman shouldn't push one to assume too much at this point. It's more final girl trope, and that's fine too, and more than likely where it will go.
And what if the "agenda" is in service of the "story," which is an entirely plausible (and often effective) way to tackle narrative?
When they say the movie has been worked in for the past 4 years. What exactly would that entail? Story boards, concept art, script writing and revisions?
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 21, 2020, 10:31:31 PM
Would you post a pic? I'm on a potato phone and don't really keep up with vidya games.
The concept art that The Shuriken posted is a good idea of what the female design is in Hunting Grounds. But here is a more rendered one and the finalized ingame:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/andrzej-marszalek-shot-04-body.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HDgY1MMlsaY/maxresdefault.jpg)
There is also three types: Scout, Hunter, Berserker , goes from weakest to strongest in terms of shape and size. Scouts are slim lined for speed, Hunter is blend of strength and speed, Berserker is husky and thicc as hell. The one Shuriken and I posted is the Hunter class.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 22, 2020, 12:00:38 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 21, 2020, 10:31:31 PM
Would you post a pic? I'm on a potato phone and don't really keep up with vidya games.
The concept art that The Shuriken posted is a good idea of what the female design is in Hunting Grounds. But here is a more rendered one and the finalized ingame:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/andrzej-marszalek-shot-04-body.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HDgY1MMlsaY/maxresdefault.jpg)
There is also three types: Scout, Hunter, Berserker , goes from weakest to strongest in terms of shape and size. Scouts are slim lined for speed, Hunter is blend of strength and speed, Berserker is husky and thicc as hell. The one Shuriken and I posted is the Hunter class.
Thanks. I think the larger hips can work well, still too much boob for my taste in preds, which is generally, it should be difficult or impossible for a layperson to identify the sex of a pred ie; they all resemble a large human male to some extent.
I'm shocked they're moving forward so quickly with another movie, but I really like the sound of this so far. Not getting my hopes up but I've always wanted a simpler, stripped down predator film set in the past. There's a lot of potential, like a ton, of done well. Makes.le think of the Jungle Tales comic where the young man is off on his rite of passage, and returns to find his village butchered.
Like others have said the handling and design of the predator is really key, although I personally never want to see jungle hunter 2.0. I've enjoyed every design from P1, P2, and Predators 2010 as well.
If they do this film and it's brutal, simple, and treats the predator details well, I'm so on board.
Well I'll be damn! I'm out of here for two days and the new film gets announced?
(https://i.stack.imgur.com/SXHG5.gif)
About female lead, I hope whole emancipation angle is minimal and that we'll have Sarah Connor/ Ripley, strong yet vulnerable and flawed type, not another Rey Skywalker.
All things consider I'm super happy! Let's roll!
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 22, 2020, 12:33:14 AM
Thanks. I think the larger hips can work well, still too much boob for my taste in preds, which is generally, it should be difficult or impossible for a layperson to identify the sex of a pred ie; they all resemble a large human male to some extent.
Oh something like the female Berserker class then?
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/4e/8d/91/4e8d91a7705a797adda9365d39ba6076.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FXhbPL2.jpg)
It design muddled the guessing game of what's its gender a little more than the Hunter class design. Plus it helps sell the fact that the females are larger and stronger as it was said in many media.
All Predators in movies are girls. The females of their race are the equivalent of Schwarzenegger, because this is what a true woman of their species looks like. The little ones with curves are the real boys.
Big and tough = Female
Smaller and sexy = Male
The Comanche Indian was in New Mexico and two other states from what I have read. New Mexico is beautiful on film. Should look up Comanche Warrioir . We should see some good horsemanship or womanship in this.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 22, 2020, 03:18:39 AM
All Predators in movies are girls. The females of their race are the equivalent of Schwarzenegger, because this is what a true woman of their species looks like. The little ones with curves are the real boys.
Big and tough = Female
Smaller and sexy = Male
That would be such a twist lol
Quote from: The Shuriken on Nov 21, 2020, 10:31:00 PMGive me Hunting Grounds female Preds or just don't do it.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f7/19/63/f719639b1998f98196908c50d3fe3de2.jpg)
A modest feminine form, but easily recognizable as a Predator, a good balance.
No.
Who would they have mammaries at all? Look at that f**king mouth.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 22, 2020, 10:24:08 AM
Who would they have mammaries at all? Look at that f**king mouth.
Haven't we been through this already ?
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=63159.0 (https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=63159.0)
So when is this going to production? release date? cast news? budget news?
What a great news!!!
We don't see what's under PHG female Predators's chest armor. Might be just bone structure or the shape of the armor, no boobs.
Their shoulder-waist-hips ratio in comparison to the males was great, Predator males are based of human males so its fitting that the females would have more feminine human-like proportions. One of the best things PHG has settled in regards to the creatures.
At least the Hish's sex benders are gone for good.
Love the news but I feel like Hawkeye in Endgame.....dont give me hope
You mean like this ?
Quote from: Rankles75 on Nov 21, 2020, 01:33:18 AM
https://media1.giphy.com/media/dyLlCJSNbgFghf7wjT/giphy.gif
@Samhain13 If you look at the FemPred 3d model she has breasts underneath the plate armor and the breast wrap. ;)
A Predator movie set in the past with modern day identity politics. I'll pass. I'll just reread Predator: 1718 again.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 22, 2020, 02:27:38 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 22, 2020, 12:33:14 AM
Thanks. I think the larger hips can work well, still too much boob for my taste in preds, which is generally, it should be difficult or impossible for a layperson to identify the sex of a pred ie; they all resemble a large human male to some extent.
Oh something like the female Berserker class then?
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/4e/8d/91/4e8d91a7705a797adda9365d39ba6076.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FXhbPL2.jpg)
It design muddled the guessing game of what's its gender a little more than the Hunter class design. Plus it helps sell the fact that the females are larger and stronger as it was said in many media.
Sorry for the late reply Mr.Turok.
I'mma be real with you, some of those designs have some great details, but even the modest suggestion of breasts going on is too much for me. You'll never convince me something with a face like that is designed for suckling.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 22, 2020, 10:24:08 AM
Quote from: The Shuriken on Nov 21, 2020, 10:31:00 PMGive me Hunting Grounds female Preds or just don't do it.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f7/19/63/f719639b1998f98196908c50d3fe3de2.jpg)
A modest feminine form, but easily recognizable as a Predator, a good balance.
No.
Who would they have mammaries at all? Look at that f**king mouth.
Yup.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 22, 2020, 10:24:08 AM
Quote from: The Shuriken on Nov 21, 2020, 10:31:00 PMGive me Hunting Grounds female Preds or just don't do it.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f7/19/63/f719639b1998f98196908c50d3fe3de2.jpg)
A modest feminine form, but easily recognizable as a Predator, a good balance.
No.
Who would they have mammaries at all? Look at that f**king mouth.
Because aliens. Be reptilian crab things and have mammaries? Sure. I'd get use to it. HG female Predators had to be approved by studio execs I'm sure, so I'm thinking this is the form they will retain.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Nov 22, 2020, 07:07:34 PM
Be reptilian crab things and have mammaries?
Let me stop you right there.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 22, 2020, 07:14:12 PM
Quote from: The Shuriken on Nov 22, 2020, 07:07:34 PM
Be reptilian crab things and have mammaries?
Let me stop you right there.
Umm...nah. I will continue. :-* My mind won't be changed and neither will yours. But anyway. How did we get into this again? Are we suspecting that because this film has a woman warrior protagonist, the antagonist Predator will be female?
Quote from: The Shuriken on Nov 22, 2020, 07:18:19 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 22, 2020, 07:14:12 PM
Quote from: The Shuriken on Nov 22, 2020, 07:07:34 PM
Be reptilian crab things and have mammaries?
Let me stop you right there.
Umm...nah. I will continue. :-* My mind won't be changed and neither will yours. But anyway. How did we get into this again? Are we suspecting that because this film has a woman warrior protagonist, the antagonist Predator will be female?
It started with me saying "on the off-chance" since that feels like about the only time they'd do it, if still unlikely, but it's a hot button issue and it ran away from us all I think.
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 22, 2020, 04:56:57 PM
You mean like this ?
Quote from: Rankles75 on Nov 21, 2020, 01:33:18 AM
https://media1.giphy.com/media/dyLlCJSNbgFghf7wjT/giphy.gif
Yes! :laugh: I am late to the party my bad.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 22, 2020, 05:49:34 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 22, 2020, 03:18:39 AM
All Predators in movies are girls. The females of their race are the equivalent of Schwarzenegger, because this is what a true woman of their species looks like. The little ones with curves are the real boys.
Big and tough = Female
Smaller and sexy = Male
That would be such a twist lol
But seriously :laugh: Predators may be humanoid and share some similarities with humans: head, arms, legs, bipedal posture, etc. Something like convergent evolution.
(https://i.ibb.co/tPXvnCt/Pics-Art-11-22-04-28-44.jpg)
However, that doesn't mean that they have mammalian anatomy. For example, a bat has wings but doesn't possess feathers, scales, or lays eggs like birds and reptiles.
(https://i.ibb.co/GshBPSP/Pics-Art-11-22-04-29-58.jpg)
Predators look reptilian (with a crustacean mouth :laugh:) and I don't think they have breasts at all (females).
They can of course use the excuse of making them "relatable" to a less nerdy audience by introducing a female human-like Pred.
And then explaining that it's not breasts, but muscle in an attempt to keep everyone happy :laugh:
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 22, 2020, 07:50:55 PM
And then explaining that it's not breasts, but muscle in an attempt to keep everyone happy :laugh:
Worst of both worlds lol
Male Predators don't have nipples, ergo, female Predators can't have breasts with them, and without them, they serve no purpose.
Checkmate atheists.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 22, 2020, 08:32:06 PM
Male Predators don't have nipples, ergo, female Predators can't have breasts with them, and without them, they serve no purpose.
Checkmate atheists.
THANK YOU
Quote from: Nameless_one on Nov 22, 2020, 05:21:49 PM
@Samhain13 If you look at the FemPred 3d model she has breasts underneath the plate armor and the breast wrap. ;)
Pics or it didn't happen.
But why would a Male predator have curves?
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 22, 2020, 08:10:33 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 22, 2020, 07:50:55 PM
And then explaining that it's not breasts, but muscle in an attempt to keep everyone happy :laugh:
Worst of both worlds lol
As long as they don't follow Rule 34, everything will be fine. Now that would be extremely cringy :-X
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 22, 2020, 08:32:30 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 22, 2020, 08:32:06 PM
Male Predators don't have nipples, ergo, female Predators can't have breasts with them, and without them, they serve no purpose.
Checkmate atheists.
THANK YOU
(https://i.ibb.co/9cScCTN/gif-2.gif)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 22, 2020, 09:47:16 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 22, 2020, 08:10:33 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 22, 2020, 07:50:55 PM
And then explaining that it's not breasts, but muscle in an attempt to keep everyone happy :laugh:
Worst of both worlds lol
As long as they don't follow Rule 34, everything will be fine. Now that would be extremely cringy :-X
Giving predators boobs is already the laziest rule 63 imaginable.
Fix the mandibles they can put tits on it if they like. I don't think we will see a female Predator, kinda smacks of a cigar smoking boss coming up with the next big idea for Predatorz.
Quote from: Highland on Nov 22, 2020, 11:37:59 PM
Fix the mandibles they can put tits on it if they like. I don't think we will see a female Predator, kinda smacks of a cigar smoking boss coming up with the next big idea for Predatorz.
It does seem very unlikely, thankfully.
Getting a strong virgin vibe in my peter tingle .
Well if it's true that Disney is always pushing a feminist agenda, Then the predator will be male. The female hero will defeat the pinnacle of male masculinity and crush the patriarchy. :laugh:
That's be pretty neat, considering that the original Predator was all about the Predator upending traditional 80s masculinity, too!
I am thinking the human female narrative and storyline will run parallel with a female predator. Both getting put in place by the higher ups and both craving a hunt or fight . Maybe not.
Predator is a franchise born out of taking the piss out of excess "masculinity" in films so seems pretty fitting.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 22, 2020, 08:32:30 PM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 22, 2020, 08:32:06 PM
Male Predators don't have nipples, ergo, female Predators can't have breasts with them, and without them, they serve no purpose.
Checkmate atheists.
THANK YOU
Except male mammals like horses and mice don't have nipples while the females do, so that argument was always a bit leaky.
Quiet, you.
(https://i.imgur.com/tYvkh9S.gif)
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FilthyRareBustard-small.gif)
If only Dutch had made a tape regarding the Predboob question.
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 22, 2020, 09:35:35 PM
But why would a Male predator have curves?
Muscular curves.
Trying to milk a male Predator must be like trying to milk a Bull 🤭
Predator Milk will be the white goo that they use to mutate their prey in this one.
We already have the Engineers black mutating goo.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 23, 2020, 01:56:49 AM
We already have the Engineers black mutating goo.
It's like pottery, it rhymes.
Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 23, 2020, 01:56:49 AM
We already have the Engineers black mutating goo.
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/454df05a-c590-4bd7-b3a0-734b0f26c6ac/d5lonet-2cb6c8e0-5611-4319-a593-d8c7651d4f41.gif?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3sicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvNDU0ZGYwNWEtYzU5MC00YmQ3LWIzYTAtNzM0YjBmMjZjNmFjXC9kNWxvbmV0LTJjYjZjOGUwLTU2MTEtNDMxOS1hNTkzLWQ4Yzc2NTFkNGY0MS5naWYifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6ZmlsZS5kb3dubG9hZCJdfQ.DQw_7i5BQNRyiyoqnyClHPUefuPPzdlHfik5sgev8Jo)
Wow, wasn't expecting this news!
Is there anything concrete or is it just "Native American female lead. Set in the past. Preds"?
I know a lot of people have been calling for a period piece for some time, but I don't see how it works unless the Preds have no cloaking and/or future tech.
What I will say is there could be scope for some really good set pieces and cinematic elements in a rocky/cavernous canyon.
Quote from: Huntsman on Nov 21, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
Quote from: seattle24 on Nov 21, 2020, 10:45:46 AM
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 21, 2020, 09:04:25 AM
Okay whatever what's the Alien thing?
;D ;D
A couple of news stories broke yesterday about Sigourney Weaver returning. Their source was a Hollywood insider on twitter.... hopefully we hear something imminently. TV series or an Alien Isolation adaptation-of-sorts would be my dream announcement.
Sigourney returning would be a big deal. Really, really hoping this is legitimate.
I'm afraid it's not. Just more trash from We Got This Covered.
Quote from: The Shuriken on Nov 21, 2020, 02:34:50 PM
Ya know...i know it looks as though we have the plot all figured out. But we still don't have true confirmation. Is it at all possible the Skulls movie is just a separate project?
I think given Dan's disappointment, no. I think Skulls was supposed to be that surprise reveal. I really feel for him, but as someone who enjoys covering the hell out of these movies, that it might have been completely missed and off my radar until the big reveal came, I'm kind of glad it didn't go down that way.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 23, 2020, 12:11:12 AM
Predator is a franchise born out of taking the piss out of excess "masculinity" in films so seems pretty fitting.
Can we pin this so that the entire forum can see it?
k thanks.
Quote from: Lionhart on Nov 21, 2020, 04:58:44 PM
https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/arnold-schwarzenegger-new-predator-movie.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wegotthiscovered.com/movies/arnold-schwarzenegger-reportedly-interested-predator-movie/amp/
I don't know how legit this is
Never. If you see anything come from WeGotThisCovered or GiantFreakingRobot, just don't even click the links. Don't give them the ad revenue. Absolute trash sites, with fabricated exclusives and stories.
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I'll take the "Skulls" concept over that fan treatment any day. I really couldn't care less about reoccurring characters/lore in a Predator movie. The Predator concept is barely even franchise potential as it is (Predator 2 being as fun as it is feels more like a fluke than anything. Predators had potential as a concept but I wish that Rodriguez himself directed it - the movie had no real OOMPH and just kind of meandered in its second half). But if we are going to get another one of these, then I see a small scale, period piece hunt like the "Skulls" synopsis as being the way to do it.
Absolutely. Predator would work as an anthology series, telling new stories with different characters each time. Sure you can have some overlap here and there, but it works best as a standalone each time. Bringing old characters back as fan service is just a cheap way to appeal to people, and looking at the last few Star Wars films, fan service does not make a good movie.
Plus Arnie and Glover are both well into their 70's now, and it is not going to be as believable fighting a predator.
Yeah, I'm in with this as well. Predator just has the flexibility within its premise to do this kind of thing. To be an anthology-style series. Don't get me wrong - it also has the potential to do an on-going premise like Hunters was, but it can just as easily fit anywhere and do anything.
My only concern is with the characters taking too long to catch up with the viewers. Granted I haven't looked into comanche culture just yet, but I'm hoping they'll use folklore to get around this and actually get up to speed with us fairly quickly.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 21, 2020, 07:13:10 PM
There are plenty of things that can mess this movie up.
A female lead isn't one of those things. At all.
Indeed. As Skhelter pointed out above me with Sil's quote, the first film was directly highlighting and mocking excess masculinity. Predator has more depth and meaning than a lot of people tend to give it credit for.
It's nice to see them finally switch up the gender too. While I'd prefer an all female cast for the next Alien, I wonder if we might get some change when that returns. Now are we going to get a deliberately designed female Predator in this too?
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 21, 2020, 08:14:11 PM
Please god don't let it be a stupid Super-Predator. I hate those things more than the Crabators.
Just none of the genetic manipulation in this at all please. I imagine it wont. And I'm thankful. It's a tiresome trope.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 21, 2020, 08:46:18 PM
My headcanon is that the bigger, angrier, uglier ones in Predators are the girls.
I used to like to imagine everyone we've seen so far is female.
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My headcanon is that the bigger, angrier, uglier ones in Predators are the girls.
I used to like to imagine everyone we've seen so far is female.
Why ?
that's an interesting revelation. i'm guessing the plans got turned upside down by the pandemic - just my opinion. has there been any notable precedents for such a marketing campaign?
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My headcanon is that the bigger, angrier, uglier ones in Predators are the girls.
I used to like to imagine everyone we've seen so far is female.
Why ?
Because I really dislike the boobs on Predators design, so if every one we've seen so far is already female, problem solved. :)
I'm not sure an all female/male cast works for anything. I think females being dominant is cool , but only if they are outshining the men. Mad Max springs to mind.
Feels a bit forced for me.
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Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 21, 2020, 08:46:18 PM
My headcanon is that the bigger, angrier, uglier ones in Predators are the girls.
I used to like to imagine everyone we've seen so far is female.
Why ?
Because I really dislike the boobs on Predators design, so if every one we've seen so far is already female, problem solved. :)
Nice and simple
if they eventually do go with a female predator and portray one with "BEWBIES" i'll shrug and go "eh, whatever."
(which is what i did at the recent game).
I'm sure the forums will be filled with people who will say it doesn't make sense.
But i'll just remember that this is an alien species with a tribal culture and spacefaring technology.
They're already a """"bit""""" nonsensical.
At its heart, Predator always leans towards a pulp tone and aesthetic. A decent amount of nonsense is fine and part of what makes pulp stories distinct from everything else.
But overall I really just want to pick up a giant cartoon hammer and wack the heads of people who treat Predator like it needs to have 2001 Space Odyssey levels of internal logic. :laugh:
If he's been in it for 4 years, maybe Skulls wasn't a Predator movie at the beginning and ended up transforming himself at the studio's request, which surprisingly decided not to let Predator die after the last movie.
Having a female Predator being a smaller, more elegant looking predator with breasts is the boring route to take. I'd say go all out, make her be something totally different in the sense of scale, colour, facial structure.
Quote from: Highland on Nov 23, 2020, 11:50:07 AM
I'm not sure an all female/male cast works for anything. I think females being dominant is cool , but only if they are outshining the men. Mad Max springs to mind.
Feels a bit forced for me.
The Descent. Not a man in site after minute 1.
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 23, 2020, 12:05:43 PMif they eventually do go with a female predator and portray one with "BEWBIES" i'll shrug and go "eh, whatever."
My hatred of Predator tits has probably been fuelled by the vast number of pathetic hyper-sexualised renditions you see all over the web. I just do not get that shit at all.
But even so, there are so many more
interesting things you could do to differentiate the sexes. These things are
alien. Why conform to human biology just for the sake of being obvious? Aside from the fact the vast majority of species on just
our planet don't show that kind of sexual dimorphism, it's just freaking lazy. Do something more imaginative, and if you still desperately feel the need to let everyone know it's different because it's female, do it in the marketing or merchandise.
I've always liked to think the Predator in the second film could've been female; it's got that weird bony crown on its head that we've literally never seen any other Predator have. Something like that would be so much more interesting than sticking tits on it.
If the female predator is designed like some weird bizarro teen idea of a masturbation fantasy then.... yeah.. that'll be really shitty.
The ones in the recent game weren't like that though, so...
I will never get why so many fans want the females to be something like the Berserkers from Gears of War, seems like a femdom fantasy. Or some Perry fans that even after all these years are still holding to the idea that the females should be bigger.
The other extreme of having them with too feminine traits and being sexualized is also bad, the Predator males don't look excessively manly/muscular after all.
But PHG already got it right for the most part, their face/heads structures, dreadlocks and roars are also different from the males as well now. And since the game is considered canon for them, then that apperance its probably gonna stick for a while.
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Quote from: Highland on Nov 23, 2020, 11:50:07 AM
I'm not sure an all female/male cast works for anything. I think females being dominant is cool , but only if they are outshining the men. Mad Max springs to mind.
Feels a bit forced for me.
The Descent. Not a man in site after minute 1.
I mean I'm sure you could find examples, but as vast as the Alien Galaxy is , just wouldn't make sense to me. Unless you also did a kind of small Decent style horror.
I don't think it makes any more or less sense than male or female dominated professions, or just straight up work locations. I can walk into certain locations at work and find nothing but one gender or the other. I can walk into others and find mostly woman with 1 or 2 blokes. And the same reversed. It's a none issue for me.
As I mentioned before, the female designs in Hunting Grounds had to be approved by someone high on the food chain with this franchise. So the feminine form with bombs was approved in official media for the series. For those detractors that don't like those type of designs, I would brace for impact should a female appear in a movie.
On a side note. This film has been in the planning stages since 2016, during the production of The Predator. With that movie being a complete bomb and embarrassment to the series, I'm surprised the powers that be decided to keep this film going. Perhaps this shows that the film has great potential? It could have easily been canceled.
Aliens: Colonial Marines was also approved by people at Fox... and we all know how much that factored into other media down the line.
Fox must have been victim of Randy Pitchford's magic tricks. They were all pawns on his game of deceive.
Another terminator dark fate sjw horse sheeeet coming right out :)
Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 23, 2020, 02:55:35 PM
I will never get why so many fans want the females to be something like the Berserkers from Gears of War, seems like a femdom fantasy. Or some Perry fans that even after all these years are still holding to the idea that the females should be bigger.
As someone who stated a few pages back he think the big ones in Predators are the girls, I would like to react to this.
First up, I f**king hate Perry, and the end result of my claim being similar is a bit of an irony. Second, I'm sure there's someone out there saying the same thing for femdom reasons, but for me it's mostly a contrarian reaction to "sexy" depictions, by going for something hideous and very unfeminine, and conveniently already in a movie.
Quote from: lol on Nov 23, 2020, 05:59:34 PM
Another terminator dark fate sjw horse sheeeet coming right out :)
Ahh yes! Terminator! James Cameron
never used those movies to make political statements or to tell the story of a woman that grows and overcomes a significant challenge placed in front of her! ::)
With the help of a man to unlock her full potential yes. No wonder Dark Fate failed.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 23, 2020, 06:18:22 PM
As someone who stated a few pages back he think the big ones in Predators are the girls, I would like to react to this.
First up, I f**king hate Perry, and the end result of my claim being similar is a bit of an irony. Second, I'm sure there's someone out there saying the same thing for femdom reasons, but for me it's mostly a contrarian reaction to "sexy" depictions, by going for something hideous and very unfeminine, and conveniently already in a movie.
I get that, that's something I really liked that they did with the female Locust on the Gears of War series, which have a matriachal society and fits well with the creatures. But for Predators I wouldn't want the same route. Also we already have that with the Aliens as well.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 22, 2020, 06:36:31 PM
Sorry for the late reply Mr.Turok.
I'mma be real with you, some of those designs have some great details, but even the modest suggestion of breasts going on is too much for me. You'll never convince me something with a face like that is designed for suckling.
Ehhh its fine, we are all doing something ya know.
Well....if you recall your literature, they called young Predators pups and sucklings so....... ::)
Not to mention platypus are mammals that can lay eggs, have venom, and give milk so Preds are just the platypus of the galactic community.
At the end of the day though, I just don't mind the idea of boobs on a Pred if the design follows PHG. I seen some crazy ass artwork of female preds in chainmail bikinis or other forms of obvious fap material and I'm just so sick of that shit.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 23, 2020, 01:51:51 AM
Predator Milk will be the white goo that they use to mutate their prey in this one.
Bet it glows in the dark too huh? You don't need ultraviolet light to reveal that on the floor huh lol :laugh:
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 23, 2020, 06:48:54 PM
Well....if you recall your literature
I do my best to forget it lol. I don't think I'm actually a fan of any established deeper lore for Preds, I prefer them mysterious and unknowable in the same way deer don't get how human society works.
Predator "lore" and "aesthetic" should have a "Space-Conan" or "space-MadMax" vibe to it. Rough, rugged and savage, with an emphasis on heroic myth and legend. Remember the "devil that hunts men" stuff from the first film? More of that, please.
All the Yautja stuff makes them feel like some species that Kirk would find on Star Trek. Like the Klingons younger brothers or something.
The tone feels way off. All the shit about "honor" gives me a headache.
A big mistep from the recent movies was also abandoning all the weird, orange-glow spaceship interiors from Predator 2 in favor of some super squeaky clean metallic designs that look like they were rejected from some Marvel movie.
Aesthetic-wise... give me more skull and bones necklaces, as well.
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 23, 2020, 07:14:16 PM
Predator "lore" and "aesthetic" should have a "Space-Conan" or "space-MadMax" vibe to it. Rough, rugged and savage, with an emphasis on heroic myth and legend. Remember the "devil that hunts men" stuff from the first film? More of that, please.
All the Yautja stuff makes them feel like some species that Kirk would find on Star Trek. Like the Klingons younger brothers or something.
The tone feels way off. All the shit about "honor" gives me a headache.
A big mistep from the recent movies was also abandoning all the weird, orange-glow spaceship interiors from Predator 2 in favor of some super squeaky clean metallic designs that look like they were rejected from some Marvel movie.
Aesthetic-wise... give me more skull and bones necklaces, as well.
Quality post right here.
I agree with some of the stuff you're saying they should have kept the predator 2 ship interior but the "honor" thing Is what make the predator the predator there not some galactic invaders hunting for the best dna.There were big game hunters and we are the lions.If they didn't had honor the orginal predator would have kept it's gear on and killed dutch.In predator 2 they would have ganged up on Danny Glover character
Skhellter, you are on the money. Big Time
In the case of Jungle Hunter and Dutch, it felt more like he was taking his time to enjoy beating the shit out of a worthy opponent, he was sadistically playing with his food, killing Dutch fast wouldn't be as fun.
While I agree letting Harrigan leave was a form of respect and honor towards him, could be just a thing that the Elder in charge of the clan was into though.
Speaking of the Elder, I was just saying the Comanche Tribe and the Raphael Adolini flintlock both fall within the same time period. Could it be possible Predator 5 will feature the Elder in his prime?
It's fun to imagine.
I always found the concept of an honor system interesting, but I don't want to see the predators humanized anymore or have another forced team up with us. The city hunter sparing Leona in the subway and not killing unarmed people is about the most we ever need to see of that kind of thing. As already said, mayne that was just their thing in that group. There's no saying that they would all necessarily act that way.
Predator 2 expanded the character without ruining or over explaining anything. All the weird details, even down to them occasionally talking (City Hunter when he notices something is off in the slaughterhouse, elder at the very end), just makes them more mysterious and interesting imo. Compare that to The Predator where we are shown and told how and why they do certain things, and we literally have subtitles for their speech, it just isn't the same. Not to mention abandoning the crazy unique ship design for the AVP style sleek generic stuff.
Predators was a middle ground for me. For what it's worth, I thought the hunting camp was a fantastic set.
The announcement of predator 5 was certainly a shock. I would have loved to see what Dan had in mind for the "big reveal." It could have been really amazing.He does seem pretty upset about the announcement. I wonder who dropped the ball and how this got out?
There are post that are not supposed to be taken seriously :laugh:
Totally did not see this coming. Great news (I hope).
I was surprised and it is a pandemic so any good news is most welcome.
Even if I assumed Disney would do something with it soonish.
I am excited and surprised still this is happening.
Its in its way similar to the trailer for what looked like a romantic comedy titled Being Green, when you got to the mid point of the trailer revealing Kermit the Frog it turned out to be a Muppets movies, or how M. Night Shyamalan's Split turned out to be connected to Unbreakable, or for the promotion of a horror film called the Woods only to discover is a new BLAIR WITCH movie. or when Prometheus came out there was all the Is it OR Isn't it an Alien Prequel, though the reporting of the Alien prequel and how it was supposedly canceled replacing it with original only to learn its still in the Alien universe caused confusion. Disappointing how we'll never see how they had intended. They could still market aspects of this project without displaying the director's name and without giving away spoilers.
I wouldn't really say that the Prometheus situation is anything comparable to this. Prometheus was initially born as a direct prequel to Alien, and it was announced as such. Then, at some point in pre-production, it started transitioning away from that "direct" prequel aspect, while still remaining within the universe and set prior to Alien, and Fox was very open about that, too.
The confusion there stemmed more from fans making a bigger deal of the term "Alien DNA" than they really needed to. From the marketing end, they were rather explicit about Prometheus' intentions.
They could do what they did with Predators. Abduct the protagonist and have the movie set on a Predator planet.
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 24, 2020, 01:54:40 AM
They could do what they did with Predators. Abduct the protagonist and have the movie set on a Predator planet.
I thought that was a really neat idea in
Predators that did offer a fair amount of potential, but ultimately, they didn't do much at all of note with the concept. The film started off pretty strong but just kind of petered off by the end. The second half of the film (everything post-Noland's death, especially) felt more like a loose string of events without any real driving momentum. Maybe if Robert Rodriguez had directed the film itself, that might have been different...
I wouldn't be opposed to another stab at the game preserve planet concept eventually, but I would also be just as fine to never go back to it as well. Given the premise here, I'd rather just see something simple and (quite literally) down to Earth, in a period setting, that really emphasizes the more brutal, stylistic elements of the first to movies.
I'm going to echo this sentiment for what I think should be leaned into with this next installment:
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 23, 2020, 07:14:16 PM
Predator "lore" and "aesthetic" should have a "Space-Conan" or "space-MadMax" vibe to it. Rough, rugged and savage, with an emphasis on heroic myth and legend. Remember the "devil that hunts men" stuff from the first film? More of that, please.
All the Yautja stuff makes them feel like some species that Kirk would find on Star Trek. Like the Klingons younger brothers or something.
The tone feels way off. All the shit about "honor" gives me a headache.
A big mistep from the recent movies was also abandoning all the weird, orange-glow spaceship interiors from Predator 2 in favor of some super squeaky clean metallic designs that look like they were rejected from some Marvel movie.
Aesthetic-wise... give me more skull and bones necklaces, as well.
I would honestly be more than happy to never hear "Yautja" or "honor" brought up in relation to a Predator narrative again.
me too. I never want to hear anything about young bloods, elites, elders, blooded, bad bloods or any of that crap. A predator is a predator PERIOD. Stop trying to divide them up into groups, the movies are never going to explain any of it anyway.
The "dogs vs wolves" element in Predators is as far as I would ever care to see that stuff go, and even that was a little too far for me (though in comparison to most other expanded Predator "worldbuilding," I'll take it).
Keep all of that junk from the AVP films, The Predator, and basically any of the comics/novels that dabble in these elements wayyyyyy out of here, thank you very much.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Nov 24, 2020, 02:27:40 AM
me too. I never want to hear anything about young bloods, elites, elders, blooded, bad bloods or any of that crap. A predator is a predator PERIOD. Stop trying to divide them up into groups, the movies are never going to explain any of it anyway.
I sitll need the alien hunting club aboard the space bus, where the Predator is just one of the hunters among the other species on board. I bet it is as charming as the Mos Eisley Cantina.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 24, 2020, 02:10:03 AM
I would honestly be more than happy to never hear "Yautja" or "honor" brought up in relation to a Predator narrative again.
Well dats not how the Thomas Brothers created/wrote them, so....
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Hey, didn't you say you're not even a fan of Predator in general? Problem is solved! ;)
When did everyone go anti-lore all of a sudden?
I thought the appeal was they weren't the slandered take over the world aliens or slasher monsters, that they had a unique culture with a code of honor and various technology and ideologies. Otherwise they are no better than the regular serial killer.
Guess they are just The Predator fans....
Alien fans vs Predator lore?
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 24, 2020, 02:37:32 AM
When did everyone go anti lore all of a sudden?
Guess they are just The Predator fans....
I'm an Alien fan. I love Predator 2 though.
First 3 movies had it right in regards to their world building.
"honor" does come into play a tiny bit (the 2nd movie expands on this a fair bit) but... it shouldn't be complicated to the extent that they are turned into "space samurai" or whatever.
At the end of Predator 2, everyone else wanted to kill Harrigan really fast.
It was no complicated "honor code" that stopped them from doing so.
It was only the whim of that older Predator.
depictions of "honor" and what is "fair game" or not should change from Predator to Predator.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 24, 2020, 02:37:15 AM
Hey, didn't you say you're not even a fan of Predator in general? Problem is solved! ;)
I'm a fan of the movies (mainly the first two, especially the second, and to some degree
Predators) but I am not so much a fan of the "lore" and franchise surrounding them. Especially stuff like
The Predator and the AVPs, what with all of these factions and ranks and whatnot.
Sci-fi horror in general is something that I absolutely love, though. And I love westerns as well, so if this new one can play into those elements and synthesize them into something that really delivers, then hardcore Predator fan or not, that sounds like a film that I can very much get into.
^ Cool! :)
Thomas Brothers explained Predator 2 is the "bible" for the Predator character. They are a race of sports hunters. They do have a system of honor and code, per them. Like American hunters believe they have honor, when they go to church on Sundays after slaughtering defenseless animals with high powered weapons in camouflage on Saturdays.
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Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 24, 2020, 02:37:32 AM
When did everyone go anti lore all of a sudden?
Guess they are just The Predator fans....
I'm an Alien fan. I love Predator 2 though.
Ah makes sense how watered down they want it.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 24, 2020, 02:43:47 AM
I'm a fan of the movies (mainly the first two, especially the second, and to some degree Predators) but I am not so much a fan of the "lore" and franchise surrounding them. Especially stuff like The Predator and the AVPs, what with all of these factions and ranks and whatnot.
Sci-fi horror in general is something that I absolutely love, though. And I love westerns as well, so if this new one can play into those elements and synthesize them into something that really delivers, then hardcore Predator fan or not, that sounds like a film that I can very much get into.
I mean, what is the point of having a unique alien race if they are just wearing the "kill everything" hat. Why should a highly intelligent and cognitive race should not have some degree of interesting culture and lore that differentiate itself from other aliens and creatures in media?
Again, the kill everything mentality works on Aliens but we are talking about Predators here. You can't fit that mindset on those beings. They aren't a hivemind like the xenos are.
Alien fans should just leave Predator lore be.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 24, 2020, 02:49:48 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 24, 2020, 02:41:42 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 24, 2020, 02:37:32 AM
When did everyone go anti lore all of a sudden?
Guess they are just The Predator fans....
I'm an Alien fan. I love Predator 2 though.
Ah makes sense how watered down they want it.
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Damn that really sucks, I completely understand his dissappointment. Its so rare we get a cool reveal unless we're sleeper fans, and have total appreciation for a creator with a vision.
Still, totally excited
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 24, 2020, 02:37:32 AM
When did everyone go anti-lore all of a sudden?
I thought the appeal was they weren't the slandered take over the world aliens or slasher monsters, that they had a unique culture with a code of honor and various technology and ideologies. Otherwise they are no better than the regular serial killer.
Precisely. 100% This what differentiates Predators from the hundreds of other monsters that want to kill, kill, kill, draw blood, blood, blood, eat flesh, flesh, flesh. Cause I'm an evil psychotic monster grrrrrrr!!!
I always got a bit of a serial killer vibe from the first couple films. The Predators are clearly here to have fun doing their thing - they want to kill some folks, collect a few skulls, and either go back home with their trophies or blow themselves up if they get bested. Some of them definitely have some degree of respect for their prey if it puts up a good fight (hence the first one stripping down to fight Dutch on "even" terms, and the leader in the second film giving Harrigan the pistol after he took down a Predator himself), but I wouldn't call any of that an "honor system" so much as it is just some personality traits for individuals in the species.
The first film especially operates on the premise of "what if this action movie suddenly turns into a slasher film halfway through?" so I think there is some merit to the serial killer/slasher comparison in regards to the Predators, with each individual Predator having a unique personality of its own to some degree.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 24, 2020, 03:04:38 AM
I always got a bit of a serial killer vibe from the first couple films. The Predators are clearly here to have fun doing their thing - they want to kill some folks, collect a few skulls, and either go back home with their trophies or blow themselves up if they get bested. Some of them definitely have some degree of respect for their prey if it puts up a good fight (hence the first one stripping down to fight Dutch on "even" terms, and the leader in the second film giving Harrigan the pistol after he took down a Predator himself), but I wouldn't call any of that an "honor system" so much as it is just some personality traits for individuals in the species.
