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The first in Titan Book’s newest Aliens vs. Predator novel trilogy, Predator: Incursion, is due for release on the 20th of October. However, those of you who enjoy reading eBooks will find you are now able to order the Kindle version. On the product page for the eBook version of Predator: Incursion there is also a lengthly preview for those waiting for the printed copy. Just click “Look inside” on the Amazon page.

300315_04 Predator: Incursion eBook Available & Preview Online“Predator ships stream into human space in unprecedented numbers. The Colonial Marines, controlled by Weyland-Yutani, respond to the incursion, thus entering the Rage War.

This terrifying assault by the Yautja cannot go unchallenged, yet the cost of combat is high. Predators are master combatants, and each encounter yields a high body count. Then when Lt. Johnny Mains and his marines—the VoidLarks—enter the fray, they discover an enemy deadlier than any could imagine.

Book one in an epic trilogy that continues in ALIEN: INVASION and concludes in ALIENS VS. PREDATOR: ARMAGEDDON. The universe will forever be changed.”

Thanks to Ultramorph for the tip.



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  1. The Alien Predator
    I'm actually curious about that too.

    Amazon seems to give this book more stars (four and a half out of five) than the previous trilogy, which all have four.

    The product review comments that I read seemed to like the book.
  2. QuiGonGinNJuice
    I think I'm going to get this book on my girlfriends kindle, and wait to get all three if and when they release it as a hardback. I have read some reviews online but since mass media is ran by a bunch of turd blossoms I'm waiting to read your review Corp Hicks with the answers from Lebbon.
  3. The Alien Predator
    Quote from: robbritton on Nov 08, 2015, 08:33:07 PM
    Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 08, 2015, 02:34:58 AM
    I finally finished the book, and wow was that an ending! I'll have more thoughts up probably tomorrow, but a few preliminary things that jumped out at me.
    Spoiler
    I like how the conference with the Yautja was handled, and it was pretty cool when Kalakta touched heads with Palant the same way Ahab did with Elden in Omega.

    Mains' line about W-Y having a queen and it not ending well has me interested to see what Lebbon has to say about the prologue.
    [close]

    I'm quite looking forward to what Lebbon has up his sleeve for the next books.

    I took it as a nod to the events of Aliens Book One, myself. The use of Yautja seems to validate some of the old DH books, so why not make sly references to others? Loved the
    Spoiler
    mention of Harrigan and also the use of a familiar name for one of the Fiennes ships! Also really liked to see a post Alien Resurrection book have technology that showed advancement from the original three movies. Like the Preds being a known entity and like that they could be talked to. Seems entirely reasonable so many years since Keyes's team were shown to know about them.
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    Spoiler
    I wondered, how the heck did Predators know Harrigan had dark skin?  :laugh:

    I also liked everything you listed. This is my favourite book I've read so far out of anything. I too loved the advancement and world building.

    I also loved that Yautja advanced as well. They never showed much progress for thousands of years (as we see in AvP), but that's because they're the best at what they do!

    But steal their cloaking and become equal?

    Oh no you don't! They improve their tech and come back with something better within a week or so.  ;D

    I also liked how Hashori designed her own cloaking device on the ship. And how Yautja in general are very competent and independent when it comes to making technology and build their own ships personally or so the humans speculate. They're structured and treated so differently from us and I loved it!
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  4. robbritton
    Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 08, 2015, 02:34:58 AM
    I finally finished the book, and wow was that an ending! I'll have more thoughts up probably tomorrow, but a few preliminary things that jumped out at me.
    Spoiler
    I like how the conference with the Yautja was handled, and it was pretty cool when Kalakta touched heads with Palant the same way Ahab did with Elden in Omega.

    Mains' line about W-Y having a queen and it not ending well has me interested to see what Lebbon has to say about the prologue.
    [close]

    I'm quite looking forward to what Lebbon has up his sleeve for the next books.

    I took it as a nod to the events of Aliens Book One, myself. The use of Yautja seems to validate some of the old DH books, so why not make sly references to others? Loved the
    Spoiler
    mention of Harrigan and also the use of a familiar name for one of the Fiennes ships! Also really liked to see a post Alien Resurrection book have technology that showed advancement from the original three movies. Like the Preds being a known entity and like that they could be talked to. Seems entirely reasonable so many years since Keyes's team were shown to know about them.
    [close]
  5. The Alien Predator
    Quote from: Ultramorph on Nov 08, 2015, 02:34:58 AM
    I finally finished the book, and wow was that an ending! I'll have more thoughts up probably tomorrow, but a few preliminary things that jumped out at me.
    Spoiler
    I like how the conference with the Yautja was handled, and it was pretty cool when Kalakta touched heads with Palant the same way Ahab did with Elden in Omega.

