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Shane Black Talks The Upgrade Predator

Ahead of the upcoming panel at San Diego Comic Con, Entertainment Weekly have released a new interview with director and co-write Shane Black. Early on in the interview Black is asked about the film’s new Upgrade/Ultimate Predator and what went into settling on the new design.

If the predator was to be an amalgam of, not just an ordinary predator, but also a collection of traits garnered from the various most powerful species that they’ve hunted, then you basically would have one that is stronger, faster, and smarter. We finally got an image that we liked, which captures this very canny, very cunning, and effortlessly powerful, savage predator. One of the only quibbles that I’ve had with some of the past predators is that, if you’re not careful, it can look like a guy in a football suit; big, bulky guy just stomping around. I wanted a certain more graceful, more light, more athletic quality, literally like a predator. If you watch a cheetah, it’s not clunky.

While we have seen the Upgrade/Ultimate Predator in the trailer, aside from throwing the Fugitive Predator, we haven’t seen much of him in motion just yet.

 Shane Black Talks The Upgrade Predator

Shane Black also talks about the cast, some of the set-up around the Stargazer Project and he re-affirms how the film ended up being more difficult than he originally anticipated. He is also asked whether The Predator leaves room open for a possible fifth film.

I think it’s part of the task to always leave room, just like leaving room for dessert. But at the same time, unless you very firmly have in mind your pre-planned and pre-structured trilogy or sequel, it’s important to focus on the movie at hand and not get lost, like day one of a movie and you’re already planning the wrap party. It’s important that we get this one right. But of course we would leave room for continuing this, because as I mentioned, the Predator seems to have this uncanny longevity in the zeitgeist that people like new iterations of it, they like the hunting aspect of it, they break down every aspect of whatever costume he’s wearing this time and make toys of it. It’s strange, but it’s so longstanding and won’t go away.

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Comments: 50
  1. PredBabe
    Quote from: brokentusk420 on Jul 27, 2018, 12:12:10 AM
    Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 17, 2018, 03:38:29 PM
    Quote from: brokentusk420 on Jul 17, 2018, 02:03:44 PM
    Its just lazy and the most unimaginative thing possible to slap tits on something just to call it female. It's some of the worst trash to come out of the fan fiction. The other ways to depict sexual dimophisim especially with something that is clear not mammalian.  It just has a humanoid body shape. It's not human nor need tits to feed tits young.

    It's alien so the argument that they are reptiles is moot too. As far as we can visually see, from the films' standpoint, they have just as many similar characteristics  to mammals/primates as they do to reptiles. I can respect people wanting to keep it more mysterious and unfamiliar because they're  ALIEN, but saying that people are unimaginative because they speculate it could be similar is stupid. Though giving them gigantic breasts would be ridiculous- no doubt.

    Uh no, the "its an alien, so like it can be whatever" argument is just juvenile reasoning at best. Caused by a lack of understanding of how biology works and the difference between a human aka homo sapiens, and a humanoid which is just a form. The predator has a humanoid form with almost entirely reptilian and amphibian physical traits. There is nothing mammalian about it.

    Yeah, sans the alien hair, they really are almost entirely reptilian.



    Do I dare ask what xenorbs are?
  2. brokentusk420
    Quote from: PredBabe on Jul 17, 2018, 03:38:29 PM
    Quote from: brokentusk420 on Jul 17, 2018, 02:03:44 PM
    Its just lazy and the most unimaginative thing possible to slap tits on something just to call it female. It's some of the worst trash to come out of the fan fiction. The other ways to depict sexual dimophisim especially with something that is clear not mammalian.  It just has a humanoid body shape. It's not human nor need tits to feed tits young.

    It's alien so the argument that they are reptiles is moot too. As far as we can visually see, from the films' standpoint, they have just as many similar characteristics  to mammals/primates as they do to reptiles. I can respect people wanting to keep it more mysterious and unfamiliar because they're  ALIEN, but saying that people are unimaginative because they speculate it could be similar is stupid. Though giving them gigantic breasts would be ridiculous- no doubt.

