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Fred Dekker On The Predator Fan Reception and The Predator Killer Ending

I don’t think I would be wrong in stating that the closing scene of The Predator was not a very popular moment in the film. While a lot of the specifics regarding the behind-the-scenes story on The Predator is still unknown, it seemed fairly obvious that it was a last minute studio addition.

And we recently learnt that it could have been much, much worse than it ultimately was with some completely unexplainable cameos from Aliens’ Ripley and Newt. It turns out it’s not just us that felt that way. Responding to a fan’s comment on his Facebook page, The Predator co-writer Fred Dekker revealed that he also hated the scene.

However, most of his comment was related to the reception that The Predator has received as Fred was replying to a viewer who had reconsidered his opinion on the film after watching it on home release and now liked the film more. In response, Fred Dekker said:

Thank you, Stephen. This means a lot to me. We live in a culture that’s so cacophonous we sometimes cling to our opinions as our only voice in the din. Or we’re so married to our childhood memories of things we love that when the formula is contradicted, some feel betrayed by any attempt to take a different approach. In all candor, I have lots of issues with the movie (I also hate the super-suit ending!), but I spent three years on it and to have it trashed by toxic fans who don’t have the first clue how hard it is to get anything on the screen, well…that hurts. So thank you.

 Fred Dekker On The Predator Fan Reception and The Predator Killer Ending

Fred Dekker on the set of The Predator in the Stargazer base.

I typically avoid expressing my own opinions in my reporting (I like to leave those to the podcast) and while I agree that toxicity seems to just be apart of fandoms these days, I also think it is never as simple as fans just being jerks who don’t know how the industry works.

There are certainly elements of The Predator I really enjoyed and elements I strongly disliked, but it never came down to being about The Predator taking a different approach to the material. If anything, that was something I really liked about it. Predator is such a versatile property and it was great to see someone exercising that versatility.

That’s not to say some fans may have disliked The Predator because it was trying to break the formula but ultimately it wasn’t just Predator fans that had issues with the film. The Predator didn’t sit well with the majority of critics either. As of writing, the film currently sits at 44 on Metacritic and 33% on Rotten Tomatoes.

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  1. Space_Dementia
    So last night I watched the film for the second time, first being at the cinema on its first day of release... ... wow this film is a mess... I didn't quite grasp how bad the script was first time around, but after watching it last night, its hard to believe this movie was co-written by Shane Black as well as directed... I sorta enjoy the movie but nothing really gels, it trys to build the characters but goes no where with them, the film is directionless... the actual steelbook that I purchased from Zavvi is better than the movie.
  2. Predwars24
    As a Writer myself it seems a bit whiny to blame anything but yourself. When you write a movie you're supposed to do your research, even if you don't like it. When in school and you write an essay about I don't know let's just say something about the book Night by Ellie Wiesel, you can't get an A on the essay unless you have read the book. Writing a screenplay is very similar and that if it's a sequel in a movie franchise you can't make a good movie unless you're consistent with the rest. This whole movie is turning to be a scenario similar to Gremlins 2, where it almost felt like it wasn't even in the same universe as the original as it's so different from it. Point is if you make a bad movie you don't go blaming whoever or whatever for the situation, unless you're like the whole Suicide Squad production where they literally rushed a script in six weeks, then you have no excuses. If you make a bad movie own up to it and do better, that's all you can do.
  3. Nameless 1
    Sad, but not surprised to see another writer blame the reception on "toxic" fans rather than the poor quality of the writing itself. You can do a different approach/formula, but if said changes contradict the lore/logic established by previous movies, games, and books, then it is going to cause problems with the story and the fan's reception.

    I think it's a disservice to the fans to claim that they don't understand the difficulty of getting a film made. It gives us little to no credit, and comes off as whining that the problem is the fans, not the movie.

    It's somehow become alright to blame fans for not liking a movie/product, rather than the product not being what the fans/audience/customers want.

