Covenant made only for 111 millions.

Started by Ingwar, May 07, 2017, 09:46:21 AM

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Cheeseburgers

Cheeseburgers

#60
Then after its Alien Awakening.

echobbase79

echobbase79

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Quote from: Protozoid on May 07, 2017, 10:12:53 PM
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Quote from: Darkness on May 07, 2017, 10:09:10 AM
Considering Anderson managed to make AvP for $60M, and it had way more practical creature work and effects, $111M is a lot.

i most certainly hope you weren't serious with this comment.


111 million huh. this movie is going to grab 1/3 of the budget on official opening night worldwide alone. I get the feeling this will do 650 million + at about the 'end' of it's worldwide cinema run. THEN, when the special extended cut BluRay DVD comes out, with behind-the scenes footage and stuff, it'll do a couple of hundred millions extra.

this movie definately is blowing new life into the alien. a crowd of applause and hats being taken off to ridley.
Will there be a special extended BluRay cut?
I haven't heard anything about that, but I sincerely hope Fox drops extended versions of Prometheus and Covenant in the near future.
I really hope so. 2 Hours is sucha short runtime. Hopefully for Scott's next movie he learns his lesson,
Unclear if it's Fox, Ridley, the editor Pietro Scalia, or a perfect storm combination of all three. Scott has made five movies in a row for Fox, and it seems almost random which ones get extended versions and which ones do not. Exodus desperately needs one, but Fox isn't interested. The Counselor arguably needed it, and the extended cut helped people come around to the movie. The Martian probably didn't need it, but the longer cut is the new default for many. Prometheus and Covenant would probably be costly to extend, but I think it would be worth it if it led to a Blade Runner/Alien3/Counselor situation where the new cut greatly improves the movie's reputation. People often give extended cuts a fair chance to change their mind. If you watch the deleted scenes on any movie Scalia edited, you will find stuff that doesn't belong on the cutting room floor.

Quote from: echobbase79 on May 07, 2017, 09:40:39 PM

I think he's pretty happy with the released version of Prometheus. That being said, I wish he'd add the Elder Engineers at the beginning and more of the conversation between the Space Jockey and Weyland. In the released version that scene goes right for the jugular rather than building that moment up.
I'm a little confused why Scott is so confidant that Prometheus doesn't need an extended cut, after admitting that he liked the longer cut but Scalia convinced him it needed to be under two hours and structured differently. I think the reshoots made the movie considerably more on-the-nose, which I don't like. There is definitely room for a better cut, but I think it would mean adding back in a scene between Vickers and Janek and cutting the scene between Janek and Shaw. That, right there, changes the movie in a pretty drastic way, from having rushed exposition in the third act that is on-the-nose and far too quick. The conversation with Vickers and Janek gets us inside Janek's head in a way that the scene with Shaw really fails to do. She just tells him what to do, instead of us, as the audience, discovering it for ourselves and being able to read into Janek's later decisions. If they want to improve the pacing, cut the Isle of Skye sequence, which is redundant and presented in a rushed way that is, again, on the nose. Then, restore the structure of the third act to give Shaw more of a chance to shine and allow the story to unfold at a more measured pace. They might as well add the Engineer stuff back in, too, but I think the character stuff is more important. They really stepped wrong by cutting that back. Vickers and particularly Janek really, really needed that scene, and I can do without most of the reshoots. I wish they would release the assembly version, like they did with Alien3. Just try to make the movie close to the shooting script using the footage minus the reshoots. That version would be a revelation to many.

I didn't know this. I only heard an interview where he talked about how he thought the movie worked as is. But this was during the PR tour after the film was released. He'd talked about how he cut thirty minutes out and that it would be on the bluray release. Some people got confused thinking that he meant an extended cut.

I totally agree with you about that scene. I personally find the scene between Shaw and Janek to be very plot convenient. It's also not acted as good either.

Protozoid

Ridley did turn down the chance to restore the deleted scenes, so that says something. But he didn't have any problems with the assembly, seemingly. The making of Prometheus documentary gives the impression that Scalia took the lead in deciding the final form of the movie, and after watching the movie dozens of times the decisions that Scalia made are really bothering me. I think Damon Lindelof's script was more balanced before Scalia abbreviated it.

