According to The Wrap, Ridley Scott’s sequel to Prometheus is set for a March 2016 release. Production will allegedly begin this fall after the director is finished with his upcoming film, Exodus. Additionally, Green Lantern writer Michael Green has been brought on board to re-write the original draft for Prometheus 2 by Jack Paglen.
“Prometheus served as an unofficial prequel to Scott’s seminal 1979 sci-fi movie Alien, and the sequel that Green will write aims to be much more alien-y and in line with the terrifying tone of past films in the franchise. Additionally, the sequel is expected to feature multiple David androids, which means there will be more than one Michael Fassbender on screen at the same time, according to an individual familiar with the project.”
Thanks to Gazz for the news.
apart or so for good old Cap and co...
Sulaco -- one.
You do actually watch these films, yes?
Clearly you expect wrong.
Because they were incapable of seeing the future.
Crew were deemed expendable. Obviously they didn't expect them to scuttle the ship, but insurance would've ultimately covered the loss.
I'm going by the reasons cited by Burke. As previously mentioned Cameron copied the setup for Alien in Aliens. Burke went fishing with the colonists the same way whoever issued SO937 did.
He wasn't in the vicinity.
So they wouldn't suspect anything when they woke up half way home.
Nope it's not complicated and yes it is borne out by basic logic. How people make the same mistakes you do is frankly baffling.
Perfect? No. Far from perfect? Also no.
Possibly. You could also tie it in to the while thing about the Nostromo being sent in the first place. Company = cheap.
Dallas the tug pilot was out of his element. Janek (whom I generally dig as a character) didn't even offer the rest of his largely nameless non-bridge crew the opportunity to evacuate.
Bishop is essentially the 'crew' of the Sulaco. In the script he was awake (a la David) and handled all the actual flying of the ship - so not out of thin air.
But that’s what you’re alluding to isn’t it? That complicated explanation for the company’s rationale when that rationale is not borne out of any disenable logic presented in the film? That you accept it without question is great. I’m happy to accept it as well... but I’m merely pointing out that when Alien is under the microscope, it too is far from perfect. For example, as I pointed out before... Why have only a single escape shuttle that can’t even take 50% of the crew? It’s of course a contrivance to allow for Ripley’s escape, but for it not to be an option prior to the deaths of Kane, Brett, Dallas and Ash. It serves the story fine, but when you start to examine the logic/detail, it doesn’t stack up.
My point was countering your erroneous point about the senior officer wanting to countermand quarantine.
The point is nothing exists in a bubble. Actions have repurcussions and influence future actions. Dallas is way more realistic - evne with the mistakes he makes, than Milburn who runs a mile from dead bodies (wouldn't a biologist be a little bit interested?), but make goo-goo eyes and new alien lifeforms (and the hammerpede scene doesn't even bug my in the slightest - but I can see why people would criticise it).
Why would anyone suspect that? Dallas interrogated Mother - she said she'd picked up a transmission and got them up to check it out. "He just runs the ship". Was he supposed to be omnipotent or something?
Simple answer is that Ash was already at Thedus. Why try and make up stuff to complicate things?
Same reason they didn't send a specific expedition. Cost/ potential security implications.
You'd have a point if this was in fact, the case.
However it's not. Anyone paying attention is perfectly capable of joining the dots. It's really very straightforward. And is reinforced by the events in Aliens and Alien3. Again, I don't know why anyone would want to try and complicate something to frightfully simple.
They sent the Nostromo because it was the closest company vessel in the area. It takes 10 months to get to Acheron from Earth. Had they bothered to put together another billion dollar company research mission like Prometheus, some other company with its truckersmustinvestigatestrang etransmissions clause might jump the area they were trying to search.
Outside information certainly helps fill in the logic gaps for stories that last days but are told in hours. I would be curious to understand how Shaw/whats his face found out about an alien solar system by a cave drawing in an infinite universe. I mean those cavemen painting for the engineer had to get those measurements exactly right for scientist hundreds of years in the future to get exact mathematical measurements for navigation........
Every movie has logic gaps.
Ripley was senior officer, and she chose to abide by them.
Sure, if you want to cherry pick and ignore context. Go right ahead.
Nope.
Nope. The actual film has the Special Order that says 'Nostromo re-routed [past tense] to new co-ordinates'. The Company knew about the transmission and put Ash on board to ensure anything of value was returned - even if it killed the crew. Ripley repeats this at the enquiry in Aliens. "We set down there on Company orders". The crew just thought Mother picked the signal up by accident, meaning they were obliged to check it out as per their contract.
Haha, yup. Dat story advancement...
Rule four of headbite club is "after ignoring the black dude's advice, take the black dude's advice".
Rule three of headbite club is "ignore the back dude's insanely competent advice"
f**k knows.
Yes they were. They're contractually obliged to investigate transmissions indicating intelligent origin and have quarantine procedures. Ash and Dallas just circumvented them.
That just makes him human. An attempt at atonement.
Then you're simply more interested in your own opinions than the reality of the story. Company obtains transmission (how may soon become clearer), deciphers it, reprogram the next ship going near that area of space to make it look like the ship picked it up by accident just in case there's anything of value, puts minder on board in the form of Ash.
1) He accepts a mission to a hostile environment not even questioning why they should be taking part in it or asking himself if they are capable.
2) He puts an away team in place consisting of both the captain and 2nd officer.
3) He should have returned to the Nostromo as soon as he lost communications with the Nostromo when approaching the derelict... Never proceed without comms.
4) He contravenes the supposed ‘quarantine processes’ and puts the entire crew in jeopardy. Everyone dies because of him not taking command and not following procedure that a child could follow.