The first film especially operates on the premise of "what if this action movie suddenly turns into a slasher film halfway through?" so I think there is some merit to the serial killer/slasher comparison in regards to the Predators, with each individual Predator having a unique personality of its own to some degree.
So is a series not allowed to explore or evolve into something more complex?
Additionally, who is to say that it is just
personality traits?
Jungle Hunter was in no position to give Dutch anything due to being at death's door, so by the time it wanted to give Dutch something, it would have expired from its wounds and leaving its body to be exposed to humanity. Destroy itself now while it has the chance.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 24, 2020, 02:46:28 AM
^ Cool! :)
Thomas Brothers explained Predator 2 is the "bible" for the Predator character. They are a race of sports hunters. They do have a system of honor and code, per them. Like American hunters believe they have honor, when they go to church on Sundays after slaughtering defenseless animals with high powered weapons in camouflage on Saturdays.
Which is perfect, really.
A lot of the EU lore felt like it was just setting up excuses to have humans team up with predators, though.
As far as the "serial killer" vibe.. have that change on an individual basis.
Seeing how different they can be is part of the fun of these movies, anyway.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the team-up myself. :)
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 24, 2020, 03:04:38 AM
I always got a bit of a serial killer vibe from the first couple films. The Predators are clearly here to have fun doing their thing - they want to kill some folks, collect a few skulls, and either go back home with their trophies or blow themselves up if they get bested. Some of them definitely have some degree of respect for their prey if it puts up a good fight (hence the first one stripping down to fight Dutch on "even" terms, and the leader in the second film giving Harrigan the pistol after he took down a Predator himself), but I wouldn't call any of that an "honor system" so much as it is just some personality traits for individuals in the species.
I'll let Stephen Hopkins answer this...
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QuoteThe first film especially operates on the premise of "what if this action movie suddenly turns into a slasher film halfway through?" so I think there is some merit to the serial killer/slasher comparison in regards to the Predators, with each individual Predator having a unique personality of its own to some degree.
And I'll drop the Thomas Bros comments here...
(https://i.ibb.co/DWWTTky/Screenshot-20201123-221203-Gallery.png)
"..they are pure"
MURDER. ;D
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 24, 2020, 03:09:23 AM
So is a series not allowed to explore or evolve into something more complex?
Of course it is allowed to do that. I'm just speaking from my personal experience and offering my own opinions. I've personally found most subsequent expansions of the Predator lore/mythology to lessen the impact of the original films to some degree (and concepts like the "Yautja" or the whole, well... whatever it was going on in
The Predator) to tarnish my interpretation of the species as a whole. So me, personally, I would like to see a more "back to basics" approach to the Predator in the new one, with the new Predator having a personality of its own, its own killing style, etc. The Predators in
Predator and
Predator 2 felt like two different individuals that hunted differently and went about things in their own way, and I liked that a lot.
Like I've said earlier in the thread - I have no vested interest in Predator as a franchise; I really like some of the movies, but that's the extent of it for me. I'm just really hopeful here for a cool sci-fi/horror/western hybrid, based on the "Skulls" premise that was announced. And if I wind up not liking the movie, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 24, 2020, 03:15:08 AM
As far as the "serial killer" vibe.. have that change on an individual basis.
Seeing how different they can be is part of the fun of these movies, anyway.
Yep. As long as it doesn't all feel like one homogenous culture where they're all operating on the same "code," I'm down for just about anything.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 24, 2020, 03:19:50 AM
Of course it is allowed to do that. I'm just speaking from my personal experience and offering my own opinions. I've personally found most subsequent expansions of the Predator lore/mythology to lessen the impact of the original films to some degree (and concepts like the "Yautja" or the whole, well... whatever it was going on in The Predator) to tarnish my interpretation of the species as a whole. So me, personally, I would like to see a more "back to basics" approach to the Predator in the new one, with the new Predator having a personality of its own, its own killing style, etc. The Predators in Predator and Predator 2 felt like two different individuals that hunted differently and went about things in their own way, and I liked that a lot.
Like I've said earlier in the thread - I have no vested interest in Predator as a franchise; I really like some of the movies, but that's the extent of it for me. I'm just really hopeful here for a cool sci-fi/horror/western hybrid, based on the "Skulls" premise that was announced. And if I wind up not liking the movie, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
I'll admit, I do find you opinion a bit difficult to understand, only because recent lore simply adds a more cultural and ideological look on why they hunt. It still doesn't lessen the fact that these are creatures of highly advanced skill and technology with a bloodlust to go toe to toe with the most dangerous beings in the galaxy for sport. Its like Vikings and Spartans, they are extremely badass warriors but their culture doesn't make them any less interesting, rather if anything it enhances their interesting allure. I always love learning about the Norse Pantheon and Spartan Way of life cuz its just a different way of living. I guess for me, its the reasons why I like Mass Effect and starting to look into Star Trek, how much culture and lore of various alien species is always captivating for me. I mean, you mentioned that you think they already have this serial killer vib, but the interesting part is that in their mind, its very normal way of life for them. Its not man vs man, in story telling terms, rather human vs alien culture/morals. Its fascinating!
The Predator....I agree with ya on that, it was just trash.
And as for Predator Skulls, I agree with ya on that sentiment. I don't mind and rather welcome a back to basics approach of a group of warriors fighting an invisible killer that hunts the most dangerous beings in existence for sport. Hybridization, bigger Predators, modern day military, and all of that jazz had overstayed too much in the Predator story telling. Its about time we get a story in the past with people facing Preds with lower tech than us. Not to mention that as you said a sc-fi horror/western is rare in movies these days that this is also a great step to take in filling a rare niche. I wanna see the work too.
Speaking of which, I remember that Vikings used to have settlements in North America long before colonialism empires came about. Would be cool to see Comanche/Viking warriors vs Predator. Make the fight a bit more fair seeing that it has a plasmacaster and a smart disk. Wonder what kind of weapons will be brought to the table for the film?
Looking at the wider Predator existence's missing the point in my opinion, Predator at its best walks a fine line in understanding what it's doing enough to nearly grasp the fundamentals but not entirely, I think of the last thing King Willie says before he's decapitated or Anna's iconic monologue, memorable and mythical because of the actions taken, their appearance, and violence. Then only leaving stories in their empty wake, the kind of thing that might be waiting for you down that old alley, wherever in the world.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 23, 2020, 03:50:19 PM
I don't think it makes any more or less sense than male or female dominated professions, or just straight up work locations. I can walk into certain locations at work and find nothing but one gender or the other. I can walk into others and find mostly woman with 1 or 2 blokes. And the same reversed. It's a none issue for me.
I guess it's hard for me to imagine that scenario in the Alien Universe, unless it's a small scale isolated movie, which is totally fine. I suppose you could argue it's the reverse Alien 3.
Personally I still think Aliens best shot is on TV.
This sounds really interesting. I have always wanted to see a Predator movie set in the past.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 24, 2020, 03:09:23 AM
So is a series not allowed to explore or evolve into something more complex?
Additionally, who is to say that it is just personality traits?
I've said it many times before in other threads, but I always see the 'noble hunter' thing as more of a niche group within whatever the Predator civilization is. I've always been critical of it being the single defining feature of their entire existence, along with every single thing they make having the same visual aesthetic. It's a bit like an African animal thinking that every single human on Earth is a big game hunter because that's all they've seen of them.
I've said it many times before in other threads ;) Predator works best when it`s genere film with Predator in it. Predator = 80`s action flick, with Predator in it. Predator 2 = 90`s buddy detective flick, with Predator in it. That`s what IMO makes first two films such successful. I`m no expert with Commanchie Indians and not sure what kind of movie this is supposed to be but I really do hope it`s something like The Last of the Mochicans or Dancing With Wolfes, with Predator in it.
Just look at this fan film. Sure it`s abit over the top, but that`s , in essence, Kurosawa style Samurai film with Predator in it.
https://fb.watch/1Z00v0voDu/
This could be really good. I hope the Native Americans don't speak english in the movie and there would be subtitles.
Quote from: Galactus123 on Nov 24, 2020, 05:59:04 PM
This could really good. I hope the Native Americans don't speak english in the movie and there would be subtitles.
As much as I would absolutely love that, I doubt the studio or the general audience would go for it, unfortunately. :-\
Quote from: Galactus123 on Nov 24, 2020, 05:59:04 PM
This could be really good. I hope the Native Americans don't speak english in the movie and there would be subtitles.
That would be great but I can't see the studio doing it.
Predator and Predator 2 are the base. Drink from that fountain and forget about hybridism, super predators, giant predators, predator dogs and all that junk that came after. We just want another good Predator movie. Is it too much to ask?
I just hope that this time around they stick closer to the source material of the comics and give the Predator's 4 arms instead of the average 2.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 24, 2020, 06:18:16 PM
Quote from: Galactus123 on Nov 24, 2020, 05:59:04 PM
This could really good. I hope the Native Americans don't speak english in the movie and there would be subtitles.
As much as I would absolutely love that, I doubt the studio or the general audience would go for it, unfortunately. :-\
Idk about that, Apocalypto did pretty good. Plus, inject some native culture to the general audience anyway, people aren't that shallow to not take interest in something new. Especially native american culture, which is rare to see that in today's media.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 24, 2020, 10:10:26 AM
Looking at the wider Predator existence's missing the point in my opinion, Predator at its best walks a fine line in understanding what it's doing enough to nearly grasp the fundamentals but not entirely, I think of the last thing King Willie says before he's decapitated or Anna's iconic monologue, memorable and mythical because of the actions taken, their appearance, and violence.
I suppose its finding the right balance in storytelling I suppose. I do love the appeal that we know about them through the stories and myths that they leave behind. At the same time, I am never against exploring more indepth look of Predator culture in other media like the S.D Perry novels. Or even showing new cultural traits like Predator 2 did. I just don't see the loss of appeal, its still an incredible, dangerous, and near mythical being.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Nov 24, 2020, 10:10:26 AMThen only leaving stories in their empty wake, the kind of thing that might be waiting for you down that old alley, wherever in the world.
One of the appeal is though that Predator isn't Freddy or Jason to the normal person. Its like Predator is to human military/warrior as Jason is to horny teenagers. Not even highly armed and skilled professional solders are safe from the horror genre when Predator comes into play. They would fall to Predator where they might triumph over Jason or Michael Myers.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 24, 2020, 02:37:32 AM
When did everyone go anti lore all of a sudden?
Guess they are just The Predator fans....
Hey, no need for that kind of insult.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 24, 2020, 02:49:48 AM
I mean, what is the point of having a unique alien race if they are just wearing the "kill everything" hat. Why should a highly intelligent and cognitive race should not have some degree of interesting culture and lore that differentiate itself from other aliens and creatures in media?
Because while overt themes are fine, sometimes mystery and questions and myth are better than detailed lore. Especially when it's Steve Perry who gets the ball rolling on the expansion.
QuoteAgain, the kill everything mentality works on Aliens but we are talking about Predators here. You can't fit that mindset on those beings. They aren't a hivemind like the xenos are.
Literally nobody is saying that. It's not zero sum.
QuoteAlien fans should just leave Predator lore be.
Only if you guys can keep Predator out of future Alien stuff. Then we have a deal.
Spoiler
Don't take me seriously here. I'm pointing out how fruitless the division you're making is.
Quote from: Galactus123 on Nov 24, 2020, 05:59:04 PM
This could be really good. I hope the Native Americans don't speak english in the movie and there would be subtitles.
Most people don't want to read subtitles for the entirety of a movie. I think having a few scenes with subtitles would be better.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Nov 24, 2020, 02:49:48 AM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 24, 2020, 02:43:47 AM
I'm a fan of the movies (mainly the first two, especially the second, and to some degree Predators) but I am not so much a fan of the "lore" and franchise surrounding them. Especially stuff like The Predator and the AVPs, what with all of these factions and ranks and whatnot.
Sci-fi horror in general is something that I absolutely love, though. And I love westerns as well, so if this new one can play into those elements and synthesize them into something that really delivers, then hardcore Predator fan or not, that sounds like a film that I can very much get into.
I mean, what is the point of having a unique alien race if they are just wearing the "kill everything" hat. Why should a highly intelligent and cognitive race should not have some degree of interesting culture and lore that differentiate itself from other aliens and creatures in media?
Again, the kill everything mentality works on Aliens but we are talking about Predators here. You can't fit that mindset on those beings. They aren't a hivemind like the xenos are.
Alien fans should just leave Predator lore be.
Hmm, given your response here, I think I may have explained my intent poorly. Let me rephrase.
What I like to see from Predator isn't a "kill everything" mentality, nor do I want to diminish the creatures' intelligence. They are clearly sentient creatures and should absolutely be treated as such.
The point I was trying to make in my earlier posts is more that I don't really care for the idea that the Predators (or "Yautja" if you will :-X ) have one universal code of honor among their entire race. I just don't see any evidence of that in those first two films, and I feel that that kind of generalization of their entire species lessens them immensely. I do love that they are this race/gang/whatever of intergalactic assholes that go around from world to world killing things for sport, but I don't see anything "honorable" there. I prefer the idea that each individual in the species handles their hunts the way that they individually choose to (or the way that their particular "clan" chooses to), rather there being some code of honor that they all follow to a T.
But like you said, I'm an Alien fan first and foremost, and maybe my read on the Predator films isn't quite up to snuff. I am, by definition, very much a "casual" fan of the Predator films, and that just happens to be my read on the first couple movies and reflects what I personally would like to see explored in the next one.
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 24, 2020, 09:10:53 PM
Quote from: Galactus123 on Nov 24, 2020, 05:59:04 PM
This could be really good. I hope the Native Americans don't speak english in the movie and there would be subtitles.
Most burgers don't want to read subtitles for the entirety of a movie. I think having a few scenes with subtitles would be better.
:^)
Seriously though, I don't think this is the right sort of movie to go with subtitles.
I'd be fine with subtitles.
(it didn't harm Apocalypto at the box office).
Oh boy, another predator movie that further ruins the franchise!
Why doesn't Disney Fox hire a established director and writer for the next installment. We have been down this road too many times hiring no name directors (Strauss brothers) Nimród Antal emend though I enjoy Predators, Paul Anderson made a decent Avp but his movies are mostly game inspired films
Apocalypto was a great movie. But this is going to be a Predator film and I have to agree with [cancerblack]. I don't think subtitles for a movie like this would be a good idea.
Like Apocalypto, I think this film fully subtitled but heavy on the cinematography, short on the dialogue, show not tell, could be something spectacular! The thought gives me chills!
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Nov 24, 2020, 09:12:54 PM
I do love that they are this race/gang/whatever of intergalactic assholes that go around from world to world killing things for sport, but I don't see anything "honorable" there.
I'd suspect there's a lot of acts of "honor" and "dishonor" in many cultures in this world that one may find unappetizing, so it's important to take oneself out of the equation. Meaning: Having an honor code, and having an honor code you personally agree with is not synonymous. :)
"it's the Klingon way!" - Gowron
"I know, but it is not my way." - Worf
As a child (7 years old) I saw the Klingons as humanized Predators. Back then I had no idea of any of these universes. Still don't have idea, but at least now I know they are two separate species from two different universes / IPs :laugh:
Maybe they were planning to market it as an original film, and reveal the Predator connection only once it's released, when people watch it.
Trachtenberg is a solid choice, hopefully it's a pleasant surprise like 10 Cloverfield Lane was. (And not a turd like The Cloverfield Paradox.)
Quote from: the guy on Nov 24, 2020, 07:19:39 PM
Predator and Predator 2 are the base. Drink from that fountain and forget about hybridism, super predators, giant predators, predator dogs and all that junk that came after. We just want another good Predator movie. Is it too much to ask?
+1
Quote from: Ahsoka on Nov 25, 2020, 12:54:11 AM
Maybe they were planning to market it as an original film, and reveal the Predator connection only once it's released, when people watch it.
Whatever way you spin the reveal , it would have been pointless. A reveal like that only works if your audience is hanging for a Predator movie, which lets face it, they aren't.
Don't think we need to turn Predator into some Art house movie either. Predators was completely fine and if it weren't for the dodgy mid section and slight wastage of characters it would still be one of the best Predator movies.
Quote from: Highland on Nov 25, 2020, 01:08:46 AM
Quote from: Ahsoka on Nov 25, 2020, 12:54:11 AM
Maybe they were planning to market it as an original film, and reveal the Predator connection only once it's released, when people watch it.
Whatever way you spin the reveal , it would have been pointless. A reveal like that only works if your audience is hanging for a Predator movie, which lets face it, they aren't.
Don't think we need to turn Predator into some Art house movie either. Predators was completely fine and if it weren't for the dodgy mid section and slight wastage of characters it would still be one of the best Predator movies.
I think it will be a Hitchcockesque movie, with a twist that will include real monsters, just not our beloved Predators. Regarding the so-called connection, I think it will be something like...
(https://i.ibb.co/b1r9sHn/zfarpr464sh21.jpg)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 25, 2020, 01:11:56 AM
Quote from: Highland on Nov 25, 2020, 01:08:46 AM
Quote from: Ahsoka on Nov 25, 2020, 12:54:11 AM
Maybe they were planning to market it as an original film, and reveal the Predator connection only once it's released, when people watch it.
Whatever way you spin the reveal , it would have been pointless. A reveal like that only works if your audience is hanging for a Predator movie, which lets face it, they aren't.
Don't think we need to turn Predator into some Art house movie either. Predators was completely fine and if it weren't for the dodgy mid section and slight wastage of characters it would still be one of the best Predator movies.
I think it will be a Hitchcockesque movie, with a twist that will include real monsters, just not our beloved Predators. Regarding the so-called connection, I think it will be something like...
(https://i.ibb.co/b1r9sHn/zfarpr464sh21.jpg)
I'd be game. Budget would be a concern. The plot leak sounds like it'll be more of a straight forward affair though.
A Predator movie with the guy who owned the flintlock would be cool.
So...who would you all like to see star in this?
Not many name actors can pass as Comanche but there are some. There's also the possibility of casting actors to play United States settlers and members of the Spanish Army. So who do you want to see in this film?
Quote from: Hollywood on Nov 25, 2020, 03:19:54 AM
So...who would you all like to see star in this?
Not many name actors can pass as Comanche but there are some. There's also the possibility of casting actors to play United States settlers and members of the Spanish Army. So who do you want to see in this film?
Adam Beach comes to mind.
Kinda don't want to see any wypipo in this.
Would be cool to have a story focused 100% on a first nations cast.
(but hey, if the Predator also wants to hunt some cowboys.. i won't complain..)
The stranger had a Big Plasmacaster at his shoulder..
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 25, 2020, 03:35:01 AM
(but hey, if the Predator also wants to hunt some cowboys.. i won't complain..)
The stranger had a Big Plasmacaster at his shoulder..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzICMIu5zFY
(https://i.ibb.co/10DZPg2/tumblr-nuzb5a7-Otd1rmz36wo3-r1-250.webp)
Quote from: Hollywood on Nov 25, 2020, 03:19:54 AM
So...who would you all like to see star in this?
Not many name actors can pass as Comanche but there are some. There's also the possibility of casting actors to play United States settlers and members of the Spanish Army. So who do you want to see in this film?
I'm sure they will look at actors from Westworld and The Revenant.
@Predator is talking here
Because established directors/writers are not hired guns, they work on movies they want to and that's rarely sequel X in a franchise. Even if you drop insane amounts of money to hire them, they will half ass their way through it just to fullfill the contract.
John McTiernan and Jim/John Thomas as writer were nobodys at the time they made Predator. Shane Black was an established director and even more so as writer (he even had ties to the first Predator) and yet his Predator movie sucked hard.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Nov 25, 2020, 03:46:55 AM
https://i.ibb.co/10DZPg2/tumblr-nuzb5a7-Otd1rmz36wo3-r1-250.webp
David VS Predator 8)
Hell yeah
(https://i.redd.it/u2cfrb9siqk01.jpg)
That's one creepy motherf**ker
David faces the biggest threat to his Dickhead creation: The Pussyface.
David looks more intimidating than the Predator >:(
Not really
Quote from: Samhain13 on Nov 25, 2020, 09:18:17 PM
David faces the biggest threat to his Dickhead creation: The Pussyface.
Predator: Because of your stupid protomorph or whatever, I can no longer hunt Aliens! >:(
Now you gon 'die ugly motherf**ker 😈
David: I'll do the fingering :-*
*Predator makes a confused face and starts self-destruct sequence*
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 25, 2020, 09:13:57 PM
(https://i.redd.it/u2cfrb9siqk01.jpg)
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/001/056/841/eb9.gif)
Precolonial = before cowboy
Lol classic line "pussy face"
Calling it now, the Predator from this movie will turn out to be the Jungle Hunter from the original. The location is the same and Anna talks about this happening often enough that there's a legend about it. That's our guy.
I mean, this one is set in America so... I'm going to assume probably not on that one.
There is no chance of having Vikings?
Quote from: overthere on Nov 27, 2020, 12:13:00 AM
Calling it now, the Predator from this movie will turn out to be the Jungle Hunter from the original. The location is the same and Anna talks about this happening often enough that there's a legend about it. That's our guy.
Huh, then the predator would win in the end ? Dark ending? I dig that.
Disney=feminist agenda. Female protagonist wins.
Wouldn't have anything to do with the protagonist always winning in a Predator movie, noooo.
Quote from: overthere on Nov 27, 2020, 12:13:00 AM
Calling it now, the Predator from this movie will turn out to be the Jungle Hunter from the original. The location is the same and Anna talks about this happening often enough that there's a legend about it. That's our guy.
Is it the same location though? Predator was set in Central or South America (Guatemala in fact if you take Isabella's statement in Predators as canon).
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Nov 27, 2020, 03:11:38 AM
Literally every Predator movie: Disney=feminist agenda. Female protagonist wins.
Fixed that for ya! :)
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Nov 27, 2020, 03:11:38 AM
Disney=feminist agenda. Female protagonist wins.
I foresee a lot more of these posts.
Don't take what I said the wrong way. I'm all for the female protagonist to win. I'm just saying it's Disney, expect a happy ending.
Quote from: Prez on Nov 27, 2020, 03:35:40 AM
Is it the same location though? Predator was set in Central or South America (Guatemala in fact if you take Isabella's statement in Predators as canon).
Where is this one set? Sounded to me like it's in the ballpark
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Nov 27, 2020, 04:41:58 AM
Don't take what I said the wrong way. I'm all for the female protagonist to win. I'm just saying it's Disney, expect a happy ending.
It could be a win-win situation. Predator is impressed with the lead character and leaves respectfully or something. Like she trips and breaks her leg and Predator thinks its cheap to kill her then and says "I'll be back!" and winks with a smile.
Cos Predator movies are known for their downer endings ... ? ???
That's another comment that had me raising my eyebrows. As pointed out, none of the protagonists have ever been killed. It just comes across as anti-Disney for the sake of anti-Disney. Of the reasons to be annoyed at them, this isn't one of them, and feels like fabricated anger. :-\
Any idea when we'll hear casting and production news?
Quote from: SiL on Nov 27, 2020, 07:44:37 AM
Cos Predator movies are known for their downer endings ... ? ???
Well, you have to start somewhere. And Predators kinda had bitter-sweet ending
Quote from: Kradan on Nov 27, 2020, 11:30:23 AM
Quote from: SiL on Nov 27, 2020, 07:44:37 AM
Cos Predator movies are known for their downer endings ... ? ???
Well, you have to start somewhere. And Predators kinda had bitter-sweet ending
This film having a positive ending with the protagonist surviving would not be an indication of Disney's SJW happy ending agenda though.
"Well it
could have had a darker ending, but obviously Disney is the reason it didn't"
Quote from: SiL on Nov 27, 2020, 07:44:37 AM
Cos Predator movies are known for their downer endings ... ? ???
I didn't bring up the prospect of a downer ending. Samhein13 did, I was responding to him.
A movie with the Predator winning would surprise a lot of people.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Nov 27, 2020, 04:41:58 AM
Don't take what I said the wrong way. I'm all for the female protagonist to win. I'm just saying it's Disney, expect a happy ending.
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story wants to have a word with you ;)
That would be an interesting call. Killing our hero would definitely be a first for the films.
Though a quick google search says they make practically everything out of the stuff they hunted. So how f**king brutal would it be if we ended the film on a shot of the Predator having made gear or armor out of the hero's corpse? I feel like that would be the stuff of legends if Disney ended the first Predator film under their umbrella by having converted it's hero into the villain's handbag. Like I don't think they'd do it, but we never did find out what they did with the skin after they flayed somebody.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Nov 28, 2020, 12:09:58 AMbut we never did find out what they did with the skin after they flayed somebody.
That thought never even crossed my mind until now.
I always assumed that's what their leather bits were.
I dig the concept of American Indians vs a Predator. Should make for some cool Western scenery shots as well.
How about a plot where the Cowboys are fighting the Natives, but are forced to come together to fight the Predator?
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 28, 2020, 05:14:19 AM
How about a plot where the Cowboys are fighting the Natives, but are forced to come together to fight the Predator?
Way less interesting than a fully indigenous tale, frankly.
How come? And everyone loves Cowboy stuff. I think mixing the two together would make for a kick ass experience.
Give me something like Apocalypto meets Predator, and I think you'd have an epic Predator film.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 28, 2020, 05:21:30 AM
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 28, 2020, 05:14:19 AM
How about a plot where the Cowboys are fighting the Natives, but are forced to come together to fight the Predator?
Way less interesting than a fully indigenous tale, frankly.
I fully agree. That seems like the 'easy', boring way out.
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 28, 2020, 05:46:38 AM
How come? And everyone loves Cowboy stuff. I think mixing the two together would make for a kick ass experience.
It's been done. And it's only got enough substance for something like a one-shot comic or a flashback, frankly.
Something that shows a radically different culture and technology level to previous films, dealing with a Predator is
so much more interesting than "bitter enemies team up to defeat a more powerful foe. Again. Like a million other movies."
Quote from: Stitch on Nov 28, 2020, 07:24:30 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Nov 28, 2020, 05:21:30 AM
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 28, 2020, 05:14:19 AM
How about a plot where the Cowboys are fighting the Natives, but are forced to come together to fight the Predator?
Way less interesting than a fully indigenous tale, frankly.
I fully agree. That seems like the 'easy', boring way out.
Agreed. It's the same with all the suggestions of setting a Predator film somewhere in the Middle East, against some soldiers and terrorists. It's a very easy and generic template and formula of adversaries teaming up against a common enemy.
Quote from: Hollywood on Nov 25, 2020, 03:19:54 AM
So...who would you all like to see star in this?
Not many name actors can pass as Comanche but there are some. There's also the possibility of casting actors to play United States settlers and members of the Spanish Army. So who do you want to see in this film?
Raul Trujillo and Wes Studi would be great, really good actors. Also very known faces for the public.
I've thought for a good long while now that a historical setting for a Predator movie would be both awesome to see, and a wise choice from a franchise perspective! The predator seen and experienced through the eyes of historical peoples who have no frame of reference for aliens/UFOs will make it feel fresh and different without taking the tired old "bigger, better, badder" route. I both hope and assume there will be actual native consultants to ensure the portrayal is accurate and inoffensive (Hollywood doesn't have the greatest track record in this department!) and so, if all goes well, we could be in for a great and interesting movie.
I love the new setting and i quite liked 10 Cloverfield Lane, although one movie is not enough for me to fully evaluate Trachtenberg's skillset. A female lead doesn't bother me at all as long as she is well written and portrayed, like any character in any movie.
For the predator itself, i hope they go for a "different" look (not too different though), a more tribal look, like we can feel it was a few hundreds years ago.
This has probably been in the works for so long because Trachtenberg was working on other stuff that didn't come together. He was supposed to direct the current iteration of the Uncharted movie but had to leave, for instance.
This is how the Predator should look.
(https://www.therpf.com/forums/media/cowboy-predator.59068/full?d=1550510734)
https://twitter.com/rafagrassetti/status/1329928299934412801
God Of War art director celebrating announcement of Predator 5
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 28, 2020, 08:28:10 PM
This is how the Predator should look.
https://www.therpf.com/forums/media/cowboy-predator.59068/full?d=1550510734
That hat :D
:laugh:
By the way, do you guys prefer the predator to still have high tech weaponry against the native americans, or a more bladed and simple themed arsenal considering they could be a bit less advanced than what we saw until now ?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 28, 2020, 09:38:09 PM
:laugh:
By the way, do you guys prefer the predator to still have high tech weaponry against the native americans, or a more bladed and simple themed arsenal considering they could be a bit less advanced than what we saw until now ?
Fine with either, although ever since
Captive I've wanted to see a Pred basically just show up with little other than tools and maybe a few spare blades, and craft bows/spears/traps from the environment while on the hunt.
Considering how high-tech they are in the 20th century and can still get to Earth in the Western/expansionist period, I see the Predator packing more than just a few sharp blades.
More cool Predator weaponry - the better in my book
The Predator brought back Shuriken. This one should bring back Whip
I want to see the disc again.
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 28, 2020, 09:47:02 PM
Considering how high-tech they are in the 20th century and can still get to Earth in the Western/expansionist period, I see the Predator packing more than just a few sharp blades.
Maybe I've just gotten lost over the course of the thread, but I'm fairly certain this film is supposed to be set before that period.
I thought we were just speculating because the article doesn't say what period. Someone brought up Indians and it flowed from there. From what i've read online, the idea that it'll be based off Skulls with a Comanche woman is just a theory.
I'm also a fan of the predator high tech and diverse weaponry, and indeed they obviously can space travel since long ago, so we could have advanced stuff. Hope we get new cool additions (also loved the whip by the way !).
The whip from AVPR? That thing was cool.
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 28, 2020, 11:45:34 PM
The whip from AVPR? That thing was cool.
The best thing from this damn movie :laugh:
Quote from: Phobos on Nov 28, 2020, 10:17:38 PMm what i've read online, the idea that it'll be based off Skulls with a Comanche woman is just a theory.
No, we have our own separate sources who told us a new Predator film was in the works that was based around Natice Americans before we knew of the potential Skulls connection.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 28, 2020, 09:38:09 PM
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By the way, do you guys prefer the predator to still have high tech weaponry against the native americans, or a more bladed and simple themed arsenal considering they could be a bit less advanced than what we saw until now ?
The movie won't work if the Predator uses Tech. Not with that plot. The movie will absolutely work if it's hunter vs hunter. I feel like the whole thing hinges on that plot point alone.
It should have hi-tech weapons. It's intergalactic alien hunter. If he came here with spaceship he should have all of his uber weaponry.
Quote from: Highland on Nov 29, 2020, 11:42:02 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 28, 2020, 09:38:09 PM
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By the way, do you guys prefer the predator to still have high tech weaponry against the native americans, or a more bladed and simple themed arsenal considering they could be a bit less advanced than what we saw until now ?
The movie won't work if the Predator uses Tech. Not with that plot. The movie will absolutely work if it's hunter vs hunter. I feel like the whole thing hinges on that plot point alone.
Not necessarily. The plasma caster I'd argue is essential to the Predator. Keeping all it's Hi-Tech energy weapons keeps the threat and raises the stakes, especially against Natives if that's the route they're going. And that allows your characters to be creative as they have to find a way to outsmart the Predator. But just because the Predator has all that weaponry, he's not just going to use it all the time. Roger Ebert said it best in terms of logic to the Predator's characterization.
Quote"(1) Why would an alien species go to all the effort to send a creature to Earth, just so that it could swing from trees and skin American soldiers? Or, (2) Why would a creature so technologically advanced need to bother with hand-to-hand combat, when it could just zap Arnold with a ray gun?"
If you watch the first Predator movie, you get the impression that the Predator could have killed Dutch or any one of his teammate at a given time, or even all at once if it could. So in a movie with Indians, the Predator will obviously toy with his preys, using a variety of weaponry, from energy ones to bladed ones.
If it's not called 'The Predators' it'll break canon... ::)
I think Dutch and a team of elite soldiers and an Indian hunter are a fair league apart. If the Predator starts taking out hoards of Indians with a plasma caster the movie is going to just feel weird.
Even a human going back in time with regular gun to "hunt" Indians sounds like a terrible premise for a movie.
There has to be a reason the movies set back in time other than - "Alien hunter destroys Indians"
Dutch took on a predator with a bow, some mud, and a couple spears.
I would have no issue with native americans in a predator film.
One of the main points of the first movie was that a man has to go back to his wild nature to survive, hence Arnold losing his modern weapons and fighting with crafted elements and booby traps. I wonder what will be the main focus/symbolic meaning of this next movie.
Yeah, the whole point of Predator is that the military-grade weapons and all of the testosterone-fueled machismo in the world didn't matter; it was a game of wits in the end. The Predator in this could be armed to the teeth with a plasma cannon and everything and still lose here and I would buy that. The main character is going to have to go through some real shit to get there, but so did Arnold, and the lead pulling off a win by using her environmental resources to her advantage is fully believable to me based on what we've seen before in this series.
Arnie gets smacked around for that whole final fight.
He wins by outsmarting the Predator (and with a lot of luck).
That's the whole point.
Wits and skills win the day vs sheer power.
Difference in strength between a man and a woman means nothing to a Predator because both are equally frail compared to him. So I don't see a female lead problematic, if she is like Ripley or even the lead from first AvP.
I just hope they dont try to preach some modern woke thing. Just let me see Predator be cool.
Quote from: overthere on Nov 29, 2020, 02:36:59 PM
Difference in strength between a man and a woman means nothing to a Predator because both are equally frail compared to him. So I don't see a female lead problematic, if she is like Ripley or even the lead from first AvP.
I just hope they dont try to preach some modern woke thing. Just let me see Predator be cool.
Totally agree with you, female is not a problem at all as long as she is well written and portrayed, as for any characters in any movie. The modern stuff shoved in a movie where it apparently don't belong could totally happen knowing how hollywood works nowadays, I just hope it gets treated with at least a bit of subtlety.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Nov 29, 2020, 12:58:11 PM
Dutch took on a predator with a bow, some mud, and a couple spears.
I would have no issue with native americans in a predator film.
Agreed. It's all about sport with Predators. There's human hunters to this day that disregard technology and hunt with bows, knives, even spears where legal to demonstrate their prowess.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 29, 2020, 03:13:58 PM
Quote from: overthere on Nov 29, 2020, 02:36:59 PM
Difference in strength between a man and a woman means nothing to a Predator because both are equally frail compared to him. So I don't see a female lead problematic, if she is like Ripley or even the lead from first AvP.
I just hope they dont try to preach some modern woke thing. Just let me see Predator be cool.
Totally agree with you, female is not a problem at all as long as she is well written and portrayed, as for any characters in any movie. The modern stuff shoved in a movie where it apparently don't belong could totally happen knowing how hollywood works nowadays, I just hope it gets treated with at least a bit of subtlety.
Yeah, subtlety is the key. Looking at you feminist robot from Solo.
Quote from: Master on Nov 29, 2020, 04:01:23 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 29, 2020, 03:13:58 PM
Quote from: overthere on Nov 29, 2020, 02:36:59 PM
Difference in strength between a man and a woman means nothing to a Predator because both are equally frail compared to him. So I don't see a female lead problematic, if she is like Ripley or even the lead from first AvP.
I just hope they dont try to preach some modern woke thing. Just let me see Predator be cool.
Totally agree with you, female is not a problem at all as long as she is well written and portrayed, as for any characters in any movie. The modern stuff shoved in a movie where it apparently don't belong could totally happen knowing how hollywood works nowadays, I just hope it gets treated with at least a bit of subtlety.
Yeah, subtlety is the key. Looking at you feminist robot from Solo.
:laugh:
One of many examples indeed.
You guys are looking at the movie from the end backwards. The reason the predator comes to earth is to hunt deadly foe. Dutch had to outsmart the Predator ( a little luck a little smarts).
Im completely fine with a predator hunting an Indian hunter one on one using the land. A predator coming down with Plasma casters and smart discs to defeat Indians isnt going to work.
There has to be a sport element to it. That's the whole point of the Predators coming.
Expecting the predator to use spears and throwing discs and the like.
Quote from: Highland on Nov 30, 2020, 10:08:55 AM
You guys are looking at the movie from the end backwards. The reason the predator comes to earth is to hunt deadly foe. Dutch had to outsmart the Predator ( a little luck a little smarts).
Im completely fine with a predator hunting an Indian hunter one on one using the land. A predator coming down with Plasma casters and smart discs to defeat Indians isnt going to work.
There has to be a sport element to it. That's the whole point of the Predators coming.
But regarding the weapons, do you think it should be presented as if the predator itself chooses to go light on tech for a better hunt ? Or do you think it don't need emphasis in the movie, the pred just hunt with light tech despite us knowing they have access to higher tech ?
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 30, 2020, 10:39:11 AM
Quote from: Highland on Nov 30, 2020, 10:08:55 AM
You guys are looking at the movie from the end backwards. The reason the predator comes to earth is to hunt deadly foe. Dutch had to outsmart the Predator ( a little luck a little smarts).
Im completely fine with a predator hunting an Indian hunter one on one using the land. A predator coming down with Plasma casters and smart discs to defeat Indians isnt going to work.
There has to be a sport element to it. That's the whole point of the Predators coming.
But regarding the weapons, do you think it should be presented as if the predator itself chooses to go light on tech for a better hunt ? Or do you think it don't need emphasis in the movie, the pred just hunt with light tech despite us knowing they have access to higher tech ?
You have something like a predator holding a Combistick and when he's confronted by a warrior with just a knife, the Predator chucks his Combistick down and engages only with his guantlet knives, something like that would be enough I think for the audience to understand what the Predator is about.