    Nothing I've seen, read, or heard in the original sciript convinces me that Black/Dekker did enough research into the lore or touched base with the fans to make sure they were making a movie the fans would want to see. The fact that they had the well made suit predator quickly killed by their "awesome" Upgrade predator is evidence of this. That scene alone was enough to turn many viewers off of the film.

    I'm sure Black/Dekker worked hard on the script, but there were reactions and criticisms of said script way before the filming commenced. They could have taken said criticism to heart and course corrected, but they chose not to, as was their decision. The reception the film received is directly on them, not because of so-called toxic fans.

    A wise director/writer would use this experience to develop/improve their craft, rather than make excuses.
  4. Wysps
    Oops  :laugh: :laugh: 

    While I like Event Horizon, I don't think it's a good film. At all. There are bizarre choices and it's looks over substance (like most 90's films and all of Anderson's films)

    I dunno, there's not much like it, spooky ghost ship in space. Good acting, disturbing scenes, it's got proper jump scares too.

    Rez evil movie's are constructed exactly like AVP, the concept is good, but it's ultimately let down by bad editing, bad shots and average acting. The first encounter in AVP is a good example, it's kinda hard to tell whats going on, you've got 19 foot Alien tails, something happening with the net, weird flashes of stuff happening.

    That pyramid they were in genuinely felt like it was about the size of a Caravan.
    Event Horizon had some sloppy designs and the final cut didn't help either.
    It was quite solid for what it was, hell raiser kind of clone in space. But there's a nice thesis on design that refers to the use of the rotating captains chair which makes no sense whatsoever and the hamfisted use of some special plugging device was ill conceived as well.

    Compare this to how subtle Alien looked while doing essentially the same.

    It's just not a very good film, but just entertaining enough to be quite forgiving.
    Same applies to AvP: it flows so much better than Requiem, it has better use of characters, it references the classic comics for the predators to a degree.

    It just f**ks up the timeline and established lore for both franchises, all to try and reinvent the wheel.


    That's my issue with AvP.  If I could say one positive thing about Requiem, it's that it didn't touch the Predator lore as much as AvP did.  Still much prefer it to the latter, but if they instead tried to focus on the original storyline instead of adding in the cooperative civilization stuff between humans and Predators...
  5. BigDaddyJohn
    But was it truly a good film?

    Absolutely not. Never saw a more soporific movie at the time.

    Have to agree. It’s been many years since I’ve seen Event Horizon, but I can only remember it for its ‘disturbing-ness’ and nothing else.

    Actually i was referring to the first Resident Evil movie  ;)
  6. skull-splitter
    While I like Event Horizon, I don't think it's a good film. At all. There are bizarre choices and it's looks over substance (like most 90's films and all of Anderson's films)

    I dunno, there's not much like it, spooky ghost ship in space. Good acting, disturbing scenes, it's got proper jump scares too.

    Rez evil movie's are constructed exactly like AVP, the concept is good, but it's ultimately let down by bad editing, bad shots and average acting. The first encounter in AVP is a good example, it's kinda hard to tell whats going on, you've got 19 foot Alien tails, something happening with the net, weird flashes of stuff happening.

    That pyramid they were in genuinely felt like it was about the size of a Caravan.
    Event Horizon had some sloppy designs and the final cut didn't help either.
    It was quite solid for what it was, hell raiser kind of clone in space. But there's a nice thesis on design that refers to the use of the rotating captains chair which makes no sense whatsoever and the hamfisted use of some special plugging device was ill conceived as well.

    Compare this to how subtle Alien looked while doing essentially the same.

    It's just not a very good film, but just entertaining enough to be quite forgiving.
    Same applies to AvP: it flows so much better than Requiem, it has better use of characters, it references the classic comics for the predators to a degree.

    It just f**ks up the timeline and established lore for both franchises, all to try and reinvent the wheel.
  7. Highland
    While I like Event Horizon, I don't think it's a good film. At all. There are bizarre choices and it's looks over substance (like most 90's films and all of Anderson's films)

    I dunno, there's not much like it, spooky ghost ship in space. Good acting, disturbing scenes, it's got proper jump scares too.