    Mains' line about W-Y having a queen and it not ending well has me interested to see what Lebbon has to say about the prologue.
    [close]

    I'm quite looking forward to what Lebbon has up his sleeve for the next books.
    Spoiler

    The line about the queen and it not ending well made me assume he was talking about the samples they collected after Sea of Sorrows. Which I think is a separate incident from the prologue samples which may or may not have been collected by the USM or a different company seeing as how Weyland-Yutani may have been in bankruptcy at this period.
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  6. Ultramorph
    I finally finished the book, and wow was that an ending! I'll have more thoughts up probably tomorrow, but a few preliminary things that jumped out at me.
    Spoiler
    I like how the conference with the Yautja was handled, and it was pretty cool when Kalakta touched heads with Palant the same way Ahab did with Elden in Omega.

    Mains' line about W-Y having a queen and it not ending well has me interested to see what Lebbon has to say about the prologue.
    [close]

    I'm quite looking forward to what Lebbon has up his sleeve for the next books.
  7. happypred
    Using hyper-intelligent aliens to guard high-priority assets could also make sense. Their sensory abilities and stealth make them suitable as counter-infiltration weapons

    Predator Concrete Jungle and Aliens Music of the Spears touch upon this idea
  8. The Alien Predator
    Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 06, 2015, 11:26:00 PM
    Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 06, 2015, 08:21:51 PM
    Why not use Aliens for the sake of variety?

    They do the same thing a biological or chemical agent would, exterminate the populace.

    Much less efficient. You'd have to transport a huge number to overwhelm most prepared defences. A single Alien is larger than a man. Warheads are much smaller - and can be transported a lot quicker.

    Might as well ask yourself why a company doesn't do the same thing, right now, with cloned tigers. Can you imagine all the logistical problems involved? :)

    QuoteAnd a Neutron bomb will destroy the city, what if you're too lazy to rebuild? It's a lot simpler to clean up a room than having to rebuild the entire building (after clearing up the rubble as well.)

    Neutron bombs can be very low-yield. The whole point of them, back in the Cold War, was to do exactly this: Release a huge burst of radiation in a city, kill everyone and leave the infrastructure intact to take over. The radiation disperses surprisingly quickly.

    Different to thermonuclear war, which would literally vaporise everything.

    QuoteAnd bio-weapons can contaminate an area, look at what happened to the Engineers themselves in their own facility. And in a deleted scene in Prometheus, Captain Janek tells Vickers about a bio-weapon breakout somewhere on Earth, it was in a desert because just like the Engineers, we weren't stupid enough to build it in a populated area, and yet the whole facility got contaminated due to a leak and had to be destroyed along with everyone in it.

    It's a lot safer and cleaner to just use an army of acid bleeding scary looking Aliens completely under your thrall rather than a potentially mutative virus that could harbour unpredictable results if you plan on settling the area afterwards.

    Biological agents, sure - now. By the time the films are happening, it stands to reason that technology would allow them to be modified to only target certain people or burn out after a designated time. That's stuff which has been worked on since at least the nineties, if not earlier.

    But even there, you still have neutron bombs - or chemical warfare. In fact, 'Aliens' show that the Colonial Marines seem to take along not just nuclear weapons, but canisters of nerve gas - just for regular scouting missions. There don't seem to be any political problems with authorising them for use.

    QuoteAnd like mentioned before, the psychological aspect. Promising your enemy a quick death isn't as scary as promising to send an army of crawling darkness with your name plastered on its head straight to their doorstep.

    When it's at the cost of efficiency, what's the point when you already have weapons which achieve the same result much easier? If you're wiping out entire populations, anyone you're terrorising isn't going to live to tell about it.

    QuoteBut in the end, I would agree that Aliens aren't the perfect and ultimate weapon like some characters in the EU make it out to be. But damn are they effective when unleashed as a surprise attack.

