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Marvel Comics Teases Alien #1 with New Trailer and Preview Art!

Building upon the anticipation of Marvel’s first venture into Alien comics next month, Marvel Comics has just dropped an exciting new trailer and art pages to preview, promoting their new upcoming monthly comic series!

Written by Philip Kennedy Johnson and illustrated by artist Salvador Larroca in a series promised to explore “never-before-seen corners of the Alien universe”, this teaser provides us with a new glimpse into what awaits fans in this new chapter of comics in the Alien franchise!

And if that wasn’t exciting enough, Marvel Comics has officially teased the return of a very familiar face! Beware possible spoilers below.

In addition to the trailer, Marvel Comics has released new story information and preview art over at Marvel.com! Per their press release:

The new series will introduce readers to Gabriel Cruz who years ago almost literally gave his life to Weyland-Yutani when he barely survived an alien attack. Recently retired, Cruz is trying to patch things up with his abandoned son with the help of his friend, a Bishop-model android, but his re-entry into civilian life is not going smoothly…and his encounters with the deadly Xenomorph are far from over. No one is safe. No one is innocent. And no one can hear you scream. See the terrors in store in this all-new thrilling trailer, featuring never-before-seen artwork from the highly anticipated issue.

Marvel Comics ALIEN 1 Art Preview

Writer Philip Kennedy Johnson also participated in a new interview with Newsarama and had this to say about the upcoming series:

“As a lifelong superfan of the franchise, getting to write the launch of Marvel’s ALIEN was one of the biggest thrills of my writing career,” Johnson told Newsarama in a recent interview. “ALIEN coming to Marvel feels like the beginning of a new era for the franchise, especially with the announcement of the upcoming TV series, and the gravity of being the first writer of that era is definitely not lost on me. After all the amazing work Marvel has done with the Star Wars franchise, I know the fans want to see greatness come from ALIEN as well, as they should. We’re all giving everything we have to deliver on that, and I’m confident fans will love what they see.”

 Marvel Comics Teases Alien #1 with New Trailer and Preview Art!

What other surprises does Marvel Comics have in store for Alien fans? Find out when Alien #1 hits comic shelves everywhere on the 24th of March! And be sure to keep your motion tracker pointed towards Alien vs. Predator Galaxy for all the latest Alien comic news!

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  1. [cancerblack]
    I don’t think people understand how labor intensive it is to do 100+ pieces of art for a single issue comic in one month’s time.

    I have some experience here and this is a valid point.


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    Artists are going to cut corners or face missing deadlines which could lead to less opportunities down the line.

    This is a problem with the industry and in particular, certain publishers. It might be how it goes, but that doesn't make it acceptable, either as working conditions for artists or as end results.


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    But, unfortunately if this is something that’s going to overly bother people than maybe they should just not read the comics.

    I don't.
  2. RidgeTop
    Let's keep things from getting personal, folks. It's perfectly fine to enjoy the comic if you're into it, it's also fair for people to call this stuff out and avoid the comic because of it.

    Just for clarification I didn't mean to slight you Ridgetop with that comment. I just noticed you're not big on seeing the prequel stuff make its way into the rest of the series so I assumed incorrectly that's why it stood out to you. No malice or hostility meant with that comment, and saying "hate" was just hyperbole

    Thanks for the clarification. No harm, no foul.
  3. Trash Queen
    I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?

    Certainly not a good look. Frankly he’s lucky he has a good colorist for this Alien comic.

    Also has straight up stolen from DeviantArt. I like how they call it a “mistake.”

    https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

    As Voodoo said, I’ve been going down a rabbit hole lately, and yes, it is possible that this happened more under Dark Horse than we realized...

    https://i.imgur.com/MQUtf4d.png

    This was from a comic we really praised the art of as well.

    I don’t think all the criticism should be levied at the artists though, this is a big problem with the industry itself, crushing deadlines and all that.

    But some artists like Land and Larroca seem particularly blatant about it, and that should also be called out.

    I don’t think people understand how labor intensive it is to do 100+ pieces of art for a single issue comic in one month’s time. Artists are going to cut corners or face missing deadlines which could lead to less opportunities down the line. But, unfortunately if this is something that’s going to overly bother people than maybe they should just not read the comics.

    We get it, you're a supporter, you can stop defending shitty artists and shittier practices now.

