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  1. Vickers

    Honestly, I don't find Fassbender that attractive.  He's got a certain charm to him and he has a decent body but his face isn't all that (in my opinion).  Logan Marshall Green is a little more attractive, I'll admit.  He reminds me of Tom Hardy who I like but he's still not one of my favourites.

    But when it comes down to acting, looks don't count for anything.  It doesn't matter if you're supermodel material or need to put a paperbag on your head - if you can't act, looks won't mask anything or sway my judgement.  Charlize Theron is beautiful and she's one of the strongest actresses of her generation.  She is a chameleon and even if she's acted in some mediocre films, she invests in her characters 110%.

    So attractiveness and acting don't go hand in hand - not for me, anyway.

    I don't question Ridley Scott's talent but nobody is perfect and people can make bad judgement.  Ridley might have seen something in Logan Marshall Green he liked but ultimately it might have been a choice that was the weakest link in the casting.  I have nothing personal against him.  I liked him in Devil but I don't think he's on the level of Fassbender, Rapace and Theron.

    Maybe at one point in the film I'll change my mind on his acting and character.  Stranger things have happened.

    At the end of the day, different strokes for different folks.

    Thanks for posting that. I think it is very honest.

    And, to be quite honest, his character appears to be very willing to sacrifice himself for the safety of others based on that storm clip in the 3-in-1 clip.  I know it's Shaw he's trying to help out but I think his character's douchiness might decrease as the film plays out.  And I've met people like him in real life.  The sad reality is that there are people like Holloway who need something to happen in order to get put in their place.
  2. Qwertify

    Honestly, I don't find Fassbender that attractive.  He's got a certain charm to him and he has a decent body but his face isn't all that (in my opinion).  Logan Marshall Green is a little more attractive, I'll admit.  He reminds me of Tom Hardy who I like but he's still not one of my favourites.

    But when it comes down to acting, looks don't count for anything.  It doesn't matter if you're supermodel material or need to put a paperbag on your head - if you can't act, looks won't mask anything or sway my judgement.  Charlize Theron is beautiful and she's one of the strongest actresses of her generation.  She is a chameleon and even if she's acted in some mediocre films, she invests in her characters 110%.

    So attractiveness and acting don't go hand in hand - not for me, anyway.

    I don't question Ridley Scott's talent but nobody is perfect and people can make bad judgement.  Ridley might have seen something in Logan Marshall Green he liked but ultimately it might have been a choice that was the weakest link in the casting.  I have nothing personal against him.  I liked him in Devil but I don't think he's on the level of Fassbender, Rapace and Theron.

    Maybe at one point in the film I'll change my mind on his acting and character.  Stranger things have happened.

    At the end of the day, different strokes for different folks.

    Thanks for posting that. I think it is very honest.
  3. brodels_nazz
    ^ they are sitting inside Prometheus. so it's after they're awoken

    Well I guess we will see... seems strange that nothing would be discussed before they left.

    Only Peter Weyland, Vickers, holloway and Shaw know the mission objective.

    I would argue that only Weyland and Vickers know the true mission objective, however, even if Holloway and Shaw are the true scientists... all the others would need to be briefed as to what they planned upon arrival.  If you have ever tried to convey information to people to prepare them for something, you normally do it before you get to wherever you are going.  You don't want to have to constantly correct people about what they need to be doing.

    Both Charlize and Shark Teeth have said that the movie starts with them already in space. The rest of the crew probably vaguely knew the details of where they were going and why.
  4. ryanjayhawk
    ^ they are sitting inside Prometheus. so it's after they're awoken

    Well I guess we will see... seems strange that nothing would be discussed before they left.

    Only Peter Weyland, Vickers, holloway and Shaw know the mission objective.

    I would argue that only Weyland and Vickers know the true mission objective, however, even if Holloway and Shaw are the true scientists... all the others would need to be briefed as to what they planned upon arrival.  If you have ever tried to convey information to people to prepare them for something, you normally do it before you get to wherever you are going.  You don't want to have to constantly correct people about what they need to be doing.
  5. ryanjayhawk
    What's odd about the 'invitation' line is that Noomi looks so different...like it was a last minute reshoot...her cheeks look botoxed to hell and her hair is weird. In terms of continuity, she looks weird.

