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No expiration on this poll. You have three votes each.

Mine would be Alien 1979 adult alien, Alien 3 1992 adult alien and resurrection adult alien.

Alien 1979 adult, Alien 3 adult, the Queen from Aliens.

Alien 1979 adult
Aliens 1986 Queen
Isolation 2014 adult Alien

1979 Adult - I feel it's a beautiful design.

Although I do think the longer, skeletal fingers on the hands, and the tails for the 1986 Adults were better.

I love the first film design a lot, but I also really love the Dog Alien design. The Warrior Xenomorphs from aliens are very good but for some reason I just like the Resurrection warriors alot, I guess the bipedal Digitigrade legs are interesting to me and how much intelligence they showed them displaying.

The Alien Resurrection Warriors are excellently done and suit the film they feature in, I really do not appreciate them popping up in AVP and AVP Requiem looking worse each time though.

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I just noticed that big chap has 6 fingers. I learn something new about this movie almost every day.

Stompy, Runner and Queen

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Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 14, 2022, 12:45:10 PMThe Alien Resurrection Warriors are excellently done and suit the film they feature in, I really do not appreciate them popping up in AVP and AVP Requiem looking worse each time though.

Res suits looked fine in AvP,return to black colour was nice. But AvPR ... sigh

Quote from: Kradan on Aug 14, 2022, 07:12:52 PMStompy, Runner and Queen

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Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 14, 2022, 12:45:10 PMThe Alien Resurrection Warriors are excellently done and suit the film they feature in, I really do not appreciate them popping up in AVP and AVP Requiem looking worse each time though.

Res suits looked fine in AvP,return to black colour was nice. But AvPR ... sigh

They should have at least kept that sick oversized dorsal spine that the BTS book shows them with so they weren't literally the Rez suits sprayed black.

They changed the hands and also removed the digital digitigrade legs.

That reminds me, I really liked how AvP Aliens preferered walls and ceilings for movement

Quote from: SiL on Aug 14, 2022, 08:33:23 PMand also removed the digital digitigrade legs.

I kinda feel like that's a downgrade with that particular design.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 14, 2022, 12:45:10 PMThe Alien Resurrection Warriors are excellently done and suit the film they feature in, I really do not appreciate them popping up in AVP and AVP Requiem looking worse each time though.

I definitely agree. Yeah I didn't appreciate that myself either, they cut way too much cost and effort using that suit mold three times.

They kind of had to.

Not saying it's ADI's fault but, I can certainly blame Paul W.S Anderson and the studio for making it that way. Tom Rothman in particular.

Paul WS Anderson didn't control the  budget either. He wanted to tell a big story and the studio wanted him to do it cheaply. He delivered.

For all its failings every cent of that movie's budget is on screen. Cost cutting measures like filming in Prague and reusing Alien suits gave us great sets and a beautiful animatronic Queen.

He could have chosen to go even more insular and gone Mano a Mano, I have always felt the runtime and pacing betrayed the budget myself, and that Paul W.S Anderson does not know the meaning of subtlety. Although the film tries to fool you for the first half hour into thinking he does, it has the exact same issues as Event Horizon in inconsistent tone, and then going overboard at the first opportunity. He tried to go big with little and did not succeed.

Or he could tell the story he wanted to tell reusing a creature design he clearly didn't seem to mind.

The pacing had nothing to do with the budget and everything to do with Anderson's writing. Even the earlier drafts with 5 Predators were 75% build to 25% payoff.

Quote from: Kradan on Aug 14, 2022, 08:43:29 PMThat reminds me, I really liked how AvP Aliens preferered walls and ceilings for movement

You get plenty of that in ALIENS.

Maybe he had no choice but I feel as though he could have done the Predators and aliens differently by sacrificing some of the set budget, if they had just made one new creature suit for the Xenomorph body and just a few additional armor parts for the press and some unique skin patterns then the movie would have looked and been so much more. Again, only if it was an option to begin with.

They already shot inside a warehouse and pretended it was a ship, there wasn't  a whole lot of room to keep saving other than to reuse assets.

The Predators were made brand new, that's how Anderson wanted them to look.

For the love of God, why?

My votes went to Alien 1979 Adult Alien, Aliens Queen and Covenant Adult Neomorph.

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 14, 2022, 06:57:18 PMI just noticed that big chap has 6 fingers. I learn something new about this movie almost every day.

Actually, it's 4 fingers and 2 thumbs.

