As coverage of Alien: Covenant’s presence at SXSW continues, we’re starting to get more detailed reports on the scenes previewed before a special showing of Alien. Specifically, Bloody Disgusting and i09, have given some details recounting on a scene we briefly glimpsed in the trailer where Billy Crudup’s Christopher Oram is attacked by a facehugger. The full scene that was shown gives the context and setup leading to this event. (Beware Spoilers)
“David (Michael Fassbender) is giving Christopher (Billy Crudup) a tour of his workshop, where he’s been working on genetically engineering creatures of his own; he’s become fascinated with these alien creatures in the wake of the events of Prometheus. David shows Christopher a handful of familiar-looking eggs that are part of his process, revealing that he needs a human host in order to complete their birth. That host, of course, is Christopher himself.”
I09 provide more detail, recounting the dialogue exchanged between David and Oram: “So far, the clips all showed beats familiar to fans of the long-running scifi horror series, however, the third one harbored the most morbid twist. In it, we saw Captain Oram talking to an android played by Michael Fassbender. However, this wasn’t the newly revealed Walter model. It’s David, the android last seen in Prometheus, who explained to Oram that he’s become something of an amateur zoologist. As the camera lingered on dissected specimens, David revealed he’s been studying the xenomorph. He explained that he’s mapped how insectoid carriers burst from spores to infect hosts and create hybrid lifeforms. Davis spoke admirably about the adaptive qualities of the xenon as he led Oram to a subterranean chamber filled with the iconic Alien egg sacs. Oram asked about the status of these sacs and David replied that they’re “waiting for mother” and assuring the human they’re “perfectly safe, I assure you.” The flaps of one sac opened, showing motion behind a cloudy membrane. Oram leaned over the opening to peer inside and a face-hugger leapt onto his head. David watched impassively as Oram struggled and died.”
Alien vs. Predator Galaxy can clarify that the intent of this scene is that David is responsible for the creation of these particular eggs. The origins of the Alien species as a whole is not explained in any clear cut manner. As has been noted in several of the recent set reports the Aliens in this film have a deliberate lack of biomechanical in the design because, as Production Designer Chris Seagers explained, “we’re sort of edging into that.”
One of the theories currently going around the fan community is that David is recreating or improving upon old Engineer experiments. At SXSW, Sir Ridley Scott talked about AI and how artificial intelligence was incapable of being “authentically creative,” perhaps suggesting that as an AI David isn’t capable of creating the Aliens?
Sir Ridley Scott’s prequel trilogy definitely seems to be heading in the direction of telling the story of how the Aliens came to be the H.R Giger nightmare that we first encountered in Alien. Only time will tell how Scott gets us there.
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It's from the Fire and Stone comic arc. Elden was a synthetic infected by the black goo.
It's starts off promising...
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Then ends up disappointing....
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Does that include AVP?
I know we all like debating every last piece of this ad nauseum -- but Occam's Razor -- the mural exists because the Engineers at some point are aware of the fact that some form of Alien exists or existed.
Whatever happens in this movie does not change that. Nor is there any reason to force that to be the case.
On a separate note:
Maybe the Prologue to Prometheus happens on a planet with no life because of what the goo does when it corrupts something already alive. The Engineers were there to create a Hellish world.
We still have to presume that regardless of what planet that actually is - The Engineers met Earthlings and at some point were encouraging them to visit outer space. Considering that they were inviting humans that had barely discovered fire -- how would they know who to expect down the road?
i thus shall hold this claim, to which i agree, exactly 100% similar to the derelict still being intact. and no, i don't need another 'lecture' from SM.
the movies are canon.
However, if after the next few movies in this series EVERYTHING (who knows, maybe they did have an ingenious master plan!) in Prometheus makes sense, I will eat my hat and post pictures of me doing so.
What is this Elden transformation, do you have pictures?
1) That is not a Xenomorph. It is either a Neomorph, Protomorph, a Deacon, or an ancient species of alien with similar structure.
2) "Handful", as in several. Not literally a "hand full of eggs". Was it really that hard for you to figure out?
3) Check the trailer with the Face Hugger jumping out and look who is standing in the background.
4) It was revealed by Ridley Scott himself. Accept it.
Goodbye.
Yeah, I'd really dig seeing something like that on screen. It's just begging to be done with all the black goo shenanigans. Hopefully it'll look something truly Giger-esque.
Yeah. I think that when it surrounds the film, as in special features or in a disc menu, websites, and the like, or viral marketing and etc - I think they should be more careful about this stuff. They certainly don't intend to reference it in the films/make it canonical. With Prometheus, my take on all that stuff in the menus and on the blu-ray, is that Fox heard feedback about stuff not making sense and tried to make the Blu-Ray include 'answers' of some sort, and that's why all this varied info was thrown in. I take it with a fine grain of salt.