    Demand better, going along with it, actually helps nobody.

    Not the creator, not the consumer, not even the damn company in the long run.
  4. SM
    Colonial Marines went off the rails after they left Joliet.

    SM: Judge dredd is for the most part now these days color and very realistic style, as example: nick percivals oncoming work, he post them on his facebook page when he finish them time to time, last couple of months he has done these:

    https://scontent.fbma2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/165332386_10217920902605322_7289838656510786624_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=fixoxrvI638AX8NNguf&_nc_ht=scontent.fbma2-1.fna&oh=28fcbde3ef53eb92d4748fb8ae37ed56&oe=608158A0

    https://scontent.fbma2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/161435783_10217870216738207_7563723790376826268_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=4Pkf5DqwKLEAX-hSGFZ&_nc_ht=scontent.fbma2-1.fna&oh=1f92bc59318cb456cf921bc905eb34b3&oe=60830A62

    https://scontent.fbma2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/152130409_10217709410838160_19501244400572410_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=pyuUu-IvKl0AX90qhrq&_nc_ht=scontent.fbma2-1.fna&oh=c94ae892aecb63bd3bd2ee75bc7d0c03&oe=6084475C

    Greg Staples dark justice page:
    https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/hostedimages/1473535136i/20478339._SX540_.jpg

    all of them handpainted on real paper.

    Noice.
  5. Whiskeybrewer
    I guarantee it happened less back in the old DH days, because I remember one of the frequent complaints about old DH press comics was that they were never released on time for all kinds of different titles. 

    So you are kind of working with a catch 22.  Take time and have better untraced art that might slow a whole project by a couple of months time, or cut corners and very obviously trace.

    If I remember right Colonial Marines was a series that missed so many timelines/deadlines that they ended up chopping two issues off the ending because it was so hopelessly behind schedule. 

    The comic just basically ends and everbody was asking about why that was, and DH was basically just like, "Oh, it was always supposed to be that way."  Despite it very obviously going from 12 issues to ten issues in the issue count.

    Of course there are some artist that don't seem to have that problem, but those same artist aren't going to want to do work on the same title for the rest of their careers.

    Yeah i think they smooshed 5 issues of story into the final 3 issues of that.



    I know its something thats not bound to happen, but i would love for a series to be completed or an arc to be completed before they put it out
  6. judge death
    SM: Judge dredd is for the most part now these days color and very realistic style, as example: nick percivals oncoming work, he post them on his facebook page when he finish them time to time, last couple of months he has done these:

    https://scontent.fbma2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/165332386_10217920902605322_7289838656510786624_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=fixoxrvI638AX8NNguf&_nc_ht=scontent.fbma2-1.fna&oh=28fcbde3ef53eb92d4748fb8ae37ed56&oe=608158A0

    https://scontent.fbma2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/161435783_10217870216738207_7563723790376826268_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=4Pkf5DqwKLEAX-hSGFZ&_nc_ht=scontent.fbma2-1.fna&oh=1f92bc59318cb456cf921bc905eb34b3&oe=60830A62

    https://scontent.fbma2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/152130409_10217709410838160_19501244400572410_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=pyuUu-IvKl0AX90qhrq&_nc_ht=scontent.fbma2-1.fna&oh=c94ae892aecb63bd3bd2ee75bc7d0c03&oe=6084475C

    Greg Staples dark justice page:
    https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/hostedimages/1473535136i/20478339._SX540_.jpg

    all of them handpainted on real paper.
  7. SM
    I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?

    Certainly not a good look. Frankly he’s lucky he has a good colorist for this Alien comic.

    Also has straight up stolen from DeviantArt. I like how they call it a “mistake.”

    https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

    As Voodoo said, I’ve been going down a rabbit hole lately, and yes, it is possible that this happened more under Dark Horse than we realized...

    https://i.imgur.com/MQUtf4d.png

    This was from a comic we really praised the art of as well.

    I don’t think all the criticism should be levied at the artists though, this is a big problem with the industry itself, crushing deadlines and all that.

    But some artists like Land and Larroca seem particularly blatant about it, and that should also be called out.

    I don’t think people understand how labor intensive it is to do 100+ pieces of art for a single issue comic in one month’s time. Artists are going to cut corners or face missing deadlines which could lead to less opportunities down the line. But, unfortunately if this is something that’s going to overly bother people than maybe they should just not read the comics.

