Prometheus is featured in the current issue (Issue 130) of visual effects magazine Cinefex. There are 30 pages in total and there’s new behind-the-scenes shots and production still. The magazine is filled with lots of interesting behind-the-scenes information. You can check out the scans below.
[Images removed at request of Cinefex]
Thanks to seeasea for the scans.
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What we have seen here in Prometheus is just a different end result, because of different elements in the mix. Black goo plus Holloway plus Shaw plus Jockey. Who knows what life combined with the goo to create classic xeno?
Maybe we'll find out in a later film.
I just see it as a pre-cursor to the alien in some ways, perhaps the original alien also went through a similar stage? Or maybe its a completely different strain or sub species. I dont really think it matters at all. We may never even see it again, sequel or no. If we get a Ridley sequel, presumably it will take place somewhere else, following Shaw & D. Who knows what we will see.
I like that idea. We don't have to see the same things over and over.
"A beginning of Gigers Alien" can still be taken from a conceptual stand point. And Lindelofs quotes can be taken the same way in terms of theme. I agree wholeheartedly about the egg/mural part.
Considering the story goes through great lengths to tell us human and engineer DNA are a perfect match I doubt the creature would appear much different. Of course from a movie going experience I'd expect to see something like the Deacon but considerably larger with slightly different surface detail.
Yeah. You can see how it very well could have been LV426 in some earlier draft and the just nipped and tucked a few elements. But it doesn't change what we have now in the final film. It's obvious this is the aftermath of what happened 2000 years ago and lead to the derelict landing on LV426. The events in Prometheus are an off-shoot resulting in a new and separate strain of alien biology.
"A beginning of Gigers Alien" were the exact words. Then Lindelofs quotes about one of the Prometheus creations going on to become what we see in Alien. Then Cinefex' statements. And again, lets not forget the fact Deacon was an afterthought designed way after the mural, so I wouldnt give the mural much thought as some kind of a direct connection to Deacons. It wouldve been silly. Deacon is a result of a baby of a human-hybrid and human baby impregnating Engineer. Those are the ingredients. I wonder how many of them they had thousands of years ago. The mural so far has been confirmed to be nothing more than an homage to Gigers work with easter eggs in it for Giger/Alien fans
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But ... it IS there.
A precursor in terms of conception and design. Not from a story stand point, obviously.
That's nice. He was designing it for Ridley Scott, who says otherwise, and is backed up by, you know, the actual evidence from the film, which shows that Xenos existed at least a couple thousand years before the events of Prometheus.
It's hard to believe anyone who actually watched the film even disputes this. We didn't even need to see Alien depictions in murals to know that Giger Aliens were of a 2000 ago strain. It's in the story. Many of the visual cues are throwing people off the scent of the true concept at work.
Further more, were the classic six fingered hands cradling the egg even recognizable on screen? I saw the film twice in theaters and didn't spot it. The 'crucified' alien being was front and center. (Looking more cocooned than crucified I might add.) Perhaps more symbolic of the Titan Prometheus than anything else in the film.
There were lots of visual cues harkening back to the 4 Alien films and some I believe had to have been intentional. But in the case of the mutations, it feels more like different designers pulling from the same 'real life inspirations.' The same real world deformities that afflict people around the world. Birth defects, etc. Add in the most basic alien DNA and you're going to wide up with a very similar final product. Ridley just makes it look better on camera.
Did you mean to say Holloway? I only saw a picture of various Fifield creatures.
The mural everyone should be looking at is the one with two Alien hands wrapped around a hatched Alien egg, which has the familiar four open petals on top. This is different and a direct depiction of the Alien creatures we all know. The original egg and original creature design's hands.
Giger's came first.
The magazine's journalists can say what they like, but this is on-screen evidence and, thus, must be considered canon if you want to link this back to the original movie continuity.
As for the Holloway picture, it's a very nice artistic depiction, but nothing revolutionary. As interesting as the various designs for Fifield's head were to look at, they're still not much different to the famous clone design's head which ADI made up for 'Alien Resurrection':
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More grey than orange/cream, but still very similar.
Not so much hatred as disappointment. It's because a lot of people, including myself, felt it had a look and animation very similar to what you'd have expected to see out of a 1980s B-movie. The reason it rubbed a lot of us up the wrong way is because it was clearly Ridley Scott's attempt to out-Alien the Alien, when they had HR Giger on set, only to come up with what we saw.
