One of the controversial parts of Predator: Killer of Killers was indeed the final act where the three heroes, Ursa, Kenji and Torres, are captured, held in stasis and brought to an arena on a Predator planet to fight. That’s not all. In the closing moments of the film, as Predators are moving Ursa’s stasis tube, we see hundreds, maybe thousands, of stasis chambers containing alien creatures and human beings.
In one of them, there is none other than the Comanche warrior Naru held in stasis. The implication being that every person who kills a Predator is at some point captured by Predators and held in stasis.
This week, Michael Blackbear Uwandi has been sharing his concept art that he did for Predator: Killer of Killers. Earlier in the week, he posted some art of Amber Midthunder’s Naru character, but yesterday, he revealed some art of Predator 2’s Lt. Mike Harrigan, who would have been in a stasis chamber alongside Naru.
The time frame when the arena battle in Predator: Killer of Killers takes place is left ambiguous in the film. The Harrigan artwork must mean that it must take place well after Harrigan’s battle with City Hunter in 1997. This also explains how the Predators managed to retrieve Raphael Adolini’s Flintlock Pistol. Naru had been given it by Raphael Adolini in 1719 before Greyback gave it to Harrigan as a reward in 1997. At some point after that, the Predators give it to Torres in the arena battle.
I do have a lot of issues with the idea that every hero ultimately ends up kidnapped and held in stasis. This story concept isn’t completely from left field. Back before Rodriguez’s Predators was made in 2010, there were a few Predator 3 scripts making the rounds in Hollywood. One of them was called The Zoo, which included both Arnold Schwarzenegger’s Dutch Schaefer and Danny Glover’s Mike Harrigan. Both characters had been captured and brought back to the Predator homeworld.
Here’s Michael Blackbear Uwandi’s other artwork from this week, showing Amber Midthunder’s Naru. One with health monitors attached to her and one without.
What do you guys think? Was it a good idea to bring back heroes of past Predator films into a futuristic setting?
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Whoa...where do I find this museum!?
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On one hand, Trachtenberg beating to death the dead horse of the Predator 2 flintlock pistol might increase interest in P2, which I'm not against. On the other hand, increased interest in P2 in 2025 isn't going to lead to any kind of CdL style physical media release.
I was just thinking that, unless the shot was the two of them side-by side and it was clear who each of them were. But people are still discovering Predator 2, so maybe they'd be confused about who it was.
Don't get me wrong, I liked 3/4 part of Killer of Killers just fine, it's the "big concept" part that I am disappointed with, as Prey had none of that and stuck to the formula.
I like what he's doing, but I don't think you need to touch the OGs, I think it's cool he's using Naru. I'm all for him making a big giant playground with stuff he came up with, I just start to get a bit on edge with Dutch and Harrigan
He can have Royce if he wants though ha ha
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Danny's Boys
Yea, to be fair I mean the novels! I actually don't have all of the comics but I've got all of the novels. I like the details you get with the novels.
I think having alternate clans that don't all follow the same rules is cool.
I think having alternate clans that all don't follow the same rules start F***** with the old movies is very uncool.
It has been weighed; it has been measured; and it has been found wanting.
So you won't watch it then?
Only if SiL tells me it's mid.
Maybe I'm wrong but the planets landscape looks like the same planet that is shown in the badlands trailer when the Biker Elder rocks Dek and fam. Dan said that part of Badlands is Yautja Prime.
Nothing says that's what the planet was.
You'll never believe it's Harrigan because you won't watch it even if he's in it.
100%
The vision that I have, how I would like for this storyline to end up is for the flintlock to end up in Greyback's hands and then passed on to Harrigan as Predator 2 to always have been the nice closure of a even much longer spanning story.
I fear that just dropping off anyone from the past films in any way, just devalues the films itself instead as an interesting standalone stories, yet loosely connected in a strong narrative weave in the entire series as a whole. It's why I love PHG and how they tie everything together but also acknowledging the events as their own.
I also believe that it would help separate clan cultures and their own agendas, because the last thing I would like is to see all Predators behave the same way in bowing to the Warlord always and not having other clans not being cool of their prey being robbed from them. I can see Greyback easily have issues with Warlord for abducting Harrigan after acknowledging a worthy foe and even not only granting mercy but also giving a gift as another sign of respect. It's a huge reason why I'd speculate that the reason how he gotten the flintlock himself is that he acquired it from Naru somehow in an honorable way. He learned the words "take it" from somewhere, and due to being an Elder, I can't imagine him just killing her and taking it outright. His entire character seems too regal and even noble to do such a backhanded thing, even for being a Predator. At least his clan seems to have higher standards than current Predators we seen so far, so it just makes it even harder to imagine him scavenging it or stabbing them in the back for it.
