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Author Topic: How would you change AVP-R?  (Read 2659 times)

SM
May 23, 2017, 09:35:58 AM
Reply #15 on: May 23, 2017, 09:35:58 AM
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Davis wanted them on Earth.  And using locations like Vancouver that already has a well established film industry would be cheaper that building a lot of sets.


The Cruentus
May 23, 2017, 10:00:13 AM
Reply #16 on: May 23, 2017, 10:00:13 AM
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Alien managed it just fine and that was a low budget film. I really don't get it, Fox gets tons of money yet are completely tight with it when comes to financing a movie. They could have done it in space very easily and if they wanted to save money so bad then simply eliminate unnecessary cgi like there was in the beginning where the entire environment was just greenscreen.

Also in practice, going for a cheaper path instead of quality or for reasons such doing what you pitched is really not the best thing to do (though I can understand caution)  Cameron does go over budget a lot but because he does do what he envisions, the quality of his movies are much better and the box office draws more than make up the budget used.

At the end of day, as bad as an earth setting can be, a competent crew could still have made a good movie out of it so who knows if it being in space would have been better, though considering what we got, I would like to think it would be.


SM
May 23, 2017, 11:40:22 AM
Reply #17 on: May 23, 2017, 11:40:22 AM
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Alien wasn't low budget.


The Cruentus
May 23, 2017, 11:59:24 AM
Reply #18 on: May 23, 2017, 11:59:24 AM
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It wasn't high budget.. Alien is or started as a B-movie. It just was so good that it ascended.
Either way, AVP-R had a much bigger budget 40 million, while Alien had 12 million.


SM
May 23, 2017, 12:17:07 PM
Reply #19 on: May 23, 2017, 12:17:07 PM
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Adjusted for nearly 30 years of inflation, that's only a few mill different.


The Cruentus
May 23, 2017, 12:31:25 PM
Reply #20 on: May 23, 2017, 12:31:25 PM
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Fair enough but then if its more even, they still could have done it in space. They could even have changed it so there is only one or two aliens to keep their budget in a space version. It would mean they would have to make the Alien more deadly to be a threat to Wolf. A one on one confrontation with a bit of a cat and mouse chase so to speak.


SM
May 23, 2017, 12:51:10 PM
Reply #21 on: May 23, 2017, 12:51:10 PM
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They could've done it space - if only they'd wanted to do it in space.


Laz
May 24, 2017, 06:22:51 PM
Reply #22 on: May 24, 2017, 06:22:51 PM
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1. Set it in the near future, 2040-2055ish. This gives enough leeway with the audience to establish the beginning of Weyland-Yutani and mankind's attempts at interstellar travel but doesn't put it so far ahead that slightly updated versions of (then) current technology become dated.

2. FLESH OUT THE CHARACTERS. The only elements existing character-wise that rush to my mind are the brothers' dynamic (Dallas watches out for Ricky, even if it means jail time) and the Sheriff's "by-the-books" approach. Amplify that. Don't have Dallas just go "hey Ricky, let's get your keys," show him actively trying to keep his brother out of trouble by taking the heat. Kelly's alienation from her husband and daughter got maybe one scene to develop, and the timing was perfect to have this amplified by possibly having PTSD. She saw combat during the Iraq/Afghanistan era and this new threat is the one time she feels "at home" back in her town.

3. Contrast the lighting more. It being pitch black was the right choice for certain scenes but not for the whole thing.

4. Maybe it's just me, but I think the scenes where the Predalien tears through the Yautja ship and the ensuing "call" to the Wolf should have been shown in glimpses during the opening credits rather than given full screen-time. Think how Alien 3 immediately set the tone by relaying the events between listing the cast and crew.

5. Don't show so much of the Predalien, leave most of it as a mystery. The hospital impregnation scene does this wonderfully, but the rest of its scenes come across as gaudy and schlocky.

6. One of the reasons that the action scenes in Aliens (and, I'd say, most of Cameron's work overall) stand out so well is because of variety and pacing. If you're going for a more action-focused approach, then figure 3-5 key moments and how to make each stand out as unique. If an audience is given gratification at no cost then the prize is worthless, and if all the action is the same then none of it truly stands out.

7. Don't change that ending (after the helicopter crashes) one bit. I LOVE how AVP:R ends, giving us hints at how Weyland-Yutani become a conglomerate and focus on developing interstellar travel. Anything that gives Robert Joy more work is alright by me, as well.

