Entertainment Blog, Market Saw, has just posted up an article containing information on Prometheus which they claim to be have been told from an insider:
“You may notice in the original Alien that the Space Jockey had a puncture on its considerably large chest, where the xenomorph broke out through the flesh of the creature and broke through the biomechanical armor it wears. You may also notice how big the Space Jockey is in relation to its human counter parts in the film. So imagine how big the baby must be, which is yet to grow. Then imagine quite a few of these. If you can do that, you got a pretty good grasp on the final act. And do not be expecting the traditional look either, these are very different creatures that will keep the general architecture of the xenomorph, but will have a considerably different look, and do very perverse things.”
There’s a few other bits in there and it’s worth a read. Thanks to Valaquen and JaaayDee for the links. In related news, Valaquen recently received confirmation from Diane O’Bannon that Prometheus is indeed an Alien film: “I’ve been officially informed that PROMETHIUS is indeed taking off on the original ALIEN story”. You can read more on that in the forum.
Cheers
One of these centuries, I'll have the anthology too. Having a blu-ray system seems to be a far away thing for me still
It's always been like this -- well before the Internet, well before this site, well before you and me posting words on an Internet discussion board. Some people like their entertainment to not rely on them leaving their brains at the door. Some people like a little thought and consideration put into their fantasy so they can enjoy it without being distracted by inconsistencies, holes in logic, and flat-out retarded bullshit. What the f**k is wrong with that? How is that any worse than just saying "Well gee, there are moving images, I'll dig it!"?
Some people care, some people don't.
And some people bitch and get into a rage and waste energy about what other people think rather than just ignoring them.
/rant
Signing off.
Feeding trolls; a bad idea.
It's pricks like you that really make my piss boil. Please, turn off your computer and take a swift walk back to dark ages you f**king c**t.
For sure you realize that the whole idea of the perversties presented by the ALIEN races in these films is that they must have evolved differently. That said, there is nothing about the way the SJ's are presented in HARVEST to suggest that they have evolved similarly or in an environment that is ANYTHING like the planet earth. Unless you think the planet in Harvest is meant to be their homeworld, and it doesn't seem to be. It seesm to suggest that they are HARVEST-ing on a terraformed planet.
LSS, the SJ's do not appear to have come from an enviornement that is in any way similar to our own, and I don't think this idea has been lost on you. You seem to have a good understanding of Evolutionary Theory. It is ridiculous to turn around after ALIEN and state that the creatures should be more plausible as we would expect Earth Creatures to be when the whole idea to begin with is something that scientifically does not make sense.
FURTHERMORE, you have also suggested that these INTELLIGENT BEINGS should be abe to understand different reproductive cycles. A good point! But this is also based on the baseless assumption that on there planet the same reproductive systems exist as do on earth and even more so, you assume that ON EARTH all scientists should be and ARE familiar with the varied reproductive cycles of all species. This is silly. I hear about new reproductive cycles ON EARTH quite remarkably sometimes. Have you ever seen how Leopard Slugs reproduce?
So why should the SJ's understand every possible reproductive cycle in the universe unless they are previously familiar? You also mentioned that they had time to study us, but there is nothing in that script to support that. There is nothing in that script to support them doing much of anything. They are in fact, quite mysterious. There is little to nothing explained about what they do or why.
Not THE LEAST OF WHICH is whether or not the mind control worked. As one brilliant fan proposed. There is nothing in that scene to demand that the audience can be sure the 'mind control' wasnt simply an excuse for the two to get it on. Yet another brilliant and subtle ambiguity in that script, I think.
When they take a shit on them.
When do humans mold hosts to a wall?
They reproduce by molding living organisms to a wall, which create more eggs or via a queen to lay eggs, then larval stage, the facehuger, bursts out of an egg to impregnates a host, later the host "gives birth" to a chestburster, which turns into a regular ol' alien.
If this is any way similar to Human sex, I am taking a vow of chastity.
Do they?
In answer to your first sentence...
we (intelligent humans) have been able to use modern science (especially Biology, Molecular Biology and Chemistry) to fundamentally understand the mechanism(s) of replication/reproduction across the diverse panalopy of terrestrial, organic Life. We don't reproduce asexually, but that hasn't stopped us from determining the methods and mechanisms employed by the countless organisms on Earth that do reproduce asexually. Nor has it prevented us from understanding the life cycle of inumerable organisms that, from our perspective, are bizarre and quite "alien". Furthermore, our knowledge encompasses the entire hierarchical levels in which Evolution works, from demes, to individual organisms, all the way down to the level of genes.
As to the rest of your reply...
My post was specifically targeted at the "Alien Harvest" script, so your discussion of the Nostromo team in the original "Alien" movie is besides the point. My argument was/is that the Space Jockey race, as depicted in "Alien Harvest", is counter intuitive to what we would expect of an intelligent, technological race.
However, since you did bring up the humans on the Nostromo...