5) He sends himself, the most senior officer, into the vent alone (when it would have easily taken two... which would have been at least a little safer) to trap the alien. Dallas was an idiot...
I think you are actually conflating 'tone' with character behaviour. I think Dallas is at least equally as stupid, but his stupidity is presented within the cointext of a darker, much scary/serious film. The tone of Prometheus is much more directed to under 18's and is not really a 'horror' film - IMHO.
Which you'd expect when someone was happy with what they did the first time.
I think Riddles cut it from the DC because it was a red flag about Ash.
Point conceded, but still. Film clearly states Ash was swapped out two days prior at Thedus.
It was indeed the plan and wasn't nonsensical in the slightest. It made perfect financial sense to obtain a specimen of whatever the warning was about - if indeed there was still anything alive - via the next ship going near that area of space, and make sure you have some insurance on board with a special order to follow. Much cheaper than mounting an expedition, that could amount to nothing. Cameron repeated this in the form of Burke in Aliens. Burke didn't want to make a security situation with the ECA just in case the ship didn't even exist. Whoever issued SO 937 was doing the same thing - they were out for themselves, but weren't dumb enough to put themselves in harms way like Burke did.
That's from IMDb, which seems to get the line from the DC. The TC has Dallas pointing out to Ripley she was also recently transferred. It's right there in the film.
What?
If you are going to try and make a point, at least make it vaguely coherent or at the minimum, relevant.
SO 937 would suggest that the Nostromo was rerouted before. 'Cos the Special Order Ash says 'Nostromo re-routed' (past tense). It implies that someone had arranged for it to be re-routed before leaving Thedus and Ash joining the crew.
The colony is a joint venture between the ECA and WY. Deleted dialogue talks about WY getting an advantage with mineral rights because of the joint venture. Any national or corporate ownership of the planet is never mentioned.
You've lost me here - what's the AP for if they're not terraforming?
All things considered - Kane would've likely been dead before quarantine was up.
That’s pretty much irrelevant. Kane was already incubating the alien. We don’t know that the alien’s gestation period was shorter than the quarantine period. Ergo, even after quarantine, Kane would have still been brought onto the ship with aforementioned alien embryo inside. Even if they left them in the airlock (which isn’t exactly the same as ‘quarantine’ by any stretch) Kane was still going to end up dead... possibly Dallas and Lambert too. Also, the fact that Ripley was the only one bothered about quarantine procedure and that Dallas, the captain, was not... aptly demonstrates their overall lack of capability to do the job in hand. Not that I blame them... they’re just space truckers.
VAN LEUWEN: There have been people there for over twenty years and they never complained about any hostile organism.
RIPLEY: What do you mean? What people?
VAN LEUWEN: Terraformers, planet engineers. They go in, set up these big atmosphere processors to make the air breathable. Takes decades. It's what we call a shake 'n bake colony.
Come to think of it, had someone actually listened to Parker when he was shouting, "Why don't you freeze him?", all their problems would've been prevented
As for the mistakes you then list people make, none of them are actually similar to what Milburn does. It's like a car driver seeing he's veering off the road and deciding this is exactly what he should be doing. The problems you list are oversights or problems with people getting complacent, none of which Milburn is shown doing. He's a firefighter looking at an inferno and saying "Oh, it's so bright and warm! I'm going to walk into it."
People are allowed to make mistakes. The problem is Milburn is only ever shown being worse at his job than somebody with no experience. This is what people call bullshit on.
Why refer to the colonists as “planet engineers”, build huge atmosphere processors if it only applies to Hadley’s Hope colony?
Where in your reading comprehension skills did you find me saying 'It WASN'T dumb?"
Didn't I specifically say, "Yes, it is dumb. But what's dumber, is thinking smart people don't do dumb things?"
I also didn't say people are allowed to do stupid things. I never even said it wasn't stupid. Im saying its silly to assume a scientist wouldn't do something stupid. It makes me think you have some crazy ideal for how scientists behave, and have never known or spoken to people who are involved in research. They are just like everybody else. They do stupid things and make silly mistakes all the time. They drop glasses down the garbage disposal. They miss the bowl when they pee because they didn't get enough coffee.
And for the record: When a guitar player effs up, or a pilot crashes a plane it is ABSOLUTELY and RESEARCHED and DOCUMENTED that they do so because they make a bunch of silly mistakes, like not eating right, not getting enough sleep that night, overlooking some minor detail, or getting distracted by a piece of ass. Even the most objective person in the world is still working against their own subjective impulses and they fail at it sooner or later.
How many people who drive cars, forget to change their oil and fluids or even get enough gas and break down? Or rush to work because they forgot to set their alarms and cause an accident? Do you suppose those people aren't good at driving? That the only people who make glaring behavioral mistakes when driving are those who don't know how to drive? If you want to stats involved, the truth is, the MORE you do something the more likely you are to make mistakes doing it.
The military is kind of always portrayed as being ruthlessly efficient. It has its fill of wtf moments as well. Leaving two guys in the middle of nowhere by themselves with no support is a wtf moment.
I imagine traveling from system to system will be like the old naval voyages of the past. You run into trouble you deal with it the best you can until some other naval boat picks you up. Could be days or weeks later. I would bet that whatever version of MOTHER the Sulaco was using would have pretty sophisticated defense systems. If the USCMC is always operating short hand it would have to. Otherwise there is no way to complete the mission.
Likewise we would've had to just deal with it until help came if something went down. Personally I don't see that as a fault. Our battalion was understrength when we deployed so we were stretched very very thin all over Africa. If the Technical manual is to be believed then the USCMC has 200,000 Marines for the whole Galaxy.....