    Maybe they're not long out of hypersleep - doesn't her character reportedly spend time throwing up after she's woken up.  I have to say, I look less than fabe when I've been chucking up first thing of a morning.

    I thought the invitation line is given on earth before they ever leave, when they are seated in the hanger looking room and LMG is playing with the holograms from the different civilizations.
  6. Winkie Bear
    What's odd about the 'invitation' line is that Noomi looks so different...like it was a last minute reshoot...her cheeks look botoxed to hell and her hair is weird. In terms of continuity, she looks weird.

    Maybe they're not long out of hypersleep - doesn't her character reportedly spend time throwing up after she's woken up.  I have to say, I look less than fabe when I've been chucking up first thing of a morning.
  7. ThisBethesdaSea
    What's odd about the 'invitation' line is that Noomi looks so different...like it was a last minute reshoot...her cheeks look botoxed to hell and her hair is weird. In terms of continuity, she looks weird.
  8. ryanjayhawk
    Michael Fassbender's performance so far in the clips and featurettes we have seen shows how an attractive actor, can just absolutely nail their part.  I think some of the problem with the dialogue is way the footage we have seen has been cut, I think seeing longer line delivery may change some opinions.

    I'm just hoping the line from Noomi about it being an ivitation doesn't make me think of Gandalf's line from Lord of the Rings, when he tells Bilbo he's trying to protect him after getting angry.  That line delivery just came out weird, I catch it everytime I see the movie.
  9. ThisBethesdaSea
    I would agree in part that LMG almost seems as if he put on his best acting skills resulting in a performance that appears almost exhuberant and plastic..which is odd because his work in Devil was amazing. I'll reserve final judgement after viewing the entire film. I want to think the best of him for now :)
  10. JKS1
    Wow, that went sideways.

    Again, really, for me, I've seen Marshall-Green in other television and film and this role is quite a departure.  He's a solid performer, I see no problem with him.  I frankly think part of the overblown response to the guy is the character, who is clearly brash, reckless and IMO condescending towards Shaw and certainly David, and that's who he is meant to be.  And yeah, I roll my eyes at some of Holloway's foolish attitude like anyone else. But part of the reaction is, I feel, a knee-jerk response to the presence of a young, handsome man who ticks demographic boxes, which, I think, is seen by some as supposedly anathema in an Alien film.

    I personally don't see it that way.  Both Michael Biehn and Tom Skerritt were reasonably popular and attractive young, up and coming leading men when they played Hicks and Dallas, but it was not the form and function of their character.  Neither is it so with Marshall-Green as Holloway.  I think times have changed, looks have changed, style and film certainly, but I don't think that's what LMG's casting as Holloway was about.  I suspect his stage work was seen and that's what got him the gig, because he's awfully good.  I don't think it's a case of "how dare they cast a hunk in an Alien movie as a shameless attempt to curry the female demographic with this pretty boy" - I never remotely thought it was that.

    Marshall-Green is playing what appears to be an arrogant, supremely self-assured egotist of a scientist.  Everything about his performance and appearance - right down to the ascot, no doubt - is calculated to generate that.  I'm sure Holloway is not a truly awful human being, but he leads with the arrogance.  I personally find his and Shaw's relationship fascinating to ponder, because as I've said before, he seems to lead the charge, even as he's simultaneously putting her and her passion down ("I want to crush all man-made religions" - why?).  I don't know why they're together, how they've related given his ego and her apparent demure shyness, and I want to.  I can believe he loves her, but their dynamic seems thorny and imperfect - and interesting.

    I have no further opinions on any of the other actors or their personal lives, except to say that Michael Fassbender may in fact be the finest leading man of our times and casting him was genius.

    the hilighted part of your post is complete and utter patronising bullshit !! (to put it politely)

    the handsomeness/hunkiness/swoonworthiness or whatever you want to call it, of a character or actor, has absolutely NOTHING at all to do with how happy or otherwise I am with his inclusion in a movie like this

    but it does have everything to do with how well and how convincingly he delivers his lines, how convincingly he plays a role, and how transparent he is in doing so

    LMG looks like he's trying to act a part, and he sounds like he's reading his lines off a cue card for the first time - amateurish in the extreme

