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“We Are Investigating Aliens From The Fan Perspective,” Talking Aliens Expanded with Writer/Director Ian Nathan & Executive Producer Robin Block – AvP Galaxy Podcast #152

We have just uploaded the 152nd episode of the Alien vs. Predator Galaxy Podcast (right-click and save as to download)! In this episode, Corporal Hicks is joined by Writer/Director Ian Nathan & Executive Producer Robin Block to discuss the upcoming fan produced and fan focused documentary Aliens Expanded!

 "We Are Investigating Aliens From The Fan Perspective," Talking Aliens Expanded with Writer/Director Ian Nathan & Executive Producer Robin Block - AvP Galaxy Podcast #152

We discuss Ian and Robin’s history with the franchise and documentary making, how Aliens Expanded stands out from the other documentaries about Aliens, the goals they have with Aliens Expanded, the legacy of Aliens and plenty more!

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  1. xShadowFoxX
    Quote from: TheDerelict on Apr 11, 2024, 01:20:01 PM
    Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Apr 11, 2024, 11:52:44 AM
    Quote from: TheDerelict on Apr 11, 2024, 11:09:49 AMDo you think there will ever be an Alien 3 Expanded documentary with Fincher involved?
    For that, you can have £100 and my soul. 😄
    I don't think that's ever gonna happen. Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection are the two that were fairly maligned back in the day and to an extent, today. They're not as universal as Alien and Aliens.

    My tongue was firmly in my cheek when I wrote that.
    How... Dare you?!

    I'm going to sleep.
  2. TheDerelict
    Quote from: xShadowFoxX on Apr 11, 2024, 11:52:44 AM
    Quote from: TheDerelict on Apr 11, 2024, 11:09:49 AMDo you think there will ever be an Alien 3 Expanded documentary with Fincher involved?
    For that, you can have £100 and my soul. 😄
    I don't think that's ever gonna happen. Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection are the two that were fairly maligned back in the day and to an extent, today. They're not as universal as Alien and Aliens.

    My tongue was firmly in my cheek when I wrote that.
  3. BigDaddyJohn
    Quote from: Xenomrph on Apr 09, 2024, 10:38:08 PMGot in an argument with the CreatorVC CEO on their discord about the novelty (or lack thereof) of making the minimum price for the Blu-ray release be $100 and justifying it by throwing in a bunch of extra bullshit like posters and patches to jack up the price.

    I argued for a less expensive version that didn't come with a bunch of extra nonsense. Here's some choice quotes I got as a reply:

    QuoteThen your going to miss out unfortunately. Our work is for superfans who recognise the value of what we're creating with them and for them. Our physical media is personalised, highly collectable and a limited run. Backers get to have their names in the credits alongside the cast of Aliens and James Cameron. The value is immeasurable

    QuoteThey way I look at it, is you either see the value in what we're offering or you don't. Our target audience shows up because they understand and appreciate what we deliver.

    QuoteFor you, I'd recommend thinking of the posters etc as extras. The price we put on our limited edition, personalised Blu-Rays won't change. It'll be a timeless connection to the Aliens universe that you can always point to and know you will have been part of.  The way I look at it is that it's a manifestation of your fandom - and a little bit special because of it 💫

    Worth pointing out that a "connection to the Alien universe" might have more weight if the project wasn't a fan project.
    Like, my name is in the Alien RPG. That's a connection to the Alien universe.

    $100 ??? What planet are they living on ?  :o
  4. GrimmVision
    Damn, the Alien Theory plagiarism stuff really disappoints me. Been a long time viewer of the videos he posts regarding Alien, and I guess I'm not here on the forums often enough to realize there's been multiple occurrences of it.  :-\

    I know of Mr. H. - Any other big names in the fandom that tote themselves around as genuine but are really kinda shitty? I'd love to know who to steer clear of.
  5. Corporal Hicks
    Quote from: SM on Apr 11, 2024, 03:27:11 AMI've thought about it a few times a while back, but you just end up looking like a bitter arsehole.  Thought about a lot more since the Hbomberguy video.

