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Author Topic: A way to make Blomkamp's Alien work without retcon...  (Read 14390 times)

Ingwar
Jan 08, 2017, 12:54:24 PM
Reply #330 on: Jan 08, 2017, 12:54:24 PM
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A3 happened. A:R happened. Because we don't like something (for me A3 is a great movie) doesn't mean you should ignore it. They're part of canon wherever we like it or not. The End.


The Cruentus
Jan 08, 2017, 02:25:11 PM
Reply #331 on: Jan 08, 2017, 02:25:11 PM
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Well said Ingnar, Though I am half on board for a Retcon because of Resurrection, not Alien 3. I actually enjoy both films for what they are. Alien 3 for its realistic approach which is that of an indifferent universe where there is no plot armor, and I enjoyed resurrection as a Parody of Alien but official its a part of main continuity and that comedic and non-realistic tone is a bit of a stain on the franchise that was known for being realistc and authentic.

 So just to restore the original tone and get rid of superheroes like Ripley 8, I am 50/50 on a retcon but 100 percent behind a new Alien film with new characters.


The Eighth Passenger
Jan 08, 2017, 05:10:18 PM
Reply #332 on: Jan 08, 2017, 05:10:18 PM
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A3 happened. A:R happened. Because we don't like something (for me A3 is a great movie) doesn't mean you should ignore it. They're part of canon wherever we like it or not. The End.

They're just movies, it never happened for real. It's Fox's IP, they decide what is canon and what is not whether you like it or not.

They'll do whatever brings in the most profit. The End.


The Cruentus
Jan 08, 2017, 05:21:21 PM
Reply #333 on: Jan 08, 2017, 05:21:21 PM
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Unfortunately that is so true, their meddling played a part in crippling the franchise in the first place.


BishopShouldGo
Jan 08, 2017, 05:23:23 PM
Reply #334 on: Jan 08, 2017, 05:23:23 PM
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Yup, their meddling in alien 3 ensured the franchise wouldn't recover until 25 years later. After resurrection, there wouldn't be another traditional Alien film until 20 years later.

Alien 3 was the ultimate log-jam.


The Cruentus
Jan 08, 2017, 05:33:38 PM
Reply #335 on: Jan 08, 2017, 05:33:38 PM
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Arguable, their meddling was bad on alien 3 and it did ruin the film from what it could have been but resurrection was on Fox too, and we all know the result of the AVPs and prometheus.



Ingwar
Jan 08, 2017, 06:22:42 PM
Reply #337 on: Jan 08, 2017, 06:22:42 PM
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A3 happened. A:R happened. Because we don't like something (for me A3 is a great movie) doesn't mean you should ignore it. They're part of canon wherever we like it or not. The End.

They're just movies, it never happened for real. It's Fox's IP, they decide what is canon and what is not whether you like it or not.

They'll do whatever brings in the most profit. The End.

Fox will decide that A3 (especially A3) and A:R aren't part of canon? I doubt that.


BishopShouldGo
Jan 08, 2017, 06:32:17 PM
Reply #338 on: Jan 08, 2017, 06:32:17 PM
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Gosh you guys. The filmmakers have clearly said this is an ALTERNATE timeline. Not a timeline that would retcon the other movies. ALTERNATE



SM
Jan 08, 2017, 08:17:52 PM
Reply #340 on: Jan 08, 2017, 08:17:52 PM
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A3 happened. A:R happened. Because we don't like something (for me A3 is a great movie) doesn't mean you should ignore it. They're part of canon wherever we like it or not. The End.

They're just movies, it never happened for real. It's Fox's IP, they decide what is canon and what is not whether you like it or not.

They'll do whatever brings in the most profit. The End.

Fox will decide that A3 (especially A3) and A:R aren't part of canon? I doubt that.

If Blomkamp's film goes ahead, there's a good chance they'll be an alternative timeline at the very least.


D. Compton Ambrose
Feb 01, 2017, 03:08:54 AM
Reply #341 on: Feb 01, 2017, 03:08:54 AM
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I think that regardless of what direction they go, it should not be a major part of the film. Go ahead with Hicks as the male lead, have a female lead that could possibly be Newt. The main focus of the film should be the plot, the story, the tale of survival against a nigh-indestructible force of nature that is dead-set on wiping out the crew. Surviving on an alien world. Discovering the deepest, darkest secrets of the universe and what a cruel mistress mother nature truly is. That we are not alone in the universe, and this very simple discovery boasts forth the single most destructive and terrifying events humanity has ever experienced.

If Ripley must come back for one more Alien, let it be as a plot point specifically to explain the presence of Hicks (or not, I mean, we've got Colonial Marines if all else fails), or to recount the horrors she faced at the mercy of experiments for Weyland-Yutani's bio-weapons division (thereby explaining Alien 3 and Resurrection). Nothing more. A few lines of dialogue towards the end. Nothing more. I also liked the idea one member pointed out earlier about the Sulaco being re-routed to Fiorina-161 by the Company as part of said (theoretical) experiment (Local Trouble or SM I think it was).

Above all, it must not only fit with Ridley's prequel series, it must also build upon it. It needs to be a definitive climax for the entire franchise, and while it does not have to explain everything, it must reinforce all preexisting installments by bringing its own contribution into it. It can truly be a renown work of art, much in the way Alien is in the Congressional Library of Arts. It doesn't have to suck. Period.


Edit:

I have an old theory that the company intentionally diverted the Sulaco to Fury 161 to isolate Ripley and the alien on a planet exclusively under their control and presumably outside the jurisdiction of Colonial Administration.

By that rationale, it's possible that the company was able to intercept the Sulaco and contain the survivors to prevent them from blowing the whistle about what really happened on LV-426.

« Last Edit: Feb 01, 2017, 03:25:20 AM by LCpl. D. Grant »


SM
Feb 01, 2017, 08:54:51 PM
Reply #343 on: Feb 01, 2017, 08:54:51 PM
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Not me.


irn
Feb 11, 2017, 07:18:53 PM
Reply #344 on: Feb 11, 2017, 07:18:53 PM
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As much as I dislike Resurrection and don't mind it being non-canon, it is set so far into the future that it wouldn't really be affected.


 

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