Noomi Rapace will not appear in Alien: Covenant! Despite his earlier comment that Noomi Rapace would briefly be in Alien: Covenant, according to comments made in an article from the Daily Mail Ridley Scott has said that Noomi Rapace will not appear in Alien: Covenant:
“I asked if Noomi Rapace, who was in his film Prometheus (from which Covenant follows), would be working with him in Australia and he said no. ‘We’re still casting the main roles,’ he said.”
According to an article from the Daily Mail Noomi Rapace will not appear in Alien: Covenant
Neither Rapace nor her character Elizabeth Shaw were mentioned in the initial story details provided about Alien: Covenant which lead to speculation she would not be appearing. It was only Scott’s comments that dispelled that rumour. When talking about Alien: Covenant back in November Ridley Scott had said that Noomi Rapace would be appearing the Prometheus sequel but “only appear briefly.”
In addition to the news about Noomi’s disappearance from Alien: Covenant, the Daily Mail article also mentioned that Ridley had nearly completed his Ridleygrams (a nickname given to the extensive storyboards that Scott has a tendency to do) for the film: “He’s already got most of the film drawn in his own very detailed storyboards that enable him to visualise every shot before shooting actually begins.”
Thanks to wmmvrrvrrmm for the link to the original article.
I say go for it. The Deapool retcon worked extremely well.
I'm all for him directing an alien movie but I didn't like the direction he was going. No more Ripley, no retconning hicks back.
David will be there, Shaw might be in cryo-sleep the entire time or she could leave to explore the Paradise Planet without David so she won't appear probably until the 3rd movie.
We got everyone good with that one!
I love her, but Sigourney f**ked it up when she didn't want to do ALIEN 5 on Earth and yes, killing of Newt and Hicks was a mistake narratively. But neither one of those scenarios are unmanageable provided the writer steps back and FOX thinks through the next FEW sequels and not just the NEXT one.
That's the problem. That has been the problem from the get-go. And contrary to ALMOST EVERYONE'S belief - it's not really even remotely unsolvable. Especially with where the story is now and since they are proceeding with another prequel that can easily tie into what happens later.
There is no need for a retcon. They need to come up with an all encompassing story and having a HOMEWORLD-type planet tied into it is the step they were always missing. The other big picture, missing element which BLOMKAMP's film seems to want to explore is what the COMPANY will do with the Alien if they get it.
If you'd rather not step things up because you'd rather have Hicks back, that's just childish and it isn't whats best for the series. Neither is ignoring multiple sequels. You want to say their deaths are poor writing - ok. But fixing it by retconning just makes a bigger mess.
This should have nothing to do with retconning or Alien 3 at this point. That was 4 films ago. Going back there, to that space, just because you want to, is bizarre and ridiculous, IMO anyway.
They just need to step back. Look at what has happened, and ask "what do we need to do to pull it together?' And then just yarn it. It's really NOT difficult as people have led themselves to believe.
If its a Predator... I give up.
Watch as it turns out to be a Predator. We'll finally solve the mystery behind that picture of the Space Jockey with the Plasma Caster on his shoulder.
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This is all a work of fiction. It is also not pre-planned fiction, meaning that the story can go in any direction just like an improv act. In that sense, yes of course it is a joke. But it is a good one, and I for one would love to hear it told in different directions. Alien 3 is a fine film, but I would be happy to see a different tale told by another director.
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This.
My worst fear.
However just letting Shaw go would be just as stupid. I can't stand her but that doesn't mean she couldn't be the greatest villain of all time once this trilogy is done.
The point is that it really is a sort of a joke. The key here is that all Alien sequels were not pre-meditated at the time Alien was written. It all happened organically, with no manifest destiny. It is not like changing some of the films alters the grand masterplan. This isn't Star Wars, where the first 6 films literally had to be what they are. In the case of the Alien series, I think it should be ok to step back, look at the big picture and judge where the film series went sideways. I think it will be glaringly obvious that this was at the moment of Alien 3. I am totally for a different story being told. Sure it could fail, but it cold also succeed. That goes for every film. Depending on the reception, Fox can then make a decision as to which sequel to Aliens is canon. My money would be on Blomkammp's film over David Fincher's...
