Aint No Jockey, just a Suit...

[kwisatz]

Bla Ridley, always knew it was a suit --

[Protozoid]

ah wait, i'm interpreting the text wrong. i was interpreting that they were claiming that it was just the suit, and there was nothing in there. my mistake lol.
yeah, i now understood what the text reads.

such a buzzkill.I thought the interpretation of it was rather interesting in prometheus, but nevertheless it was a letdown that it were humanoids in the end.
there was so much material there with the elephantinelike shape of it all.

They were already humanoid.  Two arms, two legs, similar number of digits, two eyes, similar teeth...

There are some superficial differences, but overall, the Space Jockey was so similar to humans that they really did need to explain it or else the Jockey just wasn't alien enough.

That said, I expect them to retcon this again an introduce the Jockeys as a separate species.  I'm not excited about it, but I expect it.  They've gone back on so many things, at this point, and Arthur Max is not the production designer for Covenant, so I think all bets are off.

[SpeedyMaxx]

They can try and sell the spacesuit idea all they want, but sorry I ain't buyin'.

They sold it. It's canon. Whether it was right or wrong is debatable, but it's the facts as they stand. I'm not making an aesthetic judgment, I'm just dealing in what's there.

Is it hypothetically possible someone could change that again someday? Sure, but it seems like both Fox and Scott are sick of the space jockey entirely and want to be done with it. There's no evidence they're going to bow to fanon and reveal 'the real space jockey'. What's more likely is we may see a human or humanoid (or android) don the Engineer flight suit from Alien.

[Ragonk_Force]

Im in the camp that the jockey is a different being that the engineers worship/emmulate

The #optimistic camp.

Or logical camp as it clearly is a much larger being

[SpeedyMaxx]

When has Ridley been terribly interested in logic vs. aesthetics? Not since The Duellists.

[Protozoid]

When has Ridley been terribly interested in logic vs. aesthetics? Not since The Duellists.

"Logic is boring." - Alfred Hitchcock

[SpeedyMaxx]

Quite.

[OmegaZilla]

...if the official Prometheus Twitter is accurate.

Shouldn't surprise anyone really. It's been quite clear since the Prometheus trailer (and if you've been around the boards -- it was rumoured at least two years before the first Prometheus virals came out) and any attempt to reconcile the new idea with the original one is denial. All the size and organic detail arguments would be sound -- but we're talking movies. It's no different to Fincher finding the original cryotube design very nifty and going for that instead of the Aliens version, thus creating a gross continuity error between Aliens and Alien3. It's a deliberate artistic license.

The new Engineer idea remains a grossly shoehorned theme-capsizing bunch of doofus shit but unless it gets retconned further -- the Space Jockey IS a suited Engineer. There's no way around it

[reecebomb]

...if the official Prometheus Twitter is accurate.

Shouldn't surprise anyone really. It's been quite clear since the Prometheus trailer (and if you've been around the boards -- it was rumoured at least two years before the first Prometheus virals came out) and any attempt to reconcile the new idea with the original one is denial. All the size and organic detail arguments would be sound -- but we're talking movies. It's no different to Fincher finding the original cryotube design very nifty and going for that instead of the Aliens version, thus creating a gross continuity error between Aliens and Alien3. It's a deliberate artistic license.

The new Engineer idea remains a grossly shoehorned theme-capsizing bunch of doofus shit but unless it gets retconned further -- the Space Jockey IS a suited Engineer. There's no way around it

Yep, unfortunately it's the truth, for now.

[acidreign]

Yep.

I never thought making the space jockey into a suited humanoid was a great idea but I ended up liking the Engineers. That said I think the John Spaihts version of the screenplay for Prometheus did a much better job of setting up the concept than the final movie did.

[x-M-x]

THIS



needs to be in the 3rd movie? or 4th?


Grey/Slimy Skin giant 12ft dude.

[SpeedyMaxx]

I actually don't make a judgment on them not caring, to be honest. It's just a simple fact: They did not let the original dimensions or exacting detail of the 1979 jockey impede their artistic choices on the new films.

I don't disagree with that in principle, and I understand the practical logistics of making the true jockey/Engineer more humanoid and quantifiable to an audience. Do I think the final design is perfect? No. Am I mostly okay with it? Yes. I just don't always like how it was utilized. There should've been more to Big Blue's use in the film than being an angry pro wrestler.

[bobcunk]

in Prometheus the engineer was to small for the chair, he couldn't even reach the handles. I Ridley wanted the Spaceockey to be the same size as the engineer then i think he would have made the chair smaller or something so it actually fit.

[Stanley]

The space jockey made such an impression on me at my first viewing of Alien.   Wondered about it for a long time

But...look at things like the tech used.   Prometheus has up to date computer displays and touch action etc.

Alien has one step beyond Pong tech.    And those ,motion trackers in the 22nd century?   Hmm..

That's okay I think? 

[HABIT]

What part of 'biomechanical' do you deniers still not get? Their tech is obviously capable of fusing with their physiology. The Space Jockey looking as if it was growing out of the chair and the biomechanical suit, that is so clearly fused to the skin, worn by the Last Engineer points to that. Even the older scripts of Prometheus mention the flight suit fusing with the Last Engineer. Get over it.