    Its really the first time in a long time that a performance (or at least what weve seen of it so far) has stood out so much from the rest, simply from viewing the trailers, for being so glaringly bad

    He sticks out like a sore thumb amongst that ensemble cast of talent, and it has absolutely zippo to do with his looks

    Cast a breathtakingly beautiful male model type in the role and if his acting is seamless and you totally 'buy' him as that character, purely because his performance is so good, so natural, and so believable.........it certainly wont matter one jot to me how gorgeous he is........and you definitely wont hear any complaints from me - for me its all about the acting and LMG just doesnt cut it here
  11. Cory

    English versions of Shaw and Holloway:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-DMzhl15E0#ws

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANPu1cTUqzc#ws

    Just reposting in case people on the forums are confused by why the featurette thread is about dating advice.

    these subtitles are in my language. i wonder what channel this was on
    anyway. looooooove them. idc LGM's acting is great, i don't know why so many are complaining (i'm using these and the new clips as proof)

    It's on CinestarTV, also today at 3pm.
  12. VickersAsh

    English versions of Shaw and Holloway:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-DMzhl15E0#ws

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANPu1cTUqzc#ws

    Just reposting in case people on the forums are confused by why the featurette thread is about dating advice.

    these subtitles are in my language. i wonder what channel this was on
    anyway. looooooove them. idc LGM's acting is great, i don't know why so many are complaining (i'm using these and the new clips as proof)
  13. SpeedyMaxx
    Wow, that went sideways.

    Again, really, for me, I've seen Marshall-Green in other television and film and this role is quite a departure.  He's a solid performer, I see no problem with him.  I frankly think part of the overblown response to the guy is the character, who is clearly brash, reckless and IMO condescending towards Shaw and certainly David, and that's who he is meant to be.  And yeah, I roll my eyes at some of Holloway's foolish attitude like anyone else.  But part of the reaction is, I feel, a knee-jerk response to the presence of a young, handsome man who ticks demographic boxes, which, I think, is seen by some as supposedly anathema in an Alien film.

    I personally don't see it that way.  Both Michael Biehn and Tom Skerritt were reasonably popular and attractive young, up and coming leading men when they played Hicks and Dallas, but it was not the form and function of their character.  Neither is it so with Marshall-Green as Holloway.  I think times have changed, looks have changed, style and film certainly, but I don't think that's what LMG's casting as Holloway was about.  I suspect his stage work was seen and that's what got him the gig, because he's awfully good.  I don't think it's a case of "how dare they cast a hunk in an Alien movie as a shameless attempt to curry the female demographic with this pretty boy" - I never remotely thought it was that.

    Marshall-Green is playing what appears to be an arrogant, supremely self-assured egotist of a scientist.  Everything about his performance and appearance - right down to the ascot, no doubt - is calculated to generate that.  I'm sure Holloway is not a truly awful human being, but he leads with the arrogance.  I personally find his and Shaw's relationship fascinating to ponder, because as I've said before, he seems to lead the charge, even as he's simultaneously putting her and her passion down ("I want to crush all man-made religions" - why?).  I don't know why they're together, how they've related given his ego and her apparent demure shyness, and I want to.  I can believe he loves her, but their dynamic seems thorny and imperfect - and interesting.

    I have no further opinions on any of the other actors or their personal lives, except to say that Michael Fassbender may in fact be the finest leading man of our times and casting him was genius.
  14. Vickers
    Herm. Fassbender's smokin' hot, and none of us are complaining about his acting.

    It has nothing to do with his acting - it's because y'all have a crush on the Fassbender, while you all hate how cocky LGM is, and y'all hate how well he knows how hot he is. I mean I am sure they both can get plenty of leg - but Fassbender is a little more modest about it.

    I mean - do you think RScott made a bad choice with him? He has a stellar cast around him Theron, Fassbender, Rapace, Elba, etc. So would he really match all that with someone who can't compare?

    Honestly, I don't find Fassbender that attractive.  He's got a certain charm to him and he has a decent body but his face isn't all that (in my opinion).  Logan Marshall Green is a little more attractive, I'll admit.  He reminds me of Tom Hardy who I like but he's still not one of my favourites.