    I guess we'd have to wait for "Alien: Invasion" to find out just how it goes.

    Yeah, as I say, I'll withhold my judgement until I read it, but if it's literally a case of just being able to control Aliens, it's no better than General Spears' plan. At least his idea was to use them against other Aliens, though. To reclaim Earth from the Alien by using them against one another. There's a sort of logic there.

    But using them against humans and Predators? Ehhh... We're two species which have access to really powerful ranged weapons and Aliens can't realistically compete against that. Not if it's open, galactic-wide warfare.

    Using an Alien as an assassin, on the other hand... Now, that's something they'd be very good at. A small number of them locating a specific target, evading defences and killing him/her/it. That's what they excel at in urban environments. Very different to using them as an army of doom.

    I could also see their brains and sensory abilities possibly being removed/cloned/farmed and placed in some kind of synthetic contraption, to augment robotic abilities (like a kind of ED-209 with a few Alien components inside).

    Aliens can't really be compared to tigers, both will easily kill a human, but one does far more damage than the other. Do you see tigers killing a large amount of Colonial Marines? Tigers don't bleed molecular acid either and tigers feel more fear than your average Alien who will gladly die for the Queen.

    Don't forget that single aliens can easily sneak into prepared defences such as Number Six or any other Alien you play as in the games and cause a huge amount of casualties. They even know how to cut the power. Plus scaling walls really helps when going through air ducts and stuff, something tigers can't do.  :)

    As for your neutron bomb point, fair enough.

    Speaking of bio weapons and chemical warfare, the Rage have a far deadlier weapon than all of this stuff combined.

    Spoiler
    They can turn your neurons into nanobots that makes you a fanatical loyalist to their cause simply by broadcasting a message across space and time spanning the entire Human Sphere...

    Kinda makes you wonder, why do they even bother with the Xenomorphs? Just send some fanatical bullshit and have the people in charge commit mass suicide or something.

    It was able to turn completely innocent people into fanatical saboteurs.
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    The psychological impact could be something that would deter people from standing against you, or you just want them to be scared shitless as you unleash the Aliens in a twisted sense of cruelty rather than have them go tell others. The Rage are a faction that seems to hate the rest of humanity, so it doesn't seem surprising that they want them to die with terror being the last thing on their minds.

    I do agree that Aliens can't really compare against humans and Predators. When you think about it, it's very likely that we'll both prevail against the Aliens by the end of the third book. You just know it'll happen lol. But there'll be lots of casualties for sure. I think what makes Aliens deadly is when you're unprepared, and Predators weren't exactly prepared, but in this book, we find out at the end so we at least know they're coming...

    Or do we?

    Spoiler
    It's left up to us to decide if the message in the last chapter was broadcasted before the Aliens arrived.
    [close]

    The Alien assassin idea sounds brilliant.
  9. Xenomorphine
    Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 06, 2015, 08:21:51 PM
    Why not use Aliens for the sake of variety?

    They do the same thing a biological or chemical agent would, exterminate the populace.

    Much less efficient. You'd have to transport a huge number to overwhelm most prepared defences. A single Alien is larger than a man. Warheads are much smaller - and can be transported a lot quicker.

    Might as well ask yourself why a company doesn't do the same thing, right now, with cloned tigers. Can you imagine all the logistical problems involved? :)

    QuoteAnd a Neutron bomb will destroy the city, what if you're too lazy to rebuild? It's a lot simpler to clean up a room than having to rebuild the entire building (after clearing up the rubble as well.)

    Neutron bombs can be very low-yield. The whole point of them, back in the Cold War, was to do exactly this: Release a huge burst of radiation in a city, kill everyone and leave the infrastructure intact to take over. The radiation disperses surprisingly quickly.

    Different to thermonuclear war, which would literally vaporise everything.

    QuoteAnd bio-weapons can contaminate an area, look at what happened to the Engineers themselves in their own facility. And in a deleted scene in Prometheus, Captain Janek tells Vickers about a bio-weapon breakout somewhere on Earth, it was in a desert because just like the Engineers, we weren't stupid enough to build it in a populated area, and yet the whole facility got contaminated due to a leak and had to be destroyed along with everyone in it.

    It's a lot safer and cleaner to just use an army of acid bleeding scary looking Aliens completely under your thrall rather than a potentially mutative virus that could harbour unpredictable results if you plan on settling the area afterwards.