    It's very intensive but they don't do the art on a month by month basis.  An actual artist can correct me, but as far as I can tell the they're a couple of issues ahead of the current issue with the artwork.

    As for 2000AD, I don't know what it's like now but my old Dredd, Nemesis, Halo Jones et al comics are black and white, which may have made the process quicker.
  8. Immortan Jonesy
    I think there is no excuse, but I wonder if artists who work in the comic industry can build buffers.

    Quote from: webcomicalliance
    You’ve all heard about them, and if you’ve been in the game for a few years, you wonder if they’re even achievable – I’m talking about the elusive buffer.

    It’s one of the most prized assets of comic artists who have a specific posting schedule. Perhaps you’re one of those folks who post a page once a week and would love to be able to have an extra update in the can – in the event life happens to strike and ruins your schedule. Or perhaps you’re part of the group of creators that posts 5 days a week and has that ultimate wish to have 3-5 days worth of strips on hand.

    How to Build a Buffer ~
  9. Kimarhi
    I guarantee it happened less back in the old DH days, because I remember one of the frequent complaints about old DH press comics was that they were never released on time for all kinds of different titles. 

    So you are kind of working with a catch 22.  Take time and have better untraced art that might slow a whole project by a couple of months time, or cut corners and very obviously trace.

    If I remember right Colonial Marines was a series that missed so many timelines/deadlines that they ended up chopping two issues off the ending because it was so hopelessly behind schedule. 

    The comic just basically ends and everbody was asking about why that was, and DH was basically just like, "Oh, it was always supposed to be that way."  Despite it very obviously going from 12 issues to ten issues in the issue count.

    Of course there are some artist that don't seem to have that problem, but those same artist aren't going to want to do work on the same title for the rest of their careers. 

  10. judge death
    I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?

    Certainly not a good look. Frankly he’s lucky he has a good colorist for this Alien comic.

    Also has straight up stolen from DeviantArt. I like how they call it a “mistake.”

    https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

    As Voodoo said, I’ve been going down a rabbit hole lately, and yes, it is possible that this happened more under Dark Horse than we realized...

    https://i.imgur.com/MQUtf4d.png

    This was from a comic we really praised the art of as well.

    I don’t think all the criticism should be levied at the artists though, this is a big problem with the industry itself, crushing deadlines and all that.

    But some artists like Land and Larroca seem particularly blatant about it, and that should also be called out.

    I don’t think people understand how labor intensive it is to do 100+ pieces of art for a single issue comic in one month’s time. Artists are going to cut corners or face missing deadlines which could lead to less opportunities down the line. But, unfortunately if this is something that’s going to overly bother people than maybe they should just not read the comics.

    Which is one of the major reasons I never actually complained when, say, Dead Orbit kept getting delays between issues. I was more than happy to wait longer for higher quality work. I wish fewer comics were locked into strict mostly release slots.
    Same for 2000AD who delays instead and releases comics very often, judge dredd series is ongoing since the 1970s :P
  11. Nightmare Asylum
    I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?

    Certainly not a good look. Frankly he’s lucky he has a good colorist for this Alien comic.

    Also has straight up stolen from DeviantArt. I like how they call it a “mistake.”

    https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

    As Voodoo said, I’ve been going down a rabbit hole lately, and yes, it is possible that this happened more under Dark Horse than we realized...

    https://i.imgur.com/MQUtf4d.png

    This was from a comic we really praised the art of as well.

    I don’t think all the criticism should be levied at the artists though, this is a big problem with the industry itself, crushing deadlines and all that.

    But some artists like Land and Larroca seem particularly blatant about it, and that should also be called out.

    I don’t think people understand how labor intensive it is to do 100+ pieces of art for a single issue comic in one month’s time. Artists are going to cut corners or face missing deadlines which could lead to less opportunities down the line. But, unfortunately if this is something that’s going to overly bother people than maybe they should just not read the comics.

    Which is one of the major reasons I never actually complained when, say, Dead Orbit kept getting delays between issues. I was more than happy to wait longer for higher quality work. I wish fewer comics were locked into strict mostly release slots.
  12. Prez
    I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?

    Certainly not a good look. Frankly he’s lucky he has a good colorist for this Alien comic.

