We’ve got another two new The Predator stills courtesy of 20th Century Fox. The first shows Boyd Holbrook, Trevante Rhodes, Keegan-Michael Key, Thomas Jane and Augusto Aguilera assembled in a motel or hotel room. The second new still is a scene featured in the trailer with Olivia Munn’s Bracket defending Jacob Tremblay from a Predator.
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There was also a shot before Sterling K Brown speaks of a non skinned body hanging from a tree. But can also confirm the shot of the individual loonies laughing on the bus. It shows Alfie, TJ, Augusto and Trevante
I think people just have to be ready for the basic core of what came from the leaked script/plot leaks/set photos. The bigger issues for me was how insane it got in the third act and a lot of the dialogue. It'll come down to execution for a lot of this. It can only go so far for some people, which can be evidenced by how people have expressed their opinion on here about what we have heard and seen.
Like I have said, I'm going to have faith but I have no problem calling it a bad movie if it turns out to be one.
If Black can’t manage the jokes while juggling the suspense, horror and action. Then it’s not gonna be pretty.
On the flip side of that, if he can utilize the jokes in a way that doesn’t distract your attention from the film itself. Well, he’ll have overcome a very big hurdle, that allot of fans fear he’s incapable of.
No-one ever wants to look scared in front of "the team".
I watched 3 minutes of it on tv once, and had to change the channel. It was just too much. As for the modern analysis angle, I think films like Predator would be the main example for this type of thing. Something that was initially meant to be, and was seen as scary or thrilling.
Commando is deadly serious.
I honestly cannot accept that anyone ever thought Commando was a serious movie...
Again watching those movies in the year 2018. Is a completely different circumstance of study and analysis.
My dad brought my mom to that movie and to this day recalls the entire theatre on edge, could hear a pindrop, along with my mom bruising my dad's arm from squeezing constantly during the film.
Maybe not the M134, but they were very interested in turning the minigun concept into a portable platform. I do remember them mentioning this only briefly in one of the BTS videos for Predator. Jesse Ventura talks about it for a second.
It just never worked out. Trying to shrink things down to make it practical gutted the overwhelming fire power, and besides the amount of fire power was actually... ultimately wasteful.
Though they did eventually, decades later, pull it off with the XM556.
Ol' Painless has a little brother.
Yeah some people laugh at strange things. My reactions when I first saw Predator were "oh shit" to most of those things. The handshake between Dutch and Dillion had me go bug eyed. "Gawd-dam!"
Right- so 30 some years later....you can look back and see the "funny" aspects of the 80's machismo playing out (as with most movies in that era). At the time tho, AND upon very first watch, wasn't the case at all.
So your statement actually has some severe flaw in it.
Not really.
If you ask me, the minigun is no less comedy than the final act of Commando.
People are strange.
It seems at this point "humor" is an opinion based on over-analytical pickiness towards meaningless aspects of film.
Good news is Black as confirmed in "Collider" that the humor won't be too much as it's not meant to be a "comedy" of any sort:
“I think the reason there’s a lasting quality that the original movie has that’s due I think, in part to the fact that it was made before it was so easy to just do a bunch of CGI effects and before video games had taken hold as well. So, there was a more visceral kind of war movie thriller-esque quality to the material.
It [The Predator] is ultimately gonna be a thriller. It’s not gonna be a comedy. It’s an R-rated movie and it’s supposed to be a kind of harrowing experience. I think it goes to what Fred and I are very familiar with, which is, if you told me to write a comedy I’d be helpless, but if you say write a thriller and put some jokes in it, then fine. Then, I don’t have to worry… it’s that sort of combination and tone shuffling that becomes at once the juggling act and also the challenge, but the joy too of what we’re trying to do.”
I saw Predator in a packed cinema just a while back, and the place roared with laughter whenever that thing was fired on-screen.
Other big belly-laughs I can remember off the top of my head included Dutch and Dillon's "handshake", most of the shootout in the jungle camp, Dillon stripping off and joining in with the sweaty muscle tree-hauling and Dutch screaming into the jungle to get ol' Pred's attention.
That said, this is very true. Most of the silly stuff is in the first act. But there are definitely a lot of intentionally funny things in there.
Couldn't agree more. Predator is a fun movie, not a funny movie IMO.
It’s still very much out of the realm of possibility. They tried mounting the M134 onto the Humvee and couldn’t. So the likelihood of seeing a man portable version in reality is still a ways away. Not too mention ludicrous seeing one man using it as if it were possible or practical.
I can’t speak to if the Pentagon was thinking about developing a portable handheld M134 in the 80’s. But, I’m pretty confident in saying that was not the reason for it’s inclusion in the first film. However, I’m open to being corrected.
However, Old Painless is very much the product of its time. Totally 80’s machismo to the nth degree.
I don’t want anyone to think I dislike Painless. I love it. Just something I figured could be argued as an unintentionally funny aspect that could be found in P1.
