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Title: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: FatStu on Sep 07, 2020, 12:21:05 AM
It would pick up where Aliens left off. We see the Sulaco found and Ripley taken away where she's put into a sensory deprivation tank and is fed psychotropic drugs in order to find out information about the Xenomorph. Under hypnosis she hallucinates the events of Alien 3 and Resurrection.

Satisfied they have the information they need - the company free her and she's reunited with Newt and Hicks. Ripley and Hicks marry and officially adopt Newt.

Cut forward to 30 years later. Newt has grown up to become a Colonial Marine Special Ops Agent and manages to decode a secret transmission where the inhabitants of an orbital city are menaced by an Alien. Against all advice she heads out there to help the besieged residents - wanting to settle the score for the death of her biological family all those years ago. Bishop has had his consciousness transferred into an AI system which Newt can access with a headset or a wristwatch. He helps her in her quest.

When Ripley and Hicks find out what's going on, they head out to assist.

Rough - but you get the general idea.

No big revelations or reveals, medium budget - just a kick ass Alien adventure. Just under two hours. One Alien only.

Call it "The Alien".

Bang. Done.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: SM on Sep 07, 2020, 12:36:01 AM
Couldn't they just ask Ripley about the Alien?  She's very forthcoming in Aliens.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 07, 2020, 01:03:35 AM
Or Bishop?  He dissected a facehugger (and probably analyzed the live ones to some extent) then he personally witnessed the queen fighting Ripley.  Hicks saw the interior of the nest, fought dozens of soldiers and tangled with a live facehugger.

But Newt probably took the cake since she spent upwards of two months (?) witnessing the fall of Hadley's, starting with the discovery of the derelict all the way to the final boss fight at the very end.

All of them were intel goldmines, not just Ripley.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: FatStu on Sep 07, 2020, 01:46:10 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 07, 2020, 01:03:35 AM
Or Bishop?  He dissected a facehugger (and probably analyzed the live ones to some extent) then he personally witnessed the queen fighting Ripley.  Hicks saw the interior the nest, fought dozens of soldiers and tangled with a live facehugger.

But Newt probably took the cake since she spent upwards of two months (?) witnessing the fall of Hadley's, starting with the discovery of the derelict all the way to the final boss fight at the very end.

All of them were intel goldmines, not just Ripley.

Quote from: SM on Sep 07, 2020, 12:36:01 AM
Couldn't they just ask Ripley about the Alien?  She's very forthcoming in Aliens.

Erm.. yeah, maybe. It's just an excuse to retcon away the events of 3 and Resurrection. Couldn't think of a better way to do it.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Kradan on Sep 07, 2020, 02:29:10 PM
New episode of show "Fans who can't get over Newt and Hicks deaths" is here!

Seriously, any story that tries to say "Alien 3 was a dream" loses me at that exact moment. Better just ignoring it - if you don't like it so much why still acknowledge its existence at all?

And I'm not sure that

Quote from: FatStu on Sep 07, 2020, 12:21:05 AM
just a kick ass Alien adventure

which IMO sounds terribly as Aliens rehash and excuse for some "shot 'em all" Alien action because Newt becomes a Colonial Marine and Ripley & Hicks are here to help too would be any better than Alien 3 we eventually got. And I think Newt wouldn't want to deal with Aliens at all. Remember Aliens - Cameron specifically used 57-year gap so Ripley was stripped from everything familiar to her, didn't have any relatives who'd wait for her so she didn't have anything to lose. Newt on the other hand in such scenario has someone waiting for her and has someone to lose
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: FatStu on Sep 07, 2020, 05:47:10 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Sep 07, 2020, 02:29:10 PM
New episode of show "Fans who can't get over Newt and Hicks deaths" is here!

Seriously, any story that tries to say "Alien 3 was a dream" loses me at that exact moment. Better just ignoring it - if you don't like it so much why still acknowledge its existence at all?