    Also has straight up stolen from DeviantArt. I like how they call it a “mistake.”

    https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

    As Voodoo said, I’ve been going down a rabbit hole lately, and yes, it is possible that this happened more under Dark Horse than we realized...

    https://i.imgur.com/MQUtf4d.png

    This was from a comic we really praised the art of as well.

    I don’t think all the criticism should be levied at the artists though, this is a big problem with the industry itself, crushing deadlines and all that.

    But some artists like Land and Larroca seem particularly blatant about it, and that should also be called out.

    I don’t think people understand how labor intensive it is to do 100+ pieces of art for a single issue comic in one month’s time. Artists are going to cut corners or face missing deadlines which could lead to less opportunities down the line. But, unfortunately if this is something that’s going to overly bother people than maybe they should just not read the comics.

    Despite my previous comments on this whole situation ... you're absolutely spot on here!
    I know how time consuming it was just to produce one hand drawn label for a bloody beer can recently.
  13. Xiggz456
    I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?

    Certainly not a good look. Frankly he’s lucky he has a good colorist for this Alien comic.

    Also has straight up stolen from DeviantArt. I like how they call it a “mistake.”

    https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

    As Voodoo said, I’ve been going down a rabbit hole lately, and yes, it is possible that this happened more under Dark Horse than we realized...

    https://i.imgur.com/MQUtf4d.png

    This was from a comic we really praised the art of as well.

    I don’t think all the criticism should be levied at the artists though, this is a big problem with the industry itself, crushing deadlines and all that.

    But some artists like Land and Larroca seem particularly blatant about it, and that should also be called out.

    I don’t think people understand how labor intensive it is to do 100+ pieces of art for a single issue comic in one month’s time. Artists are going to cut corners or face missing deadlines which could lead to less opportunities down the line. But, unfortunately if this is something that’s going to overly bother people than maybe they should just not read the comics.
  14. RidgeTop
    I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?

    Certainly not a good look. Frankly he’s lucky he has a good colorist for this Alien comic.

    Also has straight up stolen from DeviantArt. I like how they call it a “mistake.”

    https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics-error-deviant-art-canon-mistake/

    As Voodoo said, I’ve been going down a rabbit hole lately, and yes, it is possible that this happened more under Dark Horse than we realized...

    https://i.imgur.com/MQUtf4d.png

    This was from a comic we really praised the art of as well.

    I don’t think all the criticism should be levied at the artists though, this is a big problem with the industry itself, crushing deadlines and all that.

    But some artists like Land and Larroca seem particularly blatant about it, and that should also be called out.
  15. Voodoo Magic
    Dark Horse is definitely not as egregious and to try and imply that they did the same thing after all the bullshit cover thievery to the lazy lifelessness of the final artwork is disingenuous bullshit.

    Please take it down a notch SM. I'm not good at finding these things myself but RidgeTop went looking in DH's Alien: The Original Screenplay and found an array of tracing that Hicks, Eric nor I caught. So in terms of recent Alien, until someone goes looking in releases like F&S and L&D etc., to be fair, we don't know, until we know (sadly).


    I can tell you having read most every Dark Horse graphic novel in existence, and having nearly every Alien image committed to memory because I'm something of a sperg, that the tracing's basically nonexistent in any of the good ones apart from a single panel in Thicker Than Blood that clearly referenced a popular Alien Isolation pose.

    Speaking about AvP Thicker than Blood, RT just dipped his toe in and found his first tracing there and it has nothing to do with Isolation.  :o  Mad respect for his eagle-eyes! Since it's his find though, I'll let him share it. That's why I say let's see how deep the rabbit hole goes with Dark Horse.  :-\
  16. 426Buddy
    It is disengenous to say DH had done anything on this level and that's counting Alien the original screenplay. I think Ridgetop noticed that because he hates prometheus so much.

     ???

    Again, please take it down a notch guys. It's okay to disagree but let's try to do it without all the hostility.

    Just for clarification I didn't mean to slight you Ridgetop with that comment. I just noticed you're not big on seeing the prequel stuff make its way into the rest of the series so I assumed incorrectly that's why it stood out to you. No malice or hostility meant with that comment, and saying "hate" was just hyperbole

  17. Russ840
    I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?


    Another thing that's confusing me - why is this more expensive on Kindle?