I just love with weapons like the Predator's spear (Combistick) and bow & arrow featured in Hunting Grounds, the technology is still there, old yet new. :)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 30, 2020, 12:52:50 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 30, 2020, 10:39:11 AM
Quote from: Highland on Nov 30, 2020, 10:08:55 AM
You guys are looking at the movie from the end backwards. The reason the predator comes to earth is to hunt deadly foe. Dutch had to outsmart the Predator ( a little luck a little smarts).
Im completely fine with a predator hunting an Indian hunter one on one using the land. A predator coming down with Plasma casters and smart discs to defeat Indians isnt going to work.
There has to be a sport element to it. That's the whole point of the Predators coming.
But regarding the weapons, do you think it should be presented as if the predator itself chooses to go light on tech for a better hunt ? Or do you think it don't need emphasis in the movie, the pred just hunt with light tech despite us knowing they have access to higher tech ?
You have something like a predator holding a Combistick and when he's confronted by a warrior with just a knife, the Predator chucks his Combistick down and engages only with his guantlet knives, something like that would be enough I think for the audience to understand what the Predator is about.
I just love with weapons like the Predator's spear (Combistick) and bow & arrow featured in Hunting Grounds, the technology is still there, old yet new. :)
I totally dig that. I would also love to see some animal hunting, bears and all, could be cool !
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 30, 2020, 10:39:11 AM
Quote from: Highland on Nov 30, 2020, 10:08:55 AM
You guys are looking at the movie from the end backwards. The reason the predator comes to earth is to hunt deadly foe. Dutch had to outsmart the Predator ( a little luck a little smarts).
Im completely fine with a predator hunting an Indian hunter one on one using the land. A predator coming down with Plasma casters and smart discs to defeat Indians isnt going to work.
There has to be a sport element to it. That's the whole point of the Predators coming.
But regarding the weapons, do you think it should be presented as if the predator itself chooses to go light on tech for a better hunt ? Or do you think it don't need emphasis in the movie, the pred just hunt with light tech despite us knowing they have access to higher tech ?
I think either. I honestly thing there's a huge potential to a Predator with just blades and perhaps camo hunting down a human who also has the same weaponry. There's no tension in a move where a Predator can just blow its opponent up at any time.
I mean maybe that's the ritual, maybe no men have ever passed, maybe some men have passed and that's why the Predators come back.....
There's a lot of potential in this story, I just don't think it's - Celtic Predabot pulling out the lazer mini gun against the locals.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Nov 30, 2020, 12:58:00 PM
I totally dig that. I would also love to see some animal hunting, bears and all, could be cool !
Like caught off guard by a Revenant Bear? Yes please!
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DeadlyBasicEuropeanfiresalamander-small.gif)
Oh yeah ! I also expect the bear to lose more fur than versus Leo :laugh:
I won't have much of an issue with tech stuff. The plasmacaster is much more advanced than anything Dutch had.
On top of which the first film's Predator blasted plenty of Dutch's crew while they were in no postilion to fight back.
cof invisibility.
Predators care about the "sport" of hunting in the same way that rich white dentists do when they go on a hunting trip to africa.
It's "fun" for them. Not so much for their prey.
Quote from: skhellter on Nov 30, 2020, 08:58:08 PM
cof invisibility.
Predators care about the "sport" of hunting in the same way that rich white dentists do when they go on a hunting trip to africa.
It's "fun" for them. Not so much for their prey.
They do get into a fair bit of cat and mouse shit against isolated targets, which is where the levelling themselves down a bit to drag it out comes in.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 30, 2020, 08:42:15 PM
On top of which the first film's Predator blasted plenty of Dutch's crew while they were in no postilion to fight back.
The first two kills were quite risky. He was lucky he escaped the minigun. Then he tried to get Dutch in front of everyone. Its not that the one he kills can fight back, but others in the vicinity can react and fight back, that's risky.
Talking about taking risks, City Hunter beats all other preds in this area I think. That fella was crazy :laugh:
Or becoming a Bad Blood! :o
Sounds too small. That's the difference. I think you could Direct a PREDATOR movie with a very small budget. But it's impossible for ALIEN or PROMETHEUS
What sounds small? And true, unlike Alien, Predator can be filmed like a slasher at different locales in every day Earth, but I wouldn't be quick to say it's impossible with Alien, especially after the Tongal shorts. :)
Quote from: Highland on Nov 30, 2020, 03:20:48 PMThere's no tension in a move where a Predator can just blow its opponent up at any time.
But that's ...
Every Predator movie?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Nov 30, 2020, 11:18:42 PM
What sounds small? And true, unlike Alien, Predator can be filmed like a slasher at different locales in every day Earth, but I wouldn't be quick to say it's impossible with Alien, especially after the Tongal shorts. :)
Maybe not impossible. But a lot more difficult. You could film PREDATOR like a small action movie. ALIEN is a lot more expensive
Quote from: SiL on Nov 30, 2020, 11:30:00 PM
Quote from: Highland on Nov 30, 2020, 03:20:48 PMThere's no tension in a move where a Predator can just blow its opponent up at any time.
But that's ... Every Predator movie?
Men don't blow up.
I think you could shoot an Alien film relatively cheaply if you went minimal with the sets and effects outside of the monster suits. Reuse the same 3-4 corridors with different set dressing, etc.
Quote from: SiL on Nov 30, 2020, 11:30:00 PM
Quote from: Highland on Nov 30, 2020, 03:20:48 PMThere's no tension in a move where a Predator can just blow its opponent up at any time.
But that's ... Every Predator movie?
Difference is they were a team of elites and in predator 2 it was gang crime. Then the new movies establish the predators just want to get bigger and badder at hunting.
Without the right story, this movie could be just Jaws with Sonar detectors and torpedoes. Either that or its the Ewoks vs the Empire.
Look I don't mind a bit of tech , I just think the movie sounds a lot better if it's hunter vs hunter.
Quote from: Highland on Dec 01, 2020, 07:14:12 AM
Difference is they were a team of elites and in predator 2 it was gang crime.
And? The Predator has the tech and stealth to kill everyone pretty quickly if he really wanted to even in the original. In the second film it regularly jumps into rooms of people and butchers them all wholesale.
Film Predators have never cared much for even playing fields.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Dec 01, 2020, 01:39:22 AM
I think you could shoot an Alien film relatively cheaply if you went minimal with the sets and effects outside of the monster suits. Reuse the same 3-4 corridors with different set dressing, etc.
They did that in Deep Blue Sea 2. Different areas were marked by different coloured lighting, but the same corridor. It was so obvious.
Quote from: overthere on Nov 30, 2020, 09:25:21 PMThe first two kills were quite risky. He was lucky he escaped the minigun. Then he tried to get Dutch in front of everyone. Its not that the one he kills can fight back, but others in the vicinity can react and fight back, that's risky.
He shot Blain in the back while he wasn't looking. Retrieving the body was risky, but the kill was a pretty cheap shot.
Same with Mac. Guy was crawling around unarmed (I know he had weapons on him, but he was in no position to bring them to bear) and the Predator shot him in the face.
I'm not saying
every kill in the film was cheap, but he definitely didn't care whether all his prey had a fighting chance or not.
Quote from: Stitch on Dec 01, 2020, 08:50:40 AM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Dec 01, 2020, 01:39:22 AM
I think you could shoot an Alien film relatively cheaply if you went minimal with the sets and effects outside of the monster suits. Reuse the same 3-4 corridors with different set dressing, etc.
They did that in Deep Blue Sea 2. Different areas were marked by different coloured lighting, but the same corridor. It was so obvious.
To be fair, Resurrection did it too.
It can be done. But as anything, it's over-all execution.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 01, 2020, 09:02:13 AM
Quote from: overthere on Nov 30, 2020, 09:25:21 PMThe first two kills were quite risky. He was lucky he escaped the minigun. Then he tried to get Dutch in front of everyone. Its not that the one he kills can fight back, but others in the vicinity can react and fight back, that's risky.
He shot Blain in the back while he wasn't looking. Retrieving the body was risky, but the kill was a pretty cheap shot.
Same with Mac. Guy was crawling around unarmed (I know he had weapons on him, but he was in no position to bring them to bear) and the Predator shot him in the face.
I'm not saying every kill in the film was cheap, but he definitely didn't care whether all his prey had a fighting chance or not.
I never got the impression Predators want a fair fight. They want someone who can potentially hurt them, but they dont want to flat out expose themselves. With Dutch it was like "alright motherf**ker, now you'll get it". He tried to blast Dutch away many times without even bothering to see where he's located.
Been thinking about this and worried they will go down the route of trying to connect it to Billy's ancestors.
IIRC, the Predator novel explores Billy's tracking abilities and alludes to the fact that he's actually psychic and can speak to his ancestors, doesn't it?
The setting of the film has massive potential, IMO - but Pred against Sioux won't work from a purely tech perspective. If it can easily wipe out hordes of mercs with high-end, modern tech; then I struggle to see how it's a fair/just/honourable fight. Sure the native Americans were expert trackers and you have the "mystic" element to their backstory too, but Preds can dodge Dutch's teams deforestation attempt and Harrigan's sawn off from point blank range. So I can't see how it'll work well enough to carry the torch.
That's why pitting the Predator against primitive people is a stupid idea.
A Predator can just as easily wipe out modern soldiers. It wasn't Arnold's weapons that beat the Predator. It was his wits, a bow, and some logs. Pretty sure the lead in this movie is going to make out just fine.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 01, 2020, 10:19:57 PM
A Predator can just as easily wipe out modern soldiers. It wasn't Arnold's weapons that beat the Predator. It was his wits, a bow, and some logs. Pretty sure the lead in this movie is going to make out just fine.
I get that and I'm eager to see it unfold; but Dutch used gunpowder from his grenades to fluster JH at the end; which was a huge part of his plan. Native Americans likely won't have firepower unless it's later in history and we essentially get "Cowboys vs Indians vs Predator" in which case, I'd be dead against it.
If the Pred had less tech and this was a sort of R&D mission for them I could sort of see if. EG - they see a group of Native Americans track and kill a group of Soldiers or a bear or something and they're just upskilling by copying then I can see that. But even then it's like "you have interstellar travel and space flight, WTF?"
I dunno. I'm just very worried they'll f**k the franchise again.
Quote from: funk_master_chunk on Dec 01, 2020, 10:41:29 PM
I dunno. I'm just very worried they'll f**k the franchise again.
Oh sure, they will
Quote from: SiL on Dec 01, 2020, 07:42:26 AM
Quote from: Highland on Dec 01, 2020, 07:14:12 AM
Difference is they were a team of elites and in predator 2 it was gang crime.
And? The Predator has the tech and stealth to kill everyone pretty quickly if he really wanted to even in the original. In the second film it regularly jumps into rooms of people and butchers them all wholesale.
Film Predators have never cared much for even playing fields.
It's not about even playing fields. It's about not watching a predator blow up 16 locals with bows an arrows. I don't see the tension in that movie.
Why would you expect that to happen any more than blowing up 16 mercenaries in the original?
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2020, 11:01:03 AM
Why would you expect that to happen any more than blowing up 16 mercenaries in the original?
In the original Dutches team are established as the best of the best, with long range Weapons to boot. It's basically the reason the movie works.
I think this movie will work if it's established the Natives are incredible hunter/trackers up against an incredible hunter tracker.
"No sport"
From what I read up, the Comanche were incredible warriors. They basically took over a good majority of their surrounding areas, were one of the first to go horseback and just decimated others. They were f**king brutal. Worth reading up on.
Quote from: Highland on Dec 02, 2020, 11:09:02 AM
I think this movie will work if it's established the Natives are incredible hunter/trackers up against an incredible hunter tracker.
I don't understand why you'd expect anything less. The original set up that Dutch's team was top tier ... and that the Predator had the tech to blow them to pieces without them ever knowing. Dutch's team's technology was completely useless to them, that was kind of the entire point?
Whether that's top tier with M60s or top tier with bows and horses, it's pretty much the same.
I think people will expect to see Predators to use 'em shoulder cannons whoever they're going up against
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2020, 11:44:36 AMI don't understand why you'd expect anything less. The original set up that Dutch's team was top tier ... and that the Predator had the tech to blow them to pieces without them ever knowing. Dutch's team's technology was completely useless to them, that was kind of the entire point?
Whether that's top tier with M60s or top tier with bows and horses, it's pretty much the same.
Once again, SiL's on point.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2020, 11:44:36 AM
Quote from: Highland on Dec 02, 2020, 11:09:02 AM
I think this movie will work if it's established the Natives are incredible hunter/trackers up against an incredible hunter tracker.
I don't understand why you'd expect anything less. The original set up that Dutch's team was top tier ... and that the Predator had the tech to blow them to pieces without them ever knowing. Dutch's team's technology was completely useless to them, that was kind of the entire point?
Whether that's top tier with M60s or top tier with bows and horses, it's pretty much the same.
I agree, the legendary jungle shooting scene is there to testify that modern weapons won't be enough to kill the predator, so after that it's a matter of wit and will to survive... And a bit of luck.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2020, 11:44:36 AM
Quote from: Highland on Dec 02, 2020, 11:09:02 AM
I think this movie will work if it's established the Natives are incredible hunter/trackers up against an incredible hunter tracker.
I don't understand why you'd expect anything less. The original set up that Dutch's team was top tier ... and that the Predator had the tech to blow them to pieces without them ever knowing. Dutch's team's technology was completely useless to them, that was kind of the entire point?
Whether that's top tier with M60s or top tier with bows and horses, it's pretty much the same.
We don't know that watching the movie at the time, that's the point. This just seems to keep flying over everyones heads when I'm saying a Predator movie NOW ( After seeing " The Predator") isn't going to land well if it's Predator weapons vs bows. We need something for the Predator to bounce off of, Aliens, Soldiers, Gangs for the Predator to feel powerful.
I'm not saying the movie can't be good, I'm saying I personally can't see the attraction of watching Predators blow up Indians, I'm gona need more than that, unless of course the female lead somehow works out how to de-arm the Predator.
I mean I dunno, maybe we are talking about the same thing.
I think, after the Rafael Adolini reveal, a historical Predator movie is and has been the best move. I'm just surprised it took so long to actually make.
I wouldn't mind historical flashbacks, but I'm really not sold on a feature length period piece.
Quote from: Highland on Dec 02, 2020, 12:43:50 PM
We don't know that watching the movie at the time, that's the point.
Yes, we do. We learn very, very quickly that the commandos are hopefully unprepared for what's against them, even with their technology. It's woven into their first encounter. We see them destroy the guerrillas, then we see them do nothing to the Predator but wound its leg with the same firepower.
QuoteWe need something for the Predator to bounce off of, Aliens, Soldiers, Gangs for the Predator to feel powerful.
No, we need a good story. We don't need gimmicky challenges. That's what's got us increasingly disappointing sequels, the notion that we have to bigger and better.
QuoteI'm not saying the movie can't be good, I'm saying I personally can't see the attraction of watching Predators blow up Indians, I'm gona need more than that, unless of course the female lead somehow works out how to de-arm the Predator.
I honestly do not understand where you're possibly getting the notion that the film would be 90 minutes of a Predator just massacring indigenous Americans and then ... what, leaving? ???
Obviously they're going to figure out a way to fight back against the Predator. If they didn't, there's no story.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2020, 01:18:53 PM
Obviously they're going to figure out a way to fight back against the Predator. If they didn't, there's no story.
Man, and I thought this was just a documentary about that time a Predator steamrolled through some indigenous people with his plasma cannon and then just flew back off into space before anyone knew he was here.
You mean to tell me that this is fiction? And that the writers can come up with a way to get a narrative out of this matchup, with stakes and tension and exciting action sequences?
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 02, 2020, 02:03:52 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2020, 01:18:53 PM
Obviously they're going to figure out a way to fight back against the Predator. If they didn't, there's no story.
Man, and I thought this was just a documentary about that time a Predator steamrolled through some indigenous people with his plasma cannon and then just flew back off into space before anyone knew he was here.
You mean to tell me that this is fiction? And that the writers can come up with a way to get a narrative out of this matchup, with stakes and tension and exciting action sequences?
I see it's still very hard around here to discuss things without someone being a condescending twat.
Anyways. Hopefully they do sell a good story.
My apologies, I don't mean to come off that way, genuinely.
I just don't see any real difference between something like this and the original film. In either situation, be they Comanche warriors or Dutch's team, the Predator could kill all of them in a matter of minutes if it chose to just sit in the trees, cloaked, and fire its plasma cannon at them one by one. That's just kind of baked into these movies. Dutch and his guys' weapons were all essentially ineffective, as they couldn't land a shot to save their lives, and the Predators like toying with their prey which inevitably leads to their downfall as the hero character taps into their inner primal nature, rather than their technology, and uses that to come out on top.
To me, this seems like a neat concept to just scrap the superfluous "modern" technology right from the start. And because the human characters here will be starting from a slightly lesser playing field weapons wise, that will likely ramp the tension up more.
I want the Pred to win. We never get the story of the Pred who survives his hunt and heads back to their Homeworld. We just get the story of the ones who come and get killed.
Maybe one day who knows, but the predator still is a movie monster most of the time, so he has to be the bad guy most of the time.
Don't think most studios, especially Disney, would make a movie where the audience gets invested in the protagonist only for him/her to get his/her spine ripped out in the end. I mean, who would that please, other than that one really hardcore predator fan sitting in the crowd?
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Dec 02, 2020, 07:42:49 PM
Don't think most studios, especially Disney, would make a movie where the audience gets invested in the protagonist only for him/her to get his/her spine ripped out in the end. I mean, who would that please, other than that one really hardcore predator fan sitting in the crowd?
Not sure where this thought process is coming from. This won't be a Disney branded project. Not sure what sense you think it would be for them to not make this film appeal to the mature audience it's always been aimed for.
No, Jigsaw is correct.
And "mature audience" doesn't really mean "people who want to see a dour and depressing Predator movie where the Predator rips the spine of the protagonist at the end"
The Predator series is mostly fun action/horror films. They are very pulp at heart.. and pulp stuff needs to have a very "teenage heart" for it to work. Violent as f**k and aimed at adults? Yes. "Mature" in terms of tone? They're not. I wouldn't want them any other way, to be honest. I want cool action, one liners, badass shit, dumb macho posturing, spooky cryptid Predator... etc.
Guys, hear me out.
Predator surviving the movie does not mean the lead character has to die. She might just get pregnant and she's automatically off limits. That very well may be her plan. No plan B for her.
That sounds like there'd be no climax.
If only the sex had been the same ;D
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 02, 2020, 09:12:46 PM
No, Jigsaw is correct.
And "mature audience" doesn't really mean "people who want to see a dour and depressing Predator movie where the Predator rips the spine of the protagonist at the end"
The Predator series is mostly fun action/horror films. They are very pulp at heart.. and pulp stuff needs to have a very "teenage heart" for it to work. Violent as f**k and aimed at adults? Yes. "Mature" in terms of tone? They're not. I wouldn't want them any other way, to be honest. I want cool action, one liners, badass shit, dumb macho posturing, spooky cryptid Predator... etc.
How is every person in the cast except the lead, lone survivor getting murdered in gruesome fashion equate to any of that? And what does that incorrect assessment have to do with Disney?
Because the big bad is vanquished by the hero in the end. That doesn't mean bad stuff doesn't happen earlier. If it didn't, there'd be no triumph in the victory.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2020, 10:54:40 PM
Because the big bad is vanquished by the hero in the end. That doesn't mean bad stuff doesn't happen earlier. If it didn't, there'd be no triumph in the victory.
What does that have to do with Disney moving forward? And that in itself is a product of the time, and the kind of story they were telling.
It is not a retroactive telling of how Disney would handle the project moving forward. It's not even being published by Disney.
After watching Crocodile Dundee 2, i realised i now want a Predator movie in the Australian Outback
Quote from: Sol on Dec 02, 2020, 10:56:52 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2020, 10:54:40 PM
Because the big bad is vanquished by the hero in the end. That doesn't mean bad stuff doesn't happen earlier. If it didn't, there'd be no triumph in the victory.
What does that have to do with Disney moving forward? And that in itself is a product of the time, and the kind of story they were telling.
It is not a retroactive telling of how Disney would handle the project moving forward. It's not even being published by Disney.
Product of its time? The last movie came out two years ago and once again features the protagonists victorious.
Where's the idea coming from that the general "mature" audience wants to see the protagonists fail?
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2020, 11:03:42 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 02, 2020, 10:56:52 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2020, 10:54:40 PM
Because the big bad is vanquished by the hero in the end. That doesn't mean bad stuff doesn't happen earlier. If it didn't, there'd be no triumph in the victory.
What does that have to do with Disney moving forward? And that in itself is a product of the time, and the kind of story they were telling.
It is not a retroactive telling of how Disney would handle the project moving forward. It's not even being published by Disney.
Product of its time? The last movie came out two years ago and once again features the protagonists victorious.
Where's the idea coming from that the general "mature" audience wants to see the protagonists fail?
Well first, find where I said that. Then we can continue this convo. It appears you are arguing with something someone else said.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 02, 2020, 08:52:20 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Dec 02, 2020, 07:42:49 PM
Don't think most studios, especially Disney, would make a movie where the audience gets invested in the protagonist only for him/her to get his/her spine ripped out in the end. I mean, who would that please, other than that one really hardcore predator fan sitting in the crowd?
Not sure where this thought process is coming from. This won't be a Disney branded project. Not sure what sense you think it would be for them to not make this film appeal to the mature audience it's always been aimed for.
You replied to someone saying they wouldn't end it with the protagonist dying horribly by asking why they wouldn't "make this film appeal to the mature audience is always been assigned for."
Reads like you're saying that ending is what would appeal to a mature audience.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2020, 11:16:39 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 02, 2020, 08:52:20 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Dec 02, 2020, 07:42:49 PM
Don't think most studios, especially Disney, would make a movie where the audience gets invested in the protagonist only for him/her to get his/her spine ripped out in the end. I mean, who would that please, other than that one really hardcore predator fan sitting in the crowd?
Not sure where this thought process is coming from. This won't be a Disney branded project. Not sure what sense you think it would be for them to not make this film appeal to the mature audience it's always been aimed for.
You replied to someone saying they wouldn't end it with the protagonist dying horribly by asking why they wouldn't "make this film appeal to the mature audience is always been assigned for."
Reads like you're saying that ending is what would appeal to a mature audience.
So I never said it. What I was stating was Disney is not going to interfere with this production, in some effort to lighten it up. Which unless we are all 12, shouldn't have to be stated.
I simply stated I would like to see something different. Because clearly rehashing the first film isn't doing the franchise any favors.
What you argued was they wouldn't stop that ending from happening to "appeal to the mature audience". The post never said the rest of the movie would be sanitised, just that it was unlikely to have such a bleak end.
But I get your point. Disney won't have its name anywhere near it - but that doesn't mean the Fox subsidiary would risk such a down note end. It's more an Alien thing.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2020, 11:42:46 PM
What you argued was they wouldn't stop that ending from happening to "appeal to the mature audience". The post never said the rest of the movie would be sanitised, just that it was unlikely to have such a bleak end.
But I get your point. Disney won't have its name anywhere near it - but that doesn't mean the Fox subsidiary would risk such a down note end. It's more an Alien thing.
I don't know what they [FOX] would like to happen. I know what I would like to see however, and that is a subversion of the expected ending we have already seen four times now
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2020, 11:03:42 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 02, 2020, 10:56:52 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2020, 10:54:40 PM
Because the big bad is vanquished by the hero in the end. That doesn't mean bad stuff doesn't happen earlier. If it didn't, there'd be no triumph in the victory.
What does that have to do with Disney moving forward? And that in itself is a product of the time, and the kind of story they were telling.
It is not a retroactive telling of how Disney would handle the project moving forward. It's not even being published by Disney.
Product of its time? The last movie came out two years ago and once again features the protagonists victorious.
Where's the idea coming from that the general "mature" audience wants to see the protagonists fail?
Because it's
Grittyand mature people must like gritty, unhappy and gray things :laugh:
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Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 03, 2020, 12:12:45 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2020, 11:03:42 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 02, 2020, 10:56:52 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2020, 10:54:40 PM
Because the big bad is vanquished by the hero in the end. That doesn't mean bad stuff doesn't happen earlier. If it didn't, there'd be no triumph in the victory.
What does that have to do with Disney moving forward? And that in itself is a product of the time, and the kind of story they were telling.
It is not a retroactive telling of how Disney would handle the project moving forward. It's not even being published by Disney.
Product of its time? The last movie came out two years ago and once again features the protagonists victorious.
Where's the idea coming from that the general "mature" audience wants to see the protagonists fail?
Because it's Gritty
and mature people must like gritty, unhappy and gray things :laugh:
That's really more of a teenager thing.
t. 30-something year old teenager.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 03, 2020, 12:45:17 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 03, 2020, 12:12:45 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2020, 11:03:42 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 02, 2020, 10:56:52 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 02, 2020, 10:54:40 PM
Because the big bad is vanquished by the hero in the end. That doesn't mean bad stuff doesn't happen earlier. If it didn't, there'd be no triumph in the victory.
What does that have to do with Disney moving forward? And that in itself is a product of the time, and the kind of story they were telling.
It is not a retroactive telling of how Disney would handle the project moving forward. It's not even being published by Disney.
Product of its time? The last movie came out two years ago and once again features the protagonists victorious.
Where's the idea coming from that the general "mature" audience wants to see the protagonists fail?
Because it's Gritty
and mature people must like gritty, unhappy and gray things :laugh:
That's really more of a teenager thing.
t. 30-something year old teenager.
Oh I know ;D
I'm kind of confused here.
Everyone wants something a little different than the original formula without betraying the spirit, it's a normal thing when expecting a new movie.
I'd like to see the return of more horror/tension like probably all of us here, keep the gore but not in a cartoonish way like the last movie, way less humor (not zero though), and maybe a more mystical approach of what the predator is for the protagonists, through their culture and beliefs.
Seems like the perfect setting for that IMO.
All good points BDJ and they can make wonderfull things with wildlife in such setting.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 02, 2020, 02:33:17 PM
My apologies, I don't mean to come off that way, genuinely.
I just don't see any real difference between something like this and the original film. In either situation, be they Comanche warriors or Dutch's team, the Predator could kill all of them in a matter of minutes if it chose to just sit in the trees, cloaked, and fire its plasma cannon at them one by one. That's just kind of baked into these movies. Dutch and his guys' weapons were all essentially ineffective, as they couldn't land a shot to save their lives, and the Predators like toying with their prey which inevitably leads to their downfall as the hero character taps into their inner primal nature, rather than their technology, and uses that to come out on top.
To me, this seems like a neat concept to just scrap the superfluous "modern" technology right from the start. And because the human characters here will be starting from a slightly lesser playing field weapons wise, that will likely ramp the tension up more.
It's all good. I think what I'm basically getting at is - imagine it's Terminator. Terminator 1 continually ramps up to Terminator 18 with things getting bigger and badder every time.
This is pretty much the way they've handled predator. Will it work going back to Terminator 1? I think I'd love it personally, but it might be a hard sell on the audience's these days. Especially in terms of trailers etc.
It's almost going to have to be sold as a horror movie.
Quote from: Highland on Dec 03, 2020, 11:30:36 AMIt's almost going to have to be sold as a horror movie.
To be honest, that might be the best idea for a predator movie now. We've had humanised predators, and super predators, and hybrid predators, and it just dilutes the impact of the creatures. Make it a horror movie where the antagonist is a predator, and you might just find an audience.
Quote from: Highland on Dec 03, 2020, 11:30:36 AM
It's all good. I think what I'm basically getting at is - imagine it's Terminator. Terminator 1 continually ramps up to Terminator 18 with things getting bigger and badder every time.
And each movie arguably getting worse after the second.
Going back to basics has worked for a lot of franchises in the last decade or so, especially in the action/horror genres. Halloween is one recent example. The idea that it always needs to get bigger and badder with no regard to telling a good story at its heart has only lead to increasingly disappointing movies.
They can 100% take it back to basics and get the general audience excited by putting together a great story.
Quote from: Master on Dec 03, 2020, 11:24:29 AM
All good points BDJ and they can make wonderfull things with wildlife in such setting.
Oh yeah ! Bears and wolves among other things, fits perfectly in a predator movie, I would love to see that !
I'm mostly excited about the potential location. Open plains and some really unique, beautiful rocky formations would be a fresh setting for predator, if that's where this ends up going. The openness would definitely come with its own sense of vulnerability, different from a dense jungle or chaotic city.
Could we maybe see a Predator on horseback?
Quote from: KiramidHead on Dec 03, 2020, 07:43:37 PM
Could we maybe see a Predator on horseback?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Please god no more silly and weird stuff like in the last movie ! Not in this one please ! No preds on horses, no preds with feathers lol.
Only if it's an Alien horse! :laugh:
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And this took a turn! :D
I like the opportunity to portray Predator as "demon who makes trophies of men" in the pre-scientific history. When King Willie talks about Predator as a ghost or other-wordly creature, it adds a cool, mystical element to him. I would be happy if the natives never realize the alien aspect and just put him in the spiritual/demon prism.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 03, 2020, 10:31:17 AM
Everyone wants something a little different than the original formula without betraying the spirit, it's a normal thing when expecting a new movie.
I'd like to see the return of more horror/tension like probably all of us here, keep the gore but not in a cartoonish way like the last movie, way less humor (not zero though), and maybe a more mystical approach of what the predator is for the protagonists, through their culture and beliefs.
Seems like the perfect setting for that IMO.
I'm so excited for this!! I really enjoyed 10 Cloverfield Lane so there is hope... after the crushing disappointment that was The Predator, its all one can do. But I also agree with you, this is what I'd like to see with the new movie, the horror, tension and suspense is something I'm craving for with the Predator movies. I'm loving the sound of the possible direction, its a direction I've wanted from the franchise since the elder gave Harrigan the Flintlock in Predator 2.
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actually very raw, ngl.
Quote from: overthere on Dec 03, 2020, 10:40:28 PM
I like the opportunity to portray Predator as "demon who makes trophies of men" in the pre-scientific history. When King Willie talks about Predator as a ghost or other-wordly creature, it adds a cool, mystical element to him. I would be happy if the natives never realize the alien aspect and just put him in the spiritual/demon prism.
That's a good idea.
Quote from: overthere on Dec 03, 2020, 10:40:28 PM
I like the opportunity to portray Predator as "demon who makes trophies of men" in the pre-scientific history. When King Willie talks about Predator as a ghost or other-wordly creature, it adds a cool, mystical element to him. I would be happy if the natives never realize the alien aspect and just put him in the spiritual/demon prism.
Yeah this is cool. It may also be the ritual or the passing for the natives. Maybe this is some kind of long term rite of passage.
That would also tie in nicely with the early concept that the Predators were based on the Maasai. There's a lot of potential.
Well this movie won't have horses for either side. One, Preds riding alien horses rides in the same vein assclownery as the hounds from the last movie. Just a green alien horse with dreadlocks. You want that in the film? The previous hound design before that looked more viscous and alien, but they decided to go with the green pitbull dog thing with dreadlocks instead. I don't trust any alien equivalent companions after that. Left a sour taste in my mouth.
Two, horses went extinct in the Americas thousands of years ago. It was only the arrival of Europeans with their horses that the population was reintroduced to American soil. Since this movie takes place pre-colonialism, we won't see Comaches riding them.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 04, 2020, 05:19:30 AM
Two, horses went extinct in the Americas thousands of years ago. It was only the arrival of Europeans with their horses that the population was reintroduced to American soil. Since this movie takes place pre-colonialism, we won't see Comaches riding them.
We talked about this on our next podcast. The Comanche actually existed until around the 19th century, and their entire culture was actually driven by the trade of horses, so I don't think it's unreasonable that by pre-Colonisation, it might mean prior to the Comanche actually being f**ked over which could extend into the 19th century.
I was thinking about a pred on a earth horse... No please no get that image out of my head :laugh:
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 04, 2020, 07:02:41 AM
We talked about this on our next podcast. The Comanche actually existed until around the 19th century, and their entire culture was actually driven by the trade of horses, so I don't think it's unreasonable that by pre-Colonisation, it might mean prior to the Comanche actually being f**ked over which could extend into the 19th century.
Wait, you misread my comment. I'm not saying that the Comanche tribe didn't exist in that time. Its the fact that
horses were not a thing during
pre-colonialization times. Horses would not roam the North American lands, until the 16th century, as Spanish explorer Hernán Cortez brought horses on his own expedition from Europe in 1519, reintroducing them to mainland America starting with Mexico. Which would be colonial times, which the movie does not take place in.
Wait do we know this is movie will be pre-colonial?
It's heavily implied but not confirmed, I think.
It will be so much more difficult to pull off though, I don't know where this will be going.
Quote from: overthere on Dec 03, 2020, 10:40:28 PM
I like the opportunity to portray Predator as "demon who makes trophies of men" in the pre-scientific history. When King Willie talks about Predator as a ghost or other-wordly creature, it adds a cool, mystical element to him. I would be happy if the natives never realize the alien aspect and just put him in the spiritual/demon prism.
I totally agree. When Predator is viewed within a mythical lens is when it works best. The Thomas Brothers did call the Predator a modern day Minotaur!
And that's why I hate all that Yatja, blooded, bad blood, elder, or whatever bullshit that was printed on the back of a predator toy box. The predator is a movie monster like Jason Voorhees. A tale whispered around the campfire, not a Klingon. This movie could be the first movie to get it right since Predator: Dark Ages.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Dec 05, 2020, 08:24:53 PM
And that's why I hate all that Yatja, blooded, bad blood, elder, or whatever bullshit that was printed on the back of a predator toy box. The predator is a movie monster like Jason Voorhees. A tale whispered around the campfire, not a Klingon. This movie could be the first movie to get it right since Predator: Dark Ages.
I would say since... P2 is more likely :P
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 05, 2020, 09:01:37 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Dec 05, 2020, 08:24:53 PM
And that's why I hate all that Yatja, blooded, bad blood, elder, or whatever bullshit that was printed on the back of a predator toy box. The predator is a movie monster like Jason Voorhees. A tale whispered around the campfire, not a Klingon. This movie could be the first movie to get it right since Predator: Dark Ages.
I would say since... P2 is more likely :P
Just showing some love for the relatively unknown fan film. It's the best Predator film since Predator 2.
Dark Ages was a good fan film.
Joking aside I agree, it was cool, props to the people who made it.
When even James Bond latest AAA title is heading to home streaming (despite first round of talks stalling) I can't say I am surprised.
That's more indicative of the fact that there's an ongoing global pandemic and less about quality or audience interest.
Quote from: Jigsaw85 on Dec 05, 2020, 08:24:53 PM
And that's why I hate all that Yatja, blooded, bad blood, elder, or whatever bullshit that was printed on the back of a predator toy box. The predator is a movie monster like Jason Voorhees. A tale whispered around the campfire, not a Klingon. This movie could be the first movie to get it right since Predator: Dark Ages.
You're going to love our next podcast. :)
Predator can be a story around a campfire but making it into Jason losses its nuance as well as ignores that it's a sports hunter first and that everything it does is built around that.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Dec 06, 2020, 01:39:01 PM
Predator can be a story around a campfire but making it into Jason losses its nuance as well as ignores that it's a sports hunter first and that everything it does is built around that.
I dunno, if you're a giraffe, that nice dentist is basically Jason. It's perspective.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Dec 06, 2020, 01:39:01 PM
Predator can be a story around a campfire but making it into Jason losses its nuance as well as ignores that it's a sports hunter first and that everything it does is built around that.
I believe the thinking here is a Predator needs to be filmed much like a slasher film. But I agree, there's much more to a Predator than Jason that should always stay intact - that he's not a mindless psychopathic monster or the incarnate of evil but an other worldly sports hunter from an ancient race on a thrill of a hunt. The equivelant to what we saw in Predator/Predator 2.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Dec 06, 2020, 01:39:01 PM
Predator can be a story around a campfire but making it into Jason losses its nuance as well as ignores that it's a sports hunter first and that everything it does is built around that.
I never said he was like Jason as a character, just his presence and mystique is comparable. Something that gets ruined the second you start explaining anything beyond "It kills for sport."
I also hate how the Preds have been shown to do close range combat, with the exception of The Predator. I feel it's time to showcase them in a whole new light now, in terms of how they fight. No more slow "Kaiju-style" fighting. I think it would be really cool to depict them utilizing some form of combat techniques, similar to Martial Arts. Strong, quick lunges. Show off power, and play to their massive size in a way that makes sense.
These beings are capable of leaping incredibly high in the air, moving at great speeds, all while at any given time carrying around half a ton in their own weight, plus the weight of mechanical equipment. I would love to see them do more than oddly choreographed slap moves. And if we stick to wrastlin', at least go all the way.
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My theory is directors are scared to do anything with the Pred, with regards to fights outside of what they saw the first do against Dutch. I think that was less of Anytime/Jungle Hunter doing all he was capable of, and more him "playing with his food", in a sense.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 07, 2020, 02:50:39 AM
I also hate how the Preds have been shown to do close range combat, with the exception of The Predator. I feel it's time to showcase them in a whole new light now, in terms of how they fight. No more slow "Kaiju-style" fighting. I think it would be really cool to depict them utilizing some form of combat techniques, similar to Martial Arts. Strong, quick lunges. Show off power, and play to their massive size in a way that makes sense.
These beings are capable of leaping incredibly high in the air, moving at great speeds, all while at any given time carrying around half a ton in their own weight, plus the weight of mechanical equipment. I would love to see them do more than oddly choreographed slap moves. And if we stick to wrastlin', at least go all the way.
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My theory is directors are scared to do anything with the Pred, with regards to fights outside of what they saw the first do against Dutch. I think that was less of Anytime/Jungle Hunter doing all he was capable of, and more him "playing with his food", in a sense.
THANK YOU!
