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  1. OpenMaw
    The skin thing is easy.

    As Ash states, they shed their skin and replace it with "polarized silicon" and it's implied within that very dialogue that it's a response to being in our environment. Though that was just him theorising. It could just as easily be that Aliens harden and develop their more mechanical traits as they grow. As Giger's thought processes went on the design having it almost be like a "suit of armor."
  2. SM
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    Remember that Vasquez killed an alien at point blank with a pistol though.

    12 shots, about half right in the side of the head.  And it was still thrashing about.  And it crippled her.

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    I've always thought that the alien, being a bio-mechanical thing, would have a higher concentration of metals in it's composition.

    The skin they shed doesn't appear especially metallic.

    Sometimes bullets bounce off, sometimes they don't.  Too many variables like the type of ammo, range, and where you hit it.
  3. PsyKore
    I'm just hoping the Alien at least reacts to getting shot, even if it's just a little screechy cry noise, like the Alien's version of "Oi watch it, you f**ka!" :P If he doesn't react, just walks through it, it will break the immersion.
  4. PRI. HUDSON

    Revolvers don't fire .45, They fire .22, .357, .38, .44 (and I think .50). There are also revolvers now that can fire 8 rounds at .44 if I am correct.

    Sure - http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_786049_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

    and ever agile Xeno?

    Tbh I never saw the xeno in A:I to be that agile. It moves kinda fast as the xenos in AvP2010 SP. Its nowhere near fast as the xenos in AvP 1 or 2.

    Whoops. Thought revolvers didn't fire .45.
  5. Bio Mech Hunter
    This alien is a meter taller than Giger's Alien...
    I have to interject here. CA increased the Alien's height by 1 to 1.5 feet. Not meter.

    Which was an unnecessary decision, IMO. 8 feet tall is plenty big. I'm 6'6" and that towers over me.
    It's good that they additionally made it taller rather than purposefully minimized it to a puppy dog size in order to shoehorn that QTE struggle in Colonial Marines. Besides, I don't think it violates canon in any way. It is logically possible for Aliens to exhibit different length.
    It sure beats the mindless, human-sized weaklings they've been portrayed as in video games. :D
  6. Salt The Fries
    This alien is a meter taller than Giger's Alien...
    I have to interject here. CA increased the Alien's height by 1 to 1.5 feet. Not meter.

    Which was an unnecessary decision, IMO. 8 feet tall is plenty big. I'm 6'6" and that towers over me.
    It's good that they additionally made it taller rather than purposefully minimized it to a puppy dog size in order to shoehorn that QTE struggle in Colonial Marines. Besides, I don't think it violates canon in any way. It is logically possible for Aliens to exhibit different length.

  7. UDA
    Remember that Vasquez killed an alien at point blank with a pistol though.

    But against that point of the alien being immortal, they are on a space station, I'm sure whatever security firearms they were using were designed to penetrate soft targets, and not anything hardened (such as a ship hull). I've always thought that the alien, being a bio-mechanical thing, would have a higher concentration of metals in it's composition. Even humans requires basic things such as iron in our diet. This is my weak theory... The aliens grow at a very quick rate, but they would prefer to keep victims alive for hosts instead of outright killing them, so they have to get their nutrition somewhere. Nothing grows without taking in something first. So I've always thought that xenomorphs take in part of their environment, and maybe that's an explanation for the acid blood, to break down those metals. So if an alien is on a ship, where there's alot of iron or aluminum or steel, they break down small pieces of metal to feed on (the bio part of their bio-mechanical process directs this). So if I'm even vaguely guessing right, these aliens would have tougher carapaces, which means they're not soft targets, which might mean that a weapon designed to not penetrate the hull of a space station would have a difficult time breaking through their skin. Where as something meant for military grade, such as light armor piercing rounds that were used in Aliens, would make short work of them.

    Maybe that's why the pistol won't kill this Alien in this game.

    Everyone's going to prove me wrong in 3...  2...  1...
  8. WinterActual

    Revolvers don't fire .45, They fire .22, .357, .38, .44 (and I think .50). There are also revolvers now that can fire 8 rounds at .44 if I am correct.

    Sure - http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_786049_-1_757767_757751_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

    and ever agile Xeno?

    Tbh I never saw the xeno in A:I to be that agile. It moves kinda fast as the xenos in AvP2010 SP. Its nowhere near fast as the xenos in AvP 1 or 2.
  9. PRI. HUDSON
    do you think this is the ORIGINAL Alien from the movie? The premise says that the blackbox from Nostromo got to Sevastopol, so I'm thinking it might have drifted along with the Alien who was shown to withstand the vacuum, right?