Quote from: Elmazalman on Aug 14, 2022, 11:27:17 PM

Quote from: Kradan on Aug 14, 2022, 08:43:29 PMThat reminds me, I really liked how AvP Aliens preferered walls and ceilings for movement

You get plenty of that in ALIENS.

Yes, and I loved it in Aliens too

I love all of them, clearly a difficult choice

if someone were to point a gun at me, I'd say Big Chap or Stompy. Stompy may be my all-time favourite since it combines the Resurrection-style legs with Big Chap and SOMEHOW manages to nail the feel of the original Big Chap skin when every sequel outright didn't

Except that dumb blocky jaw.

Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:32:48 AMExcept that dumb blocky jaw.

And that dumb permagrin.

Quote from: SiL on Aug 15, 2022, 07:32:48 AMExcept that dumb blocky jaw.

I like it - kinda Resurrection-like

And then Tristan Jones modeling his Aliens off that instead of the OG.

I have a special dislike for Stompy. So close, but so far.

YOU CANNOT STOP ME SiL

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Damn, Omega has been very naughty lately

Oh it was f**king GREAT in the game.

But it was a game design. That it escaped the game is where I have issue.

Quote from: Omegamorph on Aug 15, 2022, 07:43:36 AMYOU CANNOT STOP ME SiL

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The height of creature design..

Pumpkinhead literally peak movie AND peak monster :-*

Quote from: Kradan on Aug 15, 2022, 07:46:47 AMDamn, Omega has been very naughty lately

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I figured you'd choose the Deacon.

Quote from: Local Trouble on Aug 15, 2022, 08:11:30 AMI figured you'd choose the Deacon.

Deacon cool, star of the best scene in the unnamed abomination

That f**king thing made me laugh the first time I saw it

I liked when the big f**ker got impregnated by the bigger f**ker, cool scene.

Well, that part was properly Alien-y, yes. It's just that the thing that came out of big f**ker was laughable and not scary at all

BABBY <3
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The rictus grin of Stompy feels more in line with the Runner's smile than any Drone to me.

I still haven't recover from the size of the tail.

Big Chap
Aliens Queen
Aliens Warrior
Dog Alien
Covenant Xenomorph
Covenant Neomorph

Don't mind the Isolation or Blomkamp designs, or stuff like the concept NECA Aliens Warrior with the dome.

Also an unabashed fan of Giger's own Alien 3 design.  (https://arthur.io/img/art/webp/dt2x3sjVHeuv.xiZ62439dc03/h-r-giger/necronom-alien-iii/large/h-r-giger--necronom-alien-iii.jpg)

The sword tail and human lips sure would have make for a weird reception among fans.

I really doubt it.

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This gorgeous beast has lips modelled on Michelle Pfeiffer's own and a huge scythe, for a tail blade.

It's really interesting to me how Giger felt the design could be streamlined/improved -

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https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/adaptive-organism/

Quote from: Gilfryd on Aug 18, 2022, 08:50:16 PMIt's really interesting to me how Giger felt the design could be streamlined/improved -

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Did you read Alien Into Charybdis?

^ I have not but see the author referenced Giger's 3 designs.

You should, and The Cold Forge, highly recommended.

Alien 3 adult
Alien adult
Covenant adult

Visually, I really like the more sleek, sexy designed aliens. The runner for me has always been my favourite design-wise. Very stream-lined and presented on screen like a ruthless demon.

The 1979 alien is also pretty sexy. But moreso I love how otherwordly and frightening it's portrayed. This one is truly "Alien."

The Covenant Alien I thought looked like a fusion of original and runner in many regards. Unfortunately it has a fairly generic portrayal, but I definitely loved its look.

The Dragon's my favourite as well, loved your FEAR Campaigns btw Psykore.

My votes went for
1.Big Chap
2.Aliens Queen
3.Covenant Neomorph

The original design is just so undeniably perfect and iconic. Every time it's on screen I'm mesmerized by it's design and movements. The Giger bio-mechanical elements really shine through the most. It's just amazing to look at. I love that Stompy is so closely based on Big Chap, but there's a couple of design elements that are bit off for me. Mainly stuff with the mouth.

The Aliens Queen is, of course, a brilliant and iconic design. But what really sells it is how good the practical effects and animatronics are for her. Still looks amazing and pretty lifelike today!