    Uh no, the "its an alien, so like it can be whatever" argument is just juvenile reasoning at best. Caused by a lack of understanding of how biology works and the difference between a human aka homo sapiens, and a humanoid which is just a form. The predator has a humanoid form with almost entirely reptilian and amphibian physical traits. There is nothing mammalian about it.
  3. The Old One
    Maybe the left wrist gauntlet is his plasma caster or ranged weapon, like the ancient Predator from the Primal Hunt expansion. It could also be his cloaking device, his Swiss army knife device.
  4. BigDaddyJohn
    Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 18, 2018, 08:59:32 PM
    What we see is brute force pred but Shane says it's cheetah like... yup. Indominus Pred is what we have here. Probably can natively cloak and create bone like weapons. I bet it has no need for predator technology. All of it will be genetically encoded into the creature. Complete with plasma caster breath. I mean wouldn't you do the same thing? Why lug all that crap around when it could just be a part of you.

    Yeah no need for technology, that's probably why he has two wrists gauntlets...
  5. azamultic
    Quote from: prototypeXIII on Jul 19, 2018, 04:25:16 AM
    "I wanted a certain more graceful, more light, more athletic quality, literally like a predator."
    -So, like a xenomorph. Got it.




    Eye balling it, they are roughly the same height.  The pred mask gives the actor about an extra 6 or so inches in height.  But with movie magic, it'll probably appear 1ft taller than the actor, maybe a bit more.

    Wou wou, Boyd Holbrook is ‎6 ft 2 in (1.88 m), when Brian A Prince is 6' 9½" (2.07 m) they have pretty big difference in height.
  6. prototypeXIII
    "I wanted a certain more graceful, more light, more athletic quality, literally like a predator."
    -So, like a xenomorph. Got it.




    Eye balling it, they are roughly the same height.  The pred mask gives the actor about an extra 6 or so inches in height.  But with movie magic, it'll probably appear 1ft taller than the actor, maybe a bit more.
  7. PredBabe
    Quote from: Huggs on Jul 18, 2018, 09:23:35 PM
    Quote from: azamultic on Jul 18, 2018, 09:17:37 PM
    Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 18, 2018, 08:59:32 PM
    I bet it has no need for predator technology. All of it will be genetically encoded into the creature. Complete with plasma caster breath. I mean wouldn't you do the same thing? Why lug all that crap around when it could just be a part of you.

    Hahahahha It's going to be like in Shane's Iron Man 3 scene "You breathe fire....ok"
    https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/84dd3eaf-24e0-4af6-bc41-3751e528bbb3

    The fire breathing has already been done. It's time for making use, of the other end.

    How bout farting poisonous gas?
  8. Wysps
    Quote from: D88M on Jul 18, 2018, 10:39:55 PM
    Iugh, that screencap is just iugh, anyway i think is ironic that the upgraded predator looks like a caveman predator, it looks prehistoric and primitive, i bet that the genetic manipulation did the opposite of what the predator wanted and then he became like a mindless animal or something like that, maybe he broke the rules by doing that and there are other regular predators trying to hunt him down.

    I'm seeing a strong division between graceful cheetah Predator and prehistoric caveman Predator - I'll just have to take his word for it and wait for the movie, but I honestly don't see how what we are seeing and what he is describing will be encompassed in the same creature.  Movie magic perhaps  :-X A good dose of it.
  9. D88M
    Iugh, that screencap is just iugh, anyway i think is ironic that the upgraded predator looks like a caveman predator, it looks prehistoric and primitive, i bet that the genetic manipulation did the opposite of what the predator wanted and then he became like a mindless animal or something like that, maybe he broke the rules by doing that and there are other regular predators trying to hunt him down.
  10. Huggs
    Quote from: azamultic on Jul 18, 2018, 09:17:37 PM
    Quote from: whiterabbit on Jul 18, 2018, 08:59:32 PM
    I bet it has no need for predator technology. All of it will be genetically encoded into the creature. Complete with plasma caster breath. I mean wouldn't you do the same thing? Why lug all that crap around when it could just be a part of you.

