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Author Topic: Newts or Shaw's death?  (Read 2047 times)

D88M
Nov 30, 2017, 11:22:48 AM
Reply #45 on: Nov 30, 2017, 11:22:48 AM
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Disappointed with Shaw. Is like we lost a movie between Prometheus and Covenant and took the movie equivalent of Skyrim "fast travel" to a place not so interesting as what the Prometheus ending was hinting.


FenGiddel
Nov 30, 2017, 02:59:24 PM
Reply #46 on: Nov 30, 2017, 02:59:24 PM
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The motivations of Shaw, Holloway, Vickers and Janek are pretty distinctive.
True, that.


And I'd add that Janek's motivations, driven by his past experience with SNAFUs like the engineers', would be very interesting to hear. It opens up the Alien universe just a little wider.


Snake
Dec 10, 2017, 02:55:18 AM
Reply #47 on: Dec 10, 2017, 02:55:18 AM
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I think Newt's death is far more emotionally powerful than Shaw's; not only because Newt sort of replaced Ripley's deceased daughter, but also because she's a completely innocent character and way more fragile than others since she's a kid. It begs the question wether they should have left her 'unmarked' or chop her up instead...as they did. Anyway, the shots where she is lying on the table and you see the shadows of the surgical instruments pass over her closed eyes or when Ripley is checking her mouth always get to me. Shaw's death was like: 'well, here she is'. No drama whatsoever.


Scorpio
Dec 10, 2017, 03:15:13 AM
Reply #48 on: Dec 10, 2017, 03:15:13 AM
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Shaw all the way.  Newt is overrated as a character.  She is basically a plot device in Aliens.  A 'damsel in distress' to gain the audience's sympathy and cheer on the hero.  Her funeral scene in Alien 3 ironically made her more of a complete character than the entirety of the previous film.


PsyKore
Dec 10, 2017, 08:50:08 AM
Reply #49 on: Dec 10, 2017, 08:50:08 AM
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I think Newt's death is far more emotionally powerful than Shaw's; not only because Newt sort of replaced Ripley's deceased daughter, but also because she's a completely innocent character and way more fragile than others since she's a kid. It begs the question wether they should have left her 'unmarked' or chop her up instead...as they did. Anyway, the shots where she is lying on the table and you see the shadows of the surgical instruments pass over her closed eyes or when Ripley is checking her mouth always get to me. Shaw's death was like: 'well, here she is'. No drama whatsoever.

Some people say Newt's autopsy is in bad taste, but it was definitely gut-wrenching to watch, probably more so because from Ripley's POV it was only moments ago that they were both going to hypersleep.

But for all the flak Alien 3 gets, I really feel it did give a terrific and respectful send off for Hicks and Newt during the funeral. Writing out the characters that way - killing them off in the opening credits - may be a cheap method, but it wasn't like they were just ignored. I thought it was well done.

I definitely agree that Shaw's had no drama, which was disappointing.



PsyKore
Dec 10, 2017, 09:02:17 AM
Reply #51 on: Dec 10, 2017, 09:02:17 AM
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Some people say Newt's autopsy is in bad taste,

Well. It's a horror movie. For adults.

I'm not entirely sure why some people go
to a horror movie and expect to be coddled...

Probably because it's a child. I can respect it may be crossing the line for some, even though I think it fits well for the ruthless nature of the Alien series.




PierreVW
Dec 10, 2017, 05:33:55 PM
Reply #54 on: Dec 10, 2017, 05:33:55 PM
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Shaw all the way.  Newt is overrated as a character.  She is basically a plot device in Aliens.  A 'damsel in distress' to gain the audience's sympathy and cheer on the hero.  Her funeral scene in Alien 3 ironically made her more of a complete character than the entirety of the previous film.

I agree.


SM
Dec 10, 2017, 07:31:43 PM
Reply #55 on: Dec 10, 2017, 07:31:43 PM
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Some people say Newt's autopsy is in bad taste,

Well. It's a horror movie. For adults.

I'm not entirely sure why some people go
to a horror movie and expect to be coddled...
Probably because of the broader audience Aliens appealed to e.g. soccer moms.

 :laugh:


OpenMaw
Dec 10, 2017, 09:01:54 PM
Reply #56 on: Dec 10, 2017, 09:01:54 PM
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I never had a problem with the autopsy, even as a kid. Oh it's uncomfortable and it made me somewhat sick to my stomach, but how it's handled in the story, really adds to the trauma that Ripley is suffering. Not enough that Newt died, but that she may have been a host, and having to see her cut into like that. Ugh. Weaver does a great job in that scene, as always.


SM
Dec 10, 2017, 11:07:40 PM
Reply #57 on: Dec 10, 2017, 11:07:40 PM
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The autopsy was done about as tastefully as such a scene could be done.  There's no lingering wide shots with Newt's guts hanging out.  It's all close ups, and quick cuts, and Ripley's response conveys sorrow rather than shock, along with Clemens reluctance.  Even the shots of bloody instruments are tempered by the fact they're not being used on anyone that's alive.


Biomechanoid
Dec 10, 2017, 11:16:01 PM
Reply #58 on: Dec 10, 2017, 11:16:01 PM
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Probably because it's a child. I can respect it may be crossing the line for some, even though I think it fits well for the ruthless nature of the Alien series.

Poor adults, they get no respect. If a child is being mutilated, a gush of empathy ensues, but if it's an adult or even older teenager, too bad so sad, mutilate, amputate, hack, and stab to their heart's delight.  :laugh:


PsyKore
Dec 11, 2017, 02:11:04 AM
Reply #59 on: Dec 11, 2017, 02:11:04 AM
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I once saw a sticker on the back of a car that read "Adults on board, we want to live too". :laugh:


 

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