And back on topic. I am really curious about what happened to Shaw. I can't believe this "no Noomi Rapace" rumour caught so much traction. I guess it is because Ridley hasn't made any efforts to correct the situation.
It'll actually be Ridley Scott. He'll pop the mask off, point at the camera and wink.
If the writers can't come up with another story in this series without the continuous need to step on the toes of predecessors*, then it's really just become a big joke at that point.
Fresh stories and new characters without shooting itself in the foot is what the series needs. If Shaw doesn't reappear, I've got no problem with that. It's not the first time characters have disappeared and their narrative abruptly concluded before their tale has ended. I'd like to see her return, though. Maybe in the 2nd or 3rd installments of this new trilogy, if it's going to happen at all.
...and no. Not as the big revelation that that's her, the pilot inside the derelict ship on Acheron. That is so facepalm worthy. lol.
-Windebieste.
*It's bad enough we are stuck with the deaths of Newt, Ripley and Hicks; but attempting to undo that now is no guarantee of success.
LOL
But in all seriousness, you can't compare Aliens to Alien 3. Its a diamonds and oranges comparison. The franchise hinges on Alien and Aliens. Everything else is just trying in vain to live up to those standards.
-Windebieste.
Nah, we should retcon Alien 3. It's a great film as an alternative story, but a better one should have been made. It's kind of like Deadpool in the Wolverine: Origins movie vs. the new Deadpool movie. Yes the tale of Deadpool was told already, but a probably better one is about to unfold. Alien 3 has to go. I mean you can still keep your copy, don't get me wrong, but it should be decanonized.
For what to be a success? Blomkamp's movie? That would be much stronger if he wrote a story after Alien 3 with fresh characters. His ideas can still work, but Ripley, Hicks and Newt all died in Alien 3. That's wrapped up! Ripley has a clone living in the future, but that doesn't really change anything. That's 200 years later.
You might expect too much, asking for stories to make sense. The request is reasonable, but it doesn't seem to happen very often.
You know what? I don't care who disagrees. To be a success they need to wrap up Ripley's storyline in a way that doesn't mess things up more.
Then people will accept more.
I actually disagree that telling us where the Alien comes from is the big mistake. The big mistake is the whole series needs to be wrangled together. The big mistake is not writing a story that makes sense.
Personally, I'm more excited about Blomkamp's film.
You must prepare yourself for this possibility. The bigger problem is, whatever happens, I think the Alien universe will be a lot smaller as a result of these new movies. We're going to know exactly where the Alien came from, and there's a good chance an android from earth created it. I'd like to think that's not it. I'd like to think Shaw won't be in the derelict. But I think both of those things are exactly what we're getting. It utterly destroys the mystery and wonder of the original movie. It makes things in that universe seem banal and uninteresting. It could be that any explanation would do that, but the possibilities that present themselves in what we've seen so far (eg Prometheus and Scott's statements about Covenant) seem especially egregious.
It all makes the idea that the derelict was launched over 2100 years ago to eradicate humanity because the Romans crucified an Engineer envoy far more interesting by contrast. But really, the Alien should be something more interesting. Maybe they're a result of differences between Engineers and their masters, maybe part of a war between groups of Engineers or even a conflict between the Engineers and the Predators. It should be something! But I guess not. Oh well. We'll find out when the movie finally arrives.
Im in a car at the moment. But I have a visual memory of maybe Arthurax stating (to paraphrase) 'The idea was to specifically move away from the organic look of Alien and make it mechanical." He goes on to say that "The more they tried the more they ended up realizing they had to embrace the Giger designs..." I wish I could remember off hand where this comes from but its been a while now since Prometheus came out and I was wrapped up in that.
