http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/alien-covenant-extended-scene-shows-davids-planet-ruins-1025175
Still a shame the characters didn't get to explore the city more.
Great !
It looks great, but I see why it was cut - it was against the flow of them following David plus it didn't add very much...but looks f**king cool.
Wow that was great, love the somber tone. Wish it was in the film!
why didn't any of them ask wtf was going on with the corpses or look around the city more
" shame the characters didn't get to explore more"
true of all the best entries into this franchise ....
derilict ship , engineer instalations , engineer city .....
If someone just said to follow him...even after they saved me....through a entire yard of corpses like that....I know for sure I probably would have stopped and said "hey what the hell is all this???"
Yes I think anyone would and they probably did. It just wasn't necessary for the story to show them doing so.
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Jul 31, 2017, 06:14:35 PM
why didn't any of them ask wtf was going on with the corpses or look around the city more
Didn't they ask that as they were following David?
Quote from: Whos_Nick on Jul 31, 2017, 06:14:35 PM
why didn't any of them ask wtf was going on with the corpses or look around the city more
How many questions did the marines ask, in Aliens, under the atmospheric processor? Or the Nostromo crew, inside the Derelict? Almost none.
"Secreted from what?" "I wonder what happened to the rest of the crew?" That's about it. 1 per film. Not exactly inquisitive.
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Works on my PC.
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Nice scene!
Sick scene. Very reminiscent of Prometheus.
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 31, 2017, 09:47:10 PM
Sick scene. Very reminiscent of Prometheus.
Right now, some staffer at Fox is clearing out his desk and regretting telling the brass that "Everyone hated Prometheus!" :P
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Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 31, 2017, 09:47:10 PM
Sick scene. Very reminiscent of Prometheus.
Right now, some staffer at Fox is clearing out his desk and regretting telling the brass that "Everyone hated Prometheus!" :P
Heads truly should be rolling over that decision.
Amazing scene.
I like those Juggernauts parked inside of that hole. The hole was opening to allow David to eventually park it inside but he never did obviously.
The presence of those Juggernauts further supports that these are Engineers to me. Why would a created species have Juggernauts in their city?
Quote from: Protozoid on Jul 31, 2017, 10:13:18 PM
Quote from: Mr. Clemens on Jul 31, 2017, 10:06:59 PM
Quote from: tleilaxu on Jul 31, 2017, 09:47:10 PM
Sick scene. Very reminiscent of Prometheus.
Right now, some staffer at Fox is clearing out his desk and regretting telling the brass that "Everyone hated Prometheus!" :P
Heads truly should be rolling over that decision.
Pity that this with other scenes that tied with Prometheus were cut. I like rest of you I'm waiting to see that alternate 12 minute Prologue sequence with Shaw and David.I hope one day it sees the light of day.
I also agree, several fools at Fox should be getting their heads chopped off for not only derailing Scott's original vision, but whatever crumbs that were left with Shaw and the engineers were cut out of the film. A two minute viral of her or just seeing the engineers die is not enough.
Glad to see this clip released early. Having previously read some descriptions of the deleted scenes, this was the one I was most looking forward to seeing eventually...and it didn't disappoint me.
It's brilliantly filmed, moody reveal of darkly twisted bodies and additional 'juggernauts' adds an extra sense of epic scale to the city scenes, and really should have been included in the first place. But it will certainly be going into my own recut of COVENANT eventually!
Just as with PROMETHEUS, it seems like Ridley chose to cut out some really great footage for this which I'd rather have seen included...while including certain scenes I'd rather have seen cut out!
Really looking forward to seeing the rest of his discarded footage too, once the Blu-ray hits.
Will we get any explanations for the nonsensical crap, like why shaw would randomly send a transmission of herself singing Country Road into deep space? My guess is that we won't, because it makes no sense.
It has an interesting parallel with Prometheus. Both films seemed to have shifted focus to some extent during filming and production.
Covenant: Moved further away from Prometheus.
We have this scene as well as the David and Shaw scene cut from the film.
Prometheus : Moved further away from ALIEN.
They had Engineer sleep chambers that were chest bursted. We also had the murals depicting "creatures". One could also argue that the Engineers were being chased by something in the 3D hologram.
I think a little more of each would have helped both films.
I think this scene was cut because of all the silly Prometheus backlash about running and petting alien snakes... they didn't want people claiming it's a Plot hole that David never flew off on one of these ships...
Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 01, 2017, 02:23:10 AM
I think this scene was cut because of all the stupid Prometheus backlash about running and petting alien snakes... they didn't want people claiming it's a Plot hole that David never flew off on one of these ships...
That's a good point. Perhaps David wasn't marooned? Was he content with his experiments until better subjects unexpectedly came along? I've only seen it once.
