People to this day (as some posts on this board show) wanted a "Dutch" sequel or story line at least for another movie or two. There is nothing "wrong" with that.
For as much as I wanted that too...I understand the reality of the situation now too much time has passed, the window is likely closed...to tell that story (unless you really wanted to dig deep and fill in the gaps, which Black and Fox don't seem to want to do...which is fine).
I wish everyone had this perspective. But the thread displays more of a "they don't care about what 'most fans' want" argument; a notion I find invalid.
Which is the "struggle" for the fans that wanted the "Dutch story"...the reality is we still want it. We love the Predator, the creature that he is...think he's awesome etc...the fans that want the Dutch-story, don't disregard the Predator...so the "struggle" is moving on...seeing this creature, this could have been story...this big missing peice in the franchise...never coming to be...and "us" having to jump on board with the direction this thing is now going.
Sounds like a dramatic "struggle" of not getting what one wants which becomes petulant by holding today's filmmaker accountable for what didn't happen in 1990.
Keep in mind Alien had worn out the Ripley story...so those fans are allowed to say "okay let's do whatever now". New Universe, new story, this that..."we're good on the Ripley stuff...we got that thing A-Z...we can move on and out..."
Dutch-Predator fans...never got to do that. And it's left a sour taste in our mouth to this day.
And there is nothing "wrong" with that.
Yeah there's nothing inherently wrong with being upset and struggling to face the reality of where the franchise is. I don't think that is the debate. I see something wrong with using baseless claims to say why the decisions being made today aren't proper, especially since fans don't all want Arnold in a central role.
You can have both.
It comes at a high cost in 2017, unfortunately. Arnold isn't the same in the eyes of audiences.
Because people like going on journeys with characters. Whether it's Ellen Ripley, Indiana Jones, Roland Deschain, the Fast and Furious gang, or Harry Potter, myself and others like investing in characters.
Agreed, that's why I'm looking forward to the new characters Shane is bringing to life.
According to you, Alien was about the character, Predator was about the creature. Look at where that got each franchise.
Though I disagree with you about Predator not being about characters, I don't think the success/failure of its franchise all came down to that one aspect. There's budgets, writing, directing, competition, star power, etc. Plus it's debatable whether following Ripleys journey was even a good thing at all. I found Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection to leave the franchise in a terrible state.
Tell me which one was more successful.
The one that introduced new characters, new storylines and new ideas?