    Single issues of digital comics were generally around $5 and this is $7.50.  Does it have a higher the usual page count because it's a first issue?

    I was not aware of that incident.

    It does have a higher page count. But no idea why it’s further inflated on kindle.
  18. Nightmare Asylum
    Another thing that's confusing me - why is this more expensive on Kindle?

    Single issues of digital comics were generally around $5 and this is $7.50.  Does it have a higher the usual page count because it's a first issue?

    I think its page count is a bit higher, which is reflected in its $4.99 USD price as opposed to Marvel's standard $3.99. No idea why they would bump it up even more for Kindle. :-X
  19. SM
    I think publicly shitting on one of his colourists and making sure everyone knew she was a woman might qualify?


    Another thing that's confusing me - why is this more expensive on Kindle?

    Single issues of digital comics were generally around $5 and this is $7.50.  Does it have a higher the usual page count because it's a first issue?
  20. SM
    I feel like background tracing isn't nearly as bad as tracing characters

    Possibly.

    It's just hackery.  Whether it's because the artist is lazy, untalented, or under unreasonable pressures - it's still hackery and ends up looking cheap.

    Use stills for reference - don't copy them wholesale.

    And criticism of Marvel for the way they've handled this whole thing isn't equating Larocca with Land.  It's criticism of Marvel.  Obviously.  Larocca can get criticised for his own faults.
  21. RidgeTop
    But Salvador Larroca should not be getting hammered because of Land either.

    I'm not saying he should be, because he has his own pretty damning track record when it comes to this sort of thing:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMxz7diVwAAkNYs?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

    Also, I'm looking forward to when the Toyota LQ Concept goes into production in 180 years:

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/783114751713738754/824478192735223898/unknown.png
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/783114751713738754/824478156207554600/unknown.png

    I don't think Dark Horse had much of a track record of this though really. From what I've seen we have:

    Aliens: Fire & Stone, which wasn't so much theft as it was Patrick Reynolds tracing his own collaged reference and elements, which isn't egregious but I still think make things look too stiff.

    Aliens: Rescue, the variant covers were swiped.

    and Alien: The Original Screenplay, where the environmental backgrounds were swiped. 

    What we've seen done by Marvel already in terms of artwork is pretty concerning. However I've also seen some great variant covers from Marvel by artists who I see no evidence of this behavior.
  22. Trash Queen
    Dark Horse is definitely not as egregious and to try and imply that they did the same thing after all the bullshit cover thievery to the lazy lifelessness of the final artwork is disingenuous bullshit.

    Please take it down a notch SM. I'm not good at finding these things myself but RidgeTop went looking in DH's Alien: The Original Screenplay and found an array of tracing that Hicks, Eric nor I caught. So in terms of recent Alien, until someone goes looking in releases like F&S and L&D etc., to be fair, we don't know, until we know (sadly).


    I can tell you having read most every Dark Horse graphic novel in existence, and having nearly every Alien image committed to memory because I'm something of a sperg, that the tracing's basically nonexistent in any of the good ones apart from a single panel in Thicker Than Blood that clearly referenced a popular Alien Isolation pose.

    I have already said for years I despise Fire and Stone for this reason amongst others.

    And Salvador Larroca deserves every bit of ire he gets.
  23. [cancerblack]
    Read that Marvel used warhammer 40K figures they traced for some venom comics and got shit and threats of suement from the owners of warcraft 40k, seems they didnt learn from it.

    It wasn't even that much effort, they just ripped models directly the from Dawn of War videogame and didn't even trace or recolour them, just shrunk/upscaled a few parts (in ways that don't even look any good or make any sense).

    Or maybe you mean the time they actually did draw a 1:1 copy of what amounts to an "rpg pistol" from 40k, then added a weird fuel tank and grappling hook to it?

    I've posted both earlier in the thread.
    Ahh! Sorry I missed that, learned that 2 days ago when I was reading about spiderman and found this stated in reviews that took up venom.

    Here's the post about Venom: Space Knight from earlier. Looks like they did use some kind of shader/filter to make it look like line art but I doubt there was any manual tracing, that would have been too much work:

    Here's an oldie but a goodie, Venom: Space Knight using Dawn of War videogame models (the tan coloured vehicles). Presumably to dodge copyright (GW is one of the few organizations as litigious as Disney, or was at the time), but possibly through sheer laziness or incompetence, they also managed to scale up the main chassis by an order of magnitude or two, while leaving the drones (front), missile rack (top), access hatches (side), and engines (side, upper) in the original scale.