It wouldn't have felt as cringe-worthy if it wasn't for knowing Giger was literally working on the same project, but he was.
All the more so, because Ridley Scott had been so widely quoted in publicity interviews for the film, trashing the original creature design. Which he's entitled to do, but it's like someone getting the chance to do a prequel to 'Back To The Future' and saying, "Nobody can make a DeLorean look like it can travel through time now - they're so out-dated!" Only to have their hero stumble across a time-travelling golf cart as the credits roll.
And we have to wait a lot with this movie. I'm expecting another bunch of trailers for DVd/Bluray release.
The scene was probably recut and reworked to erase any trace of Weyland leaving the ship at that moment.
I susupect the originalcut tomake more sense.
Hope the original Fifield xeno like mutant willbe reinstated too...
Gosh annoying to have to wait again to see the real movie...
Not gonna lie, I didn't think of it in layers like that until reading your post. I mean, I got that's what happened, but I didn't think of the importance of it... I really love the themes they have going on here, I need to see the movie again.
The alien linage (as we know it from Alien/Aliens/Alien3) was designed/perfected 2000 some odd years Before Deacon (B.D.)
The classic Alien DNA/look is actually a vintage mix.
The Giger Alien has a 2000 year old biology. The Deacon is a newer harvest.
I've been seeing this confusion a lot around the boards about the age differences and the "What came first: The Chicken, or the Egg" styled questions.
If you ask me ... I'd say the classic facehugger design was SPECIFICALLY created by the Engineers for humans. They are a tailor made biological weapon. The Bodyhugger or "Trilobite" as they call it in the art book, is a contaminated breed. A potentially more dangerous strain and more hideous to the Engineer since it is born out of the womb of it's own perceived failed creation.
Throw in there the implications of David's tinkering and the Deacon represents something incredibly sacrilegious to the Engineer. Life created by manufactured life by way of artificial life.
It is Prometheus via Mary Shelly. The power of life ... out of control ... destroying it's creator.
Ian Malcolm was right.
Just noticed the article has my fan-title for an Alien Prequel: 'Alien Genesis'. f**k!
I'm not sure Spaihts's original straight-prequel script was quite so open-ended. According to Lindelof, the original ending in Spaihts's script has more of a 'Robinson Crusoe' feel versus the voyaging onward choice in the film. The distinct impression I get from that is that Shaw (originally "Watts" in Spaihts's script; the name was changed to avoid confusion with a studio exec) was originally slated to be marooned on LV-223 or 426.
But anyways, when Prometheus was still an Alien Prequel, it was intended to be two parts. I have a feeling some of that may have been carried over into Prometheus, given all of the questions it left open at the end. The original Alien Prequel was probably more of a cliffhanger ending since they were going to film back to back, but I bet some of the concept of the story still transitioned over into Prometheus.
Perhaps when rolling up their sleeves for Deacon design they though they might use the alien on the mural that they designed
Go read the "art of the Film" book. The Deacon was pretty much the last thing they made, and the pretty much made it up as they went along after Ridley showed told them about the Goblin Shark. It was an after thought. They knew they wanted to do a chestburst scene at the end of the film for the fans, but they wanted the alien to look different. And they made it on the fly. The murals and relief were made beforehand and are based off of Giger designs. The only reason the wall relief and the Deacon look similar is because they are both based on the basic design of Giger's Alien. It's all in the book.
I think he meant behind the scenes stuff; visual effects, actors, pre and post production, that kind of stuff. Not specifically story details.
Same but I don't think they going to reveal everything since if they are doing a sequel. Definitely they are going to have a hard time trying to keep tap on a lot of information until and if a sequel will be made.
The mural Its definitely a Giger homage, but there is no denying that the Alien in the middle was intended to look like the Deacon. It has the pointed head, no tail...
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I dont think the mural is more than it actually is - an homage to Giger with easter eggs
Scott wouldve surely denied connection to the alien when magazine was gathering info about the Deacon. Plus, its not like its just the magazines statement. Deacons designer, Neal Scanlan says "It represented the beginning of Gigers Alien". Add to it flat out statement that it is a proto allien and what trylobite is and there you go. Scotts statements about derelict in Alien already being in place were taken before the movie was coming out, when they were all playing the game that they admitted to, meaning denying any connections to Alien and making people wonder
Well, Alien 3 kinda springs to mind. Granted, that was the product of a situation which was just... all kinds of messed up.