And I'm not sure that

Quote from: FatStu on Sep 07, 2020, 12:21:05 AM
just a kick ass Alien adventure

which IMO sounds terribly as Aliens rehash and excuse for some "shot 'em all" Alien action because Newt becomes a Colonial Marine and Ripley & Hicks are here to help too would be any better than Alien 3 we eventually got. And I think Newt wouldn't want to deal with Aliens at all. Remember Aliens - Cameron specifically used 57-year gap so Ripley was stripped from everything familiar to her, didn't have any relatives who'd wait for her so she didn't have anything to lose. Newt on the other hand in such scenario has someone waiting for her and has someone to lose

New episode of "Guy who likes to have a go at strangers on the internet - for having an idea they don't like" is here!

Sorry man, I didn't realise that it's only your ideas and opinions that matter in here. I foolishly thought I could just shoot the breeze with fellow fans of something I quite like.

Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Rankles75 on Sep 07, 2020, 08:07:58 PM
Quote from: FatStu on Sep 07, 2020, 05:47:10 PMSorry man, I didn't realise that it's only your ideas and opinions that matter in here. I foolishly thought I could just shoot the breeze with fellow fans of something I quite like.

You'll have to forgive the Alien 3 fans, they tend to get awful tetchy after having to constantly defend their film for the last 30ish years. :)
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 07, 2020, 08:24:58 PM
I'd just reboot the franchise entirely at this point. 


Ignore everything.  Restart with Alien/Aliens

Have the universe open up to include differnet factions of humans than just Marines/WY, include the engineers eventually, maybe bring in the fake engineers (big bald blue guys) in as a precursor to their arrival, have the Aliens evolve past the point of control by any party. 


DON'T DWELL SO MUCH ON PAST BULLSHIT AND PROGRESS THE STORY FORWARD.  This is my main pet peeve of the franchise right now.  You have a bunch of writers for the movies OBSESSED with telling every story hinted at in the first two films.  Now you have two movies set in the series past that absolutely push the narrative............nowhere.  They are just spinning wheels.  Lets say the next movie is released and explains how the Engineer dreadnought crashlands on LV426................WOW what an amazing reveal.  A story note that does absolutely nothing for the franchises future since we know no Aliens were around in between Alien 3 and Resurrection because the Jockeyship got nuked in Aliens.

The universe of Alien should be gigantic, humanity is expanding into the galaxy......and we get the same small slice stories ALL THE DAMN TIME.  After the Aliens are defeated for the 7th or 8th time right before they spread out and do damage.............they stop being a threat.  Even directors not interested in Cameron's storytelling have turned them into Cameron's space bugs.  They are always squashed by the hero. 

I've said it a hundred times, its time to either bury the franchise or reboot it.   

Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 07, 2020, 08:31:41 PM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Sep 07, 2020, 08:24:58 PM
Have the universe open up to include differnet factions of humans than just Marines/WY

This please. Obviously WY would have some sort of role to play in the potential Covenant sequel, since the Covenant is their ship, and I wouldn't be opposed to seeing one more story set post-Alien 3 dealing with Weyland-Yutani's collapse, but otherwise? I want to see some different mega-corporations and factions with totally different agendas at play. Seegson's presence gave Alien: Isolation a bit of a different flavor, which I appreciated (and I thought the sort of corporate warfare between Seegson and WY going on behind the scenes in The Cold Forge was very interesting), and one of the things that I think Alien: Resurrection got very right in their new timeframe was squashing the Company and making it a relic of the past in favor of a totally new government/corporate infrastructure in the galaxy, with the USM serving as our new focal point in this restructured world.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Kimarhi on Sep 07, 2020, 08:38:18 PM
I always liked the early comics take of the Government/WY relationship.  Corporations were powerful, until they challenged the government directly. 

Orona said something like: I'm government and your corporate, my hammer is bigger and I'll play hell whacking you with it.

As a kind of threat letting the corporations know that they had enough firepower and had insulated themselves enough that they could take down a big corporation if it came into conflict with them. 

Some people like the idea of WY being in control of the government, but given Aliens I don't think this is the case.  No need to be subversive if you can just do what you want anyways. 