    Marvel fans of the day assured me this was not an uncommon event.

    https://graphicpolicy.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/marvel-tau-1.jpg?resize=860%2C718
    https://graphicpolicy.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/marvel-tau-2.jpg?w=860


    And some of the Spider Man panels with the Bolt Pistol, compared with an actual tiny plastic gun from the miniatures:

    https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/2009/1/8/d60d38eff3784757b91e1fb19419007d_661.jpg__thumb

    https://megabitzshop.com/media/image/product/2180/md/warhammer-40k-bitz-catachan-command-squad-bolt-pistol.jpg
  24. Russ840
    My original comment about all this was to point out that what Larroca does by photo referencing and tracing is no different to what is done by other artists for other publications.

    At no point am I trying to defend Greg Land’s shoddy, stolen work.

    It just seems to me that, because of Land, a lot of people are just looking to throw negativity towards the new Marvel work.

    So SM. I was not trying to be disingenuous with my point. Just neutral. 


    Let's keep it civil here, folks.

    I think Ridgetop noticed that because he hates prometheus so much. And I understand that series HAD to be rushed out because they were losing the license.

    But I get it, whatabout-ism helps make the pill go down easier for those shelling out money for this when they know before-hand that it's just lazy traced work.

    This seems to be a growing trend in the industry but Marvel appears to be leading the charge.

    I don't hate Prometheus, I was very disappointed in it in the context of an Alien prequel. I've always said as a stand-alone sci-fi I quite enjoy it, and I still watch it from time to time. Actually the ship designs in both Covenant and Prometheus were some of the things I liked the most, which is why I was quick to notice them. Copying those backgrounds is deserving of criticism but certainly not as bad as straight up stealing from a fellow comic artist like what happened with Land.

    But Salvador Larroca should not be getting hammered because of Land either.
  25. RidgeTop
    Let's keep it civil here, folks.

    I think Ridgetop noticed that because he hates prometheus so much. And I understand that series HAD to be rushed out because they were losing the license.

    But I get it, whatabout-ism helps make the pill go down easier for those shelling out money for this when they know before-hand that it's just lazy traced work.

    This seems to be a growing trend in the industry but Marvel appears to be leading the charge.

    I don't hate Prometheus, I was very disappointed in it in the context of an Alien prequel. I've always said as a stand-alone sci-fi I quite enjoy it, and I still watch it from time to time. Actually the ship designs in both Covenant and Prometheus were some of the things I liked the most, which is why I was quick to notice them. Copying those backgrounds is deserving of criticism but certainly not as bad as straight up stealing from a fellow comic artist like what happened with Land. 
  26. Trash Queen
    Dark Horse is definitely not as egregious and to try and imply that they did the same thing after all the bullshit cover thievery to the lazy lifelessness of the final artwork is disingenuous bullshit.

    Please take it down a notch SM. I'm not good at finding these things myself but RidgeTop went looking in DH's Alien: The Original Screenplay and found an array of tracing that Hicks, Eric nor I caught. So in terms of recent Alien, until someone goes looking in releases like F&S and L&D etc., to be fair, we don't know, until we know (sadly).

    The Aliens fire and stone tracing has been known for a long while now. There is no tracing in L&D.

    I'de bet that Marvel has put out more traced or stolen art before the release of their first f*cking issue than in the whole DH line up. And DH never put out anything as egregiously traced as Marvel issue 1. The  action figures are so obvious it wasn't going to be missed even if no one was looking for it.

    It is disengenous to say DH had done anything on this level and that's counting Alien the original screenplay. I think Ridgetop noticed that because he hates prometheus so much. And I understand that series HAD to be rushed out because they were losing the license.

    But I get it, whatabout-ism helps make the pill go down easier for those shelling out money for this when they know before-hand that it's just lazy traced work.

    This seems to be a growing trend in the industry but Marvel appears to be leading the charge.


    All of this yes, even if RidgeTop's totally, entitled to that opinion.
  27. judge death
    Read that Marvel used warhammer 40K figures they traced for some venom comics and got shit and threats of suement from the owners of warcraft 40k, seems they didnt learn from it.