    Biological agents, sure - now. By the time the films are happening, it stands to reason that technology would allow them to be modified to only target certain people or burn out after a designated time. That's stuff which has been worked on since at least the nineties, if not earlier.

    But even there, you still have neutron bombs - or chemical warfare. In fact, 'Aliens' show that the Colonial Marines seem to take along not just nuclear weapons, but canisters of nerve gas - just for regular scouting missions. There don't seem to be any political problems with authorising them for use.

    QuoteAnd like mentioned before, the psychological aspect. Promising your enemy a quick death isn't as scary as promising to send an army of crawling darkness with your name plastered on its head straight to their doorstep.

    When it's at the cost of efficiency, what's the point when you already have weapons which achieve the same result much easier? If you're wiping out entire populations, anyone you're terrorising isn't going to live to tell about it.

    QuoteBut in the end, I would agree that Aliens aren't the perfect and ultimate weapon like some characters in the EU make it out to be. But damn are they effective when unleashed as a surprise attack.

    I guess we'd have to wait for "Alien: Invasion" to find out just how it goes.

    Yeah, as I say, I'll withhold my judgement until I read it, but if it's literally a case of just being able to control Aliens, it's no better than General Spears' plan. At least his idea was to use them against other Aliens, though. To reclaim Earth from the Alien by using them against one another. There's a sort of logic there.

    But using them against humans and Predators? Ehhh... We're two species which have access to really powerful ranged weapons and Aliens can't realistically compete against that. Not if it's open, galactic-wide warfare.

    Using an Alien as an assassin, on the other hand... Now, that's something they'd be very good at. A small number of them locating a specific target, evading defences and killing him/her/it. That's what they excel at in urban environments. Very different to using them as an army of doom.

    I could also see their brains and sensory abilities possibly being removed/cloned/farmed and placed in some kind of synthetic contraption, to augment robotic abilities (like a kind of ED-209 with a few Alien components inside).
  10. The Alien Predator
    Why not use Aliens for the sake of variety?

    They do the same thing a biological or chemical agent would, exterminate the populace.

    And a Neutron bomb will destroy the city, what if you're too lazy to rebuild? It's a lot simpler to clean up a room than having to rebuild the entire building (after clearing up the rubble as well.)

    And bio-weapons can contaminate an area, look at what happened to the Engineers themselves in their own facility. And in a deleted scene in Prometheus, Captain Janek tells Vickers about a bio-weapon breakout somewhere on Earth, it was in a desert because just like the Engineers, we weren't stupid enough to build it in a populated area, and yet the whole facility got contaminated due to a leak and had to be destroyed along with everyone in it.

    It's a lot safer and cleaner to just use an army of acid bleeding scary looking Aliens completely under your thrall rather than a potentially mutative virus that could harbour unpredictable results if you plan on settling the area afterwards.

    And like mentioned before, the psychological aspect. Promising your enemy a quick death isn't as scary as promising to send an army of crawling darkness with your name plastered on its head straight to their doorstep.

    But in the end, I would agree that Aliens aren't the perfect and ultimate weapon like some characters in the EU make it out to be. But damn are they effective when unleashed as a surprise attack.

    I guess we'd have to wait for "Alien: Invasion" to find out just how it goes.
  11. Xenomorphine
    Quote from: HuDaFuK on Nov 06, 2015, 08:42:56 AM
    Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 06, 2015, 12:34:56 AMThat's what neutron bombs are for. :) Kill all organic life, wait a couple of weeks for radiation to disperse, them walk in and calmly take over.

    Peeps could still hide in bunkers though. Aliens would get in there and paint the walls.

    Neutron bombs, genetically-engineered biological agents, chemical warfare... Any of those are perfectly legitimate choices. Especially if you smuggle it into the target area and activate it - no warning. Especially bio-warfare, which might not have any odour or colour and an incubation length of your choice. Invisible, silent death (or any other symptom of your choice, including paralysis).
  12. happypred
    Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 05, 2015, 08:27:03 AM
    Re: Aliens -

    Spoiler
    I interpreted it (and it wasn't openly explained and it was sort of left hanging for the sequels) that the Aliens were being controlled as a result of some sort of biotech that the Rage had been able to implement into their synthetics characters. I think it was more the complete and utter control of them that made them more threatening.