This is so deep.
It's so devastating what Weyland has done with his creations. He just wants to know the meaning of life and why we exists, but death is everywhere.
Starting from Prologue with white, then it becomes darker and darker, with no way out. It's a recurring nightmare till the end.
What if David wakes Daniels up and tells her it's just a nightmare? Nobody knows.
Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 01, 2017, 02:23:10 AM
they didn't want people claiming it's a Plot hole that David never flew off on one of these ships...
It would have been a legitimate question. I can't remember if it's the book or the script, but one of them mentions that after David bombed the Engineers a containment protocol kicked in, grounding all the ships so they couldn't spread the infection. If that dialogue was never filmed or was also cut, it'd make sense to cut this scene to avoid people asking that very same question.
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Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 01, 2017, 02:23:10 AM
they didn't want people claiming it's a Plot hole that David never flew off on one of these ships...
It would have been a legitimate question. I can't remember if it's the book or the script, but one of them mentions that after David bombed the Engineers a containment protocol kicked in, grounding all the ships so they couldn't spread the infection. If that dialogue was never filmed or was also cut, it'd make sense to cut this scene to avoid people asking that very same question.
Yet its omission also raised questions why didn't they stop by some more to explore the surroundings, and hey, they did, but it would've led to even more questions :D
It's impossible to please everyone :D
I suppose the scene is meant to show that the engineers on the planet had a means of space travel even though they appeared monk'ish. However what if those juggernauts in the ship-hold were actually the chariots of fresh meat that David commandeer. I don't think any engineers survived the initial onslaught. I mean if David had ships of his own why wouldn't he have just used them to escape.
I never got the impression David was in a hurry to leave. Not until he was ready to do so - not until he had perfected his first strain of the Alien. By baiting the Covenant into investigating the planet, he acquired more than just a way off the planet - he acquired all the resources to build an army as well.
Could he have done so with an undamaged engineer ship? Maybe, but by the end of the movie he certainly has more than enough resources that wouldn't have been aboard all the Juggernaut class combined. Human hosts.
He basically planned and patiently waited for his trap to spring. and it worked.
-Windebieste.
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 01, 2017, 11:46:04 AM
I never got the impression David was in a hurry to leave. Not until he was ready to do so - not until he had perfected his first strain of the Alien. By baiting the Covenant into investigating the planet, he acquired more than just a way off the planet - he acquired all the resources to build an army as well.
Could he have done so with an undamaged engineer ship? Maybe, but by the end of the movie he certainly has more than enough resources that wouldn't have been aboard all the Juggernaut class combined. Human hosts.
He basically planned and patiently waited for his trap to spring. and it worked.
-Windebieste.
Wait what? He didn't plan anything. Unless you're saying the neutrino burst was somehow set up by David. Anyone could have answered the distress signal. It just so happened it was a ship full of people.
Haag's concept art for this scene. Think he did a couple of others as well.
(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/005/937/324/large/wayne-haag-haag-iris-low-pov2-2k.jpg?1494852960)
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Quote from: windebieste on Aug 01, 2017, 11:46:04 AM
I never got the impression David was in a hurry to leave. Not until he was ready to do so - not until he had perfected his first strain of the Alien. By baiting the Covenant into investigating the planet, he acquired more than just a way off the planet - he acquired all the resources to build an army as well.
Could he have done so with an undamaged engineer ship? Maybe, but by the end of the movie he certainly has more than enough resources that wouldn't have been aboard all the Juggernaut class combined. Human hosts.
He basically planned and patiently waited for his trap to spring. and it worked.
-Windebieste.
Wait what? He didn't plan anything. Unless you're saying the neutrino burst was somehow set up by David. Anyone could have answered the distress signal. It just so happened it was a ship full of people.
Yea it seems very unlikely that he planned the entire thing, however as Walter said, he wasn't surprised to see him or any of the other people for that matter. I suppose, David knows all about the future expedition of Weyland corp, so why would he be surprised. It was only a matter of time before somebody arrived and that is the one thing David has lots of, time.
Still he said he was short of an essential ingredient... why wouldn't he just go out there and get it. Also the ion storms are supposed to have been one reason for his remaining hidden.... oh hell maybe he did cause the neutrino blast. The Dude has a god like intelligence, creating a neutrino bomb can't be that hard for someone like him. Yea, why not?
That should have been in the film...
There's only one kind of deleted scene that would've made this movie better. Sentry guns. Lots and lots of sentry guns. haha.
This is just another tomb.
Quote from: Highland on Aug 01, 2017, 01:20:50 PM
Quote from: windebieste on Aug 01, 2017, 11:46:04 AM
I never got the impression David was in a hurry to leave. Not until he was ready to do so - not until he had perfected his first strain of the Alien. By baiting the Covenant into investigating the planet, he acquired more than just a way off the planet - he acquired all the resources to build an army as well.