But yeah... even if there's some kind of extended version of Prometheus on the horizon, Ridley seems happy enough with this cut that I wouldn't expect any major rejiggering of existing scenes. (That's not to say we won't be getting 223 hours of additional Fifield material in the bonus menu... 'cause, y'know, that's what the kids are in to these days.)
Couldn't agree more on the length. I also wonder how some further horrific mutation during the scene might've played; would've been cool to see him changing as he was jackin' mechanics and mercenaries. Really though, I just wish it was a little longer. Thirty seconds more could go a long way.
As for the Aliens...based on the mural, they do exist before the Deacon is born. I'd say the Deacon is a new distant cousin of the original Xenomorphs, which we haven't seen yet. This is just a theory, but maybe the Aliens already exist. They were created by the engineers to wipe out planets. BUT....what if they were designed to be asexual and couldn't breed? That way, they can kill off entire planets then eventually all die off themselves. The engineers then started f**king with their DNA, reverse engineering them, and making a way for this black goo to turn any living being into a Xenomorph--think of the concept taken from William Gibson's unused script for Alien 3 (where the Alien DNA goes airborne, infects people and turns them into Aliens). What the engineers never anticipated is what would happen when the Alien DNA/black goo encountered a female human being for the first time. We all know that the Aliens take on certain characteristics of their hosts (ie: the dog Alien from Alien3). Well, when Holloway got infected, maybe his now alien-human sperm got Shaw pregnant and implaneted a xeno-embryo of some sort. That embryo latches on to Shaw and is basically introduced to the human reproductive system for the first time, that embryo of course starts taking on those attributes (like the Queen in Resurrection) and Shaw gives birth to the first proto-Facehugger, giving the Xenomorphs the ability to breed. The Alien DNA strain now has the ability to pro-create. So maybe the Deacon will end up becoming a Queen and eventually evolving into the breed of Aliens fromthe first film. Maybe tthe events in Prometheus mark the beginning of the new Alien lifecycle.
Ridley loves to talk and he doesn't mince words. I'm confident will get the skinny and a few colorful Ridley-isms along the way.
Imagine how the pacing would feel if we didn't get Fifield's attack until Weyland and co were leaving for their trip to see the Engineer. I liked the way the scene plays right after the Med-Pod sequence ... barely lets you catch your breath! I would have liked the fight to have played out a little longer with some stalking/suspense and some jump scares.
It does seem like that could've been how it went down. Very interesting. Fingers crossed for the True Hollywood Story of CGIfield in the blu-ray extras.
Looks like an incredible amount of craftsmanship went into the digital mutant Fifield. I'm curious if the practical effects and the CGI evolved in parallel and it was just a matter of what Ridley liked better ... or if one was developed first, and they quickly re-developed the concept to better serve the story/pacing.
It's kinda cool from from the symbolic stand point of the practical effects being more 'cave man' like and CGI being more 'evolved human' (aka grey-esque)
I hope that CGI character has wonderfully animated facial features and set of teeth like a shark.
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On the subject of the Deacon being the precursor to the Alien we saw in 'Alien': Impossible. And it's painfully obvious as to why and many of you have already explained quite well how it works.
The magazine explains the evolution of the Deacon in terms of it's concept. Not it's story heritage.
Yea but hes also said that the Derelict is the Juggernauts brother ship. If it had the same stuff then the Derelict incident could have produced a Deacon type alien that ultimately created a real Alien.
from this article: http://screenrant.com/prometheus-alien-connection-benk-176223/all/1/
So the Derelict crashed on LV-426 a couple thousand years ago, give or take a couple hundred years. Aliens already existed before the Deacon, as evidenced by the murals in the pyramid within the film itself. This quote from Scott just verifies it.
Until there is official confirmation it can go either way. As its one big interview itself.
Ok,. but maybe we will finally hear them speak. As I remember they doesn;t say a word in a whole movie. And I have a feeling that they wouldn't sound like the warning from Alien.
It's just that with each days news there are more of them.
I expect a picture of a stadium full of Engineers by tomorrow.
I'm guessing the magazine misunderstood the information being presented to them, given the amount of interviews and official material that contradicts what is said in this article.
If its not wrong we might have more than one Space Jesus on our hands. I hope its wrong.
So wroong