Realistically there's probably other designs I like more than the Neomorph (Stompy, Aliens Warriors, Resurrection drones) but I am just a big fan of the Neomorph in general. If for nothing else I appreciate how it mixes things up, and presents a unique and new design in the xeno lineup. It's very sleek and simple, but has some nuanced touches like the protruding jaw. I feel the same way about the deacon as well. While I have my loves and hates for the prequels, I'm a big fan of their additions to the xeno family!

Also, maybe a hot take, but I've always enjoyed the design and concept for the Newborn in Resurrection! I enjoy it's design and how it brings something new to the table, visually. Also conceptually the idea of a human/xeno hybrid, being born of a womb in a queen, and contrasting/mirroring Ripley 8, is really interesting to me. I just think that it's incredibly tacked on and comes out of nowhere in the plot, and ultimately not utilized to it's full body/cosmic horror potential. 

Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Aug 25, 2022, 03:20:09 PMAlso, maybe a hot take, but I've always enjoyed the design and concept for the Newborn in Resurrection! I enjoy it's design and how it brings something new to the table, visually. Also conceptually the idea of a human/xeno hybrid, being born of a womb in a queen, and contrasting/mirroring Ripley 8, is really interesting to me. I just think that it's incredibly tacked on and comes out of nowhere in the plot, and ultimately not utilized to it's full body/cosmic horror potential.

@Cocolyte

Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Aug 25, 2022, 03:20:09 PMI just think that it's incredibly tacked on and comes out of nowhere in the plot, and ultimately not utilized to it's full body/cosmic horror potential. 

Agree, also find it badly placed in the movie and also anti climatic, instead of adding to the horror and stake of the movie, it completely kills all tension, xenomorphs arent a threat and the newborn wont hurt ripley 8, and obeys her, so what is the danger?
Made a fan rewrite of it myself and as a friend who read my rewrite: it gave the story more action and scare and upped the anty of the movie and made it more thrilling to watch, the queen being a big threat to humanity and needs to be killed and the newborn a scary nightmare hunting Ripley 8 and the betty crew.

The biggest issue with Resurrection apart from Joss Whedon's that Call should have been the protagonist.

Android protagonist ? That could be interesting

Regarding the Newborn: I don't think Jeunet wanted it to be threatening, he wanted a pitiful abomination, a product of two worlds, not accepted in either so I'm not bothered by it not being "scary"

Quote from: judge death on Aug 25, 2022, 05:54:50 PMAgree, also find it badly placed in the movie and also anti climatic, instead of adding to the horror and stake of the movie, it completely kills all tension, xenomorphs arent a threat and the newborn wont hurt ripley 8, and obeys her, so what is the danger?
Made a fan rewrite of it myself and as a friend who read my rewrite: it gave the story more action and scare and upped the anty of the movie and made it more thrilling to watch, the queen being a big threat to humanity and needs to be killed and the newborn a scary nightmare hunting Ripley 8 and the betty crew.

Totally agree. I can see a version of the film where the Newborn would be cool and scary. It's just not used correctly. That fan rewrite of yours sounds pretty cool actually! Would be interested in taking a look at that.

Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Aug 25, 2022, 06:02:46 PMThe biggest issue with Resurrection apart from Joss Whedon's that Call should have been the protagonist.

Also agree. While I think Ripley 8 is an interesting concept, it definitely feels like it undermines and takes away from the ending Ripley had in Alien3. I also don't 100% hate Resurrection, but it definitely feels like an afterthought in the series. And a big part of that is because they dig Ripley back up. Like they exhumed her corpse in a way. Could totally see Ripley 8 being cool as a EU comic character. But for the films, they should have just left her dead and propped up a new protagonist. But this is a whole other discussion tbh lol

It would, especially if the android reveal turned out to be the protagonist instead, we think Call dies and then... they live.

Quote from: Kradan on Aug 25, 2022, 06:14:39 PMRegarding the Newborn: I don't think Jeunet wanted it to be threatening, he wanted a pitiful abomination, a product of two worlds, not accepted in either so I'm not bothered by it not being "scary"

That's a good point actually. I think there's a way that you can make it both sympathetic and horrifying if you flesh it out correctly. Cronenberg's The Fly is an example that comes to mind. But that's a different type of film of course.

I find the newborn tremendously scary. Seriously, I f**king love the fact that I hate looking him in the eyes.

Agreed it's just the context he's used in.

I also agree.
Conceptually and visually it's pretty scary.

Just not properly used or built up to it's full potential in the film.
Had potential to be so much more.

Bloody f**king Joss Whedon.