    Hahahahha It's going to be like in Shane's Iron Man 3 scene "You breathe fire....ok"
    https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/84dd3eaf-24e0-4af6-bc41-3751e528bbb3

    The fire breathing has already been done. It's time for making use, of the other end.
  11. whiterabbit
    What we see is brute force pred but Shane says it's cheetah like... yup. Indominus Pred is what we have here. Probably can natively cloak and create bone like weapons. I bet it has no need for predator technology. All of it will be genetically encoded into the creature. Complete with plasma caster breath. I mean wouldn't you do the same thing? Why lug all that crap around when it could just be a part of you.
  12. BigDaddyJohn
    Quote from: Huggs on Jul 18, 2018, 06:31:21 PM
    Quote from: Messagingfromthebathroom on Jul 18, 2018, 06:03:08 PM
    The man is literally trashing the original Predator and  you're all going to sit there and tell me that this is the man who's going to bring the Predator franchise forward. Bull. Shit.
    These guest posts sound an awful lot alike. Same person perhaps?

    Exactly what i was thinking... Maybe they have a few squads of 2-3 people that relays one after another to post here  :laugh:
  13. Huggs
    Quote from: Messagingfromthebathroom on Jul 18, 2018, 06:03:08 PM
    The man is literally trashing the original Predator and  you're all going to sit there and tell me that this is the man who's going to bring the Predator franchise forward. Bull. Shit.

    Forward is merely a direction. It can result in either a negative or a positive outcome. Neither one is guaranteed. Maybe the movie will be good. Maybe it will suck. Who knows for sure? We all will, once it's released. But it's been made, it's done, I've made my peace with it. I'm moving forward, one might say.

    And when did we "all" say Shane is going to do that?

    These guest posts sound an awful lot alike. Same person perhaps?
  14. Messagingfromthebathroom
    The man is literally trashing the original Predator and  you're all going to sit there and tell me that this is the man who's going to bring the Predator franchise forward. Bull. Shit.
  15. azamultic
    Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 18, 2018, 04:08:08 PM
    Quote from: azamultic on Jul 18, 2018, 03:37:09 PM
    Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 18, 2018, 03:07:08 PM
    At first I was a bit put out by the cheetah remark - AvP1 aside, all the other predators have been agile rather than bulky, going back to the very beginning - but I remembered how Brian Prince said he made use of his parkour skill and agility on set, so I'm not concerned Upgrade will be "more" graceful than Captive or anything.

    To be honest, even with amazing performance from Kevin Peter Hall, he still looked pretty bulky and heavy, in every hand to hand combat he felt very heavy and slow, remembering the Mike Harrigan fight on the ship, or with the Dutch at the end of the first movie. He did good, I mean he is the best predator and I love Jungle hunter and city hunter, but in this scenes without editing you can see that he struggles to move very fast in predator suite. I am not shitting on the classics btw  ;)

    It's true, you don't have to justify yourself don't worry  ;)

    He does take some time when throwing punches to Dutch indeed, but i feel that's part of the charm of the creature too, in some way.

    Yehh, I am being safe in case some people would take it as a personal attack ;D

    I totally agree that that practical effects and it's limitations totally adding charm to the movie and creature, and I am still a sucker for Practical Effects and wished that it would be used more. But CGI does help in creating more agile movement compare to the practical stuff, and it's what I feel Shane Black was talking about  :)

    PS: the debate about what looks more believable is another topic.  ;)
  16. BigDaddyJohn
    Quote from: azamultic on Jul 18, 2018, 03:37:09 PM
    Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 18, 2018, 03:07:08 PM
    At first I was a bit put out by the cheetah remark - AvP1 aside, all the other predators have been agile rather than bulky, going back to the very beginning - but I remembered how Brian Prince said he made use of his parkour skill and agility on set, so I'm not concerned Upgrade will be "more" graceful than Captive or anything.