    It wasn't even that much effort, they just ripped models directly the from Dawn of War videogame and didn't even trace or recolour them, just shrunk/upscaled a few parts (in ways that don't even look any good or make any sense).

    Or maybe you mean the time they actually did draw a 1:1 copy of what amounts to an "rpg pistol" from 40k, then added a weird fuel tank and grappling hook to it?

    I've posted both earlier in the thread.
    Ahh! Sorry I missed that, learned that 2 days ago when I was reading about spiderman and found this stated in reviews that took up venom.
  28. [cancerblack]
    Read that Marvel used warhammer 40K figures they traced for some venom comics and got shit and threats of suement from the owners of warcraft 40k, seems they didnt learn from it.

    It wasn't even that much effort, they just ripped models directly the from Dawn of War videogame and didn't even trace or recolour them, just shrunk/upscaled a few parts (in ways that don't even look any good or make any sense).

    Or maybe you mean the time they actually did draw a 1:1 copy of what amounts to an "rpg pistol" from 40k, then added a weird fuel tank and grappling hook to it?

    I've posted both earlier in the thread.
  29. SM
    Dark Horse is definitely not as egregious and to try and imply that they did the same thing after all the bullshit cover thievery to the lazy lifelessness of the final artwork is disingenuous bullshit.

    Please take it down a notch SM. I'm not good at finding these things myself but RidgeTop went looking in DH's Alien: The Original Screenplay and found an array of tracing that Hicks, Eric nor I caught. So in terms of recent Alien, until someone goes looking in releases like F&S and L&D etc., to be fair, we don't know, until we know (sadly).

    The Aliens fire and stone tracing has been known for a long while now. There is no tracing in L&D.

    I'de bet that Marvel has put out more traced or stolen art before the release of their first f*cking issue than in the whole DH line up. And DH never put out anything as egregiously traced as Marvel issue 1. The  action figures are so obvious it wasn't going to be missed even if no one was looking for it.

    It is disengenous to say DH had done anything on this level and that's counting Alien the original screenplay. I think Ridgetop noticed that because he hates prometheus so much. And I understand that series HAD to be rushed out because they were losing the license.

    But I get it, whatabout-ism helps make the pill go down easier for those shelling out money for this when they know before-hand that it's just lazy traced work.

    This seems to be a growing trend in the industry but Marvel appears to be leading the charge.


    Take it down a notch there Bud - DH doing some well known and discussed tracing in a couple of books over the course of 30+ years is exactly the same as Marvel doing it right out of the gate and stealing the work of other artists.

    Exactly. The.  Same.
  30. 426Buddy
    Dark Horse is definitely not as egregious and to try and imply that they did the same thing after all the bullshit cover thievery to the lazy lifelessness of the final artwork is disingenuous bullshit.

    Please take it down a notch SM. I'm not good at finding these things myself but RidgeTop went looking in DH's Alien: The Original Screenplay and found an array of tracing that Hicks, Eric nor I caught. So in terms of recent Alien, until someone goes looking in releases like F&S and L&D etc., to be fair, we don't know, until we know (sadly).

    The Aliens fire and stone tracing has been known for a long while now. There is no tracing in L&D.

    I'de bet that Marvel has put out more traced or stolen art before the release of their first f*cking issue than in the whole DH line up. And DH never put out anything as egregiously traced as Marvel issue 1. The  action figures are so obvious it wasn't going to be missed even if no one was looking for it.

    It is disengenous to say DH had done anything on this level and that's counting Alien the original screenplay. I think Ridgetop noticed that because he hates prometheus so much. And I understand that series HAD to be rushed out because they were losing the license.

    But I get it, whatabout-ism helps make the pill go down easier for those shelling out money for this when they know before-hand that it's just lazy traced work.

    This seems to be a growing trend in the industry but Marvel appears to be leading the charge.
  31. Voodoo Magic
    Dark Horse is definitely not as egregious and to try and imply that they did the same thing after all the bullshit cover thievery to the lazy lifelessness of the final artwork is disingenuous bullshit.