    This one?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQ

    QuoteUnfortunately it means watching hours of Alien Theory reading everyone else's homework and honestly who can be rooted?

    I don't think people are going to get much traction behind them without something like this. I remember a couple of examples posted before but it was only a couple of sentences verbatim from Xenopedia (iirc). He has a massive audience that wont be convinced without a good expose.

    I realize the irony of it, but I don't tend to watch a lot of Alien or Predator content creators. I read the hell out of articles and I listen to the other podcasters, but never been one for watching YouTubers. Collaborations have been suggested with him in the past, but I've always turned them down based on this stuff. But not all of the other podcasts have.

    But I do think a new topic might be warranted for this.

    Regarding Aliens Expanded. Obviously I'm biased because I did pledge for $140 for the physical media/shirt, and I did throw our support behind the project based on the pitch I was given that convinced me this wasn't just another Superior Firepower, but an exploration past just the making the film and will be posting about the Cameron announcement once some behind-the-scenes stuff is sorted and I can download the new trailer. 

    I am disappointed to hear that criticism of the price was deflected with a "true fan" vibe to them, that is never the best approach imo. But the comments about the documentary being released for free are somewhat off base, I feel. This isn't like me trying to get interviews with people. I can't remember if this happened to me or another podcast I spoke to, but fan outlets have been asked to pay for interviews before and it's something that then get turned down.

    These guys are a proper studio. Yes, it's not an "official" documentary but outside of the ones on the home releases, none are, but it is a professional setup with actual costs to cover, as well as trying to generate a profit to keep making more of these.

    I've yet to see a cut of the documentary (I was too overwhelmed to watch a limited time screener, and I can't make the screening in London) but I'm still hopeful this is a deeper look at Aliens as I was convinced. Hopefully I wont have egg on my face about the whole thing, but we'll be finding out soon.
  6. TheBATMAN
    I do feel sorry for the fans who put so much work into writing countless wiki pages and articles etc only for their work to be largely plagerised by youtubers who then get all the glory when it comes to media projects such as this.

    If AVPGalaxy and Xenopedia are not involved in this then it does feel wrong. Just another nail in the coffin of the written word if you ask me. I dispair that we live in an age where we need an 8 minute youtube video to tell us a single piece of information that could be written in a single sentence.
  7. SM
    My expectation weren't great initially mainly because between the CdL docos, the enhancement pods and the Rinzler book - is there really another films worth of material for this, or is it just people talking about cool gunz and sploshunz?  Then the saturation marketing on social media drove me spare and Alien Thievery was on the tail end of that (did Aaron and Adam get a call?) and I was like 'Yeah, nah, I'm good'.
  8. SM
    Quote from: Local Trouble on Apr 11, 2024, 01:41:09 AM
    Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 11, 2024, 12:30:35 AMDon't apologize, you have a right to be angry, especially since AT profits from that plagiarism. You should consider making a video exposing him. The more videos that does so, the more likely people will actually see him for what he is.

    Haven't you reached this point yet?

    https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYmowODFrYXhmamFlMzFza2NzbTliNmVhZ2Z1OGpmaWl1dWx5ZDV5biZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/rf1RrgRLwAEFO/giphy.gif
    I think it's time.

    I've thought about it a few times a while back, but you just end up looking like a bitter arsehole.  Thought about a lot more since the Hbomberguy video.  Unfortunately it means watching hours of Alien Theory reading everyone else's homework and honestly who can be rooted?
  9. Local Trouble
    Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 11, 2024, 12:30:35 AMDon't apologize, you have a right to be angry, especially since AT profits from that plagiarism. You should consider making a video exposing him. The more videos that does so, the more likely people will actually see him for what he is.