I'd also like to see an Elden kind of transformation, be it Shaw or David. It was a great concept in Fire and Stone, just executed poorly.
What, like kill all the Jedi?
lol
Well if it had been featured in a trailer or on disc with commentary from Ridley it would hold some weight for discussion but that was the point when I first mentioned it was part of the internet marketing of Prometheus. It doesn't hold any weight, much less prove that David contacted the company. The description with the image itself states the company gathered this knowledge from an engineer "info manual."
I dont care where we've read this, unless it was IN the film and without a shred of doubt at that, as far as Ridley Scott, Fox and any writer is concerned, it's not canon.
"Declassified: In researching the aftermath of Project Prometheus, Weyland Industries managed to uncover an information manual written by the Engineers concerning a chemical agent found by the Prometheus crew. Linguistic components from the original document translated by a Weyland Industries' cybernetic individual."
That's true. That seemed to be what influenced Ash's actions.
It is perhaps, worth noting, that David was 'programmed' by Weyland and thus the Company, and while it seems he has been entirely liberated, there may be some desire to report back to W-Y on his part.
If the former, then the derelict was the first ship to take off and set route to Earth, stationated probably at lv-223 and below another temple where another weapon that it was not the deacon (the classic alien), was being developed too for its use on us, for then being intercepted by the good engineers in the nearby space, near the Acheron Moon, and crash over there.
If the later, since it seems the engineers hadn't developed even the proto-alien as It seems to be David's creation, and the derelict is going to be shot down in the next film (not 2000 years ago), then who was the derelict pilot?. It has to be another bad engineer because it was shot down according to the hologram. It can not be Shaw or someone good trying to scape with the aliens to hide them somewhere else where no one can find them.
The problem with the later possibility, is that the signal was a warning, and a bad engineer isn't supposed to send that kind of warning..., confusing I know. Writers and Scott will have to deal with this, although I'm sure they already have the answer or a plan for this, just like the image above kind of proves that the bombing and the events that are going to happen in the sequel to Prometheus, Covenant, were already planned if not at the same time of doing prometheus, then little later (in the deleted scenes David speaks of Paradise, so writers and Scott were already on it, hence we were given those classified WY files, I think).
Engineers will sure appear alive and kicking in the last third film. That's almost assured, because if neither the proto-alien nor the classic weren't made by the engineers but by David or whatever more it's added next, then sure the Derelict will appear in the next film, and wasn't another of the ships stationed at lv-223, because they didn't have the alien, we can presume
I forgot about that easter egg and had to look it back up. The saucer does look similar to the one from the beginning of Prometheus...maybe?
Then we can clearly read about the eventual effects of a full planetary infection with the goo throughout a six month timespan, as well as a basic primary report on the very balck goo effects prior planetary attack. That has to be David's report on his experiments at Paradise.
Then in '79 alien we know the company knew of the alien and wanted a retrival. I know it's a bit premature to come to these conclusions, but we can more or less safely assume that they knew of the alien because of David's continuos reporting on his experiments.
I'd like to think from now on until we can finally watch covenant, that The company ordered the bombing and the subsequent experiments.
Thing is..., did he bomb the good engineers instead of the bad ones from Prometheus?, because if we continue to not forget about the hologram saw in the awful alien colonial marines game when shooting the jockey, and If that's what Scott eventually has y in store for the third and final film that serves as a bridge to alien, then he might have bombed the wrong engineers
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He seems to have bombed Paradise with the black shit in certain key planetary locations, at the very least three. The method seems to be atmospheric bombing, for then the chemical spreads through air and humidity, infecting the entire planet, as It is reported by the middle of that file. Full planetary infection successful, even the seas. Well It reads "99%".
He's using either Engineer communication tech from the Citadel/wherever place he's found in the planet or from the Juggernaut directly.
Depending on how far Paradise is from Earth, then we should learn:
a) If he's sent a single report using simple radio webs to the company during his long 10 years pressence there (then paradise should not be further than 6 or seven years)
b)If he's using engineer's quantum entanglement tech he can find over there, then he must be sending continuos reports, firtst the planetary infection spread/outcome, and thenreports on his own investigation on the black goo
I guess it's safely to assume the company knew of the organism in "Alien" thanks to David. What remains to be seen in the last film is:
a) What version of the alien was The Company informed/aware of?
b)Who's the iconic Space Jockey of the Derelict?
- Edited: I'm starting to think after learning of this, that perhaps David hasn't bombed the planet on his own volition because he's a curious nature boy wanting to experiment on the goo, specially if the communication between David and the company has been fluent and fast enough, thanks to engineer tech he should be able to find at the Citadel, the juggernaut, wherever in that planet.
Maybe The Company ordered him to bomb the planet. The evil Company in the classic alien films, remember?. First, as a pre-emptive war action against the engineers, just in case they resumed their old 2000 years old evil plan on us; and second, of course for testing purposes of the chemical, testing it on full planetary scale, as it was probably meant to be this weapon of mass destruction, and terror.
