I think it’s fair to say there’s a hell of a lot of questions in Prometheus that goes unanswered. There’s a fairly in-depth look at Prometheus by someone called Cavalorn. It definitely puts a whole new spin on things. Who are the Engineers? What do they do? What does the opening scene represent? What does the dark liquid do? Why do the Engineers hate human beings?
Be sure to check it out. Thanks to JaaayDee for the news.
I liked the film. I'm not sure it's as good as you seem to think it is, but I like it, and I look forward to another one. So do many people! You might be happier talking to those folks instead.
Maybe in the chaos of all that's happening it didn't enter her mind. Or maybe she accepted the inevitable as the life boat was trash and how was she to get home? Maybe she didn't know David was still alive/working.
And how would you have executed the pacing? The movie was already two hours long, if it drug on people would complain that it didn't have enough excitement and action. As I recall Alien gets to the point pretty quick itself. What's wrong with the characterization? I bet i can find a real life example of each one of them. Yes even the pretty boy scientist. The plotting? Really? Tell me this, its Scott's and his team's piece of art work. They weren't making it to please YOU ALL. They made it because he had a idea and wanted to create it. If you like it cool if not it doesn't mean its bad. Its just means its not for you. I don't think the Mona Lisa is anything special but there are people out there who think it is. It doesn't make it a bad painting.
So rather than spewing out problems about the film just for the heck of it why don't you elaborate. Because anyone who just had high expectations for a film and were disappointed by it can say,"Oh the was no plot and the pacing was off " or "the characters were all wrong". Stop crying about the film.
The problem most of you have is that you thought going into this that all your questions about Alien would be answered in one two hour movie and they weren't. You left with more questions, much like Shaw was at the end of Prometheus. Her initial questions weren't answered and she was given all new ones. Why does every movie have to be all served up to you all neatly wrapped in a box? Can't a movie leave you wondering and you be satisfied with it? Thinking intellectually is one of the single greatest things humans can do and most squander it with their eternal struggle for instant gratification.
Why is everyone so hung up on the fact that the original alien creature was not in here? Or complain about how its possible origins are from a black goo substance that reacts to the emotions or intentions of what ever it comes in contact with. I think that is brilliant. It shows the duality of life/death, creation/destruction. This is after all SCIENCE-FICTION and anything is possible. Maybe the combination of the worms and the humans intentions created the hammerpead. I know that everyone loves the original Alien creature and was expecting some huge payoff of how it came into existence, but you know what as David says,"big things have small beginnings". Maybe its beginning isn't as extraordinary as its final form. A grub is nothing special to look at but, a Rhino Beetle sure is!! At the end of the day if Scott and his team says the Alien creature came into being simply by a series of events that started with the ingestion of black goo that reacts to intentions and it makes it to the movie screen, THEN THAT'S CANON. I'm not saying that the black goo intention argument is correct but it sounds good and if Scott confirms it in the commentary it will make me like this film that much more. This film is meant to be a deep thought provoker. Not a answer all prequel to Alien like you all want and expected. That's why you are all limping away with sore butts.
Furthermore, I think the disappointment that everyone has with this film is a reflection of how the human race is gonna feel when we meet our creators and we find out that there is no real meaningful reason for our existence. Or how the most of you are gonna feel because you can never understand out of mental capacity what GOD truly is and what life is about. I can sleep at night just fine not possibly ever knowing all the answers and that one day I will die. I am comfortable with my own death as its not the end its the beginning of something else. These are some of the things that are brought up in the film. Society and Hollywood has conditioned you all to have such warped expectations in not just movies but life as well. Humans are the scourge of this planet right now and we don't have to be. That's why the Engineers wanted to destroy us and rightfully so. We don't deserve the gift of life as all the most of you do is consume, waste, and continue to over populate while all along bickering and fighting with one another. I welcome the destruction of the human race to cleanse this planet and let pure life reclaim it and return to balance. I would gladly sacrifice myself for that.
Then why bring her along at all? She could've just as easily stayed at home and monitored the mission remotely.
The only thing in Prommy that still isn't answered is: what does David pick up from the floor of the ship when he's wandering it alone?
I have a theory it's one of the worms seen coming from the boot of the crew later in the dome. Only the Blu-ray can answer this.
How is that even f**king possible?
She was quite a pointless character. Theron is great eye candy though so I'll let her off.
It was a little obvious when she grabbed David in the hall way. I thought maybe wife at first (in a f**ked up way), just because daughter seemed too obvious.
It was just there to show us her/Vickers reason for being there. She did not give a sh*t about anyone, or the mission. Look at what she say's to Janek' after Enginneer kills everybody "just take us home" . She was just looking after her inheritance. So knowing her connection to Weyland is kind of big, but not really story wise. IMO
I never would've guessed, quite honestly. But why introduce it if it goes nowhere? Silly.
So if anything it was a genius PLOT twist.
The Space Jockey's were running away from something in the holograms, and Xeno's don't traditionally get picked up by normal means (or at least, infrared), so I'm guessing they were running away from some Xenos. I believe someone even mentions that they saw a corpse with a blown out chest.
Honestly, it seems like the black goo was just liquid Xeno, which seems safer to carry than a bunch of facehugger eggs.
Considering how she reacted with Weyland, I figured that bit of information was obvious.