    Haven't you reached this point yet?

    https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYmowODFrYXhmamFlMzFza2NzbTliNmVhZ2Z1OGpmaWl1dWx5ZDV5biZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/rf1RrgRLwAEFO/giphy.gif

    I think it's time.
  10. The Cruentus
    Don't apologize, you have a right to be angry, especially since AT profits from that plagiarism. You should consider making a video exposing him. The more videos that does so, the more likely people will actually see him for what he is.
  11. xeno_alpha_07
    Quote from: The Cruentus on Apr 10, 2024, 11:46:40 PMYep, that is problem with using commments to expose people, they can just be deleted. Best to just make a youtube video exposing him. I've meaning to get around to do it myself but too many irons in the fire these days.

    Other channels, like Alien Theory, have also engaged in this practice. I've encountered numerous videos from different sources that replicate the same approach. For instance, one channel created two videos about Parker and Brett, utilizing the images and screenshots from my article, and essentially reciting my written content with minimal alterations. While I acknowledge that my old articles, most of which are no longer accessible online, may not be of the highest quality, it's still frustrating to see someone else profit from my research and efforts without proper credit. It's a sentiment shared by many. Other members of AVPGalaxy have experienced similar occurrences.

    Apologies for diverging from the main topic with this rant.

  12. The Cruentus
    Yep, that is problem with using commments to expose people, they can just be deleted. Best to just make a youtube video exposing him. I've meaning to get around to do it myself but too many irons in the fire these days.
  13. SM
    I responded to their initial survey and mentioned that I'd worked with Fox etc if they were interested.  Not especially being on camera, but helping out in some capacity. I've been told other people mentioned the same thing to them on my behalf.

    Never heard back.  The blacklisting continues.  ;D

    I may have shot myself in the foot by saying it should be really in depth and not just a hagiography (but also they should make the doco they want to make and not do it by popular opinion). I get the feeling they went hagiography.  And including Alien Thievery... f**king lol.
  14. Local Trouble
    Quote from: Local Trouble on Sep 18, 2022, 11:10:37 PMI can confidently speak for everyone when I say that this documentary needs SM.  They can even change his voice and darken the room so no one can see his face.  Like they do with UFO whistleblowers.

    That would make it worth the price.

    Quote from: The Cruentus on Nov 06, 2022, 03:00:34 PM
    Quote from: Local Trouble on Oct 06, 2022, 12:53:52 AMAnd it has Alien Theory.

    Someone should contact the production folks to alert them to that plagiarist.

    I wonder if anyone ever got around to that.
  15. BlueMarsalis79
    I have said it before and will say it again.

    Nearly anything trying to ride the hype of "Aliens" appears to be f**king cursed.

    I saw the same sycophantic "oh my god the greatest film ever made" shit with Colonial Marines.

    It comes across as disingenuous nonsense to market a product by preying on the genuine love for it.
  16. SiL
    Quote from: SiL on Oct 06, 2022, 12:46:29 AMI think it looks like fan-wanking back patting because that's how they've marketed it, not because there's anything wrong with celebrating a movie.

    The amount of hyperbole, the sycophantic praise, and the strange touches of alienating members of the fandom with comments like "Aliens is undoubtedly the high watermark of the franchise" are just really unappealing.

    I love documentaries that look at the cultural and industry impact of stories but when you're saying James Cameron is "the most hands on director in history", you're not setting yourself up as having a particularly good enough grasp of the subject matter to make an insightful point, y'know?
    It's good to see they've continued alienating people and being up their own arseholes.
  17. Mike’s Monsters
    Quote from: Darkness on Apr 10, 2024, 05:54:13 PMI was impressed that they had got Cameron on board but yeah, I did notice the price of the bluray being a bit high. But then they have got a lot of people on board and they aren't cheap to get all those people to participate in the interviews. They've done well to sort of get the project out there and get it noticed by people.

    I know I shouldn't think like this but I kinda feel things like this should be free. It's not often I do take part in kickstarters but one of the few things I did was a Friday 13th Fan Film. I think it was $35 for the bluray and a big part of that was shipping.