I've been wanting fast and agile Predators for YEARS! If Predators are able to jump high and long distances of going to point A to point B, how is it not possible for them to be any quicker in close quarter combat? We see how their agility and speed works in conjunction with their strength in videogames such as Predator: Concrete Jungle and even as guest fighters in Mortal Kombat 10. They are a sapient warrior-hunter race, are they not? So how is there no showing of their martial prowess, any type of fighting style or technique shown in any of the films?
Its kind of the reasons why the fight between Mr Black and Crucified was such a let down after being used to the epic boss fights in Concrete Jungle. Even the fights between Terminators in the Terminator franchise show that these machines go at it hardcore, with the slamming of objects onto each other, fists, powerful kicks, and throwing each other into walls with such weight and power to demonstrate these are powerhouses. Their fights pretty much convey that these are killing machines designed for extreme combat and not people with suits and makeup. I'm surprised the folks who done the Predator fight scene even think of mixing acting fight chorography with CGI to show skill and ability like we see in the past Terminator films.
However going back to this point for the new film, it would help create what The Predator tried to do with a bigger and badder Predator, making Predators a real and dangerous threat. By portraying the originals with speed and agility in their fighting, to complement their immense strength, to show that taking these beings head on is near impossible, you must be forced to find alternate ways of killing it. Perfectly cement to us that the stakes are high and its not going to go well for the main characters of the film.
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Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 04, 2020, 07:02:41 AM
We talked about this on our next podcast. The Comanche actually existed until around the 19th century, and their entire culture was actually driven by the trade of horses, so I don't think it's unreasonable that by pre-Colonisation, it might mean prior to the Comanche actually being f**ked over which could extend into the 19th century.
Wait, you misread my comment. I'm not saying that the Comanche tribe didn't exist in that time. Its the fact that horses were not a thing during pre-colonialization times. Horses would not roam the North American lands, until the 16th century, as Spanish explorer Hernán Cortez brought horses on his own expedition from Europe in 1519, reintroducing them to mainland America starting with Mexico. Which would be colonial times, which the movie does not take place in.
I'm saying that the Comanche as a particular tribe and culture didn't exist until the horses drove that culture, so the whole pre-Colonial aspect might just be in reference to that particular tribe. We didn't use the term pre-Colonial when we reported this (and we were the ones to report it) only that it was taking place before terrorities were taken over.
The Comanche angle came from the Skulls report. So if it's before the Comanche terrorities were taken over, it could extend into the 19th century and if it is the Comanche it will feature horseback because that was one of the defining elements that made them Comanche.
Of course, it could all end up being some Hollywood blend of different tribes.
We risk however to end up with fights looking like the ones in predators, the hanzo one and the pred on pred one.
Whether they had horses or not during that time, is historical accuracy a huge thing for you guys for a Predator movie??
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 07, 2020, 10:44:39 AM
We risk however to end up with fights looking like the ones in predators, the hanzo one and the pred on pred one.
Oh, that's definitely not what I'm thinking of. Not even the right direction.
Quote from: germanator2 on Dec 07, 2020, 11:50:32 AM
Whether they had horses or not during that time, is historical accuracy a huge thing for you guys for a Predator movie??
To a certain extent. Suspension of disbelief only goes so far. You have to ground the film otherwise it just becomes meaningless fantasy where anything can happen.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 07, 2020, 12:10:18 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 07, 2020, 10:44:39 AM
We risk however to end up with fights looking like the ones in predators, the hanzo one and the pred on pred one.
Oh, that's definitely not what I'm thinking of. Not even the right direction.
I agree, it looked bad. But that's the difficulty with this creature, when you show too much, it quickly slips into silly territory, and the guy in a latex suit struggling to execute a choregraphy is the only thing you end up seeing.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 07, 2020, 01:36:32 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 07, 2020, 12:10:18 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 07, 2020, 10:44:39 AM
We risk however to end up with fights looking like the ones in predators, the hanzo one and the pred on pred one.
Oh, that's definitely not what I'm thinking of. Not even the right direction.
I agree, it looked bad. But that's the difficulty with this creature, when you show too much, it quickly slips into silly territory, and the guy in a latex suit struggling to execute a choregraphy is the only thing you end up seeing.
It's not that they would be showing too much. It's that what little we already see currently IS bad choreography.
What I'm asking for is better choreography. Other films with the same amount of costume work are able to do it.
So what we have is purposely bad choreography, not limitations from the suit work.
The Hanzo fight was bad from start to finish.. choreography, direction...
a bore.
Actually liked how mobile the predators were in Shane Black's film. Shane can't really direct action but the stuntmen and whoever animated the Predators was doing good work.
The build-up to the fight was excellent though.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2020, 02:30:59 PM
The build-up to the fight was excellent though.
I think it's fair to credit Billy's build-up for that.
Not really. Even if it was an obvious homage, they still did a good job putting it together. No different to how Predator 2 aped the same scene so effectively with King Willie, or Aliens with the slaughterhouse massacre.
I have no issue with a Samurai inspired duel with a Pred, conceptually. It's execution left more to be desired, however.
One of my favorite instances of a director showcasing the Predator's actual physical abilities and prowless was surprisingly from Paul Anderson's AVP.
I literally yelled in my theater chair in shock and excitement when I saw Scar do this.
(https://i.imgur.com/BxiTwO9.gif)
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2020, 02:50:25 PM
Not really. Even if it was an obvious homage, they still did a good job putting it together. No different to how Predator 2 aped the same scene so effectively with King Willie, or Aliens with the slaughterhouse massacre.
Come on now, the Aliens / OWLF monitor sequence I'll 100% give you, but nobody accuses the King Willie scene for aping the Billy scene. Billy and Hanzo, both turning to confront the Predator while the others flee and taking off their shirts, throws the shirt down, unsheathes his blade, all to the very same beats of Silvestri music? If you credit the build up to the Hanzo Falconer fight alone, you HAVE to credit Predator 1987 because it's so darn similar as a nod, copy homage, rip-off, however one chooses to perceive it.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 07, 2020, 10:43:00 AM
I'm saying that the Comanche as a particular tribe and culture didn't exist until the horses drove that culture, so the whole pre-Colonial aspect might just be in reference to that particular tribe. We didn't use the term pre-Colonial when we reported this (and we were the ones to report it) only that it was taking place before terrorities were taken over.
The Comanche angle came from the Skulls report. So if it's before the Comanche terrorities were taken over, it could extend into the 19th century and if it is the Comanche it will feature horseback because that was one of the defining elements that made them Comanche.
Of course, it could all end up being some Hollywood blend of different tribes.
Oh, you mean in the cultural form that we know of the Comanche? Ok yeah I see what you mean. Yeah, both reports do seem a bit conflicting seeing to how if they wish to display the Comanches as we culturally know them for, then the film would have to take place during colonial times when the introduction of horses made them an absolute warrior powerhouse society. Yeah, pre-colonial times, they weren't as powerful or hostile as they were later famously were known to be in history.
Honestly, it would make more sense if it took place in colonial times like late 18th or mid 19th century, seeing thats when they were a warrior society at their peak. Perfect for a Predator seeking out dangerous prey to hunt and fight. I can imagine a reimagining of the scene in Predator where the Predator witnesses a Comanche raid or defending territory against another U.S forces, as it walks down to observe the aftermath and determines that these warriors are worthy foes to make trophies out of just like Jungle Hunter determined for Dutch and his team. Plus, war horses, metal forged weapons, flintlocks, and repeating rifles would make things more fair for the human side, seeing that the Predator literally has all the advantages.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 07, 2020, 03:09:22 PM
I have no issue with a Samurai inspired duel with a Pred, conceptually. It's execution left more to be desired, however.
One of my favorite instances of a director showcasing the Predator's actual physical abilities and prowless was surprisingly from Paul Anderson's AVP.
I literally yelled in my theater chair in shock and excitement when I saw Scar do this.
https://i.imgur.com/BxiTwO9.gif
How could I forget this? Great CGI that displays physical prowess and in the next scene, good practical effects and acting. I want to see more of this in future films with Predator.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2020, 02:50:25 PM
Not really. Even if it was an obvious homage, they still did a good job putting it together. No different to how Predator 2 aped the same scene so effectively with King Willie, or Aliens with the slaughterhouse massacre.
But in P2 they got it right by not showing the confrontation, unlike that stupid hanzo fight in predators.
I don't want to see a movie from the studio , I want to see a movie from the director that has a brilliant idea of the franchise as long the script is superior.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 07, 2020, 05:26:06 PMBut in P2 they got it right by not showing the confrontation, unlike that stupid hanzo fight in predators.
Like I said, the
build-up was excellent.
The actual fight was a huge letdown.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 07, 2020, 03:09:22 PM
I have no issue with a Samurai inspired duel with a Pred, conceptually. It's execution left more to be desired, however.
One of my favorite instances of a director showcasing the Predator's actual physical abilities and prowless was surprisingly from Paul Anderson's AVP.
I literally yelled in my theater chair in shock and excitement when I saw Scar do this.
https://i.imgur.com/BxiTwO9.gif
I agree with this, but it's CGI and I fear we wouldn't get near a convincing result like that with a guy in a suit. What I mean is that it will require TREMENDOUSLY good camera work and editing + TOP NOTCH work from the suit guy, which is unlikely imo.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 07, 2020, 05:27:28 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 07, 2020, 05:26:06 PMBut in P2 they got it right by not showing the confrontation, unlike that stupid hanzo fight in predators.
Like I said, the build-up was excellent.
The actual fight was a huge letdown.
I disagree, Hanzo has not enough background, no real reason to sacrifice himself. Billy has. He faces his fear, the movie introduce us early with his ability to "sense" the predator around. When he has enough with running, he faces his destiny, full circle. The build up is here, it has a point.
With Hanzo it doesn't. So it's not a real build up. Why would he want to risk his life for strangers ? Did we get introduced with something mystical between him and the preds ? Nope. This scene is here just for the geek fantasy of seeing a yakuza sword fight a pred.
It can be done, and we should demand more/a higher standard than what we have been getting for these films. More has been done on smaller budgets with other projects.
I refuse to continue to watch them destroy this franchise with mediocrity.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 07, 2020, 03:09:22 PM
I have no issue with a Samurai inspired duel with a Pred, conceptually. It's execution left more to be desired, however.
One of my favorite instances of a director showcasing the Predator's actual physical abilities and prowless was surprisingly from Paul Anderson's AVP.
I literally yelled in my theater chair in shock and excitement when I saw Scar do this.
https://i.imgur.com/BxiTwO9.gif
Oh yes. Yes, yes, yes
I liked the Hanzo fight.
Even though Predators had a mixed review, many agreed that the Hanzo vs Falconer was one of the highlights of the film that everyone loved a whole lot. I thought it was great.
Speaking of great fights, I was rewatching some Blade 2 clips and saw the final fight between Blade and Nomak. This is what I want to see in future Predator fights in films. Scenes that display the ability of the character as it should. This scene in Blade 2 tells us all, the martial arts that clearly displays the skill level of both characters as each is getting their fair share of blows with Blade clearly being slightly outmatched, the blend of both CGI and actor chorography telling the story of two supernatural beings with incredible strength, speed, and agility that far surpasses a human being, with each shot seamlessly blending in with each other as the fight flows on hard.
Oh I wished the Berserker and Crucified Predator fight was something like this in its own Predator way.
I always thought Predators being pretty perfunctory brawlers was more in keeping with the character than any sort of flowy martial art. Who the hell tries to use martial arts when hunting lions, tigers, bears, oh my?
I'm sure there would be Predators who have some sort of impressive martial arts the same way humans do, but it doesn't really feel consistent with the tribal warrior characterisation.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 08, 2020, 06:22:49 AM
Even though Predators had a mixed review, many agreed that the Hanzo vs Falconer was one of the highlights of the film that everyone loved a whole lot. I thought it was great.
Speaking of great fights, I was rewatching some Blade 2 clips and saw the final fight between Blade and Nomak. This is what I want to see in future Predator fights in films. Scenes that display the ability of the character as it should. This scene in Blade 2 tells us all, the martial arts that clearly displays the skill level of both characters as each is getting their fair share of blows with Blade clearly being slightly outmatched, the blend of both CGI and actor chorography telling the story of two supernatural beings with incredible strength, speed, and agility that far surpasses a human being, with each shot seamlessly blending in with each other as the fight flows on hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkehb4FAaeY
Oh I wished the Berserker and Crucified Predator fight was something like this in its own Predator way.
I love that fight. Soooo much better than the hanzo one :P
Maybe against "Bad Blood" Predators, regular Predators would have some kind of close quarters combat training, but it's seems really unnecessary against humans. You basically see how agile the Predator is in the first film when he's swinging to trees. You also get a sense of his speed after he blows Dillon's arm off and you see him sprinting thru the jungle towards him. They've never been not agile or fast in the films. Any kind of flashing martial arts would be really cheesy and kill the suspense about it.
Yeah, I'm not sure seeing one use Predjitsu on Arnie would've had quite the same effect as just watching it pummel him.
I especially like the bit where Arnie punches it on the noggin, and it glares back at him for a moment before mimicking him, balling up its first and slamming him right back in the face.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2020, 06:35:31 AM
I always thought Predators being pretty perfunctory brawlers was more in keeping with the character than any sort of flowy martial art. Who the hell tries to use martial arts when hunting lions, tigers, bears, oh my?
I'm sure there would be Predators who have some sort of impressive martial arts the same way humans do, but it doesn't really feel consistent with the tribal warrior characterisation.
I won't get into a long post, cause I'm in the bed sick. But there's far more to martial arts than 70s era Kung Fu.
Any sort of fighting style, no matter how simplistic is a form of some kind of martial art. Even what you see Wrestlers do is a dumbed down version of some form of martial arts.
I'm calling for a well thought out form of combat to compliment their size and physicality, and capability. Hard simple strikes and lunges would work well and not come off as silly. Look to Bājíquán or Muay Thai, or other fighting disciplines that premier mostly simple, hard strikes using elbows, knees and fist. If you can use your imagination, it could look quite ideal.
(https://i.imgur.com/QBAnmgx.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/dcrOizV.gif)
And they don't have to constantly pump out these forms of attacks. Just anything is better than literally everything we have ever got on film.
Also, with regards to we don't use martial arts versus game comment, that's true. Because it wouldn't physically make a difference. Predators are superior to US in every way. Physical ability, tech. I can't fathom how back hand slapping us is acceptable, but any form of actual punching isn't.
EDIT - Even if the focus is on bladed weapons techniques, there's better ways to visually show them using their weapons than what we got with Hanzo, for example. Which looked like a child flailing around his parent's butcher knife.
Well this thread seems to have devolved somewhat
Just wanted to pop in and say if this movie does happen, please for the love of god have the predator be a person in a suit and not some CGI abomination
That is all
Quote from: Doomofman on Dec 08, 2020, 03:24:25 PM
Just wanted to pop in and say if this movie does happen, please for the love of god have the predator be a person in a suit and not some CGI abomination
I'm totally comfortable in 2020 having both. There's no real reason, not to. Good CGI you don't actually see.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2020, 06:35:31 AM
I'm sure there would be Predators who have some sort of impressive martial arts the same way humans do, but it doesn't really feel consistent with the tribal warrior characterisation.
to be fair.. it's not as if space age weaponry is consistent with the tribal warrior aesthetic either.
Quote from: skhellter on Dec 08, 2020, 03:56:11 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2020, 06:35:31 AM
I'm sure there would be Predators who have some sort of impressive martial arts the same way humans do, but it doesn't really feel consistent with the tribal warrior characterisation.
to be fair.. it's not as if space age weaponry is consistent with the tribal warrior aesthetic either.
Exactly. And, if we are talking about something actually "fitting" the 'tribal warrior' aesthetic, which Preds themselves do not actually conform to in totality, various forms of martial arts are thousands of years old, unlike light bending technology, shoulder mounted laser cannons, interstellar travel...
Quote from: Sol on Dec 08, 2020, 01:42:51 PM
Even if the focus is on bladed weapons techniques, there's better ways to visually show them using their weapons than what we got with Hanzo, for example. Which looked like a child flailing around his parent's butcher knife.
I can't speak to the authenticity of it, but it was supposed to be choregraphed based on a Japanese sword fighting style. The name escapes me at the minute.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2020, 04:01:52 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 08, 2020, 01:42:51 PM
Even if the focus is on bladed weapons techniques, there's better ways to visually show them using their weapons than what we got with Hanzo, for example. Which looked like a child flailing around his parent's butcher knife.
I can't speak to the authenticity of it, but it was supposed to be choregraphed based on a Japanese sword fighting style. The name escapes me at the minute.
I kind of remember reading something about that. It seems as if the focus was more on Hanzo's movements than Falconer's. More than likely, it was Jigen-ryu which is an old Samurai sword fighting style that emphasizes strong, quick strikes using traditional Japanese blades, and they typically try to end the battle in one strike, while holding poses similar to what Hanzo used.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 08, 2020, 04:05:11 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2020, 04:01:52 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 08, 2020, 01:42:51 PM
Even if the focus is on bladed weapons techniques, there's better ways to visually show them using their weapons than what we got with Hanzo, for example. Which looked like a child flailing around his parent's butcher knife.
I can't speak to the authenticity of it, but it was supposed to be choregraphed based on a Japanese sword fighting style. The name escapes me at the minute.
I kind of remember reading something about that. It seems as if the focus was more on Hanzo's movements than Falconer's. More than likely, it was Jigen-ryu which is an old Samurai sword fighting style that emphasizes strong, quick strikes using traditional Japanese blades, and they typically try to end the battle in one strike, while holding poses similar to what Hanzo used.
Louis Ozawa-Changchien has been practicing kendo since he was 5 and did his own stunts for Hanzo's fight with the Falconer Predator, but the crew didn't know this when he was cast. He brought his kendo teacher (who he considers a second father) on to help choreograph the scene.
This fight was very well made by highly trained martial artists, most martial arts in film is exaggerated where when you see the pure martial arts in form it looks pale in comparison cuz its not flashy, while in reality is actually functional without the silly spins and open telegraphed fights we see in media.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 08, 2020, 06:58:21 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 08, 2020, 04:05:11 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 08, 2020, 04:01:52 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 08, 2020, 01:42:51 PM
Even if the focus is on bladed weapons techniques, there's better ways to visually show them using their weapons than what we got with Hanzo, for example. Which looked like a child flailing around his parent's butcher knife.
I can't speak to the authenticity of it, but it was supposed to be choregraphed based on a Japanese sword fighting style. The name escapes me at the minute.
The Hanzo character himself was fine. My issue is with the Predator's movement.
I kind of remember reading something about that. It seems as if the focus was more on Hanzo's movements than Falconer's. More than likely, it was Jigen-ryu which is an old Samurai sword fighting style that emphasizes strong, quick strikes using traditional Japanese blades, and they typically try to end the battle in one strike, while holding poses similar to what Hanzo used.
Louis Ozawa-Changchien has been practicing kendo since he was 5 and did his own stunts for Hanzo's fight with the Falconer Predator, but the crew didn't know this when he was cast. He brought his kendo teacher (who he considers a second father) on to help choreograph the scene.
This fight was very well made by highly trained martial artists, most martial arts in film is exaggerated where when you see the pure martial arts in form it looks pale in comparison cuz its not flashy, while in reality is actually functional without the silly spins and open telegraphed fights we see in media.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 08, 2020, 01:42:51 PM
Any sort of fighting style, no matter how simplistic is a form of some kind of martial art. Even what you see Wrestlers do is a dumbed down version of some form of martial arts.
Yes, I know. Which is why I specified flowy and "impressive" martial arts styles.
Hanzo`s fight was fine. Good old kenjutsu based on Akira Kurosawa`s films. Pradator should be shown as swift and aglie but without unnecesary movement. He is hunter not dancer.
Basically. I think what we've seen so far has suited them pretty well.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2020, 08:59:52 PM
Basically. I think what we've seen so far has suited them pretty well.
Sans a few specific instances, I feel most of the altercations have been horrible. Berserker vs Crucified. Celtic vs Grid. Wolf vs Hybrid. Harrigan vs. City (finale). All terrible fights, IMO.
I'm not satisfied with what have been getting, and I feel it's long time for improvement.
I dunno, feels like it just sort of illustrates they're more about hunting than hand to hand fights. Fits the character that their close combat is just pragmatically trying to pummel the other opponent to death.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2020, 09:57:51 PM
I dunno, feels like it just sort of illustrates they're more about hunting than hand to hand fights. Fits the character that their close combat is just pragmatically trying to pummel the other opponent to death.
I'm fine with that. It's just how they do it has always looked like it's done by someone who doesn't know how to throw a punch, essentially. Objectively, a purposeful punch would look better than back hand slaps, I would say.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 08, 2020, 10:11:11 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2020, 09:57:51 PM
I dunno, feels like it just sort of illustrates they're more about hunting than hand to hand fights. Fits the character that their close combat is just pragmatically trying to pummel the other opponent to death.
I'm fine with that. It's just how they do it has always looked like it's done by someone who doesn't know how to throw a punch, essentially. Objectively, a purposeful punch would look better than back hand slaps, I would say.
Jungle Hunter kicking Dutch's ass doesn't look THAT different either, no technique, just pummeling, but the camera work and editing is very effective, which is essential as always.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 08, 2020, 11:32:56 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 08, 2020, 10:11:11 PM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 08, 2020, 09:57:51 PM
I dunno, feels like it just sort of illustrates they're more about hunting than hand to hand fights. Fits the character that their close combat is just pragmatically trying to pummel the other opponent to death.
I'm fine with that. It's just how they do it has always looked like it's done by someone who doesn't know how to throw a punch, essentially. Objectively, a purposeful punch would look better than back hand slaps, I would say.
Jungle Hunter kicking Dutch's ass doesn't look THAT different either, no technique, just pummeling, but the camera work and editing is very effective, which is essential as always.
Absolutely. I spoke earlier about how I viewed that fight as Jungle Hunter toying with him, mostly. In the context of the film, Jungle Hunter appeared to get cocky, while also giving Dutch who survived longer than his previous prey appeared to have, wanting to torture him up close before trying to end it with his Wrist blades. A mistake which ultimately cost him his life.
But that was the very first film in 1987. There's no excuse to keep repeating that fight ad-nasuem since.
How about a crossover with The Raid? The Preds wouldn't know what hit them.
The predators agility is arguably shown best in predator 2 - without the use of CGI.
I get the "martial arts" angle, but those arts are when you meet up with a somewhat equal playing field. A Predator doesn't give a shit if he's fighting Floyd Mayweather and Bruce Lee, he punches him....he's dead. It's like saying we should use martial arts on a Gorilla.
Quote from: Highland on Dec 09, 2020, 07:00:08 AMIt's like saying we should use martial arts on a Gorilla.
Tbf I'd pay to see that.
How is that thread turned into discussion about how Predator should kick its victim ?
Quote from: Sol on Dec 08, 2020, 03:29:15 PM
Quote from: Doomofman on Dec 08, 2020, 03:24:25 PM
Just wanted to pop in and say if this movie does happen, please for the love of god have the predator be a person in a suit and not some CGI abomination
I'm totally comfortable in 2020 having both. There's no real reason, not to. Good CGI you don't actually see.
Except Predator and 1 and 2 manage to do it without CGI. You're not going to improve on anything, especially after 'The Predator ('18) travesty with the CGI Predator.
I didn't have a problem with the fight between Harrigan and the City Hunter. By the end, they're both wounded and exhausted, plus the Predator only had one arm too. So it makes sense he's doing these aggressive swings with his wrist blades. And of course, one of the Predator's main weakness is definitely pride and their cockiness, when he left himself to open for Harrigan to stab him with the disc.
But tell you what, for a finalle, give me a good brawl/beat down between the Predator and two Native American warriors with knives and tomahawks or spears, working together and using their wits and survival skills to take the Predator down, and I think it could be epic. You wouldn't need flashy kicks or punches. As someone pointed out, the Predator isn't a dancer.
I always felt a bit underwhelmed with final fight in Predator 2 in comparision to Dutch vs JH. In first one it feels like an important event, like JH makes Dutch an honor fighting him hand-to-hand. Fight in P2 feels more like "Eh, I guess they gonna fight now" It felt too quick to me
P. S. Voodoo, I still love P2. Please, don't come after me
Like germanator said, I think the difference in the second film was the fact they'd already knocked seven shades of shit out of each other in the warehouse and on the rooftops before they finally went toe-to-toe. In the first movie the Predator was still fresh when it decided to duke it out with Arnie.
Quote from: germanator2 on Dec 09, 2020, 10:23:35 AM
Except Predator and 1 and 2 manage to do it without CGI. You're not going to improve on anything, especially after 'The Predator ('18) travesty with the CGI Predator.
I just disagree with this. That was passable for a film released 30 years ago, but not now. And definitely not with today's audience. It's a bit naive IMO to think this kind of film franchise can continue to survive making the same kind of film released in 1987. Especially considering the state the franchise is already in today. And everyone should know by now, good CGI is usually not even noticable, and if so, doesn't take you out the film. The last film was bad all around. But that isn't the barometer all of CGI capability all the sudden.
Quote from: germanator2 on Dec 09, 2020, 10:23:35 AM
You wouldn't need flashy kicks or punches. As someone pointed out, the Predator isn't a dancer.
Not sure where "confident, purposeful attacks like punches" equates to "dancing", but that's not what I said.
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 09, 2020, 10:19:42 AM
How is that thread turned into discussion about how Predator should kick its victim ?
This is a thread about the upcoming movie, and people are talking about what they would like to see in it. This is how message boards usually function.
Quote from: Highland on Dec 09, 2020, 07:00:08 AM
I get the "martial arts" angle, but those arts are when you meet up with a somewhat equal playing field. A Predator doesn't give a shit if he's fighting Floyd Mayweather and Bruce Lee, he punches him....he's dead. It's like saying we should use martial arts on a Gorilla.
I'm confused entirely by this analogy. How is Predator punching prey like humans using martial arts on Gorilla?
-Predators don't Punch. They slap. That sucks.
-Humans are no match for Gorillas. A Gorilla can literally rip your arm out of its socket with minimal effort.
So whose supposed to be who in that analogy, and how does it relate to people like myself wanting to see Predators do something else in 2021 besides backhand slap characters on film?
Quote from: Sol on Dec 09, 2020, 01:53:36 PM-Humans are no match for Gorillas. A Gorilla can literally rip your arm out of its socket with minimal effort.
And Predators have been shown literally ripping people in two with their bare hands.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 09, 2020, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 09, 2020, 01:53:36 PM-Humans are no match for Gorillas. A Gorilla can literally rip your arm out of its socket with minimal effort.
And Predators have been shown literally ripping people in two with their bare hands.
So what does humans (weaker) doing martial arts against a Gorilla (stronger), have to do with Predators (stronger) doing martial arts against humans (weaker)?
What I'm saying is a predator using some kind of fighting technique against a human is like me lining up against my 7 year old boy. It....just doesn't seem necessary. I could dig some techniques with say a spear though.
Also the first two Predators have aged better ( creature wise) than anything since in my opinion.
I could dig some cool movement / jumps for mobility purposes....but really nothing has been "cooler" than just KPH,s body work inside the suits.
Thatll probably trump any CGI. Forever. I did like the Scar flip thing on the queen, seemed kinda situational though.
Quote from: Highland on Dec 09, 2020, 02:53:59 PM
What I'm saying is a predator using some kind of fighting technique against a human is like me lining up against my 7 year old boy. It....just doesn't seem necessary. I could dig some techniques with say a spear though.
This would make sense, if they didn't come with a load of weaponry that far outclasses what Humans are capable of fighting against, each time. It's odd that you draw the line at "punching", and not shoulder mounted laser canons, or light bending camouflaging technology, or bladed weapons so strong nothing can defend against it, etc.
Quote from: Highland on Dec 09, 2020, 02:53:59 PM
Also the first two Predators have aged better ( creature wise) than anything since in my opinion.
Absolutely. But that's because the latter released films were bad. Not because of the use of newer tech. What they did, newer FX techniques or not, was objectively bad work comparitively to other film projects. If ILM or someone did the CGI work, or Stan Winston studios did the practical effects for the films post Predator 2, we would be having a slightly different conversation I would think.
Quote from: Highland on Dec 09, 2020, 02:53:59 PM
I could dig some cool movement / jumps for mobility purposes....but really nothing has been "cooler" than just KPH,s body work inside the suits.
Thatll probably trump any CGI. Forever. I did like the Scar flip thing on the queen, seemed kinda situational though.
I'm not calling for CGI to replace costume work. I hope you didn't see that in my posts. I definitely did not say that or insinuate it.
The whole point is Predator is walking power house. Armed or not, you can`t just beat him with strenght. That was very strongly pointed out in first film and unless you are an ancient super weapon hellish monster like Alien, you won`t stand a chance. Still, Celtic was beating the shit out of Grind in close combat! He was close to win! Pred vs Pred? I guess without weapon it would look more like MMA fight then some kung-fu fantasy and the fight from Predators was something like that.
In fact I agree with light CG used at the right time and for the right amount, doesn't seem impossible to do without being too noticeable. It's still beyond me how in the latest movie they f**ked up so bad in this area with 88M budget...
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 09, 2020, 05:35:39 PM
In fact I agree with light CG used at the right time and for the right amount, doesn't seem impossible to do without being too noticeable. It's still beyond me how in the latest movie they f**ked up so bad in this area with 88M budget...
It had something to do with reshooting like 1/3 of the movie :D
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 09, 2020, 05:35:39 PM
In fact I agree with light CG used at the right time and for the right amount, doesn't seem impossible to do without being too noticeable. It's still beyond me how in the latest movie they f**ked up so bad in this area with 88M budget...
Horrible mismanagement, there. We were all rooting for Shane Black's project, and it ended up being the worst of the films IMO. Huge budget, and I can't fathom where it all went.
Quote from: Master on Dec 09, 2020, 05:52:11 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 09, 2020, 05:35:39 PM
In fact I agree with light CG used at the right time and for the right amount, doesn't seem impossible to do without being too noticeable. It's still beyond me how in the latest movie they f**ked up so bad in this area with 88M budget...
It had something to do with reshooting like 1/3 of the movie :D
Probably but the scenes that aren't reshooted are just as bad.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 09, 2020, 05:59:14 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 09, 2020, 05:35:39 PM
In fact I agree with light CG used at the right time and for the right amount, doesn't seem impossible to do without being too noticeable. It's still beyond me how in the latest movie they f**ked up so bad in this area with 88M budget...
Horrible mismanagement, there. We were all rooting for Shane Black's project, and it ended up being the worst of the films IMO. Huge budget, and I can't fathom where it all went.
Yes we were. Honestly I find it still more enjoyable than the AVP's and Predators though :D
Quote from: Sol on Dec 09, 2020, 02:19:13 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 09, 2020, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 09, 2020, 01:53:36 PM-Humans are no match for Gorillas. A Gorilla can literally rip your arm out of its socket with minimal effort.
And Predators have been shown literally ripping people in two with their bare hands.
So what does humans (weaker) doing martial arts against a Gorilla (stronger), have to do with Predators (stronger) doing martial arts against humans (weaker)?
You basically just answered why martial arts would look silly by the Predator against humans. Predators stand a good 7ft or more over humans, and yeah, are stronger in every way. One kick or punch will probably send em across the room. It just becomes cheesy. That whole backhand/slap by the Jungle Predator was basically just to taunt Dutch that he's superior in every way to him, so that's why it works.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 09, 2020, 03:01:21 PM
Quote from: Highland on Dec 09, 2020, 02:53:59 PM
What I'm saying is a predator using some kind of fighting technique against a human is like me lining up against my 7 year old boy. It....just doesn't seem necessary. I could dig some techniques with say a spear though.
This would make sense, if they didn't come with a load of weaponry that far outclasses what Humans are capable of fighting against, each time. It's odd that you draw the line at "punching", and not shoulder mounted laser canons, or light bending camouflaging technology, or bladed weapons so strong nothing can defend against it, etc.
Quote from: Highland on Dec 09, 2020, 02:53:59 PM
Also the first two Predators have aged better ( creature wise) than anything since in my opinion.
Absolutely. But that's because the latter released films were bad. Not because of the use of newer tech. What they did, newer FX techniques or not, was objectively bad work comparitively to other film projects. If ILM or someone did the CGI work, or Stan Winston studios did the practical effects for the films post Predator 2, we would be having a slightly different conversation I would think.
Quote from: Highland on Dec 09, 2020, 02:53:59 PM
I could dig some cool movement / jumps for mobility purposes....but really nothing has been "cooler" than just KPH,s body work inside the suits.
Thatll probably trump any CGI. Forever. I did like the Scar flip thing on the queen, seemed kinda situational though.
I'm not calling for CGI to replace costume work. I hope you didn't see that in my posts. I definitely did not say that or insinuate it.
I mean human hunters don't learn Kung Fu if they lose their Gun when hunting a wild animal.
The fighting style only really makes sense if we see a Predator fight another Predator.
While I don't think the effects are bad in the new films, the fighting choreography is pretty lacking. The Predator 2 meat locker scene still king there for me.
I'm just hoping for two things - Good story , Good suit/Hero Predator design.
Quote from: germanator2 on Dec 09, 2020, 10:56:18 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 09, 2020, 02:19:13 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 09, 2020, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 09, 2020, 01:53:36 PM-Humans are no match for Gorillas. A Gorilla can literally rip your arm out of its socket with minimal effort.
And Predators have been shown literally ripping people in two with their bare hands.
So what does humans (weaker) doing martial arts against a Gorilla (stronger), have to do with Predators (stronger) doing martial arts against humans (weaker)?
You basically just answered why martial arts would look silly by the Predator against humans. Predators stand a good 7ft or more over humans, and yeah, are stronger in every way. One kick or punch will probably send em across the room. It just becomes cheesy. That whole backhand/slap by the Jungle Predator was basically just to taunt Dutch that he's superior in every way to him, so that's why it works.
Not really. The whole Gorilla analogy doesn't make a lick of sense with regards to what I'm saying. But I digress.
Humans get sent across across the room from slaps and tackles anyway. My idea is that instead of the 30 year old slap, I'd (and MANY other people) want to see a competent movie monster actually make purposely, strong looking physical attacks. We are approaching the the 7th film featuring these creatures, and I'm personally no longer contempt with repeating what we have already seen over and over again.
It's very simple for me. And it's not just fight scenes. They need to stop trying to recreate the first film, too. That horse has been beaten to death, and they have thus far failed to capture the spirit of that film. So instead of trying to ape McTiernan's original film for the umpteenth time, let's do something just and powerful, before we run this franchise all the way into the ground.
I'd be happy to see one really throwing its weight around and fighting with strong, precise looking blows.
But no ninja shit. They're big, heavy monsters, not small humans.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 10, 2020, 01:03:37 AM
I'd be happy to see one really throwing its weight around and fighting with strong, precise looking blows.
But no ninja shit. They're big, heavy monsters, not small humans.
That's it. He gets it.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 10, 2020, 12:42:23 AM
Quote from: germanator2 on Dec 09, 2020, 10:56:18 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 09, 2020, 02:19:13 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 09, 2020, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 09, 2020, 01:53:36 PM-Humans are no match for Gorillas. A Gorilla can literally rip your arm out of its socket with minimal effort.
And Predators have been shown literally ripping people in two with their bare hands.
So what does humans (weaker) doing martial arts against a Gorilla (stronger), have to do with Predators (stronger) doing martial arts against humans (weaker)?
You basically just answered why martial arts would look silly by the Predator against humans. Predators stand a good 7ft or more over humans, and yeah, are stronger in every way. One kick or punch will probably send em across the room. It just becomes cheesy. That whole backhand/slap by the Jungle Predator was basically just to taunt Dutch that he's superior in every way to him, so that's why it works.
Not really. The whole Gorilla analogy doesn't make a lick of sense with regards to what I'm saying. But I digress.
Humans get sent across across the room from slaps and tackles anyway. My idea is that instead of the 30 year old slap, I'd (and MANY other people) want to see a competent movie monster actually make purposely, strong looking physical attacks. We are approaching the the 7th film featuring these creatures, and I'm personally no longer contempt with repeating what we have already seen over and over again.
It's very simple for me. And it's not just fight scenes. They need to stop trying to recreate the first film, too. That horse has been beaten to death, and they have thus far failed to capture the spirit of that film. So instead of trying to ape McTiernan's original film for the umpteenth time, let's do something just and powerful, before we run this franchise all the way into the ground.
Well, for starters, this franchise has already been run to the ground and quite frankly, took a nose dive off a cliff with it's latest entry. And as good as 10 Cloverfield Lane was, doesn't mean we should get another Predator film anyways. We entrusted Shane Black because he was in the original one and has written some amazing films, but of course, we saw the final product ... But also, you're never going to be able to top McTiernan's original, unless maybe he comes back. Otherwise, it's an amazing film that didn't deserve a sequel or even a franchise like what we have. It's works perfectly as a self contained story with very little about the Predator being revealed to maintain the suspense and horror about the creature. As much as I like Predator 2, I think it expanded a little too much on the lore and really demystifies what makes the Predator scary. I agree that we need something new, but story-wise, what they can do? Regardless of the setting, it's still going to be the same 10 little indian plot of characters being killed one-by-one. And the more you expand the lore of the Predator itself, such exploring martial arts and fighting styles, the more you continue to demystify the Predator and making it less scary. As cynical as it is to say, this is why I really don't think we need another one.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 10, 2020, 12:42:23 AM
Quote from: germanator2 on Dec 09, 2020, 10:56:18 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 09, 2020, 02:19:13 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 09, 2020, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 09, 2020, 01:53:36 PM-Humans are no match for Gorillas. A Gorilla can literally rip your arm out of its socket with minimal effort.