I don't necessarily want WY to go away, but every corporation has rivals, and the government is more than just one entity.  I want to see the human universe expand. 
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Nightmare Asylum on Sep 07, 2020, 08:43:26 PM
From the sound of things, Alex White's next novel is definitely going to be digging into some of that government/corporate relationship. Brand new corporations (with no mention of Weyland-Yutani to be seen), the Iranian and American government governments at one another's throats, etc. Given the quality of writing in White's The Cold Forge, which I would say is not just the best Alien novel, but also one of the best pieces of media tie-in fiction that I've read, I am very much excited to see what they are going to do with into Charybdis when it releases next year.

Quote"Shy" Hunt and the tech team from McAllen Integrations thought they'd have an easy job--set up environmental systems for the brand new Hasanova Data Solutions colony, built on the abandoned ruins of a complex known as "Charybdis." There are just two problems: the colony belongs to the Iranian state, so diplomacy is strained at best, and the complex is located above a series of hidden caves that contain deadly secrets. When a bizarre ship lands on a nearby island, one of the workers is attacked by a taloned creature, and trust evaporates between the Iranians and Americans. The McAllen Integrations crew are imprisoned, accused as spies, but manage to send out a distress signal... to the Colonial Marines.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: FatStu on Sep 07, 2020, 10:38:28 PM
Hmm. Some interesting ideas but for me, Aliens has always been Ripleys story. So far at least. I get that 3 and Resurrection have their fans... But I always disliked how the ending of Aliens was undone. If it were up to me I'd take it back to that point somehow. And from there tell the story of an older Ripley who functions as more of a supporting character - with Newt being the main focus of the story. I think an adult Newt could be very interesting and compelling.

As for the alien itself - I don't think there's anywhere else to take it. So rather than try and reinvent the wheel - I think it should just be a kickass monster movie. This wouldn't be a film you see for universe building or franchise padding - just a lean no frills thrill machine.This would be a film to scare, shock and entertain. Medium budget, 1 hour 45 min run time...

Supporting roles played by actors like William Sadler, Michael Ironside, Ernie Hudson. Just a good, decent and honest genre movie.

City in space, Alien gets loose, Newt goes to help, teams up with the residents to defeat the threat.

that'll do me
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 07, 2020, 11:06:44 PM
Is that where she finds the predators' time machine?
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: SM on Sep 07, 2020, 11:11:30 PM
QuoteSome people like the idea of WY being in control of the government, but given Aliens I don't think this is the case.  No need to be subversive if you can just do what you want anyways. 

Yep.  Some people just looked at it on very one dimensional surface level.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 07, 2020, 11:21:08 PM
Haven't you had a hand in enlightening some of the professionals about that very subject?
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: SM on Sep 07, 2020, 11:26:24 PM
Long time ago.

Didn't stop them putting some stupid bullshit in the RPG about the Company funding and effectively owning the ICC.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Local Trouble on Sep 07, 2020, 11:30:01 PM
Ugh.  I think it's time for you to stage a coup.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Huggs on Sep 10, 2020, 12:03:54 AM
I honestly never found newt even remotely interesting enough to be seen beyond the one film.

Let alone carry an entire franchise.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Tichinde on Sep 10, 2020, 01:18:34 AM
she's not interesting but I think if she just dies it has the same effect Dark Fate had on Terminator and leaves a sore taste in people's mouths. Because the entire reason for fighting and surviving through the first movie is basically gone if there is no happy ending for some people. Ripley having to deal with them again is fine, but Newt is a kid, she represents innocence, so the ending of the film is the preservation of human innocence without that it's kinda bleak.

Hence why Alien 3 is viewed by so many (myself included) to spit all over Alien and Aliens
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: TC on Sep 10, 2020, 07:10:31 AM
Newt. Maybe not a standout when it comes to "interesting," but interesting enough. Just like Ripley was merely interesting enough in the first film. Luckily, Cameron saw the potential in Ripley, and made her more interesting.

Newt is intelligent and resourceful. It's implied that her mental state at the time of her discovery is one in which her brain has shut down on emotions so they don't get in the way of her doing whatever she needs to in order to survive. That's her key characteristic: she's a survivor.

I call this fertile ground. Particularly when you extrapolate what she would be like as an adult.

If I had written an Alien 3, Newt would be much like Clare Danes' character in Homeland, Carrie, with similar kinds of mental problems. (Carrie has to constantly manage her job as a CIA operative with her bipolar disorder. She has to hide her medication - lithium, Clonazepam, alcohol - and even checks herself into a hospital for voluntary ECT treatments so she can do her job).