I've not spoken to him since then. I'll try and catch up with him sometime soon. I certainly hope he is returning. It just wouldn't be an Alien release without him behind it.
Any news on whether de Lauzirika will be documenting the making of Alien: Covenant?
I think you mentioned a while back that he thought it was unlikely that he'll docu Blomkamp's Alien. Though I imagine Alien: Covenant would surely be more likely with his old boss directing?
Do you have any specific links to refresh my memory? I'm actually rewatching Furious Gods again and it's quite interesting to pick up on the various nuggets I'd forgotten.
This was always my argument. I just mean to show that what a character says is sometimes blown out of proportion by fans. In Alien, they are Space-Truckers. They dont know what the hell they are encountering in that ship, so they say this or that... I see no reason it should all be taken as gospel.
I wouldn't say no one considers it; it's been debated about. IMO, it's obviously not part of the ship - it's far too large.
I agree with this. In terms of RETCONs this is explainable to me. Especially concerning what has been said in ALIEN regarding the DERELICT, people have ignored all kinds of details in assuming the crew of the NOSTROMO just didn't know what they were seeing in there. For example: Kane clearly states the Egg Silo is a 'CAVE' but almost no one considers it one.
Its fine.
In the case of Alien chemistry interacting with metal, I mean, that isn't understandable whatsoever, so why should it be strange to say 'The climate on the planet in addition to the chemical changes with the Goo are why the Derelict appears fossilized?
Also, I already got the impression that they said FOSSILIZED, BECAUSE they can't understand its an exoskeleton. Right? In which case, that has already been retcon-ed or explained away by misunderstanding, based on human error, and making observations before they encountered the living version of the alien.
I'm not sure it has to be a retcon. Many of us like to think the derelict has been there forever. We also like the Lovecraftian aspect of O'Bannon's original script. But that's out the window. So, the derelict was apparently a sort of living ship. We don't know how long the it would take to decay on the planet. LV426 has a harsh, possibly corrosive atmosphere. The egg chamber seems far better protected than the pilot's chamber, and the derelict looks more biological in nature than the Juggernauts from Prometheus. Maybe Black Goo did that, maybe not. But perhaps the derelict would not survive for any great length of time there. The ship has earthquake damage in Aliens. Seems likely earthquakes are common. Erosion would be a problem. And the derelict probably has bacteria or microbes to help it function while it's alive. When it dies, they may well eat the ship. Between the planet and the ship's chemistry, it's likely the ship ages more quickly than we think. After a time, its possible the entire thing would collapse. Maybe no retcon.
I like this idea with the goo, but it would have to be yet another retcon, because Alien implies the Lv-426 Jockey has been dead there forever - long before the events of Prometheus.
Maybe Shaw is piloting the Derelict at the beginning, in the suit we see grow around the Engineer in Alien, and David infects the suit with the Goo and then shaw mutates and crashes onto LV426.
While it's true that the scope of his films has always been too large for him to handle everything by himself, he is the man who calls all the shots with regards to the look of the film. He is well known (even notorious) for micromanaging the art department which is really the PD's job.
Here's a quote from Michael Deely (Blade Runner producer):
So while all those individual artists are still important, the role of the production designer becomes a bit moot. Ridley Scott is as much the production designer on his films as he is the director.
Ridley is the curator not the creator.
Apparently Chris Seagers will be the PD for Alien: Covenant.
A production designer is a bit irrelevant on a Ridley Scott film anyway.
Which pleases me so much.
I was referring more to the interior but that still does have a metal appearance. I just notice the stone a lot. Regardless, the absence of the real biomechanical is the most noticeable.
Oh and it's just a thought I had. I mean we went through all of this it's an alien prequel then it's not and then Prometheus 2 became Paradise lost and then Giger died and now it's Alien:Covenant. It's been over a year so I guess it's ok.
I see. That *is* interesting. Okay.
I got the impression from what he said that he was given the boot.
Unless something interesting happened, Arthur Max will be the production designer on the new film, right? I doubt much will change.