The article makes it seem like the goo and Space Jesus are linked. The moment of his death somehow made the goo go crazy on an alien moon somewhere.
Either way the whole Jesus thing is dumb and they were smart enough to get rid of it. Thing is though they didn't go back to make the rest of the story work without it.
I thought Vickers would be the Ripley character in the end. A bureaucratic, no nonsense lady becomes the character we want to survive. Instead she gets crushed by a ship.
Isn't it obvious though? The Engineers were preparing to leave for Earth in order to wipe us out, which means that they were working with or at the very least handling the biological material in preparation, loading their ship/s etc. You could even assume that they weaponized it specifically for the Earth mission, and that's when things went awry.
Or am I missing something?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0#ws
Count me as another questioning why the death of Space Jesus would affect black slime on an alien ship a bajillion miles away on a military dumpsite planet.
yo how did the Engineers die at LV-223? I didnt get that part. They created that black goo and it turned on the Engineers because humans killed Jesus? How can the black goo turn on the Engineers because of human action since Earth and LV-223 are lightyears away from each other.
Just popping in to say no, I've never even seen that Wordpress blog.
'Prometheus Unbound' is, as other people have pointed out, the title of a play by Percy Shelley from 1820. If you have any familiarity with Eng Lit, it's also about the most obvious thing to call an expository article about a film called Prometheus, which is why I, this other guy, and stacks of other people have all done so.
Also, the word 'eponymous' means 'that for which a thing is named', in this case, the movie. If we were discussing the movie Titanic, the Titanic would be the eponymous ship. I can understand you might think the term was copied if you weren't used to seeing it used often, but I'm afraid that terms like that get bandied around a lot. I use a pretty broad vocabulary. Pan back through my LJ and check out my other work, you'll soon see what I mean.
On top of that, the content of my article and his article are completely different. As in, none of the content is the same. I go on about the Golden Bough, Space Jesus, the black goo, themes of sacrifice and acceptance of death versus unnatural extension of life, and what I think the answers are; he talks about Milton, the space cobra thing, David, and how nice it would be to have some answers.
In short, your accusation of plagiarism is based around the title, drawn from a common source (Shelley) in each case, and the fact that we both use a word - 'eponymous' - that you apparently didn't understand.
Hope that clears things up for you.
This Cav guy has for sure used parts of it.
It's very likely that they had the same ideas. Much of what was said in either entry has been repeated in some ways in this forum as well so I doubt either one is copying from the other.
Yep that is my only gripe with the movie.
Great concepts, ideas and mythology but in a indigent script.
^ Of course he did! And the WordPress article uses it because of the context- especially as it refers to Milton, William Blake, etc...
I just think it looks like this guy has taken a lot of inspiration from the WordPress blog, even using the witty/ catchy title, and given the dude who wrote it NO credit. Out of order.
It's even got the same title!
http://benjitaylorwins.wordpress.com/2012/06/01/prometheusunbound/
Out of order I would say.
#NotCoolAtAll.
Surely someone should apologize? Stealing the title is just out of order. And the WordPress article was blog of the day at some point, I remember.
It was a great, great read, mind you, but unless they had a human to interact with 2,000 years ago on 223, the theory about the goo doesn't hold any water, unless it "interacted" with the jockeys differently because they decided to kill humanity rather than create life.
It also all depends on whether the goo at the beginning is the same as the black goo in the temples.
An interesting bit can be found on the projectprometheus web site, under Project: Genesis. You can download Shaw's research dossiers, and one of them shows an Urn they found on earth, petrified, from circa 2,500 B.C. This means that not only was the goo already on Earth, it was supposedly found 2,500 years before the engineers decided to wipe us out.
Perhaps they were testing it? Was this the urn that the sacrificial jockey got his goo from? If so, it's pretty clear that it's the same goo. If that's the case, the psychological aspect that dude pointed out seems the most likely, making the goo an intelligent organism that reacts with its' hosts base nature.
But then that raises yet another question, in that if the goo reacts as such, and the Jockey had to prepare himself for the sacrifice that would create life, what was up with Holloway? He clearly chose in the end to sacrifice himself, for one reason or another, and this would be the equivelant to what the sacrificial jockey had done.
More missing pieces.
I dont either. Why would Weyland create a robot that is going to be pissed at him all the time?
Plus are they built to be fully functional? Cause, you know, Janek.
The "questions" raised by the movie, to me are an insult to moviegoers and Alien fans. The inconsistencies, the ambiguities, the appauling twists throughout the movie are not some higher form of writting and film directing, they're just a sloppy mix of ideas and poor execution masked by a good budget.
For me, the real challenge was to construct an innovative narrative, yet complex, but with a sense and purpose.
In the end what we really get are advanced optics, digital visions and an incredible Michael Fassbender.
"they were doing"
Not answers to life, but answers to the events leading up to Alien, yes. And even then, it succeeds and fails at the same time.
What is Going On in 'Prometheus'? A Universe of Questions, Answers and Theories
http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/what-is-going-on-in-prometheus-a-universe-of-questions-answers-and-theories/
is it was like a statue on the wall :| did you guys see it on the movie what do you think it means
Sharp Sticks had liked me to this last night, and I thought it was brilliant. Considered posting the link to it, but I knew it would be found anyway. Hopefully people embrace these ideas, because they're all there.
The black goo is a plot device. It does whatever the writers want it to do. Nothing more, nothing less.