This is what you do in a sequel; develop character not only by upping the ante in terms of plot (alien -> aliens), but also by driving it deeper into the psychology of the protagonist. IOW, create greater intensity both externally and internally.

Luckily, Cameron understood that and, likewise, took his story in both directions.

TC
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Rankles75 on Sep 10, 2020, 07:23:13 AM
Quote from: TC on Sep 10, 2020, 07:10:31 AM
Newt. Maybe not a standout when it comes to "interesting," but interesting enough. Just like Ripley was merely interesting enough in the first film. Luckily, Cameron saw the potential in Ripley, and made her more interesting.

Newt is intelligent and resourceful. It's implied that her mental state at the time of her discovery is one in which her brain has shut down on emotions so they don't get in the way of her doing whatever she needs to in order to survive. That's her key characteristic: she's a survivor.

I call this fertile ground. Particularly when you extrapolate what she would be like as an adult.

If I had written an Alien 3, Newt would be much like Clare Danes' character in Homeland, Carrie, with similar kinds of mental problems. (Carrie has to constantly manage her job as a CIA operative with her bipolar disorder. She has to hide her medication - lithium, Clonazepam, alcohol - and even checks herself into a hospital for voluntary ECT treatments so she can do her job).

This is what you do in a sequel; develop character not only by upping the ante in terms of plot (alien -> aliens), but also by driving it deeper into the psychology of the protagonist. IOW, create greater intensity both externally and internally.

Luckily, Cameron understood that and, likewise, took his story in both directions.

TC

Great post, fully agree.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 02, 2022, 08:44:24 PM
What we got was better and more original between Aliens and Alien³ rather than a more traditional franchise.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: OpenMaw on Sep 28, 2022, 03:33:56 PM
I have never understood why the decisions are binary.

Alien 3 has problems. Even people who consider it a masterpiece, which is... When the director says its dogshit. That is, the main artist behind the final product on screen... I don't know how we call that a masterpiece. I'm glad people love it so much. I like it. I wouldn't want to replace it.

Resurrection is the real dog of the series. Alien 3 still at least fits with the tone and general feeling of the first two films insofar as its still dealing with corporate greed/corruption/apathy, where does humanity fit in this world, fighting for survival against an unknown and brutal monster...

If I had one change to make to Alien 3, okay two, I would cut the opening out entirely. Start with the crash... and I would have Ripley hearing Newt. I can just imagine that ending sequence where Ripley is thinking about jumping, the longer version... and it cuts to her seeing the picture of her daughter "Amy..." Ripley holds her eyes shut, we hear Newt "You promise?" "Cross my heart." "And hope to die." "And hope to die." and she jumps. Just to tie the whole series together. Everything Ripley lost, and give it just a little bit more tug at the heart strings. I'm not against their deaths, and I understand that by 1992 there were practical concerns. Carrie Henn would have been recast, or they would have had to remove her from the story in some fashion. I think it was Voodoo Magic who suggested the idea of having two separate EEVs and that they were stuck in orbit around the planet during the events of Alien 3, only to get picked up by the Patna later on (off screen.)

As to Alien 5? I'm not super enthusiastic about the rumblings we are hearing. Somethings sound good like tighter budget with no limits on the content and going back to a more contained story. That all sounds good... But one name sends shivers down my back. Ridley. Scott. If you want him to do the pretty pictures, fine. Get him the absolute Hell away from the story.

Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 28, 2022, 03:54:12 PM
Has he ever said it is bad though? Or just that he hates it because a massive difference exists between the two.

Because I think it is good, he just had an awful experience making it, and it is much better than half of his filmography.

The Game for example's a truly wretched piece of shit, or something like Panic Room that I think's good but not as good as any cut of Alien³ either though.

Ridley Scott's a superb director and has proven it repeatedly, The Last Duel's probably one of my favourites of his and it's pretty recent, everyone has their ups and downs.