    I'm half expecting that myself.

    Omg...this may be a spoiler. Because how ELSE did an alien get there? Genius thinking.

    Ok then, I will accept that the xenos are immortal creatures that cannot be harmed unless you have a pulse rifle or smartgun or fire a shotgun in their mouth.... https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.themesshall.net%2Fforum%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Flolwutem6.gif&hash=03acd5c849ab2fb1fb865c831eabe01808d092dc Basically thats your logic.

    and has a really small clip size, like 3 or 6 bullets (well, technically it's a revolver by the name, so it should hold 6).

    Which means it have big rounds. There are .22 revolvers with drum capable of holding 9 or 12 bullets but if the revolver is using .45 it will probably have just 6 holes. So having 3 or 6 bullets tops, means that revolver packs a punch.

    But its not a big deal. I just don't believe that the xenos can not be killed. If its not breaking certain parts of the game making it impossible to beat, somebody will make a mod that enables the killing of the xeno  :laugh:

    Revolvers don't fire .45, They fire .22, .357, .38, .44 (and I think .50). There are also revolvers now that can fire 8 rounds at .44 if I am correct.
  10. Corporal Hicks
    It's just how eager they are to tie it into Alien that makes me think that. With them finding the black box, I can see them reasoning that the Alien would be nearby and they find it. Just my own thoughts.
  11. Xenoscream
    That seems to be the big mystery though - where the Alien is from. I still think it'll be the original one - even with the design changes. It's not like design changes were ever addressed (other than A3). Don't get me wrong, there's reasons as to why the design is different in some films but aside from A3, it was never addressed on film. Bit of retcon FTW.

    Whats you reason for thinking it's Kane's son? Just curious.

    I think I read somewhere the flight recorder was an electronic transmission and not physical... don't remember where though..
  12. Predatorium
    I agree with Predatorium. Even if it could survive in a vacuum for that long it's statistically improbable to ever encounter anything for millenia. It will eventually fall into a star perhaps after a few centuries.

    It would be outright silly for CA to try and shoe-horn-in the original alien when they still have a whole shipload full of eggs to get a new Xeno from.

    If they found the Nostromo's flight recorder then they will most likely have the co-ordinates where it last set down. I'm sure Seegson would be curious to see what a converted WY M-class starcruiser was doing out in the sticks.

    Exactly!
  13. The Eighth Passenger
    I agree with Predatorium. Even if it could survive in a vacuum for that long it's statistically improbable to ever encounter anything for millenia. It will eventually fall into a star perhaps after a few centuries.

    It would be outright silly for CA to try and shoe-horn-in the original alien when they still have a whole shipload full of eggs to get a new Xeno from.

    If they found the Nostromo's flight recorder then they will most likely have the co-ordinates where it last set down. I'm sure Seegson would be curious to see what a converted WY M-class starcruiser was doing out in the sticks.
  14. Predatorium
    I'm surprised by how many of you that think this is the same alien that's in the first movie? That's just silly and totally unbelievable. The odds of the alien drifting around in space for 15 years and managing to drift right into the path of humans in space where there is like an infinite amount of directions to go...Comooon.
  15. Corporal Hicks
    That seems to be the big mystery though - where the Alien is from. I still think it'll be the original one - even with the design changes. It's not like design changes were ever addressed (other than A3). Don't get me wrong, there's reasons as to why the design is different in some films but aside from A3, it was never addressed on film. Bit of retcon FTW.

    As for it having God-mode, I really don't think they're saying it couldn't be killed at all. Just what the Nostromo crew (and you here) have available isn't enough. We never saw the flamethrower used against one of them so we don't really know how it'd effect them and the only time we see pistols do damage is close range (or explosive rounds from the looks of it in AR).

  16. Sadogoat
    It will certainly be interesting to learn just where the beast came from.  :)

    As long as it's not some ridiculously contrived plot point like Hicks' bizarre survival in A:CM.

    My first thoughts when I heard of Alien: Isolation's storyline was "Why the hell do they have tie it to the films by adding Ripley's daughter?". If they'd left Amanda out of the picture and created an entirely new protagonist, they could pretty much come up with any explanation as to why another Alien has come into contact with humankind. Maybe picked it up on a derelict freighter while on a deep-space salvage, for example.
  17. OpenMaw
    Yes, that was the intention, but why is this convo still going? It's clear from the materials hitherto shown that neither this rudimentary revolver nor flamethrower (which by the way lasts like 3 blasts till it's completely empty) could EVER kill the creature.