    But when it comes down to acting, looks don't count for anything.  It doesn't matter if you're supermodel material or need to put a paperbag on your head - if you can't act, looks won't mask anything or sway my judgement.  Charlize Theron is beautiful and she's one of the strongest actresses of her generation.  She is a chameleon and even if she's acted in some mediocre films, she invests in her characters 110%.

    So attractiveness and acting don't go hand in hand - not for me, anyway.

    I don't question Ridley Scott's talent but nobody is perfect and people can make bad judgement.  Ridley might have seen something in Logan Marshall Green he liked but ultimately it might have been a choice that was the weakest link in the casting.  I have nothing personal against him.  I liked him in Devil but I don't think he's on the level of Fassbender, Rapace and Theron.

    Maybe at one point in the film I'll change my mind on his acting and character.  Stranger things have happened.

    At the end of the day, different strokes for different folks.
  15. Cvalda
    What did you ask her to sign?

    I love 'Til Tuesday, and I am not ashamed. :P

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  16. RoyaleDuke
    Being the "nice guy" is apparently not what most women want decide saying otherwise, but I suppose that is in of itself a bit of a generalization.
    Helpful tip: never refer to yourself as a "nice guy"--most guys who claim they are actually aren't. You shouldn't have to say you are in the first place; actions speak louder than words.

    Facta non Verba.  ;)

    "Deeds, Not Words". Something I live my life by. Latin for Latin, "Apercu"
  17. Bat Chain Puller

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    What did you ask her to sign?

  18. RoyaleDuke
    Being the "nice guy" is apparently not what most women want decide saying otherwise, but I suppose that is in of itself a bit of a generalization.
    Helpful tip: never refer to yourself as a "nice guy"--most guys who claim they are actually aren't. You shouldn't have to say you are in the first place; actions speak louder than words.

    But yes, the awful cliches that women mostly go after douche bags is true. But that's because most men are douche bags, and most women are too stupid to tell.

    It's less a problem of gender, and more a problem of the entire human race in general being total morons.

    I suppose what you are saying is true, I suppose I should've worded that differently as I have heard the phrase before it just didn't click with my brain while I was typing it all out. Think before you speak, or err..type as they might say.

    Looks like I am suffering from Holloway Syndrome, oh dear. :D Cvalda, can I rely on you to turn up the flamethrower if it progresses?

     It's just that I've heard it many times before from many different women, and my ex's have all said I was a "awesome" boyfriend as I find douche bags and, the mistreatment of women, and the like as utterly detestable.


    And I agree, most of the human race are completely made up of morons.
  19. Bat Chain Puller
    But yes, the awful cliches that women mostly go after douche bags is true. But that's because most men are douche bags, and most women are too stupid to tell.


    Yep. This is true. But it should also be pointed out that "feeling entitled to pussy because you are nice" is just a different species of Douchery.

    It's less a problem of gender, and more a problem of the entire human race in general being total morons.

  20. Cvalda
    Being the "nice guy" is apparently not what most women want decide saying otherwise, but I suppose that is in of itself a bit of a generalization.
    Helpful tip: never refer to yourself as a "nice guy"--most guys who claim they are actually aren't. You shouldn't have to say you are in the first place; actions speak louder than words.

    But yes, the awful cliches that women mostly go after douche bags is true. But that's because most men are douche bags, and most women are too stupid to tell.

    It's less a problem of gender, and more a problem of the entire human race in general being total morons.
  21. Space Sweeper
    It's the details of the character. It seems like it can never be decided on whether the problem is Logan Marshall-Green's acting, or the character in general (how he's writtent to be).
    I'll just split the difference and say it's both. ;D
    And insert them both into the incessant LGM hate folder.  ;)

    Alternatively, one could overreact in this completely ridiculous fashion to everything that slithers down the PROMETHEUS pike, however obviously unremarkable it may be:
    ;)
    Nothing wrong with a bit of excitement; I realize the tiny things that diminish yours.  ;D
  22. RoyaleDuke
    So...he's a jackass? Fassbinder I mean, regardless of the man's personality he is a phenomenal actor.
    He's not a jackass--he's just not the kind of guy a sensible woman would date. Or at least that's how he acted at the London Film Festival, grinning and flirting with every woman in attendance, even kissing a female interviewer on the cheek and struttin' like a badass when it was clear she was probably about to collapse. :P

    I kid, though. I'm sure he's a perfectly respectable gentleman. :P

    Ahhh, The Ladies Man. I see, he must be confident in his abilities then.