But as for his potential involvement I am way more excited about whatever Noah Hawley's cooking up for episodic storytelling than Fede Alvarez's film.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Cognitive Dissident on Dec 01, 2022, 07:40:49 AM
It's pretty hard to hate Fincher's output, but calling a3 better than half his output is a stretch. And I cherish a3.

Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 01, 2022, 11:32:08 AM
It's really not a stretch in the slightest. After going through his whole filmography I am very confident in that opinion honestly.

I like it better than everything except for Se7en and Gone Girl, and Fight Club's probably also better though I do not personally love it.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: SiL on Dec 01, 2022, 12:14:36 PM
Quote from: BlueMarsalis79 on Sep 28, 2022, 03:54:12 PMHas he ever said it is bad though? Or just that he hates it because a massive difference exists between the two.
Yes. He said it's seriously flawed and there's a lot wrong with it.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Kradan on Dec 01, 2022, 12:29:23 PM
I wonder when was the last time he watched it ? His evaluation of the movie might be heavily influenced by the horrible  experience he had making it
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Dec 01, 2022, 12:34:56 PM
Pretty much what I believe's going on here.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: SiL on Dec 01, 2022, 06:57:50 PM
Quote from: Kradan on Dec 01, 2022, 12:29:23 PMI wonder when was the last time he watched it ? His evaluation of the movie might be heavily influenced by the horrible  experience he had making it
Might also be influenced by the fact it's heavily flawed and there's a lot wrong with it.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Kradan on Dec 01, 2022, 07:02:15 PM
Touche
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Kel G 426 on Jan 28, 2023, 06:40:18 PM
Here's the movie I want to see.  8)

https://twitter.com/KelG426/status/1619393357603807232?t=0EhxTTT0qAg2Ux_7cW2zYw&s=19

Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 07, 2020, 11:06:44 PMIs that where she finds the predators' time machine?

Damn! Really wish I had thought to put that one in there!
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Jan 28, 2023, 08:06:04 PM
I wish the Dark Horse alternate script stuff had continued.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Kimarhi on Jan 31, 2023, 09:46:13 PM
I always laugh at that panel in Nightmare Asylum where Ripley is holding a weapon system that probably weighs every bit as much as she does without breaking a sweat.


As a kid I thought it was a badass panel, but as I got older I was like, wait a minute. 

My Alien V would be more of a reboot.  I'd have it as a detective story where someone in WY or the United Americas (or maybe both sides competing with one another) was looking for a person carrying an Alien or an alien itself (or maybe a combination of the two) through a variety of environments.  When he/she finally tracks the Alien to a major population center the Alien has escaped and wreaked havoc and the alien gets a W.  From there you'd have a base to go in any direction you like for other movies because at that point you actually have a depot of Aliens to do whatever with. 

The Aliens always getting destroyed in movies right before they get the W gets on my nerves.  Not the most dangerous species in the universe if they are continually getting stopped before they do anything. 
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 31, 2023, 10:50:54 PM
How I would do Alien V? I wouldn't... I'd first make Alien 4.

Firstly and most importantly, I'd disregard anything and everything from 1993 onwards as reference, and draw upon only the original trilogy and expanded media /art of that time for the look, feel and atmosphere. Aesthetically, it would have a very analogue look, not a flat screen or hologram to be seen - dirty CRTs, bulky keyboards... overall a dark look with bold colour grading (deep reds, deep dark blues, purples - late 80s/early 90s view of the future (think Amiga 500 games of the time, or colours like in 'Hardware'(1990) etc.

In terms of story, just like the original trilogy, it'd follow on directly from Alien 3. It'd open with a montage of Bishop 2's speech to Ripley in the credits, audio only: "You can have a life... children... and most of all, you'll know it's dead." Slowmo shot of Ripley falling backwards as Bishop screams "Noooo!!"...shots of Fury 161 being locked down as per Alien 3...intercut with a slow panning shot of a vent similar to the one Murphy died in, dark, flickering almost 'orange brown strobe' effect from the running fan as the only light... a dark slimey shape comes into view..secreted resin... a vaguely human-like shadow, faceless, morphing into an ovomorph... an ID badge drips from the dissolving body..Clemens. As the ovomorph slowly opens, a cocooned Andrews, opposite opens his eyes and cries out in terror as the facehuggers legs creep over the edge of the egg. Quickly Cut to Alien 3 footage of Morse being escorted away by Weyland Yutani dog handlers. He stops and turns looking behind him as the faint but familiar scream is barely heard (insert quick shot of vent Morse in looking at where the sound echoed from, then immediately back to the original footage as he smiles) "come on you get going!" "Ah fack yew!" Title screen: A L I E N 4