    I have no issue with them not harming the Alien, or at the very least only discouraging it for awhile. I had the same idea of a flamethrower that just stunned the alien in A:ITV. My issue is more with those who keep saying, as if it were a fact, that the alien had God mode in Ridley's film. O'Bannon wouldn't have festered over finding a means to keep it alive if he intended for it to be unstoppable.


    do you think this is the ORIGINAL Alien from the movie? The premise says that the blackbox from Nostromo got to Sevastopol, so I'm thinking it might have drifted along with the Alien who was shown to withstand the vacuum, right?

    I actually asked if we had heard anything on this very point. I'm assuming we'll figure that point out by some means within the game itself. It would be a bit silly not to tell us.

    It will certainly be interesting to learn just where the beast came from.  :)
  18. Salt The Fries
    Ok then, I will accept that the xenos are immortal creatures that cannot be harmed unless you have a pulse rifle or smartgun or fire a shotgun in their mouth.... https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.themesshall.net%2Fforum%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Flolwutem6.gif&hash=03acd5c849ab2fb1fb865c831eabe01808d092dc Basically thats your logic.

    and has a really small clip size, like 3 or 6 bullets (well, technically it's a revolver by the name, so it should hold 6).

    Which means it have big rounds. There are .22 revolvers with drum capable of holding 9 or 12 bullets but if the revolver is using .45 it will probably have just 6 holes. So having 3 or 6 bullets tops, means that revolver packs a punch.

    But its not a big deal. I just don't believe that the xenos can not be killed. If its not breaking certain parts of the game making it impossible to beat, somebody will make a mod that enables the killing of the xeno  :laugh:
    The revolver isn't even capable of killing an android, plus do you think a clunky chunky revolver aimed by a person who is not a soldier would stand a chance against relentless and ever agile Xeno?

    But its not a big deal. I just don't believe that the xenos can not be killed. If its not breaking certain parts of the game making it impossible to beat, somebody will make a mod that enables the killing of the xeno  :laugh:
    Lol, it'd be as easy as:

    https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstream1.gifsoup.com%2Fview2%2F1549748%2Findiana-jones-shoots-swordsman-o.gif&hash=197b11dbf56094a84087600ed968f759f1ea480a
  19. WinterActual
    Ok then, I will accept that the xenos are immortal creatures that cannot be harmed unless you have a pulse rifle or smartgun or fire a shotgun in their mouth.... https://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.themesshall.net%2Fforum%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Flolwutem6.gif&hash=03acd5c849ab2fb1fb865c831eabe01808d092dc Basically thats your logic.

    and has a really small clip size, like 3 or 6 bullets (well, technically it's a revolver by the name, so it should hold 6).

    Which means it have big rounds. There are .22 revolvers with drum capable of holding 9 or 12 bullets but if the revolver is using .45 it will probably have just 6 holes. So having 3 or 6 bullets tops, means that revolver packs a punch.

    But its not a big deal. I just don't believe that the xenos can not be killed. If its not breaking certain parts of the game making it impossible to beat, somebody will make a mod that enables the killing of the xeno  :laugh:
  20. Salt The Fries
    do you think this is the ORIGINAL Alien from the movie? The premise says that the blackbox from Nostromo got to Sevastopol, so I'm thinking it might have drifted along with the Alien who was shown to withstand the vacuum, right?


    I'm half expecting that myself.

    As unlikely as that sounds, I'd have to assume CA are applying artistic liberties with the creature since it has obvious design differences from Giger's original xenomorph (eg. hands and feet).

    There's been some evidence that their design used to be a facsimile and only changed a bit just recently.

    But like I said any liberties they're taking don't concern me, we all know this is as close to release date as it gets, there won't be any U-Turn just like with Colonial Marines, and any fanboy-ish speculation about changing this or that pixel doesn't really interest me.
  21. Sadogoat
    do you think this is the ORIGINAL Alien from the movie? The premise says that the blackbox from Nostromo got to Sevastopol, so I'm thinking it might have drifted along with the Alien who was shown to withstand the vacuum, right?

    I'm half expecting that myself.