    The Aliens weren't really seen in open conditions, mostly close quarters making that self destruct (as in they proper go pop) a bit more deadly. And it was generally quite fast too. Drop in, overwhelm, move on. Worked quite well.
    [close]

    Re: Predator self-destruct -

    Spoiler
    As in the Predators don't get a chance to activate it. It's only ever shown activated via that panel and slicing it in half worked well enough in Predator 2 that City Hunter had to high-tail it back to the ship. No reason the same wouldn't work here.
    [close]



    Thanks...I mean wouldn't killing a predator be even more effective than tearing off his arm re his ability to activate self-destruct

    Also...is it established whether the aliens are intelligent or just controlled by an intelligent master?
  13. HuDaFuK
    Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 05, 2015, 04:05:48 PMGedimen or Wren (can't remember who) said it best - urban pacification. If you can actually control the Aliens, they'd be the perfect way to go in and not actually destroy (for the most part, blood doesn't help that) the infrastructure. It's not ideal...but it's better than just nuking something

    One of the most interesting things in that film - and one that often gets overlooked in favour of the slightly daft "we want supersoldiers" spiel - is when Wren points out what they're really after are all the new alloys, vaccines etc. they can derive from the Aliens' biology. That sort of thing makes far more sense than just painting numbers on their foreheads and sending them into battle. Plus, it opens up some potentially really interesting avenues.

    Sadly, in the film, the concept's relegated to an off-hand comment that's never followed up on and a lot of people seem to miss.
  14. The Alien Predator
    Quote from: Corporal Hicks on Nov 05, 2015, 04:05:48 PM
    Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 05, 2015, 01:36:00 PM
    Spoiler
    If they're being deployed to kill everything in the immediate area, army ant-style, I still say a simple missile with a warhead would get the job done a lot quicker and more efficiently. The only reason I can imagine Aliens being used for such a purpose is the terror factor - but that's a steep price to pay when other weapons would be much more effective.

    Prediction: Whatever group is controlling the Aliens will find themselves overwhelmed in the same way ye olde General Spears did, complete with a cry of, "They were just using us, all alooooong!" :)
    [close]

    Gedimen or Wren (can't remember who) said it best - urban pacification. If you can actually control the Aliens, they'd be the perfect way to go in and not actually destroy (for the most part, blood doesn't help that) the infrastructure. It's not ideal...but it's better than just nuking something

    Spoiler
    Personally I don't think it'll be as simple as them turning. It'll be down to the biotech they come across that lets them control the Aliens being reversed or used against them
    [close]

    That makes sense, it saves you the whole rebuilding afterwards, just clean up the mess. XD

    Also, Xenomorphs would be a great psychological weapon as well, used to incite fear and prevent riots and such. That is implying that society eventually doesn't get too used to them and thus fear them less. I mean, nukes are scary, but we've had them for so long that it's not much of a fear factor until the event that someone detonates one, that's when panicking starts all over again.

    It'd be scary to see terrorists get their hands on Xenos... oh wait...  ;D

    Speaking of terrorists, wasn't there a group mentioned in the book? Called Red something? By 2692, they're not that big of a threat, but they were said to be very anti corporate. Lebbon did a lot of world building here.
  15. Corporal Hicks
    Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 05, 2015, 01:36:00 PM
    Spoiler
    If they're being deployed to kill everything in the immediate area, army ant-style, I still say a simple missile with a warhead would get the job done a lot quicker and more efficiently. The only reason I can imagine Aliens being used for such a purpose is the terror factor - but that's a steep price to pay when other weapons would be much more effective.

    Prediction: Whatever group is controlling the Aliens will find themselves overwhelmed in the same way ye olde General Spears did, complete with a cry of, "They were just using us, all alooooong!" :)
    [close]

    Gedimen or Wren (can't remember who) said it best - urban pacification. If you can actually control the Aliens, they'd be the perfect way to go in and not actually destroy (for the most part, blood doesn't help that) the infrastructure. It's not ideal...but it's better than just nuking something

    Spoiler
    Personally I don't think it'll be as simple as them turning. It'll be down to the biotech they come across that lets them control the Aliens being reversed or used against them
    [close]
  16. The Alien Predator
    Spoiler
    Also Predator weaponry was dulled by the acid blood. Either these Yautja used the cheap trainee Walmart Predator equipment of the AvP movie, or the Xenomorphs had a modified acid blood that bypassed whatever acid proofing the Predators use for their Alien hunting gear.