    Which begs the question, in terms of character...how in the HELL could someone like Shaw(who sounds extremely religious) even think about dating/marrying/screwing someone that says such incredibly stupid things as "I WANT TO CRUSH  ALL OF MAN MADE RELIGION".

    You don't know women too well. Look to the collection of knowledge men have on women, Volume 13, Section 157, Subsection 3: Uncontrollable Attraction to Men with Opposite Ideologies, Start with line 1,026.

    Admittedly I've had very few relationships, and the relationships I did have were not all that positive(infidelity, dishonesty, etc) and it's true I've witnessed the paradigm you speak of in many past female friends and girlfriends detestable choice in men. Being the "nice guy" is apparently not what most women want decide saying otherwise, but I suppose that is in of itself a bit of a generalization.
  23. Cvalda
    So...he's a jackass? Fassbinder I mean, regardless of the man's personality he is a phenomenal actor.
    He's not a jackass--he's just not the kind of guy a sensible woman would date. Or at least that's how he acted at the London Film Festival, grinning and flirting with every woman in attendance, even kissing a female interviewer on the cheek and struttin' like a badass when it was clear she was probably about to collapse. :P

    I kid, though. I'm sure he's a perfectly respectable gentleman. :P
  24. Qwertify
    Which begs the question, in terms of character...how in the HELL could someone like Shaw(who sounds extremely religious) even think about dating/marrying/screwing someone that says such incredibly stupid things as "I WANT TO CRUSH  ALL OF MAN MADE RELIGION".

    You don't know women too well. Look to the collection of knowledge men have on women, Volume 13, Section 157, Subsection 3: Uncontrollable Attraction to Men with Opposite Ideologies, Start with line 1,026.
  25. Cvalda
    It's the details of the character. It seems like it can never be decided on whether the problem is Logan Marshall-Green's acting, or the character in general (how he's writtent to be).
    I'll just split the difference and say it's both. ;D

    Alternatively, one could overreact in this completely ridiculous fashion to everything that slithers down the PROMETHEUS pike, however obviously unremarkable it may be:
    ;)
  26. Qwertify
    The whole anti-LMG thing is totally overplayed. I know he won't be winning any Academy Awards in the near future - but to claim that his acting is bad or hammy is just a far cry from the truth.

    I know that the judgement of acting is subjective - there are limits to what one can argue. So when someone says the LMG is a bad actor or hammy or fake or what have you - I can't help but think they are holding something on the side against him.

    That and I don't think that such an important player in the story would be depicted by someone who Scott judged to be insufficient or incapable of fulfilling the role.
  27. RoyaleDuke
    Fun fact: I've seen Fassbender in person. Twice. And he knows how hot he is--he's one of those guys. But that doesn't bleed over into my opinion of him as an actor.

    LMG, on the other hand, just sucks. ;)

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    I mean - do you think RScott made a bad choice with him?
    Probably.

    So...he's a jackass? Fassbinder I mean, regardless of the man's personality he is a phenomenal actor.

    That said I don't particularly get all the hullabaloo over Holloway/LMG, I can't say I like him but I can't say I hate him either in fact I keep forgetting he's even in the movie to an extent. For the record Cvalda, my Mother(who wants to see the film based upon my ranting and raving about Alien and the fact she is vaguely familiar with the franchise as a whole) agrees that Holloway seems like a bit...asinine, but not quite her words(Hint: She called him something phallic).

    I will say the whole "I want to crush man made religion" line is kind of....wow douche of the year worthy, sadly I've known too many people that act or think in that way and I can say that I won't particularly like his character if he continues to carry on with that kind of attitude.

    Which begs the question, in terms of character...how in the HELL could someone like Shaw(who sounds extremely religious) even think about dating/marrying/screwing someone that says such incredibly stupid things as "I WANT TO CRUSH  ALL OF MAN MADE RELIGION". I know in a lot of cases opposites attract(not for me, tried that once), but most religious people I've known don't take to kindly to having their religion trashed about in such a manner. I am not particularly religious(I do believe in God) but I do not like when someone tries to assert their view and their opinion on someone.
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