Now from here, two potential stories can branch out: option 1- mimic the Gibson script of Alien 3 opening, except it's the Patna instead of the Sulaco, and Bishop 2s cryotube instead of Bishop that is discovered, then move on to a story involving the Union of Progressive Peoples,

Or option 2: We follow the story of the scrap merchants that arrive at Fury 161 after the refinery is sold.

In terms of setting for the majority of the story: Bring back the confined isolation feel of 'Alien' - perhaps a station on a large asteroid in UPP space, no breathable atmosphere...the outside landscape looking like the dry cracked earth seen in the Alien 1979 trailer where the lone egg is featured...black starless sky, a moving low mist (it'd be calm to contrast lv426 and fury 161, no winds or extreme weather...no sound, only the breathing of the characters within their own space suit helmets, limited vision, only the illuminated cracked ground within the glow of the helmet torch lights..the absence of sound making any brief spotted motion/strange shapes making it creeper in outdoor scenes. Indoor scenes as described earlier.

Creature design: Think the runner from Alien 3, born from a human host...or 'Aliens: Labyrinth' comic art, streamline, slender, feminine..but as biomechanical as the big chap...essentially the runner, but upright with tubes on its back, with the big chap colours.

A new variant of the creature would also be introduced, as per tradition.

Human antagonists: no weyland yutani, Ripley's sacrifice may have not stopped the xeno, but she succeeded in stopping the company getting their hands on one (thus her sacrifice not completely in vein) brand new antagonists to be introduced with vastly different goals.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 31, 2023, 11:08:38 PM
Do you really think Andrews survived this?  Look at the blood.

Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Jan 31, 2023, 11:19:44 PM
Quote from: Local Trouble on Jan 31, 2023, 11:08:38 PMDo you really think Andrews survived this?  Look at the blood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCTd1XHbliU

I'd say so, in a manner of speaking- Xenos don't care for the comfort of their hosts, you could even have him appear with a missing limb to account for the blood, cauterised by acid burns and resin. It seems poetic to have Clemens spawning his ultimate demise.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Local Trouble on Jan 31, 2023, 11:22:47 PM
I'd keep it simple and just say the company found the facehugger carcass.  Between that, Bishop's remains and whatever got transmitted to the network from the Sulaco, they should have plenty to work with.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 02, 2023, 12:59:10 AM
Other than stylistically the way they look and feel I wouldn't even bring up the AT storylines.  There is already too much tied up in those movies. 

It's like new artist can't get past the originals and expand the universe.  We always go back to Hadley's Hope, the OG jockey ship, the Sulaco, etc. 

I mean the milky way is 100,000 light years across.  There is more to see and encounter than just the places we've constantly been to before. 
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: ralfy on Feb 02, 2023, 08:30:04 AM
New characters, but follow something like Gibson's script for the third movie, or new actors for surviving characters, and then come up with an ending to finish their story.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Acid_Reign161 on Feb 02, 2023, 09:23:12 AM
Quote from: Kimarhi on Feb 02, 2023, 12:59:10 AMOther than stylistically the way they look and feel I wouldn't even bring up the AT storylines.  There is already too much tied up in those movies. 

It's like new artist can't get past the originals and expand the universe.  We always go back to Hadley's Hope, the OG jockey ship, the Sulaco, etc. 

I mean the milky way is 100,000 light years across.  There is more to see and encounter than just the places we've constantly been to before. 