And Predators have been shown literally ripping people in two with their bare hands.
So what does humans (weaker) doing martial arts against a Gorilla (stronger), have to do with Predators (stronger) doing martial arts against humans (weaker)?
You basically just answered why martial arts would look silly by the Predator against humans. Predators stand a good 7ft or more over humans, and yeah, are stronger in every way. One kick or punch will probably send em across the room. It just becomes cheesy. That whole backhand/slap by the Jungle Predator was basically just to taunt Dutch that he's superior in every way to him, so that's why it works.
Not really. The whole Gorilla analogy doesn't make a lick of sense with regards to what I'm saying. But I digress.
Humans get sent across across the room from slaps and tackles anyway. My idea is that instead of the 30 year old slap, I'd (and MANY other people) want to see a competent movie monster actually make purposely, strong looking physical attacks. We are approaching the the 7th film featuring these creatures, and I'm personally no longer contempt with repeating what we have already seen over and over again.
It's very simple for me. And it's not just fight scenes. They need to stop trying to recreate the first film, too. That horse has been beaten to death, and they have thus far failed to capture the spirit of that film. So instead of trying to ape McTiernan's original film for the umpteenth time, let's do something just and powerful, before we run this franchise all the way into the ground.
I don't think that's going to make a lick of difference personally, but maybe some folk want that *shrugs . It's not like the predator is Godzilla. Arnie swats a stick , he blocks the stick and near on takes his head off. You're supposed to get the impression that the Predator is so much stronger than a human it's quite literally pointless to fight it.....unless you come up with a clever plan.
I'd imagine that might even be a plot point. The predator just chewing up the best male warriors until the female hero comes up with a better plan.
Quote from: Highland on Dec 10, 2020, 02:57:06 AM
I don't think that's going to make a lick of difference personally, but maybe some folk want that *shrugs . It's not like the predator is Godzilla. Arnie swats a stick , he blocks the stick and near on takes his head off. You're supposed to get the impression that the Predator is so much stronger than a human it's quite literally pointless to fight it.....unless you come up with a clever plan.
I'd imagine that might even be a plot point. The predator just chewing up the best male warriors until the female hero comes up with a better plan.
Right. The name of the game is one of cunning, not direct brute strength. I'm hoping with this movie, we'll see a good twist that gives the humans a leg up, something other than mud/teamups/etc.
I'm so thankful they're not picking up where Shane left off :o
Some of you are missing the point. But I'm not too pressed to keep going in circles here. Eventually, every Predator film ends with the Predator(s) trading blows with the lead. When they do, I don't want to see another 10 minute sequence of space pimp slaps.
Quote from: Wysps on Dec 10, 2020, 03:27:08 AM
Quote from: Highland on Dec 10, 2020, 02:57:06 AM
I don't think that's going to make a lick of difference personally, but maybe some folk want that *shrugs . It's not like the predator is Godzilla. Arnie swats a stick , he blocks the stick and near on takes his head off. You're supposed to get the impression that the Predator is so much stronger than a human it's quite literally pointless to fight it.....unless you come up with a clever plan.
I'd imagine that might even be a plot point. The predator just chewing up the best male warriors until the female hero comes up with a better plan.
Right. The name of the game is one of cunning, not direct brute strength. I'm hoping with this movie, we'll see a good twist that gives the humans a leg up, something other than mud/teamups/etc.
I'm so thankful they're not picking up where Shane left off :o
Something I always thought would be a good idea ( and I'm unsure if this has been done in alternate media), is the idea of two Predators ( Perhaps even brothers if we want to add spice) working together and the Hero trying to figure that out. A little twist in the tale.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 10, 2020, 03:37:30 AM
Some of you are missing the point. But I'm not too pressed to keep going in circles here. Eventually, every Predator film ends with the Predator(s) trading blows with the lead. When they do, I don't want to see another 10 minute sequence of space pimp slaps.
I think maybe the Falconer fight is giving you bad dreams lol , the original Predator movies are perfect for me.
I get what he means with the backhands, but I don't have a problem with it.
Quote from: Highland on Dec 10, 2020, 03:38:04 AM
I think maybe the Falconer fight is giving you bad dreams lol , the original Predator movies are perfect for me.
Haha. Like many a sequence of these films, so much wasted potential. There's an alternate timelime where this entire franchise became one of the defacto Sci-Fi franchises, mentioned in the ranks of Star Wars and the like, instead of one really good film, or two, and a bunch of middling sequels.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 10, 2020, 03:42:04 AM
Quote from: Highland on Dec 10, 2020, 03:38:04 AM
I think maybe the Falconer fight is giving you bad dreams lol , the original Predator movies are perfect for me.
Haha. Like many a sequence of these films, so much wasted potential. There's an alternate timelime where this entire franchise became one of the defacto Sci-Fi franchises, mentioned in the ranks of Star Wars and the like, instead of one really good film, or two, and a bunch of middling sequels.
AVP really damaged that. Then AVPR burried us, then we somehow got back out just as The Predator shot us into another Galaxy.
We still here though, god knows how!
Quote from: HighlandWe still here though, god knows how!
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The active userbase of this site's a pitance compared to the past.
The good old days when users were excited by Requiem. I'm sure some of those veterans from the ancient canon wars are among us right now.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 10, 2020, 05:50:43 AM
The good old days when users were excited by Requiem. I'm sure some of those veterans from the ancient canon wars are among us right now.
More than you think, although it was mostly AvPNews/GG for me.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 10, 2020, 05:58:31 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 10, 2020, 05:50:43 AM
The good old days when users were excited by Requiem. I'm sure some of those veterans from the ancient canon wars are among us right now.
More than you think, although it was mostly AvPNews/GG for me.
You are an Old One too?! :o
Don't worry as soon as the design for the Predators Mandibles are released, this place will go off.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 10, 2020, 06:07:29 AM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 10, 2020, 05:58:31 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 10, 2020, 05:50:43 AM
The good old days when users were excited by Requiem. I'm sure some of those veterans from the ancient canon wars are among us right now.
More than you think, although it was mostly AvPNews/GG for me.
You are an Old One too?! :o
Stupid Forum represent.
Quote from: Highland on Dec 10, 2020, 06:25:06 AM
Don't worry as soon as the design for the Predators Mandibles are released, this place will go off.
Yeah, when the trailers for this or whatever the Alien thing the staff won't tell us about is, drop, we'll see a good spike.
ADI FTW
"no"
ADI or bust
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 10, 2020, 07:15:30 AM
Quote from: Highland on Dec 10, 2020, 06:25:06 AM
Don't worry as soon as the design for the Predators Mandibles are released, this place will go off.
Yeah, when the trailers for this or whatever the Alien thing the staff won't tell us about is, drop, we'll see a good spike.
It always ebbs and flows depending on what projects are coming out. The games and films usually generate a good buzz.
Would be cool to see other people for the creature design, ADI had their shots. Legacy I would dig very much.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 10, 2020, 12:42:23 AM
Quote from: germanator2 on Dec 09, 2020, 10:56:18 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 09, 2020, 02:19:13 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 09, 2020, 02:12:30 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 09, 2020, 01:53:36 PM-Humans are no match for Gorillas. A Gorilla can literally rip your arm out of its socket with minimal effort.
And Predators have been shown literally ripping people in two with their bare hands.
So what does humans (weaker) doing martial arts against a Gorilla (stronger), have to do with Predators (stronger) doing martial arts against humans (weaker)?
You basically just answered why martial arts would look silly by the Predator against humans. Predators stand a good 7ft or more over humans, and yeah, are stronger in every way. One kick or punch will probably send em across the room. It just becomes cheesy. That whole backhand/slap by the Jungle Predator was basically just to taunt Dutch that he's superior in every way to him, so that's why it works.
Not really. The whole Gorilla analogy doesn't make a lick of sense with regards to what I'm saying. But I digress.
Humans get sent across across the room from slaps and tackles anyway. My idea is that instead of the 30 year old slap, I'd (and MANY other people) want to see a competent movie monster actually make purposely, strong looking physical attacks. We are approaching the the 7th film featuring these creatures, and I'm personally no longer contempt with repeating what we have already seen over and over again.
It's very simple for me. And it's not just fight scenes. They need to stop trying to recreate the first film, too. That horse has been beaten to death, and they have thus far failed to capture the spirit of that film. So instead of trying to ape McTiernan's original film for the umpteenth time, let's do something just and powerful, before we run this franchise all the way into the ground.
See. It is always the same...
Every time new film is announced there is a guy who pretends to know what is the best for the franchise and that old way should be dropped, cause they are old and new is cool and all. It`s not true and constant need to outstand earlier films and reinvent the franchise gave us such pieces of marvel as AvP-R and TheP.
...There is no stoppi`n what can`t be stopped, nor killi`n what can`t be killed...
Insted, what really should be done is focusing on what first two films did that they work so well. Solid scrpit and good costumes are repeted every so often, but what really is the core of first two is that they are basiclly genere films with Predator in them. It dosen`t really matter if it`s about Indians and Collonists, Samurai and Ronin or Soldiers and Terrorists/Freedom Fighters/ Guerillas, as long as it`s established conflict with Predator dropped into the mix, we should be fine (See what I did here :P). Just look at Batman vs. Predator. It`s standard Batman story with Predator is it and it`s excellent, on pair with first two films! So.
...Prepare Yourself!
Because after few years, when Predator8 is produced, there`ll be another guy that will say kung-fu predator is gunk and what we really need are lasers from eyes, becuse plasmacaster is 35 year old and we need new!
PS.
My not attacking you SOL, just present the example.
Quote from: Master on Dec 10, 2020, 11:00:15 AM
See. It is always the same...
Every time new film is announced there is a guy who pretends to know what is the best for the franchise and that old way should be dropped, cause they are old and new is cool and all. It`s not true and constant need to outstand earlier films and reinvent the franchise gave us such pieces of marvel as AvP-R and TheP.
My not attacking you SOL, just present the example.
This is all over the place. And also, with how that started I don't know how you wouldn't expect someone to not take offense to that. I'll just say this, I've not only been a fan of these films most of my 30+ years of life, I've been part of this forum for over a decade. I don't post often, but with such sporadic project release times, I wouldn't expect too many people always active on a subject specific message board. It makes sense that activity spikes with the fandom when activity spikes with the IP.
Quote from: Master on Dec 10, 2020, 11:00:15 AM
Because after few years, when Predator8 is produced, there`ll be another guy that will say kung-fu predator is gunk and what we really need are lasers from eyes, becuse plasmacaster is 35 year old and we need new!
Again, these weird leaps in logic. I want this intergalactic space hunter to throw a real punch, and that is in someway the equivalent of laser eyes to you. Neat.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 10, 2020, 05:50:43 AM
The good old days when users were excited by Requiem. I'm sure some of those veterans from the ancient canon wars are among us right now.
I joined up in 2009, and even by that point I hadn't seen AVPR yet. :D
Watched it one year later, when it debuted on cable. And I never bothered with it again after that.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 10, 2020, 02:15:45 PM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Dec 10, 2020, 05:50:43 AM
The good old days when users were excited by Requiem. I'm sure some of those veterans from the ancient canon wars are among us right now.
I joined up in 2009, and even by that point I hadn't seen AVPR yet. :D
Watched it one year later, when it debuted on cable. And I never bothered with it again after that.
I showed up a year later for the Prometheus hype, I think you replied to my first ever post.
I joined pre - AVP, when I believed everything that Paul Anderson was saying sounded cool.
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 10, 2020, 08:17:23 AM
ADI or bust
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Been here since 2007. I'm sure talking about the games is what brought me here originally.
On subject, I think it's time to let another team tackle the costume work and special effects. I like ADI, but they always leave something to be desired with their work on Predator, with me.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 10, 2020, 04:45:44 PM
Been here since 2007. I'm sure talking about the games is what brought me here originally.
On subject, I think it's time to let another team tackle the costume work and special effects. I like ADI, but they always leave something to be desired with their work on Predator, with me.
Agreed. ADI had three shots. They made their stamp. That's more than any FX house can ask for. Now it's time to switch and see if another can do better. :)
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 10, 2020, 04:44:26 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 10, 2020, 08:17:23 AM
ADI or bust
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After listening to the last podcast I agree that you're very good at picking the most terrible shots
And for the recod, I was joking. I don't give a f**k who does Predator suits in the next movie. But I don't have that much of a problem with ADI work
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 10, 2020, 07:57:07 PM
After listening to the last podcast I agree that you're very good at picking the most terrible shots
It's easy when there's no good ones.
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 10, 2020, 07:57:07 PM
After listening to the last podcast I agree that you're very good at picking the most terrible shots
The pic above was supposed to be a humorous reaction meme to your comment. :)
And in regards to "picking the most terrible shots", often I'm using screenshots or gifs direct from the film. There is no act of malice here trying to catch them in a quick bad angle so I can disguise well crafted Predators as, in my opinion, disappointingly designed Predators. Thats why I gently pushed back on that in the podcast with RidgeTop.
(https://i.ibb.co/qWKT4jj/Screenshot-20190104-093524.png)
(https://hips.hearstapps.com/digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/18/26/1530019086-the-predator-trailer-2-reveal.gif)
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If these are picking deliberately terrible shots, I'm not certain what am I supposed to use to describe my personal issues with them. :)
I honestly can't understand the defense of these effects. Fugitive was the best of the ADI predators and he's still a million miles from the quality of City and Jungle Hunter.
No offense to ADI but they just can't get the predators right.
I actually enjoy AvP but when Scars mask comes off its just so very cringeworthy.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 10, 2020, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 10, 2020, 11:00:15 AM
See. It is always the same...
Every time new film is announced there is a guy who pretends to know what is the best for the franchise and that old way should be dropped, cause they are old and new is cool and all. It`s not true and constant need to outstand earlier films and reinvent the franchise gave us such pieces of marvel as AvP-R and TheP.
My not attacking you SOL, just present the example.
This is all over the place. And also, with how that started I don't know how you wouldn't expect someone to not take offense to that. I'll just say this, I've not only been a fan of these films most of my 30+ years of life, I've been part of this forum for over a decade. I don't post often, but with such sporadic project release times, I wouldn't expect too many people always active on a subject specific message board. It makes sense that activity spikes with the fandom when activity spikes with the IP.
Quote from: Master on Dec 10, 2020, 11:00:15 AM
Because after few years, when Predator8 is produced, there`ll be another guy that will say kung-fu predator is gunk and what we really need are lasers from eyes, becuse plasmacaster is 35 year old and we need new!
Again, these weird leaps in logic. I want this intergalactic space hunter to throw a real punch, and that is in someway the equivalent of laser eyes to you. Neat.
Once again It's not personal and not directly focused at you. If I had anyone specific in mind, it would probably be BishopShouldGo and the other guy nick I don't remember who, after horrid script for TheP leaked and started stinking, were claiming that this is the best script ever and what Predator franchise desperately needs. When I hear that things from ealier films are so old and desperately needs updating, I start seeing parallels.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 10, 2020, 09:54:23 PM
I honestly can't understand the defense of these effects. Fugitive was the best of the ADI predators and he's still a million miles from the quality of City and Jungle Hunter.
No offense to ADI but they just can't get the predators right.
I actually enjoy AvP but when Scars mask comes off its just so very cringeworthy.
Word. They've had enough opportunities imo, and time. After all these years, if they're still tweaking and producing Predators so far from the original, then the mantle may as well be passed on to another studio for their take.
Is Stan Winston's Studio still working, or they are running only a school now?
It's interesting how everyone who made Scar Predator merchandise has been doing their best try and improve upon his design. The original work on screen is atrocious.
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 10, 2020, 09:00:47 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 10, 2020, 07:57:07 PM
After listening to the last podcast I agree that you're very good at picking the most terrible shots
The pic above was supposed to be a humorous reaction meme to your comment. :)
And in regards to "picking the most terrible shots", often I'm using screenshots or gifs direct from the film. There is no act of malice here trying to catch them in a quick bad angle so I can disguise well crafted Predators as, in my opinion, disappointingly designed Predators. Thats why I gently pushed back on that in the podcast with RidgeTop.
(https://i.ibb.co/qWKT4jj/Screenshot-20190104-093524.png)
https://hips.hearstapps.com/digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/18/26/1530019086-the-predator-trailer-2-reveal.gif
(https://i.ibb.co/XCbzWxy/Scar2-1-1.png)
https://i.gifer.com/9ufG.gif
If these are picking deliberately terrible shots, I'm not certain what am I supposed to use to describe my personal issues with them. :)
Well, I guess I have lower standarts, because I don't find any of these terrible
Flopy skin and subpair mandible placement and movement is very noticable. Especially when it comes to Scar. Fugitive I dig. Nowhere near first two but quite good nonetheless, on pair with KNB I'd say .
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 11, 2020, 06:00:08 AM
Well, I guess I have lower standarts, because I don't find any of these terrible
You are allowed to like what you like, screw the haters.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 10, 2020, 09:00:47 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/qWKT4jj/Screenshot-20190104-093524.png)
https://hips.hearstapps.com/digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/18/26/1530019086-the-predator-trailer-2-reveal.gif
(https://i.ibb.co/XCbzWxy/Scar2-1-1.png)
https://i.gifer.com/9ufG.gif
If these are picking deliberately terrible shots, I'm not certain what am I supposed to use to describe my personal issues with them. :)
As someone who has complained about Scar plenty of times, aside from that skin flap, I'm actually finding he looks good here. Sure, he doesn't have the X for the resting here, but that's all subjective. I mean, since it's been pointed out to me, I do miss the X too, but not enough to really go off on these. The skin flaps are the only aspects of these designs that I really dislike.
Same for Fugitive. That damn flap. A bit of unalignment with the positioning of the mandibles (humans don't really have perfect symmetry in their faces though so...) and missing that X...but otherwise, I like it. Proper moisture to the skin (I'd always remembered AvP's Predator not really having that moist looking skin, but might just be the set photography that I always remember) and for me, that's what matters most in the look of them. It seems silly, but it's just what I want. Skin that looks real, and they do there.
That said, I wholly prefer the Predators with masks on, not off.
I'm not going to complain if someone different gets a shot though. I'm not going to complain if KNB or ADI get another shot. Personally, I'd quite like to see whichever company Steve Wang works for take it on again. If I'm remembering right, he was really the one who actually made the OG Predator what it was, under Stan's guidance of course, but mostly Steve?
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2020, 11:29:40 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 10, 2020, 09:00:47 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/qWKT4jj/Screenshot-20190104-093524.png)
https://hips.hearstapps.com/digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/18/26/1530019086-the-predator-trailer-2-reveal.gif
(https://i.ibb.co/XCbzWxy/Scar2-1-1.png)
https://i.gifer.com/9ufG.gif
If these are picking deliberately terrible shots, I'm not certain what am I supposed to use to describe my personal issues with them. :)
As someone who has complained about Scar plenty of times, aside from that skin flap, I'm actually finding he looks good here. Sure, he doesn't have the X for the resting here, but that's all subjective. I mean, since it's been pointed out to me, I do miss the X too, but not enough to really go off on these. The skin flaps are the only aspects of these designs that I really dislike.
Same for Fugitive. That damn flap. A bit of unalignment with the positioning of the mandibles (humans don't really have perfect symmetry in their faces though so...) and missing that X...but otherwise, I like it. Proper moisture to the skin (I'd always remembered AvP's Predator not really having that moist looking skin, but might just be the set photography that I always remember) and for me, that's what matters most in the look of them. It seems silly, but it's just what I want. Skin that looks real, and they do there.
That said, I wholly prefer the Predators with masks on, not off.
I'm not going to complain if someone different gets a shot though. I'm not going to complain if KNB or ADI get another shot. Personally, I'd quite like to see whichever company Steve Wang works for take it on again. If I'm remembering right, he was really the one who actually made the OG Predator what it was, under Stan's guidance of course, but mostly Steve?
In regards to proportion in relation from head to body, Scar was fine and ADI did a good job keeping it proportioned. But somewhere in The Predator their heads became inflated. Not just The Fugitive but the cut Emissary Predators too, resulting in a no-neck bobble-headed appearance. So weird. I do know a lot of that was accentuated by that low-hanging broken jaw.
Interesting perspective in regards to the moisture on the skin!
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 10, 2020, 09:54:23 PM
I honestly can't understand the defense of these effects. Fugitive was the best of the ADI predators and he's still a million miles from the quality of City and Jungle Hunter.
No offense to ADI but they just can't get the predators right.
I actually enjoy AvP but when Scars mask comes off its just so very cringeworthy.
I never got it too but hey, it's all subjective and I respect anyone's likes or dislikes. But I think? anyone I've corresponded with who likes the ADI heads has never said it rivals Stan's Predators. Not a one. So at least there's comfort in that. ;D
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 11, 2020, 06:00:08 AM
Well, I guess I have lower standarts, because I don't find any of these terrible
No brother. No one said that! Ultimately, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You don't think I have lower standards because I like a certain loathed movie, do you?
(https://i.ibb.co/h2tcRPQ/Screenshot-20201211-072147-Chrome.jpg)
Do you??
;);D
Quote from: SiL on Dec 11, 2020, 08:39:06 AM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 11, 2020, 06:00:08 AM
Well, I guess I have lower standarts, because I don't find any of these terrible
You are allowed to like what you like, screw the haters.
I agree with your first part, just not the grouping opinions second part into labels of haters or lovers and telling them to go screw. Twitter loves that though! :laugh:
We should all feel safe to express our opinions and views on the franchise without attacks on one another's person, especially here. It's ok to want changes. And it's also ok to be fine with the way everything is now.
Either way, we all should be celebrating the announcement of a new project. Disney clearly sees massive potential for this franchise's future, with having Marvel work on new comic books, and Twentieth Century work on a new film project. At least for now, it's future is secured. This combined with the still supported Hunting Grounds game, that saw the return of Arnold Schwarzenegger as Dutch, this is a fantastic time to be a fan of the Predator franchise.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2020, 11:29:40 AM
As someone who has complained about Scar plenty of times, aside from that skin flap, I'm actually finding he looks good here. Sure, he doesn't have the X for the resting here, but that's all subjective. I mean, since it's been pointed out to me, I do miss the X too, but not enough to really go off on these. The skin flaps are the only aspects of these designs that I really dislike.
Same for Fugitive. That damn flap. A bit of unalignment with the positioning of the mandibles (humans don't really have perfect symmetry in their faces though so...) and missing that X...but otherwise, I like it. Proper moisture to the skin (I'd always remembered AvP's Predator not really having that moist looking skin, but might just be the set photography that I always remember) and for me, that's what matters most in the look of them. It seems silly, but it's just what I want. Skin that looks real, and they do there.
That said, I wholly prefer the Predators with masks on, not off.
I love predator masks, but prefere unmasked face with closed mouth. Then they look like inteligent living, breathing creature, not some mindless monster. They can actually close mandibles in two different ways in X and T shape.
X:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predator/bluray/pbluray613.jpg)
T:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predator/bluray/pbluray603.jpg)
About the lack of moisture on Scar and AvP Elder I always explained it by freezing temperatures of night at Bovotoya.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 11, 2020, 03:13:27 PM
Either way, we all should be celebrating the announcement of a new project. Disney clearly sees massive potential for this franchise's future, with having Marvel work on new comic books, and Twentieth Century work on a new film project. At least for now, it's future is secured. This combined with the still supported Hunting Grounds game, that saw the return of Arnold Schwarzenegger as Dutch, this is a fantastic time to be a fan of the Predator franchise.
I totally agree with that.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/66/19/08/661908df01dd3654710c7f3bc87c3a4a.gif)
It almost feels like in 2009 when both Predator sequel and Alien prequel was announced, truly great time to be alive in.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 11, 2020, 03:13:27 PM
We should all feel safe to express our opinions and views on the franchise without attacks on one another's person, especially here. It's ok to want changes. And it's also ok to be fine with the way everything is now.
Either way, we all should be celebrating the announcement of a new project. Disney clearly sees massive potential for this franchise's future, with having Marvel work on new comic books, and Twentieth Century work on a new film project. At least for now, it's future is secured. This combined with the still supported Hunting Grounds game, that saw the return of Arnold Schwarzenegger as Dutch, this is a fantastic time to be a fan of the Predator franchise.
Hear! Hear!
While I'm still feeling sad and disappointed that covid19 resulted in the cancellation of this bad boy... :'(
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1556/9595/products/148064-hr_1024x.jpg?v=1584808207)
... it's still been a tremendous year for Predator!
Quote from: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 04:04:40 PM
I love predator masks, but prefere unmasked face with closed mouth. Then they look like inteligent living, breathing creature, not some mindless monster. They can actually close mandibles in two different ways in X and T shape.
X
Glorious....(https://i.ibb.co/xjfhWjd/tumblr-nl7pj5-D1n-C1u1vwpho2-500-1.gif)
(https://i.ibb.co/kqpQkWZ/tumblr-or8kgl-RR9l1rp0vkjo1-500.gif)
That comic, and the last issues of Hunters III. At least we can finish the story with the TPB.
Quote from: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2020, 11:29:40 AM
As someone who has complained about Scar plenty of times, aside from that skin flap, I'm actually finding he looks good here. Sure, he doesn't have the X for the resting here, but that's all subjective. I mean, since it's been pointed out to me, I do miss the X too, but not enough to really go off on these. The skin flaps are the only aspects of these designs that I really dislike.
Same for Fugitive. That damn flap. A bit of unalignment with the positioning of the mandibles (humans don't really have perfect symmetry in their faces though so...) and missing that X...but otherwise, I like it. Proper moisture to the skin (I'd always remembered AvP's Predator not really having that moist looking skin, but might just be the set photography that I always remember) and for me, that's what matters most in the look of them. It seems silly, but it's just what I want. Skin that looks real, and they do there.
That said, I wholly prefer the Predators with masks on, not off.
I love predator masks, but prefere unmasked face with closed mouth. Then they look like inteligent living, breathing creature, not some mindless monster. They can actually close mandibles in two different ways in X and T shape.
X:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predator/bluray/pbluray613.jpg)
T:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predator/bluray/pbluray603.jpg)
About the lack of moisture on Scar and AvP Elder I always explained it by freezing temperatures of night at Bovotoya.
The mouth hanging agape does have a tendency to make them look empty upstairs.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 11, 2020, 03:13:27 PM
We should all feel safe to express our opinions and views on the franchise without attacks on one another's person, especially here. It's ok to want changes. And it's also ok to be fine with the way everything is now.
Either way, we all should be celebrating the announcement of a new project. Disney clearly sees massive potential for this franchise's future, with having Marvel work on new comic books, and Twentieth Century work on a new film project. At least for now, it's future is secured. This combined with the still supported Hunting Grounds game, that saw the return of Arnold Schwarzenegger as Dutch, this is a fantastic time to be a fan of the Predator franchise.
This. While the initial plot description is not grabbing my attention and the setting taking place in the past is not something I ever wanted in a Predator film, I'm happy that there is a future under Disney and that they are trying to bring another film to the table, in addition to the new printed material. We are also in the very early stages of the movie, not much to go off of and still so much time for things to develop.
Quote from: Wysps on Dec 11, 2020, 05:18:24 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Dec 11, 2020, 11:29:40 AM
As someone who has complained about Scar plenty of times, aside from that skin flap, I'm actually finding he looks good here. Sure, he doesn't have the X for the resting here, but that's all subjective. I mean, since it's been pointed out to me, I do miss the X too, but not enough to really go off on these. The skin flaps are the only aspects of these designs that I really dislike.
Same for Fugitive. That damn flap. A bit of unalignment with the positioning of the mandibles (humans don't really have perfect symmetry in their faces though so...) and missing that X...but otherwise, I like it. Proper moisture to the skin (I'd always remembered AvP's Predator not really having that moist looking skin, but might just be the set photography that I always remember) and for me, that's what matters most in the look of them. It seems silly, but it's just what I want. Skin that looks real, and they do there.
That said, I wholly prefer the Predators with masks on, not off.
I love predator masks, but prefere unmasked face with closed mouth. Then they look like inteligent living, breathing creature, not some mindless monster. They can actually close mandibles in two different ways in X and T shape.
X:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predator/bluray/pbluray613.jpg)
T:
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/gallery/albums/movies/predator/bluray/pbluray603.jpg)
About the lack of moisture on Scar and AvP Elder I always explained it by freezing temperatures of night at Bovotoya.
The mouth hanging agape does have a tendency to make them look empty upstairs.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa??
(https://i.imgur.com/q5OQZHr.png)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 01:42:32 PM
I agree with your first part, just not the grouping opinions second part into labels of haters or lovers and telling them to go screw. Twitter loves that though! :laugh:
I was being facetious.
Quote from: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 08:33:29 PM
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa??
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/0/03/Crucified_Predator.png/revision/latest?cb=20160331083922
You can't direct link to images from fandom/wiki sites. You can use sites like Imgur however to host your images. It's free.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 11, 2020, 09:30:20 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 08:33:29 PM
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa??
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/0/03/Crucified_Predator.png/revision/latest?cb=20160331083922
You can't direct link to images from fandom/wiki sites. You can use sites like Imgur however to host your images. It's free.
Something`s not working?
Quote from: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 10:36:29 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 11, 2020, 09:30:20 PM
Quote from: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 08:33:29 PM
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa??
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/0/03/Crucified_Predator.png/revision/latest?cb=20160331083922
You can't direct link to images from fandom/wiki sites. You can use sites like Imgur however to host your images. It's free.
Something`s not working?
Yea, no image is showing. They don't allow hotlinking from their sites.
Fixed. I only noticed it when logged in one more time.
Quote from: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 11:37:41 PM
Fixed. I only noticed it when logged in one more time.
Yep, I can see it now. I'm always stumped how studios have yet to figure out how to do that mouth, correctly.
Well the mask was ok. Mandibles also worked properly. What wasn`t working is the mouth which couldn`t do any movement and stayed wide open the whole movie.
Don't forget those damn cheeks lol not as bad as ADI but that bit of skin between mandibles has been all wrong in everything released after P2.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 12, 2020, 12:02:30 AM
Don't forget those damn cheeks lol not as bad as ADI but that bit of skin between mandibles has been all wrong in everything released after P2.
Yea. I don't quite understand what's going on behind the scenes here, but it's just been really strange. I mean, essentially 'Crucified Predator' was supposed to aesthetically be identical to Jungle Hunter, and it just doesn't quite get there. It's a decent attempt, but it misses in a few noticeable places.
(https://i.imgur.com/0QQUC58.png)
Quote from: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 11:56:10 PM
Well the mask was ok. Mandibles also worked properly. What wasn`t working is the mouth which couldn`t do any movement and stayed wide open the whole movie.
It moved, but for whatever reason, each film seems to think gaping wide open is the resting position of their mouths. As if people just walk around with their mouths open too or something.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 10, 2020, 10:11:38 AM
Would be cool to see other people for the creature design, ADI had their shots. Legacy I would dig very much.
I feel like when making a Terminator, Aliens, Predator or Jurassic Park/World film Legacy Effects should be the first group you call.
Quote from: Gilfryd on Dec 12, 2020, 02:08:19 AM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 10, 2020, 10:11:38 AM
Would be cool to see other people for the creature design, ADI had their shots. Legacy I would dig very much.
I feel like when making a Terminator, Aliens, Predator or Jurassic Park/World film Legacy Effects should be the first group you call.
Yes. Their work is incredible.
I hope they cast Wes Studi maybe as an elder. Great actor.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 10, 2020, 01:03:37 AM
I'd be happy to see one really throwing its weight around and fighting with strong, precise looking blows.
But no ninja shit. They're big, heavy monsters, not small humans.
Idk man, Concrete Jungle really sold me on how agile and nimble Predators are. I just want them to throw down like in Mortal Kombat or how Blade 2 does it with Blade vs Nomak, and not just slow face slaps with some haymakers thrown in. They're hunter-warriors that can live for hundreds of thousands of years with many battle hunting experience under their belt, not big and heavy suits worn by humans.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 12, 2020, 12:57:37 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 12, 2020, 12:02:30 AM
Don't forget those damn cheeks lol not as bad as ADI but that bit of skin between mandibles has been all wrong in everything released after P2.
Yea. I don't quite understand what's going on behind the scenes here, but it's just been really strange. I mean, essentially 'Crucified Predator' was supposed to aesthetically be identical to Jungle Hunter, and it just doesn't quite get there. It's a decent attempt, but it misses in a few noticeable places.
(https://i.imgur.com/0QQUC58.png)
Quote from: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 11:56:10 PM
Well the mask was ok. Mandibles also worked properly. What wasn`t working is the mouth which couldn`t do any movement and stayed wide open the whole movie.
It moved, but for whatever reason, each film seems to think gaping wide open is the resting position of their mouths. As if people just walk around with their mouths open too or something.
I think it doesn't need to be 100% identical. You can tell its super close to the original design and yet like us humans, it has its own unique facial shapes. Other than the excess skin on the mandibles, which I noticed every single Predator design always has for some reason, its fine.
On the rewatch look at never closing mouth of Classic. Mandibles are moving, but mouth is gaping. Oh and since Predators they don't have pressure cables attached to masks anymore. They just put it on and off like baseball cap.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 12, 2020, 04:52:04 AM
They're hunter-warriors that can live for hundreds of thousands of years
Excuse me, what the f**k?
Quote from: Sol on Dec 12, 2020, 12:57:37 AM
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 12, 2020, 12:02:30 AM
Don't forget those damn cheeks lol not as bad as ADI but that bit of skin between mandibles has been all wrong in everything released after P2.
Yea. I don't quite understand what's going on behind the scenes here, but it's just been really strange. I mean, essentially 'Crucified Predator' was supposed to aesthetically be identical to Jungle Hunter, and it just doesn't quite get there. It's a decent attempt, but it misses in a few noticeable places.
(https://i.imgur.com/0QQUC58.png)
Quote from: Master on Dec 11, 2020, 11:56:10 PM
Well the mask was ok. Mandibles also worked properly. What wasn`t working is the mouth which couldn`t do any movement and stayed wide open the whole movie.
It moved, but for whatever reason, each film seems to think gaping wide open is the resting position of their mouths. As if people just walk around with their mouths open too or something.
This ! I always thought something was wrong with that, you nailed it.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 12, 2020, 04:52:04 AM
I think it doesn't need to be 100% identical. You can tell its super close to the original design and yet like us humans, it has its own unique facial shapes. Other than the excess skin on the mandibles, which I noticed every single Predator design always has for some reason, its fine.
I agree that it doesn't have to be identical. But Crucified was
supposed to be identical. And the excess skin issue is only an issue post Predator 2, and should not be the norm. Only the ADI and KNB Preds have it. Even merchandise of the very same characters aims to correct this issue.
Quote from: Billiken on Dec 12, 2020, 04:25:26 AM
I hope they cast Wes Studi maybe as an elder. Great actor.
I agree, Raul Trujillo is great too. Both of them in the same movie would be cool.
Quote from: Sol on Dec 12, 2020, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 12, 2020, 04:52:04 AM
I think it doesn't need to be 100% identical. You can tell its super close to the original design and yet like us humans, it has its own unique facial shapes. Other than the excess skin on the mandibles, which I noticed every single Predator design always has for some reason, its fine.
I agree that it doesn't have to be identical. But Crucified was supposed to be identical. And the excess skin issue is only an issue post Predator 2, and should not be the norm. Only the ADI and KNB Preds have it. Even merchandise of the very same characters aims to correct this issue.
Agreed
They can certainly make predators look different, they did that perfectly in P2. Everything post that film just looks somewhat fake not different.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 12, 2020, 12:59:20 PM
Quote from: Sol on Dec 12, 2020, 12:23:16 PM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 12, 2020, 04:52:04 AM
I think it doesn't need to be 100% identical. You can tell its super close to the original design and yet like us humans, it has its own unique facial shapes. Other than the excess skin on the mandibles, which I noticed every single Predator design always has for some reason, its fine.
I agree that it doesn't have to be identical. But Crucified was supposed to be identical. And the excess skin issue is only an issue post Predator 2, and should not be the norm. Only the ADI and KNB Preds have it. Even merchandise of the very same characters aims to correct this issue.
Agreed
They can certainly make predators look different, they did that perfectly in P2. Everything post that film just looks somewhat fake not different.
Honestly, P2's city hunter was a little behind jungle hunter in terms of animatronics. A little overanimated I'd say, with more close up shots that didn't help getting unnoticed. But he was very good nonetheless, and indeed different enough to feel like another individual from the same species.
I can agree on that, plus a couple shots of the animatronic eyes looked bad too. However it's good enough to where it isn't an issue for me. Everything since has bothered me to at least some degree though.
Quote from: 426Buddy on Dec 12, 2020, 02:18:09 PM
I can agree on that, plus a couple shots of the animatronic eyes looked bad too. However it's good enough to where it isn't an issue for me. Everything since has bothered me to at least some degree though.
I dig that, P2's animatronics never got me out of the movie. The movies that followed though...
I want individuals with different aesthetics in my Pred films. These all look good, for instance;
(https://i.imgur.com/yMqGnq0.png)
It just seems to be a problem with on-screen costume work (post Stand Winston) which end up giving them all crinkle mouth syndrome. If they fix that, I'm good. I want unique crest and head shapes, and colors. Different sized and positioned mandibles is fine, too. More teeth, less teeth. Give me it all. Just don't have crinkle mouth.
Agreed, tired of them looking like they were punched in the jaw by prime mike tyson.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 12, 2020, 11:05:43 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 12, 2020, 04:52:04 AM
They're hunter-warriors that can live for hundreds of thousands of years
Excuse me, what the f**k?
I'm trying to say that they're immortal biologically wise. Very long lived until they are killed by something, didn't think I had to explain that. Unless there something that I missed on their lifespan. For now, I'm just talking about showing more fighting prowess on Predator action on screen ok.