Even the later experiments David seems to have been through on the engineers with the goo might have been issued directly by WY directive, after he reported of his arrival at the planet
Prometheus stole fire from The Gods, and gave it to men. Then men, their own creation, used their own weapon, fire, against them. Paradise lost
Put it this way. What are you compared to Scott.
Let me guess... IMDB right.
I don't agree. I want to know who created the xenomorph and why. As for David, it's clear he has only refined an organism that the Engineers were already familiar with.
Well the answer is David. Scott is a fool. He made Prometheus with the strong belief that it would share the same DNA as Alien, but would be it's own stand alone thing, because he wanted to stay away from Alien but still tell a story in the same universe. Prometheus ending up being a crap movie and instead of sticking to his guns and continuing Prometheus we get a sequel with XENOS everywhere. We don't need to know who created them and why. It's much more terrifying when the Alien is shrouded in mystery.
And to top it off we have Alien Awakening with is a prequel to a sequel of a prequel of Alien.
Your response doesn't address my questions.
When was the alien shown to be indestructible?
When did the alien regenerate?
What evidence shows the alien is powered by acid?
When was the derelict ship shown to be biomech?
When was the alien ship shown producing eggs?
Your response is basically "You can interpret anything because in Alien we cannot understand the full reach of it's biomechanical nature". Well if we can't understand it, then we certainly can't jump to conclusions regarding ships producing eggs, indestructible aliens, regeneration and anything like that. We can only base our understanding on the facts presented in the films. Anything else is fan fiction and speculation until proven canon.
Regarding your Space Jockey/Engineer comments. I don't like the retcon RS did with these guys. Maybe there is another race that is the giant "Space Jockey" seen in Alien, or maybe they are just Engineers in suits who somehow shrunk in size. I don't like the meddling RS is doing mainly because I don't see Alien as his creation. The story is all O'Bannon and his brain child.
If RS really gave a crap he would have kept technology roughly the same between the prequels and Alien.
"You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? Perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility."
The question that arises and that Scott seem to want answer is who would create such a thing and why?
Not exactly subtle Giger - but case, and point about 'subtext.'
Its a metaphor. Its not meant to be taken literally. That's the point. That humans have a flawed need to take things literally and make them seem more controlled.
Ambiguity doesn't imply that you can read ANYTHING into Alien. I didn't say that. Come on. I said the ambiguous parts are meant to be ambiguous.
I didnt say the alien is indestructible. That was someone else. I was just trying to mediate.
When I first saw Alien, I thought the monster seemed to have 'evolved' in deep time to perfectly hunt space travellers. Like all of its defenses evolved to make it this perfect space pest. I never imagined it as a weapon or a creature with a place of origin. I liked the idea of this being that's evolution made it strictly to complicate space travel.
Man, I'd kill to see something like this -
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I know that Scott, O'Bannon, and the producers never intended the creature to be indestructible, far from it actually. Anyone who has spent time on the Strange Shapes blog will know that
I really dislike that "God doesn't build in straight lines" quote. Straight lines occur in nature all the time.
The whole idea is that it is "alien" and we cannot understand the full reach of it's biomechanical nature. One of the reasons the film has inspired equal intellectual debate and the usual, is because Scott and the filmmakers included all sorts of maybes, in the details of ALIEN, so you can see it in a very straightforward manner but also interpret more. This is one of the ways its such a smart movie. There are all kinds of things in the interaction between the text of the script and the design interacting with the characters and the text, and also subtext, that add a depth to it. Scott has spoken in a good deal of detail over the years addressing this stuff. The freudian elements to Giger's work and how the Alien makes the male a female when it reproduces etc etc. The Biomechanics arent treated any differently. There are hints the Alien may be communicating with the ship and naming the computer 'Mother' is no mistake.
So the Biomechanics are just another piece of that - ambiguous AND deliberate.
The Space Jockey was supposed to be an Engineer after Prometheus, but they also LEFT SOME ROOM to ponder here, because Shaw and the films is asking "Who made them?" It is possible to consider that the Space Jockey's are a race the Engineers modeled themselves off of, but overall if you want things to be straight forward, its an Engineer in a suit, and I do think that was intended. Although now, it seems they may change that.
"God does not build in straight lines." - Holloway
I say, beware of trying to force an animal to walk a straight line, that is meant to roam free.
Fernandito's clearly watching a different movie or creating his own cut.
When was the alien depicted as indestructible, or able to regenerate, or powered by acid? I never saw that in any of the movies. When was the Derelict show as being biomech? Furthermore, when was the ship show producing eggs? I think you're in la la land
It's doesn't appear that the Juggernaut is the same ship as the Derelict so there is room for variances. However it was Prometheus's intention to retcon the Space Jockey into the Engineers.