    As unlikely as that sounds, I'd have to assume CA are applying artistic liberties with the creature since it has obvious design differences from Giger's original xenomorph (eg. hands and feet).
  22. Salt The Fries
    I also loved the HUD and UI, even the graphical symbols representing buttons on the gamepad were anachronic (not to mention that cool hacking device), reminded me of old Commodore Alien(s) games (and maybe a bit of Alien Resurrection).
  23. Salt The Fries
    Giger's was just as killable as the adults in Aliens. That was always the intent of the film makers. Why do you think they gave it acid for blood?
    Yes, that was the intention, but why is this convo still going? It's clear from the materials hitherto shown that neither this rudimentary revolver nor flamethrower (which by the way lasts like 3 blasts till it's completely empty) could EVER kill the creature.

    By the way, a lot more interesting question:

    do you think this is the ORIGINAL Alien from the movie? The premise says that the blackbox from Nostromo got to Sevastopol, so I'm thinking it might have drifted along with the Alien who was shown to withstand the vacuum, right?

    ???
  24. barker_s
    Gabgrave I know about the bullets but Vasquez managed to kill a xeno with her sidearm pistol which was not using a special ammo type.

    She did, but it was at point-blank range and aimed at the side of its head (and it was still flailing about afterwards). You can clearly see the bullets bouncing off the front its head a few seconds earlier when she shot at it from a distance. Taking that into consideration, I don't see how you could harm the alien with a knife.
  25. OpenMaw
    OpenMaw, yes the xeno have parts representing mechanical parts but they are made out of tissue, and they are not indeed mechanical  :laugh: But I think you already know that.

    I don't actually necessarily agree with that. We don't really know what the Alien's genetic structure is like. We've never had anyone study a sample of the adult's structure on screen. For all we know it could be a LITERAL Biomechanical creature using nano-tech type cells. Many people believe the aliens don't need to eat simply because they are essentially a multi-limbed, conscious battery.


    This alien is a meter taller than Giger's Alien and it has different legs and is tremendously fast. I'm just saying that it looks like the next step in evolution of the original Giger Alien which could mean that it's even harder to kill than the original that was described by Ash as unstoppable and perfect.

    I very much doubt that is their intention. I'd chalk it up to artistic license. Also there's no indication on how fast the original alien could be. As in, no upper limit. It was blindingly fast when Parker made his attempt to attack it.

    Can you please stop talking about the lame drones from the sequel. They are easy to kill, not Giger's alien or this one obviously.

    Giger's was just as killable as the adults in Aliens. That was always the intent of the film makers. Why do you think they gave it acid for blood?
  26. Salt The Fries
    The gun from here is obviously not as capable as the one Vasquez had. It got this crude, rudimentary feel to it, and by the looks of it, it takes forever to reload and has a really small clip size, like 3 or 6 bullets (well, technically it's a revolver by the name, so it should hold 6).

    Gabgrave I know about the bullets but Vasquez managed to kill a xeno with her sidearm pistol which was not using a special ammo type.

    I would say that Vasquez managed to put a pistol bullet in a weak spot in the Alien's head while she had it pinned to the vent wall with her foot. Remember that immediately before this, Gorman emptied his own pistol into the Alien's armored head as it came out of a side-shaft with no apparent effect whatsoever.
    Plus Vasquez didn't actually kill it in the end.
  27. Seegson
    This is Alien, not "Aliens". That means aliens are not cannon fodder here. CA its trying to keep the mistery, the "unknow" and "unstoppable" factor of the Alien intact. Wrong game if you are looking for something else Winteractual
  28. Sadogoat
    Gabgrave I know about the bullets but Vasquez managed to kill a xeno with her sidearm pistol which was not using a special ammo type.

    I would say that Vasquez managed to put a pistol bullet in a weak spot in the Alien's head while she had it pinned to the vent wall with her foot. Remember that immediately before this, Gorman emptied his own pistol into the Alien's armored head as it came out of a side-shaft with no apparent effect whatsoever.
  29. Predatorium
    Gabgrave I know about the bullets but Vasquez managed to kill a xeno with her sidearm pistol which was not using a special ammo type.
    Also Hicks killed a xeno at non point blank range during the xeno attack. You can hear the sound. We don't know if he was using slug or buck shots but we can assume it was buck shot. My point is, you don't need an armor piercing or high explosive or incendiary rounds to kill a xeno.

    As for the predator's blades. A blade is a blade. It doesn't matter if its a predator's made or not. The acid will destroy the regular comabt knife but you still be able to penetrate the tissue more or less.

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    OpenMaw, yes the xeno have parts representing mechanical parts but they are made out of tissue, and they are not indeed mechanical  :laugh: But I think you already know that.