Let's stick to the films, shell we? P2 Elder looks senile and is at best few hundred years old. It's very long life span and it's cool. Biological immortal? Please...
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 12, 2020, 06:20:48 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 12, 2020, 11:05:43 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 12, 2020, 04:52:04 AM
They're hunter-warriors that can live for hundreds of thousands of years
Excuse me, what the f**k?
I'm trying to say that they're immortal biologically wise. Very long lived until they are killed by something, didn't think I had to explain that. Unless there something that I missed on their lifespan. For now, I'm just talking about showing more fighting prowess on Predator action on screen ok.
Yeah not everyone buys into the crazy EU pred stuff
There are some interesting stuff in the EU, but for the movies I'm all for sticking with what we saw in previous movies then.
With Marvel now helming future EU material (at least with regards to comics and graphic novels), we will get a more structured EU moving forward. I'm looking forward to it.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 12, 2020, 06:20:48 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 12, 2020, 11:05:43 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 12, 2020, 04:52:04 AM
They're hunter-warriors that can live for hundreds of thousands of years
Excuse me, what the f**k?
I'm trying to say that they're immortal biologically wise. Very long lived until they are killed by something, didn't think I had to explain that. Unless there something that I missed on their lifespan. For now, I'm just talking about showing more fighting prowess on Predator action on screen ok.
Not buying it, sorry.
We can say, from what we saw in the movies, that they seem to be able to live for at least two hundred and some years. Hundred of thousand seems like a stretch though.
Yeah, a lifespan of a few hundred years is in evidence, and not completely unreasonable. "They live until something kills them" feels like asking a lot from a creature so similar to complex earth life in all other regards.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 11, 2020, 01:42:32 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 11, 2020, 06:00:08 AM
Well, I guess I have lower standarts, because I don't find any of these terrible
No brother. No one said that! Ultimately, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You don't think I have lower standards because I like a certain loathed movie, do you?
(https://i.ibb.co/h2tcRPQ/Screenshot-20201211-072147-Chrome.jpg)
Do you??
;);D
I like The Predator
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jul 12, 2020, 04:01:59 PM
And then when someone asks "Who here loves The Predator 2018?", then it's your turn!
:'(
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Dec 12, 2020, 10:23:00 PM
Not buying it, sorry.
Ok, I'll address this
one more time, this was a huge exaggeration/hyperbole, I simply wanted to address my point of seeing more better fights with Predators. I honestly don't know how long they live, only that they are biologically long lived, seeing how Dutch had stopped aging and how City Hunter is around 200-300 years old and considered a teen. Hell, no other expanded media even mentions the limit of their lifespan. I just expect more display of skill from a warrior-hunter that has tons of hunting experience after centuries of combat. If I knew that somehow this would trigger people, I would have edit this long ago.....
If you really want to know my thoughts on it, I can see one live to around in the ten thousands. Alien biology man, I don't know, its up for debate but again, wasn't even thinking about going in a tangent here. But going back to the movie......
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One thing I do hope I get to see is in this movie, is another unique Predator. I see in expanded media and even in movies that Predator designs try to get back to Jungle Hunter's design. Crucified is one, the Isolated Clan from AVP has some of that, the regular classes of Hunting Grounds nods at the old design. I know its iconic but I still want more unique appearances like how City Hunter is. I don't want them too uniform.
Where are you getting that City Hunter is 200-300 years old and a teen? ???
Quote from: SiL on Dec 14, 2020, 01:17:45 AM
Where are you getting that City Hunter is 200-300 years old and a teen? ???
Predator Hunting Grounds, more specifically the OWLF Tapes. The specific tape is called, Agent Keyes-10 Technological Finds. It does confirm something interesting, like people mentioned before, various clans have their own ways of initiating young bloods into their ranks. Isolated Tribe requires hunting xenomorphs and marking themselves with the blood of their kill while with the Lost Tribe, its something else entirely.
Give it a good listen if you haven't yet. Oh and if you don't know yet, yes this game is canon.
As Canon as Colonial Marines ::) Look I get it you like some flavour material from from the game and it's fine by me. I like AvP Arcade, but don't go around and say it's Canon. Movies are Canon nothing else and you'll find guys debating it here all the time.
Hunting Grounds is canon according to the license holders but if you don't subscribe that's fine no one is forcing you. But bringing Arnold back for Dutch makes it extremely likely that it will remain canon. Just like the one video game that brought Sigourney back (Isolation) is still considered canon.
In early 2021, I really need to remember to convert the Keyes recordings, the Dutch tapes and hopefully the Isabelle recordings, all into separate mp3 files where fans can download and play them like podcasts or audiobooks as often as they want.
Quote from: Master on Dec 14, 2020, 07:02:42 AM
As Canon as Colonial Marines ::) Look I get it you like some flavour material from from the game and it's fine by me. I like AvP Arcade, but don't go around and say it's Canon. Movies are Canon nothing else and you'll find guys debating it here all the time.
Fox consider Hunting Grounds canon. Colonial Marines have been discredited by both fans and the big guys at Fox. Only the cool stuff like the plasma rifle and the new alien breeds is canon, as verified by franchise consultant Andrew E Gaska from one of the interviews the fellas here did on the podcast: https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2020/09/30/barroom-canon-deep-lore-unpredictability-talking-alien-rpg-with-writer-franchise-consultant-andrew-gaska-avp-galaxy-podcast-116/
I go by the license holders and the folks at Fox, so if they said its canon, then it is. Glad they decided that Colonial Marines is a mistake and took the canon pass back lol.
The only things that aren't canon would be the specific makeups for Fireteam and what Predator was around (if one showed at all) as well as who won what engagement. It's all decided by the players so until something concrete comes up we don't know who won the mission "fools gold" for example. Flavor text would also be canon but where the item or character appears is debatable. Dutch's rifle I believe he lost in the original film. It's usable in Hunting Grounds but Dutch canonically loses his rifle in 87. City Hunter is long dead, but because a Predator is present then City Hunter simply fills the role even if he's canonically worm food.
Lore tapes would be concrete lore. So Dutch is around in 2025 pulling a Hunter Borgia.
Sorry to break your parade guys but who'll remember what happened in some game in 10 years? Unless any of it is acknowledged in one of new films, it's just flavour material in game tie-in of movie franchise and will always remain as such.
Quote from: Master on Dec 14, 2020, 11:16:52 PM
Sorry to break your parade guys but who'll remember what happened in some game in 10 years? Unless any of it is acknowledged in one of new films, it's just flavour material in game tie-in of movie franchise and will always remain as such.
I agree man, games are fun, but games are games.
Quote from: Master on Dec 14, 2020, 11:16:52 PM
Sorry to break your parade guys but who'll remember what happened in some game in 10 years? Unless any of it is acknowledged in one of new films, it's just flavour material in game tie-in of movie franchise and will always remain as such.
Only a small handful of us remembers what happened in movie 30 years ago.
I think Predator Hunting Grounds' canonical lore will have a little more weight and shelf life than most video game fare, specifically when it comes to Dutch, because 1. the well written lore is voiced by the franchise's biggest star himself Arnold Schwarzenegger and 2. is lore also supported by Titan's novel Predator: Stalking Shadows.
Movies can overwrite the lore established in Predator Hunting Grounds and Alien Isolation anytime they want, it's canon until it isn't, but until they do, I say let's enjoy it. :)
Quote from: Master on Dec 14, 2020, 11:16:52 PM
Sorry to break your parade guys but who'll remember what happened in some game in 10 years?
Doesn't change the fact that its canon. Not to mention what a great way to trash the media form of videogames. I can tell ya that there are some great games out there that is higher than some trash films we have currently.
Quote from: Master on Dec 14, 2020, 11:16:52 PM
Unless any of it is acknowledged in one of new films, it's just flavor material in game tie-in of movie franchise and will always remain as such.
Flawed logic. If the worth of lore and story is only worth it in film form, than most of the Predator series would be largely underappreciated.
Normies and regular movie goers won't know what is going on with Predator, or even have a strong gravitation to Predator seeing how Star Wars and Marvel movies have the strong attention of general audiences. Only us fans will truly know what's going on within the universe. How many people do you think even realize or even care about how The Predator affect the lore other than being just a terrible movie to follow?
Older generations will appreciate the films for what it is as it was released during their time but from that group its also general audiences that can look back at the first Predator only as a great film, with a great handful of hardcore older fans actually be in touch in the film and it's universe. Many dismiss The Predator, many don't remember what is the plot of Predators, Predator 2 is contestant but now generally aged well with many fans, its only Predator where I can bring this up to any other person in say the workplace and their general response is either they seen it once or twice, know family or friend that seen it before and told them about it, remember seeing it back when they were a teenager, or have the recent Blu-ray copy on the shelf.
Why do you think many of us were delighted in seeing this new Predator film to come out so soon? We thought it was over, forgotten over other better films until the next 10 years after the disaster of the last one. Thats why many of us are hopeful this new movie will succeed and have some strong form of presence in the minds of the general media. I do want this film to succeed and see many people enjoy these series as much as I do.
Quote from: Master on Dec 14, 2020, 11:16:52 PM
Sorry to break your parade guys but who'll remember what happened in some game in 10 years? Unless any of it is acknowledged in one of new films, it's just flavour material in game tie-in of movie franchise and will always remain as such.
Plenty of us seem to remember the first Predator comic series that came out 30 years ago (you know the one that influenced Predator 2) so I find it likely that we'll also remember Arnold Schwarzenegger reprising his role as Dutch in Hunting Grounds in 10 years.
First post in awhile but dang I am excited for this. Loved 10 Cloverfield Lane and love the idea for the setting of this movie. Here's hoping we get something really special! ;D
I hope we hear some casting news soon.
I see the canon wars have made their way into this thread.
I haven't listened to the podcast yet, but my understanding is that they're still in the script phase? Would they move on to casting before that's been completed, or are they really that far along into the project?
If we're setting Predator movies in the past, it would be interesting to see them work their way up to the flintlock pistol.
Quote from: Wysps on Dec 15, 2020, 04:19:19 PM
I see the canon wars have made their way into this thread.
I haven't listened to the podcast yet, but my understanding is that they're still in the script phase? Would they move on to casting before that's been completed, or are they really that far along into the project?
While Trachtenberg has been developing this film since 2016, Patrick Aison was hired to write the script in 2019:
https://discussingfilm.net/2019/12/11/dan-trachtenberg-set-to-direct-skulls-for-fox-disney-exclusive/
So it wouldn't be out of the ordinary to start hearing casting news early 2021 I think. :)
QuoteIf we're setting Predator movies in the past, it would be interesting to see them work their way up to the flintlock pistol.
I so would love this!!
I imagine they'll announce the lead(s) in the next few months. Really hoping for some great talent.
The Predator had a fun cast but they were more or less wasted.. hoping they pull some really good talent.
Quote from: MudButt on Dec 15, 2020, 05:00:11 PM
The Predator had a fun cast but they were more or less wasted.. hoping they pull some really good talent.
Totally agree. Not only was the cast sort of wasted but so was the interesting setup of having a group of soldiers who were unstable in one way or another face off against the Predator.
I'm really hoping this new script introduces cool characters we can get to know.
Yes. With the rumored Civil War setting you can really have some great development and banter between characters. Especially if they include a mix of American and Native American characters. You can have fun with enemies having to work together to survive.
The Predator's cast was excellent. The film has a gang of issues, but its cast was not one of them.
Quote from: MudButt on Dec 15, 2020, 05:00:11 PM
I imagine they'll announce the lead(s) in the next few months. Really hoping for some great talent.
The Predator had a fun cast but they were more or less wasted.. hoping they pull some really good talent.
What if they put Jeremy Renner in it?
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 15, 2020, 01:21:30 AM
Quote from: Master on Dec 14, 2020, 11:16:52 PM
Sorry to break your parade guys but who'll remember what happened in some game in 10 years?
Doesn't change the fact that its canon. Not to mention what a great way to trash the media form of videogames. I can tell ya that there are some great games out there that is higher than some trash films we have currently.
Quote from: Master on Dec 14, 2020, 11:16:52 PM
Unless any of it is acknowledged in one of new films, it's just flavor material in game tie-in of movie franchise and will always remain as such.
Flawed logic. If the worth of lore and story is only worth it in film form, than most of the Predator series would be largely underappreciated.
Normies and regular movie goers won't know what is going on with Predator, or even have a strong gravitation to Predator seeing how Star Wars and Marvel movies have the strong attention of general audiences. Only us fans will truly know what's going on within the universe. How many people do you think even realize or even care about how The Predator affect the lore other than being just a terrible movie to follow?
Older generations will appreciate the films for what it is as it was released during their time but from that group its also general audiences that can look back at the first Predator only as a great film, with a great handful of hardcore older fans actually be in touch in the film and it's universe. Many dismiss The Predator, many don't remember what is the plot of Predators, Predator 2 is contestant but now generally aged well with many fans, its only Predator where I can bring this up to any other person in say the workplace and their general response is either they seen it once or twice, know family or friend that seen it before and told them about it, remember seeing it back when they were a teenager, or have the recent Blu-ray copy on the shelf.
Why do you think many of us were delighted in seeing this new Predator film to come out so soon? We thought it was over, forgotten over other better films until the next 10 years after the disaster of the last one. Thats why many of us are hopeful this new movie will succeed and have some strong form of presence in the minds of the general media. I do want this film to succeed and see many people enjoy these series as much as I do.
I'm not diminishing games nor do I intend to. Instead of arguing who's right I'll give an example.
There was once a super popular SW game series called Dark Forces and it's mane character Kyle Katarn was one of the most important characters out of the movie spectrum. It was so popular it had impact on whole universe and books were written that gave it's characters further life. But the Disney came and all of the sudden whole set up and it's characters are no longer canon. I see bits of it recycled and
implemented in other new SW media, but as much as it personally hurts me none of it matters anymore.
Including not only native actors would probably attract more people to see it, so it's probably a safer bet. I would totally dig an all native cast, but that seems unlikely.
I don't necessarily agree with this, at least here currently in the United States thankfully, especially when it's a period piece and a monster is your star.
Dances with PredatorQuote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 16, 2020, 01:38:51 PMI don't necessarily agree with this, at least here currently in the United States thankfully.
I feel like you're giving far too much credit to American audiences.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Dec 16, 2020, 01:39:17 PM
Dances with Predator
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 16, 2020, 01:38:51 PMI don't necessarily agree with this, at least here currently in the United States thankfully.
I feel like you're giving far too much credit to American audiences.
When we're talking film and television, being the age that I am, raised on watching the Cosby Show in the 1980s with an entire African American cast which was the #1 Television Show in all of America for 5 consecutive years, to where we are now, overall, I've seen the progress and success that somehow now in the past few years, some want to present that American Audiences have gone somehow backwards in the past 5-10 years, and thankfully, I personally 100% unequivocally and happily feel that with this is not the case with the vast, vast majority.
If it looks good, they will watch it. I think the current problem is film studios playcating to what they
feel other international markets will feel about casting, like China.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 14, 2020, 04:33:32 PM
In early 2021, I really need to remember to convert the Keyes recordings, the Dutch tapes and hopefully the Isabelle recordings, all into separate mp3 files where fans can download and play them like podcasts or audiobooks as often as they want.
That would be very, VERY nice of you
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 16, 2020, 01:38:51 PM
I don't necessarily agree with this, at least here currently in the United States thankfully, especially when it's a period piece and a monster is your star.
I 100% agree that a huge selling point will be the creature itself. But regarding humans, I was referring to the fact that there aren't many recognizable stars among native actors, unfortunately.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 16, 2020, 11:00:25 AM
Including not only native actors would probably attract more people to see it, so it's probably a safer bet. I would totally dig an all native cast, but that seems unlikely.
R' u' avin' a giggle M8?
Disney would be flayed alive, but you're right about something marketing this to a Chinese audience will be nightmarish, here's hoping they don't bother.
Wouldnt be surprised to see them try to cast some more Hollywood names with Native ancestry, to appeal to other markets.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 16, 2020, 06:22:05 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 16, 2020, 11:00:25 AM
Including not only native actors would probably attract more people to see it, so it's probably a safer bet. I would totally dig an all native cast, but that seems unlikely.
R' u' avin' a giggle M8?
Disney would be flayed alive, but you're right about something marketing this to a Chinese audience woul be a nightmare, here's hoping they don't bother.
Flayed alive, if they casted only natives or if they didn't ?
Seeing as "Skulls" is apparently being described as having a "pre-colonial" setting, I would imagine that this film will feature a solely indigenous cast.
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 16, 2020, 06:33:50 PM
Seeing as "Skulls" is apparently being described as having a "pre-colonial" setting, I would imagine that this film will feature a solely indigenous cast.
With this in mind, if they casted none.
Quote from: Fiendishly Inventive on Dec 16, 2020, 06:40:04 PM
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 16, 2020, 06:33:50 PM
Seeing as "Skulls" is apparently being described as having a "pre-colonial" setting, I would imagine that this film will feature a solely indigenous cast.
With this in mind, if they casted none.
I totally agree
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Dec 16, 2020, 06:33:49 PM
Seeing as "Skulls" is apparently being described as having a "pre-colonial" setting, I would imagine that this film will feature a solely indigenous cast.
I'd like to know if pre-colonial means prior to the establishment of governments by the Spanish , the States, or pre-contact altogether. It could still be considered pre-colonial, even with the presence of Spanish "explorers/mappers" since a colony wouldn't have been established or taken root. I'd love for the horses to make it into the movie, but without the presence of the Spanish that would be impossible :'(
Quote from: Master on Dec 16, 2020, 05:22:35 AM
I'm not diminishing games nor do I intend to. Instead of arguing who's right I'll give an example.
There was once a super popular SW game series called Dark Forces and it's mane character Kyle Katarn was one of the most important characters out of the movie spectrum. It was so popular it had impact on whole universe and books were written that gave it's characters further life. But the Disney came and all of the sudden whole set up and it's characters are no longer canon. I see bits of it recycled and
implemented in other new SW media, but as much as it personally hurts me none of it matters anymore.
That was an unfortunate decision Disney has done but this doesn't change the fact that
at the time it was canon, simple as that.
By that logic, you can't even say only go by films as canon as films aren't immune to removal of canon, as we see Terminator has done this to their past movies with their constant reboots, as Dark Fate is the true canon. (Although I elect to ignore that decision) Ridley Scott ignored the AVP series and continue off with Alien his own way. Colonial Marines was canon until they made the wise decision to remove it with the exception of some materials, as it was canned by both critics, causal gamers, and fans universally.
Until Fox and Disney says Hunting Grounds isn't canon anymore, than it's canon. The big dogs declare it, and since its great material/lore for the Predator series, I'm not disagreeing with this anytime soon. If its just you not liking the game and the lore it brings, that's fine man, you can ignore Hunting Grounds as I ignore Dark Fate.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 16, 2020, 11:00:25 AM
Including not only native actors would probably attract more people to see it, so it's probably a safer bet. I would totally dig an all native cast, but that seems unlikely.
Well there are some factors that can help take care with that.
Johnny Depp wasn't a big name when he was casted in Nightmare on Elm Street 2 until years later. So was Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger in Terminator with now both names being synonyms to the franchise. If the movie delivers good and the actors do a good job than people will come. Never underestimate the power of word by mouth.
With culture politics being a thing these days, having a full on native cast will be too much to not ignore these days. People went crazy for Black Panther, Apocalypto is a great film with an all star native/hispanic cast, and the demand for stars of various backgrounds is high these days.
Lets also not forget that Predator was considered a trash film back in the day until years later people realized that this film was gold so I don't think something like people not digging an all native cast will stop this film. Internationally? I can see China not taking it so well, seeing to how they removed Finn from the Star Wars posters but other than that, I don't know.
Johnny Depp was in the first one and Arnie had done Conan.
Quote from: SiL on Dec 17, 2020, 05:08:06 AM
Johnny Depp was in the first one and Arnie had done Conan.
Right, right, my bad! I could have sworn Depp was in the second one but I have seen the first two films only once though so yeah just a fuzzy memory.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 17, 2020, 04:48:51 AM
If its just you not liking the game and the lore it brings, that's fine man, you can ignore Hunting Grounds as I ignore Dark Fate.
Yeah, Dark Fate doesn't exist in my dojo either. :)
QuoteJohnny Depp wasn't a big name when he was casted in Nightmare on Elm Street 2 until years later.
Yeah Depp wasn't even the lead in Nightmare of Elm Street but that film didn't make him big either. Neither did his stint in Platoon. It wasn't until his starring role in the television series 21 Jump Street did he become a star and a pinup for young teenage girls everywhere.
QuoteSo was Linda Hamilton and Arnold Schwarzenegger in Terminator with now both names being synonyms to the franchise.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 17, 2020, 06:28:00 AM
Quote from: SiL on Dec 17, 2020, 05:08:06 AM
Johnny Depp was in the first one and Arnie had done Conan.
Right, right, my bad! I could have sworn Depp was in the second one but I have seen the first two films only once though so yeah just a fuzzy memory.
Yeah Arnie had done two Conan films before The Terminator, but even more movies before that. Arnold even won a Golden Globe (can you believe it!) for his role in Stay Hungry with Jeff Bridges and Sally Field. But he was already world famous for bodybuilding before that. With his charisma alone he garnered a huge spotlight on what was previously thought of an odd sporting competition.
For Linda, The Terminator was indeed big for her. Terminator 2, even bigger. Another good example would be Sigourney Weaver and Alien. :)
QuoteIf the movie delivers good and the actors do a good job than people will come. Never underestimate the power of word by mouth.
Plus in slasher / horror films, the draw usually is never the actors being chased. It's about the horror and its villian. :)
QuoteLets also not forget that Predator was considered a trash film back in the day until years later people realized that this film was gold
I don't think this is an accurate description of what went down in 1987. It likely applies more to Predator 2 to some degree.
I was about to say that, among genre fans it was well received, and also among general audiences.
So I was doing some research for a project I am working on and I came across the only recorded female warrior chief of a native tribe (so far discovered), Running Eagle of the Piegan Blackfoot Indian. If you guys want an idea of how badass the lead for the new movie can be, I'd recommend checking out this article. The article has a lot of high school dick jokey humor, but its the staple of Ben Thompson who writes these articles and books for his website.
https://www.badassoftheweek.com/runningeagle
For those who want a clean humorless read:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170114022132/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_Eagle
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Dec 17, 2020, 01:55:00 PM
I was about to say that, among genre fans it was well received, and also among general audiences.
Really? I recall many people, including some here although I don't remember who, that it fell flat on the beginning as a B movie until decades later it was seen as something gold.
Nah, the original was pretty well regarded as one of the better 80s actioners.
We all know what "trash Predator movie" is
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 21, 2020, 03:42:07 PM
We all know what "trash Predator movie" is
AVPR.
... yes. Yes, that's the answer I was expecting
I've never been a fan of calling things "trash". To me it sort of dismisses the positives even if they're few.
But lots of stuff in the world, really is trash?
Hmm... what's worse? Trash or sh*tshow?
Shitshow. Trash can still be treasure, shitshow's just a shitshow no matter how you look at it.
I learn something everyday.... ;D
Example -
AVP is trash
The Predator - is a shit show.
I actually prefer The Predator to AvP. I find AvP just so bland, and Sterling K. Brown just pushes it over the top for me.
Don't they both have crabators though?
Thankfully, MPC who did the CG Assassin/Upgrade Predator was allergic to crabs...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/upgrade004.jpg)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 23, 2020, 03:30:29 AM
Thankfully, MPC who did the CG Assassin/Upgrade Predator was allergic to crabs...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/upgrade004.jpg)
God, it really did look like it ate a bunch of bees huh?
And they say you take only bad views of Predator faces. Just can't admit that these faces suck man. Hell those mandibles look like they are so tired being on Upgrade's face.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 23, 2020, 02:03:14 AM
I actually prefer The Predator to AvP. I find AvP just so bland, and Sterling K. Brown just pushes it over the top for me.
I felt like Anderson knew the source material waayyy better than Shane black ( I couldn't even remember his name there ha ha) . AVP might even be decent of you replace the Predator Puppets with the originals.....and maybe chuck another 20 minutes on the start.
The Predator nose dives so hard it was comedy for me. I'll never watch The Predator again ( once) , but I'd watch AVP.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 23, 2020, 03:30:29 AM
Thankfully, MPC who did the CG Assassin/Upgrade Predator was allergic to crabs...
(https://www.avpgalaxy.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/upgrade004.jpg)
I don't mind the overall look of the Assassin.. but... the masks are such an iconic thing and Shane just... made sure his star predator didn't have to wear them. :laugh:
Ugh, I know! :(
Quote from: Highland on Dec 23, 2020, 10:53:48 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 23, 2020, 02:03:14 AM
I actually prefer The Predator to AvP. I find AvP just so bland, and Sterling K. Brown just pushes it over the top for me.
I felt like Anderson knew the source material waayyy better than Shane black ( I couldn't even remember his name there ha ha) . AVP might even be decent of you replace the Predator Puppets with the originals.....and maybe chuck another 20 minutes on the start.
The Predator nose dives so hard it was comedy for me. I'll never watch The Predator again ( once) , but I'd watch AVP.
I've watched neither in 2020 I believe. ;D
But this is not an endorsement of course, I can't recommend The Predator to anyone, and it's not in the prism of who knows the source material more, just what is easier for me to pass the time with. As a Predator movie, The Predator is awful. But if I had a few beers, The Predator is dumb and breezy and humorous enough that it's easier for me to pass the time with than AvP. I don't have to take it seriously, because it mostly doesn't. :)
Quote from: Highland on Dec 23, 2020, 10:53:48 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 23, 2020, 02:03:14 AM
I actually prefer The Predator to AvP. I find AvP just so bland, and Sterling K. Brown just pushes it over the top for me.
I felt like Anderson knew the source material waayyy better than Shane black ( I couldn't even remember his name there ha ha) . AVP might even be decent of you replace the Predator Puppets with the originals.....and maybe chuck another 20 minutes on the start.
The Predator nose dives so hard it was comedy for me. I'll never watch The Predator again ( once) , but I'd watch AVP.
Anderson may have known the source material better, but what's more important to me is that Black is a much better filmmaker than Anderson and Black usually really 'gets' action/comedy.
And yet, somehow, Black's film manages to be even worse than AVP, a film that I find to be basically unwatchable.
i suspect a certain degree of arrogance was involved.
Prior to the movie coming out Shane was shit talking Alien Resurrection and how bad it was...
and in many ways he made a film that is a lot worse.
Has no discernable style to it, the soundtrack's hardly inspired, the story makes even less sense than Resurrection...
The Predator's fundamental issue is that Shane Black is not a horror director. They just had the wrong guy on the job, Shane Black is more at home when he was doing Iron man 3 than The Predator and it shows. Shane Black is not a bad writer and director but he was not the guy to helm a Predator movie.
The Predator is also crippled in the editing bay which is also a good chunk of why this film had the profitability problems it did. You also have to consider that they also had a script which was butchered following the test-screenings and ass hats who leaked it. These all being problems you need sorting out in pre-production and or earlier, not after the money has already been spent. Predators are costly creature FX and they had like four of these things, two of which they now had problems marketing. They also had a whole group of mutants that they could also do nothing with though unlike the Emissary it's unclear if they actually spent money on making them.
Anderson I don't doubt knows the material but AVP was and is a versus story. You don't go to these things for drama, you go to shit like this because you wanna see guys in rubber monster suits fight. Nobody watches Freddy versus Jason, Alien Versus Predator, or like any Godzilla movie because we care about what the Humans are doing. If the Human element is great then that's awesome, but all AVP had to do was sell us on the fight and it did. AVP isn't a good movie but it succeeded at all it really needed to do.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 23, 2020, 02:03:14 AM
I actually prefer The Predator to AvP. I find AvP just so bland, and Sterling K. Brown just pushes it over the top for me.
On one hand, I have a huge soft spot for AvP. On the other, you said something good about The Predator
Spoiler
ERROR, ERROR, CAN'T COMPUTE
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Dec 23, 2020, 04:54:39 AM
And they say you take only bad views of Predator faces. Just can't admit that these faces suck man
>:(
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 24, 2020, 10:48:06 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 23, 2020, 02:03:14 AM
I actually prefer The Predator to AvP. I find AvP just so bland, and Sterling K. Brown just pushes it over the top for me.
On one hand, I have a huge soft spot for AvP. On the other, you said something good about The Predator
Spoiler
ERROR, ERROR, CAN'T COMPUTE
:laugh:
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Dec 24, 2020, 01:29:45 AM
Anderson I don't doubt knows the material but AVP was and is a versus story. You don't go to these things for drama, you go to shit like this because you wanna see guys in rubber monster suits fight. Nobody watches Freddy versus Jason, Alien Versus Predator, or like any Godzilla movie because we care about what the Humans are doing. If the Human element is great then that's awesome, but all AVP had to do was sell us on the fight and it did. AVP isn't a good movie but it succeeded at all it really needed to do.
Ash vs The Evil Dead was good. So was Kramer vs Kramer. :P
But yeah, I don't personally subscribe to the notion that a versus movie that is bad "succeeded" as long as it sold us on a fight. Like the bad choices in scripting, pacing, filming, editing and design are waived away as acceptable or inevitable because it's a versus film. T2 is versus film at it's heart. Just in 10 seconds you could replace the Predator with the T800 protecting Lex and her child for some reason (maybe their ship crashed in an Alien jungle) as they fight off Xenomorphs and we've already came up with a framework for a much compelling AvP film.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 24, 2020, 01:26:29 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 24, 2020, 10:48:06 AM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Dec 23, 2020, 02:03:14 AM
I actually prefer The Predator to AvP. I find AvP just so bland, and Sterling K. Brown just pushes it over the top for me.
On one hand, I have a huge soft spot for AvP. On the other, you said something good about The Predator
Spoiler
ERROR, ERROR, CAN'T COMPUTE
:laugh:
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Dec 24, 2020, 01:29:45 AM
Anderson I don't doubt knows the material but AVP was and is a versus story. You don't go to these things for drama, you go to shit like this because you wanna see guys in rubber monster suits fight. Nobody watches Freddy versus Jason, Alien Versus Predator, or like any Godzilla movie because we care about what the Humans are doing. If the Human element is great then that's awesome, but all AVP had to do was sell us on the fight and it did. AVP isn't a good movie but it succeeded at all it really needed to do.
Ash vs The Evil Dead was good. So was Kramer vs Kramer. :P
But yeah, I don't personally subscribe to the notion that a versus movie that is bad "succeeded" as long as it sold us on a fight. Like the bad choices in scripting, pacing, filming, editing and design are waived away as acceptable or inevitable because it's a versus film. T2 is versus film at it's heart. Just in 10 seconds you could replace the Predator with the T800 protecting Lex and her child for some reason (maybe their ship crashed in an Alien jungle) as they fight off Xenomorphs and we've already came up with a framework for a much compelling AvP film.
I preferred Kramer vs Predator
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JxI6ITD42RY/maxresdefault.jpg)
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/predator-movies-reportedly-introduce-female-predators/
I know that WGTW is trash, but the source seems to be Daniel Ritchman's patreon, and the guy has a very good track record.
That's the same name they always credit with these scoops. I still don't believe it for a second.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2021, 10:15:49 AM
That's the same name they always credit with these scoops. I still don't believe it for a second.
Yeah, right now he's currently touting a
Predators sequel, three different Alien shows, an AVP show, a young Ripley movie, a Ridley Scott movie (that isn't a
Covenant sequel), and a James Cameron movie.
Slow your roll, dude.
Throw enough stuff out there, something is bound to stick.
Though I wish he was right about some of those :-\
Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Jan 06, 2021, 12:08:56 AM
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jan 04, 2021, 10:15:49 AM
That's the same name they always credit with these scoops. I still don't believe it for a second.
Yeah, right now he's currently touting a Predators sequel, three different Alien shows, an AVP show, a young Ripley movie, a Ridley Scott movie (that isn't a Covenant sequel), and a James Cameron movie.
Slow your roll, dude.
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/l2JJzAiFBakUXxP2g/giphy.gif)
I just gotten my hands on Predator If It Bleeds, and I just read a story where a group of Predators allied with a Comanche tribe in 1917. Kind of surreal reading the story and knowing that they are enemies in the new film. What I do like is how they use their legends to connect the Predator in mythic ways like how they connect their cloaking to disappearing into the spirit plane.
I just realized that I'm surprised no one brought up the story May Blood Pave My Way Home from the If It Bleeds collection as a ref.
It's too early to tell at this point but it seems that this movie could focus on the roots of the franchise
wich is the hunting and the trophies.Concerning the predator background,' less is more' is the right move.Let's stop humanizing the predator, let's make it scary and mean like it should be.
An interesting choice to play the main character could be the actress Tanajsia Slaughter,
she plays a native american in the upcoming western Black Wood.
Teaser = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6ibp7hHfR4
(https://i.postimg.cc/wRh5yjZM/slaughter.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wRh5yjZM)
It will be interesting to see if The Volume - LED technology is used during production of this film.
Why can't John McTiernan do another Predator?
McTiernan hasn't made a movie since 2003.
He's kinda toast in the industry since the wiretap thing.
Everyone loves a good comeback. I'd give him a chance.
Quote from: overthere on Jan 16, 2021, 05:03:50 PM
Everyone loves a good comeback. I'd give him a chance.
I totally would, one of my favourite directors of all time. But with a more pragmatic vision of things, it will be extremely unlikely, plus the age factor, I think it's over unfortunately.
Quote from: overthere on Jan 16, 2021, 04:11:40 PM
Why can't John McTiernan do another Predator?
He is Hollywood's persona non grata . I doubt will ever hear from him again.
All I want from McTiernan is his cut of 13th Warrior.
I mean, Mel Gibson's still making movies, and there was a pretty lengthy period of time where he was one of the most reviled actors in Hollywood, still is to many. But I know, comparing the two's like apples to oranges and all.
True... Maybe it also destroyed his will to make movies.
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 16, 2021, 09:41:23 PMAll I want from McTiernan is his cut of 13th Warrior.
Word.
I don't know... What McTiernan would we be getting too? Would we get the Predator/Die Hard/The Hunt for Red October McTiernan or the Last Action Hero/Rollerball/Medicine Man McTiernan? His track record isn't as stellar as Ridley Scott and even Ridley stumbled throughout his Alien return. I think I would only be personally game if McTiernan really had a Predator story that he was creatively hungry to tell.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 17, 2021, 01:57:42 PM
I don't know... What McTiernan would we be getting too? Would we get the Predator/Die Hard/The Hunt for Red October McTiernan or the Last Action Hero/Rollerball/Medicine Man McTiernan? His track record isn't as stellar as Ridley Scott and even Ridley stumbled throughout his Alien return. I think I would only be personally game if McTiernan really had a Predator story that he was creatively hungry to tell.
Hold on a minute, Last Action Hero is great
Quote from: overthere on Jan 17, 2021, 04:38:25 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 17, 2021, 01:57:42 PM
I don't know... What McTiernan would we be getting too? Would we get the Predator/Die Hard/The Hunt for Red October McTiernan or the Last Action Hero/Rollerball/Medicine Man McTiernan? His track record isn't as stellar as Ridley Scott and even Ridley stumbled throughout his Alien return. I think I would only be personally game if McTiernan really had a Predator story that he was creatively hungry to tell.
Hold on a minute, Last Action Hero is great
I wouldn't say it's objectively great, but I personally love it. Also, it is clearly above Rollerball, medicine man is closer I think.
Quote from: Master on Jan 17, 2021, 10:40:02 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jan 17, 2021, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: KiramidHead on Jan 16, 2021, 09:41:23 PMAll I want from McTiernan is his cut of 13th Warrior.
Word.
Word, word.
+1
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GkcsLFSAS30 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GkcsLFSAS30)
I feel a need to tell you guys something, you're the only ones who can understand.
Last few years I've had an issue with sleep paralysis. It would happen too often and it would get really scary, and I'm not the one to be afraid of ghosts and stuff like that, but at certain point it just feels so real, it's impossible not to react to it. So I figured a solution to the problem.
Every night I put the first Predator on. I know it by heart and the familiarity is soothing to me. Plus the score is great. So every night I fall asleep while Predator is running. Sometimes I wake up during a random scene and I be like "oh, this is a good scene, gotta see it now". That happens no matter what scene I wake up at, because every scene is great. And ever since I started doing this, I never had sleep paralysis again.
There you have it. Predator is cure for sleep paralysis.
Now if you will excuse me, gotta go put it on. Good night!
Quote from: overthere on Jan 17, 2021, 04:38:25 PMHold on a minute, Last Action Hero is great
I dig
Last Action Hero, but if we're being honest it's a f**king mess. One of those movies that manages to be
significantly less than the sum of its parts. There are so many incredible scenes in it, it's honestly quite amazing how badly they come together as a whole.
But like I say, I still really enjoy it.
Also, Charles Dance MVP.
Quote from: overthere on Jan 17, 2021, 11:43:15 PM
Predator is cure for sleep paralysis.
That needs to quoted on all future Predator press materials. ;D
Happy it worked out for you!
''After a hiatus of almost 20 years, John McTiernan (director of '80s touchstones like Predator and Die Hard) is heading back to the world of filmmaking with Tau Ceti, an upcoming sci-fi action epic starring Uma Thurman (Kill Bill) and Travis Fimmel (Vikings). The project is ready to roll, but its future hangs in the balance amid the ongoing health crisis that continues to stall and delay live-action productions.
"We were about to shoot the film in Serbia when COVID happened," McTiernan told Empire for the magazine's February 2021 issue. "And now, I don't know what we're gonna do. I could also do it here in Canada. It's easier to set up a bubble or set up some sort of isolation arrangement for the year. Although, in another six months, I suppose we'll have enough vaccines around that they can finally get it under control. And we can go back to work.