    Not all Predator equipment seemed to be affected, just at leas one's wristblade was said to be dulled, or I think it was his spear, I'm not too sure. Some other Predators were doing fine and one managed to slaughter an entire horde of Aliens before going down with valour. His corpse was mangled by all the acid blood he was exposed to, but he did manage to nab the Synthetic general before dying.
    [close]
  17. Xenomorphine
    Spoiler
    Hmm... Shall have to reserve judgement until/if I read it, but what's being described doesn't sound terribly different to what ordinary Aliens should mostly be capable of.

    If they're being deployed to kill everything in the immediate area, army ant-style, I still say a simple missile with a warhead would get the job done a lot quicker and more efficiently. The only reason I can imagine Aliens being used for such a purpose is the terror factor - but that's a steep price to pay when other weapons would be much more effective.

    Prediction: Whatever group is controlling the Aliens will find themselves overwhelmed in the same way ye olde General Spears did, complete with a cry of, "They were just using us, all alooooong!" :)
    [close]
  18. The Alien Predator
    Yeah, Hicks explained it better.

    Spoiler
    I remember when Hashori was about to kill an alien, Lilliya tried to warn her not to but she blasted it with her plasma caster, and just when you think it's all well, the alien suddenly pops and coats acid everywhere. Hashori wasn't badly wounded, I assume she was far enough, but some acid splashed on Lilliya.

    As for the Colonial Marines, they were literally overwhelmed and despite their uber advanced combat suits and weapons, one marine got his entire arm completely ripped off by an Alien and another marine got entirely covered in acid from an exploding alien he just killed, his combat suit changed on the molecular level to quickly shed the acid and harden to what blood remained so the marine was protected, however his suit power went down fast as it got drained by the task. It's only a limited protection, and many marines in veteran homes still have horrific scars from Alien blood burns.

    The Marine that got his arm ripped off, the suit covered the wound almost like it were a Crysis Nanosuit or a Symbiote from the Marvel comics, then it absorbed the blood loss and injected it back into the injured marine while almost over-dosing him on "Phrail" which is a supreme painkilling drug. Towards the end, the same marine ripped off what remained of his arm as it was dangling all over the place and got in his way, the suit has shown to give a human the sufficient strength to be able to do such a feat.

    The Marine still died eventually, not from Aliens, but because he eventually succumbs to the shock of the loss of his limb and the suit ran dangerously low on power and the drugs it was blasting into his system.
    [close]
  19. Corporal Hicks
    Re: Aliens -

    Spoiler
    I interpreted it (and it wasn't openly explained and it was sort of left hanging for the sequels) that the Aliens were being controlled as a result of some sort of biotech that the Rage had been able to implement into their synthetics characters. I think it was more the complete and utter control of them that made them more threatening.

    The Aliens weren't really seen in open conditions, mostly close quarters making that self destruct (as in they proper go pop) a bit more deadly. And it was generally quite fast too. Drop in, overwhelm, move on. Worked quite well.
    [close]

    Re: Predator self-destruct -

    Spoiler
    As in the Predators don't get a chance to activate it. It's only ever shown activated via that panel and slicing it in half worked well enough in Predator 2 that City Hunter had to high-tail it back to the ship. No reason the same wouldn't work here.
    [close]

    As for questions - I've already got the obvious ones down about the Yautja and etc but some other good ones in there. Might actually send off today now.


    And the questions have been sent.

    I've also finished my review. Just needs some polishing and then I'll put them both up at the same time.
  20. happypred
    Right...what makes these weaponised aliens better than "normal" aliens apart from
    Spoiler
    heightened intelligence and more explosive acid blood?
    [close]

    Is that it? And why would tearing off a predator's arm
    Spoiler
    prevent a wrist bomb from detonating...do the aliens somehow disable the actual device?
    [close]

  21. The Alien Predator
    Quote from: Xenomorphine on Nov 04, 2015, 11:38:41 PM
    Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Oct 30, 2015, 07:54:42 PM
    Spoiler
    I feel the Rage are a huge threat, their androids seem quite menacing and the weaponized Aliens made me look at Aliens as a whole in a new light. I knew Aliens are dangerous, but they seemed like a poor choice of a weapon until now... I'm glad this novel proved me wrong and showed the true potential of them.
    [close]

    Spoiler
    What do weaponised Aliens do which changed your mind? All the other portrayals just seemed to amount to strapping some token guns on them and performing some limited co-ordination. I'm curious as to how an Alien could be harnessed for combat in a way which, say, robots couldn't.
    [close]


    Spoiler
    These Aliens seem to not only be controlled, but are genetically modified and display a remarkable amount of intelligence such as knowing to tear off a wounded Predator's left arm to prevent it from blowing itself up.