    Rez evil movie's are constructed exactly like AVP, the concept is good, but it's ultimately let down by bad editing, bad shots and average acting. The first encounter in AVP is a good example, it's kinda hard to tell whats going on, you've got 19 foot Alien tails, something happening with the net, weird flashes of stuff happening.

    That pyramid they were in genuinely felt like it was about the size of a Caravan.
  8. Highland
    Event Horizon is brilliant, the 27% it's got on RT makes it very puzzling. The rating probably effected AVP, I don't know if that was the studio's fault or his.

    After that though all of Anderson's movies had that cheap B movie Jason Statham feel about them. Event Horizon in hindsight was probably just a fluke.
  9. Huggs
    Taking a quick detour and making a less serious movie can work, if done right, and with respect for the franchise. Jeunet handled the "wacky" aspects of Resurrection fairly well. But mixed in with all that humorous business, was some very serious content and a basically watchable alien story. Anderson had it in him (at the time) to make a good movie out of AVP, but for reasons that others could no doubt explain much better than I, it just didn't work out that way. His work with the RE movies definitely confirms (for me) that he is certainly no longer a good choice for any future films.

    But, Anderson didn't flat-out murder the entire thing like Black did with The Predator. I'll give him that. And at least Jeunet kept the humor under control. Granted, it still felt more like one of the novels than the other films. It was cheesy, but workable cheesy.
  10. Jutland
    Event Horizon is weird. It’s not actually a very good film. Yet it’s somehow watchable and absorbing. It’s one of the few non-current films that we quote at work and everyone over a certain age gets it (“why’s your report so rubbish?” ‘It’s been to hell and back!!!”).

    Personally I would rather have Event Horizon kept for posterity than the whole of Jeunet’s output. But that is just an opinion  :laugh:
  11. Stitch
    And sorry, but Jean-Pierre Jeunet's trash
    is better than Paul Anderson's Gold-
    and by the extension, the Strauss Bros.

    No way, Resurrection is just the worst.  Why, why, why did Sigourney sign up to do that parody? 
    It's her equivalent to Arnold Schwarzenegger's Batman & Robin!

    https://media0.giphy.com/media/IoTKP1ydJAJlC/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c40d2f44b7a726945c52542

    I suppose it comes down to the fact that Resurrection's more interesting,
    (and much better Directed) and when it comes to bad movies:

    Interesting > "Good"

    That's why, for instance- I find Batman Forever INFINITELY
    more watchable than TDK Rises, because Rises is not only
    bad; it's dull and bad- making Forever, more entertaining.
    Hmm... Interesting take on things. In regards to Batman Forever vs TDKR, I'd agree with you, BUT only when watching the Fan Edit Red Book Edition of Batman Forever. Otherwise, TDKR beats it, in a heartbeat.

    As for Jeunet vs Anderson... That's tricky. Anderson made Event Horizon, one of the best space horror films, and therefore should be better suited to making an Alien movie. Jeunet is not someone who should have ever made an alien film, as it is not his oeuvre. I wonder what the movies would have been like if the directors were switched. Alien Resurrection directed by PWS Anderson, and AvP directed by JP Jeunet might have been way more interesting.
  12. The Old One
    And sorry, but Jean-Pierre Jeunet's trash
    is better than Paul Anderson's Gold-
    and by the extension, the Strauss Bros.

    No way, Resurrection is just the worst.  Why, why, why did Sigourney sign up to do that parody? 
    It's her equivalent to Arnold Schwarzenegger's Batman & Robin!

    https://media0.giphy.com/media/IoTKP1ydJAJlC/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c40d2f44b7a726945c52542

    I suppose it comes down to the fact that Resurrection's more interesting,
    (and much better Directed) and when it comes to bad movies:

    Interesting > "Good"

    That's why, for instance- I find Batman Forever INFINITELY
    more watchable than TDK Rises, because Rises is not only
    bad; it's dull and bad- making Forever, more entertaining.
  13. The Kurgan
    Handing both franchises to one of the most mediocre and inoffensively bad Directors in the business whilst simultaneously torpedoing a Alien film written by James Cameron and Directed by Ridley Scott. Then spawning AVPR.
    Yeah, AVP's great...