Could he have done so with an undamaged engineer ship? Maybe, but by the end of the movie he certainly has more than enough resources that wouldn't have been aboard all the Juggernaut class combined. Human hosts.
He basically planned and patiently waited for his trap to spring. and it worked.
-Windebieste.
Wait what? He didn't plan anything. Unless you're saying the neutrino burst was somehow set up by David. Anyone could have answered the distress signal. It just so happened it was a ship full of people.
Sure he planned it. Why else send a distress message that is clearly bait. As for him creating the nutrino burst? Nah. He didn't need to create that. Eventually WY or other organisation would have intercepted the transmission, decoded it and responded.
Of course he stayed deliberately. Look at how well it worked out for him. The results of good planning, I say.
Now if Admiral Ackbar had been flying passed at the time...
-Windebieste.
Staying deliberately is a bit of a stretch. Actually it's a bloody big stretch considering he needed a host to complete his plan. I mean yeah it's pretty obvious he made his creatures so one day someone would come down to the Planet.
Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Aug 01, 2017, 08:45:23 AM
Quote from: CainsSon on Aug 01, 2017, 02:23:10 AM
they didn't want people claiming it's a Plot hole that David never flew off on one of these ships...
It would have been a legitimate question. I can't remember if it's the book or the script, but one of them mentions that after David bombed the Engineers a containment protocol kicked in, grounding all the ships so they couldn't spread the infection. If that dialogue was never filmed or was also cut, it'd make sense to cut this scene to avoid people asking that very same question.
I think its possible to extrapolate that David doesn't want to head to Earth until he has created the creature he needed to wipe us out. That said, you'd think he was deliberately planning to somehow lure people here so he could create his specimens, right? But Covenant doesn't state that.
Maybe the Prequel novel will insinuate that the Company has been contacted by David?
Even with the ships being cut out with this scene, I think you have to assume that David is deliberately staying and wouldnt let Shaw leave, since unless, this line of dialogue was included like Hicks says above, we have to assume that there are other ships here David has the ability to fly. Whether we see them or not. We saw that giant scorpion looking thing as well. There must be more.
This is also, I think, why Shaw's signal depicts her trying to operate the controls of the Juggernaut, singing "Country road, take me home..." The idea being, she is trying to get the ship working and wants to leave, but she can't fly it. She needed David to do so and he wouldnt.
Fassbinder has also stated that he thought of David as some obsessed stalker that wouldn't let Shaw leave him.
The juggernaut crashed on the side of the hill. It says so in the film. David is stuck there.
Quote from: The Alien Predator on Jul 31, 2017, 10:40:14 PM
Amazing scene.
I like those Juggernauts parked inside of that hole. The hole was opening to allow David to eventually park it inside but he never did obviously.
The presence of those Juggernauts further supports that these are Engineers to me. Why would a created species have Juggernauts in their city?
I've been thinking the ships aren't all warships. They could be used to colonise other planets, like the Covenant.
If they're send to colonise or create, it makes more sense they come from their (religious) city.
Quote from: Highland on Aug 02, 2017, 03:58:36 AM
The juggernaut crashed on the side of the hill. It says so in the film. David is stuck there.
I think you're misunderstanding me. I know the ship crash landed, but since David is able to operate Engineer ships, it doesnt make any sense that there wouldnt be other Engineer ships on Planet 4 for David to fly off in. Not just Juggernauts, or Scorpion looking ships. Even others. They have a technologically superior civilization. Whether we see those ships or not, its easier to believe they exist than it is to believe they do not.
In fact, since this scene was filmed and David says he is "marooned" there, it points to there having been some sort of script changes during the second act that we arent really aware of.
We actually see another ship dock with the Juggernaut in the film. IE; It doesnt make sense that he can't use a different ship. The Engineers would have other ships even more than the ones we've already seen, right? So he doesn't WANT to leave. Why? Well, I think its easy to figure that out but the film doesnt tell you explicitly.
Hicks already said the book say's the other ships (which aren't in the movie) are disabled. He could use any ship he likes - if there were actually ships to fly. If his master plan was to make a perfect organism to destroy human kind, sitting on a dead Planet with signal of Shaw singing country road as a bait, probably isn't a decent plan.
This film was such a let down...no amount of extras can save it from its dire story.
Well I think we can safely say Walter,if he's still mobile,has means of escape.
It's a good scene that should have been included but I wish there was some sense of amazement that they've just landed on a planet that has the obvious signs of an alien civilisation in the form of a city and corpses.
Perhaps they thought they corpses were humans? They could easily be mistaken as such.