This would have been my second choice too... in this situation, I'd be keen to ensure *not* to include any engineer/Jockey references either... just the discovery of eggs in a new location.. the idea being to send a message that this is how the alien spreads...the derelict was just a passing ship that was infected, history repeated with the Nostromo... the xeno leaps through time and across space in this way...infects a ship, is transported, reproduces, then lays in wait for the next victim, and repeat. This leaves opportunity for them to be lurking everywhere, in locations as old as time itself, retaining some of the mystery..
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Kimarhi on Feb 04, 2023, 12:26:54 AM
It's not the jockey technology per se, and I'm more talking to the overuse in the EU, just THE jockey ship.  For the movies going back would be fresh, but if you include the EU the jockey ship is old hat at this point.   

Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Heaven Piercing Man on Mar 13, 2023, 03:16:22 AM
My Alien 5 idea would be putting a new WY crew working on "something" that ends up being revealed as weaponized aliens or alien biotech. They're expendable. The main/focus character should be one of these crew members. The crew has been infiltrated by a rogue faction trying to sabotage it all, but the colonists don't know it's in their best interests until it's too late. After we've already had casualties, the lead extremist is revealed as Ripley (if Weaver would return, unlisted in the opening credits, but with an "AND" credit at the closing credits) or Newt (if Weaver doesn't return, and going by "Reb" so it isn't painfully obvious it is her). Whoever it is, the other is barely referenced, enough to give us the idea be her Newt or Ripley, she earned herself a life away from it all. The thing is, the rogue faction wanted to forcefully terminate the project and save everyone before SHTF and they fail, but they're ill-prepared for an outbreak due to the secrecy and lack of resources, so they can't just start shooting aliens.

And the human antagonist is Hicks, now turned into a General Ripper type who wants to "nuke the entire site from orbit", with the hapless crew and all because for him they're also expendable but for different reasons. Contacting the besieged complex via video is the first time he sees Ripley/Newt in YEARS. The reunion is tense as he is willing to nuke them all to erase the alien from existence, but she wants to save the colonists and reveal WY's crimes. If Newt is the one down there, this would be the first time the word "Newt" is uttered. Their previous history is the only think keeping Hicks from pushing the button from space, so he begrudgingly gives her a chance. If the colonists aren't safe by the time his platoon arrives, they will shoot everyone. If the platoon is compromised, everything will be glassed. The marines would rather nuke everything from the start and disapprove of Hicks putting them in danger because he gave a single chance to someone from his past, leading to conflict if/when he considers the nuclear option.

Secondary antagonists would be the usual WY plants and whoever wants the outbreak to happen to claim the prize. They get greased by the marines. Eaten by aliens would be a cliche irony at this point.

As for the alien menace, it should be as Gigerian as possible. Victims should be not just hosts and prey, but bring back eggmorphing and Gigerization.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 13, 2023, 03:05:22 PM
That honestly sounds trite as f**k, the best people can come up with really aping f**king Resident Evil?

People need to accept Alien³ into their hearts as their heavenly saviour. 
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: Heaven Piercing Man on Mar 13, 2023, 05:53:19 PM
I've never played that.

My only survival horror game is Alien Isolation.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 13, 2023, 08:44:48 PM
I wondered if you meant the Alien³ videogames, which themselves are pretty good just not as good as the film of course.

Resident Evil took the whole "the company" narrative, and gave it a Palpatine type figure where it unsurprisingly turns out they are behind everything, an idea you have basically proposed, I absolutely loathe it in relation to Alien and the main themes of capitalist bureaucratic apathy in Alien.

And that without exception has been the core idea behind every alternate Aliens sequel.

In my opinion Alien's above this kind of nonsense, that kind of narrative cliché and retconning certain entries within the franchise, that's how we end up with three Alien films inventively named "Alien" just like Halloween.

But yeah Alien Isolation's the best first person Resident Evil, and Dead Space's the best third person Resident Evil.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: SiL on Mar 13, 2023, 08:55:17 PM
I'm reading the outline and I don't see where they say there's a single big bad ad the company.
Title: Re: How I'd do Alien V
Post by: BlueMarsalis79 on Mar 13, 2023, 09:07:48 PM
You are technically right, I read about the inclusion of the names Ripley and Newt then, Hicks as a human antagonist and my brain went on battery saver mode.

Which would just honestly be doing a similar thing for the military industrial complex.

The idea of a character going from good to bad because of their experiences has already sort of been done in Alien. If not that well. The prequels.

The rest still remains very Resident Evil like in proposal.