    To be honest, even with amazing performance from Kevin Peter Hall, he still looked pretty bulky and heavy, in every hand to hand combat he felt very heavy and slow, remembering the Mike Harrigan fight on the ship, or with the Dutch at the end of the first movie. He did good, I mean he is the best predator and I love Jungle hunter and city hunter, but in this scenes without editing you can see that he struggles to move very fast in predator suite. I am not shitting on the classics btw  ;)

    It's true, you don't have to justify yourself don't worry  ;)

    He does take some time when throwing punches to Dutch indeed, but i feel that's part of the charm of the creature too, in some way.
  17. azamultic
    Quote from: yautjapet on Jul 18, 2018, 03:07:08 PM
    At first I was a bit put out by the cheetah remark - AvP1 aside, all the other predators have been agile rather than bulky, going back to the very beginning - but I remembered how Brian Prince said he made use of his parkour skill and agility on set, so I'm not concerned Upgrade will be "more" graceful than Captive or anything.

    To be honest, even with amazing performance from Kevin Peter Hall, he still looked pretty bulky and heavy, in every hand to hand combat he felt very heavy and slow, remembering the Mike Harrigan fight on the ship, or with the Dutch at the end of the first movie. He did good, I mean he is the best predator and I love Jungle hunter and city hunter, but in this scenes without editing you can see that he struggles to move very fast in predator suite. I am not shitting on the classics btw  ;)
  18. yautjapet
    At first I was a bit put out by the cheetah remark - AvP1 aside, all the other predators have been agile rather than bulky, going back to the very beginning - but I remembered how Brian Prince said he made use of his parkour skill and agility on set, so I'm not concerned Upgrade will be "more" graceful than Captive or anything.
  19. Original Predator
    "they like the hunting aspect of it, they break down every aspect of whatever costume he's wearing this time and make toys of it. It's strange, but it's so longstanding and won't go away."

    Translation:

    These Pred fans are nuts!! So nuts I had to drop my Twitter account!!!
  20. HashTag_TheSwag
    It leaves about as much of an impression on me as this guy does.



    "Sorry, unrelated, but will Thomas Jane have an important role or will he die quickly ? Because we almost don't see him at all in the trailers."

    Spoilers (Maybe?)

    I think he's the dude hanging upside down in the forest scene during the trailer.
    He's the only one wearing a red shirt so that's my guess. Unless that's one of the death scenes they re-shot so it might not go that way in the final cut, even though the dudes already dead in the shot.
  21. BigDaddyJohn
    I agree on the fact that he does look bulky, and that it could imply he isn't really fast... But personally i go beyond that, and i think he'll be more than that on screen, simply because we haven't seen him move yet. Anyway he is described as fast and agile in the script. The good thing is the use of CGI totally allows that  ;)

    As a side note, i wonder how much he weighs though ? A classic pred is said in various documents from the extended universe to weigh in at 520 pounds at least, which seem reasonable when you look at them. For the upgrade, it will probably reach 900 or more... I mean, tigers can reach 690 pounds and still move really fast...
  22. azamultic
    Quote from: BigDaddyJohn on Jul 18, 2018, 12:33:42 PM
    We haven't seen him move yet, how do we know he won't be moving elegantly ? Muscle mass on a frickin' alien would mean he isn't capable of being fast and graceful ? Just because he's big ?