Either way, Dans Clan seem to be running the show on Yautja Prime, presumably the home world.
Fully expecting Dek to be down to one bullet and he pulls out the pistol
Also they do come back for you later ( which is kind of dumb, I'm not going to lie) because we see that in the Pilot episode after he kills Sagat Predator. So based on KOK, this is how Dan see's this particular tribe of Predators, which is why he probably left Harrigan out other wise it would be like - P2 tribe member get's killed by Harrigan - Random band of outcast Predators hears this ( on the Predator news radio?) and goes back to find the exact guy........ nope that's rubbish
TLDR - he's left Harrigan out because it becomes a giant mess.
The ones holding the classic, beat up predator already were one and half his size, the king lizard was twice the size of the bigger ones. We can safely say these aren't all from the same clan.
But that also isn't the issue really.
The game, egh, the film isn't poor. It might be bad, but it isn't poor basically utilizing real-world assets (which are more like stock photos), and not much else than concept art that never really want too far with the Yautja lore.
It's this, but somehow almost everyone misses it.
The implication is that the warehouse contains all survivors, regardless of which tribe sent the hunter that lost. The big Wedlock neckband tribe who go after survivors only seemingly do so indiscriminately, but that reduces them to practically one dimensional entities.
If it was emphasized, it was in the books, the comics limited themselves to practically the same rule set as the two films, and only slightly bent the rules every now and then, and added minimal humanisation other than to hold a grudge.
It really depends. Technically they own the character of Hicks, but I think they are supposed to let the actor know that they will be using it. And in Beihn's case, they had kept it hidden from him. It's hard to say what was locked in years ago with Glover, but it's the reason why we could see some action figures of characters like Billy from Hot Toys, looking just like Sonny Landham, but has blonde hair. They can do what they want with the character, but may need to do some adjusting to make it not the same as the actual human who played them. But this mostly is around the area of merch, video games, and the like. Movies and character licensing for them are their own separate thing.
I could be super wrong on all of this though, just speaking from the experience of working with licenses at Bandai. We ran into it with Andrew Garfield's SHFiguarts Spiderman figure, where we had approval on the likeness, and the last minute Garfield's team pulled out right before release and we had to remove his unmasked head accessory. But because we took the unmasked head out, we were still able to release it since Sony & Marvel owned the character. It's a little easier to work around that since we can just remove his face from the overall product.
But then there is the Peter Cushing situation with Rogue One... Disney has claimed it "did not believe permission was required to recreate Cushing because of the terms of his contract in the original film and the nature of the special effects." They ended up paying Cushing's estate " about £28,000 " for the use of his likeness after the fact. So even with contracts, it's all messy.
Has that become a standard inclusion in contracts these days? Remember the Michael Biehn / Alien 3 likeness issue? Predator 2 was around the same time, so might not have been in his contract.
Danny Glover rellay was the hero we needed at the time.
The whole honor thing was really emphasized in the comics. It's much more ambiguous in the movies. I like that, it makes them feel more alien. There motivates feel unknowable. Also, too be fair that granny was packin'.
a tribe that wants humans from SOL to just be part of an arena....other wise the fact that Pred 87 and P2 were meant to wipe them off the face of existence which I'm all for. The fact that they could be from the future and came back to wipe humans off could just mean they are targeting the ALPHAs of society and they very well know who they are and an Arena event ala a John Carter of Mars thing is passe.
This article states that the events of KOK take place far into the future after the events of P2. I think that complicates things to much. I believe it takes place before P2, Greyback kills Torres and takes the pistol for his own trophy. Then gifts it to Harrigan at the end pf P2.
All the predators in Kok can merely be wiped off the canon/ore canvas in literally seconds, considering how little attention to plot development was placed by Dan. I sure hope the writing chores aren't the same in Badlands otherwise the franchise is in jeopardy. Given Dans writing chops, I'm sure he doesn't have anything to lose other than a shady fanbase made up of gamers.
Why are you assuming the culture is monolithic? It's entirely reasonable to think that the lost tribe were happy to let harrigan go, and then these shitters abducted him later.
The only part that requires much suspension of disbelief is that he'd have the pistol on him.
Usually the studio can own the likeness of a character to use in a film, they just can't use it to make toys or merch without permission. So I'm not sure if that was the case here.
Greyback and the more traditional Predators like the Jungle Hunter are probably an entirely different clan. It hasn't been officially confirmed yet but clearly the Warlord Predator and his people are not operating in the same way.