In the meantime, the 69-year-old director is figuring out whether or not the movie (centered around a trio of badass soldiers attempting to take down an oligarch on a war-torn planet) will be renamed to "Tau Ceti Foxtrot." Scientifically-speaking, "Tau Ceti" refers to an actual star that is located about 12 lightyears away from Earth.''
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/john-mctiernan-we-can-be-heroes-island-of-dr-moreau (https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/john-mctiernan-we-can-be-heroes-island-of-dr-moreau)
Another Predator movie in disguise, perhaps?!
(https://media.tenor.com/images/24a81c6b4a59269350112f76a4744acd/tenor.gif)
Can't see them having two in development at the same time after the last one's performance.
Especially as "sci-fi action epic" implies a big budget. The film we know we're getting is clearly a low-budget affair.
I wasn't actually being serious. ;D
If Dan Trachtenberg is reading this, please don't make the Predator look like this
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/7546dabae542062ea1ed10558731f578/430c3fe8331a1296-2d/s540x810/fa67d96c6ffedd89c36d6312e16dbf00b453ee84.jpg)
Or this
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c7/bc/c9/c7bcc9865772e65cd97e01aaf4a5e935.jpg)
Or these
(https://i.imgur.com/ZfdA00n.jpg)
(https://www.scified.com/u/fugitive-predator-unmasked.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FdYWlHj.jpg)
In fact.... just don't hire ADI and hire other companies like Legacy Effects or something
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 17, 2021, 01:57:42 PM
I don't know... What McTiernan would we be getting too? Would we get the Predator/Die Hard/The Hunt for Red October McTiernan or the Last Action Hero/Rollerball/Medicine Man McTiernan? His track record isn't as stellar as Ridley Scott and even Ridley stumbled throughout his Alien return. I think I would only be personally game if McTiernan really had a Predator story that he was creatively hungry to tell.
Last action hero is great! Only thing I remember of medicine man is the damn soundtrack my parents bought and played non stop....
Quote from: Pearlhead on Jan 23, 2021, 03:19:58 AM
If Dan Trachtenberg is reading this, please don't make the Predator look like this
https://64.media.tumblr.com/7546dabae542062ea1ed10558731f578/430c3fe8331a1296-2d/s540x810/fa67d96c6ffedd89c36d6312e16dbf00b453ee84.jpg
Or this
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c7/bc/c9/c7bcc9865772e65cd97e01aaf4a5e935.jpg
Or these
(https://i.imgur.com/ZfdA00n.jpg)
(https://www.scified.com/u/fugitive-predator-unmasked.jpg)
https://i.imgur.com/FdYWlHj.jpg
In fact.... just don't hire ADI and hire other companies like Legacy Effects or something
Hadn't seen this photo before but I like the pre-vfx mandibles in this photo compared to the final shot, I wonder why they changed them?
(https://i1.wp.com/www.artofvfx.com/ThePredator/ThePredator_MPC_VFX_12B.jpg?ssl=1)
(https://i0.wp.com/www.artofvfx.com/ThePredator/ThePredator_MPC_VFX_12A.jpg?ssl=1)
https://www.artofvfx.com/the-predator-vfx-work-by-mpc/
**I always wondered if Stan Winston Studios purposely left out some "ingredient" (like some people do in family recipes) and that is why no VFX studio can get the mandible and connecting skin correct.
Just seems so simple to see how the mandibles opened/closed in first two movies and no one can replicate it.
From what Woodfruff and Gillis said IIRC, it's a choice from them to do the mandibles like that. At least that's what they said publicly.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 23, 2021, 12:51:00 PM
From what Woodfruff and Gillis said IIRC, it's a choice from them to do the mandibles like that. At least that's what they said publicly.
And yet, they still keep doing the bullshit Crabator design after so many complaints that the design choice they do with the Predator for each film is terrible? FFS!
Quote from: Pearlhead on Jan 23, 2021, 01:05:48 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 23, 2021, 12:51:00 PM
From what Woodfruff and Gillis said IIRC, it's a choice from them to do the mandibles like that. At least that's what they said publicly.
And yet, they still keep doing the bullshit Crabator design after so many complaints that the design choice they do with the Predator for each film is terrible? FFS!
Maybe too much pride taking over on their side, from being criticized a lot on this matter, IDK. But I agree, I think it's bad and they should change their workplan now.
*reads latest page of the thread*
Voodoo, is that you? :laugh:
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 23, 2021, 01:59:58 PM
Quote from: Pearlhead on Jan 23, 2021, 01:05:48 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 23, 2021, 12:51:00 PM
From what Woodfruff and Gillis said IIRC, it's a choice from them to do the mandibles like that. At least that's what they said publicly.
And yet, they still keep doing the bullshit Crabator design after so many complaints that the design choice they do with the Predator for each film is terrible? FFS!
Maybe too much pride taking over on their side, from being criticized a lot on this matter, IDK. But I agree, I think it's bad and they should change their workplan now.
Or better yet, give another fx house a try please!
Quote from: Kailem on Jan 23, 2021, 04:39:58 PM
*reads latest page of the thread*
Voodoo, is that you? :laugh:
No :laugh:
But is Pearlhead my new best fiend?
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oeSAD00YsGzUPTmqA/giphy.gif)
QuoteQuote from: Kailem on Jan 23, 2021, 04:39:58 PM
*reads latest page of the thread*
Voodoo, is that you? :laugh:
No :laugh:
But is Pearlhead my new best fiend?
https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oeSAD00YsGzUPTmqA/giphy.gif
(https://media.giphy.com/media/v8Qq7a1zI1d4Y/giphy.gif)
Disney had been using Legacy FX for The Mandolorian so I wouldn't be surprised if they used them for Predator.
Speaking of Star Wars, it's also not uncommon for Disney to outsource other items for the productions to (I guess you could say) fan companies. Walts Trooper Factory was responsible for the Disney era Scout Trooper (though I have no idea where they got the helmet for Rogue One). I hear Far Away Creations also did the TIE fighter pilot though it's not clear to me if they did the modern pilot or if they used the OT version for pilots in the background. R2D2 was at one point done by the R2 builders club and Disney did get the 501rst for The Mandolorian.
Of course they also did some goofy shit like using the Stormtrooper helmets you can get at Target for the spiked helmets on Tattooine and some Stormtrooper suits used in The Mandalorian are from ANOVOS but I would not recommend anyone buy from them (seriously, if you want a Stormtrooper there are better vendors).
Now I don't think Predator has the merchandise to do anything like Filoni and friends did for the spiked stormtrooper helmets but should any Predator vendor be still active I'd imagine they might contact them to help.
Quote from: SuperiorIronman on Jan 24, 2021, 03:59:02 PM
Disney had been using Legacy FX for The Mandolorian so I wouldn't be surprised if they used them for Predator.
Aw, that would be so great. From your lips to the Predator gods' ears my friend! :)
Yep, Legacy would do fine for me too !
I've mentioned it many times but I would love to see Weta Digital work on the film.
Trachtenberg's connection with JJ Abrams might work with Kelvin Optical: Bad Robot's in house Production, VFX, and Post studio division
or
Spectrum / Kutcher FX which also did work on 10 Cloverfield Lane
https://kutcherfx.com/projects/
It's time for ADI to hit the casket.
If the mandibles can't close then they're inept.
If the mandibles can't close due to an aesthetic choice then they're garbage.
I don't know if I would call them garbage, but something tells me that the second is correct. That's for better or for worse creative liberties.
Quote from: ace3g on Jan 24, 2021, 09:35:12 PM
I've mentioned it many times but I would love to see Weta Digital work on the film.
Unless I'm mistaken, isn't Weta Digital just strictly digital effects and Weta has a different house that does practical fx? Or do you want to see Predators done digitally?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 24, 2021, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Jan 24, 2021, 09:35:12 PM
I've mentioned it many times but I would love to see Weta Digital work on the film.
Unless I'm mistaken, isn't Weta Digital just strictly digital effects and Weta has a different house that does practical fx?
They make practical effects too.
(https://s2.gifyu.com/images/gif-1be8776aaa7b25930.gif)
Honestly I think they would be ok as well. Anything but ADI please.
Maybe get the Strauses on effects duty. ;)
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 24, 2021, 11:12:12 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 24, 2021, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Jan 24, 2021, 09:35:12 PM
I've mentioned it many times but I would love to see Weta Digital work on the film.
Unless I'm mistaken, isn't Weta Digital just strictly digital effects and Weta has a different house that does practical fx?
They make practical effects too.
(https://s2.gifyu.com/images/gif-1be8776aaa7b25930.gif)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJxsV5m3T70
Actually I think that video title supports exactly what I was thinking. It says "Weta Digital" and "Weta Workshop". Weta Digital handles the cg and Weta Workshop handles practical creature and makeup effects and props.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 25, 2021, 12:12:50 AM
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Jan 24, 2021, 11:12:12 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jan 24, 2021, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: ace3g on Jan 24, 2021, 09:35:12 PM
I've mentioned it many times but I would love to see Weta Digital work on the film.
Unless I'm mistaken, isn't Weta Digital just strictly digital effects and Weta has a different house that does practical fx?
They make practical effects too.
(https://s2.gifyu.com/images/gif-1be8776aaa7b25930.gif)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJxsV5m3T70
Actually I think that video title supports exactly what I was thinking. It says "Weta Digital" and "Weta Workshop". Weta Digital handles the cg and Weta Workshop handles practical creature and makeup effects and props.
You're welcome :)
Yeah, with Weta you can have a digital and practical Predator in the same movie, like in the case of Krampus' where the creature can be seen in both ways in the final flick.
Quote from: ace3g on Jan 24, 2021, 09:35:12 PM
I've mentioned it many times but I would love to see Weta Digital work on the film.
Trachtenberg's connection with JJ Abrams might work with Kelvin Optical: Bad Robot's in house Production, VFX, and Post studio division
or
Spectrum / Kutcher FX which also did work on 10 Cloverfield Lane
https://kutcherfx.com/projects/
(https://i.gifer.com/2Hi.gif)
Oh hell YES to Weta doing practical and digital effects for a Predator movie. Their works are absolutely amazing!
Legacy FX would be another good choice too along with Kutcher!
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 24, 2021, 11:41:20 PM
Honestly I think they would be ok as well. Anything but ADI please.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/7d0e47701cb8ff21e1c1c19651b41e91/tenor.gif)
You're being too harsh for ADI. Sure they can't do Predator face right, but everything else is spot on.
Quote from: Master on Jan 29, 2021, 06:52:56 AM
You're being too harsh for ADI.
Not harsh enough I'm afraid ;D
QuoteSure they can't do Predator face right
Yup, and thats the problem.
(https://i.imgur.com/lvCF2JC.gif)
I'll be honest, as shit as they look in stills, their Predator faces rarely bothered me in live-action.
Always bothers me in live action. Especially AvP, those faces look even worse than in the stills.
Quote from: Master on Jan 29, 2021, 06:52:56 AM
You're being too harsh for ADI. Sure they can't do Predator face right, but everything else is spot on.
The armor design was sourced out to a different firm and it ended up looking decent in The Predator. I did like how ADI made the Predator look more 'real' with the 'wet' look to the skin (for lack of a better description)...but that is about the only thing ADI did decently in their latest opportunity, imo.
The predator is ADI best attempt at creating a pred, most people seem to agree on that. Far from really good though, thus me saying it's time to see another company at work.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 29, 2021, 07:39:55 PM
The predator is ADI best attempt at creating a pred, most people seem to agree on that. Far from really good though, thus me saying it's time to see another company at work.
Agreed :)
Quote from: bendinglight on Jan 29, 2021, 08:12:20 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 29, 2021, 07:39:55 PM
The predator is ADI best attempt at creating a pred, most people seem to agree on that. Far from really good though, thus me saying it's time to see another company at work.
Agreed :)
Indeed! :)
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jan 29, 2021, 07:39:55 PM
The predator is ADI best attempt at creating a pred, most people seem to agree on that. Far from really good though, thus me saying it's time to see another company at work.
Hell yeah
Whole reason I joined the boards after lurking for sometime.
10 Cloverfield Lane was an awesome flick. This leaves me with hope for them to treat it seriously again in the action / sci fi horror / mystery genre again. And no spoof, parody of the material done in Marvel Studios esque fashion ala 2018's The Predator.
Normally not a huge fan of the forced SJW feminism remakes and shtick in modern films. But a strong female protagonist done right in a film series based in hyper masculinity? This actually sounds awesome if done right. Now we need a male protagonist in the Alien franchise.
Alien Films - Female protagonist attacked or attempted to be penetrated Phallic head shaped monsters
Predator Films - Hyper Masculine protagonist emasculated by a pussy with teeth faced monster.
All for going against these film franchise cinematic gender norms. Change of pace.
After the first movie, all the predators looked more or less like suits, the next predator must be a male, and slimy
like the original, i don't care who builds it, as long as he's as realistic as the original one.It also must be pratical.
They got enough tries, now we demand quality.We're not asking for much, i believe.
Quote from: Yautja888 on Jan 31, 2021, 07:23:44 PM
After the first movie, all the predators looked more or less like suits, the next predator must be a male, and slimy
like the original, i don't care who builds it, as long as he's as realistic as the original one.It also must be pratical.
They got enough tries, now we demand quality.We're not asking for much, i believe.
I agree to an extent.
But you're being flagrantly disrespectful of Stan Winston's City Hunter and Elder Pred from Predator 2.
All looked fantastic. In fact in ways I think the City Hunter looks vastly superior to the original.
Yeah, the second film's Predators were at least as good as the first, if not better.
City Hunter's GOAT
I thought City Hunter's face was less convincing in its movements. There are a few places where the mandibles seem to not move properly, and the fully animatronic close-up face always felt a little cartoonish.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 31, 2021, 11:40:57 PM
I thought City Hunter's face was less convincing in its movements. There are a few places where the mandibles seem to not move properly, and the fully animatronic close-up face always felt a little cartoonish.
Definitely agree that the face close-up looks pretty off. Everything else tho is fine imo
Quote from: SiL on Jan 31, 2021, 11:40:57 PM
I thought City Hunter's face was less convincing in its movements. There are a few places where the mandibles seem to not move properly, and the fully animatronic close-up face always felt a little cartoonish.
??? ::) :laugh:
To be fair a lot of people seem to think that way, including me.
Quote from: SiL on Jan 31, 2021, 11:40:57 PM
I thought City Hunter's face was less convincing in its movements. There are a few places where the mandibles seem to not move properly, and the fully animatronic close-up face always felt a little cartoonish.
💩💩
Quote from: Pu$$yFace on Jan 31, 2021, 05:30:01 AM
Predator Films - Hyper Masculine protagonist emasculated by a pussy with teeth faced monster.
Or...
Ayyy lmao
Bet that Predator enjoyed the Double wide surprise
Quote from: Whiskeybrewer on Feb 03, 2021, 03:11:26 AM
Bet that Predator enjoyed the Double wide surprise
Gaaawd Daayum
A turn, this thread took...
Quote from: Pu$$yFace on Jan 31, 2021, 09:07:08 PM
Quote from: Yautja888 on Jan 31, 2021, 07:23:44 PM
After the first movie, all the predators looked more or less like suits, the next predator must be a male, and slimy
like the original, i don't care who builds it, as long as he's as realistic as the original one.It also must be pratical.
They got enough tries, now we demand quality.We're not asking for much, i believe.
I agree to an extent.
But you're being flagrantly disrespectful of Stan Winston's City Hunter and Elder Pred from Predator 2.
All looked fantastic. In fact in ways I think the City Hunter looks vastly superior to the original.
Well, I suppose that I sounded radical, I agree with you about the predators from the second movie,
they all got a nice design, and Stan Winston's team created the best looking predators of the whole
franchise.I can understand that you, and other people can prefer the design and color from the City
Hunter as it will always be something subjective.This said, I would disagree if someone stated that
there is a predator who look more genuine than the original.And I demand this level of quality.
If we get too see glimpses of the new design and it looks like a 'crabator' I'll be out.My hope is that
most fans will be uncompromising, this time.
Quote from: Pu$$yFace on Jan 31, 2021, 05:30:01 AM
Alien Films - Female protagonist attacked or attempted to be penetrated Phallic head shaped monsters
Predator Films - Hyper Masculine protagonist emasculated by a pussy with teeth faced monster.
Go WOKE go BROKE
AmIwriteguys?!!!
Haha, gottim
I'm looking forward to this movie, it's about time we got a Predator prequel, and I'm really glad that this time it's not one that tries to over-explain something that didn't need to be explained while simultaneously almost killing the franchise, like a certain director has been doing recently.
Either way, from the sounds of it, I doubt the Predator will be using any advanced long ranged weapons in this movie, if anything it will probably use more close ranged weapons since it will be fighting humans that don't have any type of firearms, also wondering if the Pred from this movie will be a female too
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Feb 19, 2021, 09:07:16 PM
I'm looking forward to this movie, it's about time we got a Predator prequel, and I'm really glad that this time it's not one that tries to over-explain something that didn't need to be explained while simultaneously almost killing the franchise, like a certain director has been doing recently.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IllegalUntidyDormouse-max-1mb.gif)
It will be interesting if the viewing order will change for some or many once Skulls is released. It's hard to imagine anything better than the 1987 classic as your introduction to the creature. And in that vien, I hope it's good, especially if Skulls becomes that new entry level. I guess the same could be said for Alien. It would be a shame if new young viewers started with Prometheus, then Alien Covenant, and concluded f*ck this series and give up before the real good stuff.
QuoteEither way, from the sounds of it, I doubt the Predator will be using any advanced long ranged weapons in this movie, if anything it will probably use more close ranged weapons since it will be fighting humans that don't have any type of firearms, also wondering if the Pred from this movie will be a female too
I think the Hunting Grounds bow could work...
(https://cdn2.unrealengine.com/Diesel%2Fproductv2%2Fpredator-hunting-grounds%2Fhome%2FPredator-12-640x360-9d4cb574801ec2a8ab372e5da3a20b25232ace61.png)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 20, 2021, 02:35:12 PM
I guess the same could be said for Alien. It would be a shame if new young viewers started with Prometheus, then Alien Covenant, and concluded f*ck this series and give up before the real good stuff.
I'm not sure this happens. I've only introduced one person to the franchise in that order (so it's purely anecdotal), but without the baggage of decades of expectation, they quite liked the prequels.
They're no The Prequels
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 20, 2021, 09:31:23 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 20, 2021, 02:35:12 PM
I guess the same could be said for Alien. It would be a shame if new young viewers started with Prometheus, then Alien Covenant, and concluded f*ck this series and give up before the real good stuff.
I'm not sure this happens. I've only introduced one person to the franchise in that order (so it's purely anecdotal), but without the baggage of decades of expectation, they quite liked the prequels.
Every person that watches the Prequels first ends up enjoining them over the others since they don't get to see how Ridley f**ked over other media in the franchise to do them, they get the idea that it was always meant that way instead of seeing it as Ridley retconning while giving 0 f**ks
Oh no, he ruined Alien Resurrection!
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 20, 2021, 09:50:14 PM
Oh no, he ruined Alien Resurrection!
You are being purposely ignorant, but either way, Resurrection is enjoyable while Prometheus isn't ;)
I really enjoy both, actually.
1992: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
1997: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
2012: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
2017: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
Yup.
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Feb 20, 2021, 11:16:10 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 20, 2021, 09:50:14 PM
Oh no, he ruined Alien Resurrection!
You are being purposely ignorant, but either way, Resurrection is enjoyable while Prometheus isn't ;)
Eh, I beg to differ
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 20, 2021, 11:56:07 PM
1992: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
1997: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
2012: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
2017: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
2012: Well, at least it's no Requiem
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 20, 2021, 11:56:07 PM
1992: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
1997: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
2012: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
2017: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
Alien 3 is better than the other 3, if anything it expanded the Universe more, unlike Prometheus and Covenant which have done everything in their power to retcon the Alien itself
Quote from: Kradan on Feb 21, 2021, 12:28:02 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Feb 20, 2021, 11:16:10 PM
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 20, 2021, 09:50:14 PM
Oh no, he ruined Alien Resurrection!
You are being purposely ignorant, but either way, Resurrection is enjoyable while Prometheus isn't ;)
Eh, I beg to differ
Covenant is a boring movie, Resurrection is a bad movie, I can find enjoyment in bad movies, while boring ones put me to sleep
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 20, 2021, 11:56:07 PM
1992: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
1997: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
2012: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
2017: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
close
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I think you might like this Voodoo. He brought up a point even about City Hunter that I didn't even think about, it lacked the skin on the mandibles that would help close the mouth more. Hope whoever works on the Predator design in the new movie understand these points and make a proper Pred.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 21, 2021, 02:38:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNiLv8wBJX4
I think you might like this Voodoo. He brought up a point even about City Hunter that I didn't even think about, it lacked the skin on the mandibles that would help close the mouth more. Hope whoever works on the Predator design in the new movie understand these points and make a proper Pred.
With CH, it always looked more like he was a different individual rather than inconsistent design, the anatomy of the bones in the mouth and mandibles was still the same
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Feb 21, 2021, 03:24:23 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 21, 2021, 02:38:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNiLv8wBJX4
I think you might like this Voodoo. He brought up a point even about City Hunter that I didn't even think about, it lacked the skin on the mandibles that would help close the mouth more. Hope whoever works on the Predator design in the new movie understand these points and make a proper Pred.
With CH, it always looked more like he was a different individual rather than inconsistent design, the anatomy of the bones in the mouth and mandibles was still the same
Yeah there were points that I disagreed with FX but he did bring up the point that the flaps are there for a biological purpose and thats to keep the mouth moist so there should have been more skin on the mandibles for CH and future Predator designs. Its basically Predator facial cheeks.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 21, 2021, 03:31:20 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Feb 21, 2021, 03:24:23 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 21, 2021, 02:38:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNiLv8wBJX4
I think you might like this Voodoo. He brought up a point even about City Hunter that I didn't even think about, it lacked the skin on the mandibles that would help close the mouth more. Hope whoever works on the Predator design in the new movie understand these points and make a proper Pred.
With CH, it always looked more like he was a different individual rather than inconsistent design, the anatomy of the bones in the mouth and mandibles was still the same
Yeah there were points that I disagreed with FX but he did bring up the point that the flaps are there for a biological purpose and thats to keep the mouth moist so there should have been more skin on the mandibles for CH and future Predator designs. Its basically Predator facial cheeks.
Yeah, I can't deny that he has a lack of cheek skin, he could have still have the added fangs on the mandible but have em covered
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Feb 21, 2021, 03:43:14 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 21, 2021, 03:31:20 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Feb 21, 2021, 03:24:23 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 21, 2021, 02:38:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNiLv8wBJX4
I think you might like this Voodoo. He brought up a point even about City Hunter that I didn't even think about, it lacked the skin on the mandibles that would help close the mouth more. Hope whoever works on the Predator design in the new movie understand these points and make a proper Pred.
With CH, it always looked more like he was a different individual rather than inconsistent design, the anatomy of the bones in the mouth and mandibles was still the same
Yeah there were points that I disagreed with FX but he did bring up the point that the flaps are there for a biological purpose and thats to keep the mouth moist so there should have been more skin on the mandibles for CH and future Predator designs. Its basically Predator facial cheeks.
Yeah, I can't deny that he has a lack of cheek skin, he could have still have the added fangs on the mandible but have em covered
New video by CorderyFX covers that very well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNiLv8wBJX4
Yeah, perhaps the City Hunter could have had slightly more skin, but that's the only qualifiable nitpick from this list because even Cordery qualifies that the City Hunter still maintains the closed mandible look - none of the other Predators do. Both Winston's star creations understood jaw structure, proportion and functionality that KNB and ADI don't seem to have a handle on, especially ADI.
Thanks for posting Mr. Turok! First Mr.H at the end of this video....
Now CorderyFX.
It's nice to finally see these complaints towards these bad Crabator designs get some traction!
(https://i.ibb.co/SXdz0YY/IMG-20190321-130005.jpg)
Quote from: Pearlhead on Feb 21, 2021, 03:54:00 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Feb 21, 2021, 03:43:14 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 21, 2021, 03:31:20 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Feb 21, 2021, 03:24:23 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 21, 2021, 02:38:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNiLv8wBJX4
I think you might like this Voodoo. He brought up a point even about City Hunter that I didn't even think about, it lacked the skin on the mandibles that would help close the mouth more. Hope whoever works on the Predator design in the new movie understand these points and make a proper Pred.
With CH, it always looked more like he was a different individual rather than inconsistent design, the anatomy of the bones in the mouth and mandibles was still the same
Yeah there were points that I disagreed with FX but he did bring up the point that the flaps are there for a biological purpose and thats to keep the mouth moist so there should have been more skin on the mandibles for CH and future Predator designs. Its basically Predator facial cheeks.
Yeah, I can't deny that he has a lack of cheek skin, he could have still have the added fangs on the mandible but have em covered
New video by CorderyFX covers that very well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNiLv8wBJX4
Well, yeah, we are talking about it rn :p
:D
Damn after beating this drum for so long, it really feels good to have some bigger media influencers get in the game! :)
::)
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Feb 21, 2021, 04:08:51 AM
Quote from: Pearlhead on Feb 21, 2021, 03:54:00 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Feb 21, 2021, 03:43:14 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 21, 2021, 03:31:20 AM
Quote from: PAS Spinelli on Feb 21, 2021, 03:24:23 AM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Feb 21, 2021, 02:38:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNiLv8wBJX4
I think you might like this Voodoo. He brought up a point even about City Hunter that I didn't even think about, it lacked the skin on the mandibles that would help close the mouth more. Hope whoever works on the Predator design in the new movie understand these points and make a proper Pred.
With CH, it always looked more like he was a different individual rather than inconsistent design, the anatomy of the bones in the mouth and mandibles was still the same
Yeah there were points that I disagreed with FX but he did bring up the point that the flaps are there for a biological purpose and thats to keep the mouth moist so there should have been more skin on the mandibles for CH and future Predator designs. Its basically Predator facial cheeks.
Yeah, I can't deny that he has a lack of cheek skin, he could have still have the added fangs on the mandible but have em covered
New video by CorderyFX covers that very well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNiLv8wBJX4
Well, yeah, we are talking about it rn :p
Haha, I missed that. Lack of decent sleep in a week does that to ya :P
Quote from: Evanus on Feb 20, 2021, 11:56:07 PM1992: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
1997: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
2012: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
2017: Oh no this film totally ruined the franchise
Lol yeah.
There are entries I like and entries I don't, but none of them actively ruined what came before.
(Except
ACM, turning Hicks into Turk in
Alien 3.)
Another VFX team I wouldn't mind working on P5
https://www.dneg.com/
Quote from: Pearlhead on Feb 21, 2021, 03:54:00 AM
New video by CorderyFX covers that very well
god no it doesn't
Quote from: ace3g on Feb 25, 2021, 02:50:59 AM
Another VFX team I wouldn't mind working on P5
https://www.dneg.com/
Nice choice ace!
Wouldn't it be wild that, after all this concern over the practical effects and who's doing it, they decide to go with a fully digital Predator ala the Upgrade Assasin, but better (hopefully).
Given how this is obviously going to be a small(er) budget film, I'd be surprised if they went full CGI.
Yeah, it definitely would catch many of us by surprise I think. Would be interesting what you could do with him, moving through the trees etc., with the right talent behind it though.
I'm genuinely curious as to what the price difference would be between the costs of developing a suit and getting the performance, compared to creating and animated a digital one.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 25, 2021, 12:33:41 PMWould be interesting what you could do with him, moving through the trees etc., with the right talent behind it though.
I wouldn't be surprised if we see
some CGI Predator, but on the whole I imagine using a suit will be cheaper - and quicker - than going full CGI.
It depends on what they want it to do. Upgrade could've been practical, but Black's directing style would've made that prohibitively expensive.
If it's a regular Predator doing regular Predator things, mix of practical and cg are the likely options.
Man in a suit technology was used originally because it's cheap and efficient, and that has not significantly changed in 34 years for something like the Predator. If it looks like a guy in a suit, just put a guy in a suit.
Quote from: SiL on Feb 25, 2021, 01:03:40 PM
It depends on what they want it to do.
Ditto
I imagine a low budget dictates they cannot really do any super shenanigans... which is actually beneficial
gimme some practical Pred roaring in the MC's face
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2021, 12:57:41 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 25, 2021, 12:57:41 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 25, 2021, 12:33:41 PMWould be interesting what you could do with him, moving through the trees etc., with the right talent behind it though.
I wouldn't be surprised if we see some CGI Predator, but on the whole I imagine using a suit will be cheaper - and quicker - than going full CGI.
What's nice is a period piece filming in gorgeous Alberta Canada likely means not much else in the film would require CG.
(https://patch.com/img/cdn20/users/221557/20170410/033813/styles/raw/public/article_images/alberta-canada-1491852959-3354.jpg)
And if they take this to the
not-appearing-to-be-a-Predator-film hilt in the terms of disguising the creature as a ghostly supernatural entity (camouflage) until perhaps a short reveal at the end, I could see that minimal usage temper the CG cost and allow them to go full CG if Dan wanted to. But who knows what the budget will allow, what circustances Aison's script calls for, and what Trachtenberg's vision is requiring.
I'd imagine if we get any CG Predator it'll be for its appearances while cloaked and/or leaping or climbing in a way that a human performer couldn't, a la AVPR. But if there's any at all it'll be used sparingly, with a practical Predator being what we'll see 99% of the time.
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/93bec495bb3972b2225e9074d540881d/tumblr_inline_org14ubrgP1reik6y_540.gif)
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HideousHastyBlueandgoldmackaw-small.gif)
(https://j.gifs.com/vV8lVq.gif)
Make the vision look more like this again.
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 25, 2021, 09:08:07 PM
https://64.media.tumblr.com/93bec495bb3972b2225e9074d540881d/tumblr_inline_org14ubrgP1reik6y_540.gif
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HideousHastyBlueandgoldmackaw-small.gif
https://j.gifs.com/vV8lVq.gif
Make the vision look more like this again.
100% - other than the face/mouth design, this has been my main complaint.
You know, the best thing about those vision modes is that he'll always know who farted.
Quote from: Huggs on Feb 26, 2021, 12:39:00 AM
You know, the best thing about those vision modes is that he'll always know who farted.
I bet Predators get a kick out of making fart jokes.
"When frightened, oomans emit a defensive odor. Your masks contain filters that will neutralize its offensive nature. Go forth, and hunt with honor"
https://youtu.be/t2PoPh2B9qo
Quote from: 426Buddy on Feb 26, 2021, 02:02:48 AM
https://youtu.be/t2PoPh2B9qo
Over 10 Million views. Who knew there would be such an interest for this such a thing. :laugh:
Quote from: ace3g on Feb 25, 2021, 09:36:47 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 25, 2021, 09:08:07 PM
https://64.media.tumblr.com/93bec495bb3972b2225e9074d540881d/tumblr_inline_org14ubrgP1reik6y_540.gif
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HideousHastyBlueandgoldmackaw-small.gif
https://j.gifs.com/vV8lVq.gif
Make the vision look more like this again.
100% - other than the face/mouth design, this has been my main complaint.
Right??!
Great post TQ!!!
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Quote from: Huggs on Feb 26, 2021, 12:39:00 AM
You know, the best thing about those vision modes is that he'll always know who farted.
People fart a lot. Now we know why they are such good hunters. But the Xeno... do xenofarts exist?
Quote from: Trash Queen on Feb 25, 2021, 09:08:07 PM
https://64.media.tumblr.com/93bec495bb3972b2225e9074d540881d/tumblr_inline_org14ubrgP1reik6y_540.gif
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HideousHastyBlueandgoldmackaw-small.gif
https://j.gifs.com/vV8lVq.gif
Make the vision look more like this again.
+ 100000
Knowing that we will have a more ancient predator, perfect excuse to bring those types of vision back !
Just noticed the penultimate vision City Hunter cycles through's the one from AVP 2004.
Also Jungle Hunter's unmasked vision please:
(https://www.avpcentral.com/images/predator-vision/regular-vision.png)
This stuff's part of the pulp and appeal of the Predator itself.
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/1183zZQ4l16WfS/giphy.gif)
I too would like Jungle Hunter's unmasked vision to return as well, but only used sparingly. To my eyes, I do believe there was a little too much of it used in the fight with Dutch...
About the only thing that genuinely pisses me off in Predator 2 is that they got the unmasked vision wrong.
It's one of those goofs that in the grand scheme isn't terribly significant but for some reason really grates with me personally.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2021, 04:05:42 PM
About the only thing that genuinely pisses me off in Predator 2 is that they got the unmasked vision wrong.
It's one of those goofs that in the grand scheme isn't terribly significant but for some reason really grates with me personally.
Even more so when Vader is unmasked..?
I'm okay with it. Would I prefer it to match, certainly, but the thermal vision has been a bit fugazi since the beginning anyway so it doesn't really bother me. :)
It also bothers me.
it also bothers me, sure, the normal Pred vision is already heat based, but the biomask version is meant to help them see with it better, not to be the exact same, I personally like what Predators did with the normal Predator vision
It was one of the things I really did smile about when I saw Predators for the first time - the throwback to the red vision.
True. The red vision was done right, but other vision modes were quite horrid.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2021, 04:05:42 PM
About the only thing that genuinely pisses me off in Predator 2 is that they got the unmasked vision wrong.
It's one of those goofs that in the grand scheme isn't terribly significant but for some reason really grates with me personally.
Haha same! It's always bugged me!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Feb 26, 2021, 04:05:42 PM
About the only thing that genuinely pisses me off in Predator 2 is that they got the unmasked vision wrong.
It's one of those goofs that in the grand scheme isn't terribly significant but for some reason really grates with me personally.
A shame it was never corrected on DVD or Blu-Ray with special editions. I'm sure it could be an easy fix tech wise.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2021, 07:23:05 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 20, 2020, 10:14:58 PM
I expect crabators.
Expect SKULLS.
Bring your melted butter, just to be safe.
(https://tipbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/Crab-Claws-1.jpg)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 27, 2021, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2021, 07:23:05 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 20, 2020, 10:14:58 PM
I expect crabators.
Expect SKULLS.
Bring your melted butter, just to be safe.
(https://tipbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/Crab-Claws-1.jpg)
Expect both; a translucent crabator head so you can see a skull.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 27, 2021, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2021, 07:23:05 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 20, 2020, 10:14:58 PM
I expect crabators.
Expect SKULLS.
Bring your melted butter, just to be safe.
(https://tipbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/Crab-Claws-1.jpg)
Goddamn I am angry that crab/shrimp/etc is currently off limits for me.
Looks tasty.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 27, 2021, 10:22:28 PM
Expect both; a translucent crabator head so you can see a skull.
Yep, Local will be hitting the ice-cream again.
Can't blame him either. :-\
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/5yuC2vIsQJdoA/giphy.gif)
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 27, 2021, 10:37:07 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 27, 2021, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 27, 2021, 07:23:05 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Nov 20, 2020, 10:14:58 PM
I expect crabators.
Expect SKULLS.
Bring your melted butter, just to be safe.
(https://tipbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/Crab-Claws-1.jpg)
Goddamn I am angry that crab/shrimp/etc is currently off limits for me.
How come?
Maybe Mr. Magic should change the name of this thread (and entire subforum) to 'Crabator 5' for now in order to highlight the concerns regarding this issue to the filmmakers and general public.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 28, 2021, 04:38:38 PM
Maybe Mr. Magic should change the name of this thread (and entire subforum) to 'Crabator 5' for now in order to highlight the concerns regarding this issue to the filmmakers and general public.
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/73iHZqxHAWcPC/source.gif)
Mfw climbing out of this thread to escape from the pro-ADI and anti-ADI sectarian violence.
Escape??
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/y8nAwsdR5zTKE/giphy.gif)
;)
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 28, 2021, 04:38:37 PM
Maybe Mr. Magic should change the name of this thread (and entire subforum) to 'Crabator 5' for now in order to highlight the concerns regarding this issue to the filmmakers and general public.
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/3o85xr9ZKY1wbbJXDW/giphy.gif)
Meanwhile also me in the Marvel Alien thread:
(https://i.imgur.com/PKbtgzd.gif)
"Post again."
I wasn't aware that there were pro-crabatists on these boards. Is it a contentious issue then, like the visibility/non-visibility of the Internecivus Raptus cranium?
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 28, 2021, 05:37:10 PM
contentious issue ... Internecivus Raptus
Yes, that shit name is very contentious thank you for bringing it up.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 28, 2021, 04:13:13 PM
How come?
Conflict with medication. I live at a beach but can't eat sea food any more.
Tuck me in, let me die.
Definitely ~
(https://s4.gifyu.com/images/d4743480-a97f-4fc1-9905-48b983310340.gif)
Uh huh.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Feb 28, 2021, 07:29:23 PM
Definitely ~
https://s4.gifyu.com/images/d4743480-a97f-4fc1-9905-48b983310340.gif
I hate this so much
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Feb 28, 2021, 05:37:10 PM
I wasn't aware that there were pro-crabatists on these boards. Is it a contentious issue then, like the visibility/non-visibility of the Internecivus Raptus cranium?
I know people that don't mind it, seeing to how as long as the it looks like the Predator, its fine to them. But actually defending the broken jaw look? Yeah, this is a dozy for me.
Guess I gotta hunt down some heretics.
:laugh:
Quote from: [cancerblack] on Feb 28, 2021, 06:45:01 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Feb 28, 2021, 04:13:13 PM
How come?
Conflict with medication. I live at a beach but can't eat sea food any more.
Tuck me in, let me die.
Ugh. That sucks. The eating part.
The living at the beach part, I'm jealous of!