8. In Aliens, the USCMC explain that the Pulse Rifle and Smart Guns fire explosive-tipped ammunition, and we see during the ventilation shaft chase that Vasquez's .45 rounds do very little damage to a Warrior. It never sat well with me that standard NATO 5.56 rounds would do the same damage.

9. Remember what made the original work. It was a b-movie concept given a-level care. Stop, think about each decision being made, and then wonder if it sounds like a Charles Band feature.


Scorpio
May 25, 2017, 12:30:31 AM
Reply #23 on: May 25, 2017, 12:30:31 AM
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It's perfect.  Wouldn't change a thing.


Bishop2
May 25, 2017, 03:21:22 PM
Reply #24 on: May 25, 2017, 03:21:22 PM
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I'll start out by assuming that I have to keep the basic concept and setting - honestly, my first impulse would be "Trash the whole f**king mess and put it somewhere else" because aliens in modern, populated Earth is a bad idea and it's also deepl.y stupid to believe the Predators wouldn't check/find out that their dead comrade was impregnated.

But let's assume we're stuck in Colorado with these characters and this terrible setup... if that's the case, here we go:

1) More characterization for Kelly and Dallas. Let's see more of Dallas breaking rules to do the "right thing," and learn how that got him into jail. Let's see more of Kelly's isolation from home and her uncertainty. Maybe reference that Kelly was a helicopter pilot in the military FAR earlier as a way to set up the ending.

2) If Ricky must be in this thing even though he sucks, then at least remove Jesse. Give her death to Ricky, and turn it into a major emotional point for Dallas, who loses his brother after all his struggles to protect the idiot.

3) Also dump the bullies and just focus on Ricky as someone who's struggling to hold down a job and also doing some petty crime on the sides. He took the worst possible lessons from his brother, and now Dallas feels responsible for leading him into a criminal existence.

4) As long as we're dumping useless characters like Kelly and the bullies, we can increase the screen time for John Ortiz - an amazing actor who does so much with so little.

5) More lighting, more lighting, more LIGHTING.

6) In a perfect world, I'd like to call out the Predalien as a young Queen more clearly - that means showing her laying some eggs, for example, or maybe even growing a bit/shedding in one scene. Not sure how feasible that would be on the budget, but if we remove the throat-embryo implantation of the pregnant women and simply have eggs in an adjacent room before we see the women later burst in a traditional fashion... well, it sure seems like that would help.

7) Keep most of the extended stuff from the longer Blu-ray cut in the theatrical release.


Predator_Spirit
May 25, 2017, 09:05:12 PM
Reply #25 on: May 25, 2017, 09:05:12 PM
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The Strause made a pitch but it was strange, the first 45 minutes were human free.It  really focused on alien and predator.


Nostromo
May 26, 2017, 06:36:26 PM
Reply #26 on: May 26, 2017, 06:36:26 PM
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Take it into space or a really alien looking planet, similar to the one in AVP 2 the game, with a similar smart story and smart script/acting.



happypred
May 31, 2017, 05:08:32 AM
Reply #27 on: May 31, 2017, 05:08:32 AM
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45 minutes of AvP non-human stalking and action sounds great actually


XenoVC
May 31, 2017, 08:53:25 PM
Reply #28 on: May 31, 2017, 08:53:25 PM
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This too, is dealing with the nature of the setting in the present day and dealing with it as best you can because of John Davis' awful insistence. As long as the Predator was involved, it had no chance of being anywhere else.

 - Have Kelly in the National Guard and have her not return to Gunnison until they're called in, as she witnessed the Predator ship falling from the sky with fellow members on leisure time in the mountains/forest. We never directly meet her family.

-Have Dallas in Sheriff Morales' custody when the events kick off. He has violated the terms of his parole. You never really know what he did. He is being transported to a facility. While on the open road, they both witnesss the Predator ship falling which in turn causes Morales to crash the car and begin a day plus trek back using the Forest as a short cut. Tense as Morales has to watch Dallas the entire time.

- OWLF through the funding of Yutani get a major focus early on when the Guard is called in and they are essentially directing throughout the movie. They are questioned harshly by Kelly and other members as to how they are in control and why they need to follow the directives of this agency.  Mrs. Yutani had taken OWLF under their banner and guidance after witnessing the aftermath of what happened to Keyes' team in L.A. in 1997 after the U.S. Government were prepared to dissolve their program due to loss of all resources.

Rest of this self indulgent time waster is in the spoiler tags:

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Chronicle
Jun 08, 2017, 12:48:10 PM
Reply #29 on: Jun 08, 2017, 12:48:10 PM
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Brighten the film up a bit and maybe it might be a little better  :laugh:



 

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