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We discuss the concerns over Alien and Predator being watered down under Marvel, how that probably isn’t the case given some of Marvel’s mature output, how this is Disney’s first big move with both Alien and Predator, Dark Horse’s legacy and plenty more Marvel related tangents!
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I see the latest issue of Comic Shop News has some coverage of the license change. Anyone able to pick this up in a shop? I feel like CSN usually gets a statement from DH on stuff.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/293660275681
At least you can still pick up JLA versus Predator for a reasonable price.
EDIT: 200 dollars + on Amazon for the somewhat recent collection. Whoah
Predator Concrete Jungle was open world but no other games in either franchise as far as I can remember.
Nightmare, for someone like me who is not familiar with these terms in a practical sense, how does open world differ from say Isolation, ore even from some of the other Aliens games? We had an open world in Colonial Marines didn't we? We were allowed to walk around outside in many sections. Am I missing something?
So true
THE ALIEN HAS FOUND YOU!
pay 3 dollars for a flamethrower? or do you want to die and restart this whole segment?
which would probably go to ea
This is their baby now, it will have its own continuity with its own reboot under the Disney banner.
More like John Schaefer and Enoch Nakai. I lump the 90’s AVP comics in with the 90’s Aliens line since there’s crossover between them; specifically with “War” being a sequel to “Berserker” and “DotS” referencing “Earth War” so Machiko has kinda already been rebooted out of the timeline along with all those stories. But to this day there’s been no glaring contradictions with the Predator films and the Predator EU so one can hope Marvel doesn’t discard or discount it.
Use Machiko too...
The dreaded fate of John Schaeffer and Machiko Noguchi...
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Haha, so true
Exactly. I don't really see what the big deal is.
I asked comixology's support how the license change would affect items already bought. They said they will stay in your library even if they are no longer for sale.
To calm some fears, Disney did that so that way they could do the Sequel trilogy without trying to navigate the former EU. It's probably going to get a reboot on Alien's end but I don't see Predator changing all that much if we aren't already in the midst of it.
On the Predator side of things it seems it's going from Hunting Grounds onward. So from that it's the solo films and (presumably) the crossovers are left intact as well as the lore from Hunting Grounds and Stalking Shadows. Neca backstories as far as I'm aware are still canonical so for the time being the Predators still encountered them.
These are my thoughts. Just wanted to share them.
I'd love to see the writers follow up on things like that. And there'd be an audience for adventures with the Lost Hunters be it before or after City Hunter's death though one I'd find cool would be showing at least part of City Hunter's funeral. That's something that would be real cool for world building since we've only seen so much of that. For a species kind of obsessed with killing it'd be interesting to see what they do outside of nuking a body.
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Due to Marvel having a What If? line of books, what if Marvel did something like that for the Predator comics? Like if Jungle Hunter succeeded in killing Dutch then the OWLF has even less to work off of perhaps leading to an alternate Predator 2? The OWLF doesn't really know where to look and City Hunter just had the run of the place perhaps meaning he survives and potentially never killing Peter Keyes. Or what if Harrigan doesn't quite kill City Hunter and they rematch years later this time with cybernetic upgrades (replacement hand) and Harrigan has to out-think him since it's not like he can get lucky fighting him twice and he's much older.
Exactly! Well said sir.
It's all how it's handled right? We get flashbacks of Mandy Graves history, and no new reader can tell if her story was depicted in in a previous comic or not. You can take her entirely as a brand new character that once encountered a Predator, or a previously used character that is reoccurring. It all comes down to presentation and loose connecting threads. That's the way I'd like to see it moving forward. Inviting to new readers, yet still loosely loyal to what came before it.
I also believe that there’ll be a Marvel crossover within the first year but I think of it as a promotional tool to get more Marvel fans interested in the new A/P/AVP series.
While I would love it to happen, there is just no way in my eyes Marvel waiting a year or more to do an Alien and Predator crossover within the Marvel universe. Like Conan of the Hyborian Age which is harder to infuse, I believe it will only take a few months, if not at launch, to crossover something Marvel with Alien and Predator unfortunately.