The Nostromo's science division (Ash) was able to learn quite a bit about the Alien, despite only having a dead face hugger to study...e.g. outer layer of protein polysaccharides, it replaced it's cells with "polarized silicon", it's structure allowed for prolonged survival in adverse environmental conditions, etc. And that is just the stuff that Ash disclosed to Ripley. We (the audience) are given the implicit impression that Ash also knew that the facehugger had "impregnated" Kane with it's offspring, and that something bad was going to happen to Kane when the offspring gestated. Ash saw the "stain" on Kane's lung during the bio-scan, and evidentlly could put 2 and 2 together. If you watch the chestburster scene carefully, you see Ash being strangely observant of Kane, even before he goes into seizures. Ash also is the one who recommended fire (hence the flame-throwers) as a possible weapon against the Alien. So, while the regular crew may have been more or less clueless with regards to the Alien, the Science Officer certainly had "collated" quite a bit of salient data on the creature...and in a remarkably short period of time.
Yet, in "Alien Harvest", the Space Jockey's are either incredibly dumb, or incredibly lazy (or perhaps both). Despite having multiple human specimens to analyze and observe for an extended period of time (at least months, possibly years), they resort to MIND CONTROL (mental telepathy, I kid you not) in order to induce one specimen to insert his reproductive organ into another specimen's waste canal. Yeah, as if utilizing a waste canal as a locus for embroynic incubation could possibly be a successful evolutionary reproductive strategy. Apparently the Space Jockey's were interstellar engineers...but "rocket scientists" they were not.
Actually, if the SJ's are ASEXUAL, as are the Xenos, there is no reason to assume they would understand human reproduction and if they are exploring biomechanics then these experiments make perfect sense. Also, how can it be odd to you that an intelligent creature not be able to understand an organism's lifecycle just by looking at it. Are we to assume the humans are ignorant in ALIEN? Because thats exactly what happens in ALIEN. In many ways that script isvery complimentary to alien... I agree 100% that it is a smart direction to take.
Which is why it would work. The Alien isn't going after a man because it wants to explore homosexuality. It's going after the man because it just wants a host.
What a fantatstic story line...
That's the most rational explanation I've seen against that sexual element of the harvest script nice work....
..Although, if the species and the biology on its planet are completely alien to how we comprehend biology, and they had only encountered males of the species, its logical they couldn't create an accurate model of human procreation, also the script references that jockeys also rely on other post industrial means of technology ie wood blocks (lol) and farming, as for them understanding interstellar flight and not understand advanced human biology I refer you to the harry turtledove work of fiction
"A Road not taken".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_Not_Taken_%28short_story%29
And a reminder we are talking about Science Fiction here.
*Director reads and promptly drops Rapace/Theron love scene from shooting schedule*
I respectfully disagree. I think the "sexual" imagery and context within Alien is meant subliminally, and is meant to operate on the viewer at a sub-concious level. If you look at it from a purely scientific/biological perspective, there is absolutely no reason for the Alien organism to "understand" and exploit the sexual dimorphism between human males and females. After all, it's parasitic life-cycle involves implanting an "egg" down a human hosts trachea. The trachea/lung/respiratory systems is the same in homo-sapiens (males and females).
It makes even less sense in the absurd "Alien Harvest" pseudo-script. Here, we are to believe that an intelligent, highly technological civilization (The Space Jockey's) have little to no understanding of biology, and are not curious enough to examine their human captives in order to determine the method and means of reproduction. Even if the Space Jockey's reproduced offspring in a completely "alien" manner to humans...one would still think that a race intelligent enough to build interstellar spacecraft would be smart enough to form an accurate model of how an unrelated species (humans) pro-create.
I actually think it's a step in the right direction, considering the Alien is supposed to be sexual to begin with. Makes it that much more disturbing.
If there are even aliens in this movie, that is probably what it will be.
I just think getting the actors to say that there might be a connection is a very good way to generate initial intrest in Prometheus. I think Ridley's first announcement about the film not being related alien but has it's DNA has been misinterpreted. I think that the bones of alien will be there, the tight atmosphere and prolonged tension is the DNA of the first alien film.
I could be wrong guys only time will tell but I hope I am.
How could it be connected to Alien and not feature something akin to it? It's Alien, not alien. Big difference.
All they confirmed is that it is connected to Alien. It could be centered strictly on space Jockie's and not even have the Alien in it.
I hope I'm wrong guys...
That's true, I rented the Blu-ray just to see if it was any better regarding the clarity and it indeed was. While it's still very dark, you can make out the definition in the black levels better, and actually see the aliens in the shadows.
It's much easier to see in the Blu-Ray version.
TBH though these "growers" can't be very intelligent to not realise that our species needs a male and feamel. If there using males they would clearly know about our species. which makes me think that this is 100% fake
You mean some of you people actually saw Alien Vs Predator: Requiem ?? And I mean that quite literally. I rented it and could not make out a blessed thing on the screen, it was so dark. I think the Straus Bros. must have filmed it with a welding glass filter in front of the lens.
If I can remind you all that Alien was rated R and no one complains about that now. I hope its rated R so I dont have to sit in a cinema surrounded by teenagers.
Having ranted on a bit, I love the new rumers and cant wait to see a re imagining of the Alien in its more pure non human hybred form.
Im hoping for some alien sex.
My God, all these rumors are giving me a headache.
This is either what we don't deserve considering deserving expectations, or a complete bastardization of what we want.