PierreVW

PierreVW

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Quote from: Anthony on May 07, 2017, 10:13:39 PM
Quote from: PierreVW on May 07, 2017, 10:12:25 PM
Quote from: Ingwar on May 07, 2017, 10:08:34 PM
Quote from: echobbase79 on May 07, 2017, 09:40:39 PM

I think he's pretty happy with the released version of Prometheus. That being said, I wish he'd add the Elder Engineers at the beginning and more of the conversation between the Space Jockey and Weyland. In the released version that scene goes right for the jugular rather than building that moment up.

100% agree.


Quote from: PierreVW on May 07, 2017, 10:03:07 PM
Sir Ridley Scott works very fast so He saves TIME and MONEY.

Time? Well, he's 80. Time flies.

I known. Still Sir Ridley works very fast. He is going to RELEASE 2 movies this 2017: ALIEN: COVENANT and ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD(Late December).

Off topic, but where have you heard about Scott releasing All The Money in December?

In Gold Derby Website about the new drama from Steven Spielberg with Tom Hanks and Meryl Streep.

Both of them(Sir Ridley and Spielberg) are doing the same thing. Both are beginning to be filming in a few days. Both of their movies are RELEASING THIS late December.




Quote from: Protozoid on May 07, 2017, 11:38:19 PM
Ridley did turn down the chance to restore the deleted scenes, so that says something. But he didn't have any problems with the assembly, seemingly. The making of Prometheus documentary gives the impression that Scalia took the lead in deciding the final form of the movie, and after watching the movie dozens of times the decisions that Scalia made are really bothering me. I think Damon Lindelof's script was more balanced before Scalia abbreviated it.

Sir Ridley said: He prefers his films to be short, direct and concise in the theaters. He prefers THE LONGER versions for The Home Market. He said this several times.

That's why He trusted in Pietro Scalia. Scalia is direct and concise. Sir Ridley made that decision with KINGDOM OF HEAVEN too. KINGDOM OF HEAVEN: THEATRICAL CUT is a Pietro Scalia movie. KINGDOM OF HEAVEN: DIRECTOR'S CUT is a Sir Ridley Scott masterpiece.

Protozoid

Quote from: Protozoid on May 07, 2017, 11:38:19 PM
Ridley did turn down the chance to restore the deleted scenes, so that says something. But he didn't have any problems with the assembly, seemingly. The making of Prometheus documentary gives the impression that Scalia took the lead in deciding the final form of the movie, and after watching the movie dozens of times the decisions that Scalia made are really bothering me. I think Damon Lindelof's script was more balanced before Scalia abbreviated it.

Sir Ridley said: He prefers his films to be short, direct and concise in the theaters. He prefers THE LONGER versions for The Home Market. He said this several times.

That's why He trusted in Pietro Scalia. Scalia is direct and concise. Sir Ridley made that decision with KINGDOM OF HEAVEN too. KINGDOM OF HEAVEN: THEATRICAL CUT is a Pietro Scalia movie. KINGDOM OF HEAVEN: DIRECTOR'S CUT is a Sir Ridley Scott masterpiece.
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Dody Dorn edited Kingdom of Heaven, but I understand what you mean by that comparison. I'm one of those weirdos who would like to see another, longer cut of Kingdom of Heaven. There is still some good stuff on the cutting room floor, including an alternate ending that I prefer. Out of the five endings they had, I think they used my least-favorite one for both cuts. Balian should have ridden past Sibylla and been alone back in France, but what do I know?

If Scott releases long versions of Prometheus, Exodus, and Covenant I will be happy. But, Scott turned down the chance to extend Prometheus back in 2012 and Fox doesn't seem to want to release the long version of Exodus. This idea of doing two versions only works if the other cut actually comes out. Otherwise, Fox is missing out on the chance to have Prometheus and Exodus get a positive reappraisal the way Blade Runner, Kingdom of Heaven, and The Counselor did - arguably Scott's three best movies after the extensions.

PierreVW

Quote from: Protozoid on May 08, 2017, 12:57:29 AM
Quote from: Protozoid on May 07, 2017, 11:38:19 PM
Ridley did turn down the chance to restore the deleted scenes, so that says something. But he didn't have any problems with the assembly, seemingly. The making of Prometheus documentary gives the impression that Scalia took the lead in deciding the final form of the movie, and after watching the movie dozens of times the decisions that Scalia made are really bothering me. I think Damon Lindelof's script was more balanced before Scalia abbreviated it.

Sir Ridley said: He prefers his films to be short, direct and concise in the theaters. He prefers THE LONGER versions for The Home Market. He said this several times.