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Are you talking film? If so, I 100% agree, there is absolutely no need to reboot the Predator canon. The films are pretty much self contained, independent events. Each sequel has a sprinkling of brief references, but they are in no way required viewing like say each Alien film before it.
But in the first two completed volumes of the Predator Hunters comics, there are reoccurring characters from past series, but it's not essential knowledge. It's like Sean Keyes in The Predator. Predator 2 fans geek out because that's Peter Keyes' son, in fiction and in real life, but if you don't know that factoid watching The Predator, there is still no feeling of missing information. It's not essential to the plot. It's not essential in the way its presented. That's the way I'd like Marvel to handle the Predator comic lore. I believe it could even work for Alien too.
@Tichinde the Predators face off the bears with only their wrist blades in “Turnabout” however in “Primal” the Pred does indeed shoot a bear.
@Sil yes you are correct that Steve Perry wrote both “Prey” and “Turnabout”.
Interestingly I'm pretty sure Steve Perry wrote both AvP Prey and Turnabout.
I think you are right, I may have been spoiled by machikos trilogy of novels where they are described as fighting worthy enemies with the same kind of weapons they possess unless in like "wartime situations" like when they enter a hive. The Youngbloods are allowed to just shoot everything but blooded and veterans hold themselves to a higher standard according to those books anyway.
And just to be clear there are a few examples of what I was talking about. For instance, the Jungle Hunter disarms himself of his plasma caster and takes off his biomask and fights Dutch in h2h. Wolf (for some reason) decides to disarm himself taking off his mines, leaving his spear, and once again taking off the biomask. A predator from the comic "Strange Roux" actually stabs himself in the arm to even the odds against his foe who was injured in his right arm. Celtic attempts to fight the Grid Alien with only his wristblades and fists even though his spear wasn't far away (though this might just be a movie convenient thing.) In the horrible comic Predator: Primal after an initial engagement with a bear ironically enough a warrior comes to fight it hand to hand in the comic's finale. I assumed it was part of the blooded warrior's culture to "fight fair" or as fair as they deem it so anyway.
Either way, I suppose it's a relatively minor pet peeve, i will be checking these books out either way
But modern hunters hunt animals that can't shoot back, and that's what Predator is based so I'm not sure if there ever was a "equaling your opponents in available weapons thing". All there is, is not blasting someone who is unarmed.
I mean they shoot Aliens a lot.
So it's a SiL recommend?
There's Aliens for like three pages on issue 3 and the rest is gold-plated or albino jousting hybrids or a God-damned Queen that decides to be pally with the rest of the team because f**k you, that's why or that human Predator Alien hybrid at the end.
God I hate that book so much.
A few notes:
I enjoyed the podcast, but once in a while it was a bit too all over the place at times, at least for my taste, where it made my head spin a little bit. But still, overall, very good work guys!
Too much optimism. I wanted to hear more Alien & Predator is leaving Dark Horse sadness! I wanted someone to represent my pain!
Marvel has the Icon label imprint that is totally hardcore. I've been a big Marvel reader for much of my life, and when I read Icon's Painkiller Jane series, it was laced with curses, nudity, sex and blood and guts.
I didn't love the full on reboot Paul was pushing initially. I can see it would be easier for new fans, true. And it's likely an easier pill to swallow for Paul who's generally new to Darkhorse A&P EU lore and subsequently not as deeply invested yet as us older fans... the logic is sound but I think there's a way to still invite new fans to an existing canon without alienating the old ones. Predator: Hunters is a perfect example of that. I know someone who's even really enjoying it as much as me and had no idea there were reoccurring characters.
And finally, RidgeTop, my AvP Requiem brother, a few of us actually like Chris Claremont's Aliens Predator: Deadliest of the Species! So give it a shot, you might like it!
Thats all I got. Great job guys!
Wow!!! Thank you for the heads up, now I’m definitely purchasing some comics today
zula, and to a lesser extent, olivia shipp