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 01, 2021, 04:05:35 AM
But actually defending the broken jaw look? Yeah, this is a dozy for me.
Guess I gotta hunt down some heretics.
An inquisition needs to be held. I'm busy screening new members.
Why does this thread show as "New Crabator movie" in the forum index for me :laugh:
Eighth Passenger being cheeky.
;D
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2021, 08:18:23 PM
Why does this thread show as "New Crabator movie" in the forum index for me :laugh:
Not sure if it's a bug or not, but anyone can edit the thread subject now.
Though the edit only shows up in the forum index and returns back to normal after a new post.
I thought viral marketing techniques were dead.
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2021, 08:18:23 PM
Why does this thread show as "New Crabator movie" in the forum index for me :laugh:
Thought I was goin crazy.
Quote from: The Eighth Passenger on Mar 01, 2021, 09:00:03 PM
;D
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2021, 08:18:23 PM
Why does this thread show as "New Crabator movie" in the forum index for me :laugh:
Not sure if it's a bug or not, but anyone can edit the thread subject now.
Though the edit only shows up in the forum index and returns back to normal after a new post.
For reals? :o
For the record...
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AngryEuphoricCuttlefish-max-1mb.gif)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 02, 2021, 02:18:03 PM
For the record...
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AngryEuphoricCuttlefish-max-1mb.gif
...Where's Local Trouble got to?
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/6d982356e0ba59437eb1535a7844b6aa/tumblr_nnipe9ZJLl1rwuq4jo1_500.gif)
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 02, 2021, 04:16:12 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 02, 2021, 02:18:03 PM
For the record...
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AngryEuphoricCuttlefish-max-1mb.gif
...Where's Local Trouble got to?
https://64.media.tumblr.com/6d982356e0ba59437eb1535a7844b6aa/tumblr_nnipe9ZJLl1rwuq4jo1_500.gif
Doing what he does best, making and getting himself into trouble.
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 06, 2021, 05:51:48 PM
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 02, 2021, 04:16:12 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Mar 02, 2021, 02:18:03 PM
For the record...
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AngryEuphoricCuttlefish-max-1mb.gif
...Where's Local Trouble got to?
https://64.media.tumblr.com/6d982356e0ba59437eb1535a7844b6aa/tumblr_nnipe9ZJLl1rwuq4jo1_500.gif
Doing what he does best, making and getting himself into trouble.
Locally of course...
Quote from: Trash Queen on Mar 02, 2021, 04:16:12 PM
...Where's Local Trouble got to?
https://64.media.tumblr.com/6d982356e0ba59437eb1535a7844b6aa/tumblr_nnipe9ZJLl1rwuq4jo1_500.gif
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/NRLWmXSrxx9e4Jg7Fk/giphy.gif)
Local Trouble POV
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Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2021, 08:18:23 PM
Why does this thread show as "New Crabator movie" in the forum index for me :laugh:
I wonder if "New AUTISM JUNKIE movie" would be too offensive. :-\
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2021, 02:02:15 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2021, 08:18:23 PM
Why does this thread show as "New Crabator movie" in the forum index for me :laugh:
I wonder if "New AUTISM JUNKIE movie" would be too offensive. :-\
I just realized this plays into the whole "vaccines causes autism" conspiracy shit that many people subscribe to before COVID smacked us in the fanny but with a sci-fi twist. (Funny how that conspiracy dropped when COVID did hit?)
f**king hell, yeah man just inject the autism in ya and there ya go, now you too are now empowered with autism.......bloody hell this movie is poison to both the series and the human mind.
Quote from: Local Trouble on May 21, 2020, 12:27:34 AM
Just to make it more offensive, I'm surprised that Shane Black didn't write Olivia Munn as a heroic anti-vaxxer.
Quote from: SiL on May 21, 2020, 12:34:10 AM
The climax of the film would be her trading the boy for some vaccines, saying "These will do the same thing."
Lmao
This whole thing actually quite painful...
Quote from: 426Buddy on Mar 27, 2021, 01:10:00 PM
This whole thing actually quite painful...
Oh, haven't I told I'm masochist ?
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 27, 2021, 04:23:36 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2021, 02:02:15 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2021, 08:18:23 PM
Why does this thread show as "New Crabator movie" in the forum index for me :laugh:
I wonder if "New AUTISM JUNKIE movie" would be too offensive. :-\
I just realized this plays into the whole "vaccines causes autism" conspiracy shit that many people subscribe to before COVID smacked us in the fanny but with a sci-fi twist. (Funny how that conspiracy dropped when COVID did hit?)
Flat Earthers are a joke, but anti-vax can be f**king dangerous.
Quote from: Immortan Jonesy on Mar 27, 2021, 10:14:04 PM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Mar 27, 2021, 04:23:36 AM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Mar 27, 2021, 02:02:15 AM
Quote from: SiL on Mar 01, 2021, 08:18:23 PM
Why does this thread show as "New Crabator movie" in the forum index for me :laugh:
I wonder if "New AUTISM JUNKIE movie" would be too offensive. :-\
I just realized this plays into the whole "vaccines causes autism" conspiracy shit that many people subscribe to before COVID smacked us in the fanny but with a sci-fi twist. (Funny how that conspiracy dropped when COVID did hit?)
Flat Earthers are a joke, but anti-vax can be f**king dangerous.
Indeed, which is why I just find this revelation all the more atrocious. Everything in this film is just shit and I'm sorry but I still can't understand anyone try to like this film after this and other issues this film had. It just had too much rot all over for it to even be enjoyable even as a "its so bad its good film"
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Apr 03, 2021, 07:34:32 PM
Indeed, which is why I just find this revelation all the more atrocious. Everything in this film is just shit and I'm sorry but I still can't understand anyone try to like this film after this and other issues this film had. It just had too much rot all over for it to even be enjoyable even as a "its so bad its good film"
Eh, I can easily say the same thing about AVPR. Meet you in 10 years
AVPR is like meat and potatoes. It isn't exactly the most exciting meal, but it satisfies the needs and it's made with love.
The Predator is like a piece of sh*t. An actual turd you were fooled into eating, and the person who cooked it hates you, and wants you dead.
It's made by abuser fanboys and stars an actual in real life murder suicide as our main actor. It is around as far from love as it gets. And being Irish I take great offence to the comparison to the lovely potato.
All the necessary ingredients for a classic.
Both actually suck's basically my point of view.
Both showcase outdated garbage.
But I find the crossover far more offensive personally speaking.
The Predator actually has a tiny bit of good cinematographic elements, while AVP-R has none.
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 03, 2021, 07:50:51 PM
AVPR is like meat and potatoes. It isn't exactly the most exciting meal, but it satisfies the needs and it's made with love.
Mystery meat and potatoes made with
love ♡
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 03, 2021, 07:50:51 PM
AVPR is like meat and potatoes. It isn't exactly the most exciting meal, but it satisfies the needs and it's made with love.
The Predator is like a piece of sh*t. An actual turd you were fooled into eating, and the person who cooked it hates you, and wants you dead.
(https://i.imgur.com/RbZrRBX.jpg)
It is garbage lol :D
I don't know which piece of sh*t taste worse but I do know it's not worth debating.
You're right, no matter who wins we lose, and ultimately this forum's not for that discussion.
Haven't you already ranked them both in the garbage tier?
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 03, 2021, 07:50:51 PM
AVPR is like meat and potatoes. It isn't exactly the most exciting meal, but it satisfies the needs and it's made with love.
The Predator is like a piece of sh*t. An actual turd you were fooled into eating, and the person who cooked it hates you, and wants you dead.
I thought AVPR was a fine wine ? I'm so confused ???
Also, meet you in 10 years
Let's get back to talking "Skulls" on this thread ladies and gents! :)
Quote from: Kradan on Apr 03, 2021, 07:42:26 PM
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Apr 03, 2021, 07:34:32 PM
Indeed, which is why I just find this revelation all the more atrocious. Everything in this film is just shit and I'm sorry but I still can't understand anyone try to like this film after this and other issues this film had. It just had too much rot all over for it to even be enjoyable even as a "its so bad its good film"
Eh, I can easily say the same thing about AVPR. Meet you in 10 years
The only positive thing both films have is great Predator designs minus the facial structure, Wolf and Fugitive. Other than that, AVPR is too dark for me to even notice what the film had going on, so meh, you are going to be disappointed in 10 years.
Quote from: Huggs on Apr 03, 2021, 07:50:51 PM
AVPR is like meat and potatoes. It isn't exactly the most exciting meal, but it satisfies the needs and it's made with love.
AvPR is tofu and seitan claiming to be meat and potato.
QuoteThe Predator is like a piece of sh*t. An actual turd you were fooled into eating, and the person who cooked it hates you, and wants you dead.
yes
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 04, 2021, 12:17:13 PM
Let's get back to talking "Skulls" on this thread ladies and gents! :)
I don't like that title. >:(
You love it bitch.
Das Leben ist kein Ponyhof
Ist das so ?
Hahaha <3
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 04, 2021, 09:03:03 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 04, 2021, 12:17:13 PM
Let's get back to talking "Skulls" on this thread ladies and gents! :)
I don't like that title. >:(
Too on the nose of what the film implies perhaps?
It's just its production codename. And yes, as a title all on its own, it sucks. But since it's just a working title, it's fine. No way it was/is ever planned to just be called "Skulls" any more than the 2014 Godzilla was going to be called "Nautilus."
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Apr 05, 2021, 05:07:16 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 04, 2021, 09:03:03 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 04, 2021, 12:17:13 PM
Let's get back to talking "Skulls" on this thread ladies and gents! :)
I don't like that title. >:(
Too on the nose of what the film implies perhaps?
What I think Local means is he prefers the title "CRABATOR". :laugh:
Quote from: Kailem on Apr 05, 2021, 05:23:28 PM
It's just its production codename. And yes, as a title all on its own, it sucks. But since it's just a working title, it's fine. No way it was/is ever planned to just be called "Skulls" any more than the 2014 Godzilla was going to be called "Nautilus."
I see you're speaking in the definitive here, but don't be so certain my friend.
After Split, not Unbreakable 2, Jigsaw not Saw, The Dark Knight not Batman, Man of Steel not Superman, Prometheus not Alien etc. etc etc... and considering Dan Trachtenberg pubically admitted this being a Predator film was supposed to be a surprise... it is 100% conceivable that this film was going to be released as "Skulls" and maybe still will. (I hope so!)
Also, one day, I hope they release a new Alien film simply titled "The Perfect Organism"! :)
Yeah I like this title too !
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 03, 2021, 08:56:38 PMThe Predator actually has a tiny bit of good cinematographic elements, while AVP-R has none.
This.
Some of
The Predator is undeniably shit, but bits of it are really good.
All of
Requiem is undeniably shit.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 05, 2021, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 03, 2021, 08:56:38 PMThe Predator actually has a tiny bit of good cinematographic elements, while AVP-R has none.
This.
Some of The Predator is undeniably shit, but bits of it are really good.
All of Requiem is undeniably shit.
You, sir, are a good man ;)
Come on guys, you can continue the match between the so-so film "The Predator" and the wonderful "AvP-R" right here: ;D
The Predator VS AVPR
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=61520
Thanks!
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 05, 2021, 06:06:24 PMQuote from: Kailem on Apr 05, 2021, 05:23:28 PM
It's just its production codename. And yes, as a title all on its own, it sucks. But since it's just a working title, it's fine. No way it was/is ever planned to just be called "Skulls" any more than the 2014 Godzilla was going to be called "Nautilus."
I see you're speaking in the definitive here, but don't be so certain my friend.
After Split, not Unbreakable 2, Jigsaw not Saw, The Dark Knight not Batman, Man of Steel not Superman, Prometheus not Alien etc. etc etc... and considering Dan Trachtenberg pubically admitted this being a Predator film was supposed to be a surprise... it is 100% conceivable that this film was going to be released as "Skulls" and maybe still will. (I hope so!)
It's certainly possible, but all those have qualifiers. Split's....
Spoiler
....connection to Unbreakable was a trademark Shyamalan secret twist ending that's only revealed in the final 10 seconds of the movie,....
...., Dark Knight and Man of Steel are both synonymous with Batman and Superman respectively, and after a billion Saw movies establishing it as a major horror franchise if you hear there's a horror movie coming out called "Jigsaw" you'd immediately know of its connection (same with the TV show "Chucky" that's in the works, or that "Leatherface" was a Texas Chainsaw Massacre film).
And Prometheus originally had all manner of titles with "Alien" in them until they decided to shift it away from being a direct prequel to the original film and something else set in the same universe.
"Skulls" doesn't have any sort of connection to Predators as a title other than being a nice little nod if you're in the know, same as if it were called "Spines" or "Three Red Dots" or "Really Needs a Manicure."
I think it's certainly possible it could be released with a title that doesn't have "Predator" in it, I just don't think it would have been "Skulls" either way, especially not now that the secret has been spoiled anyway.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 05, 2021, 06:06:24 PMQuote from: Kailem on Apr 05, 2021, 05:23:28 PMAlso, one day, I hope they release a new Alien film simply titled "The Perfect Organism"! :)
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Quote from: Mr.Turok on Apr 05, 2021, 05:07:16 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 04, 2021, 09:03:03 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 04, 2021, 12:17:13 PM
Let's get back to talking "Skulls" on this thread ladies and gents! :)
I don't like that title. >:(
Too on the nose of what the film implies perhaps?
Local is very anti-skull when it comes to Aliens.
:laugh:
Why didn't I make that connection?
((facepalm))
Quote from: Kailem on Apr 05, 2021, 08:12:03 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 05, 2021, 06:06:24 PMQuote from: Kailem on Apr 05, 2021, 05:23:28 PM
It's just its production codename. And yes, as a title all on its own, it sucks. But since it's just a working title, it's fine. No way it was/is ever planned to just be called "Skulls" any more than the 2014 Godzilla was going to be called "Nautilus."
I see you're speaking in the definitive here, but don't be so certain my friend.
After Split, not Unbreakable 2, Jigsaw not Saw, The Dark Knight not Batman, Man of Steel not Superman, Prometheus not Alien etc. etc etc... and considering Dan Trachtenberg pubically admitted this being a Predator film was supposed to be a surprise... it is 100% conceivable that this film was going to be released as "Skulls" and maybe still will. (I hope so!)
It's certainly possible, but all those have qualifiers. Split's....Spoiler
....connection to Unbreakable was a trademark Shyamalan secret twist ending that's only revealed in the final 10 seconds of the movie,....
And Prometheus originally had all manner of titles with "Alien" in them until they decided to shift it away from being a direct prequel to the original film and something else set in the same universe.
Nah, to me that's thin. Me thinks you're stretching to give them all "qualifiers". U.S. Marshals. Creed. Army Of Darkness. The Color Of Money. This Is 40. Take your pick. They all can't be special situations to discount the possibility of a Skulls title for our new Predator film in my humble opinion.
Will it happen? Who knows, but I think it's very possible and a smart marketing decision to further separate itself from the bad taste "The Predator" left in so many mouths. So fingers crossed! :)
Quote"Skulls" doesn't have any sort of connection to Predators as a title other than being a nice little nod if you're in the know, same as if it were called "Spines" or "Three Red Dots" or "Really Needs a Manicure."
::)
Quote from: Kailem on Apr 05, 2021, 05:23:28 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 05, 2021, 06:06:24 PMAlso, one day, I hope they release a new Alien film simply titled "The Perfect Organism"! :)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8e/5b/46/8e5b46569d1f4a1338f5c36aff060b4b.gif)
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Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 05, 2021, 08:35:42 PMNah, to me that's thin. Me thinks you're stretching to give them all "qualifiers". U.S. Marshals. Creed. Army Of Darkness. The Color Of Money. This Is 40. Take your pick. They all can't be special situations to discount the possibility of a Skulls title for our new Predator film in my humble opinion.
Will it happen? Who knows, but I think it's very possible and a smart marketing decision to further separate itself from the bad taste "The Predator" left in so many mouths. So fingers crossed! :)
Many of those are just sequels to a single movie though, not franchises, where at a certain point the franchise name is what helps sell it. But you're right in that it'd definitely be good to separate itself from The Predator as much as possible, and many of those previous movies that dropped their franchise/main character names came with reboots or semi-reboots. So if it was going to happen, it'd happen now.
But I just think "Skulls" on its own sucks as a title either way. :laugh:
Besides, if they went with that then they'd only be painting themselves into a corner when it came to the inevitable soft reboot in a decade or so's time, "
The Skulls"; it's taken!
(https://www.uphe.com/sites/default/files/styles/scale__344w_/public/2019/01/TheSkulls_PosterArt_025192078224.png)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 05, 2021, 08:35:42 PM
Quote from: Kailem on Apr 05, 2021, 05:23:28 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 05, 2021, 06:06:24 PMAlso, one day, I hope they release a new Alien film simply titled "The Perfect Organism"! :)
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8e/5b/46/8e5b46569d1f4a1338f5c36aff060b4b.gif
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/07/0c/55/070c5514a13125dabb854113f8a117cc.gif
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/db8f7c40cd6d284c3fa37db6207dd8ad/tenor.gif?itemid=13072859)(https://i.imgur.com/ZTI0SXK.gif?noredirect)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 05, 2021, 06:06:24 PM
What I think Local means is he prefers the title "CRABATOR". :laugh:
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Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 05, 2021, 09:28:31 PM
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 05, 2021, 06:06:24 PM
What I think Local means is he prefers the title "CRABATOR". :laugh:
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Can I suggest someone who'd be perfect to do those practical fx? ;D
Quote from: Kailem on Apr 05, 2021, 08:55:05 PM
Besides, if they went with that then they'd only be painting themselves into a corner when it came to the inevitable soft reboot in a decade or so's time, "The Skulls"; it's taken!
:laugh:
Still perfect. But I don't dig that hypothetical title.
(https://www.lulu-berlu.com/upload/image/masters-of-the-universe--loose----clawful-p-image-381155-grande.jpg)
YEAH BABY YEAH
(https://www.he-man.org/assets/images/collect_toy/monstoid-crabor01_full.png)
I had Spydor tho
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 05, 2021, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 03, 2021, 08:56:38 PMThe Predator actually has a tiny bit of good cinematographic elements, while AVP-R has none.
This.
Some of The Predator is undeniably shit, but bits of it are really good.
All of Requiem is undeniably shit.
Have to disagree there
The Predator was absolute shit through and through
Requiem was somewhat watchable when the focus was on Wolf, not on the teen drama
I suspect much of the hate directed at Requiem by Alien fans is traced to how Wolf slaughters Aliens left and right in that film. Yes, those fights could've been handled much better...but while Requiem was a bad but sincere attempt, The Predator was a horrendous joke I could barely sit through.
Quote from: happypred on May 20, 2021, 05:54:33 PM
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Apr 05, 2021, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Apr 03, 2021, 08:56:38 PMThe Predator actually has a tiny bit of good cinematographic elements, while AVP-R has none.
This.
Some of The Predator is undeniably shit, but bits of it are really good.
All of Requiem is undeniably shit.
Have to disagree there
The Predator was absolute shit through and through
Requiem was somewhat watchable when the focus was on Wolf, not on the teen drama
I suspect much of the hate directed at Requiem by Alien fans is traced to how Wolf slaughters Aliens left and right in that film. Yes, those fights could've been handled much better...but while Requiem was a bad but sincere attempt, The Predator was a horrendous joke I could barely sit through.
Have to disagree also.
Wolf looks, moves and acts like utter shit. Goes double for the Aliens. At least the (awfully acted) human scenes are vaguely reminiscent of stuff like The Blob or Critters.
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Apr 05, 2021, 07:20:46 PM
-you can continue the match between the so-so film "The Predator" and the wonderful "AvP-R" right here: ;D
The Predator VS AVPR
https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=61520
Thanks!
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Why anyone devotes time to viewing or defending either's beyond me as a waste of your finite life.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 20, 2021, 08:23:08 PM
https://memegenerator.net/img/images/16178779.jpg
:laugh:
Maybe some more hindsight is 20/20 but Trachtenberg not only recently started to follow Amber Midthunder on Twitter but also composer Chris Westlake.
IMDb page: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1277945/
Some of his work
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Don't ya know that Alan Silvestri is coming back! 🤞 ;D
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 23, 2021, 12:21:55 PM
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Don't ya know that Alan Silvestri is coming back! 🤞 ;D
I wish but their budget seems to be low.🤞
I fear a Syfy channel type of cast now, hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 23, 2021, 08:12:48 PM
I fear a Syfy channel type of cast now, hope I'm wrong.
Maybe they will use most of the money on the creature effects.
Quote from: Yautja888 on May 23, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 23, 2021, 08:12:48 PM
I fear a Syfy channel type of cast now, hope I'm wrong.
Maybe they will use most of the money on the creature effects.
Yeah I'm conflicted about that. If it means a great looking predator and all that ensues, great but if it cheapens the cast...
On the other hand, if we have a better and a less convincing creature...
A cast of relative unknowns doesn't automatically mean the acting will be crap.
The idea they'd get a cheap cast to spend more money on the Predator is deeply optimistic :laugh:
For what it's worth - what we've heard of the budget isn't really cheap. If what we've heard is true, it's not being made on the AvP/R/Predators cheap.
Other than Noland's death, I didn't think Predators looked cheap at all.
Nor did AVP really - say what you like about the movie, Anderson made it look like it cost a lot more than it did.
For sure. Both made good use of their budgets (AvP especially) - but they were made on the cheap.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on May 24, 2021, 09:57:33 AM
For what it's worth - what we've heard of the budget isn't really cheap. If what we've heard is true, it's not being made on the AvP/R/Predators cheap.
If what you've heard is right that's really good news. I had it in my head this would be a 25/35 million dollar flick. If it's potentially double that, I think the filmmakers could do a helluva lot with that.
Quote from: HuDaFuK on May 24, 2021, 09:03:46 AM
A cast of relative unknowns doesn't automatically mean the acting will be crap.
I would believe relatively unknowns seem to go with the territory with what appears to be an entirely native American cast.
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 23, 2021, 08:12:48 PM
I fear a Syfy channel type of cast now, hope I'm wrong.
Truth be told, this is the fear that instilled in me while researching Amber's performances. Watching her took me back to the television show Marvel's Agents of Shield, where I kept getting frustrated when every week's new guest star could act ten times better than the show's young and beautiful cast.
But who cares! They're hot! :-\
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on May 24, 2021, 12:22:49 PM
Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on May 23, 2021, 08:12:48 PM
I fear a Syfy channel type of cast now, hope I'm wrong.
Truth be told, this is the fear that instilled in me while researching Amber's performances. Watching her took me back to the television show Marvel's Agents of Shield, where I kept getting frustrated when every week's new guest star could act ten times better than the show's young and beautiful cast. But who cares! They're hot! :-\
Exactly. I can't wait to know who will be announced next, see if fear is legitimized.
Quote from: [cancerblack] on May 20, 2021, 07:59:27 PM
Have to disagree also.
Wolf looks, moves and acts like utter shit. Goes double for the Aliens. At least the (awfully acted) human scenes are vaguely reminiscent of stuff like The Blob or Critters.
Wolf looked and moved much better than the trio in AvP1. He looked great with his mask on, and he didn't feel bulky and lumbering like the AvP youngbloods.
Alien fans dislike Wolf because he waltzed through double-digit xenomorphs and made them look weak in comparison. The frustration is understandable, as Requiem's fight storyboards were very poorly thought-out...the double neck-choking scene in the sewer was particularly egregious.
But if you look at Requiem and The Predator holistically (not just through the lens of "did it make my Aliens look impotent"), the former is a deeply flawed movie...the latter intentionally made a joke out of the source material. The bizarre global warming/autistic DNA angle, Traeger blowing off his own head, the two impaled jokers shooting each other, and predator Lassie were worse than any eye-rolling teen-drama scene in Requiem.
Most Predator fans seen to acknowledge Wolf only made it as long as he did because the Aliens did nothing. He didn't make the Aliens look bad; they made him look good.
I find the early sequences with Fugitive fair more entertaining than anything Wolf did in Requiem.
Quote from: happypred on Jun 23, 2021, 05:43:44 AMAlien fans dislike Wolf because he waltzed through double-digit xenomorphs and made them look weak in comparison.
I'm an Alien fan, and I dislike Wolf because he was a moron. He had one job, he utterly failed at it, and he just made things consistently worse throughout the movie with his incompetence. But yeah, let's call him a badass.
Like SiL says, people don't disregard Wolf because he wades through Aliens like they're wet cardboard, what pisses many of us off is the fact the Aliens are portrayed
as wet cardboard. Seriously, every time ol' Wolfie grabs one to strike a silly pose it completely forgets it has claws, teeth and a tail with which it could lash out and just hangs there doing nothing for the photo op. It's like watching someone beat up a guy in a wheelchair.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 23, 2021, 07:50:55 AMI find the early sequences with Fugitive fair more entertaining than anything Wolf did in Requiem.
Word.
Either way you pick a film in on the joke, or one that thinks it's the greatest thing since the original classics, what one you find more entertaining's up to you but one of them's the worst film in either franchise.
I find the crossover a hair more insufferable personally because when it comes to endearing people on screen, and continuous story absurdities, with over the top action The Predator wins.
The one good thing about Requiem being it's got the decency to make itself inconsequential by the ending, but otherwise it is the lowest either franchise has ever been brought, there's not an element of it that's not a disgrace.
Quote from: happypred on Jun 23, 2021, 05:43:44 AM
Wolf looked and moved much better than the trio in AvP1. He looked great with his mask on, and he didn't feel bulky and lumbering like the AvP youngbloods.
Yes! 100% Agreed.
QuoteAlien fans dislike Wolf because he waltzed through double-digit xenomorphs and made them look weak in comparison. The frustration is understandable, as Requiem's fight storyboards were very poorly thought-out...the double neck-choking scene in the sewer was particularly egregious.
But if you look at Requiem and The Predator holistically (not just through the lens of "did it make my Aliens look impotent"), the former is a deeply flawed movie...the latter intentionally made a joke out of the source material. The bizarre global warming/autistic DNA angle, Traeger blowing off his own head, the two impaled jokers shooting each other, and predator Lassie were worse than any eye-rolling teen-drama scene in Requiem.
As the first Predator-over-Alien fan to reply to you :laugh: I agree with all of this.
Yes, from my point of view, it's been my experience that a lot of Xenofans felt the Aliens were deeply disrespected in AvPR. Even in the context of Wolf being 10 times the Colonial Marine in agility, strength, endurance, ability and its understanding of the opponent, Wolf grabbing their necks and expressing his dominance was just too over-the-top to dismiss. And I get that.
Then, as with anything we like or dislike and feel passionately about, we forgive or find its faults accordingly. What follows is Wolf
didn't do anything, or
is an idiot, or
events would have occurred with out him is just stuff I person waive off considering the passion involved, and therefore put less weight into than stuff like
Indiana Jones doesn't matter in his own Raiders of the Los Ark movie.
To me AvPR is like a b midnight popcorn cheesy monster movie. It's an AvP comic with the depth of the paper it's printed on (we all read one of those). Technical issues aside, it's up to the individual to be able to have fun with it. Some will debate which movie is better, AvPR or The Predator, who am I to say one answer is right? However, I do agree that, in regards to being
respectful to the Predator (not Alien) character and existing lore, AvPR beats The Predator hands-down, by a mile.
Just my two cents. :)
I know three Predator fans first and foremost that can't stand it, one's never seen any Alien films, one likes all the rest of them to varying degrees including AVP, and the other only really likes the first two of each series but does not hate the ones beyond that apart from the AVP films and The Predator.
So I'd not say that's always the case.
I'll always be a fan of Wolf. A great design and Ian Whyte played the character perfectly. Despite his plot armour he still felt like a proper Predator. Wolf was let down by the shit show surrounding him.
The same can't be said for The Predator. A big CGI mess of a Predator looking to extract DNA from autistic children. Absolute tripe! And all the other crap that film threw at us!
Quote from: goose_3387 on Jun 23, 2021, 05:51:13 PM
I'll always be a fan of Wolf. A great design and Ian Whyte played the character perfectly. Despite his plot armour he still felt like a proper Predator. Wolf was let down by the shit show surrounding him.
The same can't be said for The Predator. A big CGI mess of a Predator looking to extract DNA from autistic children. Absolute tripe! And all the other crap that film threw at us!
Just to clarify - both films are bad. I just find more enjoyment from AVPR (as little as it may be) when Wolf is on screen. Made for some great collectibles of Wolf too.
I like Fugitive but the way he was offed in the movie f**king sucks
I don't like most of AVPR but surely can dig Wolf (looks, gadgetery, body language)
He can correct me here if I'm mistaken, but I believe if we look at what happypred said, it was less a straight AvPR versus The Predator standard run-of-the-mill film comparison, but rather paying heed to the extra negative weight with The Predator for being flippant to the source material.
AvPR is inept, but at least it doesn't act like it's embarrassed to be what it is. The Predator can't take itself seriously and had to keep acknowledging how ludicrous everything is like it feels that will protect it from criticism.
See also, Jurassic World, Halloween 2018.
That's actually a pretty good point 👍
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 23, 2021, 07:22:08 PM
He can correct me here if I'm mistaken, but I believe if we look at what happypred said, it was less a straight AvPR versus The Predator standard run-of-the-mill film comparison, but rather paying heed to the extra negative weight with The Predator for being flippant to the source material.
Sorry, I was responding to this:
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Jun 23, 2021, 07:50:55 AM
I find the early sequences with Fugitive fair more entertaining than anything Wolf did in Requiem.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - select bits of The Predator were actually really good. That automatically makes it better than Requiem.
All i can ever say in defence of Requiem is the scene where the deputy stumbles across Wolf and he turns, extends his claws and eye flashes as he cloaks felt like the first time i'd seen a proper Predator since P2.
Unfortunately those few seconds were the only time it felt like that.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 23, 2021, 08:27:27 PM
AvPR is inept, but at least it doesn't act like it's embarrassed to be what it is. The Predator can't take itself seriously and had to keep acknowledging how ludicrous everything is like it feels that will protect it from criticism.
See also, Jurassic World, Halloween 2018.
Nice assessment!
Quote from: HuDaFuK on Jun 24, 2021, 08:02:37 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again - select bits of The Predator were actually really good. That automatically makes it better than Requiem.
Calling some bits good I can see. Calling some bits really good, I'm trying, but I just can't wrap my head around. :)
I'd say AvP-R was bad film in existing lore, but The Predator is bad film that throws existing lore out of the window. Saying which is worse is hard job.
Quote from: Master on Jun 24, 2021, 06:24:23 PM
I'd say AvP-R was bad film in existing lore, but The Predator is bad film that throws existing lore out of the window. Saying which is worse is hard job.
You can ignore a bad event in existing lore if its lame, as AVPR ends up being inconsequential to both series in the end. However an event that not only throws out existing lore out the window, turns against itself to how it begins is something much worse, but also sets the tone for future events in the film that weakens the series. How can you go off in future films taking place in modern times with the Predator Killer, Predators going after kids, and incoming invasion of Earth is beyond me.
Quote from: Master on Jun 24, 2021, 06:24:23 PM
I'd say AvP-R was bad film in existing lore, but The Predator is bad film that throws existing lore out of the window. Saying which is worse is hard job.
They're both bad in such distinct ways I don't think there's a point in trying to determine worse. They're equally awful but for different reasons for me.
I dread the thought that in a year from now we're adding Skulls to that What's Worse film pool. Please make a good film Dan! I'm begging ya!
Quote from: Mr.Turok on Jun 24, 2021, 09:52:26 PM
Quote from: Master on Jun 24, 2021, 06:24:23 PM
I'd say AvP-R was bad film in existing lore, but The Predator is bad film that throws existing lore out of the window. Saying which is worse is hard job.
You can ignore a bad event in existing lore if its lame, as AVPR ends up being inconsequential to both series in the end. However an event that not only throws out existing lore out the window, turns against itself to how it begins is something much worse, but also sets the tone for future events in the film that weakens the series. How can you go off in future films taking place in modern times with the Predator Killer, Predators going after kids, and incoming invasion of Earth is beyond me.
Indeed.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 24, 2021, 10:34:25 PM
Quote from: Master on Jun 24, 2021, 06:24:23 PM
I'd say AvP-R was bad film in existing lore, but The Predator is bad film that throws existing lore out of the window. Saying which is worse is hard job.
They're both bad in such distinct ways I don't think there's a point in trying to determine worse. They're equally awful but for different reasons for me.
Very good point and I second that.
Quote from: SiL on Jun 24, 2021, 10:34:25 PM
Quote from: Master on Jun 24, 2021, 06:24:23 PM
I'd say AvP-R was bad film in existing lore, but The Predator is bad film that throws existing lore out of the window. Saying which is worse is hard job.
They're both bad in such distinct ways I don't think there's a point in trying to determine worse. They're equally awful but for different reasons for me.
Yep. That's honestly the jist of it right there.
So still nothing...not even anything unofficial from filming? 😅
Quote from: goose_3387 on Jun 29, 2021, 05:02:43 PM
So still nothing...not even anything unofficial from filming? 😅
I mean there are IG stories of cast members including Kyle Strauts driving out to what looks like locations.
I have a feeling we might have basically nothing though similar to Doctor Strange 2.
**Here is Kyle at his trailer
Hmm. In regards to an official announcement of filming, let's say what Marc Toberoff said about Skulls being distributed through Hulu is 100% literal and there is no traditional theatrical release - just streaming. So what's the usual timeline, the precedent for releasing or announcing something official for a Hulu feature film in the works... an exclusive pre-pandemic streaming movie? Does anyone know of any examples? I don't know about anyone else, but following a direct-to-streaming movie is a first for me (if that even turns out to be the case). So I have no personal history to draw from.
Quote from: ace3g on Jun 29, 2021, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: goose_3387 on Jun 29, 2021, 05:02:43 PM
So still nothing...not even anything unofficial from filming? 😅
I mean there are IG stories of cast members including Kyle Strauts driving out to what looks like locations.
I have a feeling we might have basically nothing though similar to Doctor Strange 2.
**Here is Kyle at his trailer
I guess that's something...😅
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 30, 2021, 02:35:17 PM
Hmm. In regards to an official announcement of filming, let's say what Marc Toberoff said about Skulls being distributed through Hulu is 100% literal and there is no traditional theatrical release - just streaming. So what's the usual timeline, the precedent for releasing or announcing something official for a Hulu feature film in the works... an exclusive pre-pandemic streaming movie? Does anyone know of any examples? I don't know about anyone else, but following a direct-to-streaming movie is a first for me (if that even turns out to be the case). So I have no personal history to draw from.
The only streaming film that I followed was Army of the Dead. That was announced in 2019, filmed in 2019/20 and released by Netflix this year. It did have a big budget so naturally would take longer to finish.
Do you recall when the first official announcement or first official media was released by Netflix for Army of the Dead? (Not casting announcements from trade reporters, but something official)
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 30, 2021, 02:35:17 PM
Hmm. In regards to an official announcement of filming, let's say what Marc Toberoff said about Skulls being distributed through Hulu is 100% literal and there is no traditional theatrical release - just streaming. So what's the usual timeline, the precedent for releasing or announcing something official for a Hulu feature film in the works... an exclusive pre-pandemic streaming movie? Does anyone know of any examples? I don't know about anyone else, but following a direct-to-streaming movie is a first for me (if that even turns out to be the case). So I have no personal history to draw from.
I remember when Old Guard was announced for Netflix back in February of 2019. Shooting started around June of that year, then was released on Netflix July of 2020. I think the timeframe for filming into release on streaming is pretty quick. So maybe we could be looking at a July/August release for Skulls next year?
Quote from: Voodoo Magic on Jun 30, 2021, 02:56:44 PM
Do you recall when the first official announcement or first official media was released by Netflix for Army of the Dead? (Not casting announcements from trade reporters, but something official)
The film had been floating around for years. Netflix acquired the rights in Jan 2019. Casting soon after then think they started filming mid to late 2019.
Netflix didn't reveal a release date until early 2021.
Thank you both. I probably didn't explain myself well enough, but I was less trying to gauge the release date and more when the studio might finally make an official announcement for a streamed movie that is being worked on (so we can potentially apply that to Skulls.)
Perhaps this is a good indicator, a Hulu movie called "No Exit" was just officially acknowledged by 20th Century Studios & Hulu the day filming was completed. I couldn't find anything on their official twitter accounts that pre-date these tweets, so people wondering when something official might be posted about Skulls... perhaps an announcement might come at the end of filming in August.
https://twitter.com/20thcentury/status/1409881844561203201?
https://twitter.com/hulu/status/1409923372876808194?
Quote from: Master on Jun 24, 2021, 06:24:23 PM
I'd say AvP-R was bad film in existing lore, but The Predator is bad film that throws existing lore out of the window. Saying which is worse is hard job.
They're all bad for different reasons, but the main problem is the creature design in all versions, one could say the
Wolf was less crappy but even with this poor lighting and wrong colour grading, its skin looked like cheap rubber to me.
The predators created by Winston studio still look like genuine aliens, to these days, the quality decreased so much that you could tell that they look even more genuine today.Their mannerism,thanks to Kevin, was also key, sometimes its just very small details such as when the jungle hunter pushed his buttons without the need to watch them,it is so cool.
Maybe the staff will push them to get a predator based on the Winston style, they can use this style and still make something personal, the city hunter was totally that, as the lost preds or the Elder.It can be done that way and please everyone.Show us that you take this movie seriously, now is the time to get back to the roots, for real this time.
There are fans who build better pred suits than what we've seen since 2004 in their garage.No excuse.
It's true, all the rest look like costumes, let's see what the future holds.
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Feb 24, 2022, 02:46:14 PM
It's true, all the rest look like costumes, let's see what the future holds.
Fingers crossed 🤞!