I hate Fiefeld SO much.

Started by bobby brown, Aug 11, 2017, 10:57:21 AM

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Russ840

Russ840

#45
I see. I missed that.

Like i have said, i do find fan edits interesting and often there are modifications that i prefer.

They will never be my "prefered" cut though.

SM

SM

#46
What it boils down to is some people get grumpy that people like movies that they don't like and vice versa.  And like to get all melodramatic and superior about it.

I can't stop them peddling opinions as fact.  People can make up their own mind.

Russ840

Russ840

#47
Quote from: Olde on Aug 25, 2017, 12:56:55 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Aug 25, 2017, 12:49:41 PM
The way i see it is the Star Wars trilogy that Lucas had in mind was the special editions. Plus he was the one to implement the changes, no ?  Therefore, not a fan edit. So how does SM contradict himself ? Have i missed something here ?
He doesn't contradict himself. Quite the contrary, my point is that since Lucas made the changes, it is the "definitive" version of Star Wars. It is his official artistic vision, as is the original (or Director's Cut) of Prometheus/Covenant of Scott's. Yet the Special Edition of Star Wars has been universally panned and is pretty much unanimously agreed upon to be absolute filth in comparison with the originals. It was used by whiterabbit earlier today as the butt of a joke. What I'm saying is that SM would be forced to agree that the Special Edition would be the version to watch rather than a fan remaster that raises the video quality while also doing away with all the needless excess, purely on the fact that it was a fan who did the changes, not the original author.

Quote from: Russ840 on Aug 25, 2017, 12:49:41 PMWhy do people really feel the need to dig eachother out about opinions?
I don't really care what SM thinks, though his opinion for some reason seems to hold more weight on these forums than others'. So I think it kind of matters when he said that fan "recuts" as he calls them are disrespectful, when the only thing disrespectful I've found are Ridley Scott's attempts to ruin the original Alien by answering a question that needed no answer.

Well its his opinion. I wouldnt say they are disrespectful myself but i can see his way of thinking.

I really cant agree with you regarding Scott disrespecting the original Alien.

Im not really a Star Wars fan so this will likley mean nothing but i thought the special editions were far better than the originals.

SM

SM

#48
I don't see any disrespect.  He's making movies he wants to make, and if people don't like them, that's a shame - but you can't please everyone.

Jonesy1974

Jonesy1974

#49
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2017, 01:06:37 PM
I don't see any disrespect.  He's making movies he wants to make, and if people don't like them, that's a shame - but you can't please everyone.

It's truly amazing how much sway your opinion can have when it's reasonable and makes sense.

Scorpio

Scorpio

#50
The Star Wars Special Editions are terrible, I don't know how anyone could defend those.  The De-Specialised fan edits are superior in every way.

As for Fifield, he gets too much hate.

Hamster1066

Hamster1066

#51
Quote from: Paranoid Android on Aug 25, 2017, 12:53:52 PM
Quote from: Russ840 on Aug 25, 2017, 12:49:41 PM
The way i see it is the Star Wars trilogy that Lucas had in mind was the special editions. Plus he was the one to implement the changes, no ?  Therefore, not a fan edit. So how does SM contradict himself ? Have i missed something here ? 
The special edition Lucas made is the inferior cut of the film. The De-Specialized edition - the fan-made cut - is the superior one.

Not so much a fan cut as a fan restoration then.

Olde

Olde

#52
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2017, 01:06:37 PM
I don't see any disrespect.

Quote from: SM on Aug 12, 2017, 05:19:01 AM
Quote from: Elmazalman on Aug 12, 2017, 05:10:47 AM
Quote from: SM on Aug 12, 2017, 05:05:41 AM
Can't imagine any fan edit that's going to improve it.

Mind you can't imagine ever watching a fan edit of anything...
Why not?
Cause I wouldn't trust most fans to recut a movie.  And I find it a bit disrespectful.  And every trailer I've watched for a fan edit has left me scratching my head (to be generous) instead of really wanting to watch it.

Well if you just want to double down and say that no, you don't actually find it disrespectful like you originally said, then I won't argue because that was my main point of contention. However, I do still take umbrage with this:

Quote from: SM on Aug 12, 2017, 05:19:01 AM
Can't imagine any fan edit that's going to improve it.

This is completely dismissive for no reason other than you refuse to accept something. If you're so sure about it, why don't you go watch it and see for yourself? Do you really think that Ridley Scott's version of Prometheus is so unbelievably good (100% perfect) that no one could possibly improve upon it in the least? Or do you think that works of art like Prometheus ought never to be touched by another person? Do you even know what the fan edit does? It adds about 45-50 minutes of deleted scenes, remastered to fit the quality of the rest of the film, put in logical places for further explanation of what's going on so it's not such a catastrophic mess that fails to explain most of what's happening. It's not like someone took a hatchet to the film and made it a post-modern pastiche, or interspersed the film with home-made footage of a half-naked middle-age obese man in his backyard dancing with a flotation device in a kiddie pool...although given the train-wreck that is the original Prometheus, that might actually have made the film more watchable.