The way Black describes this though, feels more in line with the Marvel movies. If everyone of the cast is firing off one liners it's going to remove that tension. Also I'm praying for no actual joke involving the Predator directly, the kind of stuff I'm talking about is
Predator says something in clicks
Boy - Translates
Soldier says something
Predator says something
Boy - Translates the joke.
Slowly rocking in corner at the prospect.
They were playing with the idea of a man portable version of the minigun IRL. That's where the idea came from in the first place. The problems with doing so are obvious.
Though we do actually have a proper portable "suit case size" minigun now.
M60.
The movie starts as an action romp. When Hawkins dies pretty much any sense of humour is sapped out of the film in favor of a constant tension that ramps up across the final act.
The point is that the first Predator film did not make goofy comedy takes. It has some funny one liners and a couple jokes, but it stays well clear of falling into farce. It's all about injecting levity into a tense scenario.
It's called character building, it also makes us feel more sorry for Hawkins when he gets diced up.
There's also the tonal balance of the film. It's a big bad ass 80's action shooter, so it works and it kinda still works in movies like the expendables ( although they go to far with it IMO).
I agree,
Also, I didn’t mean to say ‘has to be’. My point was more that individual viewer reactions vary and weren’t as broad as you made it seem. Too clarify my point more. I don’t think that, just because some may see Old Painless as ludicrous or unintentionally funny, they’re automatically “sucked out of the film” from that point on.
I was just pointing out some point in the original film that could be seen as unintentionally funny. I don’t think it makes or breaks the film by its mere existence.
Thanks for the info! I wonder what Mac’s weapon would have been in return?
EDIT
Painless was scripted to be the M60 that Mac carries.
It’s funny because it’s ludacris. I never said it was side splitting comedy. More unintentionally funny because it’s ludicrous to think a battery operated, usually helicopter mounted mini gun, would be hauled around as a one man weapon.
Also I disagree that the reactions to that weapon have to be “f**k yeah!”. I’ve watched the film with many different people. The reactions varied, there were some who thought it was both ludicrous (I.e. funny) and cool.
I knew Old Painless was turned into a hand held GE M134 mini gun. I was unaware of the exact weapon it was originally meant to be. Which was it originally? A M60 or a M249 SAW? Mac carries an M60E3, which might have been what Old Painless would’ve ultimately turned into on screen. Had they not gone with iconic M134.
It was also something added during production. In the script, Old Painless is an M60 SAW.
True, but he had, you know, the dip. The Snuff. The Chaw. The ol' Lip Sod (as I call it). But just a "peench". He didn't have time for more.
Well he did say he was a “Sexual Tyrannosaurus”.
In all seriousness for those who don’t know what I mean -
Vietnam-Era Military Verb: To march, walk, hike, or otherwise engage in long distance traveling by foot for the purposes of waging war, moving materials, or bringing the fight to the enemy.
To hump means simply to walk during combat conditions.
We had to hump 8 klicks before sundown and then dig a fox hole before eating chow for the night.
That's gonna take some skill, and some serious staying power right there.
The whole concept of Old Painless is pretty ridiculous and unintentionally funny. I mean, can you REALLY imagine a soldier humping a Chopper mounted weapon, through the mountainous region of the Central American jungle?
It’s not a really practical thing for a spec ops soldier to be hauling in terms of weight distribution and ammo consumption. Especially for that aforementioned terrain in which they were operating.
Can you give some other “unintentionally hilarious stuff” examples?
Let’s hope the final trailer does an amazing job of hyping up both fans and the casual audience alike.
I see what you're saying and having a 1:1 Predator 1 bust here for reference, but regardless of chosen style they just weren't able to replicate it. In Predator the creature opened his mouth wide just as well, but had no floppy cheeks, ever.
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The most badass shot of a predator of all time. Just nothing comes close.
They've only tried to replicate the classic in Predators. All the other movies went for their own style. They nearly got it, but like Sil mentioned I think the movement was off, the mandibles were not quite right.
Our podcast on the trailer is now up.
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Funny when you see toy figures of the super predators where their mouth closes properly, makes you wish it looked like that in the movie.
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These creature effect designers also get in trouble when they have the mandibles open too wide when "roaring".
ADI was basically told with Wolf to make him closer to the classic Predators, and on the whole they did a good job. Their face design still wasn't up to snuff, but at least that was obscured for the most part in the film.
Maybe i'll hear some people complaining about that too... "Prepare yourself"
I don't think it's a mistake, it's most likely a combination of choice and lighting. The choice to make the Predator look different and the Directors style when filming. There's even a fan suit you can buy that everyone raves about that's nearly perfect.
It can be replicated, but I guess Hollywood figures we audiences always want something new ( Even the Marvel movies seem to change movie to movie).
That tells me that it's more by choice rather than ability as to why the faces look different. He had replicated it perfectly, even the eyes.