    That i will never get over.

    I also agree with the choice of Paul W. S. Anderson for the project. He seems to be an alright bloke from what i have seen in interviews, but man he sucks at his profession.
  14. The Old One
    Handing both franchises to one of the most mediocre and inoffensively bad Directors in the business whilst simultaneously torpedoing a Alien film written by James Cameron and Directed by Ridley Scott. Then spawning AVPR.
    Yeah, AVP's great...
  15. XenoHunter99
    Maybe The Predator will seem better over time.

    AVPR was a fun but dumb slasher popcorn movie with some really bad jokes, loads of clumsy fan service, and one memorable (but obvious) sightgag. It was never going to please people looking for a serious entry in the series. I didn't mind seeing it, but I don't revisit it. IIRC, the whole plot, including the ending, was in the commercial.

    AVP is OK. There were some interesting ideas and RS recycled some of them for Prometheus. AVP has some good sequences, too. I don't think it deserves all the hate it gets. Maybe some of it...  ;D  I can still stand to watch it, and that's more than I can say for a lot of other movies.

    Resurrection aged a little better than I thought. To me, it's a mediocre monster movie with beautiful production design and an underwhelming final monster. And loads of Glorious Door Reveals!  :laugh:

    Covenant and maybe Prometheus could also be on this list.
  16. Stitch

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    Ask 20-something's and younger about Alien and Predator. See what they say. Most of them don't know what it is or think the originals suck. Trust me, these have been my peers for ages.

    I'm only 19, and I think highly of the originals, have watched them since I was younger and still enjoy them. I've read a few comics but not too many of them, and I'd love to read the novels. I'm not going to say I know them as well as I want but I feel like generalizing a certain age group and saying they wouldn't like something is a bit far fetched. Especially nowadays when they can research certain things on fan wikis and such, to such a huge extent.
    I think there's a bigger pop cultural gap now between generations than there has been in the past. I'm 32 and I can have conversations about music and TV shows from the 60s and 70s because they were part of my childhood.
    We watched repeats on TV because they were what was on TV. There's currently such a huge variety of media available that (other than on specific retro channels) you don't tend to see old repeats. This gives a different experience to younger viewers.
    Alien is an old property, and so younger people are less likely to see it because it's not targeted at them, and there's so much more choice now. Sad, but true.
  17. XenoHunter99
    @Voodoo Magic: That gif is hilarious!
    @Predwars24: Not all young people think that way. But young people with fans for parents may end up being fans just because... Then they show their friends and... Voila! More fans!  ;D Of course, it would be better if the movie-making people could make some new films worthy of lifelong fandom. But that's likely too much to ask.
  18. Predwars24


    Ask 20-something's and younger about Alien and Predator. See what they say. Most of them don't know what it is or think the originals suck. Trust me, these have been my peers for ages.
    [/quote]

    I'm only 19, and I think highly of the originals, have watched them since I was younger and still enjoy them. I've read a few comics but not too many of them, and I'd love to read the novels. I'm not going to say I know them as well as I want but I feel like generalizing a certain age group and saying they wouldn't like something is a bit far fetched. Especially nowadays when they can research certain things on fan wikis and such, to such a huge extent.
  19. Highland
    Who can enjoy what? What defines good or not?

    Eh, I just think it's slow, boring, poorly written, and totally disrespectful of the fans and franchise. In my opinion, it's terrible as a film and sucks as a popcorn movie. That's all I have to say about that.

    Sorry Fred

    #ToxicFan

    I think the main problem is they clearly farted around so much that they didn't know WTF was happening by the end. You can claim studio interference, but they probably interfered because the movie was terrible.

    The cast is good, the effects are passable, the director is solid, the story might have been ok... had they not just put 85 clips together and then called it a movie.

    Makes you wonder what power struggles and politics are involved that they can take $90 Million bucks and just spray it against a wall.
  20. Wysps
    Never said you can't enjoy or can enjoy. 