What ability do you have making any remarks about a film you refuse to watch, and why should anyone care about what you can or can't imagine if you're just going to avoid seeing the work and judging its improvements and flaws for yourself? It's as petty as judging a film you haven't seen...because that's exactly what you're doing. I've seen both the original and the fan edit of Prometheus and I can tell you that from the pacing, narrative, character development, action, and dramatic standpoints, the fan edit far and away excels over the original. But I guess my and others' opinions are wrong for no reason other than, uh, I guess the authenticity of the original work is disrespected. When what we're talking about is Prometheus (7.0/10 IMDB).

I get that you're saying I can watch the fan edit if I prefer, and you can stick to your original. That's fine, but don't try to also pass off your snide comment that you can't imagine the fan edit being possibly better than or preferable to the original. You're talking to someone who thinks that the original Prometheus is literally unwatchable yet found the fan edit to be actually a good movie. The bigger picture of this is that by saying you can't imagine the fan edit being better, and even worse by refusing to watch it or any fan edit, you've essentially denigrated the entire fanbase of the AvP community as well as I guess fan editing/remastering communities across the board. It's been shown again and again that Ridley Scott is no smarter than the community's fans, unless you'd like a little reminding by having me pull up one of his recent quotes, and saying that you'll only watch his works while disregarding any attempts to make his films remotely watchable. You've built this pedestal for Ridley Scott, which is just insulting. And I'm sorry for giving a little bit more credit to the AvP community than you. But fans do whatever work they do for their love of the series, not for a paycheck. There's more honesty, genuineness, and love for the series in a lot of the fan content than the official "canonical" bullshit. And I refuse to accept that there's no value in fan works, be they re-cuts or re-edits. They won't replace your precious originals, so you don't have to be such a prick to dismiss them. Take them for what they are, an alternative.

SM

SM

#53
QuoteWell if you just want to double down and say that no, you don't actually find it disrespectful like you originally said, then I won't argue because that was my main point of contention.

Perhaps go look at the context of when I said...
Quote from: SM on Aug 25, 2017, 01:06:37 PM
I don't see any disrespect.  He's making movies he wants to make, and if people don't like them, that's a shame - but you can't please everyone.

QuoteThis is completely dismissive for no reason other than you refuse to accept something.

I accept people make them and some people like to watch them.  I've watched trailers for some fan cuts and nothing in them makes me want to watch them.  Not wanting to watch something based on promotional material isn't a terribly difficult concept to get ones head around.  I have a shit tonne of other movies I don't have time to watch first.

And you could saved yourself such a long rant too.

Alionic

Alionic

#54
I'm in a bit of a conundrum with Olde. I think both the OT Special Editions AND the Prometheus Fan Edit are bullshit.

The OT Special Editions completely butchered and destroyed the artistic aesthetic of the era in which the films were made. Lucas casually replaced practical aliens and creatures throughout the films with modern CGI ones. It just looks so jarring. I won't even get into the scene edits and ADDED DIALOGUE that he put in. Empire and Jedi weren't even scripted or directed by him, and still edits and revises them.


SM

SM

#55
They're his babies.

Unless Disney released the original cuts - in 20-30 years it won't matter.

SiL

SiL

#56
As an interesting footnote there's one situation where a fan edit was picked up for official distribution: https://www.fanedit.org/fanedit-impresses-director-and-becomes-official-cut/

SM

SM

#57
Nice work if you can get it.

Olde

Olde

#58
Quote from: SM on Aug 26, 2017, 12:11:22 AM
I accept people make them and some people like to watch them.  I've watched trailers for some fan cuts and nothing in them makes me want to watch them.  Not wanting to watch something based on promotional material isn't a terribly difficult concept to get ones head around.  I have a shit tonne of other movies I don't have time to watch first.

I didn't watch any promotional material or trailers of the fan edit, and I also don't judge an entire genre around the presence of bad trailers. Some good movies have terrible trailers (a lot of shitty ones have bad ones, too). It doesn't mean that everything is garbage and it certainly doesn't mean that it's inconceivable that a fan version could be better than the original or that fans can resolve discrepancies, figure out what makes the movie cohere/look/pace better and implement it, etc.

Quote from: SM on Aug 26, 2017, 12:11:22 AMAnd you could saved yourself such a long rant too.

I never can.

SM

SM

#59
Clearly.

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