    Also, if you kill the weaponized Alien, it will self destruct and coat you in acid blood.

    The Predator habitat was overrun by them and you see just the kind of damage they did and how it affected the surviving Predators by almost traumatizing them, and one cannot simply traumatize a hostile alien obsessed with hunting dangerous things.

    A Predator was so filled with hatred at the devastation that she attacked innocent humans while her companion tried to convince her to stay calm and leave the humans alone while they try to think of what to do next as they land on a devastated human colony which was attacked by terrorists who were nanobotically controlled by the Rage via radio signals sent through subspace that concert neurons into nanobots.

    The Yautja said they lost many ships, space habitats and even one entire planet to the Aliens that the Rage have unleashed upon them.
    [close]
  22. Xenomorphine
    Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Oct 30, 2015, 07:54:42 PM
    Spoiler
    I feel the Rage are a huge threat, their androids seem quite menacing and the weaponized Aliens made me look at Aliens as a whole in a new light. I knew Aliens are dangerous, but they seemed like a poor choice of a weapon until now... I'm glad this novel proved me wrong and showed the true potential of them.
    [close]

    Spoiler
    What do weaponised Aliens do which changed your mind? All the other portrayals just seemed to amount to strapping some token guns on them and performing some limited co-ordination. I'm curious as to how an Alien could be harnessed for combat in a way which, say, robots couldn't.
    [close]
  23. Perfect-Organism
    Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 04, 2015, 09:07:46 PM
    Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 04, 2015, 08:56:36 PM
    Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 04, 2015, 08:42:21 PM
    Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 04, 2015, 08:17:27 PM
    Man, I wish we had more time for this.  I am just reading the book now and it'll take a few days...  Anyway, excited to hear about the interview happening.  AVPGalaxy does great things for the fans with these interviews.  Really enjoying the world-building.

    It took me two days to finish it, I literally no lifed it. I was that excited.  ;D

    It is a fast, fun read.  Tim Lebbon writes well for action sci-fi.  I just barely have time to sleep these days though...  So far so good..

    I agree.

    Also with the older trilogy, Out of the Shadows for me felt like the best written. I really like Tim Lebbon's stories and he makes some good characters. Sea of Sorrows also had great characters and I loved the setting as it's set in the far future as well. But story wise, it's definitely Out of the Shadows (I also no-lifed that one as well. The other two books took me a while to finish though), In the end, all three books were well written.

    I look forward to deciding which of this new trilogy will be my favourite story.

    Did you read the other trilogy?

    Yes, I read the other trilogy.  I was literally the first of us here to read River of Pain as it got to me by mail several weeks before it was published somehow.  That's how I got this thread started because I found out about Rage War in an ad at the end of RoP.

    What can I say?  I really enjoyed the writing of Tim Lebbon's book Out of the Shadows, though the premise drove me bananas.  That was probably not his idea though.  He wrote that book as well as he could.  Sea of Sorrows was the weakest of the lot for me as well.  It literally sat on my night stand for months before I forced myself to read it in anticipation of River of Pain.  All the characters were two-dimensional somehow.  River of Pain was my favorite of the lot but that is probably because it covered my favorite period of the Alien universe.  From a writing perspective though, Tim Lebbon's book really took the cake.
  24. The Alien Predator
    Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 04, 2015, 08:56:36 PM
    Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 04, 2015, 08:42:21 PM
    Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 04, 2015, 08:17:27 PM
    Man, I wish we had more time for this.  I am just reading the book now and it'll take a few days...  Anyway, excited to hear about the interview happening.  AVPGalaxy does great things for the fans with these interviews.  Really enjoying the world-building.

    It took me two days to finish it, I literally no lifed it. I was that excited.  ;D

    It is a fast, fun read.  Tim Lebbon writes well for action sci-fi.  I just barely have time to sleep these days though...  So far so good..