    I'm also impressed with some of the folks that they got on, but yet, wonder why they have some fans on more than others. I would have loved to see the AvPGalaxy guys on this instead of some other fan sites that haven't been around as long. I also know for a fact that they didn't at all reach out to Stan Winston's old company, now known Legacy Effects, but they got ADI? Not sure the thought process here. So while I'm impressed by some names, I'm scratching my head at some of their decisions on who should be in it.

    And I am also in the camp that this should be free. I'm not sure how to articulate it, but it feels like it should be free or on a streaming service to access. Hell, even a digital rental or something (Unless that's there and I've missed it). I know they eventually get these docs on Shudder and possibly Amazon, but that's a ways down the way and it's not guaranteed they'd even get it on a service.
  18. KiramidHead
    I backed Samurai Cop 2 and got blu-rays of both movies for no extra charge.

    Also glad to see there are more legitimate reasons to dislike these guys outside of my petty gripe about how annoying their YouTube advertising tactics are.
  19. Cosmic Incubation
    I backed and bought the blu-ray back when they announced this, but I can't lie, all this does put a bit of a bad taste in my mouth about it.

    All valid questions and concerns that they need to address and be more transparent about.
  20. Darkness
    I was impressed that they had got Cameron on board but yeah, I did notice the price of the bluray being a bit high. But then they have got a lot of people on board and they aren't cheap to get all those people to participate in the interviews. They've done well to sort of get the project out there and get it noticed by people.

    I know I shouldn't think like this but I kinda feel things like this should be free. It's not often I do take part in kickstarters but one of the few things I did was a Friday 13th Fan Film. I think it was $35 for the bluray and a big part of that was shipping.
  21. Mike’s Monsters
    Do they want people to actually watch this documentary? I'm not even going to think about throwing $100 for a dvd. If they don't do a lower tier price I am definitely going to be finding a way to watch it for free. But maybe that makes me an anti fan instead of super. This is kind of a joke, and I hate to say it. This whole thing has felt like a vanity project.
  22. Xenomrph
    Quote from: Nightmare Asylum on Apr 10, 2024, 05:09:06 PMAnd like, what about sales after the fact? I didn't back this thing, and I really don't care about having my name on the disc so I haven't been part of any wave of people putting down money on it to secure a disc now. If I want to grab it to watch it after it's already been rolled out, am I not enough of a "true fan" to be able to just order/purchase it like I would any other film? Am I still going to be paying that premium rate even once the credits have been locked?
    That's the bizarre part, for an allegedly "limited run" product, their "In Search of Darkness" trilogy was offered up after the fact (that's how I bought it). My name is not in the credits. Ditto with the FPS documentary.
  23. Nightmare Asylum
    And like, what about sales after the fact? I didn't back this thing, and I really don't care about having my name on the disc so I haven't been part of any wave of people putting down money on it to secure a disc now. If I want to grab it to watch it after it's already been rolled out, am I not enough of a "true fan" to be able to just order/purchase it like I would any other film? Am I still going to be paying that premium rate even once the credits have been locked?
  24. Xenomrph
    Yeah the more I think about it the less interested I am in buying it, I'll just pirate it if I really care.

    It's bizarre because I bought their "In Search of Darkness" trilogy set and it cost under $100 and didn't come with a bunch of random bullshit. Same with their FPS documentary.


    I just called them out on discord because the FPS documentary was $50 and the In Search of Darkness trilogy was $120 for all 3, and neither came with posters and other bullshit. If the Aliens one was $40-50 it would be a slam dunk.


    Edit, response:

    QuoteAs creators we want to hang out with our backers on here, not constantly having to defend our value

    Support related posts or complaints will be deleted and repeat offenders will be banned. It's just the wrong vibe
    Very much makes me not want to support 'The Thing' documentary (which I was very excited for), or anything else they do for that matter.
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