That's why He trusted in Pietro Scalia. Scalia is direct and concise. Sir Ridley made that decision with KINGDOM OF HEAVEN too. KINGDOM OF HEAVEN: THEATRICAL CUT is a Pietro Scalia movie. KINGDOM OF HEAVEN: DIRECTOR'S CUT is a Sir Ridley Scott masterpiece.
Dody Dorn edited Kingdom of Heaven, but I understand what you mean by that comparison. I'm one of those weirdos who would like to see another, longer cut of Kingdom of Heaven. There is still some good stuff on the cutting room floor, including an alternate ending that I prefer. Out of the five endings they had, I think they used my least-favorite one for both cuts. Balian should have ridden past Sibylla and been alone back in France, but what do I know?

If Scott releases long versions of Prometheus, Exodus, and Covenant I will be happy. But, Scott turned down the chance to extend Prometheus back in 2012 and Fox doesn't seem to want to release the long version of Exodus. This idea of doing two versions only works if the other cut actually comes out. Otherwise, Fox is missing out on the chance to have Prometheus and Exodus get a positive reappraisal the way Blade Runner, Kingdom of Heaven, and The Counselor did - arguably Scott's three best movies after the extensions.
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Sir Ridley said: "I'm 70% artist 30% commercial". I think this quote is even in his IMDb. He always thinks in terms of money too. That's why his films are DIRECT and CONCISE in theaters. He changes for his Director's Cuts. He is always thinking in terms of box office and Blu-Rays too.

I remembered he said his EXODUS cut is 3 Hours(180 Minutes) The Theatrical Version is only 150 Minutes(30 minutes less).

Protozoid

Do you think Scott would do longer versions of all of his movies if he could, Pierre?

PierreVW

Quote from: Protozoid on May 08, 2017, 01:11:31 AM
Do you think Scott would do longer versions of all of his movies if he could, Pierre?

He loved the short(theatrical) version of THE MARTIAN.

He doesn't have faith in normal people(most moviegoers). That's why he makes shorter films for theaters. His Directors Cuts are ONLY for Home like he said.

Protozoid

The theatrical version of The Martian was pretty perfect already, but I do like the long version. I can live with the current version of Prometheus, too, but Exodus is another story. I really hope the 180 minute version is released someday.

Corporal Hicks

Corporal Hicks

#69
There's a new behind-the-scenes still in this article, by the way -



Someone else maybe able to find a better link buried in the code.

A version from the actual paper copy of the article via the Creatures Inc. Facebook page -











https://twitter.com/ObsNewReview/status/861159174398464001

newagescamartist

I sense he's getting a little subtle dig in on James Cameron when he's expressing how important being decisive is in regards to time and budget.

SiL

SiL

#71
I think it'd be more a dig at everyone these days who spend six months with $200 million dollar budgets for less result than he churns out.

As for whoever said 2 hours is a short run time, Alien is only 115 minutes and Ridley's 2003 cut is even shorter.

Robopadna

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 08, 2017, 09:16:09 AM
I sense he's getting a little subtle dig in on James Cameron when he's expressing how important being decisive is in regards to time and budget.

I'm sure Cameron gives a crap considering he has two of the top three movies of all time in box office returns. In addition he has worked on plenty of small budgets and made some of the most iconic sci fi movies.

newagescamartist

Quote from: Robopadna on May 08, 2017, 10:16:25 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 08, 2017, 09:16:09 AM
I sense he's getting a little subtle dig in on James Cameron when he's expressing how important being decisive is in regards to time and budget.

I'm sure Cameron gives a crap considering he has two of the top three movies of all time in box office returns. In addition he has worked on plenty of small budgets and made some of the most iconic sci fi movies.

Oh I agree, I doubt he cares.

Robopadna

Quote from: newagescamartist on May 08, 2017, 01:28:15 PM
Quote from: Robopadna on May 08, 2017, 10:16:25 AM
Quote from: newagescamartist on May 08, 2017, 09:16:09 AM
I sense he's getting a little subtle dig in on James Cameron when he's expressing how important being decisive is in regards to time and budget.

I'm sure Cameron gives a crap considering he has two of the top three movies of all time in box office returns. In addition he has worked on plenty of small budgets and made some of the most iconic sci fi movies.

Oh I agree, I doubt he cares.

It just seems petty. No one at Disney regrets 200 million a movie for their marvel and Star Wars franchises.

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