    You can do either....just have to admit on the basis of production it was a POS. 

    And on the 4th try, and with all the "Shane Black-Kiss kiss bang bang, nice guys" talk....the production value (again which can be factually found) in 107 mins of film, was not there. 

    Sorry I expected that.  As a fan that shouldn't be too much to ask for. 

    And yes I'll admit (BigDaddyJohn) and HAVE admitted. I liked "aspects" of this movie.  I liked the previews.  I liked the Super Pred, the idea of a Super Pred.  I liked the Loonies and the concept of the Loonies.  I liked the Lab and the Lab scene.

    All that tho I can't justify celebrating this movie.  Or patting it on the head softly, like so many do around here. 

    It's a fact that FOX, scours this site very thoroughly (Hi Fox-employee) and I'm not gonna mince words.  Fans shouldn't mince words either.  Liking segments of a movie, or the "ideas" they tried to execute but didn't, doesn't make a movie "decent" or good.  It makes a few mins here and there tolerable/interesting for the viewer in what is otherwise a poorly executed film.

    This was put out by FOX.  Not some second or third teir studio/company. They've made 4 Pred films that literally look and feel like Netflix type/style movies (that's being generous).  That's not just "ok" for a studio/company of FOX's size.




    I think most of the people here agree on a lot of your points. In fact I don't think you will not find a lot of people here who deny that the movie has issues or are patting it on the head. Most people,me included, are pretty dissappionted with the movie we got.

    But if everybody is allowed to like it, i don't get why you give the people, who actually do, shit, claiming they are delusional or objectivly wrong for doing so.


    Maybe some people are insecure.  :-\

    Seconded.  A lot of it probably stems from insecurity at some level.
  21. Huggs
    Who can enjoy what? What defines good or not?

    Eh, I just think it's slow, boring, poorly written, and totally disrespectful of the fans and franchise. In my opinion, it's terrible as a film and sucks as a popcorn movie. That's all I have to say about that.

    Sorry Fred

    #ToxicFan
  22. Immortan Jonesy
    Never said you can't enjoy or can enjoy. 

    You can do either....just have to admit on the basis of production it was a POS. 

    And on the 4th try, and with all the "Shane Black-Kiss kiss bang bang, nice guys" talk....the production value (again which can be factually found) in 107 mins of film, was not there. 

    Sorry I expected that.  As a fan that shouldn't be too much to ask for. 

    And yes I'll admit (BigDaddyJohn) and HAVE admitted. I liked "aspects" of this movie.  I liked the previews.  I liked the Super Pred, the idea of a Super Pred.  I liked the Loonies and the concept of the Loonies.  I liked the Lab and the Lab scene.

    All that tho I can't justify celebrating this movie.  Or patting it on the head softly, like so many do around here. 

    It's a fact that FOX, scours this site very thoroughly (Hi Fox-employee) and I'm not gonna mince words.  Fans shouldn't mince words either.  Liking segments of a movie, or the "ideas" they tried to execute but didn't, doesn't make a movie "decent" or good.  It makes a few mins here and there tolerable/interesting for the viewer in what is otherwise a poorly executed film.

    This was put out by FOX.  Not some second or third teir studio/company. They've made 4 Pred films that literally look and feel like Netflix type/style movies (that's being generous).  That's not just "ok" for a studio/company of FOX's size.




    I think most of the people here agree on a lot of your points. In fact I don't think you will not find a lot of people here who deny that the movie has issues or are patting it on the head. Most people,me included, are pretty dissappionted with the movie we got.

    But if everybody is allowed to like it, i don't get why you give the people, who actually do, shit, claiming they are delusional or objectivly wrong for doing so.


    Maybe some people are insecure.  :-\
  23. The Kurgan
    "I'm sick of FOX p-issing on my leg and their fans telling me it's raining.  Even though it's been proven it's NOT rain, the fans still insist it is....." sorta thing.
    That's still just "Anyone who disagrees with me is delusional and wrong."