    I agree.

    Also with the older trilogy, Out of the Shadows for me felt like the best written. I really like Tim Lebbon's stories and he makes some good characters. Sea of Sorrows also had great characters and I loved the setting as it's set in the far future as well. But story wise, it's definitely Out of the Shadows (I also no-lifed that one as well. The other two books took me a while to finish though), In the end, all three books were well written.

    I look forward to deciding which of this new trilogy will be my favourite story.

    Did you read the other trilogy?
  25. Perfect-Organism
    Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 04, 2015, 08:42:21 PM
    Quote from: Perfect-Organism on Nov 04, 2015, 08:17:27 PM
    Man, I wish we had more time for this.  I am just reading the book now and it'll take a few days...  Anyway, excited to hear about the interview happening.  AVPGalaxy does great things for the fans with these interviews.  Really enjoying the world-building.

    It took me two days to finish it, I literally no lifed it. I was that excited.  ;D

    It is a fast, fun read.  Tim Lebbon writes well for action sci-fi.  I just barely have time to sleep these days though...  So far so good..
  26. Perfect-Organism
    Man, I wish we had more time for this.  I am just reading the book now and it'll take a few days...  Anyway, excited to hear about the interview happening.  AVPGalaxy does great things for the fans with these interviews.  Really enjoying the world-building.
  27. Ultramorph
    A few questions, even if I haven't finished just quite yet.

    1. What was your inspiration for The Rage?
    2. What was the most fun aspect of all the world-building you do in the novel?
    3. Is the research that Liliya steals in the prologue the result of W-Y capturing the xenos in Sea of Sorrows, or is it another team altogether?
  28. RakaiThwei
    Quote from: Guan Thwei 1992 on Nov 04, 2015, 05:42:53 PM
    I'm curious about the Hish-qu-Ten bit, did Fox kinda quietly decide to forget about them and focus on Yautja? (this is a question for us as I'm wondering what you lot think.)

    I would think that Fox outright had dropped the Hish as being indisputably being non-canon. The concept was REALLY unpopular, at least with Yautja fans anyway... Then Fox told Dark Horse and other licensees to stick with the Yautja idea.

    But then... there is Mortal Kombat X... which... is an unusual case which uses both Yautja and Hish terms, although these are meant for movesets and variations. Yautja Strike and Yautja Slam are used in the Warrior variation, where as Hish-qu'ten is it's own variation.

    But if the Hish do come back, I think they should be applied to the Super Predators... or Rodrigators as I'm going to call them.
  29. RakaiThwei
    1) You used the Yautja term to described the Predators in this novel but they appear to be a different culture and interpretation from the Perry's original concept. Since you mentioned that you didn't look at the original EU material, was this mandated by Fox?

    2) Were you aware that there were two different interpretations of the Predators such as the Yautja, which the Perry's introduced, and John Shirley's Hish'que-ten versions of the Predators?

    3) The Robert Rodriguez PREDATORS movie introduced a cousin race to the Predators we know and love. If we will be seeing these creatures, will you be giving them a different species name that isn't Yautja and different culture as well?

    4) This one is kind of important to me.. In a passing quote or narration in your book, you had off-handed mentioned a multiverse when it was mentioned that the Founders were experimenting with quantum physics and "balancing the multiverse". Is this a hint that there is a multiverse (alternate universes philosophy/many-worlds interpretation) or is this a reference more to dimensional spatial layering?
  30. The Alien Predator
    Will Tim be featuring other aliens such as the Arcturians? The book mentions humans meeting some friendly aliens, will they offer help to them and the Yautja? If so, I wonder how they'd react to the Yautja if they've been hunted by them. This could create some interesting moral choices of "should we help them or not?"

    Also, why do humans call them Yautja if the Predators don't call themselves this? I am curious as to how they got to calling them this. I can understand in the old EU as Machiko called them "Yautja" when the Colonial Marines consulted with her and this was what the Predators called themselves in the older stuff.

    That's all I could think of at the moment.
  31. HuDaFuK
    You guys will have to think up some good ones because I still haven't got around to getting this, and doubt I will any time soon as I just have a backlog of too many books to read!

    That said, I'd be interested to hear more about the alterations he had to make, although I understand (and expect) he won't be able to say much lest he give away details about the proposed film.
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