    Can you please stop talking about the lame drones from the sequel. They are easy to kill, not Giger's alien or this one obviously.
  30. Salt The Fries
    Hello, I'm back after a long break. I've just wanted to say that I've watched most of E3 footage and been fascinated by the promise of the game. Furthermore, I think Creative Assembly exhibits the right attitude, and Al Hope in particular deserves massive praise, in particular. Some of folks here stated that he's very nervous, etc. I just think that he is very sensitive and wants to be very accurate, and his speech as a result might seem hesitant. I like him a lot as a person.

    By the way, as far as some of your concerns go, especially with androids and NPCs, it's been confirmed both by the devs and the press that not all androids will be hostile, you will have to figure that out from your own observation. Some of them will be even helpful, part of them will act neutral, but of course some of them will be downright hostile. I think this would make for an interesting dynamics.
  31. WinterActual
    Gabgrave I know about the bullets but Vasquez managed to kill a xeno with her sidearm pistol which was not using a special ammo type.
    Also Hicks killed a xeno at non point blank range during the xeno attack. You can hear the sound. We don't know if he was using slug or buck shots but we can assume it was buck shot. My point is, you don't need an armor piercing or high explosive or incendiary rounds to kill a xeno.

    As for the predator's blades. A blade is a blade. It doesn't matter if its a predator's made or not. The acid will destroy the regular comabt knife but you still be able to penetrate the tissue more or less.

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    OpenMaw, yes the xeno have parts representing mechanical parts but they are made out of tissue, and they are not indeed mechanical  :laugh: But I think you already know that.
  32. Predatorium
    Wait, what? Where the Hell did you read that? From every image we've seen, this is more or less a faithful recreation of Giger's beast with a few bits varying, like the legs and feet.

    This alien is a meter taller than Giger's Alien and it has different legs and is tremendously fast. I'm just saying that it looks like the next step in evolution of the original Giger Alien which could mean that it's even harder to kill than the original that was described by Ash as unstoppable and perfect.
  33. gabgrave
    So what are you saying is that the adult xenos can be killed only by assault rifle, shotgun, etc.? No way. Its not possible. Its a tissue after all, its not metal.

    Btw the revolver in the game seems way more powerful than the pistols used in A:R and in the movie one bullet to the head killed an adult xeno. The revolver in the game should be able to kill the xeno. It looks like its bigger caliber judging by its barrel and punch. (as someone already mentioned)
    Thats bullshit man. You can kill a xeno even with melee weapon. Why the predator is hunting xenos with spear and wrist blade if the xenos were UNKILLABLE like some people think? You are not limited to firearms only. Its funny to think you are.
    Can you show me a screen where I can see the mechanical part of a xeno?


    I think you are making several wrong assumptions here.

    Firstly, tissue. It's Alien tissue, which has been described as needing a laser scalper to cut, and that's just the face hugger stage. Also, it has claws that can rend through steel. It's makeup has been described by the creators as a bio-mechanical silicon based life form, with an external exoskeleton carapace that is like armor.

    Secondly, when you talk about firearms and bullets, you need to understand that it's not the gun that damages, its the bullet. There are many types of bullets, ranging from solid lead rounds to armor piercing high explosive. You can have the biggest gun in town with the largest caliber, but if your bullet is a soft lead round which flattens on impact, it's not going to be able to penetrate armor. This is why a small handgun with APHE bullets can be said to be more effective than a rifle shooting lead. FYI, the pulse rifle uses HVAPHE rounds, which can cut through an alien. However, I find it ridiculous that people think a shotgun firing ball bearings can even hurt an alien, like the games assume. The only time it ever got a kill was at point blank range in the mouth, or using high-tech plotbunium ammo. Speaking of which, all the A:R weapons that the team brought in are stated to be souped up beyond what is legal, thus their welcome.

    Third, are you trying to compare what a superhuman alien species that can jump 5 meters into the air, and has metal that is made to combat the aliens acid blood, can do to an alien, to what a colonial marine with a USCM K-Bar can do? Or in this case, what one fit female civilian with a wrench can do?
  34. OpenMaw
    Giger used car parts, and parts of a ventilation system to build the original creature. The tubes, screws, piping, all of those bits are the real deal on Giger's design, which is what this creature is supposed to be.

    This is not a drone alien from any of the sequels. It's a lone alien that has morphed into something huge, something we haven't seen before.

    Wait, what? Where the Hell did you read that? From every image we've seen, this is more or less a faithful recreation of Giger's beast with a few bits varying, like the legs and feet.
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