    Punisher: Dirty Laundry. Loved it.
    Yes! I couldn't remember the name.

    Not really...considering there have been 4 movies that have proven the true "delusion" and the "wrong" part....Sh-t directing, poorly executed concept, poorly executing editing, poorly executed story telling, forcing multiple plot expansion points, that don't piece together smoothly etc...aren't an "opinion".

    At this point the only delusion is avoiding the topic completely (as you've done) and pretending "everything is fine" with this franchise.

    Keep shouting "The Nice Guys!!" or "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang!!" tho.

    Still is an opinion though.

    Not really.  Even the simplest film class would be able to pick out the basic flaws/mechanics of this movie and the previous.  It's like taking a Lit-class and learning about run-on sentences or incorrect usage of "their/there/they're" etc.  You can ignore them all you want but they are there.  There are fact based things and fundamental flaws in this movie that are high-school level from a billion dollar company.  That side of things isn't "opinion".  "Opinion" would be "i'm choosing to ignore them and still like the movie...." or "They distracted the crap out of me and I didn't like the movie...." etc....

    But you can't deny the facts of this movie.  I hate to say that even from a basic story-board perspective that both AVP's and Predators were fundamentally put together and edited better than The Predator.

    If people enjoy a work of art, they enjoy a work of art. That is not a matter of opinion, it is a fact. They do or they don't.

    Nobody said the movie was flawless on a technical level, far from it. But if that does not prevent somebody from enjoying it or part of it, than that is a fact. Not an opinion.

    If i say, based on the fact that i enjoyed this and that part of that movie, in my opinion it is an alright movie despite all it's flaws. Than my opinion is that it is an alrighty moviet. The enjoyment of this and that part is fact. Subjective yes, but still a fact.

    People don't have the opinion that they enjoy a movie despite it's flaws or are delusional, they just do.

    What you are claiming is the only objectively right thing is to not enjoy it or parts of it, which is again, your opinion.

    Reading this made me wonder where I've seen this line of thinking before and then I remembered exactly where.

    https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FYBpI6ZF.jpg&hash=2be5419b697f64c055afb3ea93344959

    Reading what exactly?


    Never said you can't enjoy or can enjoy. 

    You can do either....just have to admit on the basis of production it was a POS. 

    And on the 4th try, and with all the "Shane Black-Kiss kiss bang bang, nice guys" talk....the production value (again which can be factually found) in 107 mins of film, was not there. 

    Sorry I expected that.  As a fan that shouldn't be too much to ask for. 

    And yes I'll admit (BigDaddyJohn) and HAVE admitted. I liked "aspects" of this movie.  I liked the previews.  I liked the Super Pred, the idea of a Super Pred.  I liked the Loonies and the concept of the Loonies.  I liked the Lab and the Lab scene.

    All that tho I can't justify celebrating this movie.  Or patting it on the head softly, like so many do around here. 

    It's a fact that FOX, scours this site very thoroughly (Hi Fox-employee) and I'm not gonna mince words.  Fans shouldn't mince words either.  Liking segments of a movie, or the "ideas" they tried to execute but didn't, doesn't make a movie "decent" or good.  It makes a few mins here and there tolerable/interesting for the viewer in what is otherwise a poorly executed film.

    This was put out by FOX.  Not some second or third teir studio/company. They've made 4 Pred films that literally look and feel like Netflix type/style movies (that's being generous).  That's not just "ok" for a studio/company of FOX's size.


    I think most of the people here agree on a lot of your points. In fact I don't think you will not find a lot of people here who deny that the movie has issues or are patting it on the head. Most people,me included, are pretty dissappionted with the movie we got.

    But if everybody is allowed to like it, i don't get why you give the people, who actually do, shit, claiming they are delusional or objectivly wrong for doing so.


    It's a fact that FOX, scours this site very thoroughly...

    They do?

    They have some spies.  :P

    But yeah, I think maybe it was Colin back then that first said some at Fox watched the site to see the fans reactions to stuff.

    I guess the Predalien and it's eggbarfing did not go over all too well back then?  :P

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