    Please take it down a notch SM. I'm not good at finding these things myself but RidgeTop went looking in DH's Alien: The Original Screenplay and found an array of tracing that Hicks, Eric nor I caught. So in terms of recent Alien, until someone goes looking in releases like F&S and L&D etc., to be fair, we don't know, until we know (sadly).
  32. judge death
    its what the person called using tracing for, like taking neca toys and pictures and then trace it, apparently some call it photoshop comics and prefers that more realistic style, learned that yesterday. But yep, photoshop isnt the problem in this case.
  33. judge death
    I just hope, in other future comics to come, Marvel doesn't feel the need to constantly go for "realism" and actually hire artists that will put their own stamp on things. So many of Dark Horse's best books looked totally unique from one another (and didn't attempt to just go for photorealism), and were all the better for it.

    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/d/d0/ASSelkirk4.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20210124205502
    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/229780/Previews/8b7157ea490c2813b937b2d3a5709bec._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/P3ONkt2Mfcaiiy5nGCHlawaNNaeOSvVa24etHMIEkV0glJACjQ8TOppijdPCVDH6HlQzKiMlheSgYRjZqx6VqC-40vjMxfflktdLW9Sc5xRe89sO91E1sFbylsE0

    Comics don't always have to ape the look/feel of movies, nor do they all have to look like one another. Let this medium be used to its fullest potential in a variety of different ways.
    LOVE dead orbite! The art in that one is good and easy to remember, hard to mistake for anything else, and waiting to get my copy of inhuman condition, looking forward to it :D

    Remember someone on twitter saying that all artists in modern comics are using photoshop and its where comics will go, calling them photoshop comics. I´m so glad that we have 2000AD and others who make stunning original real life paintings for their comics, example dark justice from 2012 was all hand painted and took 4 years to make but it blows everything I´ve seen out of the water :D
  34. SM
    Dark Horse is definitely not as egregious and to try and imply that they did the same thing after all the bullshit cover thievery to the lazy lifelessness of the final artwork is disingenuous bullshit.
  35. Russ840
    Second Printing:

    https://i0.wp.com/www.tripwiremagazine.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/image002-4.jpg?w=496

    http://www.tripwiremagazine.co.uk/headlines/alien-1-returns-to-comic-shops-with-second-printing/

    Im loving the constant focus on traced art and yet no one seems to be calling Dark Horse on it ( other than Ridgetop) for Alien the original screenplay.


    I think it's just as big an issue there, honestly, though it becomes more apparent in this case because it is from an "artist" that has a long history of doing this, over and over and over again, and Marvel does absolutely nothing about it.

    As I said over in the other thread. It seems to be a thing with the industry. It’s more common than we think. But because ‘Marvel’, we are all over it.

    Nice way to dismiss people's criticism, I know I've mentioned it regarding DH multiple times and also in this very thread.

    I don't think Russ is dismissing it per say, but there has definitely been a lot more spotlight on Marvel's Alien #1 than anything before with Dark Horse in regards to this issue. I think he's right about that.

    However to me though, it's not necessarily because it's Marvel, but rather the fact Tristan Jones shined a big spotlight on the issue to us Alien fans recently when he accused Greg Land of plagiarizing some of his artwork on the upcoming Omnibus. It was a loud enough noise that some media outlets even picked it up.

    So now everyone is looking at every piece of artwork and trying to find out its reference source, (hence RidgeTop with TOS) and it has all snowballed I think. So perhaps Dark Horse is just as egregious recently, but as luck would have it, they just missed the looming storm? It's only a question for readers with better eyes than me can answer. :)

    Exactly. 

  36. Nightmare Asylum
    I just hope, in other future comics to come, Marvel doesn't feel the need to constantly go for "realism" and actually hire artists that will put their own stamp on things. So many of Dark Horse's best books looked totally unique from one another (and didn't attempt to just go for photorealism), and were all the better for it.

    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/d/d0/ASSelkirk4.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20210124205502
    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/229780/Previews/8b7157ea490c2813b937b2d3a5709bec._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/P3ONkt2Mfcaiiy5nGCHlawaNNaeOSvVa24etHMIEkV0glJACjQ8TOppijdPCVDH6HlQzKiMlheSgYRjZqx6VqC-40vjMxfflktdLW9Sc5xRe89sO91E1sFbylsE0

    Comics don't always have to ape the look/feel of movies, nor do they all have to look like one another. Let this medium be used to its fullest potential in a variety of different ways.
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