Quote from: CainsSon on Mar 16, 2017, 05:13:42 AM
I dont understand why we're having this dialogue. I didn't write the material. Its no more a matter of opinion that the Alien is biomechanical than it is that I am biological or a car is mechanical. Its not my fault that this stuff isnt the way you thought it appeared to be. I dont understand why you read less into it. It appears the way it is meant to be understood. Why shouldn't it? Why should we look at a car and say, "It's only aesthetically a machine." This would be even stranger if it occurred in a film with no indication that it should be questioned. In this case the BIOMECHANICS are the draw. They are what makes the creature interesting in Alien.
Again, I didnt write it.
The Alien is biomechanical. The Art Director of the films and Ridley Scott himself have said this is where its going. They have deliberately taken the mechanical element out to make this creature different from the biomechanical BIG CHAP.
That's largely irrelevant to the theory about D8 somehow getting impregnated.
We don't need them to literally get gestated inside of a machine to gain a biomechanical aesthetic, any more than terrestrial arthropods do.
QuoteAcidic stomach acid to break down food is not the same thing as having molecular acid for blood that can burn through reinforced steel but not whatever you are using for skin. The Alien doesn't have an Exoskeleton apart from its dome on its head.
It's of a different magnitude, sure, but the principle is the same. Nature creates some wonderful and terrifying things and they're all organic. There are some ants and beetles which literally shoot acid at their enemies. Just because the Alien is different, structurally, doesn't mean it's impossible to be completely organic.
On the contrary, it would have to be. They typically gestate inside an organic host. It doesn't have a source to have gained metal
from (and certainly isn't showing any as a chestburster).
QuoteIt hides in machinery and blends in with it NOT BY changing its looks but because it was literally made by the designer to be made of the same materials.
It didn't
have the materials, unless you're suggesting Kane was secretly a robot who had
more metal inside him than Ash did?
QuoteAs for the rest, I think you are confusing what Im saying is subtext with what Im saying is text. The ship 'Mother's' the Alien SUBTEXTUALLY, not literally (although now it may end up being literal if the rumor was true about it communicating with the ship.).
I realise this, but at no point does Mother actively nurture or protect the Alien. It's nesting inside of where Mother is housed (Mother is not the same as the Nostromo, after all), sure, but at best, that makes for a parasitical analogy, not a parental one.
QuoteIm also saying the same thing you are about David and Weyland. He considers him a son,
In the same way a computer programmer would think of a successful project as 'my baby', sure.
Quoteand has modeled his looks off his DNA.
But they don't look alike. Nor is DNA necessary when you're creating a synthetic being's appearance.
QuoteThis is why Vickers and David appear to be related. I hope David has no part of Weyland in him.
I honestly don't see any resemblance, whatsoever, between Vickers and David 8. No relation, whatsoever, aside from being jealous of her biological father's favouritism. Fictional characters like Vickers, who have daddy issues (feeling someone/something else was taking their father's attention/approval away), are ten a penny.
QuoteI would also argue that the sequels after alien systematically show the creature losing its biomechanical traits.
That's more down to '
Alien Resurrection' deliberately featuring hybrids, not true Aliens. In '
Alien 3', the puppet is a lot more authentic to Giger's usual biomechanical aesthetics than the suit was.
There's no technical reason for the A3 creature to have appeared less biomechanical than its brethren on LV-426. It's meant to have come from the same Queen.
Quote from: 7Xenos on Mar 16, 2017, 07:40:52 AM
David calling OMW "father" might add a new element to the was Vickers human or a synth debate. I like the Blade Runner inspired theory that she is a synth, but doesn't know it ,which is why she feels the need to wear a space suit in order to breath on LV-223.
Possible, but I don't see the point of making an android believe it's human.
Especially when, if it felt it needed to see a medical specialist for some reason (even just for check-ups), the illusion instantly gets shattered.