I'd say Jeunet managed to squeeze something interesting out of what had been written as just another human-killing monster

Whedon's version was a giant facehugger.

You mean, in terms of design or in terms of function ?

Quote from: SiL on Aug 25, 2022, 09:33:07 PMWhedon's version was a giant facehugger.

Didn't it fly too?

Quote from: Kradan on Aug 25, 2022, 09:39:05 PMYou mean, in terms of design or in terms of function ?

Design, but I guess both.

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Quote from: SiL on Aug 25, 2022, 09:33:07 PMWhedon's version was a giant facehugger.

Didn't it fly too?

I don't remember, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Quote from: Kradan on Aug 25, 2022, 09:39:05 PMYou mean, in terms of design or in terms of function ?

Granted, I've never actually read the Resurrection script (I don't think) but iirc it was a giant spider-like Alien.

(Should have just been the cowl-less Big Chap)

Fortunately enough they went for the Newborn.

I agree. That would have been shit in my opinion.

IT was a spider like creature with pincers from its head, and later grew wings in the end battle ine arths atmosphere onboard some flying ahrvester machine....
Later rewrites had it more like newborn but it also grew wings later and wanted to mate with ripley 8...

Myself would had prefered it to be something like corporate hicks: a big chap but deadlier, or something new and deadlier than a normal xenomorph and way better than the newborn who beyond its strenght being a big downgrade.

It should be a downgrade though. It is an aberration, in Alien Resurrection nothing's truly the real thing, the Alien's not the Alien we know and Ripley's not the Ripley we know.   

I'm glad they didn't go for "bigger and badder" approach with Newborn

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Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Aug 25, 2022, 03:20:09 PMAlso, maybe a hot take, but I've always enjoyed the design and concept for the Newborn in Resurrection! I enjoy it's design and how it brings something new to the table, visually. Also conceptually the idea of a human/xeno hybrid, being born of a womb in a queen, and contrasting/mirroring Ripley 8, is really interesting to me. I just think that it's incredibly tacked on and comes out of nowhere in the plot, and ultimately not utilized to it's full body/cosmic horror potential.

@Cocolyte

@Cosmic Incubation

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both unironically and ironically... BABBY <3

Alien Resurrection on the Play Station does a much better job with the story than the movie does. Even the Newborn feels less tacked on.

It actually makes it scary for one

You didn't find him scary when looking him in the eyes ?

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 28, 2022, 11:07:27 AMYou didn't find him scary when looking him in the eyes ?

Giving it eyes, I thought was a mistake. It humanises it - even though it's supposed to be partially human. I think just empty eye sockets would have made it more terrifying. Giving it eyes made it look sad and pathetic - which may've been the intention.

Myself, I've never liked the idea of the Newborn, nor its design. It reminds me of the 1988 Pumpkinhead creature.

Quote from: Elmazalman on Aug 28, 2022, 11:43:58 AMGiving it eyes made it look sad and pathetic - which may've been the intention.

It was.

Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Aug 28, 2022, 11:07:27 AMYou didn't find him scary when looking him in the eyes ?

Sorry, I should've phrased that better - I was talking about game adapting movie's events and actually adding horror element to them. That includes Newborn too

About your question - no, I didn't. As Emazalman pointed out eyes give that creature rather sad and pathetic look

The Alien Resurrection videogame's nearly identical to Alien Isolation, only Isolation does not have an awful water level and had The Newborn equivalent chasing you most of the campaign, and instead of dealing with disposable Aliens the Working Joes fill that role instead. 

Also PS1 draw distances can make anything moody and horrific.

And hardware limits meant you couldn't have wall to wall Aliens, so for an action Aliens shooter the Aliens are refreshingly tough to kill.

The scariest part of Resurrection is that such a pure and innocent babby could be so mercilessly and violently destroyed.

Also Ripley 7

Quote from: Cosmic Incubation on Aug 25, 2022, 06:18:51 PMTotally agree. I can see a version of the film where the Newborn would be cool and scary. It's just not used correctly. That fan rewrite of yours sounds pretty cool actually! Would be interested in taking a look at that.

I pm it now.

I know its not a good film but I loved the AVP queen before she gets free.

Quote from: dnicholson277 on Feb 16, 2023, 07:45:02 PMI know its not a good film but I loved the AVP queen before she gets free.

When she rises up in that pagan-looking altar room. *chefs kiss* Say what you will about Paul Anderson, but he did make some of the coolest looking shots in the series. ;D