       In defence of people not seeing this huge predator to be elegant, is simple, the basic design language, if you want to make a tank, he going to have huge chest, traps, biceps, legs, he will be very heavy and moving very heavy, if you want to make a agile elf, who moves very elegant you making him slender, light. That's simple design rules. The Upgrade does look more tanky then agile type. But then again you can break every rule if you know how to manipulate them, so I totally don't have no problems with a huge tank looking creature moving elegantly like a an elf  ;) (don't take my words literally, just exaggeration).
        But also I want to point out that the Upgrade doesn't look like he took too much steroids, I mean the proportions of his body to his height looks pretty good, I mean he looks like just somebody took Jungle, City hunter, and just up-scaled them. And added a little bit more muscles on arms. Yes his torso has more developed muscles then Jungle/City Hunter, but it's nowhere near as Powerlifters from AVP 2004.
  23. Lamb
    Those noticing the vast difference between this Pred and a cheetah - He's talking about the way it moves, not how lean it is, or anything. When it hits the ground I'm imagining it will absorb the impact gracefully, rather than just slam down like a solid lump, as seen in AVP. To me this is a very good thing, because those stompy guys from AVP were ridiculous.
  24. azamultic
    Quote from: skull-splitter on Jul 18, 2018, 10:28:14 AM
    Quote from: azamultic on Jul 18, 2018, 09:29:18 AM
    Quote from: skull-splitter on Jul 18, 2018, 08:35:04 AM
    So a bulky, bigger and badder predator is compared to a cheetah, say what now?
    I think Shane was talking about AVP predators who looked like Football players, clumsy, also they body felled more puffy like a bodybuilder between competition seasons, or straight up Powerlifters. Where Upgrade does look like bodybuilder, and huge, but his proportions look more like Frank Zane then Ronny Coleman. Also the use of CGI does help to make Upgrade moves to be elegant, compare to the guy in the suite.   


    felt* sorry for my grammar, not a native speaker.  ;D
    I know he's refering to the AvP ones as those are the only ones truly looking like football players.

    But I just find it very ironic when he mentions them, wanting to go for a cheetah and ending up with a roided out predator 1.5x the size and thinking it will be scarier than the original. It just cements that you didn't get the creature at it's core at all. And I say this not having read the script so I might be surprised and I hope I am. But I'm afraid I won't be.

    I actually noticed that Upgraded doesn't have a very huge chest, or abs muscles, the only thing is really huge is his arms, and I guess legs, but we didn't see it yet, but his torso looks pretty athletic nod roided up, not counting that he is 10 feet tall. And I think he is like a lion(not cheetah),  huge lion, and Lions are freaking buff, but they can look elegant too.
  25. skull-splitter
    Quote from: azamultic on Jul 18, 2018, 09:29:18 AM
    Quote from: skull-splitter on Jul 18, 2018, 08:35:04 AM
    So a bulky, bigger and badder predator is compared to a cheetah, say what now?
    I think Shane was talking about AVP predators who looked like Football players, clumsy, also they body felled more puffy like a bodybuilder between competition seasons, or straight up Powerlifters. Where Upgrade does look like bodybuilder, and huge, but his proportions look more like Frank Zane then Ronny Coleman. Also the use of CGI does help to make Upgrade moves to be elegant, compare to the guy in the suite.   


    felt* sorry for my grammar, not a native speaker.  ;D
    I know he's refering to the AvP ones as those are the only ones truly looking like football players.

    But I just find it very ironic when he mentions them, wanting to go for a cheetah and ending up with a roided out predator 1.5x the size and thinking it will be scarier than the original. It just cements that you didn't get the creature at it's core at all. And I say this not having read the script so I might be surprised and I hope I am. But I'm afraid I won't be.
  26. bibouisback
    Sorry, unrelated, but will Thomas Jane have an important role or will he die quickly ? Because we almost don't see him at all in the trailers.
  27. azamultic
    Quote from: skull-splitter on Jul 18, 2018, 08:35:04 AM
    So a bulky, bigger and badder predator is compared to a cheetah, say what now?
    I think Shane was talking about AVP predators who looked like Football players, clumsy, also they body felled more puffy like a bodybuilder between competition seasons, or straight up Powerlifters. Where Upgrade does look like bodybuilder, and huge, but his proportions look more like Frank Zane then Ronny Coleman. Also the use of CGI does help to make Upgrade moves to be elegant, compare to the guy in the suite.   


    felt* sorry for my grammar, not a native speaker.  ;D
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